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A few thoughts on free agents

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Sep 30, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I see where everybody is picking what free agents they want the Yankees to sign to make everything all better. A few things:

* Money talks. Forget everything else. It doesn’t matter where a guy is from, whether he likes to surf or if he hates cold weather. It’s all about the Benjamins, baby.

* But if the money is basically equal, the Yankees are not the the Yankees of five years ago. They don’t always go to the World Series like they used to. There’s a different manager. George Steinbrenner, who was an effective recruiter, isn’t involved. It’s a different atmosphere. They might have to actually be nice.

But in the end, money is what matters.

As for specific players:

CC Sabathia: He could finish his season with 270+ innings on top of 241 in 2008. For those of you who went to a state school, that’s 511 innings over two seasons. Tremendous risk there. But probably worth the risk. If he shows up in spring training with a sore arm, however, don’t act all surprised.

A.J. Burnett: He was great against the Yankees. He was pretty good against everybody else. Don’t forget, he was Toronto’s Carl Pavano for a while, a player they accused of being a dog. I’d be cautious of him. And don’t believe the “He wants to play for the Yankees!” stuff. What do you expect him to say?

Mark Teixeira: No problems here, except for Scott Boras. Well, and you might need someplace for Jorge Posada to play in a year – or sooner.

Derek Lowe: Knows the league, has pitched well, would love to beat the Red Sox. But Boston got rid of him for a reason when they did. They thought he partied too much and wasn’t putting the time in. If the Yankees think he’s changed, he’d fit.

Manny Ramirez: If he plays hard like he did for two months for the Dodgers, sure. You really think he will? Manny’s history is one of basically quitting at certain points and he doesn’t like it when everybody cares who wins the game. It’s also virtually impossible to imagine a Joe Girardi-Manny relationship working out. One guy gets his hair cut every 20 minutes. The other guy once every three years.

Ben Sheets: No, no, a thousand times no. His arm is a ticking time bomb.

Oliver Perez: Boras will put him on the market. A lefty in the new Stadium. He gets his innings. It hurts the Mets. It kind of makes sense, no?

Orlando Hudson: If Cano is traded, you need a second baseman.

Casey Blake: The Yankees could use an actual good, versatile bench player. It’s not Wilson Betemit.

Adam Dunn: If Giambi and Abreu are gone, somebody has to drive in runs. But they should try and keep Bobby. The FA outfield crop isn’t good.

We have a long time before guys can file and start talking with teams. But it’s pretty obvious the Yankees will be buyers. Don’t forget, this is what they have coming off the payroll:

Giambi: $21 million
Abreu: $16 million
Pettitte: $16 million
Mussina: $11 million
Idle: $11 million

That’s $75 million plus a few million for Ensberg, Pudge, Ponson, etc.

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314 Responses to “A few thoughts on free agents”

  1. vinny-b September 30th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    if need be, hand a blank check to CC. Literally.

    side note: this is only if the Yankees wish to win the division/WS next year. If the organization is satisfied with another rebuilding year, then CC should not be signed.

    pick one side, or the other.

  2. Rob L. September 30th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    I’ll take Manny and C.C. and go to war.

  3. Trevor September 30th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Any word on Cashman?

  4. MUDDYWATERS September 30th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    CC and another veteran starter to help make up for the innings limits.

    Teixeira is one I would like to see in pinstripes. Good defense, switch hitter. Production would make up for Giambi being gone.

    Abreu could be signed to a 3 year deal with the idea that once Matsui is gone he could slide into the DH role/ back up OF if needed. One more year of Bobby in right isn’t that bad compared to losing his bat.

    Mussina would be great to get to come back, but it would take him to be willing to go year to year. His brother said he would probably love to come back, that was before he got his 20th win this season though.

    Pettitte is a question. Was this a down year due to work out/ shoulder soreness or a sign of even more pronounced decline to come.

    Hughes performance in the fall will have some bearing on the pitching outlook as well.

  5. SJ44 September 30th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    One other selling point……..the new stadium.

    Players will LOVE the new place.

    As fans, we liked everything about the old stadium because we didn’t have to work in it. Most of the players hated the cramped quarters and lack of amenities.

    The new stadium doesn’t lack for ANY player creature comfort you can think of. From its football field-sized home locker room, to state of the art weightroom and everything in between, I suspect visiting free agents will be commenting how “great” it is.

    Money is definitely #1 on the FA list. However, amenities are second.

    Its just like college recruiting. Facilities matter and the new stadium will be a selling point to players.

  6. Rubin-Bring back The Big G! September 30th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Resign Abreu and Big G for less money than they make now. Hopefully Moose comes back and re-sign him. Resign Pettitte for 8 mill. Get rid of all the other FA, but offer arby to Pudge. He probably wont take it, because I heard he wants a multi-year deal. Try to get CC but make it a point to look at the arm before any deal is final, because what the Brewers did to him worries me.

  7. gayle September 30th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    DOnt forget Farnsworth 5 million is off the books now as well I believe

  8. Wang IS Taiwan September 30th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    It’s lines like these, Pete, that make you so much fun to read:

    “It’s also virtually impossible to imagine a Joe Girardi-Manny relationship working out. One guy gets his hair cut every 20 minutes. The other guy once every three years.”

    :)

  9. John September 30th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Tiexera won’t be a yankee. Sabathia, maybe. If we can convince casey blake to be a utility player, that is a major steal. He might not want to shave that beard though. Trade cano for kemp if you don’t believe in gardner

  10. Josh September 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    AJ burnett would be cy young if all of his starts were vs. the Yankees. His numbers arnt very great vs. everyone else for some reason even though he has the best stuff in the league. i think you Make Joba a starter, and try for CC
    CC
    Wang
    Joba
    Hughes?
    we can somehow trade for a decent number 5 guy. that is not a big worry

  11. Tom September 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    “you might need someplace for Jorge Posada to play in a year – or sooner”

    Jorge could always be moved to DH.

  12. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am

    I like Don Baylor for a coaching spot. I remember him on the Angels and with the Yankees in the mid 80′s. No one could take a fastball to the shoulder like Don. Tough and intimidating at the plate. He had a pretty good career even picking up an MVP in 79′.

    I like coaches who had success in the majors. I just think players are more apt to heed their advice. Especially about hitting. Nothing against the current guys but none of them had the careers of Torre-Mattingly. I just find it hard for a player to take criticism and advice from a guy who couldn’t hit a lick of MLB pitching.

  13. vinny-b (jerry manuel says, "Brett Favre is gangsta!" September 30th, 2008 at 10:27 am

    expect Manny to remain with the dodgers. Haven’t heard Brandon mention anythin lately.

  14. bru September 30th, 2008 at 10:27 am

    if abraeu accepts arbitration at a 20 percent reduction wich the yankees will probably offer he would be a perfect dh for 12.8 million dollars,nady in right,trade matsui.
    burnett,dempster,sheets are too risky and too expensive.it is one thing taking a chance on sabathia but risking 2 big dollar free agents is a huge risk.

    they need to sign one big free agent pitcher and trade cano for a young pitching stud(billingsley type).this might allow them to trade hughes for a center fielder or first baseman and not have to spend huge money on them or keep hughes if they wan’t and try to trade prospects for the two positions.

    i don’t think it is smart to wait on the kids.you always try to make you’re team better using the kids until they prove they are keepers and only joba has proven that.

    the red sox signed a bunch of free agents and traded hanley for becket and it was enough to win the ws,mostly free agents and a trade or two did the trick.

    once pedroia,ellsbury,lester turned into great players they kept them but before they’ve proven themselves they could have easily been traded.

    the yankees should trade cano for a good young pitcher,prospects for a center fielder,prospects for a first baseman.if they wan’t to spend the money on tex fine then they hold the prospects for that particular position and concentrate on center field.

    cano can be replaced.i would only trade him if he can bring in a real good,young pitcher.no sense in trading him for a similar offensive player without upgrading the pitching staff.

    i have this gut feeling that hughes is going to be at least a #2 pitcher or #3 and a good one so i would at least give him one more year.

    if the yankees can trade cano for a pitcher,sign 1 or 2 fa pitchers,trade prospects for a center fielder and or first baseman while keeping hughes i think they win big.

    i also think they can live with gardner in center field and maybe concentrate on first base only.
    tex for 5 yrs/90 million would be nice.

  15. Patrick September 30th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Sabathia: MUST sign in my opinion

    Burnett: The Yankees need more than 1 starting pitcher and Burnett is second on my list. I’d like the Yankees to get Burnett regardless of if they sign Sabathia.

    Sheets: Incredibly talented, incredibly injury-prone. No thanks.

    Teixeira: If his contract demands are reasonable(doubtful) I’d love to have him on the team.

    Lowe: Last time he was in the AL east he had an ERA above 5.00. I don’t want him.

    Ramirez: Never in a million years.

    Perez: Who cares if it hurts the Mets, he is incredibly inconsistent. I want no part of this guy.

    Hudson: If Cano is traded Hudson is a great replacement. I don’t want to trade Cano though…

    Blake: Not a bad option off the bench.

    Dunn: Jack Cust squared. Strike outs, walks and dingers and thats it. I don’t want the guy, the Yankees need more athleticism.

    Abreu: Still a very good hitter but has already shown signs of regression. His fielding is insanely bad and his baserunning now hurts the team more than it helps. His time as a Yankee is hopefully over.

  16. TKinDC September 30th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    I like the idea of getting Casey Blake – seems like a versatile guy with a good attitude.

    Adam Dunn would be a disaster imho. No more lumberjacks at 1st base please.

  17. Betsy September 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ded_a.html

    Sheesh, Brian, you’ve had all year to make up your mind. If you’re intrigued by the mess in Seattle, then by all means go. I understand if you just can’t deal with Hank anymore…..let’s just all move on already.

    I hope Cash comes back, but it’s really not looking good. There are no decent GM prospects out there – the Yankees will be caught flat-footed if Brian leaves.

  18. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Happy New Year (?) September 30th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    I imagine if the Yankees sign Orlando Hudson, like some of my friends are advocating, then that’s a telling sign as to what they plan to do with Canò.

  19. Ari September 30th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Dunn is a better option than Abreu, he strikes out more but walks more and hits for way more power. He is also a better right fielder according to the fielding bible while Abreu is ranked 34 for right fielders in plus/minus.

  20. bdog375 September 30th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    I think it has to be Tex that we sign. We paid Posada money to be a catcher, not a first baseman.

    Texiera is a GOLD GLOVE, switch hitting, first baseman. The two main concerns I see are obviously the money, but also that he is really streaky. He gets a lot of his HRs in multi-homerun games. His defense, though, cannot be forgotten.

  21. MUDDYWATERS September 30th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Remember the contract demands that Boras was making for A-Rod. While in the end the Yankees signed him to a mega-deal, no other team was even showing much interest in shelling out large dollars and years.

    It may be the same with Teixeira. I don’t see him with a 10 year deal, he is good, but not that good. 5 -6 years would be my guess at what he gets in terms of years. The money per year is harder to figure.

    Orioles are not really ready to sign him to build with him, but it would be hard to pass up any chance of getting him. Blue Jays are in need of offense and he might be very tempting for them. Angels probably would want to keep him as reflected by the trade they made to get him as a rental. Red Sox may have big concern over Lowell, slide Youkillis to 3rd and bring in Teixeira and that powers up the lineup fairly well.

    Over all, I think it will be the years that make the deciding factor. With this economy that will be interesting to watch.

  22. Tom September 30th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    I agree with signing a guy like Blake. The yankees need depth. A player such as Blake, Hinske, Nomar(?), Millar, Aurilia, Loretta, maybe even a Jeff Kent. Somebody who will get at most 300-350 abs but be productive. The lack of depth hurt this team early on.

    I said yesterday tha Hank Blaylock, if his option is declined, should be the yanks first base choice. He seems healthy now and he’s young (27). He’d be a better option than kotchman.

  23. TKinDC September 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    “Texiera is a GOLD GLOVE, switch hitting, first baseman. The two main concerns I see are obviously the money, but also that he is really streaky. He gets a lot of his HRs in multi-homerun games. His defense, though, cannot be forgotten.”

    Didn’t Rafeal Palmeiro win a gold glove at first base with under 60 starts in the field (rest were at DH)?

    It is basically a popularity contest, not a legit fielding award imo.

    Boras was talking about a huge, long contract for Tex – I think we have to look elsewhere – a 7+ year deal is not a good idea.

  24. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Sabathia also put in 10+ postseason innings last year. Factor in 7-15 postseason innings this year and you’re talking about 525-535 or so innings over 2 years.

    In his career prior to 2007, there was no THREE year period where he threw as many as 590 innings. He’s taken a huge step up in innings. Watch him pitch these days. Velocity is still there, but he’s been lowering his arm slot and bouncing a lot of his sliders. Those aren’t great signs.

    Just don’t want the Yankees to pay millions for 7 years when they’ll likely get only 3 or 4 really good ones.

  25. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Just a note:

    Isn’t it funny how we discount the Gold Glove when it comes to Derek Jeter for one, but how whenever there’s a player out there that people want to be on the Yankees, the fact that they have a Gold Glove is incredibly important?

    I know Teixeira is a good first baseman, so this is not meant to disparage is abilities. But if the Gold Glove means something for him, then it must mean something for everyone who gets it. Either it’s a measure of skill or it’s a popularity contest. Which is it?

    I’ve heard/read things like, well, the first time a player gets a Gold Glove it means something, but after that, it just kind of goes to the same player year after year after year, and then in the next breath – we should get so-and-so – he’s a gold glove such-and-such. I just find it mildly amusing, is all.

  26. Gardner_CF_2009 September 30th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    If Manny came to the Yanks and gave 50% effort he’d hit .290, 20 HR, and 100 RBI and play a below average outfield. That’s THE BEST you can get out of Abreu. Now if Manny is motivated (to shove it to the Red Sox) he’s capable of .330, 40, 130. Pair that with an “odd year” ARod and we have a potent offense again. Tough call to make but we made the “safe” choices last off-season. Look where that got us.

  27. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    TKinDC -

    See? Case in point. :)

  28. mel September 30th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    From Pete’s article:

    “We never got on a roll offensively,” said first baseman Jason Giambi, a free agent who is unlikely to return. “We’d score 15 runs one day and two the next. It was a strange season.” No, what’s strange is that there was a break in the circuit. What’s strange is that you were only +2 in hits over strikeouts. *$&%*&@!

    “I expect to have the same staff back as of right now,” Girardi said. “But everything will be discussed.” The Girardi bashing is contagious. He didn’t fawn over his staff, he said everything will be evaluated. Jeez guys, give it up.

    Betsy,

    That article you linked is from yesterday. It’s nothing we haven’t heard yet and nothing really from the horse’s mouth. Personally, I find it difficult to believe Brian will leave the Yankees flat-footed or let someone else enjoy the fruits of his labor.

  29. Ty September 30th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    People are actually advocating Dunn? I for one hope the Yankees learned something about their past mistakes. Statistical performance sometimes fails to correspond to “team” success. Been there, done that, don’t wish to go back.

  30. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Really doubt Blake would accept a bench role at this point in his career. Aside from 2006, when he missed time with injury, Blake has been a guy who gets 575 AB’s a season, getting 20 or so homers, 75 rbi, 50-60 ExBh’s a year while hitting around .270. He’s 34 with this one shot at free agency. He ain’t taking bench money or a bench gig. A guy with his versatility and reasonably good production will get a real job from somebody at real job money.

  31. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    I seriously don’t know how anyone could want Manny Ramirez here, or who thinks he would come to NY simply to stick it to the Red Sox. Manny being Manny is amusing from the outside looking in, but when it’s yours to deal with every day, that’s quite a different story.

    I’m reading Summer of ’49. Joe McCarthy was the manager of the Red Sox after having managed the Yankees. Ted Williams was on his team. Joe McCarthy was a stickler for ties. Ted Williams hated them. Joe McCarthy relaxed his rule, even showing up at, I guess it was a press conference, without a tie. Now, I don’t know if it was relaxed just for Ted or for the entire team. But my point is, when someone is as good as Ted Williams is, sometimes the rules can be relaxed.

    Which is my way of saying, if the Yankees really want Ramirez and the only sticking point is the hair, then a compromise is reached. And Ramirez did adjust the length of his locks for Torre and Dodgers.

    However, I don’t think the Yankees want Ramirez, or at least I hope they don’t.

  32. MUDDYWATERS September 30th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Manny talked about how the whole scene with the Red Sox was unenjoyable. He didn’t like the media and the must win attitude. Do you think it would be better in NY? Somehow I tend to doubt it.

    If Torre were still the manager it might have worked with Manny, but given Girardi’s style and manner it would be a horror show.

    No to Manny, for the benefit of both the Yankees and Manny.

  33. Chris498 September 30th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    I don’t think Oliver Perez is a good move at all. That being said, I don’t think Cashman would do it.

    We need to sign a guy like Mussina or Pettitte, and try for a #1 starter. I like Wang as our #1, but you can never have too many good pitchers, cause we all know what happened with our #1 this season.

  34. no.27 September 30th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Right now, the Yankees can have Wang for 30 starts, and Hughes and Joba for 24 each. Assume the Yankees sign CC Sabathia, that leaves one spot in the rotation open with Pettitte or Mussina likely to come back. With Aceves, Kennedy, and Coke are in the minors, they should be able to manage the starts that Joba and Hughes miss because of their innings limits.

    CC
    Wang
    Joba
    Mussina/Pettitte
    Hughes

    No need to sign Burnett, Perez, or Sheets to a big deal if they can put this rotation together. In fact, even if they can’t get CC, I’d rather have Mussina and Pettitte both come back than give a long term deal to one of those guys.

    Also, no reason to save first base for Posada. He’s not a first baseman. If he did play first base, he would be a below average hitter and a below average fielder. Let him catch as much as he can this year and split the rest of the games at DH with Matsui. Matsui leaves next year and Posada the DH spot is wide open for Posada.

  35. Ari September 30th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    “Didn’t Rafeal Palmeiro win a gold glove at first base with under 60 starts in the field (rest were at DH)?
    It is basically a popularity contest, not a legit fielding award imo.
    Boras was talking about a huge, long contract for Tex – I think we have to look elsewhere – a 7+ year deal is not a good idea.”

    Tex has the highest plus minus of any 1B in the Fielding Bible for this past season. He has been a 30 HR, 100 RBI, .370 OBP,.500 SLG guy since his second year. Not only that he is one of the best 3 fielding first baseman in the league. He has great numbers at Yankee stadium. The Yankee first baseman combined for 31 HR,106 RBI, .349 OBP, and .460 SLG, not to mention had one of the worst defensive 1Bs in the game manning the position. So Texiera at his minimum would be responsible for more power, walks, more runs, way better run saving defense, and with A-Rod’s protection could put up a career year. Thats a must sign to me, you pay him what it takes to get him. Don’t give him more than you have to but you pay him.

  36. vinny-b (jerry manuel says, "Brett Favre is gangsta!" September 30th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    the idea of all the money, coming off the books, have to be attractive to Cashman. In addition to the number of 1st Round/2nd Round players NYY will be selecting, in the June draft.

    it basically have everything to do with Hank. And whether Cashman views him as the ‘fly in the ointment’. And if believes he can tolerate Hank’s big mouth.

  37. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Every move going forward hinges on Brian Cashman at this point in time. You can’t make decisions on a coaching staff or anything else, unless you have a GM. So, of course no coaches were fired. Not only that, I don’t believe the Yankees are in “scapegoat” mode. If they make changes, they will be reasoned. IMO.

  38. bru September 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    MUDDYWATERS:

    so help me understand this.you wan’t to march the same team out there except for cc only the players are a year older and expect to compete.

    when are people going to realize that this team needs big changes.younger more cost controlled players like billingsley,votto,kemp,mclouth,volquez.

    yes a lot of the kids might pan out but a few trades should be considered to get this team younger,cheaper and more competitive.

    ask the met’s how adding santanna worked for them.

    you win with a good deep pitching staff first and foremost,good defense and timely hitting.

    you do not need an ace 1-5 just solid 1-5 starters and one or two backup starters.

    most good teams are solid 1,2,3 like becket,dice-k,lester with 2-3 decent pitchers after them.

    joba should be moved to the bullpen.bruney in the 7th,joba,mo is an absolute lethal bullpen.coke,sanchez,aceves should at least be given a look as startes,if they don’t pan out put them in the pen.melancon will be in the mix also or could be used in a trade.

    the yankees should have easily the best and deepest pen in baseball,not even close.if they could at least sign an ace,maybe another solid starter,trade cano for a young pitcher,sign tex or trade prospects for a first baseman,depending on what tex want’s,see if we can get a center fielder by trading minor leaguers,if not go with gardner.

    if we can get a first baseman,center fielder,sign a pitcher or two,trade for a good young pitcher and keep hughes i think we hit the jackpot.

  39. no.27 September 30th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Gold gloves are very often a popularity contest. That’s not the case with Tex. Tex is as good at fielding first base as anyone in the league.

  40. vinny-b (jerry manuel says, "Brett Favre is gangsta!" September 30th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    agreed. Wouldn’t want Manny on the team.

  41. no.27 September 30th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Bru,

    You replace Rasner and Ponson’s starts with Wang and CC and there is no question we make the playoffs.

  42. mel September 30th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    The NY press would be just fine with Manny. Why? Because he’s the anti-Alex. That’s sad, but true. Even when Manny was being Manny, they never tore him to pieces. Only when he wanted out of Dodge, did the press really turn on him. Up until then he was a character, always good for a quote.

    Dodgers are a great fit for him, but no NL team is going to give a player his age the years he wants.

    At the time, I thought Manny dogged his way out of Boston because of money. I’m beginning to think it’s because he really wanted out of Boston.

    Manny really thrives not being in the spotlight all the time, but I can’t see him going to a small market team. That’ll be one of the more interesting storylines of the winter.

    It’ll be hilarious if Manny shows up at the Winter mtgs, though.

  43. Russell NY September 30th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    “I imagine if the Yankees sign Orlando Hudson, like some of my friends are advocating, then that’s a telling sign as to what they plan to do with Canò.”

    Rebecca – would you rather trade Cano for Kemp (really, who else is there) or try him at 1B? Those are your only 2 options if Hudson comes ringing.

  44. Patrick September 30th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Tex is an overrated fielder. He’s good but not great.

  45. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    I’m not so sure it’s as simple as “Hank” for Cashman. It is that there is more than one person, no single boss. You’re constantly in a situation of having to get a majority ruling. That means getting things done takes extra time – wasting precious time possibly. I don’t think it’s Hank’s proclamations to the press, necessarily. Frankly, they can serve as an amusing distraction at this point. But it is difficult to get things done when there are too many people to report to.

  46. Bill Porter September 30th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Oliver Perez: Boras will put him on the market. A lefty in the new Stadium. He gets his innings. It hurts the Mets. It kind of makes sense, no?

    NO!

  47. TKinDC September 30th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    “when are people going to realize that this team needs big changes.younger more cost controlled players like billingsley,votto,kemp,mclouth,volquez.”

    Of course, the teams that currently control these players would be more than happy to send them to the Bronx. :)

  48. TurnTwo September 30th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    if the Yankees didnt already have Posada, Matsui, and Damon as potential DHs, i would take Manny in a second.

  49. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    “Tex is an overrated fielder. He’s good but not great.”

    But he’s better than Giambi. That’s a plus. I actually like Overbay as well. I wonder if TOR would mind parting with him….

  50. mel September 30th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Doreen,

    To be fair, though, no GM has total autonomy.

    Here’s my *Cashman/Teddy* story:

    Cash Daddy: Okay, Teddy. Lights out.

    Teddy: No, daddy. One more book, please?

    Cash Daddy: Sorry, son. I have a lot to do.

    Teddy: Whatch gotta do?

    Cash Daddy: Well, I have to make a big decision. Want to help?

    Teddy: Yes!

    Cash Daddy: Well, I have decide if we’re going to stay here or move. How do you feel about going all the across the country to Seattle?

    Teddy: NO! Those people are mean. They want to beat up their own friends.

    Cash Daddy: (chuckle) Well, how about right down the road to Washington, DC?

    Teddy: NO! The people there are always fighting. Dem’rats always fighting the Pelicans. Can we live in the big white house? Are you going to be President, daddy?

    Cash Daddy: (chuckle) No, Teddy. I want to stay in baseball.

    Teddy: Well, why don’t you stay with the Yankees? I like it here.

    Cash Daddy: Well, Teddy. Maybe I want to build a team. Build a contender.

    Teddy: You can do that here. We finished third. Third place is for losers. You gotta stay and make the team super, duper good. Number one again.

    Cash Daddy: Okay, Teddy. I’ll think about it. You want anything? A glass of water?

    Teddy: No. Just get CC. The really smart people on that blog say give him a blank check.

    Cash Daddy: That’s it. I made my decision. We’re moving.

  51. GGTM September 30th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Pete, you really think Manny had that mop cut just 3 years back? LOL

  52. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    For all the reasons Ari points out Texeira makes too much sense to pass on, regardless of cost. Being the high bidder does not necessarily mean you overpaid.

    Without Giambi and Abreu, the Yankee offense next year will be significantly less potent than it was even this year and for sure than in the years previous to this past year.

    If you sign Tex, then you can afford to at least inquire into a deal centered around Cano and Kemp, and then picking up someone to play 2B like Hudson or Ellis. I have my doubts that the Dodgers do the deal, but if you could, then you have a perfect situation in 2010 when you could slot AJax into CF and move Kemp to RF.

    The difference in runs allowed swapping Giambi and Abreu for Texeira and Nady will be enormous, making our pitchers look that much better.

  53. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    “You replace Rasner and Ponson’s starts with Wang and CC and there is no question we make the playoffs.”

    Not with the God awful offense we had. However, I think part of our offensive struggles were because the hitters had no faith in the pitching and therefore pressed at the plate. I’d like to believe that they would have been more relaxed with Wang and CC on the hill.

  54. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    mel -

    True enough, I suppose. But sibling stuff?

    I saw your Cash Bedtime Story. Cute!

  55. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    “I have my doubts that the Dodgers do the deal, but if you could, then you have a perfect situation in 2010 when you could slot AJax into CF and move Kemp to RF.”

    The only way the Dodgers part with Kemp is if they are as frustrated with him as we are with Cano. That being said, I think that the Yankees should and will hold on to Cano at least for one more season. If he pulls this crap again next year, then it’s time to try and deal him (if you can find anyone to take him).

  56. Bob(The Original) September 30th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Derek Lowe? No thanks.

    Guy has legit mental issues.

    Not to mention he’s kind of an a**hole.

    There was big todo a year or two ago in LA too because he was cheating on his wife with one of the Kimberly Jones type person for the Dodgers network.

  57. mel September 30th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Doreen,

    I think Jennifer needs to take control of that one. Her job title could be: Vice President of Fraternal Affairs or Vice President in charge of Hank Steinbrenner.

  58. Patrick September 30th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    “Without Giambi and Abreu, the Yankee offense next year will be significantly less potent than it was even this year and for sure than in the years previous to this past year.”

    This argument is getting really old. Replacing that production is a full year of Nady, Posada and Matsui. Its also reasonable to assume that Cano plays up to his potential in 2009.

  59. lardin September 30th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    I would sign lowe and Brunett and Hudson, and TRY, I say try because i have no idea if they would do it but I would try t create a deal around Cano for Sizemore, Its not an even swap so more players would have to be in the deal, but its worth exploring.

  60. MUDDYWATERS September 30th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    bru, according to your own post at 10:27, that is what YOU are advocating, not me.

    Signing Mussina and Pettitte to one year deals isn’t a terrible thing and it helps to allow the young arms time to develop more, rather than rushing them.

    Abreu in RF and signed to a 3 year deal would allow for him to be DH once Matsui and Damon leave at the end of their contract. This allows time for Jackson to develop and come up when ready rather than when needed unless injuries change the plan.

    Like it or not, the coming year is still somewhat transistional.

    You advocate dumping/ trading Cano – a young player, and then what?

    The team needs are 1st base, CF (possibly unless they go with platoon), RF, SP. Catcher is another question mark till Posada comes back and that won’t be known till Spring Training.

    Abreu is consistent with his batting. Adding Teixeira who is still fairly young makes up for the runs produced from 1st base.

    Joba should be where ever the Yankees feel he can handle. Its stupid to pigeon-hole him in the bullpen if he can be a starter.

    CC, Wang, Joba/Hughes, Mussina, Pettitte is just the kind of rotation you are advocating. Keeps veteran presence on the mound while the younger arms have a chance to develop.

  61. Ariel September 30th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Abreu makes sense only as a DH, if at all. His fielding by any measure is horrible..for those who really “watch the game”, it’s obvious, for those who don’t, check the Sabermetics scores and ratings, or read Baseball Prospectus or other statistically oriented publications/sites….the numbers are absolutely frightening but do confirm that which is visible especially when Booby is within 15 feet of a “wu wu wallll”. It was interesting to review the articles and blogs from his Phillie days…only the dates and uniforms are different.

    As a DH, the problem is, too, too many DH types (over the hill, marginal at best defensively at their original positions…Matsui, Damon, Posada (tho he will argue to the contrary). We are paying the price for abysmal personnel planning. But what else is new?

    As a pure DH, sometimes platooned, he would be a very good choice, provided his self-focussed goals, which have been well-documented, do not continue to influence the younger more impressionable players (read…Cano). I would not sign him even for one year as the negatives far outweigh the positives.

  62. Bob(The Original) September 30th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    but I would try t create a deal around Cano for Sizemore

    LOL

    Right, Cleveland is gonna trade Sizemore.

    Can we at least try to be somewhat realisitic here people?

  63. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Happy New Year (?) September 30th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Russell: If it’s up to me, I don’t trade Canò at all. Right now, if you do, you’re selling him way, way low and as good as Matt Kemp might be, the general idea is that this team’s supposed to be getting younger.

  64. mel September 30th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    How old is Cano? Not everyone is as mature as Derek was when he came up.

    If he can recognize (he has) that there’s a problem and address it, that’s all you can ask. But don’t expect to field a team consisting of Jeters and A-rods.

    It just takes longer for some guys to take their games seriously. Robi may be at that turning point, now that he realizes he’s on notice.

  65. reacher September 30th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    “Dumping” Cano would be an incredibly stupid mistake.

  66. frits September 30th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    cano for sizemore…lol

  67. harwood September 30th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    “But if the money is basically equal, the Yankees are not the the Yankees of five years ago.”

    I disagree Pete.

    We missed one year. This team will be revamped and its probably what Moose is waiting to see happen before he commits to coming back. The draw of the Yankees for the last decade aside from the money was not a free ride to the playoffs. It was an ownership that did everything they could to win. Players arent looking to get carried. But they are looking for an ownership that isnt just going to rebuild though out their entire prime.

  68. harwood September 30th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Cano isnt going anywhere.

  69. Chris in Philly September 30th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    One thing I can’t stop thinking about is the swing of that Dice-K signing from last year: Yanks missing him, Sox adding him. He’s wild as hell, but put up 15 and 18 win seasons, and this year had a 2.90 ERA despite his walks. In 18 bases loaded situations: zero hits allowed.

    I know Peter last year believed this was not a good signing (for the money – as if it was our freaking money!) but man would that have turned the tide in the division, or what??

  70. Tom September 30th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Bench guys the yanks should consider.

    Blake-would he accept a bench role?
    Hinske-could play 1b, Rf, Dh. Has power.
    Jerry Hairston Jr-more of a UTL role.
    Juan Rivera-OF/1b type.
    Willie Bloomquist-No power to speak of but plays everywhere–think Joe Mcewing(sp)
    Greg Norton-same as J. Rivera
    Kevin Millar-just a thought
    Nomar-also just a thought.
    Mark Loretta-solid contact hitter.
    Rich Aurilia

  71. Ariel September 30th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    It may be energizing to speculate as to potential trades but reason should override rampant wishing. Sizemore?? Shapiro would be run out of Cleveland for good reason if it became known he was even thinking about it for one moment.

    My “wish” is for Christopher Davis to fill the first base void..is it possible that Nolan Ryan would entertain a proposal for some of our AA pitching prospects?…Yes Is it probable?…No.

  72. vinny-b (jerry manuel says, "Brett Favre is gangsta!" September 30th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    doreen:

    Cashman basically had autonomy until Hank/Hal entered the picture. All information indicates, Hal and Cashman are like minded and on the same page.

    would expect from Cashman’s view, Hank is the potential problem. The keg of dynamite sitting in the corner (in the mold of his father)

  73. Tom September 30th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    “This argument is getting really old. Replacing that production is a full year of Nady, Posada and Matsui. Its also reasonable to assume that Cano plays up to his potential in 2009.”

    Also a healthy Jeter would be a great addition to any lineup.

  74. Patrick September 30th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Chris Davis is too one dimensional. He’s not a good fielder and he strikes out a LOT. He hits for a ton of power but thats about it.

  75. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Who’s the guy on the Phillies that it took a while for the lightbulb to go off in his head? Rollins? Utley? I don’t remember which, but I remember reading about how one of the Phillies’ younger players was fairly immature, but finally got it.

    Well, with the talent that Cano has, you take what he did the final two weeks after the season after his situation pretty much came to a head with his benching, and you take Cano into next season with you. His talent is worth the risk; some people take longer to mature than others.

    The Yankees have a lot of proof to show him this year (the 8-game streak after the ASB and the final couple of weeks of the season) that he is essential to the making this team click offensively.

  76. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Gold Gloves are suspect IMO. Abreu has one and I’d be real interested in seeing who he beat out!

    Sometimes I think they just give them out based on some flashy plays. For instance Jeter has 3.

    1. For “The Flip”
    2. For “The Dive”
    3. bonus award for tappin some major Hollywood bootay.

  77. 86w183 September 30th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    For the most part I agree with Pete on the FA possibilities except for the inane reference to Posada as a future 1B. Anyone who has been aorund the game as long as he is should know that ocnverting an aging catcher to 1B is a recipe for disaster.

    AJ Burnett had four horrible starts this year. In those he was 0-4 with an ERA of about 12…. in his 28 other starts he was 18-6 with an ERA below 3:00…. so to say he was mediocre against everyone other than the Yankees is misusing stats to be a point that is misleading.

    The wear and tear on CC is a concern, but that’s a guy I’d take a chance on. If you watch him late in games its pretty much fastballs and changeups… he wisely eliminates breaking pitches when his pitch count is up. He really knows what he is going out there.

    Whether or not to sign two FA pitchers comes down to an accurate assessment of Joba’s shoulder. There was a story this morning (NY Post?) about Joba’s shoulder being tight in Fenway the other night. You just gotta wonder if he’s built for starting. Whatever the verdict it needs to be made ASAP.

    Abreu cannot be signed multi year. Giambi cannot be signed multi-day altohugh I’d love it if he’s take me and a bunch of my friends out for an expensive dinner.

    Let’s ease up on Orlando Hudson. He’s about to turn 31, is not appreciably better defensively and is looking for $ 10 M a year. I say keep Cano and hope he’s the guy we saw down the stretch from this point forward.

    Depending on circumstances a one-year deal with Lowe has some merit… it seems he’s matured from the party boy the Red Sox got rid of.

  78. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    “We missed one year”

    People don’t sign on to be 1st round fodder.

    The Yankees have not been a legit title contender since ’04. Since then, they’ve been a “made for the regular season” team that’s been exposed when the playoffs come around.

  79. mel September 30th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Chris in Philly,

    I’m amazed at the difference between last season’s Daisuke and this season’s.

    But I can’t put that one on the Yankees. No one knew that the Red Sox were going to outbid the nearest bidder by almost $20M.

    Yes, it helped them win the WS last year, but Lester coming back, Beckett being the big-game pitcher he always is, and Papi/Manny coming up big in the playoffs really won it for them.

  80. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    vinny b -

    Hank can’t do anything by himself, so that’s why I think he’s not the biggest problem, or rather, his “volatility” is not the biggest problem.

    I think it may be the working relationship that Hank and Hal have. Whatever that relationship is.

    On the outside looking in, of course.

  81. frits September 30th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    no no no on cano. the *#&$^@& jerk has a good two weeks to end the season, he finally decides to get his head out of his @$$, and all of a sudden everyone wants to “take that into 09″.

    screw that. he’s a professional, and he had all year to turn it on. trade him to a team that values him near 2007 levels, and wash your hands of a kid who gets a four year contract and decides to mail in an ENTIRE SEASON.

  82. Ariel September 30th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Unfortunately, the dynasty ended with the last pitch in Phoenix in 01 (as Buster Olney pointed out in his work of that title). The 03 Series appearance was a bounce off the 02 low, with subsequent years each reaching further lows culminating this year in a total miss…..

  83. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Cano managed to get his average over .270 at the end of the season. That’s way down from the .325+ he should be at, but it shows that he was making progress at the very end.

  84. frits September 30th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    aaaand for the record, the team that might value him near 2007 would be the dodgers.

  85. Tom September 30th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Chris in Philly:
    Yu Darvish may be posted this year. Not sure he’d be dice-k but who knows….can’t be as bad as dunce-KEI

  86. vin September 30th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    “It may be energizing to speculate as to potential trades but reason should override rampant wishing. Sizemore?? Shapiro would be run out of Cleveland for good reason if it became known he was even thinking about it for one moment.”

    True, but everything has a price – If the offer was Cano, Hughes and Coke Shapiro was at least have to mull it over. No doubt it would be bad PR… but they traded CC for prospects (albeit good ones). Maybe they are in a rebuilding mode – one that is more about getting young ML ready players so they can still be competitive this year.

  87. Bob(The Original) September 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Chris Davis is too one dimensional. He’s not a good fielder and he strikes out a LOT. He hits for a ton of power but thats about it.

    I disagree. They guy is capable in the field. He was even playing third a bit this year.

    And why does everyone get so hung up on strikeouts? Sure it’s not ideal, but it isn’t the huge negative so many people think it is.

    I would take Chris Davis on the Yanks in a heartbeat. He is gonna be a stud. No chance the Rangers deal him. More likely they’ll be shopping Blalock.

  88. frits September 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    the indians are not trading grady sizemore. stop talking about it. its insane.

  89. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    “Let’s ease up on Orlando Hudson. He’s about to turn 31, is not appreciably better defensively and is looking for $ 10 M a year. I say keep Cano and hope he’s the guy we saw down the stretch from this point forward.”

    If people are intent on trading Cano, a guy like Mark Ellis, who may well be the AL’s best defensive 2B, might be the way to go. As a hitter, he’s pretty ordinary, but he’s a better glove than Cano and he’d be a lot less expensive than Hudson.

  90. Patrick September 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Joba needs every opportunity to start. He’s made it clear that he wants to be a starter and he’s proven he can be successful there. One case of shoulder tendinitis doesn’t prove that he should be in the bullpen. Many pitchers have dealt with shoulder tendinitis. If the issue persists then maybe a move should be considered but not before then.

  91. Bob(The Original) September 30th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    True, but everything has a price – If the offer was Cano, Hughes and Coke Shapiro was at least have to mull it over. No doubt it would be bad PR… but they traded CC for prospects (albeit good ones). Maybe they are in a rebuilding mode – one that is more about getting young ML ready players so they can still be competitive this year.

    Stop it.

    Cleveland is not in a rebuilding mode. They are a legit WS contender next season.

  92. Ariel September 30th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Frits, it’s not going to happen. Sometimes younger players, for a variety of reasons stray from the beaten path. Cano did; has he come back? Not yet. Is he on his way? Appears to be. Kevin Long will soon be on his way to the DR to continue to work with him on his revamped “noiseless” stance and swing to make sure he stays on that path.

    IMO, other steps should be taken to rid the team of those influences that are negative and do affect him.

  93. pat September 30th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Depending on who was behind Kevin Long working with Robbie in the DR in the off season, it either says the team is putting Robbie on notice that he needs to step up or Robbie has decided to take this baseball thing a little more seriously. The more likely scenario is a combination of the 2.

  94. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    frits,

    You see Cano as having mailed it in. I see an immature player who continued to get down on himself when the hitting was no longer coming as easily as it had, to the point of being too frustrated to get himself out of it. The lower the number (BA) got, the more frustrated he became. That’s immaturity.

    We have the indication that he worked with Kevin Long. We see that he was ultimately convinced to try something new in a game situation. We saw the success of that. But more importantly, he saw the success of that.

    I just think it’s too early to give up on this kid.

  95. Tom September 30th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    after next year Cliff Lee is a FA.

  96. Ari September 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    “Tex is an overrated fielder. He’s good but not great.”

    He is so not great, just that he has been one of the top 3 fielding 1B since 2005. The plus minus does not lie.

    Really how can people be against Adam Dunn but be for Abreu, when Dunn is the better offensive and defensive player.Their salaries will probably be comparable given that GMs don’t want to give Dunn the big money because of the strikeouts.

  97. vinny-b (jerry manuel says, "Brett Favre is gangsta!" September 30th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    would be interesting, to see how much Yu Darvish would post for.

  98. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    “True, but everything has a price – If the offer was Cano, Hughes and Coke Shapiro was at least have to mull it over. No doubt it would be bad PR… but they traded CC for prospects (albeit good ones).”

    Sabathia situation is not comparable. He was traded because he was headed to free agency and the Tribe knew they couldn’t sign him to a contract. Sizemore is signed thru 2012….and signed cheaply (Tribe will pay him a shade over $26M over the next 4 seasons).

  99. pat September 30th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    “IMO, other steps should be taken to rid the team of those influences that are negative and do affect him.”

    What are those things? Are you really sure they exist?

  100. frits September 30th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    it may be too early to give up on cano as a player, an MLB player, but it may not be worth another year of hassle if he pulls the same “oh, i can’t hit in april or may” BS that he has pulled two years running.

    that’s why i think if we can move him for anything near his 2007 value, we do it. enough with the headcases, the babies, the immature whiners. we need grinders, players that come ready to play, players that dont have to be coddled, cajoled, begged to do their job, to play with effort, to act professionally. players that are happy and proud to put on the pinstripes, not *#&$^@ who think they deserve it.

  101. Mike September 30th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    My hope is that Cashman has something else up his sleeve for the offseason. With all the middle relief arms we have in the majors and coming up through the pipeline and the dearth of options other teams have at that position. Cashman has spent the past three years building up arms in the system, now is the time to get some players.

    CC would be ideal and we’ll probably back up the truck to get him here.

    I’d like to see Burnett too, because I think he thrives in a bigger game situation. Take a look at his stats against the top tier teams in the AL. He dials it up a notch against the Red Sox and Yankees, as well as the Rays this year. However, we’ll have to suffer through a couple of stinkers against the Orioles and possibly Royals of the world.

    A rotation next year of: CC, Wang, Joba, Pettitte, Burnett and Hughes taking some of the innnings off Joba would be ideal.

    Starters:
    CC- 240 innings
    Wang- 220 innings
    Pettite- 200 innings
    Burnett- 200 innings
    Joba- 135 innings
    Hughes- 135 innings

    Relivers:
    Mo
    Coke/Marte
    Melancon
    Bruney
    Sanchez
    Aceves/Giese/someone else

    With that scenario you’d have 7 innings from each pitcher over a 162 game season, which is very optimistic, but it would be a bad scenario and it would probably be one of the top rotations in baseball.

  102. harwood September 30th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Id like to see us trade for David Wright.

    The Mets are in shambles and looking to shake things up. Fatscessa was laying alot of blame on him. His stock is low. Omar is a mental midget. Grab him now and throw him in 1st base. The move will be good for him and us. He will go from Arod of a team to Bobby Abreu of a team. He puts up great numbers with all that stress on a NY team. It would be a huge move.

  103. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    pat -

    Thanks for saying that ^^^^. I’m sittng here thinking the same thing.

  104. Tom September 30th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    If i remember correctly, Cano was projected to move to the OF as he matured.

  105. bru September 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    no.27
    September 30th, 2008 at 11:03 am
    Bru,

    You replace Rasner and Ponson’s starts with Wang and CC and there is no question we make the playoffs

    i agree we sneak into the playoffs,maybe the wild card but last time i checked cc was not on the team,our center field production was near last if not last in baseball,giambi made 22.4 million dollars and played a lowsy defense.

    this team needs more than sabathia,maybe not much more but more.

  106. vin September 30th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    “Cleveland is not in a rebuilding mode. They are a legit WS contender next season.”

    I’m sure they’re not going to trade him, but everyone has a price. It’s not like we’re talking about Pujols or Jeter. Also, I don’t see them as a WS contender with that rotation – Cliff Lee was great this year, but can he sustain – Carmona went from bad to great to bad in 3 years.

    I’m definitely not one for crazy trade talk, but sometimes guys get dealt that you wouldn’t expect.

  107. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    “players that are happy and proud to put on the pinstripes, not *#&$^@ who think they deserve it.”

    How does this describe Cano? Where does this misnomer come from about Cano thinking he deserves the world? This is just something fans made up.

  108. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    frits -

    Cano never said he can’t hit in April. In fact, last season, he was determined to start off quickly because he was very disappointed in his slow start the previous April. I think he wanted to prove those who were saying he couldn’t hit in April wrong. He was extremely hot at the end of spring training. Then he tailed off (hugely). It was not for lack of effort and it certainly wasn’t, “well, you know, I can’t hit in April.”

    Things get written in the papers and said over the airwaves, and over time, they seem to become absolute truths.

  109. frits September 30th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Laura – it describes cano insofar as he thinks its ok to put up a disgusting season immediately after getting a contract. but that was really more directed at one ian patrick kennedy.

    vin – with sizemore, his value, his unique contract status, his production at a premium position, his role on that team, his age, etc., you really are talking about pujols quality.

  110. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    “The Mets are in shambles and looking to shake things up. Fatscessa was laying alot of blame on him. His stock is low. Omar is a mental midget. Grab him now and throw him in 1st base. The move will be good for him and us. He will go from Arod of a team to Bobby Abreu of a team. He puts up great numbers with all that stress on a NY team. It would be a huge move.”

    Okay, people – let’s get off of the “insane trade proposal” ledge. The Mets aren’t trading Wright to us anymore than CLE is trading Sizemore. What’s next? BOS wants to swap Cano for the Hobbitt?

  111. mel September 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Cano’s worst enemy is himself. Girardi was quite candid about Robi, wanted to keep it inhouse but let it “slip” that Robi sometimes had “confidence” issues. Perfectly understandable for a young, developing player.

    Cano may be smooth, but he’s certainly not polished yet.

    Girardi gets a bad rap, but I think he’s going to be great with the younger guys.

    As far as the Yankees’ luster tarnishing. True to a certain extent. But there will still be lots of players who want to don the ‘stripes. They pay’s not too shabby, either. Don’t believe in bribing anyone to come here against their better judgement, though.

  112. Patrick September 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    You guys are getting ridiculous. Trade for Wright, trade for Sizemore? Might as well propose a trade for Hanley Ramirez, Ryan Braun, Tim Lincecum, Albert Pujols and Joe Mauer!

  113. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    harwood,

    Not speaking to the truth or falsity of it, but one of the things Francessa was saying was that Wright is not clutch. He had a Delgado, a Reyes and a Beltran in that lineup with him. They’re not too shabby. I don’t think he would do anything different in the Bronx than he did in Queens. Which could be a good thing, or not, depending on whether or not you believe he is “clutch.”

    He’s certainly a good player and a good guy.

  114. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    “Laura – it describes cano insofar as he thinks its ok to put up a disgusting season immediately after getting a contract. but that was really more directed at one ian patrick kennedy.”

    Again, where is the proof of this? How do you know how Robbie felt about his horrible season this year? You don’t. You are making assumptions that are not based in fact. That’s not fair to Cano. Your point on IPK is well taken as we’ve actually heard the words come out of his mouth. However, I have yet to hear Robbie say anything close to resembling this.

  115. Quilvio Imposter September 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Give CC the option of DH’ing twice a week. That way, he can hit even more than he does in the NL. Also remove this stupid candy rule.

    Show him the new stadium and send A-Rod, Jeter, Posada out to San Francisco this winter to try and lure him here.

    Sell our souls to get him.

  116. Stephen September 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    “Grab him now and throw him in 1st base.”

    One major problem this team needs to get away from is “throwing” people at first base.

    Damon? Sure. Sheffield? Why not. Now it’s Matsui and Posada. Has this team forgotten what great defensive first basemen like Mattingly and Tino bring to the overall team defense? I realize Posada might have to play first out of necessity, but I’m tired of throwing people at first base who don’t have another position to play.

  117. frits September 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    i’m making assumptions that cano is in control of his performance.

  118. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    “Where does this misnomer come from about Cano thinking he deserves the world?’

    It’s a misconception rather than a misnomer.

    I think people may have watched him play this year and arrived at that conclusion. Even his manager arrived at that conclusion….only he was 4 months late in doing so.

    Doesn’t mean he thinks he “deserves the world”. Doesn’t change the fact he had a really poor season either. Something wasn’t right, and I think his attitude was at least a small part of it.

  119. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    mel -

    I agree – I don’t want players who have to be cajoled to come here if they’re being pulled elsewhere.

    Tom Glavine, I believe, was an exception – he was skeptical about coming to NY (even though it was the Mets and not teh Yankees, it’s still NYC) and was won over and did very well here, making the adjustments. But he’s a pretty down-to-earth guy.

  120. Hughes 12-6 Curve September 30th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Sabathia may be only free agent starting pitcher that the Yankees need to acquire. If Mussina and Pettite return, you would have:
    Wang
    Sabathia
    Moose
    Pettitte
    Hughes
    And possibly Joba a little later on in the season. I personally prefer having Marte/Coke/Joba/Mo for 6-9 when available.

    Abreu needs to come back. His RISP is decent, especially for the Yankees this season. Speaking of RISP, Nady needs to return.

  121. harwood September 30th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    The Mets dont have a farm. They are going to trade one of their big 3 this offseason.

  122. 86w183 September 30th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    The Indians are NOT trading Sizemore unless someone grossly overpays. Why the hell would the Yanks want to do that? Cano, Hughes AND Coke? For a .279 hitter? absurd!

    Fredo— good call on Mark Ellis. He’s a great guy, solid second baseman and excellent situational hitter and his price tag would be reasonable. I’m not in favor of dealing Cano, however unless a MLB ready starting pitcher or outfielder is the return.

    Everything begins to take shape once decisions are made on or by Pettite, Mussina, Abreu and Joba. All speculation before then is rather idle (and I LOVE idle speculation) because the priorities/resources will change dramatically.

  123. frits September 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    lets also stop slotting hughes into the rotation for 09. we made that mistake in 08, and look how it turned out. i’m not saying he’s not going to be great, i’m not saying he’s not a good guy, or a good pitcher, but i think we need to go into 09 not relying on hughes to give us 150 IP

  124. pat September 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Doreen

    You’re welcome. Unlicensed psychoanalysis of someone you’ve never met is a pet peave of mine.

  125. Gary September 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    They don’t come any more versatile than Ty Wigginton. He can be called upon for all IF positions and both corner OF positions.
    Around the .275 range with some adequate power and will soon be 31.

    Proper Name: Ty Allen Wigginton

    Born on: October 11, 1977

    Birthplace: San Diego, CA, USA

    Resides in: , ,

    Height: 6.0

    Weight: 200 lbs.

    Nick Name:

    Pronounced: WIG-in-ton

    Bats: R

    Throws: R

    Pos: 3B

    College: UNC-Asheville
    Age: 30

    Service Time: 3.169

    Agent:

    Signed thru:

    2008 season

    Free Agent After:

    2009 season

    Contract:
    signed deal for 2008 season worth $4.35M on 1/18/08- + he can earn performance bonuses- + 2007 salary: $2.7M (+ fewer than $200K was likely paid by HOU), 2006: $675K (+ $75K in performance bonuses), 2005: $342K

  126. X-Mann September 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Do we really want CC if he doesn’t want to be here?

    I understand if he has some misconceptions about NY (like Molina, Nady etc. did) and he is more amenable to NY if we clear them up for him, but if he is dead set against NY and will only come here if we offer significantly more (by significant, I mean 40-50% more) money than LAD or LAA?

    Get guys who genuinely want to be here, why put CC above the team like that? Do we really want more mercenaries here? Atleast Clemens, Giambi etc. wanted to be here. CC by all accounts doesn’t.

  127. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" September 30th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Id like to see us trade for David Wright.

    The Mets are in shambles and looking to shake things up. Fatscessa was laying alot of blame on him. His stock is low. Omar is a mental midget. Grab him now and throw him in 1st base. The move will be good for him and us. He will go from Arod of a team to Bobby Abreu of a team. He puts up great numbers with all that stress on a NY team. It would be a huge move.

    Sometimes I play the lottery and in life I take it as a lottery and baseball trades are like playing the lotto, it’s either that or I’m high.

  128. Bob(The Original) September 30th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Yeah, Wright is the Mets problem.

    We could probably get him for Aceves and Coke.

    Then we could trade Veras and Damon for Lincecum.

    Trade Cano and Gardner for Sizemore.

    After that package Edwar, Melky, and Ransom for Utley.

  129. patrick max September 30th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Reyes for Grady Sizemore?

  130. bubba September 30th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Blalock is a relatively inexpensive option if it doesn’t work out with Tex. He was really on a roll at the end of the season.

  131. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    “CC by all accounts doesn’t.”

    That is the issue. We don’t really know this to be true. Until CC actually comes out and says “I don’t want to play on the East Coast”, this is all conjecture by the media and fans.

  132. harwood September 30th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    “Do we really want CC if he doesn’t want to be here?”

    Its called negotiating. You know what? Even if he doesnt want to be here yes I want him here. If he totally dogs it and doesnt play for us fine we trade him not like he doesnt have value. But its just a negotiating tactic. CC has been working the rumors and started his contract negotiations with the Yankees since last season. He’s coming here and hes going to love it.

  133. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" September 30th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Reyes for Grady Sizemore?

    They do that they should be institutionalized.

  134. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    I’d like to see one reasonable argument that taking Giambi’s and Abreu’s bats out of the lineup and replacing them with league average hitters will not harm the offense.

    Even if Posada is back at catcher, or Jeter hits better, or Cano amazes (and there is a lot of downside risk there, don’t kid yourself), the offense will still be worse without Giambi and Abreu if we don’t get at least one big hitter to replace them.

  135. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    “After that package Edwar, Melky, and Ransom for Utley.”

    You forgot sending Ian Kennedy to STL for Pujols.

  136. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Posada was an infielder who was converted to a catcher so a transition to 1st could be easier than expected.

    On the other hand Posada is an incredible athlete and I think he’s coming back in a big way and as a full time catcher. If anything, the fact that he’s basically missed this year adds some time to his shelf life as a catcher. And if the Yanks pick up a 1st baseman and Jorge can’t catch in 2 years, he can always be full time DH/back up catcher/1B.

    And as I sort of got sidetracked in my previous post thinking about Jeters harem, my point was supposed to be that Teixeira’s gold gloves seem legit. That guy can play his position. He would be the best 1B they’ve had since Donnie.

    Get Tex. Hurray!

    Resign Abreu. Hmmm but whatever. The gut can hit and he’s generally pretty healthy.

    Keep Cano. But have a coaching plan with him

    Give Gardner a shot at CF. he seemed to be adjusting. Can’t tell if he’ll ever hit a HR albeit maybe an inside the parker!

    Ransom as utility infielder.

    Sign some righty power for the bench than can play left occasionally.

    We should be alright on offense. i don’t think its necessarily the amount of runs but rather the ability to score when needed or the timing of runs that determines ultimate success. Look at the Angels.

  137. vtred September 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    The players have basically all lobbied for Burnett, but there has really been nothing about CC. Maybe they know something we don’t. Even when they talked off the record they embraced Burnett.

  138. Russell NY September 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    “After that package Edwar, Melky, and Ransom for Utley.”

    lol. speechless

  139. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    I think we all give these guys far too much credit.

    One – thinking they have total control over their performances. (I’ll save myself and turn it on in June.)

    Two – thinking they’re mature enough to make the necessary adjustments to improve their performances. (Both Cano and IPK have resisted, because they stubbornly felt they should continue to do what got them there)

    It’s a process. They’re not fully formed. This is the first time Cano has REALLY had to go through adversity. Pretty much same with IPK. When things come easily to people, they really don’t always know how to deal with it, and yes, sometimes they have just enough ego to resist attempts by other people to “fix” them.

    As you can see I’m an advocate of patience. Perhaps I’m a tad naive in some cases. But as I said before, I think Cano made a major leap in his maturation process, albeit late in the season, by finally succumbing to the pleas of his manager and coaches to do something different.

    How IPK adjusts remains to be seen. Some cockiness is a good thing, but it has to be channeled properly, and somebody needs to coach that boy on what (not) to say in interviews, for sure!

    I also think signing the contract put MORE pressure on Cano, not take pressure off.

  140. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    “I’d like to see one reasonable argument that taking Giambi’s and Abreu’s bats out of the lineup and replacing them with league average hitters will not harm the offense.”

    You won’t get an argument from me. I’ve been saying for a long time now that these people who are so quick to throw Abreu to the curb are dreaming if they think we won’t miss him in the lineup. Unless you get a big bat at 1B, you have to keep Abreu.

  141. vin September 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    “vin – with sizemore, his value, his unique contract status, his production at a premium position, his role on that team, his age, etc., you really are talking about pujols quality.”

    OK, last comment on this (I promise):

    My only point is that everyone has a price… as long as the price is commensurate with the player’s value. The discussion would be ridiculous if it was Grady for Phil Coke – which is the type of ridiculousness we’ve all seen on here in the past. OK, topic closed.

  142. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    “On the other hand Posada is an incredible athlete and I think he’s coming back in a big way and as a full time catcher”

    Incredible athlete???? Did he have the piano surgically removed from his back???

    He’s slow as molasses. Guys who are slow as molasses ain’t great athletes.

    He’s an outstanding hitter, a great leader, and a decent catcher. Let’s leave it at that.

  143. Bob(The Original) September 30th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    The players have basically all lobbied for Burnett, but there has really been nothing about CC. Maybe they know something we don’t. Even when they talked off the record they embraced Burnett.

    That’s because none of them can hit him.

    I personally don’t think he’s worth the risk given his history and the amount of money it would take.

    Always leary of guys with histories of milking injuries and inconsistency who all the sudden have a monster season in a contract year.

  144. Ari September 30th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    “You won’t get an argument from me. I’ve been saying for a long time now that these people who are so quick to throw Abreu to the curb are dreaming if they think we won’t miss him in the lineup. Unless you get a big bat at 1B, you have to keep Abreu.”

    If we get the guy who is superior to him in pretty much every regard that is Adam Dunn then throw him to the curve. I rather have Dunn in right than a deteriorating Bobby Abreu.

  145. jax gmen September 30th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    we should have just let a-rod walk and signed mike lowell

    but thats what happens when a horse breeder who doesn’t know anything about baseball tries to get involved with baseball.

  146. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    “Blalock is a relatively inexpensive option if it doesn’t work out with Tex. He was really on a roll at the end of the season.”

    Texas will pick up the option…then maybe trade him. They won’t let him go for nothing.

  147. First base September 30th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Plan A : Mark Teixeira through free agency

    Plan B : Casey Kotchman though trade.

    Plan C : Adam LaRoche through trade.

  148. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Happy New Year (?) September 30th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Why on earth would the Indians trade Sizemore?

    This year was a disappointment for them, but for all the problems the Indians have, Sizemore isn’t one of them.

    And Shapiro isn’t exactly a bad GM. Yeah, he traded CC–and he got Matthew LaPorta in return.

  149. vinny-b (jerry manuel says, "Brett Favre is gangsta!" September 30th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    “harwood
    September 30th, 2008 at 11:58 am
    Its called negotiating. You know what? Even if he doesnt want to be here yes I want him here. If he totally dogs it and doesnt play for us fine we trade him not like he doesnt have value. But its just a negotiating tactic. CC has been working the rumors and started his contract negotiations with the Yankees since last season. He’s coming here and hes going to love it.”

    you right.

    if NYY doesn’t wish to rebuild next year, then CC is a must-sign. He is not a luxury.

  150. Bob(The Original) September 30th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    we should have just let a-rod walk and signed mike lowell

    If you want to argue the Yanks shouldn’t have given the contract they did to A-Rod, fine, there is some merit to that argument.

    But Lowell? Really? How’s he working out for the Red Sox this year. Is he even gonna be on the PS roster?

  151. 86w183 September 30th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    All this talk about CC not wanting to play for the Yankees is just blog BS. The man has NEVER said anything to that effect and the strongest inference came from one national guy (I forget which one) who said “friends of CC say he wants to play on the West Coast”.

    That means nothing. The guy has made it clear he wants the best chance to pitch in the post-season hear in and year out. In the last dozen seasons (including this one) no team has made more post-seasons than the Yanks.

    Gary— I agree on Wigginton. He’s an excellent role guy and w/Miranda might make for an acceptable 1B platoon. That means more $$$ for pitching! However I think Houston still controls him because he doesn’t have 6 years service time.

  152. mel September 30th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Okay, Bad behavior is blocking my post. I don’t know if it’s “suck” or “Steve Phillips”.

  153. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    I simply don’t understand this Casey Kotchman thing. First, his numbers are poor for a first baseman. Second, I don’t think the Braves want to trade him.

    If we can’t sign Tex, there must be better options.

  154. harwood September 30th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    “we should have just let a-rod walk and signed mike lowell”

    Without ARod we didnt make the post last season. And did you see the way this team played without him this season? This team was designed around him.

  155. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Happy New Year (?) September 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    We should have re-signed Alex, which we did.

    We should not have given him a 10 year contract. He’s great now, excpet in clutch situations, of course, but what about in years eight, nine and ten of that deal? Is he still going to be able to play third? Or are we going to be regretting signing that deal?

  156. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" September 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    if NYY doesn’t wish to rebuild next year, then CC is a must-sign. He is not a luxury.

    Whether NY wants to rebuild or not has no bearing CC is a need, innings cap safety net, leadership, sacrifices himself for the team. Not many people especially pitchers you can say that about.

  157. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    “If we get the guy who is superior to him in pretty much every regard that is Adam Dunn then throw him to the curve. I rather have Dunn in right than a deteriorating Bobby Abreu.”

    You know what I’m going to say, right? HE STRIKES OUT TOO MUCH!! Aren’t we getting rid of a Whiff King by letting Giambi walk? We don’t need to replace that aspect of his game.

  158. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Actually, I might prefer Kotchman to a Wiggington/Miranda platoon…

  159. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    “All this talk about CC not wanting to play for the Yankees is just blog BS.”

    Don’t think anyone ever said.

    Yankees not being his first choice does not = not wanting to play for the Yankees

  160. SJ44 September 30th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    As others have said here, Sizemore isn’t being traded.

    He’s the face of the Indians franchise.

    Some other thoughts……

    This is where Hank gets a bad rap. Its not just Hank that gives Cash pause to re-up with the Yankees.

    The situation has changed dramatically since 2005. George is out of the picture. Felix Lopez, a former Steinbrenner Family landscaper prior to marrying into the family, is not seated at the table during personnel talks. More family members are involved than ever before. At least more involved than when George was ruling with an iron fist.

    How would you feel getting player advice from someone CLEARLY incapable of providing such advice? Its wearing to say the least.

    Put it another way. You think the Red Sox have a landscaper involved in their player personnel meetings?

    Cash needs help evaluating pitchers. Too many mistakes have been made over the years by the Yankees with their pitching evaluations. I think even he would acknowledge he needs help in that area.

    As the GM, Cash takes the hit. However, he’s not a pitching guru. He relies on the advice of his pitching “experts” to make these calls.

    You can be the biggest Yankee homer on this board. To defend some of the pitching decisions they have made the past 4-5 years defies logic and would make you sound like a fool.

    You lose a Gil Patterson and don’t replace him, shows me that situation is not trending in the right direction.

    JMO but, a guy like Rick Peterson should be on this payroll. You don’t want him on the field? Fine.

    As an advisor to Cash, or whomever the GM may be, on pitching prospects/pitchers in the game? The guy would be invaluable. He knows pitching. Better than almost everybody in the game.

    Another problem. There is nobody in the organization right now, except for maybe Hal, who can neuter Randy Levine. That’s a BIG problem folks.

    Business guys can’t be involved in baseball matters. When they are, its trouble.

    One of the biggest issues facing the Yankees as they go forward is what I call, “lack of clear thinkers”.

    By that I mean, you can’t get emotionally attached, up or down, on players. If you do, you can’t make good judgments on them.

    Fans get emotionally attached to players. That’s natural. However, when you are putting together a team, that’s a trait that leads to your downfall.

    Business guys get too emotionally involved in these matters and it makes good baseball decisionmaking more challenging.

    Re: Cano. Kevin Long wouldn’t be heading to the DR in Mid-November to work with him if he wasn’t in their plans for 2009.

    Perhaps if Cash leaves that will change. Its pretty clear however that, the plan (at least for now) involved Cano being with the Yankees in 2009.

  161. Redding September 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    That is a good point, vtred.

    The players have been going ga-ga over Burnett for months. Every time we played the Jays there were anonymous quotes the next morning expressing how much the players want Burnett and the ‘buzz’ in the clubhouse centered around Burnett coming here next season. Hell, Damon and Bruney even went public with their names last week.

    Nothing of the sorts regarding CC.

  162. harwood September 30th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Are we all forgetting CC lived in CLEVELAND for 7 years? I mean really. He would take an offer from Iraq if the price was right.

  163. SJ44 September 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    They haven’t seen or spoken to CC since he’s in the NL.

    That’s why you haven’t heard any lobbying.

    The Yankees played the Blue Jays a bunch of times and have had more contact with AJ. Its nothing more than that.

    When the time comes to lobby CC, the usual suspects will do it. Mo, Jeter and Posada. I would guess Girardi and Eiland will also be involved.

    For just about every significant FA in the past 6 years, Jeter, Mo and Posada have put in the sales pitch.

    That’s not changing now.

  164. Bob(The Original) September 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    “If we get the guy who is superior to him in pretty much every regard that is Adam Dunn then throw him to the curve. I rather have Dunn in right than a deteriorating Bobby Abreu.”

    You know what I’m going to say, right? HE STRIKES OUT TOO MUCH!! Aren’t we getting rid of a Whiff King by letting Giambi walk? We don’t need to replace that aspect of his game.

    Again, why the fixation on the strikeouts?

    The guy hits 40HR every year, walks over 100X, drives in 100, scores 100. Usually has a .900+ OPS.

    He would be a great DH, especially in Yankee Stadium.

  165. AP September 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    There just are not very many smart baseball people in our organization. People with no baseball backgrounds at all like Hank, Hal, Jennifer, Felix Lopez, Levine etc. are controlling the franchise. Stick is 70 years old, you can’t expect much from him anymore.

    The FO needs a complete overhaul. Sadly, Hal knows nothing about baseball and can’t identify this. Cashman is alone on an island thats why the decisions have been questionable.

  166. t-rock September 30th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Why haven’t we heard anything on Cashman? Even in the post this morning they said Hal was around the new stadium ahd Cashman awaits his call.

    What are they waiting for?

  167. Eric September 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    “One thing I can’t stop thinking about is the swing of that Dice-K signing from last year: Yanks missing him, Sox adding him. He’s wild as hell, but put up 15 and 18 win seasons, and this year had a 2.90 ERA despite his walks. In 18 bases loaded situations: zero hits allowed.

    I know Peter last year believed this was not a good signing (for the money – as if it was our freaking money!) but man would that have turned the tide in the division, or what??”

    Dice-K did not have a good year, his numbers are extremely misleading. He had virtually the same WHIP this year as he did last, and WHIP is one of the best indicators of ERA, yet his ERA was a full run and a half lower this year. His K-rate was actually down a bit too, so his ERA should have been the same, or higher as last year. He was helped out by an absurdly low BABIP (.214, league average is about .300) which was caused mostly by luck, but also partially attributable to Boston’s excellent defense. He also averaged just 5.8 innings per start, which has a very negative effect on the bullpen. Rob Neyer wrote about all this in his blog a week or so ago and said that Dice-K will regress to the mean next year. Dice-K is not a bust, but he is not a great pitcher, he is just a bit better than league average…

  168. Ari September 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    “You know what I’m going to say, right? HE STRIKES OUT TOO MUCH!! Aren’t we getting rid of a Whiff King by letting Giambi walk? We don’t need to replace that aspect of his game.”

    And I’m going to respond by pointing to the fact he still got on base more than Bobby and hit for much more power. He also didn’t have luxury of having guys like Damon and Jeter to drive in. They accounted for a little less than half of Bobby’s run production,48 RBI. Has Dunn ever had anyone bat in front of him like that? He like Tex could have a career year in pinstripes.

  169. sw September 30th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    CC doesn’t have good numbers against the Yankees (6.16 ERA in his career) so the players probably aren’t that impressed by him as opposed to Burnett.

  170. Matt September 30th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    I really don’t want Texeira. He is going to want about 200 million and what has he done to earn it? Nothing! He is a very good player but he is not elite. He isn’t an allstar every year, he isn’t an MVP candidate very year. How much better will his bat be then Giambi’s? Or better comparison, is he much of an upgrade over Abreu? He would play 1b so its easy to compare him to Giambi but he would really be taking Abreu’s place in order. Only extra thing he brings to table is defense.

    If Texeira was going to be fairly priced then I would be all for signing him. But to pay him as an elite player when he isn’t is a bad idea.

  171. Gshizzle September 30th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    BRING BOBBY BACK! i love the guy, he’s one of 3 players along with AROD AND PUJOLS to have 6 straight 100 rbi seasons, thats pretty good if you ask me..please bring him back.

  172. SJ44 September 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    You can “know nothing” about baseball and still be an effective executive.

    You just have to hire the right people.

    JMO but, there isn’t enough “creative tension” in the Yankee FO. Too many “yes” (and I don’t mean the network either) men, and too many guys who got their current gigs in dubious (ie: sucking up to George) fashion.

    I know Randy blames that on Cashman. I think some of that stems from his friendship with Neil Allen who, truth be told, got hosed by the Yankees.

    I don’t think all of it though rests at Cashman’s feet. Some of it? Yes. All of it? No.

    Dealing the Yankees, on just about ANY matter, is like running an obstacle course. Just when you think you have gotten through all the barriers, another one pops up.

    Ironically, the Red Sox had the same problem in 2006. That’s why Theo walked for awhile.

    Guys like Theo and Cashman don’t mind authority. But, you have to let them do their jobs in order to get the most out of them.

    Fortunately for the Red Sox, John Henry stepped, mediated the issues Theo had, streamlined the command flow chart on baseball matters, and things worked out.

    Whether Cash stays or goes, Hal has to do the same thing in the off-season. It can’t be Hank, Lonn Trost, or Randy Levine. It has to be Hal.

    If he can do that successfully, whomever is the GM has a better chance to succeed. If he can’t? It won’t matter who you put in the gig, its set up for failure.

  173. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    “He’s slow as molasses. Guys who are slow as molasses ain’t great athletes.”

    Most catchers are slow as heck. jorge isn’t slow cause he’s a bad athlete, he’s slow cause he’s shaped like a Bartlett Pear.

    i say he’s an incredible athlete because he’s still in amazing shape and up until his shoulder injury, was actually improving as a total player.

  174. Matt September 30th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    What would it take to pry Dejesus from the Royals? I think he would be a good fit in centerfield.

    Also would you oppose a Roberts-Cano deal? Or prefer the Cano-Kemp rumor?

  175. mel September 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Part 1:

    I’m going to scold here, so skip over if you don’t want to hear it.

    I know a lot of you guys hate this team right now. They failed, they underachieved, they sucked.

    But there’s a lot to like about the team, too.

    I feel the pressure of trying to win a world series in the last season got to the team mentally and injuries ravaged them physically. Their RISP was horrid. Not because they suck, but because pressure can kill performance.

    I think the guys played hard all season, but they weren’t rewarded very much.

    We scored 171 less runs than last year. And only finished 5 games off last season’s pace? Miraculous. Considering who we were throwing out there.

    Credit to Moose, Andy, and the bullpen.

  176. mel September 30th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Part 2:

    I predict a very different season next year. Playing in a new house will give the guys extra energy and they’re going to be building a new legacy. Their legacy. I think we’re going to win a lot of home games.

    So anyway. Fill the holes. Fix the deficiencies. But don’t blow up the team. Don’t trade away your good young players. In other words, don’t pull a Steve Phillips. :)

  177. vinny-b (jerry manuel says, "Brett Favre is gangsta!" September 30th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    SJ44: my bad, for questioning the information you put out the other day.

    it is evident you know/understand, the baseball matters, you are speaking of.

    thank you.

  178. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! September 30th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    About AJ Burnett and the “don’t believe he wants to play for the Yankees, what do you expect him to say” stuff. Everything I have heard indicates that Burnett has made unsolicited statements about wanting to play for the Yankees and according to Waldman and Sterling goes out of his way to court them and gush about the Yankees and what it would be like to play for the Yankees. That makes me believe he wants to play for the Yankees.

    What would I expect him to say if he didn’t want to? “I don’t want to play for the Yankees.” There haven’t been a ton, but other players have made that statement, even if not in those exact words. The most recent that comes to mind is Brian Giles.

    So there is no question in my mind that he wants to play for the Yankees. Whether the Yankee desire is mutual remains to be seen.

  179. Rishi September 30th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Bronx Jeers –

    The Bartlett Pear comment had me laughing at my desk here :)

  180. Wave Your Hat September 30th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Here’s Texeira’s OPS+ from 2004 on:

    131, 144, 126, 150, 153.

    Add in his fielding ability and his ability to switch hit, he seems elite to me.

    Plus, I’d like to say something in Giambi’s defense. He didn’t produce well with runners in scoring position this year, but take a look at 2005 and 2006 – he was a clutch god. And, he was pretty decent on 07 as well.

    The fact is, RISP outcomes are statistically pretty random. I wish people would just quit dragging it up.

  181. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" September 30th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    You know what people forget when your dealing w/ Robinson Cano, he’s 25 yrs. old, at 18 he was in GCL, he probably had 1 or 2 yrs. in DSL, and when your that young OBP % isn’t a big thing, learning the strike zone wasn’t a big thing, he came up thinking power and fielding and they’ll look at me, so lets say teaching the game to him came at a later stage in his young career because he can always put bat on ball what were they in needing to fix ?, His power game came at age 19, his OBP % numbers increased for proball at 21 so he’s had 3 or 4 yrs. of using his talents wrong & right ones at the big stage…Isn’t it safe to know that he is 25 soon to be 26 and still has little experience at a pro level but has so much right talent ?

    I think people have to start understanding he’s not going to be that bad not 08′ bad for long, soon what’s being taught he will learn and learn it at a fast rate because one thing you can tell is his talent makes him a quick learner. Be patient w/ Robi Lohud otherwise it’ll come back to bite us.

  182. Laura September 30th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    “Again, why the fixation on the strikeouts?”

    In all honesty, that’s all I ever hear about the guy. I’m going to check him out on baseballreference.com.

  183. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    A little tidbit from the Jorge Posada CenterStage bit. He ran track as a young athlete. In the Yankees minor league system, where he started as a SS, he was used as a pinch runner. He said two things made him slower: one was breaking his ankle, and the other, he said, was just the way his body developed over time.

    I don’t know if he’d make a good 1B, but if his heart isn’t in it, he won’t, a la Gary Sheffield (albeit, that was a rushed endeavor and it was for the sole purpose of getting his bat into the lineup for the playoffs). He has to want to do it, and so far, he really doesn’t have to. If he truly can’t catch anymore, and if the alternative is no position to play, I’m willing to bet he makes the changes.

    He resisted being made into a catcher. Now he wouldn’t think of not being one. Things can change.

  184. doslobo38 September 30th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    The Yankees cannot afford to lose Abreu, period. I watched every game this season and I did not see all those runs allowed by his poor defense, I saw a guy with a .993 fielding percentage, 10 assists, 3 double plays and only 2 errors (I really don’t care what some guys website says about balls he should of caught or range he should have had)

    Offensively he produces like nobody else rbi’s, runs, overall hits, extra base hits, walks etc. Look at his numbers he is among the top 10 (or at least top 20) in the AL in every offensive category that exists.

    He is consistant with or without runners in scoring position. He drives up pitch counts. He is healthy, not injury prone and plays 100% every game. He is incredibly popular with his teammates and coaches.

    You cannot lose a guy who consistantly hits .300 with 20 home runs, 100 rbi’s and 100 runs scored every year pretty much without fail.

    The Yankees need to sign him to a 3 year deal (2 years with a 1 year option) for any price within reason. Because I guarantee that if the Yankees don’t some other team will do it and gladly.

    I was kidding my wife that the Red Sox might sign Abreu, she was horrified at the thought of Bobby’s bat helping the Red Sox to beat up on the Yankees.

  185. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" September 30th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    With all due respect to Georgy he needs to put the team first and reduce the chances of a team running on his arm like it’s a track meat. Moving to 1B should be in his future now plans if he has the team as a priority.

  186. 86w183 September 30th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Matt— Teixiera is clearly an elite MLB first baseman. You may one of the few out there who can’t see that. He’s not Pujols or Berkman, but no one else is better.

    DeJesus is nothing special. An upgrade on Melky/Gardner? Sure, offensively, but he doesn’t hit HR and he doesnt steal bases.

    Adam Dunn doesn’t trouble me except he can’t field and the Yanks already have Damon, Matsui and Posada without knowing if any of the three can play defense effectively through 2009.

    Nice to know Abreu can also play 1B.

  187. mel September 30th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    86,

    I also heard CC can play first base. :P

  188. SJ44 September 30th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    mel,

    The culture has to change in order for Part II to take place.

    One advantage of getting a little younger and more athletic is that you won’t have as many veteran players pacing themselves to hold up over the season.

    One thing that hurt the Yankees this year is the fact that its too veteran laden a roster. Older guys play their way into seasons, knowing its a marathon.

    Young guys tend to get out of the gate faster and you sometimes steal early wins because of it. That gives a team momentum and belief. Especially with come from behind, walk off type wins.

    I always maintain hitting with RISP is a mindset more than anything else. You do it early and it tends to hold up over the course of a season.

    Last year for example, the Yankees had some amazing come from behind wins early. Arod was hitting some sick number like .500 from the 8th inning on. It became a staple for the team.

    This year, they struggled early and never got their confidence in those siutations. Especially true with Arod.

    Perhaps a younger team steals a win here and there and that gives the vets the ability to relax and get it going.

    Its why I think there will be a lot of changes in the off-season. Not just players but, style of play. More than anything else, that has to change, IMO.

  189. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    “I was kidding my wife that the Red Sox might sign Abreu, she was horrified at the thought of Bobby’s bat helping the Red Sox to beat up on the Yankees.”

    Doubt Boston would do it, but the Mets quite possibly would.

  190. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" September 30th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    The Yankees cannot afford to lose Abreu, period.

    Oh no your wrong we can especially when you weigh in the fact that we traded for X for a reason. Bobby’s OBP % more importantly pitches seen per AB is a big tool for this team but his defense in the OF is horrible, near putrid. I love Bobby but 3 -4 yrs. :lol: No.

  191. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" September 30th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    I actually got an interesting idea to run here. We have BP depth so why not deal Damaso Marte to the Mets for Ryan Church ?

  192. harwood September 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    “I watched every game this season and I did not see all those runs allowed by his poor defense, I saw a guy with a .993 fielding percentage, 10 assists, 3 double plays and only 2 errors (I really don’t care what some guys website says about balls he should of caught or range he should have had)”

    Bobby lets everything drop in front of him. Hes afraid of the wall. And I remember at least 2-3 games that were lost this season with his glove on playable hits.
    Bobby’s numbers are a bit inflated because of the guys hes hitting between. There are alot of guys out there who can put those number up in that spot in the lineup.

  193. BoSox September 30th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Muddywaters wrote:

    “Red Sox may have big concern over Lowell, slide Youkillis to 3rd and bring in Teixeira and that powers up the lineup fairly well.”

    I don’t think this will happen. The Sox top prospect is a 1b, Lars Anderson. I can’t see them dropping all that money on Tex. However….I think the Sox are going to dump Masterson or Bowden for a young catcher. If Lars Anderson must be included in the deal, then maybe they will go after Tex.

    This will be the most interesting off-season that I can think of.

  194. mel September 30th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    SJ44,

    So are you saying that waiting for the long ball is not the ideal way to win? :)

    I did notice however, that Robi’s been responsible for some pretty improbable wins over the last 2 seasons. Once upon a time, Jeter was the one who got rallies started, kept them on life support late in games, or delivered the knockout punch. Impossible to believe, but I think Cano’s turning into that player.

  195. SJ44 September 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I think AJ wants to play for the Yankees. That said, there is an easy way to gauge just how badly a player wants to play for the Yankees.

    Do they leave a better deal on the table?

    For all of what Carl Pavano became, fact is, he left TWO better offers on the table to sign with the Yankees. The Tigers and Mariners both offered better deals than the one he signed with the Yankees.

    Mike Lowell left a better offer from the Phillies on the table to go back to Boston.

    ONTH, you have guys that are just looking for the last buck on the table, regardless of who its from. Often, they are Scott Boras “true believer” clients.

    For the sake of this discussion, let’s say Abreu REALLY wants to come back. If that’s true, he would take the Yankees offer of arbitration.

    If he turns it down, it doesn’t make him a bad guy at all. It just means that while his PREFERENCE may be to return, he’s not going to turn down a better deal.

    The playing side and the business side are two different animals in this game.

    AJ is a free spirited guy. He tatted and pierced up, has a high octane personality, and is a bit on the crazy (in a good way) side.

    If he has the onions to play in NY, is it because its the best offer or he REALLY wants to play here, forgoing better offers?

    Time will tell.

  196. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" September 30th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    SJ lets really think about this can we live w/ Bobby at RF ?

  197. SJ44 September 30th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Brandon,

    Why would you want a player (Church) who hasn’t been the same since he suffered two concussions?

    Nady is a better player than Church.

    I think the Yankees should keep Marte AND keep Coke in the bullpen.

    You want to attract top end free agent starting pitchers?

    Unveil what the Yankee bullpen can be next year.

    That will get a lot of starters excited about coming to NY.

  198. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Happy New Year (?) September 30th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Hey, did you guys hear Cliff Lee won comeback player of the year!

    Anyone else feel Moose was slighted?

    Okay, I know Lee was going to win it, but still…

  199. george September 30th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    what about Yu Darvish

  200. bru September 30th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    marte for church wouldn’t be that bad.

    church in right,dh nady & matsui.

  201. frankiedue September 30th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    You DO NOT WANT Oliver Perez. He is asking for 15 million a year and he still hasn’t figured out how to pitch. He will drive you crazy. His delivery is different every day. Ask any met fan if he is worth 15 million. Ask any pirate fan. Ask any padres fan. There’s a reason this guy has been around the block at his relatively young age.

  202. Doreen September 30th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Rebecca -

    I didn’t hear, but I was afraid he might. I thought, perhaps, since he’s more than likely going to be the Cy Young award winner, that the people who vote for such things would “spread the wealth (awards) around.”

    Too bad for Moose.

    But, I doubt Moose himself cares one way or another.

  203. 86w183 September 30th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    SJ—-

    Great analysis on RISP. It one of the reasons I kept getting on folks during the season to quit focusing on one stat to the exclusion of all others. Plus it can be misleading.

    I saw ARod hit a weak-ass roller for a single with a runner on second who made it to third. That’s batting 1.000 with runners in scoring position.

    I also saw him robbed of extra bases on a shot down the line with a runner on third. The run scored, but ARod was thrown out, thus it was not a hit with RISP.

    Which at bat helped the team more?

    I believe one key for 2009 is building a more talented, versatile bench. It’s critical that the 30-something outfielders can all DH once a week and sit once every other week. Also the 30-something infielders need to DH once every two weeks and sit once every three or four.

    To me that is how you manage an older team, get them regular rest from week two until week 27.

  204. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Happy New Year (?) September 30th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    george, I don’t think the Yankees are dipping into the Japanese pitching market any time soon.

  205. Tom September 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Starting pitching is number one hole to fill. A healthy Wang and Joba is worth 35 wins. Resigning either Moose or Andy another 12-15. A guy like Lowe another 12-15. Thats 59 wins from four starters. A solid 4-5 guy could bring another 10-12 wins.

  206. SJ44 September 30th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Brandon,

    I’m just using an example with Abreu when we discuss how much a player “wants to play in NY”.

    From my end, I like Bobby Abreu as a player with a one year contract. If he accepted arbitration, I wouldn’t be unhappy having him back on the team. I’d work around his defensive deficiencies. I like him less with a two year deal, and HATE him with a 3 year contract.

    Nothing personal. I just don’t see the value of signing a 35 year old OF, whose defense is in a sharp decline, to a 3 year deal. Especially since there will be no hometown discount. That’s another 45-50 million dollars in guaranteed money tied into a Mid-30′s player. Not my cup of tea.

    If you upgrade the starting pitching in a big way, put Nady in RF, have Cano, Matsui, Posada and Arod put together better seasons, you easily absorb the loss of Abreu.

    That’s even before we know who is going to play first base.

  207. Tom September 30th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    The Yankees did get 89 wins with only 2 guys (moose and andy) having more than 10 wins.

  208. mel September 30th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    So Lee’s going to win 2 awards?

    If Moose wants, he can get the Comeback Reward of the Year.

    The people at the Post are cons. Big headline: “Cashman waits on Hal’s call” So you click, right? Thinking there’s a twist in the story. Not only is it misleading. There’s nothing new. Just a holding pattern. “Sooner rather than later”

  209. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    “Hey, did you guys hear Cliff Lee won comeback player of the year!

    Anyone else feel Moose was slighted?”

    Not really. Lee fell further than Moose last year and bounced back higher.

  210. Matt September 30th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    I am not arguing that texeira isnt a VERY GOOD PLAYER, but is he worth 20-25 million a yr? The guy hasnt been in MVP talks since his 2nd yr with Texas. I mean at least when they signed Giambi he was an MVP and a runner up MVP.

  211. bru September 30th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    it is very hard to judge a japanese player from what i’ve heard from scouts.they don’t play against ml players.

    we don’t know how darvish will pitch in the majors.

  212. 86w183 September 30th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    No Way Mussina could get comeback over Lee. Lee was 5-8, 6.29 last year. Mussina was 11-10, 5.15.

  213. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" September 30th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Why would you want a player (Church) who hasn’t been the same since he suffered two concussions?

    Because he’ll actually have rest this offseason and at Marte’s value it wouldn’t be a bad idea.

    Nady is a better player than Church.

    I doubt he’s better than Church when Church is healthy and we saw it for ourselves he plays big in big games when healthy and is a gamer.

    I think the Yankees should keep Marte AND keep Coke in the bullpen.

    That could work.

    You want to attract top end free agent starting pitchers?
    Unveil what the Yankee bullpen can be next year.

    You have a good point.

  214. jennifer September 30th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Don’t you actually have to be good at one point to win it? What BS! Mussina reinvented himself and actually got better.

    Cliff lee was never that good, IMO.

  215. SJ44 September 30th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    As far as Arod is concerned, he became too pull concious as the season went on. IMO, a surefire sign of pressing.

    Arod is at his best as a center/right center hitter. He stays inside the ball, and allows it to travel deeper to the plate, and that’s when he is at his most dangerous.

    Like a golf swing, a hitters swing can get out of sorts during the season. Sometimes, you can correct it quickly.

    However, with 162 games in 180 days, if it gets too far out of whack, its tough to fix it during the season.

    Long will be in Miami with Arod this winter. They will get his mechanics straighted out.

    I also expect his mind to be in a better place next year. That will also help him have a better season in 2009, IMO.

  216. Fredo Corleone September 30th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Lee was quite good. Finished 4th in the AL Cy Young race in 2005 and won 46 games over his 1st three big league seasons before running into absolute disaster last year.

  217. CaShbum September 30th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Benigno and Roberts knows nothing about the yankees… when they talk yankees they sound retarded

  218. CaShbum September 30th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    why the hell would we trade for delgado?

  219. Ed - looking forward to 2009 September 30th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Did anyone heard rumors that Omar is open to the idea of trading Reyes and Wright? Like Wright to the Yanks, shift him over to 1B.

  220. CaShbum September 30th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    even if they are trading wright and reyes no way they are going to trade them to the yankees

  221. Ari September 30th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Tex has played on bad teams and traded twice. Its not exactly his fault he hasnt been in the MVP conversation.

  222. CB September 30th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    “Here’s Texeira’s OPS+ from 2004 on:

    131, 144, 126, 150, 153.

    Add in his fielding ability and his ability to switch hit, he seems elite to me.”

    You have to be careful about using OPS+ for first baseman’s because the position is such an outlier in terms of average production.

    First base has the highest average production of any position in the game. Here is the average OPS+ for all positions for 2007:

    2007 OPS+ by position
    Pos Mean Median
    C 86 83
    1B 115 108
    2B 96 100
    3B 109 101
    SS 94 94
    RF 111 105
    CF 97 88
    LF 107 101

    That’s a considerable gap between 1b and other positions.

    If you look at Tex in terms of VORP (a stat which compares his production to other 1b) he’s usually around a 50-55 VORP player.

    That’s very good. It’s not elite. It’s not even close, really.

    If he played just about any other position other than 1b Tex would be close to an elite player. But he does play 1b and given that he’s not an elite player or a truly elite 1b.

    He’s very good. The question is do you want to pay a very good player elite player money.

    Is he one of the ten best players in the game?

  223. Jonathon September 30th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    I don’t think you can count on Joba to be have a place in the rotation.

    He is a great pitcher and has great stuff, in a perfect world he would be a starter…but now the Yankees might be gun shy with him because of the injury, ie moving him back to the bullpen to start the 09 season.

    And then consider the fact that he only pitched 100 innings this year. If he starts in the bp and they cap him at 140 in 09, how many starts can that possibly be?

    Figure he’ll get 20 innings in the bp to start. That leaves 120 innings from June to (hopefully) October.

    They will need someone to make up those early starts. Right now I just see Wang as the only concrete starter the Yankees have going into next year.

    FA pitching will be a big part of this off-season, unfortunately there are no ‘great’ choices, everyone comes with risk.

  224. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! September 30th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    If 3B translates easily to 1B, Wright would be a pretty good pickup. :) I would be surprised if Minaya would be willing to part with Wright, pleasantly surpised but surprised.

  225. The Reviosionist September 30th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Does Cashman know that if he leaves the Yanks he won’t get all of this help with another team?

  226. Jonathon September 30th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Teixeira timing couldn’t be better…he might not be elite when you consider all 1Bmen in the league but he his elite when you consider the 08/09 1B free agent pool.

    It’s what the market bears and he just happens to be in the right place at the right time…much like Zito was 2 years ago.

  227. 86w183 September 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Lee won 32 games in the two seasons prior to 2007 (32-16).

    Mussina won 28 games in those same two seasons (28-15).

    So Lee was better (slightly) than Mussina in the two years prior to 2007, had a much worse dropoff (5-8 vs 11-10)and came back with a significantly better season (22-3 vs 20-9).

    Sorry, but it’s not even close

  228. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! September 30th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    I can’t imagine anyone who’s in it for anything but the cashola leaving the Yankees. In other words, were Cashman to be offered a lot more money and take it, to me he would be leaving solely for the money. Cashman has been through enough “less than successful” – no world series ring – seasons that not making the playoffs for one season wouldn’t be the reason for him to leave. In fact, I would think he would have more incentive to stay and find a way to get things back to “normal”. I can’t see Cashman ever signing on with another team. The Yankees have always been his home, and it’s a home that he loves.

    That be my story and I be sticking to it!

  229. 86w183 September 30th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Other than Pujols or Berkman what 1B is better than Teixiera? If top three at your position isn’t elite than what is?

    CB— Who has higher VORP than Tex? Not just one year but over the last five?

  230. Phil September 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Yo, Sabathia finished 2007 with 241 innings. Get it right the first time before you talk smack about state schools. Go Cal Bears!

  231. steven September 30th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    hears how to clean house for the Yankees. first i would see if the Padres would trade Jake Peavy for Cano, Melky and Kenndy. Then if they accept then go out and sign Orlando Hudson someone that husles in the feild. After that sign Corey Patterson to play center or leave Brett Gardner their and wait for Austin Jackson. Then hear is the starters the Yankees should have; Jake Peavy, Chin Ming Wang, Phil Hughes, bring Moose back if he wants, leave Andy alone and go after either two, CC or AJ Burnett. that is how u clean house if i was the GM for the Yankees. Yes i am a big Yank fan.

  232. 86w183 September 30th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Steven— Corey Patterson? Really? A .253 career hitter?

    You want the Yanks to get older at 2B, older at CF? I fail to see how adding two underachieving more expensive players is cleaning house.

  233. autograph seeker September 30th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    According to the hardball times, CC should be fine. Even after throwing so many pitches, his stuff has been generally fine the next start, meaning he can handle the load.

    Ken Davidoff actually wants Blake as our 1b over Tex and Lowe our premiere FA pitcher over Burnett or Sabathia or Sheets or etc.

  234. CB September 30th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    “Who has higher VORP than Tex? Not just one year but over the last five?”

    86w183,

    “Elite” is obviously subjective and how you define it makes a big difference.

    One way to define elite would be as you are suggesting – the top 3 players at every position are by definition elite. This would make Brian Roberts an elite player as he’s one of the three best 2b in the game.

    Another way would be to say forget position and just pick the top 10 or 15 players in terms of overall production regardless of position and say they are elite. By this definition Brian Roberts isn’t even close to an elite player.

    A third way is to basically compare any player to an average or replacement player at his particular position.

    I generally believe it’s that third way that makes the most sense.

    So in 2007 Pujols had a VORP of 72. Prince Fielder a VORP of 69. 2007 was either the 1st or 2nd best year of Tex’s career. His VORP was 53.

    Looking at it this way even if Tex is the third best 1b it is misleading to say he is an elite player because the distance between Pujols and Fielder is a VORP of 3. The distance between Fielder and Tex was a VORP of 16. So “third” best in this context is very misleading.

    In general I think of players who can put up VORP’s of around 60-65 on a regular basis as elite players, particularly if they play a premium defensive position.

    In other words there are very, very few elite players in the game. Pujols, ARod, Hanley and a few others.

    Tex is very good – and his last two years have been particularly good.

    But even if he is one of the three best 1b in the game (which I’m not sure he is – Pujols, Berkman, and Cabrera are much better IMO) he still isn’t an elite player IMO.

    He’s very good. Nothing wrong with that. He’d make the yankees a better team.

    But again the question is whether or not you want to pay a very good player as if he were a truly elite player e.g. Soriano.

    I think some of the worst FA contracts are given out along that line of thinking.

    It’s not an open and shut case with Tex. If they sign him I can see how he would be particularly valuable to the yanks given ARod, Jeter, Posada and Mo’s ages and the lack of position players in the minors.

    But if they do that they should know what they are getting.

    Very good players signed as elite players in FA in New York often dissappoint. Carlos Beltran is the perfect example. Met fans just seem to hate him because they were expecting him to be an elite player and he’s just a very good player.

    It’s not an absolute right or wrong – it’s about what trade offs you want to make.

  235. Bob(The Original) September 30th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    After that sign Corey Patterson to play center

    Yep, that’s the way to go.

    Get one of the worst players in the game.

    Brilliant.

  236. Braintrust September 30th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    I know people are high on Nady, but his average dropped 62 points with the league switch. His agent is also Scott Boras, so the Yankees and the fans shouldn’t get too attached to him. He could even be traded, which is what I would do with him. Boras is poison.

  237. Braintrust September 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    And forget Dunn, he’s a human windmill.

  238. The Reviosionist September 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Steven, if you going to talk about trading for Corey Patterson, please put it at the top of your post. Then I will know that it’s not worth reading anything else that you wrote.

  239. 86w183 September 30th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Cabrera is a superb hitter, but he doesn’t play great defense at 1B. That may not be reflected in VORP, but it matters to me, especially with a mediocre defensive infield like the Yankees are saddled with.

    The money means nothing to me. Carl Pavano’s buyout is more than I expect to gross over the next decade.

    It’s monopoly money to me. Besides, he’ll be cheaper than Giambi! All things are relative.

    Also 2007 VORP does not reflect the added value of being a switch hitter and it’s just one season and Teixiera’s proven consistency over several years is irrefutable.

    He may not be “worth” what he’s going to get, but he would be a major improvement for this team.

  240. CB September 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    “Cabrera is a superb hitter, but he doesn’t play great defense at 1B. That may not be reflected in VORP, but it matters to me, especially with a mediocre defensive infield like the Yankees are saddled with.”

    Cabrera had the third highest relative zone rating of any qualified 1b in the AL this year. He was a horrible 3b but 1b is a much easier position to play. He’s fine at 1b.

    Cabrera’s RZR was .757. Not bad at all. Tex’s RZR in the AL was .765. Tex is a better defenisive player but he’s probably not that much better.

  241. evan September 30th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Come on pete, your better than that! We do not want bobby back. He is a terrible fielder and one of the least fundamental players on the team. He also happens to be 35 years old. NO BOBBY!

  242. evan September 30th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    and trisha doesnt know anything

  243. no.27 September 30th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    I don’t know if Teixeira is an elite player or not, but I think it would be fair to expect him to hit around .300 with a .390 obp and about 30-35 HRs in the 3 hole for the Yankees while providing great defense at first base. He’s available and in his prime. Fielder, Pujols, and others aren’t available. Sign Tex.

  244. gianthinker September 30th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Most importantly Teixeira would help A-rod and force pitchers to throw to one of them.

  245. BB September 30th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Get CC
    Get Burnett
    Get Manny
    Get Teixeira

  246. The Future September 30th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    To whoever said we should go get David Wright, check your facts. Wright’s numbers with people on base is worse than A-Rod’s this year. Thats what we need, another .300 hitter who can’t drive in baserunners.

  247. chris September 30th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    How about…

    1b – Casey Kotchman (via trade – bag of balls)
    2b – Orlando Hudson (free agent)
    ss – Derek Jeter
    3b – Arod
    Lf – X. Nady
    Cf – Damon/Gardner
    Rf – Andre Ethier (trade Cano/Kennedy)
    c – Posada/???
    DH – Matsui
    SP – pick 5: Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Mussina, Perez, Lowe, Chamberlain??

  248. Alex September 30th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Hey Peter,

    What about Jon Garland? I think he should be added to the list as well. He’s a work horse and has extensive experience in the AL.

  249. Mrs, Kekich September 30th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “The money means nothing to me. Carl Pavano’s buyout is more than I expect to gross over the next decade.”

    the money means nothing, huh? … guess you don’t like to go to the games in person. I used to, can’t afford it. I couldn’t use monopoly money to buy any tickets this year.

  250. The Reviosionist September 30th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    So chris you want to trade a second baseman who over the last 3 seasons batted .304 wthi 225 runs, 48 HR and 247 RBI for a corner outfielder who over the same period batted .299 with 190 runs, 44 HR and 196 RBI. And you would be willing to throw in a 22 year old pitcher.

  251. doslobo38 September 30th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    “Bobby’s numbers are a bit inflated because of the guys hes hitting between. There are alot of guys out there who can put those number up in that spot in the lineup.”

    Abreu has been posting the same numbers his entire career so it is not just a result of the guys around him in the lineup. I always love the logic that “oh anybody can hit 100 rbi’s because of where they are in the batting order”, If that’s true than why don’t they? Why do only 3 current major league players have 100 rbi’s in 6 consecutive seasons?

    And the “Bobby’s afraid of the wall” stuff we have been hearing since he was with Philly winning a Golden Glove. Maybe he should go slamming into the wall and have to go on the DL like Damon did, then we could complain about him not being healthy.

  252. chris September 30th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    You confident Cano will be the player he was two years ago (from July on that is) – without Bowa up his arse? You think Kennedy will discover the Mussina-like breaking stuff to offset that average fastball I watched get hit all over the place last year? I think Ethier is about to blow up, and I think you could probably get something back in addition to him. Maybe you don’t need to give them both – I don’t know. The numbers you’re throwing up there for Cano/Ethier are basically a push – compare the L.A. and N.Y. lineups over those 3 years.

  253. no tex September 30th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    texeria wants too much money and ten years. if they give him 10 years i don’t want to be watching the yankees from 2015-2018 with $50MM a year for him an a.rod at the tail end of their careers
    lineup : a few things here are based on things that could quickly change over the coming months, just remember that the most important player on the yankees (rivera) is having surgery and however minor that may be, if things don’t work out joba will surely replace him.
    c-posada with some molina in there
    1b-nady, why doesn’t anyone explore this option, he has played as much 1b as lf in his career, it saves tons of money and opens things up
    2b-cano, no chance they’ll trade him this off season, especially to a joe torre dodger team (imagine he turns it around with them)
    ss-jeter
    3b-a.rod
    lf-damon, maybe matsui once a week if he can move
    cf-not melky, not damon, not gardner unless he can learn to hit
    rf-abreu, sign him for 2 years with an option for 3, he can dh after 09 when we get rid of matsui and damon
    dh-matsui and posada
    p-sabathia (if he wants to come here), wang, chamberlain, mussina?, pettite?, hughes?,
    hopefully wang can come back strong, joba if mariano is healthy, after that decisions need to be made. burnett is not that good, 4.07 era (that includes whatever amazing era against the yankees) so he clearly gets hit a lot, that would be a pavano like signing–not to mention injuries and lack of dedication.

    You can’t count on Mussina repeating 08, Pettite is also a big question, trade Kennedy for a bus pass, Hughes is soft and if he spends another year on the DL we need to give up on him, WHY DOES EVERYONE STILL THINK PHIL HUGHES IS SO GOOD?

  254. The Reviosionist September 30th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    An average of 17 RBI and 12 runs difference over 3 seasons a push. I don’t think so. And you’re sure that Cano is done and did not just have a bad season AND the Ethier will “blow up”. I’m not a big Kennedy fan but if your going to trade him with Cano you had better get more than a push.

  255. STANLEY PANENKA September 30th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Pete, that is a good idea. Bring in Baylor as a bench coach and let Rob be a third base coach. Baylor is a no nonsense guy who will bring the intensity that has been missing in that clubhouse. I do know that Jorge is one of those too.

    I know that we can’t sign all of the free agents, but lets try to get these:

    Sabathia (at all costs) and either A.J.Burnett or Derick Lowe.

    Sign Manny. That’s right! No, I don’t expect him to put up those numbers that he did with the Dodgers. However he will put some very good numbers: Hit .300, 35 HRS and drive in 100 RBIs AND he will make the entire lineup have better numbers because of his presence. Bat him 4TH and behind ARod. Right now there is nothing more than Manny wants to do then to sign with the Yankees and help them with a World Series so that he can tell Bostons’ management to SHOVE IT! Since he has this chip on his shoulder he would be on his best behavior.

    Sign Texeria IF possible. Great first baseman who is a switch hitter with power and can hit for average PLUS he is a great fielder.

  256. chris September 30th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    “An average of 17 RBI and 12 runs difference over 3 seasons a push.” I would hope in the Yankee offense that Cano could sneeze and have 17 more RBIs than Ethier, who hit around JD Drew, Shea Hillebrand, Furcal and Jeff Kent. Hey, if we can hold onto Cano or Kennedy and get Ethier, I’m all for it. Maybe you could get pitching in addition in the trade – how about Broxton? Maybe Cano did have a bad season, maybe he’ll hit .340 next year, and maybe he’ll keep dogging it in the field and on the basepaths. And maybe Kennedy’s just good enough to dominate the minor leagues.

  257. phil September 30th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Hey Pete,

    “For those of you who went to a state school, that’s 511 innings over two seasons”

    I went to a state school. I got As in calculus and statistics. I develop software to analyze data from automated DNA sequencing projects.

    Believe it or not, those of us who couldn’t afford to attend whatever fancy private school baseball beat writers go to do understand some of that mathematics stuff.

    BTW – I agree with you on Oliver Perez. At the very least, signing him will prevent two sure losses against the Mets next year.

  258. bodhisattva September 30th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Laura

    September 30th, 2008 at 11:43 am
    “players that are happy and proud to put on the pinstripes, not *#&$^@ who think they deserve it.”

    “How does this describe Cano? Where does this misnomer come from about Cano thinking he deserves the world? This is just something fans made up.”

    Yes, it’s something fans made up. It has nothing to do with Cano, and isn’t even reflective of his personality. I also would venture a guess that the weird anger of the poster you reference has nothing to do with Cano, per se, or even baseball, if you know what I mean.

  259. Nick September 30th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Eh, I want Overbay at 1st. Dunno why, but I’ve always liked him. Just need to convince Toronto that’s there’s unless they mega rebuild they CAN’T compete with the Rays, Yanks, and Sox in the same division.

    If not, then sign Tex to a 5-year deal. And bloat it. REALLY bloat it.

    Offer Marte and Abreu arbitration with maximum pay cuts. Hopefully they decline, and suddenly we have 4 1st round picks to work with. If not, we have a good lefty and a solid RFer for another year.

    If you trade Cano, sign Aaron Miles, a gamer.

    I have a feeling that from out of Sheets, Sabathia, and Burnett, all we’ll land is Sheets, who could be Pavano 2.0(albeit he’s much better than Pavano) or Greg Maddux.

  260. Marc W September 30th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Derek Lowe party guy?!? Look at Sidney Ponson who was trouble I think Derek Lowe wouldn’t be a problem.

    Out of the guys we should get Derek Lowe and Casey Blake

  261. hurricaneseason September 30th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Hey Phil, I think the state school comment was a joke. If you look at Pete’s bio, he says went to UMASS.

    Yanks have lacked an ace for years now. Sign CC and finally there will be an ace to ease the pressure on the rest of the rotation. Wang is no ace, a 2 guy at best. Grab Lowe to round out the rotation. He was a party animal in Boston and still performed.

    Sabathia
    Wang
    Joba
    Lowe
    Pettitte/Mussina

  262. Arthur September 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Sign Sabathia no matter what it takes. We need a guy like him at the top of the rotation.

    I also think Mark Prior would be a nice gamble. he may not be healthy to start the season but give him an incentive ridden contract and hope for the best. He is a guy who has huge upside and could be stellar if he has a healthy season.

    I’m not to keen on Lowe… but we do need another reliable starter and looking at the FA pool Lowe might be our best option. You can never have enough starting pitching.

    Oh ya and resign Pettite

    Sabathia
    Wang
    Chamberlain
    Pettite
    Lowe
    Hughes
    Kennedy
    Prior

    Now that would be something to work with.

    As for 1B. I would try and package some young guys to get a Kotchman-typer player. Try and keep Cano and Hughes If we can

  263. EY September 30th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Blank check CC. Do it!!!!!!

  264. Mason September 30th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Now that the Cashman debate is out of the way…we can focus on making moves on people who will actually be playing on the field..first of all once it was a sure thing that Sabathia was going to be a FA this year…i was all for it. But now, that has cahnged a bit. The Brewers are abusing his arm;pitching him on 3 days rest and still letting him go around 100 pitches per game. Its unbelievable. So after what i thought would be a for sure ‘yes’ is now looking like a gamble to me. Who knows how well he will be pitching in 3 years, maybe even sooner. That being said, what otherdurable pitchers are on the market not too many. The rest of them come with big price tags and no warranty. Burnett and Sheets are probably already making reservations for the disabled list for all i know.:) If I had to sign one of them i would still go with CC he’s a big lefty and a ‘true ace’. Put him on the rotation and you have 2 aces in the front followed hopefully by Chamberlain and then a Petitte? Hughes? Mussina? fighting for the 4 and 5 spot(maybe not Moose). Ok so once we get the pitching sorted out, there are endless options on position players. I say give an offer to Tex if he takes it, great if he doesnt, move on and spend the money elswhere. Next, Im all for a matt kemp deal he’s a young outfielder who can Hit a perfect replacement for abreu, even in the batting order. Then, assuming Cano goes in the kemp deal, sign Hudson. And heck, if you want to get real creative and solve all of our center field problems how about trading for like Nate Mclouth or the ‘Flyin’ Hawaiian’ Shane Victorino? Hey, better than Gardner who might be able to hit a ball 250 feet on a good day. Bottom line is…this off season will be big, and a cruical one to the yankees future.

  265. Bart October 1st, 2008 at 8:17 am

    NO NO NO NO NO to any of them

    The strategy was to dump salaries of the old folks — soon only Jeter Posada Mo Mussina and Pettit then ARod have to go and rely on the minors to send players we watch at Trenton and WB — then we wil al be contrent fans with the home grown guys — we can sell or trade our best players the way the twins do

    Isn’t that why we blew off Santana and put this year at risk — this is no time to chnage the strategy

    Get rid of the old guys and the salaries and field the kids — a few years with a 100 losses and we will turn into Tampa Bay

  266. Mason October 1st, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Last time I checked, what most Yankee fans wanted was to win NOW as in 2009. Not 5 years down the road after going 61-101 for 5 years straight. By he time we would be back in contention, all the young ‘home-grown’ players would be getting older too, and then someone like you (Bart) would probably suggest we do it all over again. And for someone to be happy with a losing team for 3 years is one weird fan. I want to see the Yanks W.S. Champs in 2009. I hope most Yankee fans would agree.

  267. No October 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    I insist they keep Bobby.

  268. chuck October 19th, 2008 at 5:44 am

    This has to approached position by position and by problems.

    The first problem is that the Yankee Org. has to figure
    out a way to ID P arm problems . There is an org. that
    has rehabed P and teacher to throw in another way .

    This org has to be employed . Amoung the problems of rehab.
    Is the top draft choice of the Yanks last year .
    The Fish P who actually , ‘ wanted to be a Yankee .” some
    thing the senior S. actually did not hear very often.
    Even the best Middle Relief P rookie has an arm problem .
    This goes on an on . The point is that this is something
    wrong in aquiring P and keeping P from going through operations .

    As to the two older picthers Pettitte: $16 million
    Mussina: $11 million – These two are bargins as these
    two kept the Yanks out of last place – last year.

    As to the need to replace them . This is immediate .
    This means you have to retain them till you have top
    P that are have no arm problem – will not develop arm
    problems – to take their place in constant production.

    Mussina at 11 million is a bargin to keep anyway as
    he probable has a better attitude than most other P’s

    CC Sabathia is THE BEST CHOICE IF HE AS YOU SAID DID NOT
    BURN OUT HIS ARM . IF A CONTRACT CAN BE STRUCTUREDD FOR
    THIS HE OUGHT TO BE SIGNED BY THE YANKS. – SOMEONE ELSE
    WILL SIGN HIM FOR HIGH MONEY AND THE YANKS SHOULD OFFER
    HIM LESS INNNG FOR AN EXCANGE OF THE HEALTH PROVISION .

    JOBA SHOULD NOT BE A STARTER -WHY ARM PROBLEMS . MIDDLE
    OR THE PRE CLOSER SEEMS A GOOD POSITION FOR HIM.
    YEARS AGO REGGETI ( SPELLING ) WAS MOVE FROM HIS EXCELLENT
    R.P. TO S.P. AND THIS WAS REALLY A TOTAL BACK FIRE. IT
    WORKED FOR A YEAR AND THEREAFTER IT FAILED -SAME WITH JOBA.

    PITCHING HAS TO HAVE ACES . THE YANKS DO NOT HAVE STOPPERS.
    FORD WAS A STOPPER IN HIS TIME . HUNTER WAS A STOPPER
    IN HIS TIME . EVEN STOTTLEMYER (SPEILLNG) WAS A STOPPER
    IN THE ERA OF THE CBS HOLDING OF OWNERSHIP AND NONE CARE .

    A CAMP SEASON WITH GOOD HITTING THAT HAS GOOD CLUTCH HITTING
    ( YANK NOW DO NOT HAVE CLUTCH HITTING ) NEED AT LEAST
    TWO ACE P. AND SOME 2 OTHERS THAT ARE GOOD P’S WITH GOOD
    TO GREAT R.P . THIS MEANS THE YANKS HAVE TO BUY THESE ACES.

    1ST B. RE SIGN GiambI – OBVIOUS HE IS NOT WORTH 21 MILLION,
    WITH HIS DRUG THING OVER AND HIS LOSS OF PRODUCTION .
    RE SIGN HIM FOR A YEAR AT 10 MILL OR 8 RENEWABLE FOR
    ANOTHER YR . OR GET TEX . GIAMBI IS GETTING ON IN YRS TOO.

    2ND CANO STAYS OR MAKE A BETTER CASE FOR A BETTER PLAYER
    THAT WILL AD MARGINAL VALUE TO CLUTCH HITTING .
    SS JETER STAYS BUT HE TOO HAS TO BE REPLACED -HIS INSIDE
    OUT SWING IS NOT DOING IT , AND HE IS NOT THE CLUTCH HITTER
    HE WAS YARS AGO .
    3RD BASE A ROD – A POOR CLUTCH HITTER IN ALL OF THE YANK
    PLAY OFFS . THIS WILL NOT DO . HE SHOULD BE TRADED FOR
    TOP PLAYERS OF OTHER TEAMS . NEED CLUTH HITTERS .

    C.
    PUDGE IS OLD , OLD , OLD . IF POSADA IS NOT COMING BACK
    AS A C . THE YANKS NEED A C. THEY GAVE UP THEIR FARM
    TEAM PICK TO THE RAYS , AND BAD MOUTHED HIM – WHEN
    A FEW YEARS BEFORE THE LAUDED HIM AS THE REPLACEMENT FOR
    POSADA . THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR YANK MANAGMENT .

    THEY HAVE TO SIGN PUDGE TO HAVE A C FOR NEXT YEAR .

    LF HELP , YOU HAVE THE YANK LF NOW LISTED AS DH . ALSO
    YOU HAVE DAMON WHO PLAYS HERE BECAUSE HE DOESN’T HAVE
    THE ARM FOR CF ANYMORE- NOR SPEED

    CF
    SOLUTION IS DEFINATED GET ADAM DUMM . I BELIEVE HE IS A
    CF AND THE YANKS NEED A CF . 3 YR CONTRACT AT MOST .
    BETTER A 1 YEAR CONTRACT IF HE HIT X NUMBER OF HR ‘S .
    HE IS NOT A CLUTH HITTER .

    RF .
    AGING BOBBY . HE FITS IN WITH A POSSIBLE TYPE OF TEAM
    THAT THAT WAITS ON THE RIGHT PITCH . HE HAS SOME CLUTCH
    HITTING ABILITY , BUT CERTAIN IS NOT A GOOD OR GREAT CLUTCH
    HITTER .

    CLUTCH HITTING POOR , THE REMEDY IS TO AQUIRE THE HITTING .

    IF HOLIDAY IS AVAILABLE GET HIM . DROP BOBBY OR ASK
    BOBBY TO PLAY CF AND SKIP ON DUNN.

    I PERSONALLY GREW UP IN THE BRONX AND A DEFAULT
    YANKEE FAN ASHAVING THE YANKEES THE ONLY TEAM THAT
    DID NOT LEAVE THE N.Y. CITY AREA SANS THE DODGERS AND GIANTS

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