Games 147 and 148: Rays at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 13, 2008 
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GAME ONE
YANKEES (77-69)
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Molina C
Mussina RHP
Game 1 starter James Shields (12-8, 3.04) against the New York hitters.
Game 2 starter Matt Garza (11-9, 3.55) vs. the New York hitters.
Game 1 starter Mike Mussina (17-8, 3.48) against the Tampa Bay hitters
Game 2 starter Sidney Ponson (8-5, 5.10) vs. the Tampa Bay hitters.
Notes: Thanks to Brian Heyman for calling in the lineup. … Mussina is 3-0 with a 1.96 ERA against the Rays this season. … Ponson is 0-1 against the Rays this season. In 11 innings he has allowed six runs on 17 hits. He faced them as a Yankee on July 9 and allowed one run over six innings. … Derek Jeter has had 1,260 hits at Yankee Stadium. The record is 1,269 by Lou Gehrig. … The Yankees are 9-6 against Tampa Bay this season. The Rays have a losing record against only one other team in the AL, Cleveland (2-5).
RAYS INJURY UPDATE: Third baseman Evan Longoria, out since Aug. 7 because of a fractured right wrist, is expected to play the first game but not the second. “He’s feeling pretty frisky right now. There’s a decent chance that he might be out there tomorrow,†manager Joe Maddon said Friday night.
Center fielder B.J. Upton, (left quad) is not expected to play.
Enjoy the games.
UPDATE, 10:21 a.m.: The Rays have called up LHP David Price, the first pick in the 2007 draft and the best prospect in baseball. No word yet on what his role will be.
UPDATE, 1:08 p.m.: A-Rod is out of at least the first game with a stiff neck. Dave Robertson also was called up. Tampa also called up Jonny Gomes.
I am not at the Stadium today and have plans tonight, so this could be it for updates.
GAME TWO
YANKEES (77-80)
Gardner CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez DH
Nady LF
Cano 2B
Betemit 1B
I. Rodriguez C
Ransom 3B
Ponson RHP
Notes: The Yankees have dropped four of their last five games and are 4-6 over their last 10. … Game 1 marked the 47th time the Yankees have scored two or fewer runs this season. That’s nearly one third of the games. … The Yankees are 20-31 in series openers.
Just wondering, but is there is any chance this team doesn’t finish with a winning record? They need to go 5-10 over the last 15 games and that’s not a lock given how they’ve shut down.
The White Sox are a very good hitting club… good test for Hughes. They are fighting for a playoff spot so they will scout him extensively before the game and make sure they are ready.
We did need a starter though and there was nobody else on the 40 man aside from him and Kennedy because of the rainout.
Just read that Andy flew home on Wednesday to bring his family back to NY. His home was in the path of Hurricane Ike. I was watching some coverage last night and it looked very bad there. Hopefully no one lost their lives.
I also don’t see how Houston expects to play two games tomorrow. They said most of Houston is without power.
Price is a stud… their version of Joba, our phenom.
They should make him the closer for the rest of the year, Percivil is toast. Their pen is the weakest link. Howell, Bradford, Wheeler, Price would be a nice start.
“The Rays have called up LHP David Price, the first pick in the 2007 draft and the best prospect in baseball. No word yet on what his role will be.”
his role will #1 stud. think joba, maybe better.
his quick rise to the majors was overseen in the majority of his starts by neil allen , the ray double a pitching coach.
i wonder if allen was able to pass on the sinker to price that he taught to wang.
too bad i’m wondering what he’s teaching potential ray aces instead of potential yankee aces.
“At the end of the day, I definitely without a doubt believe that as owners, they need to set up a structure they’re comfortable with. Simple as that,†he said. “I’m certainly not going to make this about me. I do have an advisory board: It’s my manager; it’s my coaching staff; it’s our pro scouting director; it’s our farm director; it’s our amateur scouting director.â€
Obvioulsy, Cashman is posturing.
The Yankee owners are talking about the advisory group for the owners, not to cashman. And I think it is a good thing, as long as it does not turn out into the old Tampa mafia.
Other than rebuilding the farm, cashman’s record is very spotty. For the farm system too, I give more credit to Oppenheimer. He would have done as good if given the same freeedom by another GM.
I think Yanks are better of if Cashman moves on. They need to get a young creative GM like Diamonbacks did and have this advisory group. If there was an advisory group this year and there was balance to Cashman’s unrealistic faith in the rookies, we would have been in playoff hunt.
…. and we can alreday see Pete’s man crush on Cashman surfacing just like he has been doing with Torre.
Here is my prediction: If Cashman is out, Pete will go to great lengths to criticise the new GM just like he does day in day out about Girardi.
Agree 100%. Go steal a couple of young execs from top FOs like Boston, Arizona, Dodgers, etc. or one of Billy Beane’s disciples and groom him for the job. Let Stick take over in the interim and right the ship this off-season while we groom a young exec.
I would prefer not to move Damon to the GM, he is excellent where he is as the draft guru.
I’m not sure Pete can criticize Stick… after all, he is the architect of our last dynasty and has immense credentials. He isn’t inexperienced like Girardi. I am still wondering why George rescinded Stick’s power, he is, bar none, the best talent evaluator we have and has a proven track record. Still time to rectify it, lets hope Hank/Hal realize it. Not using Stick as the chief decision maker is equal to keeping Joba in the bullpen. He’ll help you anywhere, but is bets maximized in the rotation like Stick is having a large role in the organization.
“Nice to see that Trisha is such an expert on pitching that she knows that Kennedy will have no worth whatsoever.”
Macademia, because I don’t spend 24-7 on these forums playing armchair manager doesn’t mean that I don’t observe or cannot make an informed judgment. In fact I think it’s a strength that I am not so emotionally bound up in every move ever made by the Yankees because it might give me just a smidgeon more of objectivity. In any event, I, known for never giving up on any Yankee project by and large, have watched enough of Kennedy, both in the Bronx and then in person when he pitched in the finals for Scranton a short while ago, that I feel that he should not be allowed anywhere near the Bronx if it is in a Yankee uniform. I did not say that Kennedy will have no worth whatsoever, I’m saying that I don’t believe he has what it takes to pitch for the New York Yankees. Those are two very different statements.
Anyway, I ended it all by saying it was “just my opinion” which in the end here is all any of us has – our opinions. The real experts are the ones who are paid to make the decisions. They are not the ones posting on the lohud blog.
So it will be Hughes for 2 innings and Giese for 6?
Based on the developments in the last week, Yanks out of playoffs, owners want advisory group, I think it is almost given that Cashman is out. The only way I see him coming back is if he agrees to the advisory group, which he will not.
If cashman moves on, I wish him success with Phillies or Nationals whoever he signs with, just like I wished succeess to Torre.
As some one suggested before, I would like to see Stick for a year or two at the helm with a young gun being groomed for the GM during that period. I would like to see Buck as the part of the advisory group. Buck and Stick work well. With due respect to Cash and Torre, it is Buck and Stick who were responsible for building the dynasty. It can happen again.
I know we need a pitcher because of the rainout, but not sure how I feel about Phil Hughes closing out his season at Yankees Stadium potentially getting rocked after he has experienced some wins in the minors that hopefully were therapeutic for him.
Price could be the biggest bust
“I’m not sure Pete can criticize Stick… ”
I agree.
Stick will be the only exception.
If he does, the whole board will revolt and he will lose his total credibility
Guys, how is it that Houston is only 3 back of the NL wild card?
We were all making fun of them when they decided to be buyers at the trade deadline…but looks like we might all have to eat some crow.
I agree Dee – Phil has absolutely no leeway with fans. If he struggles even a tad, I think he gets booed big time. From now on, he’d better pitch like a HOFer……….Boy, I hate thinking this way; it’s sad, really. Phil is a terrific kid and a terrific talent; I just wonder if he will be able to live up to that in NY. The pressure on him to be an ace right this minute is suffocating.
ER, with the way the Chi-Town offense hits, that appears to be a good bet. We ain’t in Scranton anymore!
Swisher, O-Cabrera, Dye, Thome, Konerko, Prezinzky, Griffey, Alexi Ramirez is different than Johnny Gomez and the rejects in Durham.
Though I think it will be Hughes 2.1, Giese 1.2, Rasner 3.1, Edwar 0.1, Britton 1.1 combining for 20 runs.
Trisha – you lost all credibility with your support of Ponson. Kennedy is young. No one knows what he will end up being in baseball. Be it bust or decent, for the Yankees or not.
By your show of support of Ponson, who has a long track record of not being good, your “objectivity” is blown.
Kennedy has a record of being very good one year and stinking it up the next. This was throughout his College career. Yet, go ahead and tar and feather him. Ignore the fact that he is still a kid trying to find his way.
I don’t hate Cashman and don’t think it’s all his fault that we had such a lousy season. But I would give him an A either, more like a C+ given the salary budget he had to play with. Some fresh blood will be good, but who? Except for Stick do we know of anyone else better and available? And do we know Stick actually wants to come back or is it just our wishful thinking??
Anyway there is a chance I will need to move to Asia again for work. If that happens I will miss my Yankees, but hopefully my next stint will be short and I will be back to NYC just in time after the rebuilding is complete and the empire starts to strike back.
Hughes will THrow a no hitter
You never hear any negative stuff with these hyped prospects like Price. All positives. Sometimes people act as if there are no issues with them, they’re the perfect package.
Does Price have a quality third pitch? All I heard is he has a plus slider and a plus FB. Can he get his change over or if he has a curve for a strike anytime in the count?
I heard the same thing when Kershaw was in the minors. It was nothing but positives. Until he came up and the league saw him.
Hope Moose can pick up # 18 today. He has four starts left, and it looks like he’s lined up to pitch the final game in Boston.
Robertson also called up.
any reason why ponson is starting as opposed to a younger pitcher?
Theo Epstein has a similar setup in Boston… he isin’t the sole decision maker. He has Lucchino and the other cast of characters
If the architect of two world championship teams in the past 4 years, who has struck gold with FA signings, trades, role players, and youth development has an advisory group and doesn’t have sole decision making abilities…. then Why should Cashman? What has Cashman done to warrant full control?
Agree Betsy. Hindsight 20/20 but we definitely did all have unrealistic expectations for Phil. I keep reminding myself Phil Hughes would be our Edinson Volquez. Completely rolled over his rookie year in the majors but look at him now, he regrouped nicely and finally lived up to the high expectations.
If Cashman goes, how much shorter does Girardi’s leash get?
If you think Hughes is a bust, go check out what Maddox, Smoltz and Glavine did their rookie year. One of them, Smoltz or Glavine, had an okay year, but the others, not so much.
I hope Chris Basak would be called up. remember that rocket he hitted but was caught during the Yanks vs Giants game last year? he thought for sure, it was going to be his first major league homer at McCovey field.
one interesting phenomenon on the blog is the retreat of many of the people who supported cashman 100% the past few years and the rise in the number of comments of other voices looking for a better direction for the yankees to go in.
it’s almost an absurd position to take that cashman has done a good job.
as sj has said, it wasn’t so much the plan as the execution.
i really wish i would have been wrong about cashman, because i’d rather be wrong than have the yankee be in the position they are in. the way things are being done really has that bridge to nowhere feeling to it.
While I agree with you Rebecca, it is too early to give up on Hughes… for every Glavine/Maddux/Smoltz there are tens of thousands of prospects who do not pan out.
“Trisha – you lost all credibility with your support of Ponson. Kennedy is young. No one knows what he will end up being in baseball. Be it bust or decent, for the Yankees or not.
By your show of support of Ponson, who has a long track record of not being good, your “objectivity†is blown.”
Macademia, my credibility where? On this blog?
You’ll have to excuse me for that. I absolutely support Ponson’s effectiveness for the Yankees this season for the purpose that they got him. My objectivity goes that far that I don’t knee jerk or cry when a Yankee pitcher gotten off the scrap heap for a song because the Yankees didn’t have other options, and who ends up performing as good as any number 5 could be asked the perform, giving up either 0 or 1, 2, or 3 ER in some very important games and losing because he didn’t get run support in those games – he more than did his job for the Yankees.
I didn’t need to look into his past to watch him in the present and make my own decisions on whether he was doing the job he was called on to do. The ridiculous fans, in my opinion, are the ones who are so tethered to his years elsewhere (which weren’t all that bad), can’t let go of their pacifiers long enough to just examine this short span of time, and who can’t be honest enough to admit he had some very good games for the Yankees. No I don’t need the approval of posters on a blog who are willing to overlook the games where he gave up very few runs. More posters than I have said that Ponson did more than what we had bargained for. Nobody nominated him for a Cy award, I included.
If I have no credibility with you for supporting Ponson I think I’ll continue to survive and thrive. I bet I would have credibility with the Yankee organization for continuing to realize that under all circumstances, Ponson was the best choice they could make and giving up 3 ER in a game was being more than effective. (By the way, he also gave up many more runs in some of the games, but so did our front-of-the-line guys; he was gotten to really be an end-of-the-rotation guy.)
Way off topic, but if were all of you I’d fill up my gas tank today. Prices are said to be going up 50-75 cents a gallon. My local guy told me there gas would go up on next load. Also heard a station in Summit NJ is like $4.80 a gallon while everyone else was about $3.60 a gallon. Obviously he is doing something illegal, and according to some guy they interviewed he is always with crazy prices.
JOBA > HUGHES AND KENNEDY COMBINED
jenn: There’s a station in Midland Park that’s much cheaper than anywhere else, but it’s cash only.
watch out for trisha AKA THE BIGGEST HOMER ON THIS BLOG
since Pete is not their today http://www.pinstripemania.blogspot.com is blogging lvie from both games and the NY Giant game tomorrow
And by the way Macademia, Hughes is young also and nobody knows what he’ll end up being, but I am more than willing to keep on trying with this guy. He has the kind of maturity and attitude that makes me think that success is probable and being with the Yankees is probably a good choice.
Kennedy doesn’t have what it takes to succeed with the Yankees IN MY OPINION. He may be very successful elsewhere. If he ends up in pinstripes and is a rip-roaring success I’ll be the first to tip my cap and say I was wrong on that one.
If our AAA team can beat Price, I’m sure he’s not going to be as dominant as he has been talked up to be.
“watch out for trisha AKA THE BIGGEST HOMER ON THIS BLOG”
One of the biggest homers you will likely ever find. Never a question about that. Even moreso then when I get down on a player there just might be something to it.
Thanks and have a great day!
two things for today. I heard Jeter in an interview say that he thought that the idea of having to win everyday was making it real hard, (pressure)
I love Jeter, but thats his and his teammates and managers fault. They got behind very early on and got too far behind to recover. All we heard from Jeter and the leader Girardi all season was that “there is plenty of baseball to play” while Girardi sat hot hitters, held tryouts for the bullpen etc. So for my guy Jeter to say that now is off base.
Rebecca where is that? Do you know what they are charging now?
“What has Cashman done to warrant full control?”
Well he signed Kevin Brown and netted us Betemit in a blockbuster deal…Don’t forget Pudge. He also acted as the architect for our stellar starting pitching rotation this year. I’d say he deservers total control.
Hey Ive got to go with Trisha here Ponson has performed quite well for the Yankees, he has done what he was brought here to do.
randy l -
I like to think that I’m open-minded and that a person’s opinion can change based on information at hand. But I’m not ready to kick Cashman to the curb just yet. It would be silly to think that there’s no one else who can do the job at least as well, if not better. But I do think the man has a plan, that there needs to be more time given for the plan to work, and unfortunately, because of the venue, no one has patience beyond the “New York minute.”
What I’m hoping to see from Cashman is the same open-mindedness, though, which would allow him to tweak the plan as needed. I’d rather see a person flip-flop after assessing a situation than stick to a flawed plan.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....1231.story
Mike-
be fair- here is the list of players that he traded for Pudge, Kevin Brown and Betemit
Scott Proctor
Jeff Weaver
Kyle Farnsworth
Not exactly blockbuster material.
yeah imagine if hughes gave up 6 runs to durham earlier in the week- imagine what the people here would say about him
(Price gave up 6 runs in game 1 of the series vs Shelley Duncan, Juan Miranda, Justin Christian, et al.)
I think people are starting to turn on each other here. Posters who haven’t interacted all year are “feuding”.
Price > (Joba + Hughes + Kennedy + Chase Wright + Rasner + Ponson)
anti-mussina
i dont think anyone will argue with that lol, joba is in a different universe than hughes or kennedy.
LYPD – you are crazy.
what has price done to distinguish himself in the major (like Joba). His stats in the minors are very similar to Hughes and Kennedy for that matter.
Lets wait and see if it translates.
Price and Joba are on different levels than Hughes, Kennedy, Rasner etc.
LYPD:
You get a D- for correctness and
a B- for redundancy in that equation since
(Kennedy + Chase Wright + Rasner + Ponson) = 0
“Price and Joba are on different levels than Hughes, Kennedy, Rasner etc.”
how could you even mention rasner
So if Hughes starts on Wednesday, then will start against the Chi Sox, in Toronto, and in Fenway.
Not exactly the Durham Bulls.
A-Rod scratched with a stiff neck
Nady batting clean up
Ransom at 3B
jenn: It’s near the Kings there. Don’t know how much, though. I don’t have my car with me here.
doreen-
i wouldn’t kick cashman to the curb either because he does have a wealth of experience of the mechanisms of mlb baseball. the red sox hire former gms like mike port and bill lajoie to be assistants because of this very kind of knowledge that gms pick up over the years.
matter of fact cashman at some point would make avery good assistant in this manner for the red sox.
go back to the josh bynes example i gave before. when has cashman ever hired this kind of guy who would go on to be a gm at another contending team?
and it will never happen. cashman does not hire bright young assistant go getter gms in their late 20′s who could become a threat to him. it’s one thing to be fair and open minded with cashman, but how do you reconcile this flaw that cashman has.
the reason he can’t get his plan executed is that he doesn’t have the young talent that he can delegate too to get the job done. this young talent scares him. the red sox thrive on the young management talent. the yankees don’t.
Any of you guys watching Maryland/Cal?
I wonder who’s nuttier, Trisha on this blog or Sarah Palin. I’m voting for Sarah Palin.
A Rod scratched? Oh, God who do we have that can possibly drive in all those baserunners now?
I’m glad they are calling up Hughes. He needs to get another chance, and there is no better time than now. It will always help the Yankees determine what to do with him this off season. I’m looking forward to the Vintage Hughes being back.
…voting for Sarah Palin as the nuttiest of them all, that is.
“A Rod scratched? Oh, God who do we have that can possibly drive in all those baserunners now?”
Who on the team has driven in more this year?
is their any word yet on way a-rod was pulled from the line up
Hate to say it but lets see what Nady does in the 4 spot
Don’t risk anymore injuries… rest all of the vets except the guys who could be shopped in the off-season (Abreu, Giambi, Pudge, Matsui, Damon etc.)
And who will the clowns blame when they aren’t driven in?
Stiff Neck is what was said by Evolution
Hate to say it but lets see what Nady does in the 4 spot
What’s there to hate ? He performs good he gets showcased for an offseason deal. He doesn’t then we still shop him in the offseason and know what we’re dealing.
“I wonder who’s nuttier, Trisha on this blog or Sarah Palin. I’m voting for Sarah Palin.”
YAWN!
I wonder who “56 states” has posed as in the past. Love the bravery of someone who needs to keep changing screennames because they get so twisted about someone else’s post that they need to work out their angst by showing up again and again and again…only as “different people”. A riot, actually.
Jays leading 1-0. GO JAYS!!!
GO YANKEES!!
Well, B. Yankee, if Shields throws Nady any slow hooks and sliders off of the plate, judged on what he has done over the last three weeks, the answer would be….a lot of strike outs and weak grounders.
Byrd – 4-1 with a 3.82 ERA for Boston.
Wish we had Theo/Lucchino as our GM.
Price gave up 4 runs against SWB, not 6, and he only had two hard hit balls against him all night. He got dinked to death in that game.
He’s hyped as he is because he was one of the best college pitchers in recent memory, and tops the high-90s with his fastball… as a lefty.
All the hype he gets is deserved.
Well, B. Yankee, if Shields throws Nady any slow hooks and sliders off of the plate, judged on what he has done over the last three weeks, the answer would be….a lot of strike outs and weak grounders.
I still can’t believe how poor NL scouting is, he gets away w/ a long swing in the NL but the AL figured him out in 2 – 4 weeks.
assuming the yankees dont finish with a protected draft pick and they only sign 1 type a FA..i assume they will lose this years draft position and not the carry-over from last year?
“Byrd – 4-1 with a 3.82 ERA for Boston.
Wish we had Theo/Lucchino as our GM.”
Do you realize that Byrd would probably be 1 – 4 with the Yankees? Pitching was not and has not been our problem. Sure, Ponson and Rasner threw a few awful starts, but the majority of their starts were well enough to win. They didn’t win and we haven’t won this season because our offense is abysmal.
I still can’t believe how poor NL scouting is, he gets away w/ a long swing in the NL but the AL figured him out in 2 – 4 weeks.
getting back on hating Nady again? lol
If we trade Nady, it needs to be for someone good.
We did give up our stud 5 tool OF prospect Tabata for him, foolishly.
Just because we need more role players, doesn’t mean you trade your stud prospects to get them.
“Price gave up 4 runs against SWB, not 6, and he only had two hard hit balls against him all night. He got dinked to death in that game.’
Killa:
You don’t get it, do you? Only Yankees pitchers get dinked to death. Pitchers from every other organization get hit hard. That’s just the way it is (See also: The umpires strike zone is the size of a toaster oven for the Yankees pitchers and the size of a brick oven for the opposing pitcher).
How’s the weather? Game on?
Just catching up.
1. Good news about Hughes.
2. If you judge by Kennedy’s last start for Scranton, he’s still not ready.
3. Hope we can Alex back soon.
4. Go, go Jeter (and Moose)
5. What’s with Cal?
6. Thoughts going out to the people of my old stomping grounds. I may have frolicked on those long piers that washed away in Galveston.
killa3312 he was getting messed up by Ben Broussard, Bernie Castro and Shelley Duncan …
Bad news: Yankees Tragic number is 7 against the Rays.
Good News: No matter the outcome of the weekend, there will be no chance of a champagne celebration for the Rays this weekend.
getting back on hating Nady again? lol
What part of I don’t hate him don’t people get. I don’t believe he was the best you can get for a Jose Tabata.That was a horrible value deal.
Mussina looking good in the 1st!!
Go MOOSE!
Greenberet7,
I read your post, sounds like you are not watching the game when our cleanup hitter comes up to the plate
pat – so weird to be in a position of helping the enemy by helping yourself. I don’t consider the Rays to be the enemy by the way. So all I can hope for is that we sweep the Rays and that the Jays sweep the rest of their games this weekend.
Snipers could watch the game instead… there’s something to root for today…
GO MOOSE!
Now I drop out of here to focus on baseball
Mussina is looking to have his first 20 win season, so that’s also something to follow…Go Moose!
Kevin
Moose was quite the K machine this inning.
Duncan and Broussard had the two hard hit balls. Everything else, including Castro’s double, were weak. He had 2-3 infield hits against him alone.
We won’t mention that he struck out 9 in only six innings.
moses malone
I read your post, I’ve watched most games this year and for as bad as A-Rod has been with RBIs with RISP, no one else has been any better.
“Wish we had Theo/Lucchino as our GM.”
i can’t stand those guys.
they’ve mostly won by default.
how about getting a really good front office and annihilating them.
i like that idea better.
chazzh,
Thats what I’m saying. Cashman hasn’t really made an impact deal that I can remember (the Abreu and Lidle deal for prospects being the exception).
All he’s done is give out overinflated contracts to resign our own players.
WTG Derek. Let’s go Bobby.
Brandon, just curious…what’s your take on Chris Basak? remember that rocket he hitted last year at McCovey field but Bonds (i think it was him) robbed him of a hit.
Jeter Hit countdown at 8 to tie.
” I don’t believe he was the best you can get for a Jose Tabata.That was a horrible value deal.”
2006 Is a long time ago.
The point about Price was not to knock him, but to show how other teams’ prospects are always viewed as better than our own. Is Price now perfect too? Is there nothing he can improve on or is he already a HOFer? Point is, Phil Hughes was hyped for a long time …….and like Price, deservedly so. However, fans here and elsewhere are ripping him apart. He’s a #3, he couldn’t be Joba’s towelboy, he’s a bust, he has no FB or secondary pitches……. you get the drift. There’s no point in trying to convince those who have already dug their toes in about Phil; they expected a HOF performance from a 21/22 year old and what they got was what 99% of the pitchers in baseball history (even some of the greatest) gave us early in their careers: mixed results, some very good and some very bad. If these folks believe that every scout was wrong about Phil or that he has that mysterious disappearing talent disease, then so be it. If they don’t want to give Phil a chance, then so be it, but they are utterly foolish.
haha. Gardner would’ve made it.
btw. Burnett hit Varitek to lead off the third. Just saying.
2-0 Jays
“Thats what I’m saying. Cashman hasn’t really made an impact deal that I can remember (the Abreu and Lidle deal for prospects being the exception).”
The link below is for Brian Cashman’s complete trade history.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ashman.xls
“Burnett hit Varitek to lead off the third.”
Some people will think that’s a subliminal message that he wants to be a Yankee.
getting Dave Justice was a huge impact deal. they wouldn’t have been in the playoffs, much less win a series, without him.
pat,
lol. secret handshake.
oh look, another former Yankee prospect catcher.
Sucks to be Paul Byrd 5-0 Jays
george: I miss David Jusice. We haven’t heard much from Justice since the Mitchell Report. I wonder if that had any adverse affect on him.
Moose ties Cy Young for Ks. The legend’s records are dropping left and right in the Stadium this season.
The Rays are so lucky. There whole lineup is filled with bum players.
Come on Yanks, please lose these 3 games !!!!!!!!!
Sox already down 5-0.
Lucky bums.
yESSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Justice, Clemens, Knoblauch, Randy Johnson, Abreu, A-Rod, Vazquez, Brown, Weaver…
In 10 years? I think we could have done a little better
Go Rays! Stick it to Boston!
If they really were playing this game underwater, like Michael Kay said, this would be a lot more exciting to watch.
i saw Baldelli’s name on the free agent list. if he can play CF, that one’s a no-brainer despite the injury history. 27, fast, proven hitter.
this game feels more like a funeral
Wang and Posada in the dugout today to remind us of the season that might have been?
Hernandez was never a prospect of anything worth while
Brandon, just curious…what’s your take on Chris Basak? remember that rocket he hitted last year at McCovey field but Bonds (i think it was him) robbed him of a hit.
File his name under the Miguel Cairo/Nick Green category, he’s alright can serve a bit on the bench.
2006 Is a long time ago.
Nady is not enough for a prospect like him. He is a centerpiece guy that could have landed more when his value raises to give up on him at 19 yrs. old is plainly idotic, it reeks of old moves by this organization, dumb trades and Phil Coke almost went in that deal imagine when Nady returns to that under .280 batting w/ his long swing in the AL and Yankees let him be a FA because he will require top money how ugly that deal looks.
Mussina’s thrown 48 pitches through 2. Jeez.
Signing El Duque was one of the historically great Yankee acquisitions.
Cashman’s got a nice record overall. biggest mistakes IMO were trading for Weaver and not resigning Pettitte after 2003. but most GMs have mistakes; certainly in looking at the spreadsheet, there wasn’t an obviously moronic move such as trading Kazmir for Zambrano.
i cringe at the thought of tabata becoming a success because this blog would be unbearbable
pat,
It was nice to see the old battery, huh?
Doesn’t Posada look slimmer?
Brandon,
Jeez. Stop saying we only got Nady for Tabata. Marte’s the one we wanted. Nady fattened the Pirates offer.
Roy Halladay’s very second game in the majors in 1998 he had a no-hitter going into the 9th inning. In 2000 his record 4-7 after 19 starts, his era at 10.64 he was sent sent back down, and eventually all the way down to “A” ball to find himself, and to try to regain control of his pitches.
In 2002 he was 19-7, the following season 2003, 22-7 and he won the Cy Young. Now he’s the best pitcher in baseball.
Halladay could never have made in it NY, the fans and the media would have called him a fraud, demanded he be traded for a pennant drive fix like Gagne.
I couldn’t blame Kennedy if he was looking for a trade to another club with less pressure, based on what is written here.
true true
haha, Baldellit trying to impress Yankee brass, “See? I can swing at the first pitch, too!”
File his name under the Miguel Cairo/Nick Green category, he’s alright can serve a bit on the bench.
its funny how he almost made the team last season but Torre wanted just only veterns.
if u can make it here u can make it anywhere
mel
He does look slimmer. Eating at irregular hours and in restaurants on the road definitely has to be tough on maintaining weight.
Ed, Nick Green has been around for years. He’s a career minor leaguer with just about every team in baseball.
Too bad Arod is suffering from a stiff body part today. The game, as well as the rest of the season, should be pressureless as we are comfortably situated in 4th place ( I don’t think we need fear the Orioles). Thus, Arod is missing the opportunity to belt a few out of the park and pursue the AL homerun lead (since Carlos Q is done for the season) as our good mentor, PeteAbe has duly noted.
though year for cano…sigh
RalphieD,
This blog would become unbearable? Could it get any worse?
Between the A-Rod is a bum crowd, the get rid of Brian Cashman crowd, the Jeter is a not a REAL captain crowd, and the other assorted lunacy there is a lot of muck to sift through most days.
When people start bitching about the Yankees trading a 19 year old who hasn’t shown anything at all and getting back 2 MAJOR LEAGUE players you know something is wrong.
I know Shields is good, but wow is this offense horrible. Moose lost this game in the 2nd inning.
good grief
sadly – if this were the 2007 offense, moose’d probably have 22 wins this year.
GB7, I meant Chris Basak almost made the team last season. Nick Green was with the Pirates and Mariners triple A farm all of last season.
george, Rocco Baldelli’s injury history is quite sad. Last offseason he was diagnosed with a Mitochondrial disease which causes his muscles to experience extreme fatigue after even brief workouts. Because of this he may never be an everyday player ever again. I’ll keep rooting for him though….
Somebody needs to start clanging a cowbell in the Yankee dugout to wake this group up. It seems to work when they play in Tampa.
Baldelli doesn’t even want to retire when he once found out about it.
its funny how he almost made the team last season but Torre wanted just only veterns.
Torre nixed some deals the notrious one was when the Yankees wanted Milton Bradley he didn’t want it because he was loyal to his vets and a few problems it would possibly cost w/ team chemistry.
Mel IDK any other way to say it, Jose Tabata was 19 in AA and had a huge upside, they did what they always do, give up on young prospects and deal them off for quick fixes. Nothing against Nady but he is not going to be a .330 hitter as he was depicted and his clutch factor will drop because the AL already knows he has a long swing, Marte has 1 more yr. and that’s it. Think about that for a bit.
“This blog would become unbearable? Could it get any worse?”
raymagnetic-
don’t you know when to give it up?
you couldn’t have been more wrong about cashman and his plan.
have the good sense to shut the hell up.
would possibly cause* w/ team chemistry.
let’s work on getting another hit now.
Then maybe..a run.
How is that not an error
basak is another career minor leaguer…30 years old and failed in the Mets system. Hardly worth noting.
Brandon
They traded Tabata to Pittsburgh. They’ll let them finish developing him and the Yankees will trade back for him in a few years just like they did with Marte.
oh boy.
Another homerun for Manny Bay.
Jeter Hit countdown is now 7 for the tie.
How is that not an error
just be glad is a hit.
Torre nixed some deals the notrious one was when the Yankees wanted Milton Bradley he didn’t want it because he was loyal to his vets and a few problems it would possibly cause w/ team chemistry.
Bradley was DFA’d by the A’s last season right?
Brandon,
No offense, but you don’t have to say it any other way. You’ve said it all.
As soon as Tabata’s an all-star, I’ll find you on one of the forums, okay? The you can say you told me so.
this team needs to hit-run against ground-ball pitchers like Shields.
really, just to try something different. the lack of that type of aggressiveness has been driving me nuts.
At least Jeter hasn’t totally given up on this team.
I’m actually kind of upset that the offense isn’t stepping it up for moose. I understand they’ve all pretty much given up on the season, but come on. This is one of the best years of his later career!
this team sucks
2008 Yankees
“raymagnetic-
don’t you know when to give it up?
you couldn’t have been more wrong about cashman and his plan.
have the good sense to shut the hell up.”
Randy,
Please come to the Bronx and make me shut the hell up. I haven’t met the man yet who can make me shut the hell up. Telling me to shut the hell up is totally uncalled for by the way. If we were face to face there is NO WAY you’d be telling me to shut up.
It’s baseball, it isn’t life, at least not my life. I believe Cashman has a LONG TERM plan. Just because the Yankees won’t make the playoffs this year doesn’t mean his overall plan is as failure.
Was the Red Sox plan a failure when they didn’t make the playoffs in 06? Cashman started to overhaul the team in 06 and obviously the overhaul is not yet complete.
Well can’t complain about hitting in RISP today since no runners in RISP.
Poor Moose.
Bradley was DFA’d by the A’s last season right?
Either them or LAD
Either them or LAD
the A’s did DFA him, 8 days later the padres claimed him.
yuck.
another great throw by Giambi. too bad he’s been too selfish to adapt to DHing.
pat, why would anyone want to be with a fourth place team?
Well looks like the team has given up on not only the season, but Moose too. If I were him, I’d be very mad and go into the dug out and start yelling. This team looks asleep, so he should wake them up.
jo jo
Are you referring to Tabata? Aside from what I said being sarcastic….4th is still better than last and in a trade it’s not like he would have much of a choice.
Girardi looks like he wants to beat someone w/ a stick out there.
This is ridiculous, This guys don’t even wanna play anymore. Just promote minor leaguers and let them play. If we want to suck, let’s at least suck with players who are giving their best.
let Miranda play 1st.
Ruh Roh
When someone on the field makes a mistake moose can never pitch out of it
why pitch Ponson? why play GiamBi?
And to imagine there were people here who were saying they could have a miracle run. I’ll be surprised if they go .500 in those last games of the season.
Girardi should go to school on what he’s seeing the Rays doing, manufacturing runs.
A Giambi throwing error and hitting to the opposite field brings a run across.
Taking advantage of another team’s mistakes is something the Yankees have done little of.
pat,
jojo might’ve meant Burnett.
Everyone has a chance in the spring.
I wonder if AJ got a special tour of the new stadium.
I am so sick and tired of Giambi! He can take his phony 30 homeruns and shove them. He can’t even execute a pick off properly!
mark agreed. Bring him up put Jason on the bench. Lets see what the kid can do.
And Joe should just leave Mike out there. Let him try to get the win. Who really cares anymore about the team. They don’t seem to care.
And to think all of this started with a botched pick-off.
I just got in. What’s with the weird NY on the hats?
Nady strolling in LF. He’s really a Yankee.
Look at it this way at least we are not helping the suxs
Does anyone have Moose stats against good offenses this year?
mel
Oh Burnett. My memory isn’t good enough to remember that far back in the comments.
“I wonder if AJ got a special tour of the new stadium.”
He probably just watched the A-Rod Yankeeography on YES and saw the new Stadium tour on that.
It’s the flag, probably from 9/11 game.
Really DisGraceful
Hopefully by Tuesday when Scranton plays their last game the Yanks call up more players, and let them play. Girardi can stop his little fantasy of having a shot when the team has quit. Let Miranda Hughes and Kennedy play. Bring up Humberto Sanchez and pitch him out of the pen. Bring up Shelley for some laughs. Guys like Carl Pavano and Sidney Ponson should not be starting anymore.
*sigh*
Like Torre was, Girardi is loyal to a fault with veteran players. Giambi is a classic example. He won’t be back next year so why keep sticking him in the lineup in the No. 5 hole ? What’s the sense to it ?
“I just got in. What’s with the weird NY on the hats?”
9/11 tribute hats because they didn’t play on the 11th.
I’m sorry but a close person of the opposite sex just did something infront of me w/ a….. lets call it an interesting outfit anyway good day people I might be back later or might not just know there will be gratitude from my part. Go Yankees !
why is matsui still here tell him to get surgery… let giambi DH
The Michael Kay “glass jaw” story is coming.
Doreen,
Another team was using them on 9/11. Maybe related to that.
Terry #1,
Actually, it started with a single.
4 hits + botched pick off (just throw to second, Jose!)= 3 runs.
wow bloops all over the field this is nice
CLueless Joe your team has quit on u
Thanks, pat and jennifer.
Now unfortunately I’m caught up. Very quiet at the Stadium. I had to laugh a little when Kay was bemoaning the “Jason Giambi conundrum.” Hopefully it’s somebody else’s conundrum next season.
Whoa – up and down. Why bother showing up?
The least they could do was pour it on for Moose. I’m disgusted.
Brandon
TMI
Let Moose go another inning to see if the offense can wake up– Moose only has a few starts left…..
“Between the A-Rod is a bum crowd, the get rid of Brian Cashman crowd, the Jeter is a not a REAL captain crowd, and the other assorted lunacy there is a lot of muck to sift through most days.”
raymagnetic-
who do you think you are ,accusing others of lunacy and other equally snide remarks?
you couldn’t have been more wrong about the yankees this year.
you were wrong dude. suck it up and move on.
nothing is worse on the blog than a know it all who’s been as consistently wrong as you have been all year who tries to bash other people.
as i said, show the good sense to know when to shut the hell up.
These players belong to losing team
Really, this team quit on itself. With a very few exceptions, that is.
come home to see it’s 5-0 Rays. Nice to see the Yanks still showing some heart. Nice way to start the final homestand. No way Moose gets 20 this year. Now they should just let the kids play and see what they have. No sense keeping these overpaid slugs kill the final homestand at Yankee Stadium. THIS IS PAINFUL !!
that was the end of that… probably wouldn’t have made a difference anyway….
Another non-play in the field.
Yankees make 7 era pitchers look great and .150 hitter look like mvps
This is just disgusting and at the same time I can’t stop watching them.
*sigh*
So, how badly will USC beat up on Ohio State tonight?
Do not resign any1 including CashMan
let the rookies play
“Does anyone have Moose stats against good offenses this year?”
What’s your point? Tampa Bay is not a good offense.
randy l
September 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
“Between the A-Rod is a bum crowd, the get rid of Brian Cashman crowd, the Jeter is a not a REAL captain crowd, and the other assorted lunacy there is a lot of muck to sift through most days.â€
raymagnetic-
who do you think you are ,accusing others of lunacy and other equally snide remarks?
you couldn’t have been more wrong about the yankees this year.
you were wrong dude. suck it up and move on.
nothing is worse on the blog than a know it all who’s been as consistently wrong as you have been all year who tries to bash other people.
as i said, show the good sense to know when to shut the hell up.
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Good God, how can you accuse others of being “a know-it-all” with a clear conscience and a straight face? You may need to take your own advice.
Just mail in the rest of the season. These softees continue to demonstrate their true makeup. If Girardi still can tell us they are “playing Hard”, then his tenure should be re-evaluated. Thus far, he sounds like a Snake Oil salesman at a carnival, or a lifelong resident of a mental institution who can’t discern fantasy from reality.
Bring Stick in to thoroughly assess the organization and make the necessary moves. Otherwise, the Mets will eat our lunch in the battle of the new venues. Actually, it doesn’t take a genius to assess the merits of the current roster and make the necessary moves. The skill is in determining the identity of the replacements; in this respect, among others, Cashman has failed miserably. Given that “money is no object”, part of the battle is won.
Is Jason done for the year now?
WOW WHAT A BUM.
Booooooo
i will not oppose in signing Manny. bat him behind arod
its win win
MANNY MANNY@!!!!!! HE will take us to the promise LAND
Guys,
I know this isn’t pretty, and it’s not how any of us expected the Yankees to miss the playoffs for the first time. But we really shouldn’t snipe at each other.
(For instance, I thought that they would just miss. Never in a zillion years did I expect this Yankee team to just accept defeat. Never.)
Seems like the boys of summer have called it in again today. I’m with those who want to bring up the youngsters–once their seasons are over and they have that pride in winning, what better time to evaluate their potential? Who cares if they get pounded, can’t hit a lick, or muff a few balls? I expect their effort would be far more entertaining than what we have today. C’mon Brian, at least give us something for our money and faith!
what a game…what do u say? bad luck over the bronx all year folks.
i dont’ think the team’s quit. it’s poor defense has been exposed.
Giambi can’t play 1st.
Abreu – who’s hustle is proven – just doesn’t have any range. he tried to catch that ball, just couldn’t do it. that one seemed to be up in the air a long time, i think a good RF would not have had to dive.
Get these guys off the field. Their minds are clearly not in the game. Clear the benches. And don’t play them in the nightcap. This is brutal.
Jose taking offense.
it is brutal no doubt about that…better days are coming.
All of those clamoring for another season for Mussina keep this in mind. In his last 5 starts he’s gone 30 innings, allowed 44 hits and has a 5.70 ERA. I think his magic act has run its course and it would be a big mistake to bring him back at age 40.
Pettite I’m less convinced about, but it sure can’t be at $ 16 M. Maybe half that with some incentives?
Most of the people here aren’t “sniping”.
They’re “gloating”.
In other words, they’re not Yankee fans; just trolls from other teams who enjoy seeing the Yankees flail.
Anyway, Go Yankees.
Doreen
September 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Guys,
I know this isn’t pretty, and it’s not how any of us expected the Yankees to miss the playoffs for the first time. But we really shouldn’t snipe at each other.
(For instance, I thought that they would just miss. Never in a zillion years did I expect this Yankee team to just accept defeat. Never.)
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I guess that I’ll be the first one to blame Rodriguez for this game. Wussing out on this game. Where in the Wide World Of Sports is Lou Gehrig when you need him?
Jeter hit countdown is at 6 for the tie.
Next year is it too much to ask that we get a real first baseman? I want Teixeira, but if not him, the Yanks need someone who can adequately play the position. No Posada, Damon or Matsui.
Hopefully Hughes is put into the rotation for the rest of the year so it’ll help build his innings up.
stupid play by Molina. WTF. he has a rare appearance on 1b – he should’ve thanked Shields.
ive always had a lot of respect for jeter but it has gone through the roof today…on a day when the team looks so dead…jeter is doing his thing and you can tell reaching gehrig means a lot to him no matter what he says…
This is worse than the 80′s. This team has talent, those teams didn’t. They just gave up and so have I. Could have gone to both these games but decided to stay home and do housework. Imagine that!
Terry #!
GB7, randy l and raymagnetic are all regulars here. I sensed a bit of tension among them. They’re certainly not trolling or gloating. I think that we are all a bit incredulous over the way this game is being played, in this last homestand for the Stadium, on top of a disappointing season.
haHA THAT IS THE YANKEES LUCK THIS YEAR
Damn: ball went over the wall.
Perez was really playing shallow.
Jeter is the only one with any heart
Sick of these vets, none of which have won anything
Jeter having a nice day.
That’s the only positive I can get from this game
Sorry, but, that hit to Abreu was Damon’s play…even Cano was closer to that play than Abreu was.
those mid-1980s teams had talent. 1985 especially. poor pitching though.
RalphieD
Some here call what Jeter is doing stat padding when others do it.
I suppose the bloom is off the Dan Giese rose
bring back Rasner
green beret 7
the difference is that i don’t go after people that really can’t defend themselves.
one thing i’ve noticed recently is that there are more than quite a few people i haven’t heard before speaking up and giving an opposing opinion about cashman’s qualifications to be the yankee gm.
in my opinion, the low point on the blog is not now when people are questioning cashman. the low point was in the spring when raymagnetic’s point of view dominated the blog.
as far as me being a know it all, it’s hard to be humble when you’re usually right.
( that was meant to be a joke)
but take it how you want to.
Randy,
As I said previously, if you want me to shut the hell up please come to the Bronx and make me shut the hell up.
What exactly is there for me to suck up? The Yankees won’t make the playoffs, so what?
Nobody planned on the Yankees offense being so bad this year. The pitching was much better this year than last bottom line. Not even you predicted that the Yankees would have trouble scoring runs this year.
Anyway, stop playing internet tough guy and telling people to shut up. You wouldn’t have that attitude if you weren’t hiding behind your computer.
Jeter finally at .300
every play is beating this team down. Can you see it?
let’s see a brawl
Man -
Even when they hit the ball hard, they get nothing to show for it. It’s been that way all year.
Do you think Damon would have beat out that DP grounder even if Molina hadn’t interfered?
i say yes he would have
Toronto beat Boston 8-1. What time did that game start that they are done already?
The 1985 and 1986 Yankees were very good teams with thin pitching. Solid 90 win teams that could have made a playoff run if the wildcard was there at the time. the slide really started after 1988, under Dallas Green in 1989.
Doreen- you’re so right–it’s just been so frustrating and such a disappointment. i’m sure most of us who watch every game are just hoping for the team to go out with some dignity and fire in the last homestand.
This team just doesn’t know how to react. Fatcessa had a good line— “they want to be angry at somebody”. And that is true… they are frustrated and want to take it our on somebody. They know they are not going to the postseason and they don’t know how to respond to it.
You cant spell QUIT without a YANK….
Does not reflect well on how the team feels about their manager.
Pat-they started at noon
pat – 12:35
they are playing a doubleheader too later today, a makeup from a few weeks ago.
“As I said previously, if you want me to shut the hell up please come to the Bronx and make me shut the hell up.”
Did you just challenge someone to a fight over the internet?
People are really getting each others panties in a bunch today.
“in my opinion, the low point on the blog is not now when people are questioning cashman. the low point was in the spring when raymagnetic’s point of view dominated the blog.”
Randy,
People are allowed to have differing opinions. It’s a low point because people agreed with Cashman and letting 2 young pitchers be in the rotation? Only one of whom was a rookie?
No, the low point is when internet tough guys like you start telling people to shut the hell up.
Call my opinion crazy all you want. When you start telling me to shut the hell up that’s what I have a problem with.
You sound like a child gloating that nah nah nah nah nah I was right and you were wrong about this season. Get over yourself dude.
Randy, other than your own opinion, what gives you the right to decide what others should think about Cashman’s qualifications? Zero. You’re ok with people expressing their opinions as long as they agree with you. Personally, I think you’re full of it and much to full of yourself. Just my opinion, though.
After players and fans have finished watching Jeter chase the ghost of Gherig, we are going to the beach to watch his royal majesty write his name in the sand. Too many endorsements, women, and other non-baseball distractions. He’s mailed it in most of the season–now wants center stage for the last few days at YS!!? Please Cashman, trade this guy first–send a message to everyone in the organization that the malaise that permeates this team will not be tolerated any longer.
That’s what I needed to see.
I’m concentrating on football now like most NYY fans.
I don’t care if the Yankees win; I just want to see a good game this Saturday afternoon (especially being bed-ridden and unable to make my gym appointment).
Girardi gets 1\2 of next season, tops.
Bad enough they quit on him this season, no way we can allow this to happen next year. He gets the Willie treatment, must get off to a fast start or will be gone by June.
Get a manager who players play for like Tony Pena.
Travis Snider with 5 RBI for Toronto. Who is Travis Snyder?
Just got in…. how has the atmosphere been today? lots of booing or what?
im absolutely disgusted by this team. they should be embarrassed by the way they are playing and have quit.. they should all return their paychecks.
I have no idea how you even fix this team. I think nady should stay.. i can see him being that paul oneil type player.. not flashy but does his business. abreu has actually had a good year and is the only guy that has hit in the clutch.. get rid of giambi and the dead weight.
i cant even say i would be against this lineup next year
Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Arod 3B
Texiera 1b (or a top 1b)
Posada C
Matsui DH
Nady LF
Cano 2b
I wonder if you could package Cano, Hughes, Kennedy and somone else for Pujols (I know it would be crazy.. but stranger things have happened)
This season is about 2 things.. Poor Clutch hitting and Injuries to the pitchers..
Imagine if any combination of Wang, Joba, Hughes being healthy and Ian K actually being average.. that would have maybe +10-15 wins this.. that would have a good season. thats all you needed this year.. an extra 10 wins.. jeez!!
tom–
it’s been so dispiriting they have even barely bothered to boo—it’s been that bad
Second Base Yankee Stadium
That such a load of garbage that you just wrote. Jeter never has distractions during the season and he is entitled to a life in the off-season. At least he has remained focused. Fo all the talk of how is Jeter going to handle not going to the post-season, he seems to me to be handling this just fine. He has been hitting. He has been engaged in every game. One person, or two, can’t make it happen.
“I wonder if you could package Cano, Hughes, Kennedy and somone else for Pujols ”
HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAH! Good one!
“I wonder if you could package Cano, Hughes, Kennedy and somone else for Pujols ”
HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAH! Good one!
what the hell are people talking about. They’re not playing for him?? The fact is they’re just not that good.
Why isn’t O’Neill doing the game with Kay tonight?
hughes was never on joba or price’s level
he was 2nd tier like pelfrey, kevin slowley, jonathan sanchez, masterson, john danks etc.
I think we definitely need some new players next year, I’m sick of the way this line up looks. Damon, Jeter, Abreu….that top 3 needs to get reworked.
To quote Ian Kennedy, “I’m not too upset” about this loss.
Let Tampa gain another game on Boston.
don’t feed into it guys. enjoy the game for what it is. cant win em all and we can be the best and we wont always look good. Anyone who whats to “gloat” or whatever is only showing there lack of character. Maybe next year. Gota admit this is bad lol
There used to be many years like this, year after year. You younger bloggers have no doubt heard or read about the “CBS Yankees.” Well, this is what they played like, only with fewer brand name players. The Yankees of the 80s? Also like this. The only good news was that there was never a problem getting a ticket to the game – not that you wanted to go to a game.
At least Jeter came to play.
The GiDP Machine got 3 hits, and the Rays gain a game on the Sox.
Overall, a great, great day.
Aside from Posada, Arod, and Jeter…. EVERYONE else should be shopped. I want no more than 4 guys from this year’s tea next year, 5 at the most.
New faces, new personalities, guys who have won elsewhere, clutch players, leaders, good clubhouse guys, top notch defenders, speed, high average hitters, grinders.
Use those adjectives and go find players who fit them and re-shape the lineup. You can sign Sabathia, Burnett, Sheets AND Perez and this team will still be the washed up lifeless team we are seeing out there this afternoon.
“Some here call what Jeter is doing stat padding when others do it”
and that is very sad because that implies your supposed to do nothing unless it matters which makes absolutely no sense
This team is pathetic. I’d rather see the kids playing and trying that these over paid stars.
Patrick Max, that maybe your opinion about Phil, but it sure wasn’t the opinion of the scouts and others who ranked him as the #1 pitching prospect in baseball. You must be getting your information from a parallel universe to be lumping Phil in with Pelfrey, Slowey, Masterson, etc……..
This is just the kind of thinking that’s making me realize that Phil is going to have be extraordinarily tough-minded in order to make it in NY. People are now making things up to justify in their minds why Phil is a bust. I’m saying right now that this kid is going to be booed out of Yankee Stadium if he struggles…….and it will happen next year, too.
“This blog would become unbearable? Could it get any worse?
Between the A-Rod is a bum crowd, the get rid of Brian Cashman crowd, the Jeter is a not a REAL captain crowd, and the other assorted lunacy there is a lot of muck to sift through most days.
When people start bitching about the Yankees trading a 19 year old who hasn’t shown anything at all and getting back 2 MAJOR LEAGUE players you know something is wrong.”
raymagnetic-
the above is what i was reacting to.
you want to reread that and amend anything?
“assorted lunacy” is the specific term i take offense to.
i think it’s uncalled for and disrespectful to people who simply have a different opinion than you.
my point is that you’ve been so wrong this year you should know when to quit beating a dead horse. no one is going to be listening to anyone saying how wonderful cashman is right now.
on another note,you’d be surprised what i’d say in person.
I haven’t watched the game (haven’t been home), but it sounds like to me the SWB team should replace the big club when Phil pitches. Phil is getting used to having decent play behind him and he’s going to be in for quite the shock when when he finds a team of zombies have replaced the NYYankees. In fact, the SWB team should take over from the big club no matter who is pitching – I think they’d do a better job.
“Travis Snider with 5 RBI for Toronto. Who is Travis Snyder?”
He is the hot rookie for TOR. They think that he’s going to be a mega star in the future.
murphy
I used to go to lots of games in the 80′s and it was still fun to go to the stadium even when they were bad. It helped grow a love for baseball and the team that I will always have. I don’t wish a drought like that on the team again but it helped shape my fandom.
How many shots does Moose have at 20 left? 4 starts maybe?
So looks like Mussina won’t be getting those 20 wins for the season. Unbelievable. All the players have quit on Girardi. If he stays after this season this team is in deep trouble in 2009 no matter who they sign in the offseason.
Aside from Jeter, Arod, and Posada… EVERYBODY else should be on the block and shopped. We need to shakeup the offense, I want no more than 4 guys from this year’s team on next year’s… 5 tops.
new faces, new personalities, clutch hitters, team players, guys who have won elsewhere, leaders, good clubhouse guys, top notch defenders, speed, high average hitters, grinders.
Use theses adjectives and go find guys who fit them. Re-shape the team. We can sign CC, Burnett, Sheets, AND Perez but it won’t mean much. we will still see this washed up, lifeless team we are seeing today.
Thanks Laura
Sounds like today was a good start to his mega-stardom.
murphydog-
i actually spent an evening sitting besides michael burke at my high school baseball banquet while he was running the yankees. he was from our town.
little did i know i was sitting next to secret agent man. he was a funny and interesting guy from what i remember.
of course that was 1967, so a very bad time for the yankees.
pat,
It’s in Paulie’s contract. No more than 5 hours per day with Kay clause.
Gardner’s streak has been broken. He made contact on a 2 strike pitch. Is a .300 batting average far behind?
Mussina always gags when he comes close to a milestone. That has defined his whole career– bad luck.
Now 2 straight losses and 3 NDs in his previous 4 starts before that.
Can Jeter make it 4-4?
I had to do most of this game in the car and at one point Waldman went into a rant and I couldn’t help but totally agree with her. She was talking about players who talk about playing out the string and she was livid with that attitude. She said that Joe Di once said that he came out played hard every day because fans were paying to see him play and it could be that someone who had come to a game for the first time was up in the stands. And then she said “they are getting paid to play. They should come to play, never mind playing out the string!”
Absolutely correct.
3 starts to get 3 wins. I say Joe plays the kids when Mike plays, at least they’ll try hard.
randy l -
While some people have voiced their differing opinions in, shall we daresay “sane” ways, there are others that just spout utter nonsense. It’s really not the differing opinions that get to me, it’s the mean-spiritedness of some of the posts. Reasoned discussions here are great – I don’t always agree with you, but I feel like we’ve always been cordial – agree to disagree, so to speak, on some things. It’s the unreasonable “discussions” that make it unpleasant here at times.
I’ve found myself on several occasions typing a response to one of those bits of “lunacy” but I just delete and pass over them most of the time.
You have to admit, some posts strain the limits of common sense.
The difference between this year’s team and the bad teams from the 80′s is that this team has much, much more talent than those 80′s teams did. Even with Mattingly, Winfield and Henderson on the squad, today’s guys are capable of so much more. They have failed miserably.
I think Mussina has 3 more starts and he has to win all of them to get to 20 wins. Vs White Sox, vs Orioles & Vs RedSox.
“The GiDP Machine got 3 hits, and the Rays gain a game on the Sox.
Overall, a great, great day.”
That is the up part of my day for sure.
I would be tempted to think that the Yankees were mailing this one in as an attempt to screw BOS, but Moose was on the mound chasing 20 wins so there’s no way they would do that.
Bring up the children. Enough of this crap
To say these players quit on Girardi is ridiculous. They are adults. They have a job for which they are paid extremely well and one which many others would kill to have. They quit on themselves and that is shameful.
Hughes was never on the upper tier of prospects like Chamberlain, Price, Felix, Lincecum, Verlander etc.
And the pitcher he was 2 years ago in Trenton is not the same one he is today. Two years wiped out due to injury, new mechanics, glasses, cutter, less FB velocity, less GB tendencies, worse FB command, etc. He was a power pitcher in Trenton now he is revamped into more of a Mussina guy.
Not saying he still can’t be a good pitcher, but he is not the Treton Hughes.
I remember the year in the early 90s when the league went on strike. For the first time in forever the Yanks were in first place, and the strike happened. I was so mad.
jennifer
Girardi might play with Moose in relief a little to try and get him a win somewhere if he gets himself closer to 20.
And worse, as Trisha and Suzyn pointed out, they have quit on the fans, without whom none of them would be where they are, ultimately.
“I think Mussina has 3 more starts and he has to win all of them to get to 20 wins. Vs White Sox, vs Orioles & Vs RedSox.”
Not looking too good. He’s got a shot against the WS, but BAL and BOS give him fits. He may not make it.
“They quit on themselves and that is shameful.”
I agree Doreen.
green beret 7-
just curious. why do you use greenberet7 as a username?
if you don’t want to say, your business.
Randy,
In my opinion it is assorted lunacy to say A-Rod is a bum and Jeter is not a REAL captain.
However that is my opinion . What dead horse am I beating when it concerns Brian Cashman? I believe Cashman had a plan when he got full control over the team at the end of ’05 and he’s still working on his plan.
Who cares if you don’t want to hear anything positive about Cashman? Again that’s your opinion. Nobody here is telling you to shut the hell up with your opinion now are they?
You seriously need to get over yourself. Anybody who agrees with Randy is A-ok and anyone who doesn’t should shut the hell up? That is such a great attitude to have in life right there.
“To say these players quit on Girardi is ridiculous.”
I don’t think that the players have quit on Girardi, but I don’t think that all of them care for his management style. As we saw with the Mets and Willie Randolph, that sort of situation will affect your play whether you want it to or not.
so the really have given up huh
I have a feeling its Damon who is leaking all these anonymous quotes. You can tell he is so disgruntled that the Sox won a championship without him last year and now they are in the playoffs again while he is not. He still feels apart of that team. He was the one who went public with the Joba comments saying it was a bad idea to move him to the pen.
I mean who else could it be? Possibly Arod?
i always wanted to see a position player pitch.
Doreen
Clearly we disagree about the source of many of the current team’s problems. But my opinion is no more garbage than yours. If you cannot refrain from personal attacks, perhaps you might take a time out. I’ve been a Yankee fan much, much longer than all but a few posters here–this is one of the worst teams the Yankees have ever fielded. And your defending some of the worst offenders isn’t going to make it better–just prolonging the agony.
Gotta leave to be somewhere for 4. I’ll see you for tonight’s game. Poor people who went to the Stadium today and paid to see the Yankees, perhaps their last time going to the Stadium.
Pathetic.
Positives from the game -
Jeter has so much heart
Rasner looked good
Britton looked good
doreen-
if you notice i never go after anyone unless it’s someone who can take it. i think raymagnetic was out of line and told him so. simple as that.
i don’t like bullies in real life and i don’t like cyber bullies either.
you on the other hand are always a joy to talk with. whether we agree or not.
R-Tek, that is an excellent point about him being a different pitcher than he was in Trenton. The Yankees kind of ‘re-made’ him. I don’t know why, but they felt the need to.
Glad to see him get a start up here though
Doreen,
Just to interject a bit.
There’s lots of lunacy here.
But it shouldn’t get personal.
Even if you don’t agree with someone, you can still treat them with respect.
Randy, it’s really none of your business why I use that name, other than the same reason anybody uses a name. However, since you asked politely without a snide remark, I’ll answer it. Because I earned it for 36 years.
E-Rod
My first thought on who the annonymous Yankee who said some of the players have quit already was Moose. He still has something to play for and guys not playing hard hurts him. The person was also referred to as a “longtime veteran Yankee”. Not sure that would be how Damon or A-Rod would be classified.
i could use one of the cheese steaks from the stadium now.
Laura -
It’s not their job to like a manager’s style or not. Not everyone is going to like everything. Their job is to go out and play. Tough nuggies, you know? They are incredibly luck people in life.
tell you what raymagnetic.
we’ve both had our say.
let’s agree to disagree.
A RUN!!!
“It’s not their job to like a manager’s style or not. Not everyone is going to like everything. Their job is to go out and play. Tough nuggies, you know? They are incredibly luck people in life.”
Doreen, I wasn’t passing judgment on them or saying that what they are doing is right. Just explaining what I think might be going on with the team.
Hughes was also a little shaky in the first, but quickly settled down and blew through the Bulls’ lineup after that. Through five innings, Hughes gave up one run on four hits, with four walks and 12 strikeouts. His fastball sat 91-93 mph and his 73-76 mph curveball was untouchable, featuring tight rotation and depth. He did an excellent job locating his fastball low and to both corners, appearing at times to both cut and tail (two-seam) the pitch at similar velocities, and when he missed with his curve he missed low. Hughes broke out a mid-80s slider and a changeup later in the outing, but he appeared to only be doing the batters a favor by throwing them.”
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/
I really don’t care about the slider, but I’m sure Phil will work on his change in the AFL. If he can get that down somewhat, than he’ll be in good shape. I still think he should have a tutorial with Mo about the cutter………and I’m sure he will.
At least it’s no shutout.
Kay is so stupid. The Yankees are trying to avoid handing Moosina the loss. But they have to rally here in the bottom of the 9th.
Jeez, even Kay’s playing out the string.
I’ve been please with Paulie today though. Really putting things in perspective talking about what an accomplishment it’s been for the Yankees to win year after year.
Only 6 more like that.
God, I hope the Yankees and Abreu can agree on a 2-year deal.
Watching games like today, the players and Girardi should not be offended in the least when people ask if they have quit. Look at them out there, like zombies.
mel -
Absolutely
And on that note -
Second Base yankee Stadium =
I apologize for calling your opinion garbage. Sincerely. I do disagree with you, but I should have had restraint.
Whoa! A run.
Yes indeed!!! Bring Manny back to his roots, bat him behind Arod, and you will definitely see a difference. It will be deja vue all over again, as the Arod of 2007 will return. If Manny does 1/2 as much for us as he has done for the Dodgers both in the clubhouse and on the field, he will be well worth the money. Absolutely no distraction, check with St. Joe (aka Mr Torre) as Manny is making the year for him.
This will allow Stick to get rid of all the Softees not under contract (and perhaps dump some who are…bite the bullet, eat it and move on, as the upside from Stadium revenues, Ad money, Yes income, will more than make it up…in fact, the Dredlock revenue will defray quite a bit. Also, a pajama Yankee uniform bearing #99 or whatever number Manny will be wearing will generate big $$$)as it will become the fashion style of 2009.
It will happen. Manny will be in Pinstripes next year, batting behind Arod, spending sometime in LF, and some as the DH, with Nady moving to RF, and the wall phobic Mr Softee not to be seen again in pinstripes.
Abreu is the best outfielder we have.
I’d get rid of Damon and Matsui and keep Abreu
Laura -
Understood.
Second Base Yankee Stadium
You are right about this team. Simply disgraceful.
Giambi, as a case in point, is far too satisfied with his dismal performance.
The list is long and not many, except Mussina and perhaps Jeter (broken bone in hand)and Molina are worthy of wearing the uniform.
It’s like they just woke up or something..
no pinch run for Giambi? how come?
“Abreu is the best outfielder we have.
I’d get rid of Damon and Matsui and keep Abreu”
Well, that’s a stretch. Abreu has some fielding issues that I think can be fixed. If it were up to me, I’d keep all three guys. Damon to 1B, Abreu in RF and Matsui the permanent DH. Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s going to happen. They will probably let Abreu go.
I can’t wait until Phil becomes a stud and the same people who are saying he’s a bust, a #3, not the same and any other variations of the same thing will brag that they kept the faith.
As to the team, I have no clue as to whether they quit or not, but they are not playing with any pride. It’s shameful.
Hank and Stick have a great relationship… I would love for him to take over baseball operations.
Let him snatch some Josh Byrnes type assistant and groom him.
Cashman has run his course. Time to change.
was it trevor miller who came in when the rays had that 7-0 lead in tampa last week and then it was 7-5 or is that someone else
“Abreu is the best outfielder we have.”
Is that an indictment of the outfield or a compliment to Abreu? I’m not sure which.
burnett 6 shutout innings (1 unearned run) with 6 Ks against the sox
Oh, man! I had to work today so I wasn’t able to find out the details of game one until I came home. When I saw the 7-0 score in favor to the Rays, I was wondering if Rasner threw another one of his gems. But Moose?! Did he cool off suddenly near the end or is this just one of his flukes? How is he going to reach the 300 win plateau, let alone 20 now?
The Yankees were lucky enough in having a modicum of a winning record against the Rays. The Rays had manhandled Boston several times this season, but with that last series, it looks like they mean business.
so they wait until the bottom of the 9th, down by 7 to show fight.
pathetic, every single one of them except jeter.
I can’t wait for next year (I have CC and Sheets thoughts in my future!)…But in all seriousness my wife and I are going next Sunday and sadly its likely the last game ever at Yankee Stadium. Kinda funny how this year has gone and if things end the way they appear we may finish 4th! Yuck! It will be great though to kick the snot out of Baltimore for the final game! We got tickets in the upper tier for less than $200 which wasnt too bad (if anyone else is interested?) http://www.esellout.com/Result.....8;venid=68
At least Hughes got the call up after the AAA playoffs, it would be a nice way to salvage his season with a couple good appearances heading into the offseason either as a part of Yankees future lure OR in a potential trade! LET’S GO YANKEES!
-Armando
Bobby, ‘t is said, wants three years. Will Cashman’s replacement give him three? I don’t think Cashman would. I might. Abreu has been playing well, and he’s due for a bigger year.
Jeter’s going to catch Gehrig, which will be great for putting this stadium switch into perspective. The ghosts, though often dear, need not supersede the team today. Or, rather, next year.
some rally, huh? i almost thought the yanks were going to win.
lol
That said, we will still need a CF and a IB. Stick will get DeJesus from KC for IPK and Damon (back to where it all began for JD) with the Yankees eating some of his excessive salary.
The offer to Teixiera will be beyond the pale….so enticing that even Boros will be overwhelmed, and big Tex will bite…even given #23, his all-time favorite Yankee number previously worn by his favorite, Donnie Baseball.
Finally, CC will again change his first name, this time to “$$” as the number will be so mind-boggling, he will wave bye-bye to the notion of playing in his home state and batting in the NL. Stick, with the directive from Tampa will do all that is necessary to get this team back to its roots, the $$$cost notwithstanding. It will be done in classic “Yankee Style”.
why do people keep talking about a #3 starter as if its a bad thing? #3 starters are so valuable in this league… i’d be thrilled if hughes becomes one. not everybody can become joba/
lester is a #3 so are oliver perez… are they bad pitchers?
I think Stick would give Bobby 3 years… he is a Yankee player.
As another poster said, I’d move the other OFers and keep Abreu.
So, only Jeter showed up, huh? Abreu was 2-4 with a double and a homer. Did he just get credit for something that he didn’t deserve and I missed it, or what?
greenberet7-
it kind of feels unpatriotic arguing with someone about baseball, a game, with someone who’s put that kind of time in the military.
take whatever pot shots you want. i’m not going to get into it with you.
give bobby 2 years with an option for a 3rd year if he reaches certain incentives and if he is close to reaching those incentives, then cut him like the jays did frank thomas.
Abreu will probably get a 2 year and maybe a team option, but, not at 16 mil…most likely a 13 mil that Damon got.
But money won’t be an obstacle for any player Steinbrenner desires — even with the inherent, long-term risks for a veteran pitcher.
“The Mets did it with Santana, and I came damn close to doing it with Santana,†Steinbrenner said of the trade he advocated last winter with Minnesota. “You look at it on a player-to-player basis, and you look at the market.â€
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I love Hank
If in fact the players have quit on themselves, the fans, or lack pride, have they collectively done it together ?
If there is a deciding factor, what is it or who is it ?
I don’t see the Yankees letting Abreu go. The other Yankee players love him. Arod loves hitting behind him. He works the count, is a professional hitter posting excellent numbers, plays hard every game, has a great arm in the outfield and is aging very well. I see a 2 or 3 year deal (maybe two with an option on a third)
Randy, what I did for 36 years has nothing to do with this board, baseball or anything else. I’ve been a Yankee fan since I was 6 years old. I did this job for 36 years because I enjoyed it and I was good at it. I appreciate the thanks, but, that’s not my reasons for doing it. I never expected a thank you for doing my job. It’s no different than delivering the mail or washing cars for a living.
Yeah, I’m sure Hal loves that quote by Hank.
ND rubbing salt into the wound. Long bomb to go up 21-0.
I don’t think they have quit… I think they are just frustrated and don’t know how to react. They are not used to this. They know the season is over. You can tell they are all miserable and don’t even want to be on the field. This is uncharted territory for them… they probably think to themselves, “what’s the point?”.
I don’t think they intentionally quit, but guys realize its over, and its probably just rubbing off on everybody. From the GM to the manager to the players… frustration and anger.
In summary,
1) Manny, CC and Tex will be wearing Pinstripes at an cost that will cause MLB to raise the luxury tax on teams from NY that play in the Bronx
2)Damon, Abreu, Giambi, IPK and some assorted others will be gone, and oh yes, Brett Gardner will be returned to his Little League team. Melky will become a Bleacher Creature leading the opening welcome.
3) Moose and Andy will both return, the latter mainly due to sentimentality.
4) Jorge’s caught stealing percentage will hover around 10%, the younger pitchers, as well as of course, the veterans who already there, will insist upon Jose and their catcher of choice, other than CC (“$$”)who being the nice guy that he is will stick with Jorge. Jorge will be angry and deem it a conspiracy and will blame Girardi for yielding.
If Abreu and Giambi ae gone, that’s a loss of the #3 and #5 players in the lineup for a team that already struggled to score runs. The only way the Yanks can afford to let Abreuo imo is if they do sign Teixeira, who could replace Abreu in the 3 spot before A-Rod.
Bobby is great. But, please keep him off the field. I’m not even talking wall issues.
Sea Net,
I don’t they quit, but this really is new territory for a lot of these guys. Tough call.
Sabathia
Burnett
Wang
Pettitte
Chamberlain
Girardi postgame
We gave them extra outs and they capitalized…. We heard they were going to start extra righties…. Moose battled but the results weren’t there…. We didn’t swing the bats well… When you don’t score runs, people question the effort but they were still battling in the 9th so they haven’t given up…Jeter has swung the bat well all year. He went through a little funk when he got hit in the hand but Jeter won’t make that an excuse.
It’s really a pity that what’s happened to other sports boards, and, especially Yankee boards has happened to this one. Invaded by a bunch of prepubescent little jerks with no life and no hope of ever having one. (I’m referring to the whiners like Stuart Little and the trolls)
“Bobby is great. But, please keep him off the field. I’m not even talking wall issues.”
mel, I know what you mean, but as I said in my earlier post, I think that Abreu’s fielding issues can be addressed…even the wall one.
Did Grardi say that Moose, Danny, and Raz threw the ball well for us?
Does Hughes have contacts or Nate Robertson-type glasses that he wears on the mound?
AJ- He was wearing them last night for Scranton
some sort of glasses
Abreu’s defense is atrocious.
Although not discernible from any statistical compililation that I know of, he is responsble for more runs scored against than he drives in. If he were re-signed as a DH only, it might make some sense. He is a very sensitive guy and if he did not have to worry about crashing into walls, balls taking errant bounces off his face (and thus have to pull up at every ball hit in front of him), he would be an even better hitter, and probably put up close to career best numbers. If signed he must be told to check his glove at the door, and if ever seen with one, there would be an immediate suspension and loss of pay.
Sea Net -
You make a very fair point.
Aren’t we doing very much the same? This is uncomfortable territory even for us fans.
Moose postgame
We’re battling all the time….they used the opposite field on me today….a couple of guys got hits on good pitches….It was a tough day, Shields was very good and we had a tough time getting things going….No reaction to an all righty line-up except I know righties do better off me than lefties….It’s frustrating to gie any team extra outs but the Rays believe in themselves and have good pitching so they know they have a chance…. Shields was in control of the game all day….You need to pitch lights out when teams have trouble scoring….we’ve struggled most of the season but I know the guys are disappointed in what they have been able to do and how we have all struggled….It’s significant to end up on any list with Cy Young, I’m lucky I’ve been healthy and it just adds up in the end.
Laura, abreu stopped banging into walls in 1997 when he wrecked his left shoulder. That’s why Houston left him open in the expansion draft and why it only cost Philadelphia shortstop Kevin Stocker to get Abreu from Tampa. Nobody thought he’d ever be able to hit for much power after that.
Hank did not come **** close to doing the Santana deal; he can’t do anything without his brother. Now I understand why they aren’t that close. Sheesh, this guy is pathetic. The more he tries to make himself look like the boss, the more he makes himself look like an idiot (I had another word in mind)
Arial, show that stats that prove Abreu’s defense cost more runs than his offense provides. You have way too much gas in you to have your feet planted in reality.
Damon postgame
Shields carved me up my first at bat….His change-up is one of the better ones in the game….we showed signs of life in the 9th but it’s too late….we felt we had a good shot with Mooose out there and wanted to get him this game.
Mediocre pitching from starters and flimsy fielding are part of the story this season but the untimely hitting his extraordinary…so many guys very good to excellent batting averages yet inconsistency with men on base is amazing.
Sure Cano is having a disappointing season but he’s the #8 or #9 batter in the lineup. It ain’t all on him.
greenberet7-
you probably know the story of tiger wood’s father. if i had a choice between a round of golf when he was alive with earl woods or tiger, i’d pick tiger’s dad because of what he did in his life.
of course, a round with both would have been the ultimate .
except tiger might get ticked off to be outdriven by a 59 year old.
( had to throw that in so your impression of me would stay intact)
Laura, with respect, it is highly unlikely that Abreu’s defensive shortcomings can be addressed. He has been defensively deficient dating back to his early days, and he regresses each year. His wall phobia was exacerbated 3 years ago or so when he was within 10 feet or so of Aaron Rowand when he crashed into the centerfield fence and broke his nose and other parts with his face being a bloody pulp. Abreu was the first one to him and almost passed out. It’s been downhill ever since.A good hitter, yes, an adequate defensive outfielder, absolutely not.
quick somebody tell girardi that the season is over and the yanks are no longer trying. I for one am content with the situation = there is no feasible was they will make the playoffs so we might as well rack up the losses and try to get a better draft pick – we could pick up the next david price. Great post about hughes pete. The kid has stuff, command and poise. Joba and hughes along with wang can stabilize our rotation for yrs to come. I hope they arent putting joba back in the pen after he was lights out as a starter – that would be ridiculous.
sign CC! sign Burnett! sign Tex!
and then I woke up…
Bobby Abreu’s Zone Rating this year is .786.
This team needs change. Change in Washington, Change in NY.
Offer Abreu arbitration only-suspect his OBP to go down more next year. If he signs OK. 2010 FA class for outfielders is pretty good:Holliday, Bay, Ankiel, Crawford, Guerrero.
Trade Cano, sign a player to one year deal. 2010 FA Roberts, DeRosa, Polanco.
Let all FA’s go, including Mussina, who will probably need 3 years to get to 300 wins and is allowing a .322 BA to righthanders this year with a 5-5 record amongst teams in our division. Originally wanted to keep him, but today clinched it, very few 1-2-3 innings.
Do not pick up 6M option on Marte-too much for a situational lefty.
Sign 2 quality FA pitchers, to go along with Wang and Joba. If Joba starts in pen look at another possible FA like Brad Penny whose option might not be picked up because of injury to incentive laden contract. Unless the starting staff can rival that of the Rays, Angels, or Red Sox, it will be another long year.
Think about trading for Garrett Atkins who might be available, a converted 1st baseman. If Cano traded how about Andre Ethier, having a monster month, over Matt Kemp?
If successful in signing FA pitchers , field offers for our minor league pitching prospects for young, athletic position players.
Entertain offers for Damon, if you have a lead off hitter in place, and Matsui, who’s probably untradeable until he plays next season.
Would rather miss out on 2009, if it meant we’d have an energetic younger team in place. The worst team in the majors, based on talent are the Washington Nationals. The worst team in the majors, based on salary are the Yankees.
Randy, since I haven’t played golf in nearly forty years, playing golf with Tiger Woods wouldn’t do much for me. I quit taking lesson when I was at Ft. Hood, Texas when a pretty decent golf pro there (Orville Moody) told me to find another hobby’ because, neither the government nor I could afford the number of lost golf balls or broken windows.
Betsy– it was Bill Smith who nixed the Santana trade, not Hal.
Hughes was on the table for 48-72 hours. Only after they got greedy and wanted Kennedy also or wanted Horne/Jackson/Tabata as the 3rd player in the deal, was Hughes pulled off the table. Then Hank set a deadline and made his hwole “people ask more from the Yankees” rant and the thing invariably fell apart. A week later, Hal came out and said he nixed it for financial reasons. If Smith hadn’t gotten ready and if he accepted the Hughes/Melky/Marquez deal as soon as it was offered, Santana would be here. Smith’s greediness is what killed the trade. He tried to test Hank to see if he was George and would give up more, it failed.
This whole “Hank is a mouthpiece, his brother has the power” is highly dubious. Why would Hank come off the horse farm and become the owner, something he has rejected in the past, just to be a mouthpiece? What incentive is there for him? I have a feeling he will exert his power this off-season.
GreenBeret, here we go again with the pejorative comments. If you bothered to read what I wrote, I said it “is not discernible from any statistical compilation”.
You are entitled to your view but if you dane to challenge, make sure you understand what you are challenging. Perhaps in your earlier incarnation, you functioned solely in attack mode leaving formulation and reasoning to others who were better equipped.
Interesting, I have only read one comment by Pete Abe on this board in which he took a poster to task for pejorative commentary…imagine who that was. I am surprised your posting privileges have not been revoked given your consistent course of commentary.
If Cashman wants full autonomy, something even a model GM like Theo doesn’t have, then Cash can go take a hike. Let’s see how much fun he has in Washington with no farm system, low budget, and no chance to compete for years. Ditto Seattle.
Cash is trying to act tough, he will come to his senses soon and realize he needs us more than we need him. We have Stick ready to step in.
greenberet7
tiger’s dad was the first big 8 black baseball player, was recruited by the kansas city monarchs, was a green beret and a long time green beret instructor. tiger became tiger very much because of earl wood’s life experience and knowledge being passed on to tiger.
if you haven’t read about it, it’s a good story and it has baseball at it’s roots.
So Hughes will start Wednesday vs. Chicago, Monday at Toronto, and Saturday in Fenway…. all 3 teams well over .500 competing for the postseason.
Atleast his final 2 starts are on the road so fortunately for him, he won’t get booed lol
There can be no question that once Joe Girardi sees what he’s given for a 2009 roster, his managerial style and situational managing will need changes.
For better than 75% of the season the team took the field flat and never really rebounded in games. Fans were led to believe that this year’s team would play aggressive, inspired baseball and seldom ever saw it.
Too many games the team waited for things to happen opposed to making them happen .
Too many pitchers threw quality starts with little run support.
A fish rots from the head down. Let’s see what develops before next April.
Wait a minute. somebody just said that Guerrero was a good outfielder? You’d better take a look again, Trader. His defensive numbers stink and have for years. His numbers over his career are nearlyidentical to Abreu’s, INCLUDING everyone’s favorite…zone ratings. The biggest difference is errors. Guerrero has twice as many errors.
Randy, I could really not care about Tiger Wood’s life. I also know what Earl Woods did. My coice of having a conversation with or dinner with would have been John Kennedy or Audie Murphey.
***My choice***
i expect greatness from phil when he comes up. i do not want to see any struggling. good pitchers like joba dominate right away. i will be ver disappointed if he gives up more than 3 runs in any start. no excuses, he is healthy, cutter is working, mechanics are fine, has glasses, weather is warm. no excuses. i want him to pitch like an ACE (not hard to be the ace of the staff now). i want to see strikeouts, lots of them. i want hughes to pitch like santana has for the mets. no more 5 inning, 4 run, 4 walk, 3 k performances that we saw early in the year.
i will give him a little wiggle room however, 3 runs or less in the remaining starts. i do not expect shutouts, i expect length, command, and tons of strikeouts!!!
as far as pejorative comments and blog banning goes what i’ve found is that people can go pretty far, but just don’t use the word “fat”.
matter of fact, i’m at risk in just using the word here.
Stick is ready to step in?
Guys, some of you aren’t dealing in realistic scenarios. Stick Michael is 70 years old. He’s not going to become the GM of the Yankees. He wants nothing to do with it. He’s semi-retired as it is, going on occasional scouting missions or evaluating players in the minors. He has often said the happiest day in his life was when he stopped being the GM.
Cashman needs a good assistant GM, not a group of meddlers in Tampa kissing Hank’s ass and whispering in his ear. Name me one other successful team in sports that is run by a group. You need one person in charge who can delegate authority when he needs to.
Cashman plan to change how this team is run was not going to take root in one year. The Yankees were a mess when he took over in October 2005 and it’s going to take some time to fix that.
I tried to tell you in April that they weren’t making the playoffs and things would get worse before they got better. This is what the Yankees are at the moment.
And – please – forget the idea of them signing every big free agent. It’s not happening. Hank and Hal are not going to spend money insanely like their father did. That has been proven already.
The days of throwing everything into one season are over. You know who the most important players in this organization are? Chamberlain, Hughes, Jackson, Melancon, Kennedy, McAllister, Coke, Romine, Montero, Suttle, Betances, etc.
Cashman is a sensible leader. You can’t throw up your hands one year in.
Pete,
Thanks for injecting some common sense.
But it’s still your fault they lost. It’s obvious you quit on the team. You didn’t even bother to show up today.
“i expect greatness from phil when he comes up. i do not want to see any struggling. good pitchers like joba dominate right away. i will be ver disappointed if he gives up more than 3 runs in any start. no excuses, he is healthy, cutter is working, mechanics are fine, has glasses, weather is warm. no excuses. i want him to pitch like an ACE (not hard to be the ace of the staff now). i want to see strikeouts, lots of them. i want hughes to pitch like santana has for the mets. no more 5 inning, 4 run, 4 walk, 3 k performances that we saw early in the year.
i will give him a little wiggle room however, 3 runs or less in the remaining starts. i do not expect shutouts, i expect length, command, and tons of strikeouts!!!”
funny guy
green beret 7-
audie murphy over the lone ranger.
i don’t know about that one.
If Phil gets a start Wednesday, it doesn’t guarantee him future starts. Wednesday could just be a spot start situation and then off to the Fall League he goes.
Actually the most important people in the organization are CC, Sheets, Manny, Tex, and Millar.
“Cashman is a sensible leader”
whoa nellie!
i too sounded the alarm bells in april ,but because of cashman’s ridiculous plan to go with hughes and kennedy and making no changes other than signing latroy hawkins.
cashman guided the ship into the iceberg. no way he gets a free ride while the ship sinks.
cashman will not hire the young talent the red sox do as assistant gms because he’s afraid of them being competition for him. name one josh byrnes type he’s hired.
cashman isn’t going to hire anyone who could replace his ass.
Randy, I met The Lone Ranger once, at a countyfair. As Tonto told Johnny Carson one night on tv, “No big deal.” There are others that, as a kid, I wanted to meet, and, a few, I did. Except for Bob Feller, most, including my hero, Mickey Mantle, were disappointments. Al Kaline was a much nicer person, even after I ragged him about not being half the ball player Mantle was. He just smiled, and had a couple of nice words for me…waved and ran out to center field….where he was playing, then.
If Torre didn’t forget how to manage in 03 and if Rivera was able to get outs in game 4-5 in 2004, then the Tampa fraction would have delivered us World Series wins.
Atleast we were always a dominant regular season team under Tampa/George and those teams competed in the playoffs. It has been all down hill from 05 on
Never said Guerrero was a great or even good outfielder-DH maybe!
The point was that the 2010 FA outfielder class is worth waiting for, that Abreu should only be offered arbitration, and not be given a 2-3 year contract.
2009 is most likely still a rebuilding year, and my main point, as a long time Yankee fan, is that I don’t want them trotting out the same “old” lackluster team.
randy -
100% right, Cashman will feel threatened if he has top assistant next to him. he thinks he bigger than he really is.
I watched “Bang the Drum Slowly” instead of the game this afternoon. In the movie only the catcher died, not the whole team.
Millar?
Yikes. With that, I am going out. Enjoy the game and thanks for reading and posting.
Pete
Yanks have plenty of DHs. No need to add another one. His numbers aren’t any better than Abreu’s this year.
green beret 7,
i was at the old yankee stadium when mantle hit a line drive that kaline ran in and dove for and made a shoestring catch for the last out of the game. i was extremely happy at the time he broke his collarbone doing it.
but kaline was a good one.
Just got home from the game. The players were lifeless and the fans were lifeless (yes me included but there was little to cheer for). You wouldn’t know there were 54,000plus fans there.
Most of the fan excitement or verbal frustration rather came from errors made by Giambi and Bobby’s crappy defense. Every time the Rays’ outfielders come on the field, it’s like you are watching a reel that’s been sped up compared to Yankee outfielders’ slow motion. I have always liked Bobby but after today, but I continue to wonder if he should come back next season. He just doesn’t look all that athletic out there let at RF alone the best right fielder money can buy. And if he’s coming back at DH he needs to get in line, don’t we already have half a lineup worth of DH?
ok. i was at the game today. i have never been more miserable at a game than i was today. it wasnt fun. you could tell from the get-go, that this homestand is going to be a joke.
and btw, the yankees are doing a horrible job of “commemorating” the final year of yankee stadium. some guy who won some metlife contest pulled the countdown lever today. i’ve been to 12 games this year, with two more to go. i think i’ve seen one former yankee pull the lever-and even that was only joe pepitone. Ron from Seacaucus or whatever his name was should feel honored to do what he did, but poor timing.
going to tommorrows game also. first time i’ve ever seen Pavan-ohno.
maybe fujifilms CEO can grace our presence and pull the lever.
Peter :
I find myself in much agreement with what you say but it wouldn’t hurt Cashman to have somebody other than Jean Afterman as an assistant GM. She handles contracts and non baseball matters for Brian.
He needs another baseball mind to help him with personnel decisions or a liason man between him and the field manager.
“Stick is ready to step in?”
i do agree with that part of pete’s opinion.
being a gm is a young man’s game now.
and i do mean younger than cashman.
why not just make hal the gm?
Yeah, Randy, I saw that game on TV on a Sunday afternoon in 1962, first game of a DH, but, it was Ellie Howard that hit it. It cost Kaline his only 30 homer season, and probably the batting title and MVP. Mantle was on the DL during that series with a torn hamstring.
If Hal has so much power, why doesn’t he forbid Hank from making these senseless comments?
Hal seems to enjoy the dumb declarations from his brother and the distress it causes Cashman. If Hal really cared about his GM like so many believe he does, he would tell Hank to knock it off.
Wait. I thought Hank was the GM?
Randy, my error. It was a Saturday afternoon game. The DH was the next day. Just looked at the box scores and game wrap up.
I see Girardi is playing the kids tonight all at once.
Good move, but too late.
Make Felix Lopez the GM
Dee and Matt-
Cheer up. You could have spent $2,000 or more for decent seats on stubhub to see the last game played at Yankee Stadium against the Orioles!!
GB7-Agree- NO MORE DH’s!
These players just don’t play for Girardi, watching this season is like watching the 03 Giants season with Fassell.
I wouldn’t mind rebuilding again next year with this team
1B – Ransom
2B – Cano
3B – Arod
SS – Jeter
LF – Damon
CF – Melky/Jackson
RF – Gardner
DH – Matsui
C – Posada
SPs – Wang, Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Giese/Aceves/Horne
BP – Mo, Melancon, Coke, Veras, Robertson, Edwar, Strickland? Traber?
I don’t know whether the players play for Girardi or whether they don’t (I’m not thinking that they don’t) but I think that it has been shown that a manager can make a difference. Look at Willie (though he kicked butt his first year) and then look at what happened when Manuel took over.
Hal better be serious about winning and not just another James Dolan who only cares about selling tickets and lets his GM influence him (like Isiah did with Dolan, Cashman appears to be doing the same with Hal)
Neither of the brother know anything about baseball anyway. Hal is a very shady character, does he really want to win as badly as George? At least with Hank, you know where he stands, he wants to win and give the fans a product they can be proud of. Hal, I’m not so sure. He seems too conservative like Cashman.
“In 1962 Kaline was having a fantastic year (.336, 13 HR, 38 RBI) when on May 26 he fractured his right collarbone diving for the last-out catch in a 2-1 Hank Aguirre win at New York.”
well , i almost got it right. we were sitting down the first baseline and i remember seeing kaline from the front diving and making the catch.
elston howard hit it huh?
what was he doing hitting a liner to right field?
howard must have been ahead of his time.
“real men” pulled the ball in those days.
Yanks are getting swept tonight.
wolf man, Phil was not expected to be a #3 starter, even if being a #3 starter is still pretty good. He was touted for a long time as potential ace, so IMO, if he does turn out to be a #3, Phil would have been a disappointment in my eyes. Joba has absolutely nothing to do with Phil. Phil was very highly regarded on his own and there are different ways to be an ace anyway. You don’t have to throw 98 MPH.
It’s rather ludicrous anyway, IMO, to say Phil at best is a #3 (or #2), when it was fairly unanimous that he was an absolutely outstanding prospect. It’s impatient fans that for some reason expect him to throw 98 MPH or to be perfect that are already labeling Phil. It’s way too early for that, but if people want to do it, who’s going to stop them?
AJ – yes, Smith nixed the trade, but the Yankees very, very reluctantly put Hughes on the table (he never should have been there in the first place). Cash never wanted Phil in the deal and Hal loves him as well. Hank is no fan, but I rank his baseball knowledge up there with my knowledge of brain surgery.
Brain trust, thats good news. Let the Rays pull away from Boston.
Austin Jackson first pitch Home Run…1-0 Thunder…Go Thunder!!!
How ticked off do you think Boston is with the Yankees line-up tonight?
Howard hit the ball everywhere. Both he and Bill Skowren, just like Rodriguez does today, hit the ball as far to right and right center. Both hit upper deck homers into right and left, both had homers into the center field bleachers where the monuments were and to Death Valley. Howard had enormous power. He was one of the few to clear the old Comiskey Park left field roof, along with Mantle.
Dr. J -Don’t think that the Yanks have that in mind. Screw Boston out of the division, and let them have to face LA in a short series.
Imagine the Yanks play spoiler by losing games!!!
green beret7-
really digging deep in the way back machine, i think that game was the game i caught a bob cerv batting practice home run barehanded. it hurt like a bastard, and when i brought the ball back to our seats and showed it to my father, he promptly gave it to this little neighbor kid we brought along. i wasn’t happy.
at the time,not one of my better days.
but in retrospect, probably one of the better.
“How ticked off do you think Boston is with the Yankees line-up tonight?”
does it really matter what lineup the yankees throw out there now…nothing seems to work
Austin Jackson is going to be a stud… the best part about him is that nobody in the NY media knows about him. Francessa has daily rants about acquiring Nate McClouth and Madden/Harper seem to write weekly articles bashing the farm system for lack of position players. So he can sneak up on people with minimum scrutiny.
He could make the team out of ST next year if there is a competition for the SF spot. I mean, how hard is it to outhit Gardner or Melky?
Brain, absolutely. These players are smarter than we think. Damon is a big Red Sox groupie still, he probably keeps track of these things.
If we can’t be in the postseason, lets make it as hard as possible for Boston to get there.
RalphieD
Probably not but that looks like a spring training traveling on a 3 hour bus ride line-up if I’ve ever seen one.
i’m visualizing howard. closed stance if i remember right.
yeah i can see the line drives to center and right.
this is way more fun than thinking about today’s yankees.
why Millar is what our astute poster slike.
he is old, terrible OBP, all talk and no action.. Only if he could not throw he would be the perfect 1B…
Abreu stinks adios to him also, he is fading blind people…I am in NY again, many yankee hats in the streets but the players have no life…
Mets BP blows Santana’s win
Actually, they let Santana’s inherited runners score.
So, um, good times on the LoHud Yankee blog today?
I didn’t follow the game at all save for some occasionaly ugly score updates. Are we giving up on Mission Moose #20, or is there still an outside chance?
Congrats to TKinDC, who attended the Cal-Maryland game in College Park and got to root for the winner. Booooooooo. Painful game for a Cal fan to watch. If Rebecca is reading this, you win the bet, I owe you some of those something-something lollipops.
So, How many innings of Rasner do we see tonight?
Randy, that day wasn’t a good Yankee outfield. Cerv played right field, Hector Lopez in left field and Roger Maris, who played a great center field, played there. Tommy Tresh played shortstop most of the season because Kubek was in service.
YANKEES (77-80)
77-70?
SA,
Pete’s Freudian slip.
lol
I would love to see some energy by the guys in the nightcap. And no booted balls please!
Yeah, Howard had a closed stance, usually, but, like Skpwren tried to hit up the middle. Those two were bull-like strong. Mantle was just beastly. 16 inch forearms…thick wrists…and a weight lifter’s neck. Ungodly power.
It’s no lock we finish 5-10.
Aside from 3 games with the O’s (who always play us tough especially at the stadium), 12 of our next 15 are against teams in playoff contention that are way over .500.
We couldn’t even take 2 from the hapless Mariners, It’s not a slam dunk we do better against the Rays, Chi Sox, Jays, and Boston.
I smile a little every time I see Duaner Sanchez pitch. Not only does he have a funny name, but his accident led to the departure of Nady who was a fan favorite. I’m glad that Sanchez is pitching again, tho.
I haven’t heard to much about it, but did Wagner say he’s thrown his last pitch for the Mets? Doesn’t sound like he wants to retire just yet.
Randy ….. Elston Howard was picked up by the Red Sox in late 1967, and caught most of the games in the last month of The Impossible Dream season. He did indeed have a VERY closed stance, and usually took the pitch to right and right-center(to Al Kaline’s misfortune).
P.S. New York magazine has a good article on the post-George Yankees. Suggests that there is an “ambivalence” to ownership of the Yankees by George’s sons. Also mentioned that Hank did not attend a party for George the night of the all-star game ….. said that Hal attended, but was uncomfortable with all of the baseball types that were there (e.g. Lou Pinella). Also suggested that when George passes, the siblings are trying to get a feel for the total value of the enterprise so they can cash out …. probably to a corporation of some kind.
I read it “hard copy,” so I can’t provide a link. And it is largely speculation, but interesting.
“I haven’t heard to much about it, but did Wagner say he’s thrown his last pitch for the Mets? Doesn’t sound like he wants to retire just yet.”
His injury is going to keep him out the 2009 season as well and I think his contract with the Mutts is up next year. Perhaps that is what he meant. It will be interesting to see if the Mutts go another that putz K-Rod. They will overpay for him, but that’s their mistake.
Kontos is dealing. Someone mentioned they wanted to see Garcia up instead of Hughes. Ashmore posted after his last loss that that’s why you don’t pitch Garcia in that playoff game. Something about he had moved up rather quickly. So I don’t think bringing up for a cup would be a very good idea.
“Also suggested that when George passes, the siblings are trying to get a feel for the total value of the enterprise so they can cash out …. probably to a corporation of some kind.”
It would have to be to a corporation as there aren’t many individuals rich enough to be able to buy the Yankees. If this does happen, it could spell the end of the franchise as we know it. We may turn into the Cubs and not win for another 100 years. Unless you have an owner that wants to win above all else, you’re destined to have years w/o titles.
austin jackson just robbed a guy of a homerun!!….maybe one day we’ll see that in the bronx!!!
Laura,
Before the injury, Wagner said this was his last contract.
After the surgery, he did say the Mets would be foolish not to move on. Then he says he’s thrown his last pitch for the Mets.
Now I understand the money is his. But if doesn’t plan to pitch again, I think he should retire. That would be the decent thing to do.
Jackson goes over the wall in center field to catch a would be homer, to keep the game at 1-0, Trenton.
mel -
The Mets told Wagner that they were not going to pick up his option for 2010, so essentially he is done with the Mets. (This morning’s Star Ledger)
Brian (Red sox Fan),
Is this it?
http://nymag.com/news/sports/49941/
“probably to a corporation of some kind.â€
Jeter and A-Rod have both said they want to own a baseball team when they retire.
OT-If anyone is playing fantasy football and have any Ravens/Texans players-make some changes. That game is now scheduled for Nov 9 and they will now have a BYE this week.
Series vs. Chi Sox
A. Aceves vs. M. Burhlee
A. Pettitte vs. G. Floyd
P. Hughes vs. L. Broadway
M. Mussina vs. J. Vasquez
“I am not at the Stadium today and have plans tonight”
So which movie will you be sampling tonight at the theater, Pete? “The Women”?
Tom,
Yes, that’s the link for the George Steinbrenner story. Thanks for the technical assistance.
“So, um, good times on the LoHud Yankee blog today?”
nick in sf-
well , greenberet7 and i have discovered have discovered that we do a lot better job of discussing 1962 than 2008.
most cashman supporters are evacuating faster than people in the path of hurricane ike.
except raymagnetic. he’s ignoring the mandatory evacuation orders and is riding out the storm.
pete looked at the low blog traffic total, and threw in a controversial but i think disingenuous comment to stimulate blog traffic( what’s the chance of cashman hiring a young turk as asst gm) before going out the door . i’m not sure it’s working.
but look on the bright side. there’s another game tonight for us to let out our frustrations.
pat -
I read Jeter and Posada want to own one together.
randy l
That was one of the funniest posts I’ve ever read from you!
What channel is the game on? thx.
Hopefully Ponson can get this Tampa minor league lineup out.
Dee
Channel 9
Thanks Pat
I heard a rumor that they’re going to cancel the Ponson game and let the fans watch the USC-Ohio St. game on the jumbotron. Any truth to this?
Dee -
It’s on MY9 – just found it myself.
George is an Ohio State fan.
This year’s rookie hazing before the last road trip won’t have the same feel to it.
mel -
do you think they’ll even bother with that?
Nick,
Rough day for the Cali schools. Are we having a friendly wager on the USC game?
The fan hazing has been going on since March.
mel
or the veterans may go crazier just to keep themselves amused.
mel, I’m sure we can have a friendlt wager on the Cal-USC game, but no need for details until we know more. But Cal will be getting a lot of points, I think.
1. I was at the game today. Yeah, it was disappointing, and they did not play well. But I love going to ballgames, especially to Yankee Stadium. This was the last game this season for me, and during the game I kept thinking back to my first game there, a Bat Day in 1967 or 1968. I went with my father and brother, and although I don’t remember details, it is one of the warmer memories of my dad. Times were so much simpler then.
2. Scanning the comments about Hank’s comments about an advisory committee – I wonder if Hank is the one out of the loop. Given that he’s been absent from the Bronx for most of the year, even absent from the All Star Game, and Hal, Jenny and Felix went with the old man…and how much I read about Cash working with Hal…I wonder if Hank really has a clue to the inner working of the club, and how much clout, compared to his sibs he really has. I remember reading at one point in the past that Jenny showed more interest in the team than either of his brothers, and I wonder if she and Hal are, just maybe, ascending in the order. Just wondering. We will never know, of course.
It is like a spring training game with Gardner batting lead off. That is how you know the game doesn’t mean anything.
Yes, Doreen. They have to. One of the few highlights.
BTW Trenton up 3-0
I think Cano thought that was a catch by Jeter. Umpire’s balk. If he had tagged Iwamura first, then the bag, he’d have the DP.
Run, Forest, run!
Guess Garza doesn’t realize that Gardner’s legs>his bat.
jeter bunting in the 1st? sad.
Not a great play, Jeter. Let Gardner try to steal second base, first.
Jeter bunting?!?!?!!! The Yanks are 20 games out of 1st. Let Gardner steal 2nd. The game means nothing and Jeter needs the hits. That made no sense.
What a team player Jeter is.
I didn’t even realize the Yankee game was on already.
This Oregon/Purdue game is entertaining
If i were as fast as Gardner, I would try to steal 2 bases at once everytime.
lol
he is the greatest of team players Mel, but garza isnt throwing strikes
Purdue-Oregon in double-OT, it’s drama city!
a-jax just robbed another homerun…crazy
And Rodriguez causes the balk.
Alex did mouth “time”.
A-Rod caused that Balk.
Look at that an Arod sac fly….
Good job by Alex.
That was great by ARod, wasn’t it?
Great teamwork by Jeter, Alex, and Garza there.
Damn you A-Rod !!!! Get IT IN your FFF**** head. We have to lose this game.
Why didn’t you GiDP? Boston is up already 2-0.
That was good.
“a-jax just robbed another homerun…crazy”
Can you watch the game on milb? The other day it would only let you watch the AAA game…
A-Rod manufacturing a run by deeking the pitcher into a balk and a sac fly. Don’t be shocked if a Tampa pitcher hits him before they leave town.
You know, people, we are either very dedicated or very pathetic.
I vote dedicated, of course!
I sincerely hope this Garza No-Hitter stands up.
You know what they say about Ponson: give him a run to play with and watch him work!
Is anyone getting this game on TV (ESPN) or on their computer (MLB.TV). I can’t get either! What gives?
You know, people, we are either very dedicated or very pathetic.
I vote dedicated also.
Though when the USC/Ohio State game starts…I will have to flip
OldYanksFan, I’m getting this game on DirecTV, I think it’s on channel 9 in NY.
I vote we are very pathedicated.
Doreen–i’m voting dedicated.
also just grateful to watch the last few games at the stadium.
Oh, SA, with my husband here, we’re definitely flipping to that USC/Ohio State game.
I’m commited, but not crazy.
OldYanksFan-The game is on My9.
“Can you watch the game on milb? The other day it would only let you watch the AAA game…”
no im just listening on the radio
This is looking like one of Ponson’s crappy starts.
What do you mean, Laura? It looks like all his starts.
Ponson is trying to throw 100 pitches in 2 innings. It looks like the bullpen will be getting warmed up soon. Hopefully Hughes will pitch good against the W.Sox and then he can take over for him.
Nice pitch, nice lead for Toronto.
We’re committed…or certifiable.
Wondering how Phil Hughes would do?
Ref. Bartolo
Cano meet 1st base…1st base meet Cano…
Guess, who just gave up a 5 spot to Toronto. No cheating.
mel
ER blew your quiz.
It had been a while, I had forgotten how bad Betemit was.
Never mind, ER gave it away.
Too bad the no-hitter lasted all of one inning, huh?
Same can be said about Pudge.
BTw, that Minn. vs Balti 2nd game will start at Midnight.
I like that Ransom
I know it is a small sample size..BUT Ransom should be the back up infielder next season and get rid of Cashman’s strike out artist boyfriend Betemit. Can’t they sell the young switch hitting infielder with power to another stupid GM…
“What do you mean, Laura? It looks like all his starts.”
Some starts look crappier than others. This one scores about a 5 so far on the crappola meter.
TOR making the run at the Wild Card that we should have made.
They almost all end up looking pretty crappy, it’s just a matter of degree. The difference is usually whether he can wiggle out of early trouble and hang on ’til the 5th.
Pedroia doesn’t get called on those high breaking balls but Gardner doesn’t have the pedigree to argue for now.
Give him time.
As long as Ponson puts up zeroes, I don’t care how ugly it is.
That Garza twitches like a chronic.
Ponson really is batting practice..It looks like it is going to be 1 of his usual ugly ones.
Strikes Ponson. Strikes
Kay has a point except that this year’s Wild Card race is relatively tight. BOS can’t take the foot off of the brakes because TOR is pouring it on. His point only rings true when the WC leader is so far ahead that they don’t have to worry about who is chasing them. That’s not true this case in either league. At least not yet.
Can we clone Ransom so that he can play 3B and 1B?
Betemit, doing his best Giambi impersonation.
And the magician works his magic again.
this game has ponson written all over it…
I would love Houston and Philly to edge out the Brewers and Mets.
Gotta say one thing, at least Ponson is making the game exciting.
Sidney Houdini everyone.
Here we go. USC/Ohio State time
You’re wrong. Giambi is one of the better first basemen at digging out low throws.
And Jeter was bunting earlier…..
Jeter hit coundown to 5 to tie.
mel, I doubt any Yankee fan would care how ugly it looks if he put up more zeros — the problem with him is how few zeros he puts up and in how few innings he usually does it.
But no reason to bash Ponson, his mediocrity is not a mystery.
“You’re wrong. Giambi is one of the better first basemen at digging out low throws.”
True. His major problem is throwing the ball to 2B.
Garza is off his game tonight. We need to get to this guy now.
Nady looks like he’s given up.
c’mon Robbie
shocking.
The kid with no brain swinging 2-0..He really is a genius..
Cano with yet another popup. He’s not even making solid contact anymore, it’s just sad to watch him play.
Laura, Giambi is a disaster throwing, but, he also has almost zero range, but, normally makes the plays right at him. I’m like everyone else, though. I cringe every time it looks like he might need to make a throw. I just about mark down an automatic E-3 (throw) in my scorebook.
Please, enough of this fat sob.
“I’m like everyone else, though. I cringe every time it looks like he might need to make a throw. I just about mark down an automatic E-3 (throw) in my scorebook.”
Thankfully, that’s not something you’ll have to do next year.
Hopefully we will get to see Coke soon..He has been impressive so far..and I can’t take anymore of Ponson.
“As long as Ponson puts up zeroes, I don’t care how ugly it is.”
Hear hear mel!
But on the other hand I have Depends for any of the yipping puppies on the forum.
hey now hey now it’s poodle clipping time
I say it’s poo-oodle, clipping time!
Gross looked like he was on a slip and slide going into 2nd base.
Erin Andrews looking lovely and dressed appropriately.
But I’m sick of hearing about Beanie Wells.
C’mon, Cid.
Here comes the big blow..Hello Girardi pitching change time…
Yikes.
Houdini..er..Sidney, Get out of this? kay
I don’t understand Girardi’s love for Sidney Fatso.
“Giambi is one of the better first basemen at digging out low throws.”
No question.
I once again took part of the game in the car (had to shop for some shindig tomorrow) and I heard Waldman say when Cliff Floyd was up at bat that Maddon said that he flip-flopped Floyd and Johnson 3 and 4 because they were both struggling when it was reversed and since then Floyd has been hitting 350.
What a novel concept.
I’m thinking this could be Sidney’s last outing.
Oh well.
geez
trisha, I asked you straight up earlier to explain that odd “poodle cipping” insult, and so far you’ve declined. Yet you repeat it over and over.
So I’ll ask you again: does it have any meaning whatsoever, or is it just a non sequitur?
how would i know? this is definitely his last start as a Yankee.
And I was right..Getting beat by another minor leaguer..Girardi was just a little bit too late.
Only Girardi couldn’t see that coming. I just hope Girardi gets drop kicked out the back door after this season.
And the magician has run out of tricks.
And of course it gives me no joy to see Ponson be Ponson there, that’s just the pitcher he is. No one can be surprised.
UGH!
i am a sidney supporter and a grand slam HOMER!
And I agree at this point that it would be best for Girardi to start someone else in Sidney’s place and put Sid in the pen, where he can go several scoreless innings.
1 pitch-1 out
Nice start Coke
Let the rookies pitch. We’ve seen Ponson a million times. We know what he has, which is essentially nothing. It’s time for the young guys to get a shot.
thanks Coke for showing Ponson how its done.
Boy it didn’t take long for the Sux to get that on as a highlight (or lowlight actually).
Toronto doing a nice job so far 5-2 bottom of the 5th.
I would assume that Hughes will make Ponson’s last couple of starts. Unless Hughes’s is something like 2 innings 10 runs or something.
i would think the lord of aruba can safely be released NOW!
WILSON!!!!!
Well I guess Betemit isn’t totally useless. Some of that “switch hitting power”….
Sidney Ponson stands as much chance of reporting with pitchers & catchers in February as Kevin Brown does.
Ponson sucks. Please get this piece of garbage off the team
Good job Wilson, maybe we can find some takers for you now.
c’mon Ransom
Well I guess Betemit isn’t totally useless. Some of that “switch hitting powerâ€â€¦.
Betemit should just be a permanent left handed batter.
Is Garza pitching to the scoreboard or have the Yankees woken up?
And Pudge!
Happiness coming from “unusual” places tonight.
It would be good for the Rays to win to keep killing the Sux but it would be good for us to come back to pick up the team.
Long as the Sux lose they will at least stand still. They have 3 more games with the Rays, in Tampa. That should be a blast!
wow, Pudge hustled.
“Betemit should just be a permanent left handed batter.”
Betemit should just be a permanent San Diego Padre.
Hey how cool is this???? Coney was saying how much the players really like Ponson in the clubhouse. This is their sympathy pick up for Sir Sid.
Betemit should just be a permanent San Diego Padre.
agreed.
Well, we got 3 runs in this game. That’s already an improvement over the first game.
Man alive, check this out! WOO HOO!!! Wouldn’t it be a riot if Sidney ended up winning this game? I don’t necessarily think they have more runs in them this inning.
Of course the players like Ponson in the clubhouse, he does a lot less damage there than he does on the mound.
Jeter hit countdown to 4 to tie.
Jeter is on fire!!!
Ca-lip, ca-lip, ca-lip.
Jeter may break the Gehrig record by tomorrow.
Of course the players like Ponson in the clubhouse, he does a lot less damage there than he does on the mound.
LOL
jeter should always be chasing a record
“Man alive, check this out! WOO HOO!!! Wouldn’t it be a riot if Sidney ended up winning this game?”
How would Sidney win the game? He didn’t go 5 innings and was behind when he left.
Putting the Jeter thing in its proper perspective, how many years were the Babe and Lou at the Stadium?
Jetes having a nice day
I like “Clasic Jeter” better than “Jeterian”. Thanks, Coney.
When there’s a personal record to chase, Jeter stops grounding into double plays. Sheesh.
Laura sorry you’re right. It isn’t 5 innings. And the best that would happen is that he wouldn’t lose the game.
Laura, the answer is that he can’t get the win.
trisha, by all means keep it up. I gave you multiple opportunities to show a modicum of integrity — it’s not too late. Given your history, you can’t blame me for wondering what the heck you’re trying to say.
The players would probably really like alot of us in their clubhouse – it doesnt mean we should all be payed to sit with the team. He cant pitch which means he shouldn’t be out there every five days. Cashmans mistake number 457 – relying on ponson and rasner to get us thru the season as the fourth and fifth starters.
Sux still losing 5-2. I’d feel happier if it wasn’t Colon on the mound only because I feel bad for the guy since we always used to knock him around and I don’t think he’s really gotten any better since he was dumped by the Angels. Ugly puss Puke just got a no outs double. Hopefully Litsch doesn’t start to self destruct.
whoever has directv, is your signal bad?
I say if the yankees tie the game, they should put mussina in to let him try and win….
YAWNSY-DAWNSY.
And in craptown usa things are starting to get a little tense as Litsch has walked two in a row and there is nobody out…
why Betemit is so scare of a rolling ball?
Nice play by Coke fielding his position.
ED: no, solid signal. Must be local to you.
By now, I think that the Yankees see that Betemit should not be on this team next year. If they haven’t, they should get their heads examined by a good neurologist.
katie – wouldn’t that be a riot!
The newest “hometown hero” Manny Bay is at the plate. Oh the Sux crowd is just counting on him to bring the boys home!
nick relax and get back to your comedic pursuits please
NICK: yeah i figured. signal is good now.
Katie, Mussina is tired and you seriously want him to have a injury?
Lou Gehrig played his entire career in Yankee Stadium – 1925-1938.
“The newest “hometown hero†Manny Bay is at the plate. Oh the Sux crowd is just counting on him to bring the boys home!”
Tricia, I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything, but I have to ask you about this. Several games ago, you totally ripped on people who came in here and talked about what BOS was doing. Tonight, you are doing that very same thing. Has your position on this changed now that the Yankees are dead and buried in the playoff race? I’m just curious.
Nick, it’s not only a “non sequitur”, but, as Mr. Spock would say, “Doctor McCoy, that’s not a logical statement.”
j/k. Love the old Star Trek tv shows….especially that episode and “The Trouble with Trbbles”.
nice star trek reference GB7 !
I think it would Trisha, I’m sure the man has a little bit of gas left in the tank to be able to go an inning maybe 2.
***The Trouble with Tribbles***
Wow, Nady’s average has nose dived big time. Wasn’t he batting .322 when he came over? He’s at .287 now.
Can Cano do it?
This is what the big league club is missing.
http://www.trentonthunder.com/.....3%20HP.jpg
“***The Trouble with Tribbles***”
I am one of the few Trekkies who never cared for that episode. It’s not a bad episode, but I don’t think it’s as good as some people like to make it out to be.
The Thunder win 4-1…they lead the best of 5 series 2-1
Ed- how would he get injured? At least give him a shot at winning.
Besides, you and I both know it’s not going to happen. People can say what they like on here that’s the point. I can dream and say I wish the Yankees would win the series this year, not going to happen because they suck and arn’t even getting to the Playoffs, so just chill.
When was the last time Cano got a hit?
trisha – amazing what one win will do for an optimist!
September 13th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Putting the Jeter thing in its proper perspective, how many years were the Babe and Lou at the Stadium?
__________________________________________________
Trisha, Gehrig had 14 full seasons and small parts of 3 others.
“Wow, Nady’s average has nose dived big time. Wasn’t he batting .322 when he came over? He’s at .287 now”
the .287 is just with the yankees…when he first came he was at 330 i believe
I wonder would Cashman bring up A-Jax just to give him a taste at the big leagues despite him being in AA? the D-Backs did it with Justin Upton last season, and he’s been in the big leagues ever since.
laura… the omnipotent trisha (5 innings to get a win) makes it up as she goes along.
Laura, I ripped on Sux fans who had come here and were gloating about what the Sux were doing, (which was winning), and which Sux player had homered!! (woo hoo) and Beckett was pitching “a gem”. I didn’t care about any Yankee fan doing a basic report. Nor do I. In fact I am always interested in what they’re doing as it usually has implications for us. People constantly update each other here on scores of their games. That is never a problem.
yanksince57: no problem, I was just curious, as I’d never heard this particular insult before and the person making the insult has a history of making a specific type of slur, though usually against Red Sox players and not Yankee fans. It’s not a big deal, but it’s only fair to give people a chance to explain themselves.
GB7: that was one of my fave Star Trek episodes ever. Good times.
Laura -agreed-not a favorite-too silly.
my favorite is Journey to babel with Sarek and Spock having the operation in the midle of a battle
Laura, there were almost no bad Star Trek episodes. However, the spinoffs and the movies stunk.
When was the last time Cano got a hit?
Tonight
I don’t like the idea of giving up on Cano, but watching him play, we really should be looking for into the 2nd basemen market. Maybe they can find some interesting and get a solid producer, not one who can be outstanding and frustrating at the same time like Cano.
GB, thanks. I think Jeter’s accomplishment will be phenomenal no matter what but knew that Lou’s career was cut short and that the Babe didn’t play his entire career with the Ys so wondered what the year comparisons were.
Stuart, hey now I’ve never put you down. Play nice.
Just need to hold. Dan Wheeler’s our ace up the sleeve.
“the .287 is just with the yankees…when he first came he was at 330 i believe”
I didn’t see a caption that said that, but it could be.
I’m watching the Sox game.
Colon throws a pitch and a hard grounder is hit right back at him.
In self defense, he turns totally around, and with his back to the plate, the ball is coming right at him.
And then the ball disappears.
Doesn’t go past him.
Doesn’t bounce off him.
Where is the ball?
My first thought is that he caught it with his butt cheeks, which would literally mean that Colon caught it with his colon.
But that’s not it.
With his back to the plate and his glove arm dangling at his side, the ball hits the heel of his shoe and jumps directly into his glove.
Colon laughs, and throws the runner out at first.
Amazing!
“Laura, there were almost no bad Star Trek episodes. ”
The operative word being “almost”. I’m the biggest Trekkie around and even I have to admit that there were some stinkers. My fave is probably “The City on the Edge of Forever”.
Nice DP!
“When was the last time Cano got a hit?
Tonight”
I missed that one, pat.
“I didn’t see a caption that said that, but it could be”
just check baseball reference or any other stat site…it is true
way to go Coke!
“just check baseball reference or any other stat site…it is true”
No doubt. Thanks.
Nick, for a show that only ran for two years, Star Trek became a goldmine for Roddenberry and Shatner. I remember when Shatner was a semi-regular on Rod Serling’s “Twilght Zone”. Another favorite of the Sc-fi tv shows was Irwin Allen’s “The Time Tunnel”.
things go better with coke!
“And of course it gives me no joy to see Ponson be Ponson there, that’s just the pitcher he is. No one can be surprised.”
yeah i agree, he’s no livan.
but he’ll be pitching somewhere next year.
“things go better with coke!”
Very nice!
***Sci-Fi tv shows***
3 years gb7 and frankly i thought many OST episodes were hokey even in the 60s.
Thank god Huntington took Karstens instead of Coke.
Imagine if we added a lefty who can throw 96 out of the pen for Nady along with Tabata and Ohlendorf?
since its the full moon, will the great Yankee ghosts come out and help the Yankees? hmm..
“Nick, for a show that only ran for two years, Star Trek became a goldmine for Roddenberry and Shatner. I remember when Shatner was a semi-regular on Rod Serling’s “Twilght Zoneâ€. Another favorite of the Sc-fi tv shows was Irwin Allen’s “The Time Tunnelâ€.”
Green, the Original Star Trek ran for 3 seasons (79 episodes total).
William Shatner performs “Rocketman” in 1978:
http://video.google.com/videop.....0343559618
“3 years gb7 and frankly i thought many OST episodes were hokey even in the 60s.”
And many of them were ahead of their time.
I could hit better than Betemit from the right side.
randy, for once I agree with you, he’s no Livan. But you can thank Girardi for that, what with the no-candy-or-ice-cream policy.
Jeter may break Gehrigs record, but he’s still not on the same planet as Lou or the Babe. I love Jeter, but lets be realistic about it.
“I could hit better than Betemit from the right side.”
I think it’s a sham that he gets considered as a switch hitter. He should be considered a switch swinger.
off the top of my head, the worst were the dunn, gorshin and carmel episodes.
“Jeter may break Gehrigs record, but he’s still not on the same planet as Lou or the Babe. I love Jeter, but lets be realistic about it.”
I don’t think that anyone was saying that he was. Even Jeter is embarrassed to even be mentioned in the same sentence with those guys.
So just thinking out loud here. Sux are currently 4 behind the Rays in the loss column. If things end up with them 1-2, Sux will likely have to play the Angels in the first round, with Angels getting HFA. If the Rays win their first-round series, they will have HFA as the division winner.
I like it.
“off the top of my head, the worst were the dunn, gorshin and carmel episodes.”
Gorshin’s episode (Let This Be Your Last Battlefield) was a big heavy handed. Okay, it was ridiculously heavy handed, but I loved what Gene was trying to say. Believe it or not, in 2008 we still need that message to get across.
Laura, I missed the last year, then, because I was in Vietnam, and Uncle Ho didn’t like those “imperialist, Yankee dog” shows.
“I think it’s a sham that he gets considered as a switch hitter. He should be considered a switch swinger.”
He should just give it up on the switch hitting thing. Just practice hard left-handed and hope for the best.
i’m not denying the message, just the execution
“I don’t think that anyone was saying that he was.”
Except for Michael Kay.
Frank Gorshin in anything was great. Loved the adsolutely, campy “Batman” shows.
And the Sox take the lead
5-4 now.
I missed the first game earlier today. How bad did Moose actually look? I know his line isn’t pretty but some times that doesn’t tell the whole story. Was he really smacked around or were there a lot of bloops etc?
Does Jeter’s Yankee stadium hits total include the post season?
***absolutely***
“And the Sox take the lead”
In your dreams.
trisha – how did boston get their 4th run?
er has to be the most annoying person posting here.
As long as we lose this game, its ok even if the Sox win.
The key is to lose this game.
Let ‘em have the bat, Gardner…You have no use for it.
is cone hinting tht he masturbated before his starts?
“er has to be the most annoying person posting here.”
Not if you ignore him/her like I do. Then, it’s like they don’t post here at all.
big game for toronto. big difference between 51/2 and 7 1/2.
they’ve got 4 games left with the red sox too.
they win tonight and the wild card really is in play for them.
that would be beyond sweet if toronto knocked them off.
Brett Gardner continues to reach new levels of suckiness.
Bring Up Otis
The Jeter hits countdown is 3 to tie.
I told you guys. He’ll break the record tomorrow.
He’s gonna flock well in the majors
b0b – ellsbury scored on a force out at 2nd.
Rob James is the best in the majors
Jennifer, he’s right up there with Stuart Little and a few others. I’m calling a 6 way tie. However, the night isn’t over.
WOW…..every1 hustled…….
The yanks should sign tiger woods he can hit if far. usain bolt would be a good pitcher.
check us out!!! WOO HOO!!!
…wow.
I like how Jeter was totally ignoring Meacham.
Trisha, i don’t want to hear your bogus comments.
Jeter instinctively wanted to ignore Meacham. LOL!
For a second there I thought it were the Yankees on defense.
Jason “Manny” Bay about to hit another homerun.
Trisha have you ever flocked in the sky with the birds
Rebecca, congrats to you, I owe you some undetermined quantity of those lollipop things.
I like how Jeter was totally ignoring Meacham.
same here, he used his own instincts.
The Captain is a GAMER!!!
Nice!
“that would be beyond sweet if toronto knocked them off.”
randy, I would live for that moment. I’m sure you understand, from your perch in MA, just how much that would take some of the sting off the Yankee season!
at least ARod gets 1 more chance.
Woohoo
With all due respect Meacham waived him home when Gross bombled the ball
I would recommend that you watch Major League Bowling
Damn randy – they heard us. Sux tie the score.
Jeter’s chances of reaching 200 hits this season are slim and none (171) and a slightly better shot at scoring 100 (83).
U$C is a beast.
“With all due respect Meacham waived him home when Gross bombled the ball”
Yeah and Jeter was ignoring him. I’m not sure I get your point.
What the hell is he waiting for?
Damn, and the Sox tie their game too.
What an awful night, we’re just handing the Sox the division and homefield.
ARod is not inflicting any fear.
Semper Fi, Meacham was totally right there all along, of that there is no dispute. It’s just funny that Jeter wasn’t even looking at him.
“Jeter’s chances of reaching 200 hits this season are slim and none (171) and a slightly better shot at scoring 100 (83).”
You don’t think he can get 29 hits in 14 games?
Jeter only ran home after he checked things out for himself, not because meachum waved him home. Jeter has been ignoring Meachum’s signals lately, and I don’t blame him.
If he ignored him he would have stayed on third.
What is your point?
Nady is due for a hit here.
mlb.com now has gameday mini. Pretty cool, you can stick it in the corner of your screen.
Theres a classic right there. Go ahead run in scoring position, our “cleanup” hitter up. He almost fouls out, then takes a strike three looking right down the middle.
Sorry to say but this is a major problem with theteams lack of success. The game is “on the line” only a few times a game. The game is there to be won (or lost) in key at bats like that one. Another situation (and there have been a lot of thme this year) where if the Yanks win this game, the Cleanup guy, will have little to do with the win, and if they lose this game he will have had chances to put them in position to win and he didnt
I must have a different view I watched the replay from FSN Florida
Meachem is one of the ones who should not be back next year. He is awful this year.
I think they should work on getting Larry back here. The biggest mistake was telling him to leave.
“If he ignored him he would have stayed on third. What is your point?”
Actually, if you watch the play, Jeter rounds third totally ignoring Meacham. He’s looking out at the play by the tarp. He finally sees that the guy is having trouble and then runs home. So no, he would not have stayed at 3B because he was watching the play all along, using his own judgment because Meacham sucks as a 3B coach and should be ignored at all times.
“If he ignored him he would have stayed on third.”
No, that would be true if he had contradicted him.
Nick: I’ve been so busy trying to read about medieval England and learn more latin that I could ever want to know that I totally forgot about the bet.
But dude, I want those lollipops =P
“I think they should work on getting Larry back here. The biggest mistake was telling him to leave.”
I don’t see Bowa leaving Torre at this point, especially if they make the playoffs. Maybe they should try Pena at 3B and see how that works out.
at least Nady is making him work.
“If he ignored him he would have stayed on third.”
At first he did stop at third even though meachum was waving him home. Then he looked for himself, realized he had time, only then he decided to go.
and….NADY got a hit….
And Nady gets hot again!
A bet is a bet. I’ll get in touch via your blog.
Hey, that was latin!
wow-nady really needed that hit–great at bat
X is working him
Nice AB by Nady
Alex should be taking notes.
and now Girardi will use Mo for 2 innings in a meaningless game, while the Sox pull out a win.
Depressing.
wow, Cano got lucky…
According to Hank Steinbrenner, next year third base will be coached by an advisory committee.
Sox take the lead
“and now Girardi will use Mo for 2 innings in a meaningless game, while the Sox pull out a win.”
why would he do that?
Sometimes lucky is better than good.
What a sad moment. Downs fell on the mound reaching for an easy ball to the mound and the Sux take the lead. It would have been the third out.
That’s one of the few breaks that Cano has gotten this year.
“According to Hank Steinbrenner, next year third base will be coached by an advisory committee.”
LOL! Hey, at this point, that would be an improvement.
Nice hitting by Nady.
World’s shortest double by Cano there.
Laura apparently Larry isn’t very happy in LA. Fans are too not as into the game as NY’ers are. I heard he never wanted to leave. Maybe somehow they could get him back here.
If that isn’t possible. I agree give Tony a shot there. But Bobby has to go.
BOOOOO!
These clowns can’t
even intentionally lose a game .
Ed – strange things happens in baseball
September 13th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
since its the full moon, will the great Yankee ghosts come out and help the Yankees? hmm..
Let me rephase it, its the full moon, the great Yankee ghosts have came out to help the Yankees. strange things had happened when its the full moon for the Yankees. like the back-to-back homers during the 2001 world series.
Newark Bear, we’re in a tough position because you can’t have the Yanks losing games just to stick it to the Sux. As of today they were 4 behind the Rays in the “all important” loss column. Sux win tonight (and Rays lose) they’ll be three behind. They still have to win 3 games that the Rays lose. It won’t be that easy, and the Rays have 3 games with them in Tampa.
ER – This is like the Knicks when they won games at the end to ruin their lottery position.
We can start winning again when the Chi Sox come to town, but for now we need to lose!
this is what happens when you depend on Betemit getting clutch hits.
Is it remotely possible that Bobby can switch over to LF next year and let Nady go back to RF? Probably a dumb idea but just thinking out loud. Nady is a natural right fielder, and Bobby’s afraid of the wall. The wall at left is further away so Bobby wouldn’t have to go up against it as much as he does now at right.
I like Arod and I am sure he is trying to succeed but it does seem like the Yankees could win this game without any contribution from Arod. He does accumulate a lot of opportunities but seems to make theworst type of out possible in clutch situations
“strange things had happened when its the full moon for the Yankees. like the back-to-back homers during the 2001 world series.”
No words will ever be able to describe that feeling.
I would love to have Bowa back here. I would even pick him up from the airport
seeing betemit at the plate with 2 on and 2 out is a pretty bleak prospect…
Girardi’s love for some guys is really inexplicable, namely Betemit, Rasner and Ponson.
No words will ever be able to describe that feeling.
it would be great if we could relive that moment.
Team is playing with a lot of heart tonight. Joe better keep this lineup in every game… Ransom, Gardner, Betemit etc. play hard.
Nick: my email is rebecca@puristbleedspinstripes.com
*rubs hands menacingly*
I think its Cashman who loves Betemit, He always did.
I wish Gardner could hit a smidge. I wish he was a 220 hitter. He strikes out way too much
jeter is the hero of the day. thats it.
Trisha, Ed:
The 2001 World Series will, I think, go down in history as the most important WS ever played.
Not necessarily the most dramatic, though you can make a case for it, but the most important.
In the end, it didn’t matter that the Yankees lost, it just mattered that they played. It took me a long time to realize this–certainly not in 2001–but losing that World Series right now doesn’t hurt nearly as much as say 2004.
Game over in Boston. The bas-tards won.
Let’s hope Mo blows this one —- if he’s still on the team.
I now know why Girardi didn’t put Betemit at 3B tonight. Ransom is showing Betemit how its done while manning the hot corner.
In the end, it didn’t matter that the Yankees lost, it just mattered that they played. It took me a long time to realize this–certainly not in 2001–but losing that World Series right now doesn’t hurt nearly as much as say 2004.
both playoff games were blown by Mo, sadly. if i have choose which hurts the most, i would agree with you, Rebecca. 2004 did hurt the most when we were up 3-0, 1 more out needed to sweep.
How about we score 3+ runs and then get another inning for Joba!
nice effort by Pudge.
When was the last time we saw Mo? I don’t even remember..
I wanna see the reception jeter gets if he comes up again
Ransom is making his case to why he should come back next season!
I wanna see the reception jeter gets if he comes up again
Girardi doesn’t want Betemit to play SS, hence the reason why he’s 1B tonight.
Mo is due to a blown save, right? Though I really don’t want to lose like that. Maybe Cliff Floyd could turn a fly out into an inside the park HR and we can blame abreu instead of MO?
Cone and Kay keep talking about how low Bradford throws from down under. Apparently, they never saw Ted Abernathy throw when he was with the Cubs, Indians and everyone else..
I hate this guy’s delivery.
“I like Arod and I am sure he is trying to succeed but it does seem like the Yankees could win this game without any contribution from Arod.”
Does the RBI in the 1st inning not count as a contribution?
Mo is due to a blown save, right? Though I really don’t want to lose like that. Maybe Cliff Floyd could turn a fly out into an inside the park HR and we can blame abreu instead of MO?
news flash, Floyd was took out of the game for a pinch hitter.
MIN has scored 22 off of BAL in 1.5 games.
the first inning was hours ago lol,
Trying to throw out Gardner at home, as if!
Abreu comes through again…
Wow, the scoreboard must be really wrong for Kay to be reporting on the Sux game as Jays leading in the 8th!
Meanwhile, Gardner flys!!!!!
Gotta give Gardner credit. He’s fast. He can’t hit worth a damn, but he can run.
Nice Bobby
6-4 yanks
Laura, Texas once scored 30 off of Baltimore in one game.
Not impressed
I want Bobby Abreu back, no ifs ands or buts.
Damon, Giambi, and Matsui are cancers! They are bringing the lineup down !
Get rid of all of them this offseason ! see how free and easy the lineup is tonight !
ARod should ask to be traded. Those fans don’t deserve him. That contract is a monster so he’s going to have to eat some of it, but he should really get out of dodge.
If Cashman doesn’t bring back Bobby and shop Damon/Matsui, then he is truly lost.
“Laura, Texas once scored 30 off of Baltimore in one game.”
I remember that game. Wasn’t it 33-10 or something like that?
Unfortunately the Jays lost.
I hope they have a Doc Halladay in their very near future, like tomorrow maybe!
71 Strikeouts to six walks?
Holy…
“I want Bobby Abreu back, no ifs ands or buts.”
Let that be your mantra as a ball falls in front of him or he backs off because of the wall for the next 3 years.
trisha, i must be dreaming. er said the red sox won. explain?
“If Cashman doesn’t bring back Bobby and shop Damon/Matsui, then he is truly lost.”
Okay, so the Yankee offense has been in the toilet the entire year and you want them to deal Matsui, who is a guaranteed 100+ RBI guy when healthy? Yeah, that makes sense.
Laura: 30-3. And it was the first game of a doubleheader.
I remember that game. Wasn’t it 33-10 or something like that?
it was 30-3 and somehow, the Rangers’s closer got a save when they were up 27.
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=270822201
“trisha, i must be dreaming. er said the red sox won. explain?”
What explanation do you need? Sux won. Jays lost. Same end result. See?
Alex big in the clutch again!
“it was 30-3 and somehow, the Rangers’s closer got a save when they were up 27.”
I remember the next day, a lot of the baseball analysts were bitching and moaning about the save rule.
I keep hoping that Rivera will unveil his changeup. He’s thrown it during spring training, but, never have seen it in a regulation game. It’s a thing of beauty, though. He threw 6 straight against the Phillies last year (2007) and 6 swings and misses against Howard and Burrell..
Damon, Giambi, and Matsui are cancers! They are bringing the lineup down !
where have you been? Damon has been consistant, and Matsui can sure deliever clutch hits. Count out this season for Matsui since he was injuried. Giambi, is a different story.
Rebecca, I agree with that. With everything that happened in 2001, what the Yankees did in the Stadium was the heart and soul of what New Yorkers needed. Those two games were their world series, if you know what I mean.
ouch….
Man, these fans have no tolerance for anything.
ed… i think it was one more strike needed to sweep.
thanks fruitbat!
nice win. Lets get one more tomorrow
Time to replace Ponson in the rotation with Rasner.
Rule says three innings equals a save. Not much different than coming into the 9th with a bases loaded, 5 run lead.
Didn’t help the Rays, didn’t help the Sox. All in all a good day.
Jesus Christ Action robbed 2 HR tonight in Trenton, my friend called me from Waterfront Park he said if you saw how far he ran down that ball and the hops he had on it was amazing. Left it on my text message, Colin Curtis continues clutch hitting in the playoffs, short compact swing I got a feeling about that kid too.
let’s just hope the afternoon’s lost will be the last and only one from now to the last out of the season.
Rivera has worked once in the last 15 days, FYI
Nice to see the guys fight back and win.
Good job by the bullpen tonight.
Too bad about Boston.
One more for Trenton.
I knew we’d win tonight. When the matchups don’t favor us, we usually have a chance.
Time to replace Ponson in the rotation with Rasner.
hell NO….
Colin Curtis = Nady
mel, if we had won this afternoon as well..we would be 6.5 back.
Colin Curtis = young Ryan Church
Brandon: I was impressed by Colin Curtis in Spring Training.
didn’t Curtis created a havoc during spring training?
Coke is awesome… lefty pumping 96 MPH fastballs
Imagine if we gave him AND Tabata AND Ohlendorf for Nady? Cashman would have never bee able to show his face again lol
Brandon: I was impressed by Colin Curtis in Spring Training.
ok that answered my question. thanks rebecca for seeing the future of what i wanted to ask, lol.
Ed yeh but that was ST, he then went to AA struggled a bit, the wierd thing is big games he shows up. He has a clutch factor in him.
Marte has looked awesome as of late, he is going to be a force for us. We finally have a legit lefty specialist that make opposing manager’s think.
Imagine if we gave him AND Tabata AND Ohlendorf for Nady? Cashman would have never bee able to show his face again lol
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Are Giambi, Matsui and Damon in the line-up tomorrow? Girardi could go with Ransom 1B, Gardner/Melky in CF and one of the Giambi/Matsui/Damon trio at DH.
This is exactly why Jeter is the captain, The rest of the team has long quit while he is still there giving it his all and playing hard.
And Jeter has won more than all of these guys combined, so if anybody should be upset about missing the postseason, its him, yet he is the only one who continues to show up game in and out.
Pat, I think Girardi would give Jeter the day off tomorrow. Since Jeter is on fire, i don’t think it’s a wise idea.
It wasn’t just the two over-the-fence catches by Jackson (one against LaPorta), but, he took a two run double away from LaPorta that was hit in the gap, too, saving at least four runs.
A-Jax with a HR, robbed TWO homeruns..unreal!
Thats some athleticsm that all Yankees fans should look forward to!
imo, coke is more untouchable than hughes.
And Jeter has won more than all of these guys combined, so if anybody should be upset about missing the postseason, its him, yet he is the only one who continues to show up game in and out.
Listen man I love Jeter too but don’t say that because that’s just not true. Have you watched Jetes all years how many GIDPs and weak outs have you not seen him do this year. I commend him for now plugging his hits to chase the Gehrig record but even he looked dead this season.
“I think Girardi would give Jeter the day off tomorrow.”
If that’s not sarcasm, why? He’ll he all off season to rest.
If it is sarcasm, LOL.
Brandon: Clutch is just what we’ve needed all year.
Girardi – “I thought Siddy threw the ball great for us tonight”.
In a few years, we might actually have a decent team.
j/k
Instant improvements:
-Wang back
-Posada back (hopefully new and improved)
-Joba in rotation
-Big G-oner
-Ransom replaces Betemit
-Lots of bullpen options
-Cano reworks his swing!!
Brandon: Clutch is just what we’ve needed all year.
Rebecca defensive range in the OF would be nice too.
I think Tony Pena could evolve into a Jerry Manual-type manager… laid back, down to earth, focuses on basics and doesn’t complicate things, doesn’t have a big ego, and who the players just love playing for.
If we get off to a slow start next yr and are looking for a replacement for Joey G… Pena is undoubtedly the guy, forget Mattingly and Willie- the both of them would be disasters here.
Girardi postgame
We did alot of things right tonight….Coke has been put in alot of tough spots and has come through…Great AB by Nady and great hustle by Abreu….We just need to play the game right and respect the game….We just have to worry about what we do.
The reporter on My9 is an idiot.
Curtis has hit to the tune of .255 this year in Trenton. I think the Nady comparison is a reach.
It wasn’t just the two over-the-fence catches by Jackson (one against LaPorta), but, he took a two run double away from LaPorta that was hit in the gap, too, saving at least four runs.
GB my friend was writing text messages w/ !!!!!!!! about the catches he made this year.
Jackson + Nady in the outfield = dynasty!
Curtis has hit to the tune of .255 this year in Trenton. I think the Nady comparison is a reach.
Don’t just read his numbers, he has a short compact swing, is hitting .400 in the playoffs for Trenton and yes even Nady at his age was a .260 -270 minor league hitter. Ryan Church was a .260 minor league hitter..they are just sample sizes.
Jackson has 2 HRs, 3 doubles, 6 RBIs, and 3 walks in 6 postseason games.
The kid is a stud… just the type of player we need.
Nick,
Does 35-3 count as a rout? Oops. Still got to play the 4th.
I feel sorry for The Ohio State. But at least this will shut their fans up.
t-rock he might need one more yr. or half yr. but he’ll be in the BX next year. Also I’m telling you guys Colin Curtis pay attention to that kid.
Jackson + Nady in the outfield = dynasty!
I’ll deal Nady right now if I could. That long swing in the AL is not going to last.
The Ohio State seems to come up small vs. talented teams from the SEC and Pac-10. Arizona is losing at New Mexico, USC could be the only bright spot of the day for the Pac-10. Very bad day!
I’d deal everyone on the team– Nady, Matsui, Damon, anybody.
But one of Damon/Matsui HAS to go.
Brandon, I know, you want to trade Nady for garbage, just get that excellent player off our team!
a-jax was amazing tonight! it was soooo much fun watching him track down balls in centerfield…or left center haha. and crushing that homer was sweeeet!!!
hes gonna clean up in the arizona fall league!
Nick,
OSU drubbed my team.
The 09 draft class is awful, but 2010 is supposed to be better– thats one of the reasons I would not decline Marte’s option this year or give away Damon/Matsui. I would much rather have more picks in the 2010 draft.
And in 2010, we could have 2 picks each for Damon, Matsui, Marte, and Nady.
Brandon,
That long swing is one of the headlines on espn.com homepage.
I guy with gal pals like yours shouldn’t be threatened by a guy like Nady.
colin went 4 for 4 in the 3rd game of the NDCS last week…not bad! and i think he had the bases loaded walk that ended up giving us the go-ahead run.
Nick I wouldn’t deal him for anything. He’s a big stick that could fit in the NL or pawn him off to a desperate AL team. It’s not like I’m saying Nady for Brian Giles ..I’m saying something of substance like Nady for Jeremy Hermida or Andre Eithier something of substance in the offseason.
Is Scranton a pitchers park or pitchers park?
I know Trenton and Charleston are extreme pitcher’s parks and Tampa has YS demensions, but what about Scranton?
a-jax was amazing tonight! it was soooo much fun watching him track down balls in centerfield…or left center haha. and crushing that homer was sweeeet!!!
hes gonna clean up in the arizona fall league!
tf describe to me the 2nd one he robbed.
…Oh and Micheal Dunn tonight.
*A guy like you…
Is Scranton a pitchers park or pitchers park?
I know Trenton and Charleston are extreme pitcher’s parks and Tampa has YS demensions, but what about Scranton?
They all are, Trenton has strong currents that take the RHB power game away. That’s another reason.. Let me just say there is a reason the kids don’t hit that many HR in AA or AAA unless they catch a hanger.
Some Quotes from Ashmore – http://thunderbaseball.wordpress.com/
“You witnessed a Major League center fielder tonight,†said Thunder manager Tony Franklin.
“It doesn’t get any better than that. That’s what Major League center fielders do, they make plays like that. They make them in the park, they make them outside of the park, they make them running to the left or to the right. Deep, short. He played a heck of a game. I think you can see why people feel he’s going to be quite a baseball player at the Major League level.â€
“There are guys in the big leagues who can’t make the plays he made tonight,†Kontos said.
“I’m glad he was the guy that was out there tonight.â€
But the story of the night was Austin Jackson, and Claggett was quick to add on to the compliments for his center fielder.
“That kid’s amazing,†he said.
“You’re going to see him in the big leagues for a long time.â€
“OSU drubbed my team.”
Unless you’re talking about Youngstown St. or Ohio U, OSU then you’re talking about the past. Forget it. Just be happy that they’re getting undressed on national TV tonight.
Although if Musberger says “folks” one more time, I might have to turn it off.
…More at ThunderThoughts
Brandon, I would trade Nady too if the trade brought back a superior package. But isn’t there a part of you that just sees Nady as the guy they got for Tabata?
“tf describe to me the 2nd one he robbed.”
i believe that was the one he ran to his right for…a looong way…timed the jump PERFECT…put the glove about 3 feet above the top of the wall (at least) and pulled it back. the fence around most of the outfield (except in right) is 8 feet, then a small gap that cant be seen from the stands, then another 16 feet up or so. just has to go above the yellow line above the first 8 feet. a-jax had some serious ups on those catches!
“…Oh and Micheal Dunn tonight.”
the guy is pretty freakin solid. he comes in, all business looking and just throws some heat. i dont know how fast because i dont sit by the guns, but he can deal. and watching some of these fools swing is comical. the ball is practically in the catchers mitt by the time they decide to swing. its nice to watch the ball come in and just bottom out while they swing about 10 inches over top of it.
Nick,
Uh. We were talking about Pac 10? OSU?
Just curious, if we kept Tabata, which level would he be playing right now? And do you think that the Pirates asked for Jackson?
The damage from Ike in Houston is devastating. It’s amazing there weren’t more casualties.
Check out Mike Ashmore’s Thunder Thoughts for some quotes about A-Jax…
http://thunderbaseball.wordpress.com/
Oh, pat, that hurts to hear. I grew up in Houston and went to Galveston all the time.
I heard Minute Maid was okay, the Texans stadium was damaged, and there’s not electricity in Houston. I hope all the areas affected can recover soon.
Austin Jackson’s stats -
Jackson home – .256, 12 doubles, 1 triple, 2 HRs, (66 games)
Jackson away – .311, 21 doubles, 4 triples, 7 HRs (65 games)
Playing in Trenton killed him, He is going to tear up the AFL.
Pete Rose needs to text this Austin Jackson quote to A-rod:
Oooooooooooh, see, I said Ohio St. and you came back with OSU and I thought you meant the same team, not Oregon St. Now it all makes sense. That game is no big deal, Oregon St. was a 14 point favorite in that game. Oregon barely escaped a bad loss. Others didn’t escape.
Brandon, I would trade Nady too if the trade brought back a superior package. But isn’t there a part of you that just sees Nady as the guy they got for Tabata?
Nick I never was a fan of that deal it showed me so many undecided thoughts and conflict in this organization, the quick fix…Man to think Austin Jackson and Jose Tabata could have been in AAA next yr. instead the 2 guys that we got for them won’t be here longterm, Nady will look for big money and his swing has been exposed in the AL, Marte has one more yr. at best and then he hits FA, there is no way he is getting a longterm. There is just so many things that rubbed me wrong w/ that deal and add to it that Phil Coke was almost dealt too whoever orchestrated that move is a guy the organization needs to relieve of duties. Yes the MLB GMs is crying that you ripped off the Pirates in reality it looks like they ripped us off and nearly made grand larceny had Coke been added in this deal.
We have a centerfield prospect?
But I thought Francessa said we need to trade Hughes + for Nate McClouth to be our CF for the next 15 years?
when a-jax hit homers in trenton, they were “no doubters” over the giant wall in left field. not an easy thing to do!! pretty awesome.
Playing in Trenton killed him, He is going to tear up the AFL.
Playing in Trenton kills alot of RHBs power stroke, In Scranton LHBs power in killed. That’s why it’s so hard to see who does what the best way.
We haven’t seen Melky in so long, it was strange to see.
Girardi’s been almost…punitive. I wonder what he did. Besides suck at the plate…
Let me rephrase that
At Waterfront Park RH power is drained which is why LHB usually succeed there.
At PNC park LH power is drained which is why RHB usually succeed there.
Brandon, we’ve had this conversation about “Nady will look for big money” before, no reason to go over it again. It’s your opinion. And “his swing has been exposed in the AL” is your opinion too.
We won’t know how the trade will look in a year or two years, but it made perfect sense at the time.
how many games are in the AFL schedule and is it treated like regular where there is basically a set lineup everyday or are there different players playing all the time…im not very familiar
I like Nady, but that was a mindless trade. It proves that Cashman has no idea what he wants and he is kind of meandering along. Wasn’t this supposed to be a transition year? We didn’t have a chance to win it all this year, so why even make this trade? We were playing well too, we had just won 8 in a row coming out of the break. What we really needed was a pitcher, not a lefty reliever and a OF.
But the worst part is selling low on a player like Tabata, it shows poor judgment. We also almost lost Kontos and Coke… both of those guys can be SPECIAL bullpen arms, especially Kontos with his slider. Coke is a letfy who throws 96. Those guys were THROW INS for an average player like Nady along with Tabata.
I have nothing against Nady, if we could have gotten him for Kennedy and Melky, I would have done it yesterday… those guys are average talent who are not apart of out future. But Tabby was a 5 tool stud 19 yr old OFer on a team that desperately needs some youth and speed.
mel
most windows in dowtown Houston are blown out with glass all over the streets. They showed video of Galveston Island on the news and 3 restaurants right on the water that have been there for more than 50 years have nothing left but pylons.
the wind blows IN off the river a lot at waterfront park. the right field wall is only 8 feet high out there and that is the closest to the river.
Brandon, we’ve had this conversation about “Nady will look for big money†before, no reason to go over it again. It’s your opinion. And “his swing has been exposed in the AL†is your opinion too.
Nick it’s not an opinion he’s taking big money his FA year he’ll probably have 28 HR and 96 RBI and bat .279, scouts are already talking about his long swing, how he chases the high fastball and is suceptible to a well located breaking ball at the knees. This is where they need to sell while that stock is high in the offseason.
Nady will look for Rowand/Hunter money,,, no thanks. Boras is not giving him a discount.
He is a 6th place hitter, we need to stop overpaying for guys over 30.
If you wanted a role player, you could have had Casey blake for a lot less prospect wise and money wise.
Once again. Marte was the focus of the trade. It was basically a 2-for 1 special, as the only real player WE gave up was Tabata. Who was not thriving here.
So who do we replace Ponson with? Rasner? Alfred E. Newman? Giese?
Come on Brandon, you know better. It’s not a question of whether Nady will want to get a deal for himself, the opinion comes in when you argue — like you did– that he can’t remain a Yankee because of it.
And what makes you think that anyone is going to give us equal or better value for Nady? The flaws that you think you see, no one else sees?
pat,
Thanks for that. Looks like it’ll take a while to recover. Not as bad as Katrina, but still.
Tabata is another Cano… a lazy primadonna who is a slug. He is the type of player we need to stay away from. He even admitted the pressure ws too much here.
He would not have thrived here.
Mel Tabata was 19 yrs. old to just say he was not thriving is what gets to me, how many freaking teenagers thrive when pushed to AA, it’s rare, if he were born in the U.S. this would be his Freshman yr. in college. So many wierd moves made in that deadline if it was Cashman you best believe he’s on his way out. If it was Stick who added his 2 cents for it than something must have scared him about Tabata perhaps injury concerns all I know is the kid was rushed to AA and he struggled yet this organization quit on him and sold him low. Nady is not a player worth a Tabata he just isn’t.
Jose Tabata in the winter returns a Santana, a Liriano, a Holliday, a Ryan Howard, a Ryan Sweeney, a Rich Harden…Not a Damaso Marte/X
Any player worth anything will look for big money.
Given the chance you don’t trade for the beloved Salty? Because if he’s worth what you guys are willing to give up, he’ll be looking for big money.
“Looking for big money” can’t be a deterrent.
Tabata is another Cano… a lazy primadonna who is a slug. He is the type of player we need to stay away from. He even admitted the pressure ws too much here.
He would not have thrived here.
So a 19 yr. old in AA is labeled a primadonna because he wants to dominate that league. Even before the deal he was showing signs of breaking out, they gave up on him and sold low.
Tabata returns a Santana, a Liriano…? Wha?????
Brandon,
Tabata’s stock had dropped. You can not convince me that he would’ve brought back those players.
Gotta go to the market now.
Don’t kill me as I’m not here to defend myself.
Are we ready to dub A-Jax the second coming? The next Face of the Yankees?
I totally buy into him being that good just because it’s been that long since we had that type of young guy come up…
Tabata returns a Santana, a Liriano…? Wha?????
In the winter his name was a center piece, his stock dropped in the AA season and they sold on him at the wrong time.
Here’s the thing about Tabata: we don’t know! Did we sell low? Maybe! No one knows. He could be a superstar. He could be a decent player. He could scrape by. He could be a bust. We just don’t know! I admit it, it could look like an awful trade down the line. We don’t know!
Right now the trade worked out for us–Nady has been great, and Marte, once they figured how to use him, the same.
We might very well regret the trade but we just never know.
tabby’s numbers…
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=467798
people act like we can NEVER get tabata back if he turns out to be everything expected of him
there are players that we had in the farm, traded them, and then got them back in another trade down the line
the trade was good because that was suppossed to help us out NOW, maybe in the future maybe we will regret it, but i dont see the problem with the trade, besides the fact that even marte and nady couldnt help this sinking team
If Nady and Marte perform we can re-sign them. If we don’t re-sign them, we’ll ge draft picks back. We don’ know what Tabata will be. I’d have rather sold high and included him for Santana, but getting next year’s right fielder and a solid lefty late game option was a good trade, regardless of what Tabata becomes.
The most important thing a 19 year old in AA can be is coachable. Sounds like Tabata was showing that not to be the case with him either because he had tuned out the people who were coaching him or he wasn’t mature enough to handle the pressure/expectations. If it’s the latter, expectations weren’t going to lessen as he ascended in the organization if he ascended in the organination. That’s why expectation levels on young players is so dangerous.
Sometimes a change of scenery is the only way a player can realize their potential even if it has to happen with another organization.
i watched the my9 most game and they asked a very interesting question to the fan:
Did the Yankees underacheive this year? Or do they have less talent then people think?
i think we definatly underacheived, the 8 game winning streak after the all stra game showed us what team they were capable of being, back then we were only 3 1/2 games back out of the division
those were the good ole’ days lol
my9 post game*
pat he wasn’t disrepectful to the coachs , that’s not what happened w/ him at all. They put him in RF a new position to him, his hustle was questioned that’s all and two tiffs of frustration in the locker room where he was pulled from a game, the first one he was questioning how good he was in AA. The worst thing that happened to him was he didn’t have a Reggie Jackson to mentor him, a guy like Bernie a guy like Tony Pena..he had a translator and was seperated a bit from the team being he was the youngest. Tony Franklin spoke to him and he knows it’s not an issue of him being a quitter when he was dealt everybody was surprised in that Trenton locker room.
A collision of philosophy here is they preech getting younger and turn around and get older.
Brandon–in 20 years i’m sure we will all enjoy your best-selling biography of Tabata-The Greatest Outfielder of all Time.
brandon,
29 just turning 30 is old for you?
just asking, but your making it seem that the organization went out there and got 38 year olds, if you hapenned to be talking about pudge then yes he isnt exactly a spring chicken lol but we needed a catcher and who else was out there?
brandon,
29 just turning 30 is old for you?
He’s a career .280 hitter w/ a long swing. Can X hit in the NL yes, the AL is more advanced and he is likely going to decline. You can already see it. IDK how people are turning a blind eye to that it’s something you seriously need to observe and sell at a high price, another words learn from Billy Beane in this case.
Hello, Tabata played RF in Tampa last year. Cashman thought he could make a run this year, which is why he dealt for the Pittsburgh two and I Rod. And then Joba got hurt and the team shut it down, especially A Rod and Giambi.
Brandon you are right about Nady. Low and inside and he taps out to 3B almost constantly.
Bo Doesn’t Know Squat, explain how Rodriguez has shut it down since August?
Scott Patterson comes into the game vs. the SF Giants in the 9th inning, with the Lincecums up 6-0.
brandon,
im not saying that nady is our future because he isn’t and yess i’ve seen his slight decline
all im saying was that he was/is our now, and if we can sell high on him this winter then good but he isnt my main focus this winter
whose our center fielder?
whose our right fielder?
whose our first basman?
whose our new 2nd ace?
you have to agree that that is the priority this offseason, not nady
Brandon
I don’t think he was a quitter or didn’t have the skills. I think he was over his head and not ready to develop at the speed expected of him. Or maybe the speed he exected of himself.
Tabata may have just needed a fresh start in a place where he could learn from his mistakes this year without having to carry the baggage of them.
I hope he turns into a superstar. The Yankees will trade Pittsburgh another no miss “juvenile deliquent” for him in 6 years that you can be upset about. That’s the nice thing about the Yankees $$, they have the option of developing their own or buying their own back after someone else fully develops them.
Nick,
What the Haeger? The guy before Patterson just earned an ERA of 81.00. Patterson allowed one of those in a ground-out RBI.
I don’t understand what happened to San Diego. Is that us for the next few years?
Ha, mel, no, I do not see the Padrefication of the Yankees in our future.
28 in ’09! The optimism starts tonight!
Akron player coin Jackson Superman
source
Brandon,
Was Austin also a basketball player?
28 in ’09?
lol i think you mean 27
but i agree with the optimism!
um, I think they’ll make it count double for CC! So we’ll get 27 and 28.
Meanwhile, Lincecum just helped his case with a complete game shutout, his first ever.
Two things happened to Tabata. First of all, he hadn’t fully recovered from the surgery and he missed two chunks of two seasons where he should have been getting experience, and, two…given his age, another 2 or 3 months playing in Tampa, allowing his body and mental capacity mature a little more hurt him. He had friends on the team, but, he couldn’t go with them because of his age. He had the same problems playing in Charleston, he couldn’t go out with his team mates because of his age, he was married, had a baby and barely spoke English. He’s a nice kid, though, just painfully shy, and somewhat immature like most 17-18 year old kids are. The young Latin players are even moreso because they always had family around them.
Tabata in the winter returns a Santana? THIS winter? On what planet? IF we have a crystal ball and IF he turns out to be something special, THEN the Yankees made the wrong deal. Only time will tell.
correction: ***mature a little more wouldn’t have hurt him***
Nick,
Good, I was Padrefied at the thought!
Wow. Way to ride your young ace.
Lincecum with the complete game shutout
138 pitches. 1-3-8
mel: He was.
One interesting note on Jackson and the Yankees. The Yankees knew about Jackson years ago. They started scouting him when he was 12 years old.
Yeah, but he was below 138 until the last pitch.
I was watching at the end, he still had good stuff in the 9th inning. They don’t let him go that long all the time, I think he’ll be ok.
That is sick, 138 pitches, what is Bochy thinking?
Mel — WTH is bochy thinking? I dont like it when Pelf goes over 105…
Mel, Jackson signed a Letter Of Intent to play basketball at Georgia Tech in 2004. Illinois also wanted him to play there.
A Rod’s offense in my opinion, has been an awful lot of guessing, all the GIDP, being eaten up by sliders low and outside the strike zone, etc. Is he pressing because of Giambi? Off course, but for a man with his talent to be guessing pitches, being a poor situational hitter and swinging from the heels on a third strike, is mailing it in. I always considered A Rod a team player, the last month not so. 47 games of two runs or less. There is enough chit to go around on everyone. As to Giambi, there is little to say. 30 HRs and 90 RBI, damned if I know where they came from, You look at the individual stats of this team and they’re great, other than Cano, Melky, Molina, results very bad.
im surprised Lincecum’s arm didnt fall off hehe
do you think veteran guys get embarrassed when they strike out against a guy whose like the size of a 16 year old kid? lol
Wow so the Cubs and Stros are gonna play a game or 2 at miller park. Talk about homefield advantage for the Cubs in an “away” game
Everybody’s on base percentage, and, I mean everybody’s is 30-40 points off of their normal numbers. 70 walks may lead the team. Walks are down throughout baseball, and, especially with NYY. Giambi leads with 68 and Abreu has 65. Rodriguez just reached 60 today.
actually, Rodriguez is near his normal level at .398 for OBP.
Tabata in the winter returns a Santana? THIS winter? On what planet?
He Montero, Melancon, Betances and Jackson were untouchables this trade deadline, Minny wanted Tabata or Jackson in the deal they tried to settle for Melky but wanted more SP if they were to take that deal. Had Kennedy and Tabata been in the same deal Johan is in the Bronx. That’s why the Nady/Marte deal made little sense.
Maybe Cashman wants to be the next GM of the Pirates and he sent Tabata there to be the foundation of the future dynasty.
The thing that gets me about A Rod is that his controlled swings have disappeared this year, compared to last year. I don’t understand why he’s guessing so much. Where is his zone hitting? He is having terrible at bats.
60 walkls by A Rod, that tells you that teams don’t pitch around him. He is getting himself out.
Rodriguez has always been a guess hitter. One thing that I said about walks being down. Only one player in baseball has 100 or more walks this year. Only 6 total players are over 90. Only 15 in baseball are over 80. That’s a major reason for scoring being down. Who knows why? Is it just an anomaly? Is it the start of a trend? We’ll find out next year.
Rodriguez is getting on base as much as he always has. It’s the others who aren’t. This doesn’t take into consideration the 20 games that he’s missed that doesn’t normally happen.
Yes you guess on the first two swings, but not the third. That’s the thing I’ve noticed. I’m not a big fan of OBP, it’s an indicator, that’s all. Personally, I’d like A Rod to give himself up once in a while, maybe drop a bunt or two, as Mantle said, “That’s twenty points on you average”. Lead by example. Anyway nuff said.
Holy crap. Some absolutely amazing stuff posted on here today. I can’t believe some of the stuff I just read through. Ugh.
“Rodriguez is getting on base as much as he always has. It’s the others who aren’t. This doesn’t take into consideration the 20 games that he’s missed that doesn’t normally happen.”
Well, yeah, if you look at his OBP it is pretty good … but honestly, can you remember any point during this year where Arod carried this team the way he did last year? I cant think of any stretch during the season where he was unconscious the way he was at multiple times last year. Granted, 2007 may have been his best year as a pro and to expect him duplicate it this year was asking a lot. But the fact of the matter is, when Arod is hot the Yankees score … and the majority of the time, win.
In terms of the offense, there were far too many times over the during the year where the Yankees put runners on base and could not drive them in … especially the past 6 weeks or so. Arod and Cano were the biggest culprits. Last year, they were both RBI machines … especially Cano in the 2nd half. Arod had a pedestrian season by his standards … his numbers will look “ok” at the end of year, but they could have been far better if he had not grounded into one DP after another.
Cano has simply been a disaster and has personified that underachieving persona that has come to define this years team. It is not all his fault … but i definitely see him as the poster child for this team’s identity. Bottom line, Cano needs to grow up … either playing for us or another team next year.
“Granted, 2007 may have been his best year as a pro and to expect him duplicate it this year was asking a lot.”
Not *was* asking a lot, it IS asking a lot. Period.
“Arod had a pedestrian season by his standards … his numbers will look “ok†at the end of year, but they could have been far better if he had not grounded into one DP after another.”
I’m sorry, but in the interests of fairness and a lack of revisionism – am I alone in not recalling ARod as the person this year who was the culprit at grounding into one DP after another?