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Mike Mussina moved closer to 20 wins as the Yankees beat the Rays last night.
Joba Chamberlain returned to the mound last night – and could be returning to the bullpen to start next season. This notebook also has updates on Sidney Ponson, Johnny Damon, Brian Cashman, Dan Giese and Phil Coke.
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Meanwhile, a New Jersey man was cited for impersonating Joba. What’s even dumber is how many people apparently fell for it.
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That is SO funny about Joba being impersonated. I also heard from a friend that he had stopped by a Shop Rite in West Long Branch, shopped for a while, bought lottery tickets and signed, then handed them out to people in the store. Things people will do….
I love Moron Joe’s comment on why they keep Ponson in the rotation, because youth doesn’t have the experience. Every day, this idiot confirms that he should be fired. Ponson completely stinks,… ” Sidney Ponson has lasted only 9 2/3 innings over his last three starts, giving up 17 earned runs on 24 hits. He is 3-4 with a 6.22 ERA in 12 starts for the Yankees. “….So you put THAT MLB experience, ESPECIALLY his 15.81 ERA over his last 3 starts and you want THAT SLOB pitching ? HEY DUMB@$$ !!! Aceves and Hughes BOTH NEED MLB EXPERIENCE and it is VERY LIKELY that they can perform at a better level than a 15.81 or even a 6.22 ERA,,,,SO GIVE THEM THE EXPERIENCE that YOU say is keeping them from the rotation, you DAFT DOLT !…I swear, this clown can’t get the boot out the door soon enough.
Pete is talking BS. Starting Joba in the bullpen for 2 months? They haven’t decided that yet. I wouldn’t like to see him make the same transition as he did this year. He has to pitch each 5 days, as a starter. Converting him into a reliever, wouldn’t eventually become permanent, and that’s gonna suck.
The Yanks may be a bit paranoid when it comes to the health of their pitchers, but considering whats happened throughout the system this year who can blame ‘em.
A regular starter is expected to offer up a minimum of 32 starts and 192 innings (6/start). That would be a huge jump for the most valuable arm in the organization. Maybe the best thing for Joba in ‘09 would be a full year in the pen with 70 or so appearances totalling 100-125 innings and go from there. I’d rather see him as a starter, but having him HEALTHY is much more important.
If that happens, how about a bullpen of Mo, Joba, Marte, Veras, Melancon, Coke would be sensational. That would, potentially turn Rasner, Giese, Edwar, Robertson, Bruney, Britton, Cox, Albaladejo and others into trade chips or AAA relievers. Nice starting point for the ‘09 team.
Bitter sweet to watch the Yanks play with some fire when the odds are all but insurmountable.
Saw this on the sporting news, their perspective of the Death of the Yankees season:
http://www.sportingnews.com/bl.....08_yankees
So many haters out there
@86w183
[The Yanks may be a bit paranoid when it comes to the health of their pitchers, but considering whats happened throughout the system this year who can blame ‘em.
A regular starter is expected to offer up a minimum of 32 starts and 192 innings (6/start). That would be a huge jump for the most valuable arm in the organization. Maybe the best thing for Joba in ‘09 would be a full year in the pen with 70 or so appearances totalling 100-125 innings and go from there. I’d rather see him as a starter, but having him HEALTHY is much more important.]
There’s no way he’s going to pitch 100 innings on the bullpen. HE’S NOT SCOTT PROCTOR
Good article as far as i’m concerned. I wouldn’t consider it Yankee bashing. I echos alot of what many people have posted on this blog about the underperforming hitting and patchwork pitching. It’s a fair article. If you want to see Yankee hating at it’s worst check out Lupica at the News. There is a guy who can get Yankee fans blood boiling.
Why put Joba through that again? You can screw up a pitcher moving him back and forth like that as well. Did you ever think of that Cashman? In my best Jerome from Manhattan voice: YOU HAVE TO MAKE JOBA A STARTER AND THAT IS IT!!!!!! Click.
That is too funny about that guy impersonating Joba… and I love how the police have put out an APB on the guy, because “he took the bagels and didn’t pay”. LOL. Who gives a crap. I think its funny as hell.
Aren’t there any real criminals to go after in Belmar?
“He took the bagels and didn’t pay.” (from the impersonating Joba article)
Umm….Regardless of the false pretenses, you GAVE the man the food. I’m no lawyer, but even the real Joba Chamberlain should expect to pay for his food wherever he goes. It’s your fault to be dumb enough to believe an impersonator, as Pete said. Pete, next time you’re in Jersey you should dress up like Elvis, maybe these idiots will get fooled again!
I partly understand going through the transition again (maybe this time the rotation will be good enough where he can be sent down for it), but I don’t understand why the Yanks don’t just send him to Winter ball to get more innings this year. Is it because they want to shut him down in the off-season? Do they want all his innings to be pitched for the big club? I understand Joba is young and he’s the special type of pitcher that you take extra care of, every pitcher is not Mark Prior. The Yanks haven’t come even close to abusing this guy. As a trainer, I’m into this sort of thing and am on board to an extent, but at what point are they overly babying these pitchers? I know Nolan Ryan would punch Cashman right in the face if he was running things. That notwithstanding, I feel like if Joba continues his strengthening and conditioning in the off-season and is able to build up his throwing strength from February to the end of Spring Training, I don’t think anyone should be crucified for expecting him to go 160-180 innings. He can do that as the fifth starter. They’re so cautious about his health anyway, and he’s honest enough where he’s not going to exascerbate things if he’s not feeling right.
I’m not necessarily of the belief that being a reliever saves your arm. I know you throw less innings and theoretically have less workload. But there’s different conditioning involved, which makes me believe being a reliever is not easier, just different. As a reliever, it’s usually max effort right out of the pen, and you could be called to pitch multiple days, certainly not a 4 or 5 day rest period. The routine is different and the recovery is different. I’m just not necessarily subscribed to this whole idea, but teams follow it because there’s a precedent. But what if, God forbid, Joba gets injured as a reliever or in transition, then the whole system has to get revamped once again, doesn’t it? Why does 40 innings have to be the magic number in terms of increase? Why not 50, or 20? Again, I understand the idea of these guidelines partially, especially with the politics involved, but I don’t completely agree with it.
LOL thats next to me
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Wallace Matthews from Newsday is another of those blowhard ignoramuses, pure Yankee hater, who writes negative articles about the Yanks just for attention. Today, he wrote about how the Yanks need to go back to just spending into oblivion. Pretty convenient column to write today, isn’t it? He brought up not pulling off the Santana trade, which many have brought up at this point, but at the time a lot of people (myself included) were against including Hughes in any deal. Wallace, the Yanks will spend this off-season, but it’s different to spend on big-time FA rather than deplete the farm system (and in the case of Santana, award the big money as well!) as a cost. The Yanks are on the verge of not making the playoffs for the first time in 13 years. That’s pretty damn good, considering Boston missed the playoffs 2 years after winning in 2004 (and then bouncing back to win in 2007). Even now, this team is still on the fringe of making it if one of these teams decides to pull a NY Mets impersonation (you remember that, don’t you Wallace?). If Matthews had half a brain, he would say the key for the Yanks in 2009 is for Wang not to get hurt, which of course, if the Yanks took Matthews’ advice, Wang would not be here anyway, since he would have been traded years ago…By the way, Wallace, if I were a Mets fan, I’d be very worried again this September. The Phillies are even closer now than they were this time last year!
I just hope the Yankees spend wisely this off-season. I think they should pursue Adam Dunn for the OF. They have no firstbasemen ready to come up in the system, so they’ll probably make a run at Tex. As for pitching, there aren’t many top SP out there of course you have Sabathia, and Sheets. There’s Burnett, but he only pitches well against the Yankees. If they want to bolster the back end of the rotation there’s Randy Wolf. He’s a lefty, and would come relatively cheap.
Start Joba in the rotation next season. Suppose he spends some time on the DL again next season? It actually seems uncommon for a pitcher to stay 100% the entire season these days, and we can’t chance another season of Joba not getting his innings. If he stays healthy and approaches his cap, then someone like Hughes could be brought up to take some starts allowing Joba’s starts to be spaced out more.
I just hope the Yankees spend wisely this off-season. I think they should pursue Adam Dunn for the OF
OK this isn’t wisely.
i thought everyone knew Joba gets his bagels from Dunkin Donuts?
“clueless joe” seems like that title would have been more fitting for girardi, he’s suddenly more afraid to start a rookie than David wells red headed step son….I’m a huge fan of mattingly but thought giardi was a good choice…..wow should have went with my gut….girardi is not smart.
@ Brandon
Why not Dunn in Left? The guy averages 40 HR/100 RBI a year. Plus he bats left. Next year the team will be down Giambi & Abreu, and we’ll need someone to hit behind Arod.
Correction, Dunn can play 1B. I know he strikes out alot, but he walks alot too. Plus he might come cheaper than Tex.