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C-Money comes out swinging

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Oct 01, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

capt149db5f66752432f8e25ed6322dfa351yankees_cashman__baseball_nyy101.jpgA few things that came out of the Cashman press conference today:

* The team has changed how it scouts players in Japan, particularly pitchers. Scouts have been changed and more “sets of eyes” have been added to the process.

* Cashman said he believes Mike Mussina is leaning toward retirement.

* Cashman wants more players to take the attitude of Mussina, Brian Bruney and Johnny Damon, who turned sub-par 2007 seasons into good 2008 seasons. “We need more of that,” he said.

* There will be meetings with the pro scouts in the Bronx later this month then full organizational meetings in Tampa around Oct. 15. That’s when they’ll decide what players will be pursued. But obviously the market will be fluid.

* There is no new “board of advisors.” Nice try, Hank.

* Cashman said there were “growing pains” in his relationship with the Steinbrenner brothers. He didn’t go into details, but obviously he means Hank talking so much and undermining his authority regarding baseball matters. Hal Steinbrenner appears to have been able to get his brother under control to some degree.

The new sheriff in town is clearly Hal.

* The biggest thing that came out of it, I thought, was how combative Cashman was.

“For a long time, we’ve been old and everybody knows it, right?” Cashman said. “For a long time people have pointed it out. So now when you start to fix it, people are ‘Oh my God, you missed the playoffs.’ Off with his head, right? That’s fair, that’s fine, that’s part of this town. I accept it. I’m not running from it.

“I care about my name and I care about how I’m perceived and I care about this franchise. I need everybody that works for me who feels the same way to pull in the same direction. If I wanted something easy, I could do a hell of a lot of other things than run the Yankees.”

He’s right about that. I know some people disagree with me, but I think Cash is the right man for the job. When I covered college basketball, coaches used to say they wanted to build a program, not just one team. That’s what the Yankees need to do. They need think about being good for 10 years, not one.

Going 89-73 is no reason to panic.

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903 Responses to “C-Money comes out swinging”

  1. vinny-b (jerry manuel says "Brett Favre is gangsta!" October 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    cashman is the man.

  2. Psyluk October 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    It seems like Hal Steinbrenner is much more willing to stay out of Cashman’s way and let him exert his influence on the direction of the team. As long as he can keep Hank out of the way and most importantly, out of the newspapers, I think Cashman will have a much easier time of it. Hopefully Hal will maintain this attitude and be seen as the new face of ownership. The last thing we need is another reprisal of James Dolan.

  3. vinny-b (jerry manuel says "Brett Favre is gangsta!" October 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    remember when signs were imprinted on padded stadium walls, reading “no pepper”

    not able to see today’s players, playing pepper. Would interfere with their image.

  4. Tom October 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    This team needs a tune up, not a complete renovation.

  5. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    you show ‘em cash!

  6. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Cashman has been my guy forever. I am loyal, hardly fickle, and extremely appreciative.

    freedom from expectation is freedom from disappointment

  7. t-rock October 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Cashman sounded like he was going to make some interesting trades and stay away from the FA market.

  8. jennifer October 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Cash was very combative in his press conference. He seemed very upset about how he is perceived in the media.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....eged_.html

    Nice guy!

  9. ÆŽR (The Final Season) October 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Pete, please be fair to the man:

    Cashman is bird-like in that picture.

  10. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    cash feels like he has to prove himself this offseason , fix his “mistakes”

    i dont know about you guys but i cant for this october to end so the real fun starts :)

  11. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    from what I read so far, there are 2 GMs had regretted trading their your pitchers:

    Tom Hick, Rangers GM regretted trading John Danks for Brandon McCarthy (been injuried for most of this and last season).

    Dave Dombrowski, Tigers GM regretted trading Jair Jurrjens for Edgar Renteria.

  12. jennifer October 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    They are already taking apart Shea!

    http://multimedia.nydailynews......tlingshea/

  13. vtred October 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    He had growing praise of Coke and Joba. Also was confident in Damon’s ability to play CF or LF.

    Most importantly, he guaranteed Joba a spot in the rotation alongside Wang next year. I suspect that means all year.

  14. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Lowe is so gross. The Cubs should be able to get to him. I remember watching him blowe so many games when he was with the Sux. But then I have to remember – this is the NL.

  15. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    young*

  16. mark007 October 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    cashman did say he had to fix the mistakes this offseason

    didn’t hank say the same thing? except hank said the mistakes of the last 5-6 years, cashman said the mistakes of last winter, obviously pertaining to the kids.

  17. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    i dont know about you guys but i cant for this october to end so the real fun starts

    you are not the only one.

  18. X-Mann October 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    One more inning from Lowe, then Kuo for the 7th, Broxton for the 8th, Saito for the 9th good night.

    And if Lowe gets into trouble this inning, Biemel will be in to get the lefty.

    Torre has this game in the bag

  19. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    sorry, wrong thread. We were having a good time discussing the Cubs game before we were so rudely interrupted!

    ;)

  20. steve October 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    same here, i want these playoffs to end. and as long as the red sox or dodgers are not the champions, i dont care.

  21. jennifer October 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    I don’t get why people are so high on Derek Lowe. People forget how horrible he was in his last year for the soxs. How the fans nicknamed him Derek Blow. Lets not forget he is in an awful NL West and in a pitchers park. He’d probably get killed in the Al East. Also another reason he was let go by the soxs was his partying ways. What kinds of problems do you think he’d have in NY where there is a club or bar on every corner?

  22. Sea Net October 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Lowe is looking very good tonight, continuing his big game winning. I’d love to have him next year.

  23. Jose October 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    ER – predictions for the Sox-Angels series?

  24. Anthony Murillo October 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    I want to win NOW. Not five years from now.

  25. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    “They need to think about being good for 10 years, not one.”

    Thx, Pete, that’s the perfect sentiment.

  26. Meaningless Stats October 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Anthony don’t worry, Cashman sounded like he will attack this off-season aggressively and play for this year and to win. He’ll still keep the jewels like Joba and Cano but will shop other guys and not be as protective.

  27. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Go get em CashMoneyMan

  28. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    How many years has Manny been on the Dodgers? That helmet is older than him.

  29. Clint October 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Cubs look like the same old Cubs.

    If they can’t win this year, when will they win?

    Torre is outmanaging Pinella.

  30. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    The win NOW mentality is how the Yanks got into their current predicament to begin with.

  31. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Anthony; I will sacrifice one year for ten winning years, if it comes down to that.

    I like Feisty Cashman.

  32. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    HR Manny

  33. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Manny HR, of course.

  34. RalphieD October 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    how did manny hit that?

  35. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Ok lets get Manny.

  36. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    I love feisty Cash. The sportswriters in this town are shills for Minaya…..but for Cash, no love .

    He’s 100% spot on with his quote about how the media knocks the Yankees because they’re old and then knocks them again when they try to go with youth. Basically, these mediots are a bunch of no-nothing, reactionary tabloid losers on a par with the worst of the National Enquirer “reporters”

  37. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    how in the living heck did manny hit that ball out of the park?

    it was practically in the dirt!! he golfed it out there lol

    unbelievable

  38. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    “how did manny hit that?”

    NL pitching. You know how that goes.

  39. PBL October 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Yeah, I’d rather win now, but I don’t want to win now if it means sucking for 10 years afterwards, instead of having a tough season or two and then being good for a long long time

  40. PUDGE TRADE ENDED OUR SEASON October 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    3 more years of cashman = 3 more years of bad decisions

  41. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    I posted this in the previous thread (re: Peavy rumors):

    That’s just Buster’s opinion – he knows as much about the situation as we do, meaning nothing. He has no clue as to what the Yankees would offer for Peavy (Phil’s name comes up all the time by sportswriters and frankly, they are just pulling names out of hat).

    Also, the Yankees never offered Hughes and Kennedy, plus Melky, for Santana., Buster is an idiot – he should do his homework. Cash did not want to include Hughes in the Santana deal, he only did it very reluctantly. The deal was off the table in a few days once the Twins didn’t bite – they asked for Phil, got him, then demanded more from the Yankees. Additionally, the Yankees asked the Twins what the Twins were looking for in a Santana deal – the Yankees never offered up specific players.

  42. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    It did look like a golf swing.

  43. Kill-Schill(ing) October 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    One way Cashman could improve how he’s covered and perceived is to begin taking lessons from Theo on concision, economy, and cogency in his responses.

    I listen to Theo and I think I’m listening to a polished, authoritative CEO or public intellectual.

    I listen to Cashman and I hear a tedious politician or pencil-pushing bureaucrat prone to circumlocution, stilted diction, and incessant repetition, reminiscent in many respects of Dubya.

    Verbal fluency doesn’t necessarily equate with executive wisdom or shrewdness but if Brian is so intent on persuading the media that he’s a baseball intellectual in the Theo’s vein, as Verducci wrote last winter, Cashman has a long way to go.

  44. ÆŽR (The Final Season) October 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    I already predicted Red S*x will very likely sweep pass the World Series.

    There’s a slim chance that Angels would take one game.

    Jason Bay MVP in all 3 series. Mark Kotsay will have a couple of game winning hits. Pimplebutt giving up 1 hit in 16 total innings. And Jon Jester may throw in a perfect game (or two).

    Please don’t make me repeat myself. :lol:

  45. Mike R October 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Manny is unaware that “pressure” is a word in the English language.

  46. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    “PUDGE TRADE ENDED OUR SEASON ”

    This is a joke right?

  47. no.27 October 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    I agree about Lowe. Pitching in the NL West is like pitching in AAA. There’s like 2 scary hitters in that division. I’d much rather have Pettitte and obviously Moose.

    Although it seems like everyone thinks Moose wants to retire, I think Cash could convince him to come back if we don’t get Sabathia. A chance at a World Series ring, 300 wins, new stadium, lots of cash, and really letting him know how much he is needed would be hard to turn down.

  48. Kill-Schill(ing) October 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    The Twins countered with Hughes, Melky, Marquez, and Mitch Hilligoss and the Yankees rebuffed them.

    Look it up. Bill Madden wrote about it in the Sunday Daily News in January.

  49. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Man. The Cubs have some work to do.

  50. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    ““For a long time, we’ve been old and everybody knows it, right?” Cashman said. “For a long time people have pointed it out. So now when you start to fix it, people are ‘Oh my God, you missed the playoffs.’ Off with his head, right? That’s fair, that’s fine, that’s part of this town. I accept it. I’m not running from it.”

    Cash fails to remember that he hasn’t “started to fix” anything. He held onto 3 players Hughes, Melky and IPK. 2 of the 3 are total busts and the 3rd is a disappointment. Cash can rest on his laurels all he’d like you haven’t fixed anything Cash you’ve only assisted an 89 win team in missing the playoffs and you are apparently working towards a 9th consecutive season without a ring. Putting a muzzle on Hank only helps you temporarily if we are forced to sit through another 40+ starts from the likes of Rasner and Ponson next season a lot less of us fans will be in your corner.

  51. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    ER, no offense but since you’ve been wrong more than you’ve been right I will assume that the Angels are going to take it all!

  52. Celerino Sanchez October 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    No matter how many home runs Manny hits in the playoffs, I will never get the image out of my head of him standing in against Mariano with the bat on his hsoulder. Manny is pathetic.

  53. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    If Moose wants to retire, why didn’t he just say so? What’s the point of waiting out a week or two? Moose has already said the Yanks are his first choice so it can’t be a money thing.

  54. Clint October 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    So then you admit the Santana trade was nixed due to the 3rd player in the deal rather than not giving up Hughes.

    Which shows Hughes was on the table for Santana and will be on the table for other elite players.

    Hal referenced money when talking about the Santana trade. Cashman did again today. In Kepner’s article Cashman also said he didn’t want to trade for CC because he didn’t think he would sign with an East Coast team long term.

    All those things show that if the right deal came along, Hughes would be traded.

  55. Laura - Okay, Cash - get to work!! October 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    ““PUDGE TRADE ENDED OUR SEASON ”

    No, an anemic offense, shotty defense and crappy pitching ended our season. Let’s get the facts straight, people.

  56. PUDGE TRADE ENDED OUR SEASON October 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    well not really

    if you look at our pitching staff the second he became the #1 catcher, we lost it and fell out of it

    sounds odd but its reality

  57. Celerino Sanchez October 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    Moose is waiting to see how much the Yanks offer.

  58. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    scorpio

    he didnt say he wants to retire, he said hes LEANING towards retirement, theres a difference, something can still change is mind, i personally want him to think long and hard about it, if he thinks he wont come back healthy or hes to tired then he should go ahead and retire while hes on top

  59. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Yeah I’m not believing Moose is ready to hang up the cleats either.

  60. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    I love Cash, but really – he has to take responsibility for how some of the kids turned out this year. It’s his fault for rushing Phil in 2007 – though in his case, I think he definitely deserved a spot in the rotation for this year. Ian? Not so much – in fact, not at all. Leaving Ian out of this (because he does seem to have dropped off the face of the earth), Phil had about 5 starts this year – 1 good, and the others dreadful (for whatever reason). Really, what is the big deal? Did Cashman not expect growing pains? Has he come to the conclusion that it wasn’t his mistake in trusting the kids, but rather their lack of talent? This is the most disappointing part off the situation for me.

    Keep in mind that I love Cash and I’m thrilled he’s back.

  61. Chris498 October 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    I think this season will kick the Yankees, and their management, in the ass. They were getting real droopy, and I believe a season like this is a wake up call for them.

  62. Chris498 October 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    I think this season will kick the Yankees, and their management, in the ass. They were getting real droopy, and I believe a season like this is a wake up call for them.

  63. Russell NY October 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Manny is so unclutch. Always getting hits when they already have the lead. Weak tack on runs. Unclutch.

  64. AZ Four October 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Olney is one of the best journalists in the business. He has better Yankee sources than anyone.

    Heyman and Olney are the best in the business. Olney was a Yankee beat writer and still has good sources. Heyman has good relationships with the Yankee FO. I highly doubt Olney is ‘making anything up’. He referenced what he heard from rival execs about the Peavy thing. He wasn’t just speculating, he had concrete info.

  65. Jack Daniels October 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Which will turn out worse in 3 years?

    A. Firing Torre for Girardi
    B. Passing on Santana for Hughes and Kennedy

  66. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    No thank you, Kill – I wouldn’t trust Madden as far as I could throw him. Also, the Twins didn’t counter with anything – that would require that the Yankees first made an offer, which they didn’t.

  67. Laura - Okay, Cash - get to work!! October 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    My God, when is the day going to come when people will stop rehashing the whole Santana deal? I just don’t get it. It’s not like talking about it over and over and over again is going to change anything. The Mutts aren’t trading him to us. It’s over. Why do we have to beat ourselves to death over the details? It’s almost as if you think that if we keep talking about it, we can go back and change history. I wish life worked that way.

  68. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Scorpio: Because Moose is still too near to the season.

    You don’t want to make a decision rashly, because you may end up regretting it later.

  69. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    LOL AL – Phil is already a disappointment at age 22? Wow oh wow – you guys have ridiculously sky high expectations. The kid has just turned 22 – he had a few bad starts this year, not 15.

  70. pauly October 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    “Kill-Schill(ing)
    October 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm
    One way Cashman could improve how he’s covered and perceived is to begin taking lessons from Theo on concision, economy, and cogency in his responses.
    I listen to Theo and I think I’m listening to a polished, authoritative CEO or public intellectual.
    I listen to Cashman and I hear a tedious politician or pencil-pushing bureaucrat prone to circumlocution, stilted diction, and incessant repetition, reminiscent in many respects of Dubya.
    Verbal fluency doesn’t necessarily equate with executive wisdom or shrewdness but if Brian is so intent on persuading the media that he’s a baseball intellectual in the Theo’s vein, as Verducci wrote last winter, Cashman has a long way to go.”

    whatever dude. Cash Money.

  71. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    “Heyman and Olney are the best in the business. Olney was a Yankee beat writer and still has good sources. Heyman has good relationships with the Yankee FO. I highly doubt Olney is ‘making anything up’. He referenced what he heard from rival execs about the Peavy thing. He wasn’t just speculating, he had concrete info.”

    AZ I missed it what exactly did Olney say about Peavy?

  72. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    now that we are out of it, and everything has settled down a bit, im actually happy we didnt make it to the playoffs

    making it to the playoffs and always losing in the first round should not qualify as making the playoffs ands thats been happeing for a while now

    this is a wake up call to the organization and i feel we are going to see the benefit of it come next spring training

    not only the organization but the players realize that there isnt always a open space for the yanks to just occupy and slip into the post season

  73. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Clint, sorry, that is fiction, not fact. I’m not going to do the research – it’s all there on the internet if you want to find it. The only people who think Hughes was in essence a deal-breaker are the people who have given up on him and find creative new ways to bash him day in and day out.

  74. vtred October 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Cashman did say that only Wang and Joba were locks for the rotation in 09 and he needs to work to fill the other 3 slots.

    He sounds like he is going the trade route and will stay away from CC. He also didn’t sound that sure that Mussina was returning.

  75. PJH October 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    The Manny homerun was insane. Looked like Vlad, but better.

  76. Russell NY October 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    “Which will turn out worse in 3 years?

    A. Firing Torre for Girardi
    B. Passing on Santana for Hughes and Kennedy”

    Torre… Santana already experiencing injuries.

  77. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Celerino I agree about Manny. The guy doesn’t have an operating brain cell. I think Boras put a chip in there and has him programmed. Boras told Manny he would be happier with another team since Boras wasn’t going to get any benefit$$$ if Manny stayed with the Sux. So Manny punched his way out of town.

    He’s got talent and will produce as long as he gets his way. That’s not quite the Yankee way. Want to see a cancer in the clubhouse? Do some research on how many players wanted Manny to stay in Boston when they took their little clubhouse vote.

    And oh yeah, Curt the mouth also told WEEI about how he and many got into a fist fight and had to be separated during spring training.

    You want a nutcake who will turn on you on a dime when things aren’t his way? Pray you get Manny.

  78. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    This game is not looking good for the cubbies

  79. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    “LOL AL – Phil is already a disappointment at age 22? Wow oh wow – you guys have ridiculously sky high expectations. The kid has just turned 22 – he had a few bad starts this year, not 15.”

    I obviously meant “disappointment” in terms of this year not his entire career. Say what you may but the Yankees were expecting a lot more from Hughes than a handful of terrible starts followed by a 4 month DL stint.

  80. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Sorry, AZ – it’s more speculating from Olney. What sources? He has no clue as to what the Yankees would offer and we haven’t heard one drop from the Yankees. Phil is the name-du-jour to throw out in all trades. No thanks – I’m not biting on this one.

  81. Y26 October 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    It is a fact that the Santana deal was nixed because of the 3rd player in the deal. We didn’t want to give up Horne, Tabata, or Jackson. Hughes was already on the table so was Melky. Minnesota was greedy and wanted a premium prospect as the 3rd guy. We didn’t bite, Hank went on his “teams demand more from us than other teams” rant, and the thing fell apart. Hughes was already on the table. If Smith had accepted him when he was there and not gotten greedy, Hughes would be in Minnesota now and we’d have Santana.

  82. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    “I think this season will kick the Yankees, and their management, in the ass. They were getting real droopy, and I believe a season like this is a wake up call for them.”

    Yep.

  83. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    “He sounds like he is going the trade route and will stay away from CC.”

    staying away from CC can turn out to be the bst decision hes ever made or another bad one.

    if he stays away and CC shows up to his next spring training with his falling off, then its the best decision ever, if it goes the other way around then cash is going to be fried once again

  84. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Please, Trisha…let’s back off the Manny bashing for a night can we? We know. You hate his guts. He’s not Yankee material.

    We are commenting on Manny’s hits tonight not whether or not he deserves to go to heaven.

  85. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    “this is a wake up call to the organization and i feel we are going to see the benefit of it come next spring training”

    This is what this year is. Not this:

    “Going 89-73 is no reason to panic.”

  86. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    his arm falling off*

  87. Mark (Brett is back) October 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    I love the Cubs fans, just always expecting the worst. They just looked like oh not again on that grandslam.

  88. COL 88 October 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    I don’t think Cashman will pass on CC, he will try and get him and not break the bank for a guy who doesn’t want to be here. He’ll try his best to get him though.

    His next option will be Peavy and explore the trade market. From what he said, it almost sounds a given this is where he will go.

  89. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Scorpio – skip my posts. I’m commenting on his hits too. He hits when he wants to. When he’s unhappy he pouts.

    I don’t “hate his guts”. I know exactly who he is though. You’re right. He’s not Yankee material.

  90. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Laura, I’m not going to let fiction stand for facts. I would love to stop rehashing the Santana thing, but there are people who will not let it go, for various reasons. I have no clue as to why they didn’t read the many articles from that time where the Yankees stated they knew this non-move would hurt them in 2008 – actually, I do have a clue. They have very little patience (if any)for young players – really, saying Phil is a bum and at best a #3, when we saw what he could do last October, and when he’s barely turned 22, says it all for me. It’s pathetic that the Santana horse is being beaten to death again.

  91. Redding October 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Hughes was a HUGE disappointment this year.

    Cashman didn’t even mention him as part of the 09 plans with Mike today. Not even in a competition. He did mention Coke and Joba though.

  92. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    harwood:

    exactly, we dont need to panic, but this should not be taken lightly either

    if you are 89-73 and all the other al east teams are below you, then good for the team they did their job

    when other teams step up, you should be able to step up also

  93. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Gotta do better than that Jim Edmonds

  94. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    “Which will turn out worse in 3 years?”

    Russell, I believe both will turn out to be very good moves for the Yankees.

  95. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    you can hear the crickets at wrigley field lol its hysterical

  96. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Unless Cash plans on trading for a Peavy or Greinke its a bad move to stay away from CC.

  97. Quilvio Imposter October 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Now people are discrediting Buster Olney?

    LOL

    Delusional, all the way around.

  98. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Al, of course that’s true – and so did I. However, no one can predict injuries. As to the few starts he did make this year, he pitched very well against the Jays. The others ? If he was healthy, then all I can say is that this kind of stuff happens all the time to young pitchers. Either his mechanics got out of whack or he just lost himself for awhile; he’s obviously very talented and he has a good head on his shoulders. For this kind off prospect, you remain patient.

  99. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Laura, on top of it, Cashman said he would do the same thing over again with respect to Santana. So it definitely should be considered a moot point at this point. The real GM always trumps the armchair GMs.

    :)

  100. E-Man October 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    “He’s right about that. I know some people disagree with me, but I think Cash is the right man for the job. When I covered college basketball, coaches used to say they wanted to build a program, not just one team. That’s what the Yankees need to do. They need think about being good for 10 years, not one.”

    Pete, I don’t know what you’re talking about. The Yankees have been a good team for nearly 15 years now. They have the money to approach it one year at a time. Programs are for teams with no money like the Rays, Twins and A’s.

  101. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    It’s like a funeral is going on at Wrigley.

  102. pauly October 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    if Girardi were in LA, the division would’ve been wrapped up by Sept 1st.

  103. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Betsy, Hughes also looked real good in the last two games he pitched for the Yanks. It’s obvious he’s got a lot of talent.

  104. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Al from BK:

    its 50/50 for cash
    either CC comes to spring training with an overused arm
    or CC comes completely healthy

    we need pitching badly so i say we should take the chance and sign him if we can and hopefully we benefit

  105. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Y26, Hughes was on the table practically at Hank’s insistence. The Twins DID get greedy – no question (and this is why I feel the Yankees had no chance to get Johan. The Twinkies were not interested in negotiating; they were interested in extortioin). However, it became too much when they also demanded Kennedy…..and then the Yankees said “forget it – we just barely decided to put Phil on the table and now we’d just rather keep him”.

  106. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    “if Girardi were in LA, the division would’ve been wrapped up by Sept 1st.”

    Yep.

  107. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Guys. They voted on the bailout bill:

    Passed 74-25

    Both Obama and McCain voted ‘aye’.

  108. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    AL –

    I think I would stay away from Grienke. He gives up way too many home runs. he would definitely get killed in the AL east.

  109. chicken stanlie October 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    I hope Cashman is not trying to say that he “went young” this year and thats why they didnt make the playoffs. If he needs to blame someone he should look in the mirror. He passed on some great FA`s last winter, over rated his own guys, and did nothing last winter to improve the team.
    Brought Petittite back and as much as we love Andy he was poor this season. He went into the season with from his own qoute an untouchable CF that they eventually busted to the minors.
    I hope he is watching Cubs-Dodgers and forgets about the right handed version of Andy Petitte -Derek Lowe– and he realizes he needs to stay away from him.

  110. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Rebecca, but now it has to go to the House. Unless it’s a different enough version from the first bill, I don’t know that the Houses will pass it.

  111. Doreen October 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Rebecca -

    It still has to go to the House. :(

  112. PJH October 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Watching this baseball is making me sick. These teams are not good at all. The only team that we would not likely beat is Anaheim.

  113. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Dang. I had such hope…

  114. X-Mann October 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Cashman better go all out for CC.

    If he doesn’t, he isin’t the right man for the job.

    I would only trade Hughes for a pitcher if we couldn’t get CC or Burnett. But first we have to try hard at both. Why is Cashman having a defeatist attitude already? I thought he doesn’t even want to get rid of Hughes yet he already talks trade market and wants to stay away from CC?

  115. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Redding, Phil still needs some work to do – why is that a big deal to some fans when he’s only 22? He’ll be given a chance in ST and perhaps he will win a spot. If so, good for him. If the Yankees feel he’s not ready, then so be it. Why is it so hard to understand that developing young pitchers take time? We are talking about a kid who has made very few starts in the majors. I was devastated when Phil got hurt, so yes – that was incredibly disappointing to me. However, to say that he was a HUGE disappointment? I’m saving that for players like Melky and Cano, not for Phil who had 5 starts

    LOL I just can’t wait to see Coke struggle a bit – all of a sudden he’s the hottest thing since sliced bread. Great – he looks like he ‘s got a lot of ability. Just wait until he struggles; the question is: will this Phil be trashed as well? Somehow, I don’t think so.

  116. brillohead October 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    whatsfunny is people here wanted no part of Santana but taking CC is ok? Makes no sense. CC will cost more, and most certainly is not in shape, and a health hazaed with over use of his arm. Santana was better than CC was in the AL I dont understand how so many say yes to CC but said no to Santana.
    Me? I`ll would have taken them both.

  117. The Monarch October 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    As of 9:24 they haven’t voted on the bailout yet. They did on a series of amendments to the bill; the margin in favor of the amendments indicate that it should pass the Senate.

  118. R-Tek October 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Cash referenced he made mistakes last year and overestimated some things (aka the kids) and he plans to rectify it this year. That shows that he is still committing to rebuilding but only cornerstone guys like Joba and Cano. Other guys will be used as trade bait to fill the needs of the ML club.

    Cashman actually has a good trade history so its good to know he is going to dabble in that market. If he is willing to trade someone like Hughes, we could fetch a lot.

  119. ÆŽR (The Final Season) October 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Joba looking good. Mo warming up.

  120. Laura - Okay, Cash - get to work!! October 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    “It’s like a funeral is going on at Wrigley.”

    Cubs fans are the most pathetic fans on the planet. They are delusional, obnoxious and totally unbearable. I hope the Cubs get swept.

  121. Mike R October 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    They just showed a clip of Torre and Bowa on the Dodger bench talking about what a bum Cano is. ;)

  122. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    GMAB Quilvio – because Buster is some sort of Deep Throat who has insider information? I want you to tell me where he got this information that the Yankees will definitely offer Phil Hughes (plus others) for Jake Peavey? Where? What are his sources? Did Cashman tell him this? Did Stick Michael? Hal? Hank? The ballboy? No, it’s all speculation. Anyhow, that is not how Cashman works. He puts out feelers to teams who have players he covets and he tries to find out what they are looking for (if, indeed, they are interested in dealing that player). Cashman hardly ever makes an outright offer.

  123. hank hal October 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Santana wanted to come to NY. We were his first choice. He didn’t want to go West he wanted to come here or Boston.

    Sabathia on the otherhand seems to not want anything to do with the Yankees.

    Yet we passed on Santana and are going to throw a boatload at CC who doesn’t even want to be here? Hasn’t this franchise had enough mercenaries?

  124. The Monarch October 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    back to baseball,

    Idon’t see this referenced, but Cashman’s comments about more sets of eyes scouting in Japan is a clear admission as to why this organization gave an absurd amount of money to a mediocre pitcher like Kei Igawa.

    Did the organization just rely on numbers and stat analysis in signinging Igawa? Did they not have enough scouts who saw him pitch?

  125. JME October 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    not for nothing but, remember ian kennedy also did pretty well at the end of the 2007 season just like Aceves is now for the 2008 season. I’m just saying lets not get our hopes up. Ian is still a young guy. You never know he might surprise us.

    I wish Kennedy and Hughes the best of luck

  126. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Cubs can’t buy a break.

  127. Mike R October 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    “CC will cost more”

    ERRRRR! WRONG.

    Santana cost prospects and money, CC costs only money.

  128. Mark (Brett is back) October 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    SO close yet so far Jim haha woooo

  129. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    PJH

    the problem is we would have faced the angels first hence we wouldnt see the other teams anyway

  130. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    I cannot imagine the Yankees giving up on Hughes. With all of the money they have coming off the books they can afford to deal with cash and bit players.

    I could be wrong but I’m not seeing it happen.

  131. Matt from LI October 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    “whatsfunny is people here wanted no part of Santana but taking CC is ok? Makes no sense. CC will cost more, and most certainly is not in shape, and a health hazaed with over use of his arm. Santana was better than CC was in the AL I dont understand how so many say yes to CC but said no to Santana.
    Me? I`ll would have taken them both.”

    Plain and simple reason. CC is only costing us money. Santana would have costed prospects AND money. I’m sure if Santana was on the open market this winter, everybody would be clamoring over him too.

  132. arliss October 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    When it comes to japanese pitchers, having less eyes watching them is better than having more. Leave the market alone Brian, u and ur people have no clue what u are doing over there.

  133. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Cash is trying to run the Yankees like the Twins or A’s. This is the Yankees they have money to spend its not like Cash is going to have to take out a second mortgage to pay for CC. At least give it a shot if CC snubs us screw him but you have to try as a GM its your obligation.

  134. patrick max October 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Stick wanted the Santana trade. Daily News says Stick will be more active this off-season.

    One thing that’s important to keep in mind: Even with Brian Cashman coming back as Yankee GM, Gene Michael figures to have a bigger say this winter on player personnel decisions. And Michael, as we all know, loves those high on-base percentage guys. (For the record, Holliday had a .405 on-base percentage away from Coors Field in ’08.)

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....hip_o.html

  135. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    PJH

    You would think a lineup like the 08 Yanks can do some damage but remember they were beat by some of the worst teams this year and tipping their caps to 5+ ERA pitchers all year long.

  136. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Laura

    i would rather be locked ina room with a cub fan than a sux fan any day, but i see your point lol :)

  137. NITRO October 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Kennedy is done as a Yankee. Brian didn’t even mention him today. He didn’t mention Hughes either but atleast he has ability, Kennedy = righty Igawa.

    They didn’t even bring him up during the final week of the stadium as a reward.

  138. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Question from anyone who might know. For real – do the Cubs have decent relief pitching?

  139. Clint October 1st, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    I hate both of these teams.

    But man wouldn’t it be sweet to see the Cubs eliminated in round 1? Everyone picked them, they were the darlings of the baseball world.

  140. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Oh cubs.
    Wrigleyville will not be a happy place tonight

  141. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    If Cashman has jumnped bail on Phil because of a few starts, then I seriously question his qualifications to run this team. However, I do not for an instant think that’s the case.

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....ankees-do/

    I haven’t listened yet to the press conference, but I am sure that what Brian meant was that he overestimated how difficult it would be for the kids to make the transition to the big leagues. Of course in Phil’s case, he got hurt after only a few starts. He’s not a finished product, in great part because Brian rushed him in 2007. Instead of going out and finding a warm body to help the rotation, he takes a kid who he said he didn’t intend to call up until September and almost asked him to save the season (which he did, for one night at least, in October)

    Here’s a response from Mark Feinsand on a recent live chat he did:

    12:42 [Comment From jmc]
    What are the internal evaluations of Phil Hughes now? Do they still feel he can be a number 1 or 2 type starter long term?

    12:43 The Yankees still believe that Hughes can be a front-line starter. The biggest concern isn’t about his poor April performance, it’s about his ability to stay healthy. Hughes must show next year that he can stay on the field all year and pitch effectively while doing it. Remember, he’s still just 22 years old.

  142. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    “Idon’t see this referenced, but Cashman’s comments about more sets of eyes scouting in Japan is a clear admission as to why this organization gave an absurd amount of money to a mediocre pitcher like Kei Igawa.”

    Enough with this Japan scouting business I want Cash to scout tomorrows game 2 NLDS and watch the guy we should be going after. Cash failed miserably with Igawa and Boston got a tremendous pitcher. Stay away from Japan until Darvish is ready for posting.

  143. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    If the Cubs lose this game I’m really going to start believing they’re cursed.

  144. Matt from LI October 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Cubs have below average middle relief, above average late inning relief… Marmol and Wood are nasty, Shark has his moments… Everybody else is a ?

  145. Mike R October 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Al,

    Why not run the team like the A’s and Twins when it comes to developing, and then spend like the Yankees to pull the occasional free agent prize, or trade developed talent for a mid-season kick in the pants.

  146. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> Mets bullpen.

  147. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Poor pitching and no offense does not equal cursed. Just means you choked.

  148. Tseng October 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Good for Cash. I totally support the direction he’s taking this team in.

  149. Tank October 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    trisha -

    Four guys who throw 95+ (Wood, Marmol, Howery, Sadmarjizda) but who can lose their control at anytime and really can’t be trusted.

    Let me put it this way— they have 4 Brad Lidges or 4 Veras’. Rarely will they have clean innings, but they can lock you down. Other times they will lose it.

  150. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Enough with this Japan scouting business I want Cash to scout tomorrows game 2 NLDS and watch the guy we should be going after. Cash failed miserably with Igawa and Boston got a tremendous pitcher. Stay away from Japan until Darvish is ready for posting.

    AL –

    apparently Gene Micheals went to Japan to scout Darvish earlier this month if you didnt know.

  151. Matt from LI October 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Hah, I don’t know Rebecca. The Brewers and St. Louis pen can give the Mets’ pen a run for their money.

  152. PJH October 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Although highly unlikely, imagine if Torre and the Dodgers beat Boston in the World Series.

  153. PJH October 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Although highly unlikely, imagine if Torre and the Dodgers beat Boston in the World Series.

  154. DOC October 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Mike Mussina’s brother posted on his own blog that he thinks Moose was mentally prepared to retire but he thinks it will ultimately be too hard for Moose to walk away after such a good year and being so close to 300.

  155. Laura - Okay, Cash - get to work!! October 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    “i would rather be locked ina room with a cub fan than a sux fan any day, but i see your point lol ”

    Same here, only because if I were locked in a room with a Red Sox fan, I would beat the crap out of them and then have to go to jail. With a Cubs fan, I can just ignore them…like I do now.

  156. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Rebecca

    i used to use this qoute for the red sux

    “There is no such thing as a curse, its possible that you’ve just sucked for a really really long time.”

    lol so no curse, just suckiness haha

  157. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Maybe the cubs and their fans should do some sort of voodoo ritual tomorrow?
    I don’t think the priest and his blessing worked

  158. Tank October 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Betsy

    How is Fiensand’s opinion anymore valid than the guys who say Hughes is a #3? If you survey enough people, you can find anyone to give you the answer you are looking for. Scouting is totally subjective. Similarly, you think Olney is just giving an opinion, how do you know Fiensand isin’t either?

  159. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Scorpio: Yeah, but for 100 years?

    That’s more than just sucking.

  160. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    That message w/ the middle finger to people against REBUILDING is brought to you by Brian Cashman.

  161. RalphieD October 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm
  162. Laura - Okay, Cash - get to work!! October 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    “Anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> Mets bullpen.”

    I don’t know. MIL has Gagne. He blows big time. Can you believe that scrub has a WS ring? Unreal.

  163. Clint October 1st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    If Torre even wins a round, I suggest you stay away from all papers and sports media for a long time.

    Watch the election coverage or something nightly instead of baseball or Sporscenter. It will be painful.

    Just watch tomorrow the papers will have Torre’s face all over it. They love torturing us Yankee fans.

  164. DOC October 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Gagne is so the poster boy for steroids.

  165. X-Mann October 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    The Cubs bring in Jason Marquee to pitch in relief?

    Pinella lets Dempster stay in there after 3 straight walks?

    Pinella has lost it.

  166. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    “Al,

    Why not run the team like the A’s and Twins when it comes to developing, and then spend like the Yankees to pull the occasional free agent prize, or trade developed talent for a mid-season kick in the pants.”

    Thats how it SHOULD be done however Cash is taking the far development too seriously and forgetting about free agency completely.

    “AL -

    apparently Gene Micheals went to Japan to scout Darvish earlier this month if you didnt know.”

    Gene Michaels, you mean the guy who should be the GM of this team?

  167. Laura - Okay, Cash - get to work!! October 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    The worst thing about having the playoffs on TBS has got to be those awful Frank TV commercials. They are worse than those gazillion Jeter Edge commercials we have to sit through on YES.

  168. E-Man October 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    “Stick wanted the Santana trade. Daily News says Stick will be more active this off-season.

    One thing that’s important to keep in mind: Even with Brian Cashman coming back as Yankee GM, Gene Michael figures to have a bigger say this winter on player personnel decisions. And Michael, as we all know, loves those high on-base percentage guys. (For the record, Holliday had a .405 on-base percentage away from Coors Field in ‘08.)

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....hip_o.html

    I’d rather have Manny for 2 or 3 years. You can’t beat a .430 Obp. or .485 obp for the second half.

    This assuming we lose Abreu.

  169. Laura - Okay, Cash - get to work!! October 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    “Gagne is so the poster boy for steroids.”

    Along with poster boy Varitek and our very own Pudge Rodriquez. At least Giambi was able to still produce once he got off the juice. Those guys were just left for dead.

  170. OldYanksFan October 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    PUDGE TRADE ENDED OUR SEASON
    if you look at our pitching staff the second he became the #1 catcher, we lost it and fell out of it. sounds odd but its reality.
    =========================================================
    Dude…. did you graduate High School?

    Correlation does not imply causation is a phrase used in the sciences and statistics to emphasize that correlation between two variables does not imply that one causes the other. Its negation, correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship.

  171. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    LMAO laura i actually think those frank tv commercials are funny

    i change the channel when that jeter edge commercial comes on, i practically know the lines by heart, and that is very sad lol

  172. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Cubs catch a break.

  173. AJ YANKS October 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Cashman made it sound like he wants to go into the season with Joba as the #5 and 4 proven, reliable starters in front of him.

    I think that will be either Wang, FA, trade, Pettitte, Joba. or Wang, 2 FAs, Pettitte, Joba. Or Wang, Mussina, Pettitte, FA, Joba.

    Cashman mentioned nothing about a ST competition. It looks like he isin’t going down that road again and wants to ensure we have a dominant pitching staff.

  174. Laura - Okay, Cash - get to work!! October 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    For those of you in favor of bringing Manny here, can you explain something to me? This is a serious question; I’m not trying to be obnoxious. Why would you want a guy, who plays when he wants to play and sits when he wants to sit, on the Yankees? This is a guy who assaulted an old man when he didn’t get his way. This is a guy who quit on his team when he didn’t get what he wanted from management. How could someone like that possibly be a good thing for the Yankees? Why would you want to contaminate something you supposedly love with that vermin?

  175. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    The worst thing about having the playoffs on TBS has got to be those awful Frank TV commercials.

    Agreed. Those commercials drove me crazy last year and are doing the same thing already today.

  176. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Rebecca, I’m not saying the Cubs are not cursed but in reference to this game, they just sucked.

    Remember those t-shirts NYY fans used to wear about the Red Sox: “There was no curse, you just stunk for 86 years!”

    LOL.

  177. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    “The worst thing about having the playoffs on TBS has got to be those awful Frank TV commercials. They are worse than those gazillion Jeter Edge commercials we have to sit through on YES.”

    With only a slight edge on Viva Viagra. I often wonder what dads tell their young sons who may be watching games and ask what Viagra is. So much for apple pie and motherhood. It’s now only about $$$$$.

  178. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Yeah. The Cubs are cursed.

  179. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Game over. Dodgers win

  180. Forntoso October 1st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Al,

    Stick WOULD be the GM if he wanted it. There is a reason Hank told Pinella he had a job waiting for him as an adviser when he retired… he is the guy who will replace Cashman if he doesn’t produce a winner soon.

  181. Mark (Brett is back) October 1st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Lets go LA.

    Zambrano in a must win tomorrow

    Cubs fans will be on suicide watch if they ever lost game 2.

  182. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    “The worst thing about having the playoffs on TBS has got to be those awful Frank TV commercials. They are worse than those gazillion Jeter Edge commercials we have to sit through on YES.”

    The All-star line-up of bad commercials would be as follows: Frank TV, Jeter’s Edge, Free-credit report, Geico Cavemen. Gos I watch too much TV I need a new hobby.

  183. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    2 games down one game to go

    lets go angels!

  184. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Ok. Guys and Gals we can talk Hot-Stove once the sux get eliminated. Go Halos!!!

  185. vtred October 1st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Cubs needed this game.

    Billingsly tomorrow against Zombrano with a cranky shoulder.

    They will go up 2-0 in Wrigley. Cubs continue the curse.

    If you can’t win with this Cubs team, when will you ever win?

  186. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    James Loney is a stud 1B, he’s the reason LA won’t be a quick out in this playoff series, I still believe Aramis Ramirez and Geovanny Soto will prove to be too much for the Dodgers.

  187. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    100 Years of Sucking has got to make Chicago a very depressing place to be around come the end of October.

  188. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Sad to see Sori up to his old tricks. He is his most unclutch in the postseason, when it really counts.

  189. E-Rod October 1st, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Al,

    I will not be comfortable until the Dodgers are eliminated too. After that, I can relax. Francessa is going to put on a Torre love fest tomorrow.

  190. Laura - Okay, Cash - get to work!! October 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    “100 Years of Sucking has got to make Chicago a very depressing place to be around come the end of October.”

    Yes, especially since I continue to remind them of it every chance I get. It’s so funny – they will get on me about how the Yankees haven’t won since 2000. I’m like – Dude, 2000 was a hell of a lot more recent than 1908!!! :)

  191. Quilvio Imposter October 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    I wish we had a stud like Loney at 1st.

    All we have is the overhyped Miranda

    CASHMAN PLEASE GET US A REAL 1B THIS OFF-SEASON! A CORNERSTONE PLAYER!

  192. Patrick October 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Not sure why Yankee fans want the Dodgers to lose so badly. I wish nothing but the best for Torre and I like a lot of the young players on the Dodgers. It’d be really cool to see them go on a big run through the playoffs. They looked pretty good tonight, I’m certainly rooting for them.

  193. John October 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    For a fanbase and team that hasn’t won in so long, Cubs fans are delusional, arrogant, and obnoxious. They act like Sox fans. I can only imagine how bad it will be when they finally do win.

  194. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    “Al,

    I will not be comfortable until the Dodgers are eliminated too. After that, I can relax. Francessa is going to put on a Torre love fest tomorrow.”

    Fatcessa has no legitimacy. This is the same guy who romances Bronson Arroyo publicly every afternoon and said that Santana is out of Sabathia’s league. I swear Mike doesn’t watch baseball and just forms opinions based on who he has a personal crush on.

  195. GreenBeret7 October 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    How is Viagra commercials any more obnoxious and sickening tan being bombarded by the continuous female personal products?

  196. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    “100 Years of Sucking has got to make Chicago a very depressing place to be around come the end of October.”

    Boy I’ll say. I wonder if they’ve brought goats to any of their postseason games – other than the players that is.

    :)

    Weren’t they something like three outs away from winning in the NLCS when that kid grabbed the ball from Moises Alou?

  197. Sea Net October 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    If we miss out on CC, why not someone like Freddy Garcia, Paul Byrd, or Jon Lieber? An innings eater who can be had for the minimum.

  198. ÆŽR (The Final Season) October 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Maybe Ellsb*ry will
    homer to lead off
    the game. :(

  199. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    “How is Viagra commercials any more obnoxious and sickening tan being bombarded by the continuous female personal products?”

    GB, I’m not crazy about those either.

  200. Bronx Jeers October 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    53 people voted for the Red Sox for their playoff favorites?

    53 trolls.

  201. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Sea Net: because we’re looking for someone that can anchor the rotation.

  202. GreenBeret7 October 1st, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    ***How are Viagra commercials***

  203. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    GB 7 -

    I was wondering why air viagra commericals during the postsesaon? I bet Selig has something to do with it.

  204. Oddessy October 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Cashman needs to put a winner on the field also to get the media off Girardi’s back. You are doing him no favors by giving him a flawed team and asking him to turn water into wine. The media will hound him and if he doesn’t win the players will alienate him too. If you are committed to Girardi and care about him, make sure you win next year and do everything possible to put a championship caliber team on the field.

    If you wanted to rebuild, should have just kept Torre. Atleast the players and media wouldn’t turn the team into a circus like they did this year.

  205. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    GO ANGELS!

  206. Quilvio Imposter October 1st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    If Mike Francessa was a manager of a MLB team, would he sip Diet Coke in the dugout like Torre sipped Green Tea? Would he get a doctor to tell MLB it is a medical condition and he needs Diet Coke at all times?

  207. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    i agree if we got someone like James Loney i would be an extreme;y happy yankee fan

    or texeria, i wont be picky lol

  208. E-Man October 1st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Laura, contaminate? Are you serious?

    Gary Sheffield? Jason Giambi? Andy Pettitte? David Justice? Darryl Strawberry? Dwight Gooden? Roger Clemens?

    This is all that matters:
    .332 37 121 .430 .601

    Not every Yankee player is a saint.

  209. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    “If we miss out on CC, why not someone like Freddy Garcia, Paul Byrd, or Jon Lieber? An innings eater who can be had for the minimum.”

    Your sense of humor is very special.

  210. Patrick October 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    The Angels and Red Sox are the two most complete teams in the playoffs IMO. Too bad this isn’t a 7 game series, it should be a great match up.

  211. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    They better have those obnoxious rally monkeys ready to go!

    :)

    Enjoy the game all. Let’s all hope for a Sux blood bath.

    I have an early appointment in the morning so likely won’t make it through this whole game.

  212. X-Mann October 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    We don’t need bottom of the rotation starters. If we did, we’d just give the ball to Hughes.

    We need an ACE. A guy who can anchor the rotation and take pressure off everyone. A guy who can standup to the Becketts and Lackeys of the world. A guy who can stop losing streaks and take the team on his back like Santana did for the Mets. Someone who the team can look to during desperate times.

    Thats why we need CC or to trade for an ace.

  213. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    This Bon-Jovi is making me want to hang myself.

  214. vtred October 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    ER,
    Ellsbury will hit a 2-run HR to leadoff the game

  215. Mark (Brett is back) October 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    So the good John Lackey is showing up tonight, and not the one we have seen in recent weeks right?

  216. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    “Gary Sheffield? Jason Giambi? Andy Pettitte? David Justice? Darryl Strawberry? Dwight Gooden? Roger Clemens?”

    Except for Sheffield they were all team players who put the team first and never pulled any disappearing acts when they didn’t get their own way. Manny is the opposite.

    That’s the difference.

  217. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Vlad will hit a 3 run double at some point and Tori Hunter is dangerous come playoff time.

  218. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    “The Angels and Red Sox are the two most complete teams in the playoffs IMO. Too bad this isn’t a 7 game series, it should be a great match up.”

    Yeh too bad half the sox pieces are injured.

  219. Bronx Jeers October 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    “I was wondering why air viagra commericals during the postsesaon?”

    —————————————————————-

    Lots of old men watching TV wishing they were young again.

  220. Y26 October 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Cashman and Hank both said they made a lot of mistakes and need to evaluate and make sure they don’t happen again. Cashman meant last winter and Hank said over the past 5-6 years. So they do have a common goal afterall :)

  221. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    the Angels better be playing with a darned chip on their shoulder and not roll up lame like the cubs.

  222. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    I am so bummed that I’m watching the playoffs without the Yankees.

  223. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    I know we’ve gone over this before but I REALLY can’t imagine why Sux fans wouldn’t want to hang out with their own during the postseason.

    But in any event, good luck with vtred and ER, Yankee fans.

    GO ANGELS!

  224. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    E-Man,
    The only player on that list who caused clubhouse problems was Sheffield. The rest of them, while they had their personal issues, were/are loved in that clubhouse.

  225. gayle October 1st, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    I think perhaps us not making the playoffs will be the biggest blessing this team has had ina while. I have noticed the combativness of players, manager ad front office especially Chasman really come through over the past week.

    I think even though we got knocked out the past few years in the first round many including the players took making the playoffs for granted.

    It is nice to see that hunger and anger once again.

  226. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Oh God!

  227. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    Oh man. It’s this really horrible announcer.

    “That ball is playable….AND IT’S OFF THE WALL!”

    Head, meet desk.

  228. Sea Net October 1st, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    Hunter’s numbers in the division series:

    2006 vs. OAK – .273 (HR, 2 RBI)
    2004 vs. NYY – .353 (HR, 2 RBI)
    2003 vs. NYY – .429 (HR, 2 RBI)
    2002 vs. OAK – .300 (3 doubles, 2 RBIs)

  229. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    I am so bummed that I’m watching the playoffs without the Yankees.

    aren’t we all? =(

  230. NITRO October 1st, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    I see Lackey is picking up right where he left off against the Sox.

    This is so depressing.

  231. RalphieD October 1st, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    “All we have is the overhyped Miranda”

    who overhypes him?

  232. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    gayle – absolutely agree with your last post.

    I think this was a blessing in disguise because until the Yankees were actually watching October baseball from home, I think they automatically assumed they would always be there. Heck a lot of use assumed it.

  233. Mike R October 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    ““I was wondering why air viagra commericals during the postsesaon?”
    —————————————————————-
    Lots of old men watching TV wishing they were young again.”

    There’s also a lot of players that have been eliminated from post-season play watching from their homes. We all know how MLB players love their Viagra :)

  234. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Ah, but you all forget, the Angels have K-Rod!

    They will automatically win because K-Rod needs the save!

  235. GreenBeret7 October 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Ed – looking forward to 2009
    October 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm
    GB 7 -

    I was wondering why air viagra commericals during the postsesaon? I bet Selig has something to do with it.

    _____________________________________________________

    I don’t know, Ed. For somebody that wants to rid the game of uppers, it does seem to be the wrong signal to be sending.

    Sorry….just too easy.

    I have seen those commercials for Viagra being followed by ads for population control.

  236. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    whoof!

  237. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    lead off double wasted :)

  238. John October 1st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Gardner can be our Ellsbury! Players like him dominate the postseason!

    Let Gardner be the everyday CF and be our sparkplug!

    Ellsbury won a ring!
    Podsedink won a ring!
    Castillo won a ring!
    Pierre won a ring!
    Brett Butler made it to the WS!

  239. ÆŽR (The Final Season) October 1st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    I was half right.

  240. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Everyone agrees that Papelbum giving up a walk-off to Vladdy would be the best way for this game to end. Right?

  241. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Al from BK

    that would be like christmas in october! haha

  242. YankeeJosh October 1st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Al from BK

    No, Sox losing 22-0 and Lester gets bombed is the best way for this game to end. Can’t chance the Red Sox having a lead in the 9th!

  243. t-rock October 1st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Al,

    Yes. Infact, what about the game tied going into the 9th and K-Rod gives up 3 runs in the top of the 9th and Papelbon gives up a grandslam in the bottom of the 9th to lose it? And when if all the hits come with 2 outs?

  244. AlexT October 1st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    I am proud of the Yankees this season.

    With everything we had going against us, we lost at least 7-10 games from injuries.

    We lost 2-3 from mismanaging (but we did win more from good managing).

    I say we did well to be in the position we were in. Next year will be interesting and this winter will be more exciting than ever.

  245. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Anyone else think Coke is similar to Lester?

  246. Dr. J October 1st, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    ER, will Lester throw a no hitter tonight or is that only in game 5?

  247. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    t-rock: That would make my month.

  248. James (who is carl pavano?!?) October 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Now that Cash has said all this stuff he has to go and back it up…that means making trades..signing free agents etc.

    We’ll see what happens..

  249. Tank October 1st, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Coke and Lester do have a lot of similarities. I think he deserves a shot at starting IF there is a competition. Hopefully we have our ace in CC and can afford to allot one of the slots to one of the young guys. Coke is so intriguing, he turned into a power lefty seemingly overnight.

  250. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    TEX :)

  251. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Texeira giving cash every reason to sign him

  252. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    wow, these 2 announcers are Red Sox homers. let the lovefest begin.

  253. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    “Coke and Lester do have a lot of similarities. I think he deserves a shot at starting IF there is a competition. Hopefully we have our ace in CC and can afford to allot one of the slots to one of the young guys. Coke is so intriguing, he turned into a power lefty seemingly overnight.”

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if un-heralded Phil Coke turns out to be a better starter than Hughes or IPK?

  254. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    “wow, these 2 announcers are Red Sox homers. let the lovefest begin.”

    its the make excuses for Lester show

  255. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Coke reminds me a lot of Andy. His delivery, demeanor on the mound, etc. all make me think back to 96 or 97

  256. PJH October 1st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Im scared to give CC a big contract. He has had lot of strain on his arm this year. Would not surprise me if he is hiding an injury ala Johan.

  257. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Coke reminds me a lot of Andy.

    Since when did Andy have a sweeping slider and fastball in that hits 96 mph ?

  258. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! October 1st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    If they had bases loaded against us in the playoffs they’d probably still be up…

  259. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    “wow, these 2 announcers are Red Sox homers. let the lovefest begin.”

    Most broadcasters are. Especially national broadcast guys.

  260. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    coke is another leave in the bullpen, or starter

    i feel that mo isnt going to close for the yankees forever and i think either coke or joba can become great closers

  261. Mark (Brett is back) October 1st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    If they had bases loaded against us in the playoffs they’d probably still be up…

    This made me lol, and it sadly true.

  262. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    I was just talking about his delivery and demeanor. I know they have different styles.

  263. Patrick October 1st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    “Yeh too bad half the sox pieces are injured.”

    Its part of the game.. Imagine if the Angels had Kelvim Escobar healthy? They would be totally unstoppable.

  264. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    “Im scared to give CC a big contract. He has had lot of strain on his arm this year. Would not surprise me if he is hiding an injury ala Johan.”

    Nah. CC pitches well over 200 innings virtually every year. He is just an old-shool pitcher who actually likes to go deep in games.

  265. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    al–if Phil Coke ends up being better than Hughes, it would a) be hilarious, and b) have us all going “Thank G-d the pirates chose McCutcheon and Karstens”

  266. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    i feel that mo isnt going to close for the yankees forever and i think either coke or joba can become great closers

    I’d suggest you subscribe to Pinstripes Plus

  267. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    ugh im thinking about watching this game on mute, these announcers are making me sick

  268. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    YGHF,
    Joba is a starter, and Coke is going to be a 7-8 guy most likely. Brackman, Sanchez or Melanchon are the guys who have the best shot at being the next closer.

  269. Chris498 October 1st, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Joba can be a great closer, just as C.C. can, if we get him. Point being, Joba is more valuable pitching 6 innings for us, rather than 1, and that is that.

    Coke is doing very well, but we have barely seen anything out of him. If he keeps pitching and giving up a run every 13 innings, of course he will be god, but do you honestly think he is going to do that? Probably not. “Coke as closer” is a crazy statement to make right now.

  270. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    “Coke reminds me a lot of Andy.

    Since when did Andy have a sweeping slider and fastball in that hits 96 mph ?”

    Yeah Coke is very intriguing. I’ve got a solution to the (chuckles) Coke problem: Bring back Marte as the lefty guy and try Coke as a starter.

  271. GreenBeret7 October 1st, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    PJH
    October 1st, 2008 at 10:25 pm
    Im scared to give CC a big contract. He has had lot of strain on his arm this year. Would not surprise me if he is hiding an injury ala Johan.

    ________________________________________________________

    Do you just post crap to get a reaction or doyou read at all?

    Santana has a knee injury.

  272. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    I just pressed the SAP button. I’m going to listen in Spanish because I need the practice.

  273. you gotta have faith (well, theres always next year...)(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) October 1st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    ahh pokey

    i tend to forget about those guys but, yeah your right

  274. JonMichel October 1st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Like, Cash would have said off mic its time get f’n younger no more fossils.

  275. lil' m October 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Cash Money in the house!!!!

  276. Tank October 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    I do think Coke will be a better starter than Hughes or Kennedy.

    Usually its the unheralded guys who turn out to be the best.

  277. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    “al–if Phil Coke ends up being better than Hughes, it would a) be hilarious, and b) have us all going “Thank G-d the pirates chose McCutcheon and Karstens””

    Lol. Very true Becca. I remember everyone bellyaching about Karstens throwing a shutout in his first Pirates start, then he failed down the stretch and everyone has backed off.

  278. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Tank: Mark the date and time of your post. We’ll hold you to it.

  279. E-Rod October 1st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Cashman had a lot of praise for Coke today. He singled him out actually and said how much he impressed them and likes having 2 top notch lefties on the roster.

    Fatcessa didn’t ask him about being a starter– I don’t even think Mike knows who Coke is. He stopped following the team after August.

  280. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    “and Coke is going to be a 7-8 guy most likely”

    Coke is going to get stretched out. A power lefty? You have to try.

  281. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Let’s also not forget that Coke started out as being looked at very highly, struggled and then got his stuff together this season. I think Hughes may end up taking the same route, in part because he has been rushed through the system.

  282. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Isn’t it a bit to premature to start tauting Coke, Phil Coke, that is? Last year, Phil Hughes was the ace apparent because Wang-is-NOT-an-ace and look what happened.

    I want only good thing for the Yanks but I’m reserving hope until we’ve seen more.

  283. Tank October 1st, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    The replay of the Cashman interview with Francessa is on YES now, FYI.

  284. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    The guys I’m going to follow and very closely is Wilkins De La Rosa, Dellin Betances, Andrew Brackman and Zach McCallister…Brackman at 6’10 is going to take sometime but he’s topping out at 96 mph after TJS and will likely gain more arm speed as he puts it together. Dellin Betances is 6’9 and still growing can top out at 100 mph when it’s all working and is starting not to walk people.

  285. Bob(The Original) October 1st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    i dont know about you guys but i cant for this october to end so the real fun starts

    you are not the only one.

    Great baseball fans you people are.

    There’s all winter to get ready for next season.

    You can’t enjoy watching playoff baseball even if the Yanks aren’t in it?

    That’s kind of sad.

  286. AJ YANKS October 1st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    That would be something… the 4th player in the Pittsburgh deal turns out better than the guys we didn’t trade for Santana.

    I think there is a great chance that happens too if Coke’s changeup is good enough.

  287. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a man wear a jacket/blazer in that shade of pink/hot pink before.

  288. Wilson October 1st, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Coke is a lefty and has better stuff than Hughes ever had. He also just pounds strike after strike, thats what impressed me the most.

    All things being equal, he needs a chance to start if there is a competition with Hughes.

  289. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Hey! I understand (some) of what the Spanish announcers are saying! I feel accomplished.

    I don’t think anyone is putting too much stock in Phil Coke, but I thin most of us are very intrigued by what we’ve seen.

    Deserves a nice, long look in Spring Training.

  290. E-Rod+ October 1st, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    McAllister – Justin Masterson at best

    Christian Garcia is the guy who we should all watch for.

  291. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Harwood that is a great point. As someone who constantly argued against making Joba a permanent part of the bullpen, I should probably use the same line of reasoning with Coke. I think with the season he had, they have to go into ST giving him a shot at either the ML or AAA rotation.

  292. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    AJ funny thing about Coke is had it not been for a false injury report he would have been traded in the Pitt. deal. Someone up there gave us a break.

    The 3 talented LHP to watch out for WDR, Micheal Dunn and Manny Banuelos.

  293. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    I don’t follow prospects so forgive me, but how can Coke have “better stuff than Hughes ever had” and no one talked about him til this year? Meanwhile, we’ve been hearing about Hughes for years.

  294. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    McAllister – Justin Masterson at best

    Some are saying Doc

    Christian Garcia is the guy who we should all watch for.

    This sonofab… needs to stay healthy !

  295. R-Tek October 1st, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Remember, before Coke was converted to the pen in AA, he had 3 double digit strikeout games in a row. So he was clearly starting to find it as a starter.

    He added FB velocity and figured out how to throw a devastating slider.

    His arsenal sure is better than Kennedy or Hughes.

  296. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Wilson, Coke is also 3-4 years older than Hughes.

  297. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Scorpio:

    I think “better stuff than Hughes” is an exaggeration. That said, there were some expectations on Coke in Spring Training. He faltered badly, but was able to get his act together.

  298. Wilson October 1st, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Garcia is such a tease. He is still only 22 and if his head is on straight, he could fly through the system. His stuff is maybe just a tick below the Joba/Betances line. Better than Hughes’ too. Has nice mechanics and a repeatable delivery.

    He will probably start in Tampa when the weather is warm and then go to AA. He could be in AAA after the ASB. His stuff is so good, I hope he stays healthy.

  299. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    “I don’t follow prospects so forgive me, but how can Coke have “better stuff than Hughes ever had” and no one talked about him til this year? Meanwhile, we’ve been hearing about Hughes for years.”

    I think saying better stuff than Hughes ever had is a bit harsh. However being a lefty helps Coke and he has 2 plus pitches( slider, and change-up) he also has a 95 mph fastball while Hughes has only one plus pitch his curve and a 91 mph fastball so that argument can be made.

  300. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    As far as 1B goes, I think they just need to go ahead and move Montero there.

  301. pat October 1st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    “Cashman wants more players to take the attitude of Mussina, Brian Bruney and Johnny Damon, who turned sub-par 2007 seasons into good 2008 seasons. “We need more of that,” he said.”

    As opposed to players who have a sub-par year and follow it up with another sub-par year?

    Personally I prefer players who have a good year and follow it up with another good year but to each their own.

  302. John October 1st, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Coke has more FB velocity than Hughes and his slider is as good if not better than Hughes’ curveball. Hughes still has some refining to do with his curve. Coke’s slider is a legit swing and miss pitch right now. Coke apparently has a serviceable changeup and Hughes doesn’t. Coke has demonstrated far better command at the ML level.

    How is it false that Coke has better stuff than Hughes? Of course Hughes is younger but that wasn’t the question, it was pure stuff.

  303. Mike R October 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    I think it would be silly if the Yankees didn’t at least give Coke the opportunity to start. I think we’ll see him get a start in spring training for sure.

  304. BB October 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Manny is more worth than A-Rod.
    Manny can provide the team with “practical contribuction” and bring “positive affection”,but A-Rod seem not.

    I don’t trust Giradi can lead Yankees into the playoff game in next season.
    I don’t trust Kevin Long can heave Yankees’s hitting.
    I don’t trust the almost same line-up can go into the playoff game in next season.
    Althouh there are many injuries in this season,but it isn’t excuse for loss.Yankees players’s desire for win is less than Rays and Redsox,and the coaches lack of ability to change the worst situation.Yankees’s loss seem be inexorable trend in this year.Not mention Pavano,I think sign Posoda last year was a big mistake.Yankees need to build a more younger,animal spirits and combat effectiveness team,and initiate new “Yankees Dynasty”.I don’t think the no change line-up can do it.The team need to turn into better year after year.I like the team,and really don’t want to see it lood like “dead water”.
    Yankees really need to “CHANGE”.

  305. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    I think what he meant was that those guys were mad at themselves and spent the entire offseason working to get in the best shape possible, especially Bruney.

  306. Fire Meachum October 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Age is irrelevant when discussing Coke. Erik Bedard was a late bloomer as well. He has shown he has very good stuff and was a starter. If Hughes gets a chance to compete for a spot, why shouldn’t Coke? Are they afraid Coke will beat Hughes in an open competition and they will look bad?

  307. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Coke has the potential to be a Jon Sanchez/Jon Lester type pitcher if the Yankees give him the opportunity.

  308. Trevor October 1st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Christian Garcia is a ‘tease’. He needs to stay healthy. If he can his upside is better then Hughes. And he doesn’t have all the media hype that Hughes has had. Which is a little bit surprising because he’s more talented then Hughes.
    But if he could ever turn it around, he still young enough he’ll sneak up on some who have never heard of him. He’s flying under some people’s radar.

  309. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    When I saw Bruney’s ST picture, I didn’t recognize him!

    The change in attitude worked well for him–except for the unfortunate injury.

  310. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    There are 3 rotation spots up for grabs according to Cashman, so I doubt that Coke will be denied a chance to compete.

  311. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    John it took Coke 4 yrs. to put it together he is 26 yrs. old, Hughes is 22 and adding pitches to his rep. that’s why it’s near false, right now it looks like Coke is heads above the Hughes but I wouldn’t be to sure of that, it took Ervin Santana 3 yrs. to find an armslot to throw a better fastball. I wouldn’t judge right now.

  312. Tank October 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Coke is 26
    Alan Horne is 26
    Aceves is 26
    Sanchez is going to be 26
    Brackman is going to turn 24 this winter and will be 26 at the earliest when he reaches AAA.

  313. Mike R October 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    You have to be careful with Coke. Once you start him once, he can get addicting.

  314. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    FYI, I don’t know if this was already posted:

    “If they think they need to get rid of me to make the team better, they might trade me,” Peavy said. “But I hope it doesn’t come to that.”

    One potential catch: As part of the $52-million extension Peavy received last season from CEO Sandy Alderson and Towers, he also obtained full no-trade powers through the 2010 season.

    Peavy’s consent, therefore, would be needed for a trade to any of the other 29 clubs.

    What’s more, Peavy told The San Diego Union-Tribune on Saturday that if it ever comes to it, he would only accept a trade to a National League team. If so, that would remove two of baseball’s biggest spenders that Towers long has cultivated for trade purposes – the Yankees and Red Sox.

  315. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    what if our rotation for next season would be:

    SOME UNKNOWN SP
    Wang
    Joba
    Hughes
    Coke

    that would be crazy, if Coke begins to struggle, replace him with someone else.

  316. pat October 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    “I don’t think I’ve ever seen a man wear a jacket/blazer in that shade of pink/hot pink before.”

    That’s his signature look. I promise tomorrow nights color will be just as interesting.

  317. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Tank, it’s not Mark Feinsand’s opinion, it’s the Yankees. I’m sorry that you guys don’t agree with the team, but oh well – them’s the breaks.

  318. Patrick Bateman October 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Funny stuff.

    Everyone getting excited for Peavy who doesn’t have half the resume of Johan. He’s also gonna cost more.

    If Cashman makes a trade for Peavy, all it proves is that he was dead wrong about not trading for Santana.

  319. t-rock October 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Coke – Steroids or devine intervention?

    He was one outing away from being demoted to single A then he adds 3 MPH to his fastball, finds a devastating slider out of nowhere, and then ends up reaching the majors and dominating.

    It’s not a fluke either, look at his stuff. At the very least he is an excellent arm out of the pen.

  320. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    I’m all for a competition for the spots. I want the best 5 guys in the rotation we can get, and I think that’s what we’ll see in the Spring. Right now the best 5 we have are probably CMW, Joba, Aceves and Coke, with Hughes and Wright tied for the last spot.

  321. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    What’s more, Peavy told The San Diego Union-Tribune on Saturday that if it ever comes to it, he would only accept a trade to a National League team. If so, that would remove two of baseball’s biggest spenders that Towers long has cultivated for trade purposes – the Yankees and Red Sox.

    well it was worth dreaming if it’s true.

  322. Tito October 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Ya’ll are still wanting Zach Grienke in Pinstripes? The guy is a nutcase in K.C., imagine how bad he will be in New York. Would be a terrible, terrible move.

  323. Trevor October 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Brackman is 22 turning 23 not turning 24. 12/04/85

  324. Mike R October 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Wang and Coke back to back would definitely give you solid innings.

  325. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    “FYI, I don’t know if this was already posted:

    “If they think they need to get rid of me to make the team better, they might trade me,” Peavy said. “But I hope it doesn’t come to that.”

    One potential catch: As part of the $52-million extension Peavy received last season from CEO Sandy Alderson and Towers, he also obtained full no-trade powers through the 2010 season.

    Peavy’s consent, therefore, would be needed for a trade to any of the other 29 clubs.

    What’s more, Peavy told The San Diego Union-Tribune on Saturday that if it ever comes to it, he would only accept a trade to a National League team. If so, that would remove two of baseball’s biggest spenders that Towers long has cultivated for trade purposes – the Yankees and Red Sox.”

    Translation: The AL is too hard and I would prefer to stay in the peewee league NL West.

  326. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Alan Horne.

    That’s a name that we haven’t heard in ages.

    What’s going on with him? Is he a bust? Or does have some more time to get his act together?

  327. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    LOL This Phil Coke love is off-the wall ridiculous. I see that the HOF is already saving a spot for him……..again, just wait until he struggles. Of course, he’s probably a perfect pitcher and he will have a career ERA of 0.00

  328. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    I think Scott Aldred taught him the slider. He wasn’t in danger of being demoted I never read that anywhere this year. Coke learned the slider midway last yr. onto this yr. but it was the change up that helped him K alot of batters, that’s the pitch that can make him or break him.

  329. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    are they really talking up varitek? this is flagrant bias.

  330. E-Rod October 1st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Posturing on Peavy’s part…. he wants compensation. Abreu also said he would not approve a trade to the AL either before he was traded for him. Favre said he would never play in NY. Damon said he didn’t want to play for the Yankees.

    If Towers went to Peavy, and gave us permission to talk to him, I’m sure he’d change his mind.

  331. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    I love how everyone is forgetting that this team needs at least 2 free agent/trade pitchers.

  332. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    What’s going on with him? Is he a bust? Or does have some more time to get his act together?

    Rebecca –

    Horne got injuried earlier in the season. I think it was because of rotator cuff. He was shut down for the remainder of the season.

  333. steve October 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Joba mania never got old

    either will Coke mania

  334. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Ed: Ah, okay. Seems he’s always hurt.

  335. hank hal October 1st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Al,

    Cashman realizes this too. He firmly told Francessa Joba and Wang are the only ones in the rotation next year and he has to fill the other 3 spots this winter. He mentioned nothing about a competition or Hughes/Kennedy/Aceves.

    He knows we need 4 reliable starters and Joba in the 5th spot.

  336. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Rebecca,
    Horne was great in ’07, but got derailed this season by a minor bicep tear and then a tired arm. From what Chad Jennings has said on the SWB blog, the organization still loves him and they are just writing this season off as bad luck.

  337. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Ya’ll are still wanting Zach Grienke in Pinstripes?

    His brother is in our SIY team. He seems more controlled and can pump it as good as his bro, but we’ll talk about him in 4-5 yrs.

  338. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    “Alan Horne.

    That’s a name that we haven’t heard in ages.

    What’s going on with him? Is he a bust? Or does have some more time to get his act together?”

    Complete and total bust Becca. Constantly hurt and lack of passion.

  339. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Pokey and Al:

    Well, one of you is right :-P

  340. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Horne should have been sold as soon as he came back from the injury. I don’t think he’ll ever see the Bronx.

  341. John October 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    I predict Coke will have a better career than Hughes, Kennedy, and Aceves.

    Coke will make the ASG in 2009 as a starter.

  342. RalphieD October 1st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    “Of course, he’s probably a perfect pitcher and he will have a career ERA of 0.00″

    well he gave up 1 run already soo….

  343. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Rebecca -

    now that you mentioned that he’s always injuried. I think he’s starting to become another Carl Pavano.

  344. Alfred E. Kennedy October 1st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Horne = Bust, like Steve White.

  345. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    “Al,

    Cashman realizes this too. He firmly told Francessa Joba and Wang are the only ones in the rotation next year and he has to fill the other 3 spots this winter. He mentioned nothing about a competition or Hughes/Kennedy/Aceves.

    He knows we need 4 reliable starters and Joba in the 5th spot.”

    Hopefully this is true. If I see Igawa, Ponson, Rasner or IPK pitching more than a handful of innings next season me head will explode.

  346. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    “Al,

    Cashman realizes this too. He firmly told Francessa Joba and Wang are the only ones in the rotation next year and he has to fill the other 3 spots this winter. He mentioned nothing about a competition or Hughes/Kennedy/Aceves.

    He knows we need 4 reliable starters and Joba in the 5th spot.”

    Hopefully this is true. If I see Igawa, Ponson, Rasner or IPK pitching more than a handful of innings next season my head will explode.

  347. no.27 October 1st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    lets go angels! 1-0

  348. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Hey look! An Angels run!

  349. mel October 1st, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Brandon,

    Yes, Coke was in real trouble. Horrible start to the season, and turned it around. It’s on Ashmore’s site I think.

    Angels on the board.

  350. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Horne should have been sold as soon as he came back from the injury. I don’t think he’ll ever see the Bronx.

    I think so too. who would you trade Horne for?

  351. Guard October 1st, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Everyone likes a good story and a cool name thats why fans gravitate towards Joba and Coke. Doesn’t hurt that they are damn good pitchers as well.

  352. Mike R October 1st, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Manny would’ve had that

  353. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    I predict Coke will have a better career than Hughes, Kennedy, and Aceves.

    Coke will make the ASG in 2009 as a starter.

    John chill out.

  354. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Tell me, besides a slider and 96 mph fastball, what other pitches does Coke have to be a competitive starter?

    Impressed with Lowe today, a Boras FA who bested FA Dempster.

    Do not think Yankees should rush to resign Pettitte as he’s going nowhere.

    Fix the starting pitching first. Of the FA pitchers available[ not looking at agents, years or dollars]IMO, these pitchers would do best in NY and AL East.

    Sabathia-clearly would be the ace of staff
    Burnett-did well against us, Boston and Tampa-injuries?
    Lowe-35 yo keeps ball down with movement and beat Cubs+ had a great stretch in September unlike Pettitte who can’t give you 200 innings.
    Mussina-can he still win 15 games?
    Oliver Perez- good stuff, a lefty who can pitch in NY, Boras client, some control issues.

    Thoughts?

  355. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    AL -

    you don’t think Wang isn’t reliable?

  356. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Whenever I get sad about the Yankees. I think about the NFL while listening to this it helps big time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVRTQq-xJbg

  357. t-rock October 1st, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Brandon,

    http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....g-leaguer/

    It wasn’t too long ago that Phil Coke was one or two bad starts away from possibly being sent down to Single-A Tampa.

    He was 0-1 with a 6.23 ERA in the month of April, and the Eastern League was hitting at a .340 clip off of him. In 26 innings of work during the first month of the season, he allowed 18 earned runs.

    Over the next three months, he allowed just fifteen.

    His velocity started slowly creeping up from the 88-89 MPH readings he was posting at the start of the year. With that, the strikeouts started coming in bunches. Over his final three months with the Thunder, he posted four double-digit strikeout games before eventually being converted to a reliever shortly after the infamous trade, no-trade debacle.

  358. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Since I brought up blogs, I read the Jennings blog and Thunder Thoughts. Does anyone know of any good blogs for the lower level teams?

  359. mel October 1st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Can’t put much stock in what Cash says about personnel. He pumps up guys to raise their stock and talks down players to temper expectations.

    If Hughes pitches like he did in Toronto, going deep into the game and almost outdueling Burnett, he’ll get a spot if one’s open for him.

  360. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    “AL -

    you don’t think Wang isn’t reliable?”

    Wang is very reliable I can’t blame him for what happened in Houston. He was well on his way to winning 20 games this year.

  361. Kill-Schill(ing) October 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    I popping a few Viagras just for the heck of it. So many commercials for it I feel impelled to try.

    Let’s hope it’s not as potent a V-Juice.

  362. Jamed 3D October 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Wang is reliable but he’s not an ace. Either is Hughes.

    Joba is an ace but he has to prove he can stay healthy for 200 innings. Until then, he cannot be considered anything more than the #5.

    We need a real ace. Cashman needs to get one. He whiffed on Santana now he must rectify it.

  363. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    I think so too. who would you trade Horne for?

    He first needs to get healthy.

    Yes, Coke was in real trouble. Horrible start to the season, and turned it around. It’s on Ashmore’s site I think.

    He had 1 bad start in AA I doubt they would have sent him to A ball, maybe Mike A. is stretching it too much check the stats game to game.

    Phil Coke

  364. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    If only we had Wang all year, we might have pulled off a postseason entry…oh well =(

  365. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    T-Rock: It begs the question:

    what happened?

  366. GreenBeret7 October 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    ERA, 251 K’s-253 IP, 10 CG’s 5 Shut-Outs.)
    October 1st, 2008 at 11:02 pm
    “Alan Horne.

    That’s a name that we haven’t heard in ages.

    What’s going on with him? Is he a bust? Or does have some more time to get his act together?”

    Complete and total bust Becca. Constantly hurt and lack of passion.

    ___________________________________________________

    I’ve looked on thebaseballcube.com and baseball-reference.com and I couldn’t find the lack of passion column. Where did you find that stat?

  367. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    YT,
    NO to Burnett and Perez… they give me a bad feeling that they’d be wasted money. Yes, to CC. I would take Lowe for a year if the money was right. I think Moose is done and IF Andy’s shoulder is ok then he’s a maybe.

  368. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Al –

    oh ok, thanks for the clarification. I think I might had misread your comment or you probably mistyped? You said we need 4 reliable starters, prehaps you meant to type 3?

  369. Timmy Lupus October 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    “Tell me, besides a slider and 96 mph fastball, what other pitches does Coke have to be a competitive starter?”

    He has a pretty good change. He threw it against the Red Sox a few times in the last series of the season.

  370. Kill-Schill(ing) October 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Death to the Sux!!!!!!!!!

    Beckett, dead. Papelbone, dead. Niedermeyer, DEAD!

  371. mel October 1st, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Lowell is useless. He can’t even open up that right hip at the plate.

  372. E-Rod October 1st, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Cashman also said they believed in Tabata and he is the youngest player in the EL and a big part of our future.

    2 weeks later he is gone for a role player and lefty reliever.

    Never believe Cashman or never think someone is untouchable. I’d bet Joba is the only untouchable young guy we have, Cashman will shop other guys if he can improve the team.

  373. ÆŽR (The Final Season) October 1st, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    After 62 saves, does Francisco Rodriguez have any arm ligament left? Guess not.

  374. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    For those that are wondering who are this year Yankee’s rule 5 is, go here:

    The 40 man roster

    The Yanks need to keep JB Cox off the rule 5 no matter what.

  375. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    I think they did have a lot of faith in Tabata before he became a Ruben Rivera level headcase.

  376. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    “ERA, 251 K’s-253 IP, 10 CG’s 5 Shut-Outs.)
    October 1st, 2008 at 11:02 pm
    “Alan Horne.

    That’s a name that we haven’t heard in ages.

    What’s going on with him? Is he a bust? Or does have some more time to get his act together?”

    Complete and total bust Becca. Constantly hurt and lack of passion.

    ___________________________________________________

    I’ve looked on thebaseballcube.com and baseball-reference.com and I couldn’t find the lack of passion column. Where did you find that stat?”

    If you actually followed the guy you’d know about his attitude. Frequently takes himself out of starts even when he is healthy and complains about not feeling into it and how he has no feel for his stuff. He does that after every start in which he struggles, hes a guy who likes to make excuses and never owns up to mistakes.

  377. vtred October 1st, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Get a real 1st baseman please.

    A guy who is a defensive whiz and can hit.

  378. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Ruben Rivera.

    That brings back memories.

  379. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    vtred,
    Right away, I’m sure Cash can take care of that on his next trip to Wal-Mart.

  380. Drive 4-5 October 1st, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    How bad would Vlad get beat up if he played in New York and was this bad in the postseason?

    There’s no doubt about it. A guy like Vlad or Manny has a lot easier time of it playing on the West Coast.

    Speaking of Manny, how many Red Sox fans choked on their chowda when he legged out that 1st ininng single tonight? Arent those the same legs he couldnt run on the last time he was in New York?

  381. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Rebecca,

    We should all thank the good Lord every night for Ruben. Without him, we would never have found Mo.

    He’s a sad case actually. Hell of a lot of talent, just messed up in the head.

  382. Harry October 1st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Just get Tex and CC. Get younger and better.

  383. Quilvio Imposter October 1st, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Hughes for Zach Grienke and DeJesus

    Kills 2 birds with one stove

    We get our starting pitcher AND Center fielder

  384. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Al, that’s how I read it. Peavey doesn’t sound like a very competitive guy at all….

    By the way, I don’t mean to knock Phil Coke; I want the Yankees to win, so if he does well, then so does the team. I just don’t think we can rush to judgment on him – the league is going to adjust to him and he’ll have to adjust back.

    I have faith in Phil and that’ll be enough for me. I’m looking forward to the AFL and to seeing how he progresses.

  385. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Pokey: Not to pun it, but, Amen.

    Quivlo, Greinke isn’t the kind of ace we need.

  386. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    QI,
    We have our CF… unfortunately he just finished the season in Trenton.

  387. ray (sox fan) October 1st, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    “Speaking of Manny, how many Red Sox fans choked on their chowda when he legged out that 1st ininng single tonight? Arent those the same legs he couldnt run on the last time he was in New York?”

    Which is exactly why the Yankees will pass on Manny if they are smart. Manny can be one of the best players in baseball if he wants to be, but he can also quit on you if he feels like it. He is wanting a big contract right now, but won’t have that motivation next year.

  388. Sea Net October 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Joba will eventually be the ace as soon as he is ready to throw 200 innings.

    But we need an interim Ace.

  389. mel October 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    t-rock,

    Thanks for digging that up. For a minute there, Brandon made me think I’m losing it. Well, you know what I mean.

  390. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Rebecca –

    Guess what I found? Last week’s SI. And guess who’s on the cover?

    The good ‘ol Cubbies.

    Maybe it’s not simple suckiness. The jinx may live on.

  391. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    When does the AFL start?

  392. RalphieD October 1st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    what kind of numbers would be appeasing for a jax to put up in the AFL this year…and what kind of numbers would really open peoples eyes…random question, i know..im just bored

  393. GreenBeret7 October 1st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD’s 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K’s-253 IP, 10 CG’s 5 Shut-Outs.)
    October 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pm
    “ERA, 251 K’s-253 IP, 10 CG’s 5 Shut-Outs.)
    October 1st, 2008 at 11:02 pm
    “Alan Horne.

    If you actually followed the guy you’d know about his attitude. Frequently takes himself out of starts even when he is healthy and complains about not feeling into it and how he has no feel for his stuff. He does that after every start in which he struggles, hes a guy who likes to make excuses and never owns up to mistakes.

    ________________________________________________________

    And this information comes from where? Has it been reported to the Yankee front office? Or, is this just your opinion and assumption?

  394. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Such declarative statements – Joba is an ace? Not yet he’s not – I’m sure he’ll be one, but can we wait please? Phil is not an ace……obviously. Expecting a just turned 22 year old to be an ace is incredibly short-sighted. Saying he’s never going to be one? Sheesh

  395. patrick max October 1st, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    i still think kennedy can be a star, too many people are giving up on him.

    i think kennedy could be better than hughes. they have comparable stuff.

    kennedy is polished, knows how to pitch, and competes.

  396. mel October 1st, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    QI,

    You know you wrote stove instead of stone? Did it in the other thread, too.

  397. TeKNeticK October 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Ralphie,

    The AFL is an absolute bandbox. Eric Duncan was named MVP of that league 2 years ago. If Jackson doesn’t tear it up, then we should be worried. The parks are small and the ball flys with the warm dry desert air.

  398. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    “Just get Tex and CC. Get younger and better.”

    Sounds good. Unfortunately Cashman is trying his best Billy Beane impression and likely won’t pursue either.

  399. COL 88 October 1st, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Can the Angels please add an insurance run? A 1 run lead will NOT stand against the Sox. Shields will gag it.

  400. dan 771 October 1st, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    al,

    cashman wants to run the yankees like a small market team.

    no tex and cc for us. we will get derek lowe and use miranda at 1st base.

    no postseason for us in 09 unless stick gets his way this off-season

  401. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    “i still think kennedy can be a star, too many people are giving up on him.

    i think kennedy could be better than hughes. they have comparable stuff.

    kennedy is polished, knows how to pitch, and competes.”

    lol. Let me guess the 3rd baseman of the future is Drew Henson and the next 1B is Eric Duncan.

  402. BB October 1st, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    “”Cashman wants more players to take the attitude of Mussina, Brian Bruney and Johnny Damon, who turned sub-par 2007 seasons into good 2008 seasons. “We need more of that,” he said.””

    Totally agree.A lot of Yankees players need to improve their unmindful attitude.

    “Wang is reliable but he’s not an ace.Either is Hughes.
    Joba is an ace but he has to prove he can stay healthy for 200 innings. Until then, he cannot be considered anything more than the #5.”

    It’s not the true.Joba is not ace right now,etither is Hughes.They haven’t prove themselves yet,but one of them can be the #5.

  403. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    Will free agents want to play for Girardi?

    Think full court press on players like CC, need to include phone calls from Jeter, Posada, and Rivera. That’s an area where Torre shined, when called upon to entice players to sign with us.

    Was listening to Kellerman on radio coming home from work. Can’t say I agree with his idea of what the Yankees should do:
    1. Sign Teixeira and Orlando Hudson for 1st and 2nd.
    2. Trade Matsui and Cano to Seattle for Ichiro and Bedard, if he doesn’t have torn rotator cuff.
    Outfield of
    Damon, LF;Ichiro, CF; Nady, RF
    3. Sign Manny DH
    4. Gardner would be 4th outfielder.

  404. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    “al,

    cashman wants to run the yankees like a small market team.

    no tex and cc for us. we will get derek lowe and use miranda at 1st base.

    no postseason for us in 09 unless stick gets his way this off-season”

    I know. Thats why I hope the forces that be (Stick, Hal) dont let Cash get his way.

  405. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Drew Henson? wasn’t he our 3B for like one game?

  406. Dave D October 1st, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Am I the only one who forgets to check the top of the thread for updated posts from Pete and sometimes post in the old one for hours?

  407. gayle October 1st, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Why is it that we have to see Scott Boras’ smug face with every batter.

    The 40 man roster is going to be a big part of what has to be dealt with this off season.

  408. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    “Will free agents want to play for Girardi?

    Think full court press on players like CC, need to include phone calls from Jeter, Posada, and Rivera. That’s an area where Torre shined, when called upon to entice players to sign with us.

    Was listening to Kellerman on radio coming home from work. Can’t say I agree with his idea of what the Yankees should do:
    1. Sign Teixeira and Orlando Hudson for 1st and 2nd.
    2. Trade Matsui and Cano to Seattle for Ichiro and Bedard, if he doesn’t have torn rotator cuff.
    Outfield of
    Damon, LF;Ichiro, CF; Nady, RF
    3. Sign Manny DH
    4. Gardner would be 4th outfielder.”

    Terrible idea. Bedard hates pitching, he has even said how he prefers hockey and would rather not be a baseball player.

  409. LLIME October 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Joba is our ace. He was our best pitcher when he was healthy. That 1-0 game in Fenway vs. Beckett cemented it.

    Health is the only question with Joba.

  410. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    YT,
    The Boss was also great in talking guys into coming to the team.

    As for Kellerman’s ideas, that would be a big negative on Ichiro and Bedard. Bedard has no passion and Ichiro’s contract and attitude suck. Why take on that contract when AJAX is almost ready?

  411. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    “Drew Henson? wasn’t he our 3B for like one game?”

    I was making a weak attempt at sarcasm.

  412. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Wang also pitched a gem in Fenway this year.

  413. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    I was making a weak attempt at sarcasm.

    Yeah I know you were. I was just asking if he was.

  414. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    That was Boras right?! I thought I was mistaken, what the heck is he doing in the dugout? I thought only players/coaches were allowed.

  415. NITRO October 1st, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    If we can’t get an ace, why not sign somebody like Glavine or Smoltz for a year to eat innings?

  416. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Rebecca -

    Guess what I found? Last week’s SI. And guess who’s on the cover?

    The good ‘ol Cubbies.

    Maybe it’s not simple suckiness. The jinx may live on.

    The Cubs consented to that? Are you effin kidding me?

  417. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Is Buck Martinez godfather to Tito’s kids? I feel like hurling listening to him slobber all over everything the Sux players are doing. Talk about making excuses. Jed Lowrie is just a little defensive god according to him. Slick grass is the reason he blew that ground ball. And isn’t Lester just the best thing since sliced bread? Wow Pukelisp is the reason the Sux are where they are. And how about Big Popup? Lackey is nothing but lucky tonight kids. And how about the little horse Pedroia?

    UGH!

  418. no.27 October 1st, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    I don’t agree with going out and getting 3 starters to add to Wang and Joba in the rotation. Definitely get CC, no question about that. I think its starting to become clear that Pettitte is coming back. After that, who is available that you would want in the Yankees rotation? AJ Burnett is inconsistent when he is healthy, and he’s not healthy very often (03- 4 starts, 04- 19 starts, 06- 21 starts, 07- 25 starts). Oliver Perez is really inconsistent too. Derrick Lowe is going to be 36 years old and pitched in the AAA last year.

    Who is the 3rd starter that you want the Yankees to get that is a better option than Phil Hughes?

  419. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Nitro: Because we have plenty of pitchers that can eat innings.

    Heck, if that’s what we were looking for we could resign Ponson and Rasner.

  420. pat October 1st, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Boras has season tickets right behind home plate.

  421. no.27 October 1st, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    *to be clear, when I said Lowe pitched in AAA last year I meant that there aren’t any good offensive teams in the NL West.

  422. gayle October 1st, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Scorpio it is not the dugout they are actualseats premium seats at that he owns that box has season tickets to the Angels.

    I keep thinking they shouldput one of those bubble things above his head with thoughts coming out.

    As Tex gets a hit last inning the bubble would says cha-ching cha-ching.

    Or when something else happens a bubble would say hmm I wonder what news I can make at this years World Series.

  423. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    J.D. Drew has “Mickey Mantle-like power”.

    Who in hell is the freak with Martinez?

    What a sickening sycophantish duo!

  424. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    Rebecca –

    correction: Rasner will still with the team next season. he isn’t a free agent to be, unless Cashman decides to DFA him.

  425. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    I now hate Jason Bay.

  426. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 1st, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    oh no, Lackey. why hung that pitch?

  427. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 1st, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Sox with the lead
    Damn!

  428. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Jason Bay pulls a Manny.
    2-1 Sox

  429. ray (sox fan) October 1st, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Who needs manny? lol

  430. Bronx Jeers October 1st, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Manny who?

    Exactly. Bay has been a freak for those guys.

    Tex with another gem.

  431. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! October 1st, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Wait…was that Jason Bay or Manny?

  432. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    This is what the Angels do to you, they let you come back then proceed to the rally monkey inning and kick your ass.

  433. GreenBeret7 October 1st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Pokey
    October 1st, 2008 at 11:23 pm
    Rebecca,

    We should all thank the good Lord every night for Ruben. Without him, we would never have found Mo.

    He’s a sad case actually. Hell of a lot of talent, just messed up in the head.

    ______________________________________________________

    They learned about Ruben Rivera from Mariano Rivera. Nobody even knew there was a Ruben Rivera playing baseball. He was a soccer player. They signed Mariano in February of 1990 and Ruben in November of 1990.

  434. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    It’s ok, there’s still time for the Angels to come back.

    gayle – thx, it looked like the dugout to me for some reason. the fence threw me off.

  435. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    I just said to myself. I hope Lackey doesnt give away a bomb this inning.

    BATS lets go!

  436. NITRO October 1st, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    ER was right, Jason Bay would reak havoic in this series

  437. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Jason Bay a FA in 2010 hits 2 run homer.
    Teixeira makes diving stop at first is 2-3 with two singles.

    I don’t want us to consider any free agents playing in the postseason, who don’t shine in these pressure games!

  438. R-Tek October 1st, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Potential top of the rotation starters we can acquire via trade:

    Jeremy Bonderman
    Zack Grienke
    Andrew Miller
    Scott Olsen
    Matt Cain
    Jake Peavy
    Aaron Harang
    Wandy Rodriguez
    Ricky Nolasco
    Chris Young

  439. pat October 1st, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    2 Jeter commercials and counting so far.

  440. Forntoso October 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    Teixeria is a big game performer. Sign him.

  441. Celerino Sanchez October 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    Jason Bay. Just like to point out at this time that the genius Steve Phillips once traded Bay to the Padres for some guy named Steve Reed. Nice move.

  442. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    I just think the Angels really hate us.

  443. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    “Anaheim nervously on the edge of their seats because the Red Sox have taken the lead.”

    Uh, it’s only 2-1 in the 6th with the worst bullpen in the majors waiting in the wings to help the Angels score more runs, and they’re on the edge of their seats?

    These announces rival McCarver and Buck!

  444. Scorpio October 1st, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    That 1st inning bases loaded, no runs might come back to haunt the Angels.

  445. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 1st, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Trisha: Boston has issues with their bullpen, but I’d take Boston’s pen over Milwaukee’s any day.

    Never mind St. Louis or the Mets.

  446. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 1st, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    what has Teix done again ? Like YT said these are pressure games and so far the Angel that stands out is Garrett Anderson and Tori Hunter.

  447. ray (sox fan) October 1st, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    “Uh, it’s only 2-1 in the 6th with the worst bullpen in the majors waiting in the wings to help the Angels score more runs,”

    I didn’t realize the Mets were playing the Angels????

  448. harwood October 1st, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    This is a must win for the Angles. You cant count on Beckett still being injured and sucking. The guy has a history of delivering when they need him.

  449. Betsy October 1st, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Now I’ve heard it all – Kennedy has comparable stuff to Phil?

    Here’s (finally!!) a rational article:

    http://blogs.trb.com/sports/baseball/blog/

    2003 marked the Yankees’ last World Series appearance, which makes this an acceptable segue to discuss Brian Cashman. Yes, he’s back, and yes, I think Yankees fans should be pleased.

    All you have to do is look at this year’s AL playoff contenders and see the common denominator: Young talent. For the Rays, Red Sox and Angels, it’s largely homegrown. The White Sox have more of a mix of guys they developed and guys they acquired, like John Danks and Gavin Floyd.

    None of the four clubs experienced an entirely smooth transition. The Red Sox and Angels both missed the playoffs in 2006. The White Sox skipped the prior two Octobers after their 2005 championship. And the Rays took their entire lifetime to get here.

    Cashman gets that. What happened in 2008 doesn’t deter him from that. This is what he said to me back in February, when Hank Steinbrenner already was chirping about the decision not to get Johan Santana:

    “I choose not to look at something as six months. Whatever happens, it’s only six months. I’ve got a bigger picture in mind. And I think that the next five-to-10 years of the franchise, (people) will be very proud of a lot of the work we are doing, and I’m willing to walk through fire to get there.”

    I think this past season qualifies as “fire.” Cashman was brutally honest today in saying that he was motivated largely by how others would regard him if he walked away now to Seattle (and it would’ve been Seattle, not Philadelphia or Washington or ESPN or anywhere else, according to friends of Cashman). It made him sound a little like the ultra-defensive Willie Randolph, to be making important life decisions because of stuff like this. But I guess he gets points for honesty.

    Inside the baseball industry, Cashman is regarded with immense respect. For his forthrightness, his calm under pressure and his willingness to retool the Yankees with this emphasis on youth. I remember asking Theo Epstein last January whether he was happy Cashman passed on Johan Santana. Epstein responded: “I wish the Yankees were still operating the way they were five years ago,” when they were constantly giving away young talent for expensive veterans.

    It’s silly to declare the Santana saga over, one year into it. I’m not saying that Phil Hughes will wind up a superstar and Santana will wind up injured. But don’t you think we should let some more time pass before casting final judgment?

  450. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    I’m so mad right now I’m going to sleep.

  451. GreenBeret7 October 1st, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    mel
    October 1st, 2008 at 11:29 pm
    QI,

    You know you wrote stove instead of stone? Did it in the other thread, too.

    _____________________________________________________

    If the Yanks can’t have them, he wants to drop a stove on them so nobody else gets them. Sort of a “Wizard Of Oz” twist, using a stove.

  452. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Rebecca you’re right. I should have said one of the worst bullpens in the majors.

  453. Yankee Trader October 1st, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Potential top of the rotation starters we can acquire via trade:

    Jeremy Bonderman-NO
    Zack Grienke-Maybe
    Andrew Miller-NO
    Scott Olsen-Lefty and possibility
    Matt Cain-No Chance
    Jake Peavy-No chance
    Aaron Harang-NO
    Wandy Rodriguez-Lefty, wont be available
    Ricky Nolasco-won’t be available
    Chris Young-Possibly

    If possible sign two quality free agent pitchers, then trade minor league pitching, for young athletic position players.

  454. Pokey October 1st, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    GB,
    You’re right as usual. I got my stories mixed up.

  455. Jonathon October 1st, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    Betsy…thanks for fighting the good fight tonight…great posts…

  456. John October 1st, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    Al, I agree

    Looks like Boston is on their way to their 3rd title in 5 years. Who is going to stop them? The Rays? LOL

    What a terrible time to be a Yankee fan. Nothing to look forward to on our team except Joba and our chief rivals are winning title after title.

  457. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 1st, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    “This is a must win for the Angles. You cant count on Beckett still being injured and sucking. The guy has a history of delivering when they need him.”

    Actually unless I misread the stats, it seems that the team that wins game one in the AL doesn’t go on to win the series the majority of the times! (12-14)

  458. Ardvark October 1st, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Jonathan, you mean the delusional fight? Where Cashman has a 25 man homegrown roster and Hughes turns into Bob Gibson?

  459. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 1st, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    How bad are the umpires on the take for the Sux tonight. I swear I would love an MLB internal investigation. However I’m sure MLB is in on it they like having the Sux win every year.

  460. Celerino Sanchez October 1st, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    I’m all for waiting on kids but … once they re-signed A-Rod I think they should have bailed on the kids plan. Regardless of whether Cashman wanted A-Rod or not, he had him. and you might as well go for it while he has a few big years left. What’s the point of spending 30 mil a year on that guy while young pitchers find their way for a couple years? I’d rather if they had let ARod walk but they didn’t. so you have to start from that reality.

  461. patrick max October 2nd, 2008 at 12:00 am

    sox will win. They have a day off tomorrow, papelbon can go 2 innings if need be

  462. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 am

    “Now I’ve heard it all – Kennedy has comparable stuff to Phil?”

    He does. And when you compare, you’re likely to conclude that Kennedy’s stuff is far more ordinary and suspect than Phil’s.

  463. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 am

    papelbon can go 2 innings if need be

    No he can’t.

  464. harwood October 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 am

    “papelbon can go 2 innings if need be”

    Since when does Papelsux do that?

  465. mel October 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 am

    Here’s the page for AFL, Yankees are on the Javelinas team.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/.....league=afl

  466. ray (sox fan) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 am

    Ok, umps make mistakes on both sides. Lowrie’s last strike was pretty clearly a checked swing.

  467. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Jeremy Bonderman – will get killed in AL east
    Zack Grienke – gives up way too many homers
    Andrew Miller – he’s not being traded and will replace Olsen
    Scott Olsen – control issues.
    Matt Cain – the Giants claimed he’s untouchable
    Jake Peavy – he doesnt want to play in the AL
    Aaron Harang – No thank You.
    Wandy Rodriguez – No thank you.
    Ricky Nolasco – nice stuff. so Yes.
    Chris Young – AL experience but better fit in the NL

  468. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 am

    UGH!

    Are you kidding me. What the heck was that

  469. Fire Meachum October 2nd, 2008 at 12:04 am

    Sanchez, you are right.

    You are also doing a disservice to Girardi by rebuilding— now he is the one who is the target of the media hounds and the players disgruntlement.

    With the economy the way it is, nobody is paying the new stadium prices to watch a rebuilding team. If Hal thinks otherwise, he is clueless. And if he thinks NY’ers will get drawn in by a freak show like A-Rod regardless of product, then he should just quit baseball. This is NY, not San Francisco. The product must deliver.

    If Cashman doesn’t do everything he can this off-season, you will start to hear players publicly complain. Girardi and the players have lobbied for changes and Cashman better listen to them.

  470. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:04 am

    I realize it’s a bit early to start warming up my Doomsday Machine but I’m starting to feel like a Sox fan circa 1999.

    Nice catch!

  471. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 12:04 am

    what the hell is Matthew’s problem? he plays good D against the Yanks but bad defense against the Sox?

  472. harwood October 2nd, 2008 at 12:04 am

    Fielding errors in the playoffs are so clutch

  473. ÆŽR (The Final Season) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Like I said,

    Jas*n B*y is MVP.

    S*x lead series 1-0.

    With the Bütt-Wiggler pitching tomorrow, it’s looking like the Angel will get swept.

  474. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Ricky Nolasco-won’t be available

    Yankee Trader –

    incase you didn’t know, the Marlins will hae a fire sale this offseason because 18 out of the 25 men roster will be arbitration eligible for the first time.

  475. NITRO October 2nd, 2008 at 12:07 am

    I really hope Posada and Damon continue to lobby for changes this winter. Jeter needs to join the party publicly too.

  476. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Pedroia looks like a 12 year old boy how does he hit .330.

  477. RalphieD October 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 am

    “what the hell is Matthew’s problem? he plays good D against the Yanks but bad defense against the Sox?”

    He made atleast one HUGE error against the yankees this year..in that 13-9 of whatever..maybe even had another 1

  478. tom October 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 am

    “Joba is our ace. He was our best pitcher when he was healthy. That 1-0 game in Fenway vs. Beckett cemented it.”

    It’s just one game victory,and it couldn’t prove anything.
    Maybe joba is a future ace,but not right now.Forgive me for my honesty.Whether the Joba is a ace or not,it isn’t an emphasis,and we need to think about how to build the whole team stronger and hang together than other teams right now.

  479. harwood October 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 am

    “I really hope Posada and Damon continue to lobby for changes this winter. Jeter needs to join the party publicly too.”

    Jeter will be too busy showing CC his photo album of old girlfriends.

  480. Compton October 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 am

    Will Bay win the NLDS MVP?

  481. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Be good here Oliver

  482. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Nitro, Jeter will never publicly say something like that. It’s not who he is.

  483. X-Mann October 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 am

    I’m bracing for the 3rd Sox title, just so it won’t sting as badly when it actually comes to fruition.

    And now that the Cubs have turned back into the Cubs, its going to be Red Sox-Dodgers.

    What a nightmare, this awful season continues.

  484. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Pokey
    October 1st, 2008 at 11:57 pm
    GB,
    You’re right as usual. I got my stories mixed up.

    ____________________________________________________

    Pokey, I only remember this because I remember an interview back in the 1990s with Mariano and he was talking about Ruben and laughing about Ruben hated baseball and had only played a few games because he was a soccer freak. I remember it because it was one of his first interviews that you could actually understand Mariano.

  485. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Pedroia’s actually 437 years old. Yoda’s great-great nephew once removed.

  486. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Rocky Nolasco is a good young pitcher, but hes still not an Ace.

  487. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 am

    “What a terrible time to be a Yankee fan. Nothing to look forward to on our team except Joba and our chief rivals are winning title after title.”

    Title after title? Two wins in 86 years? I’d say that the Yankees missing the postseason in only the first time in 13 straight seasons is pretty impressive. I’d also say that an 89-73 record with the problems we had all season is also impressive.

    I would totally trust that you are going to see a Yankee team playing with a lot more energy come next season. I would also trust that you are going to see Cashman do what he needs to do to field a worthy team.

  488. Jeff October 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 am

    The Angels bending over for the Red Sox in a crucial spot. What else is new? They are only world beaters against the Yankees.

  489. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Because they have a 1-run lead in Game 1 of the DS…yeah get the trophy ready.

  490. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:12 am

    whew! He got out of it

    Time to get some more runs Angels

  491. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:13 am

    “Pedroia’s actually 437 years old. Yoda’s great-great nephew once removed.”

    lol.

  492. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:14 am

    X-MANN, you’ve written Philly off? I would say that’s a mistake.

  493. Scorpio October 2nd, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Jonathon, I’m with you. Why bother playing the game? why not just hand over the rings to the Red Sox. Sheesh, it’s game 1 people.

  494. no.27 October 2nd, 2008 at 12:15 am

    I think Jeter should promise to let CC and Tex be his wingmen… they’d come here for practically nothing.

  495. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:15 am

    The sad fact is that every other team craps their pants when the Sux are in town. The only team that can legitimately play the Sux and not be scared to death while doing so is the Yankees, we are sorta like their kryptonite.

  496. ray (sox fan) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Bronx Jeers
    October 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 am
    “Pedroia’s actually 437 years old. Yoda’s great-great nephew once removed”

    Bronx Jeers, that is harsh……but very funny I must admit!

  497. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:15 am

    “Because they have a 1-run lead in Game 1 of the DS…yeah get the trophy ready.”

    Jonathon I’m you. I’m embarassed to hear Yankee fans whimpering over a one-run lead in the first game of the DS.

    Wow.

  498. Forntoso October 2nd, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Thank god for football. Postseason is turning into a disaster and hot stove is shaping up to be a huge disappointment.

  499. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:16 am

    * with you

  500. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Pedroia’s actually 437 years old. Yoda’s great-great nephew once removed.

    Pedroia’s a Scientologist?

  501. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Craig Sager-that outfit=vomit

  502. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 am

    “The sad fact is that every other team craps their pants when the Sux are in town.”

    Tell that to the Rays!

  503. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 am

    S.A. — funny :)

  504. harwood October 2nd, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Get a hit Figgins

  505. E-Rod October 2nd, 2008 at 12:20 am

    Dice-K is lights out.

    He will walk 5, strikeout 10 in 7 innings of shutout ball with 2 hits.

    Joe Saunders in Fenway against Beckett? Lackey in Fenway in an elimination game?

    The Angels had to have this game.

  506. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:21 am

    I feel like I’m listening to an ESPN broadcast. These guys are smooching so hard its painful.

  507. ray (sox fan) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:21 am

    trisha – BRING BOBBY BACK!
    October 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 am
    “The sad fact is that every other team craps their pants when the Sux are in town.”

    Tell that to the Rays!”

    This is one time I actually agree with trisha, Tampa Bay has played Boston very tough this year!

  508. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:21 am

    So this will be what? 9 in a row over the Angels in the playoffs? Wow, just awful.

  509. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Where is the Chone Figgins that shows up against us?

  510. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Anyone oppose the idea of having…

    Alfredo Amezaga for utitlty player? He could play the outfield and the infield (played 6 games at 1B though). Although he’s going to be 31, but he’s fast, athletic, and plays good defense and decent bat. Betemit seriously needs to be gone from the team.

  511. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:23 am

    “Dice-K is lights out.”

    Didn’t we just beat him?

  512. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 12:23 am

    When we beat the crap out of the Angels next year, thinking optimistially, it is going to feel soooooo good.

  513. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Pedroia does not have the wit or wisdom of a Yoda progeny. He’s more like a tree stump that came to life. Is his father’s name Geppetto?

  514. Clint October 2nd, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Al,

    Looks like Favre is all we have to look forward to this fall/winter. The conclusion of this baseball season is shaping up to be painful. And Cashman will get conservative in the FA market as usual.

    Favre and the Knicks. :)

  515. R-Tek October 2nd, 2008 at 12:24 am

    10 in a row against the Angels if they win tonight.

  516. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:24 am

    The Angels need to win this game. I’m sorry but if they lose this how do they climb back? They look terrible at the plate.

  517. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:24 am

    Boy do the Red Sox regret trading Lester when he struggled his 1st two years in the league, then had all the health issues…

    oh wait…they didn’t…they were patient with a 22-year old kid while he learned how to become a major league pitcher.

  518. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:24 am

    I’m not going to say the Sox are winning “title after title” but the whole “1918″ – 86 years of futility and pain thing is pretty much dead in my estimation. It just doesn’t have the same power anymore and resorting to it it smells of desperation.

    The “2000″ signs at Fenway are also just beyond ridiculous. It’s like come on guys, you’re part of the club now so you might as well act like you belong.

  519. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Hey didn’t the Phils just win their first postseason game in forever? This game isn’t over yet and the series isn’t over yet.

  520. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Lester is pitching great today.

    Patience paying off for the red sox

  521. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:28 am

    “Boy do the Red Sox regret trading Lester when he struggled his 1st two years in the league, then had all the health issues…

    oh wait…they didn’t…they were patient with a 22-year old kid while he learned how to become a major league pitcher.”

    Phil never had to overcome cancer. Also they never seriously considered trading him they only dangled him to interfere with the Yankees/Santana.

  522. Sea Net October 2nd, 2008 at 12:28 am

    Sox have a lights out rotation.

    We need an ace to contend with it.

  523. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:28 am

    “It just doesn’t have the same power anymore and resorting to it it smells of desperation.”

    Only if that’s the way you feel about it. I happen to totally think of them that way so with me desperation is the last thing it is.

    But I don’t have the reverence for the Sux that some of you do so that’s no surprise. You can think of them any way you want to and need to, and their two wins in 86 years can represent anything you think it does. But it doesn’t have to strike me the same way.

  524. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:29 am

    youk is lookin extra fugly for primetime.

  525. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:30 am

    The sox will win this series if the Angels don’t come back in this game.

    Losing this game sets them up perfectly. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them sweep now.

    And that’s more than just an annoyed Yankee fan talking.

    The matchups won’t favor the Angels anymore.

  526. NITRO October 2nd, 2008 at 12:30 am

    trisha – I commend you on your positivity, but with the way the Sox franchise has propelled to the elite since 2004 to a Dynasty Yankees level, I have no confidence they will falter. It’s come to the point where I don’t care anymore. They are the model franchise, I expect them to win now.

  527. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:30 am

    B8 will be the key inning for the Angels…Lester out of the game…if the Red Sox have an achilles heel it’s their middle relief…

    If the Angels are going to win this game…they will have to threaten in the Btm of 8

  528. mel October 2nd, 2008 at 12:31 am

    Green Beret,

    Lineups are up for HWB. Sublett’s playing 2nd base.

    Here’s the Gameday link: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....n_waiwin_1

    Audio link on the blog.

  529. John October 2nd, 2008 at 12:31 am

    Youkallis is so ugly, so is Papelbon.

    Thank god we have Nady, atleast he is somewhat sexy

  530. E-Rod October 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 am

    So did Romine go to Hawaii just to vacation? He hasn’t played since Sunday.

  531. harwood October 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 am

    “has propelled to the elite since 2004 to a Dynasty Yankees level”

    Wild card is a dynasty team now?

  532. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Yeah…the Red Sox miss Manny

  533. Rich October 2nd, 2008 at 12:33 am

    “the Red Sox have an achilles heel it’s their middle relief…”

    um.. 8th inning is not middle relief.

  534. Tank October 2nd, 2008 at 12:34 am

    This day is so depressing. Atleast the Phillies won.

  535. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2008 at 12:34 am

    They don’t bash Matthews Jr. with their little thundersticks? Booooo.

  536. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Sox rotation is not lights out, not by a long shot.

    Lester is a legitimate ML pitcher.

    Daisuke’s 18-3 record doesn’t tell you about his high walk rates and low innings-per-games total–it will catch up to him unless he decides to retire at the end of this year.

    Beckett had a great year last year but struggled mightily this year, and IIRC, was injured both in 06 and 08.

    Wakefield is a ? to return next year.

    Paul Byrd is a solid starter, but by no means an ace.

    I’m not saying the Yankees rotation is any better–certainly, ending the season with Pavano and Ponson tells you all you need to know–but I’m saying that the Red Sox rotation isn’t perfect.

  537. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:34 am

    NITRO, if they pull off 13 straight postseasons and 4 world series titles in 6 years then you can start talking about them in terms of some kind of dynasty level.

    Don’t forget how they tanked in 2006.

    Nobody will ever convince me they are anything but a flash in the pan.

    But that’s okay. I think it’s okay for people to perceive them whatever way they do.

  538. Tank October 2nd, 2008 at 12:34 am

    And they bring in Shields, the Sox punching bag. Smart move. Oliver was mowing them down.

  539. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:35 am

    um…the bullpen pitchers that throw between the starter and the closer are middle relief…uhm….

  540. Rich October 2nd, 2008 at 12:35 am

    “Wild card is a dynasty team now?”

    you do remember that the red sox won the divison and the WS last season, right?

  541. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Wait, Paul Byrd is not an ace?

  542. Jim in CT October 2nd, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Sox have a lights out rotation.

    Huh?

    Lester — OK, has become an ace.
    Beckett — Depends which Beckett shows up any given day.
    Dice-K — Walk-the-bases-loaded DiceK? Eyes wide shut.
    Wakefield ???
    Byrd ???
    Buchholz ???

    Come on in off the ledge.

    But don’t trade for Greinke. NYC would destroy him. He’s making it on psych meds pitching in the pressure cooker of Kansas City.

  543. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Ugh I can’t believe I bothered to stay up and watch this.

  544. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:36 am

    “you do remember that the red sox won the divison and the WS last season, right?”

    So that makes them a dynasty team?

  545. Rich October 2nd, 2008 at 12:37 am

    “um…the bullpen pitchers that throw between the starter and the closer are middle relief…uhm….”

    wrong db- 7 and 8 are set up men. was joba a middle reliever?

  546. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:37 am

    See people point out Dice-K’s walks. And your right.

    But then you have to remember that the Angels see the fewest pitches of any team. They’re free swingers.

    How does that not line up perfectly for the Sox?

    The Angels have to win this game, or they’re more than likely done.

  547. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Rebecca et al, thank you for setting the record straight on the Sux devastating rotation…

  548. Jim in CT October 2nd, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Rebecca faster and better blog babe.

  549. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:38 am

    whatever dude…

  550. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Dman, no matter what happens in this particular series, there are two more difficult series that follow before anyone is annointed.

  551. Jack Daniels October 2nd, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Funny trying to watch people rationalize how the Sox are not the model franchise in the sport.

    If they win this year, they would have won 3 titles in 5 years. They have a team full of gamers and winning players. They have the best postseason pitcher since Gibson. They have a top notch FO and farm. They have guts and their fanbase has overtaken ours in size. Did you happen to hear the Lets go Sox chants when Veras and Robertson were in the process of giving up 8 runs to them last month?

    A flash in the pan? Are you kidding me? What signs has Cashman shown us that he knows how to rebuild this team? What is there to get excited about?

    It makes you people sound bitter and petty. Accept what the Sox have become, a powerhouse.

  552. Rich October 2nd, 2008 at 12:39 am

    “Dice-K — Walk-the-bases-loaded DiceK? Eyes wide shut.”

    no . the 2.9 era, .211 BAA guy

  553. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 am

    C’mon Tex work that walk

  554. ray (sox fan) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 am

    I think Rebecca’s evaluation of the Sox starting rotation is accurate.

    In spite of their records I feel more confident when Lester is pitching than when Dice-K is on the mound. Dice-K nibbles on the plate way too much for my taste and this contributes to the high number of walks.

    Certainly Beckett has not been the dominant pitcher this year that he was last year. It remains to be seen how he will do this year in the playoffs assuming he pitches.

    Wakefield can be near unhittable one night, and a candidate to pitch for the home run derby another night.

    Byrd has been a good pick up for the Sox, but clearly the Sox are not counting on him for the future.

  555. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Wow…what a play!!!

  556. Rich October 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 am

    “whatever dude…”

    aka- you are wrong

  557. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Darn. what a play

  558. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Catches like that tell you the Sox will not lose this game or this series.

    I just can’t believe how many times the Angels have rolled over for this team.

  559. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:41 am

    That looked like vintage Damon. Maybe his KC days.

  560. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Big Daddy Vlady…Let go Halos!

  561. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:42 am

    They’ve gotten guys on all night. They have to get him home here!

  562. Scorpio October 2nd, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Come on Torii, justify your contract right now!

  563. harwood October 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 am

    ha ha rally monkey vendor

  564. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Oh brother

  565. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Stupid…stupid…stupid

  566. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Hah, figures.

  567. X-Mann October 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 am

    As if the Rays will ever beat the Sox. And which team from the NL can matchup with them? They will ANNIHILATE the Phillies pitching. Lidge and their pen will never protect leads against them. Ditto Cubs.

    Dodgers might stand a chance against them, but that would be 1 B as far as disasters go. So Torre wins a ring at the Sox expense. Sox fans probably won’t even care they will use it as an opportunity to rub it in our face.

  568. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 am

    LOL Vlad WTF

  569. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 am

    does Vlad knows he cant run?

  570. harwood October 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 am

    are you kidding vlad????

  571. Scorpio October 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 am

    what a stupid move by vlad

  572. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 am

    I know the Angels are all about taking the extra base but Vlad has to look over his shoulder to see where the play is behind him…

  573. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Was Vlad running there becaus I didn’t recognize that as a human style of movement

  574. ray (sox fan) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 am

    I guess we won’t consider Vlady a base stealing threat!

  575. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 am

    That might be your ballgame…yikes

  576. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:45 am

    That was Abreu-like baserunning…

  577. steve October 2nd, 2008 at 12:45 am

    plays like that are why the sox have the mystique and aura that we once had. thats why they will win

  578. Scorpio October 2nd, 2008 at 12:45 am

    i will never make fun of giambi’s running again.

  579. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Vlad running like he’s piggybacking Giambi!

  580. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Vladdy crying in dug-out as he should be.

  581. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:46 am

    He wasn’t even to second base when Youk picked up the ball. Wow Vlad. Wow.

  582. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Iy was a pretty sharp play by Youk too.

  583. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:47 am

    That not mystique and aura…that’s dumb baserunning

  584. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Al from BK-

    I think that was sweat.

  585. harwood October 2nd, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Angels are playing the way I imagined the Rays would. This is awful.

  586. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:48 am

    “plays like that are why the sox have the mystique and aura that we once had. thats why they will win”

    Actually I don’t think mystique and aura refer to mistakes made by the other team. Vlad just flat out should not have been trying to take third.

  587. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 2nd, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Watching Vlad run in that inning nearly reminded me of Timo Perez

  588. LLIME October 2nd, 2008 at 12:49 am

    For people killing George for Sheffield over Vlad, maybe he made the right choice.

    Vlad has NEVER hit in the postseason he would have been ripped to shreds in NY.

  589. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:50 am

    Its luck that decides these kinds of games.

    Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.

    The Sox have been getting all the breaks for a few years now.

    It comes and goes.

    Right now, it’s in their pocket.

  590. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:50 am

    I think im done watching this years playoffs.

  591. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2008 at 12:50 am

    mel
    October 2nd, 2008 at 12:31 am
    Green Beret,

    Lineups are up for HWB. Sublett’s playing 2nd base.

    Here’s the Gameday link: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....n_waiwin_1

    Audio link on the blog.

    ____________________________________________________________

    Thanks for the link, Mel. Much appreciated.

    I’m hoping he can get it back together, because the injuries this year really derailed him. He was great in Staten Island last year.

  592. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 12:50 am

    Ray: thanks :) Glad to hear I got it right!

    I’m not saying the Red Sox aren’t a good team. They are. They’ve got pitchers that can give them innings when they need it and hitters that make it work, and even carry Varitek’s bat along for the ride.

    It’s not as though the Dynasty Yankees were without their weaknesses.

    Boston’s got a great manager and over the past few years they’ve had a great run–two WS in four years isn’t a bad thing. I bet most of you would sign on for that from the Yankees.

    Are they a dynasty? I’m not sure.

    They remind me a lot of the Devils, between 2000-2003. Always good, always competitive–not always the best, but if you were to model your franchise after them there would be no shame in that.

  593. R-Tek October 2nd, 2008 at 12:51 am

    I cannot bear to watch any postseason baseball, this is too depressing.

    I will watch the Vice Presidential debate tomorrow night.

  594. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:52 am

    “Its luck that decides these kinds of games.

    Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.

    The Sox have been getting all the breaks for a few years now.

    It comes and goes.

    Right now, it’s in their pocket.”

    Now I can agree with that.

  595. vtred October 2nd, 2008 at 12:53 am

    White Sox will go all the way

    Griffey and Thome will not be denied the ring

  596. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:53 am

    Why can’t this team beat the sox? It’s amazing.

  597. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:54 am

    “It’s not as though the Dynasty Yankees were without their weaknesses.”

    I’m hard-pressed to think of any Rebecca. They had offense, they had defense, and they had pitching. And they stole bases. Am I missing something?

  598. Rich October 2nd, 2008 at 12:54 am

    “Its luck that decides these kinds of games.

    Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.

    The Sox have been getting all the breaks for a few years now. ”

    huh? if they had all the luck youks foul wouldve been 6 inches to the right for a hr or lowries check wouldnt have been a K.

  599. mel October 2nd, 2008 at 12:54 am

    I thought that Scoscia was the world’s best manager?

    Why wouldn’t you pinch run for Vlady?

    That cost them the game.

    Not because of baserunning blunder, because you pinch run the DH when he gets on in the 8th. Duh.

  600. harwood October 2nd, 2008 at 12:55 am

    Hopefully Papelbomb still has his last appearance on his mind.

  601. ray (sox fan) October 2nd, 2008 at 12:55 am

    Rebecca,

    I make no claim to be an expert but thanks.

    On a different note, I asked you about Broadway shows a little while ago.

    Just spent a couple days in New York City and saw Spring Awakening, and liked it.

  602. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:55 am

    Rebecca-

    If they win, they will be heralded as a dynasty. It’ll be all over the papers here and you’ll hear that word on ESPN.

    It might be debated, but that’s the tag they’ll get.

  603. vtred October 2nd, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Why do they continue to pitch Shields against the Sox? Are they trying to make the lead insurmountable?

  604. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Poor Tek. The next forgotten son of Red Sox Nation.

  605. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Mel-

    Awesome point.

  606. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Ray: Have only heard good things about Spring Awakening. Glad you enjoyed it!

    DMan–I don’t deny you’re right about that. It’ll suck, but it’ll feel that much better when we beat them :-D

  607. dan 771 October 2nd, 2008 at 12:57 am

    guys relax

    brian cashman will sign dempster this offseason and give the big g a 1 yr/$8 mil dollar deal to play 1st next year !

  608. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and save Robbie Cano! October 2nd, 2008 at 12:58 am

    oh come on

  609. Rich October 2nd, 2008 at 12:58 am

    “Poor Tek. The next forgotten son of Red Sox Nation.”

    youre absolutely right. he should be rewarded for his past contributions and given a 10 year contract so the team can amass an historical payroll and miss the playoffs.

  610. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 12:58 am

    Is that Boras watching the game behind HP? Out counting his meal-tickets…

  611. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 2nd, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Well this game is over. It just show how the sluggers choke in big spots, Teix has done really nothing in game 1. Props to Boston.

  612. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Seeing Boras in the background during this game is just another kick to the groin.

  613. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 12:59 am

    I wish it was just me being bitter about the sox winning…

    But this series is over. They had to win tonight.

  614. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Don’t give up hope if this game fails. You just heard the syncophants saying that Santana and Saunders are all star pitchers.

    :)

  615. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Killer-instinct in the Sox coming out right now…kicking a team when they are down

  616. Tank October 2nd, 2008 at 1:00 am

    And thats the ballgame.

    Great Job, Scoscia.

    How many more times do you need to see Shields tatooed before you stop pitching him against this team? What the hell are you saving Arredondo for?

  617. Wilson October 2nd, 2008 at 1:02 am

    God, I’m so jealous of this team.

    This is why you need to build a TEAM not a collection of Vets/Paychecks. See how much killer instinct these teams in the postseason have? Look at the Phillies and Sox over the last couple of years, Dodgers this year, we don;t have that.

    Let Cashman rebuild, we will be better for it.

  618. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Well let me say this. No team likes to lose at home, especially during the first game of the postseason. I would expect the Angels to come out with a vengeance their next game, maybe even attempt to steal some bases.

    That is, if they don’t come back in the bottom of the 9th.

  619. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:05 am

    time to get Shields out.

  620. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 1:05 am

    And the game went from ‘close and exciting’ to ‘I’m only watching so I can practice my Spanish’

  621. Alfred E. Kennedy October 2nd, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Alfred has just released a statement saying that it is not too big of a loss for the Angels he thought they played a great ballgame. He said Shields threw the ball great and Vlad looked great running the bases. He isin’t too upset and saw a lot of positives tonight and will try to emulate this performance tomorrow.

  622. harwood October 2nd, 2008 at 1:06 am

    “Well this game is over. It just show how the sluggers choke in big spots, Teix has done really nothing in game 1. Props to Boston.”

    He’s 2 for 4 and would be 3 if not for elsbury making a great catch.

  623. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 1:06 am

    The only lefty the Angels have in the BP is Oliver?

    Poor planning there.

  624. E-Rod October 2nd, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Scoscia leaving his SU man out to dry down by 3 runs. Does Scoscia forget to manage against the Sox too? His players clearly forget how to play against them.

  625. vtred October 2nd, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Now he brings in Aredondo? He should have been in there to begin with! He is better than Shields.

  626. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Is the Red Sox World Series victory parade tomorrow or something? Yeesh.

  627. John October 2nd, 2008 at 1:09 am

    why didnt krod just begin that inning, he is better than sheilds AND there is a day off tomorrow. doesn’t make much sense to me

  628. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 1:09 am

    And I would say that’s likely the game!

    And I just might have to acknowlege that the Sux own the Angels. It happens. Just like the Angels always owned us.

    But the Sux DON’T own the Rays, and I’m not sure they own the White Sox.

  629. mel October 2nd, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Terrible, terrible story about Burgos of the Mets. Gutless pig.

  630. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Any other time of the year we’re giving our right arm and right leg for the Angels to play like this against us…

    …but today, of course, we want them to win.

    Oh, I love Irony.

  631. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 1:11 am

    “Alfred has just released a statement saying that it is not too big of a loss for the Angels he thought they played a great ballgame. He said Shields threw the ball great and Vlad looked great running the bases. He isin’t too upset and saw a lot of positives tonight and will try to emulate this performance tomorrow.”

    :D

  632. Sea Net October 2nd, 2008 at 1:11 am

    Another negative of the Angels losing–

    Now they will go HARD after CC and Tex. This was supposed to be their year and they failed. And if the Dodgers go far, that holds even more true. Moreno isin’t going to watch his team get eliminated in the 1st round by this team year after year when he is printing money. He is going to get himself an ace.

  633. Sea Net October 2nd, 2008 at 1:12 am

    Alfred,

    I can;t stop laughing. I just had a split shot of Kennedy and the Mad Magazine guy in my head.

  634. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Caution! Paps,Tek and Boras in the same shot could be harmful to one’s health.

  635. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Ray (Boston Fan), has there been any reports on Wakefield about why he would ask for the ball after his last inning against the Yanks on Sunday? The only goal/target that I can see was that it was his 400th career start.

  636. no.27 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Here’s something I haven’t read anyone talking about:

    The Mariners are considering nontendering Bedard because of his injury problems. Could the Yankees sign him to one of those 2 year deals like they did with Lieber a while back? Seems like the type of low risk/high reward move that can’t really go wrong.

    By the way, it would be great to see Paplebon blow this lead.

  637. Dave D October 2nd, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Alfred-
    Did Kennedy say “What? Me Worry?” when a reporter asked him if he is worried about his poor performance?

  638. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 1:14 am

    It’s going to be terrible to have to listen to all this again here in boston…

    but i really hope the angels and their fans give it to this team after they lose. What is this? 9 playoff game loses in a row? or is it 10?

    Seriously?

  639. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 1:15 am

    mel: What happened, re: Burgos?

  640. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:15 am

    was that guy Brandon Webb? if not then he certainly does look like him.

  641. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 1:15 am

    Scoscia is going to have to find a way to wake his guys up.

    Betcha he does it next game.

  642. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:16 am

    Rebecca –

    Burgos killed 2 women while he was driving in DR. A hit & run.

  643. ray (sox fan) October 2nd, 2008 at 1:16 am

    Hey GB7

    I too was intrigued by Wakefield asking for the ball.

    I am surprised that I haven’t seen a word about that. So unfortunately I have no inside scoop on that.

  644. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2008 at 1:16 am

    GB: because he wanted to get a game ball signed by both Melky and Brett.

  645. mel October 2nd, 2008 at 1:17 am

    Okay, seeing that rally monkey video is giving me terrible ideas. Think “Faces of Death”.

  646. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 1:18 am

    Ed: Yuck! That’s awful!

  647. Dave D October 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 am

    Papelbon has yet to allow a run against the Angels in his career.

  648. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Dave D – this would be a good time to start!

    :)

  649. Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)..."Keep Manny away !" October 2nd, 2008 at 1:20 am

    He’s 2 for 4 and would be 3 if not for elsbury making a great catch.

    You can say the same crap for alot of players in the ML that go for 0 fers, he’s done nothing tonight, gee a couple of singles and that makes him a spectacular playoff performer. Color me unimpressed, the lights are on and Teix right now is not standing out.

  650. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Mel –

    only the Yankees have a Rocky and 300 movie themes. at least its better than a rally monkey.

  651. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Burgos for Bannister. And we complain about Farnsworth for Pudge.

  652. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 am

    I would be surprised if the Angels score more than 3 runs total this entire series.

  653. Jonathon October 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 am

    The Curse of the Hendu continues…

    Oh well…they’ll get’em next time (hopefully)

  654. Doubba-Ya B October 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 am

    We are the World Champions! HEAR US ROAR!!!

    Red Sox 4
    Ankles 1

    Home field advantage: Ours

    Texiera looked great! I hope you get him next year!!

    We own everybody in the playoffs. Doesn’t matter who it is!

  655. Jim in CT October 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Vladdy’s face says:
    Red Sox are my daddy.

  656. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Eh, so it’s one game.

    Let’s hope that hayseed Beckett’s strained oblique is still strained.

    :)

    Night all.

  657. no.27 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Beckett is pitching game 3 in Fenway… he’s been terrible there this year, hasn’t he?

  658. John October 2nd, 2008 at 1:22 am

    This Sox team may be the best team I have seen, in any sport.

    If Melky is healthy, they will be impossible to beat. He is the Bob Gibson of our time. He is automatic in the posteason.

  659. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:23 am

    If Melky is healthy, they will be impossible to beat. He is the Bob Gibson of our time. He is automatic in the posteason.

    Melky is healthy. it’s just this season, he stinks.

  660. John October 2nd, 2008 at 1:24 am

    I’m sorry I meant Becket

  661. ray (sox fan) October 2nd, 2008 at 1:24 am

    Doubba Ya-B

    I am embarassed by your arrogance.

  662. DMan October 2nd, 2008 at 1:24 am

    What goes up, must come down eventually.

  663. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 1:25 am

    no 27: Yeah, but at the same time, the more important the game, the better Beckett is.

  664. mel October 2nd, 2008 at 1:26 am

    Couple of things (I’m feeling very mean):

    1. When Paps eats something salty, what the heck does he lick?

    2. Put Jason Bay in a coral colored zuit suit with a fruit tie. Put a remote mic in his hand. Can you see it? Who is it?

  665. no.27 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:26 am

    John,

    We’ll trade ya Melky for Beckett any day.

  666. MARITIME MARKET October 2nd, 2008 at 1:27 am

    Doubba-Ya B your insecurity is showing through your brave words. If you really felt so sure you’d be with other Red Sox fans right now and not searching out a Yankee forum to try to get some assurance.

    You’ll never catch up to the Yankees so it doesn’t matter what you’re doing right now.

  667. Jim in CT October 2nd, 2008 at 1:28 am

    no.27, a year ago that deal would’ve been done for Coco Crisp in a New York minute.

  668. Jim in CT October 2nd, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Doubba-YaB snuck out of bed after Mommy put him down.

  669. MARITIME MARKET October 2nd, 2008 at 1:29 am

    “This Sox team may be the best team I have seen, in any sport.”

    Guess you never got to watch the Yankee teams in the late 90s.

  670. Ardvark October 2nd, 2008 at 1:30 am

    I know I’ll be killed for this, but with all the losing we’ve been doing… Has anyone ever considered becoming a Red Sox fan? Baseball is a bandwagon sport afterall, moreso any of the other 4 spots. Remember all the White Sox hats around 3 years ago?

    So have you ever considered becoming a Sox fan? I haven’t, I’m just wondering though

  671. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 1:33 am

    Everybody relax its cool. It’ll be funnier when the Sux lose to the Rays in the ALCS.

  672. stuart October 2nd, 2008 at 1:33 am

    Losers the Angels have lost 1 game, the whiners on this site are classic.

    Saw Madden the daily news hack on SNY he is clueless. His proposed moves are insane, in his mind the yanks just won 60 games and are 5 years away from being decent..

    How can you write about baseball for 20 years have all the statistics available to you, have the ability to talk to many experts(scouts and GM’s ) when you want and be so stupid?

  673. trisha - BRING BOBBY BACK! October 2nd, 2008 at 1:33 am

    “So have you ever considered becoming a Sox fan? I haven’t, I’m just wondering though”

    Good question there, though I have a feeling that a few of these posters are actually Sux fans pretending to root for the Yankees.

  674. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:34 am

    Ray, it was peculiar because there weren’t any season or career marks set. Surely, it wasn’t because he held the Yanks scoreless for 5 innings, unless it was just his humor showing through.

  675. E-Rod October 2nd, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Lupica is objective compared to Madden, Harper, and Raissman. Raismann, is far and away the biggest clown there is.

  676. Clint October 2nd, 2008 at 1:37 am

    Which is more rare?

    Shields having a 1-2-3 inning against the Sox

    or

    Nugget/Feely making a chip shot FG?

  677. mel October 2nd, 2008 at 1:38 am

    This is really sad, but I wouldn’t cheer for the Sox if they were the last team on earth. Of course that means they’d be playing a split squad, but I’d quit watching baseball.

    I’d watch something awful like MMA or cricket.

  678. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 1:39 am

    This is almost unbelievable. Mets pitcher Ambiorix Burgos wanted for vehicular homicide just a few months after beating girlfriend.

    http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/11004250

  679. t-rock October 2nd, 2008 at 1:40 am

    mel not from Taco Bell tonight?

  680. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:41 am

    Nick in SF
    October 2nd, 2008 at 1:16 am
    GB: because he wanted to get a game ball signed by both Melky and Brett.

    ______________________________________________________

    Because he wanted a baseball signed by two Yankee legends? And he missed Cody Ransom?

  681. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 2nd, 2008 at 1:42 am

    I could never root for Boston. No way.

  682. DYNASTY IS DESTINY! October 2nd, 2008 at 1:46 am

    stuart,

    What were Madden’s proposed moves?

  683. E-Rod October 2nd, 2008 at 1:47 am

    If Sox-Dodgers comes to fruition, I will not watch any sports related programming, listen to any sports talk radio, or read the sports section of any paper until Thanksgiving.

  684. Tank October 2nd, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Dynasty -

    Hughes and Cano for Matt Holliday and sign Hudson were his proposed moves

  685. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 am

    “So have you ever considered becoming a Sox fan?”

    I might if my defection to North Korea falls through.

  686. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 am

    Dynasty is Destiny –

    Damon DH
    Jeter SS
    Texieiera 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Holliday LF
    Posada 1B
    Nady RF
    Hudon 2B
    Dejesus CF
    Zaun C

    …not in any particular order

  687. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:50 am

    that’s the lineup that Madden wants for 2009

  688. Ramon October 2nd, 2008 at 1:51 am

    I’m not even mad anymore, I’ve just come to accept that the Sox are the model franchise and will continue to win and win. They are God’s team for the time being.

  689. X-Mann October 2nd, 2008 at 1:53 am

    That is actually an excellent lineup. As long as we can keep Hughes and trade just one of Cano or Hughes for Holliday, I’d do it.

    Excellent idea from Madden.

  690. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 1:56 am

    “Dynasty -

    Hughes and Cano for Matt Holliday and sign Hudson were his proposed moves”

    Giving up too much 4 Holliday.

  691. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 1:58 am

    who in the right now would replace a 26 year old 2b with a 32 year old one? It’s like replacing Ian Kinsler with Jeff Kent to play 2b.

  692. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 1:59 am

    “Damon DH
    Jeter SS
    Texieiera 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Holliday LF
    Posada 1B
    Nady RF
    Hudon 2B
    Dejesus CF
    Zaun C”

    Pass on Zaun I’d rather have Molinas defense over Zauns slightly better bat.

  693. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 2:03 am

    “who in the right now would replace a 26 year old 2b with a 32 year old one? It’s like replacing Ian Kinsler with Jeff Kent to play 2b.”

    Well if you’re getting Holliday for him then its worth it.

  694. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 2:09 am

    Al –

    well at least Holliday isnt afraid of walls and diving.

  695. Ed - looking foward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 2:10 am

    well im out for the night. talk you tomorrow.

  696. rick October 2nd, 2008 at 2:16 am

    –Any other time of the year we’re giving our right arm and right leg for the Angels to play like this against us…
    …but today, of course, we want them to win.
    Oh, I love Irony.–

    That’s not irony. How can you love something that you don’t understand?

  697. Al from BK( Brett Favre 12 TD's 4 INT in 4 games. CC Sabathia: 17-10, 2.70 ERA, 251 K's-253 IP, 10 CG's 5 Shut-Outs.) October 2nd, 2008 at 2:16 am

    I’m out to Ed bye all.

  698. BB October 2nd, 2008 at 2:42 am

    Babe Ruth was gone.
    Joe Dimaggio was gone.
    Mickey Mantle was gone.
    Where is the new Yankees’s hero?
    When will we see the new Yankees Dynasty’ birth?

  699. no.27 October 2nd, 2008 at 3:12 am

    I disagree with pretty much every single one of Madden’s ideas. I was trying to find a way to send him an email, but couldn’t find his email address. I couldn’t imagine a worse winter than what Madden has suggested.

    1. Trade Hughes and Cano for Holliday-
    I would be very angry if the Yankees traded either guy for Holliday, let alone both. Here’s Holliday’s stats over the last 3 years away from Coor’s Field: .281 BA/.809 OPS/30HRs. He’s 28 years old and will demand a big, long term deal. Good hitting outfielders are a dime a dozen. Nady had a .794 OPS during his time with the Yankees this season. I can’t see how anyone who understands baseball would think bringing in Holliday makes sense, suggesting trading Cano AND Hughes for him is flat out dumb. I haven’t even mentioned the fact that the Yankees currently have 3 corner outfielders on their team, and their best and most ML ready prospect is an outfielder. Or the fact that Phil Hughes is a 22 year old pitcher that has shown flashes of being a dominant ML pitcher. Or the fact that Holliday will be a free agent next year along with Carl Crawford and Jason Bay, all could be had without giving up Hughes OR Cano.

    2. He says signing Teixeira to a $100mil contract would be “foolish”-
    Hey Bill! Holliday is going to want that much next year. The difference between Tex and Holliday is that Tex fills a need at first base and is a much better hitter. He’s had an OPS over .960 the last 2 years and is the same age as Holliday, who has had away OPS of .859 and .891. Tex is also a few months younger than Holliday, a switch hitter, and a gold glover.

    3. Move Posada to 1st Base-
    There is no reason to think Posada would be a good fielder at first base. Posada’s career OPS is .857. Let’s say that he is able to keep that up through his contract (not likely), he would be a below average bat compared to other 1st basemen. As a catcher, he’s 4th in the league, roughly 70 points higher than the 5th best catcher and as a DH that would make him 5th as well. Why waste the advantage the Yankees have with his bat at catcher? He also has CLEARLY said that he does not want to play first base. As long as he is able to catch, he will catch and get at bats as a DH to get rest.

    4. Trade for David DeJesus-
    He’s a weak hitting centerfielder with below average defensive ability. And after trading Hughes, what pitching would you want to trade for him? I’d be more comfortable with Damon and Gardner sharing duties in CF without giving up any prospects.

    5. Sign Derek Lowe-
    He’s going to be 36 next year and has been pitching in the weakest hitting division in baseball. Can you name 5 scary hitters in the NL West that aren’t on the Dodgers? Do you remember his last year in the AL East when he posted a 5.42 ERA? And you admit that the Yankees would have to pay big bucks because he’s a Boras client.

    6. Trade Matsui-
    Matsui has a no trade clause and is coming off multiple knee surgeries. While he’s proven to be a solid bat on the Yankees and had a great start, he wouldn’t fetch much in the way of prospects. He should split time at DH with Posada next season and play some LF.

    7. Sign Oliver Perez over Andy Pettitte-
    Perez is going to command $15mil a year over at least 4 years. Pettitte will come for one year. Pettitte started the season strong and struggled in the 2nd half after pitching with a shoulder injury. Perez has been inconsistent throughout his career. He put up a 4.22 ERA in the NL East compared to Pettitte’s 4.54 ERA in a tougher division with a shoulder injury.

  700. MJR (Shut Up Steve Phillips) October 2nd, 2008 at 3:26 am

    So we have money for CC and Tex right?

    Olney said in Baseball Tonight yesterday that Yanks could make a play for Peavey as well since Padres will be commiting hari kiri in the winter.

    Anyways…do we actually have the cash for 3 Tier 1 players? If Moose doesn’t come back, and Pettite looked shot in 2nd half….do the Yanks break the bank again in 2009? :(

  701. Pete October 2nd, 2008 at 3:31 am

    i would actually take cc over santana. you cant argue weight w/ cc cause he is way more athletic than say colon or wells ever were. santana has already started losing velocity and his devastating changeup wont be so devastating when he turns into jaime moyer. cc is a different type of k pitcher and he has thrown more complete games the past couple years than all the pitchers in baseball put together. i like his old school style of pitching and granted thats a lot of innings but i think he will be able to handle it just like they did back in the day. he may not want to come right now but he can be talked into it. id give him close to santana money.

    rotation options:
    cc and wang would be a formidable 1-2 punch. after them…
    moose – would love to have him back to mentor the young guys. i think he has really figured out how to pitch with his diminished stuff.
    andy – always love to see andy in pinstripes but he just isnt the same anymore, id rather see him retire.
    joba – he belongs here and is the future ace of the rotation
    hughes – unfortunate injury (i think it affected his early starts, who knows when the injury was suffered), people forget that he almost threw a no hitter in his second game too before he hurt his hamstring. he still has the makeup and stuff to be a top of the rotation guy and i think he will have a great bounce back year next year. oh and btw he was the second youngest player in the majors by 2 months last season.
    aceves – dont know the lasting potential but he certainly showed he could pitch in the majors
    coke – hadnt thought of him starting before but its an interesting idea and id certainly give him a shot, worst case he is a good arm out of the pen
    bedard – if he really is going to be non tendered id take a flyer on him, really high reward low risk signing. anyone have a link for that rumor?
    kennedy – trade bait. i love the idea of keeping our prospects and growing from within but i think he is our best bargaining chip since i wouldnt give up on hughes yet.
    FA/trade – want no part of burnett, lowe, greinke, or any of the other guys mentioned not named cc.

    sign tex. he is everything you could want in a 1b. i hate losing the draft picks but we can recoup some of those w/ our arby guys and tex and cc should be worth it.

    i actually like the idea of trading for ichiro and thought of that before i saw what kellerman said but id give up damon and kennedy/horne, not matsui and cano. ichiro is a great improvement over damon in every aspect and im not ready to give up on cano yet. ichiro could play cf if abreu stays (offer arby) or play rf and have gardner play cf (my preference, our own ellsbury).

    only other thing id like to see is upgrading the bench by adding someone like freel from the reds. gritty guy, can play almost any position and can swipe bags. hell give them melky and one of our many young pen arms like albadejo or britton who we dont have a roster spot for.

  702. no.27 October 2nd, 2008 at 4:48 am

    “However, team president Chuck Armstrong was deliberately vague about whether Bedard would be back in 2009. Speaking before the Mariners took a 10-8 win over the Oakland A’s, Armstrong suggested the club might not tender the pitcher another contract.

    “It’s like trying to invest in the stock market,” Armstrong said. “If you make a bad stock pick, you don’t go back and … well, some people do, but you have to teach yourself. You don’t hold on to it hoping it’s going to come back. If it’s a bad one, you move on.”

    It’s been widely assumed the Mariners would tender Bedard a new contract for 2009, which could be worth $7 million to $10 million in arbitration, if he came through surgery healthy enough to pitch in 2009 and perhaps recoup prospects for the team in a midseason trade.”

    “The Mariners could part company with Bedard, who is eligible for free agency after next year, and focus on building a young rotation behind Morrow, Felix Hernandez, Ryan Rowland-Smith and Ryan Feierabend.

    Bedard told reporters last week that an MRI exam had spotted the cyst and a torn labrum. But the team said Friday that other than “a minor labral debridement” — a cleaning up of dead tissue around the area — the labrum and rotator cuff were sound.”

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ari27.html

  703. Mehdi knows that at leastt the BPL will start soon. October 2nd, 2008 at 4:59 am

    No better to place to look at for a blue print than Arsenal FC.

  704. pauly October 2nd, 2008 at 7:11 am

    the other stat-padder, did well last night.

    we don’t need Tex on this team, for 6 years.

  705. The Reviosionist October 2nd, 2008 at 7:27 am

    no 27, I agree. The fact that you wrote that at 3AM scares me but I agree with your analysis of Maddens column. I don’t understand why everyone is in love with Hudson (they also had him playing 2nd for the Mets in their wish list).

    DeJesus, Lowe, Perez, isn’t that what the type of team that the Yanks are trying to get away from.

  706. Gardner_CF_2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 7:44 am

    People seem to forget Cashman helped build the Yankee Dynasty of the mid to late nineties. Fans act like he just came on in 2004 or something. I have the utmost cofidence in Cash. Building a baseball organization is not an exact science. If it was do you the think the Red Sox, Cubs, White Sox and Indians would go almost whole centuries without winning a ring? Sometimes moves work out, sometimes they don’t. But all you can do is put smart people in positions of leadership and let them do what they do.

  707. Jeremy October 2nd, 2008 at 7:56 am

    no.27,

    Thanks for that well-written response to Madden’s deranged article. When a co-worker told me about an article advocating the Yankees trade Hughes and Cano for Holliday, I thought I hadn’t heard him correctly. If we made that offer, the Rockies FO would fall over laughing.

    The rest of the article reads like the dumbest kind of comments on this blog – suggesting trades where half the deal is left blank, like “We should trade Matsui for prospects!!!”

  708. Jeremy October 2nd, 2008 at 7:56 am

    no.27,

    Thanks for that well-written response to Madden’s deranged article. When a co-worker told me about an article advocating the Yankees trade Hughes and Cano for Holliday, I thought I hadn’t heard him correctly. If we made that offer, the Rockies FO would fall over laughing.

    The rest of the article reads like the dumbest kind of comments on this blog – suggesting trades where half the deal is left blank, like “We should trade Matsui for prospects!!!”

  709. Tom October 2nd, 2008 at 8:07 am

    Gardner_CF_2009, Very true. I guess it speaks to the “what have you done for me lately” aspect of Cashman’s job. As GM he’s put together teams that have been to the playoffs 10 times, been to 5 world series, and won 3 of them.

    He’s made some mistakes, but, every GM does (even Theo). It seems some fans/media members are treating Cashman the same way they did Torre by focusing on the negatives and ignoring his accomplishments.

  710. Nick October 2nd, 2008 at 8:10 am

    Even Theo ? He’s had equally as many as any GM in the game. Gagne, Lugo, Matt Clement, and a host of others.

  711. pauly October 2nd, 2008 at 8:21 am

    “Jeremy
    October 2nd, 2008 at 7:56 am
    no.27,
    Thanks for that well-written response to Madden’s deranged article. When a co-worker told me about an article advocating the Yankees trade Hughes and Cano for Holliday, I thought I hadn’t heard him correctly. If we made that offer, the Rockies FO would fall over laughing.”

    I wouldn’t do it. Not an unfair offer to the Rockies.

  712. RER - 98 October 2nd, 2008 at 8:23 am

    Many things go into a GM’s thought process other than sheer numbers before deals are considered. A player’s contract status, age, clubhouse presence, off-field issues, willingness to play in the big stage of New York, and how a player’s family will feel about a move to a new city among others. It’s one big chess game with how a new player affects players around him.
    A GM needs to be a part time lawyer, accountant, and sometime counsellor. Few moves are ever cut and dried.

  713. Tom October 2nd, 2008 at 8:24 am

    Nick, yes that is the point. GMs, even ones who win the series, make awful moves. I choose Theo because the Sox are universally lauded in the media for being the best organization game. He’s had his fair share of stinkers.

    What angers me the most about Theo is how money is never bought up in context to what he does. The Sox are the 2nd richest team in baseball. Yet it’s never mentioned in context with him. Cashman is always judged by the money he has.

  714. Betsy October 2nd, 2008 at 8:26 am

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10022008…ine_131723.htm

    Cashman senses his entire time with the Yankees is now indelibly linked to Carl PavanoCarl Pavano http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.49/t.gif, Kei IgawaKei Igawa http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.49/t.gif, refusing to obtain Johan Santana and missing the 2008 playoffs. He thinks that totally dismisses a valuable role in the dynasty formation as a minor league executive during the Jeter/Pettitte/Rivera incubation, and as assistant GM with a yes-no vote on critical matters such as Roberto Kelly for Paul O’Neill. Mainly, he thinks too many are judging his entire tenure on a few high-profile farm regressions in 2008 and missing these playoffs.
    Prospects need time to gestate, Cashman argues. Pettitte and Rivera both signed in 1990, for example, and did not become major league factors for half a decade. Cashman’s revival effort is just three years old. This is why he agreed to another three, he says, because he has not wavered an iota that his plan will create the bedrock for another dynasty. He knew pain was coming when he said “yes” to Steinbrenner three years ago, when his common sense told him it was time to bail. And that competitive streak has convinced him to stay and fight on.
    He has three years now to prove he actually can get the young pitching right, finish the transition from an aging core to a young, athletic one and reap the farm harvest. All that is at stake is his legacy.
    “There is unfinished business here,” he said. “And I am here to finish that business.”

    *** I can’t believe it, a fair article on Cashman. Apparently the Daily Spews came out with another hack job on Brian (this time Filip Bondy), but they and their attack dogs are off my radar.

    This Yankee off-season has shown me one thing already – that there are very, very few reputable sports writers in this town. Most of them are reactionary hacks. The bolded portion speaks for itself (and so, this is why I don’t believe Phil will be traded). I am just glad that Cash is in fighting trim and defending himself.

  715. Tom October 2nd, 2008 at 8:31 am

    While I’m on the subject of things that anger me here’s another one. The draft order. The yankees finished in 3rd place, but yet, they pick after 2 teams that made the playoffs–LA and MIL.

  716. Betsy October 2nd, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Nick, LOL – good point. I’m not giving up on him to the point I don’t think he’s a major league pitcher, but there is a reason Ian wasn’t recalled once the rosters expanded. Not only did he disappoint performance wise, but his attitude was off-the-charts bad. I don’t think he’s a bad kid, so I hope he can find himself again.

  717. joeg October 2nd, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Another Cashman mistake was not going after Tori Hunter for centerfield when he was available. Now they go into next year looking for a centerfielder when they could have had Hunter just for money.

  718. Doreen October 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 am

    Tom -

    I agree. I think teams not in playoffs should be ordered first by record, then teams making playoffs ordered by their records., when setting up the draft. Doesn’t seem all that difficult.

  719. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 am

    no gm on the planet knows for sure if they are doing the right thing by keeping a hughes,lester,buchholz.
    look at the mcarthy,danks trade and on and on and on.
    cashman did not wan’t to give up 4 prospects and sign santanna to a 7 year deal and you can’t fault him for that when he can just wait and sign a pitcher without losing prospects.

    the red sox were in the exact same position a few years ago when they finished 3rd.they wen’t out and signed a bunch of free agents and kept at least their pitching prospects and it turned them into a dynasty,almost.

    it was mostly free agents that turned it around for them in addition to prospects panning out.they won it again before ells,pedroia,lester contributed.

    the yankees need to sign the right fa pitchers,trade the right prospects to fill their needs while trying to keep their elite pitching prospects like hughes,joba,etc…
    free agency alone won’t fix all the problems but can stabalize their pitching a little.
    cano will be needed to bring in a solid young pitcher.they might have to gamble and use hughes to bring in a center fielder,first baseman or young catcher unless their other prospects can do it.

    i think if they concentrate on pitching and first base they have catching prospects and at least one outfield prospect in ajax.
    they need to do a better job in drafting position players.
    the good thing is that they can trade their minor league pitching surplus to bring in a first baseman and outfielder if needed.

    maybe a blockbuster trade is needed to bring in a few players like a pitcher,centerfielder and first baseman using cano,hughes,etc….

  720. Tom October 2nd, 2008 at 8:42 am

    Doreen, I know. Look at how the NFL does its draft order: the champion picks last then the runner up ect. Instead, MLB bases theirs on regular season order its stupid really.

    Of course the yanks most likley will noy have their first round pick this year—if they sign cc or tex. but still.

  721. Doreen October 2nd, 2008 at 8:45 am

    bru -

    Absolutely – if the Yankees had spent money AND prospects on Santana, that was like two deals for one player. And it would hinder him in making a deal for another player or players if he’s already used his best prospects. If Santana had held on and gone the FA route, no doubt he’d have been a Yankee. Or, if he’d a couple years left on his contract. If the deal was money OR prospects, something gets done. And I’m sure knowing that another quality lefthander in CC Sabathia was more than likely going to be available in FA the following season had at least something to do with the overall decision-making process.

    So this year they have lots of money coming off the books, so he can spend and still be fiscally responsible, AND he still has his chips to fill either the 1B or CF or another pitching need.

    I don’t agree that Cano will be traded, though, UNLESS it’s one of those deals that you’d be a fool to pass up.

  722. Russell NY October 2nd, 2008 at 8:45 am

    “Another Cashman mistake was not going after Tori Hunter for centerfield when he was available.”

    OK Granted he is a good fielder. But the guy is 33, has never hit over .300 in his career (highest was .289 in 2002) and his OBP peaks around .325. He was signed to a 5-year $90 million dollar contract… as Pete would say: for all you guys who went to state school, that’s $18m/year. A 5-year contract that will end when the guy is about 37 for someone who hits around .280? No thanks. Santana makes 21m/year.

  723. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 8:46 am

    The Yanks will not aggressively go after CC this winter:

    The early perception is that the rebuilding will be done without free agent stud CC Sabathia, who many in the organization believe doesn’t want to work in The Bronx. It is more likely the Yankees will chase free agent right-handed pitchers A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe and seeing what the Royals want for right-hander Zack Greinke.

    source: NY Post

  724. Doreen October 2nd, 2008 at 8:46 am

    Tom -

    In a lot of ways, baseball still operates as though there are two leagues, no divisions. They are very slow to change.

  725. Fredo Corleone October 2nd, 2008 at 8:49 am

    “The Sox are the 2nd richest team in baseball. Yet it’s never mentioned in context with him. Cashman is always judged by the money he has.”

    It is sometimes. The two highest payrolls to win a World Series belong to the Boston Red Sox. But it’s an apples and oranges comparison. The Yankees are in a world by themselves when it comes to revenues and payroll. To wit: The 2008 Boston payroll is 4th in MLB. However, their payroll is closer to that of the #24 ranked Minnesota Twins than it is the #1 New York Yankees. In the past 5-6 seasons, Boston’s payroll has not been within $50 million of the Yankees payroll.

    Bottom line is that financially speaking, the two teams are not on a level playing field. Cashman has far more at his disposal than Epstein has. That said, there are any of 20+ teams who are not able to play at the same financial playing field as the Red Sox, but I don’t really think that’s lost on people.

    Finally, I’d suggest to you the biggest reason Cashman, who was the GM for the organization that has the six highest payrolls in MLB history (03-08), is more frequently associated with money/payroll talks is that none of those 6 teams won.

  726. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 8:50 am

    I just want to add if the Grienke were to traded here, he will get kill in the AL east since he gives up alot of home runs..

    Ok I got to head to class now, hopefully I will talk to some of you later on.

  727. OkulaFan67 October 2nd, 2008 at 8:50 am

    To No 27:

    Right on the money with every comment!

    However, Ian Kennedy is just as young as Phil Hughes and Joba. His ceiling is not as high, but it is way too early to give up on him. He may be a good trade chip, but let him have at least a half season in AAA in good health to raise his value. If the rotation is solid at the trading deadline next year, that is the time to trade him.

  728. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 8:52 am

    cashman is not excluding hughes.he realized that until prospects pan out they can’t be relied upon.that is the way it should be.
    you build a team and trade you’re prospects to better you’re team.if you have the luxury like the red sox to keep the kids then you do so.
    you also trade a cano to better you’re pitching staff.

    hughes looked pretty good in his last outing.i hope he doesn’t get traded and turns into a great pitcher,that would hurt.he is 22 yrs old,just a baby learning how to pitch.

    they need to try everything in their power to keep him.he might be knocking at the door.

    the yankees might keep in simple by trading cano for a pitcher,sign a few fa pitchers,sign tex and call it a day while keeping the kids.this might work.

    it addresses the pitching,first base and keeps the kids.kennedy might be moved.

    one thing is for sure they have a very nice,deep bullpen

  729. jennifer October 2nd, 2008 at 8:53 am

    E-Rod
    October 1st, 2008 at 10:34 pm
    Cashman had a lot of praise for Coke today. He singled him out actually and said how much he impressed them and likes having 2 top notch lefties on the roster.

    Fatcessa didn’t ask him about being a starter– I don’t even think Mike knows who Coke is. He stopped following the team after August.

    ______________________

    He thinks it is something you sniff. :lol:

  730. Tom October 2nd, 2008 at 8:53 am

    Cashman seems to like pitchers who are ground ball guys. Wang, John Leiber, Kevin Brown, Lowe, Ross ohlendorf….

  731. Fredo Corleone October 2nd, 2008 at 8:55 am

    “While I’m on the subject of things that anger me here’s another one. The draft order. The yankees finished in 3rd place, but yet, they pick after 2 teams that made the playoffs–LA and MIL.”

    That pendulum swings both ways, Tom. The 2000 Yankees won it all and would have gotten to pick ahead of the Cleveland Indians, who finished with three more wins than the Yankees, yet didn’t qualify for the playoffs.

    Ultimately, the Yankees didn’t pick because they lost the pick as comp for signing Mussina, but rules like that will come around to help you and hurt you over time.

  732. SJ44 October 2nd, 2008 at 9:01 am

    As Russell said, 90 million bucks for a 33 year old OF who is a good, but not great player? No thanks. They were correct to pass on Hunter.

    Its not a matter of the Yankees not going after Sabathia. They are and will do so aggressively.

    However, if he doesn’t want to play in NY, and we don’t know that to be the case, you can’t force him to play.

    You also can’t offer him a 7 year deal to buy his love. That’s dumb baseball business.

    If they can convince to play in NY, that would be great.

    If they can’t, then you have to go to Plan B.

  733. jennifer October 2nd, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Question, why isn’t the NY media frying Jerry. He hid from them that Johan was hurt. But no they take the root of calling Johan a gamer for pitching through it.

  734. jennifer October 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Wront root. :lol: That should be route.

  735. Doreen October 2nd, 2008 at 9:09 am

    jennifer -

    ‘Cause he didn’t lie and say he wasn’t hurt? He just withheld information? :)

    And there was no reason for anyone to think anything was wrong. Johan asked for the ball on 3-days rest. Who’d think his knee hurt? And apparently the knee wasn’t looked at until after the season, though Johan said it was a little sore before his last start.

    I guess it’s all in HOW you disclose the injury, not whether you do or not.

  736. Tom October 2nd, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Fredo, yes I understand that yhe Yankees are in a world by themselves money wise. However, It still gives the redsox an atvantege over every other team in Baseball.

    Do the sox make the manny trade if they are unable to eat his salery?

    Do they aquire Josh Beckett if they can’t take on mike Lowell’s contract. The Rangers could have had him but backed out because they didn’t want Lowell’s contract.

    Are they able to post 50 odd million for dice K? Can the Twins?

    The Redsox have more money than every team in baseball but one and it gives them just about every advantage the yankees have.

  737. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 9:12 am

    Just how is it that the Sox are able to compete $wise with the Yanks in a small city and a crappy little park and the Yanks need a brand new stadium.

    I’m telling you the the excitement of the new stadium is going to be gone lickety split if the Yanks prove to be the same old bunch of softees going through the motions.

    Personally I’m just happy they’re installing drink holders as I’m real tired of kicking my 11 dollar beer over celebrating a home run.

  738. Fredo Corleone October 2nd, 2008 at 9:12 am

    “However, It still gives the redsox an atvantege over every other team in Baseball.”

    Not really. They are on the same plane as the Mets, Cubs, Angels, and Dodgers. And they are a lot closer to that next level down with Philly, Detroit, St. Louis, the White Sox, etc. than they are the Yankees.

  739. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 am

    unless hughes,horne,melancon,kennedy and others turn into good players they need to be traded as long as good young players are received.hughes is the only player i would be affraid to trade.joba of course also.

    they need to trade ajax,kennedy and their other prospects for a first baseman,centerfielder,pitching.until they pan out they are only prospects.trade cano,keep hughes.

  740. SJ44 October 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Everybody has money today. The game, at least until this year, has been flourishing.

    The Marlins and Rays combined made over 50 million in profits in 2007.

    Its all in how you spend it. If you spend it wisely, you put a good product on the field. If you don’t, you fail.

    Money isn’t the great advantage for the Yankees as it was in the past. The only thing it does is allow them to eat their mistakes better than a lot of their competitiors.

    Its about making good decisions. That’s more important than money in baseball nowadays.

  741. SJ44 October 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 am

    They aren’t trading all of the young players because somebody reads a Bill Madden column and goes into a panic.

    They will make deals they believe actually helps the club. As in the Nady/Marte trade for example.

    If you think they are going to trade their entire inventory of young players this off-season because they didn’t make the playoffs, be prepared to be disappointed. Its not going to happen.

    As Cashman said yesterday, he has no qualms about making deals. He isn’t however, going to bankrupt his inventory of prospects to satisfy those who believe the only way the Yankees can win is to have an all star at every position.

  742. jennifer October 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 am

    FYI The Yankees resumed tours! The walls will be bare but you can now walk across the field!! I’m going back!!!

  743. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 9:22 am

    with the yankees bullpen melancon is not needed and can bring something back,if the yankees can trade prospects for a young center fielder ajax is not needed.do not fall in love with prospects.we saw how that turned out.melancon,ajax,kennedy for a center fielder,cano for a pitcher like billingsley,sign a few fa pitchers,sign tex.

  744. Tom October 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Fredo,
    The sox and the Yankees are the only two teams that can dole out big money on the international stage–posting fees. Overpay the slot in the draft and use their finacial resorces to over come poor signings ect. Most teams have budgets. If the twins had made poor signings like Lugo 8 million or Schillings 8 million, or Clements they would be hamstrung. The Money covers up an awful lot of mistakes and allows the sox advanteges that those teams don’t have.

  745. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 am

    SJ44 :
    that trade might hurt them.

    those prospects could have been used for a centerfielder,first baseman,pitching.
    their bullpen was good enough without marte,nady no big deal.

    the kids they traded should have been used for real needs.

    cashman made the mistake of thinking the team was close and this would put them over the top.

  746. Brian (Red Sox fan) October 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Tom,

    You do bring up an interesting point about the Sox being willing to “eat” salaries (Renteria, Manny and the Lowell/Beckett trade come to mind. Even the Mariners were willing to release Sexson (and eat his salary). The Sox will eat salaries, but not because they are so “rich,” but to “cut bait” (Renteria), or add a key piece (Beckett).

    I can’t recall the Yankees ever eating a salary. The closest is Igawa, who was so inept that they banished him to the minors. But, as a rule, the Yankees doggedly hang on to bad contracts, hoping for an unlikely reversal of predicatable declines. So, they clog their roster with deadwood and redundancies, when it isn’t absolutely necessary that they do so.

    And I’m not even adddressing the absolute refusal to be “sellers” at the trade deadline, moving veterans for prospects.

  747. SJ44 October 2nd, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Wrong. Melancon is needed.

    He’s the best bullpen prospect in baseball.

    You never depend on bullpens succeeding with the same guys from year to year.

    Last year, the Indians had a lights out bullpen with Perez and Bentancourt. How did they do this year? Both guys were awful.

    Bullpen success fluctuates from year to year.

    Mark Melancon is a Joba-like prospect. He probably is the heir apparent to Mo as the future closer of the team.

    Those guys don’t grow on trees.

    Its more likely he is the 8th inning guy next year than traded to another team this off-season.

  748. Doreen October 2nd, 2008 at 9:28 am

    bru -

    But as of now, Melancon is being talked about as a possible replacement for Mo when he retires. I don’t think that’s the guy you trade.

    What people seem to be talking about doing is what got the Yankees into this mess in the first place – trading away almost all their top prospects leaving their farm system bereft of any talent usable to their own club.

    It’s got to be about balance and about packaging your prospects wisely.

    Of course you don’t want to blindly overvalue your prospects, but you also cannot undervalue them. And why, oh why, is it that for Yankees fans, it’s either the prospects are untouchable or garbage, with no in-between and no allowances made for giving players time to develop?

  749. Doreen October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 am

    i thought the Marte/Nady trade was a good one. It looked toward the future, it only gave up one prospect that might give you pause (Tabata), it gave the Yankees a lefty in the bullpen and a solid right-handed bat. At the time the trade was made, the Yankees were still in the hunt.

  750. Tom October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 am

    I remember reading/hearing a while back that the new yankee stadium would force baseball into enforcing a salery cap. It had something to do with the fact the Yankees owned the stadium or something to that affect.
    It was something to do with Luxury tax payments…

  751. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 am

    olendorf,tabata,karsens and whoever else was in that deal had nice value as we saw.
    even if they were used for a good young centerfielder alone it would take a lot of pressure off of having to trade hughes,cano and others to fix the mess.
    if we had gotten only a centerfielder we would only have to concentrate on pitching and first base.
    we could sign tex,a few fa pitchers and trade cano for a good young pitcher and be right back in it.
    now we still have 3 major problems,pitching,centerfield,first base.

  752. Doreen October 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 am

    When I say it looked toward the future, it got the Yankees two players that would/could figure in their 2009 team, anticipating the possible exit of Abreu.

  753. Fredo Corleone October 2nd, 2008 at 9:37 am

    “The sox and the Yankees are the only two teams that can dole out big money on the international stage–posting fees”

    Mets put up more than the Yankees on Matsuzaka. Further, they could pay over slot on draft picks but choose not to. BTW, Detroit is another team who will pay over slot.

  754. Tom October 2nd, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Brian (Red Sox fan), your right the yankees don’t eat saleries. There was talk of them letting giambi go a while back. I guess they “eat” them by paying their salery when they trade off there mistakes: Wright, or, they will “eat” the salery of a Randy Johnson, or Abreu, Alex via trade. Their m.o. is add instead of eat.

    Good point on Renteria. The sox are/where paying his contract even though it does not count against their payroll.

  755. Doreen October 2nd, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Tom -

    It’s revenue sharing where they’ll save money:

    From Sports Business News, August 2006:

    http://sportsbiznews.blogspot......ks_24.html

    The current MLB collective bargaining agreement allows teams to deduct stadium operations expenses including construction costs from the revenues eligible to be shared with low revenue teams. In simpler terms, the Yankees will be able to take the tens of millions of dollars they where giving to other MLB franchises through revenue sharing and use that money to help offset the estimated $1 billion it will cost to build the new Yankee Stadium.

  756. SJ44 October 2nd, 2008 at 9:41 am

    The trade was fine. They were right in the race and that’s a deal that has no long term effect on the Yankees.

    Plus, both guys are solid players. Not stars but, good players who helped the team. If both are back, they will the team next year.

  757. Fredo Corleone October 2nd, 2008 at 9:44 am

    “Good point on Renteria. The sox are/where paying his contract even though it does not count against their payroll”

    Sadly, Boston was let off the hook for the last $3M when Detroit didn’t pick up Renteria’s option the other day. Still they did pay somewhere around $8M for him over the past three years.

  758. Tom October 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 am

    Doreen, Thanks. It should be interesting to see how this effects teams who rely on Yankee money to sign players.

    I have to go teach a class on william blake now….have a good day people.

  759. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 am

    fair enough but if we use the prospects to bring in the right young players i don’t see a problem.

    we lost 4 or 5 players for nady and marte and nobody is angry when they should have been used for a permanent solution.

    prospects are only prospects until they prove otherwise.most of them do not make it and the ones that do are usually not great.just be carefull and not fall in love with the hype that’s all.
    i would have much rather of traded tabata and the others for a permanent solution at first base or center field than for marte or nady.
    nady will be another abraeu contract wise but not as good numbers wise and marte did nothing at all for the bullpen.

    it is about building the right team at all costs and free agency does not produce good young players,trades and drafting do.drafting alone will not do it but trades alone won’t.

    until melancon becomes mo’s replacement i wouldn’t put my hopes into him.

    if the yankees had a good enough team i would be all for keeping all of the kids.

    i was guilty of falling in love with the kids and took a lot of grief at work from another yankee faqn about it.

    the red sox traded hanley for becket and it worked out well for them.

    i understand about being carefull not to trade the whole farm system but we also have to be carefull and not keep them all while their trade value declines.

  760. randy l October 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 am

    love that happy smiling face of brian cashman.
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    until he looks in the mirror, the yankees will continue to flounder.
    he appears to be in total denial about his role in the lack of a program for the yankees that would make a ten year run.

    there is no yankee way.
    have the yankees come up with a player even as good as lowrie to plug a hole the way the red sox have?
    young yankees regress the longer they are in the system.

    if the yankee minor league system were selling stock , would anyone but it?
    so far cashman is all talk, no action.
    as i said before, if he doesn’t get some serious help, he won’t make it to labor day 2009.

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  762. randy l October 2nd, 2008 at 9:49 am

    “Good point on Renteria. The sox are/where paying his contract even though it does not count against their payroll.”

    just curious. why doesn’t it count on their payroll?

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  764. jennifer October 2nd, 2008 at 9:51 am

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  765. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 9:52 am

    SJ44 :

    the trade did not make them better or much better.

    they have an already loaded bullpen and nady did not and will not put them over the top,in fact it might hurt us because it ensures that abraeu is gone.

    all i am saying is that we still have a centerfield,first base,pitching problem and the prospects should have and could have been used to eliminate at the very minimum one of those problems.

    what puzzles me is everybody is saying to keep the kids and we traded 4 or 5 excellent prospects with real trade value and nobody is mad.

    i would of much rather traded that package for a kemp or votto or someone similar.that would take the pressure off as far as needing to trade hughes,cano and others to fill a need that should not of been there.

  766. Fredo Corleone October 2nd, 2008 at 9:54 am

    “just curious. why doesn’t it count on their payroll?”

    Wondered about that myself. Don’t know how the accounting works on that.

    Does Roger Clemens still count on the Yankees payroll?? They are paying him $1M thru 2014 as I remember. Or is that in a different ledger now that he’s not on the 40 man?

  767. Wave Your Hat October 2nd, 2008 at 9:54 am

    If the right deal comes along I can’t imagine any of the Yanks’ relievers in the farm system are untouchable.

    If there are teams out there that think Melancon could be another Rivera, and are willing to trade for him on that basis, then you have to consider it. Selling high can be a good strategy.

    The chances are low that any minor league reliever, no matter how highly touted, will turn out to be that good. If we could turn one or more of those guys into a top tier minor league hitter, at the AA level, for instance, you have to think about it. The Yanks are extremely weak in the minors on the offensive side of the ball.

    Just saying, don’t fall in love with players and lock yourselves into any particular approach with these guys.

  768. jennifer October 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 am

    Isn’t there a difference between backloading a contract, than trading someone and paying a portiion of their contract?

  769. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 am

    I’m sort of on the side of not exactly in love with the Nady/Marte trade.

    Marte is definitely not worth 6 mil a year. File that one in the Karsay/Farnsworth drawer.

    Nady is decent for the money but it remains to be seen if he’s for real. Average defense/ decent bat but was inconsistent in the stretch. Does anybody know how much he’ll be getting next year?

    I heartily agree with SJ about the shelf life of any given reliever. You just never know with these players. That’s why they’re at the position they’re in. Weren’t good enough or consistent enough to start or close. Middle relief is sort of a perpetual purgatory. Still, some rise like cream a la Mariano, some thrive for a couple of years but most survive year to year clinging to the uncanny, but at times vanishing, skill of being able to get ML hitters out the majority of the time.

    It ain’t glamorous yet I’d kill to be able to do what they do.

  770. Brian (Red Sox fan) October 2nd, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Randy …. re: Renteria’s salary (and who carries it). I never thought of that ….. but here’s another one …. who was charged with ARod’s salary when Texas was picking up a significant portion?

    Very confusing …. almost as perplexing as watching Giambi throw to bases.

  771. ed - looking forward to 2009 October 2nd, 2008 at 9:58 am

    [slacking off in class now]

    from what I understand in the farm system, Melancon and Cox would be a replacement for Mo right? Maybe Cox would set up for Melancon or vice versa?

  772. eyes of realism October 2nd, 2008 at 10:01 am

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    They’ve reached an end point of being able to add any more seats to an already small venue and in order to stay competitive, must keep on beefing up ticket and concession prices on a yearly basis.
    They’re given somewhat of a tax break by the city to keep the old ballpark and Boston politicians have no interest in building a new venue anytime soon with the pending lawsuits of the Big Dig Tunnel fiasco forever looming in the background.
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  773. Fredo Corleone October 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 am

    “Marte is definitely not worth 6 mil a year.”

    I’m with you there. Wonder whether the Yanks could decline the option and lock him in to a 2 year/$8M deal that is a little more commensurate with what he gives them?

  774. Doreen October 2nd, 2008 at 10:04 am

    One of things to remember in any deal is the other side has to want your players and has to consider the deal a fair trade of talent. You can say they shoulda done this or that, but you don’t know that they didn’t try to make deals with other teams for that or a similar package of players.

    Nady doesn’t ensure that Abreu is gone, it protects against the probability that he won’t resign under the Yankees’ terms. Also, in Cashman’s press conference yesterday (or perhaps it was the WFAN interview), he said that while he liked Nady, his having a position with the Yankees next season is not a given.

    And even though Mariano’s shoulder surgery is considered very minor, it might not be a good idea to trade your best in-house closer prospect right now. Really good closers are not a dime a dozen, unlike middle relief guys. And with Mariano having another 2 seasons in his contract, they have the luxury of bringing Melancon along gradually. Of course, they could turn around and trade him tomorrow, so it’s just my opinion here.

  775. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 am

    the idea is to get the right players in return.
    if they trade the kids for an over the hill player then yes is is a bad idea but the yankees bullpen is absolutely loaded.

    if melancon,ajax and others bring me a young permanent solution at first base or centerfiels then i do the trade.
    it is about getting better from this point on and melancon and ajax didn’t contribute at all to the team wins wich was 89 i believe only 5 or so off of last years win totals.

    the only solution at first base or centerfiels in fa is tex and he will cost 18-20 million over 5-7 yrs and the yankees have nobody for those two positions in sight for years except maybe ajax.
    if i casn bring in a kemp or votto right now i do it in a second,we become much better,younger and fix a real need.

    trading for nady and marte was a huge mistake.they are nice players but i don’t think they added one win to this years total and fixed no problems.

  776. Patrick October 2nd, 2008 at 10:07 am

    The only reason I’d pick up Marte’s option is if he refuses to negotiate a contract with the Yanks prior to becoming a free agent. If Marte hits the open market he will get a 3-4 year contract at $4-5 million a year.

  777. Wave Your Hat October 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 am

    I don’t see the Nady and Marte trades as mistakes – I don’t think the players the Yanks gave up had very high cielings. We weren’t out of it when the deal went down and they could have helped in 08.

    Keeping Marte at $6 million would be an enormous mistake. That money would be more wisely invested in starting pitching or in Texeira.

  778. Wave Your Hat October 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 am

    *** Nady and Marte trade ***

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  780. Bronx Jeers October 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 am

    even at 4 mil for 2 years I’m still grumbling. I know Joe misused him a bit and that he’s more of a 1 out lefty specialist. But he still couldn’t get Ellsbury(who looked awesome last night by the way) out last Sunday.

    Still we can’t make the same mistake and not have a lefty. That was just stupid.

    As far as Coke goes, I like Pete’s opinion that they should put him in Scranton as a starter and see if he can’t develop into something real nice.

  781. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 am

    Doreen:

    i see you’re side of it.there are compelling debates on both sides.

    i just would like the yankees to make a good solid move to address a real problem instead of bringing players in that they do not need.

    a corner outfield spot is not as important as a centerfielder,pitching or first base.

    the yankees might have other options for a closer also.joba,bruney,brackman,sanchez,etc…. those positions work themselves out usually.

    i remember bobby cox of the braves saying a few months ago,”closers are a dime a dozen and starting pitching and position players are more important”.

    the yankees won 89 games and need to build upon that.melancon didn’t factor into any of the wins so to even remotely think he might be the next mariano is a tad bit premature.

    i also have a funny feeling that joba will be the closer.

    injuries will become a concern and he will go to the pen imo.

  782. Wave Your Hat October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 am

    Let me give an example to illustrate my previous post on Melancon. If the Yanks could have upgraded Nady to Bey in that deal by adding Melancon, I would have done it in a heartbeat.

  783. OldYanksFan October 2nd, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Consider this people… how would you like to have a roster of:
    C – Howard, Elston
    1B – Pepitone, Joe
    2B – Richardson, Bobby
    SS – Kubek, Tony
    3B – Boyer, Clete
    OF – Mantle, Mickey
    OF – Maris, Roger
    OF – Tresh, Tom

    SP – Ford, Whitey
    SP – Terry, Ralph
    SP – Stottlemyre, Mel
    SP – Downing, Al
    SP – Bouton, Jim

    This is the 1964 Yankees. More a group of Gods then a roster. Great offense. Great defense. Great Pitching. They had it all. A 99 Win season and a WS berth (again). In the previous 17 years, the Yankees were in the WS 14 times, and won 10 of them!

    WS Games 3,4 and 5 at the Stadium average slightly over 66,300 in attendence! This series saw 2 of the 3 greatest fielding 3BMen ever, Clete Boyer and Ken Boyer. A God named Mickey Mantle posted a series line of .333 .467 .792 1.259 with THREE HRs!

    But it wasn’t enough. In an upset, the Cardinals beat us in 7 games. BUMMER! But for the Yankees, there was always next year.

    And I became a fan in 1965 (ergo… OldYanksFan). And I couldn’t wait for revenge and another WS Championship! But unbeknowst to me, history tells us that 1965 was the beginning of ‘The Dark Days’. Out of 20 teams, 10 in each league, the Yankees finished 6th. The year after… dead last. 70 Wins. The 3rd worst record in all of MLB!

    So for many years after, rooting for the Yankees meant praying they would finally reach .500. I had to wait TWELVE years for the Yankees to see another World Series.

    Much like the 1965 Yankees, our 2008 team has some baseball Gods on it. But they are getting old. They are still studs, but past their prime. Like the 1965 team, we don’t know when ARod, Jeter, Posada and Mo will fall off the Cliff. And like the 1965 Yankees, for a long time, there was not a lot on the farm to continue the dynasty.

    And whether you like Cashman or not, he understands that 1965 CAN happen again. As a matter of fact, the 1997-2005 Yankees were the very blueprint for this kind of disaster.

    In 1918, we beat the Germans to end World War I, which was dubbed ‘the Last Great War’…. that is until we fought in Germans again in1941. Hostory has a funny way of repreating itself…. unless you are very careful.
    And Cashman understands this.

    You heard Cashman say it in his press conference, that in 2005, he could see ‘The Dark Days’ coming again, and he wasn’t going to let it happen.

    We were able to ride the coattails of Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Pettitte and the Great Mariano for some years. While some tasty FA signings have kept us on or near the top for the last decade, we have been doing a slow fade over the last 5 years. And ‘our boys’ are only getting older.

    So in 2005, Cashman began his attempt to reverse history…. to look past THIS year and ahead to the future, and to start again to build a franchise that has been ignoring the future for over a decade.

    Since then, we have said NO to a lot of tasty FAs and trades, with Santana being the most recent. And Cashman has taken the hit. And folks, there will be more hits this winter. Even with Yankee money, it takes some time.
    Whether it’s done in 2009, or takes another year, or 2, is yet to be seen.

    But Cashman has made a commitment to put us back on top.
    Not for just this year or next, but to change the structure and dymanics of the franchise, so we never again see The Dark Days approaching.

    So for all you ‘Fans’ that think 89 Wins is an embarrassment… a failure…. you simpy don’t understand baseball… or history. It is not automatic, even if it has seemed that way for a while.

    For all you ‘Fans’ that think buying CC and Tex and Sheets and Peavy and whatever other overpriced studs there are… for all you ‘Fans’ that think nothing of trading Cano or Hughes or whatever young talent we have invested in… you are living in 1998. Cashman in living in 2008.

    You ‘fans’ just want to re-live history without concern for the future. The very stategy that has us where we are now.
    Thank God Cashman took control in 2005 and started stockpiling arms. Thank God we already have at least and Wang, Cano, Hughes and many other kids who have contributed.

    The reason the Sox are on top is not Manny or Big Papi. They are the front line… the BIG guys. But it is Hanley and Sanchez, who turned into Beckett and Lowell, Youk, Pedroia, Lowrie, Papelbom, Lester, Masterson, Ellsbury, Buchholz and more, that make the Red Sox truly powerful.

    So for all you ‘Fans’ that think 89 Wins is an embarrassment… a failure….
    maybe before your next rant, before you barf up your next post….
    maybe you should learn a bit about baseball… and history.

    I’m a Yankees fan, and for all of this year’s teams failures and disappointments, they’re still my guys and I’m proud of them.

  784. Wave Your Hat October 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 am

    My Hat is off to anyone who can decipher Cashman’s comments in his press conference. Could mean just about anything IMO.

    Certainly don’t read it to mean he won’t go after CC or Tex.

  785. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Wave Your Hat:

    so now with marte gone as you suggest the yankees traded all those kids for nady? come on.

    the prospects needed to be used to fix the centerfield,first base,pitching problems that we STILL have.

    i would much rather have votto,kemp or some other good young first baseman or centerfielder than nady and marte.then we would only have to concentrate on pitching and first base or center field wich is not nearly as bad.

    having 3 problems instead of two put’s more pressure on trading hughes,cano and minor leaguers to fill those needs.

  786. Wave Your Hat October 2nd, 2008 at 10:36 am

    We traded Jose Tabata, Dan McCutcheon, Russ Ohlendorf and Jeff Karstens.

    I don’t think we could have gotten any of the guys you mention for that crew.

    At the time, Tabata was about as unappealing as you can get. He was a reclamation project.

    The rest of those guys are just guys. They aren’t bring anything special.

    As I said, if the Pirates would have upgraded Nady to Bey, I would have thrown in Melancon.

  787. bru October 2nd, 2008 at 11:02 am

    i understand that the kids you mentioned might not have landed votto,kemp or anyone else for that matter but a package of some sort might have.an ajax,melancon,kennedy maybe.

    you won’t know unless you pick up the phone.

  788. hurricane bear October 2nd, 2008 at 11:35 am

    no one wants kennedy cause he sucks

  789. Pete October 2nd, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    wave your hat nailed it, we fleeced the pirates in that deal by giving up one decent prospect with falling stock in tabata and 3 marginal-non prospects for 2 players who can contribute. granted they might not be our biggest needs coming into this year but they were needs at the time (we havent had a real lefty out of the pen since stanton in his prime, and matsui and damon had missed time with injuries). maybe tabata and kennedy packaged could pique the interest for a guy like kemp or votto but we still have all the chips that wouldve been needed to land a guy like that and more prospects similar in value to the ones we gave up for marte/nady. btw, nady’s versatility is what makes him valuable, he provides a decent bat at two corner positions and 1b if need be. he is probably one alternative for 1b if tex cant be brought in and a much sounder defensive option than posada or matsui whove never played significant time there.

    cashman is trying to run things like they were run leading up to our dynasty. we kept our jeters/pettites/mos/posadas to form our core, and a cost effective one at that because they are younger and cost controlled, and we added through FA with a few great trades thrown in. now he is looking to keep our canos/hughes/jobas/wangs and to build again through FA and hopefully find another o’niell/justice/cone/clemens trade to put this team back on top. this panicking, crying for trading all our top prospects is exactly what got us in trouble starting again in 2000 and is the reason we havent won a series and had by a wide margin the largest payroll in the league every year. cash knows what it took to make this team great before, he will make it happen again.

  790. vikitr January 20th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    no one wants kennedy cause he sucks

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