Game 152: White Sox at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 17, 2008 
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YANKEES (80-71)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady DH
Cano 2B
I. Rodriguez C
Cabrera CF
Hughes RHP
WHITE SOX (84-66)
Cabrera SS
Wise LF
Dye RF
Thome DH
Konerko 1B
Pierzynski C
Griffey Jr. CF
Ramirez 2B
Uribe 3B
Richard LHP
Phil Hughes (0-4, 9.00) vs. the Chicago hitters.
Clayton Richard (2-4, 6.94) has never faced any of the Yankees.
Notes: The Yankees have won three of their last four. They are 3-2 against Chicago this season and 19-19 against the AL Central. … The Yankees start the day nine games out in the division and wild card with 10 games to play. … Chicago is 2.5 games up on the Twins in the AL Central. The four-game series concludes tomorrow night with Mike Mussina facing Javier Vazquez.
BACK FROM THE GRAVE: This is the first start for Melky since Aug. 13. He has not had an AB since he was recalled on Sept. 5.
HE’S A HOMEBODY: Derek Jeter is 32 of 68 at the Stadium in the last 17 games.
ROBBIE CANO, DON’T YOU KNOW: Robinson Cano has driven in one run in the last 16 games. Oh, and if you’re running a pool at home he has gone 93 plate appearances since drawing a walk.
THEY’RE DOOMED: The Chicago starter is a 24-year-old rookie lefty from Indiana who is working on seven days’ rest. So figure on 6 innings, 3 hits, 1 run, 2 walks, 7 strikeouts.
DON’T GIVE UP YET: The Yankees are 9 of 44 with RISP in the last five games.
THE LATE SHOW: The Yankees are 1-62 when trailing after eight innings. They were 3-58 last season. I know, this stat doesn’t mean a darn thing. I’m just filling space.
WHY CAN’T THE YANKEES GET PITCHERS LIKE THESE? LaTroy Hawkins with the Astros: 14 innings, 5 hits, 0 runs, 3 walks, 20 strikeouts. Scott Patterson with the Padres: 1.2 innings, 0 hits, 0 runs, 2 walks, 4 strikeouts.
I WANT IT ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL: Wilson Betemit has had 25 at-bats as a pinch hitter. He has seven hits and 10 strikeouts.
YANKEE RBI LEADERS
A-Rod 100
The Big G 93
Abreu 89
Jeter 68
Damon 64
WHAT I LISTENED TO IN THE CAR ON THE WAY TO THE STADIUM: The Clash’s On Broadway box set. … I want to download the new Steve Earle when I get around to it. Steve is playing Tarrytown, N.Y., in January and I’m hoping to catch that show.
OK, back later with updates. Is there anybody alive out there?
UPDATE, 5:56 p.m.: Phil Hughes is wearing No. 65. … There seems to be a chance Ian Kennedy will return if they shut Andy Pettitte down after Sunday. … Esteemed member of the Tampa brain trust Felix Lopez was on the field for batting practice. … Baltimore’s starters for the weekend: Daniel Cabrera, Radhames Liz and Chris Waters.
UPDATE, 6:51 p.m.: Cabrera has been shut down. Now it’s Liz, TBA and Waters.
UPDATE, 7:24 p.m.: Nice job by Hughes to pitch around the double. But, man, lots of pitches.
UPDATE, 7:49 p.m.: The advance scouts the Yankees use must see a lot of movies. Why is it that every time the Yanks face a rookie pitcher they look mystified? I’m going to invent a new stat, the BBURP. It will stand for Beaten By Unknown Rookie Pitcher. I guarantee you the Yankees would lead the league in BBURPS.
UPDATE, 8:15 p.m.: Hughes has pitched fairly well (4 4 1 1 2 4) but the pitch count has probably ended his evening. The foul balls what what did him in. He was throwing strikes, just not getting enough out of them. Given his previous appearances in the majors, it was better.
It looks like we’re going to get a nice serving of Phil Coke next inning.
UPDATE, 8:29 p.m.: I’ve seen enough. Phil Coke is the greatest Yankee ever. OK, maybe not. But he has thrown nine scoreless innings.
UPDATE, 8:31 p.m.: A few days ago I wrote that it was stupid for people to be booing A-Rod. Yeah, well I take that back. He has been brutal. His last 13 plate appearances: 2 for 11, seven strikeouts.
Meanwhile, Clayton Richard is throwing a one-hit shutout through five innings and has retired eight straight.
UPDATE, 8:34 p.m.: OK, I officially give up. The person pulling the countdown lever tonight was some vice president from Met Life. Apparently everybody who has ever played, managed or coached for the Yankees was busy. Maybe they all went to the same movie.
I understand that Met Life sponsored the countdown. I get that. If they wanted somebody to pull the lever in June or July, that would have been fine. But this guy was the sixth company executive to do the honors.
THIS IS THE FINAL WEEK OF GAMES AT THE STADIUM!
It’s a disgrace. How can a team like the Yankees ignore their history?
UPDATE, 8:45 p.m.: Nice return by Melky. GIDP and popped up a bunt to the catcher.
UPDATE, 8:50 p.m.: At 3:38 p.m today, I (somewhat kiddingly) wrote this at the start of the game post:
The Chicago starter is a 24-year-old rookie lefty from Indiana who is working on seven days’ rest. So figure on 6 innings, 3 hits, 1 run, 2 walks, 7 strikeouts.
Here is what he has actually done: 6 innings, 3 hits, 0 runs, 1 walk, 4 strikeouts.
UPDATE, 9:00 p.m.: Great job by Bruney to work out of that jam. Meanwhile, in theory, the Yankees can still win this game. It would involve scoring two runs. That seems like a lot.
UPDATE, 9:05 p.m.: Joba warming up. … Here is their chance. The Big G pops one out then Joba and Mo.
UPDATE, 9:13 p.m.: Ozzie Guillen screwed that up. He came to the mound before Nady came up and it looked like Richard talked him into staying out there.
UPDATE, 9:15 p.m.: Big spot here for the Artist Formerly Known As Pudge Rodriguez.
UPDATE, 9:17 p.m.: OK, a wild pitch. The Yankees will certainly take it. Now they’re up 2-1 and have six outs to get. Joba for three and Mo for three. A Jorge Posada Special.
UPDATE, 9:35 p.m.: Man, this would be a bad, bad loss for the White Sox if the Yankees hold on. Meanwhile, it’s almost like Girardi let them suddenly eat candy bars again in the seventh inning. The Yankees were sleepwalking and all of a sudden started playing again.
This would be a typical spot for a crushed A-Rod homer. Just watch.
UPDATE, 9:38 p.m.: See?
UPDATE, 9:39 p.m.: That’s 35 homers for Mr. Clutch. He has hit 35 or more home runs in 12 separate seasons, tying the record held by Babe Ruth.
UPDATE, 9:41 p.m.: That rotten A-Rod denied Mo the save opportunity. Now Edwar Ramirez is on.
UPDATE, 9:48 p.m.: Not bad, the Yankees continue to stave off elimination and assure themselves of a .500 record.
All kidding aside, it’s pretty amazing that A-Rod has hit 35+ homers in 12 seasons, 11 in a row.
damn no gardner..go Yankees!
Wow the Yankees bangwagon has surely disappear. Weather it is for better or for worse, I will remain to come to this site.
Nice choice Pete. I used to work in Tarrytown, I miss those days.
Don’t you think Gardner should come to bat to Born to Run?
If anything can get you through the last few days of this mess of a season it’s the Clash.
alive? nah, sporting my green phillies irish hat to the gym the last few days to represent. If my team from the bronx is not headed to October, than I’m taking the team from queens with me.
Go Hughes in frames.
Steve Earle is good stuff!
Funny how our beloved Blogfather keeps using the phrase ‘mailing it in’ when the “The Yankees have won three of their last four.”
Count me in on the Phil Hughes bandwagon – I’m a big believer in him despite this year’s debacle.
Finally – The little devil on my shoulder is rooting for a soft liner midway between Johnny Damon and Melky – it is a collision waiting to happen.
refreshed in 09 – That is the spirit! I have the Phillies alternate cap on with the royal crown and scarlet bill.
Let’s Go Phils!
Yanks need to re-sgin Abreu. I never thought I’d say it, but they do.
Let’s go Phil! Get a win!
I hope him and Pudge will work well together tonight
“Yanks need to re-sgin Abreu. I never thought I’d say it, but they do.”
no. no they dont.
I would have preferred it if Molina was catching Hughes but, oh well.
Yeh Pete, some of us are still here. Thank god you didn’t do another “Coke Is It” pregame note. You’ve got to get more creative after his next shutout inning. How about: “Girardi has a Coke and a smile” or “Is Coke The Real Thing?”.
from Joel Shermans blog
“The organization has begun a series of meetings to make a determination on whether it would be beneficial or risky to have Chamberlain throw additional innings. Should the Yanks decide to go ahead and have Chamberlain pitch more in 2008, they are weighing Arizona Fall League vs. Instructional League and starting vs. relief.”
““Yanks need to re-sgin Abreu. I never thought I’d say it, but they do.â€
no. no they dont.”
I second that emotion – get the picks.
Bobby is looking for 3 years – let him look elsewhere!
Or even: “Classic Coke”
Nice move by Girardi…………NOT! Have Pudge catch Hughes instead of Monlina? SMH
Pete’s funny.
I’m hoping Hughes gives us something positive like Aceves has.
Melky’s back… that’s nice… I guess.
Still can’t believe I have to see Pavano in my last visit.
Joba said the other day he’s going to meet with the Yankees on Monday to talk about it. That’s old news, Sherman!
We all know what he’s going to say.
Hopefully he starts in the spring.
“Is there anybody alive out there?”
a little Bruce shout out there, pete?
hopefully hughes can salvage something from this very lost season.
wasn’t sure who Steve Earle was, but i recognize that one song they play on the radio (city of immigrants), and i approve!
won’t be able to watch, but i’m excited about phil. go phil! and go Melk!
Yes, Abreu must be re-signed. He’s not really like the other hitters. What he has in common with them is age and mediocre-to-poor fielding (minus the good arm, obviously). What he does not have in common w/most of them is he knows how to stretch out an at-bat, is not the least bit fazed by a two-strike count, is a situational hitter, and he can also run the bases. Keep Abreu, the perfect 3-spot hitter.
I am going to my first stadium game in some time, now. I’ll also attend Friday and Sunday’s closer. I’m anxious to see Hughes, and attending games has become more attractive with the call-ups. I am looking forward to the kids’ progess and to next season.
I’m also pleased to hear Cashman come out in support of Cano as an important piece of our future; ditto for Girardi, and Rivera, who volunteered that Cano “is going to be here for a very long time.” Thank heavens for cool heads.
If we could teach Gardner to hit, that would be invaluable. I really like him in the No. 9 spot. I would like to see the Yankees reclaim Melky, also. There’s some hitting ability to mine, there.
bodhisattva, I agree with everything you say about Abreu except that he is a good base runner. He has been terrible on the base paths this year. I definitely think he needs to be resigned. Hopefully he doesn’t tank once he gets a contract.
Yeah I don’t think we would want Hawkins. Probably sarcasm, but yeah. And Patterson’s 1 and two thirds innings of work is a massive sample size.
“wasn’t sure who Steve Earle was, but i recognize that one song they play on the radio (city of immigrants), and i approve! ”
saucY – great song on the soundtrack for ‘Dead Man Walking’ soundtrack – (which has a lot of great stuff on it imo)
i never wanted hawkins on thee yankees but i didnt like the decision the yankees on patterson i love wat he did in spring training and i hope the yankees can get him back does anybody no if hes a free agent in the minors
It was really funny reading the last thread, with all your goofy suggestions about how to fix the Yankees. You’re all basically clueless. You want to know how to make the Yankees younger AND better? It’s quite easy.
1. Identify the top MLB-ready can’t-miss prospects and young players on the rosters of other teams.
2. Trade Melky, Kennedy, and Igawa for them.
3. Celebrate the new Dynasty.
Steve Earle is one talented dude. But Pete, dont bring any kids. He played locally here a few years ago and his language and attitude were real bad. The funny part was, he opened for Odetta. Talk about the ying and the yang!
Pete failed to post inherited runners scored. Don’t know about LaTroy, but Patterson let at least one score that I know of.
But it’s still funny. Especially since they went to the tougher league.
i wonder how much the “21″ booing/nonsense affected Latroy?
that still disgusts me when i think about it
Nick in SF,
You only want a new Dynasty so that you can abuse more bobbleheads. We’re on to you!
I suggest the new Kanye West.. Love Lockdown. check out http://www.kanyeuniversity.com/blog for it.
Nick,
Isn’t that a brilliant plan? Teams are just dying to give the Yankees whatever they want for those three guys, didnt you know?
TKinDC – thanks for the heads up. soundtrack looks dece!
Don’t tell randyl, but Livan’s pitching a shutout for the Rox. When did they pick him up? What an egregious mistake by Cashman!
Bobbleheads thrive during the good times. It’s only when things get tough that certain punative measures must be taken. I look forward to the say when all my pinstriped bobbleheads can look forward, together, at winning Yankee baseball.
Abreu back next year? Unless Matsui is traded and theres an opening at DH, no thanks. I do not want Abreu in RF for another full season.
Go out and get Sabathia, a real first basemen, a CF and some good roleplayers for the bench. Re-sign Mussina (and Pettitte if he is healthy and takes a pay cut). Pick up Marte’s option, offer arbitration to Bruney, Nady, Wang. Call up Melancon.
Thats what I’m hoping for anyways…
im here reading everyday i just never post! keep the updates coming pete!
source: mlbtraderumors
Beyond Teixeira, the Yankees could attempt to trade for Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder, or Adam LaRoche. As far as team control, Howard and Fielder have three years, LaRoche one. It’s tough to see the Phillies or Brewers making a deal without Phil Hughes. A couple of other possible trade candidates include Garrett Atkins, Lyle Overbay, Nick Johnson, and Todd Helton.
Ryan Howard sucks at 1B and make Giambi look like a gold glover. He’s like Adam Dunn, who leading the league in strike outs and more of a DH type in the AL.
Prince Fielder would be awesome but not athletic enough to play 1B, again he would make Giambi look like a gold glover. DH type in the AL.
Adam LaRoche – c’mon, he doesn’t come out until after the All-Star break.
Lyle Overbay – like the Blue Jays would trade within the division.
Todd Helton, by trading for him isn’t the right direction of “getting youngerâ€.
My 1B trade canadiates would be: Victor Martinez (good OBP, and the Indians are using him as 1B anyway since the emergence of Kelly Shoppach), Chris Davis, Joey Votto, Ryan Garko.
that steve earle album has his cover of “way down in the hole”, used in the opening credits for season 5 of the wire, in which he had a recurring role. he gets major points from me no matter what just for that.
I pretty much gave upon the Yankees in lae August when they were making dumb moves. This is a historical season I think it is for all the wrong reasons. Historically bad! We have seen that Brett is ready to play by the great hit and running a game back. Thi is how he is repaid by starting MELKY CABERA?? A slap in the face to Brett I say!
GOOD job Pete for trying to make a miserable sitaution somewhat interesting. I feel you buddy!
I just went to “Insider” section of the ESPN website. They have the latest trade rumor, you know:
Melky – to the Colorado Rockies for a half keg of Coors Light and a bag of bats.
Ian Kennedy – to the Mets for Pedro Martinez, 2 sets of boxing gloves and a squared circle for Pedro & Jorge to play in
Kei Igawa – to the Oakland A’s for 5 pounds of week old sushi and 3 bats.
“Abreu back next year? Unless Matsui is traded and theres an opening at DH, no thanks. I do not want Abreu in RF for another full season.”
Has anyone informed Bobby about the layout of the new stadium?
If not, we could tell him that we are installing an electrified fence – oh wait, that wouldn’t be a problem for him.
Too many screw-ups imo. Plus, it would be refreshing if the Yankees allowed another team to watch the downhill years of an aging player rather than suffering through them on our team.
We need to see Sanchez tonight.
Get rid of Damon, Matsui, AND Abreu
Derek on FAN in case anyone cares
Jeter on WFAN
Check out the Trenton blog. New stuff includes Tony Franklin’s photo gallery from the stadium. He looks happy as a clam. Looks like he gave Phil Coke a championship shirt. There’s a picture with Harlan & Joba, who looks very trim. Bruney looks slim and Brett looks old! The last picture’s the coolest, though.
Also a Q&A with Coke and a tease for a Cashman interview.
mel –
great suggestion – That pic of Joba and Harlan and Franklin is wonderful.
bdog375
September 17th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
bodhisattva, I agree with everything you say about Abreu except that he is a good base runner. He has been terrible on the base paths this year. I definitely think he needs to be resigned. Hopefully he doesn’t tank once he gets a contract
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Did you complain about Jeter’s base running last year when he was 15-8 and picked off of 1st base 2 times and 2nd base one time? Abreu’s base running wasn’t up to his normal standards, but, that fits for than a few this year.
bruney looks so different, i hardly recognize him
I’m going tonight, seeing Hughes is going to be a treat. I’ve also never seen Pudge or Nady play. But I really want to see Griffey, its going to be something special
That’s Austin Jackson taking BP in the last pic? That was nice of them to let him do that
Clint,
LOL. You’re kidding, right? I hope so, that’s pretty funny.
Gotta love ESPNSoccernet live commentary:
“Kiev change; Artem Kravets is coming on for the hapless Bangoura, who could have sewn the game up when he had a two-on-one break but chose to look like a twit instead.”
“We need to see Sanchez tonight.”
I agree since Girardi used everyone but Sanchez the past 2 nights.
Ok so i have to ask. In typical Girardi fashion, Gardner finally hits the ball, and the next game he is benched. The Girardi baseball philosophy is beginning to look like the Bush economic and foreign policy philosophy.
Kennedy said he had filthy stuff last night
“Gotta love ESPNSoccernet live commentary:”
Was the ‘Team Handball’ site locked up with too many hits?
2 Springsteen references: Pete’s in a good mood today.
Mangenius needs to let Favre be Favre. 375 yards, 4 TDs, 2 INTs. Kid gloves off. Favre/Cotchery need to watch what Cutler/Marshall did to the SD secondary and emulate it.
tsk tsk, TK, this was Champions League futbol!
It’s all about rebuilding our broken alliances.
gardner stands no chance against the lefty richards
switch hitters like betemit and melky do
Imagine what it feels like to be a Mets/Jets/Knicks fan
TK,
Are you a Wizards fan? Arenas is having his 3rd knee surgery.
Melky hasn’t swung a bat in 2 weeks and he’s batting righthanded tonight? Season’s over anyway but even I know Melky can’t hit righthanded.
Personally, I’m glad to see Melky back in the lineup. It’s unfair to not give him the oportunity to show if he learned anything from his demotion.
I’ve seen enough of Brett Gardner to know 3 things: 1)he’s very fast 2) he’s a a below average hitter and 3)he has an embassingly weak arm.
My god, as soon as he saw Gardner was going to be the one making the throw, catcher AJ Pierzinski thought about stretching his double into a triple last night!
Abreu gets offered arbitration, that’s it. If he accepts they have him for another year. If not, they get compensation draft picks.
It’s fine to want to trade Damon and Matsui, but where is the demand for those guys? I can’t see either going to the National League, so where can they be sent?
Will be interesting to watch Melky’s AB… he’ll be batting righty which is never a good thing.
“It’s all about rebuilding our broken alliances.”
Peace out to ‘Old Europe’ and their ‘Chocolate Fabs’.
Seems to me you buy on the market what you don’t have in your system. People talk like it either go with prospects or go with free agents. In almost every successful case it’s a combination of both.
What’s the point of signing a CF when the best / closest position prospect in our system is a CF? Free agent acquistions should fill holes in the current roster that your system has no short term (1-2 years) answer for. This team can win with a combo of Damon, Cabrera, and Gardner in CF and LF and the addition of Nady for the corners – it happened last season without Gardner or Nady in the mix. In ’10 Damon and Matsui could be gone if desired. No clearly good enough corner OF’s in the system down through low A, maybe down to the DSL. So Abreu can fit – the timeframe needs be minimized – but isn’t the only possible answer. And I’m not certain Miranda is the guy to fill the 1B hole, since he could be the DH of the future instead. Behind him, nothing above low A, and that far away there’s no guarantee they’ll develop.
Nice to speculate on which young 1B candidates we’d like, but why would their teams trade them? Reaching down into minors systems for guys in A ball or above with established players above them is more likely the way to go – same for OF candidates. But you’ve gotta give prospects to get prospects – Nick’s very tongue in cheek suggestions notwithstanding.
mel -
Thanks. I had seen the Coke interview, but not the latest updates.
What a great source of information on the AAA team!
At this point, I’d let all the kids play. I’m sure someones said it already, but its a good plan. Might as well see what we may have, and although its a short sample size, it at least let’s them get acquainted to being on a big league team playing big league games.
mel –
3rd time is the charm! (?)
Arenas may be a head case. But he is our head case!
When he is right he is a lot of fun to watch and he is truly a character. Caron Butler is the guy that makes that team go – hey, what team was dumb enough to let him go?
IPK didn’t say that. The SWB blog by Chad Jennings has a good interview with Kennedy. Let’s just say it was nothing like what he said in LA. And encouraging, at least to me.
Go figure. Betemit’s hitting .280 as a pinch hitter and for that he gets a snide comment about the 10 strikeouts. How about mentioning the 6 pinch hit RBI or the 5 doubles as a pinch hitter?
Yet, no mention of Gardner’s failure to hit, and more over the outragous strikeout totals compared to at bats.
“Seems to me you buy on the market what you don’t have in your system. People talk like it either go with prospects or go with free agents. In almost every successful case it’s a combination of both.”
Agreed. Our championship teams were a mix of prospects (Rivera, Jeter, Pettitte, Williams, Posada), and effective free agents and trades (O’Niel, Martinez, Brosius, Knoblauch, Girardi, Cone, Wells, Strawberry, Stanton, etc.).
A healthy combination of free agents, prospects, and trades could build us a competitive team. Its when we rely too heavily on any one of those that we get in trouble. With too many free agents we end up with a mercenary team, with too many prospects we end up with inexperience and a lot of dissapointment (as we did this season), and with too many trades you end up draining your farm while messing with the teams cohesion. Balance, ladies and gentleman. Balance.
“Go figure. Betemit’s hitting .280 as a pinch hitter and for that he gets a snide comment about the 10 strikeouts. How about mentioning the 6 pinch hit RBI or the 5 doubles as a pinch hitter?”
Greenberet, Betemit sucks. I’m sorry, but he does.
Damon may have some value as an OF on a NL team-heck some GM may still think he can play center. All that it takes is one GM. Griffey is still playing center, Edmonds too.
“Don’t tell randyl, but Livan’s pitching a shutout for the Rox. When did they pick him up? What an egregious mistake by Cashman!”
ha. you can’t sneak that one by me. twins record with livan pitching 14-9.
that’s in the books.
.. and then they brought in liriano when livan was spent( fat guys only can go so long)
anyone can get wins out of a 3.5 era.
the twins are the ones who got those wins out of 5.5 era.
debating cashman’s worth is so last year.
people that support cashman basically have their story and they’re sticking to it.
“Damon may have some value as an OF on a NL team-heck some GM may still think he can play center. All that it takes is one GM. Griffey is still playing center, Edmonds too.”
I’d put Damon, and Matsui on the old guys to trade list. I know they are still productive but if we can get good players in return you gotta do it.
Ferndando, I didn’t say he was great, but, he’s been a very productive pinch hitter, and he plays a lot of positions with passable defense. Nobody has been a good pinch hitter for the Yanks for years. Betemit has done a good job there and deserves credit for it.
“Kei Igawa – to the Oakland A’s for 5 pounds of week old sushi and 3 bats.”
i can see giving them the sushi, but i don’t see why we have to give bats too.
going to the game now…hope to see the following:
-Hughes pitching a good game
-Miranda debuting
-Sanchez debuting and blast the hitters away
-Cervelli debut as well and calling a good game with Sanchez
My error. he has 2 doubles and 2 RBI. The others came in additional at bats after staying in the game.
Put the Yankees in Latroy Hawkins’ AAAA division and they’d win 105 games.
“If Carson wasn’t the Yankees player of the game, then it was Mark Melancon, who pitched 1.2 hitless innings. I’ve seen it the past two months, but for those of you who finally got to watch Melancon on television, you got to see what all the buzz is about. ”
From C. Jennings blog -
Shame on me for not hanging around after IPK’s disappointing start. Did anybody catch this?
TKinDC -
I tuned in a couple of times when it was rumored Melancon was going to pitch. When he finally did, he was so quick, I missed it! (Well, I also dozed off –
)
SJ –
I stepped away from my desk after my comment about Pavano a few threads ago so I didn’t see your response until just now.
There was LOADS of sarcasm in my comment. Chunks of it. Reams of it. Lines of it. Stacks of it. Buckets of it. Truckloads of it. Metric tons of it. Big huge sticky globs of it. I’m totally with everyone who thinks that he’s one of the epic all-time wastes of money in big league history.
If Carl reads this, I hope he can realize that ‘ALL TIME BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY IN BIG LEAGUE HISTORY’ is a different legend than the one he probably wanted to carve out for himself when he first realized he could make a career out of playing the game. If Carl doesn’t realize it that way, he’s even worse of a waste than we thought.
Wow. Put that in perspective. Most kids want to be like someone like Nolan Ryan or Derek Jeter or Rickey Henderson or, well, any all-time great or even any all-time pretty good player. What kid would want to be like Carl Pavano … like an all-time greatest … waste of money?
I’d try to get Ryan Sweeney and Lastings Milledge in the offseason if I were the Yankees FO. Rebuild it by getting young value players for your prospects, Oakland loves Kennedy try to package Marquez plus a JB Cox and see if that lands him, also check on what Washington would take for a low value Milledge, you can put him at the CO when AJack gets to the Bigs.
Not sure that Sanchez would be that successful against the Sox. You’ll have Thome in there, and, they’re all great fastball hitters. Breaking pitches are another story.
last I checked…we play 162 games,,,right…so at 80-71, we have 11 games left…right ?…..we go 11-0, and the BoSux go 2-9…..Really….we go 8-0…the BoSux go 2-6…then we sweep them…..EASY ENUFF…RIGHT ?
nyyfan-
Garrett Atkins, a converted 1st baseman, might be available as Ian Stewart is ready to step in at 3rd for the Rockies. Would not sign Teixeira to a long term Boras contract as Montero, might be our 1st baseman in 3 years.
Could always fill CF with a one year “rental” FA, like a Mike Cameron, of you feel Jackson ready soon. So far Gardner is a pinch runner or defensive replacement, until he can prove that he can hit.
“I’d try to get Ryan Sweeney and Lastings Milledge in the offseason if I were the Yankees FO. ”
For the last time – the pathetic Nats are not going to let go of Lastings. Please accept this and move on. Bowden is a moron, but he doesn’t actually make the big decisions here.
I have voted the following players off the island:
Andy Pettitte, Wilson Betemit,Brett Gardner, IRod, the Giambino, Sir Sydney, Chris Britton,Carl Pavano,Darrell Rasner,Chad Moeller, Shelley Duncan and Justin Christian.
That clears 12 spots on the current 40 man roster.
Among those that I voted on to the island are CC Sabathia, Ben Sheets, AJ Burnett and Mark Texiera.
I’ll let someone else ( maybe Brian Cashman?) fill in the other 8 spots.
Mike Cameron is the last thing we need, another human strikeout machine and a diminishing vet.
For the last time – the pathetic Nats are not going to let go of Lastings. Please accept this and move on. Bowden is a moron, but he doesn’t actually make the big decisions here.
TK listen to the Nats games they are going to shop him in the offseason.
Doreen –
No worries – you just need to follow that joker’s (fugoobahs?) all sugar and caffeine diet! (SARCASM!)
Brandon, I’d rather see NYY get Rick Ankiel or Schumaker from St. Louis if they’re looking at a center fielder or corner outfielder, rather than Milledge or Sweeney.
GB Lastings isn’t a bad OF, he stinks a bit at CF because he plays so deep but put him in either corner and he is a plus on that field. Ryan Sweeney has a compact swing probably would come cheaper than Shumaker, I’d love Ankiel but STL wouldn’t do that.
“TK listen to the Nats games they are going to shop him in the offseason.”
Brandon – I just listened to the GM interviewed today on the local sportstalk station. It is not happening.
The Nats path is pretty clear. There is no other CF prospect of note in the system and Lastings is an obvious talent. It isn’t even close to happening.
BTW – the people who call Nats games are employed by the O’s owner, for reasons which are too bizarre to even go through in detail. They are not a reliable source for the color of the sky, much less what is going on with the Nats.
I don’t vote CC onto the island; I vote giving CC the island.
In other news, I read Brandon’s post and called up my inside sources over in Oakland. I found out that: “It’s scary how obsessed Billy Beane is with Ian Kennedy. It’s not just that Billy loves Ian’s stuff, it’s that he loves Ian’s fire, his passion for success. Billy lives for one thing, and that’s three-peating as Bricktown Showdown champs. That’s why he wanted Ian. Get us Ian Kennedy!”
Brandon-
Are you sure Oakland loves Ian Kennedy?-maybe Ted Kennedy. Do you now like Milledge more than Nelson Cruz?
Ryan Sweeney as a corner outfielder would be great, 23 yo lefty, but I would think it’ll take more quality players than Kennedy,Marquez and Cox, don’t you?
You, sir, are no Mad Dog Russo with the “anyboay alive out there”. Billy Joel is better than Bruce anyway.
Steve Earle is a badass musician and a big Yankee fan. “Washington Square Serenade” is a great album, though “Train A-Comin’” is his best. He’s also a big fan of the Boss, I think he’s covered at least State Trooper and Nebraska.
mystery solved:
http://tinyurl.com/oakland-loves-kennedy
It’s not like Ryan Sweeney is Ryan Howard or Evan Longora YT
And btw Lastings Milledge is a 5 tool player w/ a high upside who’s stock is low that’s why I’d target him too.
“Ferndando, I didn’t say he was great, but, he’s been a very productive pinch hitter, and he plays a lot of positions with passable defense. Nobody has been a good pinch hitter for the Yanks for years. Betemit has done a good job there and deserves credit for it.”
Eh. I wouldn’t call .280 very productive. Better than other’s? Sure, but I’m not quite ready to call him a great pinch hitter. The point is, he has a tendency to either crush the ball or strikeout. Thus his .268 average and a ratio of 6 walks to 54 strikeouts.
You were close on my name. You added an extra “d” that kind of sounds funny if you pronounce it with it in there.
GB7-
Ankiel is a FA in 2010, along with outfielders Crawford, Bay, Holliday, Guerrero, possibly Ordonez and Dye, if options not picked up. Maybe Ankiel, would be available!
Brandon, Ankiel’s a FA next year and STL has a couple of rookie outfielders on the way (Stavinoah and Ramus are ready). Schumaker’s a really good leadoff type and plays a sterling center field. Not a great arm but better than Gardner and Damon by quit a bit and, he’s only 28, hitting .305 this year.
Nick in SF,
Sometimes you scare me.
The A’s, however, won’t provide any real discount for Harden, even though he has been hurt much of the past three years. They probably would ask for right-hander Ian Kennedy, for starters, and perhaps pitchers Alan Horne and Jeff Marquez as well
source
flips the bird at Nick
Later peoples.
Brandon,
I’d do that trade in a heartbeat. Horne may become a good pitcher,but Harden is a good pitcher. Kennedy and Marquez are high on the “Not Quite Good Enough To Pitch In The Majors” meter.
That’s funny, Brandon, but has anything changed since that speculative Susan Slusser article was published on March 19, 20008?
On small problem with Schumaker-GIDP-17 times.
i’ve been doing some serious thinking about what the yankees should do next year. i think that if sarah palin loses the election this fall, the yankees should consider making her an offer she can’t refuse to head the crack committee to advise cashman.
she won’t have a clue what she ‘s doing, but she will think she does, and in the end isn’t that what counts?
and to those who think baseball has nothing to do with politics bringing politics , just think where this country would be if bush would have stuck to being a baseball owner.
Yankee Trader
September 17th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
On small problem with Schumaker-GIDP-17 times.
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Then, that’ll reduce jeter’s 23, won’t it?
Still doesn’t diminish his defense and ability to get on base or lower strikeout totals than Damon. OBP is .370. I’ll still take him as this team’s center fielder and leadoff hitter.
“i think that if sarah palin loses the election this fall, the yankees should consider making her an offer she can’t refuse to head the crack committee to advise cashman.”
Randy -
I always heckle people who put politics on the blog – so consider yourself heckled!
We have enough alleged global warming w/o Palin being near A-Rods A-Bombs! Stick to your specialty – fat useless pitchers.
GB7
Good Point-Touche! He’ll be in good company with Cano’s 17 and A-Rod’s 16.
Kennedy and Marquez are high on the “Not Quite Good Enough To Pitch In The Majors†meter.
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They probably fit in the same catagogy as Tyler Clippard and Jeff Karstens did.
Think about how much better the country and the world would have been if Bill Clinton had stayed with the saxophone
I have thought about it, randy l, many times.
But then I stop and think what would have happened to MLB if he had achieved his real ambition, which was to become Commissioner…
Questions:
Do you see the Yankees bringing back any FA’s next year? Arbitration for Abreu? Pick up Marte’s 6M club option?
What two FA starters do you realistically think we have a chance to sign?
Will Cashman walk?
TKinDC -
Thanks for the laugh! I’m more of a red wine/green tea type, so I’m hopeless for staying awake. The west coast games killed me this year. (I usually don’t even try, but this year was going so well, I was compelled to watch!)
Regarding Lastings Milledge – I don’t think he’s going to be coming to the Yankees, but just for the sake of discussion, has his “attitude” changed any? I mean, if they’re having difficulty with Cano, why borrow more trouble with Milledge? Was his problem less to do with perceived “dogging it-ness” and more something else? All I remember is he ticked off a lot of Mets people. Enough so that he was sent to Siberia — oops, the Nationals.
Hawkins?
well thats why the Yankees need to be real careful getting NL players in here. Hawkins is just one of many former AL players who couldnt do much in AL and can dominate in the NL. The NL is awful and any low end player can be a star there.
It’s assinine that Pudge is behind the plate and not Molina. Sheesh Joe – I think he wants Phil to fail.
i cant wait for the phillies series next year!
when was the last time we faced the phillies?
Doreen –
Lastings makes Robi look like Pete Rose.
Not now. Not soon. Not ever.
Lastings is a hot dog who shows up opponents. He’s like Manny without the upside. Verboten!
I just wrote a crap-load of stuff and analysis on the Yankees’ potential offseason:
-Let every FA walk except for Mussina and potentially Marte. Offer arbitration to those and collect compensation.
-Resign Cashman. He’s completely revamped the farm system for one and will continue to do so.
-Sign CC (priority)
-Make a pitch to Burnett or Sheets (preferably AJ) and see where it goes from there. AJ dominates the AL east and that would certainly help
-Leave Melky, Cano, Hughes, and IPK alone. They are young and will develop. Hughes and Kennedy were 1st rd/supplemental picks and still plenty of potential.
Oh, and also send Joba to the AFL to get more innings and build up arm strength so he could be a starter in 2009.
We could be looking at:
CC/Wang/Joba/Burnett or Sheets or Mussina/Hughes
Damon/Jeter/Nady/A-Rod/Posada/Matsui/Cano/Miranda (1B)/Melky or Gardner (CF for the time being, Jackson hopefully in 2010)
Yankee Trader,
1. Bring back only Mussina
2. Yes to arbitration for Abrueu. If for no other reason that he leads the majors in RISP with 2 outs. That’s the single positive RISP stat on this team.
3.Pick up Marte’s option. He’s better than he’s pitched so far. If nothing else, he’s valuable trade bait.
4.AJ Burnett and Ben Sheets. However,both are potentially classic disasters/disappointment big money headaches 2 years from now.
5. I bet Cashman walks and the divorce is messy in the papers. I also bet Cashman handles it with class.
“i cant wait for the phillies series next year!
when was the last time we faced the phillies?”
2006
TKinDC -
That’s what I thought, too.
Please do not say Molina and IROD in the same sentence. How you can compare A journeyman catcher vs a HOF.
This idea that Molina is better in any aspect is a joke. IROD has so much more experience
tk in dc-
sorry you thought i was making a political statement. i just think that having another true believer on the yankees along with cashman could push the yankees over the hump on the true believer scale and then like magic everyone would believe in the PLAN.
on the other hand if palin wins the election, there’d be an opening in alaska for governor, now that’d be a nice spot for cashman. he could keep up his baseball scouting too. you can see japan from there.
“I’ve seen enough of Brett Gardner to know 3 things: 1)he’s very fast 2) he’s a a below average hitter and 3)he has an embassingly weak arm”
1) true
2) not proven either way
3) his arm is better than damon..not saying much
IROD,
Maybe the fact that every Yankee pitcher with a choice would rather throw to Molina.
Maybe it’s that Molina throws out @45% of basestealers, while I have seen quite a few runners going on you that never would have thought about it 2 or 3 years ago.
Neither is worth a damn at the plate.
By the way what are you doing posting on the blog? You have a game to catch in an hour!
hmm…melky over Gardner? ugh
It’s ludicrous that Pudge, who doesn’t know Phil at all and has had little to no time to work with Phil, is going to be behind the plate. It’s hard to believe that this smart a man can do such stupid things.
The Yankees have won eight world championships during Democratic administrations in the past 50 years but haven’t won a title with a Republican in office since Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1958. Since then, the Yankees have won titles during the terms of John F. Kennedy (1961-62), Jimmy Carter (1977-78) and Bill Clinton (1996, 1998-2000).
Makes my decision easy.
randy I
How about Livan for Alaska Governor? – he clearly can devour big game and I think a Cuban defector skews the correct direction for such a deep deep red state.
Since this is a baseball blog, I tend to browbeat people who try to bring things that they could post on any of a gazillion politics blogs to do that.
I know this is from John (I get all of my Yankee rumors from Kay) Heyman but its worth quoting: ”
“There’s more talk lately that the Yankees may consider trading Robinson Cano. The main reason apparently isn’t that he recently earned a benching for failing to hustle, but more because he has tremendous trade value despite his off-year and the Yankees have multiple needs. The Dodgers, managed by Cano’s first manager, Joe Torre, are said to be interested”
Oh, here is the link:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ers/1.html
Does anyone know whether the Red Sox won all their titles during Republican administations (obviously the last two)? I’m too lazy to do the research.
TK,
You laugh. But this is the progression.
Caron>>Kwame>>Pau
Kobe loved Caron and that was one of the big reasons for the “rampage” last summer. Caron’s a good guy and I always root for him. He’s a keeper.
“Does anyone know whether the Red Sox won all their titles during Republican administations (obviously the last two)? I’m too lazy to do the research.”
Why focus on administrations when there are important things like astrology and your navel to contemplate?
Mr. Exceptional: New Jersey’s own Woodrow Wilson (D) was president in 1918
“You laugh. But this is the progression.
Caron>>Kwame>>Pau”
mel -
You cannot (channeling my personal Hubie Brown) CANNOT! ever justify a Caron for Kwame trade. Caron is a bada$$, Kwame is a catastrophe.
Pau is great, he is the best Spaniard in all the NBA. He looked really good flailing at KG as he dunked again and again.
anyone think that the yankees are just trying out melky and if he gets better you can trade him for something
Hughes has a great curveball, he needs to develop the changeup
Thanks Thomas.
Good point TKinDC.
Back to stars and lint.
TK,
You underestimate Kwame’s value. First of all, we sent you Chuck Atkins, too! And secondly, if Kwame was halfway decent, we wouldn’t have needed to find a real center when Bynum went down.
I kid, people think I’m a frontrunner, but I always root for the underdog. I had a soft spot for Kwame and wish him lots of luck in Detroit. KG won’t know what hit him. They’ll tell him it was Kwame’s stone hands when he wakes up.
“How about Livan for Alaska Governor?”
you know i like that idea.
but livan has won 12 games this year.
think how much money he’d be passing up next year to be the governor of alaska.
he’s got a family to feed not to mention himself.
you might notice that only two pitchers on the yankees won more than 12 games.
you’d think cashman with over 200 million spent could come up with more than two pitchers who could win more than 12 games.
you thought this was a baseball blog?
i thought you thought it was the brian cashman fan website.
i didn’t want to say anything because you were so into it and all.
plus, while you’re not as funny as nick in sf, you have your moments.
Please don’t talk about lint too loudly, Livan will want to eat that too.
I’m really glad to see Hughes back. Also..good to see #65 on the back of his jersey. A new #…new glasses..and more confidence. Maybe we will see a better Hughes today. Go Yankees!
Kevin
Hey, go easy on TKinDC! His lack of go-for-the-jugular gambling instincts saved me a case of Moose Bars.
A favor please!
Is there an easy way to find a pitcher’s record against a certain division?
I am going to predict that Hughes will pitch a fine game. It doesn’t really matter much at this point so I figured I’d give a prediction. I am really high on Hughes for everything he represents, his work ethic, his maturity, and his commitment to make himself a better pitcher. Reverse all of those and you have my views on IPK.
Nice to see Da Melk back in the lineup. I guess Joe G. has cried uncle.
mel, wow that doesn’t sound easy. Are you talking for any particular season? I almost think you’d have to go team by team in the division and add ERA and average it out.
Jeter was a stick in ’95!
on a more serious note, if hughes commands his fastball and stays ahead in the count, he’ll be fine. he’s got nice natural movement that hitters have trouble with.
trisha,
Just for 2 pitchers for at least the last season. If someone can point me to the right site, I’ll add it myself.
Hope Cabrera will be ok. Tingling & discomfort in elbow during side session today. Different spot from the last incident in which images came back negative.
I will always be a big fan of Phil Hughes, even if he never turns out to be the great pitcher that everyone projected.
“plus, while you’re not as funny as nick in sf, you have your moments.”
Well, when you root for a losing college football team, you have to develop material to compensate! (lol – sry nick)
mel -
You can go to baseball-reference.com. They give splits by year and then by a whole lot of different categories, including by team. They didn’t have division splits, but you could do the math. There must be some place, though.
It will be nice to see if we can squeeze at least one win from our vaunted, season-starting rookie duo. Brian Cashman: there’s a man who knows pitching!
Wow, I’m so nervous for Phil. I just hope he does well tonight.
I’d try baseball-reference.
Trisha -
You might want to read Chad Jennings blog. He interviewed IPK after last night. It might soften you just a little bit, unless you’re too far down the “Just Say No to IPK” path.
This right here has been an issue with Hughes, Kennedy and most of the starters….a ton of foulballs.
How ridiculous is it, or how typical of this season anyway that last night every time the Yankees had one of those double-digit at-bats they ended up striking out. Sigh.
Phil Hughes is going to provide me a lot of laughs tonight.
Doreen, ah I’ll read it. I’m always ready to be convinced otherwise!
Trisha =
I don’t know about “convinced,” but I’d say he’s learning.
2-1 is not a losing football team!
Phil needs to get better glasses, this isn’t Scranton.
Hughes’ command seems off right now.
Where is that mid 90′s fastball????
What a crock those reports were. That gun in Scranton is a total joke. Whoever believed it should be ashamed.
Wow the ump has a tiny zone.
I think Phil didn’t get the benefit on two of those pitches already.
Jen – great minds…
1 more child!
Doreen, at this point I’d take learning – I think.
92mph tops. Just like everyone saw when he was here. The rib injury didn’t hurt his velocity. He never threw over 93.
Why can’t our young pitchers not named Joba put away hitters early in the count. He had him 0-2 but had to get him all the way to 3-2 before getting him out.
“2-1 is not a losing football team! ”
My apologies – I just assumed after seeing your squad in person that it must be true. I guess there is always Stanford to kick around!
How many pitches is that for “AAA” Hughes? 25, 30?
2-0 Mets over Nats
2-0 Bas-tards over Rays
R23 — sadly, you’re correct. Young Phil won’t last 4 innings with this pitch count.
Of course it wouldn’t make sense for Moeller to catch Hughes correct? I swear sometimes I just don’t get it with Girardi.
The strike zone tonight is..interesting
Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, was in office in 1915, 1916 and 1918, when the Red Sox won the World Series.
S.A. -
That’s for sure.
Why does Kay sound like he wants Phil not to do well????
i like the cutter. gives him that 3rd pitch he needed.
Nice job by our boy.
Hughes is a prime candidate to be traded this Nov. He should not be untouchable. Maybe he fetches Prince Fielder.
He doesn’t have the stuff to be a 1 or 2 starter and we can find 3-4 starters.
“Of course it wouldn’t make sense for Moeller to catch Hughes correct? I swear sometimes I just don’t get it with Girardi.”
Why would that make sense? Moeller didn’t catch Hughes much in the minors – since Hughes wasn’t at that level long.
“Why does Kay sound like he wants Phil not to do well????”
Because Kay is a tool. He has been rooting for Hughes to fail from the get go.
Too bad he doesn’t have the guile of Livan, right randy??
It may amount to nothing but I like that the Rays have runners on the corners with nobody out.
GO RAYS!!!!!
i like that hughes fought back…i just pray he has some easy quick single digit pitch count innings!!!
Why does Kay sound like he wants Phil not to do well????
He does sound like that Doreen, then again this is a man who I think would trade Phil for a snickers bar.
on gameaday, it said that phil hit 95 once today but mostly 92-93 with the fastball occasional 91, dont know if this is accurate but i remember reading that gameday was pretty accurate not sure though?
TK, you’ll regret those cruel words. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday.
At least Ewes got out of the inning.
Doreen in-case you haven’t noticed, Kay doesn’t like Hughes.
Cool, one run in for the Rays. 1-2
“Because Kay is a tool. He has been rooting for Hughes to fail from the get go.”
I’m sure Kay loves to be sitting around and not doing games during October for a 4th place team. I’m sure he is dying for this team to fail. Are you serious? Why would he want a Yankee prospect to fail?
I feel like a nervous mother!
He’s nervous, but made it through. Hopefully he settles down.
He just needs to throw strikes and let this aggressive team help him out.
Hughes was really throwing 100mph. We just couldn’t see the ball it was so fast.
You people are crazy
Well, looks like we’ll see Humberto Sanchez by the third inning.
I thought it was just me. Kay and Leiter are in mid-season form on Phil – how many times are they going to say that he throws a straight FB? They really make it sound like Phil is garbage, but that’s no surprise. I wish Ken Singleton were doing this game; think I’ll mute YES. I’ll chalk up the first inning to adrenaline and nerves; I also thought the ump had a fairly small strike zone.
the last time we saw hughes he had only 2 ml ready pitches,his fastball and curve,when he didn’t feel comfortable with his offspeed pitches he woulds throw only or mostly his curve and fasball and hitters were sitting on them.he has to be able to throw his offspeed pitches for strikes.
mel September 17th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
I feel like a nervous mother!
LOL! I know! Me too!
Oh sure, NOW the squirrel shows up. Thanks for nothing!
SCOOTERS BACK!! The Yankees go on a tear now!
“I feel like a nervous mother!”
Unless you truly are a relative of Hughes’, I believe you’re taking your fandom to unhealthy levels.
Kay and Leiter calls them like they see them.
They see a pitcher who can’t locate.
They see a pitcher who doesn’t throw that hard.
They see a pitcher who may last 4 innings.
You want them to sugar coat that for ya, Betsy?
“Oh sure, NOW the squirrel shows up. Thanks for nothing!”
GUESS WHAT???
Willy Aybar is an American hero.
3-2 Rays.
I’m sure Kay loves to be sitting around and not doing games during October for a 4th place team. I’m sure he is dying for this team to fail. Are you serious? Why would he want a Yankee prospect to fail?
Have you ever heard Kay talk about Hughes? Then you would understand why a lot of us get that impression.
The hyperbole on this board tonight is off the charts.
Go post on a Rays board Trisha.
Andy, skip my posts.
“Have you ever heard Kay talk about Hughes? Then you would understand why a lot of us get that impression.”
Is Kay supposed to shill for the Yankee overrated prospects??
It’s about performance. He can’t be critical?
I usually do, Trisha. I do kinda miss your love for Igawa, Farnsworth, Pavano, Ponson, etc.
nice to see a team that knows how to put together real at bats
“Willy Aybar is an American hero,” who was born in the Dominican Republic.
Did Kay say that Jeter now has 24 GIDPs? Johan Santana has given up 23 homers. This could come down the wire.
Kell -
Kay goes beyond critical. Leiter is more critical, and I’ll take what he has to say, he was a pitcher. Kay just whines – I think he’s a fan who’s disappointed that Phil didn’t come up and dominate.
16 foul balls on 41 pitches. That’s what’s killing the pitch count.
For someone who usually skips my post you seem to know a lot about what I say fraud.
KMA.
46 pitches through 1 1/3. Yikes!
“Willy Aybar is an American hero,†who was born in the Dominican Republic.
You just can’t say enough of their love for America! And tonight, he is an American hero.
Reading the minor league blog, every one of Hughes starts in AAA he was throwin 92-93 and touching 95, and once again that is nowhere to be found. Whats the deal?
Is Kay supposed to shill for the Yankee overrated prospects??
It’s about performance. He can’t be critical?
Did I ever say he can’t be critical? No, I don’t think I did.
But when someone is already written off by as complete garbage that will never amount to anything positive, especially considering this person’s career has just begun that’s when I take issue. And that’s the issue I have with Kay. This is based on previous things he has said on the radio this season. Just my opinion.
“Is Kay supposed to shill for the Yankee overrated prospects??
It’s about performance. He can’t be critical?”
Kay doesn’t shill every ounce of bull the Yankees feed him in general? The guy is a tool but seems to have a personal problem with Hughes the same way he has/had one with Mussina for the longest time.
Wow 50 some odd pitches in 2 innings. Have you ever seen this many pitches fouled off in only 2 innings?
GreenBeret — you’re dead-on regarding the number of foul balls. Unreal. He just can’t seem to put them away on four or fewer pitches.
Trisha and facts are strangers – DR is not america you pick
Is Phil auditiong for the role of… um, short man? This is unreal. But no damage — yet.
Another dumb Giaradi move putting pudge to catch knowing that Molina knows Hughes better
Hughes doesn’t look very relaxed. Over throwing everything.
He needs a few nice quick innings
Juan Uribe looks like a very violent man. Maybe that thing back home really did happen. j/k
I wish half you blogers would go watch home shopping
hooray!
For the first time in his career, Phil Hughes gets out of an inning in the ML with less than 25 pitches.
“16 foul balls on 41 pitches. That’s what’s killing the pitch count.”
nerves?
argh!
How many pitches did he throw in the first inning? I have him going for my fantasy team tonight
Z-man, it’s now 26 of 57 pitches, but, it’s not just Hughes…It’s all of them and usually includes Chamberlain. Eiland or somebody needs to work with them on a little more deception in the delivery or movement on the ball.
WOWEE!
Perez tagged Wakefield.
5-2 Rays.
In the first inning he threw 33 pitches, I think
G’Man is one behind A-Rod for HR as Yanks.
If there is any justice he will finish behind.
“Trisha and facts are strangers – DR is not america you pick”
And something made you think I thought it was? Grow up.
If Giambi actually ran down to first he would have been safe.
Green — I totally agree. Well, at least our offense is working to hurry the game along.
Just for comparison, how much pitches does this Richard guy have?
“Hughes doesn’t look very relaxed. Over throwing everything.”
Looks like he is trying to make up for what happened in April with just one start. He needs to settle down and worry about execution, winning doesn’t matter anymore Phil should use these starts to work on command.
this is like an april game for hughes. he’s going to show some rust.
i think he looks fine. i still think he will do well in the majors.
velocity is a little lower than normal, but that’s fine. we have to build on this for next year.
Thanks, Yankee offense. I guess they really want to see what else Hughes has up his sleeve.
Hughes is a prime example of why you shouldn’t think prospects are great until you actually see them pitch/play in the majors.
Everyone expected Sandy Koufax. Talking 12-6 curve, high 90′s fastball, Mussina type location!
Only we can make this lousy lefty look like Steve Carlton. Man, I can’t wait for this season to end. A-Rod’s trying to desperately cling to a .300 average. Softest .300 since Mr. Whipple.
Its really ridiculous how predictable this team is. Lefty they havent seen with a terrible ERA and they look absolutely lost up there.
Just work a count at least before you strike out.
“Hughes is a prime example of why you shouldn’t think prospects are great until you actually see them pitch/play in the majors.”
Small sample size but he looked pretty good last year.
Another outstanding night of nothing from the Yankees offense?
ER — Richard has thrown 22 pitches. It only seems like fewer.
Pete please ask Johnny why he insists on cutting in front of fielders to throw the ball in. He has NO arm yet he constantly does it!
This is painful – Hughes is being too fine.
He has IPK syndrome.
Maybe the Yankees think this is J.R. Richard in his volatile prime on the mound.
“Another outstanding night of nothing from the Yankees offense?”
Geeze let’s hope not…
Do you think A-rod and G-man could have at least made their at bats a little longer to give Hughes a breather.
Jeez you’d think the two of them lost millions in the market and were in hurry to call their brokers.
Anyone really expecting the Yankees to hit?
Drat, the dreaded runner on 3rd with less than 2 out – that works for all teams but the Yankees.
A-Rod’s in a hurry. It’s his turn to wear the funky cone bra tonight with Louise Ciccone.
In the third inning, no chances. One run against this yankee offense is like a mountain!
I think part of the off-season purge should include the announcers on TV/Radio – b’bye Kay and Sterling/Waldman.
Hello new blood. Dear Hank/Hal – hear my prayer
“One run against this yankee offense is like a mountain!”
What an amazingly horrid thought. Yet true. Wow.
Hughes will be decent once he gets his stuff together. PC around 70 he might get 5.
Looks like Robby got religion. Let’s hope it lasts.
Tk- Hate to break it to you, but I heard Kay signed a new contract.
Yep, we got lots more Michael Kay in our future. He resigned.
Maybe next year they won’t put two rookies in the rotation to start the season.
Like I’ve been saying all season, Cano needs to be more aggressive LIKE THAT and jump on the first pitch. Well done, Robbie!
Hate to break it to you, but I heard Kay signed a new contract.
I think it’s a new 3 year deal.
Pudge is one God awful hitter. He fits right in.
I love Washingtons lineup.
It’s like Scranton 2007.
‘Tk- Hate to break it to you, but I heard Kay signed a new contract.’
jennifer – can you please come down here and kick me in the stomach to finish the effect?
Commence with Melky-back-in-midseason-form jokes.
Guys.
I just found out come May I’m gonna be an aunt.
Jeez
Except Nady no Yankee has seen more than 4 pitches…if they weren’t interested in playing they should have called in sick….save everyone some time and money. This is an utter disgrace.
RICHARD THREW 4 PITCHES LAST INNING
Congrats Rebecca!
ZMAN7777 Can you repeat that?
“I love Washingtons lineup.
It’s like Scranton 2007.”
Apparently then – Scranton would have taken the last 2 against the Heimlich Metropolitans! (AKA CHOK-A-HOLICS!)
Quiz answer…Luke Appling
Please don’t make me repeat it.
Congratulations Rebecca. One of life’s greatest joys. The fun about being an aunty is that you can give them back to their parents.
“Except Nady no Yankee has seen more than 4 pitches…if they weren’t interested in playing they should have called in sick….save everyone some time and money. This is an utter disgrace.”
They saw that the History Channel is running a new episode of Mythbusters at 9 and wanna hurry up and get back in the clubhouse.
“Guys.
I just found out come May I’m gonna be an aunt.”
Congrats Becca. That baby will hopefully come into a world with the Yankees in 1st
By history channel i meant Discovery, Fail.
6-2 Rays.
Will any of you NY area posters be taping Sunday night’s festivities?
Al: Don’t worry, my brother will make sure his child is raised right.
at least hughes not getting killed
When Hughes and Eiland go over this tape the advice will be simple. “Phil, throw strikes, don’t overthrow and work on your curve since its your only put-away pitch.”
Rebecca -
Congrats Auntie-2-B!
rebecca –
I am confident that I don’t have to push you to clothe this precious gift in pinstripes! – and lay off the sabres till puberty!
Congrats Rebecca!
It would be cool if Hughes’ velocity was like 94-95, and not 88-92.
The yankees of this decade would be number one in history in BBURPS. Every time we face an unknown we get shutout and the yankees make them look like cy young on roids. If it is a lefty we never heard of, we might as well call the gane before it starts. Its ridiculous. If they dont know the name of the pitcher do the scouts take the day off? I used to pretend this was a joke but The consistency of being shutout by no namers time and again is getting scary.I dont get it – maybe Long has some idea
ZMAN— if you repeat your comments yu may miss the next 3 innings of Yankee ABs.
Does Michael Kay really get paid to do this? I can’t fathom who thinks he is good at his job lol
I’d like the Discovery Channel to uncover the mystery of the Yankees’ missing plate discipline. Despite the pitch count, Phil is holding the line, but he needs more than 5 minutes to sit in the dugout.
It is unbelievable that this is a one run game. Hughes=90 pitches Richard=26
And congrats, Rebecca. That’s one thing I will never be.
Jesus Christ, Uribe’s a tough out. He covers more plate than _______ (Match Game).
Only 4 hits, keeping the damage to a minimum. For the love of god, please get this boy some runs, so at least he’ll be in line for a win.
TK: I don’t think they’ll let the baby anywhere near the swords!
But you guys will love that you’re looking at a future Yankees-Giants-Rangers fan. (Though I’ll do my best to initiate said child into Jets/Devilsdom)
Can we borrow the 2 runs from yesterday and use them towards today’s game?
“I’d like the Discovery Channel to uncover the mystery of the Yankees’ missing plate discipline.”
One of my favorite movies is ‘The Usual Suspects’ – could be the Yankees – ‘just like that – they’re gone’!
If anyone’s interested (and because I have no life)
Huhges
1st inning/ 20 fastballs avg speed 92 (high 95 low 87)
2nd inning/ 14 fastballs avg spead 91 (high 93 low 86)
3rd inning/ 10 fastballs avg speed 90.5 (high 92 low 89)
4th inning/ 9 fastballs avg speed 90.3 (high 91 low 90)
per gameday.
Marathon at-bat for Damon. Well done.
S.A. -
That’s original – borrowing runs from a losing game instead of a game where there were excess runs. I like it. They should do it!!!
Decent job for Hughes who has/had absolutely nothing tonight other then his cutter.
I have very mixed feelings on Phil’s performance tonight. On one hand, he’s had lousy command and so-so velocity; every inning, he’s been in trouble. He’s also thrown a zillion pitches and probably won’t even go 5.
On the other hand, he’s really battled tonight and that’s a good sign. Also, his adrenaline is understandably high……although, he should have calmed down by now. It doesn’t help that his offense is not giving him time to even sit down before he has to get out there again.
“I have very mixed feelings on Phil’s performance tonight”
I don’t – and I am ‘on the bandwagon’ (see the start of the thread) – he was not good at all tonight. Plain and simple.
You can’t do that and be an MLB starter. imo!
Looks like Coke replacing Hughesy.
Drive 4-5 or Randy, if you are here I know you will be delighted to hear that the score is now 8-2 Rays.
Congrats Rebecca, thats awesome.
as lousy as hughes control has been along with his high pitch count he has to realize he got mlb batters out with terrible stuff and that has to give him confidence going forward…
Phil lowered his ERA to 7.96!
Coke is our version of the A’s Brad Ziegler so far.
“Phil lowered his ERA to 7.96″
LMAO
Lookout B Webb!
I’m sorry, I meant Phil Hughes. I think Phil Coke has earned “Phil” status for now.
Coke appears to be oneto come u of the few young Yankee pitchers p that doesn’t have a lot of fouls hit off of him.
“I know you will be delighted to hear that the score is now 8-2 Rays.”
I dunno how other people feel but I get no pleasure from the Sux losing when they are still going to make the playoffs.
Somebody tell Flahrity Coke is like 4 years older then Hughes.
I think our reliever is turning us all into Coke Heads!
Where was this Phil Coke guy back in August?
Yeah Phil Phorty Eight has looked really good. Glad the Buccos invented that arm injury for him to not be in the trade. I wonder if it would be looking a gift horse in the mouth to ask how he would look as a starter?
trisha,
I just flipped it over to NESN to catch the score and I am DELIGHTED:):)
Man, I’m really liking Phil Coke.
“I dunno how other people feel but I get no pleasure from the Sux losing when they are still going to make the playoffs.”
Al, the pleasure I will get is in their going in as the wild card and not as the division leader. That’s why I’m happy the Rays are winning. I’d rather not see the Sux have HFA for any part of the postseason.
“Somebody tell Flahrity Coke is like 4 years older then Hughes.”
they mentioned that
Let’s face it, Coke and Aceves have outperformed Hughes and Kennedy by thirty furlongs. Good eye again for pitching talent, Mr. Cashman.
***Coke appears to be one of few young Yankee pitchers to come up that doesn’t have a lot of foul ball hit off of him*** bad typing is detrimental to my health
Well, I hope the Yankees have learned 2 things:
Thing 1: No matter how tempting to do otherwise, don’t go nuts over your prospects, no matter how good they are; and
Thing 2: Do not bring young pitchers up too soon. Pretend they don’t exist. Use anyone else in an emergency. But do not bring these kids up too early.
The sign that a pitcher has truly arrived in the big leagues : pitching economically.
I knew you wouldn’t let me down Drive! All the hype today was about how Wakefield owned the Rays and the Trop.
“Let’s face it, Coke and Aceves have outperformed Hughes and Kennedy by thirty furlongs. Good eye again for pitching talent, Mr. Cashman.”
He picked those other two guys too right?
I do feel bad for Arod. He will never be fully accepted in the Bronx.
Another stink bomb from A-Rod
“Where was this Phil Coke guy back in August?”
Rebecca – check out Ashmore’s Trenton Thunder blog – it takes you step by step through the year that he had – bad and good!
Sometimes i’m really embarrassed for people who allegedly call themselves Yankee fans.
Ugh.
There’s a lot to be said for coming in under the radar. No hype. Coke and Aceves had no overblown expectations. It matters. Plus, no small thing, they’re older. More physically, emotionally, and psychologically developed.
“He picked those other two guys too right?”
Perhaps . . . but unfortunately, neither one was pegged to open the season as starters. Come on!
wow, what a surprise that the YES boys are killing Hughes. Oh well – from now on when Phil pitches, it’s John and Suzyn for me. Kay and Leiter have never liked Phil – guess John F can be added to the mix.
However, I will say that I’m pretty disappointed. Not a good outing at all- 4 innings? Ouch. I think he probably could have gone 5, though. Either way, I’m keeping the faith, but I will admit that Phil is an uncomfortable pitcher to watch. He makes it very hard on himself, throwing that many pitches. I’d like to chalk tonight up to adrenaline, but he didn’t get better at all after the first. I’d say overall that the Phil doubters got what they expected tonight and the Phil fans got something less than what they wanted.
is it really true that Richard started the game with an ERA over 6?
lol
How’s the rest of the lineup doing, Z-man”
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Yep…That’s what I thought.
trisha – BRING BOBBY BACK!
September 17th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
“I do feel bad for Arod.”
Awww, trisha…let’s all have a pity party for poor Arod!
How’s this? Richard has allowed 1 hit and 1 walk in 5 innings. He has thrown 55 pitches in total. Nine random people on this blog could work the count better. This is disgusting.
“Al, the pleasure I will get is in their going in as the wild card and not as the division leader. That’s why I’m happy the Rays are winning. I’d rather not see the Sux have HFA for any part of the postseason.”
True I forgot about HFA, I’d like to see the Sux go out to LA and take a beating.
Al from Bk,
I live in Mass and take lots of heat from Sux fans. When there’s only 5 of them against me, I consider it a fair fight.
With every fiber in me I want the Boston Red Sox to lose every game wherever they play whoever they play against. Exhibition games included.
Their fans are the most arrogant and obnoxious in all of sports. The only thing that keeps them quiet is losing.
Before going nuts about Aceves and Coke…remember IPK and Phil unFranchise looked the same this time of year as well.
The only hope is that with Hughes, Coke, Aceves, IPK, Sanchez, Brackman, Wright….someone will develop into a decent starter pitcher to go along with Wang and Joba.
“Perhaps . . . but unfortunately, neither one was pegged to open the season as starters. Come on!”
The thing of it is you can’t kill the guy for the bad decisions and then kill him again for two farm hands that are working out, it’s bad logic.
I’m with you, bad idea starting the season with 2 young guys in the rotation knowing half way through youd have a need to put Joba in there too. But he did a good job spotting that Aceves was talented (at least a little) over in Mexico and that Coke could help the team when he drafted him.
Hey jake, he does play for the New York Yankees. Nobody else gets booed every time he makes an out, despite what he has done at other AB.
No pity party here – just a little bit of the milk of human kindness, something that isn’t universally owned either on this blog or at the Stadium.
Green — Methinks King Alex shouldn’t be dominated by a young lefty with an ERA of nearly 7. But it’s okay — we’ve got 9 more seasons to watch for improvement,
Are the White Sox willig trade Clayton Richard for Phil Hughes straight up?
“Before going nuts about Aceves and Coke…remember IPK and Phil unFranchise looked the same this time of year as well. ”
I think it is wonderful that this website doesn’t administer an IQ test before people can post their idiotic opinions.
“Their fans are the most arrogant and obnoxious in all of sports. The only thing that keeps them quiet is losing.”
I know they are relentless and very arrogant for only 5 years of success
Sounds like Coke is following the Guidry path. as a hard throwing lefty, begins as a starter in the minors, pitches relief in the majors, picks up a hard slider and the next year becomes a starter at age 26.
Betsy,
To be honest, I was disappointed in Phil’s start tonight. I was hoping after pitching so well in Scranton’s postseason that he would have had better command. I didnt see a whole lot of improvement,but it’s only 1 start.
Doreen, it sounds like you are giving up on Phil. I’m pretty disappointed with tonight’s outing, but IMO, it’s way too soon to go that far. I wonder if he’ll get another outing after this one? I doubt it. He’s lucky he didn’t give up 5 runs.
Al,
I guess 86 years of losing made Sux fans bitter
“Are the White Sox willig trade Clayton Richard for Phil Hughes straight up?”
He wasn’t that bad today. Also you couldn’t find one scout in America who would say that trade was even.
“With every fiber in me I want the Boston Red Sox to lose every game wherever they play whoever they play against. Exhibition games included.”
Drive, I seriously think that for the most part you have to live in the heart of RSN to be able to appreciate that thought. I am with you all the way, and it feels good to have someone else who thoroughly understands that feeling.
Aceves and Coke are older then Hughes and Kennedy. Both have been pitching a lot longer before coming to the major leagues. I’m sure that plays a role in them “out pitching” Hughes and Kennedy.
So, Z-man, he’s dominating a few other outstanding hitters in the lineup, also. Harp on them.
ZMAN
Why single him out? Was Jeter’s 24th GIDP a thing of beauty? Damon’s broken bats and strike outs? Nady and Giambi’s weak ground balls?
“Sounds like Coke is following the Guidry path. as a hard throwing lefty, begins as a starter in the minors, pitches relief in the majors, picks up a hard slider and the next year becomes a starter at age 26.”
How cool would that be. A young Pettitte to replace the old one I like!
Doreen is killin’ it tonight!
Coke is 26. Aceves is (we think) 25. Older, more experienced, and have dealt with struggling.
Hughes has shown enough to see the talent is there. The seasoning and polish isn’t yet.
If you want to develop him properly, he spends 2009 in AAA honing his craft.
You want to ruin him? Keep force feeding NY before it’s time. That would be tragic, IMO.
“Why single him out? Was Jeter’s 24th GIDP a thing of beauty? Damon’s broken bats and strike outs? Nady and Giambi’s weak ground balls?”
Groupthink, sheeple… take your pick, lol.
I was actually okay with Phil’s outing. I think he was working on nerves and adrenaline, I think he felt he had something to prove after having done so poorly earlier in the season, and I think that other than throwing an inordinate amount of pitches, he did a good job of holding the Chisox to one run.
Okay, maybe I’m the only one who regrets that A-Rod will be with us for another decade.
GB7 –
You’re a great guy! but call me when Coke turns in a year above .500, much less a Guidry type year!
(and thanks as always for your service! God Bless!)
pat cause it is easy to single out Alex.
Oh and Cano gets the second hit of the game, lets see who will into a dp now?
Cano! Dontcha Know!
Cano learning what basketball players already know. Good defense leads to good offense.
Keep in mind that Hughes was pitching with a heavy heart. He knows he should have been the one to take the mound in the Bricktown Showdown, not his pampered pal Ian.
How many people can say… I left my heart in Oklahoma City?
Or… Scranton? And I’m not counting Kei Igawa’s translater.
Okay can Melky bunt? Is it possible? He’ll probably bunt into a dp.
“Okay, maybe I’m the only one who regrets that A-Rod will be with us for another decade.”
No. You and the other charter members of the “what have you done for us lately, Arod” society, seem hellbent on harping on for the next decade though.
Good Lord, was that a hit from Ivan the Terrible???
Betsy,
No, I’m not giving up on Phil at all.
What I think though is that perhaps expectations have to be adjusted a little. He hasn’t pitched a full season in too long. He’s been rehabbing from injuries for parts of 2 seasons. There’s no way he’s the same pitcher he was before all that.
However, if patience is allowed, I believe Phil will make it here as a Yankee.
Let’s see if the Melkman can deliver. Or at least bunt.
MELKY STINKS. CAN’T EVEN BUNT.
Angel
I pick sheeple.
A big difference is that Phil Coke had 6 years in the minors to learn how to pitch.
Okay he’ll bunt, but he popped up. GREAT!
“I was actually okay with Phil’s outing.”
Welcome to LowStandardsville – Population You!
at least gardner can bunt and run…
Nah, you folks go after Melky instead. Give the $30 million man a pass.
Nice typical Yankees. We get the first two hitters on. Pop up bunt, than a lazy fly ball to left.
The Yankees season in a microcosm.
It’s ok, we’re just showcasing Melky now.
wow melky is worthless
People need to get off of Phil Hughes’ back. The kid is 22.
And major kudos to Pete for turning down the opportunity to play “Met Life Employee of the Day” recently when asked to pull the countdown lever. You have integrity, Pete.
I feel bad for Melk. That was truly horrible.
Looks like that trip to AAA really helped Melky.
I want to see Gardner in center for every remaining game, thanks.
Drive, I almost hope Phil doesn’t get another start. He’s just not ready and I don’t know when he will be. I love this kid, but his command stinks. I do understand the adrenaline kicking in, but he’s got to do better than 89 pitches in 4 innings. I know Phil has it in him, but boy – this is not the same confident kid that pitched a near no-no in Texas and he’s not even the same kid who pitched in the playoffs, just a year ago.
Pete: the job of a hitting coach is to make his hitters hit. The job of a pitching coach is to make his pitchers pitch. The job of of a 3B coach is to make his runners run the bases well… the job of a manager is to bring up the best in his players…
Does that says enough about our 2008 staff?
“I think it is wonderful that this website doesn’t administer an IQ test before people can post their idiotic opinions.”
TKinDC your right you wouldn’t get to post
Aceves 20 IP 15 hits 4 ER
IPK 19 IP 13 hits 4 ER
I guess by your logic we should count on Aceves as being in the starting rotation next year??? That worked real well with IPK this year with exactly the same numbers
Nick for what? two bags of balls instead of one?
I’m pretty okay with Hughes outing actually. Could it have been better? Oh hell yeah.
But, he didn’t get bombed and did show me some fight. So I’ll take it. The child is 22, lotsa room for improvement.
I still believe in you Phil!
“Give the $30 million man a pass.”
If $30 million is what bothers you, pick on 2 $15 million dollar men for awhile if you need to complain about something.
A-Rod 2009 AL MVP. You heard it here first.
TKinDC
September 17th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
GB7 –
You’re a great guy! but call me when Coke turns in a year above .500, much less a Guidry type year!
(and thanks as always for your service! God Bless!)
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I was only referring to the amount of minor league time they both had and that they didn’t learn a slider until they were 26 years old, and they are both hard throwing lefties.
I appreciate the service remarks, but, they don’t mean a thing. It was a job that I chose to do because I was good at it and I enjoyed it.
“I feel bad for Melk. That was truly horrible.”
Like someone else is responsible for that horrific performance?
Yikes – I should have had you as a teacher in school!
Nice double standard there, stadium fans.
“Welcome to LowStandardsville – Population You!”
Actually it’s welcome to AbilitytoLookBeyondMyNoseville – Population not you!”
Good luck in AAA for the Padres next year, Melky.
GIDP and pop-up bunt. All that’s left for Melky to accomplish is to get picked off first base after a HBP.
“I was only referring to the amount of minor league time they both had and that they didn’t learn a slider until they were 26 years old, and they are both hard throwing lefties.”
Okay then – You STINK! (j/k)
Pat — maybe you’re next in line after the Material Girl. I’m sure Alex feels the love regardless. Spare me your superhero worship.
Why is he back? Why not stick with someone with talent?
“Give the $30 million man a pass.â€
If $30 million is what bothers you, pick on 2 $15 million dollar men for awhile if you need to complain about something.
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Or how about 3 x $10 million, or 6 x $5 million players? That should keep him occupied enough to distract him from his obsession.
I want to kill Girardi, get Sanchez in this game!
I doubt confidence was the problem tonight. After all he did throw ALL his pitches unlike last year and earlier this year when it was just FB and Curve. I think he was just simply pumped up. First start in the majors since April will do that to you.
This town is ridiculous. It has absolutely no patience for young players. I remember how people was saying how much of a bust Pelfry was. Now everyone loves him.
I feel bad for any young player that comes up from a New York teams farm system.
I am going to REFUSE to believe that the Yankees are incapable of scoring a run (or so) tonight – until and unless I am forced to believe it…
Wow, we can’t even score a run.
This team makes me want to puke! I have not been a Girardi basher, but you have to have the IQ of an end table to let Melky do ANYTHING against LH pitching. He is useless and hopeless from that side and if he’s a Yankee next year I hope they will make him a full time LH hitter.
Damon’s at bat afterwards was an absolute disgrace, hacking at the first pitch, out of the strike zone and making an easy out.
I guess that’s all A Rod’s fault too….
Hughes did a fine job… battled without his best stuff and gave his team a chance.
“Pat — maybe you’re next in line after the Material Girl. I’m sure Alex feels the love regardless. Spare me your superhero worship.”
I honestly thought things would better around here when all the kids went back to school. *sigh*
“I want to kill Girardi, get Sanchez in this game!”
You need some sort of therapy.
Why can’t the Yankees do anything with people on base??? This is so damn frustrating. They’re horrible!
Be patient with Phil Franchise! He is only 28 and it is true that he has not won a game, but he is developing and will be a top notch pitcher.
Six inning, no runs.
Looks again the Yankees are BBURP (Beaten by Unknown Rookie Pitcher)
Hughes is actually only 22.
TKinDC
September 17th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
“I was only referring to the amount of minor league time they both had and that they didn’t learn a slider until they were 26 years old, and they are both hard throwing lefties.â€
Okay then – You STINK! (j/k)
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Absolutely impossible. I showered just last week.
TK,
It was that bad. And he’s had a long, hard fall as it is.
Cro — I like the acronym! At this stage, I would say they are simply “B” — beaten.
Equal expectations = Superhero worship? Only in your world.
I’ll keep the guy I’ve been married to for the last 17 years thanks. He understands that people aren’t machines and doesn’t boo me I don’t make exactly what he wants for dinner.
Bruney came back from his injury looking healthier than ever.
Britton came back from his injury fatter than ever.
Little slow are we Johnny…..it says “future headlines”
““I want to kill Girardi, get Sanchez in this game!â€
You need some sort of therapy.”
Yeah because I meant that literally. But seriously did the kid park in his spot? The pen was heavily used last night and on Monday, so why can’t he give this kid a shot.
“I’ll keep the guy I’ve been married to for the last 17 years thanks. He understands that people aren’t machines and doesn’t boo me I don’t make exactly what he wants for dinner.”
Post of the night, gold star for you.
Bruney is one of my favorites in the pen. Anyone know his age – even approximate?
Future Headlines, your oh-so-clever wordplay wasn’t obvious to me, either.
“TK,
It was that bad. And he’s had a long, hard fall as it is.”
Who? Phil?
Name the 2nd best 22 year-old in the MLB.
He’s no Colt Brennan of course!
So I guess scoring a run is out of the question?
Brian Bruney is 26
Terrific work by Coke and Bruney. Good to know that they’re part of ’09.
It’s possible that Girardi doesn’t want to toss Sanchez into a 1-run game?
pat,
That Bruney kid’s pretty good, huh?
Girardi isn’t bringing in a rookie for his major league debut while down by a run, nor, should he.
Oh. Yeah. I’m a little high.
Thanks Rob NY! I’m liking him even better!
Bruney is awesome. The only reliable guy in the BP.
TK,
Talking about the Melk!
Bruney was born 2/17/82.
“Yeah because I meant that literally. But seriously did the kid park in his spot? The pen was heavily used last night and on Monday, so why can’t he give this kid a shot.”
Incidentally – who tf cares? We have minor leaguers up to pick up the pieces. Unless you are dumb enough to have money on this game you really couldn’t give a ret’s rear end about the outcome.
please score a run
mel
Ah, he’s okay.
Thanks Doreen!
A-Rod homer.
Yankee lineup again haunted by the ghost of the neverbeforeseen pitcher.
Thanks for nothing Bobby A-Boo-Boo.
Dream scenario: Phillies win the NL East. Brewers and Mets finish ties, have a one-game playoff. CC vs. Santana for the Wild Card. CC homers off of Santana. Brewers win.
ARod walks…
Trisha — it’s infuriating how only this team is spooked by such ghosts. Boston seems to feast on them.
Why would it be any different yankees cant hit
Hughes ran up his pitch count early on, which didn’t allow him to go deep into the game. I can’t complain though..as he kept them in the game and limited the damage. His final line was: 4IP 4H 1R 1ER 2BB 4K. I’ll take it…
Kevin
“Girardi isn’t bringing in a rookie for his major league debut while down by a run, nor, should he.”
Agreed. As much as I’d like to see Sanchez, and for him to get to pitch at the stadium, Girardi is still managing all these home games as must wins. I don’t think we will see Humberto this home stand unless they are ahead or behind by a good amount.
Nick –
That is CC’s agent’s dream – not the Yankees’.
(tsk tsk!)
ZMANN I hear ya.
I love how the boys in the booth are pretending like this situation never happened before. Unknown pitchers have been channeling the spirits of Walter Johnson and Warren Spahn all year against the Yanks.
X!
Hey look! A run!
Thank you X-Man!!!!
Where did he learn that clutch-itude???
Credit to Arod who walked and therefore scored the run. Good job by Nady.
Woo hoo! A run!
at least we got one run
Greg in the other thread said this -
“Now is the time to sit Giambi with the exception of one final token appearance Sunday for the last game at the Stadium on Sunday night.
It’s a foregone conclusion that he won’t be back so let’s see how Miranda does with a few opportunities. Nothing to lose by it.”
Couldn’t agree more, but notice who Girardi continues to put in the lineup. Oh, yeah, I forgot, Joe still thinks he’s in a pennant race…sssshhhhhhh. Don’t wake him.
w00T
A hit with RISP?? Nahh
“I don’t think we will see Humberto this home stand unless they are ahead or behind by a good amount.”
This is the last home stand, hopefully a game arrives where we are actually leading enough to let this guy pitch in front of his family in the last week at YS.
Nice piece of hitting there.
Al from BK -
This phenomenon goes back a couple of years at least. It used to be mildly amusing. It’s grown to be extremely irritating.
Don’t they have a plan?????
3 hits for cano
oh my goodness! A run!
Come on Pudge!
Drat. Wish Nady could have scored there. I’m always leery of the 2 out syndrome.
“Unless you are dumb enough to have money on this game you really couldn’t give a ret’s rear end about the outcome.”
Um… well… you see…
Wait, I mean, tut tut, TK, we always strive to win every game!
Nice inning. Nice game for Cano.
Sometimes Cano has games like this and you remember when he was being discussed for a batting title.
Girardi should have brought Humberto in yesterday… down 4 runs, no pressure on him.
He can’t use him today down by 1 run. I know these games are meaningless, but he still has to manage like he wants to win.
Apparently Robi’s legs were just tired and need some bench tine
“3 hits for cano”
Plus he’s flying down the baseline and running to all parts of the field to make plays! Methinks he gets it.
Perhaps Girardi made his point with Cano…now if he can do the same with Arod who appears to have checked out.
Nick,
Obviously he was born with it. He is Nady VI after all.
Pfft. Can’t even run. Gardner would’ve made it.
If anything, Cal took some of his clutchitude away. Damn tree-huggers.
Kudos to Cano: 3 hits versus a lefty.
good decision for Bobby Meacham. improvement!
Wow, just noticed the AIG sign in CF. “AIG: The Strength to Be Incompetent and Bailed Out”
Have to think that had they had Gardner pinch running for Nady, he would have scored.
“Al from BK -
This phenomenon goes back a couple of years at least. It used to be mildly amusing. It’s grown to be extremely irritating.
Don’t they have a plan?????”
Doreen- All I know is that this can’t happen again next year. This “phenomenon” is a big reason why were not making the playoffs.
Trisha — I hope you’re right, but it’s a little early to declare victory with Cano.
Nick –
You have a better stomach than me! I can’t bet on games I care about and I don’t care to bet on games I don’t care about.
But hats off to you my friend!
I’ve been reading this blog for a couple of months. Wanted to post a few times. But others have would already typed what I wanted to type. I’m a Phil Hughes supporter. He wasn’t great today. But he wasn’t awful also. Had he gotten a couple of those close pitches called strikes. He’s probably there another inning. And was Jeter booed when he struck out last inning with risp? Or in the 1st when he hit into his 24th dp?
we’ll take that…wild pitch/passed ball
HAPPEN ALL YEAR THEY CANT HIT RISP AND THEN YOU GET THE GO-AHREAD RUN ON ERROR/WILD PITCH
…did we just take the lead?
Man, if you discount the meltdown of the American financial system, this has been one of the best days of my life. Totally.
And Meacham’s hold is rewarded.
“Don’t they have a plan?????”
Apparently their plan is to continue to play the old worn out players until the end of the season, Doreen.
Forget letting some of the kids play, WE’RE STILL IN IT BOYS….Joe, go to sleep it will all be over soon.
Good things CAN happen with a man on third.
“But hats off to you my friend!”
I wish that’s all they wanted. I’m worried about my kneecaps.
Wow. Phil outpitched Richard. Huh.
ZMANN – long live the wild pitch!!!
I’ll miss Pudge’s production next year.
What is Melky’s full name?
We have the lead? Lemme check and see if there are any pigs flying outside.
“Man, if you discount the meltdown of the American financial system, this has been one of the best days of my life. Totally.”
Don’t tell me a Masters student in your field didn’t short SIV’s, CDO’s and Reit’s!
It is like the tulip bulb bubble! lol
Good the Yankees are playing well enough not to have their draft picks protected.
Nick in SF
September 17th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
“But hats off to you my friend!â€
I wish that’s all they wanted. I’m worried about my kneecaps.
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At least you get to keep your hat to hide that bald spot.
So Ben Sheets got hurt again eh? This time in the biggest game of his career?
Pass, Burnett is a much better option than him.
Wild pitch, passed ball, catcher’s interference, favorable Acts of God . . . we’ll accept all gifts at this point.
Hey everyone check it out, our future ace is pitching!
GO JOBA!
S.A. — I believe Chris Britton has indeed sprouted wings (shame on me for that one).
“Wild pitch, passed ball, catcher’s interference, favorable Acts of God . . . we’ll accept all gifts at this point.”
Don’t forget gifts from the ghosts at the Stadium.
“Hey everyone check it out, our future ace is pitching!”
OK Al from BK – is there a Yankee that you like?
“At least you get to keep your hat to hide that bald spot.”
That wasn’t me in that picture, that was a Bernie Williams bobblehead.
The postseason success of the NY Yankees is directly correlated to the fortunes of the U.S. stock market.
“So Ben Sheets got hurt again eh? This time in the biggest game of his career?
Pass, Burnett is a much better option than him.”
I agree. NL guys are a crapshoot coming over to the AL. Especially guys with a lengthy DL report. I know Burnett is hurt a fair deal but he at least knows the division.
I’d prefer a Dp over a strikeout. Thome’s a dead fastball hitter.
S.A. — I believe Chris Britton has indeed sprouted wings (shame on me for that one).
LOL.
Poor Britton
Hey at least they won while I was in New York, thank God.
I just got home this morning, talk about a long ride…wow.
But nonetheless I am still rooting for ‘em till the end!
DJ is so good at DP – making them, and making them!
Oh that was beautiful
“Don’t forget gifts from the ghosts at the Stadium.”
Don’t forget the squirrel!
““Hey everyone check it out, our future ace is pitching!â€
OK Al from BK – is there a Yankee that you like?”
That comment was not sarcastic. He is our future ace, no?
“Vince Black Yakns in Chitown”
Wow you think I would be able to spell my own name!
Berrrry nice play by that kid.
Nick in SF
September 17th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
“At least you get to keep your hat to hide that bald spot.â€
That wasn’t me in that picture, that was a Bernie Williams bobblehead.
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LMAO. Just to easy to pass on it.
“Don’t forget the squirrel!”
Damn you’re right! Scooter is back!!!
Beautiful, Joba! We need just 4 more innings from you in 2008!
The bullpen has been positively stellar tonight. Just keep Edwar and Veras off the mound, please, and things look a bit brighter.
STFD Loser!
Sorry if I misunderstood Al.
Jooooooooooba
Cripes, the Rays game is like watching paint dry. It’s only in the 6th!!!
Joba, you da man!
Starting, relief, catching, fielding, managing, whatever you want, dog, it’s yours.
lol –
They need to adjust their pitching to face the offensive furor that is – - – the MELKMAN!
From the time you hit “submit comment”, how long is it taking you guys for it to appear? My time is 45-60 seconds. Any reason for that. It’s mot the computer or connection. All other sites are instantanious.
Everyone see that 8th inning?
THAT’S what a phenom looks like, Hughes isn’t even in the same stratosphere of Joba, the real phenom.
Dare I speculate that the bullpen could be one of the best in the A.L next year. I’m not saying he should be there, but if Joba is in next year’s pen, this has a chance to be the best pen in baseball.
My wish is for the Yanks to score 3 in this inning, see Joba again in the 9th, and save Mo for Moose’s start tomorrow night.
GB – up until this very post mine have gone right away…
Still
Hughes should take a few notes from Mr. Joba.
DA MELKMAN!
YEAH MELKY!!!!
Lookie, lookie, Melky found his Cookie!!
GB7, from when I click submit to when the page refreshes with my comment is usually less than 5 seconds. Of course I live much closer to all the servers here in the Bay Area.
(insert winky emoticon)
Most likely your posts are on a 45-second delay due to previous anti-media commentary!
Love that comment by Moreno.
Nice hit by MC.
Melky Cabrera hits, good things happen.
GreenBeret7 September 17th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
From the time you hit “submit commentâ€, how long is it taking you guys for it to appear? My time is 45-60 seconds. Any reason for that. It’s mot the computer or connection. All other sites are instantanious.
A good portion of the time it appears automatically, but then there are some times when something I submit shows up maybe 2 minutes later and I’m wondering what happened to what I posted.
Overall, it is pretty slow here compared to other sites
I be loving our Yanks mightily tonight!
W00T!!!!!!!!!
nice thats da same guy from last night who caught the homerun
“I’d feel bad about paying a closer more than Mariano Rivera.”
haha.
Nice Johnny!
Hello Kids… How is everyone doing? Are you impressed that I stayed true to my word and stayed away for a week plus? You got lucky, I had to go to London for work.
Some good news from today:
Hughes lowered his ERA from 9.00 to 7.96.
Kennedy still stands at 8.17, but 2 scoreless innings will give him the lead for lowest ERA among the young pitchers.
They still have a long way to go to catch Rasner (5.38). Sadly, I don’t think either has the ability to.
…no way.
Two nights in a row?
I kinda hate that guy.
Give that guy catching taters season tickets next season.
That’s amazing!!! He should play the lottery. Or something.
What did Moreno say?
“Trisha, I think that there is a spy in here that’s checking my messages to make sure that I don’t talk about deseases and performances.”
“GB7, from when I click submit to when the page refreshes with my comment is usually less than 5 seconds. Of course I live much closer to all the servers here in the Bay Area.”
That is ridiculous – everyone knows that the actual heart of Al Gore’s creation is within a stone’s throw of mi casa in Vienna, VA.
Silly left coast rhetoric should be cast aside
The Rays BP needs to get 9 outs before giving up 5 runs.
I doubt they do it.
Doris, lonely out there all by yourself with nobody to complain to isn’t it. Nice to see you had to eat crow and show up here!
Doreen- Some dude last year or the year before caught two in the same game!
I head out to grab dinner and the game takes a complete 180! Awesome!!
thats hawt but i got 2 foulballs last year one by tejada and onether one by millar on a monday game and one on the tuesday game
“The Rays BP needs to get 9 outs before giving up 5 runs.
I doubt they do it.”
Last I checked they had a butt-kicking pen.
ok a-rod, time to hit a meaningless HR so we can see sanchez.
Nice Alex!
An A-Bomb from A-Rod!
Is it me or is that actually a fun game to watch tonight?
“Hughes should take a few notes from Mr. Joba.”
Taking notes can’t give you 5 more MPH on your fastball.
Of course he hits one when the game is decided already. Ho Hum…
how typical how predictable
its the 3 run rule
that’s the magic 35 for the season, right?
nice
So Kay wasn’t lying when he said their pen was bad
Al & Kay getting a little voyeuristic with that kid who caught the HR.
Dr. J,
Kay just telling the story about how K-rod wants 5 years & more per year than Mo. The owner said, “I’d just feel so bad about paying a closer more money than Mariano Rivera.” I think he’s serious, too! That’s not cheap, that’s not wanting to anger the baseball gods.
Alex making history. Nice
“Nick in SF
September 17th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
My wish is for the Yanks to score 3 in this inning, see Joba again in the 9th, and save Mo for Moose’s start tomorrow night.”
So now do we see Joba again? Sanchez? Mo anyway???
Johnny “youdaman” Damon!
Jeff NJ – it’s fun!
Yeah, cheer you fracking fairweather fans, cheer.
Trisha- not afriad to eat crow. I kept my word. This teasm sucks.
Coke gives great postgame interviews
So does Ian Kennedy lol
“My wish is for the Yanks to score 3 in this inning, see Joba again in the 9th, and save Mo for Moose’s start tomorrow night.—
So you are batting .500!? (in my short term memory!)
Thanks, guys. The other issue that I have is posting the links to sites like ESPN, Baseball-Reference and other sites that have auto-links on this page. Usually, the messages never get sent. I assume it’s the filters.
Oh, and TK, you’re half right, the servers aren’t all out here and they are related to Al Gore — but I think he has them all stashed in the basement of his megawatt palace near Nashville. He’s in negotiations to buy Greenland for the carbon offsets.
Doris worry about your team not blowing another game. Or falling further into second and out of the playoffs like my team.
Why isint Humberto Sanchez in?
Peter,
Your comment is priceless. I was laughing so hard in front of my computer when A-Rod hit that homerun
Anyone else find it ironic that the Yankees are out of it yet their bullpen has been outstanding almost all year, yet the Mets bullpen is a disaster and they still have a shot? If the Mets had Mo, Joba, Coke, Marte OR Bruney, they would still be in 1st place.
Man, folks really laying it on Hughes tonight, not everyone has the makeup of Joba, not even some MLB vets.
jennifer -
Seriously? Two HRs in the same game? Wow! What a great feeling that must be! But also, how about giving someone else a chance? Nah, I know, it’s every man or woman for himself/herself.
(My husband almost crushed my niece at a game trying to catch a HR
)
Edwar time?
I also had to go to work on a project in our UK office. If you think NYC is expensive, go to London. It makes NYC look like staten island or the bronx.
wen the hell are we gonna see humberto sanchez
Why is Girardi giving this game away by bringing in this guy?
Jen, I thought Doris was a Y’s fan. My bad.
What is Girardi’s problem up 4 and you can’t let Sanchez pitch?
Edwar?!?!! I don’t see how that helps anybody. Bah.
Isnt it weird that Girardi thinks Gardner is a better CF than Melky. Thats incredible
Anyone want to bet me Edwar blows this?
jennifer- i swear on the life of my child I am not a mets fan. I see Edwar is still on the team and not selling mangoes off the BQE. Thats a shame. He is the worst relief pitcher in all of baseball. He also cries like a baby.
“wen the hell are we gonna see humberto sanchez”
Never, it seems Girardi has already made that clear.
We all know how this story ends… Edwar does his best Edwar impression.. will give up a HR, walk a guy, throw a wild pitch and here comes MO to try and save the day.
Edwar and Veras = liabilities.
“He’s in negotiations to buy Greenland for the carbon offsets.”
Funny you should bring that up – apparently with the ice melt they are trying to declare independence and drill drill drill!
(as Russia is claiming swaths of Arctic Ocean beds!)
Ok, maybe it isn’t so funny
Doreen- Yeah I can’t remember when it was, but I distinctly recall the same guy catching two in one game.
Trisha- I don’t think she is, I am almost positive.
Kill – ya still wanna bet?
I have been a yankees fan my whole life.
that shows how they think of melkky senting him to left and play gardner in CF
Nice Edwar!
“He also cries like a baby”
Ooo, you’re SO macho. Barf.
At least now Girardi has killed the entire pen and maybe Humberto gets in tomorrow.
By the way, as far as Hughes goes, the best possible thing for him is that due to his injuries and performance, his elite status is gone and the expectations with it. If he can be a bit more under the radar, I think, he has a better chance of success in the future.
Either way, Cashman’s plan is bearing fruit, the young arms are making an impact and excess ones are traded for good piece parts like Nady. Still it would have been nice to get some young postional draft picks, but you absolutely never can have too much pitching.
Oh, great. Now that there’s a 4 run lead, Ramirez pitches like Rivera.
j/k
didn’t want to be left out of the stupidity of some posters.
Doris I stand corrected than. I apologize for calling you a met fan. Please accept my apologies.
Although if McCain-Pallin get elected there is a very real chance I will request a permanent move to our office in the UK. Dead serious. She is the most loathesome, repugnant human being on this planet. Worse than Pedroia
Who has the AL lead in HR’s???
Pierzinsky (sp) is such a freak.
Guys… this is NOT the time for Humberto Sanchez.
Why have his MLB debut be in a game where we are up only 4? If he puts a couple on, he has to be pulled and MO has to come in. Why ruin it like that?
Let him make his debut when the game is a blowout and he can pitch without pressure.
Will it be 5 innings of 2 hit ball by our bullpen?
can someone identify the significance of the year 1949 (in terms of the history of the NY Yankees and the NY Stock Exchange)?
What are you guys talking about? Edwar pitches well in low-leverage situations.
Put it on the booooooaaaaaaard!
Did anyone see the Yankees start and end the season on the road, while the red sox start and end their season at home?
Trisha- with all due respect, I dont a player on the yankees who cries after a few bad outings. Plus, he could be the most manly man alive and he still would suck at baseball.
Nice!
This was a satisfying win. They hung in and got it back. Yeah.
At least Edwar looked good now Girardi doesn’t have to get questioned to death after the game.
Good win.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the whole aunt thing. I’m not sure how I’m ever going to get used to that…
Melky is good enough to be the starting CF for two seasons, good enough to not trade for Santana, then goes into a prolonged slump, gets sent down, and replaced by a 170 hitter with no ML experience.
I like Gardners speed but if he was so good why wasnt he the starter on opening day
How come Edwar gets the nod over Humberto?
I say it’s racism.
“Who has the AL lead in HR’s???”
I think it’s Quentin.
Agreed Jeff NJ -
He would be best served by being behind CC, Wang, Moose and Joba in the rotation. But that is tough to see given the innings caps on Joba and Phil’s performance issues.
“Did anyone see the Yankees start and end the season on the road, while the red sox start and end their season at home?”
Yeah I saw that, I’m not sure who made our schedule the MLB or Peter Gammons.
Doris,
Pete has respectfully requested no talk about politics.
Sweet game. And the Sux are losing.
I need a huge favor. Could anyone who gets YES tape Sunday’s pregame, game and postgame for me (pregame starts at 6:00?) I will be happy to pay you for the tape and shipping. I will be at the game, and there is no way for me to know how to set up since my games are on ExtraInnings channels and not YES, and there would be no way I could know what time the game ended to be able to switch to YES?
It would really mean a lot to me. I have no way of taping it and really want a tape of the final game.
Well, looks like the worst relief pitcher in all of baseball got the 3 outs.
Ballgame over. Yankees win!
The kid who caught the home run catches a lot of them…
True Story- I saw Gammons walking on 56th street last week. He smokes Merit cigarettes
Maybe it was Sen. Mitchell. He has had time since that scam of a report on steroids.
“Put it on the booooooaaaaaaard!”
Thanks a million Hawk!
“I think it’s Quentin.”
pat – I think since the injury shortened his season that he was cut off around 35 – I want A-Rod to get that lead!
(it is good kaballlah!
)
http://snaggingbaseballs.mlblogs.com/
Pete and Mel- apologies
Hughes will ALWAYS have pressure on him here. He is going to be known as the guy who was held onto in favor of Santana. He will have that lingering over his head everyday.
The owner has remorse over it and guys like Posada campaigned for Santana, yet Cashman talked up Hughes and now he has to perform.
I feel bad for the kid… he is never going to be left alone. I guarentee tomorrow you will have several articles highlighting the Santana trade and Kay/Francesa will harp on it too.
Yes, the thin man is back.
The Yankees win. The Yankees win!
Anyone who would rather see part of or future, Humberto Sanchez start a game rather than part of our past, Pavano, even if he only goes 2-3 innings, raise your hands!!
The Ayes have it!!
Jeff NJ –
I agree as well, I still think Phil’s best years are ahead of him, unlike some “fans” who make him sound washed up at 22!
Rebecca, the whole process will be very exciting. And you’ll be surprised how quickly you’ll adapt to being an aunt once the baby comes. It’s just an awesome experience to witness the progression. I have several nieces and nephews and it never gets old.
I guarentee tomorrow you will have several articles highlighting the Santana trade and Kay/Francesa will harp on it too.
I think everyone will be too busy being on Mets Watch 2008
Somebody is gonna kill Ozzie Guillen for letting his rookie pitcher go “one more hitter” in the seventh.
I hate the 2009 schedule. I really want to go to the Phillies Sunday game in Yankee stadium in May, though.
Watching Hughes, Kennedy and all the other young pitchers that have come through here fizzle out, it makes me all that more happy we have Joba who is legit. The only question with him is health.
Tons of two game series, I don’t understand it.
Sox are losing tonight.
“I’m still trying to wrap my head around the whole aunt thing. I’m not sure how I’m ever going to get used to that…”
The key to success of being a good Aunt is to play with them rather than take part in adult conversation during family parties, say “Your Mom and Dad won’t mind” often and have an endless supply of sugar on hand. Writing big checks as they get older always works well too.
we go to Miami and Atlanta next year, Phillies at home.
7 games in Seattle, 6 games in LA, including a trip in late September.
Neither the White Sox nor Minny will not get past the Rays/Sox/Angels. I think Ozzie kind of knows it.
With the state of his bullpen, don’t blame Ozzie one bit for trusting his guy who pitched well up to that point.
Not one bit.
“Anyone who would rather see part of or future, Humberto Sanchez start a game rather than part of our past, Pavano, even if he only goes 2-3 innings, raise your hands!!”
Can’t do it Yankee Trader, Girardi says Carl Pavano is going to lead us to the promised land!
WE’RE STILL IN IT – Joe Girardi
Pete’s next blog –
‘The Yankees have won 4 of their last 5 and are mailing it in’ !
Is this an indictment of the Yankees or of their lame opponents?
Inquiring minds want to know
Freddy Garcia looking sharp tonight… but Cashman would rather have Hughes, Kennedy, Ponson, and Rasner.
Why would anybody really care about the schedule to hate it. sorry I don’t get it
So have the Yankees mathematically been eliminated?
Err, regarding the RS, they started the season on a LONG road trip, it really wasn’t starting at home when you are in a different continent.
Freddy Garcia pitching great against Texas. Quick bring up Victor Zambrano and Eric Milton to show us they still have———-nothing!
“So have the Yankees mathematically been eliminated?”
If the Rays hold on to beat the Sox. the number is 2.
Even though we have been out of it for sometime now, I am still really into these games. I tried to tell myself I’d take it easy this September and stay away from watching with the same intensity, but I can’t help it.
What do you mean the number is 2 pat?
For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut
September 17th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
“Err, regarding the RS, they started the season on a LONG road trip, it really wasn’t starting at home when you are in a different continent.”
I was initially thinking the same thing, but I think the discussion is focusing on next year’s schedule.
pat: As Nick can tell you, a supply of sugar will not be an issue.
There’s also an interesting coincidence between the years Yankees win WS and whether there is a DEM or GOP in the White House.
TK
I just looked and it is Quentin with 36.
Would you give Nady a Torri Hunter/Aaron Rowand-type contract, if that what it took to re-sign him b/c of Boras?
Katie
Any combination of Yankee losses or Rays wins that equal 2 eliminates them.
I think it was me and someone else who pointed out Phil Coke since the beggining of the season, glad I was right.
For you thrill seekers, the movie “Mets Bullpen” is on right now.
Grrrrr, the Yankees have won many championships with both parties occupying the White House. You can look it up!
How many times do you think A-Rod has hit a home run to give the Yankees just enough runs so that it is NOT a save situation, thereby saving Mo’s arm for the night?
“Doris” wasn’t posting here?
I can’t say that I noticed.
Hey Feliciano is gonna get 3 outs.
I will say this about Hughes:
There is no way Cashman can give this guy a spot in the rotation next year.
Okay, so since the Rays won and we won, then we are safe?
So technically we still have a chance?
Hey Brandon, I saw you flip me that bird before and I had a reply: do you think anything has changed since that Susan Slusser speculation was published in the SF Chronicle back in March?
Girardi Postgame
Bullpen did a nice job….I saw in Hughes a guy who was in trouble but made pitches when he had to….I’m sure he was amped up….Alex is a big offensive force and can drive the ball out of the ballpark everywhere….Phil needs to fine tune and get more consistancy with the fastball….He used all his pitches….Robbie has been excellent, you can’t expect a player to get 3 hits every night but we know there are alot of things he can do offensively and defensively…It’s important to finish the homestand strong.
How come Edwar gets the nod over Humberto?
I say it’s racism.
it kant be racism humberto and ramirez are from the same country lol
I’m not sure Nick it depends on the offseason.
Katie: The number is 2 for the division, but we have (barely) a little more room in terms of the wild card.
The Yankees have not won any WS with a republican occupying the WH since the time of Eisenhower. Is all.
Katie: the magic number they’re talking about is for our division, not for the Wild Card; that’s a different magic number. So the Rays winning will lower the AL East magic number while we will likely gain ground on Boston and Minnesota for the Wild Card.
So I was just looking at the 09 schedule for the Yankees and I saw they play the Nationals, so I was just about to call my dad and tell him that we were going to go to that game and then it hit me….
It’s not in D.C, it’s being played in New York!
Oh well, looks like I will be going to Camden Yards instead…
Katie
The Yankees went into the game at 3 as there elimination number for the division. They won so they don’t lose a number. The Rays look like they will win so they lose 1 and still have an elimination number of 2
I liked when Girardi said “you never know what can happen” at the end. They’re still thinking that magic could happen.
Ayala storming out of that pen they just need one more, can they do it ?
Nick in SF
September 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Grrrrr, the Yankees have won many championships with both parties occupying the White House. You can look it up!
Since everyone is on a “what have you done for me lately” mode. The last 6 WS won by the Yankees were under Democrats. Under clinton we won 4 out of 5. Under this one 0.
that mets bullpen is really awfullllllllllllll does anybody noe the mets bullpen era
It is absurd how unbelievably bad the Mets BP is.
Dan Giese would probably be their closer if he was there.
Wow, now 10-3 Rays.
Ok Brandon, since you’re not sure, I’ll tell you: back in March, Kennedy was much more valuable than he is today. He looked like he might be a starting pitcher for the Yanks. Now he doesn’t. But I think you knew that already, depite the link.
I missed the post-game, so thanks for the recap, Pat.
I have to agree with Joe, even though I admit to being disappointed with Phil tonight. There’s no question he made pitches when he had to and there’s no question he was pumped up for tonight. He’s been waiting for this chance for months – is it any wonder he was so pumped up that he couldn’t control his pitches? I like that he used all his pitches, though he wasn’t successful with most of them
Ichiro just got his 200th hit. Infield single, of course.
what is the deal with the Met’s bullpen?? Can’t they get out of a 9th inning without giving up runs?
and Rasner would be their setup man.
Hughes
I thought I had good stuff…Frustrating to throw so many pitches in the Cabrera at bat….Threw too many cutters tonight and not enough curve balls….It was nice to be on the mound, a few jitters but I ewas able to focus the energy….It seems like a long time and it’s good to be back…. Pitch count was my main issue….I wasn’t falling behind, it was more that they were fouling off pitches….It seemed like they had RISP alot but it felt good to keep the guys in game….We have some new guys in the pen and they picked me up and did a fantastic job.
You know, I think I figured it out.
The big banks and insurance companies were all lending to the Mets bullpen.
That explains it.
1 more pitch
Damon:
Richard was doing some funky things with the ball….It was good to get him out of there….We need to finish out playing in the stadium on a positive.
E-Rod,
But what does he have to learn in AAA? He was dominant down there but is a liability up here. Kennedy is an AAA pitcher we know that, but Hughes is looking like that too— too good for AAA but can’t hack it in the majors.
Where did Hughes’ command go? He never had it at any juncture in his MLB career. How can a guy with such impeccable command come up here and nibble so much? And he can’t put anybody away, they were fouling off pitch after pitch.
Hughes is a mess right now, Nardi and Co. toyed with him so much. The Trenton guy is clearly gone.
Jesus what a movie that Mets BP is, it’s a bigger thrill ride than Holloween
that would be an embarrest ment to lose a game like dis how in the world those dumb mets expect to make it to the playoffs like that
The Sub-Prime Bullpen.
Yep, that explains the shambles that is the Mets bullpen.
Good job Nationals, send out a pinch hitter with a .184 average.
Mets will make the playoffs, now all that needs to be determined is if they play the Dodgers with homefield or Cubs without homefield.
“Although rarely able to get it done when it mattered most…”, should be the opening sentence on Arod’s plaque in the Hall of Fame.
“The Yankees have not won any WS with a republican occupying the WH since the time of Eisenhower. Is all.”
Buuuuzzzzz….sorry, you lose the washer and the dryer! Yankees won the 1977 World Series with Jimmy Carter in the White House.
Although, if you’re a democrat, you may want to skip that.
Mazz looks like he was holding his breath
Now that the Mets won, the focus will probably shift to Hughes.
Francessa and Kay should have some interesting thoughts. Sherman might have a good column as well.
Carter was a Democrat IIRC.
Sub-Prime Bullpen.
Oh man, wait till the News gets ahold of that one…
Mets will make the playoffs, now all that needs to be determined is if they play the Dodgers with homefield or Cubs without homefield.
They have no off days, they struggled vs a bad Nats offense, ATL, FLA, CHI these are teams they have to face the last remaining games. Another words they might tire out thier BP and SP this week. Johan Santana tomorrow has to go 8 innings to have a chance to win.
Woops!!
“The Yankees have not won any WS with a republican occupying the WH since the time of Eisenhower. Is all.â€
Buuuuzzzzz….sorry, you lose the washer and the dryer! Yankees won the 1977 World Series with Jimmy Carter in the White House.
Although, if you’re a democrat, you may want to skip that.
I messed that one up bigtime!!
Can I get a mulligan?
You realize Jimmy Carter is a Democrat, right?
Bruney has been lights out. He has lost weight, looks motivated, and seems like a great clubhouse guy. He is throwing strikes and dominating.
Our pen is going to be a force next year.
Why arnet the Mets trying out Al Reyes or Eddie Kunz?
A-Rod
It just felt good to put the ball in play…I set high standards for myself and 11 years in a row I’ve been able to stay healthy and have play woth some great teammates to play with…We have a lot of work to do but we have alot of young guys who are showing us some great things….I stink and mechanically I’ve been having problems in my swing. I’m coming in early and working on it……..I know the score here, when I stink I get booed, when I do well they cheer and that’s all right.
How in the world did Hughes become the #1 prospect in baseball with a low 90s fastball, a curveball and no changeup? The guy throws maybe a tick or 2 higher than Kennedy.
Must have been a weak class.
A-Rod
It just felt good to be at the plate when the game wasn’t on the line… I set high standards for my stats and 11 years in a row I’ve been able to stay healthy and hit a lot of home runs without having to work much in October… notice my teammates are also setting records, you know the one I mean… I still have a lot of work to do but there’s a lot less pressure once we get a lead… I know the score here, everyone loves that other guy, when he grounds into a double play, that’s all right
(just kidding — but it’s too easy)
“You realize Jimmy Carter is a Democrat, right?”
I was distracted, a big fly landed on my monitor!
Come on, coach, give me another chance!
Tonight showed why we should not trade Cano, he can be a star. An explosive bat at a premium position.
I would trade Hughes in a heartbeat before I trade Cano.
Does anyone know the origins of this so-called partisan curse? Is it because New York went for Kennedy over Nixon? Is it because Big Stein gave Nixon illegal campaign contributions? Is it because we happened to have crappy and/or underachieving teams while Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Bush were in the White House?
Its all Carter’s fault. Jimmy couldn’t do anything right.
I meant NY went for Nixon over Kennedy. My dog was in the way when I was trying to type.
“Does anyone know the origins of this so-called partisan curse? ”
People always believe the big lie – QED.
9 of 27 as I count it under the elephant, not the jack-ass.
I don’t think I will be listening to Francesa or Kay and I sure won’t be reading Joel Sherman. Their takes on Phil Hughes will be muss-miss
check that – 9 of 26. I was counting next year
Yes, TK, and as I illustrated once before when debunking this silly superstition, those numbers are skewed by the precedent-breaking 3+ terms of FDR which led to 1+ terms for HST. Which led to the 22nd Amendment, which further skews the results.
I say vote for the candidate of your choice without fear of pinstriped repercussions.
OT: Did anybody hear the R.Kelly interview ?
ooooooooh, Twins lose again.
ESPN doing a whole day special on Sunday beginning at 1pm on Yankee Stadium. They also plan on having Yankee special guests in the booth throughout the game.
“I say vote for the candidate of your choice without fear of pinstriped repercussions.”
Agreed – vote for the candidate of my choice so we can even things up!
He invented the blackberry after all! — thus ends my proselytizing.
“My dog was in the way when I was trying to type.”
What a coincidence! My dog took a big dump on my keyboard…while I was typing!
Pepi I hope that was a lie.
Andrea
that’s the stat i want, too!
TK, I can honestly say that I don’t know what your politics are, which I consider a good thing for a Yankee blog buddy. Your latest comment does provide an oblique clue. Which is not the same thing as an injury to an oblique muscle.
Perhaps extrememly astute long-term readers could guess mine too; I do like my new blackberry. CC to the Bronx is the change that I’m waiting for…
Saw the Clash at a small DC club in 1981, if memory serves. Bo Diddley was the opening act. I stood next to the stage, in front of one of their huge amps. My left eardrum has never been the same (I kid you not).
Nick -
Despite my Terp compadres who were yelling ‘hippie!’ at the brave Cal Bear fans in College Park this past weekend, I understand that there are exceptions to the stereotype.
Glad to hear that your oblique is intact!
CC is the only lefty in my future plans.
Alas Poor Yorick (
) – at least it was a great show I trust!
Understood, TK. Now that I know that you’re simpatico… well, best to leave it off the blog, or at least speak in code. Funny, but Cal football fans are the most likely to be anti-tree, or at least trees blocking our stadium’s renovation. And definitely anti-Tree in Palo Alto.
Yorick: cool show to have seen. There was a pretty good documentary on the Clash that came out in 2003 (I think), it’s recommended to all interested in that great band.