Girardi thrilled that Cashman is back
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Just spoke to Joe Girardi, who was nice enough to return a call a few hours after he arrived home in Florida. Until he landed, he didn’t know for sure that Brian Cashman would return as GM.
“I found out around 5 o’clock,” he said. “I was thrilled.”
Girardi said having Cashman back at GM was a huge relief. “I think we worked well together and we share a vision for how this organization should move forward. I mean, he hired me as the manager. I wanted him to be there.”
Girardi said the organizational meetings would likely begin in Tampa in the middle of next month.
“Brian sounded excited when we talked. He wants to get started on doing what we need to do and I’m right there with him,” Girardi said. “I’m looking forward to seeing what we do. This was the first order of business and it worked out well.”
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Chad Jennings
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I’d sign Pudge to a 2 yr/$14 million doller deal to play 1st base if he’s open to that.
lol clint
please tell me you were joking!
id love to be a fly on the walls of those meetings
That’s why Cashman is the GM and not you Clint lol
It really is awesome though that we knew Cashman was the GM before Girardi did – awesome work as always Pete!!
What has Cashman done to deserve this?! He is an awful GM!
Heh. If only we got this honesty during the season.
Bill – I definitely would prefer a baseball guy as the GM. As long as Cashman listens to his advisers he’ll be good though. I really think that Girardi has told Cashman exactly what he wants to do with this team though. Cash can handle the rest…. We’ll see how it works out
Girardi knows that if Cashman had left and Buck had come in, he would be on shaky ground. If we got off to a slow start, Buck would fire Girardi and name himself manager AND GM.
JoeT – The Yankees have gotten worse every season that Cashman has been in charge.
Look at these rediculous signings…
Randy Johnson
Kevin Brown
Kei Igawa
Carl Pavano
Jaret Wright
Clemens (second time)
Kyle Farnsworth
Javier Vazquez
Jeff Weaver
And thats just the pitchers!!!
Not to mention blowing the deal on Santana, and also wanting Giambi instead of Ortiz.
Cashman took a dynasty and ran them into the ground.
This is already starting to feel like last year when we were all thrilled just to have the same old guys return.
2008 big signings:
ARod- oy vey
Posada- 4 years?!
Pettite – alright
Mo- Whew
2009
Pettite- Order an extra ice machine.
Abreu – Pad those walls!!
Marte- Lets take the Pepsi challenge on that
Giambi – for comic relief and to pick up the tab
…Holy John Danks, Batman
Can we please get Stick Michael back in charge?
this “playoff” game is boringgggg lol
Has anyone ever thrown a no hitter in a one game playoff game?
Danks will tonight. His stuff is just nasty.
“Marte- Lets take the Pepsi challenge on that”
That was funny but I have higher hopes for Coke.
Stick wanted Santana, he knew what he was talking about. Next time Cashman should listen to him. He built the dynasty while Cashman was standing on the sidelines.
Hmmm alot of people reposting in this thread. We get it you hate Cashman now move on. If Cash signs CC everyone in here will be singing his praises and calling for his contract extension.
The meetings start in the middle of next month, the meetings would have started today if George was still alive.
wonderful to know.
thank you for the update, pete.
Uh, George is still alive.
Unless you know something that all the eat writers, and ESPN have missed.
Bill, without going over your entire list, Randy Johnson and Jason Giambi were totally George Steinbrenner. So if you’re going to be down on Cashman, make sure you’re down on him for the right reasons.
P.S. to anyone else who thinks Brian is a mistake – he was around for the four world championships also.
Monday morning quarterbacking is always a breeze.
That, and nobody has ANY way to know how Santana would have performed. As someone aptly pointed out today, the Mets had Santana and they’re not in the postseason either.
Just my opinion.
GO TWINS!
If Cashman doesn’t get CC or AJ/Teixeria, there is going to be an awful lot of unhappy Yankee fans.
His hair is already gray from the stress Hank gave him, he can tolerate a little more barking.
What is more shocking?
Cashman’s announcement on thew 2nd day or the fact that Girardi returned Petes call?
Johan wouldn’t have saved this team from its lack of clutch hitting. If you need proof look at the Mets he couldn’t help David Wright hit a fly ball with a runner on third. A great pitcher can only win the games in which he pitches. Unless Johan is also a cleanup hitter who hits in the clutch as well his contributions wouldn’t have mattered
i really thinks Danks will get the no hitter
Al,
If we miss out on CC, passing on Santana is going to look even more devastating. And now that Joba’s shoulder is giving him problems, you have no idea what will happen to him next year. Plus Mussina is probably going to retire. Where are we going to get our ace from? Hell, where are we going to get pitching from? Another year of Wang and pray for rain?
Bill
September 30th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
What has Cashman done to deserve this?! He is an awful GM!
This is a ridiculous comment. He does everything we ask of him. We want the big name, he gets it. We want to go younger, he does it. He is a great GM and i am glad he came back.
just an aside but from what i’ve heard over the years,don cooper, the white sox pitching coach, would kill to be the yankee pitching coach.
that collision at home was twins baseball. it took a perfect throw to get him, and the runner just hammered the catcher. good play all around.
Not trading for Santana could still be Cashmans greatest move.
I have no problem trading Alfred E. Newman this off-season for some pitching or position help.
Cash does what the Steinbrenners wanted. He didnt want A-Rod. Hank did.
Exactly.
Hank/Hal overruled Cashman on A-Rod, Posada, Rivera, and Torre.
They can overrule him anytime.
Burnett wants to play for the Yankees. Yankees could do worse. So there’s one potential FA. I believe Hughes will be ready for the rotation (my opinion based on watching him). There are three potential members of the rotation. We’re not sure about Joba and won’t be, though “conventional wisdom” believed that with the Yankees out of the running he didn’t see any need to blow out his arm. And don’t forget he was checked by the best, and we all know the diagnosis.
Is it possible the Yankees will give Aceves a look-see?
There’s plenty of time to figure out the rotation. I wouldn’t panic at this point.
I also believe the Yankee players are going to come out with a different attitude. I think they had come to believe that making the playoffs was an automatic. Perhaps this is just what they needed to fire them up again.
“Al,
If we miss out on CC, passing on Santana is going to look even more devastating. And now that Joba’s shoulder is giving him problems, you have no idea what will happen to him next year. Plus Mussina is probably going to retire. Where are we going to get our ace from? Hell, where are we going to get pitching from? Another year of Wang and pray for rain?”
Obviously I was for the Santana trade and when it didn’t happen I was upset. However giving up Phil Hughes who is still going to be a decent pitcher for Santana who regardless of what “experts” say has experienced a drop in velocity and overall dominance a long with 150 million would have been too much. If CC is signed this all become a non issue if he doesn’t then things get ugly. However at this point in their careers I’d rather have CC over Santana and I think waiting a year for CC will have been worth it if Cash can seal the deal.
i like cash…no problem with him…seems like too many people dont like him just because they can…cause you know, if you bash the gm it makes you feel better as a “fan”…and please stop whining about not getting santana, it got old 6 months ago
“I have no problem trading Alfred E. Newman this off-season for some pitching or position help.”
t-rock, do you think we could get anything for him? I’d be all for that too.
span can fly. this could be interesting.
y26: I believe Cashman wasn’t too attached, to the idea of Torre returning.
don’t have any proof, tho.
Fast game.
I listened to Mattingly on WFAN and he sounded so sad about not getting picked as Yankees coach. In hindsight I think the Yanks should have made the obvious choice and picked Donnie. The players aren’t responding well to Girardi IMO.
“I believe Hughes will be ready for the rotation (my opinion based on watching him).”
On which one of his 2 starts are you basing this on because I know you’re not talking about his April work.
As someone who can always find a positive in just about every situation, the positive in our not being in the postseason, for me personally, is that I can actually concentrate on the games with a detached interest! No nervousness, no anxiety.
GO TWINKIES!
eckersley = crazy man
I am also glad the Yankess did not make the playoffs as now i can work on my needlepoint!
I get a similar joy every time I lose the lottery. No expensive accountant fees to pay!
Davey, well certainly I can look at the way he pitched those two games for the Yankees as a marked improvement over the way he had pitched earlier, but then we found out he had an injury so how much should we pay attention to those earlier starts?
I think Hughes has tremendous stuff plus a tremendous work ethic and a ton of maturity. So I just have a feeling that he will be ready to make the rotation is all.
trisha,
Doubt it— what team would want Alfred? The guy hasn’t shown is a ML caliber pitcher. He is already 24 and was reputed to be very polished and ML ready without must time needed to adjust. He was a guy who had superior control and a finished product. The fact that he struggled so much when he came up shows how much he sucks. He had no control, no out pitch, nothing.
Time to move on:
Girardi is the manager, Cashman the GM. George was the one who pushed for many of the players:
Giambi-then George said let’s get Ortiz-Cashman had to remind him we just signed Giambi for 1B/DH
George wanted Sheffield/Cash and Torre-Vlad
George always wanted Randy Johnson.
The Yankees are moving in the right direction to compete in the AL East-Two quality FA pitchers would be a start, then consider trading some of your minor league pitching talent for young athletic position players.
Davey, I didn’t say you had to share my feelings and experiences. Some people have bitter disappointment they haven’t yet gotten over, others were over it quickly since elimination came as no surprise. To each her or his own.
You guys will be lucky to get a backup catcher for Kennedy…
Atleast he has a career at Mad Magazine when he realizes he isin’t very good at baseball.
t-rock
He is pretty dismal!
Do people not realize that the Santana deal was not a 1 year deal…why don’t we give it a few years and see how it all unfolds
“Alfred E. Kennedy
September 30th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
You guys will be lucky to get a backup catcher for Kennedy…
Atleast he has a career at Mad Magazine when he realizes he isin’t very good at baseball”
not able to disagree.
Yankee Trader – good post.
In my mind I so called that.
1-0, White Sox
Dang!
I’m gonna feel so bad for the Twins if they lose this game.
don’t care what anyone say. TBS = excellent coverage/camerawork
it feels like you at the game.
Did Kennedy hold a press conference at the end of the season to tell us how he had a terrific year and had filthy stuff in the big leagues?
YEA CASH HAS A JOB TO FINISH, WE FINISHED IN THIRD PLACE THIS YR. When he is done with us, we will be in dead last.
WORST MOVE EVER!!!!!
Will everyone please stop with the whooole every mistake made under cashman had someone else pulling the strings? Is the guy untouchable? Somehow being in the organization as some assistant during the yrs we were building a dynasty, had something to do with him. But since cash has been made the GM, fans blame all his mistakes on everybody but cashman. Im sick of it – everything we did last yr is on cashmans head ALL OF IT. He has the power. No more oooh but the steinbrenners made him do it. BY THE END OF THESE 3 YRS, We will have went from a dynasty to a lauching stock with this moron at the helm. I hope he is forced into making group decisions with ppl that actually know baseball.
Damnit. Twins aren’t scoring off Jenks.
Go Rays.
I know he played in Texas and hes a head case but Milton Bradley could play 1B or corner outfield.
Needless to say, I’m thrilled Brian is back; I only hope that he was honest with Hank and aired out whatever problems he may have had with him so that we can start with a clean slate and Cash can get back to running the team instead of having to put out stupid brush fires.
I missed Michael Kay with Buster Olney; can anyone summarize? Did they mention AJ Burnett and where he may go?
thanks!
thome knocked the fruit punch outta that one
Rebecca –
You would believe Thome would want to revenge for his 3rd strike call at his last at bat. I knew he would blast it out too.
“Did Kennedy hold a press conference at the end of the season to tell us how he had a terrific year and had filthy stuff in the big leagues?”
vinny-b, definitely agree about TBS.
“I listened to Mattingly on WFAN and he sounded so sad about not getting picked as Yankees coach”
He was offered the bench coach job by Girardi but turned it down.
AL -
Milton can’t play 1B and isn’t one. He’s an outfielder.
Trisha,
I really want Hughes to thrive. And as a NY Yankee. It’s just that his most impressive work in the bigs was his playoff appearance last fall when he came in and saved the day for The Rockette. But even that high pressure achievement did not translate. In reality it is not his glimpses of success that is going to make Hughes realize his potential but rather his ability to overcome his failures. He seemed to be heading in the right direction with the late work you mention but he’s very far from the finish line. Then again he is so very young and has a lot of time. It’s critical for the Yankees to not have to rely on him next season. As everybody pretty much agrees here, The Yanks made a MAJOR error in judgement by penciling in those 2 guys for the rotation with no parachute.
Trisha-
Thanks. I know you want Abreu back, and except for walks, and base stealing efficiency, he overall was better than in 2007, but he also came into camp in better shape in a contract year. I think his best position going forward is DH, and right now we have a DH in Matsui and possibly Damon plus Posada on occassion.
On the fence about Abreu who will want a 3 year contract when players such as Bay, Holliday, Crawford, Ankiel, possibly Ordonez and Dye are coming up in 2010.
“YEA CASH HAS A JOB TO FINISH, WE FINISHED IN THIRD PLACE THIS YR. When he is done with us, we will be in dead last.
WORST MOVE EVER!!!!!
Will everyone please stop with the whooole every mistake made under cashman had someone else pulling the strings? Is the guy untouchable? Somehow being in the organization as some assistant during the yrs we were building a dynasty, had something to do with him. But since cash has been made the GM, fans blame all his mistakes on everybody but cashman. Im sick of it – everything we did last yr is on cashmans head ALL OF IT. He has the power. No more oooh but the steinbrenners made him do it. BY THE END OF THESE 3 YRS, We will have went from a dynasty to a lauching stock with this moron at the helm. I hope he is forced into making group decisions with ppl that actually know baseball.”
Gee, this is what missing the playoffs does to some people.
Yankee Trader –
earlier, AL from BK and I were discussing that Cashman should talk to Mark Sharpio about trading for Ryan Garko. Kelly Shoppach had emerged as an everyday catch, and V-Mart might shift to 1B. Although Garko doesn’t put up numbers like Giambi does but he has a decent batting average and a soild defender. Giambi makes him look like a gold glover. Agree?
if they can just convince Ian to change his name to something like Iandro Kenedaria maybe we can dump on Omar?
“AL -
Milton can’t play 1B and isn’t one. He’s an outfielder.”
I know that just throwing out suggestions Ed.
AL -
Lol ok…I still don’t get why could he pull a hamstring while arguing with the 1B umpire last season?
“if they can just convince Ian to change his name to something like Iandro Kenedaria maybe we can dump on Omar?”
Omar would do it without even looking at a scouting report!
“AL -
Lol ok…I still don’t get why could he pull a hamstring while arguing with the 1B umpire last season?”
lol I dunno. Actually he tore his ACL which is even more severe.
Game over. White S*x win.
This is some game
Go Twinkies!
Betsy,
Mostly Mets stuff but Olney thinks CC will go to the Angels. Though he does think we are going to have the best offer. Also thinks we will be in on Derek Lowe for 18 million per year for a 3 year deal. Didn’t mention us with Burnett, said he would be next in the pecking order after CC. Said we may poke around Manny Ramirez if he takes a short term deal for a lot of money rather than a 4 year deal. He stressed that we will be aggressive this off-season perusing free agents to try and rectify this season.
Ed and AL-
What would you be willing to give up for Garko, who’s signed for
“Said we may poke around Manny Ramirez if he takes a short term deal for a lot of money rather than a 4 year deal.”
This alone convinces me Olney has lost a few miles per hour.
Yankee Trader
September 30th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Trisha-
Thanks. I know you want Abreu back, and except for walks, and base stealing efficiency, he overall was better than in 2007, but he also came into camp in better shape in a contract year. I think his best position going forward is DH, and right now we have a DH in Matsui and possibly Damon plus Posada on occassion.
On the fence about Abreu who will want a 3 year contract when players such as Bay, Holliday, Crawford, Ankiel, possibly Ordonez and Dye are coming up in 2010.
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Nobody complained about Jeter’s base running last year when he was being picked off base and going 15-8 in steals, or this year when he was 11-5. why complain about Abreu’s who was no worse?
Have you or anyone paid attention to Ordonez playing right field this year? He’s worse than you say Abreu is and so is Guerrero. Milton is no longer an outfielder…he’s a DH. between the hamstring and groin pulls, bulky knee and bulkier attitude, he’s not worth the trouble.
Cashman is back. Well thats good and bad. Just recently he passed on Tori Hunter, Santana, and over rated all his prospects. He had one of the worst benches the team has ever had, and as far as minor league postion players he came up totally empty. Only Gardner has some promise if he can learn to hit. His pitchers in the minors are all thesame types, average fastballs, with location issues that need to be perfect with location to succeed.
He fails to realize that if a guy hits 330 in the NL that he probably will not hit anywhere near 330 in the AL east. He also hired the wrong manager for this year as well. His money management has been weak, with the most $$$ to spend he bought very little value.
On the positive side, not sure it makes sense to make any major moves with the ownership going through changes as well. Hopefully Cash will realize his mistakes, or get help when he evaluates pitchers, and perhaps he understands that other than the NL superstars, that anyone he takes fro the NL is not going to replicate those stats in the AL East.
He didn’t even talk with Hank—- Newsday said Hal was the one who negotiated the deal.
Brian will have full autonomy but understands Hank/Hal can overrule him at anytime like they did for A-Rod, Posada, and MO.
“Gee, this is what missing the playoffs does to some people”
You said a mouthfull there sir.
Cashman’s not perfect, and he has made mistakes; however, this team did win 89 games–good enough for the 4th best record in the al.
This team is not that far off—if and only if Cashman’s plan is successful. Time will tell.
By the way this is the first time in 26 years the Brewers have been in the Post-Season. 26. I was Two when they last made the show. Cashman has overseen and ran the day to day goings on of a team that has been to the playoffs 10 years in a row–making the world series 5 times winning 3. I think its safe to say Cashman earned this contract
Ed and Al-
Let’s try that again.
Don’t think Garko will be available, as Martinez was hurt most of the year and had no power.
Look at Garrett Atkins, converted 1st baseman playing 3rd for Rockies. Ian Stewart to take over 3rd and Helton at 1st.
Might he be available?
Hal = James Dolan. Doesn’t care about winning and only wants to sell seats. Has blind faith in a GM with a flawed plan, eerie similar to Dolan’s trust in Isiah.
This off-season will dictate the long term future of this franchise. Time to see if Hal is as committed as George and if the Yankees still stand for winning at all costs.
Can we say, “Stay the course”?
I am thrilled that Cash is coming back.
Olney also said that the 2 L.A. teams were unlikely to chase Sabathia in terms of financially competing w/the Yanks. he did speculate about perhaps S.F. But he didn’t seem to have any real basis for his opinion.
let’s see if Sabathia cares about his geographical location if there is a $50 million difference in offers.
Anybody who missed Olney on Kay’s show here’s the link to audio: http://stations.espn.go.com/st.....owId=mkay1
“Ed and AL-
What would you be willing to give up for Garko, who’s signed for”
It isn’t as if Garko is a Cleveland core guy and he has become expendable if they choose to move Victor Martinez to 1B. I would say they might bite on a few mid level pitchers maybe even IPK.
Sorry guys, but most of the pundits think the Yankees will “sniff/poke” around Manny. He is ours if we him. But what do they know!!!
read “He is ours if we want him”
Man, Girardi never returns my calls. What’s your secret Pete?
Manny would be an awful fit for NY.
“Ed and Al-
Let’s try that again.
Don’t think Garko will be available, as Martinez was hurt most of the year and had no power.
Look at Garrett Atkins, converted 1st baseman playing 3rd for Rockies. Ian Stewart to take over 3rd and Helton at 1st.
Might he be available?”
I would bite on Atkins, however not for an extensive package.
The bottom line I am counting on is that they won’t want Manny. In fact I am so convinced of it that I will add that as number 5 to my prediction list.
5. Yankees won’t go anywhere near Manny.
No way San Francisco is going to sink nearly 300 million dollars in two pitchers, when they aren’t drawing and have no offense past Winn and Molina.
Cashman is what he is…a mediocre GM.
Some good, some bad. Overvalues kids, doesn’t have a great eye for talent, picks up scraps and tries to turn water into wine. Good reputation in the league, limited creativity, lacks fortitude to make bold moves. Smart guy, handles the NY media well. Has done nothing in 3 years, lets other teams outbid us for good players, too conservative. Players like him, solid at making trades.
Sums him up well. Hal, like Cashman, lack creativity and didn’t have the guts to explore the market for another GM and didn’t know where to look. So, he took the safe choice.
Yankee Trader –
Garrett Atkins will be expensive, prospects wise. Plus, his away numbers is that great.
Yankee Trader
Garret Atkins 3 year splits:
Home: .345 ba, .407 obp. .948 ops
Away: .270 ba, .346 obp. .792 ops
coors field effect?
Green, they can always shop Cain for a young position player if they sign CC.
“Man, Girardi never returns my calls. What’s your secret Pete?”
bgod375, it’s called “after the beating Girardi took from the press, he’s willing to do just about anything.” In fact I bet if you had his number and called and said you were a member of the press, he’d return your call too!
“Manny would be an awful fit for NY.”
Not so fast Becca. Short of Manny just giving up and not coming out to play what could go wrong. I am sure Manny would like to come home to NY and be the hero down here instead of the villain. Also don’t forget his “friend” A-Rod is here and Manny would more than make up for A-Rods no show nights in the clutch A-Rod Manny back to back would have other managers scratching their heads. Do I think it will happen not likely but it isn’t a terrible idea.
For Tom.
Comparing the Brewers to the Yankees is lauhable. The Brewers GM would DIE for 1/12 of the Yankees payroll. The Brewers GM would love to have a draw for FA`s like NYC, the history, and tradition. Please, Cashman under achieved with the $$$ he has to play with every year. I also bet the Brewers GM would DIE for owners like the Steinbrenners who allow the GM the ability to pick up key parts whenever they are needed. Saying he “earned” it is over board.
GB7
“Nobody complained about Jeter’s baserunning last year when he was being picked off base and going 15-8 in steals.”
No, you are right-they focused on his limited range and GIDP’s.
The reality however is Jeter is not a FA, but the face of the franchise, who along with Rivera and Posada, better be on the phone this fall making calls to Sabathia to come to the Yankees!!
All I said is I’m on the fence about Abreu, especially if it’s a 3 year guaranteed contract.
“Manny would be an awful fit for NY.”
it’d be interesting with him hitting after arod.
they’d be the best 3-4 hitters in baseball.
something to think about.
oh, and regarding the Brewers making the playoffs, if Baltimore was in the NL West or Central they`d be in too. That league is horrible
If Manny takes a short term deal, I’d do it.
A-Rod is his best friend, he will be fine here.
NITRO
September 30th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Green, they can always shop Cain for a young position player if they sign CC.
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They’re still not putting 300 million into Sabathia and Zito.
i want this baseball game to end in the next five minutes so I can see all of SVU
Randy, what I think it would do is take pressure off Arod. He no longer would be the top gun or best hitter on the team, that might make him produce more in clutch situations
How did Phil Coke get such nasty stuff?
He has better stuff than Hughes or Kennedy!
the White Sox is going to the playoffs!!
nice try Twins, you did made it this far without Hunter and Santana.
Well, that’s *one* way to end the game.
And yay! I can see all of SVU!
All right Chi-Sox! I like they’re ability to beat Boston instead of Minny, if the need arises.
Everyone keeps talking about Manny. Don’t the Dodgers have a club option on him? I know it is high, but they have the money, and the opportunity to sign him to a 1 year deal is worth every penny for them. I do not see him hitting the market.
Brian Anderson did saved the game with the nice catch.
Al from BK – I think you are looking for another version of Manny that just doesn’t exist since he has always claimed his idiotic antics are just Manny being Manny.
1. urinates in the outfield
2. misses balls and laughs on his way into the dugout
3. said this about not winning in the postseason: “If it doesn’t happen, who cares? There’s always next year. It’s not the end of the world.”
4. shuts himself down when he doesn’t feel like playing.
The guy is an idiot. I wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole. To me he is a dumb version of Gary Sheffield – talented but trouble.
Minny
White soxs stink. Rays will roll over them.
Tampa-White Sox?
What a boring series.
A Rays-BoSox ALCS would be quite eventful.
Wow, congrats to the White Sox
Twinkies
L&O SVU time
I really hope Tampa gets embarrassed
I feel bad for Nick Blackburn, he was crying when the cameras was on him.
Two best teams in baseball will meet in the ALCS. Angels and Rays. Rays pitching is going to be REAL tough in the postseason. If Edwin Jackson hits the strike zone, he and Garza will be the best pitchers on that staff. Postseason play seems to be dominated by pitchers who through hard heat with some movement, which both of those guys do.
“randy l
September 30th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
“Manny would be an awful fit for NY.â€
it’d be interesting with him hitting after arod.
they’d be the best 3-4 hitters in baseball”
not nearly as good as Manny/Ortiz were.
It takes more than payroll to build winners. The three most expensive teams in baseball–yanks, mets, det did not make the playoffs. Milwalkee did not begin to win until they made a commitment to scouting and developing players.
As far as I’m concerned he did earn it. 11 years as GM 10 years in the playoffs, 5 world series, 3 world series wins. Yup fire his butt.
I really wanted Minny to win because I like them much better as a team and really like Gardenhire. I’ll be happy to see the White Sox gets their butts kicked by the Rays.
Go Rays
Screw the Chi Sox
God watching how a team like the White Sox win playing bad baseball I hope Cash is not thinking of blue printing this team to be a team full of sluggers in 09′ that would absolutely suck !
how’d you like to be a pitcher and see jeter on first and arod and manny coming up.
i’d do it.
people might think manny would set a bad example for players like cano, but actually he’s an incredibly hard worker hitting wise. he’s really a student of hitting.
and he seems to always be in the playoffs one way or another.
he’s always been on winning teams.
Wow, is a Chicago “El” Series possible?
Highly doubt it but ya never know.
Sweet Lou vs. Crazy Ozzie…would be fun tv.
“Al from BK – I think you are looking for another version of Manny that just doesn’t exist since he has always claimed his idiotic antics are just Manny being Manny.
1. urinates in the outfield
2. misses balls and laughs on his way into the dugout
3. said this about not winning in the postseason: “If it doesn’t happen, who cares? There’s always next year. It’s not the end of the world.â€
4. shuts himself down when he doesn’t feel like playing.
The guy is an idiot. I wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole. To me he is a dumb version of Gary Sheffield – talented but trouble.”
None of that really concerns me Trish results do. He has obviously wanted out of Boston for years and those were simply acts of defiance IMO. Yes he is a goof ball but his talent and production is undeniable. The Sheffield comparison is also a bit harsh, Manny is not a malicous guy with a vendetta Sheffield is. Also Sheffield is about 1/2 the hitter Manny is.
“bdog375
September 30th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Everyone keeps talking about Manny. Don’t the Dodgers have a club option on him? I know it is high, but they have the money, and the opportunity to sign him to a 1 year deal is worth every penny for them. I do not see him hitting the market.”
One of the conditions that Manny laid down to waive the NTC was that his option would not be picked up. That was agreed to, so they aren’t going to pick up the option, he is a FA.
God watching how a team like the White Sox win playing bad baseball I hope Cash is not thinking of blue printing this team to be a team full of sluggers in 09′ that would absolutely suck !
Brandon –
I hope Cash would trade for Ryan Garko if Teixiera’s contract is ridiously dumb.
Yeah but randy he doesn’t really care if he wins in the playoffs. After all there’s always next year!
Anyway, I think I see a theme emerging here (though I could be wrong) and it’s that those who are disgruntled with Cashman want Manny.
My guess is your success will be the same as it was in getting rid of Cashman.
John Danks with a CC-like performance.
Re-signing Cashman sets a bad example: there are no consequences for terrible performance. The list of Cashman mistakes is very long. He should not have been rewarded with a new contract.
Re-signing Cashman sets a bad example: there are no consequences for terrible performance. The list of Cashman mistakes is very long. He should not have been rewarded with a new contract.
I also wanted Minny to win, but Jr. deserves another chance at postseason, so not all is lost. He still has one of the most beautiful swings in baseball.
Yankees and whitesox 1 game playoff!
I hope he signs Manny before December 1.
Manny would not do well under Girardi. That just doesn’t seem likely at all to happen.
I really like Manny’s bat, but I don’t want to see him on the Yankees. Let him stay in the NL on the west coast.
The White Sox are the worst model to build a team around.
A boring, swing for the fences team full of 30+ players (Griffey, Konerko, Thome, Dye, Wise, AJ, O-Cab etc.) with no speed, bad defense, mediocre pitching.
Thank the AL Central.
Yankees and whitesox 1 game playoff!
if only we could get Bud Slieg drunk enough to agree.
Lets hope hughes can be John Danks
Trish,
Manny is correct, it may kill you to believe it but it’s a GAME! Everybody plays to win but every year many teams don’t make it to the post-season, should those guys go hang themselves? It’s a game, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
I would never compare Manny with Sheff in terms of that surly nastiness that Sheff possesses!
Manny assured himself that he would never see the Bronx when he whacked out Pukeface and knocked down the 70-year-old traveling secretary.
While you may think that results are the only things that matter, you have to know that the Yankees pay attention to a lot more, including how well the person would fit. I agree with Rebecca. There is no fit there.
My opinion.
The White Sox have owned the Angels in recent years, almost Boston-like ownage. If they advance and the Angels advance, they will go to the WS.
I’ve read that Magglio Ordonez might be traded because the Tigers are looking to get their salary under $100mil. He’s supposed to make like $18mil next year, but if the Yankees can’t get Teixeira at a price they like, getting Ordonez to replace Abreu would help the offense, don’t you think?
Minny deserved to the win tonight, I wanted them to get to the ALCS it would have broken this CRAPPY movement to land XBOX sluggers that care about nothing but thier stats. Ed that would be something interesting I do miss having blue chippers instead of All Stars that crack under pressure because thier way is not beneficial to a team.
Scoprio, we’re not talking here about whether or not Manny is right or wrong, just about whether he would fit in the Bronx.
That statement, as you well know, would never play in the Bronx. Neither would just about anything that Manny pulls.
Danks > Hughes
Plus Danks is a lefty.
Hank watched that game tonight and called Cashman immediately and asked him to trade for Griffey and Thome when the season was over.
Ozzie Guillen really annoys me.
Oh well.
I don’t much care at this point, as long as the Sux and Dodgers aren’t there in the end. But especially the Sux.
Trading for Magglio wouldn’t take much because of how much he makes. The Yankees would still get the draft picks from letting Abreu go and probably get draft picks from Magglio the following year after declining his option.
“While you may think that results are the only things that matter, you have to know that the Yankees pay attention to a lot more, including how well the person would fit. I agree with Rebecca. There is no fit there.
My opinion.”
Fair enough. However with the likely departure of Giambi, who exactly will protect A-Rod in the line-up? Lets face it not even Giambi did a good job the Yanks need a “dangerous” hitter behind A-Rod in the line-up and please don’t tell me that hitter is Matsui or Nady.
Manny is not built to handle NY it’s a whole different world than Boston and I don’t want to think what he would do to the locker room all this he’s a gamer is pure BS, the minute he becomes a distraction, I can just see Manny and GI Joe coming near blows one day, or Georgy and him, Manny is the type of guy looks wonderous from far, see him upclose and he’ll piss you off.
If Joba’s shoulder is hurting again then Mike Francessa might get his wish… Joba might be moved to then permanently and take over for Mariano.
melky and kennedy for MAGGLIO
Ordonez isn’t that great. If you are planning on bringing in a mid 30’s outfielder it should be Manny.
Forget Manny. Sign Teixeira and trade Nady for Magglio Ordonez.
LF Damon
SS Jeter
RF Ordonez
3B Rodriguez
1B Teixeira
DH Matsui
C Posada
2B Cano
CF Gardner
Did anyone catch thelast Joe Girardi show?
I saw it and noted that he said Hughes, Melky &Cervelli will all be playing winter ball but with Ian Kennedy, Joe said he wasn’t sure…does this imply the Yanks don’t give a dime about Kennedy anymore?
Al, why wouldn’t you think that Matsui could do the job? Or how about Jorge?
Did you guys just see Torre’s answer about the Cubs curse? Joe’s still the master of the sound bite. I am really very happy for him.
Dodgers vs Angels. The Road Rage Series!
Well, the Sox certainly earned their berth. Congrats for winning the best division in all of baseball. haha.
Did everyone get their Cash bash out of their system? Jeez, you guys could have a forum dedicated to the subject.
It’d be cool to give Manny a 1-yr deal. Hi-jinx and hi, deep fly balls.
Poll question. Who’s the first FA signed by the Yankees in the off-season?
The thing about getting Ordonez is that its a 1 year deal and you actually get draft picks the following year when he leaves. Signing Manny will be a 3 year deal at big money for a guy that shouldn’t be on this team. Plus, the Yankees need to give up picks to get him.
Bronx Jeers,
So what did Torre say??
“If Joba’s shoulder is hurting again then Mike Francessa might get his wish… Joba might be moved to then permanently and take over for Mariano.”
I’m sure Jobas injury isn’t at all career threatening. Its likely fatigue, nobody takes into account that Joba was turned into a reliever out of necessity he had been a starter his entire career prior to last July/August.
DODGERS and Cubs Upset written all over it
Ask the players how Manny would fit in New York. I bet they would love to have him.
This team doesnt have room for Manny.
Matsui is the DH next year. He is not getting moved.
Damon cannot play CF every day.
Guys, ENOUGH WITH THE VETS AND PAYCHECKS!!
Bring in role players who know how to win and do the little things to win games. Watch the Twins today and you see what a championship team looks like.
We need players like Gardner, Mienkeiwitcz, Scott Podsedink, Andy Phillips, Juan Pierre, Alex Cora, Craig Counsell, Will Nieves, Miguel Cairo, Duncan, Molina, Dave Roberts, Willie Taverez, Casey Blake, Mike Lamb, Lo Duca, Reggie Wiltis, etc.
Players who want to win and will do whatever it takes to win.
And X is still a better player than Maggs in the OF, I value defense as well as offense so there is no point in going after Maggs.
i was thinking if we dont resign abreu could we try and trade for magglio ordonez
“Al, why wouldn’t you think that Matsui could do the job? Or how about Jorge?”
You seem to be living in the past if you think Matsui or Posada are still “dangerous” hitters. If an opposing manager has to choose between pitching to A-Rod or a 36 year old catcher coming off of shoulder surgery A-Rod would never see a pitch.
Torre: ” You’re talking to the former manager of the team that lost to Red Sox after taking a 3-0 lead so don’t talk to me about whether or not I believe in curses.”
Something to that effect
Manny or no Manny! No Manny!!
Dodgers made the playoffs with Manny. My guess is they resign Manny, since other money is coming off the books, and don’t go after CC.
Agree with GB7-Giants can’t afford to get CC at the expense of poor hitting.
Angels will need to decide if they are spending on Teixiera, Rodriguez, and already have starting pitching.
He will not be signed by Oakland and would be foolish to sign with Seattle.
Since there are so few quality free agents this year, and the economy is on the brink, plus insurance companies won’t insure these big contracts, I suspect a lot of free agents will be offerred a minor league contract. Wonder if Lehman’s had a skybox in the new stadium, that they now cannot pay for?
The organization doesn’t care about Kennedy. They took Rasner out of the rotation, brought up Kennedy, then re-inserted Rasner in the rotation after Kennedy’s start. They didn’t even give him a couple of starts, they had seen enough. Girardi and Cashman never mention him when they talk about the kids, they didn’t even bring him up after the playoffs were over to enjoy the final days of the stadium as a reward.
He is trade bait, they don’t give a damn about him anymore
“Ask the players how Manny would fit in New York. I bet they would love to have him.”
Mel, think Jeter. That would be the day Jeter would appreciate a clown who sits out games when he feels like it and never busts it down the line.
Haha, classic Torre, thx!
And I can’t wait til someone tries to tell Manny he can’t admire his homers.
Manny is SO not Yankee material it isn’t funny.
The solution to this DH/OF problem is to ship one of the geriatrics out. Damon/Matsui one of them needs a plane ticket out of town IMO.
AP,
lol. You lost me at Andy Phillips. Wait, is that you?
Seriously, I like your thoughts. I would love to play Angel type of ball. Get Girardi players who can move guys and move themselves as well. Love the long ball, but this station to station crap’s got to go.
If the Dodgers don’t pursue CC. Are the Yankees the only suitors?
“We need players like Gardner, Mienkeiwitcz, Scott Podsedink, Andy Phillips, Juan Pierre, Alex Cora, Craig Counsell, Will Nieves, Miguel Cairo, Duncan, Molina, Dave Roberts, Willie Taverez, Casey Blake, Mike Lamb, Lo Duca, Reggie Wiltis, etc.”
Those guys could sit on the bench next September when the rosters are expanded, but don’t you think it’s more interesting to talk about the 25 man roster the Yankees will use for most of the season?
Oh man is SVU disturbing.
“You seem to be living in the past if you think Matsui or Posada are still “dangerous†hitters.”
Seriously. I guess you didn’t see Matsui get on base much after he came back from his injury, huh?
Yes I believe that Matsui and Jorge are both dangerous hitters so I guess I will just keep on “living in the past.”
Actually, if Magglio gets more than 500 PA’s next year his deal becomes 2 years longer… now I know why the Tigers want to unload him.
If the Dodgers don’t pursue CC. Are the Yankees the only suitors?
Supposively the Giants but IDK what sense that would make.
Brandon, wasn’t there also talk of Minaya wanting CC?
Al,
Unless A-rod adjusts what he’s doing at the plate, he’ll see pitches all day, everyday.
Just the other week, they went at A-rod. He got out and they intentionally walked whomever was behind him.
The Yankees lost their bite. The pitchers aren’t intimidated and are pitching with great confidence to all the Yankees. Well, they were a little careful pitching to Gardner & Nady towards the end. What a hoot.
But I digress. Pitchers figured out that they didn’t have to work too hard to get us out. Even if guys got on base, there was a good chance we weren’t going to push them across home plate.
But, if we can get rid of the hit or miss guys. Get Posada back, even if it’s just at the plate. Get Matsui’s consistent production back. Get a revamped Robi. And a healthy Jeter. A clear-headed Alex. A new beginning at a new stadium, I think they’ll be good to go.
Matsui hit .209 after the all-star break with an ops under .600. He will be a productive hitter next year, but the Yankees need someone that will make pitchers pitch to A-Rod and can be counted on to play a full season.
“Watch the Twins today and you see what a championship team looks like.”
they are in the same situation we are in…the outside looking in
Brandon, wasn’t there also talk of Minaya wanting CC?
That’s speculation.
Mel-
Who’s the first FA signed by the Yankees?
I’m going to go with Marte, they’ll decline the 6M option and sign him for two years guaranteed.
My second guess would be Burnett.
My hope is that it isn’t Pettitte, because he’s going nowhere, and I’d like to see us sign 2 FA starters that can give you a solid 7 innings most times out, and Pettitte clearly isn’t a 200 innings pitcher anymore. Pettitte back as last resort.
Now if Mussina doesn’t retire, he’ll be the first FA signing.
Oh geez, I was supposed to get only one guess. Right?
““You seem to be living in the past if you think Matsui or Posada are still “dangerous†hitters.â€
Seriously. I guess you didn’t see Matsui get on base much after he came back from his injury, huh?
Yes I believe that Matsui and Jorge are both dangerous hitters so I guess I will just keep on “living in the past.—
Matsui is having another knee surgery very soon and will basically be immobile. I would have to believe that eventually this many operations on the Knees of a guy in his 30’s would take a toll on his overall production. Don’t get me wrong they are both great hitters but “dangerous” is a word reserved for Pujols, Ortiz, and Manny.
*that Alex and the IBB happened with a man in scoring position.
“”"”"JoeT – The Yankees have gotten worse every season that Cashman has been in charge.
Look at these rediculous signings…
Randy Johnson
Kevin Brown
Kei Igawa
Carl Pavano
Jaret Wright
Clemens (second time)
Kyle Farnsworth
Javier Vazquez
Jeff Weaver”"”"”
Everyone would have wanted Randy Johnson.
Everyone wanted Kevin Brown
Everyone wanted Carl Pavano
Everyone wanted Roger Clemens
Kyle Farnsworth was and still is considered a quality reliever by most talent evaluators and GMs
Everyone wanted Vazquez
Everyone wanted Weaver.
The signings all made sense when they were made. You win some, you lose some.
Give him some credit for the things he did RIGHT. Arod, Abreu, Cano, Wang, Rivera, Matsui, Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, and more.
“If the Dodgers don’t pursue CC. Are the Yankees the only suitors?
Supposively the Giants but IDK what sense that would make.”
CC would have a 2.00 ERA and still lose 15 games.
I think having Manny on the team would help A-Rod tremendously. That’d be a devastating 3-4 combo, and I think Manny would have a ton of fun playing in New York and getting back at Boston.
You want to make a move in the off-season that will make the division (especially Boston) panic? Then sign Manny.
There is nothing Manny wants more than to crush the Red Sox as a Yankee in 2009.
Look at this line up:
Damon
Jetter
Abreu
Manny
A-Rod
Nady
Cano or another 2nd baseman
Posada
You pick our first baseman .
Godzilla needs to be traded.
Oh, yeah. Someone brought up Santana and his sparkling record/ERA. Neither one would be so sparkling in the AL East.
Now, I’m not trashing Johan. Would love to have him as a resident on the right side of the tracks. But don’t insult our intelligence by bringing up the stats in an inferior league.
And Patrick, talking about how we didn’t trade Tabata for Johan, but we did for Marte & Nady. Hello? Tabata’s antics that caused his stock to plummet occurred after the Santana deal, and Cash did a nice job of moving the bruised fruit.
“I think having Manny on the team would help A-Rod tremendously. That’d be a devastating 3-4 combo, and I think Manny would have a ton of fun playing in New York and getting back at Boston.
You want to make a move in the off-season that will make the division (especially Boston) panic? Then sign Manny.”
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Is Jesus Montero our 1st baseman in 2 years, or our catcher when Posada’s contract up in 3 years?
“If the Dodgers don’t pursue CC. Are the Yankees the only suitors?
Supposively the Giants but IDK what sense that would make.â€
The Dodgers are trying to cut down payroll that is why they want redsox to pay for manny contract so dodgers are not going to sign CC. I dont think the giants who still have a huge contract with Zito want another big contract with a pitcher
If the Dodgers don’t pursue CC, to say the Yankees are the only suitors is a pretty bad assumption to make. The man is one of, if not, the most dominant lefty in the game, c’mon. Dodgers, Angels, Sox, Tigers, Yankees, Mets, etc… They are ALL going to be suitors, from what you hear or not, you have to believe that they all want him, and they can all afford him. Its a pretty optimistic thought to think the Yankees will be the only suitors for CC if the Dodgers back out of the race. Don’t get your hopes up on that one.
“Oh, yeah. Someone brought up Santana and his sparkling record/ERA. Neither one would be so sparkling in the AL East.
Now, I’m not trashing Johan. Would love to have him as a resident on the right side of the tracks. But don’t insult our intelligence by bringing up the stats in an inferior league.
And Patrick, talking about how we didn’t trade Tabata for Johan, but we did for Marte & Nady. Hello? Tabata’s antics that caused his stock to plummet occurred after the Santana deal, and Cash did a nice job of moving the bruised fruit.”
If Santana’s ERA were adjusted for the AL East it would be sitting around 3.50-4.00.
“devastating 3-4 combo, and I think Manny would have a ton of fun playing in New York and getting back at Boston.
You want to make a move in the off-season that will make the division (especially Boston) panic? Then sign Manny.â€
Couldn’t have said it better myself.”
Amen plus Manny and Arod are supposely best friends
Al,
That’s still great, but I still don’t want it thrown in my face every five minutes.
Jesus Montero is more than likely going to be our 1B and Romine is probably going to be our catcher in 3-4 years. I would love for a bat like Montero to be our catcher, but the kid is going to grow out of the position (more than likely, though its still possible). I still think he ends up at 1B and Romine is our C of the future, very underated kid in our system.
AL from BK
Matsui only had one knee surgery and I believe it was on the right knee (or left?)which hasn’t been an issue. The left (or right?)one will now get repaired. His only other real injury was the broken wrist in 2006.
“If the Dodgers don’t pursue CC, to say the Yankees are the only suitors is a pretty bad assumption to make. The man is one of, if not, the most dominant lefty in the game, c’mon. Dodgers, Angels, Sox, Tigers, Yankees, Mets, etc… They are ALL going to be suitors, from what you hear or not, you have to believe that they all want him, and they can all afford him. Its a pretty optimistic thought to think the Yankees will be the only suitors for CC if the Dodgers back out of the race. Don’t get your hopes up on that one.”
Yankees will offer him the most money plus are other teams Tigers, Dodgers wants to cut down the salary mets have santana already and i dont see them getting CC. The Angels have to sign alot of players K-rod,Lackey,TEX,etc.The Redsox might be in there just to drive up the price
“If the Dodgers don’t pursue CC, to say the Yankees are the only suitors is a pretty bad assumption to make. The man is one of, if not, the most dominant lefty in the game, c’mon. Dodgers, Angels, Sox, Tigers, Yankees, Mets, etc… They are ALL going to be suitors, from what you hear or not, you have to believe that they all want him, and they can all afford him. Its a pretty optimistic thought to think the Yankees will be the only suitors for CC if the Dodgers back out of the race. Don’t get your hopes up on that one.”
Sorry but I have to disagree. Dodgers perhaps but they might not want to spend 150 million on CC. The Red Sox don’t need him but I’m sure they’ll be involved just to drive up the price. The Tigers maybe. The Mets are going to be focused heavily on K-Rod and secondly if CC were to come to NY at all it would be to the Yanks and not the Mets. The Giants might get in on it but why would he want to pitch for a team with no offense and a suspect bullpen?
I just realized something. Adding Manny would take half the media spotlight away from Arod so he’d feel less pressure to perform, which would in turn make him more clutch.
Okay, I am never going to be able to think of a baseball bat in the same way ever again.
“If Santana’s ERA were adjusted for the AL East it would be sitting around 3.50-4.00.”
espically with his 88-91 Fastball
Primo-
Matsui has a NTC, and Manny would be a disaster in left field in Yankee Stadium. Plus he’s a nonconformist to club rules and won’t cut his hair, plus once he has a guaranteed contract he’ll do whatever he pleases, including not playing when Holliday is pitching. Manny just being Manny with the average intelligence of an eraser. That’s why nothing bothers him!
Rebecca,
Ahem. It doesn’t come on for another 5 hours here.
“AL from BK
Matsui only had one knee surgery and I believe it was on the right knee (or left?)which hasn’t been an issue. The left (or right?)one will now get repaired. His only other real injury was the broken wrist in 2006.”
2 knee surgeries in less than a year is nothing to sneeze at. Those injuries effectively ended his career in the field.
You think manny wont be pumped to get back at the redsox?
“If Santana’s ERA were adjusted for the AL East it would be sitting around 3.50-4.00.”
um, I seem to recall Santana dominating the American League as well. Two Cy Youngs if you have forgotten.
“I just realized something. Adding Manny would take half the media spotlight away from Arod so he’d feel less pressure to perform, which would in turn make him more clutch.”
Never thought of it that way pretty interesting.
Cash-
Not saying the Yankees won’t offer him the most money. I think they will hand the money as much money as he wants. But the Angels are going to be smart with their money this year. They will pick up Vlad’s option, do what they can to resign Tex, Anderson is going to walk, K-Rod is going to walk (they have a ton of faith in Arrendando to close, the kid has filthy stuff and proved that this year). They will still be suitors in the CC sweepstakes, especially since Escobar is still a ? after his surgery and Garland is going to be gone. The Mets may have shelled out a lot of money to CC, but it doesn’t mean they aren’t willing to offer CC some as well. They really don’t have a lot of cash coming off of the books, but with a new field and clearly a big market, they can still afford it and O will do all in his power to once AGAIN (haha), make up for this year’s collapse. Red Sox will clearly drive up the price, I don’t see them being real suitors, but you really never know. You still have to go with the idea that big markets will be in the running. Regardless of the Tigers wanted to limit payroll, they have very very little depth in their starting rotation and they know that. They just finished last in the AL Central, I am sure they will be willing to pay CC some serious cash as well.
hand the man*
The best thing the Yankees can do to sign CC is put on the full court press, bring him and his family to NYC, wine and dine him and have Jeter, Posada and Rivera show him around the new stadium, and tell him if he makes the all star team next year he will be allowed to enter the home run hitting contest!!!
mel: What? I didn’t spoil anything!
YT,
To be fair, Manny’s not dumb. I think he has some kind of disability. There was a long article about him in the New Yorker I think. It’s not something he does consciously.
Anyway, it’s not going to happen. But I think it’s silly to say no to that kind of bat. I think he’d be a better fit than Shef ever was. I also think he could fit right into the Big G’s shoes as the team character.
But it’s not going to happen.
I think that the Dodgers are going to be forced to bring him back. He’s a good fit and he’s rejuvenated Dodger baseball in LA. And really, they basically paid him a zero-based salary this season.
“Matsui has a NTC, and Manny would be a disaster in left field in Yankee Stadium. Plus he’s a nonconformist to club rules and won’t cut his hair, plus once he has a guaranteed contract he’ll do whatever he pleases, including not playing when Holliday is pitching. Manny just being Manny with the average intelligence of an eraser. That’s why nothing bothers him!”
Manny is a average fielder that is not his strong point and not the reason you got him here. You tell him If he want to cut his hair he can become a yankee if not then you dont sign him period. Manny didnt do that all last year, he started doing it this year because he was unhappy about his contract when he gets his contract he will not complain.
OK, not a fan of the new ADA on L&O SVU.
Who gives a poop if he cuts his hair. We’re talking about the best hitter in the game. Let’s get real here, do we want to win championships, or do we want to breed GQ models?
Manny plays the game with a lot of pride, and what happened in Boston goes much deeper than him just “not feeling like playing”.
“um, I seem to recall Santana dominating the American League as well. Two Cy Youngs if you have forgotten.”
That is when he has 94-96mph fastball now his fastball is only 88-91 max
SA: Me neither.
Get Girardi some role players who will obey him and do the little things to win games like bunt, steal, play good D, manufacture runs.
The more vets on this team, the more difficult you are making Girardi’s job. They will alienate him
You committed to Girardi, now give him players he needs. Girardi doesn’t know how to play Bully baseball.
Girardi > Donnie Baseball
Tony Pena > Donnie Baseball
I would have rather kept Torre than hire Donnie. What credentials does he have?
Only way I see Manny in pinstripes is if one of two scenarios happen…
1) Matsui learns how to play 1B, which he said he is willing to do. I personally don’t like the idea. We haven’t had a real 1B since Tino. Sicne then we’ve had players who we’ve just kinda thrown in there and asked them to learn the position. But, if Matsui does end up trying to learn the position then Manny could be our DH and we don’t have to worry about looking for a 1B.
2) We trade Matsui. The man has very little value right now, so I don’t see this happening.
I don’t see either scenario happnening to be honest. I see Manny chillin’ back in Dodger Blue in 09′.
Rebecca,
No you didn’t. But if I see a bat in the episode…!
I don’t see the Yankees giving a blank check to CC. A just above-market price to come play for the Yankees should be enough of a pitch.
Don’t forget, the Yankees have to replace Giambi’s bat and glove (guffaw).
That’s why I suggested that the Yankees *might* prefer an AJ/Tex combo over CC.
AJ’s older, but I think he’s entering his prime right now. He’ll command a shorter contract in the 4 yr/$60M range. CC’s looking to cash in at a 7 yr/$140M type of deal.
I don’t even want to think what it’ll take to get Tex, but 1B is a priority as far as I’m concerned.
CaShbum-
I think you forgot that Manny was out with an “injury” during the month of September in 2007. No doubt the man can hit-when he’s motivated!
My bet is Manny will not be a Yankee-Dodger or Philly, but not a Yankee.
Rebecca & SA,
The crusader?
“OK, not a fan of the new ADA on L&O SVU.”
Isn’t she horrible? Ugh! She’s not quite as bad as the wooden blonde chick that used to be on the original L&O, but she’s cutting it close.
Nitro, thanks!
I’m surprised that Buster really thinks the Angels are going to put the full court press on CC – I just hope that if the Yanks make a good offer and he turns them down, that fans won’t savage Cashman. There is nothing he can do if CC just does not want to play in NY.
Not sure how I feel about Derek Lowe – can he hack it again in the AL East? I guess if they get Burnett (but he may re-sign with the Jays), Lowe might be a nice fit. However, why would he want to leave such a good situation in LA?
“Manny didnt do that all last year, he started doing it this year because he was unhappy about his contract when he gets his contract he will not complain.”
Manny said Boston was not for him the first time he set foot in there. He was on again off again with wanting to be traded from Boston. What makes you think he wouldn’t be the same with any other team he signs with?
He is complaining about having a $20 million a year option. What guarantee is there that he doesn’t do the same thing after the new contract is a few months old? None. Its Manny being Manny.
Great bat, but not a head case that Girardi would work well with.
mel: Some advice, eat your dinner now.
Damon-Jeter-Manny-Arod-Teixeria-Posada-Matsui-Nady-Cano
CC-Wang-Joba-Pettitte-Hughes
Rivera-Melancon-Bruney-Sanchez-Coke-Marte-Aceves
Go for it all!
“Burnett wants to play for the Yankees.”
Of course Burnett is saying he wants to play for the Yankees, nobody else is stupid enough to sign him.
Laura: I miss Alex Cabot!
“how’d you like to be a pitcher and see jeter on first and arod and manny coming up.
i’d do it.
people might think manny would set a bad example for players like cano, but actually he’s an incredibly hard worker hitting wise. he’s really a student of hitting.
and he seems to always be in the playoffs one way or another.
he’s always been on winning teams.”
Randy,
I totally agree with you.
Have you seen Manny’s hair lately? He trimmed a lot more than an inch this time.
So Torre took his rules? Only neatly trimmed mustaches? Do they all look clean cut like the Yankees?
Have you guys seen poor Scotty Proctor’s stats? He’s sporting an 6+ ERA in the NL.
Brandon, weren’t you lamenting that Betemit trade? You were talking about Proctor like he was Doc Halladay. I forgot to rag you about that one.
OK-Good to see I’m not the only one not feeling the ADA. lol
She’s so…bad.
Manny is the best hitter in baseball short of Pujols/A-Rod so since we can’t have Pujols why not get Manny to back up A-Rod in the line-up.
If it takes a blank check to get CC, forget him.
Why would you want someone here who doesn’t want to be here but only comes here because he gets $50 million more than another team? I have no problem being the highest bidder but to severely overpay and blow the market way out of proportion unnecessarily for a guy who doesn’t want to be here is ludicrous.
Loved Alex! Didn’t care for the blonde chick with the plastic face. The one where she asked if she was getting fired for being gay? They just threw that tidbit in there at the end. Because as far as I know it never came up.
“Brandon, weren’t you lamenting that Betemit trade? You were talking about Proctor like he was Doc Halladay. I forgot to rag you about that one.”
lol. Proctor is pretty bad but Betemit hasn’t done much either so I’d call that trade even.
I’m betting Manny will be a Marlin or Philly. Quote me.
mel: You mean Serena? Yeah, she wasn’t my favorite.
I love Alex and on the original I like Borgia just because her name was Borgia and it made me think of all sorts of very interesting 15th century Italians.
Pete Abe: “Just spoke to Joe Girardi, who was nice enough to return a call a few hours after he arrived home in Florida.”
Which answers the question: does Girardi read the LoHud Yankee blog?
I was watching BT a few minutes ago and Joe Mauer said the magic words: “tip my cap.” Thanks, Joe!
I hope randy l. is doing ok with the Cashman news. randy, if you’re out there, you were 100% right about Livan: the Twins just announced that they’re voting him a full non-playoff share.
Brandon: You called the Manny trade, so I’ll be sure to quote you on that.
Brandon, weren’t you lamenting that Betemit trade? You were talking about Proctor like he was Doc Halladay. I forgot to rag you about that one.
Who would you want Bet or Proctor ? And it doesn’t mean that we can’t deal Bet after he picks up his stock.
“Damon-Jeter-Manny-Arod-Teixeria-Posada-Matsui-Nady-Cano
CC-Wang-Joba-Pettitte-Hughes
Rivera-Melancon-Bruney-Sanchez-Coke-Marte-Aceves
Go for it all!”
That’d be an offseason to remember
That lineup is devastating.
Al,
You know, I must have the biggest heart in the world. I love all my Yankees.
Better-Meat got his eyes fixed and was playing better in his ROLE. Of course he got exposed when he was pushed into full-time duty.
I like Ransom though. Miguel Cairo with a bat. Whee!
Didn’t care for the blonde chick with the plastic face. The one where she asked if she was getting fired for being gay? They just threw that tidbit in there at the end. Because as far as I know it never came up.
Serena Southerlyn. Oh she was horrible also! So wooden.
Loved Alex also. Wished she would come back.
We need a star behind A-Rod.
All we have behind him now is washed up role players like Posada, Matsui, Giambi etc.
Put a star behind A-Rod for once, he deserves it.
Brandon,
Well, I kind of like Betemit. And Proctor’s toast. And we don’t need to ask out loud why he’s toast.
Manny Ramirez as a Yankee – the thought is sickening.
if i’m spending that kind of money get the Yanks a hitter who will be late 30s at the end of his contract, Teixeira seems a better choice, because he also brings a glove. and on the Angels he seems to have adapted to hit-running, etc. all Manny brings in addition to hitting is truly offensive behavior.
POLL right now!:
Who will be the Yankees big offensive acquisition this offseason?
Who will be the Yankees big pitching acquisition this offseason?
Al: offense-Tex
pitching-AJ
Al: same answer for both questions: CC!
“Al,
You know, I must have the biggest heart in the world. I love all my Yankees.
Better-Meat got his eyes fixed and was playing better in his ROLE. Of course he got exposed when he was pushed into full-time duty.
I like Ransom though. Miguel Cairo with a bat. Whee!”
I lol’d at that last part.
Nick,
Is Cal a good school? Daughter got something in the mail from their athletic department. Wondering if I should fish it out of the rubbish and give it to her.
To answer my own poll:
Offense: Kotchman
Pitching: CC
Offense: Teixeira
Pitching: Sabathia
Pitching – Oliver Perez
Hitting – Delgado
Is Cal a good school? Is the Pope Catholic? Is Livan hungry? Is Hal Holbrook a cherished national institution?
Yes, yes, yes, and yes.
Ramon- when did the Yankees become the destination for Mets cast-offs?
Pitching – Manny
Hitting – CC
“Is Cal a good school? Is the Pope Catholic? Is Livan hungry? Is Hal Holbrook a cherished national institution?
Yes, yes, yes, and yes.”
LMAO.
I still think Kennedy could be a star if he gets the chance.
Um. K. Thanks. Maybe I should ask someone impartial.
Tank: LMAO
Pitching: CC
Hitting: Someone we’re not expecting.
Offense – Adrian Gonzalez
Pitching – CC
3rd Base Coach – anybody but Meacham
mel, was it a serious question? Cal is the top-ranked public university in the country.
mel-
Berkeley is an incredible school, just watch out for the tree huggers.
When can teams start talking to free agents?
Oct. 1, 2008
Division Series play begins
Oct. 9, 2008
Championship Series play begins
Oct. 22, 2008
World Series begins
Nov. 3-6, 2008
General Managers Meetings, Dana Point, Calif.
Nov. 20, 2008
Day to file reserve lists for all Minor League levels and Major Leagues
Dec. 1, 2008
Last date for former club to offer salary arbitration to ranked free agents in order to be eligible for compensation.
Dec. 7, 2008
Last date for player who declared free agency to accept an arbitration offer from former club.
Dec. 8-11, 2008
Winter Meetings hosted by Jason Giambi, Las Vegas
Dec. 11, 2008
Rule 5 Draft
Dec. 12, 2008
Last date to tender contracts for 2009
Nick,
Thanks. Yes, serious. Just don’t know if she’ll feel comfortable wearing hemp and Birkenstocks.
Buddy,
As long as they’re hugging trees and not my daughter, that’s just fine.
see what you started, al?
Buddy: true, but each incoming freshman class member was issued his or her own chainsaw this semester.
If we sign Manny, chances are the Dodgers would then go for CC. Though I still think the Tex/AJ combo is the better ticket.
Offense – Adrian Gonzalez
Pitching – CC
And what may I ask would we deal for Gonzo ?
you still lost to Maryland.
mel: Berkeley does have that crunchy granola reputation, but there is also a large “normal” counter-culture and a large fraternity-sorority system. No joke, it’s a great school.
Kennedy, Coke, and Miranda for Gonzalez
Brandon-
Igawa & $50 Million for Gonzo
Rebecca: she asked if it was a good school, not a good football team!
Sigh.
Oh yeah, we’re still 3-1! I think Michigan St. was a good win. Maryland is ranked now! We beat Colorada St. 42-7!
The season isn’t over yet.
Mel: I think most contracts are up 31 October.
Marbury will thrive in D’antoni’s system. We need to hang onto him.
Nick: Yeah, but you’re asking on a sports blog!
Of course, if we’re going by football teams, than Syracuse is bottom of the barrel, so maybe I should shut up
anyone remember Bobcat, and all his ‘insider’ knowledge about how we were going to land Santana?
What happened to that guy?
“And what may I ask would we deal for Gonzo ?”
I can dream, can’t I? The Pads would never move him – he’s from the area, signed an extension (I believe), loves it there (for what that’s worth).
But… I’d start with Cano and Kennedy and see where it goes.
jonnycat: I think he was just playing us
Pete asked him for his credentials and he bailed.
jonnycat: you read what I want you to read. Everything I say, I say for a reason. It’s all calculated. You have no idea what’s really going on.
“jonnycat: I think he was just playing us
Pete asked him for his credentials and he bailed.”
Yeah, but it was really exciting theater for awhile there. I’ll never forget “You hear what they want you to hear.” It was probably some 13 year old who gets a kick out of having thousands of people waiting on every word he types.
Rebecca: I sorta remember that he provided pete with some credentials back channel, and pete allowed him to stay? He seemed to be so on the money until the last second….
btw, good luck with school this semester. I applied for a job there last year and ultimately signed on somewhere else.
Cal-Berkley is not a good school, rather it’s one of the Nation’s best…..Always been a great place ….Go Bears…
“Kennedy, Coke, and Miranda for Gonzalez”
yes, and while we are at it… Lets trade Hughes for Peavy, straight up.
Nick- VERY funny. It’s coming back to me now, lol
I actually missed most of the Bobcat phenomenon. I think it started while I was out of the country during the Yanks/Cleveland series and by the time I came back he was on the way to becoming a running joke. But I did get to see a few of his posts. If he was just a pure BS’er, he was a good one.
jonnycat: Thank you!
Nick: OMG. That was spot on!
I remember Bobcat, but I forget who it was that commented on ARod returning days before it was public. Anyone remember who that was?
Bobcat must have has some insider knowledge, I think he may have been jeopardizing his job, which is why he may may hit the high road,
Nick: It was during the Winter Meetings, when everyone was hanging on every minute waiting for Santana trade to brea.
The funny thing is nothing happened until the middle of January!
Clare – I believe that was Brandon who reported that one – if memory serves.
The ARod source was named Miller or something like that as i recall
I think the A-Rod source was Miller.
Brandon was the Manny source.
It was Miller
I was the source that reported that Arod was going to opt out of his Scores contract.
Miller… that’s right.
If we tried hard enough we could look up the thread in the archive but it’s late and I’m lazy.
Hughes = Big game pitcher
I am the source for the CC talks come the offseason everybody refer to me for all things CC. For other inside info read SJ’s post.
It was Miller with the A-Rod scoop last year. He had a friend who worked in an agents office.
Either Miller or Bobcat also had some sort of a connection to people at Goldman Sachs. I think that was Bobcat but don’t remember for sure anymore.
I am going to Vallejo tomorrow. I will keep my eyes and ears open for all CC-related info. If there’s a local skinny to be found on CC, I will find it.
I do remember one line that Bobcat stays that still sticks with me when I read the anonymous quotes about Sabathia
“Remember, you read what you are supposed to read. these things are leaked purposefully.”
Miller – right, thanks.
Maybe Bobcat was Warren Buffet.
How funny would that be?
BTW, I’m an inside source for…umm…uhh…
I’ll get back to you on that.
Point for each time you use “skinny” and CC in a sentence.
Score:
Nick (1)
Nick: You know we’ll hold you to it. I’m still waiting for my pops
Rebecca, it would be to my eternal dishonor to welsh on our bet, even though the terms for your side of the bet were never spelled out, and even though I don’t want to offend any Welshmen who might be checking in with the blog.
Also, CC will look good in pinstripes; vertical stripes are slimming, so they’ll make him look skinny.
Nick: Dude.
from my trip to Wales
If Girardi doesn’t work out, why doesn’t Hank name himself manager?
Monet meets Japan, nice. That reminds me of a snowy day I spent in Glasgow once. Wales is the only UK nation I haven’t visited, so I have no further comment.
Who’s the most famous woman and man from Wales?
Nick: You’ve got to go. I am in love with the UK…all of Europe, but the UK especially Wales and Scotland.
mel: Woman I don’t know, but man is probably Dylan Thomas.
Rebecca,
I’m thinking Sir Anthony Hopkins and Catherine Zeta Jones. I may be wrong, though.
I love the UK too, even Northern Ireland. Or maybe especially Northern Ireland. Hey, is Rosh Hoshanna over or does it go until sundown tomorrow night? I was supposed to call my grandma but I forgot.
Nick: Tomorrow till Sundown.
Don’t worry, I didn’t call either of my parents or speak to any of my brothers today.
When does Joe Torre come back to “manage” the Yanks??
Thanks, I’ll call tomorrow, and if my step-mom chews me out, I’ll tell her that Rebecca from the LoHud blog didn’t call anyone on the first day either!
mel from Taco Bell
September 30th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Nick,
Thanks. Yes, serious. Just don’t know if she’ll feel comfortable wearing hemp and Birkenstocks.
Buddy,
As long as they’re hugging trees and not my daughter, that’s just fine.
___________________________________________________
It’s better to wear the hemp than smoke it, Mel.
Mel, T.E. Lawrence, Charlotte Church, Henry V are from Wales.
Add Richard Burton to your list
absolutely horrible move by the yanks.
under this supposed “free thinker,” the team has returned to its spend money like a drunken sailor ways.
as has been pointed out previously, if you look at basically all our free agent signings, they’re borderline retarded.
name one player cash has brought in that lived up to – or exceeded expectations? afraud? giambi? damon? anyone? i don’t think so.
and when we had a chance to acquire a frontline starter this year – johan santana – for nothing more than a broken down picther in his early 20s and a fifth outfielder, he’s afraid to pull the trigger because of obvious past mistakes.
hate to say it, but the yanks ain’t making the playoffs next year either, no matter who they bring in and how much money they spend.
let’s see the yanks get back to the model that made them successful in the past and grow talent from within the organization and then supplement that with role players from outside, not aging, could care less all stars at every position like bobby “i’m afraid of the fence” abreu and ivan fraudriguez.
but instead, cash will spend more money, bring in some lame centerfielder instead of giving a sparkplug leadoff man like gardner a shot and sign phonies like sheets and burnett to big money contracts, repeating the sins of the past.
way to doom the franchise.
Knucklehead sounds exactly like one. Cash has done everything the Steinbrenners wanted him too. How can you argue Bobby Abreu was a bad trade? We needed a catcher so we got Pudge. Also remember he brought us some of the players on the winning teams. Sorry we just can’t win every year. He couldnt know the guys he picked up would not hit well with RISP. FYI, he didnt want to resign A-Rod. He does when he is told we need and it wont always work out, but find me someone better. Do NOT say Epstein. He is not better.
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