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In Game 149, Cano is disciplined

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 14, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

ph_429664.jpgJoe Girardi pulled Robinson Cano out of the game today in the fifth inning after his latest half-speed effort in the field.

“Your job is to play hard,” said Girardi, who indicated that Cano might not be in the lineup tomorrow against the White Sox.

Good for Girardi. But why did it take so long? The point needed to be made to Cano in April or May, not when it was too late to matter.

Given how well Girardi handled the youthful Florida roster in 2006, its surprising that Cano didn’t flourish this season. But that likely speaks more to the attitude of the player than the skill of the manager.

The Yankees have a problem with Cano. It’s easy to say they should trade him. But his value has never been lower than it is right now.

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184 Responses to “In Game 149, Cano is disciplined”

  1. jake September 14th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    I wouldn’t take 3 Cano’s for one Pedroia!

  2. Stephen M September 14th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    It speaks to the lack of positional depth on the roster and in the minors that Cano wasn’t sent down with Melky.

    He certainly deserved do be.

  3. darkmoonfire September 14th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Too little, too late.

    This is the story of our season. If this had been done earlier we may be making the playoffs.

    Bad managing, is a big part of where we are today.

  4. populoso September 14th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Cano has been abysmal since the Texas series in early August.

  5. Doreen September 14th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Stephen M -

    I think you are correct. There were no alternatives other than to keep putting Cano out there. I don’t know if it needed to be as drastic as sending him down, but if they could have afforded to bench him for a game or two earlier in the season, it may have had some impact.

    At least something was done now. It may be too late as far as 2008 is concerned, but in the scheme of Cano’s career, it is not too late.

  6. Zooboy September 14th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Barn door slammed! Phew!

  7. Newark Bears September 14th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    I am disgusted that we are just letting Boston have the division and an easy road to the superbowl.

    They’ll steal a game or two in Anaheim and Lackey, Shields, and K-Rod will turn into pumpkins in Fenway like they always do. Great, get ready for another parade in Boston.

  8. you gotta have faith (i miss posada)(phil coke is awesome) September 14th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    i agree with the whole too little too late, but i dont agree that just by benching cano we would have made the playoffs, thats just a silly statement

    but we should see this as joe FINALLY getting comfortable with his position and is now willing to sit players when they deserve to be sat, i just cant beleibe it took him so long to actually do it

  9. JR September 14th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    The YES crew speculated Cano was hurt reaching for Ransom’s wuss throw earlier. Did they ever address or at least consider this actual reason? I didn’t see the whole game

  10. YankeesBen September 14th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    I like that move, but why today? was there something i missed?

  11. RalphieD September 14th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    yes they did JR…later on

  12. you gotta have faith (i miss posada)(phil coke is awesome) September 14th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    JR

    yeah they figured either he hurt himself or that joe took him out because he didnt like the play he made

  13. DFox September 14th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    “and is now willing to sit players when they deserve to be sat, i just cant beleibe it took him so long to actually do it”

    Yeah right. If Girardi benches A-Rod the next time he goes into his homerun trot on a ball that stays in the park, I’ll wire you all the money in my bank account.

    Benching Cano is just SO easy. Let’s see him bench A-Rod, Jeter, or anyone else. Because you know what? I can remember some fly balls that dropped in where Jeter was dogging it. Do I blame Jeter? No, because it happens. But if he’s going to bench Cano, then he has to be ready to do it to Jeter and A-Rod.

  14. Doreen September 14th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Yankees Ben -

    I get the feeling this was Joe Girardi’s last resort with Cano. He’d probably talked with him til he was blue in the face. Tried other ways. This is what was left. My opinion, obviously.

  15. aado September 14th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Send him to Scranton. Let him play in the Triple-A championship game and then let him go home.

  16. TeKNetick September 14th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    I see the Jets are still the Jets

  17. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing September 14th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Cano is still young enough, and its early enough in his career for it to make a difference.

    Perhaps this is Girardi trying a different approach with him. Better late than never, I say.

  18. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing September 14th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Cano is still young enough, and its early enough in his career for it to make a difference.

    Perhaps this is Girardi trying a different approach with him. Better late than never, I say.

  19. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing September 14th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    ack, sorry about the double post.

  20. you gotta have faith (i miss posada)(phil coke is awesome) September 14th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    DFox

    the day joe sits arod or jeter for something they do is the day pigs learn to fly

    what i meant was people have wanted him to sit cano for something hes done for a while now, and he finally did it, but it really doesnt matter what he does at this point with 4th place looking like our final stop

  21. black tankee September 14th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    I was at the game today and I thought Cano came out because of injury. The trainers came out to check him and then an inning later Cano was out. I wasnt sure if that was related.

    It is too little too late

  22. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing September 14th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Sure it matters.

    It says not hustling or lacking concentration won’t be tolerated – no matter what place they are in the standings.

  23. darkmoonfire September 14th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    “but i dont agree that just by benching cano we would have made the playoffs, thats just a silly statement”

    It’s not silly. You have to understand that managing one situation has consequences. Benching Cano sends a message to the whole team. In Cano’s case it probably considerably raises morale.

    There’s been stuff leaked that several players — at least — who were tired of Cano’s attitude.

    I guarantee you there were players in the clubhouse who were really happy to see this happen today.

    By benching Cano earlier, you’d have a happier team for longer — it’s thus by no means silly that this team would have overall performed better, and may well have made the playoffs as a result.

    Again, BAD MANAGEMENT, is the cause of much of our problems this season. Both Cashman and Girardi are guilty, or perhaps Cashman ultimately, since he’s responsible for Girardi.

  24. Brad September 14th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Girardi saw periods of Cano’s lackadaisical play last year from the YES booth and one of the 1st issues the new manager should have addressed was to tell Cano in the spring that he expected heads up enthusiastic play game in and game out.
    He let it linger until the season was lost. Girardi’s bad, plain and simple. He may have cost the ream a good trading chip because of it.

  25. Tucker September 14th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    It’s easier to bench Cano w/the expanded roster in September. Girardi had one backup infielder the entire season — Wilson Betemit. Now he has more options.

    You would think that Cano would learn how to play ball the right way. Just seeing him on the same field as Jeter today only punctuates the fact that, despite his talent, Cano doesn’t have much heart.

  26. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing September 14th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Bad playing on the field is responsible, and that is not directly tied to managing.

  27. Second Base Yankee Stadium September 14th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Much as I would like to blame the manager for not properly motivating his players, Girardi has been in an awful situation this year. A team full of millionaires, talented as they are, who don’t seem terribly amenable to coaching. After all, if they were good enough to get the big contracts, what more should they do? How do you discipline Cano for poor effort, when others are just as guilty–albeit not quite so regularly? I agree, Joe just couldn’t take anymore. I also suspect he is under orders to get some return on investment out of some of the others, in terms of playing them everyday, before they depart. Cano’s response seems to indicate he knew this was coming.

  28. Nick in SF September 14th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    The comparison between Cano and Jeter/Arod is silly. Yes, both of them have occasional lapses, as no player displays maximum effort every play. But their lapses are anamolous of their overall effort and history. With Cano, not the case.

  29. met maniac September 14th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    I was at the game and it was nice to see Alex figure or impact a win by the yankees. I cant remember when the last time he impacted in a win. I wonder how many game winning hits he has this year? I`m guessing he would be around the bottom half of the team in gmae winning hits
    Thats part of the problem, your best hitters need to win games for you. The Yankees 4 and 5 hitters should have 125 + rbis with the great table setters they have and all the guys they leave on base.
    25 more RBI might be the difference in 6 or 7 wins

  30. TeKNetick September 14th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    What was the prognosis on Pavano? Will he make his next start?

  31. joe m September 14th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Where are all the Brett Favre lovers of a week ago. This is the jets they are only 8-8 when all is said an done

  32. mel September 14th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Lol. This is breaking news. I hope that Cano learns to play more aggressively. Make things happen.

  33. GreenBeret7 September 14th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Cano is hardly the reason that the Yankees are in 4th place. He’s not the reason that Damon, Jeter, Rodriguez, Giambi and the rest have gone into prolonged slumps. He’s not responsible for his protection in the batting order for most of the year has been Cabrera and Molina. He is responsible for taking at bats into the field and his fielding to the plate, though. It’s something he has to separate.

  34. Patrick Bateman September 14th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Its Robbie Cano, dont cha know!

  35. Tucker September 14th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    I think the comparison between Cano and Jeter is very apt. There just really aren’t many examples of Jeter dogging it. The guy busts it day in, day out. He has made a career of such hustle. Could you see Cano sprinting across the field to be in position for the famous flip play? …

  36. darkmoonfire September 14th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    “Much as I would like to blame the manager for not properly motivating his players, Girardi has been in an awful situation this year. A team full of millionaires, talented as they are, who don’t seem terribly amenable to coaching.”

    No-one said managing was easy. Managing the Yankees is probably harder than most teams. However, the job of the manager is to find a way to motivate his team (in anything not just baseball). Girardi was obviously a poor choice for the job, as he’s clearly consistently failed to do this job well.

    But you are right, that’s not really his fault — it’s Cashman’s for appointing Girardi manager — he did not have the experience, and he did not have the coaches with experience to back him.

  37. pat September 14th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    I had no problem with Girardi pulling Cano from the game but I had a big problem with how the postgame went down.

    This was definitely not the same attitude from the manager who got into a fight with Joel Sherman by declaring that conversations he has are between him and his players in 4 different tones. Not using the same answer when being asked today about Cano being taken from the game frustration on the managers part and nothing more. The way he said “there is nothing physically wrong with Robbie”, was begging the follow up of is something not physically wrong.

    The questions of Robbie were more punitive and mean spirited than informative. And was asking for Mariano’s take on it really necessary?

    So much for Girardi’s rule from spring training that the team is family and we always have each others backs. While his intention may not have been to embarass a player, I’m guessing that wasn’t the result achieved no matter what Robbie said about being okay with Girardi pulling him.

  38. Zooboy September 14th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    How much patience has Joe had with Cano (not benching him earlier) because he’s trying to mask the mistake Cashman made in giving Can?No! that fat contract? Cashman’s two big moves in the off season were to handpick his manager and lock up Can?No!

  39. Sea Net September 14th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Good for Girardi… he has really done a good job for the past few weeks as a manager…. too bad we are out of it.

  40. Dr. J September 14th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Is anyone watching this Broncos-Chargers game? this is one hell of a game.

  41. JR September 14th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Thanks Ralphie and faith

  42. nick September 14th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    For the guy that said A Rod hasn’t contributed to wins,

    He actually leads the team in go ahead hits, and 2nd on the team in go ahead RBI’s.

    And he’s hit near .300 with RISP since he came off the DL. The numbers are skewed overall since he opened the season 3-20 with RISP.

  43. randy l September 14th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    i wouldn’t trade cano for pedroia. cano is the better player. at some point the league will take pedroia more seriously and he’ll be pitched differently. i think he simply needs to be challenged up and in and to be knocked off of the plate. his size makes that almost seem unsportsmanlike conduct, but he needs to be knocked back. it’s as simple as that. if he wasn’t so small, it would have already happened.

    cano just needs some good coaching.it wouldn’t hurt to be by coaches who were better than he is . all these journeymen coaches the yankees have just don’t have the clout to get in a good player’s face.

    even girardi was not really a good player.

  44. black yankee September 14th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    The guy batting seventh is not a reason why the team underachieved. For the most part he has made mistakes, probably as many as everyone has. He has not hit, no question. Defensively?? I think he was strong except for a few really bad lazy plays. Hes not a 32 year old superstar either, so I cut him some slack. I think Girardi should have dealt with it sooner as well. Lets not make Cano the seasons scape goat. He bats 7th not 3,4, 5

  45. geO [Mickie James Roast Beef] September 14th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Robbie Cano is the least of the Yankees problems, a couple of bad games and a dreadful first half shouldn’t characterize Cano just yet.

    He still has great potential and that’s what the NY media is not reflecting on.

    Cano = perhaps the next Soriano

  46. bruce September 14th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Newark Bears :

    it will be tough for boston to win it all unless they get home field and don’t count out any team,there are some good teams with deep pitching in the nl not to mention tampa,angels,chicago,minnesota.

  47. RSM September 14th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    “It’s easier to bench Cano w/the expanded roster in September. Girardi had one backup infielder the entire season — Wilson Betemit. Now he has more options”

    Not really true. I recall being frustrated that Cano wasn’t benched several times when the Attorney General was with the team. He could have played a solid second base for a game or two.

  48. Only umps on the take hate instant replay. September 14th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    even girardi was not really a good player.

    yeah… but Girardi respected his manager… Joe Torre.

  49. bruce September 14th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Second Base Yankee Stadium :

    good point.they don’t seem very coachable.it is like they are allowed to just go out and do whatever they wan’t and the few players that do need the coaching like cano are lost in the mix with no direction.

    i would make cano play winter ball and then trade him.

    this team needs to be stripped down and rebuilt,a whole new outfield,first baseman,catcher,second baseman and some pitching.

    it looks like the pitchers are getting the coaching and the position players are being neglected.

  50. C Boyer September 14th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    I’d like to flash back a year and see how mant of you GMs wanted to trade Cano. Put him on the block and the line of other teams coming to pull the yanks pants down would be longer than the line for opening day tickets next year.

  51. Go Getter September 14th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    The Yanks have 2 position players under 30 who play everyday. And you want to trade the one who plays 2b and has been an all star? You better get back a Billingsley or a Greinke or a Cain.

  52. Yankee Trader September 14th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Go Getter-
    It’ll take a little more than Cano to get Billingley, but he’d be worth it. Could sign a FA 2nd baseman for a year[Eckersley?] until the FA’s available in 2010 become available-Roberts, Polanco, DeRosa.

    The real key this offseason will be to sign two quality FA starters, so we can trade some of our pitching prospects for young athletic position players.

  53. george September 14th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Yogi Berra as a young player once got brutally chastised by the vet Yankee players because he didn’t hustle in some situation or other. imagine if they had dumped Yogi around 1947-8 ‘cuz of that!

    it would be insane to sell low on Cano.

  54. Briantrust September 14th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Cano isn’t going anywhere…yet. I see a coaching staff shakeup coming this off-season, and wouldn’t be suprised to see some coaches come up through the organization to work with the young players.

  55. Trade CANO! September 14th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Pedroia has something Cano will never have…and thats “HEART”.

    Ill take heart over “over-rated talent” anyday of the week.

  56. bruce September 14th, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Briantrust:

    how do you know cano won’t be traded?

    did cashman tell you?

  57. CanIGetAMooseCall September 15th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    Yanks need to bring Bowa back to coach ASAP.

  58. Jeff September 15th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Girardis biggest mistake: telling Bowa to take a hike so he can keep his buddy Meachem.

  59. Yanksgal07 September 15th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    I’ve watched Jeter from the onset of his career and I can honestly say that I have NEVER seen Jeter do anything but give 110% To say he ever “dogged it” is the silliest statement I have ever read. Maybe there were times he should have sat out due to injuries but even then he always gave his all. Whether you like him or not I don’t think anyone could ever say he wasn’t the ultimate team player. It’s been team first for Jeter his whole career by trying to give the best of himself at all times so please think before you type next time.

    Go Yankees !!!!

  60. ZMAN7777 September 15th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Robbie has 30 million cushions to soften this latest blow. Still there’s no choice but to keep him, given that there are so many more pressing holes to fill, as well as the fact that his value has plummeted.

  61. zellyanks91 September 15th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    I like Cano..and I wouldn’t trade him. If he didn’t have that horrible start to the season..and his stats looked different we wouldn’t be having this conversation. He is very talented and has so much potential. It’s not like he is hitting .200. He set a huge hole for himself..and its hard to dig yourself out once his average got so low. I am not happy with his performance of late, and it’s about time they did something about it. Trust me..if he got traded…and he turned into a superstar..it will drive you crazy.

    Kevin

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