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The latest thoughts from Hank

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 23, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Huge fraud Yankees co-chairperson Hank Steinbrenner writes a column for The Sporting News, which apparently is still publishing. Anyway, here are the highlights of his latest missive:

On revenue sharing: “That’s a system I don’t particularly like. It’s a socialist system, and I don’t agree with it. Does it work? It depends on your point of view. But is it right? Is it even American? I’d argue no on both of those points.”

On the divisional setup: “If you want to talk about things that infuriate me about the game today, revenue sharing doesn’t top the list. The biggest problem is the divisional setup in major league baseball. I didn’t like it in the 1970s, and I hate it now. Baseball went to a multidivision setup to create more races, rivalries and excitement. But it isn’t fair. You see it this season, with plenty of people in the media pointing out that Joe Torre and the Dodgers are going to the playoffs while we’re not. This is by no means a knock on Torre — let me make that clear—but look at the division they’re in. If L.A. were in the A.L. East, it wouldn’t be in the playoff discussion. The A.L. East is never weak.”

On Joe Torre: “I’m happy for Joe, but you have to compare the divisions and the competition. What if the Yankees finish the season with more wins than the Dodgers but the Dodgers make the playoffs? Does that make the Dodgers a better team? No.”

On his case for the divisional setup not being good for the game: “Go back to the 2006 season. St. Louis winning the World Series — that was ridiculous. The Cardinals won their division with 83 wins — two fewer than the Phillies, who missed the postseason. People will say the Cardinals were the best team because they won the World Series. Well, no, they weren’t. They just got hot at the right time. They didn’t even belong in the playoffs. And neither does a team from the N.L. West this season.”

On the media: “The divisional setup is not right by any definition of logic. But the sports media rarely deals with logic — so you never read about this.”

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A few points: The last Yankees team that won the World Series had 87 wins. There were eight other teams in baseball with more wins that season. So apparently the Yankees weren’t the best team that season, they just got hot at the right time, right Hank? I guess the Yankees should give that trophy back.

It’s also funny to hear him talk about “the 1970s.” Hank was born in 1957, making him a teenager for most of the 1970s. But obviously he was thinking deep thoughts about the divisional setup as he spent his dad’s money.

Run Brian Cashman, run as fast as you can.

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195 Responses to “The latest thoughts from Hank”

  1. DG September 23rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I don’t think any of those comments were very smart on Hank’s account. He needs to just be quite and do his job as an owner, shut up and pay the players. No what infuriates me Hank? That you didn’t show up to the last game at Yankee Stadium.

  2. gayle September 23rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    As I said earlier one word…. Seattle

  3. frits September 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    hank is not in charge and you know it. he’s probably third on the totum pole. saying something like “Run Brian Cashman, run as fast as you can” is poor journalism and a cheap substitute for real analysis.

  4. Rebecca--Optimist Prime September 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    I actually agree, to a point, about the divisional set up.

    The four best teams should make the postseason. This year, that likely means the Yankees are out of it, but it means teams like the Brewers, who have played well most of the year, get in.

    The unbalanced schedule helps allay some of these feelings, but a team with 83 wins shouldn’t, by any logical reason, win the World Series.

    about the revenue sharing, though–I don’t care if it’s ‘unamerican’ it’s great for baseball.

    There’s no coincidence that baseball’s had some of its best attendance lately, with the advent of rs.

  5. frits September 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    totum? totem?

  6. RCK September 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Yes. When I think MLB pinko commies is definitely the first adjective that pops into my head.

  7. sabernar September 23rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Except, Abe, that you forgot one thing. That Big Hank is actually right on this point. The Divisional setup isn’t best for baseball, it’s best for revenue. Not necessarily the same thing.

  8. Betsy September 23rd, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Hank is such a blowhard; who cares what he has to say? Even the media hardly takes him seriously anymore……finally.

    However, I do see Hank as the major stumbling block in trying to retain Cash. Cash has a good relationship with Hal and Hal really runs things, but it’s comments like this from Hank that have to make Brian want to tear the hair out of his head. Hank needs to be muzzed, seriously. It’s pathetic and embarrasing.

    On another topic, I love how Francesca just will not criticize Omar Minaya; I think Fatso is in love with Mr. Met. The Mets bullpen stinks and when a caller stated that Omar needs to take the blame for it, all Fatso would do is ask what Omar should have done – that he lost his closer for much of the 2nd half of the year. LOL He jumps at any chance to trash Brian Cashman, but his precious Omar? Teflon, absolute teflon. Nothing sticks to that man.

  9. The Panoramic Vista Roof in Jeter's Edge September 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    this entry is for the gays, you must be really bored Peter Abe

  10. YankCrank20 September 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Every time Hank opens his mouth it makes me more confident that Cash$ is leaving town

  11. Fredo Corleone September 23rd, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    “The A.L. East is never weak.”

    Real student of the game, the Hankster is. AL East is pretty clearly the best division in the game THIS YEAR. Last decade or so, that has not been the case more often than not. Aside from this year and 2003, the AL East wasn’t the best division in the AL, nevemrind baseball.

    Hank is an effin’ baby.

  12. zellyanks91 September 23rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    He made a few good points…haha. Hank is taking the same steps as his father did. George was once new to the game as well..and was clueless. As time went on…George learned.

    Kevin

  13. gayle September 23rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Betsey–

    Mike and Omar are friends he is loathe to criticize him.

    On another note with regard to the NEW stadium I know that home plate to backstop is 20 feet less but have been unable to find other foul to end of play dimensions and in looking at some of the new photos looks like there is less space on both the first and 3rd base sides. Anyone know if there is a difference or is it the same.

  14. Patrick â„¢ September 23rd, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Hmm basically everything he said is valid so I don’t see the problem here.

  15. Brian September 23rd, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    I hate to say it but the Dodgers are better than the Yankees right now.

  16. stu September 23rd, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    “hank is not in charge and you know it. he’s probably third on the totum pole. saying something like “Run Brian Cashman, run as fast as you can” is poor journalism and a cheap substitute for real analysis.”

    Exactly … Peter, no offense but that was a stupid comment to make. Hal Steinbrenner is the one who has his hands on the purse strings and is more influential in organizational decisions than Hank could ever be … you know that to be true.

    As far as I am concerned, Hank has replaced Randy Levine who, in recent years, had become something like the organizations “mouth piece”. Funny how you never hear from him anymore … and thank God for that … he was on-par with Hank for sound-bites that were beyond ridiculous.

    Let Hank pop off all he wants … so what … when it comes time to figure what the roster will be like in ’09, I will rest easy knowing which Steinbrenner son has legitimate input and which one just thinks he does.

  17. Bob(The Original) September 23rd, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    The bigeest problem in my opinion is the unbalanced schedule. I absolutely hate it. Teams fighting for the same playoff spots should be playing the same schedules.

    Unfortunatley since it gets such great attendence, interleague play is going nowhere and we are stuck with the unbalanced schedule.

  18. Joe September 23rd, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    He really is a chip off the old boss

  19. no.27 September 23rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Arguing for a balanced schedule is one thing, but comparing the Yankees playoff chances to teams in the NL doesn’t make any sense. No one in the Yankees organization was complaining when everyone in the division was terrible except the Yankees and the Red Sox. I like the current system because its more entertaining, and thats really what baseball is about for me. I’d much rather see the Yankees play the Red Sox 19 times a year than have more games against the Rangers or Mariners.

  20. Skippy September 23rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    No reason for Cashman to run–he knows that Hal is the one who’s really running things and they apparently get along well. Hank is just the designated big mouth.

  21. Save Us September 23rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    I agree with Hot Air Hank here. The Yankees may even end with a better record than the team who wins the AL Central. The NL is weak anyway. I hate when people say torre this and torre that for being in the playoff picture. The Yankees have a much better record than the dodgers. 6 or 7 games or something like that. They may barely be at 500 when the season ends.

  22. Guiseppe Franco September 23rd, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    I’ve said all season that Hanks is a total buffoon and Hal is the guy who runs this team.

    That assessment couldn’t be more dead on as we’ve witnessed the last several months.

  23. bartonbickle September 23rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Peter,

    Once again you need to keep your biases in check and relax. I realize that the journalist in you has a need to make a story out of everything that everyone says, but this is getting out of hand.

  24. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut September 23rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    There are many people who agree with Hank on the Division set up, the Revenue Stealing.

    The Revenue Stealing just goes against every fiber of my being. This isn’t the Soviet Union or Communist China. If teams want more revenue then earn it.

    The Yankees were in terrible shape when Steinbrenner bought the team. He built it into the powerhouse it is.

    Yes, you can delude yourself that its working for baseball now, but it won’t last. Just like what happened with the banks. You pump money into a club that can’t support itself and sooner or later it crashes.

    Then you have teams like the Marlins who pocket the majority of any money stream they have coming in.

    The Yankees are hated because they have success. They spend a lot of money to put a quality team on the field. They invest in the team. Give me that over teams who don’t anyday.

  25. Save Us September 23rd, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    The four best teams should make the postseason. This year, that likely means the Yankees are out of it, but it means teams like the Brewers, who have played well most of the year, get in.

    Take a look, it is going to be close between Chicago and Yankees for the 4th best record.

  26. Patrick Bateman September 23rd, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Run Cashman, and take Ian Kennedy with you.

  27. Save Us September 23rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    On Revenue Sharing, why the Hal should the Yankees have to give money to a team like Minnesota? Their owner is worth $2 Billion. Sorry he is cheap, but that is ridiculous to ask teams who spend to put good teams out to give money to rich owners who cant pry their checkbooks from their a$s.

  28. alext September 23rd, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Peter, I must say that I am disappointed in your assumption that Hank Steinbrenner was not thinking deep thoughts because he was a youth for most of the 1970s.

    Though the 70s have a reputation for drug use and war protest, major events and major trends do not characterize every individual.

    Hank could very well have been an intelligent, deep thinker at a young age. I know plenty of young people, ages 15-25, that would be considered post-conventional thinkers. It’s not unheard of and I find it quite offensive that you would engage in age discrimination on your blog.

    Belittling Hank is your own agenda and you have your own personal issues with him, but this is no stage to be criticizing him. When you’ve proven that you’re more apt at his job, feel free to throw ad-hominem insults. Until then, I’d stick to some fair, objective journalism.

  29. GarrettAnne September 23rd, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    “So apparently the Yankees weren’t the best team that season, they just got hot at the right time, right Hank?”

    That is correct. The 2000 Yankees only won 87 games. They had the worst record of any of the 8 playoff teams that year. They were certainly not the best team in baseball that year, but they got hot at the right time. Ditto with the Cardinals in 2006. They were a mediocre team that lucked into the playoffs because everyone else in their division was even worse. Once you get in the playoffs, any team can win. Just count the number of wild card teams that have won world titles since 1997.

    Do you really believe that the 2006 cardinals were the creme of the crop of all baseball teams in 2006? Please. Remember that Jeff Weaver turned in many postseason gems for them to accomplish their world championship. Does that mean jeff Weaver is a good pitcher? of course not. He is terrible. He just got on a good streak. That doesn’t make the Cardinals some dominant powerhouse no-brainer pick as best team in baseball for all of 2006. They got lucky. The 2006 Yankees even would have destroyed them even with a mediocre pitching staff. Similarly, the 2000 Yankees were not the best team in baseball. The Giants and White Sox were the best teams in each league but just ran into a bad week of play during the playoffs.

  30. Fredo Corleone September 23rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    “Yes, you can delude yourself that its working for baseball now, but it won’t last. Just like what happened with the banks. You pump money into a club that can’t support itself and sooner or later it crashes”

    Crashes eh??? Like it has in the NFL?

  31. Mike S. September 23rd, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    The Mouth That Roared does have a few good points. I don’t like the setup either. I won’t take anything away from the 2000 Yanks or the 2006 Cards, but when I think of the 1942 Dodgers or 1954 Yankees…

    But lets look at something here. With their revenue stream, only three other teams in their division and who those other teams are, we can conclude that the Angels should make the playoffs for fifteen consecutive years or so. That division is a joke.

  32. PlecoPlate September 23rd, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    The New York Giants won the superbowl earlier this year. But clearly the Patriots were the best team in football. If they played 100 games against each other, the Patriots probably wouild have won at least 75% of those games, probably more. Getting hot for one month may very well get you a ring, but it doesn’t mean you are the best team in the league.

  33. Save Us September 23rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    There should be 15 teams in each league. Im sure those idiots who make the schedule can find a way to make sure no team is off more than one day.

  34. Save Us September 23rd, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    And I really thought Hank would have a comment on how the Yankees start and end the season on the road, where Boston starts and ends the season at home.

  35. Fredo Corleone September 23rd, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Mike S:

    Since 1999, the AL West has been the AL’s best division more frequently than the AL East has.

  36. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut September 23rd, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    There is a difference between having a salary cap to taking money that doesn’t belong to you.

  37. John in Ohio September 23rd, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Francesca actually has a bigger head than Mr. Met.

    I don’t disagree with everything Hank said here. And, why should Cashman run? He’s been able to do what he wants under these guys. He’s always prevailed….hasn’t he?

  38. Fredo Corleone September 23rd, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    “And I really thought Hank would have a comment on how the Yankees start and end the season on the road, where Boston starts and ends the season at home”

    Maybe Hank didn’t comment on this because he recognized that Tokyo, Oakland and Toronto are not cities the Red Sox call home.

  39. PlecoPlate September 23rd, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Look at the Cleveland browns last year. 10 wins in the tough conference but they missed out on the playoffs. But the crummy Tampa Bay team won their division with a sad 9 wins. Hank is right on this one – divisional play does not always reward the best teams. The yankees are probably a better team than the Dodgers this year, but the Dodgers are lucky to play in the crappiest division in baseball.

    But it makes things interesting for a wider selection of fans, so I don’t think multiple divisions is a bad thing. Things just didn’t break the right way for the Yankees this year, and really it’s their own fault for not having better backup plans than Rasner/Ponson/Molina/Bench/CF.

  40. Fredo Corleone September 23rd, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    “There is a difference between having a salary cap to taking money that doesn’t belong to you.”

    NFL is where they are today because of Revenue Sharing, period.

    If revenue sharing was gone from baseball, so would about 10-12 teams.

  41. El Maestro September 23rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Good reporting on Hank. But with all due respect, the analysis is a disgrace.

    Of course the Yankees weren’t the best team in 2000. They got hot at the right time and they won. But the rules are the rules, and everybody accepted them. So, the trophy stays in NY. I agree that the Cardinals championship was even more awful, but as I said, the rules are the rules.

    I don’t know what’s the problem with Hank speaking out his mind. Because he is not present at the games, does it mean he can’t have his own opinion? That applies to us fans I guess, we don’t go to the games either or once in a while (besides the ticket holders), so we can’t have an opinion. Oh wait, Hanks is one of the owners… and after all he is right on his points.

    Cashman running away? why? I haven’t seen a single disrespect from Hank or Hal to Cash. Even more, I see them much more respectful than The Boss. So why Cash will run away?.

    Too much Red Bull, I guess…

  42. NYSuperFan September 23rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Hank is a complete buffoon

  43. Mike S. September 23rd, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    C’mon, Fredo. Where’s the competition. I’m not talking the 2001 Mariners here, or the A’s. It isn’t there and you know it. Texas? Seattle? The A’s who just traded Blanton, Haren and Harden? Come on.

    We’ve seen too many 2006 Cardinals, 82-80 Padres teams, etc. making it because of the setup. I don’t like mediocrity rewarded.

    Races mean something when you have teams of quality. 1962 Giants/Dodgers. 1978 Yanks/Red Sox. 1951 Giants/Dodgers. Not psuedo-races where one team beats another for a playoff spot 83 wins to 81.

  44. Frankie speaking .... September 23rd, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    There’s a clear and distinct difference between Hank Steinbrenner and his brother Hal.

  45. The Other Phil September 23rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Since there’s no salary cap in baseball (and there never will be), I don’t have a problem with revenue sharing as long as the other teams actually spend the money on the team instead of pocketing it. If they aren’t going to spend the revenue on making the team better, they shouldn’t get the revenue.

    As for the divisions, it’s really the only way to do it. They can’t just abolish the divisions and go with the top 6 teams in the league. It kills rivalries and scheduling would be an even worse nightmare than it is now. There’s always going to be a weak division, but it’s like that in every sport. There’s no system that’s perfect. For the most part, the winner of a weak division will usually get bounced from the playoffs. But if a team gets hot (2000 Yanks, 2006 Cards) good for them. That’s what sport is all about, actually playing the games as opposed to who is better ‘on paper’. If you can execute better at the right time, then more power to you.

    Oh, and Hank should shut it. :)

  46. Fredo Corleone September 23rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    “The A’s who just traded Blanton, Haren and Harden? Come on.”

    A’s won an average of 95 game from 2000 thru 2006.

  47. Save Us September 23rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    “And I really thought Hank would have a comment on how the Yankees start and end the season on the road, where Boston starts and ends the season at home”

    Maybe Hank didn’t comment on this because he recognized that Tokyo, Oakland and Toronto are not cities the Red Sox call home

    In 09′ Fredo

  48. Clay Bellinger September 23rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    I just want to say the Yankees are easily a better team than the Dodgers. They’re 4 games better, in the better league, and in a much better division (unbalanced schedule). I don’t really see how that argument is even close.

  49. Save Us September 23rd, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    I agree that divisions are important. However, there should be more balance in the schedule.

    In the case of the AL East, 4 series vs. each AL team non-division (two 3 game series and two 2 game series)

    This means an even number of games at home and on the road.

    We play twice in Anaheim this year and once at home. And one of those 2 series was 4 games. It makes no sense that it isnt even.

    When you are in the division with the Sox and now apparently the JAys and Rays, those 4 games make a difference.

  50. nettles September 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    So, judging from Hank’s “thoughts” on revenue sharing and how “wrong” and un-”American” he thinks it is, I assume that he’s also steadfastly against bailing out Merrill Lynch, Bear Stearns, AIG, etc.

    After all, if you can’t properly manage your business and make money, you have no business being in business, right? That’s the American way, right?

    Actually, American is socialistic when it’s smart to do so. Revenue sharing is good for baseball as it’s good for the NFL. Hank needs to go breed a horse or two and shut the hell up.

  51. 86w183 September 23rd, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    It’s a mistake to compare the 2000 Yankees and the 2006 Cardinals. The 2000 Yankees were the best team in baseball until they coasted into the post season 3-and-15 in their final 18 games. Only then did their record no longer measure up, but before that they were 25 games over .500

    The Cardinals had to claw their way into post-season. It was very different..

    Still I don’t agree with Hank on most points, including revenue sharing. Baseball has to have for a reason not yet pointed out. Most baseball revenue is LOCAL. Therefore it creates a huge discrepancy between and among teams. The NFL gets most of its money from national TV, which keeps the playing field much more level.

    Still with revenue sharing there should be a minimum payroll. There should also be a way to consider the wealth of ownership… no team should be sending its fans money to the wealthiest owner in the game.

  52. YankeesLuv September 23rd, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Pete,
    Huge fraud? Come on, cheap shot at Hank. I’d expect this from Bob Raissman but not you.

  53. 86w183 September 23rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Any company we the taxpayers bail out should immediately be investigated for possible criminal charges of fraud. And all salaries should be capped (at very low levels) until they are off the public dole.

    If they don’t like it… let ‘em go under. I didn’t invest in a crappy, corrupt, incompetently managed company. Why the hell should I bail out idiots that did?

  54. Charlie September 23rd, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    I agree with everything Hank wrote.

  55. John in Ohio September 23rd, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    19 games vs. divisional teams skews things as well. The Yankees and Tigers have been plaing against each other for 100+ years, but New York has visited Detroit only once each season in recent years (there was a one-game rainout make-up this year).

    It’s hard to argue against interleague, since it’s obviously popular….but I don’t like the idea of only a handful of games against traditional rivals.

  56. hambone slymnax September 23rd, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Pete, if Hank’s input matters so little to anything of earthly value….why act like it exists??

  57. Mike S. September 23rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    I’m not talking then, as if you didn’t notice.

    The truth is, four-team divisions are jokes. In baseball, football, whatever. Heck, five teams are still too few.

    There are too many teams in the postseason in every sport and too many postseason rounds. Mediocrity rewarded. I don’t like 83-79 playoff teams in baseball, 8-8 playoff teams in football, 40-42 teams in basketball, etc.

    But then, we’ve been dumbing down in a lot of things in America for years.

  58. viridiana September 23rd, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Seems to me most of what Hank says is true — obviously, politically incorrect, but true.

    Why should he endorse revenue sharing when it was clearly Selig’s effort to bring down the big-market clubs, particularly New York, and benefit Milwaukee and other small markets.

    Same for the lusury tax. I see no reason why Hank should be demeaned for saying what is patently true, but what few care to acknowledge. And he’s also right about the playoff structure — clearly designed to get more teams in and increase overall MLB revenues in Spetemberby putting more clubs in contention.

    The three-tier playoff system is a farce, IMO. Why should teams with infereior records — wild cards, in other words — be given such a good crack at the brass ring. Did the Yanks luck out in 2000? Sure, but that doesn’t validate the system. And besides, Hank never mentioned 2000. I would guess he’d agree the Yanks benfited in that case. Really deplorable the way Peter makes fun of this man– very unfair IMO.

    Go get em, Hank

  59. bru September 23rd, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    pete i know you are entitled to you’re opinions but george not only talked he backed up with actions quickly.hank is only a talker.
    he also said that girardi’s job was safe for now.george would not of said that.
    he is an opinionated person,that is all and he is not affraid to talk.he is just mad that torre might make the playoffs with the yankees having a better record and he is mad that the yankees have to give teams like tampa bay his money.i am not saying that is wrong but if i owned the yankees i would take a good long look at that situation and probably be mad enough to not go over the luxury tax cap.209 million just doesn’t get you what it used to unless you know what you are doing.

  60. harwood September 23rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Pete are you going to rant about Yankees pitchers throwing at someone after Arod gets his daily plunk after this? Its Hank Steinbrenner. Please start getting things.

    Way to go Hank.

  61. Mark (Brett is back) September 23rd, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Pete that Yanks team with 87 wins were 3-15 in their last 18 games, and had nothing to play for. Do you think they would of finished 3-15 if they were in a close race.

  62. GreenBeret7 September 23rd, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    El Maestro
    September 23rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm
    Good reporting on Hank. But with all due respect, the analysis is a disgrace.

    Of course the Yankees weren’t the best team in 2000. They got hot at the right time and they won. But the rules are the rules, and everybody accepted them. So, the trophy stays in NY. I agree that the Cardinals championship was even more awful, but as I said, the rules are the rules.

    ______________________________________________

    You’re wrong about the Yankees getting hot at the end of the season. They were running away with the title and best record until they started resting injured players. They had a record of 84-59 and then went 3-15 and led by 9 games. They hardly backed into the playoffs.

    …

  63. JRVJ September 23rd, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    86w183 has it right. The 2000 Yanks coasted into the playoffs that year, because they had no competition.

    On September 13th, the Yanks were 25 games over and 9 games over Boston in the AL East. They skidded after that, but they kept a sufficiently large lead the last 2 weeks of September that it was a non-issue.

  64. fred September 23rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    “You’re wrong about the Yankees getting hot at the end of the season.”

    He didn’t say they got hot at the end of the season. He said they got hot at the “right time”. I assume he means October, because that is the right time to get hot.

  65. Wayne_j September 23rd, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Much of what Hank said was fine until he started attacking Torre. I do think it would be a good idea to have the teams with the best 4 records in each league make the playoffs.

  66. 86w183 September 23rd, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    I don’t mind revenue sharing because at least it has the potential to increase competition. I don’t like the luxury/payroll tax because it is anti-competition.

    Now can we get rid of maple bats before they kill someone?

  67. Braintrust September 23rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Hank is a bonefied moron. Hal seems to be the voice of reason in that family right now. Hopefully he’ll be keeping a higher profile going forward.

  68. bigjf September 23rd, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Hank’s funny. I love the guy, he reminds me so much of his dad, but luckily Hal is there to keep things in line. I love the remark about the socialist and unAmerican revenue sharing. While we’re at it, how about we point out that MLB and its affiliations are a trust system, a monopoly not unlike the oil companies. I’m no economist by any stretch, but I’m pretty sure that goes against those so-called American ideals of capitalism…

  69. arliss September 23rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    The last yankee team to win the world series lost 18 of its last 20 I believe; because the games didn’t matter. Let’s be reasonable Pete and tell it like it was. Not because they played 500 baseball all year like the nl west leaders have done and like the cardinals did

  70. Wangawa September 23rd, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    All divisions go through cycles. The AL East is a powerhouse right now but that could change in a few years. I still like the way the playoff structure is set up, and it’s exciting when underdog teams suddenly get hot during October.

  71. El Maestro September 23rd, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    GreenBeret7:

    I didn’t say at the END of the season. I said at the RIGHT TIME, and that’s in the postseason…

  72. thomasbp September 23rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Hal is just overreacting to the Torre lovers rubbing it in about the Yanks breaking their string of consecutive playoff appearances while Torre will likely be managing in October. While the Torre lovers might believe he would have made a difference for the Yanks this year, objectively its hard to see him doing any better than Girardi.

    As for division winners getting automatic entries into the playoffs it does seem strange when there are a different amount of teams in some divisions and there is only one “wild card.” It definitely increases the odds that a more deserving team will be left out. Adding to the perceived unfairness is the effect that the starting pitcher has on the probability of winning and the shorter rotations used in playoff series (as opposed to the regular season) — this is really different from the other major sports. The “best” team over a regular season may not be the “best” team in the playoffs. In the end if you don’t win your division and aren’t the best of the non-division winning teams its hard to complain that you didn’t make the playoffs — you were no better than the third best team in your league.

    As for the 2000 Yankees, its easy to forget that they were up by 9 with 18 left in the division and proceeded to go 3-15 (though the division was never much in doubt). If the division winner didn’t get an automatic playoff spot its conceivable they might have won significantly more games down the stretch. But hey, we know its fun to bash the Boss and Pete seems to take every shot at the Yanks that he sees so … whatever.

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  74. Whitey Fraud September 23rd, 2008 at 5:42 pm

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    Babblings.

    The Yanks should be in the Galactic Federation. That would solve all the problems, but those Klingons can be brutal!

    Hal is the one with the brains, apparently.

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  75. george September 23rd, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    jeez, Hank, stop the whining. let’s focus on the Indians and Yanks sweeping.

    even in the 1 thing he’s right about in the snippets Pete posted – which is that the media rarely deals w/logic – the example is just stupid. yeah, great idea, get rid of the divisions, let’s have 2 15-team leagues.

    i wonder if he realizes attendance is at a historical high?

  76. Jeremy September 23rd, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    God forbid Hank criticizes the sports media. He must be a huge fraud to do that.

    Hank is standing up for his team and manager. He’s saying that the Yankees put up a respectable showing in the toughest division in baseball. And he correctly points that Torre would not have manged the Dodgers to the playoffs in the AL East. In fact, Torre would not have managed the Dodgers to the same record in the East.

    The problem I have with Hank’s points is that the Yankees should be the last team to complain about the divisional format. For years, the Yankees and Sox have absolutely throttled the AL East. The Jays, Orioles, and Rays had no shot at the playoffs because the Yankees and the Sox would split the division championship and wild card. The Rays’ sudden rise to greatness and the top of the toughest division in baseball is one of the best stories in the sport and actually serves as an argument in support of divisional play.

    Also, what is the alternative to divisonal play? Two leagues and a World Series, with 28 teams sent home? That’s just not realistic in an era with so many teams. Fans of teams who aren’t contenders every single year want some decent chance that their team will make the postseason. An 8 team playoffs is good for the sport.

    I think Hank wanted to support Girardi and went too far. But that certainly doesn’t make him a fraud. It makes him sound like a sports fan.

  77. Frondirre September 23rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    It makes him sound like a whining idiot.

  78. JohnC September 23rd, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Nice to see that the NFL and NBA are Commie leagues too Hank. Revenue sharing could work better but the idea that cities such as Oakland are even capable of “earning it” and being revenue-competitive with the post-2008 Yankees as another poster above argued is laughable. Especially when these same allegedly free market owners won’t allow other owners to sell their clubs whomever they please. When Hank publicly campaigns on behalf of selling the Cubs to Mark Cuban as opposed to some MLB-approved owner, maybe I’ll give a darn what he thinks. I’m a Yankee fan but only way I’d want to see a league without revenue sharing would be if MLB grouped the teams in divisions by revenue as opposed to geographic location.

  79. logic polic September 23rd, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Pretty weak commentary.

    “The last Yankees team that won the World Series had 87 wins…So apparently the Yankees weren’t the best team that season.”

    Yeah, you could make a very compelling argument that they weren’t. This is the equivalent of an ad hominum argument about an entire franchise. Do you disagree with this, or are you just being snide and attempting to floant some presumed “gotcha”? Someone might argue that with the unbalanced schedule, 87 wins in the AL East wasn’t nearly as bad as 87 wins in this year’s NL west, but that’s up for debate. That Yankee team probably didn’t perform the best of any team all season long.

    “I guess the Yankees should give that trophy back.”

    No, that’s silly and in no way consistent with what he said. The yankees won that year under the rules in place, like the Cardinals did their year. Hank is criticizing the rules. He might even think that under different rules the Yankees could win more. He doesn’t say the Cardinals WS doesn’t count or anything. This is shallow sarcasm at it’s worst.

    “It’s also funny to hear him talk about ‘the 1970s.’ Hank was born in 1957, making him a teenager for most of the 1970s.”

    Good point. Thanks for not referring to any historic events that ocurred before your twentieth birthday when making an argument on this blog or in your paper.

  80. Karen September 23rd, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    gayle said September 23rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm “As I said earlier one word…. Seattle”

    I don’t know in which context you said “Seattle”, gayle, but when the Yankees have to fly 55,000 to 65,000 air miles back and forth across the country for what those idiotic season schedulers routinely force onto them — an inordinate number of one and two-team road trips, instead what they SHOULD be getting, more 10-day or 2-week trips that includes 4 teams.

    No, it’s the Yankees and other Platinum Card MLB teams that get that kind of treatment.

    It’s time the West Coast teams secede from MLB, and let the AL East teams fight it out amongst themselves. That way the West Coast teams would only have to worry about 2 time zones, not 3.

  81. The Other Phil September 23rd, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    “The yankees won that year under the rules in place, like the Cardinals did their year. Hank is criticizing the rules. ”

    Actually, I think Pete’s point, while dripping with sarcasm, is a good one. Hank can’t have it both ways. If he thinks that St. Louis shouldn’t have been in the playoffs in 06, then by the same rationale, the Yankees shouldn’t have been in the playoffs on 2000. Whether the team “cruised” to 87 wins by going 3-15 isn’t a great argument either, as that just reinforces the notion that the ALE was a very weak division that year. If the Yankees can cruise by only winning 3 out of 18 at the end, and not be in any real danger of losing the division, then it’s a weak division.

    There’s no easy solution. All sports have a flawed system, but I think the system is better than it was when there were only 2 divisions. Look at this year. If there were no wildcard, then the Yanks would have been done a long time ago.

    At least it’s not like Hockey where everyone makes the playoffs! :)

  82. Karen September 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Let me re-post that, because I forgot a couple of important caveats:

    gayle said September 23rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm “As I said earlier one word…. Seattle”

    I don’t know in which context you said “Seattle”, gayle, but IT’D BE APPROPRIATE ONLY when the Yankees have to fly 55,000 to 65,000 air miles back and forth across the country LIKE THE MARINERS DO for what those idiotic season schedulers routinely force onto them — an inordinate number of one and two-team road trips, instead what they SHOULD be getting, more 10-day or 2-week trips that includes 4 teams.

    No, it’s the Yankees and other Platinum Card MLB teams that get that kind of treatment.

    It’s time the West Coast teams secede from MLB, and let the AL East teams fight it out amongst themselves. That way the West Coast teams would only have to worry about 2 time zones, not 3.

  83. Thomas September 23rd, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    I agree with pretty much everything Hank said, sorry.

  84. Soap September 23rd, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    I love how Pete brings up the fact that the Yanks won 87 games to refute Hank’s statement. Where did Hank say anything about the Yankees in terms of that 87 game winning season? I’m sure if you asked him he would agree.

    “It’s also funny to hear him talk about “the 1970s.” Hank was born in 1957, making him a teenager for most of the 1970s. But obviously he was thinking deep thoughts about the divisional setup as he spent his dad’s money.”

    Nice! Even though teenagers have the most time to think about sports, they can’t possibly have cohesive thoughts about divisions in baseball, even though his dad was the owner! Nice one, Pete. Can we get another anti-Girardi post?

  85. Christina September 24th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    This is all coming from a guy who didnt even show up to the final game.

  86. Jim September 24th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Pete, you were a little hard on Hank. Most statements he makes are true and Boss like. I like the guy!

  87. John Sterling September 24th, 2008 at 3:14 am

    I wouldn’t piss on Hank Steinbrenner if he was on fire.

    “IT IS HIGH! IT IS FAR! IT IS…. THONG!!!”

  88. RustyJohn September 24th, 2008 at 3:15 am

    Is it just me or is Hank starting to sound a lot like Larry King did in his USA Today column?

    By the way, if you think Hank is bad, in Seattle the President of the club overrode the GM’s by nixing a trade of Washburn and by giving out a long-term contract to Kenji Jojima. I’d stay away from Seattle.

  89. Jim in CT September 24th, 2008 at 8:50 am

    How do the words “Hank” and “thought” wind up in the same sentence? Ever?

    Revenue sharing isn’t so bad when it’s taxpayer-funded government entities doing the sharing.

    Revenue sharing isn’t so bad when it’s Rich Papa passing what he built on to Little Silver Spoon. Talk about your accident of birth.

    What a whiner.

    In the meantime, kudos to the Rays for doing a whole lot with very little money, few fans, and a POS ballpark. I would agree, though, that revenue sharing should only be received up to some percentage of payroll. Pay to play. What the Marlins are doing is just criminal.

  90. logic polic September 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    yeah phil, you’re right. if hank steinbrenner is saying that st. louis’s championship should not count, and they should retroactively be removed from playoff contention because of their relatively poor record BUT that the yankees’ championships in simialr years should not…then he’s being hypocritical.

    he’s not saying that. he’s saying he doesn’t like the rules and the impact that the divisional format has on which teams make the playoffs. to point out a year that his team similarly struggled and similarly probably did not deserve to make the playoffs doesn’t refute his complaint at all. It isn’t unfair to criticize the rules. Agree with him or not, the sarcastic attempt to paint him as a hypocrite here IS unfair. We can argue the merits of reform, realignment, expansion, contraction…but that’s not what Pete did.

  91. andrew September 24th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    you know what, i agree with everything he said. stop hating on hank for telling the truth.

    and what’s so hard to believe he thought about baseball as a teenager? i thought of this stuff all the time in my teens and my dad wasn’t the owner of the yankees.

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