Game 142: Yankees at Mariners
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- September
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YANKEES (75-66)
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
I. Rodriguez C
Ponson RHP
MARINERS (55-83)
Suzuki RF
Reed CF
Beltre 3B
Ibanez LF
Lopez DH
LaHair 1B
Betancourt SS
Johnson C
Valbuena 2B
Rowland-Smith LHP
Sidney Ponson (7-5, 5.13) vs. the Seattle hitters.
Ryan-Rowland Smith (4-2, 3.56) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees are 3-2 on their 10-day road trip, having lost the last two. … They are 6-1 against Seattle this season. … The Yankees started the day 11 games out of first place in the division, 8.5 games out in the wild card and 0.5 games ahead of fourth-place Toronto.
SIR SIDNEY: Ponson is 0-3, 8.75 in his last five starts. in 23.3 innings, he has allowed 38 hits and 23 earned runs. Ponson faced the Mariners on May 5 when he was a Ranger. He allowed one run over seven innings. The game was at Safeco.
Ponson is 3-4, 6.22 in 12 starts for the Yankees since signing in June.
GOOD MAN IN A PINCH: Joe Girardi made the right choice when he had Wilson Betemit pinch hit in the eighth inning on Friday night. Betemit doubled and is now 6 for 21 as a pinch hitter this season.
LACK OF RUNS: The Yankees have scored two or fewer runs 43 times this season, three or fewer runs 60 times and four or fewer tuns 73 times.
HAS ANYBODY SEEN MO: Mariano Rivera has not pitched since Aug. 29.
TORRE IS BACK: No, not that one. Torre Tyson, the manager of Class A Charleston, is with the team on this road trip. When rosters are expanded, teams also can add an extra coach.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 8:08 p.m.: Here’s Joe Girardi’s take on the state of the Yankees: “We’re not dead yet. Obviously it’s a big hill and we understand that. But we still have life and we’re still playing baseball and it’s meaningful baseball.
“Everyone understands where we’re at but nobody thinks it’s too much to overcome. We have a tough schedule but we could win 10 in a row and who knows where we’d be if we won 10 in a row?”
UPDATE, 9:22 p.m.: Hideki Matsui said today he would be willing to play first base next season.
“I’m pretty sure I could play the infield as well, at first base,†he said. “I’m going to make sure I prepare myself to play on the field, not just in the batter’s box.†Matsui will have surgery to repair cartilage damage on his left knee once the season is over. The Yankees, he said, have not approached him about a position switch. “Not necessarily. But I used to play first and third. As long as I get a little work in, I should be OK,†he said.
Girardi said he envisioned Matsui being the designated hitter for “a substantial amount of time†next season.
UPDATE, 10:09 p.m.: OK, we’re about to get underway here in Seattle. For the first time since May, it’s cold enough to wear a jacket.
UPDATE, 10:14 p.m.: It would seem Abreu’s wrist is OK. He crushed that pitch. Well, the Yankees are ahead of their pace from last night.
UPDATE, 10:54 p.m.: The Yankees sure threw some leather around in the bottom of the third as Jeter and Cano made run-saving plays. Cano’s play was tremendous, especially given that Ichiro was running.
Cano is maddening. He makes so many terrific plays then screws up a simple one in a big spot. He has so much talent.
UPDATE, 11:04 p.m.: Great play by Alex to end the fourth inning. You forget sometimes what a great arm he has.
UPDATE, 11:14 p.m.: Can’t say I expected Sir Sidney would be authoring a two-hit shutout through five innings. He’s been helped by his defense, sure, but he has pitched a terrific game to this point. Meanwhile, the first five innings took 63 minutes.
UPDATE, 11:39 p.m.: Sir Sidney needed one more out to call it a good night. Single, single, home run and now the Yankees are down 3-2. You can’t blame Girardi for leaving Ponson in. He had been throwing a shutout.
UPDATE, 11:53 p.m.: There’s a reason the Mariners are even worse than the Yankees. They go up 3-2 then give up three runs. They’ve used four pitchers in this inning so far.
UPDATE, 12:23 a.m.: It won’t be a save situation. But it wouldn’t surprise me to see Mariano in the ninth. He has not pitched since Aug. 29.
UPDATE, 12:29 p.m.: Now it is a save situation.
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Does anyone still have faith??
Yeah, I think I’ll stay in on a Sat. night to watch this.
Meaningless baseball, how fun.
“Does anyone still have faith??”
I’m gonna watch anyhow so why not.
Bob(TheOriginal) -
My Saturday Night fever days are long over, so I’ll be in anyway. Might as well watch. What the hay!
Besides – with weather like this, at least the Yankees game is warm and dry. Well, dry.
cant we be like the rockies of last year
Can Joe Mauer do it??
Except the Rockies played in the NL. We play in the Al.
“Does anyone still have faith??”
I know that our playoff chances are over, however, I still love the team and will watch them play until I can’t anymore.
how come Ransom isn’t playing? the last time Ransom faced a lefty, he went 3 for 3 with a walk and it was against Kazmir too.
I have been a Yankee fan since the other 2 NL teams moved out of NY many years ago. I will watch them to the last out is made. I watch baseball as much as possible. Last year when I was up in Cooperstown, I sat there and watched 2 little league games. I will root for the Yankees no matter what and I always hope for a playoff spot ( I remember many years without the Yankees in the Playoffs. GO YANKEES!!!
I always loved the team and that did not change when they are not doing well. However, lately, I am not posting much here as I find it difficult to accept the incessant unfair criticism of Girardi by Pete.
I am pretty confident that Yanks will come back very strong next season, Cashman or not.
Even if the Yankees finsih dead last, I will still cheer for them.
Heck, I cheer for Syracuse and we lost to @#%@#$ Akron!
A die hard Yankees fan who roots & watches her favorite team play the game til the end. Yeah, I’ll watch. Wouldn’t it be fun for them to go a a long winning streak? It’s prone to happen sooner or later. Go Yankees!!
on*
Yeah it would be nice…but watching yesterday crushed what little hope and optimism i had left. At this point, I’d be happy with just getting to something like 88 wins
“We saw that Boston won and that makes it a lot tougher,” Johnny Damon said. “The number of games doesn’t count us out yet. We are still wearing the Yankees’ uniform and that commands respect.”
What Johnny said.
Just took the dog out and the rain here is unbelievable.
We’ve started pairing up the animals, has someone else started building the ark?
hey, for anyone in Fairfield, Westchester, Putnam county, there’s a tornado warning. Doppler radar detected something. see:
http://www.weather.com/weather/newscenter/alerts/USCT0233?alertId=784079
Someone explain to me why Sidney Ponson is pitching tonight?
At this point, wouldn’t the entire organization benefit from trying another one of the kids?
He can’t do worse than Sidney and at the very least, he might gain some experience along the way.
“We are still wearing the Yankees’ uniform and that commands respect.â€
I listen to a lot of Yankee games on XM, which always feature’s the home team’s radio broadcast…it’s a good way to hear other perspectives.
Anyway, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard other broadcasters seem aghast at how poorly the Yanks have played this year. In 2008, the much-vaunted Yankee uniform commands little respect, if any.
Yankeefanfoev13, yeah, i think they can still win. they have a group that could go on a hellacious tear.
i was at the Indians game last April when A-Rod hit the walk-off. in the 9th, they were losing 6-2 with 2 outs, no one on. then the onslaught came. i couldn’t believe all the people who had left the game.
anyway, sometimes the unlikely happens.
George,
I remember that game. Didn’t Josh Phelps get things started with 2 outs or something like that? I remember being in the car and listening on the radio. After the 2nd out, I shut it off. Man was I surprised when I got home!
Listen, in baseball you just never know. That’s what keeps me coming back for more, I guess. It’s a great game for eternal optimists. The long season makes for a lot of second chances, too.
please don’t mention tornado warnings. I have a phobia of thunderstorms as is and you’ve now proceeded to make me have an anxiety attack…
I can’t help thinking about the scene in The Wizard of Oz when the wizard is handing out the gifts. He gives the three friends their courage, brains and heart, taking various items out of a large bag. When he gets to Dorothy, she says something like, “I don’t think there’s anything in that bag for me.” It’s such a sad, poignant moment. That’s how I feel about this season.
doreen: But in the end Dorothy doesn’t need anything from the Wizard
Rebecca -
That’s right. She had it in her power all along!
(There’s no place like home; there’s no place like home; there’s no place like home.)
But they made her go through all sorts of terrible experiences before telling her she could do it on her own.
Yup just like I said earlier wouldn’t it be nice if they went on a long winning streak? kinda like what Girardi said? Go bombers!!
She’s got the ruby slippers! Plus the audacity of hope.
I live on the Fairfield/Westchester border.
When is the tornado supposed to hit?
“But they made her go through all sorts of terrible experiences before telling her she could do it on her own.”
It’s true. They made her go through hell.
Clay: If it was going to hit you it would have hit by now.
My sister’s take is that the only really honest person in the whole Oz movie is the Wicked Witch.
doreen: Is she a Wicked fan?
What, those little guys didn’t really represent the lollipop guild?
Rebecca -
She hasn’t seen it. I gave her the book but I”m not certain she ever read it.
I suppose at the very least Mr. Maguire had similar thoughts that led to that story.
My daughter went through a Wizard of Oz stretch. We watched parts of it every day for about 6 months.
I love how Damon still follows the Red Sox.
Ironically, the last time we were in Seattle was Mother’s Day weekend last year. That Sunday we lost and the Sox rallied from 5 runs in the 9th to win. I remember Damon wad distraught in the postgame talking about that Sox come back. He was detailing it like he knew the whole sequence. And this was a meaningless game in May.
He may still be a Red Sox groupie, but atleast he didn’t throw out the first pitch in Fenway while still an active player lie Millar did lol
ill be watching and yea even if they dont make it to the playoffs there still my favorite team
“Everyone understands where we’re at but nobody thinks it’s too much to overcome.”
I want whatever it is that Girardi is smoking. Does he really think that the Yankees can go 19-2 and BOS plays sub .500 baseball?
Woo Hoo!! Tropical Storm Hannah, here we go!!
Laura -
At least he still has confidence in his team. And if the Yankees go 19-2 and the Sox don’t fall apart, well, at least they’ll have gone 19-2, for whatever it ends up being worth. If Tampa keeps stumbling, 19-2 could still get them a wild card. (I don’t think it’s going to play out that way, but if you have to aim high anyway.)
The players and Girardi know the season is over, they are just saying the right things.
It’s scary how this team could finish in 4th place, man have we fallen or what.
Do I think the Yankees still have a shot? Sure, anything can happen in baseball. They could get hot and go on a winning streak.
Do I think the Red Sox will lose enough games for the Yankees to catch up in the wild card race? Now that is a different story…the short answer is “NO”.
“[Damon] may still be a Red Sox groupie, but atleast he didn’t throw out the first pitch in Fenway while still an active player lie Millar did lol”
That is because he can’t reach the plate from the pitcher’s mound without bouncing it.
Red Sox fans have nominated Wakefield as most valuable Yankee player. He has allowed 6 runs after two outs in the second inning!!!!!
Now 7 runs
I was just about to post that ray (now it’s 7) – that unraveled quickly!!
Yes, ray, but the sad thing is that the Sox are still very much in this game. Sad for us, that is.
I saw a few days ago that you were asking about good options to get tickets to see the Stadium before the end, did you get it all squared away or are you still looking?
Hey Nick,
I did get some helpful suggestions on how to get a ticket to a Yankee game at the Stadium. I am still sorting it out, but thank you for asking.
I suppose Boston may come back but it will also tax the pitching staff right before the Tampa series early next week. Wakefield has already been yanked.
RAY- Did you try Craigslist? Or if you are in the area, try to get tickets day of. They are more expensive but you’ll know for sure they are real.
Thank you Jennifer.
Cool. When I was trying to get tickets for my mom, I checked craiglist, stubhub, and ebay, and the best deal I found was on ebay. craiglist might be best for last minute deals.
ray – comeback underway
Guess you guys were right. Youkilis hits a home run to make it 7-4.
“I suppose Boston may come back but it will also tax the pitching staff right before the Tampa series early next week. Wakefield has already been yanked.”
You’re playing TEX, Ray. I’m sure you’ll be fine.
What makes everyone think we’ll be chasing Boston for the WC much longer. Even if they lose tonight they’ll only be 3 back of TB in the division. They could very well be in first place by next week. TB might end up going for the WC, and due to all the inexperience on that team they might very well collapse. They’re already showing signs.
I don’t think anyone thinks the Yankees are chasing either Boston or Tampa Bay…just having a little bit of fun
Nick,
Thanks for the history lesson. Don’t see the connection, but now I know who Thompson and Branca are.
So I come home to find that Detroit came from behind to hand Minny a loss and that the Rangers chased Wakefield early.
Faith? Always.
9-4..texas
Someone tell Cash that mini comb over isn’t becoming.
mel, it was a joke at this point probably not worth explaining.
Didn’t Boston and Texas have a slugfest about a month ago? Boston went way ahead, Texas fought back to take the lead only to be dashed by Boston in the end?
Good interview with Cashman on the pre-game.
The almighty K-Rod is about to blow the lead
pat -
What did he have to say, and how was his demeanor?
Nick,
OK, we’ll put that one to bed and laugh about something else. Da Bears?
Yes Doreen, Sox went up something like 11-0 early in the game. Texas came back and went ahead, and they went back and forth until Sox won it something like 19-17. ( a real pitcher’s duel)
lead blown
“Didn’t Boston and Texas have a slugfest about a month ago? Boston went way ahead, Texas fought back to take the lead only to be dashed by Boston in the end?”
Yep. BOS scored 10 runs in one inning. TEX battled back and I think took a 14-10 lead only to lose 15-14 or something like that.
Doreen: Yeah, Boston was up 10-0 after one and texas came all the way back and even took the lead before falling.
Thanks, guys. I remember scoreboard watching that game, but never saw the final score.
Thanks, for the blown save, Frankie.
Weird play. 1st & 3rd zero outs.
Alexi hits into a sac double play. RF-1B-SS.
Cabrera flies out. Extra innings.
Da Cal Bears are indeed in the midst of a laugher. It’s 59-3 Cal @ the Palouse, which is usually a house of horrors for us.
I’m happy any time K-rod doesn’t get to do his big end of inning dance…
Jeter wants to steal the bat and put it in his front yard. :shocked:
seriously I think they should put that bat in front of the new stadium.
Doreen
He sounded down.
Went on the road trip because when the team is struggling that’s where he needs to be.
Hughes and Kennedy not guaranteed spots in the rotation next year. WIll have to earn their spots in Spring Training. Likes the bullpen and thinks they have a few more knocking on the door but the rotation needs work. Injuries are part of the game but losing your number 1 and then lsoing the guy brought in to replace him hurts.
Offensive struggles surprised him the most. SPoke about injuries to Posada and Matsui as being tough as well as Alex being out for a month and a few other starters being out for periods of time.
Said he’s taking the blame for this season because he’s been in NY long enough to know that pointing fingers in mant directions doesn’t help anyone so everyone can point at him. Said Girardi can only work with what he gives him and despite what he has been given has remained positive this year.
Nick,
Did you see the penalty against Washington at the end of the BYU game?
Stupid Pac-10 officials.
So where does Joe envision Johnny playing? Clearly he can’t play cf next year.
Or does he envision Johnny or Matsui being traded? That is what I think will happen.
Or do they let Bobby walk, and Nady plays right, with Johnny playing left?
You gotta pinch run for Vlad, right?
Thanks Pat.
This had to have been a difficult year for him.
It sounds like they’re going to have to rely on free agents for the rotation next year and put off the home-grown pitching staff for another season.
What was I thinking? Forgot to mute the White Sox game. Ugh.
matsui playing first?
hm that would be strange
Didn’t see it, but Pac-10 officials are the worst worst worst. It’s embarrassing. Meanwhile in Berkeley, they’re finally chopping down the trees. Thank god.
jennifer,
What bat? And I like Damon in LF and Nady RF.
Can Shields get out of this?
I’m not dissing Damon at all….just suggesting that he is probably not tradeable at this point in his career unless the Yankees eat a chunk of his salary IMO.
Ben Sheets with a complete game shutout
I like Matsui’s pro-active attitude, though.
Someone way in the beginning of the post asked if we still had faith.
Whether or not we have faith, we watch to find the good things–Moose maybe getting 20 wins, Jeter passing the all-time Yankees on the hit list, A-Rod climbing up the all-time home run list. There is good stuff to be seen, even if the game itself isn’t amazing to watch.
The “bat”, It is actually a 120-foot high boiler stack.
It is outside of the main entrance.
ray- He is in the final year of his deal. The fa market for outfielders isn’t that good. IMO he is very tradeable.
i agree doreen,
matsui really worked hard to get back with this team and hes willing to play whatever position they put him in
but I’d rather see mark texeria(spelling?) at first then matsui
mel
Here’s a picture of the bat.
http://www.amny.com/ny-0jy3umws20080323111307,0,4561753.photo
Nick,
Jake Locker led a TD drive with him breaking tackles in the end zone to score with 2 seconds left.
He flicked the ball over his shoulders with no defenders nearby and celebrated with his teammates.
The 15 yd penalty pushed Washington back for the PAT, but the kick was blocked. End of game.
I think they were trying to avoid accusations of homerism. The celebration wasn’t excessive at all.
lol strange I’ve been to yankee stadium countless times but i always go through the side, i never seen that huge bat before
it looks like a regular pole from ground level…
thanks, Pat. I’ve seen Girardi leaning on a bat a’la Torre.
Pierzinski trying to out run Figgins. Funny. Big baserunning error.
1st & 3rd nobody out and they can’t cash in.
That’s outrageous, for the refs to interject themselves like that with a borderline or chicken**** judgement call and affect the outcome. Boooooo.
The best way to make things right would be for Cal to demolish UW later in the season.
why bench Ransom??It`s rediculous!!
Timlin now throwing batting practice for the Rangers. There aren’t any Rangers named Giambi are there?
10-4 Texas
How did Chris Davis do in that game ?
I think Timlin would be a good choice to flip the switch at the Stadium for one of the last games.
With Damon’s clubhouse demeanor and his really good lead off bat, I just don’t see the Yankees trading him. Matsui might be though about for a trade, but I think he will be healthy next season. Why he didn’t have both knees done last year is a puzzle to me, being that both were bothering him the year before.
I think Abreu will be made an offer of 2 years, but I think he might end up walking.
Nady to right, Damon to left, Yankees pick up/ trade for a CF, Melky slight possibility of being the backup OF, though I think its more likely he will be in the minors again.
The Yankees need a real 1st baseman. Teixeira is only possible one to go after. If that falls through, then maybe a trade to get one who has good fielding and decent bat.
Pitching is the biggest question for next season, though. CC, Burnett, Sheets are probably the order they are working on. Mussina might be back, more probable than Pettitte. I think Mussina will come back even year to year. Pettitte is a big question, though he pitched well last night, just not well enough.
The bench is the other area they need to get worked out. They need some speed on it.
Posada will be the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Will he be OK to play next season. That won’t be able to be answered till at least ST. Even then it won’t show how he will hold up, even if he can catch and throw.
BTW, USA is playing Cuba on ESPN Classis, leading 1-nil in the 80th minute. No word whether Livan is on hand to eat any leftover innings..,. er, I mean, minutes?
It’s over guys.Girardi is full of it and Pete’s criticism is totally justified.The Marlins Girardi would’ve set Cano straight.This one makes excuses.Lies to the press.If I look up at the sky and it’s blue and Joe tells me it’s red I’m gonna call him out on it too.This year is his one and only mulligan.Next year it will be different.
i REALLY needed Jenks to get that win, and the chisox blow it.
Nick in SF
September 6th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
“I think Timlin would be a good choice to flip the switch at the Stadium for one of the last games.”
Nick, your comment constitutes unnecessary and cruel punishment! Very funny though…you made me laugh.
Giambi probably wishes he could make Timlin his personal pitcher.
Apparently the refereeing at the usf/ucf game is nothing to write home about, either.
Soriano has 3 HRs tonight
Pete,
Matsui’s comments are encouraging. The guy is a team player through and through and I wish he was a better fit here because he’s the guy I want up in the 9th inning of a playoff game when we need a sac fly.
If he can play the field it increases his value to the team as well as his trade value. Gotta love a guy like Matsui who is willing to give back.
$13-
Rumor is Rockies might trade 3b Garrett Atkins. Could play 1st and be a good fit.
Adam Dunn @ 1st?
Don’t really want to see Yankees tie up 1st base with a 7 year contract for Teixeira, when we have some minor leaguers who might be ready in 2-3 years.
Timlin’s batting practice continues.
Texas 11-4
Soriano has 3 HRs tonight
Gotta love NL pitching
actually..12-4
Ransom to play 1B next season?
Adam Dunn @ 1st?
The Human Strikeout
We need to sign:
Adam Dunn, Tex, Sheets, Milton Bradley, CC, and Manny.
Dunn in RF
Manny in LF
Tex at 1st
Bradley in center
Matsui at DH
What’s with Kotsay – lots of extra base hits his way…
Ed,
If he could prove he’s not a fluke, I’d put Cody there. Right now, I see Cody as a utility infielder.
Dunn in RF
Manny in LF
Bradley in center
excuse me while I laugh at that outfield defenders. lol hahahas.
If he could prove he’s not a fluke, I’d put Cody there. Right now, I see Cody as a utility infielder.
mel, i totally agree with you. I rather have him back next season as our utility player than Betemit.
Brandon: Isn’t that Wilson? Or Sexson?
Adam Dunn, Tex, Sheets, Milton Bradley, CC, and Manny.
Dunn in RF
Manny in LF
Tex at 1st
Bradley in center
Matsui at DH
PS3 or XBOX ?
Kotsay is like any other Red Sox player, they turn into gold when they put the uniform on.
Brandon: Isn’t that Wilson? Or Sexson?
You gotta watch Dunn Rebecca. You just got to.
Ed,
I think Wilson’s a free agent, but I’ve always had a soft spot for him. So, I’ll wish him the best wherever he ends up.
Nick, the vampire that almost threw the no-hitter’s from Cal?
“Dunn in RF
Manny in LF
Bradley in center”
hahahahahaaha and i bet you complain when damon doesnt catch a ball lol you see that as an improvment? your crazy
and if we cant get mark then i agree with who ever said Garrett Atkins would be a decent pick up
and cody replaces wilson
I got a feeling either Milton Bradley or the Yankees will deal for Mike Jacobs.
Brandon: I have. When Dunn doesn’t strike out he hits it into the next state!
(no seriously, he once hit a home run into the Ohio River which is technically Kentucky territory)
Did Richie Sexson land with any other team after we cut him loose?
I’d be *so* down with Jacobs.
There we go, a textbook Jeter DP.
A DP for Jeter. Wow, I’m shocked. I mean, he never does that.
slow a… bat
hmm, you know, we hadn’t seen one of those in a while, I guess we were due.
comments by Keith law on his blog on Jeffrey Marquez
Trenton starter Jeff Marquez was ordinary, 89-92 mph with very good downhill plane and fair sink at 89-90. His best secondary pitch was a change or split-change in the low-80s, sometimes with good bottom but other times it was flat with late fading action. Neither of his breaking balls was plus, and he had a kitchen-sink approach rather than any clear pitching plan. If he can work consistently as a sinker-changeup guy, he could pitch in the big leagues, but he’s not a starter in the AL East.
Taxes, death and a Jeter DP. What do they all have in common?
I get such a feeling of deja vu when I watch Yankees games. It’s the same game, just on a different day.
Hey! We won’t be no hit tonight!
Abreu was due!
I got a feeling either Milton Bradley or the Yankees will deal for Mike Jacobs.
look for the Marlins to have a super firesale due to arbitration eligible players.
Oh what a shock. Jeter gdp.
Bobby still cares
would have been nice if Damon was still on base
Bobby
Effortless.
Oh look. A run thingie
“Hey! We won’t be no hit tonight!”
I know, what a relief! I still can’t believe Betemit got that hit yesterday. Of all people….
Ransom is a major league utility player at best. an ML career .236 hitter and a minor league career .240 hitter with about 25% of his at bats being strikeouts. If I were the NYY, I’d concentrate on the rotation and fill first base from within. The only way the get a better center fielder is to weaken other position and that does zero good.
high strike
The food looks good.
Where’s kasey?
look for the Marlins to have a super firesale due to arbitration eligible players.
Hermidia and Jacobs could be a nice haul. I’d wonder what they’s want for Anibal.
they’d *
Bring back Bobby.
I’ll catch this one off line.
GO YANKEES!
I think Wilson’s a free agent, but I’ve always had a soft spot for him. So, I’ll wish him the best wherever he ends up.
Mel, Betemit isn’t going to be a free agent. he’s out of options.
Laura,
did you laugh out loud when wilson was sent up to end the no hitter? because i certainly did
but as we all knoe he shut me up real quick, which is a good thing
Morrow was a Cal Bear, yes. When he faced Nady, it was Bear on Bear action, which has a number of connotations in the Bay Area.
the Big G makes a good catch
BOOM
we win lol
Bring back Bobby.
I’ll catch this one off line.
I wouldn’t, you have to expect drop off from him. I do wonder if he can play 1B
YANKEE PITCHER SIDNEY PONSON HAS A NO-HITTER THROUGH ONE INNING.
“Laura,
did you laugh out loud when wilson was sent up to end the no hitter? because i certainly did”
Yes, I did. In fact, I was thinking “Does Girardi really expect this fool to get a hit?” I was very glad to be wrong.
So far no scary pitching, either (though Pettite wasn’t really scary until the 3rd and 4th innings)
Why’d ya’ jinx him DFox?
We. have. waited. all. year. for Giambi. to. do. that.
“Why’d ya’ jinx him DFox?”
It doesn’t matter… Unless they have Wilson Betimit on their team, there’s no way Seattle can break up a no-hitter.
Big G’s busy tonight.
Nick,
Ew. Really. I think I know what you’re talking about. Double Ew.
Like I said, it’s the same game, just on a different day.
I got a game for you all on a saturday night.
A shot for every double play!
another DP,
what waist of the big g hitting the other way
DP-itis strikes again
A DP followed by a hit. Where did I see this before? Oh, I know. The first inning!!!
Is there some cash for double play scheme that I don’t know about…that’s 2 so far (in two chances, no less)
And they DP themselves out of another run. What a joke..
Rebecca,
Doesn’t count. He didn’t do it on purpose.
Nice, Hideki!
rebecca if we played that game tonight we would probably be unconscious way before the game even ends haha
GIDP drinking game?
I’m not as think as you drunk I am.
I got a game for you all on a saturday night.
A shot for every double play!
I’M GAME !
you gotta have faith: Well, I need something to do on a saturday night and I just finished making this:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3005/2834894780_2e7e517926.jpg?v=0
Oh, and if Ponson pitches a no-hitter, I’ll fly to the Netherlands and give Queen Beatrix a Moose Bar and stop off in Aruba on the way back.
OMG it’s happening!! I get to say it again!
Yankee pitcher Sidney Ponson has a no-hitter through two innings.
Ponson saw what happened to Rasner. He wants to stay in the rotation so he’s putting in a good effort.
Sir Sid cares!
Damn LaHair. I was hoping for 27 put outs by Big G.
Ponson returning the favor tonight!!
Okay, who wants to hear something shocking?
I took a good look at Wakefield today and believe it or not, he’s a member of the baseball hotties club. I know, I was shocked too, but he’s a cute guy! Old, but cute.
“you gotta have faith: Well, I need something to do on a saturday night and I just finished making this:”
I love flickr. I just bought a pro account and a new digital camera today.
gotta love the ponsanity!
i wonder what it takes to acquire Bryan LaHair to play 1B next season. (i think its scarasm)
Laura,
Yuck. His beer gut disqualifies him. Did you see Garcia?
Hey – Dave Pauley’s back…good for him
New Lohud League
I just read Pete’s comments about what Matsui said about 1B. I’d put Damon there before I’d put Matsui at 1B. I think that they should use Matsui as a permanent DH and put Damon at 1B. Find a good CF, put Nady in LF and Abreu in RF.
Jeter’s got a better eye than the umps and the play by play guys.
“Yuck. His beer gut disqualifies him. Did you see Garcia?”
I was just talking about his face. I’ve blocked his body out of my mind.
Garcia as in Freddy Garcia? He never did anything for me.
walking can be fun
Giambi, time for you to shine!!!!
Just walk everybody..
A faster runner would have beat that out.
Laura,
No, Christian Garcia.
while the first 3 batters saw 4+ pitches, Giambi swings at the 2nd pitch he sees? wow, just wow.
This is why I have to laugh when Girardi talks about them winning 10 games in a row. Have we seen anything tonight that we haven’t seen this whole season? RISP left stranded.
Giambi couldn’t be any slower. Also, why are the M’s announcers so excited?
“No, Christian Garcia.”
I went to that link you gave me, but I didn’t see any pictures.
A faster runner would have beat that out.
if only that was Ransom.
Great play by the 2nd baseman, but jeez, Jason, you think you could’ve took a couple more pitches? The boy just walked the park.
Seattle guys sound like they just won the world series.
“Also, why are the M’s announcers so excited?”
After the season they’ve had, it doesn’t take much to get them excited.
Meanwhile, K-Rod’s blown save has now taken that game into the 15th inning
Giambi almost did beat that out but he slowed down to tip his cap. Er, helmet.
wth Ponson?
…..Sidney….
Laura,
It was down the page Never mind.
Sid,
You’re going to gave to be really good tonight. The offense is not interested in helping you.
the run in wason the grass !
Um Ponson..
Stupid fatass. How can Girardi say we might win 10 games if he keeps on starting this fat SOB.
No-hitter RIP. So no trip to see Queen Beatrix for me.
What happened? on gameday it says on-field delay?
Again the UMPS ARE BLIND!! I guess if you play against the Yankees you are allowed to run on the grass!
stupid ! Stupid ! stup[iod ..blind umpa !
“It was down the page Never mind.”
Sorry, I didn’t look too far.
Crap call – Betancourt went off the base line when he got mixed up with Ponson
does it matter that ponson never actually made contact with him…atleast it appears that way
That call is an absolute joke. The runner was out of the base line and the runner ran into Ponson not the other way around.
Okay, Sid. Shake it off.
What an awful call. Whenever a player knows they’re going to be caught stealing, they should just run on the pitchers mound (because apparently it’s fine if you run on the grass) to cause interference.
Again the UMPS ARE BLIND!! I guess if you play against the Yankees you are allowed to run on the grass!
if only we could use the replay if it wasnt limited.
Just focus on the next guy – do not let this spiral out of control
Let me guess the famous 2 out hit…
I’d 100% walk Ichiro here.
You can’t blame Ponson on a blown call by the umpire. Ponson was 3 steps in the grass and the runner was one or two and there was no contact.
mel, I just saw his pic. He does favor Sizemore, but Sizemore has him beat in the hotness department.
What about the 2nd baseman?
And you get nothing !
Nice save by Jeter.
Let’s go, bats!
Nice play by Cano…He is actually awake today…so far
ah – i’m a bit behind
Come on Ponsony. 1 more
we need more runs
The defense is playing the kind of D that no-hitters are made of. Too bad about the single.
That’s three plays in the last two months on interference involving the Yanks on defense. all three runners were in the grass. Umpires called one and blew two.
Is Nady coming back down to earth? He is not as hot (baseball wise, that is) as he had been.
John Sterling just said: Ichiro is 10-for-19 off Ichiro.
John Sterling: Ichiro is 10-for-19 off Ichiro.
Where is TKinDC??? The Terps have some ’splaining to do!
Laura, word for back to Nady that Brandon was hating on him on the LoHud blog and he hasn’t been the same player since. Words hurt.
Word GOT back to Nady, that is.
The offense isn’t interested in playing tonight.
“Laura, word got back to Nady that Brandon was hating on him on the LoHud blog and he hasn’t been the same player since. Words hurt.”
Wow, Nady’s sexy hot and sensitive. What a man!
keep it together, Sid!!
1 – 0
The Yanks have to stop with the offensive onslaught. It’s unbearable to watch the worst team in the AL get abused like this.
“The offense isn’t interested in playing tonight.”
And this differs from any other night in what way?
The Yanks need to put some of these hits together!!! Walk, DP. Hit, DP, Double..nothing. Bases loaded…nothing. These at bats are going to come back to bite them like they usually do.
Thome ends the game in Chicago.
Nady is typical of Cal Berkeley grads in that respect, yes.
how about making them hit into a dp
I’m getting worried here Sidney
Ok, I get it, this game is a clinic on defense.
take a shot
yay for the double play
The offense may be MIA, but the D showed up tonight.
Nice call by Girardi.
Nice play by Arod…Ponson needed that…Now can we get some runs???!!!
I realize I am in a very, very, very small minority, but I would bring Ponson back next year as the fifth starter. He seems to fit in the clubhouse and does have some talent left.
Twinkle Toes Rodriguez!
John Sterling: Ichiro is 10-for-19 off Ichiro.
He has 3 bottles under the table and finished #1
CWS trying to pull away from MIN.
“I realize I am in a very, very, very small minority, but I would bring Ponson back next year as the fifth starter. He seems to fit in the clubhouse and does have some talent left.”
I’d consider it if I didn’t have any other options.
“Twinkle Toes Rodriguez!”
Made me think….seeing some of these guys on Dancing With the Stars would be priceless.
I would think that they are going to move that bat over to the new park.
FYI i will be holding NY Giant coverage this football season on pinstripelive.livejournal.com Yankee and NY football Giants coverage will be held
10 in a row, right?
Ponson has done well, now how about putting in Joba for 3 innings or so.
Phil Hughes, no doubt we can all agree on that.
Whoa, remember how Ponson was leaving the ball up in last few games? He’s 10-1 GO/AO
John Sterling: “the Run and Hit was on”
Update: 11-2
Biggest disappointment? Igawa. I thought he finally ‘got it’ and would become our ace.
Ok, now Ponson is eligible for the win, that’s nice, now how about putting in Joba for 3 innings or so? Don’t tempt fate.
Nice!
13-2 GO/AO
33-14 K/B ratio
47 pitches in 5 innings for Sydney, one of the more economical outings for a Yankee pitcher this year. I’d feel more comfortable with 3 more runs, however.
Nick,
Joking, right? Igawa was the Scranton Pitcher of the Year.
*12-2 ratio :blush:
Sir Sidney is indeed an enigma.
It would have been nice to have that when the bases were loaded.
GIAMBINO!
Behind those sunglasses and the toothy grin lies a fierce competitor. If only he could do it for the big club.
Nick.
The only 2 runs we have are HR’s by LHB’s against a lefty. Again, tell me why Girardi rested his LHB’s all season long against lefty pitchers?
I’d actually say it was the offense.
Dude will be playing somewhere next year. Oakland will need a big bat.
Nady’s still *hot*, Laura.
“Sir Sidney is indeed an enigma.”
At first I thought that said ‘enema’ and it still made sense.
Come on guys keep the hitting coming…The single homeruns were nice, now lets get Nady in and get hits with guys on base.
Why does Cano look more patient vs LHP and not RHP
scratch that
Just Cano being Cano…
Speaking as one with chronic digestive problems…
…you have no idea.
“Nady’s still *hot*, Laura.”
He’s hot in a lot of ways. The guy is a four alarm fire!!
When Cano strikes out, he looks like the kid that nobody picked to be on their team.
Horrible at bat by Cano. Swinging at pitches off the plate that he can’t reach. Putz.
Cano has issues with multi-tasking, good offense and defense cannot appear in the same game.
last inning for sidney – please
Giambi is looking especially nimble around first base, tonight. a defensive salary drive?
Haven’t been around lately but good to see everybody in a cheerful mood tonight.
Come on Ponson..1 more out…
Why does it hurt to watch that man in CF ?
Joba – NOW
If Sidney doesn’t get out of this right now, pull him. Super-short leash. Bring Joba in for a few innings!
That was a great pitch to Beltre….bad results, though.
Um, Ponson? 1 more out dude
Can Joba be ready in 1 minute?!! Come on Ponson…
It was nice while it lasted.
Well that was too good to be true.
and that pitch stunk.
The G-man will end up with good power numbers (30+ biggies, and possibly 100 or so rbi’s) and thus the temptation will be there to resign him….hopefully not, since (i) his defense is atrocious, (ii) he is increasingly more injury prone as the years kick in, (iii) his clutch performance is dubious, and (iv) he as much as anyone other than Arod symbolizes the “Frustrating Years”. Were I the Steinies, I would clear house of the excess baggage not under contract ,and make as many “big” moves as feasible…CC, Tex (unlikely he will not sign with the Angels), and the ManRam (they can’t afford NOT to….sorry Pete, I know how you and the rest of NY press feel about him…however, I live in LA and can easily observe what he has done for the Dodgers, as a team and for the younger players individually, on the field and in the clubhouse….more at another time on the ManRam and the desperate need for him to “come on home” and Arod with a safety net in more ways than one. As a diehard Bomber fan of 60 + years…Yogi and I were rookies together….desperate times required what some may view as desperate measures. As a touch of irony, he may well save Torre’s image which, pre-Manny, had reached a low ebb.
anyone else seeing that 3 run HR coming?
ARGHHGHGHGHHG, I called for joba 2 frikkin innings ago.
ARHGHGHGHHGHGHGHHGHGH
Before he even threw that pitch, I knew he should have walked him. You have to be an idiot to let their second best hitter beat you. Who cares if you walk him? Let Lopez try to beat you.
Stupid, stupid, stupid baseball.
un-freaking-believable
X still looks sexy
(I kid)
Yeah, sure let’s bring him back next year! What a great pitcher, we should sign him on a 10 year deal.
Great!! Terrible pitch. Pretty predictable with the Yanks. They leave 10 million men on base and 1 pitch most likely cost them the game.
welcome to fourth place, yankees.
yeesh
string the hits together and get some freaking runs
“anyone else seeing that 3 run HR coming?”
Yep. Girardi should have called for an intentional walk or a new pitcher. To let Ponson pitch to Ibanez in that situation and actually throw a strike is comical.
update… 3-2
Well, the real Sir Sidney finally showed up.
I thought it was the 7th game of the world series, Girardi! Now I’m really P.O’d. I have to walk my dog before I break something.
Happy thoughts… happy thoughts….
Ponson did well, though, for him. He made two mistakes, tonigh. One on the double to Reed earlier and the pitch to Ibanez, who has become a really fine hitter over the last four years.
Did anyone seriously expected a Ponson start to be any different? He’ll always put you in a hole. And we are starting him only because we want to win 10 games in a row!!
Please tell me the Yanks aren’t going to have Moose on the mound tomorrow trying to not have the Yanks get swept?! Especially to a team that has won 10 games this season.
Here it comes, another DP!
I feel another GIDP coming
Yeah, DFox It’s always smart to move the tying run into scoring position. You see managers doing it on a nightly basis.
Only the 2008 Yankees can make the f****in Mariners look like a great baseball team.
Now that the lead is gone here come the boo birds to the blog…good night all. Keep on watching.
Win when Moose pitches.
That’s all I’m asking for.
Singie is telling us about the coaching staff working on Gardner’s stroke”. What Stroke? Simply put, he is not big league potential, certainly not to grace the same position that Joe D and Mick patrolled. Perhaps this ill-advised activity demonstrates the ineptitude and abysmal judgment of those who assess the potential of the Yankee farmhands.
Love all of the “I saw that coming” and “Why didn’t they walk him?” guys….always after the play. Show guts and call it before the play.
Thank you johnny damon – take away the dp
“Yeah, DFox It’s always smart to move the tying run into scoring position. You see managers doing it on a nightly basis.”
Right, so you chose the better option, let their best hitter with runners in scoring position BEAT YOU. I’d rather have Lopez beat the Yankees every single day of the week than have a scrub actually pitch to him. It’s so painfully simple. You don’t let their best player, at least this season, beat you. Tonight, if things stand, they did just that.
I couldn’t care less about moving the tying runs into scoring position. I’d rather force Lopez to TIE the game than allow Ibanez to beat me.
Good job by Damon..we didn’t need to see another captain special. Now Jeter get him in!!!
I was waiting for the moment for Ponson to toss a beach ball to turn the game around. No surprise there. With little run support all it took was a simple blast to take away whatever lead the Yankees had.
I look at Ponson as the turning point of the season. He ended the team’s eight game winning streak following the All Star Game and that was the last time they were any good. Everything has been in a tailspin.
Ok ABreu – you can tie this up (at the very least)…let’s go
Please Bobby, don’t roll over and hit into a DP. A flyball shoudl do it.
Uh Oh. A RISP. What will they do
Jeter gotta steal as well. take advantage of Johnson’s weak arm.
Good opportunity to pick up a game on both the Sawx and the Rays and tell the Fat Lady “not so fast”, if our “Clutch” guys can now come through to bring some runs in….Our 3 and 4, and possibly 5 hitters!!! What more can you ask for?
Jeter needs to be running on one of the first two pitches.
GB7, at that point I wanted Ponson to get past one more batter, so I didn’t call for a walk there. I called for him to be GONE after the 4th and then the 5th inning. 4 or 5 shutout innings from Ponson is like found money, don’t flush it down the toilet by leaving him in too long!
I know that no professional baseball manager would take out a pitcher in that situation. It just sucks because virtually all of us knew that Ponson was a ticking time bomb. Oh the humanity.
Why are we still running Ponson out there?
We don’t have any young pitcher worth pitching here?
Sad to say the least.
Don’t understand why Jeter’s not running. He’s on his own.
THANK YOU BOBBY!!!!
Holy crap he called the play by play w/o any stupid trademarks
Oh my goodness gracious!
No more Ponson tonight and I will have nothing to complain about.
thank you bobby abreu, thank you
Abreu is making his big push for a contract!!!!!
and bobby gets all the way to 3rd – a sacrifice will do, arod
Thank you Abreu!!! Show them how it is done. Now $28m it is your job to get the run in from 3rd…and not strike out or hit a pop up in the infield. Mariners managing like its game 7 of the WS.
“Abreu is making his big push for a contract!!!!!”
I think he should get one. The guy delivers most of the time. He and Damon have been the only constant producers in the lineup.
“If it’s fair, it’s trouble…”
I’m glad Kay’s not in Seattle.
Bobby! Bobby! Bobby!
Like you, Nick when Ponson and Rasmer are pitching, I start crossing my fingers while they’re warming up in the bullpen. Tonight, he had only made the one bad pitch and had made a great pitch to jam Beltre. The pitch to Ibanez was on a tee, though.
Didn’t Seattle do this last year – bring in a different reliever for each batter?
first pitch hbp – ridiculous – and it sets up the freaking DP
***Rasner***
Setting up the DP…
One of these days, Alex needs to just charge the mound. Then they’d stop hitting him.
time for you to shine, Giambi!!
Is Arod relieved? He did not fail.
My god punch somebody Alex how many more HBP will you turn the cheek to !
THANK YOU GIAMBI!!!
I love when the Yankees gain confidence. They actually start hitting…
Abreu star of game-named MVP Yankees and resigns 52.4 million dollar 4 year contract ala Posada, when he’ll be 39 years old.
nady – you’re up next –
at least they are not going for another pitcher
Giambino with a double. Lord have Mercy
Ofcourse the ball had to go over the wall…But I will take the run. I wonder if Joba is warming up?! Please no more Ponson..
Nady and Damon are definitely my favorite Yankees of ‘08.
this innong is why September call ups stink.just cause you have so many pitchers doesn’t mean you have to use them.
Ps with big g now a triple away from the cycle if he gets it be should retire
Brandon, it’s hard to tip your cap without turning your cheek.
“Abreu star of game-named MVP Yankees and resigns 52.4 million dollar 4 year contract ala Posada, when he’ll be 39 years old.”
You don’t sign Abreu to a 4 year deal. I think he’d settle for a 2 year with an option.
Nady is coming back to earth. darn!!!
Nady swinging out of his shoes…He does that alot..They need to get the good Nady back.
Giambi voted comeback position Yankee player of the year and is rewarded with a 3 year, 48 million dollar extension.
There goes those loud trains again.
The Yankees are the biggest waste of talent in the history of sports. Don’t get me wrong, I support them this year and I will support them next year but they are a waste of time and talent.
If the middle of the lineup had performed like this (i.e., consistently hit in the clutch) the situation would be much different.
I’m fine with the RBI…
Oh that Nady, so hot.
and if they consistently faced mediocre pitching they’d be in first, too
MATSUI – I did miss him!!
Matsui is a big reason for our bad season… Or lack of Matsui, rather.
Now I wonder if we’ll see Joba or if he’ll be saved to help out the Moose.
I love it. They decide to start hitting with RISP in Game 142. Talk about bad timing!
They have faced mediocre pitching all year and are on the verve of finishing in fourth place
I say save him for the Moose – need to get him those Ws
Cano CAN’T hold up!
Bruney warming up.
Cano, that ball was almost on the floor. Don’t swing at balls like that, you putz!
I’m still pissed how Alex takes the HBP, KO that pitcher next time !
Meanwhile we might see Coca Cola tonight.
I don’t get it Nate, are you under some obligation to “support the team?” Blackmail, perhaps?
koo
Well that was fun
Matsui voted best non-English speaking teamate on Yankees and is given a 3 year extension for 39 million dollars, which includes offseason classes in English.
Bruney coming in…Probably Veras/Marte in the 8th…
“On the verve”, Nate? Try “on the verge”.
“I’m still pissed how Alex takes the HBP, KO that pitcher next time !”
Well, if there was actually a play at the plate there, you better believe A-Rod wasn’t going to be sliding.
Unless, there is a big year-end move to close the gap, even if we don’t make, big changes will be made….on the field, possibly in the dugout (not Joe G. though) and upstairs. There is a brand new stadium to fill, sponsors to keep happy and willing to pay the big bucks, and the YES advertising community. If the Mets take the field in October and we don’t, the problem is further exacerbated.
No one’s got a gun to your head, Nate.
Go ahead – jump – we’ll just call it thinning the herd.
next year’s lineup:
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Nady 1B
Posada C?
Cano 2b
UNKNOWN CF
UPDATE, 11:53 p.m.: There’s a reason the Mariners are even worse than the Yankees. They go up 3-2 then give up three runs. They’ve used four pitchers in this inning so far.
Hey Pete. Have a little faith, ok?
It doesn’t cost too much.
“I’m still pissed how Alex takes the HBP, KO that pitcher next time !”
You might be happy but it might mean Betemit at 3rd for 4 or 5 games. Would it be worth it?
DFOX I understand that but next time he needs to throw some combos it’s obvious they expect him to do nothing that’s why they continue to throw in on him !
Can we get 9 quick outs here – I have to be waaaaaaaaay downtown by noon tomorrow
You might be happy but it might mean Betemit at 3rd for 4 or 5 games. Would it be worth it?
not Betemit, but Ransom. Betemit is done in the field.
Yep, Angel. Time to cull the curs from the board.
I forgot that we go to LAA from here. Oh, joy!
Matsui speaks perfect English. Pretending he doesn’t just keeps the media away. It’s a secret so don’t tell Pete.
Hey Laura-Just kidding-Abreu for 4 more years, Giambi and Matsui for 3 more. Yankees must get younger and rid themselves of DH’s and future DH’s.
Marte and not Joba is warming. I hope that doesn’t mean that Joba’s hurt.
Nice inning by Bruney…
There was no intent to hit Rodriguez.
Mo has to pitch tonight, right? I mean, even if it’s a non-save situation, or a blow out. It’s been 8 days since he has thrown in a game.
“DFOX I understand that but next time he needs to throw some combos it’s obvious they expect him to do nothing that’s why they continue to throw in on him !”
Haha, but I mean he does more than let’s say someone like Damon… If Damon got hit with that pitch, he would have smiled, told the pitcher it was OK, then when he got to home plate he would have shaken the catchers hand to show there were no hard feelings.
That’s the only thing I don’t like about Damon. His smiling after the strikeouts, sometimes he seems uncompetitive and he never wants to rub the opponents the wrong way. That’s one thing A-Rod is never afraid to do.
Marte and not Joba is warming. I hope that doesn’t mean that Joba’s hurt.
He’s not throwing 3-4 times a week, this is not about a BP role.
My sense (FWIW) is that neither Abreu nor Giambi will be re-signed, Matsui will either be traded, spend a lot of time on the DL, or simply fade away as his skills will continue to deteriorate exponentially, Damon will still be around doing some time at first base, DH’ing, in the OF a little, doing binkies as he imitates a bunny rabbit chasing flyballs.
Joba warming up.
Well here we go Joba for the 8th instead of Coke ?
“There was no intent to hit Rodriguez.”
Not tonight, but there is no way that he’s been hit all of these times by accident. At some point, he’s going to have to send a message to these pitchers that they need to get over their jealousy of his paycheck or he’s going to go out there and beat the crap out of them.
Yaaay.
Pat, your signal is ahead of mine. I read your comment before they showed him on my TV.
Shhhh Laura. You’re only allowed to use that word when saying my name, otherwise its a swear word.
Jobaman warming up..It is soo nice to be able to watch him pitch again..especially since there is nothing else to look forward to this year with this team.
Brandon Morrow went 7 2-3 innings before he allowed his first hit in his first major league start Friday night against the Yankees. It has been more than 40 years since a pitcher went that long with a no-hitter in his first career start in the major leagues. Boston’s Billy Rohr went 8 2-3 innings without allowing a hit on Opening Day in 1967 at Yankee Stadium. Elston Howard ruined the no-no by lining a 3-2 pitch to right field for a single.
Since Rohr’s gem was pitched on Opening Day at Yankee Stadium, several dignitaries witnessed this event. According to the New York Times, the following people were present at that game: New York City Mayor John Lindsay, Senator Jacob Javits, Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy and her son John Jr., Baseball Commissioner William Eckert and his predecessor Ford Frick and American League President Joe Cronin.
I’m sure that Giambi is done in pinstripes. My position is that you can’t get rid of these big RBI guys (i.e. Abreu and Matsui) unless you are going to bring in some “shut them down” pitching. If we continue to have mediocre pitching, we will have to rely on our hitters to bash their way to wins. We need guys like Abreu and Matsui to do that. If they don’t get the pitching situation straightened out, they have to keep both Abreu and Matsui. 100+ RBI guys don’t grow on trees.
Such a black cloud.
Man – I’m not sure you can get rid of both Giambi and Abreu – who’s going to lead the “pitch count raising”…
Marte 1st- to pitch to bottom lineup, then Joba?
Tack it on, Arod!
Another thing I like about Abreu – he ALWAYS runs hard down the line.
Bobby’s having a great night!
John Sterling: Damon swings ! and it’s loooong drive to center and it is caught.
Cano see what happens when you hustle to 1st base..Or even move faster then jogging.
that was a nice catch – nothing you can do there
It wasn’t really that nice of a catch. Just looked difficult because he let the ball play him. He stopped running hard for a little bit.
Amazingly balls off Alex’s bat seem to have extra umfhh on it when the game is decided.
Clare
Now I know why some people seem to be a pitch behind what I’m seeing. I just thought they were slow typers.
I’m rooting for a quick innings and Joba back for the 9th.
I will be happy when we leave SEA so that I can stop hearing those damn trains!!
Let me know when I’ve complained about that enough.
I think the Yanks will definitely bring Abreu back as long as he is reasonable in what he is asking for. 1 year with an option..maybe 2. Nothing more then that. Giambi no chance. Matsui will probably be in and out of the lineup. You cant get rid of Giambi and Abreu and have no one to replace them with.
Or, at that point in the game, its usually the crappy pitches throwing pitches that can be hit in that manner.
In evaluating the feasibility of re-signing Abreu, management will consider the fact that he bats behind 2 successive 300 hitters with high OBP and in front of the esteemed Arod who is generally considered the best (not by me though) hitter in baseball. So, runners are usually on base when he is at bat, and since Arod is on deck he will generally get good pitches to hit. This should translate to 100+ RBIs over the course of a season, for any decent 3-hole hitter. Given his wall-phobic ventures and other in the field foibles (which have the Yankees dearly…ask any member of the pitching staff), management can do better. 16 mil a year???
c’mon Joba – no walks
“have extra umfhh on it when the game is decided.”
His out in the first inning was hit pretty well. He seems to have a better approach lately just not better results.
Re: Singleton on Joba.
I’d rather they start Joba in the rotation next year and then move him to the bullpen later if necessary when the innings build up.
That way if there’s an injury mid-season, he can still reach the innings cap, and you have all spring training to build him up to be a starter, and not have to transition mid-year.
Jobaman is bringing it tonight…
*pitchers
“This should translate to 100+ RBIs over the course of a season, for any decent 3-hole hitter.”
I think you are underestimated Bobby as a hitter. Yeah, any decent 3 hole guy should be able to hit in front of Alex, but will he have the eye and the patience that Bobby does? I’m not so sure.
That Giambi “flip” was hilarious.
Laura
I used to live in an apartment that had train tracks right behind it so I’m immune to the sound. When I was on the phone people used to always ask what that sound was and I didn’t even hear it until they pointed it out.
Grrrrrrrrrr. I don’t think we get Joba in the 9th now no matter what.
“I used to live in an apartment that had train tracks right behind it so I’m immune to the sound. When I was on the phone people used to always ask what that sound was and I didn’t even hear it until they pointed it out.”
My TV plays through my home theater system so that might be why it sounds so loud to me.
Yeah, that 91-92mph fastball is blistering…they should just shut him down, shoulder injuries are not something to play with and Yankees medical staff hasn’t be great at dealing with them in recent history.
Mo warming up
Get Mo up in the bullpen…
c’mon Joba
Nick
Rivera hasn’t pitched in 8 days. There is no way anyone besides Mo is pitching the 9th even if the score is 23-3 Yankees.
“Yeah, that 91-92mph fastball is blistering”
You know what you call it when Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy hit 93mph? Christmas come early.
He’s probably under instructions not to overexert his arm, not to mention the fact he hasn’t pitched in a decent amount of time – did that thought occur to you?
Is Joba 100% yet?
It doesn’t look like it to me…what do you guys think?
Bring in Mo..I think Girardi is going too long with him. I hope Joba’s arm is ok…..He is throwing 91???!!!
Damon at least needs to let the guys who can throw the ball pick it up when they are right there.
Why does Johnny constantly cut in front of outfielders with a stronger arm than his? Maybe just maybe the runner would have held at second with Bobby throwing.
“Damon at least needs to let the guys who can throw the ball pick it up when they are right there.”
I agree. These last couple of games, he’s picked up balls that either Nady or Abreu were close to and threw the ball in rather weakly. Let the guys with the cannons throw the ball in, especially Abreu.
Pete ask noddle arm why he doesn’t let Bobby pick up the ball when he is right there. Actually why he cuts in front of Bobby to pick up the ball.
why is YES airing a mets commerical? ugh…
Joba is definitely not right and the Yankees have been terrible at dealing with injuries this year, especially shoulders. Having him amped up in relief is just asking for problems, shut him down and stop jerking him around. Start Joba next year as a starter and turn the page.
I sometimes think those radar guns for fans on TV are more trouble than theyre worth. Just more material for the armchair GMs to base their comments on.
Hello Mo
Ariel, you wasted a lot of type just to be wrong on virtually everything you said about Abreu. The Yanks had another heavy hitter hitting third before Abreu. He’s exactly the type of hitter that belongs in the 3rd spot. He takes a lot of pitches has some power and a lot of extra base hits, runs well and steals bases and produces runs. You can’t take a Molina and put him there and expect the same production.
oh – didn’t realize it was a save situation…
Dynasty, I think it’s pretty obvious that Joba isn’t good enough to be the 8th inning guy anymore. He just doesn’t have that magic. Better he should be a starter, that’s what the not-quite-good-enough-to-set-up guys do.
Grrrrr, Joba, not even a full inning from you! You need to get to 100!
If Joba is not 100% then I don’t understand why he’s out there…
Would any other pitcher be sent out there if they weren’t 100%?
Its ALL about the MPH, Nick.
You don’t need the gun to tell he’s not the same. The slider doesn’t have the same sharpness and his fastball is missing that extra zip. While 91-93 and top of 95 is still above average, Joba in relief when healthy is 96+ and topping at 100. Something is not right.
SEA must have like 15 guys in their bullpen.
The best way to get Joba back to normal is to let him pitch a minimum of 10 innings between now and the end of the season.
I think they bring up all 40 on the roster…it’s what they get for having to play for the Mariners
Laura, those trains are right behind the third base stands and it’s pretty open, there and the station on the other side keeps the sounds bottled up. Also, besides echoing in the park, the field mics are amplifying everything, but, yeah, those air horns are loud.
WOW, calm down?
Joba only struck out one of the best hitters of all time on 3 pitches. And then Giambi couldn’t flip a ball that Cano flips and makes 99% of the time.
All you people who are worried about his health, what would you like him to do? Come in after not throwing for a month and max effort the ball to try to impress the radar gun?
I find it even more impressive that he could get outs with not really having much. I wouldn’t call 2 bloop hits getting pounded.
Calculating:
Let’s assume the Yankees win, so there are 20 games left for the Yankees and 21 for the Red Sox, Now the Yankees will have to go 18-2 and the Red Sox 11-10 just to tie the Red Sox for the wild card at 94-68. (you know what? the best hope might be a Rays collapse, where the Red Sox win the Division and the Rays fall all the way down for The Yankees to take the wild card assuming either the Twins or White Sox doesn’t do much better and that seems more duable than the Yankees to go 18-2 and the Red Sox 11-10.
“There’s a reason the Mariners are even worse than the Yankees.”
Man, Peter your blog is a GREAT source of info and a valuable resource but I hate this snarky crap from you sometimes.
Just how many pitchers does Riggleman have at his disposal? I’m half-expecting to see Lee Guetterman toe the rubber next.
And by the way, that Pudge trade was a HUGE mistake.
“Also, besides echoing in the park, the field mics are amplifying everything, but, yeah, those air horns are loud.”
Glad to see that I’m not imagining things. Well, I am imagining some things, but not that!!
I well know that in speculating what next year’s roster will look like (who goes, who stays) there is a compelling sense that some will return based upon simple numbers and an absense of a replacement…specifically, Abreu. When all is said and done, I sense that Manny will be in pinstripes, some time in LF and the rest DH’ing. He is a far better fielder than he is given credit for…he goes back very well on the ball, hits the gaps and is not afraid of diving for the sinking liner….not like our guys. In fact, when the ESPN re-run played ad naseum it was the result of Manny aggressively attempting to catch the ball but actually fell on it as he rolled over. Most would not have tried. As the 4 hole hitter, AROD (who is here for another 9, like it or not) would be re-invented; he is friends with him and would learn from him to “follow the ball” and not guess, and would get some good pitches…who was Big Papi before he came to Boston and was inserted IN the batting order before Manny. Manny has gotten a bum rap..Boston is known for treating its “fallen stars” shabbily. Think Clemens, Pedro, Nomar, and possibly Mo Vaughn. A slam dunk? No. A thinking man’s decision, yes.
“And by the way, that Pudge trade was a HUGE mistake.”
I wouldn’t say it was a huge mistake. I would say that it was a trade that didn’t work out as planned for either team. Make no mistake – Pudge is not the reason the Yankees aren’t performing. They weren’t performing before he came. He just became yet another player under-performing.
“that Pudge trade was a HUGE mistake.”
Do you miss Kyle that much? More a wash than a HUGE mistake.
We have a McDonald’s here next to the rail line and crossing here. The trains have to blow their horns at each intersection. I don’t know if you’ve ever had your window down to order something at a drive thru and had a train blow its air horn less than 15 feet from your ear – bloody loud is an understatement. It renders any attempt to order for the next 5 minutes until the train passes useless. The only good thing about the noise is it drowns out the unavoidable expletives that would otherwise be heard by the person on the other end of the McDonald’s drive thru speaker.
“When all is said and done, I sense that Manny will be in pinstripes, some time in LF and the rest DH’ing.”
Not a chance in hell. The day Manny becomes a Yankee is the day I have to consider walking away from the team. The Yankees would be absolutely insane to give Manny 25 mil for 4 years.
We never lost when Mini-Mo was around. Damn you, Cashman.
Girardi said that they are pitching Joba to build up his innings for next year. What are they going to build up 8 innings? It is ridiculous already. They need to just put him in the rotation next season and when he hits his inning limit that is it he is done for the season. They can’t keep moving him from the rotation to the bullpen, bullpen to the rotation it is crazy and it will hurt his arm. In spring training it takes 6 weeks to build up your arm the Yanks did it to him this season in less then a month.
so I understand getting the kids abs (esp when they are call ups), but did Cairo really need to PH here?
the timing of the pudge trade was bad.
the pitchers were getting comfotrable with molina and had to adjust to pudge.
putting a new catcher in after a 7 or 8 game winning streak was very risky.
I agree that Joba should start next season in the rotation.
If he’s not ready to give max effort than he shouldn’t be out there. When pitchers try to change what they are used to it is asking for trouble.
The reason for concern is that with shoulder injuries the first thing to go is velocity, unlike elbow injuries which can be hidden a bit until something snaps. My playing up to and in college led to my shoulder being shredded, so I know the symptoms first hand and was one of the first predicting Posada was done for the season. I’m just worried Joba might be hiding discomfort since he’s young and wants to be out there.
Put that one in the win column!
‘Night all.
yay Mo
I think Pettitte’s son is there.
Pettite’s son is a bat boy (a la Mini Mo)
When I left it was a tidy little 2-0 game. But ugly wins are nice, too.
Sid did a pretty good job for the first 5 innings. He must’ve missed me. I’m 1 of his 2 supporters in the world. 1 of 4 if you count his parents.
Susan is screaming at Mo in her interview..my god does she need some time off.
I don’t know, JMAC. The only reason I’m not as concerned is because I recall the exact same concerns from people in spring training – “but he’s not throwing 100mph!!” was a common refrain on this board.
Throwing that kind of velocity, isn’t something that isn’t readily done when you come off a period of time where you haven’t piched frequently/consisently on some kind of schedule.
His parents? Not if they’re Yankee fans.
Stanfurd down 41-17. What a great day for Nick in SF teams.
GreenBeret,
You can certainly disagree with my view, but use some common sense in your disputation. Molina as the example? I did not say Abreu was not a good 3 hole hitter..in fact he is…if you choose to re-read my comments and not spew out bald statements, you will note that I stated rather clearly the other reasons why Abreu, in my opinion, probably will not, or should not, be re-signed, and that for any 3-hole in the Yankee lineup 100+ should be the norm.
I also recall your erroneous comments of a few days ago regarding Tommy Henrich and his well-earned reputation as a clutch hitter. You used King Kong as your example of parity in the clutch. In point of fact, Keller was one of my favorites but he was not on a par with Henrich, especially in 49, the year the moniker was coined by Mel Allen. Keller was hurt most of that season and rarely played if at all. Get your facts straight.
Angel, did you think I was saying Joba needs to throw 100 MPH?
I don’t care if he throws 55 MPH, it’s 100 INNINGS that he needs to get to.
Oh okay that explains it. thanks. Shouldn’t he be in school though?
“If he’s not ready to give max effort than he shouldn’t be out there. When pitchers try to change what they are used to it is asking for trouble.”
You don’t get it… A human being can’t stop throwing a baseball for a MONTH and then come back and start throwing 100mph right away. You have to start somewhere… You can never throw max effort right after coming back, you have to BUILD strength. It’s not a difficult concept. You start out slow, and you build strength. If he was throwing 85, then maybe you could be worried. But consistently hitting 93 and a little higher in your second appearance back after a month off isn’t anything to worry about. It’s being human. He went through the same thing after coming back from the bereavement list.
Also, Joba STATED last time that his mechanics were completely off and he’s working on getting them back. So not only does he not have full strength yet, he has skewed mechanics, and he STILL hits 93.
Hope it’s just rustiness…but coming off shoulder “tendinitis” or whatever the official line was just makes me wonder.
I’m not sure why they are even taking the chance with him. I’d shut him down, why risk him trying to do too much and causing more damage. Season is over anyway.
Best way to shake off the rust is to pitch more innings. Why not have Joba try to pitch 2 or 3 the next time? Get him over 100 INNINGS.
How many innings has Joba thrown this season ?
I do get it, I’ve played ball and been through rehab…but the rehab should not be done on the ML level coming off shoulder problems.
If the Yankee staff rushed him back at not a 100% with absolutely no chance of making the playoffs, that is the epitome of stupidity. And if his mechanics are off, that is another reason to shut him down as that is a one way ticket to injury.
The problem with bringing players back too soon is that they aren’t near game strength and they try to do too much. Which is why it is a terrible idea to rehab on the ML level where the game is that much faster. I just question the way the Yankees staff have handled Joba.
He is now at 91, I think. He needs 9 more, minimum.
btw, not cool @ the fake ‘mel’ who posted @ 11:34 p.m.
“And if his mechanics are off, that is another reason to shut him down as that is a one way ticket to injury.”
Wait, so your solution to getting your mechanics back in line is not pitching for 6 months? That aught to fix them! You’re a real pitching genius. I’m afraid to see what Joba would look like in spring training after not throwing in a game for 6 months. You think his speeds are low now, it would be interesting to see if he could even hit 80 if they followed your plan.
“The problem with bringing players back too soon is that they aren’t near game strength and they try to do too much. Which is why it is a terrible idea to rehab on the ML level where the game is that much faster. I just question the way the Yankees staff have handled Joba.”
Get your argument straight. One minute you want him to hit 100 on every pitch, and the next he’s throwing 93 yet that’s “trying to do to much”. It should be obvious that he’s NOT trying to do too much. 93 is his stroke fastball. He needs to pitch in games.
I’d have nightmares thinking about what he’d go through in spring training after a 6 month vacation.
Sidney
I worked fast and threw strikes…we won the game and that’s what was important…3 more weeks to go and I need to finish strong…Eiland was in my ear tonight telling to trust my sinker…Defense was good tonight…I worked hard in the bullpen and Pudge kept reminding me to keep my front shoulder in…I’m hapy I stayed under control today and let my sinker do the talking.
DFox, I agree with you mostly, and I want Joba to be pitching right now and don’t think it’s a huge risk, but I don’t think there would be any difference for him in Spring Training if he kept pitching for 3 more weeks or was shut down now. That’s silly.
According to Sterling Joba was hitting 94 mph still not his best IMO. I still would have shut him down (just saying)
“but I don’t think there would be any difference for him in Spring Training if he kept pitching for 3 more weeks or was shut down now. That’s silly.”
I don’t know… I mean SIX months without throwing in a game just seems so long to me. It might not make a huge difference, but at least he can build up a little strength now. You’re talking about a good extra month of pitching because he’s back now.
did not watch 1 minute of the game and did not check espn on my blackberry all night.
you know the season is over when I do that. I listen to games (saturday in Calif) on my car radio XM because of Fox and I probably watch 130 games or more a year..
Bad season but any win is a good one.
Moose get a W Sunday….
He’s coming off an injury to his shoulder which is serious. The Yankees have jerked him around this year between starting and relieving and there is not much time to the end of the year anyway. It’s risk vs. reward here, what benefit is it to Joba to pitch maybe 7-10 innings if he’s a.)not using good mechanics b.)just grooving his “stroke” fastball c.)coming off shoulder tendinitis which is an overuse injury that can lead to more serious issues.
The best bet with a tired shoulder is to shut it down, when the season is in the bag and no real reason to have him there. Regardless of the 7-10 innings he’d pitch he’d still have a lot of time off before ST. This time should be used to rest, heal, and then get ready for next year. Being healthy is the number one priority…not finding himself and risking injury before the end of this season.
“I’d have nightmares thinking about what he’d go through in spring training after a 6 month vacation.”
-Don’t all players have an offseason? Makes no sense.
Is it 6 months? When do pitchers and catchers report? Early February, right?
Anyway, putting 6 MONTHS in all caps doesn’t change things, we’re talking about a difference of 3 weeks, not 6 months. And we don’t know whether they’ll have Joba do something in between either.
It’s academic, he’s pitching and I think it’s correct that he’s pitching now. But the “I’d have nightmares if he shut it down now” isn’t the strongest argument.
“With Jason Giambi a free agent after the season, two Yankees outfielders said Saturday that they would be willing to play first base next season. Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon both said they could learn the position if needed, though catcher Jorge Posada might have to play there as he builds strength in his shoulder. “A lot of players at the end of their careers are able to do that,†Damon said. “I think being somewhat athletic might be able to help me adjust to that.â€
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/sports/baseball/07yankees.html?ref=baseball
“I mean SIX months without throwing in a game just seems so long to me. It might not make a huge difference, but at least he can build up a little strength now. You’re talking about a good extra month of pitching because he’s back now.”
Most pitchers will take a complete month off or so after the season to heal and rest up, some even longer (like Mo).After that they usually begin conditioning and weight training to build up strength and don’t usually start a true throwing program again until a month or two before ST starts. The 7-10 inning he’d pitch now have absolutely no bearing on strength for next year.
JMAC, the benefit of Joba getting to over 100 innings is that if he doesn’t, I have to give a buddy of mine $50. We had a bet about how Joba would do this year and he conceded the bet and paid me right before Joba’s injury. We had a 100 inning minimum to the bet.
“The best bet with a tired shoulder is to shut it down, when the season is in the bag and no real reason to have him there. Regardless of the 7-10 innings he’d pitch he’d still have a lot of time off before ST.”
It’s not a tired shoulder any more. The Yankee doctors said he was healthy, he said he was healthy, and Dr. Andrews said he was healthy. With the injury he had, an older starter most likely would have been out there for their next start. Sitting him down for a month was being cautious. If every doctor didn’t give them the green light, he wouldn’t be pitching.
“-Don’t all players have an offseason? Makes no sense.”
All players have an offseason from August to February? That’s news to me.
Interesting that these guys are all saying they’d play first base and not saying “We really need the Giambino back to play first base and entertain us in the locker room.”
Is it just 100% assumed in the clubhouse that he’s gone?
“We had a 100 inning minimum to the bet.”
Oh come on, your friend should be embarrassed if he doesn’t honor the best because of the innings limit. If Joba didn’t get hurt he’d probably be in the top running for ROY and maybe Cy Young.
Tell your friend if the Red Sox every produce a rookie pitcher that does what Joba does in his rookie year, you’ll give him his $50 back. That sounds fair and you’ll never have to give it back.
* BET
It’s late.
It’s still August? You will see a lot of players who have injuries or overuse issues start to shut it down now. The season is too long and an injury now would set back prepartion for next year.
Anyway, how great were those doctors who diagnosed Posada’s injury as shoulder tendinitis? The shoulder is notoriously hard to diagnose and I’d just rather use caution with Joba. They’ve got more to play for next year and shutting him down early would be playing it safe…that is my only argument. He may be fine and this will be all academic, but I just think taking a chance with shoulder “tendinitis” is one I’d rather not take.
My friend is actually a Yankee fan, but he’s a Yankee-fan-loathing Yankee fan that thinks he knows a lot more than he knows. Anyway, he already said he doesn’t want the $50 back, but I feel like it’s incumbent upon me to honor the ground rules of the bet as they were laid out before the season started. If he REALLY refuses the money, I won’t break my neck trying to make him take it, but I have to at least try.
I want to see Joba pitching more regardless. But I wouldn’t be shocked if they shut him down soon. Now would I be shocked if they didn’t.
If Joba is at 91 now that means he needs to pitch every other game (don’t really see them going much over avg. 1IP per appearance) to get that…I’m not sure he will. I just want him healthy next year and can’t be blamed for lack of trust in the Yankee medical staff.
JMAC, did any doctors actually diagnose Posada with that or was that just Yankee spin?
I’m not asking sarcastically, I don’t remember. But if Girardi or someone said that, it doesn’t man an actual doctor did.
“Is it just 100% assumed in the clubhouse that he’s gone?”
That was my thought too. Even his BFF Damon seems to be trolling the obituaries.
Damon made a comment before the trade line about the team needing to play better so we can all stay together. Maybe he thinks he could be headed out of town and being versatile is a way not to get traded in the off season.
trade line = trade deadine
Hmm, before the trade deadline the Yanks were on a legitimate trajectory to make the playoffs and, assuming they were a hot team (which they would have to be to make the playoffs, duh) they could theoretically have won the whole shebang — in which case ’staying together’ would be more conceivable. I guess.
Nick, from what I remember that was the official announcement from the Yankees. I’m sure Pete could chime in with the authenticity of that as I remember him making a comment referring to Joba’s injury as the same as Posada’s.
Having shadowed at a physical therapy office before deciding a different career and having my own shoulder issues (and playing ball with numerous other players with issues) the shoulder can be very hard to diagnose correctly. This is why you hear a lot of shoulder tendinitis stuff first. Usually any kind of tendinitis or problems with the shoulder are a sign of something potentially wrong or weakness that could portend more serious rotator cuff instability. Rest and rehab to build strength is recommended, but at this point of the season why bother? Just play it safe and get full rest to recover.
By the way, I love how local news teases stories. This is how they teases the Cal football game before the break:
“One Cal star has a big game, but was it enough to beat Washington State in Pullman?”
Cal won the game 66-3.
Interesting, JMAC, but I wonder if Posada had been checked out as extensively then as Joba was. Had he seen Dr. Andrews, for example?
I know people are taking a dim view of how the Yankees have handled pitchers in general and Joba in particular, but… I seriously doubt they would be letting him pitch at all if they thought there was any serious risk beyond the risk that taking the mound at all entails. Still, I think that those who would rather just shut him down have a legitimate point of view.
Jeez, body’s not even cold yet. Hideki and Damon both lobbying for Jason’s job yet.
As far as I’m concerned all the old guys can stick together. In an old folks home.
I think I remember Posada having visited Dr. Andrews, but it may have been after he realized he wasn’t getting better. Usually a trip to Dr. Andrews means there was something to indicate a possibility of more than tendinitis. He is one of the best, but regardless, if nothing big presented itself the usual course is rest and rehab and see what happens.
Just follow the timeline of Kerry Wood and Mark Prior for further evidence, usually it starts out as a “stiff” shoulder or something close and can lead to more if not carefully managed. Personally, I’m more pissed about the fact that Cashman has already stated that Joba will be in the pen starting next year. Might as well just blow his shoulder up now…and furthermore, what scrub are they going to waste half the season with before Joba becomes a starter?
I’m hoping that they’ll reconsider how to handle Joba next year and start him in the rotation.
mel, Hideki has a blushing young bride, he needs steady work.
ariel, I’m not going to argue of the nickname. Allen tagged him with a nickname, but, there is no indication or any record I’ve seen that would make Henrich any more of an “Old reliable” than Keller, just because Allen hung that name on his close friend. If you look at career numbers that ran virtually at the same time, except for the fact that Keller had close to 1,000 at bats less than Henrich. Just because Henrich got the name in a year that Keller missed a large portion because of a degenerative disc in his back does not make Henrich more clutch. I can post numbers by Keller in other years that Henrich was hurt, too. Keller also lost two prime years to the war that Henrich didn’t. In the end, they were virtually the same hitter. Henrich was probably the better defensive outfielder, although, those numbers were also close.
as far as abreu, short of replacing his bat at 7 years and 20 mil per for Teixiera, who’s going to replace him? Dunn? There’s none any better or cheaper than Abreu, and none that does wat he does. Other than the perceived “wall phobia”, what are these on field foibles you claim he has? Again, name a better bat for right field?
Nick,
If she can live with his video collection, I don’t think she’s capable of blushing.
That’s true, but it just reinforces my point; he has a bride AND a video collection to support.
Nah Nick. I was being sarcastic about those that were all “omigod noeeeees” about his velocity being down, not about anything you said.
three players who, if they came to the yankees, would make me follow only the minor league teams – bonds/ramirez/schilling
add Tex.
“Tell your friend if the Red Sox ever produce a rookie pitcher that does what Joba does in his rookie year, you’ll give him his $50 back”
Chamberlain: 12 starts, 4-3, BAA 2.36, 2.67/1.29
Masterson: 9 starts, 5-4, BAA 2.16, 3.20/1.23
As relievers:
Chamberlain: ERA 2.45
Masterson: ERA 2.19
Most importantly though, there are no “Masterson rules”. His arm is such that he doesn’t need to be babied.
Tell your friend he isn’t getting that $50 back.
When is the most overrated player in baseball history the greatest stat collector in all of sports history going to admit that this divorce of his is killing him?
and when is management going to realize their mistake in signing up not a baseball player but an entrepreneur with over a half dozen business interests with baseball being the least of his concerns?
In today’s game, it was the final appearance for Giambi in a Yankee uniform in his farewell tour.
Next stop, Anaheim.