Game 154: Orioles at Yankees
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- September
- 19
YANKEES (82-71)
Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A. Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Cano 2B
I. Rodriguez C
Gardner CF
Pavano RHP
ORIOLES (67-84)
Roberts 2B
Markakis RF
Mora 3B
Huff 1B
Scott LF
Jones CF
Hernandez C
Montanez DH
Castro SS
Liz RHP
Carl Pavano (3-1, 5.26) vs. the Baltimore hitters.
Radhames Liz (6-5, 6.90) against the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees have won two straight and five of their last six. … The Yankees are 8-7 against the Orioles this season. … Baltimore has lost two straight. … The Yankees are 5-2 on the homestand with three games to go.
DOUBLE YOUR PLEASURE: Baltimore’s Aubrey Huff, Nick Markakis and Brian Roberts are on pace to hit at least 50 doubles this season, which would make them the first three teammates to accomplish that feat in the same season. Roberts is the closest, with 49 doubles. Huff has 48, and Markakis is at 47. They are ranked second, third and fourth in the majors in doubles, trailing only Boston Red Sox second baseman Dustin Pedroia, who has a league-leading 50.
The Yankees leader in case you were wondering is Bobby Abreu with 38.
GOING OUT IN STYLE: Derek Jeter is 34 of his last 75 at the Stadium.
WHO GETS THE LAST ONE: The Yankees have hit 11 homers on the homestand.
DARRELL DISAPPEARS: Darrell Rasner has thrown one inning since his last start on Sept. 4.
LIKE RIDING A BIKE: Joba Chamberlain since he returned: 6 games, 6 innings, 7 hits, 1 run, 1 walk, 7 strikeouts. Off the top of my head, I remember three of the hits being broken-bat cheapies.
HELD FOR RANSOM: The legend of Cody Ransom is not having a good ending. After a 6 for 8 start, he is 2 for 16.
Check back later for updates.
UPDATE, 4:41 p.m.: Here is Joe Girardi’s pregame press conference. He talks about Brett Gardner and what will be going on this Sunday:
UPDATE, 6:25 p.m.: Talked to Mike Mussina this afternoon. He wants to purchase the flag pole from Yankee Stadium and install it at his home in Pennsylvania. “I know it’s going to cost me,” he said. “But that’s what I want.”
Mussina even has planned out how he will get it home. The idea, he said, would be disassemble the pole, have it hauled to Pennsylvania on a truck then welded back together.
Moose even wants a flag from this weekend to run up the pole every morning.
You have to give the man credit, it’s a lot more original than a couple of seats.
UPDATE, 6:49 p.m.: Kudos to Johnny Damon. His wife gave birth yesterday and he came right back to play. A lot of players in this situation would have taken an extra day and nobody would have said a word.
People who give Damon a hard time are clueless. He has given this team everything he has.
UPDATE, 7:45 p.m.: It’s very strange covering these games, I have to tell you. The actual game is largely insignificant, especially with somebody like the Idle on the mound. I’m most curious to see how a guy like Brett Gardner does to try and evaluate him for the future.
Lots of empty seats here, too. People are waiting for Sunday I guess.
UPDATE, 8:15 p.m.: Look at that gritty, gutty, scrappy Bret Gardner make a great catch. You have to love it.
I have no idea whether he can hit at this level. The adjustments he has made lately have helped. But if he can play to a .330-.340 OPB, the Yankees should play him every day next season. He would save a lot of runs.
UPDATE, 8:20 p.m.: Inspired by Gardner, Bobby Abreu just came within 10 feet of the wall in right and made a catch. … TV likely didn’t show this, but the Idle and Jeter waited for Gardner on the field near the dugout and congratulated him on making his catch.
UPDATE, 9:10 p.m.: Phil Coke, the greatest Yankee ever, is confirmed for Sunday’s ceremony. He’ll be out there with Whitey, Guidry and the rest of the great pitchers.
Brian Bruney, meanwhile, has been a terror for about a month now. Two hits in his last 15.1 innings and 13 K’s.
UPDATE, 9:24 p.m.: Joba time in the 8th.
UPDATE, 9:26 p.m.: Like a good American, I stand up for God Bless America. But I usually look down to see what jerseys people have on.
This one guy had on a No. 19 Keyshawn Johnson Jets jersey. Somebody else had a Kei Igawa blue t-shirt. If that is what you have to wear, you need to stay home.
UPDATE, 9:43 p.m.: As the final games grows closer, hundreds of people are snapping photos of certain players. Based on the flashbulbs, Jeter is the most popular subject followed by Mo, Joba, The Big G and then the field. There is very little camera love for A-Rod.
UPDATE, 9:46 p.m.: Jobamania, by the way, is popping the heater at 96 again. We haven’t seen the 99s yet but he’s building arm strength.
UPDATE, 10:05 p.m.: I’m sure it’ll be good across the street. But I’m going to miss seeing Mo jog in from left field here. It’s always a cool moment.
UPDATE, 10:08 p.m.: Was that the final jump throw from Jeter at the Stadium? The crowd started chanting his name. Meanwhile Mo is 94, 95 and locating.
UPDATE, 10:16 p.m.: It wasn’t easy but that’s 37 saves for Mo and somehow the Idle is 4-1. What a strange season. The Yankees gave won three straight and six of seven.
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come on yankees let win these last 3games at home
SWEEP!
go Yankees!
LETS GO YANKS!! WIN ONE FOR THE TINTY!!!!
Friggin’ Cody Ransom.
Another 7 era guy YIKES! 7inning 5 hits 1 run
Listening to Andy on the FAN now is so sad. You can tell he is miserable and mad at himself for his performance this year.
I hope we bring him back.
Damn I wanted to see Miranda at 1B vs Liz.
Pete, don’t worry . . . We will see plenty of Rasner on Sunday evening when Andy is gone after 2 innings and 6 runs.
It’s kinda symbolic that the last game is goning to be played on the last day of summer.
I can’t believe we’re down to 3 games in the stadium.
Can anyone edge out Boston? Minny’s not much closer than we are. They’re 7 back, we’re 8 back in the loss column but tied with Toronto, who host the Sox.
Just win.
The team just needs some more vets
SJ: you are correct, the opening day roster was in no way inferior, and truth be told there was always enough firepower to have done better than they did. Still, the number of starts that ended up going to Ponson and Rasner alone… very sad.
“Listening to Andy on the FAN now is so sad. You can tell he is miserable and mad at himself for his performance this year.
I hope we bring him back.”
I agree … it is so hard NOT to root for someone like Andy … you can tell it is killing him inside that he struggled in the 2nd half. The hold overs from the last Dynasty years are so special to me … just for that reason alone i hope Andy comes back
Could we also be mathematically eliminated by game-time that day if the Sox win in the afternoon?
Wouldn’t that just be fitting?
Is that record vs. the Orioles right? Even after we swept them we are still only 7-8?
Nick,
No question. That’s why, at least to me, I don’t deal any pitching in the off-season. You buy what you need in the free agent market this off-season.
That way, you keep pitching depth throughout the organization so you don’t have to reach back and bring in the Ponson and Rasner types again.
Nothing personal against those guys, who obviously tried their best. But, you have to have better depth than that if you are the Yankees.
By keeping and continuing to develop young pitching, you won’t have to search the waiver wire to find replacements when guys get hurt.
Go Yanks!
Having a hard time believing they are granting field access to ticket holders before Sunday night’s game.
I envision mostly professional behavior, but what’s stopping some punk from gouging out a section of outfield turf, or worse?
I’ll believe it when I see it – Sunday at 1pm!!!
Pete,
I actually think WE are up 8-7 on Baltimore, not the other way around. Can you confirm?
Last Yankee to HR at the original Stadium (1923-1973) was Duke Sims.
Last Yankee to hit a grand slam at the original Stadium was Fred Stanley.
Chad Moller will hit the final HR in YS.
I find it very hard to believe that Jeter, A Rod and Cano will repeat the same type of season next year.
Kevin Long has worked with Cano to close his stance. He’s hitting the ball with much more authority now. My only question is why did they wait till the end of September?
ARod’s divorce has had to have an effect on him this year. How could it not? I’ll predict that 2009 is a lot closer to 2007 than this year for A Rod.
If the Yanks could somehow pry Texeira away from the Angels and sign CC,they will be contenders next year. The Yanks could hold on and develop their pitchers. It would be nice if Phil Hughes had one more season in AAA rather then being force fed into the rotation.
I dont want to harp on the record vs. the O’s but i can’t live with the possibility that Baltimore has a winning record vs. the Yanks so here you go.
4-18 Yankees Lost
4-19 Yankees Lost
4-20 Yankees won (1)
5-20 Yankees Lost
5-21 Yankees won (2)
5-22 yankees won (3)
5-26 yankees lost
5-27 Yankees Lost
5-28 yankees won (4)
7-28 Yankees Lost
7-29 Yankees Lost
7-30 yankees won (5)
8-22 yankees won (6)
8-23 yankees won (7)
8-24 yankees won (8)
“You buy what you need in the free agent market this off-season.”
SJ, you really think the Yankees are going to give Sabathia (who doesn’t want to play here anyway) a long term huge money contract ($200 mill for 10 years)? Even a Burnett or a Sheets are going to demand long term, no trade, big money contracts, don’t you think the Yankees have gone to that well too often?
I don’t see it.
Can we either provide a link to where Sabathia (CC himself, not friends of CC or family of CC or elementary school teachers of CC) said he didn’t want to play here, or stop throwing it around as fact?
I would trade minor league pitching in a heartbeat to bring us help in the field and at the plate.
There’s more FA talent available on the mound than at the plate, especially if rumors are true and Tex isn’t destined to be a Yankee.
We are going to need to replace Giambi and maybe Abreu, we don’t have a CF and Cano and Posada have question marks.
Among other things, the lack of a decent bench really hurt us this year.
I’d wager a large amount of money that the Yankees are not going to sign Ben Sheets.
If you get neither AJ nor CC then you have:
Wang
Joba
Moose
Pettitte
Hughes/Aceves/possibly Coke
Not half bad. Washburns or Livans or other middling pitchers aren’t going to help.
Pep—- Quit making crap up will you?
CC Sabathia has NEVER said he doesn’t want to play in New York. If the richest team in baseball is not going to pursue the best FA pitcher who is in his prime then what are they going to do? Everything you post is defeatist and negative.
What’s your strategy for improving this team? A seance? Ouija Board? You gonna boycott FA forever? If so get used to missing the post-season.
Then again, that might just fit in with your depressing mindset.
Pepitone,
I think they will investigate how badly CC wants to play here. All indications through the media are that he has no interest in playing here. They won’t bid $160-$175 million for 8 years for a guy who doesn’t want to be here. Remember, the biggest obsticle for players coming here is mental. If CC’s head really isin’t in it, it will show and he won’t be successful. Maybe he doesn’t want to have all this pressure on him and all the rules we have here (no facial hair, no candy etc.) and would rather go to a laid back environment. And it’s not like we even give him the best chance to win anymore. Many teams can match that claim now.
I also think they will stay far away from Sheets/Burnett. These are the types of FA signings that got us in trouble to begin with. I doubt they will make a panic move and sign these guys to compensate for the loss of CC. Cashman wants to stay away from giving these over 30 pitchers who are injury prone long term deals.
It really isn’t as cut and dry as people want it to be. A lot will depend on CC. I do believe the Ynakees want him, but how much does he want us? Whatis our backup plan if he doesn’t come here? How much would be willing to give him? Alot of variables will go into these decisions.
Yanks are letting fans walk across the field from monument park into the stands several hours before the last game at the stadium.
Hopefully the field doesn’t come out looking like Comiskey Park’s did after Disco Demolition night all those years ago.
I predict that CC will NOT get a 10-year contract. So that much is correct. I’m so upset about Pepitone’s prediction, though, that I’m going to drive up to Lake Tahoe RIGHT NOW, so I’ll miss the game and all the accompanying fun. Go Yanks!
Give Sabathia the same tour of Jersey that the Jets gave Brett Favre, where he can hunt, fish, and live in a secluded, quaint area.
That will change his mind.
Ansky,
I think they’re restricted to the warning track, it’ll probably be cordoned off. I would steal me a patch of grass and plant it at home. In the living room or on an old car. Have a “green car”.
I have always found it ironic how people trust the reports that “friends” of CC claim he wants to go out west. Meanwile most of these people bash Pete, Sweeny, et al for ridiculous reasons.
“The Yankees have won two straight and five of their last six”
Didn’t someone accuse this team of ‘mailing it in’ for their high school football coach manager?!
Seems like that was wrong.
My guess is CC goes to the high bidder. That’s the way the world works. Given the question marks around Sheets, I hope the Yanks are the high bidder.
If not, I guess we’ll have to like chasing Toronto.
I have really seen it all now. Next thing you know there will be shaman who say we need to make sure we chase away the evil spirits in the new place
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/09/19/2008-09-19_feng_shui_experts_optimistic_new_yankee_.html
Watch out for the Cubs or White Sox. CC listed Chicago as his favorite road city to play in. Those teams can both afford him and if they disappoint in the playoffs, they could break the bank for him.
And like Heyman said, watch out for Anahiem. If they let KRod, Garland, Anderson, and Tex go, they might use that money and allot towards CC then trade some of their pitching inventory for offense. Moreno is growing money on trees, he can afford it and the Angels always make off-the-wall moves
Basically what it comes down to is that we need to blow everyone out of the water with our offer. Because if it’s close, CC will probably take the discount. Make the decision hard for CC—- give him a monster offer that no team comes reasonably close to.
Tom,
On the flip side, some of us are cheering for a CC acquisition only because he’s the best FA. Don’t want the bloated contract. Don’t want the tired arm like he had to start ‘08. We’re also smart enough to know he won’t be pitching to a sub 2.0 ERA in the AL, especially in the AL East.
But it is what it is. And we have to just hope for the best.
for all those not going to Sunday’s game here is a listing care of biz of baseball on all the coverage on all the ESPN and MLB areas
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2478:turn-out-the-lights-yanklee-stadium-final-game-coverage-by-espn-a-mlbcom-to-cover-&catid=57:television&Itemid=122
OMG I am going to run out of room on my dvr. I need to learn how to burn this onto a dvd.
What could a package of Rasner, Britton, Duncan, Christian, and Betemit get us?
We need to clear some room on the 40 man and make a 5-1 trade like that.
Mel, Very true. CC’s the best out there and I know he wouldn’t pitch to a sub 2 era in the AL East and may be due for a stint on the DL. unfortunately, the Yankees have put themselves in a situation where signing cc to a bloated contract may be their only recourse, unless, they think Joba can hold up and be the ace.
Thanks Mel, It’s nice to see a rational answer from somebody.
Just think, before 1962 this would have been the last game of the season.
“I’m so upset about Pepitone’s prediction”
Uh, what, pray tell, is that prediction, Nick?
I know as much about Sanathia’s plans than anyone else here, i.e., what I hear on radio, newspaper, and blogs. And they all say he doesn’t want to come to New York. So, either he’s lying, or his friends are lying, or the media is lying…who knows?
I don’t honestly know what the guy wants, and I don’t care. I care about the Yankees not blowing the bank for another go around at an overblown free-agent signing. One other thing, he’s doing pretty well in the NL, you think he wants to come back to the AL and pitch to the DH rather than the pitcher? I think not.
I also don’t care if he does come here, it won’t guarantee anything. The Yankee brass still has to do their homework, which is something they haven’t done too much of lately (e.g. their draft choices this year). Finding good players no one else is aware of takes hard work. The Scott Brosius’s of the league are out there, but you have to know what you’re looking for to get them.
Free agent signings are the easy fix, but rarely pan out.
1961.
Why are people debating whether Sabathia wants to plays in NY?
He will play for whatever team gives in the best deal, period. With what he’s going to get paid, he can find a nice place to live in NYC, trust me. And if he wants to go to California, he can hop in his private plane.
Speculating on free agents based on geography is a waste of time. If all things are equal, he likely would want to stay in California. But all things are rarely equal.
Jesus…Still complaining about a draft pick and an international FA that backed out on verbal committments to sign? Who foresees that sort of thing? Nobody except for the ones on this board who think they are Ms Cleo.
GB, your right, as you usually are in matters concerning basball history. Thanks
Pep, I don’t know if the Yanks can get CC and I don’t know how much they’ll need to overpay for him if they do get him, but I’m pretty sure we’ll be an also ran next year if we don’t.
We only have two offensive positions which have no question marks attached to them, we are getting older and the Yanks haven’t had a great track record finding those offensive diamonds in the rough. Morgan Ensberg, anyone?
CC is the best FA pitcher there is. Let’s start there.
Tom, I didn’t intend for that to be short and snappy. I was was going to be my longwinded know-it-all self and explain it all, but, hit the wrong buton.
“He will play for whatever team gives in the best deal, period.”
Translation: He will play for whoever is willing to pay the kind of money he demands, i.e., whatever amount some chump is willing to pay.
and the wrong button, too
Exactly Pete
I would love to see Sabathia walk away from $50 million and a couple of extra years just to pitch on the West Coast. Not happening.
He will go for the money, so thats why we need to have the highest offer, by a considerable margin.
I see the Village Idiots from Tampa moving quickly on CC. Say within the first month of free agency. Lock him down fast and see what else you can do with the $$ left over in the FA kitty.
Any other opinions?
Pepitone,
Why are you so sure that CC will not be worth it?
Last year at this time all of the talking heads talked about it being a foregone conclusion that Arod was leaving the Yankees for the Cubs, Dodgers, or Angels. The the cold reality of $300M hit the ownership of those teams.
So, all of the CC talk and where he wants to go means nothing until the basic parameters of the market are set. Then, many teams who would like to have him will be out, and what he wants will have to meet with who is offering what.
raymagnetic
September 19th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Pepitone,
Why are you so sure that CC will not be worth it?
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CC told Pepitone that even if he took the biggest money, his heart wouldn’t be in it, so he asked for Pepitone’s advice.
Wave Your Hat –
Very well said. I’m with you with everything except this, “I’m pretty sure we’ll be an also ran next year if we don’t.”
Signing Sabathia is no guarantee we will not be also rans next season. They have a lot of holes to fill that will take time, smart planning, hard work, and firm direction. The past 4 to 6 years has seen them go for the easy fix, the “all-star at every position” rubbish. This is going to take time, and no free agent is going to be THE answer.
Mark in Tampa, if the Yanks made the playoffs this year, maybe that would be their play in FA. But they ain’t waiting for no one this winter. It’s hard ball time and they are spending the new found money that shiny new stadium is putting in the bank account. It’s no holds barred.
“CC told Pepitone that even if he took the biggest money, his heart wouldn’t be in it, so he asked for Pepitone’s advice.”
And what are you? His mom?
When was the last time the Yankees were out-bid by anybody on the open market?
Most players choose money over happiness.
Or money=happiness
Pep, I agree with your last post 100%. But I didn’t say CC would get us to the post-season, just that I don’t think we can get there without him.
Kevin Millar will hit the last home run. He’s raked against the Yankees this year. Plus, it just seems like we’re due for one more kick in the groin this year, and that would do it.
The only way A-Rod hits the last one – and you can bet he will be trying his hardest to do so on Sunday – is if he hits it on Saturday.
Does anyone know the date when they’r actually planning to, um, put the old Stdium to rest?
Anyone hear Harper on SNY?
He said we deserve to miss the playoffs and have the stadium go out like this as karma for what we did to Torre.
Pepitone
September 19th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
“CC told Pepitone that even if he took the biggest money, his heart wouldn’t be in it, so he asked for Pepitone’s advice.â€
And what are you? His mom?
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Not hardly, but, I and most people on this board don’t spout off opinions as facts, either.
Doreen-I guess they will start that process in March of next year?
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/see-ya-demolishing-yankee-stadium-carefully/
West Coast Fan,
Just b/c the Yanks might want to move hard and fast, doesn’t mean that CC’s agent will jump at the first good offer. Not sure who his agent is, but many of them will string the market along with their top guys, and only move fast with the players that they know are not in big demand.
“But I didn’t say CC would get us to the post-season, just that I don’t think we can get there without him.”
Fair enough.
Doreen
September 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Does anyone know the date when they’r actually planning to, um, put the old Stdium to rest?
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Doreen, I haven’t seen any takedown dates, but, certainly wouldn’t be before everything is up and running with the new infrastructure. It would be a Hell of a thing to tear it down, onlt to find out that the new park has plumbing, electrical and foundation issues.
“Not hardly, but, I and most people on this board don’t spout off opinions as facts, either.”
And what “facts” do you possess about the subject? Are you one of his confidants, one of his buddies?
You have no more authority on this than anyone else.
By the way, what are you, my shadow? You enjoy smelling my ass? Go bother somebody else,
An overlooked factor this offseason may be the Cashman situation. I hope it gets resolved quickly. The longer it takes to have Cashman decide his fate, the less time the Yankees will have to decide what roster moves to make.
okay my other post disappeared.
Doreen-I believe they will start that process in March:
This is from the NY Times on Sept 5th:
New York City is looking for demolition companies that think they can tear down Yankee Stadium without damaging any of the seats or other pieces that might be sold to collectors.
The razing of the famous ballpark is scheduled to start in March and last as long as a year, according to a solicitation form issued by the city’s Economic Development Corporation. The first stage of the demolition will involve salvaging all of the stadium seating as well as some large features like the white frieze that adorns the wall behind the bleachers and the 120-foot-tall bat-shaped boiler stack outside the main entrance.
From the other thread, COL –
The product on the field was inferior with 2 rookies in the rotation on innings limits, Mussina coming off a 5 ERA campaign and looking done, and Pettitte coming off a tumultuous winter with the steroid drama. We had one reliable starter going into the year, no veteran backups. We could have had Santana, but we decided to pass—- a clear indication that this was a transition year and we were ok with no playoffs as long as we were better in 09 and beyond (though if we don’t get CC this year, then we will be even worse next year so that theory is debunked).
We also had NO bullpen at all going into the year. Give Girardi all the credit in the world for squeezing what he did out of Farnsworth, Bruney, Veras, Giese, Ramirez etc. otherwise it would have been much worse.
However, we overcame that. We squeezed more out of the likes of Ponson and Rasner than we could have ever expected. Joba blossomed into a star before he was injured. Mussina had one of the best years of his career. So in the end, you could say it all balanced out.
If this team scored runs at the same pace we did last year, we would at least be playing for something now, instead of meandering through meaningless games like we have been for the past month. The star-studded lineup is the biggest culprit. They just got old, fast.
Pepitone
September 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
“Not hardly, but, I and most people on this board don’t spout off opinions as facts, either.â€
And what “facts†do you possess about the subject? Are you one of his confidants, one of his buddies?
You have no more authority on this than anyone else.
By the way, what are you, my shadow? You enjoy smelling my ass? Go bother somebody else,
LMAO at you. I’m not the one to make any claims about knowing what Sabathia or anyone else was going to do. I made no claims or predictions at all.
GB7 –
Could you imagine if they had to play at Shea or Citifield because it wasn’t ready and the old park was gone????? That would be tragicomedy at its best.
Seriously, of course, you’re right. How could they set that date until the new place is completely ready-to-go.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. If these players had healthy typical seasons do you think the yankees would have made the playoffs?
Wang
Joba
Posada
Jeter
Cano
Matsui
the santana trade should have been made, but what’s done is done
we must sign sabathia to rectify that now
S.A. –
Thank you for that information. So, it’s really going to be a long process.
Wow – there’s lots of money going to be made selling off the pieces.
Mark in Tampa, I can see that possibly happening, but I think the owners will go balls out to nail him. Sort of like “an offer he can’t refuse” type of thing. I don’t think they have a choice. New stadium with very high ticket prices, coming off a year they didn’t make the playoffs, the fans are pissed (as you know from the posts here). The Yanks nned to dominate next year, and that starts with pitching (Wang, CC, Joba).
Doreen
September 19th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
GB7 –
Could you imagine if they had to play at Shea or Citifield because it wasn’t ready and the old park was gone????? That would be tragicomedy at its best.
Seriously, of course, you’re right. How could they set that date until the new place is completely ready-to-go.
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A year or two at Shea would seriously do harm to my mental health. That place got Bobby Murcer traded.
Why has Girardi given nick names to everyone?
Aceves – Fredo
Rasner – Raz
Edwar – Eddy
Marte – Damo
Ponson – Siddy
Matsui – Matty
Coke/Hughes – Philly
Robertson – Robs
Giese – Danny
Giambi – G
Gardner – Gardy
etc.
Doreen
September 19th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
S.A. –
Thank you for that information. So, it’s really going to be a long process.
Wow – there’s lots of money going to be made selling off the pieces.
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Can you imagine the going price of all of the left over jelly do-nuts from the writers cellblock?
Who am I kidding? There’s no such thing as left over jelly do-nuts where cops and writers hang out.
“I’m not the one to make any claims about knowing what Sabathia or anyone else was going to do. I made no claims or predictions at all.”
Why don’t you learn how to read, before you make a total jackass out of yourself. This is what I said,
“I know as much about Sanathia’s plans than anyone else here, i.e., what I hear on radio, newspaper, and blogs. And they all say he doesn’t want to come to New York. So, either he’s lying, or his friends are lying, or the media is lying…who knows?”
Show me a prediction there? I never made a “prediction,” I said, from what the scuttlebutt says, he didn’t want to play in New York. I could care less if he comes here, you’re the one who’s making the predictions that if he comes we’ll be contenders again.
If the Yankees want to blow their money on another high priced free agent, fine. I disagreed with that strategy, and I gave my reasons above. But, hey, it ain’t my money.
TurnTables or should I call you T.T., does it upset you that the manager has nicknames for the players?
You know – I guess maybe I didn’t read things right all of last off season, but I could have sworn that the Yankees actually capitulated to the Twins and put their prize piece (Hughes) on the trade table. They kept him there long enough for the Twins to have said – Done! But, the Twins got greedy and the Twins didn’t do the Santana deal with the Yankees, not the other way around.
Now, it would have been really nice had the Yankees gotten Santana. My feeling at the time was, I didn’t want Hughes to go, but sometimes you have to sacrifice for the immediate good. I was comfortable that the Yankees took the deal off the table, because I felt at the time the Twins were really being difficult to deal with. I think it is telling that the Red Sox didn’t do a deal, either, but because they are winning, no one cares. The Twins took an inferior (on paper, at least) deal from the Mets. Stop blaming the Yankees for not making the Santana deal. It was not meant to be. It is done, over, forget it. Move on.
“Listening to Andy on the FAN now is so sad. You can tell he is miserable and mad at himself for his performance this year.
I hope we bring him back.”
This is truly touching. Let’s just hope the Yankees make their decision with a bit more objectivity and far less sentimentality.
“Now, it would have been really nice had the Yankees gotten Santana. My feeling at the time was, I didn’t want Hughes to go, but sometimes you have to sacrifice for the immediate good. I was comfortable that the Yankees took the deal off the table, because I felt at the time the Twins were really being difficult to deal with. I think it is telling that the Red Sox didn’t do a deal, either, but because they are winning, no one cares. The Twins took an inferior (on paper, at least) deal from the Mets. Stop blaming the Yankees for not making the Santana deal. It was not meant to be. It is done, over, forget it. Move on.”
Doreen, from all the posts I’ve read on this subject, yours is the best. Bravo!
GB7 –
The Yankees never looked like the Yankees playing at Shea. It was jarring to the psyche.
We were having a house built when I was pregnant with my second daughter, and in spite of all the builders’ promises that the house would be ready long before my due date, what a surprise, it was not. At the time I was very, very cognizant of being fair to both sides of the family – I mean, how could I deny either side the absolute pleasure of having me, my husband and our almost 2 year old daughter living with them?????? But, anyway, we lived a month with my in-laws and almost 2 months with my parents while we waited for our house to be finished.
When we moved away a few years ago, and then back again to New Jersey, again, we were waiting for a house to be ready, and we chose to live in a neutral, furnished apartment.
Moral of the story – You CANNOT live in someone else’s house. Doesn’t work.
Pete’s love of Torre is nothing compared to the likes of Francessa, Sherman, Harper etc. It is sickening to listen to/read those guys. At least Pete does it just to tweak us.
Thanks, Pepitone. It just gets tiring reading the same old stuff, with the same inaccurate accounting.
If signing a high profile pitcher to a long, fat contract is the cure all, then why don’t the Mets have the Angels’ record?
Everyone is talking about CC like he is the messiah. Yes, he’s great. But one great pithcer didn’t help Cleveland and doesn’t seem to be helping the Brewers.
Hopefully the decision makers are looking at the whole picture. A lot more needs to be done then signing one man.
[bracing for the barrage]
It is not uncommon for coaches to call players by nicknames in most sports. I played bball baseball and football in HS and football in college. Coaches were always using nicknames as far as i recall
Doreen, you’re right. When Smith kept shopping the deals around one, maybe twice was one thing, but for almost a week. He was trying to get NYY and Boston to outbid each other, and, when they refused to do that, he got stuck the a far less deal than the ones he turned down. It’s was a lot like the attempts to deal Schilling when ‘Zona dealt Schilling for a lesser deal out of spite. Littlefield of Pittsburgh was like that. A real punk type. Nobody would deal with him and that’s what will happen with Smith in Minnesota. It was good to see him taking a bath on the Garza/Young deal. Young has been nothing what they thought they were getting. No power, little run production and less than inspiring defense.
I hate “Matty”. Torre started that one. It’s a girl’s name.
Because the Mets have 27 blown saves, 11 of them in the 9th inning.
If the Mets had converted even half of them, they win the division and get homefield going away and be well on their way to 100+ wins.
Make no mistake, Santana has helped the Mets tremendously and could have done the same for us. If the Mets had anything close to even an average bullpen, Santana wins 20 and the Mets are cruising to October.
CK. The mets and the brewers don’t have a bullpen. I think I heard on Mike and Mike this morning that the Brewers have lost 12 games they were leading in the 9th, while the Mets lost at least 8.
Santana and CC are the reason the Mets and the Brewers are in the playoff picture this late in the season.
K. Following the Ryder Cup via Sobel’s blog @ espn.com.
The US has been behind the whole day, but you’ve got to read about Boo Weekley pumping up the crowd and getting icy looks from Westwood.
I think we’re going to pull off some of the afternoon matches, but expect to hear a LOT of Ugly American comments by the Euro players and press.
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Pete,
Thanks for the audio. Sunday’s pre-game’s going to be brutal.
I am much more comfortable with Garland and Derek Lowe than I am Sheets or even Burnett.
You know what you get with the first 2—- innings, guys who have won rings and pitched in big games, and guys who compete and can give you a chance to win. Also their contract demands will be far less than the other guys.
CC is a must, but after that I would take a look at Lowe/Garland as the secondary piece.
“I hate “Mattyâ€. Torre started that one. It’s a girl’s name.”
Mel –
I didn’t know that was the nickname for Matsui, too funny. I wonder how Matsui likes it?
Don’t all baseball players give each other these cute little pet kiddie names? Coney (for David Cone), Gibbie (for Bob Gibson), Curtie (for Chad Curtis), and wasn’t Paul O’Neil called “Onie”?
Where did that tradition come from? Maybe Pete ought to write a story about it. I would be interested in knowing.
E-Rod,
Good post. People underestimate how much of an impact Santana has made, both in the clubhouse and on the mound for the Mutts. He hasn’t lost a game since June, and a decent bullpen gives him 20 wins easily and the CY Young.
He is the reason that the club remains confident because when they need a big game, he pitches it. He is a stopper. The team rallies around him. I watched bits and pieces of the Mets postgame yesterday and you can tell how much Santana means to the players.
Doreen, I’ve never had that problem. I always had the government telling me where to live, but, what you described is correct. ‘74-’75 was the second time that the Yanks had to share a ball park. The Yanks shared the Polo Grounds in the 20’s before Babe Ruth came to town. The Yanks outdrew the Giants and they and McGraw was so jealous that they refused to renew the rental lease. That was the reason Yankee Stadium was built. Ruppert wanted a palace to rub in their faces. He had it built in the Bronx so when the Giants owner looked out his window, that was the first thing he saw…Yankee Stadium. The Polo Grounds were nearly 40 years old at that time.
This Sunday is going to be very special. I only wish it could end on a much better note.
SJ44 :
what happens if we don’t sign sabathia? there is not much else out there.50-85 percent of the yankees young pitchers will not make it or be good enough,maybe more and you suggest we keep them all?
that would be the worst mistake the yankees can make.
if they can use cano with another prospect or two to get a volquez,billingsley,sherzer type pitcher to replace hughes then they should trade hughes for a center fielder and or first baseman.right now all three above are much better than hughes and as good prospect wise.
sabathia would be an excellant start.i would see if the dodgers will take cano,kennedy,melky/gardner for billingsley,if not give up some better prospects,then trade hughes for a good young center fielder/first baseman.if they don’t sign tex they can package prospects for a center fielder/first baseman depending on what hughes lands them.
free agency alone can do it if the right players are signed and maybe a lot of the kids work out but the yankees need to completely rebuild except arod,jeter,mo,posada,joba,wang and expecting the kids or free agency alone is a big risk.
the yankees are in a good position to turn this around quickly and as long as they get a center fielder,first baseman,pitcher in addition to signing a fa pitcheor two they should do it.they made a huge mistake trading tabata,olendorf,karsens and the others when they could of been used to bring in the right players.they also hung on to kennedy too long.a package of tabata,kennedy,olendorf would of landed the yankees a lot.
Follow up on the nickname theme –
Can you imagine football players doing that?
Brett Favre is “Bretty.” Brian Urlacher is “Brianie.” LaDanian Tomlinson is “LaDanie.”
or the NBA,
LaBron James is “Jamsie”??????
“The US has been behind the whole day, but you’ve got to read about Boo Weekley pumping up the crowd and getting icy looks from Westwood.”
Mel – we won the morning session 3 to 1. Boo didn’t even play in the morning.
Westwood on the Euro squad stared down Boo as he pumped up the Kentucky crowd – and then quickly lost a 2 hole lead in the match (4 ball).
As Mike Francessa said….
It is going to be painful to watch Torre, Manny, and the Dodgers come back to New York to play Santana and the Mets.
God that is going to be an insufferable week in NY if that series happens. The good part is that it will tick off the Mets fan to no end because this was their chance to have the spotlight to themselves with the Yankees out… but with all the attention will be on Torre, the ex-Yankee manager and the Yankees disappointing season without him at the helm. And the only Mets talk will be about Santana and what could have been- for the Yankees.
You know the media is salivating at this NYM-LAD matchup and will make it as Yankee-centric as possible.
lol wow What has Girardi started? trying to make all the players feminine
The Mets need to make the playoffs before worrying about playoff headlines.
if it came down to it, i’d root for the mets over the dodgers. either of them winning would make the yankees look bad, but id rather the mets win. the torre love fest is just getting too much.
Question for anyone out there.
I am doing a project for a Business Communications class in college on the purpose of the front office in baseball, however, I’m trying to find some credible information on that subject, if any of you guys know any links I could find, I would great appreciate it!
GO YANKEES!
the brewers are dead, mets will make it by default
Speaking of Yankee Pitching prospects, what’s the word on Andrew Brackman?
oh yeah….I HATE GEORGEY. it’s not even Jorge’s name.
TK,
Meant the afternoon. But we were down in the morning, too, and stormed back.
It’s funny cuz the crowd is yelling, “Boo” at the American.
If Sabathia doesn’t sign here, we have no choice but to trade some of our valued commodities (Hughes, Cano etc.) for pitching.
Who else is going to take the ball next year? There is no way Hal is going into the new stadium with the same patchwork rotation that we went into 2008 with.
whats wrong with this rotation?
wang
sheets
joba
hughes
mussina
???
Well tom, aside from the fact that Hughes is on an innings limit and has proven nothing to warrant the hype, Joba is on an innings limit and has injury concerns lingering until he shows he can throw 200 innings, and Sheets only makes 15-20 starts a year and is from the NL…. nothing. That rotation is fine.
Yankeefanfoev13, what do you mean the by the “purpose of the front office in baseball”?
tom,
Sheets is wrong! The man feels a “cutting” sensation in his elbow.
GB7 –
I had heard all that about the Yankees/Giants/Polo Grounds stuff. Must have been fun at the time, huh?
i have a question about stub hub and sunday’s game…if you buy tickets using stub hub’s last minute services, what time are the tickets available to pick up? it says they are available 2 hours prior to the event, but the stadium is opening at 1 pm that day.
so will the tickets be available around 1, or not until 6 pm (which is technically 2 hours before game time)? if anyone knows this, that would be greatly appreciated.
Tom,
That was too vague, sorry about that.
I wanted to focus to an actual part of the baseball front office, the marketing aspect of it. I know that Deborah A. Tymon for instance is in charge of this aspect for the Yankees; I just wanted to find some type of information on what the Senior VP of Marketing would do for a baseball organization.
Pete, don’t know if you know this, but I have a cool story.
I live in New Jersey, and am a member at a great golf club called Manhattan Woods (in West Nyack, NY). Today, I was out golfing, and it was a big celebrity day. Jason Kidd was playing. Ahmad Rashad was playing with Bill Murray.
And then, overshadowing all of them, the group right in front of me, is Michael Jordan, and none other than Alex Rodriguez.
Didn’t really know what to think. I guess he can do whatever he wants with his days, especially considering the season is as good as over, but it was just really cool to see an active athlete during his sports season, out doing something else.
Hey everybody, be sure to thank the Federal Government for bailing out all these Wall Street a-holes just in time for the Yankee Stadium Luxury suites to go on sale. I don’t know about you, but knowing there will be fine wine, sushi, and caviar sure takes the hurt off of knowing several million people lost their homes. What a world we live in.
don’t look now, but Boston is prime to be swept by the Blue Jays….WHEN that happens and The Yankees take care of biz this weekend versus the O’s….there could be at least one more post-season series to bless the Stadium, yet….( stranger things have I seen, ALL ! )
Yankeefanfoev13, No problem. I have to deal with reading and grading 150 freshman comp papers right now. I’m a little on edge. Thanks.
Here’s an article from 2003.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/john_donovan/news/2003/05/22/donovan_marketing/
mel –
right – funny that boo is a country boy playing in Kentucky. They love him in the gallery. (I would guess the avg net worth of the gallery is north of $1M btw)
TK,
Hey! Even bluebloods get ripped if they drink mint juleps all day on the course.
Well I didn’t get a chance to post it last time, but tomorrow I am going to the game and I am bringing my 3.5 month old son. To be honest we took him to a game a few weeks ago, that game was for him, tomorrow’s game is for me.
To me, Yankee Stadium is like my Disney World. A Utopia where it is always summer and relaxing. When I go there I can’t help but smile (internally) and I feel forever young. While I think the Yankees definitely need a new stadium, it will be difficult to replace my Utopia. I just hope that my youth doesn’t die that day too.
Anyway, let’s go Yankees! Finish Strong and give the league something to think about for next year.
I love that not only did Mike Mussina choose the most original thing to take from the stadium, but already has the logistics figured out.
Question: Which scenario would you rather?
1. Yanks split their remaining games, including beating the Red Sox in the final series, but the Sox win 7 of their last 10 and easily take the Wild Card.
2. Yanks go on a tear to finish the season, winning every game leading up to the final game of the year, and the Red Sox go ice cold, losing every game except 2 for the rest of the year. And then Yanks, who could tie up the division with one win in the final game, get killed by a 2 homer game from the devil incarnate himself, Kevin youkkkkkilis.
3. Yanks win every game except one, Sox lose every game, so Yanks finish ahead of sox…. but Blue Jays also win every game, and beat the Yanks by 1.
Which would you prefer? Which would be worse?
Clearly option 1 is whats going to happen- but would you prefer a chase to the end, and then a devastating, abrupt end to finally shatter hope?
Tom,
I can understand you being on an edge lol
Thanks a bunch.
Incognito, the problems with the banks are the results of the media driven frenzy over the redlining issue. When the banks were pretty much forced to make bad loans because they couldn’t look like they were treating anyone “unfairly”, they were left with a lot of money out on loans they weren’t going to collect on. Add to that poor management, not government regulations, and the banks were doomed.
The bail out isn’t good, but I don’t think it wise to have the whole financial system fall apart either.
2008 Playoffs for the Yankees….NOT DEAD YET
September 19th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
“don’t look now, but Boston is prime to be swept by the Blue Jays….WHEN that happens and The Yankees take care of biz this weekend versus the O’s….there could be at least one more post-season series to bless the Stadium, yet….( stranger things have I seen, ALL ! )”
Don’t bet your life savings on it my good friend Vito!
On a different note, NESN is reporting that Bartolo Colon has decided to stay in the Dominican Republic. Looks like no more Bartolo this year!
That does it for me. Now he’s a true Yankee.
Jordan:
Was it a charity event? It seems a little strange because Alex doesn’t play golf.
I would rather go on a run and get beat by a 2 run HR by Youkallis.
This won’t be a pretty game..two pitchers will 5.00+ ERA’s. Looks like both offenses will have a good night. Maybe the Yankees can show the crowd a few wins before the stadium is gone for good. Go Yankees!
Kevin
Pete,
Don’t get mad just because you don’t know every detail about Alex’s life.
j/k. My first thought was Alex would be in the cages rather than on the course.
Pete –
That’s great for the Yankees, but I’ll bet Michelle is a little conflicted about it.
‘banks were pretty much forced to make bad loans because they couldn’t look like they were treating anyone “unfairly‒ I don’t know where to begin.
“banks” are never forced to loan money, but “banks” are not the problem here anyway. It’s investment banks that invested in bad loans, and encouraged bad loans with lots of money because they thought they were essentially investing in real estate which up until last year was thought to be a fool-proof investment. It was totally reckless, totally unregulated and absolutely their own fault that they find themselves in crisis. If these were “banks” as we know them in trouble, they’d have been put out of business by the Fed a long time ago.
Today the SEC band short sellers to make it impossible for the market not to surge and everybody is jumping for joy. Problem is that they just eliminated the only thing that keeps Wall Street honest and created a “short-seller bubble” that will surely burst as soon as they lift the ban.
Point is, there will still be caviar at Yankees Games next year. Some people may not have a house, but they can sleep well knowing Wall Street is having fun at the New Yankee Stadium.
I will shed a tear when Andrew Brackman throws his first pitch in Hawaii.
Johnny hopping on a plane is no big deal. Father’s only need to be present twice. The rest is gravy.
pavano sucks
rob cano will finish strong
mel –
I respectfully disagree with that. Not that I don’t understand and appreciate that Damon has an obligation to the Yankees that pays the bills. Just saying, if I’m his wife, I wish he’d take the one extra day. Although, it is so close to the end of the season, and he’ll be home for good (the winter) soon.
mlb.com said Michelle Damon had the baby in NY.
There was no charity event. I guess MJ just invited him out to play so he sucked it up and made a fool out of himself.
pat –
Well, that would make the circumstances very different, wouldn’t it?
c’mon carlito
Doreen
Very different unless Bryan Hoch at mlb.com got it wrong.
“Johnny Damon was granted permission to leave the Yankees on Thursday, as he and his wife, Michelle, welcomed a new baby girl to their family.
Michelle Damon gave birth to a healthy baby girl, Danica, in New York. The newborn weighed in at six pounds and eight ounces.”
Nice start by the Rajah
Can he just get the freaking three outs…just one good game from him PLEASE!
Pavano doesn’t look too good. Good throw by Gardner and tag by Pudge. Still, it stinks to already be one run down.
I know he’s a gritty, gutty, durable competitor and all, but does Pavano really give us the best chance to win?
Nick Markakis-he’s very nice to look at.
1 more out Carl
jeezus I can’t believe I’m going to say this – but IPK wasn’t available to start today?
Comon Pavano, that was scary! You should take yourself out and spare us fans from having to watch you pitch.
does moose get the bat on top of flag pole?
Also Damon had baby in NYC according to everything I have read so no plane involved although I still really like him
Damon is one of the clutch players on the team..
Next year, Pavano, Rasner, and Ponson should not even be allowed to purchase a ticket to watch a game. Wonder if anyone will be foolish enough to take a flier on Pavano? Maybe some team will sign him to a minor league deal.
However, I agree: NO IPK. Not ever!
gayle –
I still like him, too.
I’m just having flashback to when my first daughter was born and my husband had to attend his grandmother’s funeral 2 days later – an overnight. I missed him even though I had my mom and was doing fine.
Attention Yankee batters: Liz has walked 45 in 73 innings. How about some plate patience??
nice to see jeter take a pitch
I call bogus on the alex golf story as Jordan is at the Ryder cup have seem him on tv and alex was in midtown today I
As you can see on tmz
“next year carl will win the cy young”
Not even in the indy leagues.
Pavano stinks. Can’t wait till he is gone.
Is there anyone warming up yet?????
Hard to believe the caliber of starting pitching we’ve been subjected to this year. Truly nauseating.
jeez
why does Pavano suck so much?
I don’t know what part of “Carl Pavano Sucks” is hard for the Yankees to understand.
The crowd’s going to get very ugly, very soon.
IPK is probably better than this.
http://www.complex.com/blogs/2008/09/19/remembering-yankee-stadiums-funniest-moments/
funniest moments at yankee stadium
any bets on where pavano ends up next year? my guees is a one year deal for the marlins, at league minimum.
Ooohhh…Sac flies are so cool…
I just came from a 1.5-hour super PT session for my shoulder and I’d do a better job out there
Maybe they should just grab a fan from the stands and have him or her pitch? How bad could that be?
2 lead off doubles (essentially with the stolen base) and 2 runs
Carl, thanks for the rehab. You’re now even worse than before. You should be exiled to Borneo where even the hungry jungle natives would reject eating you.
Looks like Jordan was busted.
Whatever happens tonight, Girardi needs to ensure that Pavano is removed in the middle of an inning, not after one.
Ok time to take this waste of space out of the rotation. He has had nothing his last couple of starts and even worse he stole $45m from the Yanks and they are allowing him to show case himself for next season.
A hit would be nice
Captain—“Showcasing” is far too kind a word.
Atta boy, team, keep swinging at the first pitch!!
Anyone going to the game tomorrow.
There we go
and there we went.
X WITH A DP / is that even allowed???
PLAYOFF SCENARIO:
Yankees all their games leading up to the series at Fenway.
Burnett and Halladay of the Blue Jays, and Lee and Carmona of the Indians get wins against the Red Sox Sowers, Jackson, and Richmond would need just 1 win between the 3 of them for the last 3 games to be meaningful!
How’s that for optimism??
*frustrating
there goes that.
No. 27: I’d be happy with 2 out of 3 this weekend, right now.
It’s not like Liz has control problems or anything. This is exactly why we aren’t playing october baseball this season, a mediocre pitcher comes to our house and completely dominates us. It’s almost like our guys don’t have a scouting report.. could Liz be the new Daniel Cabrera?
I’m not asking for a 1-2-3 inning, I’m asking for a scoreless one
“a mediocre pitcher comes to our house and completely dominates us”
Correction here: Liz is many lengths below mediocre
ZMAN7777,
You wouldn’t know that by watching him face the Yankees.
Jennifer I am going tomorrow and SUnday
True, and if we’re all honest, we’d gladly trade Pavano, Rasner, and Pavano for Liz’ kid brother.
WOW – did I just get both??
Oops, meant Pavano, Rasner and Ponson
“This is exactly why we aren’t playing october baseball this season, a mediocre pitcher comes to our house and completely dominates us. It’s almost like our guys don’t have a scouting report.. could Liz be the new Daniel Cabrera?”
hes pitched 2 innings…2…thats 1+1….why dont we see how the game goes..we hit Liz hard last time we faced him….and btw Cabrera has a 5.04 era against the yankees in his career and a 5.32 this year..
Robbie!
robbie is liking his new stance
Cano – don’t you know?
Wow. The new approach is really paying off for Cano.
Maybe Cano should have changed his batting stance after the first week of the season?
Brett, BUNTTTTTT!!!!
Pudge got a hit.
Maybe Kevin Long should change everyones stance.
Come on Yanks, win one for me.
I have 2 tickets for tomorrow’s game, if anyone is interested.
Tier Box MVP behind home plate. 7 rows from the railing. I would like to just get something for the tickets.
I can e-mail the tickets to you.
Thanks.
hold onto that bat Brett
CB – are you kidding me…what’s the cost?
nice hitting by gardner