Game 155: Orioles at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 20, 2008 
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YANKEES (83-71)
Damon CF
Jeter DH
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady LF
Cano 2B
Ransom SS
Moeller C
Aceves RHP
Alfredo Aceves (1-0, 1.80) has never faced any of the Baltimore hitters.
Brian Burres (7-9, 6.32) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees have won three straight and six of their last seven. … The Yankees are 6-2 on their current homestand, which has two games left. … Baltimore is 67-85. The once-proud Orioles have averaged 90.75 losses over the last eight seasons.
TRAGIC NUMBER = 2: A loss and a Red Sox victory would eliminate the Yankees from the postseason for the first time since 1993.
PITCHING IN: Yankee pitchers in the last three games: 27 innings, 21 hits, 5 runs, 8 walks, 24 strikeouts.
BUILDING A RESUME: Aceves has thrown 20 innings for the Yankees, allowing 4 runs on 15 hits. He has walked three and fanned 12. Alfredo told me yesterday that he was getting married in November and he’s looking forward to the offseason. So congratulations to him.
WHAT A DIFFERENCE: Friday night marked the 66th time in 154 games that the Yankees were held to three or fewer runs. They are on a pace to score 781 runs. That would be 187 fewer than last season.
TEAM RBI LEADERS: A-Rod 101, Abreu 95, Giambi 93.
THE LITTLE G: Brett Gardner has stolen 10 bases. Only four Yankees have more. Damon has 29, Abreu 19, A-Rod 17 and Jeter 11.
JUST A REMINDER: I’ll be doing a live video chat on LoHud.com on Monday at 1 p.m. to talk about the final game at the Stadium and whatever other subjects you come up with.
Back later with updates.
UPDATE, 12:15 p.m.: Andy Pettitte spoke to reporters this morning about his start tomorrow. Near the end of his interview he revealed an interesting nugget of information. Joe Girardi, he said, has asked him to return to the team next season. “He made his feelings clear,” Pettitte said.
That decision will ultimately belong to Brian Cashman or whoever the GM is. But it’s interesting that Girardi has made up his mind already. Here’s my question: Do you want Pettitte and Moose back or just one of them?
UPDATE, 12:55 p.m.: The Yankees just presented Derek Jeter with a sterling silver tray in recognition of his passing Babe Ruth for second place on the franchise career hits list. The Bambino’s granddaughter, Linda Ruth Tosetti, presented the tray to the Captain.
UPDATE, 1:08 p.m.: Nice crisp 65-degree day here in the Bronx. Not a cloud in the sky and a lot of empty seats for first pitch. If you’re watching at home, enjoy the game.
UPDATE, 1:33 p.m.: Today is the 108th game Giambi has played at first base. That’s most he has ever played for the Yankees. You have to go back to 2001, when he played 136 games at first base for Oakland, to find a season when Giambi played more in the field.
UPDATE, 2:14 p.m.: The Yankees say that “somebody special” is going to pull the countdown lever.
UPDATE, 2:29 p.m.: The countdown lever was pulled by … Bob Sheppard via video. That was cool.
UPDATE, 2:35 p.m.: Funny item in the Post today about A-Rod getting his hair frosted. Now that he’s single again, Alex needs to keep his game sharp.
UPDATE, 2:24 p.m.: OK, enough is enough. Alfedo Aceves is pitching great and the Yankees need to score a couple of runs off Brian Burres. Yankees should make sure that tomorrow is not a meaningless game.
UPDATE, 2:48 p.m.: Thats it for Alfredo Aceves. The Monterrey Magician went six scoreless, scattering five hits. He has allowed four earned runs in 26 innings with the Yankees. Pretty impressive. Aceves pitches to contact, holds runners, changes speeds and fields his position. The dude knows how to pitch and should at least be in the mix for some sort of gig next season.
UPDATE, 3:07 p.m.: The PA announcer, Jim Hall, just introduced the hitter as “Alex Nady.”
UPDATE, 3:33 p.m.: Mariano Rivera just blew the O’s away in the ninth. Jeter, Abreu and A-Rod due up. Somebody jack one out of here and send everybody home. Give the Sandman a win.
UPDATE, 3:37 p.m.: Jeter was hit by a pitch in the left arm and left the game. We’ll pass along word on his status after the game. Hopefully he can play tomorrow. It would have to be a severe injury to keep him out, I’m sure.
Pinch runner The Little G just stole second. No outs.
UPDATE, 3:43 p.m.: At least Alex didn’t ground into a double play. Now all the Yankees need is a fly ball from The Big G to score The Little G.
UPDATE, 3:50 p.m.: Cano wins it. Nice crisp game on a nice crisp day. Tomorrow counts.
Here at the stadium waiting for gates to open a beautiful day for baseball with a nip in the air. Babes grandaughter is here to present some kind of award to jeter. Only reason why I know this is that she was with ray negron looking at the paintings ons the wall in the parking lot where I park and were walking ahead of me talking to a news crew
gayle I am going today too. Where are your seats? I am section 33!! Upper deck. I’m leaving shortly.
I was at the game last night. Though the yanks will not make the playoffs this year, everyone was still having a great time. It’s especially great to see our young players out there playing their butts off. Hopefully 2009 will be a great season for the yanks!
“TRAGIC NUMBER = 2: A loss and a Red Sox victory would eliminate the Yankees from the postseason for the first time since 1993.”
I wouldn’t call it a tragic number Pete. After all not making the postseason after making 13 straight is nothing to be ashamed of. And thanks for the extra two years but it’s been since 1995, not 1993. That’s something only someone who is a true follower of the Yankees would know, so you’re forgiven.
Oh Gayle and Jenn – have a wonderful time!!!!!
It’s a glorious day for baseball. Drink it all in.
GO YANKEES!!!!!
Is Aceves getting married to Charo or Tatiana? I hope they’re not too old to have children. Maybe Jorge can “well document” the wedding. Is his childhood buddy, Teddy Higuera, the best man?
I’m getting there a little early to walk around and take lots of pictures!! Than I’ll head over to the tavern for the pregame drink.
Sitting today field championship 3
Jennifer and Gayle – have fun today. It is a great day for baseball. And you can say you were at the last day game ever at Yankee Stadium.
Trisha
Pete is right. 1994 was the shortened season but the Yankees were in 1st place.
ahhh you got nice seats!! LUCKY!! These were the best I could purchase in the upper deck in the presale.
Thanks for the fun wishes. I’m out!! GOOO YANKEES!!
NYYanks fan, Pete said 1993. And though 1994 was a shortened season if had nothing to do with the postseason since nothing says the Yankees would have been in first at the end of the season. His comments were about elimination from the postseason. In 1993 they ended the season 7 games back.
Gayle – mama mia those are some seats! I hope you have your camera with you!
“And you can say you were at the last day game ever at Yankee Stadium.”
Fran you have the most wonderful way of looking at things.
Gotta scramble to get some things done before game time.
Later all.
And Joe Torre would’ve made up for additional 187 runs how? Himself batting?
Always have my camera this year. Tomorrow night it is bleachers as that was all available for pre sale but will enjoy just as much as today
Tragic number and Red Sox in the same sentence sure does hurt, doesn’t it?
That team is primed to be great for the next several years. Not only did they bring up a ton of young guys this year, but they all are contributing factors to another championship year!
What the hell has happened to the Yankees? Every year since 2001 they seem to get worse and worse as payroll gets bigger and bigger.
Doesn’t seem to be a recipe for success…has it?
lolz the lil G
Completely out of subject question…
Last year, at the Stadium, I saw a poster/billboard ad with 2 yankees caps next together.
One very used (from childhood I supposed). One brand new (from the first Yankee start).
Do you remember the exact slogan?
Alfredo told me yesterday that he was getting married in November and he’s looking forward to the offseason. So congratulations to him.
Isn’t that the same thing that killed Kennedy last yr??? Don’t do it, Alfredo.
The heckling in Fenway Park will be brutal. We will be out of it, they would have clinched a playoff spot
Hearing whispers that tino is sitting in the bleachers today right field ones so if anyone is out there be on the look out
Why is Derek DHing?
Cause his fielding sucks now
Why is Moeller playing today? He is another player with no chance of being on the team in 2009.
I watched Girardis interview/lovefest over Gardner last night. I love Garnders speed and fieling but let me get this straight, they sent Melky down because of his offense and they think Gardner hitting 170 is ok? Further when Melky went down he hit 333 at SWB, Gardner was like a 260 at SWB.
Nady? he has NL/AL conversion working on him. At Pittsburgh he hit 330, as a Yankee I think hes hitting 270 or so. Keep Abreu.
Cano is only a few points off what Nady is hitting why so much hate on Canos offense?
I hope next year Girardi doesnt allow the personal catcher thing. I think its ok if you are a guy like Halliday, or CC, but .500 pitchers should not be calling their own personnel
Girardi needs to get every pitcher in the final game and od something like this -
Pettitte – 4.0 IP
Pavano – 0.1 IP
Coke – 0.1 IP
Edwar – 0.1 IP
Ponson – 0.1 IP
Mussina – 0.1 IP
Veras – 0.1 IP
Bruney – 0.1 IP
Aceves – 0.1 IP
Rasner 0.1 IP
Joba – 0.1 IP
Marte – 0.1 IP
Bruney – 0.1 IP
Rivera – 9th regardless of score
Keep Kennedy, and Chase Wright in standby incase of extra innings
“Why is Derek DHing?”
because girardi doesn’t know how annoying it is to be manager and have jeter in the dugout with him.
“The heckling in Fenway will be brutal”
Yeah it will. Can’t you hear it now: Na na na na hey hey goodbye…
I guess this divorce thing has really gotten to him, nobody can blame him but in this mini winning streak and good baseball the Yanks have played lately he has been MIA on the offensive front
And thanks for the extra two years but it’s been since 1995, not 1993. That’s something only someone who is a true follower of the Yankees would know, so you’re forgiven.
1993 was the last time there was a postseason without the Yankees.
Before you call out someone, be sure you know what you are talking about.
Moller is being rewarded for his loyalty and good attitude. He has done great work with the young pitchers and they felt bad about DFA’ing him for Pudge so they promised him a 40 man spot when September came around.
wheres Ardo?
September 20th, 2008 at 11:44 am
The better question is Who’s Ardo?
jeez, can Girardi keep Gardner in the lineup. the guy’s having a spectacular stretch. helped win 2-3 games this week with catches.
ER,
No doubt. Pete is loving this an I don’t blame him. He has dealt with so much crap from posters who disagree with him over the years, that now he gets to gloat. I have no problem with it.
BTW – 12-2, Orioles. Pettitte gone after 2, Rasner/Giese/Edwar finish out the final game/season.
How will the final game end?
A. Blowout by the Orioles, Andy gets pounded.
B. No hitter/perfect game by Charlie Walters.
C. Blown save by MO, HR by Millar
D. A-Rod up with the bases loaded, 1 out, down by 1 run in bottom of the 9th and GIDPs.
E. Jason Giambi fielding error in top of the 14th inning (1:30 AM) to give Orioles the lead and eventual win.
F. Postponement/Rainout.
People still moaning about the lineup.
Can’t decide if it’s comical or sad. lol
many of the players on this team are very comfortable playing when nothing is at stake. i do notice an awful lot of relaxed smiles from certain players who played most of their careers in this situation.
if we don’t get cc or bruentt
wang
hughes
rasner (until joba is ready)
mussina
pavano/ponson
I hope hes playing to showcase him to trade him and other spare parts to get some quality players.
Gardner has never hit at anytime in his career, still young though and might be useful as a 4th OF and pinch runner late in games next season.
Trisha, you have more of a fixation with the Red Sox than the Yankees. During a typical Yankee game you have more posts about the Red Sox game than the Yankee game!
Heh, I like it, “The Little G”
gardner and kennedy for matt halladay? he is only a rental,
the red sox have a lot of problems at the moment that is masked by the wild card lead they have. lowell is one setback away from being out for the year. lugo is gone.ortiz isn’t ortiz anymore. there is no one like manny to feel no pressure in big games. drew is still out. beckett hasn’t been great all year.
no, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the red sox one and done this fall.
“Gardner has never hit at anytime in his career, still young though and might be useful as a 4th OF and pinch runner late in games next season.”
well hes not playing today…and he has hit in the minors very well…
I do not know what the actual chances are this happening, but just Imagine if our Yankees one every game until the final series with Boston and Boston lost every game going into that series. And a sweep in Boston made the improbable playoff comeback in the history of Baseball.
Hey it’s not over yet. I can still dream.
“Gardner has never hit at anytime in his career, still young though and might be useful as a 4th OF and pinch runner late in games next season”
Brett Gardner’s minor league
stats: .291BA .389OBP .385slg .774ops
To judge a player based on 100 ab’s (especially inconsistent ones) is just silly. While he may not be a power-hitter–he does have a track record of getting on base and stealing bases.
There’s no way they should both be brought back. One or the other. And CC better be a Yankee.
Attention assorted idiots:
You cannot post obscene words. Such posts get automatically filtered out, so stop wasting your time.
Meanwhile, for the 1,000th time this season, please stop responding to trolls. Just stop. There is no point to it. Picking fights with some friendless Red Sox fan does nobody any good, Just ignore them and they will go away.
Thanks.
I want Andy and Moose back, but as our 4 & 5 starters. The rotation next season should be CC, Wang, Joba, Moose & Andy.
Randy,
Certainly the Red Sox have some concerns, but it is interesting that all year I have been reading posts on here that claim the Red Sox were on the verge of falling apart.
First, Lugo being gone…well that is not a problem. That is a good thing. Lowrie is doing quite nicely. Jon Lester has a .87 ERA in September, the best in the American League.
It is true that Beckett has not been dominating. However, in his last game against Tampa he allowed one run in eight innings. That is not too shabby. In recent years there has not been a more clutch pitcher in the playoffs than Beckett.
The future of Mike Lowell I will grant you is a major concern.
To answer your question, Peter, just one of them, and it ain’t Pettitte.
Now, here’s my question: If you ignore the name and just focus on the performance dating back to the end of July, would ANYBODY want this guy back???
Would ANYBODY be pining for the return of a soon-to-be 37-year-old who has 1 win in his last 10 starts???
I’d prefer Moose over Pettitte next season, but if both are willing to take team friendly, icentive laden deals then sure bring both back and see what they can do.
If they do though, there can’t be this “we have to keep pitching them even if they can’t perform” mentality. At some point performance has to trump nostalgia.
I wouldn’t mind seeing both Moose and Andy back for the 4th and 5th spots, especially if Joba can’t begin the year in the rotation. If I had to pick one, though…. Moose has shown me that he can pitch without a good fastball, while Andy hasn’t shown me he can pitch without a good cutter. It’s odd that Girardi would ask Pettitte to come back after such a mediocre season.
Pete,
Regarding Pettitte/Mussina, it all depends on what happens in the FA market. CC will ultimately start the dominoes. If we can get him, then we don’t need both, just bring back one.
However, what if we don’t get CC? Then where do we go for pitching? Do we sign a 2nd tier pitcher like Burnett? Do we shop Hughes/Cano for some young pitching?
If we don’t get CC, I don’t think we really have a choice but to bring both of them back. Who else is going to pitch for us next year? Wang is the only one guaranteed a spot in the rotation.
Great column on the passing of Yankee Stadium:
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/i.....;Itemid=41
First Hank played GM, then Jorge played GM, now Girardi is trying to be the GM?
Why can’t people just let Cashman do what he has to do?
I agree. CC Wang Joba Moose Andy. With Hughes waiting in AAA ready to fill in for Joba when he’s about to hit his innings limit and move to the pen. That’s an extremely respectable rotation.
Yankees N More
September 20th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
To answer your question, Peter, just one of them, and it ain’t Pettitte.
Now, here’s my question: If you ignore the name and just focus on the performance dating back to the end of July, would ANYBODY want this guy back???
Would ANYBODY be pining for the return of a soon-to-be 37-year-old who has 1 win in his last 10 starts???
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What about the three games that he went 7 innings and allowed 3 runs and took the loss?
I would also like it note for the official record that this alleged “shoulder” issue popped up out of NOWHERE after Pettitte’s bad outing two starts ago.
Prior to that start, Pettitte was telling everybody who would listen how wonderful he feels.
In fact, Mark Feinsand reported during “the Daily-News fifth” two Pettitte starts ago that the lefty is feeling so good, this is the first time in a long time he was ready to commit to next season before the last one even ended.
Was he just lying??? Making that up???
Another bad start and this shoulder thing pops up… Meanwhile, an MRI that’s part of a season-ending physical shows no significant problems.
It is AMAZING to me that so many who cover this team are willing to take this “shoulder problem” and run with it, without once publicly questioning why Pettitte suddenly started singing a different toon about 9 days ago.
Impossible to predict.
We’re pretty much screwed if we don’t get CC anyway you slice it, so I don;’t think it matters whether both come back or not. Either way we will have a flawed, barely mediocre rotation for the 6th straight year. CC holds the cards to the success of the franchise in 09 and moving forward.
GreenBeret7 said: “What about the three games that he went 7 innings and allowed 3 runs and took the loss?”
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OK… What is that, 4 good starts???
Would ANYBODY want a soon-to-be 37-year-old who is so worn out the final two months of the season he can only give you a quality effort about 40% of the time?
I don’t. And if most people would stop watching the name and start watching the performance, they wouldn’t either.
No Yankee fan should ever be concerned with what anybody in Boston or the silly Green Sardine Can thinks.
For most of 86 years the Yankees would go to Boston to play meaningless games at season’s end and nothing was ever said about it.
It shows the little town envy mentality versus metropolitan thinking.
Well first off, you’ve got Wang in the rotation, and I want the Yankees to go after Sabathia. So let’s say they get him.
Then it depends on what the story is with Joba after the AFL (if he goes). If he’s at an innings count where he can realistically be in the rotation all year, then I resign Mussina, and probably let Pettitte walk. Let the 5th spot be filled by Hughes/Aceves, or sign a Garland or Burnett or something.
If the Yankees can’t sign Sabathia, Burnett, or Sheets, then I guess I’d bring Pettitte back, but he’s struggled lately and I’m not sure how much he has left. I like Andy, I do, but if it’s a choice between him and Mussina, I bring back Mussina, and I don’t know that I’d want to bring them both back.
“CC holds the cards to the success of the franchise in 09 and moving forward”
I disagree. A healthy Wang and Joba mean more to the success of this franchise than CC ever will.
CC
Wang
Pettitte
Mussina
Chamberlain
Wang
Burnett (if CC doesn’t want to come here)
Pettitte
Mussina
Chamberlain
I want Andy and Moose back. Put Joba in the rotation on opening day, with Hughes starting the season at SWB. There is no guaranty that the Yankees will be able to sign CC, Burnett, Sheets, or even Derek Lowe. They will likely try to sign 1 or 2, but that is way too much uncertainty for the first season in the new stadium.
The Yankees will have a great bullpen next season with Mo, Bruney, Marte, Melancon, Coke, Veras, Albaldejo, Ramirez, Giese, and maybe Sanchez contributing. They will also have some solid starters at SWB when someone in NY gets hurt. Abreu and Giambi will leave two pretty big holes in the lineup though, Matsui and Posada better have big seasons.
Girardi asking for Pettitte back shows you what he thinks of Hughes and Kennedy. He would rather have a 37 yr old guy with a close to 5 ERA and elbow problems than the young ‘phenoms’ that Cashman touted.
Pete, to answer your question, I want both of them back. Mussina has learned how to pitch with diminished stuff (obviously) and while I would never expect him to duplicate this amazing year, do I believe he could be a solid, veteran fifth starter? Absolutely. Having an old Mike Mussina as your fifth starter is better, in my opinion, than having the Sydney Ponson’s and Darrell Rasner’s of the world trotting out there.
As far as Pettitte. There seem to be a lot of rumors that his shoulder has been hurting him. If he is not healthy, that would explain a lot. If he has been healthy, here is my feeling: even at this diminished state he is still a solid back-end of the rotation lefty who, instead of being a number 2, would now be a number 4 or 5. Plus, if we learned anything it is to not count big time veteran pitchers out. We all thought Mussina (who is older than Pettitte) was done after last year, now everyone wants him back for ANOTHER year. I don’t think there is any question Pettitte could come back next year and have a MUCH better season.
A lot of things went wrong this year but one of the big, early mistakes was entrusting TWO spots in the rotation to rookies. To me, it is obvious that the Yanks need to make a BIG play for a BIG pitcher. Let’s say, for the sake of arguement, they throw an obscene amount of money at CC Sabathia and he signs. I think a rotation of CC, Wang, Joba (please don’t start him in the bullpen. just start him for God’s sake), Pettitte, Mussina is formidable, with a great mix of youth and veteran leadership. If you don’t trade Phil Hughes, he gets innings and experience in the minors and is ready to be called up in case of injury or ineffectiveness. If you do trade him, you watch and hope that many of these younger pitchers progress, OR, what about Phil Coke here? He has been a starter his whole career, has a nice arsenal of weapons. He could be a really, really nice pitcher, but at the very least he could be a guy you hand the ball to in case of injury and don’t feel like you are giving up on the season.
In the offseason of ’92 there were people who thought the same thing about Bonds and Maddux. “f the yankees don’t get them we’re doomed”. Well, they didn’t get them. However, they ended up getting some Reds OFer and Jimmy Key. How’d that work out?
if the yankees get cc and they want to get burnett and he decides to resign do u think the yankees look at former cy award winner bartolo colon
Yankees N More
September 20th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
GreenBeret7 said: “What about the three games that he went 7 innings and allowed 3 runs and took the loss?â€
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OK… What is that, 4 good starts???
Would ANYBODY want a soon-to-be 37-year-old who is so worn out the final two months of the season he can only give you a quality effort about 40% of the time?
I don’t. And if most people would stop watching the name and start watching the performance, they wouldn’t either.
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Most likely, you were one of those that declared Mussina wahed up lat August, right? Pettitte hasn’t been great, but, through July and early August, Pettitte was 12-7 with a 3.83 ERA and everyone was talking about how he was carrying the team with his great pitching. He didn’t forget how to pitch i 2 two months. He has a couple of adjustments to make, and, yes, there is room and a need on this team for Pettitte in 2009.
i love how people are dogging andy and praising mussina when there wasn’t 1 yankee fan who wanted moose back this season, but look what happened with that. Pettitte could do the same thing so i say bring both back.
The fact is that Pettitte is going to give us another season with over 200IP this year. We have so many holes in our pitching rotation right now, the last thing the Yankees need to do is create more by letting Moose and/or Andy walk.
The Yankees started 12 different pitchers this year (not including Bruney’s one start), and Moose and Andy are the only 2 pitchers that gave us over 150IP. I can’t believe it’s even a debate whether or not you want those two pitchers back.
You can pencil Hughes and Joba and whoever the new rookie flavor of the month is into the rotation all you want, but you still don’t know what you’re going to get. At least with Moose and Pettitte you can be certain enough to write their names in pen instead of pencil.
Right now if we don’t resign Andy and Moose, we have a rotation that looks like this:
Wang
???
???
???
???
That seems like entirely too many holes to fill through injury prone rookies and free agents.
I think we learned 2 things this season:
1.) You can’t assume a bunch of rookies are going to be able to be counted on as starting pitchers.
2.) You can never have too much starting pitching!
I don’t know about you guys, but I’d feel a lot better seeing Andy Pettitte take the mound every 5 days than some random journeyman we’ll have to pull off the scrap heap.
Pettitte is not getting any younger… Scouts say his stuff is not nearly as sharp as it used to be…
Is another YEAR going to help him recover his stuff???
Sometimes you have to let old players go, and not doing so is one of the biggest problems this franchise has had for the past several years.
I can’t believe that even on the Yankees’ own network, they can’t show more than ONE SENTENCE of Lou Gehrig’s speech. They always talk about how many great moments have happened here, but they show the same few clips over and over again.
Not to mention the fact that Andy is going to give you 120% every time he takes the mound. His heart is with this team just as much as guys like Jeter, Rivera, and Posada. That kind of commitment isn’t something that you find on the free agent market.
Andy Pettitte is a winner in every sense of the word, and you’d have to be deaf dumb and blind not to realize that.
If my choices are
Andy or Hughes/Kennedy/Rasner, then I take Andy in a heartbeat no questions asked.
I really don’t have much interest in Pettitte at this point. He’s not going to take a paycut to come back in all likelihood, so dropping another $15M on a pitcher who is currently 6% worse than league average just doesn’t really make much sense.
You’ll have Wang back. Joba hopefully will start the season back in the rotation. Bring back Moose. Add a free agent, preferably CC..but if you can’t get him, you pretty much have to pick your poison and hope you get lucky. Let Hughes and whoever else battle for the #5 spot in the rotation.
If CC is added, you can have CC/Wang/Joba/Moose/Hughes, with Aceves either as the long man or waiting in AAA. Or you can have Aceves with Hughes waiting in the wings.
I see a lot of people who are very willing to just throw Hughes to the side….despite having a mountain of evidence that suggests that most young pitchers struggle initially. Just take a look at Mike Pelfrey; the Mets were ready to shove him back to the minors this year but due to injuries needed to keep him around; and he pretty much figured out how to get hitters out overnight. History is filled with star pitchers who didn’t fare well at first.
Does this mean Hughes will become a star? No. But you will never find out if you don’t throw him out there every fifth day and see what he can do. If you have a strong enough rotation above him, you can afford to live with his struggles. This is where I believe a CC signing would be crucial. Having four solid starters with Hughes #5 takes some of the pressure off and allows him to perfect his craft in the majors.
Aceves, really want a gold glove. lol =)
“Sometimes you have to let old players go, and not doing so is one of the biggest problems this franchise has had for the past several years.”
Yankees N More,
At some point he will have to go, but if he goes now, then who replaces him?
It’s really easy to say get rid of everyone over the age of 35, but you still need 5 starters and 8 guys to take the field.
Who do you think is going to pitch? You want to count on Joba to pitch 200 innings for us??? Not going to happen my friend.
Hughes? Not happening.
Kennedy? Aceves? Brackman?
Do you think the Yankees are the only team in the game playing the free agent market? You really think they’re going to sign CC Burnett AND Free Agent Pitcher X? If they do, you’ll probably be the one complaining how ineffective and overpaid they are in 3 years.
An unassisted DP by the pitcher?
I chose a bad time to re up my supply of tissues.
If the Yanks bring back Pettitte AND Mussina, then one of the old guys will be crowding out one of the young guys. Here’s what I mean: Assume the Yanks sign one big free agent pitcher (CC, Burnett, etc.). The rotation will be (1) CC/Burnett; (2) Wang; (3) Joba; (4) Pettitte; (5) Mussina. That means Phil Hughes has no spot.
An unassisted DP by the pitcher?
Yup. A.Jones popped up on a bunt, Aceves caught it. Roberts was on 3rd arleady, so Aceves slowly jogged to 2nd place for the DP.
Ed: Awesome.
Cool!
CanIGetAMooseCall:
“The rotation will be (1) CC/Burnett; (2) Wang; (3) Joba; (4) Pettitte; (5) Mussina. That means Phil Hughes has no spot.”
You’re counting on Joba to pitch for the whole year?? Who’s going to replace him when he tears his rotator cuff? Rasner?
I have to say there are no less empty seats then I have seen on any saturday game
“no, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the red sox one and done this fall.”
Something happened to me that I thought I would never see. I had an actual bonding moment with Suzyn Waldman. I’m trying to get myself in order to leave early for tomorrows’s game so have to do a lot of multitasking. I was in the car listening to the pregame and Waldman had her final pregame interview with Mariano (who said his most memorable moment was winning the 1996 World Series). Well later Sterling asked Waldman if it had started to hit her yet and she said oh yes. He said he was feeling very sad today too. She said that what pushed her over the top was her interview with Mariano. She said “He had tears in his eyes, and you know I cry over anything.”
I now have a respect for her that I never before did. Suzyn, can I hang with you during emotional moments???
Red Sox down 1-0 already.
“Red Sox down 1-0 already.”
Brings a huge smile to my face. Hey if they lose and we win, Pete lives another day to give us the “tragic number”.
Pete is actually luckier than most of us here because his nostalgia will be superficial at most while we’re left with that deeper abiding “hole in your heart” kind of feeling. So that means on some level I’d rather be Pete!
I wonder how many of those empty seats were being sold by speculators who couldn’t get as premium of a price as they’d hoped.
i ran across this story today and was wondering what you guys think about it?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3598021
NICE THROW
ER:
Please go away. Your stupid troll crap is just tiresome.
Trisha – on the pregame show Kim was saying that the players are deciding what to take. Girardi took baggies full of dirt from home plate to give to his kids and nephews. Nady took his name plate off his locker. Mussina wants the flagpole from center field.
The game opening with Kay and Singleton made me tear up. I know that Kay said on his radio show that he was upset when ESPN took tomorrow night’s game. He wanted to broadcast the last game from Yankee Stadium on YES.
CC Burres is really tough.
Final Game broadcast dream team: Phil Rizzuto, Bill White, Bobby Murcer.
At least we hope they’ll be watching from the ballpark in heaven.
Oh Fran
I didn’t get to watch the pregame show but I did tape it.
Sure we would have all liked to go out on top at the very last game at Yankee Stadium (I mean as fans and they players too, not Michael Kay. I feel bad for him that he doesn’t get the final game.) But then what would the “legacy” be if we didn’t win it all? I can just hear people now saying that it was the same old Yankees, couldn’t get past round (whatever) in the playoffs. We didn’t have the pitching we needed and the offense was off for a variety of reasons, one – two – being Matsui and Jorge – so winning it all may have been difficult this particular year.
Maybe I’m okay with leaving the Stadium this way rather than with partial postseason success. Maybe I’ll have to be!
“Final Game broadcast dream team: Phil Rizzuto, Bill White, Bobby Murcer.
At least we hope they’ll be watching from the ballpark in heaven.”
And my mama is in the stands cheering her heart out.
Rebecca – I think that Bill White is still alive.
Hey Fran, maybe I can get a little dirt from the warning track in the outfield. Some very impressive feet have been on that dirt!
I don’t see both Pettite and Mussina back. One but not both. Pettite looks done to me. Girardi obviously is fond of him and likes him to be back because of that. But I would bring someone back just because he was a former teammate or of your fondness towards him. Or just so he can pitch in the new stadium.
I rather have Mussina back as the 4th or 5th starter.
Give me Wang,Sabathia,Sheets,Mussina,Joba. Hughes could come up when an injury occurs.
Fran: :-[ oops.
Now 3-0 Jays, Jays still batting
Rebecca – but I’m sure he’ll be watching tomorrow night!
Trisha – maybe you can – bring a little bag with you just in case. I tried to get something from the stadium when I took the tour, but all I could get was a pushpin from the dugout bulletin board where they post the line-up card.
Didn’t Burres three hit us earlier this year?
Lester getting pounded.
Too bad we can’t hit off Burres, wow.
“Didn’t Burres three hit us earlier this year?”
He was also sent to the bullpen because he sucks. I wish our batters would try a little bit harder on the second to last game at Yankee Stadium. But then again, if they did, we would be playing october baseball in YS this season.
Trevor, Sheets’ injuries scare me and I’d be willing to take a chance with Burnett who is just dying to be a Yankee. Otherwise, I’m with ya.
Didn’t Burres three hit us earlier this year?
Rebecca, you are correct. it was 4 hits instead.
Try 5-0 Jays.
We must win this game!
Hopefully Aceves will be back next year to be a 5th starter, or like many have said play the Ramiro Mendoza role.
Trevor, Sheets’ injuries scare me and I’d be willing to take a chance with Burnett who is just dying to be a Yankee. Otherwise, I’m with ya.
Mel, don’t forget Sheets got injuried twice just this month.
Well don’t they always say “second time around we’ll start to hit the pitcher?” Or something like that.
i mean TRISH, not mel. sorry.
Cmon Yanks!
Jays up 5-0 in the 3rd inning!
Lets try to make in interesting!
What are the chances the Yankees make a move to acquire Matt Holliday in the off-season?
Can you imagine the feeling of being down 5-0 to Doc? I think the answer is probably yes since we’ve been there!
Ed, that’s why I’m saying that Sheets scares me. I’d much rather insert Burnett in his place.
Joe: Unlikely.
“Give me Wang,Sabathia,Sheets,Mussina,Joba. Hughes could come up when an injury occurs.”
How can you expect Joba to be a starter the whole year? He’s pitched 97 innings this year…
I don’t know if Sheets is the answer for us. He pitched 237 innings in 2004, and until this year hadn’t thrown more than 160 since. He got close to 200 this year, and now he is having elbow problems.
He himself has said that he is scared that he may need Tommy John surgery (http://tinyurl.com/46tp6b). The last thing we need to do with the money we free up from Carl Pavano is sign another Carl Pavano.
Ed, that’s why I’m saying that Sheets scares me. I’d much rather insert Burnett in his place.
the Jays will go all out to keep him since Marcum will miss all of the 09 season. there will definitely be some fun battles this off season.
While we look forward to the new Yankee Stadium, which I fully intend to visit next year, what do you all think is the best place to stay overnight, whether it’s relatively near the stadium or somewhere like Westchester County?
another milestone made during the final week of the stadium. =(
Congratulations to Alex Rodriguez on hit #2400.
I just heard Bob Sheppard interviewed on the radio. They were asking him about his favorite stadium memories. He didn’t sound great, but it was great to hear his voice.
Keep Mussina, not Andy unless it is for long relief & he shows his shoulder is sound & he can still get people out. It was painful watching him throw a gazillions pitches each out & get pounded at least one inning every start.
Why does no one want Aceves & Coke as starters? Aceves knows how to pitch, has good movement on all his pitches & has great command & Coke is tremendously impressive & can throw strikes with great stuff.
I go back before the days of Don Gullet, & am sick of overpaying for way to many years for “ACE” pitchers. It rarely has worked out & has hurt out team’s development in so many ways. The odds of “great” starters being injury free & dominating for more than a couple of years is too remote to lock in huge $ for many unproductive years as we know all to well.
Keep Joba in the pen where he is less likely to get hurt & will help us win MANY more games than as a starter. Yes he can be a great starter but he throws so many pitches to get his outs that I think wear & tear will always be an issue, but not in the Pen. There are few Nolan Ryans out there who can do what he does for a long time.
Tuscon Ken – Long relief for Pettitte? Are you on Crack? That’s disrespectful.
Go for Holliday!
the Sux just came up 3 runs. so its 5-3 Jays.
Great, tomorrow we face another mediocre lefty. It will definately suck to be shutout in the last game at Yankee Stadium.
People probably aren’t counting on Aceves and Coke because they remember Hughes and Kennedy. I’d like to the former pair in the pen next year.
The Yankees can easily send Joba to Hawaii and let him pitch 40-50 innings. With those 40-50 innings in addition to his 97 innings he would have reached is 08 target of 140 innings.
So next year you can have him a starter from the beginning of the season.
They’re letting Hughes go to Hawaii to make up some of the innings he lost this year.
Is there anyone here who has TIVO? If so, is it very easy to use? I just called Circuit City and they tell me I don’t have to do anything through DirectTV in order to have TIVO. So I am thinking I want to go and buy it and set it up so I can see all the programming I want to between midnight tonight and tomorrow night! They said I get 80 hours of programming so I should be fine. I just hate to race out and get it and not be able to figure out how to use it!
Try 5-0 Jays.
We must win this game!
spoke with theo and he gave strict orders to eliminate the yankees on the LAST day in the terlet!
Giambi has actually played too many games at 1B. His OPS is 100 points higher as a DH.
Trisha-
Tivo in my opinion is so much better than any other DVR system. Of course it has to be, it is the original DVR system. Believe me, your life will change once you purchase a tivo!
He’s also batting 215 in the 5th spot of the order, yet he’s batting over 300 when he hits 6th or 7th…
Trisha:
Tivo in my opinion is so much better than any other DVR system. Of course it has to be, it is the original DVR system. Believe me, your life will change once you purchase a tivo!
Trisha – I don’t have TIVO, but I have a DVR through my cable company which is the same premise as TIVO and it is really easy to use.
Could this special guest be Bob Sheppard?
I have a feeling he WILL be there tomorrow!
Thanks Stacey and Fran.
I am going to probably take the rest of this game – or a good part of it – in the car then. I really have to get myself set up with TIVO for tomorrow. If I do it wrong I will not have any of the phenomenal programming coming tomorrow.
Sure it’s simple? I am going to have to leave for 4 anyway since I will have to do mass tonight since we are leaving so early tomorrow.
(I hate that I am so last minute. Just my nature!)
“Why does no one want Aceves & Coke as starters? Aceves knows how to pitch, has good movement on all his pitches & has great command & Coke is tremendously impressive & can throw strikes with great stuff.”
I’m all for seeing them as starters, I’m just not confident enough to count on them as starters for the whole year. It’s great to have guys like them to fill a void in the case of injuries. This way we count on guys we think may have a future, rather than guys like Ponson who obviously have none.
I don’t think we’d be smart to go into the offseason with 3 holes in the starting rotation to fill.
Joba can’t be counted on to be a starter for the full year, and it’s a terrible idea to move him back and forth all year between the rotation and the bullpen. I have no idea how they should handle his situation, but he has shown durability problems in college when he started, and they resurfaced as soon as he went back to starting. It could be a coincidence, but it could also be a warning sign.
Hughes should make the opening day roster…for AAA. If we were a small market team with low expectations, then I’d have no problem with seeing him take his bumps as a starter in the majors…but, this is the NYY. The expectations of a starting pitcher are sky high, and the fans in this city expect to win now. Losing now in order to win in the future is unacceptable. It isn’t fair to put all the expectations of being a starting pitcher for the NYY on a 22 year old.
Hughes will have a chance to prove himself eventually, but until then he needs to stay hungry for it in AAA. Anyone who has watched him pitched in AAA or the majors this year knows he has a lot to work on before he can satisfy the expectations. It would be a bad move to put him in a situation where the odds are stacked against him.
The 6+inning no hitter in Texas and the playoff game against the Indians were glimpses of what we may see on an everyday basis in 2-3 years, but not in 2009.
It’s not Bob Sheppard. It’s going to be the president of MetLife!
Can the game be watched on MLB.TV today? Or is it blacked out because of FOX?
Pretty sad that we can’t score any runs off of this pathetic last place team. Oh wait a minute: We’re almost as pathetic as they are……
…never mind.
Just got in.
LOL @ Strange Ed!
Aceves has that confidence on the mound that’s critical to ML success. Leiter talked about being intimidating on the mound. This kid doesn’t have big “stuff”, but the rest of it’s there.
I love how everyone’s written Andy off. No one remembers how horrible Moose is? We have 1.5 pitchers lined up for next year. Add in the sentimental factor and it’s a no-brainer. Even Hank can’t tell Andy no.
So who pulled it?
I had TiVo. I think my cable co’s DVR is much better, but thats purely based on price and extras I get. But those who have DirecTV say TiVo is awesome with that, and both are really easy to use.
Tisha- Yes, it is very simple. It’s so easy a caveman can do it! ;P
Travis- LOL
Aww, Bob!
*how horrible Moose was last year?
I haven’t written Andy off – not for one second.
Bobbbbbyyyyy
I KNEW IT!!!!
Bobby!!!
Bob !
And I don’t care who it is that bat stays where it is
Bob looked great.
Can’t wait to here him next year.
It’s on mlb.tv
well seeing bob sheppard made my day!
Wow, it WAS Bob Sheppard?! That is awesome.
So who pulls it tomorrow?
Great to see Bob pull the lever..even though it was through a video. I wonder who will pull it tomorrow. I can’t wait.
Kevin
Me!
Yogi!
For out of market, Joe?
I paid for one day last year and only found out after it was blacked out and they wouldn’t refund my money. So I’m not keen to do that again, lol.
Snoopy?
Isn’t he the Met Life mascot?
Seriously though, I’d guess George via video from Tampa.
Hey can you guys help me out? I have to watch the game on MLB’s gamecast, and the Pitch F/X data shows aceves throwing a cutter….is he or is it a slider? Sometimes that thing can’t tell the difference, I just wanna know what hes got. Thanks
So who pulls it tomorrow?
some fan that won the contest of “getting to pull the final lever and meet Girardi”
Thanks everyone for the information on TIVO. I’ve been dogging it trying to get in more of the game but my sister just told me to do it now so I am not up at 1 trying to program the thing. She’s right.
See you all later!
Love you all (ceptin for the Sux trolls)
COME ON YANKEES!!!!!
Hey the good thing about waiting to buy it is that it is very affordable now. I remember when they first came out you had to buy it through DirectTV to use it with them and it was a fortune (maybe $500?) Now I can get it for $199. Cool.
You can’t spell Aceves without Ace. LOL
Aceves, 6 strong innings! awesome. NOW SCORE SOME RUNS!!!
I heard Dave Roberts is pulling the lever tomorrow. Mariano isn’t too happy about that.
I think someone’s making their case to be in the rotation next season.
Nice play by Ransom. So smooth.
put in Sanchez, NOT Veras.
Aceves has been doing a great job getting out of trouble. It’s nice to see a rookie keep his composure in tough spots.
WHAT PITCHES DOES HE THROW???
Bob – I agree with you. I think it would be cool to have George Steinbrenner pull the lever tomorrow via video.
They don’t want to score runs today
They’re certainly not showing very much plate discipline today…
Time for some 5:00 Lightening…at 3:00
he’s not reading the ball Burres has a nasty 3/4 armslot going
hanged his arm there
hmm steal, A-Rod?
Burress is a beast, I wish we had him on our team
Sean – he’s been using a fb, change and what looks like a slider, but it’s got real short break. Short for a slider, long for a cutter. It’s a tweener.
what a shame. good weather put to waste. Come on team.
This is the inning they have to get to him now.
why can’t Giambi let ARod steal?
You would never know this Orioles pitcher wasn’t an ace.
omg, go figure Giambi would K.
hmm steal, A-Rod?
Too many swings and misses, this is the inning he might hang something they can’t afford to miss. And he missed it.
In an open competition, Aceves would beat out Hughes. Therefore, he will be the #5 starter next year. If you add Coke to the mix, it could become interesting.
I can’t wait until Giambi is off the books… the symbol of our downfall right there. Nice guy, but a bad omen.
Why do I feel like we’re getting Mo in a tie game?
Okaaay. Pitchers just need to hold the O’s.
Lets see some Humberto Sanchez
would you guy sign pedro next year to an incentive laden deal?
would you guy sign pedro next year to an incentive laden deal?
LOL HAHAHAHAHAS.
“would you guy sign pedro next year to an incentive laden deal?”
No, would you?
No. Too old. Inconsistent. He and Jorge HATE each other.
Marte didn’t fool anybody that inning, but he did his job and got the outs.
I’d sign Sheets before Pedro and that says something.
Sanchez next inning??
oh my jeezus. Can they please score a run somehow?
Alfredo Aceves is a world above Kennedy in 2009 plans. Figure Kennedy in a winter deal involving a position player.
Pedro would be another Kevin Brown or Randy Johnson. 10 years too late.
oh yeah, its the bottom of the 8th.
SA: Apparently not.
and he STRUCK OUT!!
melkyisgod September 20th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
would you guy sign pedro next year to an incentive laden deal?
Hell to the no
Neil, Absolutely. Kennedy has no future here, he is trade bait. He just has to get his value up a little then he can be shipped off.
Mo in a tie game. Yay.
That strike 3 on Betemit was a wee bit low.
Let’s go Yankee pitchers.
Looks like the team was looking ahead to tomorrow night and forgot there was a game today
Okay, that shot was amazing.
Rivera is wheeling and dealing!
Jeter walk off homer?
How cool would that be?
ER,
You are spot on with your predictions.
Girardi shares the sentiment that he would rather have Pettitte than Hughes or Kennedy. Why else would he ask him back before the GM even had a chance to discuss it? He wants proven starters next yr.
!!!
YOU DO NOT HIT THE CAPTAIN!
PLUNK TO JETER! wth…
c’mon Jetes
The conditions of this game are identical to the one where Jeter hit the walkoff against the Sox in April of 05
Lets jump that full
Wow that sucks.
fool *
if Jeter isn’t playing tomorrow, there will be a riot!!!
….
This isn’t happening. He *has* to play tomorrow, or at least have an AB…
Hitting Derek. tsk tsk
Go take 3rd Brett !
Wow. That’s just…Wow…
Hope x-rays are negative, but he looks hurt and pissed.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Derek react that way. He might have to hit one handed tomorrow.
A-rod walk off today… Jeter walkoff tomorrow.
it is destiny
how do you take those pitches ?
arod got very very lucky.
Jeter has to have an AB tomorrow. If not..
Steal home Brett!
A-Rod got lucky. I thought I saw people getting ready to light torches.
Steal home, Brett.
I love Gardner, he can just make so much happen.
lol, Rebecca.
Great minds…
1st and 3rd- one out. If they cant get a run in, that will just sum up the entire season.
Could ya possibly squeeze with the stache’?
I can’t believe how much I want the Yankees to win today and tomorrow. The Stadium deserves a grand sendoff
Even if Jeter doesn’t take the bat off his shoulders in any AB, he HAS to be in the lineup. The result is meaningless, this is a tribute game.
mel: Indeed.
We will see the 10th inning
Damn, G.
Giambi, you swung at ball four.
Is Giambi off the team yet?
Robi Cano …for the win ?
Mr. Smooth with the walk off?
Let’s go, Cano!
Let’s go, Cano!
Let’s go, Cano!
Why did Alex steal 2nd? His run means nothing…….now they walked Nady
yaaya
Walker needs to give up on the ‘stache.
Cano needs to make them pay. Remember the lessons, Grasshopper.
lol, stupid O’s!
Yankees Win!!!!!
Robbie Cano, whad’dya know?!
They make this one memorable, and, more importantly, tomorrow’s game still matters.
CANO- don’t you know!!!!
The Yankee Ghosts had came out!!!
Nice job Robby
Yanks win, Sox lose Always a good day
ROBI !
Boston loses!!!!!
Glad that the Yanks won. And Mo gets the win.
Feel bad for Derek. The way Monahan was holding Derek’s hand did not look good. Hopefully Derek can at least make an appearance tomorrow night and then shut it down for the last week of the season if he has to.
Yes!! I knew there was a reason why the O’s didn’t pull off that double play – it was meant to happen. How appropriate that Robby came through………Yes!
2009 Yankee
Rotation:
1.CC
2.Wang
3.Burnett
4.Mussina or Pettitte
5.Aceves
Relief:
1.Joba(set man)
2.Bruney
3.Marte
4.Coke
5.Albaladejo
Closer:Mo
Line up:
1B:Teixeira(hope)
2B:Cano
3B:A-Rod
SS-Jeter
RF:Nady
CF:?
LF:Matt Holladay(hope)
C:?
DH:Manny
Still alive! Haha. 7 more wins and 6 more sox losses = playoffs!
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE NUMBER OF RBI’S A-ROD HAD FROM THE 7TH INNING ON THIS YEAR?
Girardi just kind of put his hands on Cano’s face, as if to say he’s proud of him………aww
WooHoo!
Nice scene. Too bad Jeter’s not there.
I’m sure that Miller feels bad. But that won’t fix Jeter’s hand.
Betsy =
I saw that. It was a great moment!
How fast is Gardner that he can run home to score and still be the first person to get to Cano to celebrate.
cha-ching!!!!! They are alive finally..
Jeter better be OK!!!
So here’s the scenerio the Sox if they win 3 more it’s over, if they lose 3..they have a chance. It’s not a good shot but it’s the only one they have.
pat -
I didn’t notice that – that’s cool!
Hughes for Prince Fielder?
The Giants are talking about a Cain for Fielder swap, that would be a steal for SF.
We need to throw our hat in the ring
Our playoff hopes are alive !
Really hope Jeter is alright.
“So here’s the scenerio the Sox if they win 3 more it’s over”
2 more
Bravo! What a tribute there by YES…
Brandon the magic number is 2.
Yanks need a 4-0 and red Sox need a 1-4 to go into Fenway with a shot or Yanks need a 3-1 and the Sox go 0-5, and the Sox have 4 at home vs the Indians not looking good, and the Yanks have to face Burnett and Doc to, but who cares still alive today, and tomorrow counts.
Boston only has to win 2 more.
Actually really only 1 more to guarantee a tie.
Can the Yanks win their next 4, while Boston loses 4 of their next 5? We’d go into Bosotn 3 back next weekend.
About a .000001% chance of that happening, but it sure would be something if it did.
well… i guess jeter WON’T be playing golf in october.
Cano froze up when he saw Girardi come up to congratulate him. He’s like a little kid afraid of his dad.
I want tomorrow’s game so badly.
And I want it in dramatic fashion… a 3-2 game where we get a clutch hit late and MO slams the door or a walkoff HR.
The emotion in that place tomorrow will be surreal.
the very, very, longshot goal is to be 3 back of the Red Sox on Friday night, when the yankees would have it in their hands to win four straight – probably impossible, but that’s what it is.
For that to happen, the Yankees need to go 4-0 until then and the Red Sox 1-4.
Bravo! What a tribute there by YES…
What did they do?
At least I got to watch the game on a Saturday.
Unfortunatley though it was the Orioles broadcast.
If Jeter has a broken hand, or if he can’t play tomorrow……….grrrrrrrr.
I’m getting all emotional now. I just love YS so much and it breaks my heart that I am not going to get to see it again. My father had an opportunity to get tickets to tomorrow’s game, but didn’t jump on it quickly enough. Sigh.
The new YS is going to be magnificent and I love that it’s going to be a look-alike for the old one, but man, this is the only Stadium I’ve known. YES played Sinatra singing “There used to be a Ballpark”……I teared up. Wow. I’m taping everything about YS tomorrow so I can have it to look back on.
Fielder is hitting about 260 which in the AL means 225-230. He hit homers but he cant run or defend.
bad scouting
Glad Robbie got the big hit, hes been one of the scape goats glad he had success today. Very few teams have a # 7 hitter with that talent. he`ll be ok
So, who has done the math for the Yanks to come from behind Boston to get the wildcard?
giambi sucks
September 20th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
how is that a steal? fielder is a DH and cain is a lefty ace
Did Cain become a lefty ace this morning? Great…NYY always needs versitile pitchers that throw right and left handed. Imagine Cain and Venditte in the rotation by themselves.
cc, i know…. girardi should have never benched him. all he is doing is alienating his players.
For that to happen, the Yankees need to go 4-0 until then and the Red Sox 1-4.
Forget what I said it’s impossible, if the magic # was 3 I could see it but not at 2.
Cain’s an ace? I’ve only seen him struggle.
***versatile*** like me. I can spell words two ways.
cain is a lefty ace
please do your research first. Cain is a RIGHTY not a LEFTY.
to win it without a playoff, Red Sox would have to go 0-8, Yankees 7-0. With a playoff, Red Sox 1-8, Yankees 8-0.
I thought the Yankees skip Halladay next week…
Aceves reminds me of El Duque, a guy who just knows how to pitch and can be a big game pitcher.
So nice to see young pitchers like Him, Joba, Coke etc. come up and just pound the zone and be aggressive and confident, a welcome change from Hughes/Kennedy/Ohlendorf/Clippard/Karstens and the rest of them we saw earlier.
Cain for Fielder is a steal for Milwaukee not the Giants. Cain is the better player.
lol anyone see pavano jump on the celebration pile at 1st base?
Tomorrow is Giambi’s last day in a Yankee home uniform. If he doesn’t realize it then he’s got rocks in his head.
As for the Giants/Brewers hot stove rumor. it’s a steal for the Giants. Melvin (the Brewers GM) is an idiot, he could get alot more for Fielder and Hardy. if Fielder and Hardy for Cain does happen, the Brew Crew fans will riot.
He is a mediocre pitcher with mediocre numbers on an awful team in an awful league. The Yankees probably have guys just as good or better that they do not plan on putting in the rotation.
This is the AL East, you will need 4 high end starters to compete.
roy halladay will pitch at home on thursday against the yanks. he will be going for his 20th win of the season.
For that to happen, the Yankees need to go 4-0 until then and the Red Sox 1-4.
Forget what I said it’s impossible, if the magic # was 3 I could see it but not at 2.
Makes looking back on those 4 or 5 games that they really did in fact give away this season really frustrating. As bad as this team is this season, we really should be within a few games of a playoff spot right now.
Depends what the Jays want to do with Doc. They have the off day Monday which means if they wanted to skip someone he could pitch Thursday on normal rest since he pitched today.
Cain isn’t even the best pitcher on his team.
eyes,
Giambi knows the deal.
I’m really happy that we will still technically be in it even if the Red Sox win tomorrow. It’s good to see that every game in the Bronx will count for something. It will be sad to have a meaningless game close out the Stadium. Let’s hope that Pettite gives us a pre-August 2008 performance.
Will Mariano be available tomorrow?
CC on Fox.
I dont understand how people are putting Girardi down for benching cano? IMO this should have been done months ago. I think playing lazy like he tends to is something that would piss other players off.
I think Burnett pitches Thursday…
Mark,
Brett would’ve made that play on Lee’s double.
Bob part of me wonders had Hideki Matsui not returned because Gardner was starting to hit we were in a bit of a streak and then bang another lineup adjustment and Johnny in CF didn’t help us.
Right now all I care about is the Yankees not being eliminated tomorrow.
Girardi told me that I’m lined up to pitch the 1-game playoff on Sept. 29. Hope we can keep it going.
Christina,
The benching was a last resort. They all talked to Cano and it didn’t work. These guys are trying to make Girardi look like an ogre.
Girardi needs young players to mold. Not old players turning to mold.
Agree with Bob,
Girardis “throw away games” there are quite a few. Those in April, May when he had bullpen tryouts. early in the season when he was sitting some of his best guys as healthy scratches. Those post game interviews where he says “we have a lot of baseball to play”
Games early in the season when he got behind early and gave up by putting in subs or weak bullpen pitchers. Those times he stayed with the starter until the game got out of hand.
They all add up, looking at it now if we had back even 3 or 4 of those senseless losses we might still have a shot
Girardi don’t pitch CC on 3 days rest next year Thanks.
good job BB, you’re the next brian cashman
Gonna need to get some outs CC
nj.com says X-rays on Jeter are negative. He’ll be sore tomorrow but I’ll guess in the game.
Halladay and Burrnett will face the Yanks no matter what, with(out) normal or short rest.
Robi has definitely played harder since his benching and the batting stance change has had him give better ABs..I agree on another thing Joe can’t have this team in 2008 infested w/ veteran superstars only a select few listen and that won’t benefit this team in 09′ pitching or no pitching.
Cain needs a change of scenery, he will be fine. Nasty stuff, only 24 yrs old, better than Hughes.
If I’m Melvin, why would I want Hughes over Cain? Cain has better stuff than Hughes and a higher ceiling.
Make no mistake, either Hughes or Cain would be a steal for NYY or SF, but the Brewers can get a much better deal than that for Fielder.
Mark,
Didn’t realize we’re watching different games. If CC comes, e needs to start ST a month later and take the first month of the season off. His ERA got as high as 13 this season.
If the Yankees win tomorrow and the Sox lose we stay alive for Monday. Is it possible?
Per Joe, Jeter’s hand isn’t broken……..whew
girardi has a very creepy laugh
Thanks, pat.
“early in the season when he was sitting some of his best guys as healthy scratches.”
Yes, I remember those and it didn’t make any sense to me at the time…you go with what’s working-there’s plenty of time to rest in the off-season…
In the old days would they have rested Dimaggio? Ruth? Gehrig? I mean, I don’t konw…did they do the same thing back then?
I doubt it…
Betsy – did you notice that Joe did not look too happy when he said that it always seems to be Baltimore that hits him!
He is average in the NL which means below average in the Al
Brandon:
Gardner was never starting to hit. He had a couple decent games against a bad KC staff. That was it. Leading up to those 2 games, he was 1 for his last 17. He has not, at any point in ’08, looked the part of a major league hitter.
Where exactly does girardi hold his post game interview? Torre always did it in his office, im curious if joe objected to that?
Girardi postgame
Great for Robbie….We are seeing the results of the adjustment he made with K. Long…Derek’s hand not broken, he’ll be sore but he’ll be in there….It’s scary to see him hit and it seems to happen against this club more than others….ACeves has good composure, he has the ability to control the running game and field his position. There’s alot of things this young man does right….He’s pputting himself in position to compete for a job next year….It’s good see out system is producing good players to help us at this level. You don;t make too much of Septmeber but it’s important that we can see they can compete….Our goal is to win every game….It started hitting me today that we have 1 left here and there were some areas I looked at today that were important to me in my career….I took some dirt from home plate today…We are still alive and that’s all you can ask for….This building should close on a win and that would be pretty special tommorow.
Brandon, Agree 100%. Joe needs more young kids and role players that he can mold into what he wants and will do whatever he asks of them.
The vets were the ones spreading the anonymous quotes expressing their disgruntlement and we need to ship some of them off. Otherwise, there is no point in having Joe here because he can only control 1\2 the clubhouse while the other half marches to their own drum.
Joe usually does it in his office but I think they may have changed that this homestand to accomadate what I imagine to be more members of the media
The Cano benching was necessary. Cano is a big reason why our hitting was flat this year. Maybe the Cano benching is a turning point for the Giardi Administration. Maybe we’re getting a manager who’s more comfortable with his job. Buck Showalter had 76 wins in 1992 and within three years, we were in the playoffs (would have been 2 if it wasn’t for the strike).
Christina – he held the post-game interviews in his office quite often, but if it is a big game or there is a lot of media he does it in the the Yankee Stadium press room.
Sabathia labored hard in the 1st. 26 pitches. Looks like a panic move by Milwaukee that may go awry.
If the Yankees win tomorrow and the Sox lose we stay alive for Monday. Is it possible?
It ain’t over til it’s over.
The odds of us going into Boston still alive are somehwere between slim and none, but you never know. Historic collapses/runs always start out as unrealistic things.
I wouldn’t put money on it or anything, but at least there still is that tiny, microscopic thread of hope to hang onto.
mel
September 20th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Cain isn’t even the best pitcher on his team.
eyes,
Giambi knows the deal.
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You’re correct, Mel. I’d prefer Barry Zito in a deal over Cain, too.
j/k, kiddies
Thanks fran!
oh and Thanks Rebecca too!! I wasn’t sure but that makes sense!
did not like how jetes was holding his hand. didn’t look to good to me. heres to hoping for jete.
“Maybe the Cano benching is a turning point for the Giardi Administration”
I’d buy into this notion if he benched him when the games still had meaning. Doing it when the horse had long ago left the barn is akin to benching a star basketball player when his team is done 20 with three minutes to go.
The Yanks have looked fantastic on this home stand. It’s to bad they couldn’t have played this way all along, but at least the stadium is being sent out the right way. I’m relieved Jetes hand isn’t broken. Lets hope Andy can get it together for one more big game tomorrow.
The odds of us going into Boston still alive are somehwere between slim and none, but you never know. Historic collapses/runs always start out as unrealistic things.
the Yankee ghosts had came out and not leaving till they have the Yanks making it to the playoffs.
seriously, I looked at the probable pitchers for the Indian/Red Sox series, game 1 will be an easy win for the Sox. Zach Jackson is struggling. Cliff Lee will go for game 2. As for game 3 and 4, who knows?
as for the Yanks/Blue Jays, we are going to face Halladay and Burnett no matter what.
lol Man how bad would Cashman look if he didn’t trade Hughes for the best pitcher in baseball but trades him for that slug Fielder. Not like it matters, Brewers wouldn’t trade Fielder for Hughes anyway.
No matter what happens, it’s important to the team that they finish on a good note.
I know it’s a long season, but the Yankees need to learn sustained effort over the course of a season.
Young players can bring the kind of energy you need to do that.
As a fan, I just want to see a good effort every game. It hasn’t always produced the result we want, but I’ve seen the effort lately.
OMG. Imagine Jeter not playing in the final YS game.
Not like it matters, Brewers wouldn’t trade Fielder for Hughes anyway.
Yes they would, Cash or whoever it is better not do it.
No point in trading Hughes when his value is so low, wait for him to get it back up next year, then trade him. By that time Garcia, McAllister, De La Rosa etc, would be in Scranton ready to contribute and we can ship off Hughes to accelerate the rebuilding of the lineup.
You guys realize Fielder is gonna weigh about 500 lbs. in a year or 2?
I wouldn’t want anything to do with him.
Brandon, If Cain is on the table why would a GM take Hughes instead?
Realistically, we won’t be in the playoffs but I have a little bit of hope that we could hold on this week. Will the Baseball gods allow the last game at the Stadium to be a regular season game?
“OMG. Imagine Jeter not playing in the final YS game.”
He’ll play. NO way he doesn’t get at least one at bat. I could see him hitting in the first and being pulled if the reaches to a raucous ovation. In the alternative, he goes out to short for the Top of the 2nd and is pulled to a raucous ovation.
Hughes isn’t going anywhere. He just got new glasses.
Pretty lame postgame. They cut it 30 minutes short and the only one interviewed was Girardi.
* if HE reaches
Will the Baseball gods allow the last game at the Stadium to be a regular season game?
You mean the ones who let us blow a 3-0 lead to Boston in ’04?
Maybe they owe us one for that. lol
Imagine Fielder AND CC on the same team?
And imagine if Alabaladejo and Britton are in the bullpen?
Girardi’s better allow Candy or they will all alienate him.
Christina
September 20th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
I dont understand how people are putting Girardi down for benching cano? IMO this should have been done months ago. I think playing lazy like he tends to is something that would piss other players off.
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I don’t think that Cano play in the field would have happened had he been hitting. I’m sure that not being able to do what he’s always been able to do (hit) was frustrating and he took that into the field. The lack of concentration was annoying and inexcusable, but, where was Girardi and Long that it took more than 4 months to find a flaw in his batting stance? That’s a pretty drastic difference between last year’s and this year’s stance. His lead foot was nearly two feet back from last year’s. When he’s hitting, his defense is borderline dazzling. It’s an issue that he needs to deal with, taking his offense out to the field with him and vice versa.
Maybe the Baseball gods are setting the table for the Yankees to knock the Red Sox out of the playoffs next week to compensate us for 2004.
pat,
that was an awful postgame. What’s the rush? no aceves? no cano? no jeter? no rivera?
Dr. J,
The hefty pitchers (inc. Sanchez) need to take a page out of Bruney’s book.
BTW, great job by Aceves. In all the excitement we forget that the pitching was great.
Sabathia with another hit… this one off Cueto. Guys, there is no way he is leaving the NL for any amount of money
On to Burnett….
great win for the home team at the ole ballpark today!! Robbie looked like a little kid on Christmas morning running to 1b. He’s such a good kid. I really hope he can put it all together for good next year.
anyway, I passed nostalgic some time ago and am deep into downright sentimental right now. I
The common misconception is that the baseball g-ds owe us.
They don’t.
We owe them.
If they owe anyone anything, they owe the Cubs. End of story.
With Aceves, it is not about just results but he is aggressive and confident. =
I have a feeling he will easily win an open competition with Hughes or Kennedy to be the 5th starter next year just because he is aggressive and confident at all times. Doesn’t nibble or lose his command.
But we need to have FOUR reliable, proven starters next year. Four guys who we know can throw 200 innings and give us a chance to win every game.
“anyway, I passed nostalgic some time ago and am deep into downright sentimental right now. I…”
…love getting my posts cut off by lohud. heh.
what i meant was, I love this team and this franchise with all I am, and God bless this wonderful ballpark and all the fantastic memories it has brought us over the years. Now let’s go get em tomorrow, and every game for the rest of the season! YANKEE PRIDE!!!
//If the Yankees win tomorrow and the Sox lose we stay alive for Monday. Is it possible?//
Sorry Rob, I have to say no.
Dice-K is 8-0 on the road this year and Toronto has to throw a AAA pitcher!
The pressure of not being eliminated on the last home game at Yank Stad will be unbearable for the Yankees players and since we know how good they play under pressure. I say the end of the season will be officially over tomorrow.
ARod will pull an October-ish 0-4 with 3 strikes outs!
Bob-
I think Fielder already weighs 500 pounds!
Dr. J.-
Imagine CC and Fielder on the same plane and you in the middle seat!
Too little, too late. All of us feel good at the moment and that is nice. However, I for one will not forgive or forget that Cano should have been benched MONTHS ago. What a joke. Also the unbelievable bad hitting of this team with RISP. A- Rod will not be getting a pass on the entire year because that Yankees took 2 in a row from the O’s Please
Imagine CC/Fielder and The Grinch Of Diet Coke on the same plane.
Too little, too late. All of us feel good at the moment and that is nice. However, I for one will not forgive or forget that Cano should have been benched MONTHS ago. What a joke. Also the unbelievable bad hitting of this team with RISP. A- Rod will not be getting a pass on the entire year because that Yankees took 2 in a row from the O’s Please
Nobody is forgetting or forgiving any of that.
We’re just trying to enjoy the last few days of the baseball season and the Stadium before the long winter and offseason start.
Enjoying meaningless games beats having no baseball to enjoy for 6 months.
btw, Aceves unassisted DP today was absolutely amazing. The most amazing part actually may have been that he smiled after he turned it, lol. Usually he is the silent/emotionless assasin (sp?) up there?
I am a bit leary of rookie domination in Sept., especially after Kennedy last year, but I think we may really have a keeper in him.
Also…I only caught a bit of the postgame but it seemed fairly devoid of info. on Jeter after that HBP. So help me God, if he can’t play tomorrow, I will go up to Baltimore, find that dirty crab eater that drilled him, and make him sorry he ever threw a baseball in his life. lol. Seriously…Jeter HAS to play. Wouldnt be right without him. Anyone hear any updates on his condition that I may have missed?
Bob I guess you are right. I just have not re- learned how to enjoy meaningless baseball. Even though I am 50 and spent many years watching tons of meaningless baseball I ” misremembered ” how to do it.
Mike: Why worry about any of that stuff right now? We all know it to be true, sure, but personally, I will enjoy the last moments of the Stadium now, and fret about the team’s shortcomings in the winter….at which point most will probably hopefully be fixed anyway
“Seriously…Jeter HAS to play. Wouldnt be right without him. Anyone hear any updates on his condition that I may have missed?”
Scratch that, Pete’s got the 411 on the new post.
Okay, so now we can’t enjoy wins?
E-Rod-
Agree we need four reliable quality starters next year to compete in our division. To me that means we should make every attempt to sign two quality FA starters to go along with Wang, with the possibility that Joba will be starting out in the bullpen.
In the case of Mussina I would consider an innings incentive contract that would enable him to pitch one more year after next for 300 wins.
In the case of Pettitte, go home, stay in shape and off the juice, and maybe we’ll call you for a comeback in June/July if needed as you clearly faded down the stretch.
Ideally I’d like to see Burnett and Sabathia on the team[ if they pass a physical and MRI's on their entire body!!]
Others I’d consider would be Dempster, likely to resign with Cubs and Lackey, likely to have his rather cheap 9M option picked up by the Angels.
There are other FA’s, and “possible” FA’s out there but they all have issues- Sheets, Garland, Lohse, Lowe, Penny, Wolf.
Thoughts???
if only Cano made that double play in the game with Red Sox, we still would have a realistic chance for the playoffs.
BBFan
September 20th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
if only Cano made that double play in the game with Red Sox, we still would have a realistic chance for the playoffs.
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So NYY doesn’t have a chance now because of one play? I’m sure there was at least one other time that a game turned on one play, one pitch or one at bat.
We didn’t lose the playoffs because of Cano. It was an entire team failure, and you can’t blame it all on injuries. Every contending team in the AL had injuries/issues except maybe the Angels who went virtually unscathed this year.
“We’ll” be Back!!
i nominate charles “i forgot about that 75 k” rangel as the next yankee g.m. and nancy “rev. mother sister” as our next skipper!
Just got back from the game, couldn’t have asked for a more perfect day… no traffic either way, made it into monument park, great weather, excellent game. Thanks for 23 years of great memories, Yankee Stadium… what a way to end it!
The yankees have to build a pitching staff excluding joba,hughes,coke,aceves until they prove themselves.
Right now they have wang,that’s it.
They could bring mussina back as the 4th or 5th guy but pettitte is a huge risk,we can’t keep going with the same pitchers every year and expecting different results(insanity).
Pettitte said girardi asked him to come back.
The yankes need to sign at least one frontline pitcher and trade for another frontline one like billingsley.
If they can trade for him and sign cc and mussina they have cc,wang,billingsley,mussina,joba,pretty sweet.
Now you can limit joba as the 5th starter,spot start some pitchers to keep joba’s innings down.
They need to trade a bunch of prospects to fix the center field,first base and pitching problems.
Cano,aceves,coke for billingsley,hughes and a prospect or two for a center fielder and some prospects for a first baseman.
It won’t be a bad thing to trade these players as long as we get good young players in return and replace hughes.
Billingsley right now is much better than hughes and cano can be replaced.
We keep fielding the same team every year with no pitching.
Coke and acevese’s stock is high,trade them now before it is to late.
There is a quick and easy way out of this and after sabathia there aren’t any pitchers worth taking a risk on so a trade is needed.
“I ask you to direct your attention . . . to me, Bob Sheppard.” Classic. And classy.