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Hank riding to the rescue of the Yankees

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 11, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This should provide comfort to Yankee fans.

“I’m going to be reviewing the entire organization,” Hank Steinbrenner told the AP in Tampa today. “We’re going to do everything we can to win next year. We’re not going to wait. Do everything we can that makes sense. We’re going to fix what we have to fix. We’re going to have to look at what has been done wrong over the last five years, which I’ve had one year to try and figure out. Clearly, a lot of mistakes were made.”

In what could be a move that drives Brian Cashman out the door, Steinbrenner is looking at setting up an advisory group to help run the team.

“If Brian stays on as GM, that doesn’t mean he won’t be the No. 1 guy,” Steinbrenner said. “But the fact is, the more opinions the better. I think that’s probably the best way. It worked in the 90’s, and it can work again.”

So, a guy who spent most of the last 20 years around horses and has attended three games in person all year is going to review the entire operation then put together an advisory group. That makes perfect sense.

Here is what the Yankees should do: Give Brian Cashman two years and total autonomy. That takes him through the end of Joe Girardi’s contract. If Cashman and his hand-picked manager don’t have the team going in the right direction by then, blow it all up and start over.

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315 Responses to “Hank riding to the rescue of the Yankees”

  1. Gary September 11th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    couldnt be any worse than this yr.

  2. Joe from Long Island September 11th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    I see your point, Pete, but I don’t think this approach is necessarily a problem.

    The devil is in the details. Depending how it’s set up, and the working relationships, especially with Cash and ownership, and the “advisory group”, it may work out fine. I know guys have egos, especially at higher levels. But, who knows? What if one of the advisors is Gene Michael, one of the architects of the 90s dynasty, and someone who’s worked well with Cash over the years (or so I’ve read). Or Pat Gillick, who is also reported to be on good terms with Cash. Let it play out.

  3. Trevor September 11th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    He just likes to talk. I wouldn’t read too much into what he says. Fact is he doesn’t have total control but shares it with Hal. If he wants to do something Hal has to agree to it.
    All he does is run his mouth. He likes to hear himself talk and read his name in the papers. I remember reading someone last year where someone asked Hal about his lack of interest in talking with the media (he doesn’t like talking to the media) and he said “that’s what Hank is for.”
    Pay no attention to what Hank says.

  4. PUDGE, THE 08 CURSE September 11th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    “Give Cashman 2 Years”????

    Are you serious Pete?

    Guy can’t leave town soon enough.

  5. Tyler September 11th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Amen Pete. Hit it right on the head.

  6. Briantrust September 11th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Pete, It’s looking obvious at this point that Hal is the brains of the operation, choosing to stay in the background, and Hank is for lack of a better word a PR guy. He’s just mini-George.

  7. t-rock September 11th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    What’s wrong with what Hank said?

    The more people involved, the better. Cashman’s youth movement was a disaster and he has said that he is reluctant to give out long term deals. This is the biggest off-season in decades, we cannot let Cashman screw it up by being conservative.

    Ever since Cashman gained full control, we have sunk lower and lower each year. He has proven he cannot handle it by himself.

  8. pat September 11th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    That’s nice. I’ll wait until Hal checks in before I believe any of it.

  9. zellyanks91 September 11th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    I like what I’m reading here. People complain about Hank..and make fun that he knows nothing, but honestly..either did George when he first started. Hank has the same personality as George to me. They are one in the same. I expect big splashes this off-season. They usually land someone big during Hannukah time. haha

    Kevin

  10. Vrsce September 11th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Bring back Watson

  11. AJ YANKS September 11th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Yeah, I’m sure Brian Cashman is just dying to go to 2nd rate franchises like the Mariners or Nationals where he can have all the control in the world but no farm system, low budget, apathetic ownership/fanbases, and in divisions occupied by powerhouse teams for the foreseeable future (Angels/Mets).

    Career suicide for him– he isn’t out-smarting anyone if he decides to leave.

  12. Katie September 11th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    We need the Boss to fix the organization, after all he was the one who started the Dynasty and effectively ended it by giving his kids too much power. The Boss can work miracles…

  13. steve September 11th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    cashman, hank, hal are all failures

    stick michaels need to wrestle control from all of these clowns and right this ship himself.

  14. Katie September 11th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    I say the Yankees bring in Randolph and Mattingly and have them Coach.

    Mattingly, I thought, was going to get the job. I thought he deserved it and would work well with the team because he knew them and knew how to ride them. Bring back Pena too.

  15. Ford Motor company September 11th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    I think the AAA manager deserves a shot in running the entire organization.

  16. Vrsce September 11th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    Sometimes the whole is less than the sum of the parts.

    They have lots of options this offseason. getting rid of many fat unproductive contracts is step one.

  17. diodio September 11th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    I agree with giving Cashman two years. But they should go for it next year, and start rebuilding the team. Get Tex and CC Sabathia. Thats a good start.

  18. talltenor September 11th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    If I’m Cashman, I’m outta here.

    “It worked in the 90′s” because George got himself banned from baseball for a couple of years, which meant he couldn’t meddle.

    Hank is enough to make me become a Sawx fan.

  19. Tank September 11th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    As usual with Hank, he has the right idea but it comes off as bluster.

    - We DO need a thorough evaluation from top to bottom. The whole operation needs to be torn down and we need to fix what went wrong. There was so much failure and miscalculations at the majors, minors, business department, everything. From the Inoa whiffing, to the Cole fiasco, to the injuries of all our young pitchers, to the lack of festivities to close the stadium etc. there were far too many ominous signs. I am glad Hank recognizes this and isn’t buying the “just a bad year” mantra that Cashman seems to be preaching.

    - We do need to win next year, no excuses. Moving into the new stadium coming off a bad year, it is imperative. Cashman had his shot and it didn’t work. Time to move on. These are not the KC Royals, this is a billion dollar corporation.

    - Cashman should not be the sole voice of this billion dollar corporation. Everybody deserves their say. As AJ Yanks said, if Cashman doesn’t like it then let him fade into the oblivion in the Nationals organization, if thats what he wants. He has proven he cannot handle having full autonomy. A lot of the misfortunes this year occured under his watch (Inoa/Cole etc.), so clearly something is not right.

  20. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut September 11th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    I think setting up an advisory board is a smart move. Cashman hasn’t shown that he can judge pitching talent very well.

    Pitching has been the biggest problem for at least 5 years now. The Yankees need to bring in some smart baseball minds and look at what needs to be done to set things right.

  21. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    What problems do you guys have with Cashman? Jeter gets old, Cano sucks, Melky sucks, Posada gets hurt, Matsui gets hurt, Hughes gets hurt, Kennedy sucks, Wang gets hurt. Who could have predicted all of these things happening?

  22. pat September 11th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Jeter nominated by his teammates for the Marvin Miller Man of the Year award. Here’s the link if you want to vote.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fan_for.....ballot.jsp

  23. Jose September 11th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    If Hal is such a Cashman supporter like all of you seem to believe, then why did Hal go behind Cashman’s back to give Posada 4 years and re-sign Arod when he opted out– two moves Cashman was vehemently against? Madden and Heyman confirmed this as well. Hal supposidly has the “power” right? that means he had to sign off on those deals even though Cashman was not in favor of them.

    So if Hal overruled Cashman on contracts, but not trading prospects, then its ok? So the principal of overruling the GM is fine but the application is a case to case basis?

  24. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    “Get Tex and CC Sabathia”

    If the Yankees sign CC Sabathia or AJ Burnett to big free agent contracts this year then it’s clear they just don’t get it. Both guys are walking time bombs due to being overworked and could easily end up being the new Barry Zitos. No need to take that kind of risk when we should clearly be in a re-building mode.

  25. Mark (Brett is back) September 11th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    History Channel has a new documentry on the 9/11 right now. It is rough to watch, and bring back so many memories. I don’t even know why I am watching this.

    Puts little baseball and our Yanks really in perspective for myself.

  26. mark007 September 11th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    hughes seems to have lost a lot of luster in the eyes of cashman as evident by that interview and seems to actually be annoyed…. maybe brian is finally seeing the light.

    good for him for not making much of hughes’ meaningless minor league stats and realizing the youth movement failed, a step in the right direction fpr cashman

  27. Thomas September 11th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Wait 2 more years?

    The fans don’t want to wait 2 more years Pete.

    If the Yankees aren’t in the playoffs next year it’s a DISGRACE.

    Make some serious changes this offer & throw some serious $$$$ on the table.

  28. bigjf September 11th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    I have an opinion, hire me. I’ll even be your GM. Give me $1 million and I’ll let you call all the baseball moves, Hank.

    Seriously though, this is just more hot air. We’ve seen that to this point. Nothing happens without Hal’s consent, and Hal seems to be the sane one.

  29. randy l September 11th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    i would like to give cashman two more years… in a maximum security prison for impersonating a general manager.

  30. swc September 11th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Fourth place. Embarrassing. Too bad they ALL can’t get fired.

  31. Dr. J September 11th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Hal knows whats up… he is a smart business man. He knows what declining YES Network ratings and no postseason means for the finances and it’s not pretty. We can absolve the hit this year but from next year on, it will be impossible to do.

    That’s why they will go all out to win next year. Their building of the stadium made the Yankees an entertainment business as well as a baseball one. As a result, we must win and put a winning product on the field.

    Relax, Hal will not let Cashman get conservative, he knows winning is first next year. He gave Cashman 1 yr to play around with his youth movement, it was unsuccessful, now its time to move on. Trust in prince Hal.

  32. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    What exactly do you all expect to happen this offseason to improve the team?

  33. andy Hawkin's ghost September 11th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    “The more opinions the better.” MOTHER OF GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  34. t-rock September 11th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Hughes may someday be a good #2-3 starter. If we can get a good young position player for him, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

    Joba is our crown jewel, everyone else can be had if the right offer comes along.

  35. bob September 11th, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Too be fair, I doubt even Bush knows what the bush doctrine is.

  36. Tom September 11th, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Who was the last player the Yankes drafted that became an impact player for them before Joba? correct me if I’m wrong but Cano and wang were international FA’s right? Sometimes I think that the only thing Cashman is good at is “handling the pressure” of working for George and Hank. He has shown no ability in being a judge of pitching talent whatsoever and all of his post Justice moves have involved throwing money around like a drunken idiot.

  37. Zooboy September 11th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Hold the phone; is SJ Hank?

  38. Tony C September 11th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Maybe they should set up a “braintrust” in Tampa like the old days so Hank can receive lots of opinions. Then we’ll have the N.Y. faction vs the Tampa gang which worked so well in the ’80s.

  39. Save us Y2J September 11th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    People wanted Torre gone and Girardi here, and this is what happened. People want Cashman gone and then what? Remember in 1998, Cashman brought guys in who ended up winning three world series. He knew how to bring in necessary team players. I believe we can do this again. If you sign anyone who hits more than 30 hrs a season, you are doomed. Find people who hit 15 to 20 and a .300 avg. I dont think CC is as much a risk as AJ.

  40. Weather Man September 11th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    SJ actually has good ideas, I would hope he is Hank.

    Even Joel Sherman has more creativity than Cashman.

  41. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Cashman doesn’t even run the drafts and now he’s getting blamed for not having any “impact” players?

  42. Ford Motor company September 11th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Is it tied?

  43. GreenBeret7 September 11th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Whoever compared Hank Steinbrenner to his father when he first bought the team, is correct. George knew sports (football and basketball) but he didn’t have a clue as to baseball or it’s rules. He didn’t even know the players on his team. More than halfway through the first spring training, he was down on the field and yelled at Ralph Houk to tell #1 to get his hair cut. #1 was Bobby Murcer.

    In another game, there were two outs, base loaded and a grounder to shortstop. The runner crossed home plate but, the runner was out at first. Steinbrenner was jumping up and clapping his hands and cheering. Al Rosen asked why he was so happy and George said because the score was now tied because the runner scored before the out was made. He was livid about the scoring rules when it was explained to him. He was talking about getting the rules changed. Hank is about that bad, but, he may learn.

  44. Pepitone September 11th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    “In addition to the GM spot, Steinbrenner is looking at setting up an advisory group, such as the one his father established before the Yankees’ run of four World Series titles from 1996-2000.
    “If Brian stays on as GM, that doesn’t mean he won’t be the No. 1 guy,” Steinbrenner said. “But the fact is, the more opinions the better. I think that’s probably the best way. It worked in the 90′s, and it can work again.”

    I like the idea. This organization needs a vision, then stick to it. Too many decisions have been based on, “we have the money let’s just buy a championship!” We have wasted the last 5 years seeing that that philosophy does not, nor can it ever, work.

    Get the baseball people in here to look over the entire organization from top to bottom, make a consensus recommendation, then let the owners decide which is best. Corporations do this constantly when they hire consultants to help with restructuring.

    I’m not for spending one penny on a free agent until this franchise has a vision of where they want to go, and what kind of players will best fit in that new vision. Unless that’s done signing free agents will do nothing but patch nine inch gashes with a band aid.

  45. hank hal September 11th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Cashman would have some nerve to ask for full autonomy coming off a 4th place finish and not playing a meaningful game after August 15th, while Generation “Nay” turned out to be Generation Uno (Joba) while the other 2 phenoms are toiling away in AAA.

    Tell him to take a hike if he wants full control. If Stick doesn’t get full control, how does Cashman?

  46. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Yeah, having a brain trust sounds terrifying. The Yankees had horrible luck this year, not only with injuries but with a once-in-a-decade phenomenon springing up in their own division. The team’s offensive numbers actually aren’t all that bad, amazingly. It’s the pitching that killed them, and the pitching was decimated by injuries.

    What bothers me is that Girardi isn’t giving the young guys enough playing time now. The next 16 games should be our rebuilding mini-season. I know Pettite feels guilty because he gets paid so much, but too bad. Every day, Girardi says we need to win every game. Hey, we lost yesterday – does that mean the season’s done? It’s time to give up on 2008. Tip of the hat to the Rays and what’s their names. Now let’s see some forethought regarding next season.

  47. yanksince57-is this 1959 or is it 1965? September 11th, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    so who do we miss most?
    ensberg
    farnsworth
    gonzalez
    hawkins
    henn
    karstens
    ohlendorf
    patterson
    sexson
    traber

  48. James (ho my gawd..pavano is pitching) September 11th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    I love this stuff from Hank..Keep it coming big man!

  49. Barry Lane September 11th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Jeter didn’t get old…he played with a broken bone in his hand. And before you say he shouldn’t have played, if not Derek, then who? Even with a power downturn, how many stronger offensive shortstops are there in the American League. And let’s only compare those with 500 hundred or more at bats. As far as the National League is concerned, their overall stats are suspect for a variety of reasons, but if you use inter league play as a barometer, they guy with the most hits is Derek.

    Barry

  50. Mark (Brett is back) September 11th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Hawkins we miss the most haha. He has a 0 ERA with the Stros. How is that possible?

  51. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    By the way, I get that the offensive numbers are way down compared to last year, and that we underperformed, but they still were respectable from a league-wide perspective. Instead of scoring 6 runs a game, as we did last year, we scored 5. Still quite a few. (That they maybe came in a bunch of meaningless blow-outs is for someone smarter than me to argue.)

  52. Redding September 11th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    I don’t get it… isn’t gathering a committee of smart baseball minds a good idea?

    What exactly has Cash done to want full control? This is the most important off-season we’ve had in a long time and will set the tone for the next decade. Cashman should NOT be the only one with input. This is a good idea. This offseason will require out of the box thinking which Casman clearly lacks. Having a meeting of the minds where everyone has their say is good.

  53. pat September 11th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    If the Yankees want to develop a braintrust, the important questions are who picks the group and who do they answer to.

  54. LT September 11th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    You can tell most of you are under the age of 35 or have very poor memories.
    Hank is George circa 1973 he didn’t know anything about baseball all he wanted to do was win, the press hated him made fun of him etc……… now he is viewed as the best owner the Yanks ever had. Give Hank the chance

  55. Tom September 11th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Maybe what the Yankees need is somebody new from outside the organization to come in and take over. The yankees appear to be stuck in the mud, much like the RedSox were in the waining years of the dan duquette era. While I tend to belive Media Darling Theo is over-rated (have you seen jacoby ellsbury’s ops–it’s melky like), you can’t argue with the results. He has been able to do what Cashman has not…build a farm team while winning.

  56. zellyanks91 September 11th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    GreenBeret7- that wasme..that compared him to his father. I think he will learn..just like his father did. Sure, Hank and the organization didn’t pull the trigger on Santana, but that doesn’t mean they won’t bring in any big names in the future. Anything can happen..even if they sucked or were good for the team…they always brought in those high priced players: Brown, Pavano, Wright, Sheffield, Giambi, Johnson, Rodriguez, Damon, Abreu, Mussina, Clemens, Fielder, Strawberry, Igawa, Cone, Matsui, Justice, O’Neill, Mondesi, Vazquez…etc.

    Kevi

  57. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    We did the committee thing already when George had his Tampa crew signing Jarret Wright a few years ago at which point Cashman demanded full control. Why go back to that now?

  58. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    I shudder at the thought of a bunch of “baseball people” coming in and acting like consultants.

    I say, bring in a bunch of kids with laptops.

    Maybe the Yankees should hire Billy Beane. (I’m not kidding.)

  59. Adam in LA September 11th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Though we all have egos, Cashman wouldn’t have stayed in this job so successfully all these years if he couldn’t sublimate a bit. He can deal with Hank and Hal. There are two of them and though we hear a lot more from Hank, he doesn’t go to the games so why should we assume he’s more important than Hal. If Cash has any pride he must want to stay for two years and make this work. He’s not going to Seattle. Nationals are a problem. If he does go it will be to the Phillies.

  60. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Tom.

    Maybe you forgot, but the Red Sox missed the playoffs during their rebuilding process and Theo remained in control to see it through.

  61. LT September 11th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    How many playoff series has Billy Beane won. He just like to trade away talent. He’s afraid to go anywhere else because he might have to perform at least now he has an excuse because he has a cheap owner

  62. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    “How many playoff series has Billy Beane won. He just like to trade away talent. He’s afraid to go anywhere else because he might have to perform at least now he has an excuse because he has a cheap owner”

    Are you seriously suggesting that Billy Beane isn’t a good GM?

  63. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    True enough, LT.

    More realistically, the Yanks might need someone who has absorbed the lessons of the past few years and has some fresh ideas.

    Then again, I thought Girardi was such a person, and so far he looks lost. I hope he knows something he’s not telling us.

    But absent some brilliant new candidate, I’d like to see Cashman return. I think his instincts are correct, and I don’t blame him for this year.

  64. Reggie44 September 11th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    No surprise here. Hank probably read the article in New York Magazine about him, Hal and George and doesn’t like that they painted a poor picture of him. It’s total PR…

    http://nymag.com/news/sports/49941/

    Why The Yankees Are Fading Without George Steinbrenner

    “As the tyrant fades away and his team fades with him, it has now become all too apparent that the Boss was really the straw that stirred the drink.”

    Pete – maybe you should pick up a side gig writing for NY Mag ;)

  65. LT September 11th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Tell me what he has won in the last few years.

  66. GreenBeret7 September 11th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    The thing is, Boston has been selecting players ahead of NYY for 13 years, before last year. NYY sometimes didn’t get their first selection until the 58-60th pick. Hard to get top of the line picks that far down. Boston was sometimes getting 2 top 25 picks and some from the supplimental rounds. In the mean time, NYY was winning the AL East.

  67. wolf man (2008 is over) September 11th, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    red sox had real young talent, we have no position talent and overhyped pitchers like hughes and kennedy

    joba is our rebuilding along with relief pitchers and austin jackson. everybody else is in A-ball or lower or overhyped.

    glad to see this fraud rebuilding stage is over. we accomplished NOTHING this year, the veterans sent us to 4th place because the kids were so bad.

  68. James (oh my gawd..pavano is pitching) September 11th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    “We’re going to do everything we can to win next year. We’re not going to wait. Do everything we can that makes sense. We’re going to fix what we have to fix…”

    Translation:

    We’re going to sign CC and Tex and maybe another pitcher..we might even trade some young guys. And if Cash doesn’t like it, lets hope the door doesn’t hit him in the A** on the way out!

  69. Jeff NJ September 11th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    I get the feeling Hank reads this blog, and he like many of us tend to think that SJ44 usually knows what he’s talking about, although he does tend to bluster a bit too. In other words, Hank is basically one of us, a big time fan who knows the best place to talk about the Yankees is right here. It’s a credit to Peter.

    I will save the Yankees time and money. After all the new bureacratic meetings, presentations, pie charts and number crunching, this is what they should do:

    Sign CC Sabathia
    Sign AJ Burnett
    Resign Moose
    Resign Abreu
    Trade Cano and Kennedy for a legit up and coming CF
    Trade Damon, Coke and Jackson for a legit up and coming 1B
    Put Joba in the rotation
    Sign a good glove fundamentally sound 2B
    Exercise Marte’s option
    Welcome back Wang

    Rotation: CC, AJ, CMW, Joba, Moose

  70. KING FELIX September 11th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    stick wanted santana, he knows how to evaluate talent. give stick full control. his opinion is the only one that should matter because he built the dynasty

  71. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    The idea that Phil Hughes is a failed prospect is beyond laughable. I just realized why I avoided this site all year.

  72. Showalter '09 September 11th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Glad to see Hank pave the way for Cashman’s exit.

    Stick and Showalter, redux– we will be winning again in no time. Showalter is a real baseball mind.

  73. Pepitone September 11th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    “we must win and put a winning product on the field.”

    I’m a Yankee fan, been one since 1963, and I’m sure this poster means well, but this is the kind of attitude that got us in this mess to begin with.

    We must put together a team that has the best chance of winning. Winning is not guaranteed, period. You have to decide what kind of team is successful: Good pitching; Good defense; Speed: Good GM; Good Manager. These have been the ingredients for success throughout the history of baseball. I think the Yankees have 2 of the ingredients (GM and Manager, although my confidence in Girardi has waned a bit), but they definitely do not have the first three. Signing Sabathia is not going to guarantee anything!! I’m like a lot of people on this blog, I don’t like his weight, and i don’t like his overuse by the Brewers this year. Sabathia, Burnett, and Sheets are all risky, and not worth the money and guaranteed years they will demand.

    Being a Yankee fan does not give us a birthright to the WS every year. Get over it!

    This team is going to need to be rebuilt, and that takes work. It will be interesting to see if the Yankee braintrust is willing to do the work (and have the patience) that is necessary to build a successful team. Signing free agents and spending millions isn’t the answer.

  74. LT September 11th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    we agree on that one Reno

  75. jennifer- I got your back Girardi September 11th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    that stupid jerk Elliot Johnson just won the game for the Bulls. Hughes on the mound tomorrow night to win.

  76. Jeff NJ September 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Just for the record, when I say sign Jackson, I was thinking Steven Jackson type, not A Jax.

  77. Clint September 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Hughes will be a fine #2-3 starter someday… a guy you hang onto, but not someone who is untouchable in a trade. If a good offer comes around, you deal him.

  78. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Sign CC Sabathia – Overworked this year will be injured before the end of the big contract he gets.
    Sign AJ Burnett – Overworked this year and injury prone
    Resign Moose
    Resign Abreu
    Trade Cano and Kennedy for a legit up and coming CF – Name one that these guys would bring back.
    Trade Damon, Coke and Jackson for a legit up and coming 1B – Name one you’d want to give up Jackson for.
    Put Joba in the rotation
    Sign a good glove fundamentally sound 2B – How about we just get one that can hit?
    Exercise Marte’s option
    Welcome back Wang

    Rotation: CC, AJ, CMW, Joba, Moose

  79. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Well said, Pepitone, but you left out offense! Is that just a given?

  80. george September 11th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    what’s so bad about Hank wanting to revert towards the 1990s Yankees as an organizational model?

    that was an OK era.

  81. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    “Hughes will be a fine #2-3 starter someday… a guy you hang onto, but not someone who is untouchable in a trade. If a good offer comes around, you deal him.”

    Do you realize how insanely valuable a #2-3 pitcher is? People throw that around like it’s nothing. Without good guys behind Joba we’ll end with Rasners every year.

  82. GreenBeret7 September 11th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Zelli, you’re right. He’ll learn. Just wish there were better advisors beyond Gene Michael. George had Gabe Paul, Al Rosen and others. Cashman traded the thing that NYY had most…money. They had no players because of people like Billy Conners and Trost, Levine and the Group Of Tampa Idiots. Cashman made good deals and some bad ones Like Brown, although Brown started out well. Igawa, Wright, and Mondesi were bad choices. The others had their moments, though, and they all contributed to East titles.

  83. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    George, I think most people would say there are two 1990s eras: the early one, when the Boss was banned and Stick built the dynasty with not much interference, and the late, when the bozos in Tampa kept sending Torre players he didn’t want. Torre finally told them to F off.

  84. G. Love September 11th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Pete,

    I love ya, but the idea that Cashman has earned another 2 years of complete autonomy is silly.

    He’s show his player evaluation skills at every level of the system are lacking and he basically hung the major league team out to dry this year and shifted the organizational focus to just kids almost overnight which strongly contradicted the off season re-signings of veteran free agents to long term deals.

    When you re-sign Posada, Arod, Abreu, Mo, Pettitte, it means you’re going for it and it means you trade for Johan. Cashman treated trading for Johan like a petulant schoolkid being told to clean up his room and I think his attitude in the deal had a big part to do with it’s outcome.

    He completely misjudged the talent of players he could have traded for Johan and now he’s forcing ownership to give out a more lucrative higher dollar contract to CC than they would have give to Johan this past off season.

    He doesn’t deserve any more autonomy and if he wants to remain, he should be surrounded by real baseball people. Not the Tampa mafia, but people in NY who he has to work with and take their opinions.

    If he doesn’t like that and all of sudden thinks he’s some baseball superscout, then he should go and watch his career go down the toilet in another city.

    Hank is great and what he said today makes me feel better. It makes me feel that they actually realize the colossal screw up this season has been from the off season to the draft till this point.

    Cashman had complete autonomy on all those decisions and every single one, save bringing back Mariano, turned out horrible.

    Other GM’s get fired for seasons like this.

    He should be thankful and lucky if they still let him return.

  85. Jorge Tabata September 11th, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    G Love,

    Excellent post. Cashman has earned nothing and is not in any position to make demands and doesn’t have a clue what he is doing.

  86. Bo knows September 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    George got run off and the the Yankees got lucky by getting Bernie, Posada and Jeter, later Pettite. So things continued to this day. They have been patching every year. The committee out of Tampa ruined the whole team until Cashman insisted on control and began by rebuilding the farm system, at least the pitching. Now they want to go back to committee, that only works if you need a camel intending a horse. In committee no one is responsible, someone has to be in charge, someone has to make decisions, have a plan.

  87. Gary September 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    What Hank is referring to is giving Cashman more help rather than him trying to virtually wing it alone. All he has right now is Jean Afterman who basically handles contracts.
    What Cashman needs is true baseball advisors such as what Buck Showalter can bring to the table rather than interference from the likes of Randy Levine or Lonn Trost who are suited for the business side only.
    The organization also needs upgrading with scouts at both the major league and minor league levels.

  88. Jorge Tabata September 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    BTW Cashman was right. AAA is not what it used to be anymore

  89. Tom September 11th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    George almost ruined this team in the 80s. He tried for a decade to do what worked for him in the late 70s buy everybody. It worked in the 70s…Reggie, Goose, Catfish ect. And they won. In the 80s the yankees had teams that shoud have won, but never did (that ’85 team still angers me). Then from about ’88 on the Yankees started to go down hill. George still spent like crazy–Jack Clark numerous old pitchers. The farm went dry–Jay Buhner, Al leiter, Jose Rio–all traded for old junk. The George Got himself banned for Life. I remember watching that game on WPIX and they showed the announcement. all 25 people in the stands cheered. so did I. Then with george gone real Baseball people took over the yankees. They stopped trading prospects and signing old guys and things started to change….Drafted people like jeter, posada, traded for some reds of. Signed Key…didn’t trade Bernie..No more Mel Halls or Jesse Barfields….

  90. Pepitone September 11th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    “The idea that Phil Hughes is a failed prospect is beyond laughable.’

    Ahmen to that, Reno.

    These are the same guys who would have signed off on the Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio trade by the Cubs in 1964; “Brock, who needs Brock, he can’t hit above .260. Better to get a veteran pitcher that will help us win now.”

    All Brock did was lead the Cardinals to 2 WS victories, and 3 pennants, while having a Hall of Fame career. Oh, and Broligo? He’s somewhere in Tuscaloosa selling watermelons.

  91. Brian September 11th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Hughes has been labeled as a future number 1. Just because he had a bad season I dont see why people lower they”re expectations.

    I for one, HATE hank, and take nothing he says seriously.

    No reason to trade Hughes, Moose has at best one more effective year. And then what? we are left looking for a starting pitcher.

  92. murphydog September 11th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    “It worked in the 90’s, and it can work again.”

    What worked in the 90s was a “lifetime” ban on Steinbrenner – not an advisory committee. Although the lifetime ban was only temporary, it was long enough to let some real baseball people put together the most recent Dynasty.

    Last night and earlier today everybody was burying Jeter. Apparently all the baseball sages here have determined that Jeter sucks as Captain because he won’t admit to reporters that the race is over, he is in denial, is spoiled and expects everything to be handed to him. Um, OK…

    And now we’re back to burying Cash again. Cash gets two years to undo all the damage of the Free Agent boom and farm program bust orchestrated by Big Stein starting in 2000 and now he’s an incompetent GM that needs an advisory committee. Hilarious. Maybe with this new advisory committee Cash will see it coming instead of getting stabbed in the back by the old Tampa Mafia. At least that would be an improvement over the old bad old days.

    Skip the advisory board. Baseball should consider a new ban, this time on Hank Steinbrenner, in the best interests of the Yankees ;)

  93. Pepitone September 11th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    “Well said, Pepitone, but you left out offense! Is that just a given?”

    If you’ve got pitching, speed, and defense, you really don’t need much offense – cf. the Dodgers of the 60′s, and the Marlins of 2003 as just 2 examples.

  94. GreenBeret7 September 11th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Austin Jackson had better hit NYY running. Nothing less than a .320 average, 40 steals, 90 RBI, 25 homers and winning a Gol Glove in center field will ever be enough for fans of this team. God forgive him if he has a down year or strikes out 100 times, or doesn’t do what everyone thinks a superstar should do. The fans, radio hacks, newpaper slugs and these sports boards will crucify him.

  95. Brian S September 11th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Trade Cano for an OF and sign Orlando Hudson. He won 3 straight gold gloves and had a .367 OB % this year vs. .295% for Cano. Plus, he’s a feisty hitter. You don’t need a big hitter at 2nd.

    WE HAVE TO GET BETTER DEFENSIVELY! Abreu can’t defend worth a lick and he’s too nonchalant. That poison spreads. Stop trying to build the Yankees like 2002. Remember defense people.

    CC is built like Dave Wells, dude can throw all night. He’s just gifted that way. Mark Prior was supposed to have the perfect motion to never get hurt. It doesn’t work that way. CC is a beast.

  96. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Reno that easily right ?

    The problem here that people don’t get is that Hank does not run this team. His brother Hal is the guy running it. Hank is the mouth piece for the media, Hal is the behind the scenes negotiator. Hank can yell all he wants but to think hey add big money Tex and Orlando Hudson BadabingBadaboom CHAMPIONSHIP…That’s not how it works, OF defense, SP concerns and giving up young players is not a role this organization should jump into, it’s been like that since 2001.

    Trade Robi Cano (Yeh as much as we dislike his performance you don’t know if this is the worst he’ll be or what changes him)

    Trade Phil Coke because there are alot of LHP who can slot into the rotation or bullpen in the ML right ?

    Don’t just say trade this guy for an up and coming… drop the names, who ?

    Votto, Fowler, Rasmus, Shcaffer, Laporta WHO !

    This is where you can start acting like your playing PS3 or XBOX and actually think like GM on both sides. Oh Cano is at his lowest price and there will be teams looking to rip you off. Hughes is 22 alot of GMs want him but to give up on him at 22 would be ridiculous, trading Jackson and Coke for an up and coming ? are you listening to yourself, Austin Jackson is our up and coming and you already want to kick him out the door..Coke hits the high 90′s as a lefty and people want to deal him already as a throw in yeh that sounds genius :?

  97. george September 11th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    there’s no doubt that Steinbrenner being banned was a great benefit to the Yanks. he had lost it.

    but when he came back, he was on meds or something and played a good role. Getting Strawberry, who made contributions to 3 world championship teams. spending. he made mistakes – pushing out Gene Michael – but overall the team was well-run.

    once he drove Zimmer out, that was a sign of deteriorating to bad-Stein mode.

  98. CashBum September 11th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Cashman doesnt like to sign pitchers to big contracts so he goes for the guys who is having career year like jarret wright etc

  99. R-Tek September 11th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Good for Hank.

    Cashman has done nothing to deserve full control. If his ego is too big to get advice frm real baseball men like Stick, then let him leave.

    Enjoy the Nationals, Cashman. They sure are loaded with talent LOL

  100. coops2001 September 11th, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    So maybe we should bring back Zimmer? Can’t hurt…

  101. G. Love September 11th, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    Nowhere does Hank say that he wants to go back to the Tampa mafia days — all they are suggesting is they surround Cashman with sound baseball people.

    It may actually be a great thing and not some “end of days” scenario it is to some of you.

    Cashman clearly needs help picking players, signing players and building a team concept outside of all stars at every position.

    If the Stein’s get him some sound baseball people to surround him with, maybe even some old school and new school GM types, it could be a great thing for this franchise.

    Why you think Cashman is the only person who can steer this ship makes little sense to me. Every decision he made prior to 3 years ago was with George calling the shots — sometimes Cash was right and George was wrong and vice versa, but the team was doing pretty darn good in those days when they focused on getting the right kind of veteran players who fit the offensive concept and the pitching concept of the team.

    This team as it right now is devoid of concept. It’s an old team with old players locked up long term claiming it’s undergoing a youth movement with young players not ready or developed yet for the majors save Joba.

    Cashman needs help putting the plan together if he stays.

    If he goes, I’d be very excited to see what a new GM can do with the resources and some of the talent that is still on this roster.

    I strongly believe if we traded for Johan, we’d be in 1st place right now. Every 5 games, we’d have a stopper/ace on the mound and the kind of confidence that kind of player breeds to the locker room is invaluable.

    By going with rookies who took their lumps and didn’t win a a single game, I think a lot of players on the team lost their focus and were out of their comfort zone.

    They have to rectify that error this off season and they can’t afford to get it all wrong like they did this off season.

  102. Nick September 11th, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Trade Cano and Kennedy and sign Aaron Miles. >_> He’s hitting .315 this year.

  103. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    I would describe the Strawberry move as an act of sentimental charity that, against all odds, turned out to be mildly helpful to the team. Probably because it was so preposterous.

    Don’t get me wrong: I enjoyed it. But I wouldn’t call it smart/shrewd/repeatable.

  104. george September 11th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    GreenBeret7, LOL. Ian Kennedy had some bad starts and then didn’t give a fully Bull Durham-ish answer about his last start and the media and a lot of the fans started treating him as though IPK was the focus of all evil in the modern world.

  105. E-Rod September 11th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Cashman already traded Jose Tabata for Xavier Nady and Coke would have gone in that deal too if not for the mysterious physical…. so its not like Cashman has shown sensible judgement.

    So Cashman couldn’t even do that right. Oh and nice to see him pass on Inoa, Yorman Rodriguez, Rafael Rodriguez etc. in the International Market so we can sign some B-level prospects instead and we had a terrible draft as well.

  106. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Trade Cano for an OF and sign Orlando Hudson. He won 3 straight gold gloves and had a .367 OB % this year vs. .295% for Cano. Plus, he’s a feisty hitter. You don’t need a big hitter at 2nd.

    Uhuh so we assume Hudson is signing w/ us like no other team in the majors will have a need for a 2B, I like that O-Dog is feisty but if your dealing Cano rather for an OF how about attempt something w/ the Reds for a Brandon Philips something like that and it’s amazing to me people think Robi Cano is going to suck from now on. You have to be careful here because he’s the type of talent that can come back and make everyone look stupid. The first thing needed is a new batting coach who preeches patience, this is something Kevin Long has not installed to his roster, alot of people say yes he has, no he hasn’t his approach w/ hitting is agressive, load up and let her rip. There is a reason our hitters have lost thier patience at the plate and expanded thier zone all year long.

  107. GreenBeret7 September 11th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Brian S
    September 11th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
    Trade Cano for an OF and sign Orlando Hudson. He won 3 straight gold gloves and had a .367 OB % this year vs. .295% for Cano. Plus, he’s a feisty hitter. You don’t need a big hitter at 2nd.

    WE HAVE TO GET BETTER DEFENSIVELY! Abreu can’t defend worth a lick and he’s too nonchalant. That poison spreads. Stop trying to build the Yankees like 2002. Remember defense people.

    CC is built like Dave Wells, dude can throw all night. He’s just gifted that way. Mark Prior was supposed to have the perfect motion to never get hurt. It doesn’t work that way. CC is a beast.

    ________________________________________________

    Do you honestly believe that Hudson is a “feisty hitter)? Look at his numbers during his years with Toronto. He was a .265-.270 hitter and his fielding on turf wasn’t even as good as Cano’s is now. His numbers on offense and defense isn’t as good as Cano’s has been. What’s so feisty about him? His name isn’t Cano? He doesn’t have any power, he doesn’t steal bases and he doesn’t produce runs. He just had wrist surgery, and the only reason he’s going to be a FA is because his asking pricew is a multi-year contract at 13-15 mil a year? He’s also going to be 31 years old. Is that what you want? Sorry, but, I’ll go with offense and defense.

  108. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    G. Love, you raise an interesting point. Can anyone say what Girardi’s philosophy is? We knew Torre believed in pitching and patience at the plate. And as the Yankees roster changed, he shifted from small ball to a home-run offense, which, while less romantic, worked rather well. What does Girardi believe in?

  109. Reno September 11th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Brandon,

    I agree with you. I was making comment based on another poster’s idea to make those moves.

  110. AJ YANKS September 11th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    At least in Torre’s case… he had a marquee franchise like the Dodgers knocking on his door.

    What does Cashman have? Washington? Seattle?

  111. george September 11th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Straw was not just sentimental on George’s part. Straw beefed up the team; a talent worth tapping, especially since it cost so little.

    if this were the 1990s, Barry Bonds would have been DHing, especially after Matsui and Posada went down. certainly once August rolled around and this team was still not hitting.

  112. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Trading Cano this year would be stupid. I’d trade Kevin Long for Larry Bowa, if anything.

  113. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Cashman has done nothing to deserve full control. If his ego is too big to get advice frm real baseball men like Stick, then let him leave.

    Cashman already traded Jose Tabata for Xavier Nady and Coke would have gone in that deal too if not for the mysterious physical…. so its not like Cashman has shown sensible judgement.

    Your not this stupid and niether are you, Stick Micheals was one of the main voices in the trade deadline observations. It wasn’t just Cashman and Hank and Hal. This is the biggest reason why I didn’t understand those moves how Stick could even allow this organization to give up on Tabata for a quick fix.

  114. Tank September 11th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Girardi’s philosophy is pitching inside and bunting… except nobody on the team can bunt.

  115. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    George, the Bonds comment is exactly why I’m glad the Boss is no longer in command. I’ll take 4th place over the humiliation of having to root for Bonds. Clemens was bad enough.

  116. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Nobody in the Major Leagues knows how to bunt. Sounds like he needs a new philosophy.

    “Patience at the plate” is still available.

  117. steve September 11th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    stick wanted santana too, only after we didn’t get him he started his damage control saying he thinks phil is going to be a real pitcher etc..

    stick has no power, he is just a voice…. which is exactly what cashman should be

    let all the voices come in and let hal make the decision. hal is the sensible owner, he should make the decision not cashman.

  118. Pepitone September 11th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    “Why you think Cashman is the only person who can steer this ship makes little sense ”

    G.Love, I agree, I don’t think any one person should be making these decisions. This franchise needs to take a step back and reevaluate the whole organization. No one man can do that.

  119. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Brandon,

    I agree with you. I was making comment based on another poster’s idea to make those moves.

    Oh ok. It’s just getting ridiculous how many people want this fixed through FA, the Free Agency is what killed this team in the first place. They can’t go on giving longterm contracts for past achievements to everyone and giving up thier young players in the process, baseball is not a quick fix sport, you have to build a system it centers around pitching but they damn well need the instructors first and then the players.

    I’m surprised w/ a few things as bad as Eric Duncan has been in AAA why haven’t they tested him out at 2B ? he’s still 23 you need to see how versatile he is or if something makes him click. He’s a talented hitter way off the radar but he shows promise. Miranda better be gettin a shot at 1B in ST I’m just tired of seeing these big ticket players come to NY than shutdown the minute things get rough I want hungry guys, guys that will react to losing, a philosophy that we haven’t had for some time.

  120. Pepitone September 11th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    “George, the Bonds comment is exactly why I’m glad the Boss is no longer in command. I’ll take 4th place over the humiliation of having to root for Bonds. Clemens was bad enough.”

    Ahmen! Thank God for some sanity in the Yankee blogesphere.

  121. hank hal September 11th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    $200 million doesn’t buy what it once used to.

    Hank and Hal must be proud of our 4th place team.

  122. Art Vandelay September 11th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    I guess this will be the talk from here to April 2009- how to fix this team.

    I think we could all agree what did this team in was the lack of progress by our young players. Abreu, A-Rod, Damon, Giambi, and even Jeter had at least solid years. It even looks like that Jeter is just past his prime. But what Cano, Melky, Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes gave us was what did us in. We asked too much from these young pitchers while Cano (who nearly won the batting title) gave us a below average season.

    Who do we blame for this? We should blame the GM. He thought that the Yankees could rebuild and get into the playoffs at the same time. How does a general manager have $200 million in contracts produce a third or fourth place team?

    If the Yankees fire Cash, who do they replace him with. I think Pete’s right. Give him two years and see what happens.

  123. tom September 11th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    i would trade hughes before i trade cano

    you don’t get rid of a stud 2B over a #3 starter.

  124. John September 11th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    The Yanks now look like George Allen’s Washington Redskin’s “over the hill gang” of the 1970′s all getting old at the same time and unable to unload them since they are all injury prone and tied up with huge contracts that are extremely bloated vs. what they are actually worth.

    A-Rod is a perfect example 5 years from now of another poor signing with the 10 year contract that he received after the 2007 season. The Yankees need to focus it seems more on scouting and the draft in the next few years.

    It seems almost impossible to see this team back in contention next year, even if they can sign maybe a C.C. Sabathia even. 1st base upgrade of Tex now is blocked with aging bodies of several players that are unable to play normal positions for reasons stated above.

    It really is a shame to see the great Yankee-Red Sox rivalry have to wait maybe a few years to resume and can only hope that the Steinbrenner sons can rebuild this team to it’s former self.

  125. Bo knows September 11th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    People, this team was made by committee. Which part don’t you understand. Hey Giambi has a great OBP, why wouldn’t you keep him, etc. The Yankees are a bottom team on defense. Pitching and defense go together. You can’t replace the whole team at one time, there isn’t enough money or players. Abreu, Giambi and Cano are at the bottom in Defensive Ratings. Jeter is actually dead average which for him is a miracle.

  126. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    This team needs to not only evaluate themselves but other teams and realize giving out longterm contracts is not a thing they can continue to do. And for godsakes build some competition for spots don’t just silver spoon each position to FA !

    Oh this guy hit .290 for thier team (thier team) your paying guys for what they did instead of what they can do and that approach has sucked since post 2001.

  127. mel September 11th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Bo,

    Defense wins.

    Can you imagine how much better a pitcher Andy would be with improved defense behind him?

  128. Compton September 11th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    How hard is to be a GM?

    Just sign CC, Tex, Manny, Sheets, Edmonds, Millar and be done with it. Trade Hughes for Kemp, Cano for Greinke. Trade Kennedy and Rasner for Victor Martinez.

    So it is said, so it shall be done.

  129. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    I still wait for the day that the OF has hitters who are defensively superior and athletic enough to hold tight leads. We don’t need 60 HRS in the OF combined I’ll glady take an OBP % of .390 – .410 and a combined BA of .298 – .305 instead of the, build a system. Build an athletic defensive team that doesn’t count on the HR for all thier offensive support.

  130. Bo knows September 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Mel

    Actually the whole pitching staff. Wang, a serious GB pitcher and Jeter was the worst fielding SS. It makes you go HMMM. Rest well George.

  131. mel September 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Brandon,

    You don’t even need a team of .300 hitters. The other week we fielded a team with (5) .300 hitters. The other team had one at the most and we still lost.

    We need a team of guys who are contact hitters and can put the ball into a play. Strikeouts don’t produce runs. We need guys who can at least attempt to situational hit. Guys who can hit with RISP. Guys who can hit a sac fly. Guys who can bunt. Argh. Never mind.

  132. Pepitone September 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    “$200 million doesn’t buy what it once used to.”

    Who’s said it ever did?

    Oh, and “Compton,” whatever you do don’t quit your day job.

  133. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Just sign CC, Tex, Manny, Sheets, Edmonds, Millar and be done with it. Trade Hughes for Kemp, Cano for Greinke. Trade Kennedy and Rasner for Victor Martinez.

    So it is said, so it shall be done.

    Harder than you think buddy ?

  134. lil' m September 11th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Pete, Gary, murphydog, you’re all right. The team didn’t turn it around until George was banned. And the influence/meddling of the so-called Tampa faction aka George’s golf buddies and other assorted cronies was disastrous. An intelligent process like the one suggested by SJ44 is a sensible idea, a revival of Billy Connors, et al., not so much.

    As to the attacks on Jeter, people are starting to lose it at the prospect of the Yankees missing the postseason for the first time in 13 years. Criticism of performance is one thing, but vilification of his character and motivations is incomprehensible and way off the mark. Sharper than a serpent’s tooth is a spoiled and ungrateful fanbase . . .

  135. Compton September 11th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    We had a budding one, but we traded him for Nady.

  136. Drive 4-5 September 11th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    “Here is what the Yankees should do: Give Brian Cashman two years and total autonomy.”

    Exactly what decision of Brian Cashman in the last 24 months would warrant giving him autonomy? Kei Igawa? Annointing Kennedy and Hughes with rotation spots they didnt have to earn? The disastrous ’08 draft? Not having a lefty in the bullpen for 4 months? Compiling a roster that lacked speed and/or defense on the bench? Wilson Betemit?

    Rather than autonomy,Brian Cashman should be given the benefit of an assistant with a background in scouting and one that is expert at evaluating players. Clearly, that is Cashman’s weak suit.

  137. TurnTables September 11th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Kennedy and Rasner for Victor Martinez? I would seriously consider that.

  138. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Yes, let’s agree that A-Rod’s 10-year thing, which was done essentially to cash in on the publicity he’s going to generate when he breaks the HR record, should be our last ludicrous long-term contract.

    To tell the truth, I would gladly accept 3rd place next year if it were clear that we were building something new and wonderful that had a chance of succeeding in 2010 and 11.

    What Pete said the other day about the setbacks with the younger players is the worst thing about this season, by far.

  139. Mark in Tampa September 11th, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Just read on CBSSportsline that they are close to a Stadium naming rights deal with Bank of America. Anybody know if this is true? Can’t imagine watching games at BOA field. Or Yankee Stadium at Bank of America Park. Say it ain’t so!

  140. Mark in Tampa September 11th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    “Kennedy and Rasner for Victor Martinez? I would deriously consider that”

    But the Indians wouldn’t.

  141. Drive 4-5 September 11th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Brandon,

    “I’m surprised w/ a few things as bad as Eric Duncan has been in AAA why haven’t they tested him out at 2B ? ”

    Could it be that when a batter strikes out twice as many times as he walks and only has a career .329 obp he’s not attractive at any position?

  142. Jose September 11th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    You have to earn the right to have full autonomy. Cashman did not. If Hal is such a big ally of Cashman like everyone implies, then this is window dressing and shouldn’t even be a problem anyway.

  143. JB (Blue Jays Fan) September 11th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    As a Blue Jays fan, I am looking forward to the Yankees making some panic moves overseen by a bureaucracy appointed by Hank. I suspect that the Yankees will spend a lot of money in the offseason not learning their lessons from the past. You can sign a guy like Mark Texiera and will probably be worth his salary in the first few years, but it is the back end of the contract that hurts you because you get stuck with an old player you can’t get rid of (hello Posada).

    The $200 million dollar payroll now buys you fourth place. Most teams ahead are spending more than half of that. The Yankee solution is to spend more?

    I would sign AJ Burnett for three years (the Jays are offering this), but someone will give him five and get burned in the final two years. I suspect it will be you guys.

  144. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – Bank of America Corp is close to finalizing a deal worth as much as $20 million a year to become the biggest sponsor of the new Yankee Stadium, the New York Post reported on Tuesday.

    While the extensive deal being discussed would not include naming rights to the entire new ballpark — home of the New York Yankees baseball team — it would make the bank the most visible sponsor there, the Post said, citing an unnamed source.

  145. Bo knows September 11th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    On Cashman’s three year watch, we have Joba, Hughes, Brackman, Aceves, Betances, McAllister, Coke and BP arms too numerous to mention. And at the same time, continuing into the Post Season. Oh and got Abreu, Nady, Marte and I Rod. With any luck, this year would have been more of the same. I don’t think he did too badly.

  146. Mike September 11th, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Thanks, Blue Jays fan. As soon as you learn the lessons of the past 15 years, get back to us.

  147. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Brandon,

    You don’t even need a team of .300 hitters. The other week we fielded a team with (5) .300 hitters. The other team had one at the most and we still lost.

    We need a team of guys who are contact hitters and can put the ball into a play. Strikeouts don’t produce runs. We need guys who can at least attempt to situational hit. Guys who can hit with RISP. Guys who can hit a sac fly. Guys who can bunt. Argh. Never mind.

    Mel your right that’s a big reason I put the OBP % too. People here think to be an OF (FATBOY at WFAN) you have to hit 28 HR no, that’s not it at all, An OF can be superb defensively and athletically gifted, he can hit .280 w/ an OBP of .390 and be very useful, aslong as they aren’t the K prone types. SLG % is an overstated stat yeah this guy slugs above 600 he must be a star no that means he has talent to hit a ball out Adam Dunn is a perfect case, god do I hate watching that type of talent wasted 40-50 HR yup but one of the biggest choke artists/K prone batters in the league. He’ll run into a few and also run you out of a rally.

    Here’s the thing about our .300 hitters mel, they lacked consistancy and it even showed in thier OBP, they stacked thier stats in blowouts, one game boom 13 runs and 6 hitters would have multiple hits the other an 0-fer. These are things that can’t be taken to lightly and that’s why I also give Kevin Long a pink slip, people need to stop defending him the hitting has been horrific but that can’t go unpunished.

  148. Pepitone September 11th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    “As a Blue Jays fan, I am looking forward to the Yankees making some panic moves overseen by a bureaucracy appointed by Hank. I suspect that the Yankees will spend a lot of money in the offseason not learning their lessons from the past. You can sign a guy like Mark Texiera and will probably be worth his salary in the first few years, but it is the back end of the contract that hurts you because you get stuck with an old player you can’t get rid of (hello Posada).
    The $200 million dollar payroll now buys you fourth place. Most teams ahead are spending more than half of that. The Yankee solution is to spend more?
    I would sign AJ Burnett for three years (the Jays are offering this), but someone will give him five and get burned in the final two years. I suspect it will be you guys.”

    From the mouths of trolls comes truth.

  149. Mark in Tampa September 11th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Mike,

    Thanks, let’s hope that naming rights never come into it, but CBS did absolutely say it was for naming rights. Wouldn’t be the first time they are wrong, but it made me sick for a few minutes there.

  150. JB (Blue Jays Fan) September 11th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Hey Mike:

    Like I said, I support the direction the Yankees are taking this offseason.

  151. lil' m September 11th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    The name is Yankee Stadium. Period.

  152. GreenBeret7 September 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Duncan’s biggest problem over the years has been a bad back. It restricts his motion on defense, but, mainly at bat. I don’t know if there is a medical procedure that would help or not. He shows flashes here and there, but, then, he’s out for a while with his back issues. It’s too bad because he has a world of talent.

  153. mel September 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Mark,

    If that’s true, I’m very disappointed. One of the last vestiges of sports is Yankee Stadium. And didn’t they say last year that it would always be Yankee Stadium?

    I was going to bite my tongue about Hank, but I can’t hold back any longer.

    Ridiculous. Owners should sign checks and not be heard. Tamperin’, Hamperin’ Hank. Sure, Alex, we’ll take you back. You sure that’s enough money? We can give you more if you like. Let’s make it a nice round number, how about 10 years?

  154. Mark in Tampa September 11th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    MLB.com has a story about how Kevin Long will work with Cano all offseason to completely overhaul his swing and plate discipline. So, now he will be leading the league in hitting and pounding 30 homers per year…. or he’ll be out of baseball in two years after hitting about .190 in ’09 and ’10.

  155. Betsy September 11th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    http://www.northjersey.com/sports/ya…om_now_on.html

    LOL , at Hank – he can not make decisions himself. No matter how loudly or often he proclaims it, it doesn’t make it so. If Hal doesn’t sign off on it, then it doesn’t happen. Hank is just like his father – hardly a good thing. Whatever- the media will blow this all out of proportion

    Also, The farm system is in much better shape than it was before Cash took over, so Hank is an idiot in that regards, too. Clearly this is a knock on Brian, so reports that Hank wants his GM back are probably greatly exaggerated. Problem is, I think he expects young players to be HOFers right away…….I also believe he’s still resents that Phil Hughes wasn’t traded for Santana and struggled in his pre-injury stint in the big leagues this year. He’s always going to throw that bone out there for the media to chew on, even if Phil lives up to expectations

    The advisory committee is a joke and it’s not happening. If it does (I can’t imagine that Hal would agree with this), then Brian is not coming back.

  156. Drive 4-5 September 11th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Bo knows,

    On Cashman’s 3 year watch we also got Igawa ( who no one in the organization wanted other than Cashman and ranks with the worst signings in team history), Carl Pavano, Wilson Betemit, Jaret Wright,Josh Phelps and LaTroy Hawkins.

  157. mel September 11th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Nothing wrong with 4th place. Some teams enjoy it so much, they stay there for years.

  158. AJ YANKS September 11th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Jose,

    It is a myth that Hal and Cashman are “allies”. Hal was the one who gave Posada 4 years and signed A-Rod to the 10 year deal, both were against what Cashman wanted. Hal is the one with the real power so even if Hank negotiated them, Hal signed off on them, therefore overuling Cashman. Hal has all the power, remember.

    Don’t believe the hype, prospect groupies on this board are clinging to Hal as if he is the modern day Swindel. Bottom line is, he wants to win just as badly as Hank, but he is not as blustery. He went over Cashman’s head to sign Posada and A-Rod to albatross deals. He overruled Cashman once, and he can do it again if the situation calls for it. I firmly believe he nixed the Santana trade due to money. If Santana was locked up at a reasonable rate for the next 5 years, Hal would have probably done it.

    It needs to be reiterated it was Hank AND Hal who gave Posada/Arod their deals. So Hal already overruled Brian twice. Him attending games, having meetings, and coordinating the ASG does not change those facts.

  159. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut September 11th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Mel, if you hate Hank so much, why bother rooting for the team he owns?

  160. Tank September 11th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Exactly Mel

    Just ask Baltimore, they love it so much, they have been there for years!

  161. Bo knows September 11th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Looking at it now, the Yankees have A Rod, Jeter, Nady and Cano. Then they have Wang, Joba and Hughes. The BP is great. The rest have to be replaced in the very near future, That’s the whole OF, 1B and C. (Nady is too slow for the OF, the Yankees were desperate) Damon with an arm, times three, would be great.

  162. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    MLB.com has a story about how Kevin Long will work with Cano all offseason to completely overhaul his swing and plate discipline. So, now he will be leading the league in hitting and pounding 30 homers per year…. or he’ll be out of baseball in two years after hitting about .190 in ‘09 and ‘10.

    I don’t think Long is the guy that’s going to reach Cano. Cano is as talented as ever but his discipline has to come from someone who can preech it and Long isn’t that guy.

  163. Betsy September 11th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    I love how people just assume that Phil is merely a #2 or #3 (if he’s a #3, then IMO, he’s a bust because he was touted as an ace prospect) just because they worship Joba Chamberlain. This is not a knock on Joba, but what Phil does is not affected by his friend; he still has all the attributes of a stud pitcher and if people don’t want to see this or they have already given up on him, well, so be it. I will be the first to admit I was dead wrong about Phil if he fails to live up to expectations, but for people to jump off his bandwagon and lable him as I described above when we’ve never really seen him fully healthy is ridiculous. I eagerly anticipate the lables people will be throwing on Austin Jackson when he comes up to NY and inevitably has his struggles.

  164. mel September 11th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Mac Nut,

    Because the Yankees were here long before him, and will be here long after him.

    And, really, what kind of question was that? Did I touch a nerve?

  165. Drive 4-5 September 11th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    The roster at Scranton is mostly comprised of failed major leaguers and AAAA players. It’s nice that they had a successful year, but it doesnt translate one bit to help in ’09.

    Nick Green, Ben Broussard, Kei Igawa,Bernie Castro, Justin Christian,Eric Duncan,Eric Milton, Chris Stewart, Jason Brown, Shelley Duncan,Chase Wright,Chris Bazak, Victor Zambrano and Ian Kennedy have all either played in the major leagues without success or have had little success in the minors. Other than IPK, there’s not a prospect among them.

  166. pat September 11th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    “Can’t imagine watching games at BOA field. Or Yankee Stadium at Bank of America Park. Say it ain’t so!”

    It ain’t so. BOA is going to pay 20 million to not have the stadium named after them actually. They will have prominent billboard placement on the scoreboard and other parts of the stadium including one visible from the sky but it will still be known as Yankee Stadium.

  167. Mark in Tampa September 11th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Brandon,
    Whether that is the case or not, apparently it is Long who will be working with him, that decision has been made.

  168. mel September 11th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Wait! Are you Hank? We heard you read the blog.

    Cool. Listen, Go hard after CC & AJ. Bring back Andy & Mike on one year deals.

    Oh. And Joba in the rotation to start ’09.

    Thanks!

  169. Drive 4-5 September 11th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    “As a Blue Jays fan, I am looking forward to the Yankees making some panic moves overseen by a bureaucracy appointed by Hank. ”

    Hank is a baseball maven compared to JP Richardi.

  170. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Eric Duncan is 23 how is he a failed MLer ?

  171. Christina September 11th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    I have an even better idea on how to fix the organization. First you get rid of two bums whose names rhyme with Bank and Cal. Next- hire a strong, dominate female, who has very strong knowledge of baseball. This individual doesnt have to have a prerequsite of a Business degree, because as the Yankees have shown, a degree means nothing.

    See you all in Tampa. If the Yankees were smart they would find me though.

  172. ERâ„¢ (The Final Seasonâ„¢) September 11th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    I still think Phil Hughes
    will overachieve
    and surprise us all
    in becoming a very reliable 5th starter with a lot of poise and composure on the mound.

  173. mel September 11th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Christina,

    There was a lady with the last name Kim. Dodgers?

  174. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut September 11th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Mel, you didn’t touch a nerve, which really is a silly question, but you are so hateful toward one of the owners of the team to a point of irrationality. When someone is that irrational about the owner, it usually follows suit that those feelings spill over onto the team.

    The Steinbrenners have owned the team for a good long time now. It could be for a long time that it remains in the family.

    Every comment Hank says has you going off on him. No matter what it is, you go the opposite way. Hank wants to see the Yankees win. The Yankees have not looked very good these last few years, and he wants to change that. Yet, you oppose Hank. Where does that leave you?

    Would you prefer an owner like the Twins have? No investment in the team? When an owner is spending as much as the Steinbrenners are, I don’t think they have to be, nor should be silent.

    You don’t see it in business where an owner of a major company is quiet while he watches his company fails. Yet you think that’s the way it should be in sports? Its a business. Hank has a large, vested interest in the team. He wants to win.

  175. Christina September 11th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Mel-Yeah shes great. But she has a job. This is my opportunity to shine. HELLO GEORGEEEEE!

  176. Drive 4-5 September 11th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Brandon,

    I guess you missed the part that said “or have had little success in the minors.”

    This year was probably Eric Duncan’s best. He played 120 games, hit .233 with a .295 obp and only drove in 60 runs.He also struck out 113 times and walked only 37. Eric Duncan sucks.

  177. Bo knows September 11th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    45
    I’ll give you Igawa and Wright (Wright was injury prone), Pavano was a good sign, Betemit is Bench, Phelps is a reach and Hawkins is doing fine for Houston. Cashman is under tremendous pressure to field a top team every year, witness the Hysteria on this board. You need more than a one year to develop and build a team, whatever the method. This team isn’t that far away, CC and a good 1B would do it. Jackson could be up by July. As far as pitching this very strong BP could cover any weaknesses, Lord knows they’ve done it this year and next year there’s Melancon and Sanchez coming. I want Coke to continue as starter in AAA.

  178. Drive 4-5 September 11th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    When I think of a plyer like Eric Duncan I’m reminded of a great Stengelese.

    When Casey was first managing the Mets a reporter asked him about a young player in camp. The reporter said “He’s only 22.” Casey replied “Yep, and a year from now he’s got a good chance to be 23″.

  179. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 11th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    D 4-5 touche on the missed part but the ML is filled w/ players like him. Eric Duncan’s big issue has been his back not his bat and contrary to thoughts he has a good eye at the plate.

  180. Drive 4-5 September 11th, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    “Betemit is Bench”

    That’s the point. Betemit was our backup at second baseman, 3rd base and shorstop. They also played him at first. The problem is, Wilson Betemit cannot play defense anywhere on the field.

    “Pavano was a good sign”.
    I’m speachless and have no reply.

  181. MelkyWay September 11th, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    How this “advisory group” manifests itself is key. If anything, this could be an emulation of Boston’s front office arrangement, where there are multiple levels of responsibility with Theo Epstein as the head, with all voices and opinions are considered. I suppose the main difference is Theo’s team is directly tied into the inner workings of the organization and this “advisory group” has a stand-offish/ivory tower/slumlord feel to it.

  182. mel September 11th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Mac Nut,

    You’ve read all my comments about Hank, so you’ve also seen that I’m the least hateful person on this blog.

    Hank is a caracature. I’m not the only one who thinks that. People here are about 40/60 on that. He’s a joke in the media. Print, tv, and radio.

    I would actually like the guy if he said anything of substance.

    But if I offended you, I must’ve offended others, so I’ll tone it down. Just for you. Cuz, you’re such a nut. :)

  183. ant!-mussina September 11th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    YEAHAAHHH REBUILD WITH A NEW STADIUM OPENING! YEAHAHH!! … NOT!

    there will be NO MORE “rebuilding” … you dont “rebuild” with a 200 mil salary. rebuilding is for chumps.

    sign tex, cc, aj, and k-rod

    there you go.

    rotation: CC, wang, joba, aj, hughes/mussina
    bullpen: bruney, melancon, marte, k-rod, rivera

  184. GreenBeret7 September 11th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Drive 4-5
    September 11th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
    When I think of a plyer like Eric Duncan I’m reminded of a great Stengelese.

    When Casey was first managing the Mets a reporter asked him about a young player in camp. The reporter said “He’s only 22.” Casey replied “Yep, and a year from now he’s got a good chance to be 23″.

    ____________________________________________________

    That player was Greg Goosen. The remark was made because Gossen was not the brightest of people in more things than baseball.

  185. Bo knows September 11th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    “Pavano was a good sign”.

    I’m speachless and have no reply.

    Hey let’s do “Post Facto Critiques”.

    Okay scenario. CC stays on the west coast. RJ and Sheets Sign them and they get hurt. That’s Pavano and Wright signings, good sign, bad sign.

  186. Pepitone September 11th, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    “Mel-Yeah shes great. But she has a job. This is my opportunity to shine. HELLO GEORGEEEEE”

    Wonderwoman! Will you marry me?

  187. Patrick Bateman September 11th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    “Here is what the Yankees should do: Give Brian Cashman two years and total autonomy”

    Right….

    He’s had 3 years of that already. Gotten us (3) first round exits. You can be a Hank Hater all you want, but big mouth or not he’s got a valid point. This team has been run into the ground and someone has to start questioning these moves.

    Obviously nobody said to Cashman in the off season “you’re overvaluing Kennedy and Melky Cabrera”. Its never too late to set up a series of checks and balances so this fiasco doesn’t happen again.

  188. manny(yanks fan) September 11th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Why is it that Hank is the one doing all the talking? Does he even know whats going on with this team. He should go back to the farm and handle his horses. Leave the real business to Hal and Cash. Hank isn’t like his dad, George said something and it would get done over everybody and his mama’s head.

  189. mel September 11th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    If AJ and Sheets could stagger their “vacations” we’d have a pretty good pitcher there.

  190. Drive 4-5 September 11th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    GB7,

    Youre showing your age, my friend :)

  191. GreenBeret7 September 11th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Neither am I. I misspelled Goosen’s name.

  192. Bo knows September 11th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Pitching is such a crap shoot. Boston signed Clement, how did they make out? The only constant is you never know. I would have bet big money on Hughes this spring, Cashman did, and one suspect broken rib, (how do you break a rib pitching) there went his season.

  193. ant!-mussina September 11th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    yeah because this rebuilding process is a huuuuge success!!

  194. Christina September 11th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Eric Duncan= Overrated bum

    Melky Cabrera = Bum

    Robinson Cano = Lazy bum

    Phil Franchise= Injured Bum

    are we noticing a trend here? Lots of young bums. Cash, its one thing to hold onto prospects. But if they are gonna offer you a left handed reliver for a OF, you cant let that passup. Remember, there are many many OF in the system– but very few lefties.

  195. manny(yanks fan) September 11th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Bo knows September 11th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Pitching is such a crap shoot. Boston signed Clement, how did they make out? The only constant is you never know. I would have bet big money on Hughes this spring, Cashman did, and one suspect broken rib, (how do you break a rib pitching) there went his season.

    His rib wasn’t broken he had a stress fracture. Even the slightest change in a pitching mechanics can hurt your body. thats what happen to Hughes. A whole bunch of scouts were saying that his arm slot was different this year than last year.

  196. ant!-mussina September 11th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    KEEPERS: JOBA, HUGHES, MONTERO, MELANCON
    TRADE: JACKSON, ZMAC, BETANCES, ENTIRE AAA AND AA ROSTER

  197. ant!-mussina September 11th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    JACKSON IS OVERRATED! HE IS A STRIKE OUT MACHINE! HES GARDNER ON STEROIDS!

  198. george September 11th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    “I’ll take 4th place over the humiliation of having to root for Bonds. Clemens was bad enough.”

    yeah, it was real rough watching Clemens mow down the Mets in the World Series. :)

    it’s not like Bonds is a loafing scum like Manny.

  199. GreenBeret7 September 11th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    Drive, it’s better than people saying that I’m showing my azz on these boards. LMAO. I appreciate the humor. Thanks.

    I realize that I can be somewhat abrasive, but, unlike most people that say things on this board that upsets people, I can admit what I am. I’ve never been shy about shooting straight, regardless who it’s at. I’ve played baseball through highschool and with some good Army teams back in the late ’60s and early ’70s, whenever I wasn’t in Vietnam. I was good enough to do well there, just not good enough anyplace else. I’ve been watching baseball since the mid-50s and my grandfather taught me everything he knew about the game. He was a great semi-pro player in southern Indiana in the 30s. He worked in the coal mines and played on the company teams, and like others, he made more money doing that than playing for $40-50 a month. He played on the same team as Tommy John’s father in and around Terre Haute, Indiana.

  200. mel September 11th, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    ant!,

    Haha, if you’ve every seen Jackson you’d know that he doesn’t even know what a steroid is. Boy’s a beanpole.

  201. Kill-Schill(ing) September 12th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    No, I’m Patrick Bateman.

  202. Pepitone September 12th, 2008 at 12:08 am

    “are we noticing a trend here? Lots of young bums.”

    Hmmmmm…Christiana, are you talking about bums or buns?

  203. Pepitone September 12th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    “KEEPERS: JOBA, HUGHES, MONTERO, MELANCON
    TRADE: JACKSON, ZMAC, BETANCES, ENTIRE AAA AND AA ROSTER”

    Mass hysteria, people running in the streets with no clothes on, cats and dogs living together, everybody forgetting their pets name…TRADE EM…TRADE EM ALL….EEEHHAAHH!!

  204. Pepitone September 12th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    “it’s not like Bonds is a loafing scum like Manny.”

    Yeah, you’re right, Bonds is just a scum.

  205. RalphieD September 12th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Ant!-Mussnina has to be in the top 5 most clueless/worst poster on this blog

  206. dana September 12th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    the only thing i know is that pete, along with the rest of us has little to no idea what he is talking about!

  207. RalphieD September 12th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    edit *Ant!-Mussina*

  208. Christina September 12th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Performance based contracts

  209. Christina September 12th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    and no more opt-out clause.

  210. Crosetti September 12th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    1.- Hire an experienced baseball Team President to work alongside with Cash.
    2.- Let Cash develop a solution plan in time and, form & investment.
    3.- Ask Joe G to suggest a completely new coaching staff. Fire everyone except, maybe, Tony Peña.

  211. george September 12th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    http://highandtight.blogspot.com/ has a hysterical article. deconstructs a typical tabloid ‘analysis’ of the 2008 season. look for the post entitled “Remember When Everyone Complained the Yankees were too Old and Mercenary?”. dead-on funny.

  212. Christina September 12th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Sounds good Crosetti

  213. Crosetti September 12th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Thanks Christina.

    An bring back NYY taste: Bernie Williams to instruct young latins and Willie Randolph´s talent to the bench.

  214. Pepitone September 12th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    So, Christina

    are you gonna marry me or what?

  215. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 12th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Ant!-Mussina is back damn it’s a coming out party. :lol:

  216. E-Man September 12th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    “Clearly, a lot of mistakes were made.”

    Like giving up on the team in MAY?

    Letting a HOF manager walk and replacing him with a rookie manager to run a mainly veteran team?

    Too much faith in your own prospect propoganda?

    You having any say in what happens with this team?

  217. bruce September 12th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    there was no youth movement.

    the problem is pitching,pitching,pitching.trade some of the kids for a center fielder,sign sabathia,texiera mussina to a one year contract,trade cano for another good young pitcher,trade matsui,dh posada,damon in left,nady in right.

  218. bruce September 12th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    talltenor : wash you’re mouth out with soap.

    you should be kicked out of this blog for what you said.

  219. Pepitone September 12th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    “talltenor”

    What’s that?

    Bruce, are you ok, dude? Need a Tylenol?

  220. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 12th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Pepi you see something wrong w/ giving Teix an 8- 10 yr. deal which he didn’t even earn probably at 20-22 million per year when it’s all said and done :lol:

  221. dave September 12th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    I love how stein mentioned that he wants to see what has been done wrong the last five yrs. Who has been making all the organizational decisions for the majority of those yrs – the same guy who u said may still be given total autonomy if he wants to come back. Cashman should not be re-signed and this board should be set up. Two heads are usually better than one. Ten heads are better than two. It brings a sense of checks and balances to the organization. Cooler heads will almost always prevail in such a set up. We should continue to draft well and put alot of money into the draft but also we have almost half our payroll coming off the books this off season. We should go after the big fish (CC, Sheets or both) and not be stingy like last off season. And we should trade our prize prospects when the price is right because the yankees continue to over-value their talent and everyone in baseball buys into it. I like everything hank said except for bringing cash back. Who is responsible for the wide majority of all those horrendous decision the last five yrs? The guy u desparately want to re=sign for some reason – after a 200 million dollar budget, a fourth place finish, a regression of our best prospects and youngsters, a 200 plus run decrease, massive injuries every single season including this one and progessively getting worse as a team – world series, to ALCS, to ALDS out with a fight to ALDS out with very little fight to a fourth place finish. We are not headed in the right direction and this guy doesnt deserve another two yrs, yr or even another day to get the chance to turn it around.

  222. Ed - strange things happens in baseball September 12th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    hmm did the Red Sox just won the World Series again? i must had overslept till October.

  223. Bo knows September 12th, 2008 at 1:05 am

    And a stress fracture is — a broken rib. Tah dah! Pavano also had a stress fracture. The stress of driving a car. This is the first time I’ve heard of a pitching stress fracture. Hey, only with the Yankees. It’s like this season, 46 games of 2 runs or less, A Rod with 2 RBI in the ninth inning, only the Yankees. The whole team leading the leagues in stranding RISP. Unbelievable.

  224. Christina September 12th, 2008 at 1:05 am

    Pepitone- hows tommorrow sound?

  225. Christina September 12th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Anyone see how hot Oswalt has been?

  226. Pepitone September 12th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    “Pepi you see something wrong w/ giving Teix an 8- 10 yr. deal which he didn’t even earn probably at 20-22 million per year when it’s all said and done”

    Brandon – Nah, let’s see if we can sign Manny for 10 years at 30 mill. per, then Sheets for 8 at 20 mill per, and of course we gotta have C.C. for another 10 at 25 mill. per.

    As a matter of fact let’s just sign every free agent on the market this off season. After all, if a $200 mill. payroll couldn’t get the job done, let’s go for a $500 million payroll. That should guarantee a WS title for next year, don’t ya think?

    Moronic Yankee fans, ya gotta love em!

  227. Bo knows September 12th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Dave by your logic a hundred heads would be a hundred times as good? Who decides? Do they take a vote? You’ve obviously havn’t been on many committees.

  228. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 12th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    I have a good scenerio how about Robi Cano for Yunel Escobar ?

  229. Christina September 12th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    While were at getting Texieria, why don’t we also pick up Carl Pavano’s option?

    Come on guys.

  230. Pepitone September 12th, 2008 at 1:16 am

    Christina – No, sorry, tomorrow’s bad for me. How about next Tuesday around, oh, let’s say 6:16 am. That way we can get an early start on our honeymoon in Hoboken. I hear Motel 6 has a great deal on bridal suites. :)

    Now, don’t con me, Christina, you are really WonderWoman, right? I don’t wanna show up and have my hopes dashed on the sloughs of despair.

  231. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 12th, 2008 at 1:16 am

    I rather resign Giambi to 6 more yrs. Christina :D

  232. Christina September 12th, 2008 at 1:31 am

    Motel 6? Cant we at least upgrade to the days inn?? Tuesday works fine- Just make sure I am back by 7pm for my grad school class.

  233. Christina September 12th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    Brandon…How about my boy Al Leiter? I think he has a good 3 years left. I smell a comeback.

  234. Brandon (We have a soft captain and a softer sidekick..true story)..."we paid today, we lose today, das it". September 12th, 2008 at 1:37 am

    I was hoping to pry El Duque from the Mets and add John Franco to the BP 5 yrs. 50 million sounds just about right.

    Get to it Cash/Hank we love vets ! :)

  235. Im a Met FAN September 12th, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Couple things to mention here guys…

    1st — Epstien didnt even make the Beckett trade, other than that he has drafted well with the help of bill james…

    2nd — Beane is a great GM but he also benefited from the Steroids era, tejada giambi… recently he did very well in the mulder trade, not so much in the hudson trade…

    3rd — Why after one year are all of you ready to give up on the youth movement? let abreu giambi mussina and pettite walk. You may not get draft picks from any of them considering some you really dont want any of em to except arby and they all probably would…. but slash that payroll stock up on picks… soon youll have to fully replace SS and every corner spot with the exception of 3B, and you already have to replace CF Catcher and 3/5s of the rotation. Let the contracts run out and rebuild through the draft and hope for some lucky cheap signings a la Carlos Pena Edwin Jackson Big Papi Josh Hamilton and Uggla… And i know hamilton was acquired in a trade by the reds but the reds claimed him in the rule 5 if im not mistaken

  236. GreenBeret7 September 12th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Bo, it’s doubtful that you know any more about committees than you do about baseball injuries, and especially fractured ribs and how they can happen. It’s an iinjury that’s not uncommon in pitchers, rowers, tennis players, golfers and any over head motions that cause stress on the upper body. It’s ok…you can feel stupid, now.

    Read this:

    of the first rib are uncommon in athletes and present a different clinical entity from traumatic first rib fracture associated with high energy thoracic trauma. These fractures are stress induced and precipitated by chronic muscular forces acting on the first rib. Typically they heal with conservative treatment. This report describes a fracture of the first rib in a tennis player that developed into a symptomatic pseudarthrosis as a result of persistent overhead activities. Symptoms mimicked ipsilateral shoulder injury. Pseudarthrosis of the first rib should be included in the differential diagnosis of chronic persistent shoulder pain in the overhead athlete.

    And this:

    http://eclips.consult.com/ecli.....08)70280-0

  237. kasey September 12th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    as long as they bring back wilson betemit, i’ll be happy.

    oh. wait.

  238. Al from BK( Calvin Pace, the man, the myth, the legend!) September 12th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    Whats is up with this blog today?

    “If Cashman and his hand-picked manager don’t have the team going in the right direction by then, blow it all up and start over.”

    Huh? This team was 2-3 big injuries away from the post-season. If Wang, Joba and Hughes don’t go down you never see the likes of Dan Giese, Ponson or Rasner starting and the team likely wins 90 games. Hitting I believe often feeds off the pitching I think this team couldn’t sustain the mental blows of losing 2 ace type pitchers in one season. The bullpen has made strides and some guys have shown promise. Mariano Rivera has proven to still be MARIANO RIVERA and 2 potential bullpen studs Humberto Sanchez and Mark Melancon are right on the horizon. Young pitchers Andrew Brackman and Dellin Betances are potential 2010 guys. Hughes is still a legit option his injury which wasn’t diagnosed for several weeks after it had initially hindered him really slowed his development as a starter yet hes still an option. Austin Jackson is knocking on the door and Romine/Cervelli are appealing catching options coming up through the system. Jesus Montero is young and raw but has a bunch of potential. This team is about 2 big off-season pick-ups away from contending for a title and I absolutely believe that. Talking about blowing up the team 2 years from now? Thats absurd. This team is in a bad way and just had their most disappointing season in 15 years but the sun didn’t explode we didn’t make the playoffs thats the end of it. At the end of the month we’ll be in the company of 21 other teams that didn’t make it. This team isn’t 3-4 years off this isn’t the Knicks the Yanks have a shot to compete every year as long as the proper moves are made. Don’t talk about blowing anything up until you have failed in getting a decent product on the field and for now the slate is clean for 09.

  239. Im a Met FAN September 12th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    Al — Thing is you dont know if Joba will ever be able to hold up as a starter… As a reliever he has shown to be dominating… IMO thats where he belongs

    With Hughes again you dunno what youre gonna get from him… From a third persons point of view, id go after a paul depodesta type to rebuild the farm system with real statistical analysis…

  240. Al from BK( Calvin Pace, the man, the myth, the legend!) September 12th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    “Al — Thing is you dont know if Joba will ever be able to hold up as a starter… As a reliever he has shown to be dominating… IMO thats where he belongs”

    As a Yankee fan I’m telling you that as a starter he looked like an Ace. He was a starter throughout college and his first year in the minors, he became a reliever out of necessity. The Yanks have a lot of stud bullpen guys coming up from the farm, they don’t have a lot of stud starters.

  241. Im a Met FAN September 12th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    Al — This is only an opinion (obviously) but what turned Joe Torre from an average to bad manager to a hall of fame manager? A consistent dominant 9th inning guy for over a decade that was never injured and you could use him for 5-6 out saves when need be (which MO did much more than any other closer). It made Torres end of the game managing easy without having to worry about matchups for sometimes 2 whole innings. Jobba can be that guy, and the yankees can be one of the fortunate teams to pass from one dominant closer to the next. SP is a tough commodity to find, but having a reliever with both the head and the stuff to shut teams down in the 9th is very difficult and teams often overpay for it…. just look at my team

  242. GreenBeret7 September 12th, 2008 at 2:26 am

    It’s not hard to build a farm system like the Dodgers when you have only had a top 15 team in twice in 10 years.

  243. Im a Met FAN September 12th, 2008 at 2:33 am

    GreenBeret — With the draft and teams afraid of getting into a Pedro Alvarez situation, it doesnt realy matter where you draft from essentially picks 4 or 5 through 25… A top 3 pick is generally a pretty sure thing so a team like KC or Tampa will bit the bullet and draft a David Price

  244. GreenBeret7 September 12th, 2008 at 2:44 am

    Met Fan, I mistyped that it should have read:

    It’s not hard to build a farm system like the Dodgers when you have only missed a top 15 team in twice in 10 years. There also have been very few cases like Alvarez and, the Dodgers haven’t exactly pinched pennies in the draft. They just made some bad choices….much like the Mets, Tigers, Cubs and White Sox.

  245. GreenBeret7 September 12th, 2008 at 2:46 am

    ***missed having a top 15 pick twice in 10 years*** it’s late and I can’t type.

  246. Frank G September 12th, 2008 at 4:16 am

    Okay what Hank and Cash REALLY should look into (which they SURELY will after this grotesque season) is all the FREE AGENTS available after this season…we’re talking PITCHERS: Ce Ce Sabathia, Ben Sheets, AJ Burnett…yeah, thats serious, and then 2 major free agents for offensive purposes: Vlad Guerrero and Mark Teixeira..imagine this lineup in the best case scenario:

    1. Johnny Damon LF
    2. Derek Jeter SS
    3. Mark Teixeira 1B
    4. Alex Rodriguez 3B
    5. Vladimir Guerrero RF
    6. Hideki Matsui DH
    7. Xavier Nady CF
    8. Robinson Cano 2B
    9. Jorge Posada C

    Rotation:

    Chien Ming Wang
    Ce Ce Sabathia
    A.J. Burnett
    Joba Chamberlain
    Phil Hughes

    This is a obv a great lineup…but with all this to happen the following players will be gone: Giambi, Petitte, Mussina, Abreu, and Pavano…giving the yanks over 87 million back. Some tough decisions are going to be made, Abreu and Giambi both had tremendous seasons this year and Petitte and Mussina are 2 potential future hall of famers and have been reliable…but there is simply too much talent out there to pass up…I DO ADD THAT MANNY RAMIREZ is also a free agent at season’s end but he’s also a head case and probably won’t suit the yankee’s conservative and reserved way of things. You never know, maybe the yanks will keep Giambi or Abreu as DHs or pick up Vlad specifically for the DH because after this season, money shouldnt be an issue. Yanks obv has the highest pay roll of any team and this was the last season for yankee stadium and EVERY GAME was solled out + the new stadium tickets are AT LEAST 600 a piece…you do the math. The yanks have pulled in millions upon billions in revenue this year alone…budget shouldn’t be an issue. Even if my projected all-star lineup doesn’t happen we KNOWWWW that the yanks will get 1 of the 3 all star pitchers: Sabathia, Burnett, Sheets…mark my words that one of them will be in pinstripes. Even the talk of getting Vlad Guerrero could be unlikely, it was also unlikely how we got A-Rod so always expect the unexpected for the yanks

  247. Frank G September 12th, 2008 at 4:16 am

    Okay what Hank and Cash REALLY should look into (which they SURELY will after this grotesque season) is all the FREE AGENTS available after this season…we’re talking PITCHERS: Ce Ce Sabathia, Ben Sheets, AJ Burnett…yeah, thats serious, and then 2 major free agents for offensive purposes: Vlad Guerrero and Mark Teixeira..imagine this lineup in the best case scenario:

    1. Johnny Damon LF
    2. Derek Jeter SS
    3. Mark Teixeira 1B
    4. Alex Rodriguez 3B
    5. Vladimir Guerrero RF
    6. Hideki Matsui DH
    7. Xavier Nady CF
    8. Robinson Cano 2B
    9. Jorge Posada C

    Rotation:

    Chien Ming Wang
    Ce Ce Sabathia
    A.J. Burnett
    Joba Chamberlain
    Phil Hughes

    This is a obv a great lineup…but with all this to happen the following players will be gone: Giambi, Petitte, Mussina, Abreu, and Pavano…giving the yanks over 87 million back. Some tough decisions are going to be made, Abreu and Giambi both had tremendous seasons this year and Petitte and Mussina are 2 potential future hall of famers and have been reliable…but there is simply too much talent out there to pass up…I DO ADD THAT MANNY RAMIREZ is also a free agent at season’s end but he’s also a head case and probably won’t suit the yankee’s conservative and reserved way of things. You never know, maybe the yanks will keep Giambi or Abreu as DHs or pick up Vlad specifically for the DH because after this season, money shouldnt be an issue. Yanks obv has the highest pay roll of any team and this was the last season for yankee stadium and EVERY GAME was solled out + the new stadium tickets are AT LEAST 600 a piece…you do the math. The yanks have pulled in millions upon billions in revenue this year alone…budget shouldn’t be an issue. Even if my projected all-star lineup doesn’t happen we KNOWWWW that the yanks will get 1 of the 3 all star pitchers: Sabathia, Burnett, Sheets…mark my words that one of them will be in pinstripes. Even the talk of getting Vlad Guerrero could be unlikely, it was also unlikely how we got A-Rod so always expect the unexpected for the yanks

  248. j xi3 September 12th, 2008 at 4:16 am

    why there are so many DLs for key layers this year?

    did they get their candy bar back in the dogout?

  249. ant!-mussina September 12th, 2008 at 6:31 am

    ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE? REBUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT AND HOPE FOR CHEAP FREE AGENTS? WHAT IS THIS? PITTSBURGH?

    YOU DONT BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT! THIS ISNT THE NFL.

    OH YEAH I LIKE HOW WE BUILT THROUGH THE DRAFT THIS YEAR! EXCEPT OUR FIRST ROUND PICK BLEW US OFF FOR COLLEGE… WOOHOOO! SUCCESS!

  250. Jeff September 12th, 2008 at 7:51 am

    People, need to realize rebuilding can not be done in a year or two. It was started 2-3 years ago and probably will not be completely rebuilt for 1 – 2 more years at the earliest, as rebuilding to me includes the minor league system as well. while i understand the need for pitching and agree we need it improved, I am not sure we should sign 2 FA pitchers as we need to have a spot if not 2 in the rotation for our piutchers who are close to ready in the minors.
    Also have no problems with Cash stayuing on as GM, although i think he needs to look @ scouting dept. esp. pitching as we have misfired on more than a couple choices in that area IMO. think advisors such as Stick and Buck would be an awesome addition to decision making process.

  251. Briantrust September 12th, 2008 at 7:59 am

    The only FA the Yanks should be persuing is CC Sabathia. Sheets is plan B, Burnett is plan C. As for a first baseman, forget Tex. I think they can solve this problem through trades, and spotting Posada/Damon at first next season. Same thing with a CF. Tex is going to be looking at a Giambi type contract, and I just think throwing money at a name, when other avenues can be persued is what got them into trouble in the first place. The draft is just one piece of the puzzle, they need better international scouts. They can’t afford any more Kei Igawa’s or Jose Contreras’. I guess that’s why Stick is going over to Japan to check out Yu Darvish. Playing in NY isn’t the same as Seattle, or the NL. You have to have a certain makeup, besides being able to pitch on the Major League level, you have to be able to handle a high level of pressure.

  252. Briantrust September 12th, 2008 at 8:04 am

    “We’re going to have to look at what has been done wrong over the last five years, which I’ve had one year to try and figure out. Clearly, a lot of mistakes were made.”

    Cashman is gone…

  253. BBFan September 12th, 2008 at 8:38 am

    “Here is what the Yankees should do: Give Brian Cashman two years and total autonomy. That takes him through the end of Joe Girardi’s contract. If Cashman and his hand-picked manager don’t have the team going in the right direction by then, blow it all up and start over.”

    Pete, if the Yanks follow this advice, I am sure it will provide great opportunity for you next two years to whine against Girardi :)

    I have been a strong supporter of Cashman throughout. But looking at things realistically over last couple of days, I think he failed miserbaly this year. The yanks had a makeshift starting rotation and he did nothing to improve it. As bad as the offense is if they had some reliable starting pitching Yanks would have been still cometitive and in the race today. As soon as it was clear that IPK and Hughes were not going to make it this year, he should have acted and gotten some starting pitching. Given the known offensive injuries and troubles, it is stupid on his part to depend on Rasners and Sidneys and Gieses and praying to make the playoffs. For the pieces he has given up for Nady, he would have gotten good starting Pitching.

    Now I do not really mind Cashman moving on. He is another case of Yankee money making him. He had the power for three years, yes the farm system is better but not great, but just like Torre’s failures in the first round of playoffs, he has nothing to show. Also, all the credit for the farm system does not belong to him. If Oppenheimer continues to have the same freedom, he will continue to do well.

    Look at what happened in baseball in the last few years. Teams like Sox, Rays and Diamondbacks went with young creative GMs and thier teams are doing better with much less budget (Yes Boston budget is less than Yanks).
    May be it is a time for change at GM level.

  254. BBFan September 12th, 2008 at 8:44 am

    “Hank riding to the rescue of the Yankees”

    If cashman listened to Hank and got Santana, things would have been different :)

  255. Doreen September 12th, 2008 at 8:52 am

    I like Cashman. I think he should get one more year. However, no one is irreplaceable, and it may not be the worst that could happen to the Yankees if Cashman decides to leave. So far the Steinbrenners have given every indication that they want him back, so it would apparently be Cashman’s call.

    I see nothing wrong with expanding Cashman’s staff. One man cannot do it all. But anyone who is hired must be the best at what he/she is hired to do.

    Perhaps what is needed at first is for all of us to take a step back and not over react. The perfect storm befell the Yankees. Calculated risks did not pan out. Key injuries. Underperformance by too many players.

    Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Don’t abandon the idea of building the farm system and developing talent in-house. That’s a good direction, but it needs time and it needs financial support not just lip service.

    The Yankees set themselves up with their past performances for miscalculation throughout the season. Because the Yankees got off to slow starts the last 2 or 3 years and were able to regroup and really turn it on after the All-Star break, it was natural to assume they could/would do it yet again. Well, the well ran dry this year.

    I do wish they had picked up another pitcher, but again, if doing so cuts into future long term plans, sacrifices need to be made. I think the Yankees FO chose to sacrifice this season for the future.

  256. TurnTwo September 12th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    this advisory group is a good thing. put solid baseball minds (not Hank or Hal cronies) together in a room, and let them brainstorm the best ideas for the organization’s future.

    besides, if Cashman is as confident in his ability to be the full-autonomy GM, then he shouldnt be afraid to allow other baseball into his home and illustrate to them who/what/when/where/why his idea can bring this franchise back to greatness.

    and there’s nothing wrong with constructive criticism. its clear when you take a look at the current president what happens, or can happen, when you surround yourself with a bunch of ‘yes’ men.

  257. Fredo Corleone September 12th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    I wonder how this “advisory committee” differs from the old Tampa Mafia???

    To me, what the Hankster is talking about is not “what worked in the 90′s” but rather what led the organization to where they are today. What worked in the 90′s is what Cashman is trying to do.

    If this committee is indeed formed, I’d hit the highway if I’m Cashman.

  258. Dee September 12th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    “But the fact is, the more opinions the better.”

    Where in god’s green earth is that a fact??

    Btw, where/what in god’s green earth is now my favorite phrase since I heard the way Joan said it on Mad Men the other night. Love her!

    More opinions does not always mean better. Opinions from qualified and informed people tend to be better. And Hank is neither qualified nor informed when it comes to baseball decisions.

  259. pat September 12th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Bernie will be at the Stadium for the final game ceremony.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09.....128692.htm

  260. TurnTwo September 12th, 2008 at 9:07 am

    “I wonder how this “advisory committee” differs from the old Tampa Mafia???

    To me, what the Hankster is talking about is not “what worked in the 90’s” but rather what led the organization to where they are today.”

    the only reason i can see how you can draw this conclusion is if you already have a bias against Hank, or a pure love affair with everything Cashman.

    otherwise, the only thing Hank said was we’re going to fix what we can, where it makes sense to fix it.

    and he said right in the quote, he’s not basing his decision on what happened just this year, but that mistakes have been made over the past 5 years, and their going to re-evaluate the team from top to bottom to make sure they have the right people in place to make the right decisions.

    again, how is that a bad thing?

  261. TurnTwo September 12th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    “More opinions does not always mean better. Opinions from qualified and informed people tend to be better. And Hank is neither qualified nor informed when it comes to baseball decisions.”

    and why does everyone just assume that because Hank is the only one to speak publically about this that he’s the only one who thinks this?

    how does anyone here know who feels what way behind the scenes, where the real decisions are made?

    and how can anyone just assume that just because Hank talks about it, he’s going to be the one making the decisions here? hasnt it been proven that when he’s in the minority, he defers to the majority?

  262. Doreen September 12th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    pat -

    Yay! Thanks for passing on the good news.

  263. SJ44 September 12th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    Getting Santana wouldn’t have changed the fortunes of this season.

    People talk about the pitching but, the pitching numbers are better than they were last year.

    The offense killed them this year. So has the defense, but the offense has killed them more.

    That’s why the team will be re-tooled in the off-season, regardless of who the GM may be.

    As far as Hank’s wishes, they need more baseball people in the operation. That’s undeniable.

    All you have to do is look at the draft fiasco this year to realize there aren’t enough quality baseball people in the operation.

    As long as they are qualified people and not F.O.G’s (Friends of George), the organization will be better for it.

    If its Tampa Mafia 2, they take a big step back. I don’t think anybody wants to see that.

    The Red Sox may have a smaller budget than the Yankees in some areas. Howeverf, they spent more money in signing bonuses (over 10 million dollars) in the amateur draft than the Yankees did this year. In fact, they spent more money than anybody in baseball this year on the amateur draft.

    Its the real difference between the two franchises right now. The Yankees TALK about developing from within. Yet, they have very few quality prospects above A Ball.

    The Red Sox not only talk the talk but walk the walk. They not only have more good prospects above A Ball than the Yankees, their propsects have helped them win games at the major league level this year.

    How do the Yankees get there? By adding more quality baseball people to the operation.

    Theo isn’t a one man band in Boston. Far from it. They have some of the brightest minds in the game working in that organization. They are not only paid well but work in a very positive working environment.

    If adding more quality baseball people to the organization is a dealbreaker for Cashman, then he needs to move on.

    He has had complete autonomy since 2005. Autonomy, at least to me, isn’t the issue. Its making solid baseball decisions. Even Cashman will admit there have been misfires in that area.

    Adding more quality people to the baseball operation will actually make his job easier. It will make also make the organization better.

    If you want to be the GM of the team, you shouldn’t have a problem with that.

  264. Paul Zuvella September 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am

    I sincerely appreciate Cashman’s patience and years of service as well as his plan to get younger. that said, it is not working as planned. We have a lot of youth in the mimor leagues and very little of it is panning out for the major league club. Many of the “prospects” have fallen off dramatically from where they were once projected. Joba, Wang and Cano are the only solid major league players from the system over the last 8 years. The minor leagers that were brought up for the bullpen have exploded as of late and Melky, Gardner and the other revolving position players do not project as anything other than pinch runners and late inning defensive replacements.

    It is time to bring in some outside blood to put everthing into a different light.

  265. Doreen September 12th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    SJ44 -

    Why did Epstein walk away from the Red Sox a few years back? I don’t remember what the issues were.

  266. Fredo Corleone September 12th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    Turn Two:

    You’re right to a degree. I think Hank is a moron….or at least he would be if he were a little smarter.

    As for Cashman, to me the jury’s out. He has put in place a roster building philosophy that centers around building from within and augmenting with intelligent FA signings. I think this is a good thing, but also something that takes time. Building a farm system and getting out from under crap contracts is not going to happen in 2-3 years. I’d give him a little more time to get it done. Maybe the two years Pete is talking about.

  267. yankeeblades September 12th, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Hank Steinbrenner, could really be the root of the Yankees problems. With his big mouth, he will blow everything. Brian Cashman has given the Yankees years of great service and this would not be right.

  268. Doreen September 12th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    What the Yankees don’t have is anyone in AAA, save a couple of pitchers. AA has a couple of players, but only one serious position player (Jackson). Below those they seem to have better prospects, but they are not yet in a position to impact the major league club.

    SJ44 -

    Did the Red Sox get some of their minor league prospects in trade? It seems they must have, because they couldn’t have drafted all of them, or could they?

    It seems to me that has to be something the Yankees make a priority – to get prospects in trade that they are not able to draft for whatever reason. I don’t mind that they’ve concentrated on pitching – you have to start somewhere, and after all, isn’t it always said that the three most important things in baseball is pitching, pitching, pitching.

  269. Jim in Dalton September 12th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    Sorry Pete,

    Cash has had MORE than enought tima and resources…his legacy is complete..two more years? Need two more years of Carl too?

  270. TurnTwo September 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    ” I think this is a good thing, but also something that takes time. Building a farm system and getting out from under crap contracts is not going to happen in 2-3 years. I’d give him a little more time to get it done. Maybe the two years Pete is talking about.”

    and i agree. i think Cashman should get more time.

    and what Hank is saying is not that Cashman wont be the head guy, but that there needs to be an evaluation of the organization top to bottom.

    who’s to say that after whatever audit Hank and crew do on the organization, perhaps they come to the conclusion that the path Cashman has led this team is just about on point, after all?

    its just not logical to jump to definitive conclusions of what the yankees will or wont do because Hank said he wants to fix things in the middle of september.

  271. Fredo Corleone September 12th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    “Did the Red Sox get some of their minor league prospects in trade? It seems they must have, because they couldn’t have drafted all of them, or could they?”

    Doreen:

    Boston drafted their high end prospects. Remember, as a competitive team for most of the last 8-10 years, they were not making trades for prospects. They were movng prospects to augment their MLB team.

    Teams don’t tend to trade high end prospects unless they are getting an impact guy to make a playoff run (See: Sabathia for Matt LaPorta) or an offseason deal to position a team to be a contender (See: Beckett and Lowell for H. Ramirez, A. Sanchez, etc) and even then, teams don’t like to move their high end prospects(See: Johann Santana dealings).

  272. SJ44 September 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Doreen,

    No, they have just drafted very well the last 5 years. They haven’t taken back much in trade re: their prospects.

    They have made a real commitment to the draft and have aggressively signed thought to be difficult signs out of the draft each year. They also do a very good job developing the players they have in the minor leagues.

    Theo’s issues were with Larry Lucchino. That’s why he left for a short time. Once those issues were resolved, namely, John Henry gave him autonomy on the baseball ops side, he returned.

    I love how Hank is now the “bad guy” according to some. What did he do this year? Did he not approve a budget of over 200 million for the team? Did he not hit with RISP?

    Really, stop the reactionary nonsense re: Hank. He had no bearing on the season.

    They didn’t make the playoffs this year because they stunk. That’s not on the owner. That’s on the players.

    The owner is actually trying to find ways to fix the problem.

    Unless of course, some of you just want the status quo and believe only injuries cost the Yankees this season. That would be a very incorrect presumption.

    The bottom line is, despite Hank’s daily quotes, Hal Steinbrenner runs the Yankees. Hal is the guy who will chart the course of the franchises future, not Hank.

    What Hal decides to do will impact the franchise a helluva lot more than ANYTHING Hank has to say.

    Does Hank like to hear the sound of his own voice? Yes. Does it determine wins and losses for the Yankees? No.

  273. Fredo Corleone September 12th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    “who’s to say that after whatever audit Hank and crew do on the organization, perhaps they come to the conclusion that the path Cashman has led this team is just about on point, after all?”

    Family history. ;)

    Guess we wait and see. I think it’s important that they stick by Cashman’s philosophy. If this group is put together to offer opinions/thoughts within the framework of that philosophy, I’m OK with it.

  274. Mike September 12th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    I really think that Theo is leaps and bounds smarter than the Cash Man and much more aware of what to look for in a great player (Not to mention much better at getting rid of aging superstars).

    Doesn’t Theo also have the guy that basically invented Sabermetrics on his staff? I think I read that somewhere.

    The Yankees need an organizational revamp if we’re going to compete next year.

  275. Yankee gods Help US September 12th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    Who was the master mind to getting Rid of Torre? i still dont see or understand Why year after year all the man did was get us to the playoffs for a CHANCE to win it all is gone.. Its hard just to get there and he is at fault losing in October, now we have a manager that says the same line after a lost and cant get his players to turn around and play decent ball to get out of 4th place!

  276. TurnTwo September 12th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    “Guess we wait and see. I think it’s important that they stick by Cashman’s philosophy. If this group is put together to offer opinions/thoughts within the framework of that philosophy, I’m OK with it.”

    yeah, thats what i’m kind of saying. i dont see this necessarily as a shift from Brian Cashman’s core philosophy.

    i see this as a reinforcement of it. Cashman will still rule the roost, but he’ll have better baseball people around and underneath him to help make the right call.

  277. Mike September 12th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    “Adding more quality people to the baseball operation will actually make his job easier. It will make also make the organization better.
    If you want to be the GM of the team, you shouldn’t have a problem with that.”

    Amen

  278. randy l September 12th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    “Why did Epstein walk away from the Red Sox a few years back?”

    lucchino was really annoyed that theo like to work a his computer in a gorilla suit, so one day theo got ticked off and just left wearing said gorilla suit.

    well , in this day of live and let live, henry intervened and pointed out that lucchino was being a little close minded so they patched it up and decided to flip the page.

    theo can now access baseball prospectus in any suit he desires.

  279. tammy September 12th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    2009 Rotation:

    1.Sabathia
    2.A.J. Burnett
    3.Wang
    4.Mussina/petitte
    5.Joba/Alfredo Aceves/Hughes

  280. SJ44 September 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Fredo,

    The problem with Cashman’s philosophy is its execution.

    He wants to build from within yet, can’t sign 2 of his first 3 picks in the draft, and the second pick (a player on nobody’s Top 75) may need elbow surgery. That’s not good.

    They had Michael Iona signed, sealed and delivered yet, lost him. Also, not good.

    That’s all under the GM’s watch. Fair or not, he takes the hit for it. Especially since he now has autonomy of the baseball operation.

    They are short quality minor league instructors. Meaning, their young players aren’t getting the type of quality instruction needed to advance through the system.

    They lost a quality coach in Gil Patterson and have still not yet replaced him.

    Cashman’s “philosophy” really isn’t novel. Everybody in baseball wants to build from within now. Its all about execution and the execution of it was not good this year under any objective review.

    The issue now is, where do they go from here? Pete’s idea, while logical to some degree, isn’t realistic.

    I doubt Brian Cashman is going to take a 2 year contract extension. He’s going to get a 3 or 4 year deal, whether its with the Yankees or with another team.

    So, giving him 2 years to coincide with Girardi’s deal, while logical, won’t happen.

    The issue, of which there is no clear cut answer IMO, is whether or not the Yankees and Cashman can be “married” to this plan, and themselves, for 3-4 more years?

    IMO, for that to happen, its not just about want Cashman wants. Its about what the Steinbrenners want and HOW to execute what each side wants.

    Frankly, he needs help. If he doesn’t think so, they he needs to move on.

    Too many mistakes, correctable mistakes, were made throughout the organization this year. The type of mistakes that get most GM’s fired.

    The Steinbrenner’s don’t want to fire Brian Cashman. They want him back. They just want a more fortified baseball operation.

    Nothing wrong with that, IMO.

    But, as in all these things, the devil is in the details. If both sides can agree, the entire organization will be better for it.

    If they can’t, then you move on.

    No one person is bigger than the franchise.

  281. Yankee gods Help US September 12th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    Leave JOBA in the Bull PEN!!!! alot of games lot this year because no 7th or 8th inning guy, way too many over rated arms in the pen that didnt get the job done..

  282. Doreen September 12th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    randy l -

    Aha! The real reason surfaces! :lol:

  283. Mike September 12th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    When Hank and Hal’s power combines…..I AM GEORGE STEINBRENNER!

  284. Fredo Corleone September 12th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    SJ:

    Agree the draft was a disaster. Not sure we know enough about the Inoa thing. I keep hearing they “thought they had a deal”. To me, when you don’t KNOW you have a deal, you don’t have a deal.

    This year’s draft aside, they’ve done quite well the past 2-3 Junes and I think we’re within a couple years of seeing it manifest itself on the big league field.

    That said, some mistakes have been made, as you point out. If having this group allows for a more effective implementation and execution of what Cashman is trying to do, then I’m all for it. If it becomes the Tampa crowd versus the NYC crowd like it has in the past, then I think we have issues.

  285. fuhgoobagaz September 12th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    Yankee gods Help US

    A lot of games were lost due to poor starting pitching as well.

    A lot of games were lost because the Yankees couldn’t score runs.

    A lot of games were lost because the manager made bad calls and the team paid for it.

    A lot of games were lost because the team just wasn’t consistent in the way they played.

    Joba in the pen, and the bull pen in general is the least of the Yankees problems this year.

  286. randy l September 12th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    “Aha! The real reason surfaces! ”

    doreen-
    i had inside information from a friend in the gorilla suit rental business that theo was a very good customer.

  287. Vinnie S. September 12th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    He needs to go back and see how we won in 1996-2000, and use that model. Clearly, they have gone away from that model. Throwing money at big time offensive free agents doesn’t work.

    Also, this notion that the Yankees youth movement was failing in 2008, is a myth. This mostly refers to the Joba, Kennedy, Hughes movement. These players comprised of less than 1.2 million of the Yankees 207 million dollar payroll. To blame them is moronic. The reason they stunck thei year was, they had crucial injuries, as well as sub-par and lethargic play from the remaining 206 million dollars. This team showed no urgency, and no heart. The captain, is the most invisible captain in Yankees history. And this year he has shown decline on offense, and especially on defense. We have 80 million coming off the payroll. Do not re-sign anyone on the 80 million going free, especially Abreu. Throw it at Sabathia and Sheets. Remember 1996-2000. That team was built around a core, and that team was always hungry. These players are lame and boring. Send them packing.

  288. AROD fan September 12th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    cashman/girardi total autonomy is just silly sports writing. we enjoy these fantasies cooked up by sports writers about how one or two half intelligent dudes can be responsible for the success or failure of an entire ball club, but in reality we have no idea just how many professionals behind the scenes it takes to run a baseball team. what is wrong with the yankees hiring more? plus i don’t understand why an owner of something like the yankees should give complete autonomy to a general manager. it’s one of espn’s major campaigns, now pete is on board.

  289. RER - 98 September 12th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    As SJ mentions, the loss of Gil Patterson to the Oakland A’s was a horrific loss and a ridiculous as it may be, a Yankee source told me it was over money.
    Prior to this year, Patterson played a large role in the development of Gulf Coast Rookie and the high and low A classification pitchers in taking their college and high school mechanics and refining them.

  290. black yankee September 12th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    I think that while Hanks knows little about baseball is irrelevant because anybody can see how this team totally underachieved. I think the owners should be upset based on the fact that they got little bang for thier buck. Of course its not that simple but Cashman has alot more to work with than most GM`s and he did less with more.
    I think he evaluates pitching poorly, thats his biggest fault. I also think he has this thought that players performing at a high level in the NL would transfer to the AL and do the same. He has been mostly wrong on that too.

  291. Paul V September 12th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Cashman has had his opportunity, his time of autonomy. Just cut the rope and let him go.

  292. Housecleaner September 12th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    For perhaps the first time, Hank is showing some sense. By seeking the advise of an advisory board (presumably consisting of baseball knowledgeable individuals outside the organization) he is doing what any sound new businessman not familiar with the specifics of his business would do…a top to bottom review by third parties….it doesn’t take a genius to see that the entire organization is flawed. The farm system has not produced; draft choices have been abysmal; scouting abroad absurd and wasteful (Kei Igawa?); there is no sound, structured approach to developing young players as other teams (viz, Twins, Angels to name a few) do, i.e., develop and train “a Yankee Way” (and I don’t mean “play cool, don’t push the envelop by crashing into walls in hot pursuit, acknowledge the Bleacher Creatures in the middle of a play, give High Fives correctly and gleefully in the dugout after a homerun even if the team is down by a dozen or so runs”) Cashman’s free agency dealings, with few exceptions, have not worked but have created a logjam of players who have hit the downward slope at the same time, each one seeking a position change in the hope the gravy train continues (read, first base..the retiree’s position if the DH is otherwise unavailable). This only scratches the surface as to “what’s wrong” from top to bottom. Finally, Hank has decided to wake up and smell the coffee. Extend Cashman,exacerbate a spiralling down scenario as the fault in large measure rests at his doorstep as he has acknowledged, and wait two years? Preposterous!!! The future cannot wait. Do it now coincident with the new Stadium!! In any event, the wording of Hank’s announcement suggests it is unlikely Cashman will return. Even if an offer is made, Cashman reads the language loud and clear.

  293. Housecleaner September 12th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Cashman has never taken a synergistic “do the pieces fit” approach to putting together a cohesive team on the field. By constantly signing free agents, similarly situated age wise, to ludicrous contracts, he has assured us that the skill levels would all deteriorate at or around the same time. Thus, the team would implode as it indeed has.

  294. Briantrust September 12th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    Someone will take the hit for this season, and it’s Cashman. He has has three years of autonomy, and the team has gotten worse every year.

  295. Yankees need more runs September 12th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    I do not usually agree with Hank but I am fully on his side this time. Yes, many mistakes were made over the past year, many of those mistakes were made by Cashman. The more autonomy Cashman had in the past few years, the farther away Yankees are from the world championship.

  296. terpbomber September 12th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Cashman has been the biggest problem during the last few years. When he came on board, he inherited an already great team put together by Gene Michael & Bob Watson. Most the moves he’s made has dubious at best.

    His pitching decisions have been awful. After 2001, Cashman broke up the great bullpen, only to reacquire Nelson and Stanton later (yet unceremoniously releasing the latter). He goes after bad pitchers like Jeff Weaver and Kevin Brown. He stupidly brings back Wells and Clemens, as if they had something left. They didn’t; those were costly moves! He couldn’t get Schilling and gets Randy Johnson, who was long past his prime. He seemed like he got lit up every time.

    I know a lot of Yankee fans want to throttle Schilling for comments he’s made over the years. But prior to going to Boston, he wanted to join the Yankees! He was available and Cashman opted not to do anything on more than one occasion. The result? Schilling wins three World Series championships that could have belonged to the Yankees! If Schilling was here, he’d be dispensing the below-the-belt comments at Boston instead! And Pavano… didn’t Cashman do his homework before signing the guy to that deal? Igawa? An expensive career minor leaguer. The latter two was costlier than trying to sign Dice-K, which he should have done.

  297. ZMAN7777 September 12th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    I wouldn’t give Cashman two weeks, let alone two years. The results of his handiwork are quite clear. This team is regressing at a rapid pace. And, to top it all off, Cashman hasn’t even been encumbered by fiscal discipline concerns, which other GMs deal with as a matter of course. Cut the cord, Hank.

  298. ralph September 12th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    terpbomber, your post was right on the mark about Cashman. He has single-handedly destroyed a dynasty by picking up the leftovers, such as Johnson and Igawa, as well as numerous other pitchers, rather than trading for the top pitcher on the market over and over again. How can you turn down trading for a proven multiple Cy Young winner and bona fide star such as Santana for minor leaguers who have not proven themselves (Joba wasn’t even in the discussion)? He has also always put together a terrible bench because he goes on the cheap because he would rather waste millions of dollars on a guy who absolutely knew was a stiff, Igawa. Pennats and championships are won with a strong bench whith hustling, muti-faceted players. His idea of a bench is using his broken down, injured veterans to DH, and bring in the awful fielding stiff Betemit.
    Hank didn’t go far enough in his statement, because Cashman has ruined a championship team put together by others, which has caused the value of YES network to go down, as well as ruin the lustre on the new Stadium. The locks on Cashman’s office should be changed immediately after the last out of the last pathetic game, and let him take a job in Philly, which will help the Mets, or Seattle, the dead zone.
    Plus, Torre would have made absolutely no difference this year, as he was losing it the last few years, even though Girardi didn’t distinguish himself. The smiling jacks, Cano, Melky, and Abreu all have to go, as well as the free agents in addition to Abreu.

  299. Steve September 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Bye bye Cashman.

  300. Ariel September 12th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Cashman’s inability to put together a synergistic team has come home to roost. Imagine 3 guys in their mid to later 30′s with an aggregate salary commitment of 40 mill for 09 either campaigning or “acquiescing” to play first base next year since their skill sets, through age or injury, or both, have deteriorated to the point that they just can’t play their “regular” posiitons (Damon, Matsui and Posada). Add to the mix, the resident statue, Giambi, who would even take a “cut” to about 15 –20Mill to return!! And there is thought to also bringing the wall-phobic Abreu back!!!

  301. adam d September 12th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Ya. A lot of mistakes were made, the first one is letting Joe Torre go. The only sweet thing about the Yankees most likely not making the playoffs is that Joe Torre looks like he is going to the playoffs. Thats it. This team was consistently inconsistent. I still love them though, and won’t count them out till that (x) is near their name. I look forward to seeing a team with intensity and heart. Get me that Hal! The Yankees 4 Championships did not come for super stars, they came from people that dive for balls, pitch their hearts out, and are not afraid of the outfield wall.

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