Game 146: Yankees at Angels
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YANKEES (77-68)
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Molina C
Pettitte LHP
ANGELS (87-57)
Matthews Jr. CF
Anderson LF
Guerrero DH
Rivera RF
Morales 1B
Quinlan 3B
Napoli C
Wood SS
Rodriguez 2B
Moseley RHP
Andy Pettitte (13-12, 4.49) vs. the Los Angeles hitters.
Dustin Moseley (1-4, 7.90) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees are 5-4 on a road trip that ends today. … The Yanks are 37-37 on the road. The Angels are the only team in the AL with a winning record on the road. … The Yankees are 3-6 against Los Angeles this season.
EASY GIG: Mariano Rivera has pitched once on this road trip, getting a four-out save against Seattle on Saturday.
HIM, TOO: Joba Chamberlain has pitched twice for a total of two innings since he came off the disabled list Sept. 2.
If I had more, I’d write it. But it’s an early morning after a late night and you know that works. Back later with more updates.
UPDATE, 2:34 p.m.: OK, back from the clubhouse. Pudge Rodriguez and Torii Hunter each received two-game suspensions and fines for their fracas on Monday night. Both elected not to appeal and will serve their time. John Lackey also was fined for his actions.
Joe Girardi’s pre-game was fairly uneventful. He said the Yankees would probably have to win the rest of the games to make the playoffs. Seventeen in a row?
UPDATE, 2:40 p.m.: Only in California. The rapper Chris “Ludacris” Bridges is sitting in the row behind me in the press box. Stand Up is a great song. Get Back, too. Ludacris is working with Torii Hunter on a song that will be played when Torii hits. The idea is to get city kids more interested in baseball via music. Baseball needs to do a far better job of reaching out to those kids. It’s great that Torii is taking the initiative.
UPDATE, 4:02 p.m.: A somewhat sparse day game crowd here at The Big A. The Angels can clinch today, but not unless they win and Texas loses later on. So the Yankees probably won’t have to watch a celebration.
UPDATE, 4:26 p.m.: Forgot to mention this before. The clubhouse opened to the media at 9:05 a.m. today. There were three Yankees there: Chad Moeller, Pudge Rodriguez and Sidney Ponson. Everybody else was on the bus that left the hotel at 9:30.
Chad and Pudge are early morning workout guys. Sidney just seems to like being in the clubhouse. Anyway, at one point the clubhouse was empty except for Sidney Ponson sitting in a recliner watching Dumb and Dumber and laughing his head off. He could not have been happier.
UPDATE, 4:40 p.m.: Here’s an easy prediction for you: A-Rod will lead the AL in homers. Carlos Quentin has 36 and is out for the season. Miguel Cabrera and Alex have 33 and Jermaine Dye 32. Alex has 16 pressure-free games left, 10 at home. He’ll crush the ball. Bet he hits 37 or 38.
UPDATE, 5:03 p.m.: Cano is now 2 for his last 24. I predicted before this season that the Yankees would not make the playoffs, but it would be a step back to take two step forward because they would develop their young players. Instead their young players have gone in reverse under the new manager and coaching staff. Cano, Cabrera, Kennedy, Betemit, etc.
That’s the worse part of this, they have done nothing to improve their status for 2009.
UPDATE, 5:20 p.m.: This is quite a scene. The Angels have three regulars in the lineup along with a spot starter and are beating the Yankees 4-2 in the fifth inning. Do you think the Rally Monkey goes to Palm Springs to chill out when the Yankees come to town?
Now Pettitte is being taken out for Jose Veras with two outs. Im sure he’s thrilled about that.
UPDATE, 5:34 p.m.: Pettitte’s last nine starts: 54 innings, 74 hits, 39 earned runs, 18 walks, 45 strikeouts, 4 home runs. They need to think long and hard about whether to bring him back. Girardi said he believes Pettitte can be an effective starter next season. But he certainly can’t be one of their top three.
Meanwhile, the last seven Yankees have gone in order.
UPDATE, 6:28 p.m.: The Yankees have not had a hit since the fourth inning and have struck out 11 times so far. A 5-5 road trip isn’t bad given who they played. But after winning the first three games, going 2-5 wasn’t what they were looking for.
This also would be the 46th time they have scored two or fewer runs.
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not too impressed with aceves
reminds me of a rich man’s jeff karstens— throws strikes, works quick etc. he only had 2 Ks in 7 innings so hi stuff obviously isin’t very good.
remember, giambi said matt desalvo had filthy stuff.
Joba doesn’t look the same… just shut him down and send him to winterball to get innings.
King Felix, no one expect Aceves to be an ace.
AZ, you’re right, Joba didn’t look very good last time out, but I imagine he’ll get stronger as he comes back from the injury.
If Giambi said that someone had filthy stuff, he could have been making an off-field reference.
I kid!
Re-post from end of last thread:
Congrats, Jorge, that must have been lots of fun watching the game in the Yucatan.
TKinDC: the spread is Cal -14.5. What say you? Wager?
There’s a poll on mlb.com on who the best closer in the AL East is. 38% Mo, 37% Pap. Disgusting.
Can anyone offer a theory on why Papelbon’s throwing 99% fastballs? Has he always thrown that many or is there a reason why a pitcher doesn’t even attempt to establish his off-speed stuff?
Papelbon is over rated… we heard it at the Stadium! LOL
Joba needs to pitch more. You don’t gain your strength and control back by riding the pine. He should be doing some 3 inning relief roles to get the longer outings and innings in to finish up the season.
I really don’t think the Yankees are showing they know how to develop young pitchers. This is a big concern and one they need to fix.
Hey Pete,
Any chance Hughes starts Friday at the Stadium if Scranton wraps up their series in 3 games?
I mean a t this point, what purpose does sending Ponson out there serve?
Why not give Hughes some much needed experience in some meaningless games?
I think the strike outs are a bit over rated. Too many pitches need to be thrown for that.
Aceves isn’t projected to be a top of the rotation pitcher, he pitches to contact and has shown very good control. Give me a pitcher like him over someone like Cabrera who never seems to know where the ball is going.
Aceves can be a useful arm in the rotation, a different look which helps keep batters off balance in a series.
2 things
“reminds me of a rich man’s jeff karstens”
What does this mean? Does he remind you of Karstens? Why “rich mans”? Is Aceves expensive?
“remember, giambi said matt desalvo had filthy stuff.”
Ok This coming from a person who refers to himself as “Big G”. Anybody who throws a breaking ball has “filthy stuff” in the world of Jason Giambi.
WARNING TO ALL WHO ENTER MY LAIR OF ACEVES WORSHIP:
I WILL DEFEND ACEVES TO THE DEATH! or at least until he stinks up the joint and I look foolish.
“TKinDC: the spread is Cal -14.5. What say you? Wager?”
I say the line is more than a little light!
Giambi also called Hughes the ‘baby Rocket’.
Clearly talent evaluation isin’t his strong suit. Still a nice guy though.
“Can anyone offer a theory on why Papelbon’s throwing 99% fastballs? ”
It is a common side effect of VD
“Yankees are the runaway winner of the most hated team in sports on this morning’s poll question.”
I think that’s a very good sign that the Yankees are still considered the top team in sports (thought not necessarily this year of course.) You have to really be tops for a very long time to earn the title of “most hated.” The Patriots are a WAY newcomer!
Cool.
Just matching my home and work taglines.
what’s the pitching matchup in the Trenton Thunder game tonight?
Christian Garcia vs J.D. Martin
TK, so you’re saying you’d rather take Cal and give the points than take the Terps and the points — in a betting, not rooting sense?
Or, no wager?
gKp -
from ‘Thunder Thoughts’
Game 1: TRE Eric Hacker vs. AKR Kevin Dixon
Game 2: TRE Christian Garcia vs. AKR J.D. Martin
Game 3: AKR Ryan Edell vs. TRE George Kontos
Game 4: AKR Frank Herrmann vs. TRE Jeff Marquez
Game 5: AKR TBD vs. TRE Jason Jones
Aceves isn’t projected to be a top of the rotation pitcher, he pitches to contact and has shown very good control. Give me a pitcher like him over someone like Cabrera who never seems to know where the ball is going.
This is where we need to calm down, if he can be packaged w/ Kennedy for say Jarrod Saltalamaachia and Neftali Feliz or a James Looney or a Conor Jackson or a Jeremy Hermida/Scott Olsen you let him go.
I would love for the yankees to go after loney
I’d love Joey Votto or Looney or Laporta, who knows what the hell they go after I know who I wouldn’t want.
Nick in SF –
They could send the MTSU vs Terps tape to Gitmo to elicit info from the bad guys, but the Supreme Court would step in and pronounce it cruel and unusual punishment (mostly cruel)
I think the spread should be larger (by 5 points) – any chance this is a trap game for the Golden Bears?
Brandon, what the heck do you even mean by that? “this is where we need to calm down”
Really you have gone off the deep end. Your tag line is down right silly, your trade proposals will never come about, and you get overly invested in a kid who has shown nothing much.
I never said anything about him being forever in the rotation. I said I would prefer having a pitcher who actually knows how to pitch over a pitcher who just throws the ball.
Speaking of calming down, your rants over the last few days seem to say YOU are the one who needs to calm down. Or get back on meds.
Nick,
Jason should know. He definitely has that Linus thing going.
Macnut,
Girardi runs his bullpen by giving his guys regular work. Having Joba back with the Yankees is probably 2 fold: He jumps into his old role and it probably placates him. He’d probably have cabin fever if he wasn’t with the team.
I don’t think they’re pitching him for extended innings because they’re erring on the side of caution. And at this point they don’t need pitchers to pitch meaningful games.
Unfortunately, this gives some insight on how they’ll use Joba in the beginning of ‘09: as a reliever. I prefer to see him start because that’s what he is and using him so sparingly will only retard his progress in ‘10.
What are his winter plans?
I saw Pete’s piece today on Pettitte. Yanks should not bring him back next year. They need to sign (or trade for) two big starters. Then round out the rotation with Wang, Joba and Mussina. There’s no room for Pettitte.
If the Yankees and the Dodgers did a merger they’d be a perfect team, based on the 25-man and coachin staff alone.
I wish theyd stop over babying joba and just let him pitch. When is this guy going to have full season of starts? 2010? unbelievable…
He’ll probably be too “old” by then in the minds of some these minor league fans on here. They’ll want to trade him for some 19yr old high school because he played so well against…… other high school kids.
“Can anyone offer a theory on why Papelbon’s throwing 99% fastballs? â€
When I read that this morning it did make me wonder if Pap was having some sort of an injury issue.
TK, it could surely be a trap game. The Bears are riding very high after the 66-3 (”Rout 66″ was one headline) trouncing of Washington St. at the Palouse, which is usually a house of horrors for us.
They’ll be flying cross-country the day before with visions of their own press clippings and highlight reels in their heads and then have to wipe away the cobwebs for what will feel like a 9:00 a.m. start time. And the game is on one of the ESPN’s, I think, which adds to the trap-i-ness. SO who knows.
That said, I’ll be taking Cal and giving the poins and linking Cal with U$C in a teaser. Yikes.
As much as a blow the hitters were in clutch this season.
Pettite was awful as well he was not the stopper we are used to seeing him be… i don’t need him back he could go rat out Texas… moose is another story his is the MVP of our team if not him we would already been eliminated!
Mel, meaningful or not, they are hindering Joba’s development as a pitcher. If they aren’t going to pitch him enough for him to get in more innings, then shut him down.
The Yankees have jerked him around in the roles they are giving him and its entirely different mindsets. That is not helping Joba with anything.
There is being too careful as well. He needs to pitch, to get in innings, or if he isn’t healthy enough, then to be shut down.
The Yankees have not shown they know how to bring up young talent in a starter role. They blew it with Hughes, Kennedy and to some degree Joba.
Nick: I’ll take the Terps.
Some of you asked me whether I would retire the name, if its inspiration retired.
I think we now know that the Reichsmarshall Curt Von Schilling will provide sufficient reason to retain it for the forseeable future.
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I can’t fathom what the Yankees think they’re doing with Joba. But if the goal is to increase his innings in preparation for next year, they certainly haven’t chosen the most effective strategy.
From the outset, their plan of returning him to bullpen, after activating him, sounded like the less sound of the two alternatives. It left Joba’s appearances to the mercy of game situations. And now, as a consequence, he’s pitched two innings in a week.
Renewing the extension program, on the other hand, at the very least, would have guaranteed him a set number of innings. At this point, what’s the difference if the season expired before he was ready.
September of 2008 has been about April of 2009 since the last homestand ended.
When do release your 4 star lock of the month?
If the Terps beat the number, I’ll send you a barrel of fish. Deal?
Brandon,
Perhaps you should calm down with your crazy trade proposals.
Texas will slam the phone down if you ask for Neftali and Salty for Aceves and Kenndy.
Aceves and Kennedy isnt getting you top tier talent so just cut the malarkey already.
Brandon, what the heck do you even mean by that? “this is where we need to calm downâ€
Really you have gone off the deep end. Your tag line is down right silly, your trade proposals will never come about, and you get overly invested in a kid who has shown nothing much.
I never said anything about him being forever in the rotation. I said I would prefer having a pitcher who actually knows how to pitch over a pitcher who just throws the ball.
Speaking of calming down, your rants over the last few days seem to say YOU are the one who needs to calm down. Or get back on meds.
What in the blue hell are you talking about !
Your telling me I can’t package an Alfredo Aceves w/ Ian Kennedy but you’d rather deal Cano in that package, Cano is at a low value right now, You sell him at his peak if you want something for him which clearly is not now. Alfredo Aceves is not a #1 not a #2 not a #3 or 4 he most likely is a #5 if you can sell him fora premium prospect you do it.
Rebecca: name the stakes and I’ll take Cal. Moose Bars works for me, but should a struggling student be gambling?
TK: I think you have things backwards: I’m supposed to pay YOU if the Terps cover the number. Because I’m not taking the Maryland side of the bet! And crab is the proper payment, not fish. Better yet, Berger Cookies. Mmmmmm.
http://www.bergercookies.com/
raymagnetic you never know unless you make the proposal, Salty’s stock is low, Neftali has some control issues and is in AA ball they could sell low on him for a now pitcher, ofcourse Kennedy/Aceves wouldn’t get it done doesn’t mean you don’t attempt to pick up that phone and make the proposals.
Mac Nut,
Other organizations have brought up pitchers the same way. Some did well, some flamed, and others went back for more seasoning.
It’s not how they did it. It’s where they did it. New York. You don’t have the luxury of leaving a pitcher in to get out of his own mess and learn in the process (all pitchers need this, no matter how they’re developed). They have such a quick hook because the Yankees need to win for their impatient fan base and ownership. Thus pitchers are thinking too much, trying to be perfect.
I’m sure there were 3 people who said that Kennedy & Hughes weren’t going to make it. Otherwise everyone was on board because they had good showings in the fall.
Nick,
I thought this was for entertainment purposes only.
I don’t know much about Maryland except that they’re a good basketball school. So I would take Cal and the points (did I say that right?)
What’s USC’s line? I smell a bloodbath. The Ohio State will wish it stayed east of the Rockies.
The Yanks for sure need good a couple of good pitchers and a good defensive/hitting CF if they are going to compete for WS 09. There are some possiblities, however they do need to get younger. Here is one proposal:
Gimbi-FA
Abreu-FA
IRod-FA
Yanks sign CC, AJ Burnett and O. Hudson as free agents
There are a couple of trade scenarios I would consider; one with Colorado:
Yanks get: M Holliday & W Taveras
Colorado get: Cano, Cabrera, A. Jackson, J. Damon or Matsui (Yanks would pick up 1/2 09 salary for JD or Matsui
and the other with SD:
Yanks get: J Peavy
SD get: Hughes, Igawa, Veras
This would give the Yanks three young, good starting pitchers and three young, relatively cheap good hitting outfielders who can play decent defense.
Second base would not suffer much drop offensively, and defensively it would be a trade off.
“I’m supposed to pay YOU if the Terps cover the number. Because I’m not taking the Maryland side of the bet!”
Syntax my problem is.
I actually do grasp the concept. I will not compound the mistake of being a Terps fan by contributing to the sweet tooth of a Golden Bear. But I’ll be there in the rain until the game is decided.
mel, if you take Cal you have to *give* the points. They’re favored to win by 14.5. But there’s a wild card in all this. According to the headline in my morning paper:
“Players enthused by cutting down of trees”
The athletics department missed a good fundraising opportunity, I think a lot of Cal alums would have donated money to get 5 minutes with a chainsaw and those trees!
I think the U$C line is 10.5.
TK, I really wanted to attend that game and couple it with a last visit to Yankee Stadium. Alas, my dad and step-mom are visiting the west coast right now, so the timing for me to head east is all wrong. So I won’t be able to let you buy me a beer this time.
Fatcessa:
“Next year is put up or shutup time for Hughes.. he is not on the untouchable list anymore”
Put up or shutup at the age of 22.. haha
Eat some more cheeseburgers
Nick: How about dum dum lollipops? I’m almost out and I leave on the things.
Brandon,
I don’t know much about trade scenarios, but I think I know enough to figure out that Cano/Fielder would never happen.
ET,
You’re trading the whole house. But at least your scenarios have a chance because you’re actually giving up something.
Pretty sure that Jackson and Hughes are off limits at this moment. Hughes will be the top pitcher (redux) in the minors. Yes, I’ve heard of David Price. But I doubt he’s a prospect for long. Willy Taveras? Isn’t he a Houston reject?
Eat some more cheeseburgers
w/ Diet Coke and his Bronso Arroyo bib
Nick – I don’t think you are going to be missing much of a game – the tickets fell into my lap so I’m going.
Look for me on TV – I’ll be the guy in the interlocking NY hat.
and by leave I mean live
I think I know enough to figure out that Cano/Fielder would never happen.
mel I think you meant someone else because I’m not in favor of dealing Robi and Fielder for Robi would never happen. (I mean Mil wouldn’t do that and that’s not a guy the Yankees need)
Brandon,
Nobody in baseball trades #4 and #5 starters and get back guys with big upsides. Its just not how its done.
A guy like Cano, even in a bad year, brings back more in a deal than an Aceves or a Kennedy.
Other teams have scouts too. They can see what a guy can and can’t do.
It isn’t just about making offers and hoping you fool somebody. Aside from Jim Bowden, the game is not full of incompetent GM’s. Its about making realistic proposals.
If you don’t, you don’t make deals.
Also, you have to remember to get something, you have to give up something. Giving up Kennedy and/or Aceves, or combos involving them, really don’t get you back much unless you include more pop in the proposals.
i don’t think USC covers the 10.5. Ohio saves their big chokes for bowl games.
I’d trade Kennedy before I trade Aceves. I’m hoping Kennedy restored some of his value that he lost this year by his AAA dominance.
And I would also hope Hughes this off-season for a young stud position prospect.
Chubby Shakes yes that stuff can work that fast. I’ll say it right now Delgado is on something.
pudge and Hunter has been suspended for two games they were also fined as well was John Lackey for their actions in the schuffle
“Can anyone offer a theory on why Papelbon’s throwing 99% fastballs? â€
well ,for one thing the pitching coach believes that a well located fastball is the key to pitching . when red sox pitchers are throwing a lot of fast balls ,it could simply mean they are getting back to basics.
Aceve may be a ok #5 pitcher, but, the best role and the Yankees for him may be as the new Ramiro Mendoza. Swing man, emergency starter and long man in relief. That’s where his real value would be. Much depends on the other starters, of course.
Geise has done a decent job, but, he’s no real answer for that position.
scuffle**
Nick in SF
Do you by any chance have a sweet tooth?
Always looking for good gift ideas and the Berger’s Cookies look interesting. The website doesn’t really tell what they are. Can you describe?
full story on Pudge/Hunter suspensions read full sotry on http://pinstripemania.blogspot.com/
Nick,
O/T Saw ‘Vantage Point’ last night. Feel kind of cheated, though. All the rewinding of the events. Clever vehicle, but not as good as ‘Crash’. Why did I not enjoy the movie very much (and I’m easily entertained)? Is it because Dennis Quaid was the protagonist and not Kevin Costner reprising his role as Frank Farmer? Did anyone like ‘Vantage Point’?
Brandon, first off, you can’t package anything for the Yankees and get it done. Only Cashman, or his replacement if he is gone, will do that.
No GM is going to give much for Aceves right now. He had one game. He did well, but its one game and some relief innings. Kennedy would garner more in trade, and his value is low.
Where did I say anything about Cano in my post? No where.
All I was saying was I prefer seeing a pitcher who has control and lesser stuff than having a pitcher who can throw hard but has no idea where the pitch is going.
Dream on about the Yankees getting LaPorta. The Braves traded Teixeira to get him, you would have to match that level to get him away from them. Ain’t gonna happen.
Mel, the other teams that have transitioned pitchers from the bullpen to the rotation didn’t do as the Yankees have done. Joba has shown success as a starter. He is being groomed as a starter, yet they have him as a starter in ST, then put him in the pen, then stretch him out, then shut him down for the injury and stretch that rehab out far longer than that injury required (unless they lied about what it really is) then reactivate him from regular throwing to sit him in the bullpen where he isn’t even being brought in for any innings.
That isn’t good management for his development.
Hughes and Kennedy being put in the rotation slots with no real back up for them wasn’t the strongest way to get them going either.
Yes, there is the win concern. Its why you don’t put them both in the rotation at the same time. You put in one.
Girardi doesn’t have all that quick a hook. He has left a number of pitchers in too long when they were losing their command. Besides that, at this point of the season, where this season is pretty much done, why not give the young arms innings against ML batters to see what they have.
Start the kids in the minors and get them innings of success. Transition them to the majors during the season to cover for injuries or take the place of ineffective pitchers of the rotation.
Look at how the Twins did things. That has shown it works better than how the Yankees did it. Cashman relied on the kids who are still developing to pitch like veterans. It didn’t work. Now he goes the complete other direction. Overly careful to a point where they are buried.
That is the wrong approach to take. Now is the perfect time to get the young arms innings that are meaningful for THEIR development. It isn’t going to help this season, in all likelihood, but this season is already lost unless there is Devine intervention.
This is the time to get in some work that will be useful for 2009. When winning games isn’t as important because it will only mean the difference of finishing third or fourth.
Randy,
Or, it could mean his shoulder is acting up and they are limiting the sliders and splits he throws because it puts too much stress on the shoulder.
I have a feeling its more of that than pitching philosophy. One of the things they wanted to do with him is to have him use his secondary pitches more (which he did earlier in the year) this season.
Some time back there was a ’spike’ of information about Pettite being hurt. He dismissed it and kept his spot.
Is there a chance he has been playing through injury simply because there was absolutely no one left to replace him? Should that be factored into the ‘bring him back’ discussions?
Leiter (or someone in the YES booth) said his cutter has no power to it.
guys nobody is giving us anything for bottom rotation starters like aceves and kennedy. our trade chips are hughes and cano, thats it.
guys like garcia, de la rosa, mcallister, heredia are not going to headline packages for good players either, the will be 4th players in a deal. what GM is going to give up a young ML ready position prospect for A ball pitchers? if guys like c-jackson, fielder, looney, kemp etc. are on the block, teams will offer far more than we can.
Projected Yankees Type A free Agents (link at bottom of Post): Bobby Abreu
Andy Pettitte
Mike Mussina
Damaso Marte
Type B: Ivan Rodriguez
Jason Giambi
Of course the link is titled “Projected Elias Rankings” and I don’t know if it is accurate. Here’s the link http://tigers-thoughts.blogspo.....kings.html
SJ Texas scouts have been at Kennedy’s SWB games, this was around the deadline according to some people. They have been interested in him before. As for Salty remember coming off injury, stock low you never know. Neftali would take a bit more but he’s in AA w/ less control more future upside.
I just heard the stupidest prosposal in history on WFAN
Philip Hughes and Robi Cano for Hanley Ramirez (WHAT
Rebecca, I don’t know what those are. Is that something I’m going to want? Because I think that Cal is going to, you know, win.
I wouldn’t mind a couple of those Dunkin Donuts Yankees cups! But I don’t know if that’s equal in value to the lollipops.
Brandon,
I’m sorry and so embarrassed. Not only was it not you, it was in the last thread.
I guess you’re not the only one with crazy trade ideas.
I agree re: the Yankees and pitching development.
These days, I tend to ignore anything they have to say on the subject because, truth be told, they have done a HORRIBLE job in this area and have for years.
Andy Pettitte and Chien Ming Wang. That’s the roster of homegrown starting pitchers developed by the Yankees since 1995.
Their minor league “studs”? Most have spent time (some considerable) on DL’s throughout their organization. Others have underperformed.
From the player development side, there have been very few success stories this year.
Sorry but, given all the resources they have, that’s a horrible track record.
Regardless of the excuses, they did a horrible job with Hughes, Kennedy AND Chamberlain this year. Why do I include Chamberlain on the list? Becuase he broke down in early August and, from that point forward, has been of no value to the team.
So, the concept of “preserving” Joba didn’t work. When I hear they might employ the same philosophy with him again next season, I cringe. Makes me believe that without outside help, they will never him to his full potential.
The Yankees need to go outside their organization and hire people who actually know how to develop pitching.
Clearly, they don’t so, why not bring people in who do?
Not that I think Aceves is Sandy Koufax (I saw Sandy Koufax when he was actually Sandy Koufax, and son you’re no … ) but he might be an MLB-ready back of the rotation guy and the way pitcher development has gone lately in this organization that would be nothing to sneeze at.
pat, maybe a little sweet tooth. I blame Mike Mussina for not producing Moose Health Bars.
Berger cookies make a very good gift. They’re cookies with a ton of fudge slathered onto the top. I have family in Baltimore, I’ve been eating them for most of my life.
Francessa makes an interesting point about the Yankees being missed in the postseason. Who are they going to play good cop/ bad cop with this year?
A good drinking game might be how many times the Yankees are mentioned by the announcers during the postseason games. I’m guessing enough that you may forget they aren’t there if it’s a shot a mention.
Dum Dum lollypops are little candy suckers on a paper stick and they sell them at the local Stop And Robs. They’re about a third of the size of Tootsie Pops, come in about 12 flavors and you give them out on Halloween because you can get a bag of 100 for $2.00.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/berger-cookies-baltimore-2
I could also see Aceves in the role that GB7 had suggested. Long man, emergency starter.
I liked that he worked fast, threw strikes, wasn’t afraid of contact.
Will he last? Who knows, but he is better at this point than Rasner.
randy l,
The point is that Pap’s pitch selection was costly last night. I posted the details last night, but it was 6 batters (leadoff HR by a pinch hitter who had arrived 10 minutes before gametime). But he sat fastball all the way. 20 pitches total. All fastballs, except a changeup on the 19th pitch.
If Saltalamacchia was on the block, you don’t think a team who desperately needs a young catcher like Boston will be all over him? Masterson has more value than either Kennedy or Aceves and the Sox would offer him in a heartbeat.
And I’m sure Daniels would love to get rid of Feliz who is putting up Joba-like numbers in the minors and is 20 years old and will be up in the majors next year, for Ian Kennedy. Not even Hughes AND Kennedy would get him.
Aceves = Fernando Valenzuela
Kid just knows how to pitch.
Thanks Nick. I’ll bookmark the page for the holidays.
They seem a little like the Baltimore version of a Black and White cookie. Is that a fair comparison?
Nick: They’re lollipops that come in virtually every flavor. Cherry, grape, strawberry, raspberry, cotton candy, root beer, cherry cola, sour apple, coconut, butterscotch, pink lemonade, mango (blegh), bubble gum, watermelon…
#13, I haven’t seen enough of Aceves to know whether he has the “rubber arm” of Mendoza or even David Wells, but, that’s the type of pitcher that’s been missing on the team for years. Mendoza would make about 8-10 starts a year, and 2 would be complete game shutouts. A lot of long relief, though, because he had the extra pitches and it would take him an inning or so to get really rolling. He just wasn’t the short 1 inning type of pitcher. He ate a llot of innings.
Well I just got of the golf course and I’m heading up to Anaheim to catch the Yanks before catching a flight to NYC to see them at The Stadium Friday night for the last time…..Never thought the season would turn out this way……Catching lot’s of heat from the rally monkey fans out here who take great delight whenever the Angels beat the Bombers…..Should be a rather interesting winter….
Well, the Black and White cookie is all about racial reconciliation and consistancy in texture despite the difference in color; the Berger cookie is all about sensory overload and artery congestion.
Brandon,
Scouts are at every game. It doesn’t mean they are targeting certain players. Often, they are there to fill out reports on teams for the winter (if its late in the season) or are just doing their due diligence.
What does Salty bring to the Yankees right now? He isn’t a good catcher, hasn’t hit since he left Atlanta, and can’t play first base.
I read most of your trade performance and they have a “Marlins” slant to them. By that, I mean you seem to want the Yankees to find opposing teams “hungry and sick” and hope you can turn them into players.
I don’t believe the Yankees can work that approach for several reasons. First, they are a win now organization. They need to make the playoffs just about every year. They don’t have a 3-4 year developmental cycle like the Marlins and other teams.
Second, when you take in too many projects (which are what guys like Threets, Salty, etc, are), it takes away development time from other players in your organization. Its too time consuming and there is no guarantee of success.
Third, they don’t have the personnel in the minors to work with all of these projects. They barely have enough qualified coaches in their organization right now. If you are going to look to rehab project players, you need a lot more bang in the organization.
Part of having a 200 million dollar payroll is, you have to save money in other areas. The Yankees do it at the minor league level. Yet another reason why a payroll that big doesn’t guarantee success.
When you look at the organization right now, guys like Romine and Montero have bigger upsides at the catching position than Salty. Laird has more upside as a first base prospect.
I’d go after Teagarden before I’d touch Salty. Texas won’t trade Teagarden because they know he has a bigger future than Salty.
The Yankees problem is not talent at the lower levels of the minors. Its having younger, major league available talent for their parent club. You aren’t going to close that gap by taking on more project-type players. You do it by making better internal baseball decisions.
If they are going to deal guys, its better to find players who are more finished products.
Mike Pagliarulo says Manny as a Yankee makes all kinds of sense.
http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=1830
if joba not pitching in the bigs send him down to the minors to help scranton in the playoffs
***My error. That was in response to $13***
we need tough guys on the team next year… guys like kevin millar, milton bradley, eric byrnes, jim edmonds, etc.
Mike Pagliarulo says Manny as a Yankee makes all kinds of sense.
Igawa’s scout speaks.
Rebecca, dont forget the mystery flavor (?) !
“Mike Pagliarulo says Manny as a Yankee makes all kinds of sense.”
Tell Mike to go back to retirement.
milton bradley would keep Micheal Kay in check. (sign me up)
bruney has been lights out this year and marte has really picked it up as well
pat,
Haven’t read the article, but I would be open to the idea of Manny being Manny in the Bronx.
But, I really think he’s found a home in LA. If they make the playoffs, he’ll have hit the jackpot. They’ll be going there because of him, not Torre.
It’s my understanding that the ‘09 option not being picked up was a condition of the trade. That means entirely new terms and if Manny were willing to take fewer years he might approach A-rod $$. But in actuality, I think only the Dodgers offer him a lot. But they’ve sampled the goods already, so I think they’d go for it.
Back to New York, one of Manny’s main complaints is that living in a sports-crazed town like Boston was oppressive. I think he’d have a similar feeling here. But I do think the fans would embrace him because he is a colorful figure.
But he’ll probably stay in LA because baseball is very low on the entertainmen value chart.
steve i wouldnt mind having millar as a yankee i noe b4 we had bad blood but he and johnny kan fire this team up
Stevem how about Gordie Howe, Chris Cellios, resurect the body of Dave Schultz, Stan Mikita, Eric Nesterenko and Pit Martin? They’re tough guys.
***resurrect***
Pags also mentions that Pedro might be a good addition as well so…. make your own assumption on Pags current level of sanity.
Cellios? Pronounced like ‘Chelios’? What’s the guy doing without a pair of skates and a hockey stick?
Wait. Nevermind.
I ought to read posts before responding. I am *so* slow.
I wonder if Duncan and Gomes has any interaction yesterday.
I still can’t get over the fact that Bradley tore his ACL by getting into a fight with the 1B ump while being held back by his manager
The problems this team faces now are all related to botched moves the front office has made in the past. The yankees need a young Catcher? Well the guy who had the game winning hit last night in Boston was traded for a 40 something year old pitcher. No mlb ready first baseman? Nick Johnson, who albeit is always hurt, was traded for a 25 year old “ace” on a bad team (who was also traded for the 40 year old pitcher). Ted Lilly would look nice at the end of the rotation…he too was dealt for a young “ace” on a bad team….Marcus Thames, Juan Rivera, heck Mike lowell. I’m sure that if you looked at every team in baseball, one could find a player on their roster who was either, at one time, a yankee or a yankee farm hand and was given up by the yankees for something more expensive and more of a “Star”.
SJ,
The Yankees have developed twice as many starters as the Red Sox then if you’re including Pettitte and Wang. The only starter I’ve seen the Sox draft and develop over that time span is Lester.
I’m just saying.
I still think all is not right with Joba and wonder what the benefit of having him around really is to the team. I do notice he hasn’t pitched since Saturday when he looked like crap.
I agree with SJ44…starting him again in relief next year just makes me cringe. Are they going to do the same ridiculous mid season on the fly transition again? I’d send him down this time and replicate a whole spring training regimen before bringing him back as a starter. I know they are scared that it will bruise his ego or that he is more valuable being stretched out on the major league level, but the second point didn’t really prove true this year. Teams knew he was on a pitch count and took advantage of it, plus it gave the pen absolutely no flexibility.
All in all it was a terrible job of handling Joba this year by the Yankees staff.
We have a chance to win a series from the Angels in Anaheim for the first time since 04 and have a 6-4 road trip. We have Pettitte on the mound against Moseley and his 8 ERA. Just to generate some good karma for next season lets win the series.
Well, Rebecca, those were/are the toughest guys in sports that I know. Gordie Howe, in particular. As great as he was and for all of his awards and trophies, the one he never got was the Lady Bing Trophey For Sportsmanship. It’s quite probable that he never received a vote in his 35 years as a hockey player.
“The Yankees have developed twice as many starters as the Red Sox then if you’re including Pettitte and Wang. The only starter I’ve seen the Sox draft and develop over that time span is Lester.”
Good point, Ray. I”l give the Sox credit for 1.5 as they developed Pavano just enough to sucker someone into trading Pedro Martinez for him.
Before that, Roger Clemens was probably the last guy the drafted and raised from a pup. That’s 2.5 in about 27 years.
mel
Not sure oppression would be an issue for Manny in NY. Damon was as hounded as Manny in Boston and he just blends in NY now. Manny was at least top 5 of the biggest celebrities in Boston. If he lived in NYC, he might not be top 5 of the biggest celebrities in his building.
I live about 15 minutes north of Yankee Stadium in the suburbs. Many of the Yankees who don’t live in the city live around here in season. I’ve seen athletes and their families in restaurants and the mall and for the most part people pretty much leave them alone.
CC isin’t coming here, hes a WC/NL guy.
So as a result, I want Sheets AND Burnett next year.
what did Lackey do during the fight?
Sheets and Burnett both have *very* questionable injury histories
Red Sox have developed Paplebon. But yeah besides Lester and Paplebon they haven’t done a good job either with young pitchers. Look at Craig Hansen.
NYY can’t go out and get Manny because they’d have to bring Torre back to manage him.
I’ve followed the process in the LA Times and the Dodgers blogs and Torre has been masterful, making Manny cut off just enough of his dreads to get them above the letters on his back, dressing him in a uni that almost fits him, enlisting his ‘help’ with the youngsters on the team, and telling the press every day about his work ethic and knowledge of his craft. In other words, immediately lifting him from the role of detrimental jerk and casting him as the ‘bad-boy-big-brother-with-the-heart-of-gold’ who knows a bunch of stuff that the little brothers need to learn. And voila! Manny’s watching the kids on video and giving them advice about batting stance, the dreads become a cultural icon, and a new hero is glowing in the warm spotlight.
This is not to say that he’ll never give Torre any agita, but the early positioning was inspired, handing him a role with the team where he could fit in without needing an actual personality transplant.
Trevor:
These guys were talking about starting pitchers. Papelbon was brought thru the system that way but of course did not end up there.
Lester, Pavano & Clemens are about it. Before that, I think the last one was Babe Ruth.
Anyone get to hear Mad Dog on Howard Stern this morning?
He was great, very funny. I always liked him better than Mike, even though he hates the Yanks.
Howard got him to say the F word
I don’t understand this push to have more african americans in baseball, why its such a big deal? Why are we not making a big deal of not having enough white or lating players on NFL and NBA rosters that are dominated by the black athlete? I don’t understand this argument.
Joey’s Poodle,
That’s a good take on Torre & Manny’s situation.
The devilish side of me wants to believe that Manny’s also motivated by the fact that without the ‘09 option, he really is in a contract year now. And it’s in his best interest to be flexible if he wishes to secure a significant contract.
incognita,
Tony, I think major league baseball is sensitive about its history of segregation. Not without reason…
Tony, it’s about providing an opportunity that may not necessarily be there.
Baseball is a more expensive sport to play than basketball and many inner city kids don’t have a chance.
Sorry, that was Tony, not incognita, that I meant to respond to above.
Have we developed pitcher who we traded?
The reason for the argument is so that they dont run out of things to complain about.
I hope Joba can recover from his shoulder problems and not become another Jaret Wright, he has been unimpressive in relief the lats couple of times. The hapless Mariners were smacking him around.
Mike Pagliarulo says Manny as a Yankee makes all kinds of sense.
http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=1830
That’s the dude who scouted Igawa right?
Mel,
I agree with you that that’s also a factor in Manny’s renewal.
Another one is that the poor kids on the Dodgers had only had Jeff Kent to relate to on the grizzled veteran front, so Manny was a profound relief to their young minds. Like getting the cool, hip teacher instead of the punitive old meanie in high school.
“Have we developed pitcher who we traded?”
Eric Milton?
In the mid 80s, Boston developed Jeff Suppan and Aaron Sele have won 128 and 148 games, respectively.
Are we giving up on Bucholtz completely? He could still end up ok. And even if he never lives up to his potential as a pitcher, where do you think Theo get his fancy laptop?
***In the mid 90s***
“In the mid 80s, Boston developed Jeff Suppan and Aaron Sele have won 128 and 148 games, respectively.”
Good catch. 130-150 wins is a pretty nice MLB career.
gordie howe story:
nice elderly couple buys 4 bracelets for their daughters in my sarasota ,fla business 15 years ago. i knew they were canadian from their accents, and when the man signed the charge slip, i thought “wow, his forearms are about three times the size of a normal human being”. i figured he must be a farmer or someone who does serious physical labor. i looked at the signature and it was of course gordie howe.
he stayed and chatted for the next 45 minutes while his wife went to other shops. we ended up talking about baseball. it turns out he was great friends with al kaline and regularly took bp with the tigers. he loved baseball. we got to golf and i mentioned that i had just taken up golf a year and a half earlier, but i had plateaued at a 5 handicap( which i was somewhat proud of). howe said ” you must be doing something wrong, it shouldn’t take that long to be a scratch player”. which it turned out he was. he didn’t mean it as a slight. he actually encouraged me to get back out there and figure it out asap because golf to him like baseball was just so easy.
my impression was he was just a real down to earth guy who didn’t let being so gifted make him forget who he was or where he came from
the next day he came by with an autographed biography and dropped it off.
That’s the dude who scouted Igawa right?
He’s entitled to his opinion.
Hey Pete, can you do me a favor and tell Ludacris that he should not talk about politics ever again? I listen to his music and I am not gonna say what candidate I support, but that song he did about Obama, McCain, Hilary, Bush was over the top and not needed, to say the very least. Too many ignorant entertainers run thier mouths too much about things they don’t know anything about these days…
They did pretty well with that Rivera kid.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime
Football is a pretty expensive sport to play as well Rebecca and the african american athlete dominates that sport?
“OK, back from the clubhouse. Pudge Rodriguez and Torii Hunter each received two-game suspensions and fines for their fracas on Monday night. Both elected not to appeal and will serve their time.”
This is a win+win for us, no?
““Have we developed pitcher who we traded?â€
Eric Milton?”
Brandon Clausen, Admiral Halsey, those AA guys for Marte/Nady, there’s probably tons more.
mel
September 10th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Have we developed pitcher who we traded?
_________________________________________________
Jose Rios. The worst trade of a pitcher by NYY was Stan Bahnsen for Rich McKinney in 1971.
“Pudge Rodriguez and Torii Hunter each received two-game suspensions”
Akin to the Ranger sending their goon out to pick a fight with the other teams leading scorer.
I love Luda. But how can he be friends with Torii? I wonder if Ludacris wants to slap Hunter when he starts flapping his gums about money.
*RangerS
we should win this game, we are facing the Angel’s B team.
““Have we developed pitcher who we traded?â€
Eric Milton?â€
Brandon Clausen, Admiral Halsey, those AA guys for Marte/Nady, there’s probably tons more.”
I assume the original question meant, have the Yankees developed any pitchers who were actually any good that got traded.
How many organizations have actually developed more than one or two legitimate big league starters (at least 3 years in the majors with 180 IP) in the last twenty years, anyway? I would guess very few if any, since there are always too few legitimate major league starters for the demand in the market.
“Have we developed pitcher who we traded?â€
1980 doug drabek, Jose rio
1990s Bob wickman, Eric Milton, Jake westbrook (was acquired in irabu trade)
2000s Marte, Ted Lilly (see westbrook).
The list is really nothing to write home about….
Gordie Howe always played rough, but, usually clean. There was one time in particular that his Houston team was playing Bobby Hull’s Winnipeg Jets in the WHA and Mark Howe was boarded pretty hard. Gordie nailed the guy into the boards hard. When the guy got up, Howe picked the guy up off of the ice about 3 inches by sticking two fingers in his nose and lifting him up. “Don’t ever screw with my kids again.” Bobby Hull told that story at a sports dinner one night.
“How many organizations have actually developed more than one or two legitimate big league starters”
The A’s spring to mind with Hudson, Mulder, Zito, Haren et al.
“we should win this game, we are facing the Angel’s B team.”
Probably all anyone will see of the Angels til October.
“The A’s spring to mind with Hudson, Mulder, Zito, Haren et al.”
Haren actually came up with the Cardinals. Pitched in the 2004 World Series for them.
A’s are going to have a sick rotation in a few years
Henry Rodriguez, Sean Gallagher, Michael Inoa, Gio Gonzalez, Jutin Duchescher, etc.
Drabek came from the White Sox for Roy Smalley and Wickman came from the White Sox for Steve Sax. Lilly and Westbrook came from Montreal for Irabu.
Lookin Back at the prospects the yankees traded in the 80s makes we realize how bad\crazy the Front office was before George was suspended: Fred Mcgriff, Jay Buhner, willie mcgee, otis nixion, doug drabek, jose rio. we lost brad ausmus in the expansion draft to the marlins. I’m sure their are more players who where traded away who become stars…
“How many organizations have actually developed more than one or two legitimate big league starters (at least 3 years in the majors with 180 IP) in the last twenty years, anyway?”
Beckett, Burnett & Penny all did time in Fla’s minor league system before hitting the bigs, though only Beckett was their draft pick.
Hope Abreu is taking notes there…only steal if you’re sure you’ll make it.
Weather Man: Only if Billy Beane doesn’t trade them all
do ya think if smoltz is healthy and the yankees need another veteran arm in the pen would u see smoltz as a 8th inning guy for us
“Henry Rodriguez, Sean Gallagher, Michael Inoa, Gio Gonzalez, Jutin Duchescher, etc”
Right now Brett Anderson and Trevor Cahill are more highly regarded than Rodriguez.
we lost brad ausmus in the expansion draft to the marlins.
we would not have Posada if we had Ausmus. Posada would have been long gone when he was in the minors even before when he was a 2B.
Henry Rodriguez, Sean Gallagher, Michael Inoa, Gio Gonzalez, Jutin Duchescher, etc.
Rodriguez is going in the BP, Gallagher and Duch are a bit legit, Gio looks raw, Inoa it may take 2-3 yrs. for him to reach MLB. So your half right.
Talk about pathetic, that ball almost bounced on the grass and A-Rod couldn’t hold his swing. Of course that only happened because there are RISP.
lets not forget about a young J.T. Snow with the Yanks
I think the lame announcer is back.
That pitch that Alex waved at was not of the 12 to 6 variety.
Talk about pathetic, that ball almost bounced on the grass and A-Rod couldn’t hold his swing. Of course that only happened because there are RISP.
Are you surprised ?
Nice hit Jason
Brandon,
Should I be? ‘Cause I think I’m not.
Balking a run is always fun.
Giambi with a hit with RISP. Now I’m surprised.
And the pitcher drives in the other run. Great times!!
Sorry to bash, but Arod? geezz.
The best player in the universe against one of the worst pitchers in baseball with RISP? At least swing at a credible pitch
WTG, Jason. Kind of hard to get a hit when a pitcher doesn’t throw strikes.
Who gets the RBI there?
Nady caught that disease that doesn’t let you hit with RISP.. what’s it called? A-Rod syndrome, I think.
Brandon,
Should I be? ‘Cause I think I’m not.
Then have a coke and a smile and STFU
X swung at a similiar pitch as Alex.
Nady caught that disease that doesn’t let you hit with RISP.. what’s it called? A-Rod syndrome, I think.
Se llama being scouted. The AL is catching on to X’s long swing, he’ll see alot more of those.
Do we really need Pettitte back next season? He’s been mediocre this season, so what should we expect next season? Kei Igawa bad?
“How many organizations have actually developed more than one or two legitimate big league starters (at least 3 years in the majors with 180 IP) in the last twenty years, anyway?â€
Angles: Lackey, washburn, chuck finley..troy percival, krod are closers
Yankees: Pettite, Wang, Milton, Sterling Hitchcock, al leiter
Blue Jays: Hallady, Carpenter, Kelvim Escobar, David wells
Pirates: John Lieber, Denny Neagle, estaban loaiza.
Every team has at least developed decent 2 starters in 20 years. Maybe not Col.
Way to go Molina, just join the sucky defense party.
good thing for that 2 run lead.
gameday finally decided to show the run scoring Balk…
Good thing their pitcher helped us out and drove in a run on a balk.
re-post . . .
I see Bobby Meacham gone with current bench coach Rob Thomson taking over as 3rd base coach.
Tino Martinez and his enthusiasm will be Girardi’s bench coach. His old No. 24 presents no problem with Cano gone in a deal for a better centerfielder.
My only wish this year is Jeter get his average up to .300. Just doesnt look right under that mark. But most of all. Im hoping the Yankees end up playing the Sox with first place on the line for them and us playing the spoiler. Having them get knocked out vs. the Halos takes a little of the sting out of this season.
Whats up with the early Arod bashing? I thought he had a good game last night?
“Whats up with the early Arod bashing?”
It’s like breathing for some people.
S.o.S.27,
Arod could get 20 straight hits with RISP and the next out he makes he’ll get bashed.
I know im late but i heard today that Pettitte is interested in coming back. Im sorry. But if i have the choice to bring him back or Moose. Its Moose hands down. I dont think we should bring both of them back. Especially with the price tag it costs to for Andy to pitch. Time to turn the page and bring in 2 top notch pitchers.
“It’s great that Torii is taking the initiative.”
Torii iss aa reall rolee modell forr kidss.
If you don’t bash Arod early you could pull a hammy bashing him later.
SoS,
It’s not a choice. Both will have the option of coming back.
A Colt busted for drugs.
Gameday is rubbish today.
Molina should at least pretend he knows what he’s doing with the bat. Why does he try to swing? Just stand there and take pitches. Maybe he gets lucky and ends up getting hit or getting a walk…
Well that was a pretty ugly inning at bat for our squad.
One of the enduring images of this season is going to be Robbie Cano lurching across the plate to pull a low, outside pitch to the opposing second baseman.
Gameday is rubbish today.
It’s SoCal, dude. Chill. They’ll get to it.
Hows Jeter doing with regards to the all-time Yankee Stadium hit record? I’ve been cut off from the Yankees (not that I’ve missed much) for the last couple of weeks. I don’t get the YES Network in college. That’s kinda odd considering I go to Fordham in the Bronx…I get SNY though. Go figure…
You would think Arod was responsible for the hike in ticket prices next year in the new stadium. I can see it now. Fans in nose bleeder seats holding up signs cussing out alex. Telling him to take a pay cut so they could see the game better.
Good Stuff. The kid looks sharp. Better than Rasner but we will see. For the best baseball blog on the planet visit http://yourouttahere.blogspot.com/
pat,
Gamecast is fine. I was under the impression that they both feed off the same data.
I think your kids could do a better job.
What a difference 10 months can make.
Just 10 months ago Ian Kennedy, Philip Hughes, Melky Cabrera, Robby Cano, and since departed Jose Tabata were not for discussion in deals. There’s been a change.
mel,
Yeah Johnson. It will hurt the defense on running plays. I though cars now came standard with air bags, spare tire,cd player,navigation and drugs. What am i missing here? These guys just dont get it.
Gameday is always screwed up after an odd scoring play. They don’t know how to score it.
Jose Tabata never should have been dealt in the first place Gary.
Brandon, have you booked a room in Cooperstown yet for the Tabata induction ceremony?
Just kidding, but really, we have no idea on him!
SoS,
The best one was the guy sitting in a dark parking lot who got busted for cutting lines of (Phil).
Did you hear about Vince Young? What a head case. Seriously, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s attempted you know what. His family called the police the minute he walked out the door the other night.
Moseley seems to be one of those wildly effective guys.
Sterling: “Jeter bangs a single to RF”
My goodness just call the GAME !
mel,
I am a Texas Longhorn football fan and thought that championship game was the best game i had ever seen. But i knew he wouldnt amount to much in the nfl. He had wide open recievers in college and smaller players trying to tackle him. I hope he gets his head straight. Maybe all these phenom coming out of college(bush) need to stay away from commercials and the spot light and just work on their game. Lesser expectations,less pressure. IMO Vince needs a new start elsewhere.
Once again, they’re not showing called strike 3 on the pitch trax. They’d do it if it was an Angel at the plate.
Andy seems to be pitching slowly for him.
That’s the 4th time this week Alex does that what gives ?
Yah, he does, Pat. Throwong a lot of pitches. It’s another team that fouls off a lot of pitches. They don’t walk a lot, but, they also don’t swing at pitches out of the strike zone very often.
“at one point the clubhouse was empty except for Sidney Ponson sitting in a recliner watching Dumb and Dumber and laughing his head off. He could not have been happier.”
- Now this really begs the question: what the heck did Sir Sid do that was SO bad in Texas??
Thx Pete, nice funny tidbit.
Pete…How soon will you do an Pre Off Season outlook post…seeing as there is little to no hope the Yankees Make the Post Season this year. Including: Yankee Free Agents, Free Agents of Yankee Interest. How much Money would be coming off the books. And maybe your take on what the yankees off season plan should be?
Every inning they come up with a different way of not scoring.
Moseley has a 7.68 ERA and he is blowing through the Yankee order. 69 pitches, 37 strikes and 32 balls, yet he has 5 strikeouts and has given up 2 soft runs.
Can’t wait for this team to be taken apart in the off season. To have such a weak effort against a kid like this is just horrible.
OMG why did I leave my SlingBox off, Sterling talking about jokes of his clothes beating or being beatdown on road trips Suzyn w/ the sidekick BS laugh why are we stuck w/ Kay on TV and Sterling/Waldman on radio
Matsui can’t run, can’t field, can’t even hit anymore. Why dosn’t he just go have his knee operation already?
The Big G with another quality throw.
HA HA HA
We really suck.
Glad i wont see that next year
Giambi is the only first baseman I have seen who can’t make that play 100% of the time. Wait, he is 100% on NOT making it
giambi is a joke and anyone who wants him back is a fool.
the guy cannot throw or move.
he is hitting 248 or so and about 208 with RISP.
Giambi should be arrested for theft of about $120 million dollars…
“Moseley has a 7.68 ERA and he is blowing through the Yankee order. 69 pitches, 37 strikes and 32 balls, yet he has 5 strikeouts and has given up 2 soft runs.
Can’t wait for this team to be taken apart in the off season. To have such a weak effort against a kid like this is just horrible.”
Just wait long enough and you’ll see Pettitte get killed by the Angels B lineup.
does Big G ever Pactice Throwing? even a little leaguer throws better…
Oh yeah, SlingBox. Brandon, you said a while ago, whatever I do, don’t try to use it through a cell phone. Why not? And do you mean a regular cellphone that has interweb capabilty or any mobile device? Cos I now have a Blackberry and I’ve thought about getting a SlingBox.
You never think about the fielding of your 1st baseman until you have one that can’t. That is why Matsui, Damon, Posada, et al are not the answer at first.
Better be careful there, Pettitte. That .190 hitter is really dangerous.
“Just wait long enough and you’ll see Pettitte get killed by the Angels B lineup.”
You mean Angels D lineup
“Glad i wont see that next year”
Moving to Australia?
how many times have we seen this a pitcher whos era is 7 and dominates the yankees Disgraceful…
Over 1950 plate appearances this season have come from Cano and Melky and Molina and the bench with completely awful results. That is the biggest problem with the offense. The Yankees need to get decent hitters at 2B, CF, and C. Hopefully Posada can catch over 100 games next year, and that would mostly solve the problem at C. CF is a huge problem, with no obvious answer. Damon is the best offensive player they have at CF, but his defense is crap. and Melky and Gardner can’t hit. And who knows what the deal with Cano is. Trade him? Hope for a rebound? I don’t know. But anyway, those are the biggest problems with the offense that caused this year’s mess. It would also help if a bench guy or two could reach base more frequently.
The last Yankee team to give close to 2000 plate appearances to this many automatic outs was the 1991 squad.
Nick because it delays your service on some phones, the blackberry has enough width for it, it has to do w/ the media player I’ll post more about that when I get home.
Keyword Slingbox and Blackberry it’ll tell you more than I can right now.
What’s with the automatic outs stat that you guys keep spewing? You or you all have posted it countless times. Tell it to Cash, we can’t do anything about it.
And by the way, they weren’t automatic outs. There were some hits, sacs (not many), RBI, and yes! Even some homeruns.
Grab another doggie chew. Jeez.
He will hit 45 HRs this year ( A-Rod )
we need someone to protect arod
Amazing! Moseley at 5IP and holding the bombers to 2 runs! I’ve never seem this before, a crappy pitcher dominating the Yankees.
Cano is lost in space. I think 2 for last 24 or so.. he is pathetic and now striking out a lot.
this guy is the biggest bust on the team this year… the guy has a 300 OBP, he is maybe the worst 2B in bseball that is astounding….
Our offense is helping out our pitching as usual.. the old men can’t play back to back night game and day game..
Pettite hanging on by a thread…..
“And by the way, they weren’t automatic outs.”
Their collective OBP’s is under .300. That is crap, especially for 2000 plate appearances. That is what needs to be improved.
Pettitte is living on the edge
At this point in the season, Pettitte is like watching Ponson or Rasner on the mound, kind of scares you….
Here it comes, the 3 run HR!
Yes, Katie, he’s done.
Get him out!!
score and inning for those of us at work?
Jeez, Bobby. How does that not score a run?
Thanks, Brandon, I’ll check it out.
Um, is Abreu just not a very good defensive outfielder? A lot of people say that, and it sure looks like it. Is he actually really good and I shouldn’t believe my lying eyes?
Pettitte blows, and so does Abreu. That’s like the 1981441741894127247418914 ball that goes over Abreu’s head, only in this game.
wat the hell is wrong wit abreu he stays doin dat
Oh crap
Veras warming up. Ha ha ha, Girardi making sure we give the Grand Slam.
Also, keep in mind that the Yankees will likely have somewhere between 5500 and 6000 plate appearances for the entire season. 2000 of them were wasted on garbage hitters, which is an unacceptable level of wasted outs. That is obviously the major component of why the offense has struggled.
Abreu has been the worst defensive right fielder in baseball this season.
He is a great guy from what I’ve heard, but just kind of looks like he has lost his touch…. Where is the old pettitte when you need him?
how hard is it to post the score?
(yahoo, espn, mlb.com, etc are all blockec at work).
Sterling doing the best he can to jinx Andy right now !
Bottom 5, 2-1 Yankees, bases loaded 2 out for Angels. Andy just struck out 2 guys 1-2 on this guy.
bill, its 2-1. next time effing text yankees to 46645 and get your own score.
2-1 yanks as of right now
I got that Mets BP feeling right now
4-2 Angels.
Awesome Andy strikes again!
GOod job nady and pettite
Good Day folks. I’m taking a long walk before I go home.
Right over the plate. Did he underhand it?
thats what happens when you load the bases with nobody out. nice one.
Anybody thought anything different would happen? Anybody still want Big Game Pettitte back next season?
(Correct answers are No and No)
Dang Andy… Get it together out there. If you want to play for the Yankees next year, show it!
He almost got out of it. Let’s go guys!
But Andy is still eating innings.
crap
Should be able to beat this watered down Angel team.
somehow pete will find out how to blame girardi for this. i won’t be reading to find out how.
Game over. Thanks for the memories Andy — none of them recent. What a joke.
Hey Katie — we’d better not see Pettitte next year!
Bad pitch by Pettitte, bad throw by Nady and Pettitte wasn’t where he was supposed to be in backing up the play. Now a wild pitch and he’s gone.
So Andy should come back next year….
As a Bullpen Coach
Man.
good crisp play from our heroes.. nice play by Nady.. Pettitte grooving the ball has he given up 10 hits to there scrub lineup?
Hell our offense is battling today.. nady is a good player but he hacks at the plate and does not take any pitches..
this team had there good game of the week last night and it is back to reality they stink, they are old, they are stupid, and they are stealing $$$ besides that everything is great.
Pettitte should not come back the guy is 13 and 13 and imploding, enough of the nuce guy crap adios pettitte.. He got $16 mill this year , his 2nd half #’s are Rasner like….
What is the story with Joba? Is he pitching again this year? If he is not just say it!!!!!
Cano is a jerk and stinks…..
I know andy is not pitching too well, but why not blame the offense as well? look at these scrappy angles they bat .200 but hit w RISP.
Guys we gotta stop coming to games or watching them, cashman put toether a BAD BAD team.
4TH place to stay! God this team is a joke right now. Andy has barely been a good #3 for this team all year long.
***my mistake. Ruled a passed ball.***
that last AB was our whole season in a nutshell…Andy was on his way to doing great….could have easily struck out the side after loading the bases….but ALAS,,,these are the 2008 Yankees and we can ALWAYS find a way to snatch a loss out of the jaws of victory….Good Night, ALL….Time to go watch the Cubbies lose another game to continue THEIR Epic collapse….
Wow, guys. Way to dump on a guy who’s been pitching with a tired arm for 2 months.
Of course Pettitte wants to return! If you knew you get get $10M+ from a desperate organization, even though your skills have almost completely eroded — why not??
Well Homerun Veras is in… Yay! What a joke he has been lately
yeah ANdy is eating innings badly. they have 5 guys that can do that, the goal is to have a low ERA not a high ERA..
36 and in decline, adios Andy… Take giambi, abreu , and moose with you. Moose will not repeat what he did this year and he is 39, cut the damn chord…
I think the Yankees can score more runs.
4.2 innings, 9 hits and almost 100 pitches and it’s not Andys fault???
Isn’t veras our 8th inning setup guy? why the h**l is he bringing him in the 5th, I think girardi doesn’t know the score, what a shame, finally i know the feeling of a kanses city royals fan…..ouch
Mel, he should get 40+ years to rest that arm.
you see how the angels try to stick it to you and bury you when they got you down? Yanks would just sit on tht lead and hope Mo closes it for them. This team needs to be completely over-hauled.
Andy should not be back next year.
Mel knows Pettitte has a tired arm!!!!Really point me where I can read that info?
No excuses he will be 1 and 6 in last 7 decisions, yankee fans are to sympathetic to ther players.. Pettitte has probably made about $160 mill in his career, do not shed any tears for him. If he wants to come back fine sign him to a non guaranteed contract for $5 mill, he looks good in spring training then maybe they will put him on the roster.. Nah that is crude how can anyone play under those work conditions……
Adios all old crap that you can get rid of…. Hey does Mosely have like a under 2.00 ERA on the year? Oh I forgot it is the Yankee offense making 7 EA pitchers look good…..
If his arm is tired, why don’t the Yankees skip him in the rotation? I know it has been bothering him for a couple months but its the organizations fault or his for not doing something about it. Some kid or guy like Aceves could have come up earlier to help the team.
Pettitte is a complete washout this season. he should have stayed retired, and the Yankees should not have coaxed him out of it.
He MUST NOT RETURN next year. Yes, he had great years here, and we are all greateful for that, but he is over the hill (and if he had any pride left, he would admit it himself)
OK boys, back to sucking at offense now.
Ladies and gentleman, now dominating the Yankees lineup, Kevin Jepsen.
I don’t know why some of you are so shocked at this stuff. After 146 games, this is the team. They aren’t getting better until the off-season.
Pete,
At this point should Andy really get upset at being taken out? He’s been awful for two months now. I think his feelings being hurt are the least of his issues now.
Until the Yankees play tough with their older players can they make it easier on their young players.
Also not being agressive with their kids.
stuart,
Mel is omniscient!
Pettite has probably just pitched himself out of an oppurtunity to pitch at the new Yankee Stadium! How can you bring back someone this old who has been so ineffective in his last 5 starts?
Oh, and I hope that if the team is still sucking wind mid-season ‘09, that they dump Girardi as well.
Let’s go A-Rod, start hitting those homeruns when your team is down by 2!
Katie,
They were going to skip him, but something happened. I don’t know what it was.
Either Kennedy bombed, Giese bombed and got hurt, Joba got hurt. Something.
I guess they decided to let him pitch through it.
so they yanks (with a lineup of 7 all stars and 2 HOFers) can only get 3 hits against a guy with a 7.5 era who has ZERO quality starts this year. you can whine all you want about pettite, but he would have had to not give up another run the rest of the game for the yanks to win
Yes, that’s Jepsen, spelled J-E-P-S-E-N. Just in case you’re wondering who that future Hall Of Famer is.
keep in mind, Once Cashman knew Pettitte would return he turned away from Santana. What a bad judgement that was.
Arod K`s?? who is pitching for the Angels today? Bob Feller?
Mel-
Yeah, but I remember him being asked about it and he denied it. You can’t deny an injury no matter how bad you want to pitch. We still had a legit shot then and him missing 2 starts wouldn’t have made that big of a difference.
Let Andy throw out the first ceremonial pitch at New Stadium and then say good luck.
So explain something to me — if the Yanks hadn’t signed Cano to the contract and had gone to arbitration with him this year, do you still think he would have gotten a raise?
I don’t.
Another F for Cashman.
Let another organization take him and his deep insight into major league baseball and give me a guy who know baseball players.
I’m terrified what he’s going to do (or not do) to this club with another off season under his “deft” hand.
And put me down in the books for this — Girardi doesn’t make it to the All Star Break next year.
The media will crush him like they crushed Willie (especially when Torre makes the post season) and ownership will capitulate.
G.I. Joe is going to be spending a lot of time hearing about job security this off season and how he better motivate these beanbags to actually show up and play in April and May for a change which we all know they won’t, unless massive changes are made.
All I know is that before I kick Andy to the curb, we have to remember what Moose looked like last year. He made Andy look like Cy Young.
Jeter, Abreu and A-Rod… they are really scary.
The 08 Yanks. Capable of making guys with 7 ERAs look like Cy Young.
If Cashman walks away at the end of the season, can we really blame him? I mean he has as much fault as Girardi and the players, but it’s not like we could say we didn’t see it coming.
Mel, do you ever want this team to be good again? I mean, what the heck???
I mean really who thinks the Yanks will come back in this game? No one because this team stinks, has no heart and is a literal joke..
Abreu will have about 30 less BB’s thn last year, is going to be 35, why the hell would the Yanks even offer him arbitration? If he accepts it they are stuck with him… He is like the rest of the crew old, declining, soft, and a joke….
IS that Jepsen guy a stud!!!Arod can’t touch him…
Get ready to watch Krod celebrate on the field when he has some Yankee flail at a ball in the dirt.. Postgame should be as humorous as ever……
Who do I dislike more Cano, or Arod or Giambi or abreu, so many great targets to dislike.. I think I dislike Cano most becuase his issues are all above his neck, the guy is 25!!!!!!!!!!
“They aren’t getting better until the off-season.”
Yaeh – that’s because they won’t be playing anyone in off-season.
Cashman shouldn’t walk away. He should be walked out the door.
True Mel.
I don’t think they should garuntee anybody a start next year except CC if they sign him. And Joba, although there is speculation as what is going to be going on with him. However, the Yankees should get younger but not guarantee anything. If they have to have a bigger rotation to see how their guys do, then so be it. But I don’t think anybody should be guaranteed anything next year.
When they get Punched they dont fight back disgraceful
“If Cashman walks away at the end of the season, can we really blame him?”
Even if Cash comes back – he needs to have better advice on which pitchers to sign/trade for.
ZMAN,
I am a little sentimental, but yes, I do want this team to be good.
“Cashman shouldn’t walk away. He should be walked out the door.”
He should be kicked out the door. Him and Joe G.
I’ll always be a Pettitte fan & stil hope he comes back, but I was in the middle of typing a comment about how well he was throwing (90 pitches/60 strikes) when Quinlan singled. So instead of posting, I opened a new browser, went to StubHub & just spent $600 on Game 2 ALDS tix so I can see LAA beat the hell of BOS
Schilling is a ****head.
Just wanted to put that out there. Not that anyone he doesn’t shower with after games would disagree.
Yankees are stuck with alot of mid to late 30’s players who are breaking down (Matsui/knees, Posada/shoulder, Damien/shoulder)These guys are still under contract next yr.
However, ALL the expiring contracts HAVE TO GO.
Giambi
Abreu
Mussina
Petitte
Pudge
This team is like an old beer-belly softball team. No speed, no athletism, poor defense, lollipop pitchers. They should go bowling after the games are over.
Pathetic.
I think Cashman will walk, and as GLove says, Girardi will be sitting in front of the TV watching the all-star game.
Katie,
That’s right. You can never have too much pitching.
Even if you get CC & Burnett (zero probability) you have:
CC
Wang
Burnett
Moose
Andy
With Joba, Hughes, et al waiting in the wings.
I just think that we should keep an open mind. Moose and Andy are year to year deals, anyway. Low risk.
cash needs to stay… i think hes doing a fine job and its just a rebuilding phase after years of overspending
Hanging splitter and the best Giambi can do is foul it off his foot.
Jose — I’ll assume and hope you’re being sarcastic.
I think we should beg Mattingly to come back but as our coach…
no im not actually. its one bad year. this isnt a video game you cant win every year. every single team has a bad year where they need to regroup and im going to trust the man who knows this franchise better than anyone
Have the Yankees ever let anyone leave as a free agent? Or have they re-signed all their free agents in the past several years?
Mel,
How can Andy and Moose be low risk? Just because they are not taking in long dated overpriced contracts does not mean they will not suck the wind out of this team in one season!
Pettite has broken down, no sense in hoping for a bounce back. he must go!
G. Love,
hate to break it to you but Cano more than likely would have gotten a raise. Might not have been 6 million but he would have gotten a raise. Just the way arbitration works.
Cano is still making far less THIS year then he wanted to and less than the Yankees offered.
I’m at the point where I’d rather spend 3 hours painting Katie’s toenails than watch these hopeless underachievers.
Nady is looking more and more like a real Yankee hitter.
Awesome effort by the guys today, they are showing a lot of fight.
Present, accounted for, and deciding these Yankees better find a way to get the runs back and fast!
Why is Giambi still in the game?
im not sure whats better- finishing ahead of 4th place or finishing with a top 15 draft pick to protect it…tough call
“Jose — I’ll assume and hope you’re being sarcastic.”
Funy – just a few weeks ago, after the Nady and Pudge deals, everyone was heaping praise on Cash and hoping the Steins would bring him back.
Not this guy, #9.
ZMAN7777- As long as it’s not a dark red then you can paint what ever color you want
You wouldn’t find a better 4 & 5 in baseball.
Why no pinch runner for G?
“I’m at the point where I’d rather spend 3 hours painting Katie’s toenails”
3 hours?! How many toes does she have?
Doesn’t matter how many toes. I’ll just keep painting!
A pinch runner would’ve stole second already. This kid is totally focused on Hideki.
Arredondo is going to be their closer next year isn’t he? Well, every time I have seen the guy pitch, he doesn’t look that great….
Good fight Matsui, too bad you still suck. Go get your surgery.
CAno=Main Disgrace
lol. these guys aren’t watching the scoreboard. Texas ties it up.
jose -
Get the protected picks. Next year’s draft is very weak anyway so the higher spot, the better. We’re also going to sign FAs this off-season, so lets keep our picks while still signing the top guys in the FA market.
Aside from Sox fans and a few snide comments from the Lupica’s of the world, nobody will even mention 4th place after Columbus Day. Does anyone even remember or care the Sox finished 3rd in 06?
I was too optimistic.
The slippery slope known as the New York Yankees.
Guess I didn’t miss much.
I assure you I have 5 toes on each foot. Just like everyone else.
Cano, first pitch swinging? Well, at least that’s a new approach.
Captain
Just a gut feeling but I think they’ll keep 2 of the OFs, get 2 new ones, keep Moose, and platoon Matsui & Posada at DH if Matsui is one of the 2 OFs who stays.
Assuming Matsui is one of the 2 OFs who stays, and also assuming Posada’s are is never going to be the same, that means some shuttling of of Matsui playing the filed and Posada playing first.
Pettitte … they could let him walk if they get a front line pitcher and another decent innings-eater this winter. But Pettitte eats lots of innings so if there are 3 or 4 starters in the rotation who can perform better than him, it may be worth keeping him.
Giambi … they’d better buy out the option on that albatross.
They absolutely won’t get rid of Posada, Jeter or A-Rod, or Wang, or Joba, or Mo.
Unless they were hiding some secret info that Joba’s arm is a wreck and they packaged him in a blockbuster trade.
Nah … with that kind of move he’d come back to terrorize the Yanks with the same high tight stuff he uses to make Youkilis to crap his pants now. Can’t risk it. I hope not.
Please get a low-pitch inning and come back for the 9th, Joba!
Cano should get lashings for that at bat. What was he doing while Hideki was battling?
The Angels are trying to hand this game to the Yankees and the Yankees refuse to take the gift….totally in line with how much this team s*cks !
Actually, Katie, some people have six per foot, but they usually remove the sixth digit.
I don’t know all the circumstances of this game but I still don’t want Pettitte back. No way no how.
Cano with a really good and patient AB.
Man he never pulls the ball to the right side, is that a new thing for our prodigy?
HE is bad real bad, his AB’s are Melky like….
1 inning from K rods obnoxious celebration after some Yank reaches for a pitchin the dirt for strike 3.
showing a lot of heart today, really battling, this team win or lose is something to be proud of………
I like Matsui… a warrior and good citizen but he is finished. Time to trade him to the SF Giants.
And get rid of PEDitte, please.
The term is polydactyl: born with six fingers per hand and six toes per foot.
Why is Matsui playing? He is not contributing much & it does’nt matter anymore anyhow. Why is Giambi playing? Abreu? They don’t (or should’nt) figure in their plans for next season.
Why not play Gardner, Ranson, bring JC, hughes & Kennedy up? Heck even Melky should get some playing time.
Why are we playing guys to won’t or should not be here next yr.
Good questions, But! Why not play Gardner and Ransom??
Joba should go 2 innings…
schilling contributed to the biggest comeback in mlb postseason history. you can’t take that away from him. action ALWAYS trumps words!!!
the yankees need to let all the free agents walk.
keep arod,jeter,posada,mo,wang,joba and that is it.
i can see signing mussina to a one year contract but not pettitte.
the yankees need 2 frontline pitchers,sabathia and maybe a trade for peavey.imagine sabathia,peavey,wang,mussina,joba.joba as the 5th starter let’s the yankees control his innings more by skipping starts,taking him out early,not needing a 5th starter at times and so on.
trade hughes and then some for a good young outfielder,trade cano and then some for a good young pitcher or first baseman.a new young catcher in the mix is needed also,i don’t know if cervelli or romine are options yet.
the yankees need a few strikeout pitchers.trade some of the kids and cano to rebuild this team.they have the minor leaguers to do it.they are old,slow and look confused.
2 pitchers,center fielder,first baseman,catcher and corner outfielder,that’s what is needed.between cano,hughes,kennedy,aceves,wright,garcia,ajax,brackman,montero,cervelli,romine,heredia,sanchez,melancon,damon,matsui,betances,miranda and others plus free agency they should be able to get it done.
I am not convinced Abreu won’t be back. In fact I will be very surprised if he isn’t.
Just sayin’
that schilling post is not from me but some imposter.
I hate schilling…
Now let’s get 2 and only 2 runs and tie this baby up and then see what Joba’s got left in the bottom of the 9th!
yea SD is trading peavy… sure for 4 great prospects, why not say let’s get Pujols???
the offense needs as much fixing as the starting rotation, the pitching has produced better then the offense this year that is what the statistics show..
the yanks will need to fill CF, RF, and 1B for sure…..
Why can’t I vote for Joba Chamberlain for player of the game?
We really blew it not trading for Santana.
Who’s pulling the lever on Joba’s inning count?
No thanks to Abreu. I was on the fence with him, but his defense has been nauseating lately.
I love all our guys, but even I can admit our outfield is the worst.
Oh, I have my innings all wrong. Now Joba can come back no matter what happens. Please.
Wilson
you’re not the only one named stuart. if it was you, there would have been some grammatical errors.
So I’m sure some of you have read how Wilson praised GI Joe. Can’t help but think something fruity is going on with him and Joe…
The single most depressing thing about this season has been that in each game that they’ve lost, you’ve known with certainty they were going to lose that game. That they couldn’t make up 1, 2 or 3 run deficits. Sad.
Does any team pack it in like this?
Mo,
We’ve seen a lot worse. Boston ‘06.
Even Georgie Girl Waldman is joining the He-man “tip your cap” Yankee Hater club.
When SHE turns on the Yanks, you know it’s over.
Are we packing it in? I don’t know. Right now they’re flailing and failing against a good bullpen. Maybe the real failure here is that they scored two runs against yet another tomato can.
YAY FOR JOBA!
It is going to be a kick in the gut when the Red Sox win the division and go deep in the playoffs, the Mets win their division and go deep in the playoffs on the back of Santana, and Torre wins his division and is NL manager of the year and potentially goes deep in the playoffs.
Might as well not even turn on ESPN, SNY, WFAN, 1050 etc. or read any NY papers until the WS is over, it will be insufferable.
Thank you Joba. Next time let him pitch 3!
Joba should start next year
He should play winter ball to get some innings. Make him the 5th starter, like stated earlier, and should be able to do a great job. Put a good long relief man in the bullpen like Giese and have him start sometimes in Joba’s place, depending on the team…
I say Yes to Joba starting next year
will k-rod celebrate when he gets the save?
He always does Frank… And Goosage dissed Joba, he obviously never saw K-Rod
yeah the offense is battling.. I mean really no one doubts they will lose today that is how gutless there offense is.
the pitchers did fine again today, the offense stinks..
Joba = only bright spot of this awful season
only prospect who was not overhyped.
HaHa. Tejas ties it up again. C’mon! Burst these announcers’ bubble. They didn’t even talk about the game. Celebration…blah, blah, blah…Angels clinch…blah, blah, blah.
How nice of Jeter to finally show some leadership by calling out the anonymous quote guy….. after the season is already over. Where was that when we were falling apart in August, Cap?
And its even nicer to see Nady revert back to the .270 hitter with 140 Ks that he was expected to be.
Amazing. I can’t even tell the difference in the tone of posts from when they were winning, to when they were losing.
really is there any doubt of the outcome?
arod good ab.. 1 and 14 against Krod..
this team is atroious…
watch him mock the yanks when they win..
we suck..
That was a nasty pitch. Gotta admit.
I don’t know what pisses me off more. Alex swinging through strike 3 or Alex freezing on one. Irrational, I know. Doesn’t happen often, but sometimes it’s ‘argh!’.
Well…. Let’s see if Nady can become a hero today
shut down by another guy with an ERA over 6. I’d be embarrassed if i still cared.
X time! Come on X! I’m cheerleading!
Brandon was right, the Nady trade was awful. I thought he was a nutcase for criticizing it and his love of Tabata, but he proved to be right.
Godzilla time! Come on Godzilla! I’m cheerleading!
Geeze.
2008 Yankees:
Score a run or 2 in the first inning, do nothing the rest of the game, and then tease everyone in the 9th.
How many times have we seen this?
I am not making fun of anybody here, I’m excited about a flicker of life from the Yankees in the 9th inning.
lol, funny how people take time out of their day to profess how much they don’t care.
If I didn’t care about the Yankees at all, this is the very last place I’d be posting.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were cautious with Matsui and pitched to Cano
Snuffed out.
its a way of venting. of course we care. but our expectations have been lowered.
I don’t know what was worse:
-This game
or
-Sitting in my car and listening to Sterling and Suzyn call this game.
Can we get Matsui out of here. Send him back to Japan for his operation. He is not helping. What wrong with Giraldi, let Gardner & Ransom play. Why keep subjecting us to the same torture every game.
The Socks had better hope Beckett is on tonight.
With the red hot Blue Jays and Halladay on the mound tonight, the Socks will be seeing a glare in their rear view mirrors.
With the Yankees all but mathematically eliminated, it wouldn’t bother me one iota to see the Rays and Jays in the playoffs.
Anything but the silly cowtown 200 miles north that has no idea how to handle winning a world championship in a classy manner.
For recent reference, see video of the parade down the Canyon of Heroes last February honoring the G-Men.
really who in there right mind thought they would not watch K rod do his routine on the mound and this pathetic baseball team.
Talk all you want about the pithing issues if there offense was what it should be this team with this pitching wins 98 games..
great AB by the best player in baseball in the 9th, really who is suprised that he got K’d looking?? Really come on, man arod is a fraud anyone who can’t see that is blind as helen keller….
all the talk about abreu he is a poor poor mans paul o”neil with out the fire … He is a stat padder like his buddy afraud…
yea ransom(33) and Gardner would make this team watchable!!!!
Be real….. this team is the biggest waste of moolah in team sports history, that ain’t good ….
“Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.”
Well, guys. It’s not end of the world. Or the journey. Have a good day. Or try to, at least.
Keep losing guys.
Gotta help TB keep the divison lead now.
Plus we still got a few spots to drop to the bottom 15.
Please at least bring Hughes and Kennedy back up Cashman. At least we can watch them get some experience the rest of the way. There’s no other reason left to watch this season, except for Moose’s quest for 20.
100 pitches in 4 innings for Pettitte, he’s either done, or playing hurt.
“Girardi said he believes Pettitte can be an effective starter next season. But he certainly can’t be one of their top three.”
last year everyone was saying Moose was done. premature burial-time.
well, one thing the last few weeks have shown is that the media’s almost season-long carping about Girardi not using the same lineup was meaningless. the same group’s been playing every game the last few weeks. same lame results, alas.
your a real disgrace stuart…never have anything good to say and you always sound unintelligent…classy guy!
Today concluded the final western swing in a Yankee uniform for Giambi with his farewell tour.
well…. that was a great game… sike.
Giambi is such a good guy we need to keep him around. What a classy guy who cares if he did roids or if he can’t hit a volleyball.. he’s just so nice.. lets pick up his option next year so we can all here how great the players on the other teams are.
let’s hear the total crap on the postgame show..
another game with 3 runs or less.
this lineup is a joke, why cannot anyone just say the truth, this lineup sucks the players that make up the lineup suck…
this team prays to hold on when they are ahead literally after 3 innings….. the only way the Yanks could have won is to limit the angels to 1 run.. the yanks were not scoring again today……..
I just can’t wait for the Yanks to buyout Giambi’s contract and bid him farewell. That will be my highpoint of this season!
ZMAN,
I just tore my big toe nail out this weekend. When your done with Katies nails. Can i get a discount for 9? Hell what am i talking about im a guy. Never mind.(TRUE STORY ABOUT THE NAIL).
Glad i didnt watch the game. Its pretty frustrating living in socal and watching young hungry players play half an hour away in Anaheim. While our youngins are either demoted or dead heads.
wow ralphie D I am hurt.. Such comments from a mental midget like you…
WOW…I should lie and say this team is a enjoyable watch and makes me proud..
That can’t be the “real Stuart Little”. He hasn’t called anybody a moron 4 times in one post.
When I left the Yankes were winning 2-1. Guess I didn’t miss an offensive outburst.
The Yankees new goal for the rest of the year should be to avoid being on the field when any of the teams they play clinch anything.
Oh well. I’m working out while I’m watching this over the internet so at least I am spared the YES postgame. You get in those situations in the 9th and start thinking why not us? You picture what the commentary is going to be as the big hit comes and both Ransom and Gardner come in to score. You picture Matsui on second with that little smirk on his face and then you start to wonder how many extra innings this might go. F-Rod blows a save and looks dejected and we are all thrilled that it just might happen for us. Look at our Yankees.
Sux may not have to win another game at this rate. We are handing them the wild card loss by loss.
Sure I would love to see the Yankees miraculously sneak in because I am a Yankee fsn. But it it would really end up being a travesty because they don’t deserve it. The Sux deserve it more, the Rays deserve it more, the Angels certainly deserve it more, even Minny deserves it more. Hell the Jays deserve it more.
My team do or die, but it is what it is. And what it is, is abysmal. I’ve seen lively teams this season, tenacious teams, scrappy teams, energetic teams, hard-working teams. Then I’ve watched the Yankees.
Vote democrat, have someone come and bless the new stadium, keep Rebecca home from games. (Joking Bec
) Do something to bring back a team we can be proud of no matter how the season ends. This isn’t one.
We should bring Hughes and Kennedy up, let’s see if we can get some trade value for Kennedy. We could use him to get someone good this off season.
stuart, why bother watching this team when the only thing they do is frustrate you? don’t got anything better to do?
green beret you want to add you crap..
I remember the other day someone mentioning your stupidity… Different term then moron but more or less the same meaning…
is it mandated to have a sub retard IQ to post here? If the answer is yes RaplhieD and GreenBeret are on the right site…
Let’s be honest, when they didn’t go after Santana, and went with Hughes and Kennedy, they went into a rebuilding mode. When they didn’t make a move for a starter, and stuck with Rasner & Ponson, they gave up on the season. The Yankees are a veteran club and realized that, notice the record after the trading deadline?
12 teams have a better record then we do. Not bad for a team that has far and away the highest payroll in baseball and at the starts of the season was supposed to have one of the better farm systems as well. Im glad we are winning in the minors cuz we can use the excuse that we left all our better players down there so we can atleast have something to show for 200 million dollars this yr. Lets try not to beg the worst GM in sports to come back.
I wonder if i call mlb.com and tell them id prefer to watch our minor leaguers play for a week in the championship games rather than 3 weeks of this. Would they allow me to change plans as an even trade.
How did trenton do last night?
I’m in the Bay Area myself. The good thing about that is I don’t have to pay ridiculous prices to watch an underachieving team. I just go to Oakland and get in for a song
Katie, you sound like a sweetheart, but the only thing Kennedy would bring back in a trade this offseason is a used jock.
“I just can’t wait for the Yanks to buyout Giambi’s contract and bid him farewell. That will be my highpoint of this season!”
No way man we need him back next year. So we can hear him tell us how great the other teams players are. what a great guy. i just love his mustache, hes such a great guy id write an article on him everyday if i could.
pete is right – no one does less with more but I think he should have been talking about cashman
The A’s are an underachieving team? Seems like their level of achievement it just about right, now. Or were you referring to the Raiders?
Amen, Dave!
Nick — I was referring to catching my Yanks on trips to Oakland.
I can’t believe I’ve got tears in my eyes. THIS was the last game. THIS was the game that said to me, without a doubt, the season is done. I know that sounds ridiculous. I’ve known in my head that there was no realistic chance and I’ve known it for a month. But my heart, my heart has still been clinging to hope. And my heart just let go.
And to hear the booth guys talking about how this is the last homestand at the Stadium – and you guys know how I feel (it’s just a building, the players make the history, yada yada) – but it’s still devastating to know this team that’s been such a powerhouse, mistakes and missteps and all in the last couple of years, is going out with a whimper.
ZMan- Wow, I don’t think I have laughed that hard all day. Thanks for that….
Your probably right, but maybe we can trade him to a NL team and get a decent outfielder or something to use. It would be worth a try. He seems more like a NL pitcher to me anyways
stuart
September 10th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
green beret you want to add you crap..
I remember the other day someone mentioning your stupidity… Different term then moron but more or less the same meaning…
is it mandated to have a sub retard IQ to post here? If the answer is yes RaplhieD and GreenBeret are on the right site…
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We may be morons, Stuart, but 95% of the posters know the difference between “then” and “than”. It doesn’t take an English major to know that difference. It’s taught in the 3rd grade. I wouldn’t question anybodys IQ if I (God forbid) were you.
He seems more like a AAA pitcher to me. Lord, this season can’t end soon enough!
“Or were you referring to the Raiders?”
No nick. He couldnt be referring to the Raiders underachieving. They had a good loss on monday.
I like to call it Yankee Stadium West.
“the only thing Kennedy would bring back in a trade this offseason is a used jock.”
Only if they offered to give change back. Kennedy to me is one of those overrated flashes in the pan. His attitude dooms him to be a AAA pitcher, and he even stinks at that at times. When I watched him pitch at McCoy, up close and personal, it struck me that Kennedy is all about Kennedy. There is no I(PK) in team. He exuded that he was better than being at AAA, as he loaded the bases, and his body language on the mound was pathetic. I had to watch that and think that this clown almost ended up at the big dance in the Bronx. I don’t know whether scholarship takes precedence over athletics at USC, but I think he has at least a little of Manny in him.
PLEASE just say no to Alfie. However, I welcome Phil Hughes back with open arms. The kid has no sense of entitlement and really wants to work hard. My opinion.
Well he may be an AAA pitcher, but maybe the Pirates or Washington may want him. God forgive me, but we could get Milledge for him, maybe. (I say god forgive me, because the other day I discussed with Brandon, that Milledge was useless and we should get someone better.)
Girardi Postgame
Andy did a nice job with the 2 strike outs but then they made him pay…. His location wasn’t great but he had 95 pitches through 5….Andy is a pitcher who is going to rely on defense but he wasn’t locating…It’s unusual for Andy to struggle this long but there were some we could of won with some runs…Physically all pitchers have something now, he’s up around 200 innings, but theres nothing that should keep him from pitching….From a mental standpoint, Andy is usually good…He’s in a little slump but maybe if we score alot of runs for him he could get on a roll….Going 5-5 isn’t good because we started off so well…We still have things to play for.
Brandon is on another planet. We couldn’t even get Milledge’s dirty jock for Kennedy.
trisha.. the sux are 24-9 since they jettisoned manny. how can you say with a straight face that they are being handed the wild card?
Doreen i feel ya. This is the first game i could have watch but didnt. I have never missed a chance to see the Yanks on tv. Reality has hit. Now its a countdown game till next year. Dont worry. We will have a blast talking yankees and all the other off topic stuff we come up with. It will get better. This will just make us appreciate our success in the past and our future.
GO YANKEES 27 IN 09!!!
snore
the only thing im looking for for the rest of tje seaon last home game
Interviewed Girardi and Joba, and then the out-of-town report. I guess everyone else was hiding. I can’t say I blame them. Who the heck wants to talk about this? What’s new to say? At least Joba was a different voice saying it.
Honestly, I would try to trade Matsui in the offseason (realizing we won’t get too much in return), obviously cut the cord with Giambi, say goodbye to Pettitte, Ponson, Rasner, et al. I’d offer one year and one year only to Mussina, because I don’t see him being more than a .500 pitcher next year. Abreu is still productive, but he’s too expensive and too old now as well. We need (at minimum) a catcher, a centerfielder, and two strong starters. I think we’re stuck with Cano. Sadly, we’re also stuck with A-Rod and Posada.
Joba
I needed to get multiple innings to get the feel back of it…I learned alot from the injury in having to be patient and in watching everyone…we are all battling…Andy works too hard for stretches like this…We all need to be there for him and support him and listen if he needs to talk….Lots of credit goes to everyone who got me back healthy and my teammates for helping me…We just need to go out and play, do what we can all do and continue to battle.
Geez, Doreen.
I knew we were toast when we lost 4 of 6 to Boston and Baltimore at the end of July.
Stuart no, I am saying that they don’t have to win another game and they’ll still take the wild card because I don’t believe we have 9 more wins in us. But I do believe we have 9 more losses.
I have tickets to the final game. 3 and 1/2 hour ride each way, $350 each for tickets. Do you really think I feel like going to that? I would enjoy it more on television I think because at least I’d get to hang out with people who still might end up with a catch in their throats because of the overall emotions. But do I really want to see the BRONX BOMBERS bid their final farewell to the Stadium and then fight traffic to get home at 3 in the morning? No I don’t.
Doreen, sadly enough and despite what I said, I cannot throw in the towel until we are mathematically eliminated. But I am feeling like Camus’ Stranger as we count down the games.
Camus could start for these Yankees. In fact, he’d probably be paid $10 million a year. Even worse, we’d all root for the dead French writer.
Girardi “We still have things to play for.”
Yeah they’re called paychecks.
You really think we couldn’t even get Washing to bite on Kennedy ZMan? I could see them biting. It would cost them little money.
Besides, rumor has it, they are going to be biting hard on Manny, although unlikely they will get him, they are going to at least try to show their fans they are willing to spend to be halfway decent.
sos27
Thanks. It should be a sizzling hot stove in November.
This may be the first time I choose not to watch the playoffs and WS. But I’m emotional right now, and usually nothing else on worth watching, anyway, so, then again, maybe I will.
Sigh.
i hear ya trisha… can’t say that i blame you.
“Geez, Doreen.
I knew we were toast when we lost 4 of 6 to Boston and Baltimore at the end of July.”
At least you didnt say since the day we didnt get Santana. We have alot of those here.
Wow – Andy’s talking now after the game.
Katie, personally I’d trade Kennedy for a Snickers bar, but that’s just my view. Seriously, though, he has almost no value after this season.
This is really sad that in the last year of this magnificent stadium, that the Yanks haven’t played with the heart we saw in the earlier years. There were no 25-5 streaks, not one player went on a tear to carry the team for a bit. I love Arod, but last year he played for a contract and he let me down. He should be carrying this team on his back! Be a leader! Most of all though is Cano. I really thought he was a future A.L. batting champ, but boy he regressed. Also got a new contract.
Hopefully,
Santabrenner will stuff the clubhouse with Manny.
Manny has been on a terror the last 10 games.
“Camus could start for these Yankees. In fact, he’d probably be paid $10 million a year. Even worse, we’d all root for the dead French writer.”
Hell yeah we would!
Thanks for making me laugh ZMANN! Out loud even.
Its nice that the team wants a protected draft pick. Keep it up guys just do what u have been doing all year and we r set.
Evan don’t count on Manny being Manny in the Bronx.
Lots of folks harp on Cano, and with justification. However, let’s realize that he makes just a fraction of what A-Rod, Jeter, Giambi, Abreu, etc. do. If we compare strictly based on performance for the dollar, Cano is on a par with the rest.
Andy
Extremely frustrating not getting out of the 5th after the 2 Ks….I’m getting worn out early in the games throwing too many pitches and giving up too many hits…Whether I feel like I’m making quality pitches, I’m throwing too many bad pitches and not getting DPS….I feel decent mechanical and physically but theres no doubt I’m having to work too hard…I hate it…I;m a little naged up this year but I think I can pitch through it…It’s just a few nicks and bruises, nothing I need to talk about though….I can still throw the ball…Even if people think we are out of it, I would hope people would play for pride. We get a whole lot of money to play and we should.
Too many bad pitches, not enough double plays that he’s used to getting. Too many hits. Frustrated. He ’s not getting it done. Feels decent mechanically and physically but having to work very hard- not good this late in the season. Same old story – sure you’re all getting tired of it, too. Feels banged up, but feels like it’s something he should get through. More nicks and bruises than he usually would, but not much to talk about. Just compared to last year, being honest, he doesn’t feel as good as last year, but nothing really bad.
Andy hopes that if they think they’re out of the playoffs they should play for pride. Make an awful lot of money to not play hard and he would hope they all feel that way.
I give him a huge amount of credit for talking.
Trish,
That game your going to go to will probably have
1b duncan
2b betimett
3b ransom
c moeller
cf gardner
lf christian
Just remember to have fun and cheer them on. Some of us wish we could drive to see a game at Yankee stadium.
little naged = little banged
Well on the bright side of things, I won’t be tempted to stay up past my bedtime tonight. Hey, the replay of today’s game just came on! Wanna watch?????
Since we’re an ancient, tired team anyway, let’s trot out the following rotation: Camus, Rabelais, Rousseau, Hugo, and Voltaire. Marie Antoinette will be the closer. She can fake with the ball and then throw her head towards home plate.
The Rays/Sox game is on ESPN. 1-0 Rays
Do not hand WC to Sox.
Toronto is in the mix.
They have seven more games with Sox and Sox have to play Rays as well.
As far as Yankees go, may be it is not a bad idea to drop to 15 worse teams so that thier first round pick will be protected even if they sign CC or some other type A Free agent. But it is not going to happen.
On July 26, the Yanks were 1 game behind Bostona and 3 out of 1st. Amazing, the slide that would come down on them.
I’m so sad that I’ve grown tired of Andy but I have. Nice guy and all but he has his HGH stigma and the karma that goes with it.
I just want to say for anyone who’ll listen. Dumb as this is going to sound unless your head is there, the Sux tried everything in their power to get rid of the curse of the Bambino (anyone remember how Pedro said the Bambino could kiss his butt and then lost something like 10 straight games in a row – or mayhbe 10 straight games to the Yanks, and then said publicly that he was only kidding?) and I mean everything. They threw his piano in a river in Massachusetts, his daughter came to games and sat in the owner’s box, a philanthropist who lives in RI bought the original contract for I don’t know how much and tore it up and sold pieces of it for charity, Sux fans would troop to his grave and leave his favorite cigars and beer. Nothing worked. Then they resorted to having a priest do some sort of exorcism of the little crapbox or something, or blessing it. And the suckers won the world series.
Desperate people do desperate things. I absolutely admit I am superstitious. I think you all know that by now. Can’t help it. Are the ghosts in the Stadium angry that their hallowed ground is being turned into a parking lot or whatever’s going to happen with it. The only thing I can think of is the curse of the republican president. I can tell you that I might not vote for a democrat just to see the Yankees win but I will add that I am distressed enough with the state of our country that I absolutely feel compelled to vote “not republican”.
Any port in a storm.
Thanks for listening to the ramblings of a madwoman!
Well, I am off to shower and do a few things. I might be back later to see all about what Pete has to say about the game.
I’ll say it for him.
We sucked today, like most of the season, we can’t pitch nor hit our way into anything except a dp.
“The Rays/Sox game is on ESPN. 1-0 Rays”
Some good news (even though we helped their damned magic number go down! Grr.)
That I will head upstairs to watch.
Trisha: are you a pothead?
“Since we’re an ancient, tired team anyway, let’s trot out the following rotation: Camus, Rabelais, Rousseau, Hugo, and Voltaire. Marie Antoinette will be the closer. She can fake with the ball and then throw her head towards home plate.”
Laughing til tears came out of my eyes, especially about Marie Antoinette! I have to do the shower after workout thing but will then come back and watch the Sux game. I hope to have a team of ancients that will top yours, with a kicker at the end of course!
Doreen,
Hang in there. Better days are ahead.
“Trisha: are you a pothead?”
Nah. Just an abstract thinker. Not always a good thing.
actually, i found that to be quite interesting. thanks trisha … now what should the yanks do to appease the angry ghosts?
“actually, i found that to be quite interesting. thanks trisha … now what should the yanks do to appease the angry ghosts?”
I think they should have kept the Ortiz jesey. Pissed on it and re-burried it. That would do the reverse effect.
S.O.S. I hear ya. And I will. No way anyone is going to want to buy the tickets from me! My ex is coming into town and wants to do the “can we make this thing work out” thing. He doesn’t hate the Yankees as much as he hates my love for the Yankees
So anyway I talked him into going to the game with me. When I did I thought we had more of a shot of making the playoffs than we do now. I’m sure that this trek will be beyond painful for him. My Yankee thing was always a thorn in his side.
Nice to see Josh Beckett being less than automatic.
Be back.
“actually, i found that to be quite interesting. thanks trisha … now what should the yanks do to appease the angry ghosts?”
Dennis thanks! And that’s a good question. I wonder if we can think of something that makes sense. The best of the best of the Yanks have played on that field.
Will be back shortly.
trish,
Well be assured that you and your ex will not fix things if you take him to that game. Driving 3 hours to a AAAA game with someone who isnt a fan wont be a delight. Good luck.
WE SUCK. PLEASE END THIS NOW.
Intriguing notion for Manny to return to his roots. The need for Manny increases with each passing game as the ineptitude and inconsistency is apparent even to the uninformed. If the offense is to improve, Manny may be the only big game in town. Even assuming Tex would leave the Angels for big $$$ and a long term deal it might not make sense; Arod, with 9 years remaining gets bulkier, slower, less agile (even clutzier) each day, and his years as an acceptable third baseman are numbered..2 to 3 more at the most. Jeter obviously has fallen off defensively and at the most he has a like number remaining. Where are two to play? DH and 1b where everybody is chomping at the bit to play given the across the board declining skill level of virtually all our overage guys….Matsui (I can play first, I’ve played it in Little League), Johnny D (I can play anywhere, I just want to play, and I promise you I will not drop the ball),Jorge, who will probably have a percentage caught stealing rate of 10% at the most, and no one will want to pitch to him, Abreu, (when management finally realizes that his wall phobic tendencies and related defensive foibles can no longer be carried by his excellent arm),when he indeed comes to the realization that nobody wants him at a number within mailing distance of his outrageous current stipend. It indeed is and will be a logjam, especially if Cashman is back. Tex, as good as he is, simply complicates matters, mainly due to the Arod and Jeter scenarios some 2-4 years hence. Manny makes great sense if his actions in Beantown (other than shoving the elderly gentleman which is inexcusable)were viewed in the context that “it is Boston” which is not known for treating its fallen heroes fairly…check with Nomar, Pedro, Clemens, Vaughn. I live in LA (tho of couse NOT a Dodger fan as I remain loyal to my roots) and have appreciated first hand what Manny has meant both on the field and in the clubhouse….it’s a clean slate. If you have any doubts check out the articles @LATIMES.com, particularly those of T.J. Simers. Will LA make an acceptable offer? Highly unlikely as McCourt is as penurious as they come particularly after getting burned by Jones, Schmidt and Pierre. If the Yankees want him, they probably have him. They need him in the most compelling of ways. When it’s clutch time, no one compares to the ManRam. If you don’t mind a guy who looks like he’s dressed for a pajama party, he is the man and should be here next year to allow the Yankees to compete to reclaim the “mantle” of the late 90’s.