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Expansion of rosters doesn’t make sense

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 04, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Once upon a time (2002-05), I covered the New York Mets and spent a decent amount of time around Bobby Valentine.

Bobby V is an interesting guy who has a lot of unique theories about baseball. One of them regarded expanding the rosters in September.

His point was this: Teams play all season with 25 men. Then the most important games of the season come along and you can add 15 players? How does that make sense?

Some players are legit prospects; others are journeymen scrubs. But having expanded rosters changes how games are played. You can pull a starter quicker, pinch hit or pinch run more often, etc. The integrity of the game is lost, at least a little.

Bobby’s idea was that the rosters should be expanded in April, when teams really need the extra bodies. This would give clubs a chance to see what they have. Then come May 1, cut down to 25 for the rest of the season.

I thought it was crazy at first. But when you think about it, it makes sense.

OK, off to the Trop. Check back later for the lineups. Yankees go for the sweep tonight with Darrell Rasner against Scott Kazmir. Boston is off today; the Twins are at the Jays.

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90 Responses to “Expansion of rosters doesn’t make sense”

  1. Laura September 4th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Count me in among those against expanding the roster.

  2. COL 88 September 4th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Anyone actually watching this game over the Giants?

  3. Melissa September 4th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Very interesting idea from Bobby V. In my opinion, it would give the start of the season in April the feel of spring training – being able to have more guys – and I don’t know if that’s better either.

  4. mel September 4th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    I don’t mind limited expansion. Let’s say 3-5 players. Then you have to actually put some thought into it.

    Playoff teams can rest some guys, but still field a good team. And non-playoff teams can evaluate the guys who are most likely to make an impact in the near future.

    It’ll also discourage teams for rolling over for Yankee rivals. :)

    Is it sad that we don’t have any farmhands to bring up? I’ll just tell myself it’s because they’re all in the playoffs. Which they are! Go Thunder! Go Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees!

  5. mel September 4th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    I don’t know about the early expansion. That’s what Spring training is for. And AAA plays a season almost as long as the majors, right?

  6. Bronx Jeers September 4th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    It’s a valid point but the September games are important only if you’re in contention.

  7. saucY - automate the strike zones! September 4th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    this may be a dumb question, and i think the answer is ‘yes’, but if a rainout from june is made-up in september, can they use the expanded roster players?

  8. JohnnMcCabe September 4th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Looks like 8 games back (loss column) by the end of the day from Boston.

  9. trisha - I support Sidney Ponson and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 4th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    I believe in expanding the roster in September. By then you know how many walking wounded you have and what your needs are. If your early calls are bad calls, you are stuck with the same 25.

  10. TKinDC September 4th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    “this may be a dumb question, and i think the answer is ‘yes’, but if a rainout from june is made-up in september, can they use the expanded roster players?”

    You’re right.

    About the rosters ;)

  11. mel September 4th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    saucY,

    Good luck. I’m still waiting for the answer to my tiebreaker question.

    What’s the tiebreaker if two teams in the same division have the same record and also tie in the season series?

  12. G. Love September 4th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    I agree with Bobby V completely Pete. The integrity of pennant race does get compromised by this.

    I think the rule should be that the manager/GM has to submit the 25 man roster before each game in September and you are bound to those 25 guys each night.

    There should be healthy scratches if the league wants to keep Sept. callups part of the game.

    I’m sure it would be contested since you can scratch the previous night’s starting pitching and free up his spot for another starter/reliever, but limiting the teams to the 25 guys they submit would at least have some more semblance of integrity than the current system.

  13. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) September 4th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    “What’s the tiebreaker if two teams in the same division have the same record and also tie in the season series?”

    I believe its a one game playoff between the two teams. Like Colorado and the Padres did last year.

  14. dadofjft September 4th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    One variation on that that I’ve heard is to allow teams to expand their rosters in September, but allow only 25 players to be active for each game. That way you’d have 3 or 4 openings since you probably wouldn’t have the starters from the past 2 or 3 games active, nor the next game’s starter, but it wouldn’t drastically alter how you can play the game. Not sure I’m sold on that, but it seems worth considering.

  15. Aardvark September 4th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Once again, somebody wants to fix something that isn’t broken. Nothing wrong with September callups, nothing wrong with umpires occasionally blowing calls. And the designated hitter still stinks.

  16. TKinDC September 4th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    “What’s the tiebreaker if two teams in the same division have the same record and also tie in the season series?”

    This happened with the Yankees/Sawx last year right – even if we ended up the season tied and the season series tied we won the tiebreaker which IIRC was AL East record.

    I am exactly 51% confident I am right about that.

  17. mel September 4th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Fernando,

    Thanks.

    Speaking of the Pads, they’re the worst team in baseball @ .381.

    o/t but the Angels pounded Rogers. Ugly line that’s not official yet.

  18. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 4th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    COL 88 September 4th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Anyone actually watching this game over the Giants?

    I’m a Jets fan, so it’s not much of a decision to make.

  19. dadofjft September 4th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    No, G. Love is not who I heard it from, but must be a faster typist than I am.

  20. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops(My Latest Blog Entry: My Interview With Chad Jennings) September 4th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    I agree with Bobby Valentine.

    If rosters are going to be expanded on 9/1, than I suggest just adding 2 players, not 15.

  21. TKinDC September 4th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    ^^^ this assumes that the 2nd place team is the wildcard winner. If it decides ‘in or out’ of the playoffs Fernando is right.

  22. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops(My Latest Blog Entry: My Interview With Chad Jennings) September 4th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Rebecca,

    I think good things might happen for the green and white this year.

  23. trisha - I support Sidney Ponson and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 4th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    About the integrity of the game?

    :lol:

  24. YANKSFANMC September 4th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    TB is gonna crash and burn.

    25 games left. Only 8 remaining home games.

    Percival looked terrible last night/Starters are becoming fatigued and the pressure is mounting.

    It will only get tougher once the Yanks leave after tonight. They have Halliday on Friday and when they go to Fenway M-F they get Lester, Matsuzaka and Beckett.

    Out of the next 7 I predict that they will lose 5 of them.

    Yanks are going to win tonight and then sweep Seattle.

  25. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) September 4th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    “Speaking of the Pads, they’re the worst team in baseball @ .381.”

    Doesn’t surprise me. That whole division is pretty weak.

  26. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) September 4th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    “This happened with the Yankees/Sawx last year right – even if we ended up the season tied and the season series tied we won the tiebreaker which IIRC was AL East record.

    I am exactly 51% confident I am right about that.”

    No, last season the Red Sox had a better record than us. You might be thinking about 2005, but we had won the season series against them that year.

  27. 86w183 September 4th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    To be completely accurate IF the teams are tied for the division AND both are playoff bound there is no playoff and the winner of the season series is the division winner and the other team is the wild card.

    IF two teams tie for a division title but will NOT both go to the playoffs, they have a one game playoff for the division title REGARDLESS of the regular season series. The loser’s season is over.

    IF two teams tie for the division title AND they have the SAME record as the best second place team, the two teams play one game for the division title and the loser of that game then plays the other second place team one time for the wildcard.

    Head to head records only matter in the first scenario.

  28. mel September 4th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    So, if Tampa won the division and we were tied up with Boston for the wild card we don’t even look at the season series? Straight to a playoff game. We need Jeter to help us figure this one out. He knows all the permutations.

  29. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) September 4th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Thank you. That makes sense.

  30. GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Rosters are expanded for a couple of reasons. It gives teams a chance to make sme sort of player evaluations on the call-ups and it also gets used to reward one or two career minor leaguers for having good seasons and never got a shot at the majors, especially if there is a reason to believe that older player might be interested in coaching somewhere down the line. One other big thing that gets overlooked…every player that has at least one day of major league time gets free medical for the rest of his life. That’s no small deal for career minor leaguers.

    A little major league time is more helpful in communicating with the types of players coming up….especially those that might think they have all of the answers. There are very few successful managers anymore that don’t have at least a little major league time.

  31. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) September 4th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    “So, if Tampa won the division and we were tied up with Boston for the wild card we don’t even look at the season series? Straight to a playoff game. We need Jeter to help us figure this one out. He knows all the permutations.”

    Ha! He did in ’05. He figured out if the Yankees won the second to last game of the season which happened to be in Boston, then the Yankees would clinch, but if they lost, they could only tie in the last game and force a playoff game. He had to explain it to his teammates.

  32. TKinDC September 4th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    “No, last season the Red Sox had a better record than us. You might be thinking about 2005, but we had won the season series against them that year.”

    Apparently I have a really old man’s brain trapped in a young man’s body :(

  33. pat September 4th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Isn’t it a one game playoff if both teams aren’t going to make the postseason but if both are in it’s head to head and then division minus interleague?

  34. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) September 4th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    “Apparently I have a really old man’s brain trapped in a young man’s body”

    It could be the drinking.

    I’m kidding of course.

  35. blazini September 4th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “What’s the tiebreaker if two teams in the same division have the same record and also tie in the season series?”

    It depends if the team that would lose the tie-breaker would still be in the playoffs as the wild card.

    1) If so, then the next tie-breaker is winning percentage in intradivision games.

    After that, winning percentage in intraleague games played in the second half of the season. If they are still tied after that, it goes back one game at a time since the halfway point (not counting games played between the two teams in question), until there is a winner.

    2) If, however, the team that would lose the tie-breaker would NOT be in the playoffs as the wild card, then a one game playoff is played between the teams, with the site of the game being determined by a coin toss.

    I got that from baseball-reference.com

  36. trisha - I support Sidney Ponson and also believe Arod will start to hit. September 4th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Mel – you always go back to the number of world series wins and the team with more gets to go to the postseason!

    :)

  37. mel September 4th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Thanks, guys.

    Not that it matters. :)

  38. SJ44 September 4th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    What’s happened with roster expansion these days are the small market teams are loathe to call up too many of their real prospects because they don’t want to start their ML service time clocks.

    The larger market teams, who aren’t worried about such things, have a competitive advantage.

    At one time, the roster expansion made sense. Nowadays, especially with the wild card in play, there are competitive disadvantages for some teams.

    For an example, if one team has an inordinate amount of remaining games against a small market team that doesn’t call up too many guys, that’s unfair.

    I heard about Bobby V’s idea several years ago and didn’t think much of it. These days, with the way some small market teams go about their business, I think his idea is a good one.

    This way, by September 1, everybody plays with an even slate.

  39. mel September 4th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    For someone who can’t hit tough lefties, Abreu has the best season and historical numbers on the team against Kazmir.

  40. Gary September 4th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    All things being equal, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to start the season off with 28 players and reduce the September expansion roster limits to 35 players rather than 40.
    The extra 3 players in April would be comprised of 3 players that had outstanding exhibition game showings but managers needing to see more under real schedule conditions as long as they’re not counted as regular options or toward a Rule 5 situation.

  41. keyswahili September 4th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    More proof that Crashman is a DOLT!!! Idiot wants to start Chamberlain in the pen next season rather than the startinghim in the rotation. THe way things are going Chamberlain will never develop into a starter as long as Crashman is GM. Stop “Babying” this guy!!! THe only way for him to develop is to take any limits off of him. Get it through your fat head Crashman, you’re not doing him any favors!!

  42. Whitey Fraud September 4th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    It does make sense but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  43. Dave D September 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Anyone listening to Russo’s preview show?

    Five minutes in, he has already blown away anything Francessa has done with his solo show so far. Francessa will not last.

  44. 86w183 September 4th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    I would like to see the following changes and would like some feedback from you guys:

    1. 28 man roster for the entire season. Basically lets every team carry an extra reliever, third catcher and maybe a defensive replacement/running specialist

    2. A hard trading deadline of August 10th or thereabouts. After that all teams must go the rest of the way with the 40-man roster. No waiver deals. It locks down the roster for the final third of the season which actually would be good for small market teams. All other sports have earlier deadlines than baseball and none have this waiver silliness

    3. A fifth playoff team in each league. The division winners get a bye while the two wildcards play best of three M-W. WC winner plays best team (regardless of division) and gets only one home game. Adds motivation to earn additional playoff berth, adds a reward for winning the division/ having best record and still has baseball as the most exclusive post-season of all pro sports.

    4. Limit of five players for September call ups.

    Whaddya think?

    SJ 44—- I could be wrong, but I don’t think September callups get MLB service time credit unless they have been in the majors before.

  45. Kevin September 4th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Actually, it does make sense. At the beginning of the season everyone is healthy and fully rested and ready to go. 25 man rosters are fine. Near the end of the season, injuries have mounted and some players are physically and mentally beat. Expanding the rosters probably helps playoff teams the most, resting their players SOMEWHAT (obviously they still have to battle to make the playoffs) and therefore when playoff time rolls around, players will have caught a second wind so to speak and there can be top level competition.

    as for the Cashman comments, this guy is clueless if he wants Joba in the bullpen in 2009. this is ridiculous, the kid just hit “the wall” as they say this season, hell he could probably even start again now. obviously they should keep him in the pen the rest of 2008, but 2009 he needs to be in the rotation. he’s ready. seriously, quit babying this kid. he’s all grown up, he’s a starting pitcher, next year they need to just let him do his thing.

  46. #9 September 4th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    “Bobby’s idea was that the rosters should be expanded in April”

    It would also make the players more competetive at beginning of season… maybe if Cano had to look over his shoulder – he would not have gotten off to bad start.

  47. Laura September 4th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    “Anyone listening to Russo’s preview show?”

    Isn’t he on pay Radio? I’m not paying money for something that should be free.

  48. Laura September 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    “3. A fifth playoff team in each league. The division winners get a bye while the two wildcards play best of three M-W. WC winner plays best team (regardless of division) and gets only one home game. Adds motivation to earn additional playoff berth, adds a reward for winning the division/ having best record and still has baseball as the most exclusive post-season of all pro sports.”

    No deal. Won’t this make the season longer? It’s too long as it is. One WildCard team is enough IMO.

  49. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 4th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    One of the things that makes baseball so dramatic is the limited amount of teams that make the playoffs compared to number of teams in the league.

    Unlike the NBA or NHL where you have 16/30 teams playing in the postseason, in MLB it’s only 8/30.

  50. saucY - automate the strike zones! September 4th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    1. 28 man roster for the entire season. Basically lets every team carry an extra reliever, third catcher and maybe a defensive replacement/running specialist

    good idea, but i think most teams would nix the 3rd catcher for another pen arm. possibly 3 extra pen arms…

    don’t know if i agree with #2. it would change the whole way a 40 man roster would be managed. and would they automatically be brought up to the MLB team? consider a barage of injuries occuring after the deadline. this would essentially force teams to use a non-ready prospect over a journeyman/vet, doing a disservice to both the prospect and vet….

    #3? i’m probably like a lot of people that think 4 teams per league is too much for baseball. the small # of teams that make it to baseball’s post-season is one of the good things that seperates baseball from other big sports…

    #4 – i could definately agree with that one.

  51. #9 September 4th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    “Anyone listening to Russo’s preview show?”

    Let me guess – he gloated about the end of the Yankees playoff chances… spent a good 58 mins on tennis… listed the past 12 Springsteen setlists… and then went back to bashing Yanks…

  52. gayle September 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    I think you are correct that MLB service time does not count for September callups unless they have been on the roster before

  53. GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    mel
    September 4th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
    For someone who can’t hit tough lefties, Abreu has the best season and historical numbers on the team against Kazmir.

    _________________________________________________________

    The Yanks don’t usually hit him very well, but he has a career 3-4 record and 2.76 ERA and a 1-1 record and a 1.67 ERA and .231 BA. Boston hasn’t done any better than NYY, regardles of what the Boston “fan” said earlier. They beat him in one start this year with an ERA of 7.00, but, lifetime, Kazmir is 6-6 and ERA of 3.02 and BA of .230. Contrary to his belief, Boston doesn’t own Kamir.

    Somebody also mentioned his “struggles, lately. In the last 4 starts, he hasn’t gotten past the 6th inning and then only twice. He still has only given up 2,2,3, and 0 runs in those four games.

  54. saucY - automate the strike zones! September 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    one thing i don’t like about expanded rosters is that injured players don’t automatically go on the DL since replacements are there already. and this leads to confusing while running my fantasy baseball team.

    so who should I replace Kevin Gregg with, Troy Percival or Fernando Rodney?

  55. TKinDC September 4th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    “Let me guess – he gloated about the end of the Yankees playoff chances… spent a good 58 mins on tennis… listed the past 12 Springsteen setlists… and then went back to bashing Yanks…”

    You forgot the 15 devotional to St. Timmy Lincecum – patron saint of blown save victims.

  56. TKinDC September 4th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    *15 minute*

  57. SJ44 September 4th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    I’m not for an extra playoff team. I don’t want to turn MLB into the NHL.

    The regular season has to count for something. I’d keep the post-season as it is. Each time you add another team to the post-season from hereon out, you chip away at the integrity of the regular seaosn.

    28 players is too many, IMO. I could see going to 26. 28? Too many.

    I’m all for eliminating the waiver wire. At this point its a joke. There are so many behind the scenes games going on with it, the process becomes comical.

    A bigger joke, and the reason why the Red Sox were able to do the Manny deal, is the lack of enforcement of the trade dealine time. I believe if its supposed to end at 5 pm, its 5 pm. Not 5:01, 5:11, 6, etc.

    A deal should have to be concluded and into the Commissioners Office by 5 pm. If not, no deal.

    I was aware of the service time issue for Sept. I wasn’t clear what my point was. In several cases the past few years, small market teams refused to call up guys who were previously on the roster because they didn’t want their service clock to run.

    The Marlins and Rays (before this year) were famous for this tactic. At some point, MLB has to stop bending over to the small market teams and force them to actually RUN their franchises to the best of their abilities. Not just feed off the work and revenues of the large market teams.

  58. 86w183 September 4th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Laura— If you lock in the opponent for the WC winner the other series could start on Tues or Wed and the WC winner would play the team with the best record beginning Thursday so it doesn’t have to extend the season at all.

    SaucY— I don’t tink it changes anything with the 40-man, but that’s where reinforcements would have to come from down the stretch. That’s 15 guys to choose form and should be plenty. I just hate phoniness and the current trade deadline/waiver set up is phony.

    I wouldn’t argue strongly for the additional WC, but it is a good way to reward division winners. The real plus to be is that it makes the WC road to the WS even tougher. If you do it you still only have 10 of 30 teams advance. Thanx for the feedback

  59. gayle September 4th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Saucy how about my conundrum. I had Joba and Billy Wagner they went on the DL and had to replace him with Troy Percival and Randy JOhnson, then Percival he went on the DL and had to replace him with Kevin Gregg he then is out and had to replace him with Joba.

    Also didnt help that Kinsler and Longoria had to be replaced by Hardy and Iawmura and it seems Zambrano is not too far behind and Brandon Webb something is going on.

    brian McCan was out with a concussion and I had to pick up Pudge (note Pete’s eearlier post who has kidnapped the real Pudge)

    Injuries around the league have killed me this year although I cant complain I am still in 2nd place in my division with a 12-10 record

  60. bigjf September 4th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    I don’t have a problem with the roster expansion, since the minor league season ends. If an organization is filled with prospects ready to contribute at the big league level, kudos. If a team is in position to rest its regulars and put in a flux replacement level players, they earned it. A team like the Yanks still has to put their main guys in there. Taking a chance on a guy like Coke is a risk they take because they don’t have much better.

  61. saucY - automate the strike zones! September 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    86w183, i think that change would affect the way 40 man rosters are managed. for one, i think you would see a lot less major league contracts given to draft picks. there’s also the guys put onto the 40 man roster simply to protect them from the Rule V draft. in both cases you have guys who may not be ready for MLB, but if injuries came up, they’d have no choice…

  62. saucY - automate the strike zones! September 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    gayle – i feel your pain. i already dropped the big Z this week.

    speaking of pudge, someone liked my caption yesterday

  63. Fredo Corleone September 4th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    “A fifth playoff team in each league.”

    Ugh. Lot of people still have itchy teeth over the one Wild Card. I like it the way it is.

  64. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 4th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    saucy: congratulations!

  65. Fredo Corleone September 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    “I wouldn’t argue strongly for the additional WC, but it is a good way to reward division winners.”

    I don’t want to live in a world that would reward the NL West winner.

  66. saucY - automate the strike zones! September 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    i know it’ll never happen, but:

    get rid of interleague play

    and rebalance the schedules

  67. Fredo Corleone September 4th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Saucy:

    Agree on interleague play. It’s run its course as far as I’m concerned.

    I like playing AL East teams 18/19 times a year. I’d want that to stay. As for the other divisions, play all those teams 9-10 times and that’s that.

  68. ray (sox fan) September 4th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    “Boston hasn’t done any better than NYY, regardles of what the Boston “fan” said earlier.”

    GreenBeret,
    I’m not sure if you were referring to my post in the thread before this one, but if you look at it again what I actually said was that Kazmir has owned Boston, not vice versa.

  69. Laura September 4th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    “Agree on interleague play. It’s run its course as far as I’m concerned.”

    I wouldn’t have a problem with Interleague play if all of the games were in town rivalries. Yanks/Mets and Sox/Cubs makes sense. Even Hou/Tex and LAA/LAD. But when the Yankees are playing PIT, that’s just stupid.

  70. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    I don’t think we need to eliminate interleague, just scale it down a little.

  71. Fredo Corleone September 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    GB was talking about me, Ray. Thinks I’m a Sox fan because I occasionally recognize them as being pretty good.

    That said, he’s correct. I pointed out Kazmir did not fare well in his 2 starts vs. Boston this year, but overall he’s done quite well with Boston, including 3-4 starts last year in which he went 6 or more innings while allowing zero runs.

  72. GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    ENOUGH ALREADY!!!! NO MORE TALK ABOUT THE VAPID, RABID PUPPY…FOOTBALL….IMAGINARY ISSUES WITH EXPANDED SEPTEMBER ROSTERS AND ENOUGH WITH FANTASY BASEBALL….
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    OK, now that I’ve got you attention, what are the feelings about picking up a first baseman in the off-season? Somebody not named Teixiera. His issues being too much money and too many years. He also would block any chance of finding out whether Brandon Laird is for real or not. My feeling is that Laird is the real deal, both with the bat and with the glove. He’s young, cheap and good (at least, at this point of his development).

    My preference is adam LaRoche from Pittsburgh. He’ll be thirty, reasonably inexpensive plays a very good defense, he can throw, is left handed and has power with a decent average. He won’t walk as much as Giambi, but, won’t strike out any more, either. He produces runs for a really bad. Pittsburgh team and did with an average atlanta offense. That buys time for Laird and doesn’t bloat the payroll with an unmovable contract, but, still bigger than Pittsburgh wants to deal with. Get him for Cabrera and Kennedy, plus cash (their favorite word). Expand it with another NL type pitcher like Ramirez or Marquez for a middle infield prospect.

    Thanks for your comments. I’m just bored and felt the need to draw attention to myself.

  73. Fredo Corleone September 4th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Problem with that Laura is that there are so few NYY/NYM type “rivalries”. Seattle and who???? St. Louis and who? Even the Mets/Yankees is kind of stale now.

    I’d prefer to see it go all together.

  74. GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    September 4th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
    “Boston hasn’t done any better than NYY, regardles of what the Boston “fan” said earlier.”

    GreenBeret,
    I’m not sure if you were referring to my post in the thread before this one, but if you look at it again what I actually said was that Kazmir has owned Boston, not vice versa.

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    No, Ray, I didn’t see your’s. It was one of the others who made a point of talking about the one game Boston played this year against Kazmir and how they pounded him, while disregarding the rest of his games against Boston.

  75. Laura September 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    “I’d prefer to see it go all together.”

    I would too, but like the original poster said, they probably aren’t going to get rid of it now. Anything that MLB thinks makes money is staying put. I’m sure that when the Yankees visited those parks that they never go to (i.e. PIT, HOU), attendance went through the roof. Some of those small market teams can use that money. MLB can’t take it away from them now.

  76. GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Fredo Corleone
    September 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
    GB was talking about me, Ray. Thinks I’m a Sox fan because I occasionally recognize them as being pretty good.

    That said, he’s correct. I pointed out Kazmir did not fare well in his 2 starts vs. Boston this year, but overall he’s done quite well with Boston, including 3-4 starts last year in which he went 6 or more innings while allowing zero runs.

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    as usual, you’re wrong. You’re not that important to me to respond to all of your rants and snide remarks. Try again, some other day and maybe I’ll respond, then.

  77. Fredo Corleone September 4th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    “My preference is adam LaRoche from Pittsburgh. He’ll be thirty, reasonably inexpensive plays a very good defense, he can throw, is left handed and has power with a decent average”

    I like it. Not sure I see him as inexpensive. He was at $5M last year and would become a free agent after the ’09 season I believe. $7M-$8M???

    If the Cuban kid at SWB is close to being able to contribute at this level, getting a platoon partner might be a way to go for ’09.

  78. Laura September 4th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    “OK, now that I’ve got you attention, what are the feelings about picking up a first baseman in the off-season?”

    Green, this is like asking us if we want to continue breathing. LOL!!

    Of course we need a 1B. I’m actually turning anti-Texeira. I don’t want to sign him to some long contract. He’s a Boras client so I’m sure he’s thinking 7 years. I’d do 4 with an option for 5.

    I don’t know enough about Adam LaRouche to make a judgment on whether he’d be a good acquisition or not.

    Something we also need to consider is that at some point, Jorge will have to move to 1B. We don’t want to lock ourselves in for too many years to someone new.

    Lastly, some people have floated the idea of playing Damon there. If we get a decent CF, I wouldn’t be opposed to that.

  79. GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    There has been a TJ Beam sighting in Cincinnati. Not sure bringing him in to a 8th inning tie game with the bases loaded and one out against Joey Votto is smart, though.

  80. GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    It wasn’t. single to Votto.

  81. Fredo Corleone September 4th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    “as usual, you’re wrong. You’re not that important to me to respond to all of your rants and snide remarks. Try again, some other day and maybe I’ll respond, then.”

    You are a crusty old fart aren’t you? It was I who mentioned Kazmir’s stats in his 2 starts vs. Boston this year.

    FWIW, I sleep pretty much the same whether you respond to something I post or not. Generally, I enjoy your posts. Pretty insightful stuff for the most part. Less often than not, when you post something like what is in quotation marks above, you come off as something of an assbag.

  82. GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Laura, LaRoche has 25-30 homer power and a .270-.275 averaqe. What’s more, he can play defense. Even if he’s getting 8-10 million a year for the next couple of years, he’s still young enough, good enough and cheap enough to move if Laird moves fast through the system and hits the way he has in the lower pitchers leagues, so far. One other thing…Adam Laroche is a legacy Yankee. His dad pitched for the Yanks in the early 1980′s.

  83. GreenBeret7 September 4th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Laura, yeah, I’ve thought about Posada at first, also, but, I think he can still catch at least one more year and then float between catcher, first and Dh for the remainder of his time. Also thought about Damon, also, for a lot of reasons, but, that means either keeping Cabrera or buying another center fielder or, as some have been pining for, trading Cano for one. That problem then means trading for or signing an expensive, older less talented second baseman like Hudson. Hudson wants a multi-year 13-15 mil a year contract, so nothing is accomplished.

  84. MooseCall September 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    I think Valentine is a baseball genius. Weird guy, but a genius.

  85. Rockin' Rich September 4th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    @Laura

    “Anyone listening to Russo’s preview show?”

    Isn’t he on pay Radio? I’m not paying money for something that should be free.

    Laura;

    do you have cable or satellite TV?

  86. bigjf September 4th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    I’m not big on LaRoche. He had one good year where he hit 32 homers, but aside from that he hits 20 at best with an OBP below .350 for his career. He’s not good.

    I’d rather try Posada there if they have to, maybe Matsui if his knee could hold up. Maybe someone like Mientkiewicz, he isn’t much better but his career OBP is 20 points higher. Otherwise, in a fantasy world, Jeter could move to CF and they could sign Furcal to play SS. I’d say Mientkiewicz would be most likely, since he wants to return to the Yanks, but it all depends on Posada. I need a good site that stays current on baseball contracts.

  87. Andrew [in] Orlando September 4th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    I’ve been saying this exact thing for years. But I have absolutely no power, or voice, on the subject.

  88. rover September 4th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Cant just blow bobby vs theories off. I see the reasoning. Actually makes sense.

  89. rover September 4th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    jmo, I was against every expansion since there were two leagues and 8 teams. I was somewhat against the expanded season.
    Todays game gives us the fans less than adequate pitching across the board. Today you just need to be a good ball player and maybe find a job. With sixteen teams you would need to be elite again. After 162 games it is a shame to tarnish another teams accomplishment of the pennant by a team who gets hot or luck or both. After 162 games there should be no doubt as to who has played the best ball consistently. Those two teams only deserve to be there in the end.
    But of course its all money now. Look for 40 teams in the next 20 years. Just deglorifies the whole thing and give us the fans inflated prices and a general lack of talented, really talented players. We pay a terrible price to be ripped off so boldly.

  90. Don Pratt September 4th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    I bet expanding the rosters in April would cut down on injuries.

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