Game 160: Yankees at Red Sox
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 26, 2008 
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YANKEES (87-72)
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady DH
Cano 2B
Moeller C
Gardner CF
Aceves RHP
RED SOX (94-65)
Ellsbury CF
Lowrie SS
Ortiz 1B
Youkilis 3B
Bay LF
Lowell DH
Kotsay RF
Cash C
Velasquez 2B
Wakefield RHP
Alfredo Aceves (1-0, 1.38) has never faced any of the Boston hitters.
Daisuke Matsuzaka (18-2, 2.80) vs. the New York hitters.
Notes: The Yankees have won seven of eight and 10 of their last 12. … The Yankees are 7-8 against the Red Sox this season. … The Yankees have scored two or fewer runs 50 times this season and three or fewer runs 69 times. … Boston trails Tampa Bay by two games for the AL East with three to play. Tampa’s magic number is one.
FINDING HIS WAY: It’s only 10 games but Brett Gardner seems to be figuring out what kind of offensive player he can be in the big leagues. He is 11 of his last 27 with six runs scored, four extra-base hits and three stolen bases.
NEWLY CONSISTENT: Robinson Cano has hit in eight straight games at 11 of 28. He has struck out only one time in that stretch.
Back later with updates as they become available.
UPDATE, 4:16 p.m.: Just spoke to Mariano Rivera. He has been been pitching with a sore shoulder all season. There is inflammation and calcification. He has been given two options: a series of injections and rehab or surgery. He has not made a decision but seems to be leaning toward the surgery.
As to the events of last night …
Rivera told Girardi on Tuesday that his body was cranky. He told him on Wednesday before he left Toronto that his shoulder was hurt. Mariano told Girardi he wanted to break the news to the media. Mariano is the kind of guy who doesn’t want anybody speaking for him.
So Girardi invented the “it’s his standard physical” story. But Cashman went with the truth. When Girardi was confronted with the truth after the game, he stuck with his lie.
The whole thing likely could have been avoided if they all managed to get on the same page in the first place. Once the cat was out of the bag, Girardi should have copped to it. Once the general manager of the team admits the truth, it’s out there. Kudos to Girardi for doing what Mo wanted. But they needed to find a better way to do it.
Essentially, none of that much matters. What does is that Rivera believes he will be ready for spring training. Meanwhile, it’s pretty amazing that he has had the season he has had with a bum shoulder.
UPDATE, 5:53 p.m.: And the news keeps pouring in as it pours in Boston.
Joe Girardi apologized to reporters for lying to them over the course of the season and said he has to come up with a better way to give us information about injuries. He said the only way he can prove he’s serious is by his actions moving forward. So we’ll see what happens.
Meanwhile … Andy Pettitte was back in New York today for a second MRI on his left shoulder. This was a dye-contrast MRI, which I’m told is the best MRI possible in terms of revealing damage. It came back clean. That does not mean they’re bringing him back, necessarily. But it clears the path.
Meanwhile … Brian Cashman said we will know “sooner than later” whether he will return as GM of the Yankees. It won’t be this weekend but could be early next week by the sound of it. Cashman said there has not been a contract offer from the Yankees but there has been an expression of support in terms of them wanting him back.
I’ll post some quotes later once I transcribe them. I think it’s 50-50 whether Cashman returns and that may be optimistic. It could depend whether Hal Steinbrenner can control Hank Steinbrenner or to what degree Hank is involved with baseball operations.
Hank’s foolish statements and interference (like during the Santana negotiations, the Posada negotiations, etc.) are not conducive for a GM to do his job. Either Cashman decides he can deal with that or he goes elsewhere. At some point, dealing with such nonsense must be tiresome.
Know this much: Whether you like Cashman as the GM or not, if he leaves it’ll be chaos in the organization. They don’t have anybody ready to step in and many of the people in baseball operations, scouting, the minors, etc. are his people. Girardi is his manager, etc.
Think for a second how Girardi will be next season if he’s working for a GM who didn’t hire him. The first time the Yankees fall below .500 The Girardi Watch will be on.
Cashman has a plan, he’s a smart guy and the Yankees would be wise to let him do his job. Nobody gets forever, but he should get some time to get this thing fixed.
UPDATE, 6:54 p.m.: I know this will come as a shock. But the start of the game has been delayed by rain.
Oh, and Ortiz was scratched. Sean Casey now at first and batting seventh.
UPDATE, 6:59 p.m.: This just in from the Red Sox, the rain is supposed to stop. They’re hoping to start sometime around 8 p.m. I’ll keep you posted.
UPDATE, 7:17 p.m.: They took the tarp off, groomed the field and now it’s raining again and the tarp is being put back on. So much for the 8:05 start.
Meanwhile, Red Sox Nation is guzzling overpriced beer in the concourses.
UPDATE, 7:42 p.m: Matsuzaka has been scratched. If the game ever starts, David Pauley would start for Boston. Sure, the Japanese writers get to go home.
UPDATE, 7:43 p.m.: Just FYI, I’ve decided not to post Joe Girardi’s pre-game audio, which would include the apology he issued to the writers. Frankly, it’s between him and us and I’m not sure it’s something he would want out there. Even if he didn’t care, I don’t see a need to continue this story beyond where it is already.
To me, 99 percent of this is about Mo and his ability to pitch. The rest is just stuff we need to figure out.
UPDATE, 7:48 p.m.: OK, tarp coming off again. First pitch at 8:35 p.m. Or so they hope.
UPDATE, 8:41 p.m.: The game is underway. I have a few newspaper stories to finish, so the updates might be sparse for an hour. Sorry about that.
UPDATE, 8:58 p.m.: Hmm, Alfredo Aceves could be the Mexican Chase Wright if this keeps up.
UPDATE, 9:37 p.m.: It’s raining here again. The goal is probably to get five in and call it a night.
UPDATE, 10:25 p.m.: Jeter is out of game with a sore left hand. Meanwhile it’s pouring again and the game has been delayed.
UPDATE, 10:45 p.m.: Bad news for all you Cody Ransom fans out there. Because the game has not gone five innings, it would be wiped out if they don’t start again.
UPDATE, 10:52 p.m.: Cody Ransom’s bid at history will continue. The game is scheduled to start again at 11:05 p.m.
UPDATE, 11:12 p.m.: OK, the game has started again and we’re three outs away from being official. Excellent news for Brett Gardner and Cody Ransom.
Meanwhile, I am declaring myself no longer responsible for anything I may write from this point forward due to lack of sleep and Red Bull. If you’re in the Kenmore Square area and want to bring me a Red Bull, I have $25 Canadian to give you and a bunch of their coins.
UPDATE, 11:23 p.m.: The Phil Coke Scoreless Era has come to a sad end as he allowed a run. He went 11.2 innings before giving up a run.
Meanwhile, the Red Sox and Yankees have a combined payroll of roughly $350 million and players in the game at the moment include Cody Ransom, Wilson Betemit, Chad Moeller, Brett Gardner, Phil Coke, Gil Velazquez, Chris Carter, George Kottaras, Jon Van Every and Kevin Cash.
UPDATE, 11:57 p.m.: Bobby Abreu has 99 RBI and 99 runs scored.
Meanwhile, Robinson Cano is 2 for 4 with two doubles and four RBI. If Girardi had benched him for a day in May would the Yankees be going to the playoffs? I’m sort of serious about that.
UPDATE, 12:17 a.m.: Thats 100 RBI for Bobby Abreu. He has reached that plateau for six straight seasons, joining only A-Rod and Albert Pujols on that list.
Bobby asked for the ball for got it. He’ll get a lot of money from somebody next season.
Assorted drunks are now chanting “Let’s Go Red Sox” as they’re losing 17-5.
UPDATE, 12:49 a.m.: You’re killing me, Melky. You too, Chris Britton.
UPDATE, 12:52 a.m.: The game is over. Thanks for reading, catch you tomorrow. Or, to be accurate, later today.
Pete, do you ever say any of the things about Girardi to his face???
I want these games rained out. I don’t want our futility on display for all of baseball to laugh at. Let’s shut it down, head out of town and pretend that this season never happened.
Hey Peter, this is from your colleague, George King:
“According to a person with knowledge of the situation, Rivera didn’t want the news to get out. But there are no secrets in the Yankees’ universe, especially when the news involves Rivera.”
Nice job, Pete. Bash a manager for adhering to the wishes of his own player, that’s real classy.
See how you look when you have an agenda? You don’t care to find out the entire story, you just search for what fits and use that.
Don’t they say not to evaluate players in September? Glad Gardner’s doing well and I hope he performs the same or better come April, but I won’t be singing his praises just yet–I still remember Shane and Shelley
Rishi, don’t know if you saw this in the last thread, so if you didn’t,
http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....enner.html.
New Yankee Vacation Stadium
Thanks EDUB
Gardner also seemed to be getting hot right when he was benched in favor of Matsui, coming off the DL. With no really elite CFs available in free agency this winter, I think the Yanks should focus on improving their pitching. I think their sputtering offense is more a byproduct of the improved pitching in the division, and they will need to win games in which they score fewer than 4 runs.
Got it in the last thread, thanks, Rebecca – it’s a great letter, I hope it gets some attention.
Rishi: Thanks! Here’s hoping!
I want them to play. I want to see how the wet ball affects Dice-K’s control.
Vegas got odds on who he plunks tonight?
“I want to see how the wet ball affects Dice-K’s control.”
How can you tell?
First Cash throws Hughes under the bus (saying AAA isin’t what it used to be), now he throws his manager under the bus.
Looks like he is leaving
mel: You know Alex is going to get plunked. Just cos.
Fredo,
You win the prize!
If Joe’s overuse ruined MO, he should be fired no questions asked. The doc needs to determine what happened. If Grardi is in any way responsible, he is gone.
brandon: ha! nice find.
I’m right outside Boston, and I’ve got to say… I don’t see this ‘break’ in the weather they’re talking about…
It’s pouring and the wind is whipping right now.
“First Cash throws Hughes under the bus (saying AAA isin’t what it used to be)”
In fairness, AAA has largely been reduced to taxi squads for MLB teams. Lot of fringe MLB players, AAAA types and non-prospects.
“Rishi, don’t know if you saw this in the last thread, so if you didn’t,
http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....nner.html.”
Your letter writing skills need a little polishing. You need an editor very badly. And you really shouldn’t be putting out video posts until you’re better at it.
But damn you have self promotion down to an art form.
If King’s source is correct, then that only backs up what Girardi said in the post-game. My job is to protect the players.
And Girardi would never endanger Mo. That’s ridiculous to even speculate about.
“New Yankee Vacation Stadium
Thanks EDUB”
I laughed so hard Brandon. “In case they ever need a little Yankee-time.” hahaha.
.198BAA
Damn.
A lot of the problems on offense can be solved with the same players the Yankees have now. Hopefully Cano produces more next year, Posada is healthy, Matsui is heathy, and we have CF who produces more than Melky did. A full year of Nady will be a nice addition, maybe Jeter and A-rod will have better years. These are all just optimistic hopes but they are all possible. Every season there are guys that underperform what we think and overperform. Unfortunately, this year more guys underperformed.
I think the offense will be okay next year without the addition of Tex or another big bat. Obviously I want some offensive help but I think the priority should be pitching and defense. Also I think the hitting philosophy needs to change a bit. Our hitters must be better at fundamental hitting — hitting with RISP, bunting, productive outs, etc.
The Yankee defense this year was the worst in the league, that must improve. If you go position by position there were only 2 spots with above average fielding; catcher and center field. Melky saved a lot of runs in CF and Molina was awesome at C. Cano, Rodriguez, Giambi, Damon, Abreu were all below average at their position and Jeter was league average. I can see improvements made at RF, 1B and 2B.
Cash said that in response to Hughes’ last 2 starts in the minors, which were quite stunning.
He was trying to temper expectations.
Go to the Trenton blog to see what Cash really thinks of the minor leagues.
““First Cash throws Hughes under the bus (saying AAA isin’t what it used to be)â€
In fairness, AAA has largely been reduced to taxi squads for MLB teams. Lot of fringe MLB players, AAAA types and non-prospects.”
Can they just cancel the series. Seriously it holds no meaning for either team, Boston could care less about getting the wild card instead of the division.
Jamal G.,
As Pete mockingly suggested on this site before, he just wasn’t going to let the facts get in the way.
How the heck can you say Mo was overused? He only threw 69 innings this year, his lowest total since 2002.
We live in a strange world when telling the truth is “throwing someone under the bus”.
As for September evaluations, I agree with the notion that you cannot overreact to what someone does at this time, but it doesn’t render it meaningless. Maybe the Yankees overreacted to Kennedy’s outings last year, but as Hughes showed last time out he is legit when healthy.
I can live with CF being a hodgepodge in 2009 because starting pitching and 1B are the higher priorities and there’s reason to believe CF may be in very good hands by 2010, or perhaps even sometime in ’09. Gardner has improved putting the bat on the ball and he should remain in the mix. Melky may end up being a part time player and late inning RF defense, who knows? It seems virtually certain that Damon and Matsui will be LF/DH… but a third guy who bats RH should be in there too…. maybe a Jason Michaels?
Go get Tex and CC and then worry about CF and the bench.
Al: Why don’t you ask Moose if they should cancel Sunday’s game…
The results are meaningless but the games mean something.
“Cash said that in response to Hughes’ last 2 starts in the minors, which were quite stunning.
He was trying to temper expectations.
Go to the Trenton blog to see what Cash really thinks of the minor leagues.”
Hes obviously trying to temper expectations and for good reason. That “Generation trey” didn’t do so well. It should have been called “Generation Joba and his 2 lesser sidekicks.”
And where were all you people saying that Mo was overused when he was used in September like he was. As far as I know I didnt see one reporter or comment here say that he had been overused.
And again we dont know if he even said anything to anyone about his shoulder bothering him until after the team was eliminated.
“Al: Why don’t you ask Moose if they should cancel Sunday’s game…
The results are meaningless but the games mean something.”
You know what Becca I stand corrected. I forgot about the Moose quest for 20. However I think Moose cares a lot less than we do about 20 wins.
Generation Trey = Generation Uno (Joba)
If the Moose doesn’t even take the field this weekend, then it’s divine intervention. He’ll be back.
patrick max
September 26th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
If Joe’s overuse ruined MO, he should be fired no questions asked. The doc needs to determine what happened. If Grardi is in any way responsible, he is gone.
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Put a lid on it. If this is as some reports say and it’s bone spurs, the only one at fault is Marinao Rivera for being 37-38 years old. It’s a common ailment of people who are aging. You’ll get the same thing. The spurs are bone..or bone growths and what happens is that they irritate the nerve endings. These aren’t sharp edged knives cutting into anything.
Al, I’d like to agree with you but I’m not so sure. Many say that one 20 win season is what’s keeping Moose from the Hall of Fame.
He might not care about 20 wins, but I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t care about the hall of fame.
86w183 -
I like your take on things. What do you think about Burnett? At first I was really against the idea but now I’m hearing that he really wants to be a Yankee. And of course his stuff is filthy, if he could stay healthy he is an ace. My only problem is, can the Yankees afford CC, Tex and Burnett? I’m not too sure. If they can’t then I want CC as the first priority.
Gardner’s going to be a career .407 hitter? I’ll take that for center field, I suppose, unless we can sign some power with a better arm.
Seriously, this stuff is great to see, as we prepare for an off-season of waiting with baited-breath for the latest pronouncement from Hank. I have a hunch, as a lot of people probably do, that the li’l Steins are going to spend some money to open (roster) their billion-dollar stadium with a bang.
So we could have Mussina going for 20 and Jets/Cardinals at the same time on Sunday
Hal could respond to the letter by saying, Hey, this is an important part of our fan base, let’s set up a special price category for people who are temporarily poor but will someday be rich enough to afford the luxury boxes!!! Like B-school types at the higher end universities, that sort of thing!! Great thinking!
Or he could just say, Hey, get used to it honey, plenty of others have sat in those bleacher and tier seats — some of them for those few hideous years before the dough starts pouring in, some of them for life. Take it in. It’s life in New York.
If we sign Teixeria for 1st, then we can afford to carry Gardner’s subpar bat until Jackson is ready.
Bailing out the Yankees:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ortCat=mlb
Knowing that Mo is a team player, he probably didn’t say anything about his shoulder until after the Yankees were officially eliminated. And bone spurs would not have come from being “overused” this season. They happen over time.
“Can they just cancel the series. Seriously it holds no meaning for either team, Boston could care less about getting the wild card instead of the division.”
Al, seriously I believe that the Sux would give their eyeteeth to have HFA. And we have Moose going for his 20th. If the Rays win tonight I bet we’ll see Boston doing their best to call the games early!
Joey’s Poodle, I’m thinking it’s going to be something like:
“Dear sir/madam,
Thank you for your interest in the New York Yankees. We will give your correspondance careful consideration but due to the volume that we receive we are unable to personally reply to your letter
Sincerely
The New York Yankees corporate group”
Is Kennedy still around? Did he say he had a great year and thought he was dominant?
There’s a possibility that Seattle will be the first $100M team to lose 100 games. That’s $1M/loss. Ouch.
“Al, I’d like to agree with you but I’m not so sure. Many say that one 20 win season is what’s keeping Moose from the Hall of Fame.
He might not care about 20 wins, but I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t care about the hall of fame.”
Of of course he cares about the HOF. We all know Moose is a very intelligent guy he knows that a 20 win season changes the tenor of his career however I’m sure he’d prefer winning another game in the world series and getting a ring. After all he came to the Yankees because well they are the Yankees where championships are common and the playoffs are a given. Unfortunately for Moose this hasn’t played out for him
“If we sign Teixeria for 1st, then we can afford to carry Gardner’s subpar bat until Jackson is ready.”
we dont know gardner has a subpar bat and we dont know jackson will be good immediately
““Can they just cancel the series. Seriously it holds no meaning for either team, Boston could care less about getting the wild card instead of the division.â€
Al, seriously I believe that the Sux would give their eyeteeth to have HFA. And we have Moose going for his 20th. If the Rays win tonight I bet we’ll see Boston doing their best to call the games early!”
I suppose the Sux would prefer to play up in the lions den come ALDS time. However they would need a sweep and mini-collapse from Tampa for this to happen I just don’t see them getting worried about this when they have to worry about playing the W/Sox or Angels.
Gardner doesn’t even have to hit well… he just has to hit as good as Melky for him to b an impact player
via ed price
Mariano Rivera said he has calcifications and cartilage problems in his right shoulder. Rivera, who saw two doctors the past two days, said his choices are athroscopic surgery or occassional anti-inflammatory injections.
Rivera, 38-for-39 this year in save chances, said his shoulder has been bothering him “the whole year.”
He seems to be leaning toward surgery, since he would still be OK by spring training and “I hate needles.”
Rivers is in the first season of a three-year, $45 million extension. He said “of course” he will pitch this weekend if needed
Cancelling the series would mean a loss of revenue…the Sox would NEVER do that. Nor would MLB allow it.
Not to read too much into it but I do hope his positive response to intensive coaching means Gardner is inclined to learn and adapt, rather than stubbornly sticking to what worked in the minors no matter how poorly it works in the majors — as some have been known to do. They say ‘I’m sticking to what got me here’, and sometimes that’s good, but sometimes it means never getting better.
Tampa could make this interesting… the Tigers can still mash the ball and beat up Tampa’s pitching. Verlander is going tonight too. Leyland will have them finishing strong.
This might go down to the wire.
“Cancelling the series would mean a loss of revenue…the Sox would NEVER do that. Nor would MLB allow it.”
Obviously I wasn’t calling for a formal cancellation of this series but if this game and tomorrows game have a fair cahnce of getting rained out when do they plan on getting these games in?
Did Gardner show any power at all at AAA?
per Francessa -
Cashman told Girardi to not tell the media anything until he had an opportunity to himself.
….
So then why was Cashman apologizing on behalf of Girardi to the media?
Rebecca, no power. 9 HR in 4 years of minor league ball…
…o-o Maybe Rivera needs to pitch hurt more often. I mean, you’d, uh, never know he was hurt from his stats…
Ralphie D,
Thanks. Big decision for Mo. I think he’d prefer to pitch without pain. Calcifications are bone spurs, right?
Joey’s Poodle,
Hasn’t Gardner shown that he can adapt at each level? That means taking instruction well.
There’s nothing better than working with kids who are coachable.
Rebecca Gardner was more of a line drive and gap type hitter in the minors. Older fans would think of him as a Mickey Rivers/Brett Butler type player, younger ones can look at Juan Pierre for comparisons. He’ll hit an occassional homer, but, his power will be in doubles, triples and stolen bases.
If Tampa had already clinched, then there would not be a mandate from baseball to get these games in. The Nationals-Marlins game was canceled last night after an hour.
If Tampa gets their game in tonight and wins, then they will be much more amenable to just canceling the games.
As it stand right now, They will not let us leave today before 10 and look for any window. And tomorrow, FOX complicates everything. Otherwise we could have tried to squeeze it in from 1, now we have to wait until 4 and probably wait form 4-10 to try and squeeze the game in.
This game will be like that Tigers’ game last year that started at 11:15 PM and ended at 3:30 AM.
Saucy and GB: Thanks
Sounds like Rivera’s on his way to Boston?
Mel, yeah you’re right on calcifications being bone spurs. It’s just bone growth and it irritates the nerve endings.
You won’t see him in a game though. Not with all that’s happened in the last 2 days. Although if there’s an opportunity to save #20 for Moose, Mo might insist.
So, Girardi respects what Mo said and keeps the matter private and he’s a liar.
Cashman goes over the head of his manager and closer and he comes out looking good like all of this?
You favor Cashman because he gives the media answers, and it’s as simple as that.
You’re most welcome, Rebecca.
“Sounds like Rivera’s on his way to Boston?”
Wouldn’t it be a riot if he ended up pitching in the closer, after all the press yammering, accusation, and supposition.
If any of the athlete’s slip on a wet playing field and gets hurt, the game is no longer meaningless.
Donna,
Why did Girardi lie? You know why don’t you? You don’t care, do you?
Patrick—-
I have become more and more positive about AJ in the last month or so. The guy has the stuff of an ace and did make 111 starts in the last four years which is pretty reliable.
It’s hard to know for certain but my belief is that CC ($ 22-23) Tex ($ 18-19) and AJ ($ 16) will get about $ 55-60 a year combined.
Giambi, Abreu, Pettite and Pavano cost the Yanks more than $ 60 million this season
Which group would you rather have in ’09??
I can’t begin to imagine what Mo would be feeling if he knew that his simple wish that he got to brreak the news was the cause of all this fuss
ey eye eye
What a PR nightmare. Like Pete said the whole thing could have been avoided I THINK if someone, anyone perhaps specifically Jason Zillo was brought in and like any smart pr person would have gotten everyone on the same page so everyone’s stories were straight. I have to imagine that at least one of the guys asked or told him what was going on and what the wish of the player was vis a vis the media. If not that was the crucial mistake.
However even if they were all on the same page and said regular endof year physical would the writers still call him a liar when Mo cameout and told them it was his shoulder?? Or because Mo wsays thats what I wanted him to say would it have been ok.
not to get all political, but Nate Silver, the guy who invented PECOTA projections, has a website devoted to projecting election results. so if you’re into charts and graphs, you’ll have a blast.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
Adam,
Most reasonable fans without an agenda against Girardi would agree that Cashman comes out looking the worst of anybody in this whole mess.
Cashman is the one who undermined his manager. He added fuel to the fire by apologizing for his manager lying rather than dismissing it as a miscommuncation or new info. obtained like a good GM would.
Weather Man,
That’s exactly what I was saying. Just one more reason I hope Cashman doesn’t come back.
Teixeria and Burnett > CC
Especially when you consider CC doesn’t evcen want to come here and the only way he seemingly would is to give him 50% more money than the Dodgers. That isin’t somebody who we need on our team.
Atleast AJ and Tex both have made hints that they want to come here.
Saucy: I’ve seen that site. It was in New York magazine the other week I think.
gayle,
It’s not a PR nightmare. This is not on anyone’s radar. You won’t see this mess scrolling on the espn crawl.
We’ll see how many writers will print Mo’s quote and see how they spin it.
Sad, but none of the writers are going to apologize to Joe. Who knew what the deal was. They knew he was covering for Mo. Joe said it blatantly in the post, “It’s my job to protect the players”. And they were still trying to trip him up, even after they got the story from Cashman.
That’s my problem with the whole issue. They knew Joe was covering for Mo and they didn’t care. Furthermore Joe was managing a game, not checking on MRI results, talking with Mo, or getting on the same page as Cash.
wow what a D*ck Girardi is for respecting the wishes of one of the greatest players of all time.
What “hints” have any of the upcoming free agents made to indicate whether or whether or not they want to play for the Yankees?
CC would prefer to pitch on the West Coast…that’s all we know. If the Yankees offer him more money or a longer contract, guess who he’s signing with?
Teixeira has said nothing about wanting to come to the Yankees other than it being known that he grew up a Mattingly fan.
Burnett, I haven’t heard anything about.
Pete
I realize that you have a job to do, but because the organization will not KYA with injury info should mot lead you to bash Joe G. all the time. Having been a fan since the late 60′s has made me appreciate the good times. No fans or writers should have any sense of entitlement, look at the Cubs and complain the Steinbrenners haven’t put us in the position to win every year.
Jorge… you’re just making that up. CC has NEVER said he doesn’t want to come here and even postponed building a home in California until after his FA decision is made. Also this Dodgers owner has shown little interest in being a player in the FA market and his one splurge, Andruw Jones now weighs more than Prine Fielder.
That said, I agree, signing Tex and AJ would do more good than just signing CC.
86w183
Group 1 is the easy answer but that salary doesn’t include a rightfielder so the money is going to be more unless you are putting a player making league minimum in right.
Dice-K will get his 19th win of the season against us in dominant fashion
7 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 5 BB, 10 K
Aceves – 4.1 IP, 7 H, 6 ER, 3 BB, 1 K
Adam— You need to pay closer attention. There have been several posts about AJ’s interest in the Yankees and he gave a pretty good hint with his lavish praise of the organization, the players and the new Stadium the last time he was in NYC.
Tex talked on a national radio show about how he’s an “East Coast Guy” and that he and his wife “Don’t know anyone out here”. I’d say that’s an encouraging sign.
“Dice-K will get his 19th win of the season against us in dominant fashion
7 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 5 BB, 10 K
Aceves – 4.1 IP, 7 H, 6 ER, 3 BB, 1 K”
Can I borrow that Crystal ball sometime? I got some horse races I’d like to get an edge on.
If Nady is in RF there’s no impact except a bat on the bench in the Jason Michaels type category… not a lot of cash there.
Looking out my office window right, there is no way this game is being played. I can’t even see downtown Boston it’s so gross out.
The only clues I’ve heard from any free agent, is that they want to move closer to their best friend Benjamin.
Ortiz is playing 1B? Have the Yankees been re-assigned to the National League because they missed the playoffs?
Imagine a manager HONORING the wishes of his hall of fame pitcher..
shocking and the media getting on him and questioning his temerity is just standard for the the back benchers who have no accountability..
Yeah this is another Girardi invention, he is such a bad guy, imagine keeping his word to his marquis player on and off the field.
NAH king Torre never mislead the press, ask Tito how Beckett is doing? They said he was great weeks ago when he had tingling in his hand for weeks….
The unfairness of the media towards Girardi is evident for anyone who has eyese….
You don’t know CC doesn’t want to come here. I don’t remember reading any quotes by him that said he doesn’t like NYC.
I’m still not convinced the Yankees will sign CC, Tex AND Burnett. Thats a huge chunk of change. I think the yankees will make an effort to reduce the payroll. About 80 million is coming off the books. We’ll see what happens, it’d be awesome to get all 3 of those guys.
pat, the right fielder is Nady.
You think if Burnett wants to be in NY that bad he’ll work real hard to stay healthy when he’s here?
See the Yankees.
See the Yankees scramble to cover Girardi’s lying butt.
See the Yankees looking foolish.
Ridiculous. Mo wanted to tell the media when he was ready,so Girardi covered. Cashman apparently didnt. Get off Girardi’s tail. BTW, he has managed the pitching staff better than Torre ever did.
Mel hate to tell you it is a PR nightmare. Just because it isnt on ESPN doesnt make it a nightmare. It has been talked about in every daily newspaper, every Yankee blog and sports talk radio. If anyone who watched the postgame on YES last night saw the postgame and those are millions a somewhat simple little thing blew up big time.
Now people are questioning the honesty of the manager, questioning the agenda of the media, questioning the agenda of the GM. That is a PR nightmare.
Like Pete said it could have been avoided very easily if they brought the PR person in and had a plan before everyone went to the media. Obviously either that didnt happen or the memo didnt get to some people.
Nice lineup. Go for the jugular. Jeter HR over the monster off Schilling. What? Schilling’s not even on the roster? Never mind.
“So Girardi invented the “it’s his standard physical†story. But Cashman went with the truth. When Girardi was confronted with the truth after the game, he stuck with his lie.”
Why would you assume that Girardi already knew what Cashman said. You can certainly say that they have to coordinate better, but acting like you know every thing that happened, well that is ridiculous.
“Tex talked on a national radio show about how he’s an “East Coast Guy†and that he and his wife “Don’t know anyone out hereâ€. I’d say that’s an encouraging sign.”
Well Tex is from Baltimore. However I doubt he would want to go play for an Orioles team that is not making the post-season for the foreseeable future. His favorite player growing up was Don Mattingly and perhaps that along with a new stadium opening up will attract Tex. I like Tex a lot but I hate that the Yankees have to deal with that snake Boras.
This whole thing got blown out of proportions because of Pete and the beat writers. Instead of waiting to hear what Mo had to say (since it was clear Girardi was acting on Mo’s wishes), they needed a story and created one. If the Yankees had been on their way to the playoffs, we wouldn’t have had this mess because there would have been something real to cover. But since Jeter and company are on their way to Florida and other parts unknown (leaving the beat writers with no story), one last controversy had to be created. Good job, guys. Hope you’re happy!
It’s time to turn the page and start looking to next season. Enough with the nonsense.
Man tough group today…Wonder if everybody’s been hanging out with Randy I on The Cape….Heavy edge to the populace today……
Pete,
Thanks for filling in the blanks on this story, such as they are.
It is absolutely amazing that Mariano had the season he had!
It’s interesting if he did say he’d be available to pitch this weekend. Perhaps we are overreacting a bit, and should take a page from Mo’s book.
I come here for Yankees news, not slop slung by mud-slinging reporters.
The act is getting tired, Pete. I don’t see the issue – not enough to take up the space of a half dozen blog entries. The story should be Mo’s shoulder, period, not how it was reported. Girardi did his best to protect Mo before they knew any DETAILS.
“If Nady is in RF there’s no impact except a bat on the bench in the Jason Michaels type category… not a lot of cash there.”
My point was 3 salaries vs. 4 salaries for the same position is an unfair comparison. If Andy comes back and takes Ponson’s place in the rotation, that would be an extra 7 or 8 million added. The Yanks may shave a little payroll but they aren’t going to cut it drastically unless the big money free agents don’t want to come to NY and they have to go with tier 2 salary free agents.
“You think if Burnett wants to be in NY that bad he’ll work real hard to stay healthy when he’s here?”
I dunno I think AJ is a good fit in the rotation. Filthy stuff, great velocity and hes a gamer who can go deep in a game. The problem is keeping him on the field, hes certainly no Pavano the guy actually has a desire to go to the park and blow away hitters.
gayle,
I’ll take your word for it. But from the outside looking in, it’s not even a story. From the outside the writers look bad. Even after seeing two doctors, Mo says he’s available to pitch. Doesn’t mean he will, but I do recall Girardi saying that Mo would be in Boston.
*outside the greater New York area.
Rivera’s pitches come from Source.
Maybe Joe should have said Mo will speak to you tomorrow.
But if he did that it would have caused a firestorm.
He told the media what his player requested he do. Maybe the issue should be lame duck Brian, for throwing his manager under the bus.
What has happened to this blog? It has turned into one writer with an agenda.
Nobody wants to deal with Boras, but he’s hard to avoid. I think a real key is getting the player as involved in the process as possible. If it’s a pure, hard core squeeze out every dollar deal then I wouldn’t want any part of it. I think this year’s big three FA (assuming AJ opts out) are all going to be very involved in choosing their future home and won’t just take the best offer regardless.
Teixeria listed Anahiem, NY, and Seattle as his favorite road cities after he was traded to the Angels. He talked about how much he loves NY (when the Braves came to Shea earlier in the year) and his sister and her husband live in NJ and work in the city so he visits this area a lot.
The Yankees players have done everything possible to make their wishes for Burnett known. Bruney even mentioned him by name this morning. Waldman said that AJ has all but come out and said he wants to come here. Back when we signed Pavano, there was speculation Burnett asked to be traded to the Yankees to play with him and that annoyed Jack McKeon. Burnett said he wants to play East and be close to his Maryland home. Back when he struck out 13 against us a few weeks ago, there were 2-3 articles which talked about a ‘buzz’ in the clubhouse that AJ badly wanted to play here. He always has had praise for us as well when he beat us.
AJ and Tex have made their wishes known via the media.
this mess is 100% cashman’s fault
he is the one who threw girardi under the bus
Well, I guess the good news is that they want to be here.
Wow, Girardi with the A-lineup out there.
Pat— it’s not an unfair comparison because the Yanks are adding Matsui to a lineup he was virtually invisible in PLUS an entire season of Xavier Nady. Therefore they will be adding fewer players than get rid of.
Right now they have Abreu, Matsui, Damon and Nady for three jobs (LF, RF, DH). I don’t viewe Damon as a CF possibility except on occasion next season. therefore Abreu does not have to be replaced on the roster.
Pete,
Funny. After Cash let the cat out of the bag, Joe G. should’ve fessed up?
“Haha, guys. I was just kidding. What was that question again?”
“What has happened to this blog? It has turned into one writer with an agenda.”
Pete has an agenda, but it’s probably not the one you think it is. I think that Pete has an issue with Girardi and his supposed lack of truthfulness and can’t go a day without telling us about it, but that’s not his agenda. The guy wants hits on his blog. What better way to accomplish that than by continually posting about something he knows Yankee fans get all up in arms about? It’s the same reason he does those little digs at A-Rod; because he knows that people like me (huge A-Rod defender here) are going to complain about it.
Pete’s posts serve a purpose. It’s our decision if we are going to go along with it or not. I enjoy talking to other Yankee fans so I’ll still come here, but I agree with most that the anti-Girardi posts are starting to grate on my nerves.
Gardner is hitting .289 in September (16 games) with a .325 OBP and a .421 slugging. He has only struck out 9 times in 38 ABs. 3 doubles, 1 triple too.
He has really mashed the ball lately. I think getting a lot of playing time really helped him, he was a notorious slow starter but now he is on fire.
I guess Pete is also calling a Mo a liar. After all he pitched the entire season with a sore shoulder and didn’t tell Joe.
So, as of 4:16 PM, Girardi was still a liar for abiding by the wishes of and promise he made to Rivera. Just because Cashman shot his mouth off and went against Rivera’s wishes, still can’t see Girardi as being a liar. I’m sure that Rivera isn’t the first player to ask Girardi to cover for an injury. That’s one of the many ways the manager earns the players respect. He keeps it to himself. I’m also sure that Pettitte, Posada, Jeter and a couple of other players knew about it. should they be roasted for not spilling their guts to the media?
I don’t think anyone can argue that Tex won’t be an impact player.
He’s worth pursuing at least. If we don’t get him, it’ll just cost that much more for the other team.
Melky/Gardner will be fine in CF, and Jackson will be ready not later than ’10, we are in a good position here. Girardi does not want Damon and his cranky attitude around the young guys, he’ll be gone this offseason. As for our 1B, Matsui said he’d be willing to play, and Nady can play as well.
I’d go out and sign Casey Blake. A solid RH contact bat who is an exceptional defender, and can play 1B, 3B, LF, RF. This would vastly improve our team defense and flexibility, not to mention chemistry.
Position Outlook
C-Posada, Molina, Cervelli
1B-Blake, Matsui, Nady, Miranda
2B-Cano, Betemit, Corona, Pena
SS-Jeter, Betemit, Pena, Corona
3B-ROD, Betemit
LF- Matsui, Blake, Melky, Gardner
CF-Gardner, Melky, Jackson, Christian
RF-Nady, Blake, Melky, Christian
DH-Matsui, Posada
One thing Girardi said was how half he time his cell phone didn’t work in that stadium. Pete himself has said how ironic it was that the stadium named for a communications giant has spotty service at best. Why couldn’t the benefit of the doubt be given that Girardi and Cashman simply missed connections? Not everything is a conspiracy.
And I agree with whoever said there’ll be no apologies to Joe for the way he was hounded last night.
I liked the way Gardner hit Halladay last night.
Mo didn’t tell Joe he had a sore shoulder cause he knew he wouldn’t pitch him. Mo sucked it up and pitched with it anyway.
To me Joe showed something to his players, he was sitting there taking loads of slings and arrows when after he started to get hit, he could have simply said. My player asked that I not say anything, but since my general manager went against Mo’s request, than yes Mo returned to NY for an Mri on his shoulder.
Girardi should win something or at least do something good or important before thinking who he is. He gets a pass for his attitude, lying, poor job performance once he does something, or produces
If I’m a player in that clubhouse who watched the hounding Joe took to protect MO, I have even more respect for him.
But we have a bunch of vets who march to their own drum and go their own ways, they are not really a team anyway, so I doubt they take much interest in the ‘team unity’ concept. But on any other real team, what Girardi did resonated in the clubhouse.
jennifer,
But it shouldn’t have gotten to that point. They knew he was protecting Mo and they wouldn’t back off. They already had the story from Cashman. Kim started off the session with “Brian Cashman’s already…” and after hearing Joe’s denials two times, they should’ve accepted it.
But they were trying to trip up Joe G. or embarrass him.
If Cashman kept his mouth shut and didn’t try to undermine his manager, this wouldn’t be a story.
This is 100% Cashman’s fault. Amazing how Girardi protects his player and still get hounded while Cashman throws his hand-picked manager under the bus and gets a pass.
The blame game doesn’t work any better on this blog than it does in Washington.
Now, it doesn’t matter after Peter attacked Girardi over and over again.
86
All I’m saying is to leave money out of it because until the 2009 roster is nailed down, you won’t know how or if they are going to save money.
Cashman’s one good quality was dealing with the players and management and even that he screwed up.
Time for him to go, Showalter step in the ring.
Rumor also has it that Burnett’s wife loves Toronto, and negotiations are now ongoing for an extension to Burnett.
3 years at 16M/per with a 4th year based on innings pitched?
With the economy, it will be interesting to see if any effect on monies and FA signings. With credit tight the Yankees might have to let go all the concession stand workers, which means you’ll buy the $10 hot dog and have to cook it yourself!!
Cashman throwing Girardi under the bus on his way out the door?
YT,
Burnett’s going to leave Toronto. The fans gave him a fond farewell.
Unfortunately, the fans also saluted Pavano!
Rebecca,
I don’t think most of the people bashing Gardner have see his recent at bats.
He is looking more and more like a real hitter to me and I can tell from his approach that he has the kind of attitude this team needs more of.
I’m not saying we guarantee him CF, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him out there next year.
Brandon-
LMAO on your 3:42 link about the Yankees new vacation stadium.
didn’t expect to ever say this on a NYY board:
who is everyone pulling for, in the AL and NL playoffs ?
Is Wakefield or Dice K starting tonight? Pete has Wakefield listed in the line-up area with Cash catching but he gives the match ups with Dice K. Anyone know which it is?
Mel-
What do you think Burnett’s contract will be? Look up his situational stats on cbssportline.com and tell me if you feel he’s a good signing.
Well Pete, you successfully made a fool out of yourself.
G. Love: I’ve been impressed with his play recently, too. I’m a little concerned that he doesn’t seem to have a lot of power, but I understand that you don’t necessarily eed to have power to be an effective hitter, especially if you have speed like Gardner does.
You get three hits off Halladay like Gardner did, you’re going to get major points in my book.
Mel and others how would the writers know that he was covering up for Mo. They are not mind readers and based on past issues when it comes to injuries at this point they cannot assume anything in that regard is correct.
People make decisions and reads based on past interactions with people. The writers past interactions when it comes to Girardi and injuries has not been stellar. Why do you think they tracked down Cashman in the first place?
That is why I said that the mistake in this whole thing was not getting Zillo involved from the start and getting everyone on the same page which clearly they were not.
Last word on this issue for me time for me to root for my Phillies and put some voodoo on the Mets.
Braintrust,
No question— Cashman’s actions this entire ear indicae he has one foot out the door. Throwing his manager under the bus just affirmed that.
“who is everyone pulling for, in the AL and NL playoffs ?”
I was pulling for the Yankees, but that didn’t turn out too well.
My prediction is LAA vs PHI in the World Series.
I hope that the Cubs lose first round!
vinny: Twins and Cubs.
According to the news, the Mets are on for tonight.
Why isn’t the Hobbitt in tonight’s lineup? Did David Ortiz accidentally step on him?
Some people don’t realize that you can win games without having all-stars at every position. Pitching, Speed, Defense will prevail more times than not (don’t believe me look at the Rays, I rest my case.)
Sean L,
I would love to see that team in ’09, but Cashman will probably go out and spend millions on the next “savior” Teixeria. Sabathia should be the only big fish we go after.
A rotation of
1. Sabathia
2. Wang
3. Pettitte
4. Joba
5. Hughes
would give us a chance to win day in and day out.
2009 lineup
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Matsui DH
ARod 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Nady RF
Casey Blake 1B
Gardner CF
Tex is a great player…but is he a premier player? Or is he more complementary like Abreu? There are a number of scouts who think he is more Abreu than dominate, team leader.
Pete:
Remember Melky was also looking good as a defensive center fielder who can hit pretty decent last year.All gardner got is some speed.He hasn’t hit.Yankee fans need to relax when a prospect plays a few games.
Thats why we lost this year by overrhyping these players thinking we can risk the season by having them as starteers.
vinny-b
I’m rooting for the Tampa Bay Rays to beat the Cubs in the WS in seven games. Both teams make a pile of money.
A-Rod in the offseason says he wants to waive his no trade to go to the Cubs because he thinks he can be a difference maker and the pressure of NY is getting to him. Cubs sold to Mark Cuban and they contact the Yankees offering Aramis Ramirez and Alfonso Soriano for A-Rod and Johnny Damon, to help make the contracts even out.
Rooting for:
Twins over Rays in 5
Angels over Red Sox in 4
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Cubs over Dodgers in 4
Phillies over Milwaukee in 4
I think my NL matchups are correct…Cubs cannot play WC Milwaukee, so defaults to Phils playing Milwaukee?
gayle,
the point is: none of it mattered anyway. 90% of NYY fans, would’ve been satisfied waiting until the season was officially over, to find out the injury details.
bottom line is, Rivera still has to have surgery. Pete’s “efforts” changed nothing. Except for maybe p*ssing off people. General manager, manager, and fans alike.
“Damon LF
Jeter SS
Matsui DH
ARod 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Nady RF
Casey Blake 1B
Gardner CF”
Not bad, but you’ve got Matsui too high and you are missing Abreu. I want him re-signed.
Not sure Pettitte and his elbow would be better than Mussina next year. Much rather have a healthy Moose than an injured or worn down Andy. No way they should have both in the rotation…that would be a repeat of this year. With a healthy Wang and Joba plus one of either Moose or Pettitte…you still need two starters. Figure the Moose / Pettitte slot to be at number 4. You can use a kid at number 5 (Coke, Aceves, Hughes?). For the top three, you can slot in Wang…but Joba will be on an innings limit. The need for a top flight starter is most glaring.
I will be rooting for the demise of the Dodgers, Mets, Angels, Cubs, and Red Sox.
I guess I’m with the Rays and Phils.
I will root for the Angels over the Sox
Will root for the Mets over the Dodgers
Will root for the Cubs over the Dodgers
Wil root for the Dodgers over the Red Sox
Will root for Angels over the Dodgers
Will root for Cubs over the Red Sox
Will root for the Angels over the Mets
Will root for the Mets over the Red Sox
vinny–my picks: the Angels and the Phils (though I’d rather see Lou and Soriano’s Cubs)
Mel, you asked in an earlier subject about whether or not Jesus Montero had or will outgrow the catcher’s position, and I posted what I saw of him and Romine when they played in Charleston this season. If you want it reposted, I’ll put it here.
If Girardi doesnt think he needs to answer questions from the media, or if Joe thinks its a waste of time, or if Joe doesnt want to answer the questions truthfully why doesnt he just not answer them or say no comment?
I find it hard to believe so many people are defending and backing Girardi. He has no track record, did a poor job this year. Its not like he is some great baseball mind that was a winner someplace else.
I would give him another year but this guy is not Red Schoedinst (sorry for the spelling)
“A-Rod in the offseason says he wants to waive his no trade to go to the Cubs because he thinks he can be a difference maker and the pressure of NY is getting to him. ”
Huh? You really see A-Rod making such a statement? I want some of whatever it is that you are smokin’.
“Cubs sold to Mark Cuban and they contact the Yankees offering Aramis Ramirez and Alfonso Soriano for A-Rod and Johnny Damon, to help make the contracts even out”.
These contracts aren’t even close. People who keep fantasizing about A-Rod leaving are going to be disappointed for years to come.
Anyone give any thought to John Garland for next year?
29 years old, think he’s a FA? Eats innings…
Just got around to reading your update. You look pathetic, Pete. Go give Girardi an apology…but since you weren’t man enough to call him a liar to his face, you certainly don’t have the backbone to apologize to him for standing up for his player.
That’s what leaders do…protect their people.
Sad, Pete…sad.
(Rationalize your writing and behavior all you want. You look petty and small.)
Jonathan’s right- Tampa Bay won with solid starting pitching, not one .300 hitter and players who stepped up with a different player coming thru each night, especially with Longoria and crawford out.
I really think we should attempt to sign two quality FA starters, which would allow us to trade some of our minor league pitching for young athletic position players.
Winter ball will be fun
Romine
Jackson
Brackman
Hughes
Bleich
Sanchez
Romine has the makings of a star, I’m keeping an eye on him.
yankee trader: I would sign up for that. Trade included.
If we want to see these young guys get better they have to play. Bottom line, their not gonna get any better sitting on the bench. After 7 years of delaying the inevitable youth movement, going out and signing more FAs is not gonna help the problem. We are an OLD team, time to start playing the young guys. Girardi realizes this, just hope Cashman doesn’t make anymore dumb moves.
“Heavy edge to the populace today……”
maybe it was that little financial crisis that is said to be the worst since the depression. at least for the adults on the blog.
actually pat m, i bought a bunch of apple stock today when it plummeted in price. call me crazy, but i like to zig when other people zag.
It’s been a decade of new teams and old friends returning to the World Series.
With that in mind I would lean towards a Rays vs Cubs matchup.
It fits the pattern.
If your plans are to have both Hughes and Chamberlain in the same rotation, you’re going to be a starting pitcher short. They are still going to be about 60+ innings short each, and the bullpen can’t pick that up.
“I find it hard to believe so many people are defending and backing Girardi.”
I’m not defending or backing his performance as manager this year; just his position in this current controversy. His player asked him to keep something a secret. He did so despite being harassed by the media, who are desperate for a story now that the Yankees are in the toilet. Girardi did the right thing; he stood by Mo and honored his wishes.
My playoff predictions:
Angels over Red Sox
Rays over Twins
Rays over Angels
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Brewers over Phillies
Cubs over Dodgers
Cubs over Brewers
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Cubs over Rays
Cone’s Labrum: If the Yankees needed a three or four starter I’d certainly go after Garland, but they need a one or two type.
Randy: Good for you, macs rule!
The Florida Marlins officially knocked the Mets out last season. They are here with a chance to do it again. I do hope that history repeats itself!
TB over MIN in 6 games
BOS over LA in 7 games
TB over BOS in 7 games
PHI over LAD in 6 games
CHC over NYM in 6 games
PHI over CHC in 7 games
PHI over TB in 5 games
Laura-
Not smoking anything! Drinking! TGIF!! No, really, if A-Rod doesn’t come thru in the clutch again next year, he might just wish he was out of NY. No matter if he breaks the homerun record, he’ll never be considered a “true” Yankee- like Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Mantle, Berra.
Arod wants to go to Chicago? Thats great! except they do not have anything to give us back that would be equal return.
They certainly won`t trade Lee, and there isnt anyone on that team that could help us thats tradeable
I’m not defending Girardi. I just would like a little more professionalism from the “media” that covers this team. This is ridiculous petty high school stuff. You’re supposed to hide your bias a little bit better than this.
Garland is a socal guy, even more so than Sabathia. His price is more reasonable too, its very likely he signs with a california team.
Jon Garland eats innings to the tune of a 5.00 ERA….no thanks.
“Jonathan’s right- Tampa Bay won with solid starting pitching, not one .300 hitter and players who stepped up with a different player coming thru each night, especially with Longoria and crawford out.
I really think we should attempt to sign two quality FA starters, which would allow us to trade some of our minor league pitching for young athletic position players.”
Some of these fans might be too young to remember how we won our championships in the 90′s. We had our star players sure, but the role players were so critical in that dynasty. Fundamentals and team chemistry will prevail over an All-Star lineup every time ( too many examples, see Yankee playoffs ’02-’07).
“Not smoking anything! Drinking! TGIF!! No, really, if A-Rod doesn’t come thru in the clutch again next year, he might just wish he was out of NY. No matter if he breaks the homerun record, he’ll never be considered a “true†Yankee- like Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Mantle, Berra.”
I can understand A-Rod wanting to leave (the fans treat him like dirt!), but I just don’t see him admitting to the world that he couldn’t handle NYC (which I don’t believe, by the way). I don’t think his ego lets him do that.
In ’96? Jeter was not a star, Pettitte was not a star, Mo was not a star, nor Posada or Girardi. Tino was a semi-star, as was O’Neill. Cone and Key were. Wettland was. Boggs was in a state of decline. I’d say Bernie was a star at that point.
A friend once brought up a point that Alex is immensley talented, but he doesn’t know how to handle the fame that accompanies it.
Jon Garland eats innings to the tune of a 5.00 ERA….no thanks.
he will have to battle Posada for #20. last offseason, Garland paid Juan Rivera for that number.
“A friend once brought up a point that Alex is immensley talented, but he doesn’t know how to handle the fame that accompanies it.”
That sounds about right. If he hadn’t messed up his relationship with Jeter, Derek could have helped him in that regard.
My postseason picks? Anyone and everyone but the Sux.
A-Rod to the Cubs for Edmonds, Ted Lilly, and Neal Cotts
one and done for the red sox. pass the energy.
I’ve read on this blog that we should have signed Carlos Beltran in January of 2005, who Boras said would be willing to play for the Yankees for 19M less than the 119M he signed with the Mets.
What FA’s did we sign that year- wasn’t it Damon and Farnsworth, plus an extension to Matsui, that kept us from having interest in Beltran??
I don’t think we need to trade A-Rod, I think we need to get him to change his uni number.
Unless you can find a #13 playing for a team that won the World Series, then I’ll shut up.
Yankee Trader: Did we sign Sheffield that year? Or am I confusing Beltran and Guerrero?
Apple ??? I should look at that being my portfolio has deperciated by 65 K since March….I do have Apple Corp. shares, as The Beatles will always return a divadend…..Are you since on the Cape ???…Blog is bogged down today I think….Respect the Clubhouse a little I believe…
i agree about center field being in good hands in 2010.i read that ajax was the best defensive outfielder in the league he plays in and one scout said he is a 5 tool athlete who could be great.
A-Rod to the Cubs for Edmonds, Ted Lilly, and Neal Cotts
Steve Phillips, is that you?
Yankee Trader – I think Damon came here the following season. If I recall the year Beltran was available the choice was between spending the money for Beltran or trading for Randy Johnson and the Yanks went with Johnson.
Just heard about rocco baldelli having md. Very sad news
they should play him in a game now just to give him a taste.
Keith Law was 100% right on Hughes. Law is always objective too, so his opinion carries a lot of weight.
Its funny, Laura. I thought I could manage to root for the Cubs if I had to – due to their longsuffering blah blah blah.
Then I read the article on Hanks latest tirade on Fox Sports and reviewed the sheer amount of hatred and biled spewed by fans of other teams – mostly Red Sox and Cubs fans.
I instantly jumped on the “Screw the Cubs” bandwagon. Their whole miserable fanbase deserves to be miserable – from a karmic perspective alone.
Wow. Did everyone hear Girardi’s apology on Francessa’s show just now?
Unless you can find a #13 playing for a team that won the World Series, then I’ll shut up.
Didn’t Leyritz win wearing #13.
Unless you can find a #13 playing for a team that won the World Series, then I’ll shut up.
Rebecca: I actually found someone that wore #13 and won the World Series. The Reds retired #13 for Dave Concepción (click the name). He was a shortstop for the Reds.
Please don’t shut up, keep on talking. lol
gayle:
muscluar dystrophy?
I have to say that the little respect I ever might have had for the NY press is now in the toilet with their collective persona.
Not of one the losers I’m sure feels the least bit of remorse for dumping all over Girardi and judging and besmirching him last night when he was honoring his commitment to Mo and protecting his player. In fact I think they wear it like a badge of honor and will stand and giggle about it like morons instead of showing any kind of character.
Anyone with a bit of integrity would stand up at the next postgame and apologize on behalf of the entire group. But that would take integrity and character. Expect instead some ridiculous smokescreening and perhaps even more questions on Mariano as part of the bravado they love to wear on their sleeves.
I get nauseous just thinking about it.
Pat -
yes, he did.
Rocco Balldelli has muscular dystrophy? Or something else?
Cashman needs to apologize for apologizing about Girardi lying.
No and I’m happy I didn’t since I don’t think he’s the one who should be apologizing to anyone.
knicks: what did Law say (re: Hughes) ?
Everyone hear Girardi’s interview on Mike’s show? Said he feels like s—– and sounded like he was about to cry.
It’s a shame Pete couldn’t have waited until he knew the whole story before filling the morning links with 6 stories calling Girardi a filthy liar.
When it comes to press though, it’s write stories now and get the facts later.
“Rocco Balldelli has muscular dystrophy? Or something else?”
Something else Rebecca. I forget the actual diagnose but it had to do with something that kept his muscles from regenerating, something like that, but definitely not MD.
Baldelli diagnosed with muscular dystrophy
Horrible, horrible news.
Thoughts and prayers with him and his family.
“It’s a shame Pete couldn’t have waited until he knew the whole story before filling the morning links with 6 stories calling Girardi a filthy liar.
When it comes to press though, it’s write stories now and get the facts later.”
Hard to disagree with you.
Yes rebecca muscular dystrophy
Baldelli has a form of muscular dystrophy that affects his leg strength but his doctor thinks he can continue to play with proper training and medication.
Oh my God, and sorry Rebecca. I thought you were talking about the initial diagnosis. I didn’t know there was more.
Clint, I heard the end of it. Francessa played it.
Shame on Cashman for even putting his manager in that spot.
Sheffield came in 2004[Steinbrenner wanted him instead of Vlad] along with Tom Gordon and Matsui.
pat: I hope that’s the case.
I think all Girardi has to do is maybe acknowledge perhaps he didn’t handle it as well as it could have, and learn from it.
I really think though perhaps he is owed an apology for how he was treated in the post game last night, I’ve seen behavior like mostly only on CourtTV.
He won’t get it though, I’m sure.
Trisha & Rebecca –
This is what Baldelli has:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3289650
“Sheffield came in 2004[Steinbrenner wanted him instead of Vlad] along with Tom Gordon and Matsui.”
A-rod trade was also in the 2003 offseason.
I’m getting confused. Is this old news or new news? I knew about the original diagnosis and that was a while ago. Is this something new that just came out today?
Hank/Hal, Cahsman, Girardi = re-creation of the 80s. Where incompetence and ineptitude rule.
Cashman should be out the door at the end of the year.
Rebecca: thank you, for the link.
very sad. Will be praying for Rocco.
So are both Wakefield and Dice-K starting tonight?
Trisha -
he was diagnosised during the beginning of spring training of this year.
Ed: There’s more recent.
The link I had was to an article that came out today.
“I think all Girardi has to do is maybe acknowledge perhaps he didn’t handle it as well as it could have, and learn from it.
I really think though perhaps he is owed an apology for how he was treated in the post game last night, I’ve seen behavior like mostly only on CourtTV.
He won’t get it though, I’m sure.”
Angel, I seriously don’t know what else Girardi could have done last night. He was honoring Mo’s request and protecting him. He really kept his cool, despite the badgering. He was between a rock and a hard place.
I do agree that he is owed an apology and I also agree that he is unlikely to get one. The press, to me, is full of itself and walks around with puffed chests and a sense of entitlement – especially the NY/NJ press.
Here’s the Baldelli link from yesterday.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/n.....a2fb968810
…And so the madness of the offseason begins…
pat m -
i live on cape cape.
i”m surrounded by these crazy people of red sox nation on a permanent basis.
if your angels can put a whoopin on the sox in the first round it will make living here much easier.
seriously , 3 world championships in 5 years and two in a row would be too much to take.
i think i’d be leaving the country
buenos aries sounds good.
they play soccer there right?
TeKNetick
Good analysis, for a 4 year old.
Rocco Baldelli has a mitochondrial disease. This means that his mitchondria do not generate energy in the normal way. There is no cure. It is not going to get better. While he has been very gutsy and courageous in coming back, and it really is a triumph for him, he will be very limited in athletic activities. He will tire out much more easily, and it remains to be seen how he will do over the course of a full season.
While I have a lot of respect for Baldelli for coming back as he has, it is not a hopeful condition.
Never knew you resided on The Cape,,,love it there…For the record,,,I despise the Angels and their fans…Very tough on us Yankee Fans ….I follow the Bums, love Vinny Scully…..You’re a marked man up there old buddy…..
I suppose so. Up until recently, I’ve really stayed away from making too much of a comment over this whole thing, figuring that up till that point I could be honest and see that that perhaps there was a little bit of fault on both sides at times.
I’ve definitely come to the conclusion though, that there are some press members that appear to have a definite axe to grind. Whether they actually do or not is another thing all together, but if they’re giving that impression off to people who have previously been fairly neutral and objective of the whole situation, then perhaps there is something to it. That affects their perceived credibility with their reading audience as much as it does Girardi’s so called credibility with them.
In respecting Mariano’s wishes, then I guess you’re correct in that in thinking about it I really don’t know how it could have been handled that wouldn’t have resulted in the debacle it did.
Rebecca -
thanks for the heads up. it takes alot of courage for him to come out and telling people he won’t retire despite his disease. sadly, his days with the Rays are over. they are going to decline his option this offseason.
E-Rod September 26th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Wow. Did everyone hear Girardi’s apology on Francessa’s show just now?
Missed it. What did Joe say exactly?
There’s really a placed called cape cape?
Thats kinda cool.
randy I – you live in the middle of Red Sox nation? My deepest sympathies. (It also helps explain some of your stridency.)
Is there going to be a game tonight or are they stretching this thing out to sell a few more beers and hotdogs?
randy I – you live in the middle of Red Sox nation? My deepest sympathies. It also explains the stridency in some of your posts.
Sorry for the double post. I’m having some trouble with my laptop keys.
If Girardi has nothing to apologize for, why do you think he did it?
I can understand differing points of view on this issue. However, the guy just apologized to the entire press corp for HIS actions.
If he did “nothing wrong”, why do that?
Both sides (Girardi and the media) has legitimate issues with one another.
As Girardi correctly states, he has to find a better way to communicate these issues to the media.
Before the uninformed say, “HE DOESN’T HAVE TO DO THAT”. Yes he does. Its part of his job responsibilities as a manager.
Its not the GM’s job to give daily reports.
So, I guess Pettitte was hurt after all.
Cash? I think 50-50 is the right play here. Could go either way.
If he leaves, they will have to bring in somebody from the outside because as Pete correctly states, nobody inside the organization is qualified to replace him.
If they do bring somebody in from the outside, Girardi immediately moves to the hot seat because a new GM has no loyalty to a manager he didn’t hire.
Gonna be a wild off-season in the Bronx.
Theres no chance they will play this game tonight
You need keys to drive your laptop?
GB7,
Yes, would appreciate a repost.
“Hal, Cahsman, Girardi = re-creation of the 80s. Where incompetence and ineptitude rule.”
in the 1980s, they would have traded Hughes & Melancon for Santana. Right after they traded Cano for Jim Edmonds.
Eiland would have been fired, replaced by Billy Connors. who would have been fired and replaced by Mark Connor when Girardi was fired in mid-July and replaced by Tony Pena.
That’s terrible news on Baldelli. One of the real good guys in the game and one of the few Rhode Island natives to ever make it to the majors.
Just goes to show you how fragile life and health can be.
I like to read “Deep in the Red” on YES networks website. I don’t know how he manages to live in the middle of Red Sox territory the way he does. His stories are certainly an education.
looks like the mets will play not raining till 11
So, then wouldn’t that mean Hal doesn’t have the mythical ‘power’ he was touted to have then?
Otherwise, he should be able to control Hank and keep him out of the baseball operations and stop him from embarrassing the organization with his stupid statements.
If Cash walks, it means the notion that Hal is this great Cashman supporter and powerful figure is false.
How is it possible that a billion dollar organzation like the Yankees hasn’t been grooming anyone as a possible replacement for Cashman? There’s no way any big organization should be so dependent on one person. This is madness!
Yes Angel there is a cool place called Cape Cape, and only the ultra cool people are invited
Okay, so now the players have the added pressure of not getting hurt next year? Otherwise that’ll put Girardi on the hot seat?
Goodbye, AJ
well, the ny scumbag sports media win again!
Ed: I can’t imagine what he’s going through. It’d be like telling a singer that they’ve lost use of their vocal chords, or similar.
Kudos for him to try to stick it out, but it will be a hard road.
Figures, Pat M. So cool it has to be said twice.
Hank’s foolish statements and interference (like during the Santana negotiations, the Posada negotiations, etc.) are not conducive for a GM to do his job.
Either Cashman decides he can deal with that or he goes elsewhere. At some point, dealing with such nonsense must be tiresome
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Looks as if this last paragraph may fit in well with Girardi and the media slugs, too.
GB7,
You haven’t heard? Being a GM is so easy, a beat writer could do it.
Where’s my Jesus repost?
That’s sad news about Baldelli. My prayers go to him and his family.
If Cashman walks, just plug in Showalter. What’s the problem? Mark Newman and co. will still oversee the minors so it’s not like that area will suffer. We’ll still be paying overslot for talent.
There are only 2 concerns with a new GM
1. He will not have any attachment to our prospects like Cahsman does. Cash would never trade Hughes if his life depended on it. A new GM doesn’t have that attachment and would probably shop Hughes in a heartbeat. Really, this only applies to Hughes. Remember, Hal is controlling things too, so it’s not like he will authorize trading away good prospects.
2. Girardi. However, don’t Buck and Girardi have a great relationship? If we bring in a foreign GM, this will becme more of an issue. But again, this the owner’s call. Hank loves Girardi and Hal is a Girardi supporter as well.
Other than that, whats the problem with a new GM?
SJ44
September 26th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
If Girardi has nothing to apologize for, why do you think he did it?
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This apology smacks of something that was directed from higher up to cover the front office.
“If Girardi has nothing to apologize for, why do you think he did it?”
I didn’t even bother with the rest of your post since it opened with this question.
I can tell you why I think he did it. Because he’s been around the pirhanas in the New York press long enough to know that there isn’t any honor among them and that they’d continue to do their level best to make him a pariah.
The whole bunch make me sick.
Cashman will be back. To even suggest that he might not is just another way for Pete to drag out the subject and getting people to continue discussing it since it’s a sexy subject.
They say there’s no honor among thieves. I feel dirty even reading the crap put out by these charlatans parading as reporters.
Just my opinion of course!
Let’s Go Brewers! Is that bad of me to say?
i still think Ian Kennedy can be a star, too many people are giving up on him.
when it is all said and done, he could be even better than hughes. his stuff is comparable to hughes too.
Rebecca -
“Right now my job is limited. I don’t do what I used to do. I’m not the outfielder I was, or wish I could be. But I’m pretty confident when I go to the plate, I think I can still swing the bat well and produce.â€
Baldelli’s words of encouragement.
Read this awesome article.
I hope the press corps is happy, they finally broke Joe.
Curiously did any senior members of the press pull him aside about how he was handling everything? Or did any member of the Yankees org pull him aside?
There is no more fragile situation in sports than a coach/manager working for the GM that didn’t hire him.
In many of those cases, the new GM is looking to bring in his “own guy”. Happens all the time.
You hope the Yankees aren’t in that spot in the off-season.
I don’t think its just Hank. Its the Yankees. Its a VERY tough place to work.
So many factions. So much BS. It wears on you after awhile. Even if you know how to play the game, which Cash can do with the best of them. Its a LOT of politics.
If its not Hank, its Randy Levine and his BS. If its not them, its people in Tampa who “suggest” something to George, and you have to spend the day unraveling the luncacy of the “suggestion”.
If its not that, its dealing with the manager’s BS over trivial matters.
Then, its that “small job” of fixing the team. You know, negotiate with free agents to be, find out the surgical list for the off-season, get scouting reports together etc.
The guy has been there for 20 years. That’s like 40 years in a regular job, IMO.
First day he started as a Yankee, as an intern, his “job” was to be “muscle” to escort Jim Bowden out of the building after George fired him.
Cash had to make sure he didn’t take any scouting reports with him. Some introduction to the joys of working for the Yankees! lol
I hope he stays and I hope he can add more qualified baseball people to the payroll. That would be best for the Yankees, IMO.
They bring in a new guy? Its like fresh chum for some of the suckups in the organization. It will take that guy a year just to get the knives out of his back.
am i seeing things or is wakefield starting now?
mel September 26th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
“There’s a possibility that Seattle will be the first $100M team to lose 100 games. That’s $1M/loss. Ouch.”
Means nothing.
Yanks = 200 mil and 72 losses or 2.77 mil per loss.
Patrick,
Saying a pitcher may be ‘better than Hughes’ isin’t exactly a ringing endorsement. It’s like saying Gardner may be a better hitter than Melky.
What happened to the old Pete? Please bring him back for next year.
Think things are bad in Yankee land?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3609799
Mel, here’s the repost. I’m no expert, but, I watched these kids play over 70 games this year…I like good, cheap entertainment.
mel
September 26th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Brandon,
Who’s Montero? A catcher who’ll outgrow his position? He’s what, 3 years away?
Matsui/Damon/Posada are not 1B, nor in their prime.
I’d like to have CC, but I won’t be shedding tears if we don’t get him.
Yes, he’s an ace. Yes, he’s durable. But we really need offense. And good defense.
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Mel, I wouldn’t be so sure that Montero won’t be a catcher in the majors, and certainly not because of his size. He’s a little taller than most, most, he’s not pudgy with a lost of baby fat. he’s 6′3″-6′4″ and 225 pounds. Carlton Fisk was 6′2″ and 220-225 pounds. Montero is solid, and, defensively he’s a fine catcher…actually he’s been better defensively than Austin Romine. I don’t go too much on the steals vs caught stealing (neither had great numbers) because none of the pitchers hold the runners close. Both need to work on blocking pitches, though….too many passed balls…Montero w/11 and Romine w/18, but, Montero caught nearly twice as many games. Both of them will be in Trenton by mis-season, I think. One thing they can both do is hit.
I think that Laird will also be in Trenton by mid-season, playing first base. I also think that Romine will start playing some outfield. He’s pretty quick and has a good arm…think Elston Howard in his first 5-6 years. Montero will also learn to play some first base, as most catchers do.
MooseCall, succession planning hasn’t exactly been a Yankee strength. Not in the ownership, not in the FO, pretty debatable on the field too.
Having a lot of cash has let them play “see need, get bodies” for a long time.
“well, the ny scumbag sports media win again!”
I have some very vulgar words I would like to call them but it wouldn’t make it past the censor, plus we’re not supposed to do that. Use your imagination and think of the most vile vulgarities – and even that doesn’t do it!
“Yes Angel there is a cool place called Cape Cape, and only the ultra cool people are invited”
Donh’t tell anyone then, but I’ve been there many many times.
This is going to be a WILD off-season. Really, this is going to be a wild ending to the baseball season and playoffs too.
Where would they go for a GM? Would they bring in a young exec from Oakland, Arizona etc. to work with Stick? Would Afterman take over in the interim? Would Hal become the GM himself for this off-season with input from Stick, Girardi, Newman, Felix Lopez, etc.?
Pete,
Why did you let Joe apologize? You’re the one who should be apologizing. How dare you question the almighty Joe. Can’t you see the herd wants a shepard, not a journalist!
I think they all need to apologize for their behavior.
Let Montero/Romine/Laird be part of a DH/OF/1B/C platoon!
i previously had heard that sexson was let go for being part of the anti-ichiro faction.
Ed,
Thanks for the link to the article about Baldelli. 26. Wow.
This whole Girardi thing just illustrates how obnoxious the media has gotten. Joe lied? who cares? I’m a fan but I couldn’t care less that Mo went home early after the season was done for what could be minor surgery. Fans are fans and fanatical but the media was out for Girardi last night. I saw the postgame and they simply wanted to goad him, Girardi did NOT get testy until asked the same question like 50X!
Kim Jones & Joel Sherman were beyond insufferable.
GB,
Of the higher ups, I don’t see anybody who would force him to do it.
Joe is a good guy. He did the right thing because he WAS a member of the media. He knows how it works.
Randy Levine wouldn’t tell him to apologize to anybody. He hates the media more than Trisha does.
Lonn Trost? Not interested in getting involved in that stuff.
Hank or Hal. VERY doubtful they would do it. Definitely not Hank. Folks would be SHOCKED at how little Hank is involved.
I think Cash may have told him he could have handled last night better, its a pattern of deception that has been discussed internally during the season, and you (Girardi) have to find a way of dealing with this stuff better.
He’s far from broken. Like I said, he’s a good guy who is only in his second year of managing a baseball team. To have that second year be the Yankees ain’t easy.
Its all part of the growing process. Hopefully, he will be better for it next year.
knicks,
A new GM would invite tons of problems.
SJ illuminated many of the reasons, but the one big thing you have to consider is that when Cashman became the GM he had, IIRC, already been working for the Yankees.
Right now the Yankees don’t have anyone that looks like they could or like they wanted to step into the GM position (unless I’ve greatly missed something). I think Damon Oppenheimer, whom a lot of people are very fond of, is interested in scouting only.
It takes some degree of insanity to agree to be GM for any team.
For a NY team, even more, and for the Yankees? You’ll probably find less stress running in the presidential campaign.
“This apology smacks of something that was directed from higher up to cover the front office.”
I’m with you. jen, I don’t think we have to worry because Girardi likely has no respect for this pack of thieves and will deal with them accordingly. Can’t wait until he starts keeping things even closer to the vest but does it in an “acceptable” manner. Did these yayhoos really think they were going to win in the end or break Girardi? Or let me put it this way: if some gang of thugs smacked the crap out of you but you had to make nice because it was the politically correct thing to do, would you go out of your way to help them out?
As long as we get a competent GM to replace Cashman, we’ll be fine. It’s not like we will replace him with Jim Duquette or Steve Phillips.
Maybe we can snatch Gillick before he goes to Seattle? Or try and get John Schurholz out of retirement? Maybe Lucchino?
Though I think the best choice is Buck. He is a Yankee, he knows Yankee pride. He knows how to build a farm and how to bring in winning players. He’d be the perfect choice.
Doreen, you are very welcome. =)
Why not just let Hank be the GM?
Brian Cashman is a very good GM. I have loved his moves in the past few seasons. Part of those were to not trade off our younger pitchers. Cashman knows what he’s doing, and he doesn’t panic in situations that many people would.
The only move I hated when it was done, and hate now, and will hate forever, was the Igawa move. Bidding for him was a good idea, but not for the price they paid. If they were willing to give him that much, they should have gone all out with Matsuzaka. Anyway, that’s a lost cause.
Even the Pavano move was a good move, well at first, before he started missing chunks of a season due to a bruised butt.
Pete, methinks you have a different standard for injury reporting for Belichek and Girardi.
Girardi really oughta just tell you all that it’s all about maintaining a competitive advantage for the team, not the Public’s Right To Know, and not to the expect to be told the truth about any injury, ever, and for the press to just flippin’ deal with it. Then Cashman needs to back him up. Of course, somebody will find a way to pay off a medical assistant somewhere to leak MRI results, & then the real fun will begin!
I still believe that a good baseball mind like Buck Showalter needs to be in the mix of the front office setup.
He can be a stabilizing factor for all that will be going on.
Imagine if Hank was the GM. We’d have the best players in MLB playing for the Yankees, and baseball/ the Yankees would soon go out of business.
“This whole Girardi thing just illustrates how obnoxious the media has gotten. Joe lied? who cares? I’m a fan but I couldn’t care less that Mo went home early after the season was done for what could be minor surgery. Fans are fans and fanatical but the media was out for Girardi last night. I saw the postgame and they simply wanted to goad him, Girardi did NOT get testy until asked the same question like 50X!
Kim Jones & Joel Sherman were beyond insufferable.”
Yes yes yes yes and yes.
It appears that most of us here are on the same page with this Scorpio.
SW – I respect most of your opinions and certainly your right to offer them, but never take them as anything etched in stone. Your imaginings about this whole thing might be totally correct, partially correct, or totally wrong.
Since there are so many here who disagree with your take on this whole thing, it could be that you haven’t hit it right on the head.
When you are a manager you can avoid questions. You can give partial answers. But you cannot outright LIE. That undermined your credibility with everyone you deal with.
That’s why Joe apologized and I respect him for doing so. It shows a level of integrity many on this blog could use.
Now can we move on?
Anyone with NESN pre-game who can tell us if the tarp is off the field?
I still believe that a good baseball mind like Buck Showalter needs to be in the mix of the front office setup.
He can be a stabilizing factor for all that will be going on.
Showalter could be a good GM. After all, him and Gene Michael prevented Bob Watson from trading the likes of Jeter, Bernie, Posada, and Pettitte during Watson’s first and last year as GM. Imagine if they were traded, we would had been “who the hell is this people?” by now.
Trisha – Sorry I’m so late, just catching up on all the posts and thought to put in my 2 cents =)
Remember that if Cash leaves, whether for another organization or not, a lot of the player development staff that’s loyal to him follows shortly thereafter. You can make them leave the files, but not what they know. Unless this team greatly overpays its player development staff like they do with the more public positions, I think this could be a bigger problem for the Yankees than for other teams that don’t have quite the level of internal politics & pressure that this team has. A new GM will really have his hands full rebuilding the organization. At all levels, on and off the field.
“When you are a manager you can avoid questions. You can give partial answers.”
I guess you missed the Joel Sherman debacle when the manager tried to give a partial answer but was not allowed to?
There’s nice neat theory and then there’s reality.
Girardi can’t undo what was done. He has apologized. He and the press need to start with a clean slate and move on.
Now that Joe has apologized, Mo, Cash, and the media all owe Joe an apology.
Oh, and right now, the Yankees need Cash more than he needs them. And please don’t tell me the cons of Seattle, Philly, and Washington. He can take a step back from the game for a while if he wants to.
I’m curious Trisha, how do you know Girardi has no respect for “this pack of thieves”, as you describe them?
Have you ever spoken to any member of the media about how they feel personally about Girardi? How about Girardi himself? Have you ever spoken to him personally about how he feels about “this pack of thieves”?
You do realize one of Girardi’s good friends is Michael Kay. A “pack of thieves” member. A guy who has actually talked to Girardi, and to whom he seeks counsel, on how to improve his relationship with the media.
Why don’t you do this. E-Mail Pete and ask him how he feels PERSONALLY about Girardi. You will be shocked at his answer.
They don’t dislike Girardi. In fact, most of the ones I know LIKE him. They just don’t get him. They don’t get why he does certain things, that’s all.
This stuff ain’t personal. Its just about finding a way to give everybody what they need to do their jobs accordingly.
Its about balance and each side is still finding its way.
It was the same way under Showalter when he first came on board. Buck is just like Girardi. It took some time but in the end, things worked out.
Its not a hate fest for those involved. It really isn’t.
How hard it is to be the GM of the Yankees? You get to spend double and triple that of our rivals om players. You get to spend overslot for the best talent in the draft and Latin America to have a bolstered farm system. You are a attractive destination for free agents.
Just sign Tex, CC, Burnett, and Manny.
Trade Hughes for some young position player. Let Giambi/Pudge/Pavano/Pettitte etc. walk. Find a couple of role players for the offense. Have Mark Newman/Nardi take care of all the minor league stuff. And Bam, you have a WS contender. Not hard at all.
September 26th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
GB,
Of the higher ups, I don’t see anybody who would force him to do it.
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I wasn’t thinking of the Steinbrenners. Hank and Hal are the Yankee version of Edgar Bergan and Charlie McCarthy/Knucklehead. Guess who McCarthy/Knucklehead would be? Definately a Cashman directive.
I’m sure that Mariano Rivera will have a few things to say, judging by his press release o this.
Scorp – happy you managed to get your 2 cents in.
NESN pregame isn’t showing the field right now. Will let you know when it does.
Here is what I don’t get. Don’t people want to know accurate information about Mariano Rivera? I mean he is a pretty important player on the team.
I realize the media is easy to hate. But my job is to tell you what is happening with your team, not to do what the Yankees want me to do. I don’t work for them, I work for my newspaper and – indirectly – for you.
If you’re too delicate — or delusional like Trisha — to handle that I’m going to try and find out what is true, I’m not sure what to tell you.
This is a baseball team, not national security. I’m trying to find out how the closer feels, not whether we have fighters over Kabul. I think some of you are getting a little carried away with your anger.
Girardi realizes he has been screwing this up and to his credit, he apologized. Hopefully everything works smoother now, we’ll find out.
But in the end, this is about how a baseball player feels. There’s plenty more in the world to get angry about than me asking a few questions. I mean, c’mon.
That said, if you feel the need to insult me, please e-mail me. Cluttering up the blog with your attacks and crude language does nobody any good.
Man up and e-mail me. It’s pabraham@lohud.com.
Rain delay and the rain is teaming at fenway field.
How can this be, must be photo-shop, A-Rod didn’t remove his cap according to the many A-Rod haters here, so this has to be a fake picture.
http://assets.espn.go.com/phot.....es_600.jpg
I just got back in….
Interesting tidbits from Pete. I have to think that Hank is costing the Yankees money, in terms of Cash’s contract. For the reasons stated by Pete, the Yanks/Steinbrenners NEED Cash to stay. Who from the outside are they getting? Jim Bowden? Bavasi? A 70 year old (or thereabout) Pat Gillick? You can argue, Where is Cash going, what great job awaits. But, I think this will cost Hal more money than he thought it would take. Hal (and Jenny, too, I think) need to get Hank to put a lid on it. He’s not just entertaining in an eccentric way, he’s costing them money.
Whatever the “blog consensus” is on any issue doesn’t determine the correctness of a given position. Geez, if that’s the case, then this team is in real trouble! lol
SJ44
the way you describe the Yankee universe looks very similar to the dirty politics of Congress.
“If you’re too delicate — or delusional like Trisha
That said, if you feel the need to insult me, please e-mail me.”
No hypocricy there Pete.
“Whatever the “blog consensus†is on any issue doesn’t determine the correctness of a given position.”
With that I agree. Sometimes one is the bug SW, and sometimes one is the windshield. And we’ve all been in both places on this blog.
really hope Cashman stays.
If he decides to leave, I like Shoalwalter as the replacement. As another person mentioned.
however, is it a given Buck would agree to re-join the Yankees??
100% agree with Peter on this.
Pete,
Of course we want the correct information. And at the time of the post-game you guys had it from Brian Cashman.
In the post, Girardi was still in protect mode. Why is that so hard to understand/respect?
You had your story. GM said one thing. Manager denied knowledge of problem. If that story’s reported we see it for what it was. The manager was protecting the player at his own request.
Now, if there’s a scandal or another kind of problem then yeah, it should be investigated further.
But I heard Girardi say, “It’s my job to protect the player.” That should’ve been the end of the story.
It’s pretty obvious… the only ones who are concerned about Cashman’s departure are the ‘prospect groupies’ who are afraid the new GM will come in and trade them all away for Carlos Silva.
Sensible fans who care about winning championships are not the ones who are clinging to him and painting this ominous picture of the demise of the Yankees if Cashman walks.
Gee, thats a surprise.
I wish Showalter got some notice for his abilities. He built this thing up in the early ninties and Torre came along and ran with it. Torre is the Phil Jackson of baseball.
My god, hasn’t anyone ever heard about what Madison called the tyrrany of the majority?
The reason we have a Bill of Rights is so that freedoms like Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press are NOT subject to the majority’s whims.
Often, majority rule means the reign of the mob.
Vrse,
Let’s see…….
Both are large organization filled with some members who have no business being a part of said organization.
Both have to deal with the media each day, whether on or off the record, to get their positions out to the public.
Both have fan bases who happiness (and in Congress’ case, their futures) depend on their clear decisionmaking capabilities.
Both organizations can make you feel VERY helpless with their (sometimes) ineptitude.
I think you hit the nail on the head. The Yankees are very much like Congress! lol
Rain has let up at fenway field.
If Buck replaces Cashman, how exactly are we worse off?
I don’t want Cashman to leave, but ets not act as if its doom and gloom if he does walk. That will be his choice and there is nothing we can do.
Mel:
Read my story in the paper, that is exactly what I did. The rest of this stuff I only blog about because I figure people here are really involved fans and would care.
Vinny, it’s not a given as to whether the Yankees even want the headaches back that Showalter brings. He proved that he was too much of a control freak and that’s why he was let go the first time.
8.05 start time GOOD
“vinny-b
September 26th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
really hope Cashman stays.
If he decides to leave, I like Shoalwalter as the replacement. As another person mentioned.
however, is it a given Buck would agree to re-join the Yankees??”
I think Buck could be very effective as GM, but as you ponder, who knows if he is even interested in doing the job. I hope he would be on their short list though.
Cashman has made a number of statements that have me thinking that he is leaning toward leaving.
I don’t think Hank’s comments are that much of a problem. They might be part of the Yankee idea of floating things out there without concern for them being looked at with a lot of credibility. Politicians do this type of thing all the time to test the reactions.
What I want to know is Rivera’s reaction to all of this. I obviously don’t know him, but he comes across as a guy that would be extremely embarrassed to know that his bum shoulder has called all this fuss…
Pete,
I was really talking about the inquistion last night. After the 2nd or 3rd time with the same answer it was pretty obvious that Joe was sticking to his story.
Now I’m not accusing you because I didn’t hear your voice near the end. But Kim, Mark, and Joel kept going at Joe in what I think was an attempt to trip him up.
Now, the only thing that Joe did wrong was lose his cool with Sherman. But I was amazed at the patience Joe showed before and after that.
Piazza gettin a little love at Shea. Nice to see.
NESN saying baseball no sooner than 8 p.m.
Only 2 reasons Cashman walks:
1. Hank
2. In his eyes, this mess is too big to clean up and wants to jump ship. He will be admitting his plan of player development was a failure and feeding into Madden’s theory that things will get worse before they get better.
I think it’s somewhere inbetween both. I doubt it’s Hank. Why would Cashman be so insecure of a man who has no power while he is allies with the man with power? Cashman isn’t that weak minded.
Delusional because I don’t buy what you’re selling? Nice touch Pete.
But I won’t insult you in return because this is your blog and you da man = and you’ve asked that we don’t insult you. Interesting that a reporter would have freedom speech operate in one direction only.
I will say, however, that according to the reaction that you got more people weren’t buying than were.
GB7, its an entirely different role, one that he might be better suited for.
* freedom of speech
I think Joe has not taken this season well.
He strikes me as a very serious guy, and the impression I get is that he is personally hurt by how things have gone. I think he’s been stressed most of the year, and that got translated into poor relations with the people who ask the questions, that is, the press.
I’d like to believe, based on what I’ve read in the press (and not just this blog) that Joe is a good guy, and wants to do well and wants to get along with people.
It’s all part of the learning experience called life. It’s just that most of us don’t have our failures displayed in public 24-hours a day.
He wasn’t let go because he was a control freak. He was let go because George got ticked off with his pitching selections in Game 5 of the ALDS.
After he fired him, he went to his house and asked him to come back. AFTER he hired Joe Torre. lol
He told Buck he would make Torre GM. Ironically, the job Torre orginally interviewed for with the Yankees. Buck said, “thanks but no thanks”.
Buck definitely likes control. With the Yankees though, you have to have it or you get steamrolled by the various factions.
I don’t know if Buck would come back or what he wants to do with the rest of his career. I know he likes his work at ESPN and the workload is a lot lighter than being a MLB GM or manager.
The guy has a great baseball mind. Nobody can question that.
One of the brightest guys in the game, IMO.
I applaud Pete on his zeal. I want to know about player’s injuries. I don’t profess to have RIGHT to invade player’s privacy. But neither do I like it when the Yankees make colossal tuchuses of themselves by being so blatantly disingenuous about them it insults my intelligence.
Power always tends to abuse its prerogatives, in politics, in corporations, in families, in baseball, especially its ability to control acccess to information— one of the reasons the Constitution divides power among three branches and includes a Bill of Rights– the Founding Father’s wanted to avert its abuse.
Girardi’s human. He’s prone to the same imperial abuses. An inquisitive press keeps him honest. Good for them.
BTW, Suzyn says the game is set to start at 8:05pm.
Kill,
Joe did not act alone. He was respecting a player/friend’s wish.
But how about this.
Girardi: “Yes Mo went to get an MRI. He said his shoulder has been sore. He asked that he be the one to talk to you guys about it.”
If he can say those few words, there is no story.
That is hopefully what Girardi will learn to do next year.
The weather channel strongly disagrees with the Red Sox. Strongly.
looking at the doppler and radar, i don’t really see how they’re going to get anything but a partial game in. this is one of those games that isn’t good for anyone, but in this case since it’s bad for the sox if they start and stop, so by all means lets play ball.
Bronx Jeers,
In hindsight, that sounds great. Oh what a tangled web they wove.
I would be very interested in someone, Pete or another one of the bloggers, did a post going over the options at GM if Cashman decides not to come back.
Marlins up 1-0 men on 2nd and 3rd no out.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Buck have a very contentious relationship with ARod. That would be interesting to see how that played out.
I felt his comments about “Yankee fans being able to sniff out a phony,” were sort of pointed in ARod’s direction.
Who knows though?
Bronx, I don’t know if you’re joking, but by saying those words he has given up Mo!
Kill-Schill, what you are leaving out of your victory lap is that Girardi was asked by Mo not to say anything. That’s pretty much what happened here. There was no imperial abuse, except in my estimation on the part of the press that shows no respect for anything but their own needs for immediate gratification.
Some of us here have actually said we’re okay with the organization moving at its own pace with information sharing.
I don’t think think it’s that big of a deal.
I, as a fan, have personally understood that Girardi is not going to tell the truth 100% until he has straight hard facts in front of him and after meeting with Cashman and the injured player.
However, it is a bit frustrating to know he won’t tell us. We have the right to know that 1 of the players is hurt. That is his duty to the Fans.
But then again, 9 out of 10 coaches won’t say someone is hurt until they have evidence. As an athlete myself, my coach wouldn’t tell anyone that someone was hurt. He would wait to hear from the trainer before even assuming an injury.
I think it’s just the way some coaches are and all though it is very frustrating, there is nothing we can do about and learn to get over it.
Looks like they should have a window to play
http://www.weather.com/outlook.....opnav_home
You people are sounding like red sux nation. We’ll win again. Who better than Cashman/Girardi to take us there? We had injuries in key positions and most of all, our “youth movement” didn’t work as well and as quickly as we’d hoped. Of course we could use a little pitching. Sabathia would be nice, wouldn’t he? What would it take to get Halliday? Probably impossible, nevertheless, Hughes and maybe even Kennedy will come along. How about Wang, Sabathia, Chamberlain, Hughes, Moose and/or Pettite? Whose better in RF than Abreu? Whose better at lead-off than Damon? Those guys just look like they’re having fun. They gotta’ infuse inthusiasm. So does Giambi. Would really rather have Tex? Not me. Next year is the year.
mel, he couldn’t do what kill-schill suggested because you know it would have ended up in a newspaper somewhere and was exactly what Mo did not want.
trish – take a breath.
We’re all upset with the way the season has gone. But, Pete is not the enemy. He only relays information, and, on occasion, offers his opinion – it is his blog, after all. We are free to agree or disagree, as I and others have done over time. But neither Pete, nor any of the Yankee fans who read and post here, are the enemy.
And I do read and respect your posts; well, mostly the shorter ones. Doesn’t mean I agree with everything you write. But, I don’t hold any animosity towards you, or any of the people who post here (save the trolls).
Bottom line, don’t get worked up over silly things. Life is too short.
Now, CC and/or AJ – that’s an important issue! (lol)
Marlins came to play.
I would be very interested in someone, Pete or another one of the bloggers, did a post going over the options at GM if Cashman decides not to come back.
I would be interested in that too.
“mel
September 26th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Kill,
Joe did not act alone. He was respecting a player/friend’s wish.”
Or was Mo trying to let Girardi have an out? Just to play it from the opposite way, maybe Mo said what he did to help take heat off of Girardi.
The point is YOU don’t know any more than any us do. You are making the assumption because it gives props to Girardi.
Its all about the manner in which you handle it. Girardi is supposed to be smart. Does he think everyone around him is stupid to not notice that its very unusual for a player to leave a road game to have a “routine” physical?
He doesn’t have to get into specifics, but to outright lie is silly.
I have no clue on whether Cash will stay. I know he has a terrific working relationship with Hal and he loves the Yankees organization dearly. It’s really Hank that is the reason why this is even down to the wire and I don’t think there is anything that can be done about it. Perhaps Brian needs to be completely honest with Hank like he was with George a few years back – tell him how hard Hank makes his job, etc, etc…….If Cash is to come back, Hank needs to put a sock in it. LOL Perhaps when big brother gets the urge to speak, he ought to first rant in front of a mirror first so that he gets it out of his system. Either way, I hope Cash comes back to see his plan come to fruition.
I did not hear Joe on WFAN and I’m glad I didn’t; I would have seriously teared up, hearing him practically crying. he really is a good mand and it hurts to have to criticize him. It hurts to know that he doesn’t have a good relationship with his players, some of whom he played with. What a nightmare. I hate this season.
2-0 Fish.
Meanwhile my favorite episode ever of SVU is on USA.
Joe from LI, you might as well not bother reading my posts as the king has declared me delusional.
Ryan Howard get it started
Phillies up 3-0
Rebecca,
I don’t think you can offer up a list because I don’t think the Yankees even know (at this point) what direction they would go to replace him.
They really want him to stay. Whether he wants to or not is the question.
I think we know by Wednesday at the latest. Perhaps sooner.
Katie, the thing with Girardi is that he could defuse this by giving a little of the information and put off the rest with saying that more will be known after we hear back from the doctors/trainers/ whoever. That would give him credibility without him having to look like a liar.
Trisha,
Yes but at the time, the cat was already out of the bag as Cashman has already told them he went for an MRI.
The postgame was about finding out why Girardi hadn’t fessed up in the pregame. He could have easily said “I didn’t tell you because it was the players wish.”
Actually when we saw it I’m sure many were wondering if he was covering for Mo.
betsy: I respect your post. And feel the same.
While it totally sucks the Yankees are not gonna be playing ball in October, these NL races(NL East and wild card) are just ridunkulous.
Very interesting to watch.
SJ: I understand, I was thinking more like the possible contenders.
However, as you say, it’s moot if Cashman agrees to come back.
Mac Nut,
Please. You don’t honestly believe that do you? Really?
Dan Murphy has looked real good hasn’t he.
it is one thing if the players wan’t injuries kept a secret but the truth always get’s out.
why on earth would girardi lie or not just say exactly what the injuries are?
you do not lose or win any more games and it takes everybody lying together throughout the ordeal and that my friends is impossible as we learned this year.
listen to his audio about the injuries.he sounds exactly like a compulsive lying little kid with his goofy laugh.
i can’t put my finger on it but something isn’t right with him.
i hope this does not have a negative effect on the team and the players.
it is like he is terrified to tell the truth.
he needs to loosen up a little.being nice and telling the truth won’t hurt but being mean and lying certainly can.
If Cash is to come back, Hank needs to put a sock in it.
LOL. Agreed
I say we help. Christmas is coming up..we can all chip in and buy Hank a muzzle. All those in favor?
Bronx, I still say he was keeping his word. How did he know if they were just fishing around for information? In any event, I think he was blindsided and probably didn’t have enough reaction time.
I don’t blame Girardi for anything that happened last night. His real job is managing a team, not hold a tea party for reporters. He did what he felt he had to under the circumstances.
We all know that hindsight is 20-20. In the same situation nobody knows how they would have reacted.
I still find it repugnant that the reporters don’t have the decency to apologize to him for putting him through the paces they did, especially in light of the fact that they know exactly why he did what he did last night.
“I say we help. Christmas is coming up..we can all chip in and buy Hank a muzzle. All those in favor?”
I
on nesn theo just talked about how injuries derailed their 2006 season. then he goes on to say they decided to go all in on getting matsuzaka.
if it was just injuries, why spend a small forune on matsuzaka, drew, and lugo. well, injuries were only part of it. they were not going to be a good team if they kept running out the younger and cheaper direction they were trying to go in.
signing matsuzaka changed everything. instant contenders for 2007. 100 million dropped just like that. and it worked.
cashman has a plan. great . the red sox did in 2006 too. the yankees need to drop the 100 million+ bomb the way the red sox did. screw the plan . spend the money.
Anyone know what the injury delay in the Rays game is?
Holy crap, 3-0 Detroit already.
Whatever it is, it’s over now pat. And they didn’t say anything at the end of the inning.
I didn’t say Showalter wasn’t bright, but, he’s a control freak, he butted heads with everyone and that included Steinbrenner and 14 years ago, that wasn’t going to go unpunished. I’m well aware of the reports that Steinbrenner called him back.
I am curious to hear Joe’s interview on Mike’s show. WFAN still hasn’t put up the audio yet.
Meanwhile Mussina’s interview is up, interesting so far.
Pat –
Polanco got injuried while sliding to home plate.
I don’t think Cash man threw Joe under any bus. My first reaction is that he simply wants to nip this in the bud right now with the media. I mean, once Cash apologizes, it would be ridiculous for the media to continue to harp away. I guess I really don’t feel like Cash is throwing his manager to the wolves; he’s just doing a decent thing and apologizing privately to reporters he’s known for many years. It’s not like Cash threw a big press conference to announce that Joe made a mistake.
bru – about last night only. Girardi did not know what the injury was or even if there was one since Mo was going for an MRI. (We’ve since found out that it’s nothing more than bone spurs or calcifications.) And we also know now that Mo had asked Girardi not to say anything about what was happening. So you really can’t dump on Girardi for last night – or at least I don’t think you should. You of course can.
mel
September 26th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
There’s a possibility that Seattle will be the first $100M team to lose 100 games. That’s $1M/loss. Ouch.
not to bad considering the yankees are at almost 3 million per loss.
Cancel the damn game. it is unsafe for the players…
jennifer: What’s Moose saying?
Vinny, thanks. Joe isn’t doing this to be malicious; he honestly thinks he’s doing the right thing. I hope the players give Joe a chance; if they don’t, then I will lose all respect for them.
Living on the West Coast I washed that Stadium events all day on ESPN….Buck was on for quite some time expressing his love, loyality and respect for the Yankee Organization troughout the show…So who really knows what he feels, but I’ve said this before, I’ would love to have him in the FO at some capacity…He’s an astute baseball person, and he’d bring so much to the table….He built the Diamondback organization from the ground up, including the uni’s….If Cashman does walk he must be on the top of the short list….By the way SJ, I forgot about Jim Bowden’s tenture….Denial I suppose…
http://www.wfan.com/pages/744503.php
Things in general…..about next year, his career.
Betsy I couldn’t agree with you more. The one thing that really drives me crazy about a lot of the posters is that someone will post something that was said by a third party about a fourth party, and immediately everyone runs with it and puts a spin on it.
People don’t seem to be willing to chill and wait to find out the reality of any situation. I guess it’s easier to jump to conclusions and then come up with your own spin on things. That kind of thing really drives me crazy. Lots of people end up being trashed here based on false or incorrect information.
Buck, and Stick for that matter, had to butt heads to get things done during that time GB.
If George didn’t get kicked out of the game the second time, those guys would have never been able to do their jobs.
I’m not saying Buck is perfect. I don’t know a lot of guys in the game, at least the ones who are good at putting together teams, that aren’t control freaks.
Now, I get the fact there are control freaks and there are CONTROL freaks.
Where Buck is at this point in his career on that scale, I’m not sure. I haven’t spoken to him in two years. I don’t even know if he wants to get back in the game in that fashion.
However, if Cash leaves, and the new guy isn’t a control freak, willing to butt heads to enact his program (what Cash also has to do if he stays for that matter) he has no chance to succeed with the Yankees.
I guess the simple way of putting it is, if the business people stay out of the baseball matters, you can get things done. the baseball people stay out of the business matters. I don’t know why the business folks can’t do the same.
Unfortunately, that’s easier said than done with the Yankees.
“mel
September 26th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Mac Nut,
Please. You don’t honestly believe that do you? Really?”
Why would it be so far out of reality that Mo was looking to take heat off of someone he views as his friend?
Think about it for one minute. When has Mo ever done that in the past where he made the announcement of being hurt? Just give me one time other than this supposed time, and maybe I would buy it.
For that matter, when has any player not had the news broken by the club that he was hurt? Its not how its done normally.
Even when injuries occur in the off season through accidents or stupid actions, the clubs are always the ones to break the news. Why would Mo look to do it differently this one time?
Mo is in NY, away from the majority of the media that is covering the team. Mo is known all around as a classy, standup guy. Why wouldn’t he look to help defuse the heat that his friend and manager is getting?
Yankees are Mike’s first choice all things being equal.
NESN just reported that Dice-K has been scratched for tonight.
If the game happens David Paulie will pitch.
I was wondering if there is any way you can put the pre-game audio from Joe Girardi up on the site, pete?
Thanks
“Vinny, thanks. Joe isn’t doing this to be malicious; he honestly thinks he’s doing the right thing. I hope the players give Joe a chance; if they don’t, then I will lose all respect for them.”
Betsy I don’t believe for a minute that the players don’t like or respect Joe. I actually believe its the opposite. And that means I don’t take any of the bait thrown out here by people who say they know otherwise.
Pat M,
How could you forget about Jim? Those were the “Golden Years”!! lol
How that guy is still employed in the game is one of the great mysteries of sports, IMO.
“trisha – but what do I know
September 26th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
…People don’t seem to be willing to chill and wait to find out the reality of any situation. I guess it’s easier to jump to conclusions and then come up with your own spin on things. That kind of thing really drives me crazy. Lots of people end up being trashed here based on false or incorrect information.”
FOTFLMAO Look who is doing the talking here. Maybe you should read your own posts before making any kind of statement like this and acting as if you aren’t doing this ALL the time.
jennifer: I’ll listen in a little while.
I hope they get the game in..doesn’t look so good now.
Kevin
Can’t honestly say that if Joe T was manager here if you have made a difference.
Actually I know how this game, if played, could feel extremely worthwhile. Yankees win, the Sux are eliminated from any chance of winning the division. I call that a worthy goal.
Philly all over the Nats.
Mac Nut,
I respect you, but I cannot wrap my head around your scenario.
Mo was pitching hurt, they got eliminated. Mo told Joe and IMO asked that he keep it quiet until they had more info.
I cannot believe that Girardi would pitch Mo 4 out of the last 5 days if he knew Mo had been pitching hurt the whole season.
For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut – I’d say you are confusing a strong reaction with not waiting for hear the reality. I got the reality pretty quickly today – Girardi had promised Mo he wouldn’t say anything.
But good try.
mel: Mo’s said he pitched the entire season hurt. Perhaps Joe did not know?
Trisha,
How can you say something like that and back it up with no facts?
If that’s your opinion, that’s fine. To state it as fact? That’s laughable.
Ask Pat M about locker rooms. He played in the league. He will explain to you the dynamic.
To unilaterally decide that anybody who disagrees with that point is flat out wrong? Isn’t that what you complain you DON’T like about some of the folks who post here.
If you think there are people in that locker room that don’t like Joe Girardi, I don’t know what to say about that.
There are people in EVERY MLB locker room who don’t like the manager.
There were people in Torre’s locker room who didn’t like him. Jeff Nelson HATED him! lol
Its the nature of the beast. You can choose not to believe it if you like but, you don’t understand the nature of locker rooms and the player/manager dynamic by rejecting the subject out of hand.
SJ44, okay I am willing to believe it is possible that there could be some players who don’t like Girardi, though I don’t think it’s probable. But yes, in my opinion, it is likely that there are few if there are any.
I think I was responding to someone saying they hoped this latest media feeding wouldn’t turn players against Girardi. I would think it would do the opposite.
But you post the argument from last night? I don’t get why you don’t post the interview. You let everything else in the open.
Rebecca,
Isn’t that what I said? Boy, grad school is killing your brain.
Rebecca,
Who are you talking to?
Good call on not posting the audio Pete.
Not bad for being one of the “pack of thieves”! lol
See Trisha, guys like Pete aren’t the Anti-Christ.
I know guys, “back in the day” who would have posted that audio and not given it a second thought.
Pete is one of the good guys. Its a shame your fandom is so over the top, you can’t see that.
After the news came out from Cash that Mo was going back to NY to get a “MRI on his sore shoulder”..Girardi should have just came out and told the truth!
That’s the bottom line
mel: That would certainly explain most of my actions the past couple of days.
Pete: Good call not posting the audio.
sj I disagree. He post the audio from last night that made Joe look like a fool. But doesn’t post his apology.
Pete,
Good job, I hope it’s because there was real emotion by Joe and not because he was dropping “fudge” and “patooeys” on you guys.
I hope you guys can see it from another POV. What he did was a good thing.
So we’re good? We can move on?
a 209 million dollar team finishing the way they did and still needing several players is an absolute crime.
they should not sign sabathia,sheets,burnett,tex.way too much money.
in the 90′s they did well with solid pitchers across the board.a few 3.5-4 era guys and the rest 4-4.5 era guys.
everytime they try to go get that big money pitcher they fail miserably.
they should imo go after dempster and trade for a young pitcher to go along with wang,hughes,aceves,mussina.
look at right now,they have been winning since rasner and ponson have been removed,nothing great,just decent.
i know i will hear from gb about the national league being easier and you have to account for wind speed and high tides and everything under the sun but that is when the yankees were great,when they had deep pitching and the pitchers were just solid enough,not great.
if the right deal came along,fine but cc for 6 or 7 years/126-147 million dollars,i am telling you would be a devastating mistake.
fix the pitching,get a first baseman and play gardner in center for a year until ajax comes along and steals center field away.
SJ, the pregame audio will be up on the YES website anyway. I would have been interesting in knowing if any member of that press corps found a way to be gracious but I wouldn’t bet my life on it.
I think Pete can be a good guy some of the time but I think he also has an agenda with Girardi and is blinded by his loyalty to Torre. And I’m not the only one here who feels that way. If he didn’t feel the need to take shots at Girardi and elevate Torre any time he gets the opportunity it would make things easier. You saw the reaction to his latest attack on Girardi. Mostly everyone has tired of it. Sometimes it’s like he takes a hachet to clip the wings off a flea. It’s overkill.
Just my opinion of course but I’m not the only one who shares that opinion. Far from it.
Check it out, Rays getting killed again!
Mel, that wasn’t my point at all. The point I am making is that I doubt that Mo requested that Girardi not talk about his being hurt so that Mo could break the news. That is what was reported.
That has no bearing on Mo pitching when he was hurting. That is an entirely different matter, and its very possible that Mo wasn’t talking about his arm hurting to anyone. Mo and Andy both were probably not talking about hurting because they knew how tough the team was being set back by the injuries that couldn’t be played through.
My point was strickly about this latest blow up with Girardi’s press conference and Mo looking to take the heat off of him.
There is no yes pre or post today.
Mac Nut,
I see your point. You saying there’s a possibility that Mo is lying to protect his friend?
That’s ironic, because that’s what Joe did. Or least that’s what’s being reported.
I’ll grant you there’s a chance your scenario is correct, but logic tells me otherwise.
I thought Girardi “learned how to deal with people” and what not from his stint in Florida – according to his own words.
For all the Girardi apologists that want to blame the media and media hype, Girardi prolly owes the media for overhyping the job he did in Florida, as Freddi Gonzalez is doing the same thing with that Marlins team this year, after pitchers like Olsen and company have had a year to recover from the abuse Girardi subjected their arms to.
SJ, I actually think you’re a good guy too. Sometimes it’s just a difference in style. Obviously I am passionate about my opinions but think it’s necessary to point out that there is only one God in my life, and He isn’t on this forum, either running the blog or posting in it. So I don’t think there should ever be the assumption that any one person here corners the market on truth. I know for sure I don’t, though I don’t think I’m as wrong as some people may think.
But then what do you want from someone who is delusional?
Actually I can’t get too upset with Pete calling me that if only because I gave some strong opinions about the press corps, of which he is a member. Turn about is fair play. And stuff like that I actually find comical.
The pitcher in the Mets game has awful control.
If Joe Girardi apologized to not only the media/reporters but everyone else about “lying about injuries”..than we as fans have every right to hear the pre-game.
I’m not sure that Pete has to be the one to give us the pre-game audio but we should/would have the right to listen to it!
Has anyone been able to find the pregame audio?
man, Mo has been lights out this year with the shoulder pain… what would he have been like without it?
jen – you’re right. I never bothered charting whether YES put information up every day regardless of whether or not they had the game. It’s possible that the pregame with the press might be up there?
I will be honest and tell you that I don’t mind not hearing it and not knowing what was said, but mainly because unless Pete comes out and says otherwise, I’m afraid that I won’t be too impressed with having to hear Joe grovel when I think he isn’t the one who should be in this case.
Oh well.
“Meanwhile, Red Sox Nation is guzzling overpriced beer in the concourses”
Why am I not surprised. Hey idiots, try not to kill anyone driving home in this weather, and drunk no less.
WFAN ran the audio.
Joe Giradi is still a work in process when it comes to handling the media……Look back at the mgr’s he played for over the span of his career……That’s what he relies on, how they handled such situations…..I think you’ll see that for the most case they were crusted old timers who keep the clubhouse and it’s players very well protected from the outsiders…..It’s such an open society when it comes to the media now…I’m not defending him, but it’s what I remember from Bobby Cox who is a reflection from times past and still is…..At least he didn’t react like Sweet Lou would have, or Billy Martin…It’s all they know, the traits from the guys who managed them…He’ll develop and polish this it in time….
jen, hold on. I’m going to check to see whether YES has in its archives the pregame press interview on a night that MY9 had the game. If so, then there will be one posted up there for tonight at some point soon.
trisha I think we have a right to hear it. After the media has been harping on Joe ‘lying’ why not let us hear him apologize for it?
The most scared I’ve ever been was driving on 95 (128) between Wellsely and Wilmington (which is north of Boston) at night the weekend I went to Boston.
It was at night, and my eyes are kind of bad, and there weren’t lane markings, and the ramps went on forever…
Trisha,
When you say things like, “I would have been interested in knowing if any member of that press corp found a way to be gracious but, I wouldn’t bet my life on it”, is when you lose me.
What makes you think these folks aren’t gracious? Just because you disagree with their POV on an issue doesn’t mean they lack professional and integrity.
Have you ever had any personal contact with any of these “pack of thieves” you dengrate daily on here? If you have, I would take your POV more seriously. I’m assuming you haven’t, which is why I challenge your statements.
If you did, you would realize these folks aren’t as bad as you think they are.
Its not the first time Girardi has apologized to people in the media this season. He did it once with Kim Jones when he jumped ugly on her on an issue. Stuff happens during the course of a season.
I think you take this stuff MUCH more personal no, I KNOW you take this stuff much more personal, than Girardi and the members of the media do when this stuff comes up.
Don’t lump everybody in the media in a Joel Sherman grouping. That’s unfair. They aren’t all like Sherman.
Just as not all of us lawyers are thieves, neither are all media. I think when you generalize a catagory of people, that’s where you get into a pickle.
Pete has said, time and time again on this blog, he LIKES Girardi. He’s not playing the “Torre Worship” game.
Nor does he have an agenda against Girardi, regardless of how many folks on the blog feel that way.
Again, “majority of the feelings of the people” on the blog doesn’t pass for evidence of any agenda over anything.
If he did, he could HAMMER him everyday. Yet, he doesn’t.
Do you ever read his stuff in the paper, or just read the blog? He doesn’t hammer him in the paper.
Here’s one more secret before I have to head out…..Joe Girardi LIKES Pete Abraham. He really does.
He has nothing against him. He knows Pete and the others are just doing their jobs.
My issue with some of your comments is simple. You are making people the boogie men who aren’t the boogie men.
#$#% happens during a season. Its a lot of pressure and sometimes things get a little nutty. That’s the nature of sports. Its just the way it goes. By the Winter Meetings, these guys sit over a beer and bygones are bygones.
There are no villains in this story. Its just a group of folks trying to figure out a way to work better together.
That’s all this is.
Ryan Church grounds into a DP with 2 on, 1 out
Meanwhile, 7-1 Phillies in the 4th
trisha – but what do I know
September 26th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
bru – about last night only. Girardi did not know what the injury was or even if there was one since Mo was going for an MRI. (We’ve since found out that it’s nothing more than bone spurs or calcifications.) And we also know now that Mo had asked Girardi not to say anything about what was happening. So you really can’t dump on Girardi for last night – or at least I don’t think you should. You of course can.
torre never had this problem.there is a right way and a wrong way of dealing with people and girardi is doing it the wrong way.
i am not saying to kiss the media’s but.just say i don’t wan’t to talk about injuries or he is hurt or we are trying to find out if mo is hurt but girardi just plain lies,period.he also said mo will be available in boston.say i don’t know,anything but to lie over and over again makes him look stupid.did u listen to the audio? i suggest you do.
Sorry if this has been posted already but has anyone seen the Onions mock video about the Yanks vacation stadium? Its hilarious. Is Nick SF behind this?
http://www.theonion.com/conten.....w_vacation
There really is no winning with some of you.
I decided not to post the audio because I see no need to embarrass Girardi, who is trying to do the right thing now. As I have always said and written, I don’t think he’s a bad guy. I think he just needs to learn how to do this part of the job without telling outright lies.
Further, he cursed a few times and that is very out of character for him. I see no upside in posting this on the internet for all eternity. I would not want his kids to come across that someday.
I’m sorry if you feel I’m being unprofessional, that’s your call. But this is not the story, Mo is the story. How the manager gets along with the media is really not a big deal. Hopefully he’s honest. If he’s not, I still need to write a story and update my blog.
Also, if I’m such a scumbag and crook or whatever, don’t read the blog. I’m trying to get you good, accurate information on a baseball team. Some of you act like I’m kicking old ladies asses and stealing their money.
Why did the Sox scratch Dice-K?
The Rays are losing in Detroit and they still have a chance to win this division.
After listening to Girardi’s “apology”, you can tell 2 things…1. it was forced and scripted….2. His heart wasn’t into it. It sounded a like like the apologies that Billy Martin used to read.
lol Pete, you are the best.
Oddessy, I imagine it’s the rain delay.
Looks like the window will come after 9.
There is no window at all tomorrow, so thats probably why they need to get this game in and have the DH on Sunday.
SJ44
September 26th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Good call on not posting the audio Pete.
Not bad for being one of the “pack of thievesâ€! lol
See Trisha, guys like Pete aren’t the Anti-Christ.
I know guys, “back in the day†who would have posted that audio and not given it a second thought.
Pete is one of the good guys. Its a shame your fandom is so over the top, you can’t see that.
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SJ, you got that right. The irrational-types have taken over this board in droves.
jen, it won’t be on the YES site. Something makes me think it will be written about by the reporters.
Folks, can we just let the Girardi vs. media thing die now??
Peter Abraham
September 26th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Some of you act like I’m kicking old ladies asses and stealing their money.
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Nah. you did that last week. It’s almost forgotten.
Rays are facing Willis tomorrow and have Garza going for them.
If they can’t win that game, they don’t deserve to win the division.
Oh, man. This could end up being a very disappointing season for the White Sox.
Phillies win/Mets loss/Brewers win would make things very interesting.
I hear what your saying, Pete..100%
But
I highly doubt that the pre-game audio is going to “embarrass Girardi” anymore than what you’ve already posted about him in the last 2 days!
Oh and i’m sure this was an attempt at humor..but you just cursed in your post! lol…god forbid your kids come across that someday.
Pat M,
Ain’t that the truth! At least the Yankees eliminate the dot coms and the blogger only types from being issued daily credentials.
In other markets, that’s not the case.
You have some pimply faced kid asking dumb questions of some of these old school guys in other markets and it ain’t always pretty! lol
Remember John McLaren’s meltdown in Seattle earlier in the year? The person who asked that question was some 18 year old kid given credentials for a day to work for one of the local weeklys! lol
It is a WHOLE different world out there now.
Dealing with the media is a BIG part of a managers job. In any market really. Especially in NY. It is part of the job description now.
Guys who aren’t good at it, get hammered so much in the 24/7 news cycle, it eventually costs them their jobs.
Some may not think that’s fair but, that’s the reality of pro sports today.
Even an old pro at it, like Willie Randolph, had his struggles when he became manager of the Mets.
I remember when Torre became player/manager of the Mets. He wasn’t popular with the media at that time. Its a process.
When my friends in the media bitch about Girardi, I tell them the following:
“How were you in the second year of your job”?
That’s where Girardi is at right now. He’s in his second year managing a team at any kind.
I said earlier that I am front and center on the list of people who had NO IDEA the transition for Girardi would be this tough. Completely blindsided me.
He has the toughest job in baseball and he’s learning on the job.
Some of the stuff? He has to improve upon. He will admit that himself.
However, as I said all day, I think he will be better next year if Cash sticks around.
If Cash leaves? Different story. That’s when it could get dicey.
Pete – were Joe’s comments read from a statement, or were they spontaneous, so to speak? Do you believe he was being sincere?
tony
September 26th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
wow what a D*ck Girardi is for respecting the wishes of one of the greatest players of all time.
you can still do that without lying.
just say i will not talk about injuries.
tell the media to go ask someone else like the player or gm.
the media simply can not fault you for that,it leaves them absolutely nowhere to go.
what are they going to do call you a liar?,no! but when you lie like girardi does every single day it gives the media the opening they are looking for.
they respected and loved torre because he was nice,told the truth or simply said i don’t know or don’t have enough information.
Pete — that’s the mystery of it all — why some of these posters who like calling you names still can’t help themselves in coming to the best source of Yankee news out there.
Talk about hypocritical.
Trisha:
Enough. It’s getting tedious. I get it, you hate the media. We all get it. Can we just move on?
“Frankly, it’s between him and us and I’m not sure it’s something he would want out there. Even if he didn’t care, I don’t see a need to continue this story beyond where it is already.”
then WTF do you always go on and on about it?
bru,
Girardi lies every single day? Wow.
Peter Abraham: watch yer mouth or we’ll get you banned,lol.
“everytime they try to go get that big money pitcher they fail miserably.”
Roger Clemens.
“I realize the media is easy to hate. But my job is to tell you what is happening with your team, not to do what the Yankees want me to do. I don’t work for them, I work for my newspaper and – indirectly – for you.”
If that is all, there won’t be so many people challenging you here. You let your opinions of some, specifically A-Rod and Girardi, influence your entries here. You go out of your way to call Girardi liar when in fact you deserve that tag for some of the incidents, like the Joba example I gave in a previous thread. You have no business calling some one a liar before knowing the facts, just because you are not accountable to what you write. Using your own words, you shoud be man enough to acknowledge that you misrepresetned the facts, though it may be unintentional.
Look, is Girardi perfect, absolutely not like any other manager including Torre. Can he improve, absolutely yes. But he does not deserve the unjustified incessant ridicule you hand out here just to get additional posts.
Another thing, there is no reason for you to ridicule people like Trisha,just becuase they do not agree with you.
“everytime they try to go get that big money pitcher they fail miserably.”
Mike Mussina.
Give it a rest Trisha, you are getting schooled!
I actually don’t hate the media as much as I believe that sometimes it oversteps its bounds.
But I am happy to move on.
mel
September 26th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Oh, man. This could end up being a very disappointing season for the White Sox.
Phillies win/Mets loss/Brewers win would make things very interesting.
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Ozzie Guillen will be a great mid-season replacement show on adult TV, though.
SJ: I believe Mark Cuban tried allowing bloggers in the press box for the Mavericks and it was a disaster!
Thanks BBFan!
“everytime they try to go get that big money pitcher they fail miserably.â€
David Cone, David Wells, Jimmy Key. Catfish Hunter. El Duque to some degree.
Up w/Joba, down w/Joba
September 26th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
“everytime they try to go get that big money pitcher they fail miserably.â€
Roger Clemens.
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Mike Mussina, Jimmy Key, David Wells, Andy Pettitte, and Randy Johnson wasn’t that bad considering he needed back surgery.
Just as well that it happened when it did, but this is probably the reason for the other night.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
So, let’s get to it:
Who’s watching the Yankees, who’s watching the Mets, and who will watch the debate?
Off the cuff, I believe when Mariano pitched the last game in Yankee Stadium it was his third appearance in as many ballgames.
You would wonder if he would have jeopardized the last inning appearance in revealing to Girardi the extent of his injury.
As someone else said, Mo sucked it up and did what he had to, but there is a bit of unfairness in the criticism of Girardi in this situation imo.
Thanks for asking. I’ve been switching back and forth between the Mets and Rays and didn’t realize the game had started.
Lots of empty seats at Fenway. Many must have thought the game was gonna be called.
I have a really BRILLIANT idea.
How about we put a moratorium on the discussion of the Girardi versus media, his apology etc etc. I have to say it has b een discussed to death some people have certain views some people have others. We have now used I believe 4 threads to discuss this to death not sure anything can be added by anyone that hasnt already been said.
Everyone needs to move on.
Ok back to your regular programming.
Go Phillies!!!
jen, I emailed you.
The worst part of being eliminated from October, is the arrogancy of the Sox sending a third class pitcher against us. I hate them…
if only the Yanks were still in contention. now that error would definitely mean something.
Wow, rain delay lets me see whole game. Thank you.
I wouldn’t worry about Mo, the Crankyectomy is a very routine procedure these days and he should be fine.
In political news, Senator John McCain has announced that he won’t debate Senator Barack Obama until the Joe Girardi audio is posted. This is a developing story.
and I you. LOL
Nick- good move on John’s part, he’ll gain some votes for that.
A very Jeterian hit from A-Rod.
didn’t we only scored like 2 runs off Pauley 2 years ago?
Marlins up 3-0 now
Nick: LMAO!
God can the Mets pull it together already. I dont want CC in the playoffs.
Rebecca – I’m currently watching our Yankees; I’ll look at the Mets’ score; and at 9:00, my wife will demand my attention be directed at what I call “light entertainment.”
A-rod is going to have a monster series against these guys now that we’re out.
Aceves, LOL.
Tseng
The ultimate dilemma. Have a great series and hear people whine or have a bad series and hear people whine. Which would you prefer?
“Aceves, LOL.”
do you normally laugh at names?
Ideal scenario: Mets lose tonight and tomorrow, Brewers beat Cubs both games, Phillies win too, Mets are eliminated, and the Brewers clinch and don’t pitch CC on Sunday.
Brewers then lose to the Phillies in 3 games with CC only starting game 1.
Watching NESN, Aceves looks a little shaky to start things. Must be the delay.
Joe: Ahaha.
My mother’s told me she’s undecided and going to watch the debates to decide. This might seem like a bad thing, but for years she’s only ever voted _______, and the fact that she’s considering coming over to the ______ side for once makes me very happy.
got a question for everyone (NOT THE TROLLS):
who owns the new Yankees’ jacket? If you do, is it really warm enough for the winter (or April/October weather)?
the Pilthies are terrible. Brewers can beat them.
Is Giese warming?
This is ugly already. Alfredo isn’t anything he was in his last 2 starts, that’s for sure.
Well, that wasn’t good
who is david pauley? so much for the sox trying to win hfa!
Ed: I don’t, but I want one.
Getting pounded by the Sox “B” lineup.
Rebecca your mom needs to come over from the dark side lol
Yankees always stink vs. the Red Suxs
Well, _______ and _______ are shaking hands, so it’s on.
Rebecca –
LOL, same here. could you explain this to me? I’m clueless when it comes to fashion-material-stuff.
THIS JACKET MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO WEAR IN WARM OR COLD WEATHER WITH COMFORTABILITY. THE SHELL IS 92% POLYESTER AND 8% SPANDEX FOR FLEXIBILITY. THE LINING IS 100% POLYESTER.
i can’t ever remember seeing fenway field so empty for any game, much less a yankee game!
“THIS JACKET MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO WEAR IN WARM OR COLD WEATHER”
Is it a thermos? How does it know?
Ed: I’m the last person in the world to ask about fashion!
Rebecca –
LOL, ok ok… =)
Nick –
Good question. hahahas.
THIS JACKET MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO WEAR IN WARM OR COLD WEATHER WITH COMFORTABILITY.
Probably a generous cut so you can layer something under it in colder weather
92% POLYESTER AND 8% SPANDEX
The spandex gives the polyester a little stretch
If it doesn’t say anything about a filler than it isn’t all that warm. If it had polyfill than it is a warmer jacket. Which one are you looking at? I am in industry.
Good deal on not posting the audio, Peter. Not that you need anyones approval but it was a good decision.
I hope things can move forward for the better with all you guys mutually from now on.
Pat –
oh ok, thanks. I will take that into consideration when I head to Modells next time.
“Is it a thermos? How does it know?”
Okay, that made me laugh out loud – literally.
How much is this jacket?
Good job, Johnny boy!!
Who was the clown shouting out at Jeter from the stands on NESN? lol
Johnny!
And the boos get louder for Johnny Damon and the Yankees have new life!
Damon doing some damage against his former team. Moeller came up with a huge double. wow!!
Sounds like you need to take out a mortgage to buy it with the props its getting on here, SA.
good job nady, moeller, gardner and damon!
Pete, your the man.
Trisha, get laid.
SA -
the retail price is $120. but on ebay, its $90 with $11 shipping. so i figure, try it out at Modells then buy it on ebay
jen – just emailed. a friend stopped by so it took a while!
dennis, I guess the “fans” who sell out the field all the time don’t care about “meaningless” games.
Sounds like you need to take out a mortgage to buy it with the props its getting on here, SA.
LOL Angel
the retail price is $120. but on ebay, its $90 with $11 shipping. so i figure, try it out at Modells then buy it on ebay
Oh. I see. Not too bad!
Gil Velasquez is a 10 year minor leaguer. He was a former Mets’ prospect then got dump to the Twins system, and now with the Sux.
Chris
September 26th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Pete, your the man.
Trisha, get laid.
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You’re all class. And you’re in front of a computer, WHY?
And, yes, so am I.
Folks, my buddy just called with free tickets to the Giants-Dodgers game. No Yankees for me. Frowny face.
If I get any Joe Torre audio, I’ll post it. Promise.
Go Yankees!
trisha…right on!
“chris,” learn how to spell before you use mommy’s computer.
Brett will steal 60 next season. 8D
Love Bobby!
oops, its suppose to be
That last hit by Elsbury shows why the Yanks have a poor defense.(even though they have the lowest errors). It was not an error by Jeter, but 99% of MLB shortstops gobble that up.
Wow it seems like every single game in Philly the Nats have the bases loaded.
that should be inning.
thought it would be a grand slam.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw it leave the bat. It sure had the height!
grand salami in da bronx!
wow, for once..the Red Sox plunk a non All-Star player.
c’mon Brett….
…and Brett comes through!!!
I love that kid for some reason
We are in the process of helping the Rays win the division at the expense of the sux. I don’t call that meaningless at all!
Brett pretending it’s Halladay on the mound.
Definitely grand salami at da Bronx, den!
GO BRETT! GO BRETT!
jen did you get my email?
gardner gets the job done…
I’m running a liveblog on the debate on my personal blog (it’s a private entry for my friends only) and these guys are killing me.
Too bad brettisgod didn’t hang in with us. He’d be in 7th heaven right now.
It’s a real good sign to finally see Gardner getting hits off of hard throwers like Burnett, Halladay and Aardsma. Earlier, they were knocking the bat out of his hands.
Too bad brettisgod didn’t hang in with us. He’d be in 7th heaven right now.
Haha I know.
I’m sure he is somewhere doing a little dance of joy.
“I don’t call that meaningless at all!”
Boston, as evidenced by their starting pitcher and lineup, would disagree.
Brett should be a lock in for CF next season, probably swift Melky to RF if Abreu doesn’t come back? Brett could slide into the 3 slot since he’s patient at the plate.
“Boston, as evidenced by their starting pitcher and lineup, would disagree.”
Except for the turtle dwarf Pedroia, that’s their everyday lineup. And they pulled paulie first sign of trouble. Unless I misunderstand what you’re saying.
trisha I replied again. outlook lost the first reply.
Cody Ransom doing some damage!!!!
Fredo, the only reason Pauley started was because off the rain.
Cody sure knows how to him them deep!
good way to break out his slump and against the Sux…
codyyyyyy
Dear Rebecca,
Thank you so much for your interest in the Yankees. We always love to hear from loyal fans.
To address your issues:
Did you know the new stadium may cost more then one and a half billion dollars? BILLION! I asked Hal, and he says that’s a thousand times a million. Wow! Frankly, I had no idea it was that expensive. Maybe we can eliminate some parking? Anyway, did you know, on average, we spend more then twice as much on payroll as all the other teams, in an attempt to put the best team on the field? And even that hasn’t bought us a title is years! And how about that million dollars we threw at Bernie’s last year after he was gelaimter bupkes?
I don’t have to tell you about the econony. If we are to continue our tradition of overpaying players, we can’t just give tickets away. Didn’t you say you were in grad school? How much is that costing? Is it REALLY necessary? I’ll bet that money would get you into a few games at the new stadium. And frankly, the way this country is going, you don’t need grad school. A four year degree is more then enough to get those good jobs at McDonalds.
And was that your handwriting in your letter? No offense, but it looks a little schizoid. I recommend you type any resumes you may send to McDonalds.
We should all be very thankful we have had a republican administration the last eight years to assure that at least the very wealthy can still afford seats at the new stadium. Sure, a few peasants may have starved to death, but the few have always had to make a few sacrifices for the many. And things are even tough for the Steinbrenner family. Have you ever seen my wardrobe? Dad is ashamed to be seen with me!
And lastly, maybe expensive tickets will be motivation for our young Yankee fans to… you know… work a little harder? I mean, when I was your age, I was shoveling horse sh*t down on the family horsefarm. Well, actually I was surpervising the poor schlep doing the shoveling, but you get my point. I mean, you young folk have to be interested in more then just sex, drugs, rok’n'roll and blogging (and I’ve seen you on your blog. I’ll bet you’re getting plenty!)
So my advice is to work hard at McDonalds, stop partying so much, just say ‘No’ to everything except the Yankees, and save your money so you can spend it on the Yankee and help my family in our struggle to keep this team afloat.
Again, I thank you for your kind letter, and hope you do better with your schooling then we did with this team.
Sincerely,
Hank
Nice Cody
“Fredo, the only reason Pauley started was because off the rain.”
Right Rebecca. I heard NESN say that they pulled Matsuzaka because of the rain delay.
WOW, the shot went way over the monster into the streets.
starting the game knowing the rays are down to detroit,why would boston scratch dice-k and sit key players? i don’t get it.
I don’t understand how it’s between the reports and the manager only. The fans should be pissed, we are the ones who pay everyones salary. I wouldn’t mind getting paid to be in front of Joe Girardi, and having him tell me lies. I believe it comes down to the fans, not the reports. I’m not asking for the clip, I’m just saying my opinion on the matter.
“Except for the turtle dwarf Pedroia, that’s their everyday lineup. And they pulled paulie first sign of trouble. Unless I misunderstand what you’re saying.”
They threw a minor league pitcher followed by a reliever who won’t be on their postseason roster, sat Pedroia, Ortiz and Varitek, gave Lowell one AB. My point is, that Boston apparently sees no meaning in this game.
Phillies won!! Go Marlins!!
Except for the turtle dwarf Pedroia, that’s their everyday lineup. And they pulled paulie first sign of trouble. Unless I misunderstand what you’re saying.â€
I thought Pedroia got lost following the rainbow road to gold.
“Fredo, the only reason Pauley started was because off the rain.”
Rebecca:
If Boston thought this game important, would they start David Pauley? The next game they see as meaningful is on Wednesday.
Just finished watching our old friend The Attorney Gneral make the last out in the Phils game, Thanks Mr Gonzalez Phils looking good. Mets not so much
Trisha –
Dice was scratched. They started Pauley and pulled him in favor of … the mighty David Aardsma. No Lowell, Ortiz, Drew, Pedroia. They aren’t going to risk injuries in these conditions. They have games to play next week.
They were starting Matsuzaka until the rain delay! Aardsma probably will be on their postseason roster by the way.
Lowell came out of the game because he’s hurting! Geesh don’t you have the NESN broadcast where all of this stuff is made clear?!?
Good sell Jason, I think it hit the knob of the bat.
why is Boston trying to injure our key players while our season is done? hmm…
Mr. Gonzo has been swinging a good stick in Washington check out his numbers he has nothing to be ashamed of.
Hank, that is absolutely brilliant! I am cracking up!
Good sell Jason, I think it hit the knob of the bat.
I think it really did hitted on the side of his hands.
ummm… maybe they don’t want the rays to celebrate on the field. i’m just spitballin’ here.
Fredo Corleone
September 26th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
“I don’t call that meaningless at all!â€
Boston, as evidenced by their starting pitcher and lineup, would disagree.
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So what’s your point? NYY has a 26 year old minor leaguer pitching .
Nice Robbie
wow, Cano is having a big game tonight!!!! he’s on fire….
Yankees score, Yankees score!
I still wouldn’t deal him
I wonder if they keep pulling pitchers so that the rain starts again and everything is wiped out>!
its TIMMY!!! Giambi must be smiling now!!
they should just bring moose in to pitch the 5th, get his 20th win and everyone will be happy
Mike Stanley, correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think Drew has played for quite a while now.
Can these guys all pitch again Sunday to help a Moose out?
Those Marlins do not like the Mets
show the clip…. Show the clip….. Show the clip…
Trisha yeah Drew only played like 108 games so far. If anybody is enjoying this win I know it’s you !
everyone is getting in the action!!!
jose, brilliant idea!
Love ya Brett !
Right, Freddie. They miss Varitek’s mighty .220 batting average. it’s surely a difference maker.
trisha – but what do I know
September 26th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Mike Stanley, correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think Drew has played for quite a while now.”
Drew played for a few innings last night. Had more tests today. I don’t expect to see him in the postseason.
rays are makin’ some noise in the 9th. maybe they’ll get to celebrate after all!
Brett Gardner, adjusting just like he has at every level of baseball.
Player(s) of the Game: Cano and Gardner!
No way you trade Canò. He’s got WAY too much talent and if the Peñas of the world tell you anything, it’s that you don’t give up on a guy at 25 years old, or whatever it is.
Brandon –
If you have to compare Brett Gardner to Dave Roberts, Kenny Lofton, or Juan Pierre. Who would you choose?
Just got in, looks good. Hope the weather holds up.
Drew played in their previous game after a long time out with a back injury.
dont trade cano, especially for right handed pitchers such as cain. we have enough of those, and we need to keep our young bats
It’s going to come down to patience that the Yankees need to have w/ thier young position players, another words trust your system for once in your life !
gardner’s showing soemthing
Has LoDuca been with the Marlins all year? I thought he was with the Nats.
Brett and Robbie are both having a great game
Bleh, if I was Jeff Samardizjklkjlkfa, I totally would have gone with football… he just came into the Cubs game if any of you were watching that.
“Trisha yeah Drew only played like 108 games so far. If anybody is enjoying this win I know it’s you !”
The Rays are down to their last out and down by two runs. It certainly looks like Detroit will win the game.
What could be better for a Yankee fan – under the present circumstances of course – than to beat the Sux and in doing so help another team to win the division and thereby deprive the Sux of HFA throughout the postseason?
This is sooooo sweet.
And to pound them in the process. Yeah life is pretty darned good.
If you have to compare Brett Gardner to Dave Roberts, Kenny Lofton, or Juan Pierre. Who would you choose?
Too early to tell, I’m hoping Juan Pierre..right now he’s Posednik-like..
Yeah I can agree with that Trisha. If you have to go out you may as well go out throwing uppercuts and jabs.
Let’s go Cubs ! I still love Soriano and would love him to mash his way through a post season again.
I agree bring in Mike with 2 outs in the 5th.
The Rays will now sit and watch our game to see whether they can celebrate tonight. Too bad they’ll have to wait so long for it tonight!
Too early to tell, I’m hoping Juan Pierre..right now he’s Posednik-like..
i’m thinking Pierre as well. I think Christian is more like Podsednik.
GO BREW CREW GO
Brewers up 2-1
(I should clarify – looking for ways to keep the Mets out of the post season)
And Rob, the entire field of fans now know that the Rays lost thereby keeping their division hopes alive for another day!
Ha ha ha!
alright, alright, i’m over it… i just could’nt get my head around it. boy, isn’t this sweet ya’ll!
i’m thinking Pierre as well. I think Christian is more like Podsednik.
I see Christian as an Endy Chaves inconsistant but a plus defender.
Brandon: Indeed.
What I want more than anything is to get this game to the top of the 6th!
That was just so pretty by Robby!!!
Nice play by Robbie.
So, pull Aceves now and bring in Mussina to get the cheap win and number 20? One or two innings and he could have #0 easily.
I know they won’t do it, but I think it’d be cool.
Anyone think Aceves looks like Jim Leyritz?
If the Mets don’t tie this up off Kevin Gregg then the vultures are circling w/ a grim reaper.
dennis, this is SOOOO sweet.
This is a test of sorts for all of us because this is the first time in 13 seasons that any of us has been in this position with our Yanks. And here we are cheering them on.
Good on us I say!
CT – I think the same thing.
Yeah i’m right there with you for your disdain of the Red Sox. I never really cared too much one way or the other but moving up here last here makes me just root against every preppy backwards hat rolled up shirt sleeves preppy college kid who tells me he’s been a fan of the Sox since he was born while he pulls the sticker off his crisp new hat. Nothing infuriates me more in bars here than uninformed fans trying to play off like they know more about their team and yours than you do. So I root for the Sox to lose, and to lose hard. The Pats lost Sunday, and my Superbowl cap was out all week.
RANSOMMMMMM!
Run quicker Cody !
Cody – what a riot!!!
Oh darnit. It is pouring. Are they going to get it in?
Man – that rain SUCKS
that was an interesting stat – jeter has the highest active winning pct. in baseball.
just get the outs and go home
Get 3 outs quick and forget about the batting averages.
Give away the ABs !
MAN COME ON !
well looks like this game will be called now.
soxs fans cheered cause they know it will be wiped out
those tarp people are really slow!
if Cano is traded, I would be piss. who would play 2nd? Ramiro Pena breaks in with the Yanks next season? Pena needs more development.
Sox are just playing with the Rays emotions now.
They’ll never finish this game. Get three quick outs and finish this inning. And, as I type this, the rains fall.
ooops, lots of stats might be lost!
This isn’t going to be an official game
Oh jeez
Rob –
They and their fan base are extremely hateable. You’re seeing it up close and personal. Others will just have to take our words for it!
Uh, this game better not be called…
god i hate mlb.com…why cant they stay with a game..
Do they pick it up from this point?
With our luck this season this game will be cancelled and all will be lost.
the umps better not delete those rbis.
In all fairness to the players, this game needs to be suspended.
can they just forfeit or something?
http://www.weather.com/weather.....ox_localwx
The radar doesn’t look bad.
Hey, I’ve sat up for a heck of a long time waiting out rain delays. I would think that we would have to wait for quite a bit longer before anyone could think of calling this!
if they call this game I swear…..
I just got in.
I have no idea whatsoever on what the score is
but I’m guessing the Yanks are
losing by at least 7 runs.
Am I close?
un-freakin’-believable!!!
Radar showing giant clear spot.
you are close in the number of runs but wrong team.
ER –
NO, not close. The Yanks are up 12-4.
12-3 Yankeees and 3 outs away from an official game the ump decides to delay this you got to be kidding me.
i blame it all on pete a’s negativity!
if they call this game theres a couple guys trying to make an impression on the yankees that are gonne be pissed….aka gardy and cody
“Radar showing giant clear spot.”
Yes…
The radar looks like they’ll be able to play some ball later. I think they’ll wait it out because they’re not going to want to deal with the possibility of trying to get in 3 games.
13-4 yanks ER
Pete you deserve 10% of whatever Cashman’s contract is with the way you’ve been pushing him.
This would be the second large lead that’s washed out.
Actually, it’s 12-4 Yanks. Nice try though.
How long are we talking about until the clear up ?
I am calling on all of the ghosts of the Yankees to think about what this game means for Yankee pride and rememeber the beautiful sendoff you all got on Sunday night, and find a way to get this rain to stop!
Thanks Yankee ghosts.
Ralphie D –
I think Cody already made his case on why he should be with the team next season. He already pushed Betemit out the window. Betemit is now nothing but a pinch hitter, and not being used as a defensive replacement.
anyone speak “Kay-ese” – what was he saying about not wanting to play a dh tomorrow and getting this game in – did he think they would pick it up tonight?
Jeter really needs to just sit out. No need for him to go out there again and hurt himself.
Brandon,
Don’t they have to go the full 5? So 3 outs by each team.
Brandon I’m waiting to hear what they say on NESN. If anyone gets a weather update from MY9, please let us know.
actually, i blame that scrub ransom for two lengthy home run trots
ER = Red Sox troll
Kay is a schmuck can’t he tell us what happens if they don’t restart it today.
13-4, excuse me. my bad.
A minor point I grant you, but it is more than 3 outs away from a complete game. Boston would have to have their at bats in the bottom of the fifth.
I know the Yankees are way ahead but I am not thrilled at the prospect of this game being cancelled, because that probably means a double header this weekend.
Radar looks like 30 minutes until the hard rain moves out again.
why is a drum solo like premature ejaculation? you know its coming but theres nothing you can do about it! thats what this game feels like right about now.
What? I accused ER of being a Mets fan and he said he was more of a Yankee fan than I’d ever be.
BTW, can we all agree that Mike Timlin is our favorite Sock?
I just watched 97 minutes of Obama and McCain.
I think I want to explode.
MEts are screwed with a must win tomorrow
Everybody needs to e-mail Vince and have him send a truckload of ShamWows to Boston, stat.
So let me understand this. If the mets lose the Brew Crew wins then the mets can win out and still not make it?
Pete, suspended or delayed?
trisha, i’m praying to the ghosts with ya!
So will this game be continued tonight or not?
obama mccain stunk…bad moderation,,,bad debating,,no debating,,just agenda bs
Rob: I think so.
Rebecca why do you want to explode? The reason I ask is that I have switched it on a few times and just can’t watch it. It is so boring to me. I had CNN on and they have these little scorecards on the side (unless all stations have them) with who is winning and who is losing.
I switched to Nancy Grace because I certainly can be bothered keeping NESN on!
Pete you joking right ?
I think if the Mets win out and the Brewers lose out it would be a tie.
Suspended?
I love Mo for coming to Boston in case the game needs to be saved for Moose on Sunday. He probably apologized to Girardi for causing a mess, too.
Trisha: because it’s 97 minutes of straight politicking.
Mets lose.
game suspended? what the hell!!!
hmmm, I’m glad I’m wrong
NESN is still showing it as a Rain Delay.
Now the brewers brings in mamol in the 7th inning too and they dont bring him in yesterday with the lead- Dont make sense
mel
September 26th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
What? I accused ER of being a Mets fan and he said he was more of a Yankee fan than I’d ever be.
BTW, can we all agree that Mike Timlin is our favorite Sock?
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Giambi said batting against Timlin was like playing Rock-em Sock-em Robots and Timlin’s controls are broken.
suspend is good?
play rest of 5 innings tomorrow…longggg,,,radar must look like S…
Why on earth would they suspend the game at 10:30? This is normally the 7th inning of a Yankees/Sox game anyway, it’s not like it’s midnight.
Considering there is absolutely no window to get any baseball in tomorrow, you would think they would wait longer than 10:30 to continue this game.
They better finish this game! Either tonight or pick up where it left off tomorrow…
in “THE NATURAL” they played in the rain?! wtf?
ESPN is still showing it as delayed, is there any other source saying it’s been suspended? Or did Pete typo?
Except NESN is showing it as a Rain Delay, as is MLB.com.
Is anyone hearing that the game is called?
I thought postponed is bad but suspended is good?
Mets loose!!
Johan pitching on 3 days rest. 6.14 ERA!! OUCH~~~
John Lackey’s given up 8 runs through 1.2 innings.
Who pitches the rest of the game?
Well it could be worse than this game getting called. Since all the stats dont mean jack anyway it WOULD mess up the Sox ability to set their rotation if they have to double dip on Sunday or even worse play one Monday. I wouldn’t mind watching some more baseball but the idea of them having to pitch somebody who matters a day closer to the playoffs excites me considering the way the Angels play.
um that should be lose.
suspend= continue @ later date..
Magic number for Mets in NL East = 1
Magic number for Wild Card = 2
HAHAHAHA Mets lose.
GO BREWERS
At this time of the season, I care more about the Mutts missing the playoffs even after they have acquired “true ace” Santana.
Rebecca it is definitely Rain Delay on the NESN screen. They would break in and tell if the game was called.
I have never heard of a game called after ten minutes.
And the little ticker tape across the bottom of the screen is saying it’s in a Rain Delay.
Brandon (We’ll miss you Yankees Stadium !)…”Keep Manny away !”
September 26th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Pete you joking right ?
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Lies or disinformation? I think he means, delayed. This wouldn’t fall under delay unless they wait until the AL curfew.
On the news they just said game delayed and showed them taking the tarp off.
my bad, it was delayed, not suspended. meanwhile, they’re pulling the tarp.
I had a 3:45 a.m. wakeup call in Toronto for a 6:30 flight. I’m barely awake here
Looks like tarp is coming off on My9
If it is suspended, do we have a triple header on Sunday?
Or will they wipe out this game and have a standard DH on Sunday? Or have this game and another game/
The radar is awful all day tomorrow, so if we don’t play tonight, we won’t play till Sunday.
you would think they would end the rules and either end it now or pick it up from where it was left off…
they just showed fenway on my9 and they were taking the tarp off
gb…i’m still laughing at that one. that was my favorite game as a kid because i dinged up the red one and made my kid brother use it.
I know the Mets have to now play like every game is there last day, and it is, but they are going to throw Johan and Oli Perez now. If they have to play a playoff who exactly would they be throwing in that game?
Christ, Pete, tell us you’re not driving home? o-o
Or at least that you got a chance to nap?
pete, easier to drive than wake at 345?! yikes!
Pete coffee and and green tea come on you got 2 games left after this, no excuses.
Brandon, about the Mets. Are you talking about the magic number for elimnination?
By the way, if what they flashed on the screen is fenway right now, there will be baseball.
Mark (Brett is back)
September 26th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
I know the Mets have to now play like every game is there last day, and it is, but they are going to throw Johan and Oli Perez now. If they have to play a playoff who exactly would they be throwing in that game?
They left a message for me to swing by the stadium but I told them that they should use me in the 8th inning instead.
Brandon,
You mean elimination #s right?
Those are only magic #s for the team leading in the race.
dennis
September 26th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
gb…i’m still laughing at that one. that was my favorite game as a kid because i dinged up the red one and made my kid brother use it.
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God, that was a big thing when I was growing up…that and Battleship. Got to where I hated those two things. I had younger brothers that loved it. I preferred wrecking their slot cars.
Brandon, about the Mets. Are you talking about the magic number for elimnination?
My fault trish Tragic number for NL EAST = 1, Tragic number for NL Wild Card = 2
“in “THE NATURAL†they played in the rain?!”
Not true, they called the game after Mr. Hobbs hit that triple. The NY Knights won.
Philly clinches the East with a win or Mets loss
Brewers, if they hold on, move 1 full game ahead of NYM with 2 to play.
Brewers have Sheets and Sabathia going the next 2 days agaist Lilly or Marquis.
mel- when we are rooting for the team it is tragic numbers, against it is magic.
Girardi needs to hold Jeter out the next 2 days.
His average is now an even .300. Do not let it slip below that, he needs to stay at .300.
It is also very interesting, and a reason why I love baseball. You got the Twins and White Sox fighting for their lives, and they are both getting killed tonight by the Indians and Royals. I just like how when these teams have a chance to hurt a team’s playoff bid they play so hard.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
“in “THE NATURAL†they played in the rain?!â€
Not true, they called the game after Mr. Hobbs hit that triple. The NY Knights won.”
ya,,,good call,,,but it sure looked cool as hell!
Manuel confirms it’s Johan tomorrow on 3 day rest.
Lackey’s given up 10 hits in 2+ innings.
I wish Mussina would pitch the bottom of the fifth. The rain robbed him of a lead in Pittsburgh that could have been a win.
“His average is now an even .300. Do not let it slip below that, he needs to stay at .300.”
Why?
Brandon, it looks like their tragic number for the wild card is going to be down to one since Milwaukee is winning.
I don’t know if any of the Yankee fans have ever been treated to having to listen to Don Orsillo but I feel like beating his head in with a baseball bat because every call he makes in a game sounds like a call you would hear in the 7th game of a world series. He is SOOOOOOOOO annoying! He sounds like he’s crying when he makes the calls too.
I’d take listening to Remy call the game 24-7 over that freak.
“I believe we’re ready to take off. I really believe that. I would be really surprised if we come out and not perform. I don’t think our fans will let us perform any other way.â€
Jerry Manuel before tonight’s game ouch
How did Hank get your letter when you addressed it to Hal, Rebecca?
I call Steinbrenner mail tampering shennanigans!!
6.14 era
I just realized something it might mean nothing to some people but looking at Gardner tonight and Cano, they are playing for thier Yankee career and those are players that I want on my team for the future. They could not bust it out for the remaining 3 games but tonight they and in the last stretch they have been giving thier all. Those are the type of players I wouldn’t move.
Would Mussina get the win if he pitches the 5th? I thought it was up to the official scorer.
It would be awesome to see Mike pitch the fifth, get the win, and then we don’t have to worry about Sunday.
Won’t happen though, just because it would be too awesome.
sw
September 26th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
I wish Mussina would pitch the bottom of the fifth. The rain robbed him of a lead in Pittsburgh that could have been a win.
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Unless it was his throw day, he couldn’t pitch, and even then, it’s up to the official scorer as to who gets the win.
Looks like Cynthia Rodriguez is going to marry John Elway.
Oops my bad, that’s an ex-Raider cheerleader.
Spitting image. Paige Green>C-ex-Rod
Angel: they’re brothers, you *know* they read each other’s mail!
And I think we all know that Moose would absolutely refuse to get his 20th win that way, even if he could go into the game and have the scorer award him the win. He has far too much integrity and respect for the game.
Doesnt really understand how Jerry Manuel can sit down for his after game press conference with a smile based on the teams position.
Santana pitching tomorrow wih three days rest and over 120 pitches last game not something good as far as I can see
1105
We’re back
Yahoo, game on.
dennis – ghosts did it!
gayle he won’t be smiling when he sees Johans era on 3 days rest. And like you said take into account his career high in pc. Not something to smile about.
Cody Ransom homered again? wow…
light rain at fenway field. what is timlin doing, throwing one pitch every five minutes hoping the rains will come again before we can get through five innings???
A-Rod out, Betemit in. Is A-Rod nursing an injury we aren’t being told about.
Doesnt really understand how Jerry Manuel can sit down for his after game press conference with a smile based on the teams position.
I think he’s in shock…or denial
And the offense continues.
these are some hardcore fans to still be at Fenway.
trisha looks like….
If the Brewers win tonight, and maintain their one game lead tomorrow, I would expect they’d skip CC on Sunday. That way he’s savde for a possible play-in game against the Mets or for game one of the NLDS. Better to have CC on full rest anyway.
Looks like Yankees are just going up swinging at air. get the game in, is all we want.
So if i walked over to Fenway you think they’d let me in free? lol id buy some beers at least.
If I’m the Ys I blow through this inning and get 3 quick outs and get back out there and pitch a great bottom of the 5th. After that I don’t care.
I don’t want the Yankees to give away at-bats, but come one guys, hack away. Need to get the 5 innings in.
had to run an errand, just got back and GAME ON ! ghosts kick butt! go trisha!
den –
Make it official Coke
3 more outs!
3 more outs!!
Good try by Timlin to let paint dry between pitches.
Brewers win
Great job by the Brewers tonight saving their bullpen for Ben Sheets tomorrow, with Seth Mcclung throwing 4 innings in relief tonight.
Got to love Bernie Brewer going down the slide haha.
Lets go Brett Gardner tonight with the big game.
Mets a game back in wc.
Dennis, get out your Robots and Battleship game. I’m setting up the slot cars.
Aceves is out and the Yanks need a reliever. I don’t see how it’d be “cheap” to bring Mussina in here. The rules of the game are you need to go 5 innings to win. Aceves didn’t. Yes, it’d be up to the scorer if Mussina were to get the win but worth a try imo.
“Mets a game back in wc.”
Fire Willie!! Oh wait…
trisha – but what do I know
trisha…you have a blog?
Almost off the Coke sign.
Lowrie just got Coke’d.
Mike doesn’t want to get the win that way. He wants to start.
That’s a good change up by Coke to make him dive out.
Now that I have made peace with not being in the postseason I have to say it is really cool to be able to sit back and watch other teams jockeying for playoff position knowing that they and their fans are all bundles of nerves but for once I don’t have to be!
Also, you MY9ers have seen it a lot more than I with the NESN broadcast, but it looks like the Yankees are enjoying themselves in the dugout, what with all the scoring in the game. So it’s nice to see that too rather than either somber or nervous expressions.
They just showed Phil’s ERA as 0.00. Not too shabby.
Pete, seriously, tell me you’re not driving home on such little sleep o-o
So, this is just a dream, but I think it would be cool if Josh Hamilton was our starting CF next year.
But since I know it will not be him, I am okay with Brett, as long as he keeps getting on base and stealing bases, I say let the boy play!
Oy, Coke, outs?
WOW Bet just tanked a play
damn, boston is about to give Coke his first major league ERA.
Looks like Coke will finally have an ERA
i kno it -
Not a blog but a baseball forum. With the Yanks out of the postseason we’ve kind of shut it down for the season and will pick it up after the postseason.
Clown Sox Announcer: Lots of guys in this game who played in Pawtucket and Scranton Wilkes-Barre. I assume they saw each other at some time this year.
Why thank you for the brilliant insight, glad you’re so up on the farm system of the team you announce for. Oh and consequently they played each other in the playoffs, Scranton won.
Imagine how depressing the Shea closing ceremony will be on Sunday for Mets fans.
Such a shame.
since those are minor leaguers, I think they have the advantage since they seen him before in the minors.
IT BE OFFICIAL!
Yay, it’s official. I don’t know why I’m still watching this game…
we just ELIMINATED the sox from winning the a.l. east title. to quote the late great jackie gleason ” how sweeet it is”!!!
Ok now sit him down I don’t want to risk a LH arm in this type of weather cold, rainy achy night
Bob -
Okay now it can start to pour. Work the count, what ever.
i kno it -
””Not a blog but a baseball forum. With the Yanks out of the postseason we’ve kind of shut it down for the season and will pick it up after the postseason.””
Cool…like ur thoughts,,,just wondering..
“we just ELIMINATED the sox from winning the a.l. east title. to quote the late great jackie gleason †how sweeet it isâ€!!!”
Or to quote Major League Baseball – I LIVE FOR THIS!
gb…DONE!
The fans on Sunday may not even stick around for the Shea Good-bye Shea-lebration if they miss out on the postseason again this year.
we just ELIMINATED the sox from winning the a.l. east title. to quote the late great jackie gleason †how sweeet it isâ€!!!
At least they are still going to the playoffs, so it ain’t all that sweet.
But it will prevent them from having homefield advantage in the ALDS, and ALCS. That is a pretty big deal. They’re not the same team away from their little league ballpark.
It could be interesting to see if Texas offers Blalock a contract or pick up the option. He’s been playing first and Davis is cheaper and younger.
Oy, Kay….why…..
Moeller killing!!!
See, guys? Pete doesn’t hate the Yankees. He’s sitting behind the on-deck circle wearing a Yankee jersey and cap.
jennifer-
Thanks for the Moose bar link yesterday. Are they any good?
what did he say?
Bob, I think we’ve all kind of agreed that our comments are predicated on the fact that we’ve accepted that we’re sitting out October this one year. So with that in mind, we’re enjoying whatever remnants we get and especially enjoying our role in depriving the Sux of HFA.
I call that a good night’s work!
Yeah they are pretty good.
well at least the Yanks can beat up Pawtucket.
“They’re not the same team away from their little league ballpark.”
I get such pleasure from reading everyone’s put downs on the Sux and their environs. I can’t explain what a sharing experience it is and how good it feels to know that other Yankee fans share the good will I feel toward everything Suxian!
Is Tampa Bay still watching this game, does anyone know? Or are they going to celebrate tomorrow?
I’m getting bored. Somebody hit a batter and spice things up.
i went to saturday game and bought a ‘PAPELBUM’ shirt…it never gets old!
Ya think the poor Rays are hanging out in their clubhouse at Comerica with champagne on ice ready to celebrate when the last out is recorded at fenway field?
Seriously this is the first time they will go to the postseason and they have come from a continually dismal place to the top of the hill. They so deserve to celebrate. I just hope they do.
pat, which one would ya like to see get plunked?
“i went to saturday game and bought a ‘PAPELBUM’ shirt…it never gets old!”
The Hank-Cash-Hal Bermuda triangle…
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....mans-move/
lol pete noticed the update a little late but i’d bring you some red bull and some food from the North end if you got me in the club house.
Youk. But I think they took him out. Don’t even hit him, just throw it up and in.
abe, just wondering the same things.
I have a feeling that my good friend Shel is here in someone else’s body. I just kno it.
is Girardi planning to bring in Cervelli and Miranda too?
congratulations tampa bay rays…american league east champions!
I don’t get all the hatin’ against the Mets here. C’mon we’re a NEW YORK team!
Rob: Pete’s probably still there.
What’s with the 2 hit batsmen? Did the NESN guys blame it on the rain?
“Seriously this is the first time they will go to the postseason and they have come from a continually dismal place to the top of the hill. They so deserve to celebrate. I just hope they do.”
But they should celebrate in a dignified and refined way like the Yankees always do, right trisha??
I’m getting bored. Somebody hit a batter and spice things up.
Happy ?
That was a cheap hit.
I know what would spice this game up. The next time Pukelisp comes to bat, pull the Yankee pitcher and bring in Joba!
“i went to saturday game and bought a ‘PAPELBUM’ shirt…it never gets old!”
I’d love one of those…do they sell them online anywhere?
u dont see that too often! hit by batted ball out!
dennis, my choices aren’t playing so I’ll leave it up to the pitcher.
The hit by batted ball was fun for a minute there.
yeah jen, he’s gotta have the ugliest mug in beisbol!
“congratulations tampa bay rays…american league east champions!”
INDEED, dennis!
Brandon: LMAO!
Brilliant!
“But they should celebrate in a dignified and refined way like the Yankees always do, right trisha??”
Just go away, Sux fan!
September 26th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
“i went to saturday game and bought a ‘PAPELBUM’ shirt…it never gets old!â€
I’d love one of those…do they sell them online anywhere””
ive actually looked online a few times,,,cant find anywhere,,went to game,,found outside stadium bleacher seats … 20$..
Hey did Bobby reach 100?
Never mind, Remy just said no.
Phil
September 26th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
I don’t get all the hatin’ against the Mets here. C’mon we’re a NEW YORK team!
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To Hell with the Mets and their obnoxious fans.
“i went to saturday game and bought a ‘PAPELBUM’ shirt…it never gets old!â€
I’d love one of those…do they sell them online anywhere?
No offense guys, but that kind of stuff is pretty lame and the kind of thing Red Sox fans love to do.
Spend your money on a Yankee shirt, not the kind of stuff that the Boston Frat Boy fans wear.
Boo! Robbing Bobby of the RBI opportunity.
They should just stand there with their bats on the shoulders and either take the walk or the Ks.
Miranda has to come in now, and getting in the fun. Miranda would look the wall.
Someone tell Bet just swing LH for the rest of his career
Phil
September 26th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
I don’t get all the hatin’ against the Mets here. C’mon we’re a NEW YORK team!
If this team is going to shell out 140m to this Sabbathia guy this december he needs to toss a few more meaningful playoff innings! Let’s go Brew Crew!
trisha,
How are you watching the game? NESN on the tv? They have YES on mlb.tv. Or are you blacked out?
wow. seems like a heck of a battle for that utility spot.
With no post-game tonight, no Kim Jones in the clubhouse so we might not get to see the rookie hazing on camera.
Miranda has to come in now, and getting in the fun. Miranda would look the wall.
I would have put him in already so what if it’s 14-5 w/ Giambi up
So is this correct: if the Mets lose tomorrow they lose both the division and the wild card and are eliminated?
The games on the west coast will be over before this.
if the big G gets on, I think we’ll see miranda
Can someone shove a sock in those obnoxious fans mouths.
mel, I have the game on NESN. I’m automatically blacked out of any YES broadcast when the Ys play the Sux since I’m in the latter’s market.
I would give Jason a metal if he takes a bat and goes into the stands to find that fan.
Sez GreenBeret7,.. To Hell with the Mets and their obnoxious fans.
Obnoxious? Huh?
Look, we’re trying to keep the flame going for New York. Can’t we just get along? Who’d you rather win, Boston? L.A.?
trisha
I think they can still tie for the wild card with a loss tomorrow if the Brewers lose too.
what is the biggest butt kicking ever administered to boston by the yanks? we have plenty of game left!
Abreu needs to hit one homer this weekend to get his 100 runs scored and 100 RBI. He also needs about a 4-5 run to get to .300
In fact mel, I can’t get mlb.tv for any sux game since I’m in their market and am automatically blacked out from watching sux games.
AWW!
Bob(The Original)
September 26th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
“i went to saturday game and bought a ‘PAPELBUM’ shirt…it never gets old!â€
I’d love one of those…do they sell them online anywhere?
No offense guys, but that kind of stuff is pretty lame and the kind of thing Red Sox fans love to do.
Spend your money on a Yankee shirt, not the kind of stuff that the Boston Frat Boy fans wear.”
oh have a little fun…lots of old school yankee tradition is obvious,,,i like to ‘blend’ my wear,,,especially when i hit camden yard etc…i wear a giambi shirt ,,,which i get harrassed by yankee fans half the time because he isnt a ‘real’ yankee….
hell,,if we only rooted for ‘real yankees’ there would be 3 people on the field!
Dman, Lackey got lit up big time tonight.(2.2 12 10 10 2 1 )
Hope he got it all out of his system before the ALDS.
So is this correct: if the Mets lose tomorrow they lose both the division and the wild card and are eliminated?¨
They lose the division. But the Brews still need a win or the mets need to lose Sun as well
When has a Met fan ever cheered for the Yankees? Please, I am rooting for the Mets to get knocked out.
Trisha,
If the Mets lose tomorrow they are eliminated from the division. They can still win the wild card if the Brewers lose Saturday and Sunday and the Mets win Sunday. That would force a one game playoff Monday, Brewers at Mets.
Mets are one game back if the brew Crew loses tomorrow and so do the Mets, it would stay that way.
Brandon –
apparently Giambi wants to be selfish and get those rbis.
thanks pat!
“To Hell with the Mets and their obnoxious fans.”
Amen to that
So, Let’s Go Mets!!!!
trisha – but what do I know
September 26th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
So is this correct: if the Mets lose tomorrow they lose both the division and the wild card and are eliminated?
The number would be any combination of two now. The Brew Crew winning out or a win and a loss matched by a Met win and loss does it I believe.
Have you ever seen a more depressed bunch of people whose team is going to the playoffs?
September 26th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Brandon –
”’apparently Giambi wants to be selfish and get those rbis.”’
yes! he is evil! ( sarcasm)
Thanks Rob.
You know a former SO is a photographer for the AP and is located in the Sux market. He covers both sports and news events. I know he can get people into fenway field with press passes. I’m sorry I never thought to ask him to do it when we were dating.
I really wish someone who pop that guy in the mouth.
Jeesh… Am I the only person in America who cheers for both the Yankees and the Mets?
Robi has this Ken Griffey Jr. closed swing going now..IDK he looks smarter at the plate.
Nice 9 pitch at bat for Cano.
“Have you ever seen a more depressed bunch of people whose team is going to the playoffs?”
16-5 woo
Francona is putting in ANOTHER pitcher? Trying to stop the bleeding? What are we really doing at this point? The Crew Chief needs to just call the game for rain now and spare us all the next 45 minutes of our lives.
And how great was it that the schmuck yelling for Cano to strike out got shut up by that screamer down the line?
The sux pitcher coming into the game now is the same one I saw pitch against Alfred E. Kennedy when Scranton played the Pawsux in the playoffs. He was phenomenal and boy was he throwing gas. I have no idea if it translates to the majors.
I feel a mean payback tomorrow. But it’s not the Yankees’ fault. Tito went with his AAA pitching & lineup.
Where were these battling at bats for Cano all season long?
Phil
misery loves company? I would have rooted for them until they fired Willie but since that I’m out.
i love it when the only people left in the stands are the fenway drunks!
I guess Boston really wants to be swept this weekend.
“Have you ever seen a more depressed bunch of people whose team is going to the playoffs?
? who are we talking about?
Brandon, if he’s seeing the ball better, it may lead him to being more patient at the plate as it appears that he has, lately.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
i love it when the only people left in the stands are the fenway drunks!
i agree,,,fun to hear them,,,,though i wish i was there!
I don’t get all the hatin’ against the Mets here. C’mon we’re a NEW YORK team!¨
If you grew up in the 80´s when the Yanks were terrible and the Mets were champions and were surrounded by Met fans who tortured you at every opportunity… I actually try to root for the Mets especially when Willie was skipper but it just doesn´t work. It´s embedded in one´s youth. And after Willie got axed it´s just impossible.
I actually rooted for the Sox in 86´. I remember screaming after the Buckner fiasco. I got chills watching that ball roll through Casey earlier!
They are showing the red sox fans on tv, they all look sad and depressed.
pat, yeah, I disagreed with the Mets firing Willie. Big mistake. Still, if we make it into the playoffs, I’m all Mets.
dennis
September 26th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
i love it when the only people left in the stands are the fenway drunks!
That’s usually about 35,000 drunk fans.
mel
I could see payback tomorrow too but the Sox are playing for less tomorrow than they were today. Wonder if they’ll pitch Dice-K? It might be fun for all Yankees to take 2 strikes before swinging and see how many walks they could accumulate.
I feel a mean payback tomorrow. But it’s not the Yankees’ fault. Tito went with his AAA pitching & lineup.
so did Girardi. he just left Abreu and Giambi in there to get their rbis.
now that Miranda is in, where’s Cervelli?
Brandon, if he’s seeing the ball better, it may lead him to being more patient at the plate as it appears that he has, lately.
I always secretly wondered that GB, you notice when he looks in he was seeing the ball from a wierd angle and then he has to step in and out to transfer the weight, I’ve been seeing very not just good, but very good discipline from Robi w/ that closed stance..Who knows
D-Rob, wheelin and dealin!!
I hope Ransom swings for the fences here.
Cano’s D was excellent in the 1st half, here was nothing to sit him down for in a disciplinary sense.
The mechanical adjustment Long & Cano made in his closing his batting stance – maybe that’s the thing. now that i think of it, Canno’s dad helped him adjust his approach at the all-star break, and he hit better right after that. so i susppect it’s a matter of consistent mechanics
Bronx Jeers
You described my childhood perfectly. Imagine growing up in the Bronx with Mets fans everywhere. Those of us in our 30′s remember those days with dread and despise the Mets. I can never root for them, ever.
“They are showing the red sox fans on tv, they all look sad and depressed.”
gb, i wonder what percentage are irish.
You know, I wonder if Omar would want some of our bullpen arms…I’m so impressed by our young guys.
Phil: You and the mayor of NYC, I imagine.
Did the Rays stay in the clubhouse to celebrate tonight?
Now Melky hits? j/k
Oh I thought Cody had it.
I thought Ransom was going to have his 3rd homer of the night.
So that was a double? I see the official scorer decided to mail this one in too.
Come on Bobby!!! Sac fly will do it!
Rebecca: Phil: You and the mayor of NYC, I imagine.
LOL, you got me!
Mark, same here. chance to make some history in a “meaningless” game.
What’s this history everyone’s talking about? Cody?
If I can make sure of anything is as soon as Bobby’s career is over make him a minor league instructor for the Yankees latin players. I love his approach per AB.
grats bobby
Bobby got his 100 rbis.
Congrats to Bobby, hope your back next year.
Yay Bobby!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My hero Bobby!!!!!
Congratulations on 100 RBI Bobby!
Congrats Bobby!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats, Bobay!
Congrats to Bobby
Mel –
hitting 3 homers in a game.
dennis
September 27th, 2008 at 12:09 am
gb, i wonder what percentage are irish.
Real Irish or Irish only when it suits their purpose?
And he gives Hackeysack an ERA.
Brandon,
What cap will Bobby wear into the Hall?
alright bobby! ribee # 100!
If you’re the Red Sox and you can connect for a touchdown do you go for the two point conversion? Probably not since you’ll need an extra score anyway.
gb…the latter!
Ed,
Why would that be history? First Yankee?
YankeeJosh,
Yeah I´m sure it´s something a lot of the younger fans wouldn´t understand.
Just today I read a post from somebody saying they don’t remember the Yankees before there was a Derek Jeter. Jeez how awesome is that?
In some ways the failure of this year is a good learning experience for these young fans…you know sort of help them appreciate things a bit more. In 96´ I recall feeling like I re-discoverd a part of my childhood that was lost after Thurman died. It was such an amazing feeling and one that I never expected by simply watching baseball.
The game is powerful.
Who does the FOX games with McCarver when Buck starts doing football?
“If you’re the Red Sox and you can connect for a touchdown do you go for the two point conversion? Probably not since you’ll need an extra score anyway.”
LMAO!!!
george
September 27th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Cano’s D was excellent in the 1st half, here was nothing to sit him down for in a disciplinary sense.
The mechanical adjustment Long & Cano made in his closing his batting stance – maybe that’s the thing. now that i think of it, Canno’s dad helped him adjust his approach at the all-star break, and he hit better right after that. so i susppect it’s a matter of consistent mechanics
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Nah…it was a needed wakeup call, but, the change in his batting stance should have been noticed months ago by Long and Girardi. I realize that he was hitting over .300 in the months of May, June, July and August, but, he wasn’t really driving the ball, just flipping the ball.
Mel –
I’m guessing 3 homers in a game as a rookie. I didn’t know about it till Kay was talking about Ransom has a chance to make history.
Tonight’s rendition of “Sweet Caroline” will be replaced by “99 bottles of beer on the wall”
Bronx Jeers: Were you reading my post?
And guys, Michael Kay thinks we should all seek help.
Show of hands who wants to see Humberto Sanchez pitch in this game? I know my hand is raised. OH COME ON…. Chris Britton ? Really Joe? Do you want EVERYBODY to go home.
Hey Miranda is in.
Arod looks totally out of sync, chasing pitches that don’t even start in the zone, taking meat balls (sitting on pitches or simply guessing); it’s probably best for him that the season is over. Will Joe keep him out to protect his .300 average, or let him play to take a shot at the home run title?
I didn’t hear the audio of Joe’s comments. Did he really say it’s “his job to protect the players”? (from the media)That’s a curious view of “managing the players”. It’s also part of the problem this year given those silly statements such as (i) Cano is like Roberto Alamar, (ii) Arod has always hit in the clutch, etc. If a player doesn’t execute, tell it like it is, don’t protect him. Let him step up.
Even Gameday video guy mailed it in. No highlights after the 1st inning.
Pete, you must be kidding. A day after devoting a hysterical rant against Girardi for lying all season to reporters, you now say it’s a private matter?
Rob -
O/T…I just read your post on the OS forums. I totally agree with you. Those lines are annoying. lol….
I wonder if Dave Robertson would be better than the Mets BP
dennis
September 27th, 2008 at 12:20 am
gb…the latter!
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About 2%
“Bobby asked for the ball for got it. He’ll get a lot of money from somebody next season.”
Yep. The Yankees.
I can’t believe I’m still watching this. lol
I wonder if Dave Robertson would be better than the Mets BP
I think the Mets BP equals to Hawkins when he with the Yankee.
pat, too bad they BOTH are’nt doing football.
SA –
You not the only one. lol
thought Nady would have homered.
Atta boy Nady
This game will end at 12:56AM
I’m going to immediately switch to other ESPN channels once our game is over in the hopes of finding a Rays celebration. I can’t tell you how happy I am for the Rays.
How has nobody complained about stat padding tonight?
The Mets bullpen makes my brain hurt.
Also, why couldn’t we have games like this, you know, before we were eliminated?
Cano, please some fire for tomorrow!!
Bronx Jeers,
1996 was bittersweet for me. I started following the Yankees in 1982/1983, so I missed out on the playoff run from 76-81 and Donnie Baseball was the real staple of my childhood and the team. I was excited in 1996 but disappointed that Mattingly didn’t get the ring. Honestly, if we had won in 94 or 95 it would have meant more to me.
“How has nobody complained about stat padding tonight?”
pat, because only the diehards are here tonight, not the fair-weather fans who live to complain.
You know pat you’re just padding your posts with the nonsense tonight. This game is a blowout and you couldn’t post in the clutch only when the game is out of hand!!
seriously…no Cervelli?
Is it wrong that I cheered that double play?
19-5.
lets go i want 20 runs
Well Robi and Gardner are the main culprits to the padding I like that there are players giving there all even when the season is over, but some of those players are playing for thier Yankee career.
here comes the big brit
pat, because only the diehards are here tonight, not the fair-weather fans who live to complain.
speaking of fair weather fans, if they were here..they would make like a 100 posts about trading Cano for this and that.
Okay Boston. Fourteen runs, let’s go!
Think the offense was feeling frustrate much?
Is Mo coming in now?????
(It’s a joke!)
Tonights win guarantees the Yanks 3rd place and guarantees the Rays 1st place. It’s weird to say one of those things but to say both of those things, is surreal.
Rebecca: After the debate and thinking about the Mets bullpen, your head must really be killing you
Maybe you need to do another video. And Singleton said we’re hearty fans for staying up 
Well, Gardner is now hitting .229 and 16 RBI. Nice recovery.
1-2-3 Britton. Let’s go
“speaking of fair weather fans, if they were here..they would make like a 100 posts about trading Cano for this and that.”
Also about getting rid of Giambi and packaging Cano and Hughes for Kemp – or something like that!
Baseball Tonight is getting ready to show the Rays’s clinching immediately after the last out.
Bob: The world does not need to see me on video right now o-o.
And actually, my head is pounding me, but that might be because of the gangsta party outside.
Rob NY
If you check blogging-reference.com, you’ll see my posts in the clutch as well as close and late are well above league average this year.
I hope they save some runs for the Moose. As we know the offense tends to go into hibernation after a blow out.
This is Chris Britton’s chance to get back at GI Joe for those bus rides.
Also about getting rid of Giambi and packaging Cano and Hughes for Kemp – or something like that!
LOL, so true..
YAY! Thank you Ed! I have tears in my eyes already because I am truly so happy for that franchise.
GREAT JOB RAYS.
lol touchee pat I hadn’t realized you were blogging a robust .450 with men on and 2 outs.
it’s not stat padding when they’re hitting against AAA pitching all night.
I guess I can root for the Rays even if just for Carlos Pena and the Zimm.
This is Chris Britton’s chance to get back at GI Joe for those bus rides.
I could see him gone this offseason, being packaged in some kind of a deal.
I don’t care what Abreu’s stats are. He wasn’t producing when it counted and was a subpar offensive player most of the year. He’s a big softee with no intensity and is a reason the Yankees are where they are now. Hopefully he’s gone next season, not to mention he’ll be 35 – hopefully the Yankees are learning thier lessons with these aging stars.
Think Tampa’s still watching? Think they hate Chris Britton much right now?
The Yankees look like they have won like 8 of 9? Whats odd is that our cleanup has not figured in any of these wins. Thats part of the reason they are done after Sunday. Your cleanup guy should be getting hits and driving in runs that impact the game. He should be getting game winning hits and RBI. He doesnt
Well this isn’t going as planned Britton.
R: You gotta watch those Fordham parties
if this was a fight they would have stopped it during the 7th round…er…inning!
Also about getting rid of Giambi and packaging Cano and Hughes for Kemp – or something like that!
I’d still get rid of Giambi…That man must be sent away …you son of a b… damn you Britton !..anyway he needs to go otherwise you know who’s your 1B/#5 hitter next yr. w/ RISP.
Robi I’d still keep him.
you are very welcome, Trisha.
I think it was nice of Boggs letting the Rays retiring #12 for him
wonder if britton gets packaged in a deal as a throw in.
Britton you got the 13 run lead throw strikes.
If Britton walks this guy….DFA him
Rebecca they are – I just switched to BBT and they said the Rays are in their clubhouse in Detroit waiting to pop the champagne!
Holy hell Britton o-o. It’s nearly 1 AM!
pat,
It’s not stat padding because it’s a meaningful game.
1. A good ol’ butt-whoopin’ in Fenway Park
2. Eliminating them in Fenway Park
3. Making the Rays hold off their celebration for a few hours as their champagne goes flat.
1 more out Britton. Please.
Before daylight would be nice.
Earth to Britton: This is an AAA lineup
Are we kidding here…
strikes britton. throw a few.
Britton. Pete has been awake almost 24 hours. END THE DANG GAME.
Melky should have had that but probably lost it in the fog.
BRITTON YOU SUCK.
Can they just DFA this guy? Please?
Seriously Kay you had to mention that.
amending previous post: Instead of Britton being a throw in with a trade… maybe the Yanks actively just DFA his worthless butt.
SA with the jinx.
Lesson for Britton. Walks kill.
1 more strike
Dang. It’s only 3 runs by 19-5 sounded cooler than 19-8.
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WHY is Michael Kay talking about the 2004 ALCS?
What the hell is wrong with him?
DFA DFA DFA DFA DFA
lol
all ya can do is laugh
Someone remind me again how many men has he put on base?
Rebecca,
Yeah, I guess so. See, you´re luckier than you´ll ever know. Yankeewise at least. Trust me, you´ll be loving next season more than ever now that you´ve seen the bottom. (And this is not really the bottom.)
Melky lost in the fog! fitting for his season.
YankeeJosh,
Yeah 1995 was one of the worst losses. Right up there with 2004. I´ll root for the Dodgers and for Mattingly´s 1st ring as unlikely as it seems.
what the hell is right with michael kay?
Brandon –
I read the papers today that the Jays, Rangers, and Angels are interested in Giambi this offseason. The Jays are interested in him because of Riccardi’s Oakland days as GM. The Rangers need a DH/1B if Milton Bradley doesn’t come back. The Angels has shown interest in Giambi since last year, and they would be the most likely team to sign him if they failed to retain Texieira.
I hate to see Boston have momentum going into tomorrow’s game, and that’s what this bottom of the 9th is doing.
I’m thankful to be watching NESN then and not having to hear Kay say anything about the you-know-what ALCS.
I’M SORRY BUT
I want to shower already. C’mon Britton, throw some damn strikes.
Britton hates the Rays…
about time..congrats Rays.
THANK YOU GOD!
Yankees finally win this game. A miracle!
Congrats to the TB Rays on winning the AL East
Bronx Jeers: Uh, dude, I’m a Jets, Nets and Syracuse Football Fan.
I’ve seen rock bottom and third place ain’t it.
Well, Britton is no longer in the 2009 plans for NYY. He is killing any chances of getting a decent minor leaguer for him, though.
OKAY RAYS… POP THE CORKS AND HAVE A BALL! YOU DESERVE IT!
sunny: good point.
Goodnight.
Our personal hell started the last time the Yankees beat the Sox 19-8, hopefully, this sginifies the end of this terrible period in Yankee history.
Congratulations Tampa!
thanks andrea
Jeff: Good point. Let’s hope so!
This is Chris Britton’s chance to get back at GI Joe for those bus rides.
I could see him gone this offseason, being packaged in some kind of a deal.¨
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I´d take him as long as they throw in his frequent flyer miles.
Ouch, Angels first round for the Sox
Jeff NY: one can only hope.
I only caught the end of this game. Anything exciting happen that I missed?
Very strange happenings at the Giants-Dodgers game. Joe Torre is concerned. Audio to come.
Brandon,
so your saying teams that are just as good or better than the Yanks are interested in Giambi?
How does he fit in with the Angels?
He is not their type of player at all. If thats the case we should keep him. If he is good enough to play for the angels he certainly good enough to play for the Yankees. I `d rather just trade LA Arod and hope to get a bunch of arms for him
Pete, seriously, drive safe.
Nick, what’s going on?
I only caught the end of this game. Anything exciting happen that I missed?
Coke threw a pitch that was lined at Kevin Cash’s leg.
tim boat
September 27th, 2008 at 12:42 am
I don’t care what Abreu’s stats are. He wasn’t producing when it counted and was a subpar offensive player most of the year. He’s a big softee with no intensity and is a reason the Yankees are where they are now. Hopefully he’s gone next season, not to mention he’ll be 35 – hopefully the Yankees are learning thier lessons with these aging stars.
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You don’t bother looking at numbers, do you?
Please let this be the last time that we see Chris Britton in a Yankees uniform. They need 40 man roster help and in my opinon he is a wasted spot and dont tell me basue he wasnt used. Because every time he was used he was worthless.
Onto rookie hazing!!!
Chris Britton should never do anything other than overeat.
Stick to what you’re good at.
can someone tell me why the whole Mariners team is hating on Ichiro for wanting to win? They just want him to take some pitches so they could get a better look of the pitcher. so how could they win if no one is on base?
Very strange happenings at the Giants-Dodgers game. Joe Torre is concerned¨
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Holbrook sighting? Did he slip and fall?
Gayle, this will be Britton’s last appearance in Yankee pinstripes or road greys.
Ed: You lose 100 games, it’s amazing who you’ll hate.
Why did Robertson get the win tonight and not Phil Coke?
Nick,
Stop being so cryptic. Torre’s concerned or it concerns Torre?
Overturned replay call turns a single into a HR for the Giants.
pat: Wow, so strange doings do occur.
theres nothing i like more than losing to the yankees 19-8. october is going to be fun.
yankees.com showing Ponson vs. Matsuzaka. Who was originally slotted?
Will they get the game in tomorrow?
mel: Pettitte and I’d guess Wakefield
pat
September 27th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Overturned replay call turns a single into a HR for the Giants.
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The oddity in that was that although Bengie Molina hit the home run, he didn’t score the run. He was taken out for a pinch runner, who finished the trot around the bases.
Pettitte was supposed to pitch.
poor Bengie.
“mel
September 27th, 2008 at 1:16 am
yankees.com showing Ponson vs. Matsuzaka. Who was originally slotted?
Will they get the game in tomorrow?”
Pettitte was supposed to pitch.
Sorry Sully but just like lightning, bloody socks never strike twice in the same place.
Thanks guys, looks like Wakefield’s going Sunday against Moose.
Kay said the more people you talk to, the more it sounds like Moose is leaning towards retirement.
That will be a shame if he does. He still looks like he’s got some left in the tank.
Hoping for a Dodgers-Rays WS
Rebedda, Molina wasn’t hurt, but, when the umps screwed up the call and Molina was stopped at first base, SF put in a pinch runner. When the call was reversed, the umps wouldn’t let Molina back in the game and the pinch runner stayed to finish the trot.
Ed: You lose 100 games, it’s amazing who you’ll hate.
The Nationals lost as much as the Mariners, I don’t see them hating on somebody. how about hating on Boone and Young since they are veterns? or how about Nick Johnson since he’s always injuried. LOL, how low can the Mariners scoop to?
Another historic Molina dinger? Mama Molina must be proud this week!
GB7,
So he gets the ribbie, but not his own run?
Kemp just K’d. Let’s keep Cano.
Never mind. No video on GD, but he got 2 ribs & 1 run.
Torre is still a push button manager. Sends up 3 pinch hitters in the 9 after Loney homered and gets a single from Garciaparra, a strikeout from Kemp and the pinch hit 2 run homer from Martin.
Nick,
Were you scoreboard watching? Cano was 3-5 with 5 ribs
Mel, he gets the RbI and run scored because of a seldom used scoring rule on homers. If, for some reason, i.e. ejected, injured, or for some reason can’t continue, the batter gets credit for both.
GB7,
Did you see that Proctor finally got in a game.
Poor kid. His ERA is over 6. You wonder if he’d rather play for Bad Joe than for Good Joe.
The topper is that the game is being played under protest by SF and LA is now leading 5-4.
Yeah, I did, Mel. It was Proctor that gave up Molina’s homer.
Here’s a fun fact but complete non sequitir: The last time the Yankees beat the Sox by a score of 19-8 was game 3 of the 2004 ALCS.
Completely meaningless, but I found it kinda funny–in a twisted, depressing way.
Mel, Mussina said today on Francessa that one of the few places he would play is with the Yanks if they want him. He’s like Pettitte…he’s going home and think about it for a week or so. He was saying that it will most likely take a 3 year committment to reach 300 at his age, because 15 a year for two years would be tough, but, I got the impression that he would pitch if the Yanks wants him back. I’m guessing both he and Pettitte will return. Pettitte had an MRI today and it came back clean. No damage in the elbow and shoulder.
Former Assistant General Manager for the Yanks, Kim Ng is being considered for the GM spot in Seattle. Hope she gets it.
[i]UnKnown September 27th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Why did Robertson get the win tonight and not Phil Coke?[/i]
When the pitcher of record gets taken out before 5 innings, the official scorer determines by his judgment who the winner is because there is no pitcher of record anymore. John Sterling mentioned this on the radio sometime two weeks ago.
Robertson likely got the W because he had 3 K, 0 R over 2IP. Usually, the relief pitcher that gives up the least runs and/or hits gets the nod.
“Thats 100 RBI for Bobby Abreu. He has reached that plateau for six straight seasons, joining only A-Rod and Albert Pujols on that list.”
Peter, I assume you meant to say current players, correct?
I’m confused about your 100 RBIs for 6 straight seasons stat…even assuming you’re talking about active players, a quick (incomplete) search yielded the following active players who have hit 100 RBIs for 6 straight seasons…
Jim Thome, Carlos Delgado, Jason Giambi, Frank Thomas, Manny Ramirez
Perhaps what you were trying to say is that Abreu is one of only three active players to hit 100 RBIs in the last six seasons?
As much as there is a liberal media bias there is a Red Sox bias. Look at this quote in ESPN “New York scored in every inning but the sixth, the most runs it has scored this season and the most allowed by Boston since losing 19-8 to the Yankees in Game 3 of the 2004 AL championship series. The Red Sox won the next four games to come back from a 3-0 deficit, then swept St. Louis in the World Series to end their 86-year championship drought.”
Jeeez!
Hard game to get through … kudos to you!