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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 26, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Jason Giambi has no regrets and would like to return to the Yankees. There’s little chance of that, however.

Mariano Rivera returned to New York to have his shoulder examined. But Joe Girardi tried to cover that up, unsuccessfully.

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Meanwhile, it would appear the Yankees have a problem with the credibility of their manager.

Girardi lied to reporters, writes The Daily News.

Girardi has misled reporters and been less than forthright, writes The New York Times.

Girardi did not acknowledge the shoulder injury, writes The Star-Ledger

Girardi said he wasn’t hiding information. But Rivera needs surgery, writes The New York Post

There is a seeming disconnect between Girardi and Cashman on this issue, writes Newsday.

Even Yankees.com acknowledges that “events conflicted.”

All signs report to Brian Cashman returning as GM. Once that is settled, he needs to talk to Girardi about how best to deal with injuries. It has become a problem in the clubhouse now as players have to explain that they are actually injured when the manager says something else.

The “cranky body” story may sound good. But it puts Mariano Rivera in a tough spot, one he does not want to be in. If nothing else, the Yankees need to get their stories straight.

Meanwhile, the sloppy cover-up has clouded the real issue. Why in the world was Rivera pitching four out of five days in the first place in such meaningless games? No wonder he hurt his shoulder.

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214 Responses to “Today in The Journal News (and elsewhere)”

  1. Searle September 26th, 2008 at 6:04 am

    why must you constantly restate this, you will annoy people (like me right now) by repeating the disconnect between the NY media and Girardi. But let’s face it, you are not an employee of the Yankees nor some government agency that gets regulated (though right now is there such an agency?). Yes, I am a fan and read you almost everyday, but I know if I learn everything little thing about the team, the Al East also does and then the Al West and then….We get it, he is a pitcher, he is 38 and missed a month or so in 2006. How about take the angle that Marte should be kept becuase he probably has the only closer experience in that bullpen right now and could be a fill in closer if Rivera needs rehab. $6 million option for a closer backup, even with inconsistent these last 2 months, is probably worth it. Ever since the Yankees lost their way this second half, fans still love the team and want to hear the occasional good thing about this flawed team. enough already, you seemed like such a quality guy these last few years but now have a grudge, starting to get petty, I hope you get some sleep and get recharged for 2009.

  2. Only umps on the take hate instant replay. September 26th, 2008 at 6:31 am

    I love the tears of upset beat writers. They’re delicious. Bitter- just the way I like them.

  3. Natalie September 26th, 2008 at 6:51 am

    Speaking of cranky .. this beat writer sure is cranky. And unprofessional at that.

  4. autograph seeker September 26th, 2008 at 6:52 am

    I want to believe it with so all those places running the story, but if he was lying I doubt Girardi just goes and digs himself deeper by continuing to say Mo only told him it was his whole body. For all we know, that is the truth.

    Either way, I understand why you and/or other writers would hate this, but as a fan and fan alone, Girardi can lie all he wants if he is a competent manager, unless it becomes detrimental to winning.

  5. Steve September 26th, 2008 at 7:30 am

    Peter Abraham is using this to further his vendetta against Girardi, acting like its WW3. He’s even posted the pre and post game interviews as if they are some smoking gun and they dont help his case.

    Talk about a press corp looking to create a story out of nothing. He said he felt “cranky” in the pre game and that was the reason for the physical, which he attempted to downplay like 99% of managers would.

    Now, its Watergate since he has an issue with his shoulder. This is a bunch of reporters, bored out of their minds covering a team thats out of contention. EVERY manager in Baseball downplays and defelects getting specific about injuries. Torre did it all the time, but for some reason with Girardi its an issue. I guess he doesn’t handle it with the charm that Torre did.

  6. Yankees Fan September 26th, 2008 at 7:41 am

    Girardi doesn’t talk. He’s old school. He wouldn’t give Buster Olney anything for his book, either.

    All the Yanks have to do is figure out a way for him to say stuff like, “We’re not sure yet, I’ll have to get back to you.” That way, the Woodwards and Bernsteins in the clubhouse won’t be able to accuse him of “lying.”

  7. Braintrust September 26th, 2008 at 7:42 am

    “Meanwhile, the sloppy cover-up has clouded the real issue. Why in the world was Rivera pitching four out of five days in the first place in such meaningless games? No wonder he hurt his shoulder.”

    That’s a question for MO. HE didn’t tell the team until they were officially eliminated. Same as Pettitte. Girardi may be foolish with the media, but Mo pitching on those days was because HE wanted to.

  8. BBFan September 26th, 2008 at 7:43 am

    You know what Pete. You are just acting like a senseless jerk again and again and again. Report whatever you want but without knowing the facts don’t call Girardi a lier. Wait until Mariano has his physical and full details come out.

    In fact, in Joba’s case in the middle of the year, you were the lier and Girardi was telling the truth. In that case Girardi said Joba was day to day and it was correct. You made a big deal out of it telling any one who wants to believe you that Girardi was not telling the truth. Shame on you. You have very low credibility with your criticism of Girardi.

  9. Doreen September 26th, 2008 at 7:50 am

    At the time, the Yankees were not eliminated. I don’t understand why it’s so hard to believe that Mariano would wait until after elimination to suggest he was feeling “cranky,” sore, or whatever.

    I think Girardi needs to learn to handle these situations better, but I listened to the post game and he was badgered. It was reminiscent of a prosecutor trying to break someone down on the witness stand. I don’t think that’s right, either.

    One other point is that it is entirely possible that Mo told Girardi he was generally cranky and wanted to get checked out, and then been more specific with Cashman – in any event if he was scheduling an MRI, I would think at that point he’d have to be specific about where exactly the crankiness was.

    Players keep injuries, minor and otherwise, to themselves a lot. Mariano probably didn’t say anything before the elimination because he knew Girardi would not use him.

    I repeat, I think Girardi could handle these situations better, but I also think the media has an axe to grind right now.

  10. BBFan September 26th, 2008 at 7:52 am

    “All the Yanks have to do is figure out a way for him to say stuff like, “We’re not sure yet, I’ll have to get back to you.” That way, the Woodwards and Bernsteins in the clubhouse won’t be able to accuse him of “lying.””

    I wish it works.
    Girardi did try that during early season and Pete moaned that Girardi is hiding the informaiton. I do not think Girardi should give a damn about what Pete thinks. In fact he does not. I am not even sure if Girardi knows who Pete is given Journal News is a small regional newspaper. Pete’s fame is from this blog.

  11. BBFan September 26th, 2008 at 7:56 am

    Pete,

    There is a lot you can learn from Doreen’s note so that you won’t come across like a jerk next time.

  12. TurnTwo September 26th, 2008 at 7:59 am

    cry me a river, Pete.

  13. give it up September 26th, 2008 at 8:05 am

    tfb about what joe g told you guys. you were so freaking spoiled by torre and all this year all you and the other media idiots did was whine and cry about the info joe g. kept from you, too bad!

    i hope they keep cash and joe g. and cash tells joe to just keep on telling you guys whatever is convenient to tell you, especially in all the situations where letting the info out would have tipped off the other team. id rather see him mislead you guys (and by extension the opposition as well as us news consumers) than make you guys feel better by telling you the truth and having you guys blab it to the other team.

    joe g has done a good job and deserves to come back and you guys need to just shut up and stop campaigning to fire joe g.

    you’re a bunch of freakin crybabies.

  14. Boom Goes The Dynamite September 26th, 2008 at 8:06 am

    Obviously, Joe Torre is to blame for this.

  15. crawdaddie September 26th, 2008 at 8:06 am

    Peter,
    You’re a piece of work, I won’t attempt to say anything else that will get me banned from here.

  16. 86w183 September 26th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    I’m gonna support Pete here. As someone who has worked in the media my whole life I understand how difficult it is to do your job when the key people you work with and report on frequently and consistently mislead you or outright lie.

    People talk about how “tough” the media cane be on people. Well I promise you the media is tougher on guys who make their life more difficult than it needs to be.

    It’s one thing to be reticent about giving out injury information, particularly at a player’s request. It’s quite another to lie (end of the year physical, right!) to the media and thus the public. I don’t like it when elected officials do it. I don’t like it when business leaders do it and I don’t like it when Magaers/coaches do it.

    In the long run it’s important that people have credibility with the media that reports on them. Joe G needs to learn that lesson, the sooner the better.

  17. Wang IS Taiwan September 26th, 2008 at 8:14 am

    Like you posters know more about the situation than the beat reporters. PLEASE. Calling Pete unprofessional is flat-out absurd.

    What the heck is Girardi doing even ASKING Mo to pitch 4 out of 5 days in meaningless games? And if you say they WERE meaningful last week, you’re being as delusional as Girardi. Of course Mo isn’t going to refuse his manager. Bottom line: Girardi shouldn’t have put Mo in that situation.

    Wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Mo feels like being more forthcoming with Cash than Girardi. What’s Girardi done to engender any trust with his players? He can’t even be honest with the basic stuff.

    Yeah, yeah. He’s protecting the national secrets of the team. Who are you afraid is going to profit from knowing that Mo’s possibly injured at this point? The Red Sox?

    If you have such an issue with Pete’s blog comments, then go somewhere else. No one is stopping you.

  18. lester holt's mouth September 26th, 2008 at 8:23 am

    man, this dead horse is crying for help

  19. vinny-b (place Arod on irrevocable waivers) September 26th, 2008 at 8:23 am

    you’re a drama queen, Pete

    it is evident you don’t like Girardi. Likely due to the fact Girardi failed to say hello one spring day in 2008, or some other trivial/personal issue.

    most fans are satisfied to wait for team statements, concerning injuries. Injuries are what they are. Your ‘Sherlock Holmes Minute By Minute’ injury reporting will not heal/resolve an existing injury. And this team is eliminated from playoff contention. If the injury isn’t revealed until after the season, nothing changes.

  20. Betsy September 26th, 2008 at 8:25 am

    Pete, you have got to be kidding. You blamed the Yankees for Phil’s injury last year and now you’re blaming them for Mo’s? Give me a break…….also, your comments make no sense. The Yankees weren’t eliminated until Wednesday night, so I’d like to know how the games against the White Sox and the Jays were meaningless. What, is Mo not supposed to pitch? You say you don’t understand fans who aren’t upset about Joe’s comments about injuries, but it’s hard to hear the message when we are upset about the messenger. No matter what you say about it all being in humor, you have been snarky towards Joe all season. It, therefore, wouldn’t be totally out of line to suggest you have some sort of agenda

  21. Yankees 4ever September 26th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    The media loved Torre because he always gave them the time of day, Girardi is a different manager and to tell you the truth, I think that this year he took over Torre’s team from last year. Next year it will be more his team, because most of the baggage from this team will be gone. The media is looking for the slightest piece of misinformation to hang Girardi on because they all loved Torre. This past month has been, Torre will make the playoffs again and the Yankees will not, give me a break, not even Torre would have been able to get into the postseason with the problems this team and if it did the bullpen would have been done by September.
    The Dodgers are in the playoffs, whoop de do!, even if they win all of the rest of the games in the season, they will only have 86 wins, if Manny had not been traded to them, do you think the team would be in the playoffs?

  22. vinny-b September 26th, 2008 at 8:33 am

    some of the beat reporters don’t like Girardi, because Torre was nicer to them. He smiled more.

  23. Joe Girardi September 26th, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Has anyone seen my credibility?

  24. Yankees 4ever September 26th, 2008 at 8:36 am

    Hey wang is Taiwan, Mo could have opened his mouth and told girardi that he could not go. When Torre was here, he would use mo 3 or 4 days in a row for 4 or 5 out saves and if mo had an issue or problem or felt “cranky” he told Torre and he would shut him down.
    Listen, I am sure that because it was the last week at the Stadium, mo was going to go out there no matter what and would not have said anything to anyone, how do we know when his shoulder got cranky, could have been Sunday.

  25. ellen September 26th, 2008 at 8:36 am

    Are you guys kidding? Pete is a professional baseball writer, folks. Do you suppose he has a modicum more experience in how these things are supposed to work than people reading a blog do? He’s not crying about it. He’s letting you know that the manager of your favorite team doesn’t know how to handle the media circus that is NY. This is pretty plain.

    The fans want info. The beat writer’s job is to obtain info – not for his own curiosity – but for the rather rabid NY fanbase. Now, we know that Girardi is not a good source of even basic information. He looks foolish. These are not state secrets.

    And with all due respect, the games last week were not meaningful. We don’t know when Girardi learned of Mo’s shoulder issues. But surely, by last night, Girardi knew that Mo’s MRI was not a typical end-of-season physical. So did all of those “clueless” writers who kept asking him about it – because they knew what he was saying to them was not only a lie, but a really dumb one.

    Here’s a question: why have a press conference, or two, every day if what you’re saying is not to be believed? Especially since your statements are going to be refuted 30 seconds later. Girardi’s schtick would play in Podunk, maybe, but not in NY.

  26. Fredo Corleone September 26th, 2008 at 8:38 am

    I’m on Pete’s side of this issue.

    Don’t understand what Joe G is thinking here. Further, I cannot understand why Cashman and Girardi, who supposedly speak with each other several times a day, can never manage to be on the same page on these matters.

  27. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 8:38 am

    Pete I love your blog and hope you keep it up for the next 50 years or so, but seriously guy the Girardi stuff is getting old. I understand how frustrating it must be as a writer that the manager isn’t up front with you regarding injuries. I really don’t see a reason why Girardi would need to hide this now, but again I ask why is this such a huge deal? Maybe instead of the writers complaining about how much they dislike Giradi’s style, they should just bite the bullet and get used to it. Torre is gone, you guys were spoiled just like us Yankee fans were spoiled.

    Girardi will be around for at least another year so I doubt anything is going to change anytime soon. Besides as a fan we just don’t care if Girardi lies to beat reporters. Since, A, most fans are tired of the overexposed media as it is (thanks ESPN) and B, reporters haven’t exactly done the players and managers any favors in the past.

    Again I hope the blog continues and thank you for everything you’ve contributed, but can we put the Girardi complaining to a rest? Please.

  28. ellen September 26th, 2008 at 8:40 am

    Another question: if the fans on here aren’t looking for accurate information about the Yankees, why are you here? So you can read how Girardi said that “all is well?”

  29. vinny-b September 26th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    ellen,

    see StandingONeill’s post

    thank you.

  30. TurnTwo September 26th, 2008 at 8:44 am

    waswatching:cashman::lohud:girardi

  31. vinny-b September 26th, 2008 at 8:47 am

    ellen,

    here’s a clue:

    we’re not on this site, to read ‘minute by minute’ injury reports. Nor, the unabated accusations of Girardi being a ‘liar’.

    I may not speak for you and the minority. I do know, i speak for the majority.

  32. Fredo Corleone September 26th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Standing O:

    Think you’re blaming the messenger. As you argued, we can say it’s not a huge issue. That, however, ignores the fact that Girardi thought it a huge enough issue to lie about it.

  33. Jeremy September 26th, 2008 at 8:49 am

    Risking injury to Rivera is a serious problem. Second-guess Girardi all you want about that.

    But I join the apparently growing group who is fed up with these stories about Girardi “lying.” Girardi is not Bush, Obama, or McCain. He is the manager of a baseball team. He has to conceal and distort information to deal with the demands of his players and bosses and the reality that other teams are listening.

    Torre did this too. He was a master of making it seem like he was providing candid information while in truth saying nothing of substance.

    Pete of all people should understand this. Instead, he and the rest of the beat writer crowd maintain willful ignorance and acts like they are reporting on Watergate. Of course, if Pete didn’t play this off as a huge story, it would be a tacit admission that taking quotes from Girardi isn’t exactly riveting, hard-hitting journalism.

  34. YankeeDiva September 26th, 2008 at 8:55 am

    Funny my ‘clients/customers’ don’t care how difficult my work is in the background as long as get them the finished product. Nor do I think they would appreciate me COMPLAINING that someone else isn’t making my work easier to do…..why does Pete think that we want to here it. Is a ‘cranky body’ really that much different than a ‘sore shoulder’? Does it matter which is its BEFORE the results of the MRI and other test are complete? All it will do is give the media unconfirmed stories to write about.

    I’m so sick of the MEDIA (including Pete in this case) whining all the time, complaining how people won’t tell them something, won’t talk to them, cause drama (hello Pot have you met the Kettle??), whine whine whine. Suck it up and do your job (just like you expect the players to do).

    I want to know about the Yankees….not who they are sleeping with or who gets along with who; but how they prepare for the games, their thoughts about the games and how they learn/make adjustments and things they do to help the community. Not Girardi won’t tell us that Mo’s shoulder is sore….Cashman already gave you the more specific details why do you need to hear it from Girardi?

  35. ellen September 26th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    vinny: I read it. I just disagree with it. Girardi is not Torre. Got it. Girardi tells outright untruths which, as a very educated man, he knows are going to be refuted immediately by his boss. That’s the problem. He should be smarter than that. Cue Kevin Bacon in Animal House.

  36. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    “Think you’re blaming the messenger. As you argued, we can say it’s not a huge issue. That, however, ignores the fact that Girardi thought it a huge enough issue to lie about it.”

    Fredo, what I was trying to convey in my message above (keep in my I’ve been up for less than an hour so it may not be completely coherent) is that while it is an issue that Girardi and the media need to work out, as a fan I don’t care, and from the comments I’ve read neither do 95% of the fans on here. Again I know it Pete’s blog and he could tell us what type of cereal he ate this morning and how good it was, but as a fan and reader of his blog, I will tell him that I’m not interested, that’s my right.

    And you can save me the whole “well then don’t read it” line, because I have ignored the Girardi post in the past. But the last 2 1/2 post have been about Girardi being a liar. Do I really need to know that? How about telling me that Pettitte is done for the year as ESPN reported?

  37. Bobby September 26th, 2008 at 8:58 am

    Anyone notice how Pete only whines about Girardi being untruthful when another paper beats him to the punch with the real injury? Seriously, this is a non-issue. Girardi is trying to protect his players. The truth comes out in the end anyway so who cares? Other managers do this all the time: look at how the Cubs have been less than truthful about Zambrano. Only difference is that Cashman & Girardi somehow can’t get on the same page.

  38. TurnTwo September 26th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    “Cashman already gave you the more specific details why do you need to hear it from Girardi?”

    its called the ‘gotcha game.’ i guess its the reporters way of trying to make someone look like an idiot for not cooperating with the media the way those in the media want them to.

  39. Jeff September 26th, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Good to see people getting on Pete. Keep to the facts.

    By the way, some of those games Mo pitched weren’t exactly meaningless. Some of these games we were still in the race.

  40. Fredo Corleone September 26th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Satnding O:

    I more or less agree with you. In the grand scheme, it’s only baseball and we’ll probably get the actual answer sooner or later anyway. It’s not like he’s lying about why the nation should initiate a war.

    That said, if I’m a beat writer, I understand where Pete’s coming from. It’s not an issue of not offering information. Hell, Joe Torre talked to the media for years and NEVER offered information. What’s bothersome is lying about it when a simple “We don’t know yet. When we do, we’ll let you know” or something along those lines gets the job done. Further, the disconnect between Girardi’s statement and Cashman’s makes the organziation look bad.

  41. Fredo Corleone September 26th, 2008 at 9:11 am

    “By the way, some of those games Mo pitched weren’t exactly meaningless. Some of these games we were still in the race”

    They haven’t been “in the race” for a month now.

  42. YankeeDiva September 26th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    Did Girardi really lie? He said Mo has a ‘cranky body’, which he does, his shoulder is bothering him. Girardi just didn’t get into specifics. The ‘media’ is just upset because they actually have to do some work and research to get more information and sound resentful its not all handed to them in a one stop shop.

  43. YankeeDiva September 26th, 2008 at 9:17 am

    For got to add……do you really think that Pete shares the WHOLE truth with us when talking about some of the interactions he has with players? He’ll give half a comment or part of the story if it makes it more interesting and then you’ll read more else where and think now the whole thing makes sense (and vise versa sometimes you get half a story elsewhere and then read Pete’s info and get the entire picture).

  44. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    Fredo,

    I agree with what you are saying, and I do understand pete’s frustration. I was just giving my perspective as a fan of the Yankees and a fan of the blog. But I don’t know what will change Girardi, as someone stated he’s just not very good with expressing himself (ala Buster Olney’s book). That doesn’t make him a bad guy, I’ve read lots of stories from the late 90′s about how Girardi is one of the nicest guys in the world and how all of this teammates loved him. But as a manager he’s just different.

    Unfortunately part of being a manager today in baseball is handling the media. It’s not a strong point of his but as long as the team wins, nobody will bother him about it. Since the team is losing now, the media will be all over him for it.

    Also regarding the Rivera injury, its a shame but lay off Girardi on it. If Girardi didn’t play his best guys the media and fans would have been all over him for giving up when they were technically still alive. It’s a two way street on that situation. Never heard anyone question Rivera’s use befor the sore shoulder became an issue. So don’t bring it up now.

  45. Fredo Corleone September 26th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    “Did Girardi really lie? He said Mo has a ‘cranky body’, which he does, his shoulder is bothering him. Girardi just didn’t get into specifics”

    He lied. No two aways about it. Said he was going back to New York for A ROUTINE PHYSICAL. That’s a specific and it was a complete falsehood, one that his boss refuted soon after he said it.

  46. SJ44 September 26th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    how exactly should the media “get more information” if they aren’t given accurate information by the club?

    If they started digging, then some of you will complain the media “shouldn’t be digging so much” into the Yankees business.

    Pete and the beat writers aren’t the enemy here.

  47. TurnTwo September 26th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    “He lied. No two aways about it.”

    but does anyone really care? thats my point. its not like we havent gotten this type of misleading info about injuries by players from Girardi in the past.

    so when it comes down to a potential injury, why bother going to Girardi for info because you know you arent going to get anything? go right to Cashman. end of story.

    then we dont have to bother with this “the reporters are just whining” nonsense and be able to just talk about the team and what people really care about.

  48. trisha - but what do I know September 26th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    “It is Girardi’s job to be a source of accurate information to Yankee fans.”

    I have a feeling that if you read his contract there is nothing in there about being a source of accurate information to Yankee fans.

    It’s Girardi’s job to manage the Yankees. Period. It’s unfortunate that it’s gotten to the point that the press has as much access as they do. Better that PR departments hand them notes and they sit and cover games in their little press box. That’s about as much information to which I feel I am entitiled. If the Yankees want to give me more, all well and good.

    And guess what? If Girardi ever wants to “lie” I am going to trust he has a good reason for it (though I too listened to the press conference and heard nothing more than a bunch of whiney little girls pounding Girardi because he wasn’t capitulating to their version of events.

    I don’t come here for up-to-the-minute reports on the Yankees and I am not sitting with bated breath waiting to put the latest in my diary. At some point I’ll hear about Mo. In the meantime my life goes on since I am not a blood relative and therefore really don’t need to be altering my life in any way based on this “critical information.”

    Actually I think Girardi kept his cool pretty nicely. I would have told them to kiss a part of my anatomy and gotten up and walked out, a la Pete’s hero Belichick.

    ONGOING TEMPEST IN A TEAPOT.

    You’d think they were waiting to break a story about North Korea getting ready to obliterate the world the way they’ve gone on an on about this!

  49. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    “how exactly should the media “get more information” if they aren’t given accurate information by the club?”

    Well I think the media did find a way to get more information by calling Brian Cashman. Now you can say that shouldn’t be necessary as Girardi should be able to answer that question truthly for them, and I’d agree. I have absolutely no idea why Girardi held back information, I’m not in the clubhouse.

    But when did the NY tabloids become middle schoolers again? Does 5+ different writers calling Giradi a liar in their papers make them feel better? Did they get even? Do the fans care and what Giradi fired now? no

  50. SJ44 September 26th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    this will change next year. Either a new GM, who will have no loyalty to him since he didn’t hire him, will lay the law down to him or Cash (if he is back) will.

    Cash knows where this is going and realizes this won’t end well.

    I thought this issue was resolved since things were better the last month. Apparently, it’s not.

  51. TurnTwo September 26th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    “But when did the NY tabloids become middle schoolers again? Does 5+ different writers calling Giradi a liar in their papers make them feel better? Did they get even? Do the fans care and what Giradi fired now? no”

    exactly.

  52. MUDDYWATERS September 26th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Girardi might just be showing the real reason he was fired from his last job.

    Hiding the extent of injuries that the players have, when it becomes clear very early on that it is serious, does nothing to help the team. Downplaying injuries is one thing, outright lying is another.

    Girardi lost the clubhouse, he lost respect from the beat reporters, yet many people here are ragging on Peter for calling it what it is.

    There is a right way to hold back information that doesn’t make you out to be a liar. Then there is Girardi’s way.

    If you are a player, how much do you respect Girardi for lying about injuries? It seems not very much because they end up telling the media at least a portion of the truth. How do you know trust him to be honest with anyone if he lies about things such as this which can be checked so easily?

    Had he said they are being careful, he complained about soreness and we wanted to do all we could to make sure Mo is fine, guess what, it becomes a non-issue.

    What does lying do for the team? Lets say Mo is not pitching any more this season. Does it change in game strategy to know a day or two prior that Mo isn’t pitching? This isn’t football where different players are going to change the offense/ defense of the opposition.

    I wasn’t happy with Girardi’s selection as manager, I am even more disgusted as we’ve seen him everyday. Maybe next year will be different, but he needs to stop the outright lies.

  53. Waaaaa! Waaaa! September 26th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    More crying from the pampered NY media. Memo to PeteAbe and his cohorts…no one cares about how difficult it is to do your relatively easy jobs. Girardi has no obligation to make your lives easier. If he wants to play it close to the vest, then I am all for it. There is no benefit in knowing Mos status sooner than the Yankees are ready to announce. Deal with. I haven’t been happy with Girardi’s managing all season, but his ability to make the media kick and scream like 2-year olds has been a real redeeming quality.

  54. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    SJ I agree with you, but other than more of these little battles between Girardi and Cashman, how will it not end well? As I said and as Trisha pointed out above, all Girardi and the fans care about is what happens on the field. The media may hate his guts but if he’s winning he can tell them to kiss off. And if he’s losing he’ll be fired, its that simple.

    This little fued between the media and Girardi is high school stuff, which is annoying for us to read about.

  55. sunny615 September 26th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    I’m with Pete on this – If Girardi is going to lie, at least get Cashman on board with it so you don’t look like a total ass. If Girardi wants to keep team injuries under wraps, then get the whole top office on board with your plan. Don’t go around spouting crap that is going to get refuted in two minutes. The whole point is the media shouldn’t HAVE to go to Cashman to get the real truth. They should feel that Girardi gave them all the info they needed and all Cashman should have to say is “talk to the manager” or “the manager said it all” – if the press feels that the manager is being disengenuous then why would they believe ANYTHING he says about anything. Part of the job is dealing with the media that covers the team.

    Look – I don’t have a problem with Girardi or his methods – but if you’re going to do it – get on the same page with your boss and have a united front. Otherwise all he’s doing is blowing smoke and it does nothing for anyone.

  56. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    “Girardi lost the clubhouse”

    Care to back this claim up with any facts?

  57. Fredo Corleone September 26th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    “If Girardi ever wants to “lie” I am going to trust he has a good reason for it”

    What on earth has he done to earn that sort of trust?

  58. pat September 26th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    “Pete and the beat writers aren’t the enemy here.”

    I’m not sure you’d get unanimous agreement on that in most clubhouses and front offices with how players and personnel have sometimes been portrayed in the press.

  59. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    So….how bout them Twins huh? lol

  60. SJ44 September 26th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    Trisha,

    Actually, his contract does contain clauses outlining his media responsibilities as manager. It’s on every managers contract.

    Better to not comment on this since you have no idea about what responsibilities goes into the job. It’s more than just cheerleading.

    You think Cashman wants to be the spokesman on this stuff? Of course he doesn’t.

    “we sent Mo for an Mri. He’s a little beat up and we want to make sure he’s ok”.

    That’s all he had to say to avoid this stuff.

    Why lie? Does he think Cash is going to lie for him. He’s not and he didn’t.

    Totally avoidable if he just uses common sense.

  61. MUDDYWATERS September 26th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    “so when it comes down to a potential injury, why bother going to Girardi for info because you know you arent going to get anything? go right to Cashman. end of story.”

    Maybe this is the underlying problem with the whole team this year. If its known by the media and the players that they can’t trust what Girardi says, that undermines Girardi as manager.

    Its not Cashman’s job to have to answer these questions. His part is how to deal with what these injuries mean.

    End of story? Yeah, the end result is that he has not had a consistent team on the field, he has not earned the trust of the players, and that does affect us as fans because we get to watch the end results in the poorly played games.

  62. Bobby September 26th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Read the story from the Post. Mo said he didn’t want the story to get out. Girardi was trying to honor his wish. Whether Cashman knew this or not, who knows? But the fact is Girardi was doing what he thought was right and protecting his player & friend. I can’t fault him for respecting the wishes of one of his players. The real issue here is why Cashman & Girardi can’t get on the same page.

    And I understand the media has a job to do but what bothers me is how Pete revolves his story about Girardi and focuses all his energy into whining about it. He doesn’t write one thing about Brett Gardner getting 3 hits off of the best pitcher in the AL. Nothing about Cervelli’s first big league start. At the end of the season when injuries are meaningless, you would think these things could be at least be mentioned.

  63. Fredo Corleone September 26th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Standing O:

    Good for the Twins. My hopes of a play in game or 2 are a near lock. Could get interesting if the Twins and White Sox are separated by a half game after Sunday. That could lead to the White Sox playing a make up game on Monday and a play-in game on Tuesday.

  64. vinny-b September 26th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    muddywaters: Girardi lost the clubhouse?

    please explain.

  65. george September 26th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Peter Abraham has a credibility problem with me. this is a good blog overall, but whenever you comment on certain topics, such as Girardi, i take that as seriously as i take George Bush’s periodic distortions on Iraq.

    comments like this is why you’ve harmed your credibility:

    “Why in the world was Rivera pitching four out of five days in the first place in such meaningless games?”

    you ever hear of the 1964 Phillies? they lost a 6.5 lead in a week – to 2 teams, the Cards and Reds! if the Cards declared that week’s games “meaningless” & weren’t all in, Gene Mauch may have been a happier man.

  66. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:39 am

    “Better to not comment on this since you have no idea about what responsibilities goes into the job. It’s more than just cheerleading.”

    SJ unless you have the actual contract sitting in front of you now its best that you not comment on what it may or may not say.

  67. MUDDYWATERS September 26th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    September 26th, 2008 at 9:31 am
    “Girardi lost the clubhouse”

    Care to back this claim up with any facts?”

    Have you seen the way they played this year? Have you heard the players themselves tell about their injuries outright? You don’t do that if you respect the manager. Players were told “Girardi said this”… they don’t back him up, they say something opposite of what Girardi says. That speaks volumes about where the clubhouse is.

  68. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Fredo,

    Man I’d love to see the Tribe beat down the Sox and then have Wedge turn to Ozzie and do the choke sign that Ozzie did to him a few years back, lol

  69. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Muddywaters….you are reaching bro.

  70. Dan September 26th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Only a fool could conclude that Girardi wasn’t lying. Not only does he have a history of being dishonest in giving the media information about injuries (anyone want to tell me that letting people know if Brian Bruney would be out a week or three months is giving too much information to your opponent?) but his story is ludicrous on its face.

    A “cranky body” means go, have your end of the year physical now?

    When is the last time anyone left the club early to have the end of the year physical? Anywhere?

    All Girardi needs to do is get on the same page with Cashman. What did Cashman say? A little soreness in his shoulder, since we’re out of the race now we say no reason not to get it checked out now instead of later. Not a major concern, he’d probably be available if the games still mattered.

    That’s all Girardi needs to say, and its not giving away state secrets. Instead he lies, which leads the beat reporters to call Cashman, and Cashman gives them info that shows that Girardi lied.

    If you wanna call the reporters Woodward and Bernstein, well that’s pretty accurate, since you’ve got a manager with a similar relationship to truth-telling as Richard Nixon!

  71. TurnTwo September 26th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    “Have you seen the way they played this year? Have you heard the players themselves tell about their injuries outright? You don’t do that if you respect the manager. Players were told “Girardi said this”… they don’t back him up, they say something opposite of what Girardi says. That speaks volumes about where the clubhouse is.”

    just so you know, there isnt any actual fact in this response. just more generalizations.

  72. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    “Read the story from the Post. Mo said he didn’t want the story to get out. Girardi was trying to honor his wish.”

    Well if this is true I guess we do have a reason for Giradi lying…this time. So maybe he hasn’t lost the clubhouse.

  73. Miggs (All in for Moose's quest for 20) September 26th, 2008 at 9:44 am

    This Girardi nonsense is complete crap. If you listen to the audio of the postgame its absurd how many times the reporters ask Girardi basically the same question over and over again. I’d get annoyed too if I was asked the same question 25 times in a row.

    Some basic facts:

    1) Stop with the suggestions that Girardi overworked Mo. The team wasn’t eliminated yet and I doubt anyone knew of Mo’s shoulder or he wouldn’t have pitched. Girardi isn’t a mind reader. Plus, how many arms did Torre abuse in his years here? Give me a break.

    2) Its painfully obvious that Mo didn’t want any news of his shoulder getting out. This fact was inexplicably overlooked by Pete, but reported by many of the other media outlets. If Mo tells Girardi his body is cranky then that’s what Girardi should say. Why alienate your closer to satisfy the freaking media? Maybe Mo wasn’t specific with Girardi but was with Cashman. Who kows for sure?

    3) This is another instance of an injury being reported to be much more serious than it is. Even Cashman said Mo should be available this weekend unless something comes up on the test. So why is it such a big story? If they were still in the race, Mo wouldn’t have even had the test done. This is such petty garbage.

    4) The reporters grilled Girardi right after the game when he most likely hadn’t talked to Cash yet. Is Girardi supposed to have a Blackberry in the dugout? Should he be texting Cashman between innings to get updates on players not even in uniform just so he has the right answer for the media? The guy just got off the field, the game just ended, and its like the media wants Girardi to pass out copies of the MRI and go over the results with them.

    5) If you actually read the articles linked, you will find that the Girardi/Cashman conflicting information was merely a sidenote in most of the columns. Girardi and Cash reported different things. “Cranky body”. “Sore shoulder.” Only reporters with an axe to grind make it the centerpiece of their story. Christ, even ESPN didn’t make it an issue.

  74. SJ44 September 26th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    the Yankees don’t want this. They really don’t.

    Hal and Cash have talked about this with him when more of the same went down earlier in the season. That’s why I thought this problem was solved.

    My take? He panicked because he realized this is about the most important player to the franchise and fell back to old habits. A relapse, if you will. LOL

    Pat,

    If you conducted a player poll right now of who is more popular, Pete, Kepner, Feinsand, and Girardi, Joe would come in fourth in that poll.

    He has some work to do in the off-season mending the relationships with his team.

    I think he will ok but, it’s been a rougher transition than I thought possible.

  75. vinny-b September 26th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    “Have you seen the way they played this year? Have you heard the players themselves tell about their injuries outright? You don’t do that if you respect the manager. Players were told “Girardi said this”… they don’t back him up, they say something opposite of what Girardi says. That speaks volumes about where the clubhouse is”

    thank you, for not backing up your claim.

  76. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    “If you conducted a player poll right now of who is more popular, Pete, Kepner, Feinsand, and Girardi, Joe would come in fourth in that poll.”

    Care to share some of your inside information with us?

  77. joe "moses" torre September 26th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    uh oh! pete a. has really stepped into a big steaming pile this time :)

  78. SJ44 September 26th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Standing O’Neill,

    I’m in the business. I know what’s in the Standard Player/Manager contracts.

    This is not exactly breaking news.

    In every player and manager’s contract there is a clause outlining their media responsibilities.

  79. MUDDYWATERS September 26th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    vinny-b, how about you backing up the opposite viewpoint that he hasn’t lost the club? Show where the team backs him up, show where the players are on the same page as he is. Show anything that proves they are with him.

    Nah, just ignore the signs of problems with this club for the whole year and keep telling yourself they still have a chance for the postseason. It apparently makes you feel better.

  80. 86w183 September 26th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Many of you are missing the point. For someone in a high profile job to make a habit of lying is incredibly counter productive. If the guy is going to lie about injuries, then he might lie about game strategy. He might lie about who was and was not in the lineup and why. If he’s lying to the media maybe his players, coaches and bosses will start doubting his word and then he’s toast.

    Girardi does his team a disservice because if he is not a credible source of info then the media has to pester the GM, co-owners, players, agents, families and friends to try and find out the truth. Now that occasionally happens anyway, but it’ll happen all the time when the manager can not be believed or trusted.

    Of course this isn’t about nuclear secrets. It’s about the need to be honest and credible. Witholding information does not harm your credibility. Outright lies do. Girardi needs to learn that. So do some of you.

  81. vinny-b September 26th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    “SJ44
    September 26th, 2008 at 9:45 am
    If you conducted a player poll right now of who is more popular, Pete, Kepner, Feinsand, and Girardi, Joe would come in fourth in that poll.”

    very curious statement. Will be right back, the ‘BS indicator’ is going off.

  82. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:55 am

    SJ

    Can I ask, are you an agent, media personality, towel boy? I’m just wondering because I’ve heard you state that in the past, and I don’t mean to pry since it is your business, but if you are going to tell us that Girardi isn’t popular with his players, I think we have a right to know where that source of information is at least coming from.

  83. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    “Nah, just ignore the signs of problems with this club for the whole year and keep telling yourself they still have a chance for the postseason. It apparently makes you feel better.”

    Just because a team isn’t playing well doesn’t mean a manager has lost the clubhouse. That’s not a sure warning sign of mutiny. It just means that players have gotten old and key players have either been injured or underachieved. No need to read to read anymore into it.

  84. Waaaaa! Waaaa! September 26th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    SJ44…it’s pretty impressive that Hal and Cashman invited you into those meeting with Girardi. As much as you are trying to come off as an authority here, you are really only looking like a PeteAbe apologist. Maybe you can buy a box of Kleenex and wipe Pete’s blubbering eyes.

  85. vinny-b September 26th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    “StandingO’Neill
    September 26th, 2008 at 9:55 am
    SJ: Can I ask, are you an agent, media personality, towel boy? I’m just wondering because I’ve heard you state that in the past, and I don’t mean to pry since it is your business, but if you are going to tell us that Girardi isn’t popular with his players, I think we have a right to know where that source of information is at least coming from”

    exactly. I was set to post the same. Have followed SJ44′s posts, the entire season. However, a red flag just went up.

  86. Jeremy September 26th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    SJ44,

    “the Yankees don’t want this. They really don’t.”

    They don’t want Rivera to be hurt, let alone seriously hurt.

    This BS about whether Girardi lied is not in their top 100 problems right now.

    We see garbage like “Girardi lost the players’ confidence” in the comments because Pete provokes it. This blog is great in many ways, but it is terrible as journalism (if it is even supposed to be journalism). Pete often posts innuendo and unsubstantiated personal opinions among actual news updates about the team. When people call him out, he says “Lighten up” or “I love it when people don’t realize I’m teasing them.” Pete, people don’t realize that because you treat this blog both like a newspaper and an uncredentialied fan’s blog and it can be hard to tell what mode you’re in at any particular time. Either provide facts to back up your accusations, make it perfectly clear when you are reporting and when you are offering opinion, or remove any pretense of this blog being an arm of a newspaper.

  87. SJ44 September 26th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    not a “towel boy”.

    Since you want to be srcastic, I will say you don’t the “right” to know anything.

    Since I’ve given my background numerous times on here, I’m not going to bore people by doing it again.

    Be enterprising and you can find the info you want in previous blog entries.

    Vinny,,

    It’s not BS. You may not believe it, which is ok by me.

    Joe is not popular with a lot of the guys in that locker room.

    Like I said, I think he will be ok but, he has work to do in that area.

  88. TurnTwo September 26th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    “It’s about the need to be honest and credible. Witholding information does not harm your credibility.”

    but giving out information when a player asks you not to also damages one’s credibility.

    if its true that Mo asked Girardi to keep his barking shoulder under the radar, then he hardly did the wrong thing here.

  89. Tucson Ken September 26th, 2008 at 10:06 am

    I liked the hiring of Girardi, but his actions all season with respect to his “spinning” (to be kind) of injuries has become beyond ludicrous. For a very smart man like him not to get that by constantly getting caught in “misinforming” the reporters, and thereby harming their credibility, he is ensuring they will always dig deeper with respect to every injury situation & ferret out the truth, & rightly so for our sakes. He, & by extension, the Yankee organization, loses in the long run.

    Whatever tactical advantage Girardi thinks he’s gaining by trying to mislead,especially since he’s caught every time,
    pales in comparison to the ill will he generates with the Beat writers, & we, the fans. He looks childish & petulant.

    He needs to apologize to the press and cease his pointless misinformation policy & try & rebuild trust with the media. Cashman & Co. should insist upon it & punish future transgressions. People here who are criticizing the writers as being “petty” are misguided & refuse to see the big picture.

    When lied to constantly, the Beat writers have every right to be be annoyed about it & an obligation to dig deeper.
    Girardi does not have to have a Torre-like lovefest with press, but he should either be truthful or SILENT.

  90. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 10:06 am

    Yeah your right I was being sarcastic, so if that means I lost my right to know then you’ll have to excuse me I’m going to go sit in the corner and cry for a few minutes.

  91. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    “Since you want to be srcastic, I will say you don’t the “right” to know anything.”

    Actually I should have stolen a line from Pete and said, “I love it when people don’t realize I’m teasing them.”

  92. El Maestro September 26th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    This Girardi obsession is going too far now…

  93. Jeremy September 26th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    “For someone in a high profile job to make a habit of lying is incredibly counter productive.”

    Every manager distorts the truth when asked about his players. What you are upset about is that Girardi’s is not sufficiently diplomatic to fool you into thinking he is telling the truth. Don’t worry, he will learn.

  94. pat September 26th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    “Joe is not popular with a lot of the guys in that locker room.”

    The media would say that statement is less than forthcoming and not giving us the full story. We have a job as blog readers to get all the facts in as quick a manner as possible and share them with people not lucky enough to have a first hand connection to the blog.

  95. saucY September 26th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    just a thought, but maybe Cash or someone has been telling Girardi “don’t say anything until we know for sure”…

    i know it must be frustrating to be in the position you are in Pete, but you should be getting used to it by now, i would think. maybe you should just go directly to cashman or the players for now on, and leave the questions about strategic moves and the actual game directed towards Girardi.

    instead, you are looking like you’re waiting around for an opportunity to hammer Girardi. which isn’t fun for us to read and looks like you’re just getting more aggrevated yourself. i read about it in a post before i went to bed, and now i’m reading it again in the morning blog post.

  96. 86w183 September 26th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    Jeremy—

    I’m not the least bit upset. But I have a lot of media experience and the difference between not offering information and lying about it is very different. I have also worked with people who witheld information and with people who lied regularly. I couldn’t stand being in the same room with the chronic liars and I’m concerned that could end up being Girardi’s downfall.

    the bottom line is a manager has to have people knowing and trusting in his word. When people start wondering if your every utterance is a lie you have major problems.

  97. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    “I couldn’t stand being in the same room with the chronic liars and I’m concerned that could end up being Girardi’s downfall.”

    The only thing that will lead to Girardi’s downfall is if the yankees miss the playoffs next year, period.

  98. David September 26th, 2008 at 10:27 am

    Pete, I love your blog, but you and other sports reporters are suffering from Woodward-Bernstein-itis. You’re acting like you’re covering Watergate and treating Joe Girardi as if he were Richard Nixon. It’s not pretty.

  99. Kill-Schill(ing) September 26th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    YEAH, what I want to know is,

    1) What did the manager know?

    2) And when did he know it?

    Why did Girardi utter the word “cranky” more than five times during that interview? “Cranky” and “crook” share three letter in common.

    Subtext: Girardi wanted us to know, “I’m not a crook.”

  100. Tom Gaffney September 26th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Have to echo the other comments, Pete. I loooove the site, but this stuff is annoying, boring and always comes across as personal and petty by you and the media, not objective. I’m not saying that to be nasty, I’m just giving you honest feedback. Like in any job, when employees get together and start complaining about a certain inside aspect of the job – it’s interesting and important to you guys but not to anyone else. Love the site, but I hate it when you do these pieces.

  101. searay September 26th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Now you think Joe Giradi has a problem with his credibility? I don’t think so. And he’s not as popular in the locker room with his players as he could be? Wow.

  102. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! September 26th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    “Read the story from the Post. Mo said he didn’t want the story to get out. Girardi was trying to honor his wish.”

    More than enough said. Again, the press should concentrate on accurately reporting how plays were made in the field. Beyond that they’re annoying. They should be given information from the PR Department when something of note happens. Other than that, they’re merely the equivalent of tape recorders to me. In other words, I simply don’t care about their tale of woes.

    “If you conducted a player poll right now of who is more popular, Pete, Kepner, Feinsand, and Girardi, Joe would come in fourth in that poll.”

    :lol:

    I just love some of the ridiculous SUPPOSITION being thrown out here in the name of fact.

    I should have been born in the Show Me state because I don’t believe any of this supposed inside information.

    pat – the Pete apologists are merely trying to whip everyone into a frenzy because they have been unsuccessful with their campaign to have us call for Girardi’s head because Girardi didn’t give the press what they thought was out their. So now that we haven’t imbibed their kool aid about Girardi being a liar, we should instead buy into just how bad Girardi really is since he has “lost the clubhouse” (why? because I said so!) and “isn’t popular with the players” (why? because I said so!)

    Actually all of this has made me love Girardi even more. I hope he continues to wave them away like gnats every time they start to do their drama queen stuff with him.

    The guy just saw his team eliminated from the postseason and had his closer go for an MRI and ask to have that information protected. He has bigger fish to fry than worrying about being the star of Dancing with the Harpies, proudly led by Pete.

  103. StandingO'Neill September 26th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    I could be wrong, but I don’t think Trisha’s a big fan of the media, lol. Nicely said.

  104. Mike R September 26th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    The more he lies to the press, and the more credibility he loses with the press, the less media he has to deal with. Sounds like a win-win situation for Girardi.

    The world’s smallest violin is already busy playing a song for a different reporter that was “lied to”, so Pete get’s no sympathy here.

    Personally, I couldn’t care less if I don’t have the breaking story about Mo going for an MRI. There was no REAL news until he got the results, so whats the point invoking the shit storm of press until there is real news to report.

    Maybe if the rest of the players on the team lied to the press more often, the press would spend less time trying to pull info out of them. I’m sure that would be a helpful distraction to get rid of.

  105. Mike R September 26th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Somebody call the whaaaaaaaaaaaambulance, I think Pete needs a tissue.

  106. BBFan September 26th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    “If you conducted a player poll right now of who is more popular, Pete, Kepner, Feinsand, and Girardi, Joe would come in fourth in that poll.”

    You are really streatching it.
    Other than people coming here, no one really knows Pete. He works for a small regional news paper.

  107. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! September 26th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    “I could be wrong, but I don’t think Trisha’s a big fan of the media, lol”

    :)

  108. Al Neri September 26th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Yankees 4ever: So now, we are criticizing a team for what they would have done IF THEY DIDNT do something?

    OK… Where would the yankees be if they never traded for Paul O’Neil?! Where would these jokers be if they draft Derek Jeter!?

  109. Al Neri September 26th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Hey Trisha, if only you were a Mets fan….
    “That September Collapse made me love Willie ever more! It isn’t Willie’s fault that his bullpen is a mess and his players cant hit! So what if they made the playoffs! Its not like Bobby Valentine could have done any better with that team. Its some kind of media conspiracy!”

    Ok kidding aside, you are really letting this anti-girardi thing get to your head. Who cares if Pete ‘hates’ or has a bias against the man? Lets face it, Joe’s not the nicest guy to deal with. Don’t get stressed out over a BLOG. If Pete had his own radio program or TV show, I can relate. But comon! I really don’t think Girardi is hand writing a thank you note for sticking up to him. He has pretty thick skin.

  110. Brandon (We'll miss you Yankees Stadium !)..."Keep Manny away !" September 26th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    O’neil was the staple to that team w/o him Bernie, Tino and Mo there is no dynasty. Jeter or no Jeter.

  111. Al Neri September 26th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    *didn’t draft…but w/e

  112. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! September 26th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Al Neri – actually I’m loving watch the press spin out of control. What a bunch of Nancys.

    I bet Joe is a real nice guy to deal with. I watch his postgame press conferences every game. Do you? I hope he gets in their faces when they try to play big man on campus.

    GO JOE GIRARDI!

    :)

  113. Irabu's Son September 26th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    I could care less about the Girardi stuff. Here’s my beef with this post:

    Pete said that the games Rivera pitched were meaningless. None of the games were meaningless until they got eliminated. If Marte or someone else was closing the games, Pete would have berated Girardi for not pitching Mo in BIG GAMES!

  114. The Reviosionist September 26th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    “Girardi lost the clubhouse”

    Too bad about half players on the team weren’t in it.

  115. ZMAN7777 September 26th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    The problem as I see it is that Pete’s comments seem to be personally biased. Also, is it possible that they’re desperately searching for material during what Marv Albert would call the season’s “gar-bage time”?

    I have no issue whatsoever with Girardi’s handling of the matter.

  116. Haminator September 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Peter,
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    During his press conferences. Torre basically said nothing. He repeated :”No, question” , “He battled” or “you have to tip your cap”a thousand times. When Felix Heredia blew a game, he said: “He had good stuff”. The media needs to realize that managers and players do not need to genuflect in their presence. If you check the YES website, most fans consider Cashman the real culprit and the media’s questions last night piranha-like.

  117. brian September 26th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    I’m with you pete. Girardi showing why he only lasted one season in Florida.

  118. Barry September 26th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    George King in the post is reporting things a little differently than Pete is.

    “It was clear that GM Brian Cashman and manager Joe Girardi received different information from Rivera.”

    “According to a person with knowledge of the situation, Rivera didn’t want the news to get out.”

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09.....130882.htm

    Sounds like not only was Girardi being honest, but he was also just trying to protect his player at Mo’s behest.

    Pete, your silly vendetta against Girardi is degrading your reporting – you’re now making things up in order to prove your point. This is going to backfire at some point.

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    Honestly, pete, you sound like a broken record and a spoiled child with this subject.

  120. James September 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Meanwhile francesa on wfan is not jumping to conclusions to bash Girardi either, saying he believes that Girardi was left out of the loop (a bit embarrassing itself though). It’s funny how certain people can do nothing right (Girardi) and others can do no wrong (Giambi).

  121. Barry September 26th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    I wonder if Pete will retract anything he’s written? Or will this be along the lines of his proclamations about all the vets fleeing the team once Torre walked out the door?

  122. Summer September 26th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    This is great: “Girardi said he wasn’t hiding information. But Rivera needs surgery, writes The New York Post”

    Now, to the best of my knowledge, nothing has come back on the MRI yet that’s been relayed to the press. This article says Rivera told “his friends” that he needs surgery. And you cite it in a post whining about conflicting information? Real credible.

    Your posts from now on should just say “Waaaaaahhhhhhhh waaaahhhh I HATE Girardi! Waaahhhhhhh wahhhhhhh I want Joe Torre back!!”

  123. Adam September 26th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    I’m now almost 100% sure that Girardi is purposely lying just to screw with the media, and I absolutely love it. Awesome.

    By the way, the Yankees were still mathematically alive when Rivera pitched consecutive days. Plus, I’m sure it’s easy to tell Mo “we’re not making the playoffs, so we’re not using you anymore for the rest of the season,” right? This guy is a competitor who always wants the ball. Give me a break…

  124. Housecleaner September 26th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Although Girardi gets a pass on this incident, he still must learn how to stonewall without it looking like he is stonewalling. Torre was a master at this art. Girardi must also learn that what plays in Peoria does not quite pass muster in New York. It’s “on the job” training, unfortunately, for Joe II.

  125. Housecleaner September 26th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Girardi must also learn not to blindly defend his players. Aside from the public’s capacity to discern fact from fiction, Joe fosters in the player’s mind (the immature ones and that goes for the majority of this group) that they can get away with almost anything. It took Cano almost the entire season to realize (presumably) the error of his ways. Brother Melky, though, did not….not that it really matters since he will be gone, as he never really had the skill sets to play regularly anyway. Overrriding, of course, is the notion that by pursuing this path of action, Girardi lost the respect of a great many of his players. Hopefully, it is not too late to change course and recapture control. I should add that I have supported Girardi, and did believe that he would be a manager following the Martin—Piniella footprints, which, in my opinion, the Yankees would be best served. Again, perhaps it is not too late.

  126. Housecleaner September 26th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    I very rarely pay any attention to the Mets but did watch the last few innings of the loss the other night when they failed to bring in the runner on third in, which would have won a most crtical game. Jerry Manuel was very direct; he did not say, well it’s one game, we did not play well, but tomorrow’s another day”. No, he said bluntly, truthfully and directly, “the players did not execute”…it’s their responsibility to do so. He criticized Church for not performing, stating, he has to step up!!! It’s good to see a manager laying direct responsibility where it belongs and not masking poor performance. Joe G. should learn from this (not that I am a Jerry M. fan but I do agree with his approach in this instance) and tell it like it is.

  127. Housecleaner September 26th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    If Arod fails to come through in the clutch, tell it like it is….he’s got to perform, that’s why he is paid 27–30 mil per year. Don’t tell us he’s come through in the clutch all of his career. Joe must learn that he is no longer in Peoria, and not insult our intelligence with nonsense.

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