Matchups set for tomorrow; rookies hazed
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 27, 2008 
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Mussina-Matsuzaka in Game 1
Ponson-Wakefield in Game 2
Meanwhile, the Yankees finally got around to hazing their rookies today. The went with The Village People as the theme. The cast of characters:
Alfredo Aceves as the Indian
Brett Gardner as the Construction Guy
Juan Miranda as the Policeman
Francisco Cervelli as the Biker
Humberto Sanchez as the Naval Officer
Dave Robertson as the Cowboy
They ran out of out of outfits for Phil Coke. The rookie were paraded down the concourse out to the bus. They’ll then have to walk part of the way back to the hotel and go out to dinner in the outfits.
As hazing goes, it was pretty tame. None of the outfits were particularly embarrassing.
No photos yet. It was too dark and rainy on the concourse.
UPDATE, 9:59 p.m.: There you go, AP snapped a shot.
haha, the Village People? I hope they make them sing YMCA in the restaurant.
Last year’s hazing was funnier, but then…last year was different.
Well, Dice-k is SO overdue for a loss.
Maybe if Moose doesn’t get the win in the 1st game..they can bring him in for an ining to get a win in the 2nd game!
Can’t wait to see some pics from the hazing.
Phil Coke didn’t get hazed ! LOL oh man Humberto in the Navel police’s man’s uni..EWWWWWWWW…I’m going to look for pics.
“They’ll then have to walk part of the way back to the hotel and go out to dinner in the outfits.”
Isn’t it bad enough that they have to go out for dinner in Boston?
Yankees.com was wrong I guess.
That second game may go until after midnight with those two on the mound. lol
Bob–imagine that second game with a rain delay…
I think it’s kind of mean to have Alfredo dress up as the chief. Coke should’ve done that and Alfredo could’ve been Zorro.
“They’ll then have to walk part of the way back to the hotel and go out to dinner in the outfits.â€
Isn’t it bad enough that they have to go out for dinner in Boston?
I was gonna say, it’s Boston, will anyone notice anything different seeing them dressed like that?
LOL
Bad day for Cashman
Santanta- CGSO
Ted Lilly working on a no-no.
hope he comes back, lets keep our players!
Cashman can sleep easier. No no-no.
No hitter gone.
Let’s get rid of the shutout now.
tough break for mussina. he sure is going to have to work to get #20. hopefully the offense helps him out..
with a better outfield the cubs Lilly might still have his no no. I just got back from the Santana game.
No hitter gone.
Let’s get rid of the shutout now.
Ok, now let’s make sure he doesn’t get the win.
At least Sheets just got cheaper today..
I don’t want Sheets. Way shady injury history and he’s only pitched in the NL.
Isn’t it bad enough that they have to go out for dinner in Boston?
What?!?
The fans are imbeciles but there are some fantastic restaurants in that city and beyond.
Jeez!
Funny line about having to go out to dinner in Boston.
But agreed, the costumes were pretty tame. Last years was great!!
LOL The Village People
Need to see pictures
whats the preference order for FA pitchers to you guys:
CC
Burnett
Sheets/Perez?
or is sheets before burnett…mine is how i posted..i dont really want anything to do with sheets or perez but it is what it is…
I had amazing food in Boston
Is the second game gonna be on ESPN?
I had amazing food in Boston
I once purposely travelled all the way there just to have lobster. lol =)
Twins are starting to feel it a bit.
Duke, no ESPN game tomorrow night as I understand it.
is anyone watching the Brewers game? it’s getting crazy..
Brew Crew makin it interestin
Phillies three out from NL East
Brewers/Cubbies game real interesting right now
Now 4-3 Cubbies. I just collectively heard a bunch of Met fans cursing.
4-3 now
oh wow
I was thinking why the hell did Fielder swung at the first pitch, but at least it paid off.
Oy, JJ, you’re breaking my heart.
Cubs Win!
Theeeeeeeee Cubs Win!
4-3 top 9 cubbies.
Since when does a game end in the 8th inning?
Brad Lidge – 2 on 1 out top 9.
4-3.
Lidge is trying to blow it. :angry:
Oy, Lidge, now would be a really bad time for your first blown save of the year
Oy, I’m wrong.
I mean, it was 4-2, now it’s 4-3, 2 on, 1 out, 0-2 to Guzman.
Bases loaded for Nationals.
Wait, I’m right!
Cubs Win!!!!!!!!
bases loaded one out! Now 6-3 Cubbies
Almost a wild pitch by Lidge!
HEY CONGRATULATIONS PHILADELPHIA!
Phillies win.
DP – good play for Rollins, lucky for Lidge.
Phillies win!! Mets lose the division two years in a row!!!
Phillies clinched the NL east.
What a play by Rollins!
Congrats to the Phillies with back to back division crowns.
Okay so if the Mets win the Wild card who do they face? The Cubbies?
So matchups would be?
Phillies-Dodgers? GO PHILLY!!!!!
Brewers/Mets-Cubbies?
Can you believe they’re talking about LIdge and KRod for MVPs. NOOOOOO! If Mariano has never gotten one, these two bozos certainly don’t deserve one!!!!!
jennifer: Either
Phillies-Dodgers/Mets-Cubs
Or
Phillies-Cubs
Brewers-Dodgers
Teams from the same division can’t play each other in the first round.
Why doesn’t Mussina go up against Wakefield instead of Dice-BB? Probably a better matchup since the Yankees have seen Wakefield more.
Patrick, because of the weather forecast they might not be able to play both games.
is it bad to wish Wood would blow this game so the Brewers wins and cut down the magic number?
7-3 cubbies
Brewers are collapsing. I think Met fans need to send the Brewers GM a fruit basket.
Who is pitching tomorrow for the Mets? I know the Marlins would like nothing better than to send the Mets home two years in a row. But the Brewers must come back and win today!
For someone who’s unfamilar with the current standings, what’s the Mets’ playoff prospect like?
if the brew crew losses tomorrow is goin to be very interesting
both the brewers and the mets have to do or die
i say the mets loose it, and the brew crew wins the wildcard!
jennifer:
oliver perez is pitching
Perez tomorrow for the Mets.
Mets W, Brewers W – tie
Mets L, Brewers L -tie
Mets L – Brewers W – Brewers
Mets W – Brewers L – Mets
Was it Brigadoon where the town appeared every 100 years?
Who is pitching tomorrow for the Brewers?
The Cubs could be like the mythical town of Brigadoon.
CC is pitching for the Brewers tomorrow on 3 days’ rest.
SA: Best guess CC. Again.
It’s definitely CC. He was charting the pitches.
Oh thanks! That’s right! Big CC
What happens with tomorrows Yankee game? Will both be on Yes? Fox was supposed to have todays game, but it was of course rained out. Do they now lose rights to it?
I’m torn.
I don’t want the Mets to go the playoffs, but I don’t want the Brewers to keep abusing CC’s arm if we’re gonna end up with him.
lol
good question jennifer i was wondering the same thing
i really hope moose wins tomorrow
Okay found this on yankees.com
@ BOS
7:35 PM
MLB.TV
MAKEUP OF PPD ON 9/27
Does that mean it won’t be on tv? If not it is bs, even though the yankees are done, I want to have the option of watching.
Good question, Jennifer.
YESnetwork.com has both listed for tomorrow.
I’m sure YES will pick the game up.
Although, I don’t imagine it being very fun to watch.
Neither team is gonna want to be playing.
After watching Moose in the afternoon, I think I’ll have seen all I need to see of the Yanks for this season.
I believe YES is showing both tomorrow.
http://web.yesnetwork.com/sche.....hedule.jsp
Where do you see that on yesnetwork?
Thanks Doreen, I would imagine yesnetwork is correct.
I’m guessing Rotoworld could foresee the future of the Yanks acquiring Ricky Nolasco of the Marlins this offseason.
Since when did the Mets became the Red Sox? lol….
Ed: Mets, Red Sox, same thing.
Rebecca: both Wild Card winners? hmm…lol
SEriously, I don’t think they’re going to play either game tomorrow. I’ve been looking at the radar all day. The system runs N-S and it’s moving very, very slowly almost due north right over Boston the whole way. Unless it speeds up or a wind blows it east, MAYBE one game gets played, but not until late. The system has barely moved since I’ve been tracking it (10 am)
I should add that right now, the very tail end of the weather system is east of Washington, DC (over the Atlantic)
Poor Moose!
Rookie Hazing picture
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/.....2142c9c51/
Poor Moose indeed!
http://www.weather.com/outlook.....tion=false
Radar
There’s a rookie hazing picture on Yahoo News photos. I tried to post the link but it tells me my comment is awaiting moderation (whatever that means). Not a close-up but you can get the gist.
Win-win for yankees fan tomorrow brewers lose mets win CC dont have to get abused
watching the infamous “jeter dive” game now. its actually weird seeing Youkilis without the beard, he looks normal, and looks like another person without the beard.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/.....c43164612/
Brett looks like he’s working on the new YS.
Anyone gonna watch Georgia tonight?
argh,
Mine is also awaiting moderation.
Brett looks like he’s going to work at the new YS.
Here’s a picture
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/.....2142c9c51/
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/.....2142c9c51/
lol the pics are funny
they should have figured out somthing for coke
news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080927/483/78cd365b8a9d4c8491801472142c9c51/
I feel bad for Coke. It’s easier to be part of the group, no matter how wacky a group it is, than to be on the outside looking in.
That picture is great! Are there others?
How does Cervelli get included but not Coke?
Kind of surprised Girardi didn’t pair up Mussina with Wakefield to help him get his 20th win. Yanks have a much better chance winning against him than Dice-K.
pat
September 27th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
I feel bad for Coke. It’s easier to be part of the group, no matter how wacky a group it is, than to be on the outside looking in.
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Just think….most of these guys will still be rookies next year and get to do this all over again.
Rebecca: will be switching between GA/AL and Illinois/Penn St.
Phil just went in uni as a “Coke Dealer”
rackem: I think the idea is that Mussina gets the first start because with the weather the way it is they might not actually be able to play two
Rackem Girardi may have asked Moose which game he preferred to pitch in the afternoon or night. That might have been the decision maker.
…cuz he deals from the mound
Don’t want you to get the wrong idea. You did!
gayle
September 27th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Rackem Girardi may have asked Moose which game he preferred to pitch in the afternoon or night. That might have been the decision maker.
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The matchups may have been made already and not in the order posted, with only Mussina, Girardi and Eiland knowing the order.
Try this
news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080927/483/3c2512f0976042b58167c33c43164612/
Juan Miranda working the police man!
Lou becareful who you wish for
mussina will lose tomorrow and keep his title “mr almost”
Santana would have looked real nice in navy blue pinstripes.
Rule #1
Don’t overrate your prospects
“mussina will lose tomorrow and keep his title “mr almost—
Quit trolling.
The Sox will play NO ONE tomorrow. They won’t pitch anyone.
This is a layup.
Santana would have looked real nice in navy blue pinstripes.
Rule #1
Don’t overrate your prospects
Rule #2
Get over it
Girardi is so stupid… yeah, match him up against a guy who is 18-2 with a 2.8 ERA when you have the option of pitching him against the hittable Wakefield.
I just saw some pictures of the Padres Rookies dressed up like Hooters Girls.
I think I need therapy
Santana was pure guts today. I was against the trade at first, but damn after watching him today and really all season up close, this guy is a STUD. Takes the ball, will throw 130 pitches, pitch on 3 days rest, a competitive guy who is built to pitch in NY.
We traded for hasbeens, NL pitchers, injury prone pitchers etc. all these years and when we finally had a chance to get the perfect ace, we screwed it up.
Frustrating, but nothing we can do.
hughes better turn into drysdale in his prime
after what i saw from santana today, i am even more miffed we missed out on him
interesting thoughts by Mark Mussina about Ichiro.
http://www.wnst.net/Blogs/tabi.....fault.aspx
SA: Even the sound of that makes me think I need surgery.
Quilvo, the weather means the Yankees and Sox might only be able to get one game in.
“Santana would have looked real nice in navy blue pinstripes.
Rule #1
Don’t overrate your prospects
Rule #2
Get over it”
Why should any of us “get over it”? That is why we follow the game. That is why are fans. That is why we check blogs constantly. We second guess. We assume. We think we can do a better job.
The Santana non trade is important. Telling people to “get over it” is ridiculous and lacking any intelligent insight.
If you are going to defend the non trade, defend the fact that Hughes may be a #2. Don’t tell people to “get over it”.
SHows you have no intelligence and can’t back anything up if you go that route.
FOR THE LAST TIME MIKE HAD HIS PICK OF WHICH GAME TO PITCH!
Willis is looking pretty good — 5 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 5 K
He did?
Then why in the world would he want to go against Dice-K? Only explanation I can think of is he is afraid the 2nd game might get rained out.
The no Santana trade should be a nice little warning to the front office.
Don’t overrated your own prospects.
They thought Hughes was an ace. Kennedy a #2. Melky a starting CF.
That scares me more than anything this year. The fact that they messed up that bad and bet this season and next on that.
Why should any of us “get over it� That is why we follow the game. That is why are fans. That is why we check blogs constantly. We second guess. We assume. We think we can do a better job.
The Santana non trade is important. Telling people to “get over it†is ridiculous and lacking any intelligent insight.
If you are going to defend the non trade, defend the fact that Hughes may be a #2. Don’t tell people to “get over itâ€.
SHows you have no intelligence and can’t back anything up if you go that route.
Santana is not here and is not coming here, thus get over it and move on.
If you can’t do that but continue to whine about Santana not being here-hey go ahead and waste your time and energy.
Here’s a fact-we don’t know how Hughes will be in the future: good or bad. We need to have patience and just see what happens.
Have a nice day.
Because maybe Moose picked before Dice K did?
Moose is on the road team. Which usually means he ha to pick first.
If you can’t do that but continue to whine about Santana not being here-hey go ahead and waste your time and energy.
Here’s a fact-we don’t know how Hughes will be in the future: good or bad. We need to have patience and just see what happens.
Have a nice day.
patience? What from him has made you think he was worth keeping instead of getting a lefty in his prime ace?
Really?
The most alarming thing is how badly they overrated Kennedy and how they had no reinforcements. I love how every guy who can’t break a paint of glass with the FB is compared to Maddux.
Atleast Kennedy got exposed as a fraud right away and even Cashman had seen enough. It speaks volume that this was supposed to be a transition year dedicated to the young guys development and we had Rasner and Ponson in our rotation all summer.
Hell, they let pathetic Carl Pavano up his value for next year on our watch rather than give the young kids a shot.
Why don’t they just scratch Mussina or say Mussina was stuck in traffic and arrived late and switch him with Ponson at the last minute?
I don’t think you have to pick now who starts. They can decide tomorrow right before the game as long as the lineup wasn’t handed in.
patience? What from him has made you think he was worth keeping instead of getting a lefty in his prime ace?
Really?
Have you ever ever seen him pitch and I’m not talking just this year when he struggled at times?
So should we write off a 22 year old pitcher?
Do you have any patience?
Do you realize it was more than just Hughes in the deal and that players were changing? If so, please tell me all those players that were at one time involved. Let’s see of you get the answer right.
You really think Santana would have made a big difference for this team this year? Really? Would he somehow be in the lineup every night and help get those RISP home?
Do you realize maybe it’s time to move on, cuz he’s not coming here.
Because maybe Moose picked before Dice K did?
Moose is on the road team. Which usually means he ha to pick first.
Huh?
There is no official picking process. The manager can throw anyone he wants out on the mound come gametime.
My God some of you are thick.
If it was a Santana for Hughes/IPK/Melky without the requirement of having to sign Santana to a long term deal for huge $$$, Cashman would have done the deal in a heartbeat.
Giving up the prospects and the $$$$ was the issue. Santana would not have gotten the Yanks into the playoffs this season despite what some of you think.
Now we still have the prospects and can use the $150 mil we saved on Santana to sign other FA pitchers.
It’s really not that hard to understand.
bob–maybe I’m confusing it with something else.
It’s possible. My mind is fried.
What is this? Upset week in college football?
Now everyone that is Pro Hughes will admit that the farm system is going pretty well and will only get better right?
And you will concede that is most stocked in RHP, right?
So why wouldn’t you part with 2 of those arms for an in his prime lefty who wants to pitch in NY?
Plus, it saves you two draft picks when you sign a FA and you know the player wants to pitch in NY and has had great success in the AL.
It’s not like we are talking trade Joba here. A legit top of the rotation guy.
I hope someone took Colorado State, it’s a Cal Bear blowout!
I’m glad it’s Moose vs. Matsuzakker, I want Moose to earn #20.
“Girardi is so stupid… yeah, match him up against a guy who is 18-2 with a 2.8 ERA when you have the option of pitching him against the hittable Wakefield.”
Yep, Girardi is really stupid for that one. Although in Girardi’s defense Dice K has made 5 starts against the Yankees and he has an ERA of 6.30. So then again maybe Girardi isn’t so stupid after all.
Giving up the prospects and the $$$$ was the issue. Santana would not have gotten the Yanks into the playoffs this season despite what some of you think.
On number 1. We have a flowing system right now. You have to use it to help the big league club especially if you don’t rate those prospects to be stars.
$$? We are the Yankees. We have 100 mill coming off the payroll. We are desperate for an ace. We may give Sabathia 150 mill. And maybe Burnett 125. Money???
And we won 90 games with Wang missing 3/4 of the yr and Joba getting hurt and Posada missing most of the yr. Think about that.
You don’t think Santana wins at worst 17 games???
Please.
Stop drinking the Kool Aid.
Exactly
It was the financial concern more than it was giving up Hughes. Hughes was ON THE TABLE for the Twins’ taking, it was the 3rd player in the deal that was the stalemate.
If Santana was under control, for even a couple of years, they do that trade in a heartbeat. It was money more than Hughes.
42-7 Cal!
It seems fairly obvious that you have to schedule Moose for the first game; only one game might be played.
yankees website lists Mussina-Wakefield game 1.
We won 90 games?
Really?
In 2008?
Hmmm, I must have missed a few of them.
Nick, I’m still a-waitin the lollipops
Bob, we have 88 wins with two to play
We won the World Series in 2007 with less wins
Looks like nobody wants to win the AL Central.
If there is a young position player available this off-season that is under control for a while, I doubt Cashman would hesitate to trade Hughes.
Rebecca, I was responding to Sal. He said we won 90 games this year. We haven’t.
Whoa, mel, when you’d start a blog?
We won the World Series in 2007 with less wins
If only!
I got a discount for ordering directly from their factory in China, so it might be a long wait!
And Rebecca, I must have been in a coma. We won the WS in 2007?
So the midges were just a bad dream? lol
Good for you, mel!
The Rays will make quick work of the AL Central winner
My god, both these teams are awful. They can’t beat the Royals and Indians at home?
Rebecca,
Haha, like 5 minutes ago.
I don’t think we even play 162 games. Tito would be fine with that. Poor things have to fly all the way to LA.
…Holy Freudian slip much o-o
I meant 2000. Oopsies.
Nick: Oooh okies. Hope they have none of that plastic stuff in them!
Mel, I’ll link to yours =D
According to Buster Olney in his blog today:
The Twins tried to re-engage the Yankees Monday night, calling and asking, again, for Hughes to be in a package. The Yankees said no, and the Twins then asked, instead, for Chien-Ming Wang and Ian Kennedy, and the Yankees said no.
Source: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....211;1.html
So if the twins wanted Wang instead of Hughes, what do you think they were asking for in the Hughes package? I seriously doubt they were asking for Hughes/Kennedy/Melky.
Twins valued Lester more than Hughes and you can see why.
Lester is a stud– lefty who throws 95, tough a nails
And people actually thought Smith was crazy for valuing them the same. As usual, the real GMs know more than the arm chair GMs.
Mets fans won’t be happy.
MILWAUKEE — Now, the Chicago Cubs won’t start Carlos Zambrano in their regular-season finale Sunday against the Milwaukee Brewers.
Instead, it will be Angel Guzman, a Sept. 1 call-up who has appeared in only five games — all Cubs losses — and has a 7.04 ERA in 7 2/3 innings.
This race could get interesting.
If the Twins and Chi Sox both win tomorrow, The Chi Sox would then make up the the game vs. Detroit on Monday. If they win, they would be tied with the Twins and both teams would play a tie-breaker game on Tuesday.
Chances are you could get TWO playing games (MIL/NYM, CHW/MIN) and the White Sox makeup game.
look at it this way if it rains all morning/afternoon and stops in the evening
joe can still give moose a start and maybe terry doesnt start dice at alll and hands the ball the wakefield
COME ONNNN MOOSE!
this race is indeed extremely interesting
I could see them naming Hank the GM if they can’t find anybody
Whoa! Here come the White Sox.
Wakefield’s not always a walk in the park for the Yankees, either. If it’s meant to be, it will be and it won’t matter who’s pitching for the Sox.
I am so not ready for the off season.
The mistake Cashman made was overvaluing prospects.
Point blank, there is only one untouchable in the farm and that is Joba. Nobody else is even close in value.
made 5 starts against the Yankees and he has an ERA of 6.30. So then again maybe Girardi isn’t so stupid after all.
Sal
September 27th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Giving up the prospects and the $$$$ was the issue. Santana would not have gotten the Yanks into the playoffs this season despite what some of you think.
On number 1. We have a flowing system right now. You have to use it to help the big league club especially if you don’t rate those prospects to be stars.
$$? We are the Yankees. We have 100 mill coming off the payroll. We are desperate for an ace. We may give Sabathia 150 mill. And maybe Burnett 125. Money???
And we won 90 games with Wang missing 3/4 of the yr and Joba getting hurt and Posada missing most of the yr. Think about that.
You don’t think Santana wins at worst 17 games???
Please.
Stop drinking the Kool Aid.
LLIME
September 27th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Exactly
It was the financial concern more than it was giving up Hughes. Hughes was ON THE TABLE for the Twins’ taking, it was the 3rd player in the deal that was the stalemate.
If Santana was under control, for even a couple of years, they do that trade in a heartbeat. It was money more than Hughes.
Nick in SF at Memorial Stadium in Berkeley
September 27th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
42-7 Cal!
It seems fairly obvious that you have to schedule Moose for the first game; only one game might be played.
mike
September 27th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
yankees website lists Mussina-Wakefield game 1.
Bob(The Original)
September 27th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
We won 90 games?
Really?
In 2008?
Hmmm, I must have missed a few of them.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Real baseball fans vote
September 27th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Nick, I’m still a-waitin the lollipops
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Real baseball fans vote
September 27th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Bob, we have 88 wins with two to play
We won the World Series in 2007 with less wins
mel
September 27th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Looks like nobody wants to win the AL Central.
t-rock
September 27th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
If there is a young position player available this off-season that is under control for a while, I doubt Cashman would hesitate to trade Hughes.
Bob(The Original)
September 27th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Rebecca, I was responding to Sal. He said we won 90 games this year. We haven’t.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Real baseball fans vote
September 27th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Whoa, mel, when you’d start a blog?
S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and guess what: Santana is not coming here
September 27th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
We won the World Series in 2007 with less wins
If only!
Nick in SF at Memorial Stadium in Berkeley
September 27th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
I got a discount for ordering directly from their factory in China, so it might be a long wait!
Bob(The Original)
September 27th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
And Rebecca, I must have been in a coma. We won the WS in 2007?
So the midges were just a bad dream? lol
Doreen
September 27th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Good for you, mel!
vtred
September 27th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
The Rays will make quick work of the AL Central winner
My god, both these teams are awful. They can’t beat the Royals and Indians at home?
mel
September 27th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Rebecca,
Haha, like 5 minutes ago.
I don’t think we even play 162 games. Tito would be fine with that. Poor things have to fly all the way to LA.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Real baseball fans vote
September 27th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
…Holy Freudian slip much o-o
I meant 2000. Oopsies.
Nick: Oooh okies. Hope they have none of that plastic stuff in them!
Mel, I’ll link to yours =D
raymagnetic
September 27th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
According to Buster Olney in his blog today:
The Twins tried to re-engage the Yankees Monday night, calling and asking, again, for Hughes to be in a package. The Yankees said no, and the Twins then asked, instead, for Chien-Ming Wang and Ian Kennedy, and the Yankees said no.
Source: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....“1.html
So if the twins wanted Wang instead of Hughes, what do you think they were asking for in the Hughes package? I seriously doubt they were asking for Hughes/Kennedy/Melky.
Meaningless Stats
September 27th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Twins valued Lester more than Hughes and you can see why.
Lester is a stud– lefty who throws 95, tough a nails
And people actually thought Smith was crazy for valuing them the same. As usual, the real GMs know more than the arm chair GMs.
Bob(The Original)
September 27th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Mets fans won’t be happy.
MILWAUKEE — Now, the Chicago Cubs won’t start Carlos Zambrano in their regular-season finale Sunday against the Milwaukee Brewers.
Instead, it will be Angel Guzman, a Sept. 1 call-up who has appeared in only five games — all Cubs losses — and has a 7.04 ERA in 7 2/3 innings.
Dave D
September 27th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
This race could get interesting.
If the Twins and Chi Sox both win tomorrow, The Chi Sox would then make up the the game vs. Detroit on Monday. If they win, they would be tied with the Twins and both teams would play a tie-breaker game on Tuesday.
Chances are you could get TWO playing games (MIL/NYM, CHW/MIN) and the White Sox makeup game.
you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year…)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!)
September 27th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
look at it this way if it rains all morning/afternoon and stops in the evening
joe can still give moose a start and maybe terry doesnt start dice at alll and hands the ball the wakefield
COME ONNNN MOOSE!
you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year…)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!)
September 27th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
this race is indeed extremely interesting
NITRO
September 27th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
I could see them naming Hank the GM if they can’t find anybody
mel
September 27th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Whoa! Here come the White Sox.
Doreen
September 27th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Wakefield’s not always a walk in the park for the Yankees, either. If it’s meant to be, it will be and it won’t matter who’s pitching for the Sox.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Real baseball fans vote
September 27th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
I am so not ready for the off season.
Alfred E. Kennedy
September 27th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
The mistake Cashman made was overvaluing prospects.
Point blank, there is only one untouchable in the farm and that is Joba. Nobody else is even close in value.
K. Either the pollsters don’t know what they’re talking about or there’s more parity than we realize in college football.
Nick, you’re such a wuss for not taking Cal.
Man, the season has really flown by.
It seems like just yesterday Johnny Gomez and Duncan were brawling in ST.
…someone needs to learn “Yankee Prospects 101″!
It seems like just yesterday Johnny Gomez and Duncan were brawling in ST.
I concur.
mel: I know a lot of people that are gonna be real unhappy.
Rebecca –
same here, but it’s the Mets’ fans. I already got like 5 people texted me saying “mets in the playoffs”, then i replied “we’ll see”.
Rebecca,
How’d your Orangemen do?
The really strange trend is that all of the North Carolina schools which have been traditional basketball schools are now winning in football.
Weird happenings in Chicago. They put up a 4-spot in the 8th only to promptly give it right back.
We really should be getting the AL Central’s playoff spot this year. They don’t deserve it.
From the NY Times baseball blog:
The rookies posed together in front of the clubhouse TV, as teammates gathered around snapping photos with their cellphones. Then they were forced to walk through the concourse at Fenway Park –- that is, through a sea of howling Red Sox fans –- on the way to the team bus.
The prank was the idea of Rob Cucuzza, the clubhouse manager, but the always-zany Jason Giambi took credit for the outfits.
“I told them they can only borrow them,†Giambi said. “I’m going to use them later.â€
Oh Jason. lol
Mel –
with the way of the White Sox playing, it seems like the Twins are most likely to get in the playoffs.
You know, if Cleveland hadn’t traded Sabathia, they may just have won the Central.
Ed: I was talking about Georgia/Bama
Mel: They lost. Greg Robinson is like 2-20 in Big East Play. We’re actively campaigning for his removal.
Rebecca –
Yeah, I know you were talking about college football.
Rebecca, the Robinson watch has long been started. The only two questions are will he be fired mid-season with by-weeks coming and who will be replacing him.
He has pretty much consigned himself to being gone, not burning the midnight oil anymore.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3612689
Rays’ Baldelli: I don’t have muscular dystrophy, despite report
Ed,
Chicago is on a 4 game (soon to be 5) losing streak, the Twins have lost 2.
By the end of this game, the Sox will be 86-74, Twins 87-74.
If both teams win or if both teams lose, the Sox have to play their make up game.
If Chicago wins and Minny loses, Sox play make up game.
The only scenario that avoids the makeup game is a Minny win with Chicago loss.
Hey, will the Yankees-Sox night game be televised?
If so, which network?
“Giving up the prospects and the $$$$ was the issue. Santana would not have gotten the Yanks into the playoffs this season despite what some of you think.
Now we still have the prospects and can use the $150 mil we saved on Santana to sign other FA pitchers.”
I tend to agree with that given how sluggish the Yankees offense was for most of the year but we really don’t know what impact Santana would have had here. Certainly the hitters ould have been more relaxed during his games, he would have given more innings which would have protected the bullpen etc etc.
My issue is that Santana was worth the $150 million. He’s one of the few players who is. I’m not even sure CC is.
The Yankees needed an ace before the season to take pressure off the kids at vthe back of the rotation. When the best pitcher in baseball is available, and you’re the NY Yankees you need to make more than just a half-hearted effort to get him.
Keep in mind that the benefit of keeping Hughes was that he made less money and was under team control. The Yanks lost one year of team control this year and got no wins from Hughes.
I like Hughes and am glad he is still a Yankee. I think he has great potential, but also lament not getting Santana. But it’s over and done with, and now rlly all tha can be done is to look to the future and hope CC signs here.
Cashman did not want to give up Hughes, period. It was a combination of the $$$ and the prospects that turned the Yankees off, period, but it still came down to the fact that, for Cash, Hughes was off the table. If folks don’t want to believe it, than that’s their option. The lack of baseball knowledge by some people just boggles the mind. They just continue to show off how little they know by insisting that a 22 year old who was the #1 pitching prospect in baseball is overrated and overhyped before he has even had a chance to prove himself. Baseball history is littered with hundreds of pitchers who struggled early in their careers before finding their groove, but I forget -Americans are lousy with history. Not only that, but it seems they want Phil to fail – that is the most shameful thing of all. Fortunately(unlike Ian), Phil doesn’t read the boards or the newspapers and he has no clue that there are so-called fans out there that have it out for him at age 22 because he’s not already a Cy Young award winner.
Yankeejosh
You realize if you had Santana at the front, there would be no kids at the back?
Macademia Nut: I hope it’s soon. He shafted me out of any ggood Syracuse football while I was there.
Seriously, I have the 2006 Big East tournament and that’s about it.
well, considering that they will now have to pay Sabathia even more than Santana got, it probably was a mistake to not get Johan. If the bullpen didn’t blow so many games for him, he’d be in the Cy Young hunt again.
Th Yankees could have gotten Santana without giving up Hughes. Look at what the Mets gave up. The yanks chose to take themselves out of the Johan chase. That is the bototm line. There was no specific offer turned down by the Twins. Once the Yanks were out of the bidding they were forced to take a lesser deal, which is what they got.
Betsy –
Yep, it most definitely came down to Phil Hughes being included in the deal.
The fact of the matter is that the Yankees were hoping and praying that the Twins would hold on to Johan and just go for it this year (in retrospect, that probably would have been their wisest decision; the draft pick will probably end up being worth more than what the Mets gave up). Anyway, the Yankees would have allowed Johan to name his price on the free agent market. It just didn’t work out – the Twins’ decided that Johan must go.
Will the Yankees regret the decision? We’ll see – as of this moment, of course there has to be a regret or two; Hughes didn’t win a game while Johan has made a run at a Cy Young Award. That’s pretty compelling evidence for the “We wanted Johan!” crowd.
Will that still be the case a few years down the road? We really have no idea at this point.
As you said, MLB history is loaded with great pitchers who started off terribly. But people just don’t want to hear about it – oh well.
Yeah, when Hughes became unavailable, they asked for Wang.
The Red Sox walked away, too.
The Twins were playing the Sox and Yankees against each other. At some point in time the Twins could have had Ellsbury or Lester. They chose to play games and game away with the lesser deal because they went too far.
I guess they could have made no deal at all, but they didn’t want to lose Santana for even less than they got.
I wonder why Minny didn’t wait till July 31 of this year to deal Johan. Wouldn’t they have been able to have gotten more? Imagine if they’d waited, once Wang got hurt.
Hard to believe that Robinson would make the last years of Pasqualoni look like championship years!
SU is going to have to go a different way, the recruiting is tough so they need someone who can get good talent to come to the school. Maybe the Express movie will help a little bit, but whoever they get they have to be able to recruit and get the whole program rebuilt.
ESPN had a guy on who asked if they were even still a 1A team. Ouch!
Go cry to your mommies about your Johans.
Duke, the Twinkies really didn’t want him remaining in the same league. They weren’t going to let him go to the Yankees for a package that was like the Mets’ package.
Macademia Nut: Thank g-d we have basketball and Boeheim!
well, considering that they will now have to pay Sabathia even more than Santana got, it probably was a mistake to not get Johan. If the bullpen didn’t blow so many games for him, he’d be in the Cy Young hunt again.
And if CC doesn’t get paid that much ?
LETS GET CC~!!
LETS GET CC~!!
LETS GET CC~!!
LETS GET CC~!!
LETS GET CC~!!
LETS GET CC~!!
LETS GET CC~!!
LETS GET CC~!!
LETS GET CC~!!
LETS GET CC~!!
Is anyone else not as excited about rookie hazing this year as they were last year?
Andrea: It’s hard to be excited about anything this year as we were last year.
Different team, different record, different doings in October.
Showalter has some Arizona connections.. could he get us Stephen Drew or Connor Jackson for Hughes?
so did anyone see the mets box score?
complete game shutout on 3 days rest
there is a reason stick adovcated the trade… he knows 100x more about baseball than cashman. next time maybe hal will listen to the real baseball man
Pettitte decided to return and resigned with the Yankees 12/12/07. They already had resigned Posada, A-Rod signed one day later and Rivera 4 days after that. Santana wasn’t traded until 1/29/08. Once Pettitte decided to come back and they signed Posada, A-Rod, and Rivera, to the richest contracts for their position in baseball history, Santana became a long term luxury with a concern about diminished velocity and increases homerun rate.
Had Pettitte decided to retire, we might have kept up interest in Santana.
Andrew Brackman pitches tonight at 1 AM EST in Hawaii.
“Is anyone else not as excited about rookie hazing this year as they were last year?”
I think people had a different “attachment” to Joba, Shelley, Phil, Ian, etc….at the end of last year than they do to Aceves, Cervelli etc….this year.
Plus it’s more fun when they have to sign autographs for the hometown fans outside the stadium and you get to see video of it immediately.
Oy.
Are you all really going to trade Phil when his value is so low?
Let me translate some of this
so did anyone see the mets box score?
Why wasn’t Santana a Yankeee
complete game shutout on 3 days rest
I wanted Santana now ! I wanted him !
there is a reason stick adovcated the trade… he knows 100x more about baseball than cashman.
Stick would have got Santana !, Why didn’t we get Santana, he was the difference in us not making it this year, I wanted Santana..Yes I’m spoiled but I wanted Santana !
next time maybe hal will listen to the real baseball man
Maybe an old Stick Micheal becomes our GM once again, screw it if he doesn’t want to be GM, let him be GM, forget that he doesn’t want to do it or is getting close to retirement stage, get me a guy that would have got me Santana.
Did I get it all ?
Oh, Christ…this board really doesn’t need to read all of the whining and snot slinging every time Santana wins a game.
The original deal was turned down when Smith came back and wanted more after running the deal to Boston…it ended when he asked for Wang.
Get over the crap and grow up. This offense wasn’t going to get him any more runs than the Mets did, and Santana was going to give up more in the AL East than he did in the NL East.
Brandon: LMAO! You should totally be a translator
We are talking about a league that turned Ted Lilly into a near #2 SP and had Jeff Karstens nearly getting a CG no hitter
Let me translate some of this
Brandon’s Whine Talk 101..LOL
Brandon: Trilingual! English, español and Whineology!
GB-7
Agree.Let’s move on about Santana. If you want to blame someone, blame Pettitte, our only lefty for deciding to pitch again!!
Looks like you guys covered “If we only had Santana” day.
Should we ask Pete to have the filter block ‘santana’ from the blog?
Why are people surprised? Of course everytime Santana has a good game it will be stuffed in our face… he is playing across town! We all knew this would happen, Santana and Hughes are linked together. Just like Torre/Girardi.
So does Santana start game 1 in Wrigley on 3 days rest again? Unless it starts on Thursday, then he would be on normal rest.
Start Mussina against Wakefield, not Dice-K.
Great, so they make the Mexican guy play the Indian. That’s so wrong.
Miranda’s perfect for the cop cause he’s definitely got the “guns”.
Is that shirt too small for Humberto or is he just method acting?
Doreen
September 27th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Yankeejosh
You realize if you had Santana at the front, there would be no kids at the back?
That all depended on what the trade was though. If Hughes was included, there’d still have been Kennedy and possibly Joba at the back of the rotation. That would have taken some of the pressure off those two. The Yankees weren’t trading all their young pitching for Santana.
I didn’t want to include Hughes in a trade for Santana, and would have seen if the Twins bit on Cano as the centerpiece of the trade before giving up Hughes. I think there was a way to keep Hughes and still ge Santana. But even if there wasn’t, Hughes is a 22 year old stud prospect, Santana is the best pitcher in the game today and in his prime. It’s not like Hughes would have been given up for a mediocre player.
The NY Yankees will be offering grief counseling to all fans who can not get over the trades of the 2008 season that were not made. Every Tuesday and Thursday night at 7pm, all those in need of a place to vent are invited to meet at the large bat outside of Yankee Stadium. Tuesday meetings will be hosted by Hank Steinbrenner and Thursday meetings will be hosted by Joel Sherman and Mike Lupica on alternating weeks. Special guests Johan Santana, Paul Byrd and Jarrod Washburn are anticipated but no contracts have been finalized.
If the Yankees fail to sign a portly lefty starter by January 2009, Wednesday night meetings may also be added to the schedule. For additional information please call 1-800-SABATHIA.
pat: Laugh of the night!
nice, pat…
What exactly is Sanchez? The captain of a ship?
Actually, they all look like male strippers. But I’d pay them to keep their clothes on.
Ouch mel, that’s harsh!
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....ll_mack102
Cervelli, Miranda, Gardner
Rebecca,
I have very high standards.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....DWcfGFCLcF
The first pitcher at the bottom ia Gardner, Cervelli, and Miranda
Interesting piece about Girardi.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....d_rev.html
LOL pat
Especially Sanchez lol
and couldn’t the Yankees atleast get these guys the proper sizes?
But wait, maybe their clothes were tight for a reason as Mel suggested
pat: well done. You win the Bronson Arroyo Prize.
mel: I couldn’t not put *anything* on Cal. I won $5!
“I think he’s doing a wonderful job,” Damon said last week.
LOL Damon is funny
So does Santana start game 1 in Wrigley on 3 days rest again? Unless it starts on Thursday, then he would be on normal rest.
putting the cart before the horse there aren’t we?
A little hypothetical here.
What if you have USC and OSU (Ohio State) vying for one slot in the championship game with one loss each.
Ohio State plays in a stronger conference, but USC won the head-to-head.
Who do you vote in?
CC and Burnett have too many question marks, I don’t trust them
I’d rather sign Dempster, Perez, or Sheets
Hank: Very, very worth the read, thanks for linkingg.
If Humberto is the navel officer, why is his shirt unbuttoned? Isn’t that kind of unprofessional?
The only sheets I’d sign are “Don’t Sign Sheets” petitions.
USC, easily. Ohio State plays a bunch of patsies and the Big Ten isn’t all that.
Derek Lowe has a 3.24 ERA? Wow. NL or nto that is impressive.
If we strike out on AJ and CC, I wouldn’t mind Lowe
“If Humberto is the navel officer, why is his shirt unbuttoned?”
DUH…..To show his navel!
“If Humberto is the navel officer, why is his shirt unbuttoned?â€
DUH…..To show his navel!
To attract seamen?
mel
September 27th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Rebecca,
I have very high standards.
____________________________________________________-
Or, a weak stomach?
Nick,
So what’s the Pac-10 if the Big 10 isn’t all that? Ba-rump-pah! Too easy, Nick.
I agree, USC is still the best team in the country.
Georgia out, Florida out.
Penn State, Texas, BYU, Utah, Oklahoma (your new #1), LSU all undefeated still.
Wilson
September 27th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
CC and Burnett have too many question marks, I don’t trust them
I’d rather sign Dempster, Perez, or Sheets
______________________________________________
Sabathatia and Burnett are question marks, but Sheets and Perez aren’t?
Making an idiotic statement like that proves that you’re a troll.
Why couldn’t they get creative with Coke’s costume? Couldn’t he have been Bob Marley or somebody?
***Sabathia***
Coke bottle?
Stay far away from Dempster. He is a 32 yr old journeyman from the NL who is having a career season
pat
September 27th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
“If Humberto is the navel officer, why is his shirt unbuttoned?â€
DUH…..To show his navel!
________________________________________________
Sanchez knows that women love to see lint collections.
GB7,
Ugh, I think we’d rather see the lint collection in the lint trap!
Sticking with mel’s stripper theme. They should have put Coke in a gold thong and a mustache as an homage to the Big G.
Easy shmeasy. The Pac-10 is at its nadir in public perception right now but the public’s perception of it will rise. The Big Ten is overrated! If USC doesn’t lose again it will have beaten some very good teams. Likewise for Ohio St., but they also padded their schedule with Youngstown State, Ohio U., and Troy; I’m not sure if they’re played the Sisters of the Poor yet. Advantage: Trojans. But it’s a moot point, says I. This scenario will not come to pass.
Dempster’s price is going to go WAY up after this year.
I’d stay away.
Agree, mel. They should have just found Coke a cola cola can or bottle costume somewhere. It’s such an obvious joke.
As for pitchers, the NY Times says, “Pitchers without A.L. experience need not apply.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09.....f=baseball
But maybe that’s just Kepner’s personal interpretation.
LLIME
September 28th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Stay far away from Dempster. He is a 32 yr old journeyman from the NL who is having a career season
_________________________________________________
Look at Dempster’s seasons as a starter in Cincinnati before he was traded to Chicago and Baker made him a relief pitcher. He’s spent his career pitching in two hitters parks.
They should have put these guys in mini-skirts, go-go boots and see-thru blouses.
Isn’t the unbuttoned Cervelli?
Maybe Coke should have dressed up as Amy Winehouse?
I believe she is a big fan of..um..Coke
Here it is. Gameday for Brackman’s professional debut:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....n_waiwin_1
Cisco is the biker
I guess we don’t get our own special Brackman thread?
Cashman’s legacy, assuming he opts out, will be Hughes, IPK and Melky.
mel-
How did Brackman pitch tonight?
the link says other wise
“September 28 At Boston Red Sox 1:35 p.m./YES HD
September 28 At Boston Red Sox 7:35 p.m./TBA”
TBA?
Buddy,
He’s in the embryotic stage. Game starts at 10:00 PST.
aha, nice mel!
so is it 5pm HST?
Since we were denied a playoff berth, we’ll just have to talk about the othere kind of birth.
Buddy,
Isn’t it only a 3 hour difference? 7:00 HST.
Is the Honolulu DH related to anyone we know?
Brackman Starts at 1 AM EST, in half an hour.
Man. You Hawaiian’s have got it good.
Us East Coasters are staying up past 1 am!
Not that I don’t do that anyway.
6 hour difference from Hawaii to East Coast, I believe.
prediction for brackman
3 IP, 2 H, 3 ER, 6 BB, 4 K, 2 WP, 2 BALKS
he hasn’t pitched competitively in over a year he will be very rusty
were did u find this gameday mel…this is really cool…even for triple A they dont have this kind of gameday..they get the weak kind…
Rebecca,
Haha. Only people who have Hawaiian blood are considered Hawaiians. The rest are Hawaii residents.
Oh yeah 3 hour time difference.
mel- are you able to go to that one island meant for Hawaiian natives only?
RalphieD,
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/.....league=hwb
If you guys fall *asleep*, check my blog (sounds so weird) in the am.
I’m going to try to give updates after the games.
I don’t know what the rules are for Niihau, a privately owned island. But no desire to go.
gotcha.
mel, if I come visit, will you give me a tour?
A 3-hour tour?
Please tell me you know what I’m talking about.
Rebecca-
Hawaii is the most amazing place, just skip Honolulu, way too touristy. I got married on the Big Island.
Will the Skipper be there? What about MaryAnn?
82 degrees and partly cloudy in Waikiki Beach this evening.
Sigh, lucky them.
mel: I’m afraid the curse of being-22-years-old-and-way-out-of-the-loop strikes again
Rebecca-
I gave you 2 clues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.....9;s_Island
Best show ever. Not really, but almost.
Buddy: Okay, I get the clues
I was more impressed with Ricky Nolasco than I was with Santana
Can you guys believe tommorrow is the last game of the season. Now its time to count down for spring training.. I hate whee baseball season ends, i have to find somehting to occupy my time slot that was used for games.
awww…this gameday doesnt give the pitch speed or even pitch type
Any radar readings for Brackman?
Well, this kind of defeats the purpose of game day, doesn’t it?
Rough going for Brackman so far.
Christina: do what I do. Work on a novel about a baseball team. It’s like therapy!
I really hope Brackman isin’t another Hughes or Kennedy.
Not looking good so far
posey with the passed ball..pshhh
“I really hope Brackman isin’t another Hughes or Kennedy.
Not looking good so far”
you must of had too much to drink,jackie d
I’m not sure if I should be proud of myself for bridging the gap between “Gilligan’s Island” and “The Wannsee Conference” or concerned.
Jack, it’s his first professional start. If you judge anyone on their first pro start, you’re in the wrong sport.
Lol sounds good. I just need a good thesis topic. Maybe I will devise some sort of research proposal related to baseball.
Nick: I’m curious. How did you do that?
He’s just going for feel tonight folks relax.
Christina: I wrote my senior thesis on Henry VII of England. Not much baseball, but a lot of swords.
Well apparently his pickoff move needs some work.
This isin’t about results, its about getting innings and displaying his stuff.
Well there’s K # 1
Strikes out a batter
Christina,
What’s the discipline? Economics? Sports psychology?
Wasn’t the guy he struck out the Royals’ top prospect?
is bracky (yea i made a nickname for him already) on a pitch count..if so whats the #
Eric Eiland?
Gotta be related to Dave, no?
Buster Posey is nervous, he has to be
Why does Ozzie continue to pitch Vasquez on short rest even though he sucks?
Aloha Andrew to touching the mound in a pro ball setting
Rebecca: We could always combine the two. SOme sort of intriging setting with Jason Giambi during historic times fighting with swords or whatnot.
Mel: Not entirely sure yet. Could write a proposal about baseball in so many directions.
Forntoso,
That’s probably the right brother. We saw the other one with the Mariners.
There’s another brother somewhere in baseball. But the sister plays on UH’s highly ranked women’s volleyball team.
Not too impressed with Posey. Just kidding. Probably getting crossed up.
BTW. Les Murakami has newly laid field turf. I think the Hans L’orange field is grass.
Christina! LMAO!
You really don’t want to be giving me these kind of ideas…Jason would look stellar in some late Tudor garb!
Haha. I love the rookie hazing costumes this year, but I don’t think any of them will ever beat last yars wizard of oz theme. I am watching Brackman on gameday. I am not expecting much in his first start. kevin
The effects alcohol has on the performance of baseball players would be an interesting topic. However, I think i may have trouble finding enough players to partake as my control group of those who would have to lay off the booze. Plus there are too many other outside factors that would skew my results
one year a team has the guys dressed up as hooters girls.
I just meant that I have seen them both. If you made a Venn diagram of people who have seen most/all episodes of “Gilligan’s Island” and people who have seen “The Wannsee Conference”, I’m not sure how big the intersection would be.
Furthermore, if you made a Venn diagram to illustrate the intersection of people who have seen most/all episodes of “Gilligan’s Island”, have seen “The Wannsee Conference”, and own the Marine Research record which has the song “Venn Diagram” on it, that intersection may be smaller still. If you also add people who have purchased Moose Bars, the entire intersection may be comprised of me.
Nick, my head hurts.
Christina: Interesting idea, but I doubt you’d be able to find many professional players willing to partake, as you said.
Psychology?
Nick’s in his own venn diagram and it’s floating around the planet formerly known as Pluto. :crossed eyes:
I think im better off just following a player and writing about their lives. I volunteer Derek Jeter. He must live quite the life.
mel: There’s a Facebook group—
When I was your age, Pluto was a planet.
Brackman is getting shelled.
5 hits, 2 doubles, 4 runs, 1 walk, 3 SBs allowed and has yet to get an out in the 2nd inning
Venn Diagrams are fun
Speaking of facebook, old facebook > new facebook
Christina: Agreed.
Ivan Rodriguez > new facebook
When I was in college, I always had my face in a book. Unfortunately, I would wake up in the morning and find that I had read zero pages.
Christina: Indeed. Hell, Chris Britton >>> New Facebook
BTW, added a link to your blog on mine, hope you don’t mind
vtred,
Makes us even more fortuate to have Joba. Atleast we have one young player who we know is destined for stardom (if he stays healthy)
I hope this gameday operator is just throwing darts at location because these pitches are all over the place.
And is it too much to ask for pitch info? 2 innings in the book. He’ll probably be stuck with a high ERA for a while because they’ll throw a lot of pitchers into the game.
Should be okay, though. Kennedy will do the post-game for him.
Gameday is kind of useless without pitch selection or readings
Sounds like Joe needs a tutoring session in Managerial Skills 101, with a specialization in Human Relations. I had no idea that he basically ignored his coachig staff, best friends Meachem and Harkey excepted. Also, I don’t blame Damon for being hurt; it’s ridiculous that Joe didn’t tell Johnny to his face.
I really, really like Joe, but I’m beginning to wonder if he’s got the right stuff as a manager. I know he’s very smart, but can a leopard change his spots? I don’t think so. I don’t think he should be Joe Torre or anyone but himself, but I’m wondering if he has the right temperment to be leading a team.
ayayayay
It’s Brackmans *first* professional start. After Tommy John surgery.
and here some of you are expecting him to pitch a no hitter…
Brackman’s settling now it took awhile. It looks like he has no control on the knuckle curve tonight hence the balls in the dirt, and after 2 IP he has allowed 4 runs but key stat 3 swinging strikeouts.
I, too have really soured on Joe this year. I wanted him here but now it is looking like a mistake.
He deserves another year for sure to implement these necessary changes but after that, all bets are off. If he doesn’t improve in the areas he has to improve in, then he needs to go.
I thought that a lot of the problems were overblown and were fabricated by the Francessas of the world to make Torre look good but the more that has come out these last couple of days, the more it does look like there was a lot of chaos surrounding the team.
Hey, he k’ed Buster Posey!
I can’t believe we kept Brackman and Kennedy instead of getting Santana and Lincecum. What a disgrace.
vtred,
Makes us even more fortuate to have Joba. Atleast we have one young player who we know is destined for stardom (if he stays healthy)
Do you even know how HWL works ..jesus christ someone of you just sound stupid here.
Rebecca, no thats cool, im gonna add you to mine also!
some* (see what you make me do when I’m pissed)
Clint: Rule of thumb–this is New York. Things are always going to be chaotic.
They are much less chaotic now than the Bronx Zoo, but this will never be like managing the little league team in the next town over.
It’s just good that Brackman is back on the mound. It will take him a bit to settle in, but the potential is there. Command of your pitches isn’t always a light switch that you can turn on and off.
And by the way, even the St. Louis Rams >>>> New Facebook.
It is not a coincidence that Girardi only speaks with Harkey and Meachum– the only 2 guys Girardi got to handpick. Thats what happens when your GM creates your staff for you. Long/Pena were from Torre’s staff and Rob Thompson is a buddy of Cashman who has been in the org, he got the job as reward for paying his dues not because he earned it.
Hal needs to sit down with Girardi and sort a lot of these issues out.
J-Dawg: Long time no see! How have you been?
Your Titans are doing quite well, even w/o young!
Did you guys hear what a Mets employee told WFAN and it was a legit source
Hanley Ramirez on Friday walked up to all the star old time Mets players from the 86′ team after taking batting practice
“There will be no playoff baseball in NY” – Hanley Ramirez
Brandon: Hysterical, but bulletin board material for the Mets. Shouldn’t have said it.
Anyone who criticizes someone anonymously to the press is weak.
Guys, the HWL is not about results. It’s about development and a lot of times a ‘reward’ for players who did well throughout the year (Jackson last year, Romine this year) and for college guys to get innings and get their feet wet in competitive baseball. It’s for pitchers to work on things, it is a pitcher’s league.
The AFL is more about results, thats why we sent Hughes, Sanchez, etc. there
mel it wasn’t anonymous, he went up to each of the Mets old time players/ beatwriters and the first words he told them were those words and then he walked away.
This is definitely bulletin board material, but I think Hanley stuck his foot in his mouth this time.
The Mets have no heart (or bullpen), not even bulletin board material can save them.
The only reason they will make the playoffs is because Milwaukee is just as bad. Both only have one legit starter and no bullpen.
I do think both will win tomorrow though, setting up a riveting showdown at Shea between Dave Bush and Nelson Figuroa.
Brandon,
Talking about the article linked by Steinbrenner at 11:45 pm.
Yankees need to find out who is the disgruntled player spreading these anonymous quotes and get rid of him.
Rebecca: Hey! I’ve been well, just busy. Vince Young is a VERY interesting case, we don’t need him at the moment, but the prospect of continuing to win with Kerry Collins under center is pretty scary. As long as the defense can carry them through, the Titans will be fine.
That’s the first that I have heard about the Hanley Ramirez quote. In a way it’s good and in a way it’s bad.
Quotes like that exhibit the self-confidence that players MUST have, but they also fire up your opponents.
Jose the Mets have heart, the BP is just…eh…but I think Hanley should have stayed shut on Friday, because now the Mets have a reason to get up.
mel: It’s certainly interesting and it’s not a good way to go into the offseason if it’s just lingering there in the clubhouse unaddressed.
Thats what happen when you have a team full of vets/paychecks. they want to win now and when they don’t, they get cranky and whine to the press. they cant handle losing so now they are trying to make joe the scapegoat
I dunno, I see Hanley’s quote and I’m a Met and it is utter motivation for me.
But then I’m easy to motivate.
Thanks, Javy Guerra. Whoever you are.
Then the Yankees should have sent Phil to Hawaii…why do they care about results with him? He just needs to pitch and get his stuff down consistently, not worry about results.
Who are supplying these quotes?
Mussina and Damon talk a lot but both have supported Joe publicly. Mussina did in the post article and Damon did in this recent article today.
Giambi doesn’t seem like that type of guy. Andy, Rivera, Jeter obviously are not doing it.
Most of the Latin players outside of Abreu don’t really understand/speak English that well anyway, do they really know what an anonymous quote is? I doubt they would risk it.
You know Posada is behind some of them. Could A-Rod be behind some of them too? What about a guy like Joba? Molina?
oddessy: I would suspect coaches or clubhouse staff before many of the players.
You know it’s not Damon, Moose or Jeter.
Chris Britton is giving the anonymous quotes.
I don’t think Hughes qualifies for Hawaii considering he has MLB service time. Hawaii is mainly for A-Ball players and guys just out of college.
The AFL is a hitters league and every ballpark is a bandbox. Teams send their best hitting prospects there and the weather is warm and dry and the ball will fly, so it will be a good challenge. Not conducive to working on things, he has to be at his best and the Yankees want to see what he is like against the best.
If they wanted him to work on things in a stress-free environment, they would have sent him to Dominican instructs or something under the watchful eyes of the team. But they obviously want to evaluate him and get innings at the same time so they went him to the AFL.
LOL
Col 88,
Thanks for that explanation.
I think Brackman was at instructionals before heading out to HWB
Nothing could top last year’s rookie hazing with Joba as the lion, Hughes as the tinman, Kennedy as dorthy, Duncan as the scarecrow etc. that was perfect.
This year we have a bunch of male strippers. It is not a coincidence that their outfits are conspicuously small by about 2-3 sizes.
What is it w/ Jerry Manuel and the word “Gansta” IDK how stupid you can be in NY using that word for a sports comparison. Well I’m nearly done tonight.
Mussina on possible retirement:
source:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ay_st.html
What is it w/ Jerry Manuel and the word “Gansta†IDK how stupid you can be in NY using that word for a sports comparison. Well I’m nearly done tonight.
to prove that he’s a badass manager and better than Willie? lol, idk….
I sense some negotiating for a wifey bonus clause.
NY Post saying Cash has made up his mind, will be returning to the Yanks and the announcement could come as soon as tomorrow.
the 1st moves after Sunday will be Cashman’s decision, coaching moves, and 40-man roster adjustments.
Nothing of major news untill the World Series in finished.
if the yankees were a hurricane, they’d only be a category 1 . they would be, what is called, not avery well organized hurricane.
the reason that i’m making this observation is, here on cape cod, we have been warned by the weather prognosticators that wed be getting steady 50 mph winds this morning. as usual,i “battened down the hatches” just in case.
i can’t tell you how disappointing it is to wake up to 5-7 mph winds. where’s the drama,the excitement? well, that’s kind of like the yankee year of 2008. cashman led us to expect that the yankees would be at least a category 3 hurricane baseball team ( category 5 would be #27) making the playoffs. he was confident because he had a “PLAN”.
his forecast was heavy winds that would knock down the fences and young pitchers who would blow away the competition. what we got was 5-7mph winds and a very disorganized hurricane of a team.
you call this a hurricane? cashman’s hot air is more of a tropical depression.
( oh, and i just found out that the meteorologist for the national weather service for the cape cod area is named charlie cashman, brian’s 2nd cousin first removed. turns out the cashman family goes way back in the forecasting business )
NITRO
Last year’s Oz motif was very prophetic.
Joba is a lion, Hughes is a tinman (frail) and Kennedy is absolutely Dorothy, ( a girl).
Hey, is tonight’s Yankees-Red Sox game going to be televised?
The Star Ledger article written by Ed Price. (First posted here by Hank Steinbrenner) – I read it this morning in the paper (how do you folks stay awake so late???).
First, I don’t like un-named sources when it comes to team sports. If you want to help, and you’re in a position to do so, you talk to the people who can actually do something to improve the situation – your manager, the GM, not the media. I think it is cowardly and skeezy. I think if a reporter asks you such a question, you tell the reporter it’s not for open discussion in a newspaper.
While it’s interesting that Joe Girardi may have bruised a few egos, most notably Johnny Damon’s back in August – I was under the impression, and correct me if I’m wrong – that he and Johnny Damon talked this out subsequently are the situation was smoothed over. So if you’re going to write that it was a situation Girardi bungled, then it’s only fair to write that it was also a situation Girardi addressed after the fact with the player and things are now cool.
I also am under no illusions that every player is going to like every manager. And no player is gong to be happy with every decision a manager makes. And sometimes a manager is going to make mistakes. Heck, I’ve even read there were some players that didn’t like Joe Torre.
As for relying too heavily on his hand-picked coaches, I suppose that is natural, but again, it sure looked to me and sounded to me that he had a good working relationship with Dave Eiland. But that wasn’t mentioned in the article. In any event, I think one of the changes to come this off-season is a hard look at that coaching staff in order to make improvements there.
I dont’t think the player was Posada. Heck he’s pretty open, number one. And number two, I think he’d talk directly to Girardi. Couldn’t really say about any of the other names floated.
I think we can all agree, without having read that article, that Joe Girardi indeed has some learning to do. He’s admitted as much. Pointing out some areas of weakness, well, there’s nothing wrong with that. That is of interest to the fans. I guess what I object to most is reliance on “unnamed players” or “unnamed sources.” So the knock is not on Ed Price so much as the players/coaches/whoever who did not go on the record. I don’t see how you help the situation in this manner.
I have to confess that I am not a big fan of Ed Price’s coverage of the Yankees and never have been. He’s got an edge to his newpaper stories that rubs me the wrong way. Others manage to get the same point across in their stories as he does without being as contentious in tone. Pete may have his fun with sarcasm in this blog, but he doesn’t do the same in his newspaper columns. (I do not regularly read the Post or Daily News, so they may be the same as Ed Price, I don’t know.)
They’re still saying the second game is TBA over at YESnetwork.com.
Wouldn’t it be a real kick in the pants if the last game is played but not televised?
I’d bet with the weather only one gets in, if any at all, anyway.
Funny pictures!
I have a question: If Tampa Bay loses today and Boston wins 2, they have the same record. Why has Tampa clinched the division if there’s still the possibility for a tie? I have been trying to research the rules and I don’t see anything there.
If anyone is up Outside the lines on ESPN right now is doing a story on the DR baseball skimming problem and it is realy good piece
Found the answer!
I am not a huge Ed Price fan. Mainly because he doesn’t bring any interesting angles to his stories. Just a personal taste thing on my end.
Re: the Girardi story though, its pretty much spot on.
Only problem is, Pete and Tyler Kepner have pretty much written the same stuff since July about Girardi. This is not “new news”.
I think all of it boils down to a simple premise. The transition from Torre to Girardi was MUCH more difficult than anybody envisioned this year. I think even Randy Levine, a staunch Torre hater, would admit as much if he wants to be honest about the situation.
We, myself included, shouldn’t be surprised that it was a tough transition. Did it keep the Yankees out of the playoffs? I don’t think so. With the injuries and inconsistent play, these guys didn’t play well enough to go to the playoffs, regardless of who is sitting in the managers office.
Its not like these bouts of ineffectiveness weren’t in place under Torre the last 3-4 years. They were. They just didn’t last as long as they did this year.
Does that mean that Joe Girardi is a bad guy or a bad manager and will never improve? Of course not.
Its just means that, as is the case with the players, the manager has some improvement to do in the off-season. He knows that and I believe he will be better in the gig next year.
Folks can’t overeact on either side of this issue. There were moments this year where the relationship between Girardi and the players was pretty bad. A lot of that is because guys who have never struggled for this long a period were struggling and had no idea how to handle it.
It boils down to consistency. When you are coach/manager of a team, you have to bring a steady, consistent manner to the table. If you are overly enthusiastic or overly negative, you don’t succeed. At times this year, Girardi was both and it did hurt the team.
Once he found his sea legs, and became more consistent in the way he dealt with matters inside the clubhouse, the players bought in. Damon included.
They had a pretty big blowup over the stuff in Minnesota. In the end, Damon is now one of Girardi’s biggest allies in the locker room. That’s a positive step in the right direction for Girardi.
Experience does matter in these things.
One of the smartest things Joe Torre did when he took over the Yankees was to lean on “Buck’s guys” for support. Guys like David Cone and Paul O’Neill played big roles in establishing Torre in the locker room with the other guys. They got the guys to buy into what Torre was looking to do.
That comes with experience. Joe was smart enough to know what to do in order to get the respect of the guys. I think folks forget just how popular Buck was with the players. Except for the rings, Buck was as popular with the players as Torre ever was.
It took Girardi longer (this is where his lack of experience hurt him a bit, IMO) to get the core guys to buy into what he was doing.
Girardi has a lot of good qualities that he brings to the job. He just has to clean up some of the stuff he does that brings his good qualities down.
That will happen because, IMO, he’s too smart a guy not to evolve. It just takes time.
Doreen
The Rays/Sox season head to head record gives the Rays the edge in the case of a tie.
Doreen,
The only time teams play each other in a 1 game playoff is if an actual position in the playoffs is at stake. Since playoffs are not at stake for Tampa and Sox, their record against each other serves as the tiebreaker. I guess Tampa won the season series so in essence, even if they end up tied, Tampa wins the division. If Minny or White sox had won the wild card, then A Tampa-Sox tie would have resulted in a playoff game tomorrow.
If both Mets and Brewers win today, there will be a playoff at Shea tomorrow as they are competing for the last playoff position available.
pat September 28th, 2008 at 8:17 am
NY Post saying Cash has made up his mind, will be returning to the Yanks and the announcement could come as soon as tomorrow.
I’m happy with this news.
SJ–
Totally agree about Girardi and like you said this stuff has pretty much been written about before my only problem wih the piece is can they really use taking Rasner out of a game an example. I mean we are talking about Daryl Rasner nice guy and all but you can tell me that taking him out of a game before hge got the opportunity for a win effected his confidence the rest of the season. In many aspects he got more than plenty of opportunities for wins and didnt come through.
Woo Hoo Cashman’s coming back.
George King from the Post is reporting Cashman telling Steinboys that he wants to return.
It’s just weird as for years I wished for Cash’s departure and now that the moment is upon us, I’m terrified he’s leaving. I think he’s made so many blunders in terms of putting together a rotation but something tells me that his leaving would bring absolute chaos as the Steinboys seem clueless.
Gayle, I don’t get caught up with the game strategy stuff.
Mainly because, when its written about by people, its usually about the stuff that went wrong.
They never write about a good decision to go to the bullpen, a key hit and run, a good bench move, etc.
Overall, his in game work was was solid. He produced a pretty damn good bullpen. It would have been better if he had more starters who could have given him innings.
The lineup changes? Torre had about 140 different lineups in 1998 and nobody said a word about different lineups.
The issue wasn’t the different lineups. It was how those lineups were communicated to the players. I also think he got a little too caught up in mixing and matching. A common mistake with young managers.
He an older team and was working at trying to balance guys getting rest and being able to hold up over the course of the season. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn’t.
He wasn’t perfect and he knows that. He also wasn’t a dolt.
When all is said and done, he will have won 88-90 games this year. That’s considered a “bad” year in Yankeeland.
In other places, especially given everything he had to deal with this year, that ain’t bad.
I wish Moose would have been in the second game instead of against Dice K, but perhaps he would only pitch 5 innings anyways
The weather is Boston looks really bad, I’m not optomistic they can play today.
Santana comes through again, what a stupid decision by the Yanks. Another complete game shutout, 3 hitter and 9K’s, a season ERA of 2.53. Even with the Yanks inconsitent hitting he could have won 20 here. He was the difference in us NOT making the playoffs this year.
The stars are aligned for this being Mooses’ last game as A Yankee.
It seems like he’s leaning towards retirement. If he keeps playing, it’s to reach 300 wins.
From the Post:
And there is a real possibility the 39-year-old Mussina, a borderline Hall of Famer, retires. His family wants him home and he said yesterday that chasing 300 wins would be a motivator. Since he estimated that would take three years – he takes 269 victories to the mound today against the Red Sox looking for his first 20-win season – Mussina may figure to shut it off.
“Can I do it for three more years?” asked Mussina, who will pitch the first game today against Daisuke Matsuzaka. “If I am in it for one, I am in it for three.”
His family wanting him home in Montoursville, Pa., isn’t the only indication Mussina may retire. He has taken boxes of balls and other mementos from his victories this year to give to family, friends and former coaches.
“Most of them are leaning toward me going home,” Mussina said. “My wife would have liked me to retire five years ago.”
If he doesn’t retire, Mussina said the Yankees would be his top choice, but not the only one. He said Detroit and Toronto aren’t outside of the travel circle he has drawn around Montoursville.
Thanks for helping me decipher the playoff stuff, guys.
SJ44 -
I agree. It did take Girardi some time to get his “sea legs.” But he’s a smart and, I think, an earnest guy who will use this year’s experiences to help him going forward. (By the by, it’s nice to know I’m not the only one who isn’t an Ed Price fan.)
Gayle -
I was also going to reference the Rasner stuff in my earlier post. I thought it was a poor example to use. He was given many, many opportunities, number one; and number two, I believe he’d thrown more pitches in that game than he ever had in a major league game to that point. I believe Girardi didn’t want him to end up losing the game, rather than preventing him from winning the game, given the weakness of the offense.
SJ
How big a deal was the meeting that Jeter was asked to sit in on with Hal, Cash and Girardi on the homestand following the Minny trip? At the time I thought it BS that it is was being explained as management wanting Jeter to express their support of the team but didn’t have a grasp of what issues existed. In hindsight, that was the day after the Minny series where Damon and Girardi had an issue and a few days before the line-up became stabilized.
People point to the Cano benching as coming a few months too late. That may have been a meeting that was a few months too late also.
Bronx Jeers -
Wow, that’s the first I’ve heard of Moose considering other teams. But I guess if he decides he wants to try for 300 while the Yankees decide they don’t want him back, well, then he’d have to have a contingency plan. The question is, at 40, will a team give him a 3-year contract? And perhaps he feels the Yankees won’t give him 3 years guaranteed. I guess we’ll all have to wait and see how it plays out, but I’m getting ready for the Moose retirement announcement, myself.
The only costume this team should wear is a paper bag. Or a ski mask, to represent all the $$ they stole
Fourth place teams have no business with childish hazing. It’s cute when you’re winning; it’s lame when your an also-ran
JR September 28th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Fourth place teams have no business with childish hazing. It’s cute when you’re winning; it’s lame when your an also-ran
What did the 4th place Toronto Blue Jays do for Hazing?
JR
3rd place is bad enough don’t demote them further to 4th place.
Gotta love the Yanks. Even their hazing is classy. Aceves looks like he’s having a ball.
i think its pretty embarrassing just to be dressed like the village people period haha