Game 150: White Sox at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 15, 2008 
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YANKEES (79-70)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady DH
Ransom 2B
Moeller C
Gardner CF
Aceves RHP
WHITE SOX (83-65)
Cabrera SS
Wise LF
Dye RF
Thome DH
Ramirez 2B
Pierzynski C
Griffey CF
Swisher 1B
Uribe 3B
Buehrle RHP
Alfredo Aceves (1-0, 1.29) has not faced any of the Chicago hitters.
Mark Buehrle (13-11, 3.88) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: Joe Girardi is sitting Cano for not hustling yesterday. … The White Sox figure to be a bit tired, having played a doubleheader in Chicago last night. … Chicago has a 1.5-game lead on the Twins in the AL Central. … The Yankees start the day 10 games out of first and nine games behind in the wild card. The Red Sox face the Rays in Tampa. … The Yankees are 2-1 on the homestand with seven games left.
CAPTAINS COURAGEOUS: Derek Jeter is 9 of 11 with four runs scored on the homestand and is 12 of 19 in his last five games, raising his batting average from .295 to .306. He has hit safely in 12 of the last 13 games.
MORE JETER: In case you missed it, he needs one more hit to have 1,270 in his career. That would be the most in the history of Yankee Stadium. He is tied with Lou Gehrig. What maybe you did not know is that Jeter needs four ABs to have 8,000 in his career. That would tie him with Gehrig for second place in team history. The leader is Mickey Charles Mantle with 8,102. Jeter also is four RBI short of 1,005, which would tie him with Bob Meusel for 10th place on the team rolls.
HOW LOW CAN CANO GO: He was benched yesterday for a lack of hustle. But Robinson Cano shouldn’t play, period. He is 4 of his last 25 with no runs scored or RBI. He has not walked in 89 plate appearances dating back to Aug. 20. He is hitting .260/.294/.396.
RUN, RUN RUNAWAY: The Yankees have scored 719 runs. They’re on a pace for 782. They scored 969 last season.
SENDING A MESSAGE: Melky Cabrera was called back up on Sept. 5. He has not had an at-bat since.
JOSE CAN YOU GET AN OUT: Jose Veras in his last 16 appearances: 14.1 innings, 17 hits, 10 earned runs, 9 walks, 16 strikeouts. His ERA has soared from 2.54 to 3.54. Veras has thrown a strike in 157 of his last 272 pitches.
EDWAR, WHAT IS HE GOOD FOR?: In his last 18 appearances Edwar Ramirez has pitched 15 innings and given up 14 earned runs on 15 hits and nine walks.
BRUNEY BATTLES: Now that he’s over his dreaded Lisfranc injury, Brian Bruney has been lights out. In his last 13 appearances he has thrown 14 innings and allowed two runs on five hits while striking out 12 and walking four.
GET OUT OF THE WAY: Mariano Rivera has 478 saves. He is tied with big Lee Smith for second place all-time. Trevor Hoffman is first with 552.
ALFREDO’S DAY: Alfredo Aceves, the 32-year-old 25-year-old right-hander from Mexico will be making his first start at the Stadium. He beat the Angels on Tuesday, allowing one run over seven innings.
BRICKTOWN SHOWDOWN UPDATE: Scranton has named Ian Kennedy to start the Triple-A title game against Sacramento on Tuesday in Oklahoma City. The winner-take-all game will be on ESPN2.
Back later with some updates.
UPDATE, 4:34 p.m.: Francisco Cervelli was called up today along with Humberto Sanchez. … Austin Jackson is here but will not be on the roster. He will get an MRI on his sore back tomorrow. “I think I’m fine,” he said. “They want to make sure.”
A-Jax is headed for the Arizona Fall League. I didn’t get a chance to talk to him for long. But he was thrilled about the EL title and being the MVP. “We had a great group of guys,” he said. “It just made me want to work harder.”
Jackson is really committed to baseball and could blossom into a major, major prospect next season. It’ll be interesting to see how he does in Arizona.
UPDATE, 4:37 p.m.: Joe Girardi has apparently had an epiphany. His pre-game press conference was the best one he has had all season. He talked openly and honestly about benching Cano, Joba, the clubhouse, Posada, etc.
Unfortunately, with my regular laptop being repaired I don’t have the ability to post the audio. But watch the YES pregame.
Hopefully this is a sign that Joe realizes that his style with the media wasn’t working and he’s willing to say what he really thinks. It’s important for the manager, especially in New York, to have credibility. Whether you like the media or not, we’re a conduit to the fans and what the manager says and how he says it is important.
The highlights of what he said:
On Cano: “We don’t want what happened yesterday to happen again. Obviously, Robbie’s had a year that has been difficult on him. He’s a guy who’s used to hitting .300 and being successful. … You have to figure out how to play the game the same way no matter what the result is. There was just no effort after the ball (on Sunday). … That there was no effort on the ball is what really upset me.”
On Joba: “It’s something we’re going to discuss during the offseason but we envision him as a starter.”
UPDATE, 4:47 p.m.: Girardi said Jorge Posada was free to have an opinion on Joba. He’s right about that. Posada talked with writers today when he was in Manhattan for the YES taping.
I think many of us, media included, have underestimated the impact of Posada’s absence this season. Not just the fact that he is one of the best catchers in the game, but that he is an opinionated, emotional guy. The writers would not have been around to see it, but I believe Posada would have jacked Cano up about two months ago.
But when a guy is hurt, he cant really be that kind of leader.
UPDATE, 5:04 p.m.: It sounds like Matsui might be shut down soon so he can have surgery on his left knee. This is the third straight game he has been out of the lineup.
UPDATE, 6:10 p.m.: Edwar Ramirez had his suspension reduced to two games, which he will start serving tonight. He was originally suspended for three games back on July 31. Nice to see that MLB believes in the right to a speedy trial.
UPDATE, 7:15 p.m.: This is neat. Cardinals manager Tony La Russa is at the game tonight. His team is off today. He told reporters in St. Louis that he wanted to see the Stadium one more time.
La Russa spoke to a group of cadets at West Point today and then attended the game as a guest of White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, his old boss. La Russa was accompanied by retired Gen. Hal Moore, who marched into Yankee Stadium as a cadet.
For you history buffs, Moore was the U.S. commander at the Battle of Ia Drang on November 14–16, 1965, in Vietnam. He received a Distinguished Service Cross which is the second highest military decoration of the United States Army. The fierce battle was the subject of the film We Were Soldiers and the book We Were Solders Once … And Young written by Moore and Joe Galloway. It’s an excellent book, by the way.
UPDATE, 7:49 p.m.: Derek needs a day game. He’s never going to get a hit with 10,000 people shooting off flashbulbs every time he swings.
UPDATE, 8:24 p.m.: That right there is what Gardner needs to do. Now he needs to steal second and score on a single. That is how he can help this team long term.
UPDATE, 8:28 p.m.: The countdown lever was pulled by several beat writers, long-time official scorer Bill Shannon and radio man Ed Lucas. They asked me to do it and I passed. It would have been hypocritical to rip the thing all season long and then participate.
since Melky is not playing, then what was the point to call him back up for?
oh no Fatcessa read the Posada article as well
FOr late defense or pinch run
I think the Yanks can find better replacements for Veras & Ramirez.
he came in to play right yesterday when they took out Giambi – Nady went to first
cano should not get another start all year. let him enter the offseason with a bad taste in his mouth, maybe that’ll make him work
eek @ bottom 3rd
LOL Pete get up to speed!
The biggest news of the day in Posada doing his best Damon impression and opening his big fat mouth again.
EDWAR, WHAT IS HE GOOD FOR?
Keep Mo entertained in the bullpen? My second guess was absolutely nothing.
I didnt know that Scranton had more games? Will this be their last? Or is their a minor league world series?
“I think the Yanks can find better replacements for Veras & Ramirez.”
I think they will and one of them will be Melancon.
Great headers today, Pete!
“cano should not get another start all year. let him enter the offseason with a bad taste in his mouth, maybe that’ll make him work.”
Amen. To think that Soriano was shipped for swinging at air in the playoffs. Maybe Cash can work his magic and get Pujols like he did for Sori. O.k. maybe not. But im glad Girardi is still asking for this team to lay it all out this year. This is where you find out what these guys are made of. When there isnt anything to play for.
yeah better late then never, hopefully Cano learns his lesson but if they can make a good trade for him, I think they will have to do it. As far as melky goes him and IPK are as good as gone also. I think Melancon and maybe sanchez will replace veras and ramirez, we shall see. It would be nice to see Humberto pitch here now and also Franchise Phil, hopefully he can end on a high note.
oh no Fatcessa read the Posada article as well
I know. Here we go again.
Unless there is something going on that we’re not privy to, every at bat Brett Gardner gets at Melky’s expense is a waste of time. Why the Yankees dont let Melky prove that he learned something during his demotion is a mystery. At the very least, it diminishes his trade value. What we do know is the trade value of Brett Gardner is a bag of bats.
Lilly with 6 no hit innings…1 walk and 7 strikeouts.
After a 5 minute injury delay on the second batter who gets hurt on an 0-2 pitch, Ausmus smokes a liner to center and Edmonds makes a diving catch to save the no hitter. Great catch.
Babe Ruth Post Season Stats:
3 Games started as a pitcher: 3-0, 0.87 era, 31 innings pitched.
41 world series games: 126ab, .326, 15hr, 33rbi.
Imagine the arguments people would get into over Ruth today. Should he pitch? Should he Hit? Man, it would make the Joba arguments seem silly…..
Ouch. Hard smash to Ramirez, could have been scored a hit, but, scored an error. Official scorer took about 1 minute to make up his mind
Official Scorer supporting the cause apparently
Drive 4-5 good point. I think its simple why. Gardner has more raw speed running back to the dugout than Melky after being K’d. Bottom line. We need to looke for a center fielder in the offseason. Still say try a Dejesus. Shouldnt cost much.
I think Jorge’s points are quite valid. Tendonitis at this stage of a pitcher’s career is a warning sign, and Joba’s violent action may very well be a deterrent to him being a starter long term. I would love for him to be a starter, but it might not be prudent.
One thing that is definitely not prudent is any strategy that will have Joba both starting and relieving in 2009.
If he has to be in the pen, at least the Yankees can tell would be FA starting pitchers they will pitch in front of a spectacular bullpen headed up by Rivera, Joba, Marte, Bruney and rising stars Melancon and Coke. That also frees up potential trading chips of Veras (there’d be a ton of interest), Edwar, Britton, JB Cox, Giese, Albaladejo, Robertson and more.
“Unless there is something going on that we’re not privy to, every at bat Brett Gardner gets at Melky’s expense is a waste of time. Why the Yankees dont let Melky prove that he learned something during his demotion is a mystery. At the very least, it diminishes his trade value. What we do know is the trade value of Brett Gardner is a bag of bats.”
Nothing Melky does these last two weeks will increase his trade value. I think the greater value is the lesson he will learn that you have to earn your playing time. Gardner may not have the most talent, but he is playing hard. Maybe Melky will get the message.
No offense to history or the Cubs but I’m praying the Astros get a hit. They do not need to get embarrassed like that especially after the hurricane gave them this so called home field advantage.
Hit by Loretta, no outs in the bottom of the 7th.
Yeah!!! Mark Loretta with the legit hit.
Has any team had back to back no hitters in history?
They should change the Error to a hit too, eventually. Now that it doesn’t matter.
mel asked: “Is it Pac-10’s year for the Hawaii Bowl?”
I think the current deal is that the Pac-10 is automatically slotted for the Hawaii Bowl if it has enough bowl-eligible teams. Which could be an issue, this year…
Thank God.
Back to Georgy.. just play ball and run the locker room don’t overdue it w/ dictating what should be done w/ a player. Also newsflash he’s been a SP since college. Jesus too many players yapping on this.
86w183
September 15th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I think Jorge’s points are quite valid. Tendonitis at this stage of a pitcher’s career is a warning sign, and Joba’s violent action may very well be a deterrent to him being a starter long term. I would love for him to be a starter, but it might not be prudent.
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At what stage? Every pitcher has some form of tendonitis at some stage, and, usually more than once. It’s an irritation…not a tear.
Babe should have done both!
I remember insisting on that when posting on http://www.roaringtwentiesyankees.com
SoS27…never happened.
Nick,
I think that it was on a CUSA/CUSA/Pac-10 cycle. But I think they were going to change it to alternating years. The irony? CUSA has some decent teams this year. Tulsa and East Carolina. They’re no USC, but neither is Cal. Just kidding!
Jorge’s not a doctor, but he plays one on YES TV!
Brandon,
Are you criticizing the “true” captain? Shock!
One hit, but shutout still intact. Mel, Soto, by the way has another homer (2 Run job)
GB 7—-
Yup, and the younger the problem appears the greater the concern in my mind. It’s more than an irritation, it’s a warning sign.
If we had access to the truth about what Dr. Andrews et al told him about his shoulder the argument/debate would go by the wayside. I think most serious observers (and we both qualify) agree that he should be a starter unless there is a legit physical reason for him not to be one. I don’t know if there is one, but I am suspicious.
GB I think now that the season is lost, we have players trying to play GM and that can’t continue. I think now people are seeing the after effects of players given money speaking too much on what to do. I mean no offense to Georgy but SHUT UP ! When this 25 man roster understand you are players, you play on the field consult each other when it comes to Joba Chamberlain or any other future SP who starts out the BP …SHUT UP !
S.o.S.27, No team has ever pitched back to back no-nos. However, in 1968 no-hitters were thrown in back to back games durring a series involving two teams. The Giants Gaylord Perry No-hit the Cards. The next day St. Louis’s Ray Washburn No-hit the Giants.
These veterans talking about where Joba should be is getting quite annoying. Earlier in the year half the team or so it seemed gave their opinion and thought it would be a bad move (Damon/Giambi). When Joba was dominating and pitching like a number 1 those same veterans were no where to be found and all of a sudden it looked like a brilliant move.
I would have loved to heard from Posada about Joba should be in the pen around the time Joba was dominating. Likely would have been a different tone.
Players should play and leave the decision making to the GM/front office.
I hope the Rays sweep Boston and hope the Yanks sweep Chicago, at least win 3/4. I hope the ghosts of the legendary will give them the miracle to go on a massive winning streak.
Are you criticizing the “true†captain? Shock!
Mel I’ve never ever had any beef w/ him until today. Ofcourse someone has to remind Georgy you are a player, not personel.
LaTroy and is “0.00 ERA” pitching. He looks great in red. And he’s wearing Nady’s number. The other one must’ve scarred him.
Houston crew said there was a no-no on one day and another one on the second half of a DH the next day. B2B days, not games.
Brandon, I disagree with Posada, but, like everyone on this board, he has a right to his opinions, but, it could lead to a lot of discord, and that’s not good.
I’m listening to Mad Dog’s show on Mad Dog Radio on Sirius 123. Not too bad. Some good guests, just had Torre on.
Cathers usually make the best managers.
“S.o.S.27, No team has ever pitched back to back no-nos. However, in 1968 no-hitters were thrown in back to back games durring a series involving two teams. The Giants Gaylord Perry No-hit the Cards. The next day St. Louis’s Ray Washburn No-hit the Giants.”
Wow. Talk about giving them a taste of their own medicine. Good read. Thanks.
As of now, there is no alternating schedule, just the provision that the Pac-10 has to have enough bowl-eligible teams to send one to Hawaii.
Isn’t it unseemly for Jorge to be going after Cashman’s job before the season is even over? Who does he think he is, Gary Carter?
What’s next? Is Po gonna wanna be on this “advisory committee” that Hank wants to put together.
That’s my problem w/ it GB. It’s no knock but did he have to broadcast to the world I would put him in the BP. My god..
Damon, Giambi, Moose… Posada now ? What do they all got in common GUARANTEED MONEY AND JUST CAN’T SHUT UP ! My god Georgy of all I would never have guess you to be a mole to the media. Just embarrassing to read all these type of quotes especially now.
Dennis from the Bronx
I agree with you that Gardner plays hard and Melky ( and his buddy Cano) should learn from Gardner’s example. But I think your assuming Melky is in the Yankees ’09 plans. IMO, he’s not.
Melky is a legit 4th outfielder in the majors. He could start on some teams ( Colorado,Houston, Oakland). If he’s not in the Yankees plans, it would be in their best interest to have brought him up and play him. If he got hot for 3 weeks, it could only have helped.
i like jorge as a player but it is not his job to publicly say what he feels a player’s role should be….thats girardi and/or cashman/ownership decision along with joba to some degree decision..posada should just hope hes healthy enough to play next year
Nick,
Did you read the Jorge article at espn? He’s stumping for one of the Big 3 free agent pitchers. And he says some disparaging things about Pedro.
Kay knows that Jorge won’t hold back anything. He must’ve been rubbing his hands in glee.
Pete,
Are you saying there are rumors out there about Aceves’s age? I hadnt heard that before. Hopefully you’re just kidding.
I love how some fans think they can say whatever they want about the team. However, when a player, and a respected one at that, offers an opinion (possibly, a more informed opinion than that of any fan), he gets ripped.
Why is that?
Is Jorge Posada now not entitled to have an opinion on a team he has given his heart and soul to?
I’ll take 25 Posada’s, giving honest answers to honest questions, any day of the week. You can disagree with his point of view without feeling the need to rip him.
Why do so many people discount the possibility that Joba Chamberlain may not be able to physically hack it as a starter?
Obviously, if it was a perfect world, he should be a starter.
However, as 86 correctly points out, what if Andrews told him (or suggested) that its risky business for him to starter?
Do you think the Yankees would make that info public? Of course they wouldn’t. Nor would Joba.
Should he still start if he its risky to his long term health?
His health will determine his future. If, like Papelbon, it is in his best interest to stay in the bullpen, that’s where he will reside.
What’s undeniable is, he has has quite a few injuries for such a young guy. Injuries that caused his draft stock to drop and injuries that have cut short this season.
We act as if we KNOW he only had tendinitis. Fact is, we don’t KNOW that. We know what the Yankees told us he had.
Sorry but, given the Yankees history of being less than candid in their public announcements re: injuries, I’m not drinking the Yankees Kool Aid.
Its going to be interesting to see what happens this off-season with Joba. While I would love to see him be able to start, its imperative the Yankees don’t screw this up.
This is one kid who is a franchise maker, whether its in the bullpen or in the rotation. He isn’t if they screw this up.
That’s why they can’t be wrong on this one.
They can be wrong on Melky Cabrera, Brett Gardner, Ian Kennedy, and Robinson Cano. They can even be wrong about Phil Hughes, although I think Hughes will eventually be a solid major league starting pitcher.
They can’t be wrong about Joba Chamberlain.
They better make up their minds in this off-season as to what to do with him and stick to it. If he can only give you 100 healthy innings a year, he belongs in the bullpen.
If they believe he can do better than that? He belongs in the rotation.
Only problem is, he hasn’t shown the ability to stay healthy in college, or in his brief pro career, to go more than 100 or so healthy innings a season.
IMO, that has to play into the equation as to where they eventually settle on his role with the team.
I dont mind Posada voicing his opinion anymore than I did Goose Gossage voicing his. I assume both of them know more about Joba’s situation and what’s best suited for the Yankees than I do.
As for Melancon, Sanchez, et al doing wondrous things for the Yanks in ’09 I say let the proof be in the pudding. How ’bout if they complete a major league inning or 2 before we annoint them the answer. SJ44 hit the nail on the head earlier. Didnt we learn anything from last winter?
This thing is looking closer to needing to be torn down and rebuilt we can’t have players w/ longterm contracts dictating what front office moves must be done, this is the thing w/ vets they think they have majority say in what happens here.
Yeah, I read it. Pretty silly, talking about Joba’s body type. What does that even mean? I might turn my Posada bobblehead around for tonight’s game, as punishment.
SJ,
That’s a two-way street. What if Mo said, “We don’t know if Jorgie’s shoulder’s going to hold up. I think he’s better suited at 1B because there’s less stress on the shoulder.”
Within his right by your definition, but does that make it right? I don’t think that Jorge would appreciate anyone saying that.
It’s just like someone giving you advice on how to raise their own kids, it’s irritating.
To the more interesting thing about the Jorge comments is whether or not he will address it more with the beat writers rather than an appearance on Centerstage. Not sure if he is coming to the game today or if he makes himself available to reporters but he has a right to say whatever he wants but the beat should have the same opportunity to wuestion him on this as Kay did on the show for YES
SJ44,
I was typing my post the same time you were. lol
You’re right. I too like the fact that Posada is showing some interest and is being honest.
Irritating and none of their business.
Posada has said this stuff for two years. What’s the big deal?
You think the guy hasn’t said this to Cashman?
This is only “news” today because ESPN runs the story.
He has said this stuff for two years.
He’s not trying for anybody’s job. Nor is he being a bad “soldier”. He’s offering an opinion, which he is entitled to have.
If you don’t agree with it, that’s fine.
Fans want players to say what’s on their minds and not give Derek Jeter stock quotes. Yet, when they do, and it happens not to coincide with their views, fans rip the guy.
Don’t be a sports fan hypercrite. You want to hear opinions from players? Well, don’t expect them to fall in line with your thinking all the time.
Not playing and watching the team struggle is KILLING Posada this year. Frankly, if it killed more players like its killing him, they wouldn’t be in this spot.
He’s offering an opinion as to how he sees the best way Joba fits into a winning role on the team.
In the grand scheme of things, what he says isn’t going to dictate what the Yankees do with Joba.
That said, discounting the opinion of a guy who is an all star catcher, and act as if he has no idea about pitching, ain’t exactly smart.
Like anything else, you take in all the information from informed parties and try and make the best possible judgment with any player when these issues arise.
Just getting behind the numbers: Three of those Edwar appearances were against the Angels. 11 R in 1 2/3 innings vs. the Angels. Against the rest, it’s 13 1/3 IP, 3 runs. Edwar has a 4.05 ERA. Take away the Angels and it’s 2.26. Just saying and giving “the rest of the story.”
Oops. *raising your own kids.
Give Joba a shot in the rotation if he get injuired so be it at least we tried than you put him in the bullpen
“Cervelli was called up today along with Humberto Sanchez. … Austin Jackson is here but will not be on the roster”
“Is Jorge Posada now not entitled to have an opinion on a team he has given his heart and soul to?”
He is entitled to have any opinion he wants, but he hasn’t been doing charity work behind the plate or — for most of this season– on the DL. The Yankees have treated Jorge pretty well, especially at the end of his career.
If body types are a determination as to who should be a starter and who should be in the pen, and it’s determined that Chamberlain has a bullpen body, then Sabathia had better begin the transition. David Wells should have stayed there and Rivera should have stayed a starter.
Somebody should put a first-basemens mit in Posada’s locker. If he asks why just tell him that after 2 rotator surgeries its obvious his body can’t hold up to being a catcher anymore.
Rotator cuff surgeries that is….
Cisco is up too finally a catcher who can hit !
Drive 4-5
September 15th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
SJ44,
I was typing my post the same time you were. lol
You’re right. I too like the fact that Posada is showing some interest and is being honest.
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I prefer having the managers and players lying to the press. It makes their jobs easier. They don’t have to worry about the truth (not that they normally do anyway).
I hope this is okay to do.
My friend has tickets to Wednesdays game. Tier 3 row w. Let me know if you are interested. I’ll check through the thread later. She works in midtown, so it would have to be picked up from there.
We should all hope and pray that Posada’s shoulder heals an allows him to catch next year. The ’09 Yankees will be much better off if Posada can return to the catching position, thereby opening up 1st base for a competent defender. The last thing the Yankees need is another Giambi-like black hole at first base.
What Jorge said is just an opinion. A lot of people share it, a lot of people don’t. Ultimately, the Yankees will decide on one course of action or another based upon whatever information they have from Joba and from the doctors. The bottom line is keeping Joba healthy and productive in the capacity he can best help the team.
It is rather amusing how people complain about Jeter’s non-answers, but are up in arms that Jorge would speak his mind. You can’t get bent out of shape. Sure, disagree, but at least it’s interesting.
And at least he didn’t say it anonymously.
Brandon, either Cervelli or Pilittere will be included in a trade this year. My guess is Pilittere because of age, but, I don’t think Cervelli is going to hit all that much. A Girardi type hitter.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Joba belongs in the pen…a Gossage style reliever. Multiple innings, still keeps his work load down and he remains effective.
Yes! The “epiphany” you sense is that Girardi reads the blogs and sees the sense in starting Joba in the spring. You never know what’s going to happen so better to start building up the innings sooner than later. Easier to transition to bullpen than the other way around. What a waste of time.
As for the relaxing, it’s because there’s less pressure. He doesn’t have to put up a false front. And don’t say he should always be like that. You can’t let your guys think there’s no chance when there’s still a chance. Even now, they should be playing as hard as they did in the last two games, but whatever.
Oh, man, 1B on the Yankees is a joke! It’s been a joke for, what, 3 seasons now? I still don’t know why they got rid of Tino (not that he’d still be playing buy, you know???). It would absolutely be nice if they could go into next season with someone who is actually a first baseman. But I have no high hopes for that. None. Unless they get Teixeira and trade away both Damon and Matsui.
I sure hope Jorge’s a quick healer. Did he speak to when he would be able to start working out in this interview with Kay that the whole world knows about before it’s even been aired??????
GreenBeret7,
David Cone’s commets in today’s Times were quite interesting. Cone was being honest in the paper and I hope he shares it with his former teamate Girardi.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09.....f=baseball
Mel,
How is it not any of the players business? Its THEIR team.
Do you think they don’t care about what’s best for the team?
This team won because of guys with strong points of view like Posada, Tino Cone, O’Neill, etc. They weren’t robots. They had strong opinions and weren’t shy about voicing them.
Some did it privately. Some publicly. Some did it both publicly and privately.
In fact, one could argue that’s one thing that’s missing from this team these days.
Jorge is not the only guy on the team that thinks Joba belongs in the bullpen.
Mo and Moose also believe he is better suited for the bullpen. Are they “bad” guys for having that opinion?
Depending on who you talk to on the team, some think Jeter also believes Joba belongs in the ‘pen.
Players ALWAYS talk about their team. They do what we do on this blog everyday. They just don’t post their thoughts for all to see everyday.
They aren’t robots. Nor should we want them to be.
There is an old saying about players in pro sports. That is, real players KNOW who the real players are.
You can’t BS players. They know which guys in their brethren can hack it and which can’t.
From the first day Joba Chamberlain showed up, he got IMMEDIATE veteran respect. Its because of the way he carried himself. That’s very rare in a Yankee locker room.
Veteran players let him act like a vet because he brought it to the park everyday. They saw how hard he worked and how he carried himself. That immediately gave him street cred in the locker room.
When Jorge talks about what he believes they should do with Joba, its coming from an area of great respect.
He wants what he believes is best for the kid and the team.
You don’t see a lot of veteran players do that with rookies/young players. Especially with the Yankees.
When I hear guys like Moose, Mo and Posada offering opinions/advice to young players and how they should be used, I tend to listen to what they have to say and why they are saying it.
That’s about 40 years of MLB baseball experience talking there. We would be crazy not to at least listen to it and think about why they are saying what they are saying.
Unlike us, they are in the trenches everyday. They know what it takes to be great and their opinions do matter. At least to me.
That doesn’t mean you do everything they say. It does mean, you at least consider what they have to say.
Mr. Exceptional. I too have thought Joba’s best role would be as an oldschool “fire-man”.
Doreen,
I may be wrong, but I think Posada can start light throwing in November or December. Posada did say he’ll be ready by February.
Doreen, Posada should have kept his name secret. Just send a letter, explaining his side and sign it, “The Real Yankee Catcher”. If he does on TV, then it should be done in silhouette and computer disguised voice. Need to tape back the ears to keep the secret, though.
(just kidding about the ears, PA.)
If you guys look at Joba’s injury history and have no concerns at all about him holding up as a starter than you are a lot more optimistic than I am. I don’t pretend to know the answer about his shoulder, but to dismiss Jorge’s comments is just silly.
His perspective is FAR more valuable to me than those of Giambi and Damon who based theirs on how dominant Joba was in the relief role. Jorge is thinking about what’s best for the kid, not the team in his evaluation of Joba’s long term health. That, to me is a good thing.
Mike S.— Thanx for the good info on Edwar. The kid has been treated rather shabbily by this blog, especially by Pete and it’s been over the top. Still, if he can’t develop a decent slider RH hitters will continue to beat on him.
Francisco Cervelli was called up today along with Humberto Sanchez.
I’m guessing he was called up to catch Sanchez?
With Montero and Romine progressing on target, Cervelli will never be expected to be the No. 1 catcher but every team needs a solid No. 2 guy.
i give credit to jorge for speaking his mind, thats his opinion of the teams he plays on, what is so wrong about that?
jeez with these players you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you dont
i dont get it, you players to speak whats on their mind, but when they do you people give them crap for it
how about you make up your minds..
Girardi said on his YES show that he’s learned a lot from his first year. One of the things he said was you think you know guys, but until you manage them you don’t really know them, and that it’s impossible to know everything there is to know about a guy by April 1st. I sense that he is going to really go over every aspect of this year and see where he can improve.
We all really forgot just what the learning curve might have to be for him.
I know I took for granted that since he had coached some of these guys before, and played with some of them, that his transition would be relatively easy. Maybe that is precisely what made things more difficult.
I think Girardi’s a smart guy who will make adjustments. He’s never going to be a guy who shows all his cards, much as the media may want him to, but maybe he can figure out how to give just enough. I doubt that his stint in Florida even came close to preparing him for the media part of this job; nor did he stint on the other side of the microphone.
SJ,
Everything you say makes sense. Absolutely.
But you can’t convince me that Jorge wouldn’t be mad if one Mo or Jeter went on Center Stage and said that Jorge should play 1B because of his shoulder issues.
And Jeter wouldn’t be too thrilled if one of his good friends said publicly that Jeter should change position because he’s getting old.
So, for that reason alone I think that Jorge should refrain from “getting involved” in such a public forum.
Golden Rule.
Man,is this blog gonna be fun this offseason or what? The season’s not even over and tempers are flaring about what to do with the ’09 Yanks.
It’s a LOT more fun when we win,but I’m looking forward to the scrum that will surely ensue this Hot Stove League!LOL
It is rather amusing how people complain about Jeter’s non-answers
See, I’m one of those that like Jeter’s non-answers.
But, Posada has a right to voice his opinion, I just don’t agree with him.
“How is it not any of the players business? Its THEIR team.”
Ummm, though it only seems this way because they are grossly overpaid, teams do not belong to the players. Granted, the way Yankees’ ownership capitulated to A-Rod, Posada, and Rivera, one could call this into question. Nevertheless, and more today than ever, players are about themselves . . . they are only linked to a team as a matter of contract. It’s an antiquated and romanticized notion that the team comes first for these players.
Why do we have 3 diff catchers on the roster and why are all 3 of them playing..never seen that..I thought Moeller was for emergency only?
Its not just body type. Its physical history.
Guys like Boomer and Sabathia, big, big men, haven’t had arm, elbow or shoulder problems in their careers. For whatever reason, those guys were born with great arms that can withstand the rigors of pitching.
In Joba’s career (from college to now), he has had shoulder, elbow, knee, and tricep injuries.
Now, this bout with “shoulder tendinitis” if you believe the Yankees. A biceps strain if you believe the scuttlebutt.
Taken individually, those “little” injuries aren’t serious. Over a 5 year period, the period I am referring to, its a lot.
Its something to consider when deciding what to do with him.
I think everybody wants the same for Joba. Great success.
How and where this success ultimely ends up (rotation or bullpen) is a legitmate topic of discussion given the fact that he brokedown again this year.
Thanks, Drive 4-5, with the Jorge throwing info.
GB7 -
Not enough tape.
Do you all think Sanchez will actually get a chance to pitch?
Mel— the difference in your example is that Jorge has more than a decade as a ML catcher whereas Joba has just a smattering of time in the bigs. For a 12-year veteran to voice an opinion on a rookie is very different from a contemporary doing so.
If Hughes had an opinion about Joba I think Joba would pop him right in the nose.
Jorge is trained and experienced in watching pitchers’ mechanics and looking for warning signs. His opinion to me is extremely valid and should be respected. Knowing his track record, the Yankees brass had already heard from him… shoot they might have asked him to watch Joba and scrutinize what he saw.
No doubt Tom.
I’m not sure what SJ is getting at now. He’s been clamouring for Joba in the rotation constantly…now I feel a change of tune coming.
I think SJ should be a politician…or maybe he is.
ALSO, when other players see what kind of backlash a player gets when he speaks his mind and they take that in as if they shouldnt speak their mind or that will happen to them too
but then of course you have other players who really couldnt give a s*** what the media thinks of them ex. the warrior o’neill
Let’s look at the other side.
Would anyone be offended if someone on Yanks were close to one of the top free agents and lobbied to get him?
It turned out badly, but I think at the time an awful lot of people were glad that Andy Pettitte lobbied hard to get Clemens back.
I think Matsui should have been shut down a long time ago. I respect his work ethic, and I guess initially having him back in the lineup seemed to perk things up. But as time went on it just looked like he was not comfortable. Maybe not “hurting” but not all that comfortable, not being able to get into a groove, hitting-wise.
Last season, he had the knee surgery after the season and wasn’t quite ready for spring training.
I’m glad he atleast acknowledged that we need TWO of the free agent pitchers… hopefully the FO sees it.
Gshizzle:
hey at least we are number 1 in something!
and the award for the most used catchers within a 4 game series goes too……
the ny yankees! lol
Asked about the Yanks’ trade-deadline acquisition of Pudge Rodriguez to replace him behind the plate, Posada told Kay, “Pudge, he’s my friend, but he’s going to have to go somewhere else.”
86,
I appreciate your comment, but the Golden Rule knows no difference in mlb service.
Joba’s the future (supposedly) so it’s an especially big deal.
Hopefully, we won’t see similar questions asked about Jorge in the spring. And I hope that players would have enough sense to not touch the question if asked.
I realize Edwar and Veras are doing bad but I think that has more to do with them being tired. Remember, they are pretty much rookies neither of them have had such a workload at the major league stage. We saw how great they were through most of the season. Also, I think they would make good trading chips since we have a lot of great arms and thus, some could be traded. Although, it would help to know how Joba will start the season so that we know how many relievers we need.
Doreen, I’m sure that sanchez gets into a game, but, hopefully if it’s against the White sox, he gets his feet wet against the bottom of that order.
With Chamberlain, if there was any chance of serious damage, he’d be home in Nebraska right now….not warming up in the bullpen. NYY isn’t going to risk killing his career on what is pretty much a lost season. If they were thinking bullpen for the long term. then getting him innings this year wouldn’t mean a thing.
“Not playing and watching the team struggle is KILLING Posada this year. Frankly, if it killed more players like its killing him, they wouldn’t be in this spot.”
Really? You really think that a bunch of players being pissed off would magically turn the two thousand combined plate appearances between Melky/Molina/Cano/Pudge/TheBench into super productive plate appearances, as opposed to the black hole that they have been all year long? You really think this kind of emotion would turn Ponson and Rasner and Igawa into above average pitchers? Do you really think that would cause Pettitte do pitch at a higher level? Do you really think Hughes and Kennedy would have been more effective if other players were pissed off?
The bottom line is they would be in the same exact spot, regardless of how many players spoke up. This is because they have allocated way too much platying time to crappy hitters and crappy pitchers. It’s pretty simple. The last Yankee team to give this much playing time to this many crappy players was the 1991 team.
A lot of chatter coming from the team. Obviously Damon and Posada have gone public then you have numerous anonymous quotes these past couple of weeks… this is what happens when you try and rebuild with all the vets on the team. They become disgruntled and dont know how to handle not losing.
Poor judgment by cashman. Hal better listen to their pleas for pitching help in the off-season.
Veras has a good arm. Ramirez has just a changeup. When he falls behind, his fastball is as hittable as they come. I think Veras can still be of use to the team, though not in the 8th inning. I’d prefer not to see Ramirez on the team after this year.
Pete,
Guys like Cone, O’Neill, even Michael Kay (who is very close to Girardi) have talked to him about his relationship with the media and why it needs to improve. Perhaps, he’s finally taking it to heart.
As with benching Cano, its better late than never.
Personally, I think Girardi will be better next year.
As I wrote in another thread, he overcompensated this year for his percieved Florida foibles, and tried too hard to be something he’s not.
He’s actually a very smart, articulate guy, who isn’t the polyanna he tried to be during the season.
I think he felt that if some of his players (like Cano) saw he was falling on the sword for them, it would inspire them to play hard everyday.
Fact is, that never works. Guys either have it in them to bring it to the park everyday or they don’t.
Football? You can motivate guys as a coach. Only 16 games so, you HAVE to do it at times to keep the team going.
Baseball? 162 games in 180 days. If you have to play Vince Lombardi? You don’t have a winning team.
Joe Torre didn’t make Derek Jeter play hard everyday anymore than Lou Piniella made Arod do the same. Both those men were blessed with having driven players who brought it and brought it hard everyday. They led by example.
Fortunately for Torre, he had a TEAM of guys like that for a very long time. That’s a big reason why they won. More than ever, we see how tough it is to assemble teams like that.
Its not a coincidence that as the Dynasty Team began to be broken up, the guys coming in lacked the same motivation. They had the cash but, not the motivation.
Unfortunately, Robinson Cano is not that kind of player. Nor, IMO, will he ever be.
You don’t hire a coach to MAKE Cano play hard. That won’t work. Ultimately, guys like Cano tunes those guys out. He even tuned out Bowa for stretches during his time here.
Cano either has to grow up on his own or he has to go. Hiring his own personal Dr. Phil is not only not the Yankee Way, its also the wrong way to handle the situation.
The right way to handle it? What he’s doing today. Sit him.
If they did it in May, with a subsequent trip to Scranton after he continued screwing up, it would have served Cano much better than letting it play out like this for over 140 games.
Guys today, especially one’s with 30 million guaranteed dollars, are very tough to deal with in the game.
They all can’t be Derek Jeter and Arod. To that end, Joe Torre and Lou Piniella are smart enough men to thank their lucky stars those guys came along in their managerial careers.
Its way too early to say Joba is too injury prone for the starting rotation. If he is injured next year then I’d buy into it but not yet.
I don’t care what Joba’s innings limit is next year, he needs to stay in the rotation for the entire year. Keep his pitch count at a max of 100 and give him days off here and there to keep his innings around 150 or so. If the Yanks sign Sabathia, Mussina and Pettitte there will be plenty of depth to back Joba up when he needs a day off (Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, Wright, Coke).
Lets all take a step back and realize that Joba is 22 years old and has only been playing Pro-ball for all of 2 years. Young pitchers-especially power pitchers experience injuries like these–Josh Beckett comes to mind.
However, Joba’s slider does must put alot of pressure on his elbow and/or shoulder. I hope he’s not another Kerry Wood…
If Matsui is getting shut down call up Colin Curtis he deserves it.
matsui should have been shut down weeks ago. there was no point in bringing him back.
Actually Mr. Exceptional, I’m quite consistent in what I have said re: Joba.
If he is healthy enough to be a starter, I’d like to see him in the rotation.
However, if he can’t be a “real” starting pitcher (as in, pitching over 150 innings a year), than he should be in the bullpen.
As far as Joba being “back” right now, they are hardly using him, and they are using him out of the bullpen.
Meaning, no innings buildups.
His health will dictate his future.
Something tells me though that if the Yankees are successful in signing two of the top end free agent pitchers, his future may end up being in the bullpen.
“If the Yanks sign Sabathia, Mussina and Pettitte . . . ”
If the Yanks bring back both Mussina and Pettite, next year will look like this year.
If Matsui is getting shut down call up Colin Curtis he deserves it.
I agree. though I suspect Justin Christian would be back up.
“The last Yankee team to give this much playing time to this many crappy players was the 1991 team.”
These same crappy players ( for the most part)led the majors in runs scored, total bases,batting average, obp, slugging % and ops in ’07.
No one could have predicted a team wide batting slump, especially with RISP in ’08. It’s understandable why they went with the same lineup.
As far as Matsui is concerned, I tip my cap to him for coming back.
He could have shut it down in June and nobody would have questioned him for doing so. Yet, he wanted to comeback and try and help the team. I respect the hell out of that.
Now? They should shut him down, let him get his surgery ASAP, and get him healthy for next year.
Mel, you’re already seeing the “Keep Posada from behind the plate” movement on this board, so the media won’t be far behind. They’ve already decided that Posada can’t throw anymore. They have about as much medical experience as Posada does. Posada doesn’t have access to Chamberlain’s medical records…the front office and their battery of doctors do.
I’m not quite ready to accept all opinions of everyone claiming to have the inside scoop that seems so prevelant on this board. It’s no wonder the Yankee front office is so screwed up…they’re all on this board spilling the company beans.
Agree with SJ on Matsui. He had an immediate impact on the offense when he came back.
Get the surgery, get well. Because he’s always been consistent when healthy. We missed a lot of his production the last 2 seasons.
“If the Yanks bring back both Mussina and Pettite, next year will look like this year.”
Haha what? They were the two best starting pitchers on the Yankees this year. Make them the 4th/5th starters next year.
How does Sabathia, Wang, Mussina, Pettitte, Chamberlain look at all like Mussina, Pettitte, Pavano, Aceves, Ponson?
Keep fishing…
If Posada can’t catch and Joba can’t start next year, then the Yanks will be also-rans next year. Given what I’m going to have to pay for my season ticket plan next year, I can’t afford to think that way.
GB7,
I would’ve paid big $$ to see what Posada would say if Kay asked him what the plan is for Jeter.
Posada knows pitchers better than any of us… nothing he said was outrageous. Nobody is saying he can’t be a good starter, but his health is a major concern. His build, violent delivery, and medical history are working against him.
This has nothing to do with starter vs. reliever because we don’t even need him in the bullpen with the arms like Marte, Sanchez, Melancon, Veras, Bruney etc. next year. But if his health dictates he can’t be a starter, then we have no choice.
Though he deserves more than one attempt at starting before we deem his starting career over. Let’s see what he does in ST.
Wow. What a short career Robinson Cano has had. Washed up and given up for dead at age 25. Hey. at least he outlived James Dean by a year! lol
Hey Patrick — you want Pettitte back next year? Yeah, he’s been terrific this year. How much do you want to pay him? Maybe you want to throw him a few extra million to thank him for the past. That would be consistent with Yankee thinking. No thanks, I’ll keep fishing.
Mel, try to imagine Jeter’s answer if asked where Posada should be playing”
(Well Michael, I just bought this new Ford Edge, and, wouldn’t you know it, my new lady friend…uhhh…let’s just call her Cynthia…spilled a bottle of red gq nutrient drink on the carpet. Has hands worse than Ale….err…a 5 year old.
***bottle of red GQ nutrient****
James Dean. Now he was hot.
Kids nowadays probably don’t know he who is.
I’m shocked, but not surprised by Cano sitting out the opener. I think that there’ve been lots of talks with Cano privately by the staff and vets. But it just wasn’t getting through.
Cano said he was embarrassed about it. It can’t be a slap on the wrist. He needs to watch the game from the outside to get a different perspective. He does a lot right, but everyone has room for improvement.
Drive 4-5. I agree with you on Cano. He’s had 3 outstanding years with the Yankees so far; however, people only want to focus on the one awful year. Imagine what these same people would have said about Mantle in ’51, Guidry in ’75 and ’76, Bernie in the early 90′s, or even Mo in ’95.
However, Shelly Duncan, Shane Spencer, and Kevin Maas are all going to the HOF.
This controversy — not about what Joba’s role should be, but what LoHud commenters think about Jorge’s comments about what Joba’s role should be– is kind of silly.
Some folks are annoyed with Jorge because of what he said, not that he said it. If he said that Joba should be a starter, different story. Then we/they would be all “You tell ‘em, Jorge!” Either way, what’s the big deal?
What Jorge says isn’t going to make any difference. If there are informed reasons behind what Jorge said, THAT is what could make the difference. Since none of us knows whether it’s bluster or insight or some combination, I vote that we take a wait-and-see approach to this vexing issue.
Nonetheless, I am still turning my Jorge bobblehead backwards for tonight’s game and I hope it learns its lesson.
Drive 4-5. I agree with you on Robinson Cano. He’s had 3 outstanding years with the Yankees so far; however, people only want to focus on the one awful year. Imagine what these same people would have said about Mantle in ’51, Guidry in ’75 and ’76, Bernie in the early 90′s, or even Mo in ’95.
However, Shelly Duncan, Shane Spencer, and Kevin Maas are all going to the HOF.
Nick in SF,
You do realize that by turning your Jorge bobblehead backwards you give hope to the naysayers?
I say free Jorge’s bobblehead and let free speach reign!
Why did Posada feel he should go public with his opinion about Joba getting hurt as a starter? Seems like a stupid thing to say publicly, even it if is true (and of course Posada can’t know if it’s true anyway). It’s kind of like Kevin Long telling the NY Times that Cano’s swing is going to be totally re-worked in the offseason. Why say things that diminish the market value of the player?
I’m more annoyed with how Jorge said he would not play 1B.
Hey Jorge, we’re paying you $52 million dollars. You play where we tell you. If we can find a young catcher, then you are a 1B. You play where you give us the best chance to win, bottom line. Whether thats 1st, 3rd, OF, DH, 1B, doesn’t matter. Teams are going to run all over you next year if the arm has not recovered and cost us wins.
“These same crappy players ( for the most part)led the majors in runs scored, total bases,batting average, obp, slugging % and ops in ‘07.
No one could have predicted a team wide batting slump, especially with RISP in ‘08. It’s understandable why they went with the same lineup.”
When I say “crappy players” I am not talking about Damon or Matsui or Giambi or aRod or Pettitte or Mussina or Jeter. I am talking about Molina and Melky and Cano and Betemit and Rasner and Pavano and Duncan and Ensberg and Gardner and Christian and Pudge and Gonzalez and Moeller. With the exception of Cano, these players being crappy is not surprising at all. They are all way way below league average. Like I said, the last Yankee team to give this much playing time to these many way way below average hitters was the 1991 Yankee team.
ZMAN777,
I do want Pettitte back next year. I’d say a 1 year deal at $10 million is fair. I’d give a similar offer to Mussina, perhaps a bit more. I wouldn’t pay them for past success but for what I think they could give the team in 2009.
Pettitte and Mussina can throw innings next year, something guys like Hughes, Kennedy and Joba are unable to do at this point. I’d rather take a low risk deal with Pettitte and/or Moose and get average to above average pitching over 200 innings then splurge on Sheets or Burnett. I’d also rather have Pettitte/Mussina in the rotation over Hughes/Kennedy.
Finally, don’t forget how easily pitchers get injured. How many starters have the Yankees had this year? Pettitte, Mussina, Wang, Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, Igawa, Ponson, Giese, Rasner, Pavano. They had even more starters in 07. Signing Pettitte and Mussina provide much needed veteran depth. If someone goes down the Yankees can fall back on Hughes/Kennedy rather than rely on them.
Signing Moose and Pettitte would actually be the exact opposite type of move they did last year. (As long as they get Sabathia as well)
I also meant to include Ponson. He is really crappy. I typed “Pavano” instead by mistake.
“matsui should have been shut down weeks ago. there was no point in bringing him back.”
King Felix, when Matsui decided to come back adn keep working hard was when the Yanks were still in contention. The Yankees were doing great after teh All Star Break adn were on fire. Matsui just wanted to help the team being who he is and did not want to miss another season after that devastatin wrist injury. I respect him playing with knees that probably feel like they are going to explode. He just did not evision the Yanks being this far out of the race. In June, nobody thought this would be the case and at the end of July, the Yanks were like 3 games out. Matsui wanted to be there to make that final push but by August, our team started to crumble and Matsui still wanted to be back to try and make that last run but now, the yanks are all but mathematically out of it and thus, Matsui can get that surgery because he doesn’t have that guilty conscience on him.
Good for Girardi. He seems to have made tremendous strides these past couple of weeks.
He benched Cano
he had a set lineup out there for a month regardless of lefty or righty pitcher
he had a quicker hook on the starters
he has used the pen (marte in particular) more efficiently.
now it looks like he is handling the media muc better
Oh another story about matsui. I remember when i went to a game with my cousin where Bernie hit a walk off homer in 06, in the bleachers, this one Japanese man was sitting there with like three long towels with Matsui written in English and Japanses and with all sorts of other thigns about him. That guy saw me and my cousin, we were 11 and 13 at the time and gave each of us a little towel which was pretty cool. I still have it hung up in my room. Nice guy,.
Drive 4-5, I agree with your take on Robinson Cano. He’s had, what– 3 outstanding years with the Yankees so far; however, people only want to focus on the one awful year. Imagine what these same people would have said about Mantle in ’51, Guidry in ’75 and ’76, Bernie in 91, or even Mo in ’95.
However, Shelly Duncan, Shane Spencer, and Kevin Maas are all going to the HOF.
I see the Brewers fired Ned Yoast today. He could be a nice replacement for Girardi next year if we get off to a slow start.
Drive 4-5, the Jorge bobblehead will not be silenced just by being turned around. But now he can tell it to the wall.
If Matsui gets shut down, wouldnt it make sense to give more DH time to Damon and see what Melky has learned in the minors? Or, DH Giambi and take a look at Juan Miranda at 1st basr?
Nick,
1. I’ve got no issue with what Jorgie said even if I don’t agree.
2. I’ve got issue that he said it. Of course he said it before, but that was over the winter when they weren’t sure of his role (or pretended to not know). They’ve said Joba’s a starter and he thinks it should be otherwise. Huh? We’ve gotten on other players before for playing GM, so it’s not Jorge-centric.
3. If Jorge said that he thinks Joba should be a starter, that’s just supporting the current plan.
4. Not only did he state his opinion, but he went on about his body type, etc. That’s different from saying, “I think Joba should be a reliever because he has a chance to be one of the greats.” I think I’d be okay with that. But when you start getting into medical issues and body types that’s going too far IMO.
5. I truly believe they’re not hiding problems that they have knowledge of. Otherwise Joba wouldn’t be pitching. We would’ve accepted at face value any excuse they gave us if they sent him home. But he’s pitching.
6. I agree to shut up and go into “wait and see” mode.
Nick in SF,
“the Jorge bobblehead will not be silenced just by being turned around. But now he can tell it to the wall.”
Either way, you are giving comfort to the nattering nabobs of negativism.
Free Jorge!
I’m putting my mel bobblehead on probation, pending further comments.
I think that Jorge would say, “Screw Nick in SF and his bobblehead!”
Does it detect tremors, Nick?
trenchBob, the Yanks have had a crappy bench for years. They just got called on it this year, mainly because of the loss of Posada and the woeful performance of Cano and Cabrera.
Drive 4-5, by virtue of you quoting Spiro Agnew, former governor of Maryland, home of the University of Maryland Terrapins, the team that embarassed my own California Golden Bears over the weekend, you just made things worse for the Jorge bobblehead, not better.
Words have consequences!
And here is the truth about the Yankees with RISP, as of Sunday morning:
Melky/Cano/Molina/Bench: .210/.269/.292 in 530 Plate appearances
All Other Yankee Hitters: .290/.386/.454 in 1040 Plate appearances
The other Yankee hitters are doing fine. It is the wasted outs at 2B/CF/C/Bench that the Yankees have suffered through all season long that has crippled this offense. The stars are getting the job done (unless you consider Cano a star already). It is the lesser guys who have sucked. The yankee farm system was unable to adequately replace these woeful hitters like Melky and Molina and the entire bench. Also, Rasner/Ponson/Igawa/Hughes/Kennedy have started 50 games with terrible results. Carryingone or two dead bats is hard enough when you have good pitching. But when you have crappy starting pitching, you can’t afford to carry and crappy bats. This is why the Yankees aren’t a playoff team this year. The injuries crippled the major league roster and the farm system couldn’t do anything about it.
So the nails in the coffin were:
1. Losing Posada
2. Losing Wang *****
3. Losing Joba the starter
4. Not having a healthy Matsui
5. Giambi playing 1B
6. Cano & Melky underperforming
Thumbtacks:
1. Inordinate amount of GIDP by Jeter (and Alex in August-11!)
2. Yeah, yeah all those automatic outs. ’nuff!
When was the last time the Yanks had a decent bench? Without looking, I think you’d have to go back to 2000 or 2001. Every year I’ve thought, I hope Posada doesn’t go down. Well, this year he did. We haven’t had a decent back-up catcher in forever.
“I do want Pettitte back next year. I’d say a 1 year deal at $10 million is fair.”
Patrick — No way should the team spend $10 million on a #5, innings-eating starter. First, I think they can do better than Pettitte, who is aging very quickly. Being able to eat innings does not justify a $10 million contract. Second, we have to stop building teams for one season — stop paying over-the-hill veterans as stop-gap measures.
Jorge is just frustrated. He wanted to win a ring this year instead the GM decided to rebuild. Jorge asked for Santana and they refused. He is the leader of the team and his voice is not being heard by Cashman. Not only that, but his manager is tough on him which he isn’t used to.
Posada has advocated Sabathia and Burnett, Cashman needs to listen this time. Jorge is speaking on behalf of the team.
I see Generation Trey is now Generation DL.
All of them are either injured (Joba), over-hyped (Kennedy) or a combination of both (Hughes).
Though at least when healthy, Joba is an ace-like starter unlike the other two.
I wonder why Ransom is here and playing. The guy is 32 years old and we already have a 3B SS and 2B. He is not someone who the Yankees would take as an everyday 1B
Same with Gardner, I love everything about him, except he cannot hit, not for power or average, he is not someone the Yanks would keep as an everyday CF in the future.
Unless they are showcasing these guys to trade but I don`t know what possible value they would have except at the AAA level.
Weather Man,
That is a good point, Posada is just speaking on behalf of the team. You would hope Hal realizes this and gives them what they ask for– CC and Burnett. They missed the boat on Santana but the have a chance to rectify it. Time to see if Hal is committed to winning or another James Dolan who only wants to sell tickets and lets his GM hypnotize him.
agree
might as well just play the vets instead of non-talents like gardner, christian, ransom, moller etc. at best they are bench player for us.
but guys like cervelli, miranda, curtis, jackson etc. could be more than that and should get the opportunity to showcase themselves.
zman
First of all, spending $10 mill on a guy that throws 200 league average or better innings is the going rate nowadays.
Second, getting Moose and Pettitte for another year isn’t just building the team for one season. Hughes and Kennedy are not ready and should start the season in AAA. Moose and Pettitte still have the ability to help this team. $20 mil for those two guys is a drop in the bucket and wouldn’t slow the development of anyone in the Yankee system. I think getting Moose and Pettitte for 09 would help the development of our pitchers; they won’t be rushed the majors. Sorry but I don’t see the downside to this.
The other options are to gamble on the young guys (worked our real well this year didn’t it?). Or overpay for Sheets and Burnett (injury prone FA pitchers, sounds a little like what the Yanks have done all throughout the 2000′s)
I think the best course of action is to fill the rotation with top end guys like Wang, Sabathia, Joba and fill in the back end with vets like Pettitte and Moose while waiting for the young guys like Hughes/Kennedy to be MLB ready.
As I said earlier, this is precisely why Hughes should be the #6 starter next year and start in the minors. He is Joba insurance. We cannot have 2 guys who are coming off injuries and on IP limits in the same rotation. Hughes should be Joba’s caddy, otherwise if one or both of them get hurt (which is likely considering their track records) we have to dip right back into the Rasner/Giese pool.
And like Posada suggested, this is why we need 2 FA pitchers as well.
Wow. Giambi’s having a better year than Swisher. You know, at the plate.
Of course we want CC & AJ. Haven’t the Yankees already say that? But they’re not boy toys that Hank and Hal can order out of the Robb Report catalog. They have a say in where they want to play. I fully expect them to exercise that right, no matter how much we offer or how hard the players campaign for them.
Funny how people are blasting Posada for saying Joba should be in the pen when Damon, Mussina, and Rivera all said the same thing earlier in the year. Damon even questioned the move at the time it was made.
It’s not like Posada has given his heart and soul to this team for the past decade or anything…who does he think he is giving his opinion??!?!?!
The fact is this. Posada’s educated and well informed opinion is not what the common and uninformed fan wants to hear. As the expression goes: THE TRUTH HURTS.
“What if Mo said, “We don’t know if Jorgie’s shoulder’s going to hold up. I think he’s better suited at 1B because there’s less stress on the shoulder.—
Mel,
I don’t think Mo would say that unless he was informed enough to believe it was true, and in the case there is no problem at all with him saying it.
Posada really needs to keep his trap shut. Naturally Francesa shouted down a caller for saying the same thing because Posada agrees with Mike about Joba. I’d like to know where Jorge gets his inside information from? How on earth does he know that Joba is going to break down? Can he tell the future? Is he psychic? I think he’s more like psycho. This is nuts. I’m sure that every pitcher who has ever played in the major leagues has been shut down at one time or another. Did people go into panic mode them? Why is Joba any different? Sheesh. Posada’s comments don’t do any favors to the Yankees; he makes it sound to everyone else that the players think the Yankees have no clue what they are doing.
I’m thrilled Jackson is up – this kid sounds like the real deal and I can’t wait to see him play, especially in the field.
Thrilled also that Cano is sitting. Mr. 99% can sit for the next week for all I care.
Why the need for the Aceves rip?
Burnett will either come here or Boston. Unlike CC, he is an east coast guy. His family lives in Maryland, knows the division, and has friends on both teams.
If we don’t get Burnett, Theo will snatch him up. CC is a different story considering he favors the West. But if we want Burnett, we should have no problem at all getting him.
Gardner’s getting an extended look like Girardi said he would. Moeller gets the call because he and Aceves worked well together since AAA. Jackson has back issues.
Jeter’s chasing history. Alex is the draw. Matsui’s going to take care of the knee. Otherwise the vets had all season to play.
I would DH Abreu for the last 11 games. He’d be an excellent DH next season.
Maybe Jorge can talk about how close he really was to going to the Mets.
Jackson is going to be a star. Let’s hope Cashman handles him better than he did the 3 pitchers. Do not rely on him for anything— ease him into the lineup. Bat him 9th. Surround him with good hitters (meaning go out there and shake up the offense htis winter).
If Hank/Hal had not given him the 4th year, he told Kay on his show that he would have gone to the Mets.
cano should be traded.too bad his value is low.
i would put joba back in the bullpen to go with mo,bruney,sanchez,melancon,coke,absolutey sick pen.
trade hughes and some prospects for a great young center fielder,trade cano,kennedy,prospects for a good young pitcher,another boatload of prospects for a first baseman or put posada there,try to keep ajax for a corner spot,sign sabathia and another good pitcher.now they are rebuilt with a good rotation and bullpen.
t-rock- I know that is what bothers me about Jorge. The Yanks treated him well his whole career. Don’t get me wrong he has been a great Yankee, but I don’t know why he said that.
Edwar suspended? Well At least Girardi can’t say Eddy threw the ball great for us tonight.
Is it weird that I’m surprised Pavano is going down with an injury?
Having done it before, I can tell you that trying to start and come out of the pen in the same season really does a number on you physically. It’s just two different types of fatigue that require completely different routines, obviously. Trying to do both will mess anyone up. Giving a guy that has set his routines just a couple of weeks to let his body make that change just wasn’t smart.
If he goes INTO the season ready to start and has time to let his body adapt and build up accordingly, he is going to be fine. He will better than fine, I think he will be great.
Actually watching/hearing Posada make his comments is quite different from just reading them. He simply stated his opinion.
Like the “telephone” game, things get quite a spin when they’re repeated and repeated and repeated.
If we make Joba reliever without giving him another chance to start, then he isn’t staying here past his rookie contract and I wouldn’t blame him one bit.
TeKNetick,
I don’t know. By then, Papelbon may have achieve his crusade to elevate the status of closers. They maybe earning ace money by then.
Betsy, How does Posada voicig an opinion make him a “Psycho”? I don’t agree with him, but, I do know what Pyscho means, and this isn’t it.
By the way, Jackson was called up to NYY, but not activated as a player. There would be no reason to add him to the 40 man roster earlier than necessary. It would cost a player that needs to be protected a spot before the Rule 5 draft. It makes no sense.
Brandon (Humberto’s coming home !)…”Reward Colin Curtis’s .414 postseason AVG ”
posada has a right to his oppinion.what about us on this blogg trying to be gm’s,coaches,owners,players,posada is on the inside we are on the outside looking in.
Nice to see a few of you still have enough money to afford a computer and internet connection after what happened today.
GreenBeret7:
jackson can’t play anyway he is hurt,having an mri on his back.
Jackson had no problems playing the last two games. Watch the highlights. If he had an MRI, it’s for precautionary reasons from a muscle spasm from three weeks ago. He say on the 7 day DL and was strong throught the remainder of the season and throughout the playoffs.
I read a quote by Jackson where he said he feels fine, but they want to make sure, so they’re sending him for an MRI.
Bruce – The difference is that Posada’s opinions get reported in the press and become fodder for controversy. Your opinions go no futher than this lousy site. (Just kidding.)
“trade hughes and some prospects for a great young center fielder,trade cano,kennedy,prospects for a good young pitcher,another boatload of prospects for a first baseman or put posada there,try to keep ajax for a corner spot,sign sabathia and another good pitcher.now they are rebuilt with a good rotation and bullpen.”
trading hughes and these “prospects” for a center fielder?…cano, kennedy and more of these “prospects” for a pitcher?…now we got a “boatload of prospects” for a first basemen…and it seems ajax’s value is as a center fielder not a corner outfielder according to what most people say…i dont know how many of these great prospects the yankees have to get the kind of talent you want
“If we make Joba reliever without giving him another chance to start, then he isn’t staying here past his rookie contract and I wouldn’t blame him one bit.”
So like 6 years from now?
Well they didn’t waste anytime putting cervelli to work he has been here a few hours and he was representing the yanks at one of the home plate presentations
“trade hughes and some prospects for a great young center fielder,trade cano,kennedy,prospects for a good young pitcher,another boatload of prospects for a first baseman or put posada there,try to keep ajax for a corner spot,sign sabathia and another good pitcher.now they are rebuilt with a good rotation and bullpen.â€
I love stuff like this. Easier to write things like “great young center fielder” and “good young pitcher” than to actually name possibilities. Besides, Hughes is a good young pitcher so why not just keep him?
MooseCall:
news flash it is a controversy every day for over a year without anybody saying a word.the press is good at creating controversy.i hope you don’t believe what you just said.
it is his oppinion,everybody has an oppinion about the subject,does it make posada less of a man for voicing it?,i don’t think so.
The Yankees season went to pot because of their record against teams .500 or bellow.
8-7 vs. Baltimore.
1-2 vs. Pitt.
1-2 vs. CIN.
3-4 vs. Tex.
3-4 vs. CLE.
5-5 vs KC.
Thats good for a record of 21 and 24. There are at least 10 more wins in there.
In the past the Yankees abused teams like these.
I have a feeling Aceves will get crushed tonight……
and I mean the White Sox will perform an Ian-Kennedy on him.
Now that’s bad.
First of all my apologies for anyone who has to live through the Chicago feed tonight.
Present and accounted for. It seems I missed a tremendous game yesterday (I hosted some family event and wasn’t about to put the Yanks game on when only 2 of 22 people in the room are Yank fans – neither was I going to give them the satisfaction of watching the Sux game. So I used the television for FX music so didn’t get to tape the game. I’m sad I didn’t get to see the moment where DJ tied the Iron Horse.
)
Anway, I am hoping to see him go to first place in Stadium hits tonight!
About Jeter – too bad he woke up and jumped past 300 avg only when their season was just about out of reach. I love the guy but I don’t think he was such a great contributor this season. He is highly competetive and it seems his competitive juices only really flowed when the situation was dire. Too much too little too late. Just my opinion.
About Jorge. I think he needs his ears pinned in more than one ways. Who is he to say where Joba should and shouldn’t be. Unless there was more to what he said than what was reported I think he was way out of line. And wrong, by the way.
Other than that, sad that the Yankees seem to have started the season when the season was out of hand. Credit to Girardi for pulling Robby and switching around the rotation. But again, why in hell did it take until the season was out of hand for it to happen???
GO YANKEES!!! And especially GO RAYS!!!!! Gee just think, if we don’t lose another game and if the Sux only win 4 of their remaining games, we’ll pass them for the wild card.
“BRUNEY BATTLES: Now that he’s over his dreaded Lisfranc injury, Brian Bruney has been lights out. In his last 13 appearances he has thrown 14 innings and allowed two runs on five hits while striking out 12 and walking four.”
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I seem to remember you posted the same stats for Jose Veras before. Look where he’s now.
nice throw
moeller…aceves thanks you
Love the updates Pete. Guys..with only 7 games left..we must cherish these last few days. I can’t wait for the closing ceremonies. It should be a very exciting day.
Kevin
Hi Pete
Nice strike by Chad and nice tag by Alex. No doubter.
Get to work bats
Testing
Whit the help of Moeller, an eleven pitches first zero by Aceves
I wanted to say the White Sox will perform an Ian-Kennedy on Aceves tonight.
Did I type “whit”? Sorry, guys
Okay, Kazmir has thrown 9 straight balls to start the game. JFC.
Not so sure, ER. Let’s see how he goes
Aceves is a great story this year. I hope he can help this Yankee team now and in the future.
Reno:
free agency alone won’t fix the mess and the red sox were smart in realizing that a good established player is better than a prospect(s).i would love for them to keep all the kids but they have a lot of holes and free agency or the farm system won’t fill them all within the next few years at minimum.
the yankees need ca whole new outfield,catcher,first baseman,avoiding a few trades is impossible.mark my words you will see the yankees trade a lot of prospects to fix this disaster,probably even hughes in my opinion.
if i could get a peavey for a hughes,montero,betances i would do it in a second because they would be a much better team immediately as long as they keep doing a good job drafting to replace the kids.
“David Ortiz just put three points on the board.”
I swear that Remy just said that.
Three points.
So Kazmir throws 9 straight balls to start the game (ie walks the first two guys) then Papi goes up and drills a homer.
3-0 Sox.
Um, Santa? Could you please be sure that Bobby Abreu is in my Yankee Christmas stocking this December? Thanks!
Sigh @ the Trop.
The flashbulbs popping in slow mo was pretty cool during Jeter’s AB.
Hola, Jorge, good to see you in here. Congrats on Aceves’s first start, that must have been very exciting.
Don’t take anything ER says too seriously, he’s not a normal person.
Now Lowell homered, 4-0 Sox.
Oh crap, game already over in Tampa Bay.
Turns out the Red Sox perform an Ian-Kennedy on Kazmir.
as long as they are traded for the right pieces,not too old then i don’t see a problem.i am not advocating them to trade for players that are older,maybe 23-28 yrs old.
well Kazmir doing his best to lose.
wow, ARod would have walked.
See why we needed to lose the previous 3 games to the Rays?
Swings through an 87mph meatball down the middle, like I’ve never seem that before.
A-rod should be going to the Dominican Republic with Kevin Long this summer to help learn how to not swing at pitches in the dirt. This year he just doesnt look the same.
“Oh crap, game already over in Tampa Bay.
Turns out the Red Sox perform an Ian-Kennedy on Kazmir”
yawn
Please Yankee fans no standing ovations for Griffey Jr. he didn’t seam grateful of it the last time he was here in June with the Reds.
Come on Rays….
Who would have though that in September Yankee fans would be rooting for the Rays…
I blame the ump for that strikeout of A-Rod. He calls ball 4 a strike, forcing A-Rod to have to swing at anything remotely near the plate. The MLB has got to do something about these umps.
another nice inning for fredo…i like to call him fredo
Mo on the BP show said he told Girardi that he doesn’t care about the game situation on Sunday night, he wants to pitch the last inning in the Stadium. If anyone has earned the right to close out the Stadium, it is Mo.
Hey, anyone notice all the empty seats behind home plate?
Any chance that’s all bankers who…err…have other priorities tonight?
“Mo on the BP show said he told Girardi that he doesn’t care about the game situation on Sunday night, he wants to pitch the last inning in the Stadium. If anyone has earned the right to close out the Stadium, it is Mo.”
True, but what if Pettite is going for a perfect game or no-hitter? Hey, it could happen!
“Any chance that’s all bankers who…err…have other priorities tonight?”
funny yet sad and scary at the same time
THE X-MAN DELIEVERS!!!!
X man cometh
X nailed that.
Buehrle’s stuff is mediocre at best. This is exactly the pitcher we need to crush, but don’t.
Despite that home run, the X-Man’s swing is too long for long-term success in the AL.
Interesting thought. Now that the pressure is off the Yankees to win, they’re winning.
nhr nady
its the full moon, that means the great Yankee’s legends have came out.
Nice X!
That’s more like it X.
SJ44,
Just to point out a minor mistake in a previous thread – Joe Torre did not have the record for most games managed without a World Series, his record was most games combined – playing and managing – without a WS. Gene Mauch and a few others had more games just as a manager without reaching the WS.
Enjoying your points but just clarifying that stat. rock on.
Well, Nady may have dropped off a bit, but he sure nailed that ball.
Nick in SF
Are you channeling Brandon tonight?
Moeller almost have one.
pat: actually I was teasing Brandon. I’m pro-X-Man and I vote!
Matzusucker is a quirky guy. He will walk a ton of hitters but if you don’t capitalize on that he can definitely hunker down.
anyone thinks we will see Sanchez debut later?
Anyone else seen Hughes with his glasses on? lol
Olendorf showing Pittsburgh his true self.
Matzusucker is a quirky guy. He will walk a ton of hitters but if you don’t capitalize on that he can definitely hunker down.
that what gets me, he walks the whole lineup yet no damage has done to his ERA, or his winning record.
Ed – once again case in point! Grrr!!!
No Trevor, I haven’t seen him with his glasses on, are they like Edwars?
What is LaRussa doing there?
“The fact is this. Posada’s educated and well informed opinion is not what the common and uninformed fan wants to hear. As the expression goes: THE TRUTH HURTS.”
I don’t care what Posada said. The Yankees have to know what the kid is capable of, or at least they better know. If he is a starter, then start him. If he is a reliever, then put him in the pen. I really don’t understand what all the controversy is about? Well, yes I do. The majority on this blog, and in the media do not trust Yankee leadership. From Girardi, to Cashman, to Steinbrenner, most of us don’t believe that they know what they’re doing. And that says alot about how far this franchise has fallen.
Questioning decisions is one thing, but questioning decisions about players abilities and positions is another. Posada, I think, is expressing a feeling most of us have – Yankee brass is clueless!!
I like how Kay said LaRussa “flew on his own dime” — was Girardi supposed to treat him to a flight?
Brett Gardner has reached his major league ceiling. What is seen is as good as he’ll ever get.
Look for him to be part of a winter deal.
What is LaRussa doing there?
the cardinals are off today? lol
Laura
Michael Kay must have heard you. If you don’t have the YES broadcast, Kay just said that LaRussa wanted a last visit to Yankee Stadium and is doing it on an off-day.
The Cardinals have an off day. La Russa must have just wanted to see the Stadium. They just finished in Pitt and are going to Cinn.
Very cool.
I wonder how long Aceves’ honeymoon will last before teams begin to Rasnerize him.
“Michael Kay must have heard you. If you don’t have the YES broadcast, Kay just said that LaRussa wanted a last visit to Yankee Stadium and is doing it on an off-day.”
I’m in Chicago so I’m watching the Sox broadcast (which is torturous!!). They didn’t explain why Tony was there; just showed him sitting in the stands. I think it’s cool that he wanted to see the stadium one last time.
Hughes glasses look like something similar to what Betimit wears.
Apparently, the WS broadcasters plan on showing all of the celebrities who are in attendance. They just showed “Bobby Bacala” from the Sopranos.
what’s the hgihest?
Who was Jorge waving at and blowing kisses to last inning?
If the truth hurts, how would Posada feel if other Yankees went around pointing out how the better pitchers never want to pitch to him. Randy Johnson and Mussina picked Flaherty over him, Molina now is the choice of the veterans.
His home runs (and Piazza playing across town) overshadowed the fact that he is not a very good catcher.
How would he like it if another Yankee said, the next time Posada blocks the plate will be the first?
“From Girardi, to Cashman, to Steinbrenner, most of us don’t believe that they know what they’re doing.”
For me it’s not that I don’t think they know what they’re doing (except Hank). It’s more so that they’re extremely secretive. When a player like Posada says something like that, to me it seems like they’re speaking the truth.
I could be wrong, but Posada never seemed like the kind of guy that just talks out of his a$$.
O Canada, the highest army rank in the US is “General of the Army”.
Aceves may not be The Franchise or the Second Coming, but what if he simply knows how to throw strikes and get people out? Could he not be a cheap solution to next year’s #5 starter. I actually like the fact that he’s not been overhyped. Personally, I’ve seen enough of the Yankees braintrust’s brainy picks — especially when it comes to young pitchers.
“Randy Johnson and Mussina picked Flaherty over him, Molina now is the choice of the veterans.”
I don’t think that is something you can really hide…
Last I checked Flaherty and Posada don’t look quite the same.
Is this the start of that 0-32 slump for Jeter?
canada guy– highest decoration is THE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR
Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration.
The thing here is that Posada only spoke his personal “truth” – his opinion. He was asked a two-word question: Joba Chamberlain. And he gave his thought. That was it. He wasn’t speaking any great truths and he wasn’t saying anything that hasn’t been bandied about by pretty much everyone involved with the Yankees, both inside and out (fans, media). He also was not commenting on the talent of Joba – just where he thought the Yankees should use that talent.
And his logic was a bit flawed, because, the Yankees are not going to rush Joba to 200 innings.
Congratulations to Bobby Abreu! With that single he just became the holder of the record of most Yankee Stadium base hits by a New York Yankees outfielder who is afraid that the outfield wall will devour him whole if he gets to close to it. This record won’t cross the street to the new Stadium, so it will be Bobby’s forever.
ER,
Did Pedoria suck you off tonight?
Oh, I thought so.
O Canada
September 15th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
..which is the second highest military decoration of the United States Army.â€
what’s the hgihest?
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US Army – Distinguished Service Cross
Navy/Marines – Navy Cross
air Force – Distinguished Flying Cross
I’m sure this was discussed already, but MIL waited too long to ax Yost. He has been bringing that team down for months.
THE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR – being awarded to all Yankee fans who will have watched at least 155 regular season games this season!
Ed, thanks but I think you misunderstood me. I mean the highest decoration awarded.
Part of me wants Jeter to wait till tomorrow to get that record when I will be gonig to my first game this year.
Doreen, I told Nick I would shut up about it, but please read point #4 of my Jorge doctrine here:
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....ent-535017
“Who was Jorge waving at and blowing kissed to last inning?”
It was to Joba. Letting him know that although he said he should be in the pen he just wanted to let him know he still has nothing but love for him.
thanks all.
lol. Nick. really.
Somebody should ask Bobby why he is so afraid of walls.
Geez, I think I could have hit that ball out.
MikeEff
September 15th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
canada guy– highest decoration is THE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR
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The correct name is Medal Of Honor. The word “Congressional” is incorrect.
Those lead off walks kill ya’ everytime.
mel -
Okay.
Rasner is that you pitching?
mel, you know I would never hold you to that!
Any interest in two tickets to Wed night game?
“Those lead off walks kill ya’ everytime.”
Except if you’re facing the Yankees offense.
Any interest in two tickets to Wed night game?
if you only posted this yesterday, i brought mines last night.
Okay, maybe I was too enthusiastic on what I said about Aceves. Maybe he is just a south-of-the-border version of Rasner. Please prove me wrong, Senor.
“Somebody should ask Bobby why he is so afraid of walls.”
He told me that it was because they aren’t soft.
Bobby likes soft.
Nick,
I made a promise, but it was too irresistible!
Jeez. That Thome guy has a really long swing.
Why should the Yankees take the word of a past his prime catcher as law. He likes Joba as a reliever big whoop! He hardly ever caught Joba as a starter so obviously he sees him better off as the 8th inning guy. Most of the hooplah surrounding this injury was created by the Yankees they overreact to all injuries especially when it is the golden arm of Justin Louis Chamberlain. If he proves unable to stay healthy as a starter put him in the pen forever but to put him there for his career because of one set-back is being a tad presumptive about this kids durability.
mel, I haven’t followed the back and forth on the Jorge issue but did go back and read what you just linked to. I think Jorge should shut his mouth period. In fact I think it’s almost laughable that he even made mention of it (and I got an even better chuckle reading Girardi’s comment that Joba would likely be in the rotation.) I have to tell you quite honestly that it is probably the first time I have read a comment a player has made in reference to a decision that is reserved for management. Maybe some of the players should be telling the press that Jorge’s catching days should be over? I’m sure he would take to that well!!!
Ooops, looks like the White Sox are beginning to Rasnerize Mr. Aceves.
jenn: If only I didn’t have class till 8.30!
Nick in SF
“Drive 4-5, by virtue of you quoting Spiro Agnew, former governor of Maryland, home of the University of Maryland Terrapins, the team that embarassed my own California Golden Bears over the weekend, you just made things worse for the Jorge bobblehead, not better.
Words have consequences!”
Ooops! I guess it sucks to be a bobblehead tonight,huh?
“Ooops, looks like the White Sox are beginning to Rasnerize Mr. Aceves.” This could read just as easily-Pavanosize, Ponsonsize, Pettitesize, Kennedysize!!!!
well, it looks like the trolls were late getting here, but, they’re up and chirping their stupidity now.
Tisha,
“THE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR – being awarded to all Yankee fans who will have watched at least 155 regular season games this season!”
I’ll make it. How will I collect? lol
Maybe one of the folks back in the Tri-State Area can answer this for me. What will be the cost for a family of four to attend a game next year at the new stadium? Let’s assume “average” seats — not nosebleed, not field level box. Let’s also factor in parking expense, plus four hotdogs and four sodas.
“Somebody should ask Bobby why he is so afraid of walls.”
Katie I’ve actually seen posters here make reference to that a number of times. Maybe someone can give the specifics but it seems he badly fractured his shoulder running into a wall some years back and that did him in.
Something like that.
I can’t believe some of you “fans” think Posada should keep quiet. A few points:
1. The Yankees would do well to have 25 players who care as deeply about winning and the team as Jorge does.
2. He’s a long-time, successful MLB catcher. His opinion carries a lot of weight.
3. How many pitchers, prospects and otherwise, has he seen come and go? 500? He might just know what he’s talking about. Let’s assume he knows more than you and I do. That much is certain.
4. The Yankees need more players willing to speak up about what they think this team needs to do to be successful. This team has plenty of guys who care only about themselves.
I personally do not agree with Jorge. But last I checked, a veteran player who carries respect throughout the game should be free to say what he wants and should be listened to.
Even Giambi should have been able to tag on that.
“THE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR – being awarded to all Yankee fans who will have watched at least 155 regular season games this season!â€
I think I’m on the clock I am somewhere in the 140′s and only 12 games left. We all should get a mulligan this season was not only unsuccessful but the games are like watching a snail climb out of a ditch.
Drive 4-5 -
The old rule was that it had to be every game, but since I missed my first of the season yesterday, I appealed to my Senator and was able to have the rule changed to 155!
Bobby has been afraid of walls ever since his friend Guillermo handed him a smuggled version of Pink Floyd’s classic album. He was afraid he was never going to get his pudding, because he wouldn’t eat his meat.
well said Peter
He can’t hit but that guy sure can catch!
trisha – BRING BOBBY BACK!
September 15th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
“Somebody should ask Bobby why he is so afraid of walls.â€
Katie I’ve actually seen posters here make reference to that a number of times. Maybe someone can give the specifics but it seems he badly fractured his shoulder running into a wall some years back and that did him in.
Something like that.
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Pretty close, Trisha. He slammed into a wall in 1997 and had a badly seperated shoulder that has always been weak. That was the main reason he was left exposed to the expansion draft, then, Tampa traded him to Philadelphia for Kevin Stocker, a part time shortstop who was gone in less than a year.
Griffey robbed us of a hit, and now we robbed Griffey back.
why is aceves done because he gave up one homerun…baffles my mind..fans shouldnt act like that
“I personally do not agree with Jorge. But last I checked, a veteran player who carries respect throughout the game should be free to say what he wants and should be listened to.”
I like Jorge a lot Pete he is one of the few Yankees who cares more about results than the contents of their wallet. However to throw out strong opinions about the role of another player when you were away from the team for most of the year is a bit arrogant. What does Joba want? Nobody ever seems to acknowledge this guy as a person, I’m sure he has an idea of what he’d like to be. However it is mostly us fans or other players commenting on what his role should be. What if Joba said “Jorge should play 1B, I dont think he has the arm or durability to be behind the plate anymore.” I am sure Jorge wouldn’t be pleased which is why he shouldn’t try to define other players roles.
Pete, I disagree with your take. For me it has nothing to do with his positioning in the game, his veteran status, his passion or anything else. To me it is none of his business and he is sticking his nose where it does not belong – in management decisions. If he wants to take Girardi aside and give his position, then that’s a different story. Personally I think Jorge should spend his time on trying to figure out why some of the better pitchers in the game prefer that he doesn’t catch their games. His expertise is in catching, not in figuring out who should be in the pen and who should start.
I think Derek Jeter cares deeply about winning as does Mariano Rivera. I have never heard either give an opinion on where another player should be playing. As it should be, in my opinion.
Griffey, playing defense? It feels like 96 again.
No comment from this “fan”.
Thanks, OC!
Brett has a hit….
Finally, he bunts for a hit.
Al from BK – I can probably have it changed down to 150, which would take care of your situation. The reason it will probably happen is that there have probably been fewer than 12 games that were really worth the watch!
I’m tired of the Posada talk personally, but I think Pete needs to be more tolerant of people who don’t share his views. At times he comes out with some strong opinions that many disagree with. I don’t think he is the arbiter of all thinks Yankee.
Agreed Pete. I heard Kay talking about the interview. he relayed a story. When the Yankees were one hit in Boston, he came yelling and screaming in the clubhouse that this isn’t the Yankee way etc etc, the team went on to win something like 20 out of 30.
He has fire in his belly that the team is sorely lacking.
I think some of the things people feared with Joe G are coming true. That it is difficult for him to manage guys he played with and against. Now (a little late I might add) He just may be realizing that he can discipline a player. Maybe he is finally becoming comfortable in his skin as a manger.
Yay! Brett taking GB7′s advice.
Melky teaches Brett how to slide into first and he steals his job. No good deed goes unpunished.
“I guess it sucks to be a bobblehead tonight,huh?”
Only for a bad bobblehead. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....861380236/
Will Jeter GiDP?
Sox enjoying batting practice against Kazmir tonight. Four home runs…leading 7-1.
“Al from BK – I can probably have it changed down to 150, which would take care of your situation. The reason it will probably happen is that there have probably been fewer than 12 games that were really worth the watch!”
Thanks Trish. I would hate to lose the medal of honor because of a few measly games
Papa Jeter likes it.
So Kazmir has given up only four hits through 3+ innings. Unfortunately, all have been HRs.
7-1 Sox.
Son of *****
Steinbrenners should be banned for life from baseball for ditching Yankee Stadium. How do you demo a cathedral, and move into a concrete box filled with the jock straps of Ramirez, Ortiz, Schilling, and Varitek??
I am eager for Humberto to get into a game. Also to see Phil on Wed.
Now that’s irony. Keep it going, Fredo!
bob your a little crude.
“Steinbrenners should be banned for life from baseball for ditching Yankee Stadium. How do you demo a cathedral, and move into a concrete box filled with the jock straps of Ramirez, Ortiz, Schilling, and Varitek??”
im sending this in as my vote for dumbest post of the day!
Mel, I think everyone knows that he should been doing that since the first day, but, I have no idea why it’s taken this many games for the first one. He’s always been able to bunt and hit, but, it’s like he’s afraid to hit the ball and prays for a walk. He could easily add 60-70 hits a year.
Does Shilling also want credit for a bloody jockstrap?
The Ortiz jersey was just a decoy. The new stadium is littered with Boston trinkets embedded in concrete…
Actually I’m pretty peaceful about what does or does not happen with the Sux at this point. Of course they are not allowed to win the world series!
Unless and until they reach 26 rings without the Yankees winning another, to me they will always be what they have been and continue to – a second run who may put up good seasons here and there.
YAY-UH!
Funny pickoff, I am just glad Gardner ran it out. Anyone else would have just stopped. Gardner kept going and got rewarded for actually running back and forth.
Ugh, troll time apparently.
Bob- Grow up really. Run along now. You know there are Boston sites.
Angel
Apparently they don’t know how to use google to search for bosoxs blogs.
Ross lasted 3 innings vs. the Dodgers. 5 hits, 4 walks, 3 ER. And 2 K’s!
I am happy for Aceves. Another solid start, he needs some run support though.
I don’t go to Sux sites but I have heard that their creme de la creme is something called Sons of Sam Horn and boasts thousands of fans. Why would a Sux fan choose to be here rather than there? Boggles the imagination.
I’m not going to feed the trolls. This is all I’m saying 26-7, now GTFO!
Between Jeter, Cano, A-Rod and Abreu, we’ve hit into some 71 DP’s this year. Vlad at top with 27, Jeter 3 behind.
Pete said –
“The Yankees need more players willing to speak up about what they think this team needs to do to be successful.”
Why? I thought that was the job of the coaches, manager, and GM. And what Trisha said is correct, if they have an opinion about the positioning of another player, then speak to the person in authority that can address the matter. How does making this public accomplish anything, except sell newspapers and provide fodder for sports talk radio? Like I said previously, too many guys on this team do not believe in Yankee management, therefore, they will air their complaints publicly.
“This team has plenty of guys who care only about themselves.”
Like Jorge Posada? Of course you couldn’t mean those paragons of team play Arod, or Pavano? NAH!!!!!
“This is all I’m saying 26-7, now GTFO!”
Indeed!
trisha agreed, I don’t get it either.
“I don’t go to Sux sites but I have heard that their creme de la creme is something called Sons of Sam Horn and boasts thousands of fans. Why would a Sux fan choose to be here rather than there? Boggles the imagination.”
Trisha it is the nature of a fan of a second class team to spend all their time and energy attempting to annoy the fans of the superior teams fans it human nature to hate on the
best. Historically there are no higher than the pinstripes.
What the heck is up with use of “fans”, just because people happen to disagree with what Posada did.
Last time I checked quite a few of the people who hold that opinion have been fans on this team for much longer than you have covered them, and have stuck by them through the lean years and the championship years, and will continue to do so – regardless of if they agree with what Posada said or not.
Disparaging their fandom, because they happened to (politely, I might add) disagree on this one particular issue, is just amazing to me.
Get this guy some runs!
Very solid work by Aceves. He’s no Ian Kennedy (thank God).
Pete- You are a principled man.
What Angel said. That really was an unnecessary and inaccurate knock.
lol, jennifer.
I have zero opinion on Fenway Park, I’m just amazed to see a Sox fan taking time out of what should be an exciting game in Tampa for their team, to give us his opinions on Yankee stadium, lol.
Trisha it is the nature of a fan of a second class team to spend all their time and energy attempting to annoy the fans of the superior teams fans it human nature to hate on the
best.
4th place in the AL East? Mission accomplished.
My god, 11-1 Sox.
I wanna see some of those RBIs in our game!
Without a doubt the Yankees have the most stellar history in baseball.
But some of you are living in the past.
How many of the current Yankees have been on a World Series championship? Very few…I’m thinking probably only Jeter, Pettite, Posada, and Rivera.
So keep talking to yourself about the “26″. I hope it gives you happiness.
Uhh, excuse me, Bob, but your last post made absolutely no sense whatsoever — not to mention your butchering of the King’s English.
BoSox Bob –
“fan of a second class team”
Glad to know you know your place.
So are you telling me the majority opinion is positive on the move to the new YS?? Wow… What a waste. Talk about messing with Karma…
“Trisha it is the nature of a fan of a second class team to spend all their time and energy attempting to annoy the fans of the superior teams fans it human nature to hate on the best. Historically there are no higher than the pinstripes.”
Al, I know you are correct. I find Sux fans to be more needy than Mets fans in that respect but it’s probably because the Yanks have exacted much more punishment on the Sux, being an AL team.
OMG – yet again SHOCKED at how a market the size of Boston has nowhere for their fans to go to talk about baseball?
lol, the arrogance of these trolls assuming the Yankees will never win a 27 is hilarious.
“But some of you are living in the past.”
Red Sox won it in 04 and 07…….Why are you living in the past?
U-G-L-Y
9 ER in 3 innings for Kazmir. He’s no ace.
Might as well give the Boston Bas-tards their World Series trophy now and get the needle and pain over with.
“I can’t believe some of you “fans†think Posada should keep quiet.”
This LoHud blog insult was brought to you by Lace and Stiletto. Open 7 days!
at least Giambi is pushing up his pitch count.
“So keep talking to yourself about the “26″. I hope it gives you happiness.”
When the score is 26-7, that 26 can really keep you warm for a very long time. But you’d probably have to be on the 26 side of that equation to understand.
Pepitone
Winning in 2007 makes them the current champions!
trisha – BRING BOBBY BACK!
September 15th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
What Angel said. That really was an unnecessary and inaccurate knock.
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And, according to last night, I’m the one that needs to “show some class”. Go figure.
Peter Abe.: “They asked me to do it and I passed”
Somehow I doubt this is true; they would have asked Tyler Kepner first before asking you.
“Winning in 2007 makes them the current champions!”
Uhhhhh…this is 2008 BugWit. You are not the current champions of 2008, you are the defending champions of 2007. You can’t be champions of 2008 until you actually win the WS in 2008.
Understand now?
mel
September 15th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
U-G-L-Y
“9 ER in 3 innings for Kazmir. He’s no ace.”
I can’t think of a single ace that does not occasionally have a bad game.
I would have Kamir on my team in a heartbeat!
Reigning champions means current until someone wins the 2008 series.
“You can’t be champions of 2008 until you actually win the WS in 2008.”
And if that unlikely event were to happen the score would be 26-8. Still a Yankee slam dunk in my book!
wow, Coke is dealing.
Wonderful job by Aceves.
Hey did you notice how many Yankees stretched out to make plays tonight? Too funny!!!
Coke is good
After knocking people for not “showing some class” and then, puuting “fans” in quotation marks, I can’t believe that hypocrisy would be an issue.
Who did the Pirates take instead of Coke? Think they’re kicking themselves?
Who did the Pirates take instead of Coke? Think they’re kicking themselves?
good old Jeff Karestens.
Jeff Karstens.
I think Pete gets a bit of underserved crap on this blog, and I rarely take issue or offense in what he says or his opinion. But I think that might be the first time I’ve ever been truly disappointed in something I’ve seen posted on here, where I felt compelled to say something.
I expect better than that.
The Rays may be showing both signs of wear and inexperience. No matter where they end up Joe Maddon should be manager of the year. They have a tough schedule to end out their season, with four games against Minny.
guess Girardi doesn’t want to use Sanchez since it’s late in the game.
They’ve gotta be hearing foot steps. Can’t be too pleasant.
Why would the White Sox bring in one of their worst relief pitchers-because the Yankee hitters can’t hit someone they haven’t faced before??
finally some small ball.
Cody Ransom for super utility guy next year.
That’s what I was thinking Ed. I was hoping to see Humberto pitch today, oh well.
The Pirates took Daniel McCutchen instead, Mel.
*rubs eyes* was that a bunt!
too soon, Girardi..too soon.
Cody Ransom for super utility guy next year.
Kay said he’s playing for a position next year or getting Betemit out of the picture as the utility guy.
That’s what I was thinking Ed. I was hoping to see Humberto pitch today, oh well.
Rob, just curious..do you post at OS forums? your name is familiar, that’s why im asking.
Tabata and Karstens were always in the deal. The package included Coke/Kontos or Ohlendorff/McCutchen
Does anyone else think it’s sort of lame that they play Pearl Jam’s “Better Man” every time Wilson comes to the plate? Unless of course he has requested the song in which case I say rock on to your 90s grunge music Wilson, cuz we can’t find a better man.
trisha- keep repeating that dribble about the defending world champions and you just might believe it. you are positively obsessed with the sox.. and everyone reading this blog for any significant amount of time knows it. its like the lost love of your life was a boston fan.
Cervelli debut next inning? hmm…
Betemit should just drop the switch hitting and be a permanent lefty.
*********BREAKING STORY*********
The Tampa Bay Rays have announced the hiring of former Milwaukee Brewers manager Ned Yost to chair the newly-formed Joe Maddon Advisory Board. Yost will sit next to Maddon in the dugout and give him unsolicited advice. Yost is said to be an expert in September swoons, a subject which Maddon is said to be intrigued by. Details to come.
*********DEVELOPING STORY***********
ok, i SPOKE to soon. but that’s still lucky.
Wilson Betemit, pinch hitter extrodinaire.
every time someone smack talks Betamit he does something good (breaking up a no hitter…)
You know a lot of posters really crack on Wilson but the guy has really gotten some key hits in games for us.
Good on ya Wilson!
Hahaha Nick
Wilson Vegemite! OH YEAH!
Good job Wilson
The Tampa Bay Rays have announced the hiring of former Milwaukee Brewers manager Ned Yost to chair the newly-formed Joe Maddon Advisory Board. Yost will sit next to Maddon in the dugout and give him unsolicited advice. Yost is said to be an expert in September swoons, a subject which Maddon is said to be intrigued by. Details to come.
panic hiring? just in case the Rays collasped.
I think it was funny, (not funny haha but funny) that the Pirates claimed Kontos or Coke had a bad shoulder to take them out of the deal. But only did so because they caught heat for not getting top prospects in return. I read that Coke was non to pleased, about the report since he never had an mri.
I too wonder if they are regretting not taking Coke in the deal.
every time someone smack talks Betamit he does something good (breaking up a no hitter…)
probably it’s just a good luck charm. he does need some motivation. lol, but i wasn’t really talking smack. it was just a suggestion.
Wilson Betemit is an excellent bench player— one of the best bench players in baseball.
He can hit for power, average, is patient, can play all 4 infield positions and plays gold glove defense at 3rd, and is an excellent pinch hitter.
What more could you ask for?
De4bbie, the word you’re so desperately searching for is “drivel”, not “dribble”. Just a suggestion for you…study more and troll less.
gold glove third? HAHA is that some kind of a joke? Or are you related to him?
I somehow bet that Wilson wouldn’t like Vegemite.
lol, youk. Speaking of U-G-L-Y.
The ace thing is an inside joke.
“Heyman heard recent “scuttlebutt” that C.C. Sabathia does not want to play for the Yankees. They’re still expected to make a large offer, and Heyman also expects a big play from the Angels. Sabathia reportedly prefers California but has become more open-minded to other locations.” –MLBTR
So what do we think, is this just nonsense to jack up the price?
2 Ks and a GIDP. Jeter is due.
He can hit for power, average, is patient, can play all 4 infield positions and plays gold glove defense at 3rd, and is an excellent pinch hitter.
that’s a joke right? obviously, you haven’t seen enough of him.
Ed – I’m just kidding
it is funny though…same thing happened the last time.
Pete, why wouldnt you do it? It would have been hypocritical, but so what?!?!?!? I still would’ve done it. Its a once in a lifetime chance, and if they asked you of all the analysts and the writers, its an honor
“He can hit for power, average, is patient, can play all 4 infield positions and plays gold glove defense at 3rd, and is an excellent pinch hitter.”
This is the funniest post I’ve read here tonight. BeteStrikeOut has two clutch hits this season; breaking up that no hitter and tonight. He sucks at 1B, SS and 2B and plays a average 3B. The sooner he’s off the team, the better off they’ll be.
i have to admit i was sitting here getting ticked at Betemit hitting against the lefty instead of Pudge, doing the usual,uh, questioning of Girardi’s tactics.
What did Kay mean when he says “he’s no longer the closer, now he sets up…” Doesn’t the best pitcher always set up?
“trisha- keep repeating that dribble about the defending world champions and you just might believe it. you are positively obsessed with the sox.. and everyone reading this blog for any significant amount of time knows it. its like the lost love of your life was a boston fan.”
YAWN!!!
Ed – I’m just kidding it is funny though…same thing happened the last time.
lol hahas, alrights dude.
Nady puts it on the board, yessssssss!
“Heyman heard recent “scuttlebutt†that C.C. Sabathia does not want to play for the Yankees. They’re still expected to make a large offer, and Heyman also expects a big play from the Angels. Sabathia reportedly prefers California but has become more open-minded to other locations.†–MLBTR
Sounds about right. I never thought that CC wanted to come here. Once I saw what he was doing to NL hitting, it only cemented that theory in my mind. I’d be very surprised if he comes here.
anyone think Jeter is nervous about getting the hit? he’s just like A-Rod aiming for that 500 homers last season.
GB –
I don’t have my XM subscription this season (I’m not missing much) but does John Sterling say, “Coke is it!” after he pitches a good inning?
Laura- Your tag is funny. I thought about that listening to the start of the Yankee game. Ace gave up a double to the first hitter, he’s like good start for the soxs, than I think it was a pop up, and a out, he’s like bad luck for the soxs, all sad.
I’m thinking if that happened to the Yankees the WS announcers would be thrilled not all down.
Yeah I know the Yankees have stunk all year, but I am still rooting for them to do well. Apparently Sterling hasn’t gotten the same memo.
Ed, I think it probably is a case of nerves. And who could blame him right?
thats probably what your ex was thinking.
Hey Ed I might post on OS forum only im not sure what the initials are lol I do tend to stick with “Rob NY” or some variation thereof throughout the Yankee “blogdom” if that’s a word.
Ed, I think it probably is a case of nerves. And who could blame him right?
and the cameras must have been bothering him as well.
“Laura- Your tag is funny. I thought about that listening to the start of the Yankee game. Ace gave up a double to the first hitter, he’s like good start for the soxs, than I think it was a pop up, and a out, he’s like bad luck for the soxs, all sad.”
They are the worst AL announcers for sure. The TB guys are pretty bad, but Hawk takes the cake. It’s like listening to a ten year old broadcast the game.
Rob,
I could see it. Sabathia just really seems like he does not want to come here. I am not sure who our secondary options are— Burnett? Sheets? Both? Trade Cano for pitching?
Maybe he doesn’t want to shave? Maybe he doesn’t want to play pressurized baseball? I think it runs deeper than a NY thing.
Hey Ed I might post on OS forum only im not sure what the initials are lol I do tend to stick with “Rob NY†or some variation thereof throughout the Yankee “blogdom†if that’s a word.
Rob, yeah that’s the name. you tend to give advices on yankee player’s stance/motion for roster edit right?
Oh snap who saw Hughes in his new SPECS!
Oh snap who saw Hughes in his new SPECS!
i did. looks awesome. lol
I could not agree with Posada’s statement more………Joba should be coming out of the Pen…..he is much more effective and when he hands it to MO, its lights OUT.
Nick, he was the closer in KC for a year, and like Bruney, started walking people and getting hammered, so KC traded him to Chicago. I think he had 27 saves the first year, stunk, had 21 saves and still stunk.
if Joba and Mo holds up OR more offense in the bottom of the 8th, Coke is going to recieve his first major league win although Aceves should get it.
“he is much more effective”
Well okay then. Case closed!
uh oh in mets land getting blown out by nationals
Second win.
The Nats don’t score runs, yet some how they manage to put up 7.
EPIC Collapse part DEUX
So why is it that the Yankees play the “At PC Richards” whistle every time somebody strikes out?
at least we wont be getting verbal abused by mets fan for a while
great catch by Joba.
“keep repeating that dribble about the defending world champions”
Debbie, what’s a “dribble”? Is that something you Red Sox fans do when you contemplate the enormous advantage the Yankees have over your team in every category of Major League Baseball?
Let’s see, your team has had the privilege of “defending” your titles twice since 1916, while the Yankees have been defending their titles for 26 of the past 80 or so years.
Yup, that’s dribble all right.
“So why is it that the Yankees play the “At PC Richards†whistle every time somebody strikes out?”
Money
Always comes down to money! Hope that stays at the old stadium with YMCA and Cotten Eyed Joe.
uh oh in mets land getting blown out by nationals
and some Met fans are probably thinking..here we go again!
Mets getting 1-hit
debbie
September 15th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
thats probably what your ex was thinking.
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WOW!!! You sure told them/him/her.
You’re not very good at trying to rag people. Pretty amateurish, actually. Go practice ragging on your little brother.
I would normally refer it to ranking someone, but, it’s doubtful that you’d understand that.
Paul Konerko took 30 swings in the batting cage and pronounced himself ready to start Tuesday.
Pettitte be ready tomorrow.
Isn’t a ‘dribble’ a milkshake at Friendly’s?
What? That’s a Fribble?
Never mind.
“and some Met fans are probably thinking..here we go again!”
The Mutts are probably fine regardless. If they don’t win the division, there is still the Wild Card. MIL isn’t playing like they want to win it so if PHI gets the East, the Mets have the WC as consolation.
oh mr. green beret man… please stop.
i smell another disappointing lost for pettite tomorrow
The Yankees need to go all out for Sabathia and do a good job of making him feel comfortable/wanted. They should follow these steps in their recruiting process:
1. Make Jeter, A-Rod, and Posada recruit him here. Have them fly out to San Fran and wine and dine him. Have them wine and dine him on the East Coast and make sure they accentuate the positives of being a Yankee. Make him feel wanted. Same thing with Girardi, Hank, Hal, Cashman etc.
2. Give him the Stick Michael’s “Westchester” tour. Show CC the suburbs if he doesn’t like city-life. Introduce him to the gated communities in Westchester/NJ. Show him the open space, good schools, quaint rivers towns etc. show him the opposite of Manhattan. Also, show him around the city too. Ease his fears of NYC.
3. Show him tours of the new stadium. Let him see the beautiful new ballpark we are moving into. Give him an exclusive tour.
4. Give him an offer he cannot refuse and that no team will approximate. 8/$175 million or something. It is going to sting, but we have to.
I really wish they’d stop booing. It is getting disgusting.
Wow Romo is associated with all sorts of bonehead plays…
“Is that something you Red Sox fans do when you contemplate the enormous advantage the Yankees have over your team in every category of Major League Baseball?”
the Red Sox i think do have one advantage over the Yankees in one important category: making their fans want to jump off a bridge or something
Wow, Cano just got booed.
lol, debbie has phabulous phonetic spelling skillzzzz.
Romo. TeeHee
“1. Make Jeter, A-Rod, and Posada recruit him here. Have them fly out to San Fran and wine and dine him. Have them wine and dine him on the East Coast and make sure they accentuate the positives of being a Yankee. Make him feel wanted. Same thing with Girardi, Hank, Hal, Cashman etc.”
I think the last thing he needs is that many dinners.
I really don.t care if he reliefs or starts but if it out of the pen I want the 7th & 8th two innings not just one
lol@the boobirds. So freaking predictable, its funny.
What the Yankees have to do is promise to relocate or replicate CC’s west coast crib in Westchester County. So CC can have the same home on both coasts. And give him a lot of money.
Isn’t it funny how a red sox fan is on a Yankee blog, saying Yankee fans are obsessed? Am I the only one that sees the irony in this?
the Red Sox picture that MLB.com put up, it looked like they just made a comeback in the World Series.
“I would normally refer it to ranking someone, but, it’s doubtful that you’d understand that.”
Because you’re so smart and post here more than most people?
feed me seymour, feed me!
the nationals bullpen is really bad…
Who got booed? A-Rod?
Reading debbie’s posts = listening to Charlie Brown’s teacher.
nvm i take it back
“Give him an offer he cannot refuse and that no team will approximate. 8/$175 million or something. It is going to sting, but we have to.”
Why not 10 -15 years at $300 million. That will sting too, but we have to do it!!!!! We just have to do it!! We have to do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“They’re coming to take me away, ha ha, they’re coming to take me away, he he ho ho ha ha, to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time and pretty birds are chirping away, and they’re coming to take me away….AH HA!”
With appropriate acknowledgment to the talents of Napoleon IV.
and the Mets blew the comeback away….
thanks trish!
“Let’s see, your team has had the privilege of “defending†your titles twice since 1916, while the Yankees have been defending their titles for 26 of the past 80 or so years. ”
Pepitone, I hope you have a wonderful October this year relishing your 26 titles.
cano got booed of course
It’s probably time for Pedro Martinez to retire.
What happened to the rule about throwing after x number of seconds?
“feed me seymour, feed me!”
Now, Debbie, that’s disgusting and immoral.
It’s really bad too.
Oh well, you’re a Red Sox fan what more should we expect. If you were in my classroom I would send you to the principal for a spanky.
Is it just me or do the Yankees not know how to run the bases. First Giambi finds himself too committed to tag on a fly center and now Abreu commits too far to get back and tag.
Jeez this fundamental.
Have any one of these “trolls” ever explained the fun of posting on a Yankees’ blog? I just don’t get it…(rhetorical question, I don’t really care. It just seems a little odd)
Abreu was running on the pitch
If we don’t sign Sabathia, we MUST SIGN Sheets AND Burnett.
The chances are one of them will be injured, so we need insurance just incase. If we sign both, chances are one will stay healthy. That way we are not screwed. Signing one is not enough. We have money, take a chance. If we get Sheets and AJ healthy at the same time with Wang, Joba, and Mussina then we will be unstoppable.
BURNETT AND SHEETS!!
Nice play for Cano.
Cano, hustled…wow!!!
Cano: tough love works!
If the Yankees hold on and win tonight it will be another game that the cleanup hitter has no impact on the victory – He has had an impact on one game (yesterday0 in recent memory. I wonder how many teams win say 10 or so games without their cleanup hitter being involved. Good thing the Yankees have other hitters to pick up the slack
Robi ran like his feet was on fire there
i like spanky.
Brandon that is funny!!
“Pepitone, I hope you have a wonderful October this year relishing your 26 titles.”
Oh I will, I’ll also enjoy watching your team eliminated in the playoffs, while the Angels go on to the W.S. and play the Cubs.
Also, being a fan of THE U.S.C. Trojans is going to make for a very pleasing October, and November, and December, and January.
Toodles!!
God bless the feet of that man.
DeSean Jackson!!!
It kills me that he’s on the hated Eagles. But at least he’s doing it against the hated Cowboys.
Could it be possible that the Yankee Gods doesn’t want the stadium to this Sunday and sending the Yanks to the playoffs???
“Pepitone, I hope you have a wonderful October this year relishing your 26 titles.”
Pep, that has the rehearsed sound of someone who has practiced saying it for the past 13 years!!!! Of course during six of those years he had his own wonderful October relishing his team’s 4 titles!!!!!
Congratulations to Phil Coke on his first ML win.
Yeah, I’m from Boston and those 17 Celtics championships keep me all warm and fuzzy.
Your Yankees suck. Your Dad’s and his Dad’s Yankees were champions. You have 3. So get a life and I heard there’s some little league baseball game on ESPN you can go root for.
Rooting for your AA team and then calling them World Champs….what a bunch of losers…really
Hmmmm, DeSean Jackson may have made one of the dumbest plays of all time, sort of a solo Leon Lett. Either way, I predict he never makes that mistake again.
second win!!
This is a GREAT football game.
Wow. Craziest, stupidist play ever on MNF????
DeSean, you idiot!!!! That’s what happens when you leave school early.
Nice crisp game by Aceves, the pen, and the stellar defense!! Nice hustle by Cano on that last play. It was a beauty.
it’s funny how no one realized that they are standing/passing by LaRussa.
But a Sux fan hanging out on a Yankee forum doesn’t lack a life hey? HA HA HA HA HA!
“BURNETT AND SHEETS!!”
ROBINSON AND CANO!
XAVIER AND NADY!
SEALS AND CROFT!
MARTINEZ AND BLOOMBERG!(?)
Sell the farm Bertha, I’m going for it! A million here, a million there, what’s the difference? What? Pavano? Ok, but he was worth the risk…wasn’t he?
pepitone..you be a yankee fan and a usc fan? boy, you really like to go out on a limb … do’nt you?
second win!!
Kay just said FIRST MAJOR LEAGUE WIN.
Pepitone,
We can agree on one thing. I would like to see the Cubs in the World Series and if they are not playing against the Sox then win the World Series.
Kay is wrong. I’m almost positive he got the win on Saturday.
Good game by Aceves, great plays by Gardner, good pitch in by Wilson. Nice night all around!
26-7 is a mighty nice score.
Later y’all!
it would be great if the Yanks turn this into a 15-game winning streak, and if either the Red Sox or the Devil Rays lose all their remaining series, one being a sweep
“do’nt”
A real word in the Stew Pidity dictionary.
La Russa should have been our manager.
We should have nabbed him before he returned to the Cards. There is a proven winner and tactician. He would bat Giambi leadoff because of his high OBP and used Rivera in the 8th if the heart of the order was up and Bruney for the 9th.
92-70 and beating the Rays or Sux in a 1 game playoff to take the Wild Card !!! LOL
This Cowboys/Eagles game is totally wacky. It’s like a case study on freaky things happening in a game.
Nope…6th game, first win for Coke.
Congrats to Mo for passing Smith to own 2nd place on the all time saves list.
Phil Coke 2-0
I just look. I guess I stand corrected. I went by what our crack head radio announcers said the other day.
**looked**
george
September 15th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
“it would be great if the Yanks turn this into a 15-game winning streak, and if either the Red Sox or the Devil Rays lose all their remaining series, one being a sweep”
You guys want to know why Sox fans come on to this blog? Because you won’t find any better humor than posts like this. Very entertaining!!!!!
“Hmmmm, DeSean Jackson may have made one of the dumbest plays of all time, sort of a solo Leon Lett. Either way, I predict he never makes that mistake again.”
He’s extremely lucky no one from Dallas picked that ball up…the city of Philly would never forgive him.
keep your nose in those books trish!
“I’m from Boston and those 17 Celtics championships keep me all warm and fuzzy.”
Talking about someone living in the past! The last time you guys won a real championship was in 1986, and that was only because the Lakers weren’t in it. This years team won against a team that had it’s starting center out. Let’s see what you do this year, if you even make the playoffs.
2/3 of Celtic championships came during the Bill Russell era – and that ended in 1969!!!!!!!
Get over yourself, you’re a loser in a loser city. Oh, and by the way, 26 championships still beats 17 no matter what kind of math you use.
youk
Speaking of humor, I thought you weren’t coming back until Pedroia was named AL MVP….
Phil Coke 2-0
And to think he was almost dealt
Giants secondary is going to receive a huge test… both these teams can light it up through the air.
Joe M, I won’t argue over it, but, every line score and every site shows Coke with zero wins before tonight.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cokeph01.shtml
How awesome must it be to be Phil Coke. He struck out Ken Griffey Jr. Thats amazing
Coke and Tabata for Nady?
That could rival Lariano/Nathan for AJ Prezynski
If I stayed away I knew you would miss me Mike.
God that Mets BP
Pepitone,
Are you a Knicks fan? (chuckle, chuckle)
hmmm…Deshaun Jackson = Cano…?
uh oh theres 2 mikes and only 1 is me
Isin’t it sad that the best player on the Knicks may be Patrick Ewing’s son who we got for Fredrick Weiss?
“i like spanky.”
Debbie, you are a naughty girl.
“pepitone..you be a yankee fan and a usc fan? boy, you really like to go out on a limb … do’nt you?”
Yup, you see, Debbie, winners stick together, it’s genetic I think. That’s why you, and your other loser Red Sox fans, are jealous of us.
Isin’t it sad that the best player on the Knicks may be Patrick Ewing’s son who we got for Fredrick Weiss?
Nope it’s Nate Robinson, David Lee then Ewing Jr.
Thanks a lot, Wilson. I really didn’t need to be reminded that the Frederick Weis era is over.
Frowny face!
Joba’s response:
http://tinyurl.com/I-m-sick-and-tired-of-it
pepitone… i’m born and bred in new orleans! who dat?
“Are you a Knicks fan? (chuckle, chuckle)”
Youk,
Are you a Red Sox fan? (chuckle, chuckle)
p.s. No, I am a Los Angeles Lakers fan, and they’re shining up the Larry O’Brien trophy for us this upcoming season.
Sounds like Joba is telling Georgy why don’t you go to the pen … see what I mean.
I’m actually looking forward to the Knicks htis season and watching Crawford and Q-Rich throwing laly-oops to Randolph and Curry.
“pepitone… i’m born and bred in new orleans! who dat?” Who wot?
New Orleans? My condolences.
Pepitone,
No wonder you are upset since the Celtics “spanked” your Lakers in the finals.
And don’t bother with the injured center excuse. Celtics center was out of some of those games too.
Oh, yeah, funniest moment of the day: Giambi trying to deke out the baserunner on 2nd after he snared that liner. As if!
Good for Joba, everyone just needs to shut up and let management take care of that.
Problem solved
I am nervous. Sox leading 13-5 but Timlin pitching the top of the 9th.
And, once again, the Walter Cronkite of the YES Network asks the Girardi the question of the century, as Girardi is talking about the good aspects of the game, “Does this mean that Robbie Cano out of your doghouse, yet?”
Congratulations, Leon Powe!
Make that 8th inning.
Girardi postgame
Aceves was consistant and did an outstanding job…..he’s getting valuable experince….”It’s amazing what Mo has done, he’s so consistant….Mo is a great athlete….Asked if Robbie is out of the doghouse, “He’ll be an ongoing conversation”….Doesn’t think Jeter and Mo worry about personal milestones and that’s why they have been able to be so successful… They’ll enjoy the moments when the season is over…We’ve had timely hitting and the pitching has been very good.
Joba’s response:
http://tinyurl.com/I-m-sick-and-tired-of-it
I’m getting a “I wish people would keep their opinions to themselves” vibe from Joba.
but that’s just me.
Thanks for the link mel
For people who are lazy to read it, Joba responds to Georgy opinion
youk, i find it unfathomable that a Red Sox fan would spend a beautiful September evening anywhere a Yankee blog.
but if your tastes in entertainment extend beyond humor to math, here’s a very recent historical precedent for the weeks that have to occur. Since Aug. 31, the Dodgers have gone 11-2, the D-Backs 3-9.
Will Bill O’Reilly pull the countdown lever on Sunday?
pep… obviously you’ve never been down here! great food, great music…great hurricanes!!!
Mo postgame
“It’s alright” to break the tie with Smith….We won that’s the important thing….I love the guys on the mound before me tonight….We have a great bullpen….Likes Coke’s aggressiveness….We are not packing, we have to keep winning.
BTW, i realize the exact #s are off, that would only make up 8.5 games & not 9. the point is that it’s not like rooting for pigs to fly for a couple of weeks like that to happen.
My favorite quote from Joba: “Really, if I wanted advice, I’d just go to that guy’s [gestures towards a reporter trying to hide a candy bar from Joe Girardi] blog. You know, the… um… the LoDown blog, or whatever. They got some sharp cats on there. I love me some… um… that blog.”
Someone please get Aceves a translator, this is painful. He had one in Anahiem, where is he now?
Aceves
I felt good tonight….baseball is the same in the minors and big leagues just a different level…I just pitch the same.
Thank god I’m but Aceves stuttered more than Damon there.
“Celtics center was out of some of those games too.”
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Kendrick Perkins?????Are you kidding me? Are you serious?
Take Kevin Garnett out of your lineup during that series and let’s see who wins. That’s the kind of defensive presence Bynum brought to this team. Kendrick Perkins couldn’t hold Bynum’s jock!!!
No excuses, you guys won fair and square, but let’s see what you do this season. I don’t think you will be as pleased. Condolences.
Oh, no! Mo’s caught delusionalitis from Joe!! Quick quarantine him.
Anyone else think Aceves looks like an older version of Jim Leyritz? No way this guy is 25 lol
Aww. Its tough having to speak to the media yourself when english isn’t your first language. I dont blame Matsui for still using interpreters, even though his english isn’t bad.
Sometimes my co-workers need a translator to understand me, and we all speak english. I can only imagine its much harder when english is your second language and its more accented than mine is.
Aceves blank stare and confused puppy look to Kim Jones’ question was good.
mel
It’s funny how the media construes being positive as “delusional” If he had said we are out of it, they would run him out of town for conceding the season with games left saying that he lost the team, has a losers mentality etc.
Girardi just can’t win.
Pepitone,
Bynum is a very good player. But Perkins did handle pretty boy Gasol quite nicely at times.
Just saw the Eagles/Cowboys score. Is no one playing defense tonight?
Aceves was speaking spanglish in he lats question Kim asked about it being different in AAA and here lol
““It’s going to be what’s best for the team in the long run,†Chamberlain said. “But it’s your career. And you have to be a part of it. You have to take action and understand that you do what’s best for yourself, but the end goal is to win a championship.—
Joba is a pretty smart kid, I like him.
Aceves is another Rasner. Can’t strike out anyone, 6 inning wonder, decent control, no outpitch etc.
Fine as a long man/emergency starter but not someone who should compete for a spot in the rotation.
“He’s been around the game, but that’s his opinion,” Chamberlain said of Posada. “I’m not going to fault the guy for having an opinion. We all have our own opinions.”
Translation: “Keep your old, well payed nose out of my business, I want to start!”
“pep… obviously you’ve never been down here! great food, great music…great hurricanes!!!”
Debbie, are you inviting me to dinner, or to the hurricanes?
You Red Sox fans are ruthless!
Coke is 1-0 not 2-0….despite Kay’s trying to award Coke the win on Sat eve, it was Marte who got the win.
Given IPK last year and everyone calling Aceves a swing-man or 4/5 starter….when can we officially start getting excited??
Remember when Florida wanted Hughes and Cano for Dontrelle Willis?
Forntoso,
I heard there’s a banner hanging in the clubhouse,
We play for Pride, not for protected picks
So far I have not been impressed with either the Cowboys or Eagles defense. Especially the Cowboys. The Browns moved the ball quite well against them and the Browns stink. The Eagles are doing the same thing.
Calvin Pace will end the careers of Rivers, Sporales, Jackson, Chambers, Tomlinson, and Norv Turner next week.
“Perkins did handle pretty boy Gasol quite nicely at times.”
Youk, I could handle Gasol, and I haven’t played in 35 years.
Chunky soup tomorrow is rip Joba for answering back to Georgy..But Al from BK that’s exactly what I thought would happen, see Joba is human and if his heart isn’t into his role then your not gonna get 100% I’m glad he answered back.
I wonder what the final score of this Eagles/Cowboys game will be? 58-50?
Yoo-Hoo? Defense?
pep… how ’bout a hurricane brunch?
The New York Football Giants will be able to score on both of these teams.
Chunky soup tomorrow is going to rip Joba*
http://tinyurl.com/Joba-getting-all-proactive
“Calvin Pace will end the careers of Rivers, Sporales, Jackson, Chambers, Tomlinson, and Norv Turner next week.”
Thats the spirit. I’m already over the loss to 18-1, looking forward to MNF. ps Did you see when Pace sacked Cassel and he came up limping I was thinking that my predictions had come true.
The New York Jets will be able to on those 2 teams.
Hey, hey! Leave Pau alone!
I am curious to see how the NYG secondary will react to explosive offenses through the air like this.
Eli and Co will have a field day… they cannot get conservative, thats the key. They need to pull all the big plays out of the hat.
But the key for the Giants now is not to slip up… they don’t play a good team until Halloween time (Steelers). From there on, the schedule becomes brutal, they need to go 6-0 against these bad/mediocre teams.
“Chunky soup tomorrow is rip Joba for answering back to Georgy..But Al from BK that’s exactly what I thought would happen, see Joba is human and if his heart isn’t into his role then your not gonna get 100% I’m glad he answered back.”
Certainly Brandon. I know that Joba has a starters mentality and he thoroughly enjoyed schooling the Sux for 7 innings up in Fenway something that he could never do as a reliever.
Man, those Devil Rays fans sure know how to pack a stadium during their first pennant race….29,000. That city, like Miami, doesn’t deserve a team.
Just watched the replay of Nady’s HR. Posada was waving and blowing kisses at Nady as he rounded the bases.
During the word association portion of the interview, Posada said “HOT!” when Kay said “Xavier Nady”. They both cracked up at that one.
Francessa -
“Knock it off Jobber. Jorge is a winnah and the leadah of the team. When he says something, you listen. He wants you in the pen, I want you in the pen, this idear that you want to be a starter is mindless. You are a relievah, I want you to setup for Mariano then take over for him. Just keep your mouth shut and listen to Jorge. don’t be cocky”
“Oh and by the way, I wonder if Hank/Hal have noticed that Torre and the Dodgiz are doing. Torre and Manny. Manny and Torre. Torre will be in the playoffs for the 13th straight year while the Yankees continue the silent Septembuh. Torre and Manny. Torre and the Dodgiz are on fire”.
The Giants have 2 corners that can actually cover. Safety’s aren’t too bad. Everyone likes Kenny Phillips. He did a good job on Holt even though it ended with a Rams TD. But with a good pass rush you don’t need your secondary to cover as much.
Schedule gets tough for the Giants beginning with the Steelers but still there are a lot of win able games second half of the schedule.
“pep… how ’bout a hurricane brunch?”
Ha Ha Ha, Debbie, for a Red Sox fan, you’re funny.
Nice win tonight. Nothing better than a Joba-Mo duo in the pen. This is some good baseball. If only Cashman didn’t wait so long..and called up these young, fresh, talented arms earlier in the season. Instead..Cashman picked Pavano, Ponson, Rasner…
Kevin
Good to hear that Hughes is going to get into the Fall league to get his IP up. Now hes sitting at 57.2 he is going to get 3 starts for the Yanks the remainder of the season including the final day at Fenway. Assuming he goes an avg of 5 that is 15 IP to put him around 70-75 IP. Does anyone know how many starts he could potentially get in the fall-league. It would be nice if he could get up to 100 IP to set next years mark at 125.
great point zell. why not try for the upside guys instead of the retreads with whom u know you’ll get a 4.30 era at best.
“Aceves is another Rasner. Can’t strike out anyone, 6 inning wonder, decent control, no outpitch etc.
Fine as a long man/emergency starter but not someone who should compete for a spot in the rotation.”
he has better stuff than rasner but your crystal ball must be shiny
I don’t know, the plan was to go with these young guys, Hughes and Kennedy, who were semi-unproven but thought to be ready. When that failed, I don’t know if the right answer would have been to have gone with even more-unproven guys who nobody thought were ready.
And the original plan made more sense with Wang healthy.
Wang + Pettitte + Moose was supposed to = 500+ innings. And with Joba scheduled to transition to the rotation later in the season, the Hughes/Kennedy gamble wasn’t supposed to be such a gamble.
How different it all looks now.
“It would be nice if he could get up to 100 IP to set next years mark at 125.”
isnt his a bit higher because hes pitched higher totals in previous years or is it just what he did this year
One thing I can say for sure: Jorge is still in the doghouse.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....861380236/
Pete I was disappointed to not see you at the lever pulling. As soon as I heard “beat writers” and saw Mark Feisand’s mug I thought for sure you’d be there!
Nick,
LOL!!! How can they detect tremors if they’re wearing scarves?
Where’s the Joba one with this face
?
Nick: that is TOO funny!
“isnt his a bit higher because hes pitched higher totals in previous years or is it just what he did this year”
Thats what I would think however this is the Yankees and every precaution is taken for the young guns. His IP in 06 was 146 and around 110 last year so you would think his IP for next year could be 130-150 but the Yanks like to use the kid gloves with these guys so I’m banking on his IP being 120-130.
Kornhole just said that the Cowboy Star has overtaken the Yankee Pinstripes
Can someone tell if the Red Sox would be in first place if we had gotten swept by the Rays over the weekend?
Joba needs to start. We need to guarantee not repeating what happened this year.
Kornhole just said that the Cowboy Star has overtaken the Yankee Pinstripes
Oh Hell No Kornheiser
This fool Korn-head just said the Cowboys are bigger then the Yankees. What the f*** is he smoking?
The Cowgirls where never and will never be bigger then the Yankees. Not just in this country but globally speaking. American football isn’t big world wide.
Mike,
Kornhole is right! Why is this guy on MNF? Do they want someone like Cosell that everyone can hate, then throw bricks at televisions with his image?
One Cosell was enough! Although, he at least had intelligence and could garner interest in the game. Kornheiser can only garner disgust and nausea.
He’s from New York isn’t he? Can’t you guys do something? Find his neighborhood and give him an offer he can’t refuse. Know whadda mean?
Oh man, i love ER. can’t believe its at the end…
“Oh man, i love ER. can’t believe its at the end…”
Uh, Christina, sweetheart, this is a Yankee blog not Soap Opera Digest.
“Kornhole just said that the Cowboy Star has overtaken the Yankee Pinstripes
Oh Hell No Kornheiser”
Example of why Kornheiser shouldn’t be taken seriously. Also I’m fairly confident I could do a better job in the booth than this guy. The interlocking NY is the most well known banner/logo or flag with the exception of maybe the American flag.
Just a wasy to get more readers. All one has to say is Becket game. 1 – 0.
What happened to clipping? They don’t call clipping anymore, now it’s “illegal block in the back.”
Clipping sounded more NFLish. Bring back clipping!
Ballgame over, Cowpies win.
Donovan McNabb is the football version of Arod. Lots of talent, but chokes when it counts.
pepitone… i’m born and bred in new orleans! who dat?
Well Debbie, more than we needed to know about your state of “Grace”/ Geez, what am I doing, shooting fish?
someones name was ER, pep. I have add so the smallest thing will catch my attention. thats my childhood in a nutshell. hello george clooney