Comments on: Jeter vs. Rose

By: domenic

domenic — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:25:16 +0000

I saw Rose for his entire career. The guy was obviously a hitting machine. He could spray it all over the field, bunt and also hit the occasional homerun. As I recall, Pete was an excellent clutch hitter and continued hitting even when his teams were not quite as good. His September 1979 (I think) with the Phillies was incredible. Very versatile in the field, though not spectacular. All around, one of the very best. This coming from a Yankee fan.
Derek Jeter is also an outstanding player. Lots of hits and runs scored. The occasional jack, pretty good with the rbi’s. Excellent situational hitter, though he seems to disdain laying the ball down every now and then. Not much of a walker. More strikeouts than one would like, but not horrible. Pete was better regarding the walks and strikeouts. Jeter is an outstanding baserunner. Not so much the speed, just the really good baseball sense. Pete was more of a run over ‘em and through ‘em kind of guy. Just ask Ray Fosse. Maybe Jeter does not have the greatest range up the middle, but he comes in on balls nicely and goes back on popups with the best. Just ask the fans in the short leftfield stands at the Stadium. Good accurate arm and very good hands. I did a little research last week and discovered that Derek is 30th all-time on shortstop fielding chances. Without any injury this year, he’ll probably end up 26th or 27th at season’s end. It may not sound fantastic, but take a look at the 30th ranked players in other statistics. Frank Robinson is 30th all-time hits, for instance. Many greats are 30th in their respective categories. That’s 30 out of what? A couple of thousand who’ve palyed the position. Not bad. The one common factor for both is that they really seem dedicated to their craft. Rose a real numbers guy, with the drive to win (at all costs?) and Jeter more concerned about winning than personal marks. I too don’t see how Derek can approach Pete’s hit total. He would have to get approximately 200 knocks for eight more years. But 3,300-3,400 ain’t bad!

By: Smarter than Bobby Heenan

Smarter than Bobby Heenan — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:04:02 +0000

I think Rose is the better hitter but Jeter is the better all-around player if you include haircuts.

By: MoBoy(aka McLovin)

MoBoy(aka McLovin) — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:29:14 +0000

Are we saying who’s the better hitter or all around player.Jeter won’t touch Rose’s career hits record.And at 34 Jeter looks like a old man making $18 million.

By: David Brown

David Brown — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:06:51 +0000

I saw Rose play, and there is no question that I prefer Jeter. I use the Hall Of Fame Standard in judging those two players. The standard is very simple: How do you measure up with the players of your ERA and with the players in the Hall Of Fame? Jeter wins on BOTH ends. 1: Players whose careers overlapped with Rose such as Aaron and Mays were obviously superior, and I will take Reggie Jackson as well. Who is better than Jeter at his position? You can argue Arod. 2: The standard of Hall Of Fame Shortstops and Hall Of Fame Outfielders are CLEARLY in Jeter’s favor as well (I use outfield because that is where Rose played MOST of his career). If you look at the Shortstops who were better than Jeter, these are the names I come up with: Wagner and Ripken (You can argue Frankie Frisch, Ernie Banks (Despite playing ONLY 8 years there) and again Arod). If you look at outfielders, you have the 3 Yankees (Ruth, Dimaggio, and Mantle), Manny Ramirez, Ted Williams, Cobb, Bonds, Mays, Aaron, Griffey and once again Jackson to START with.
Jeter wins hands down.

By: rover

rover — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:51:38 +0000

Just a guess, I would presume starting pitching went deeper in rose’s day, eluding to the likely hood rose might see the starter one or more times than do todays players. I believe the likely hood of successfully hitting the starter in the seventh eighth and ninth is greater than hitting the starter during the first six. That would be a decided advantage in roses favor. Nothing to back that up other than a gut feeling. Just a guess.

By: GreenBeret7

GreenBeret7 — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:23:34 +0000

Yep, totally agree, Doreen. Pete Rose made himself the George Armstrong Custer of baseball. As great as he was, he committed career suicide.

By: Doreen

Doreen — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:13:21 +0000

GB7 -

Oh, I do understand that. It was utter stupidity. But utter ego thinking that what he did wasn’t covered by the rules somehow. Or that he was so good, they’d brush it under the rug.

What always ultimately brings a man (or woman) down? Ego. Thinking that you are bigger or more important than the rest. (Nixon comes to mind.) People can forgive many things, but they don’t forgive hubris.

By: GreenBeret7

GreenBeret7 — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:03:30 +0000

Doreen, Rose’s ego has kept him from being an icon, except those who feel he was unjustly treated. That’s on Pete Rose, Sr. He did it to himself. He broke a written rul on betting on baseball. It’s not the same as drug users, etc. Drugs are bad for society overall. They are society’s laws and punishable. Betting on baseball is akin to attempted murder of the game. That’s what the crime is…”Crimes against the game”. Those are baseball’s laws and punishable.

By: Brandon (Humberto's coming home !)..."Reward Colin Curtis's .414 postseason AVG "

Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:03:02 +0000

No*

By: Brandon (Humberto's coming home !)..."Reward Colin Curtis's .414 postseason AVG "

Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:02:33 +0000

There is going to be a run on wide-angle lensed HD cameras.

Not split screens can help that duo’s matter.