C-Money comes out swinging
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baseball_nyy101.jpg’ alt=’capt149db5f66752432f8e25ed6322dfa351yankees_cashman_baseball_nyy101.jpg’ width=”450” />A few things that came out of the Cashman press conference today:
- The team has changed how it scouts players in Japan, particularly pitchers. Scouts have been changed and more “sets of eyes” have been added to the process.
- Cashman said he believes Mike Mussina is leaning toward retirement.
- Cashman wants more players to take the attitude of Mussina, Brian Bruney and Johnny Damon, who turned sub-par 2007 seasons into good 2008 seasons. “We need more of that,” he said.
- There will be meetings with the pro scouts in the Bronx later this month then full organizational meetings in Tampa around Oct. 15. That’s when they’ll decide what players will be pursued. But obviously the market will be fluid.
- There is no new “board of advisors.” Nice try, Hank.
- Cashman said there were “growing pains” in his relationship with the Steinbrenner brothers. He didn’t go into details, but obviously he means Hank talking so much and undermining his authority regarding baseball matters. Hal Steinbrenner appears to have been able to get his brother under control to some degree.
The new sheriff in town is clearly Hal.
- The biggest thing that came out of it, I thought, was how combative Cashman was.
“For a long time, we’ve been old and everybody knows it, right?†Cashman said. “For a long time people have pointed it out. So now when you start to fix it, people are ‘Oh my God, you missed the playoffs.’ Off with his head, right? That’s fair, that’s fine, that’s part of this town. I accept it. I’m not running from it.
“I care about my name and I care about how I’m perceived and I care about this franchise. I need everybody that works for me who feels the same way to pull in the same direction. If I wanted something easy, I could do a hell of a lot of other things than run the Yankees.â€
He’s right about that. I know some people disagree with me, but I think Cash is the right man for the job. When I covered college basketball, coaches used to say they wanted to build a program, not just one team. That’s what the Yankees need to do. They need think about being good for 10 years, not one.
Going 89-73 is no reason to panic.
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cashman is the man.
It seems like Hal Steinbrenner is much more willing to stay out of Cashman’s way and let him exert his influence on the direction of the team. As long as he can keep Hank out of the way and most importantly, out of the newspapers, I think Cashman will have a much easier time of it. Hopefully Hal will maintain this attitude and be seen as the new face of ownership. The last thing we need is another reprisal of James Dolan.
remember when signs were imprinted on padded stadium walls, reading “no pepper”
not able to see today’s players, playing pepper. Would interfere with their image.
This team needs a tune up, not a complete renovation.
you show ‘em cash!
Cashman has been my guy forever. I am loyal, hardly fickle, and extremely appreciative.
freedom from expectation is freedom from disappointment
Cashman sounded like he was going to make some interesting trades and stay away from the FA market.
Cash was very combative in his press conference. He seemed very upset about how he is perceived in the media.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/10/01/2008-10-01_mets_pitcher_ambiorix_burgos_in_alleged_.html
Nice guy!
Pete, please be fair to the man:
Cashman is bird-like in that picture.
cash feels like he has to prove himself this offseason , fix his “mistakes”
i dont know about you guys but i cant for this october to end so the real fun starts
from what I read so far, there are 2 GMs had regretted trading their your pitchers:
Tom Hick, Rangers GM regretted trading John Danks for Brandon McCarthy (been injuried for most of this and last season).
Dave Dombrowski, Tigers GM regretted trading Jair Jurrjens for Edgar Renteria.
They are already taking apart Shea!
http://multimedia.nydailynews.com/audioslideshow/sports/20081001_dismantlingshea/
He had growing praise of Coke and Joba. Also was confident in Damon’s ability to play CF or LF.
Most importantly, he guaranteed Joba a spot in the rotation alongside Wang next year. I suspect that means all year.
Lowe is so gross. The Cubs should be able to get to him. I remember watching him blowe so many games when he was with the Sux. But then I have to remember – this is the NL.
young*
cashman did say he had to fix the mistakes this offseason
didn’t hank say the same thing? except hank said the mistakes of the last 5-6 years, cashman said the mistakes of last winter, obviously pertaining to the kids.
i dont know about you guys but i cant for this october to end so the real fun starts
you are not the only one.
One more inning from Lowe, then Kuo for the 7th, Broxton for the 8th, Saito for the 9th good night.
And if Lowe gets into trouble this inning, Biemel will be in to get the lefty.
Torre has this game in the bag
sorry, wrong thread. We were having a good time discussing the Cubs game before we were so rudely interrupted!
same here, i want these playoffs to end. and as long as the red sox or dodgers are not the champions, i dont care.
I don’t get why people are so high on Derek Lowe. People forget how horrible he was in his last year for the soxs. How the fans nicknamed him Derek Blow. Lets not forget he is in an awful NL West and in a pitchers park. He’d probably get killed in the Al East. Also another reason he was let go by the soxs was his partying ways. What kinds of problems do you think he’d have in NY where there is a club or bar on every corner?
Lowe is looking very good tonight, continuing his big game winning. I’d love to have him next year.
ER – predictions for the Sox-Angels series?
I want to win NOW. Not five years from now.
“They need to think about being good for 10 years, not one.”
Thx, Pete, that’s the perfect sentiment.
Anthony don’t worry, Cashman sounded like he will attack this off-season aggressively and play for this year and to win. He’ll still keep the jewels like Joba and Cano but will shop other guys and not be as protective.
Go get em CashMoneyMan
How many years has Manny been on the Dodgers? That helmet is older than him.
Cubs look like the same old Cubs.
If they can’t win this year, when will they win?
Torre is outmanaging Pinella.
The win NOW mentality is how the Yanks got into their current predicament to begin with.
Anthony; I will sacrifice one year for ten winning years, if it comes down to that.
I like Feisty Cashman.
HR Manny
Manny HR, of course.
how did manny hit that?
Ok lets get Manny.
I love feisty Cash. The sportswriters in this town are shills for Minaya…..but for Cash, no love .
He’s 100% spot on with his quote about how the media knocks the Yankees because they’re old and then knocks them again when they try to go with youth. Basically, these mediots are a bunch of no-nothing, reactionary tabloid losers on a par with the worst of the National Enquirer “reporters”
how in the living heck did manny hit that ball out of the park?
it was practically in the dirt!! he golfed it out there lol
unbelievable
“how did manny hit that?”
NL pitching. You know how that goes.
Yeah, I’d rather win now, but I don’t want to win now if it means sucking for 10 years afterwards, instead of having a tough season or two and then being good for a long long time
3 more years of cashman = 3 more years of bad decisions
I posted this in the previous thread (re: Peavy rumors):
That’s just Buster’s opinion – he knows as much about the situation as we do, meaning nothing. He has no clue as to what the Yankees would offer for Peavy (Phil’s name comes up all the time by sportswriters and frankly, they are just pulling names out of hat).
Also, the Yankees never offered Hughes and Kennedy, plus Melky, for Santana., Buster is an idiot – he should do his homework. Cash did not want to include Hughes in the Santana deal, he only did it very reluctantly. The deal was off the table in a few days once the Twins didn’t bite – they asked for Phil, got him, then demanded more from the Yankees. Additionally, the Yankees asked the Twins what the Twins were looking for in a Santana deal – the Yankees never offered up specific players.
It did look like a golf swing.
One way Cashman could improve how he’s covered and perceived is to begin taking lessons from Theo on concision, economy, and cogency in his responses.
I listen to Theo and I think I’m listening to a polished, authoritative CEO or public intellectual.
I listen to Cashman and I hear a tedious politician or pencil-pushing bureaucrat prone to circumlocution, stilted diction, and incessant repetition, reminiscent in many respects of Dubya.
Verbal fluency doesn’t necessarily equate with executive wisdom or shrewdness but if Brian is so intent on persuading the media that he’s a baseball intellectual in the Theo’s vein, as Verducci wrote last winter, Cashman has a long way to go.
I already predicted Red S*x will very likely sweep pass the World Series.
There’s a slim chance that Angels would take one game.
Jason Bay MVP in all 3 series. Mark Kotsay will have a couple of game winning hits. Pimplebutt giving up 1 hit in 16 total innings. And Jon Jester may throw in a perfect game (or two).
Please don’t make me repeat myself.
Manny is unaware that “pressure” is a word in the English language.
“PUDGE TRADE ENDED OUR SEASON ”
This is a joke right?
I agree about Lowe. Pitching in the NL West is like pitching in AAA. There’s like 2 scary hitters in that division. I’d much rather have Pettitte and obviously Moose.
Although it seems like everyone thinks Moose wants to retire, I think Cash could convince him to come back if we don’t get Sabathia. A chance at a World Series ring, 300 wins, new stadium, lots of cash, and really letting him know how much he is needed would be hard to turn down.
The Twins countered with Hughes, Melky, Marquez, and Mitch Hilligoss and the Yankees rebuffed them.
Look it up. Bill Madden wrote about it in the Sunday Daily News in January.
Man. The Cubs have some work to do.
““For a long time, we’ve been old and everybody knows it, right?†Cashman said. “For a long time people have pointed it out. So now when you start to fix it, people are ‘Oh my God, you missed the playoffs.’ Off with his head, right? That’s fair, that’s fine, that’s part of this town. I accept it. I’m not running from it.”
Cash fails to remember that he hasn’t “started to fix” anything. He held onto 3 players Hughes, Melky and IPK. 2 of the 3 are total busts and the 3rd is a disappointment. Cash can rest on his laurels all he’d like you haven’t fixed anything Cash you’ve only assisted an 89 win team in missing the playoffs and you are apparently working towards a 9th consecutive season without a ring. Putting a muzzle on Hank only helps you temporarily if we are forced to sit through another 40+ starts from the likes of Rasner and Ponson next season a lot less of us fans will be in your corner.
ER, no offense but since you’ve been wrong more than you’ve been right I will assume that the Angels are going to take it all!
No matter how many home runs Manny hits in the playoffs, I will never get the image out of my head of him standing in against Mariano with the bat on his hsoulder. Manny is pathetic.
If Moose wants to retire, why didn’t he just say so? What’s the point of waiting out a week or two? Moose has already said the Yanks are his first choice so it can’t be a money thing.
So then you admit the Santana trade was nixed due to the 3rd player in the deal rather than not giving up Hughes.
Which shows Hughes was on the table for Santana and will be on the table for other elite players.
Hal referenced money when talking about the Santana trade. Cashman did again today. In Kepner’s article Cashman also said he didn’t want to trade for CC because he didn’t think he would sign with an East Coast team long term.
All those things show that if the right deal came along, Hughes would be traded.
““PUDGE TRADE ENDED OUR SEASON â€
No, an anemic offense, shotty defense and crappy pitching ended our season. Let’s get the facts straight, people.
well not really
if you look at our pitching staff the second he became the #1 catcher, we lost it and fell out of it
sounds odd but its reality
Moose is waiting to see how much the Yanks offer.
scorpio
he didnt say he wants to retire, he said hes LEANING towards retirement, theres a difference, something can still change is mind, i personally want him to think long and hard about it, if he thinks he wont come back healthy or hes to tired then he should go ahead and retire while hes on top
Yeah I’m not believing Moose is ready to hang up the cleats either.
I love Cash, but really – he has to take responsibility for how some of the kids turned out this year. It’s his fault for rushing Phil in 2007 – though in his case, I think he definitely deserved a spot in the rotation for this year. Ian? Not so much – in fact, not at all. Leaving Ian out of this (because he does seem to have dropped off the face of the earth), Phil had about 5 starts this year – 1 good, and the others dreadful (for whatever reason). Really, what is the big deal? Did Cashman not expect growing pains? Has he come to the conclusion that it wasn’t his mistake in trusting the kids, but rather their lack of talent? This is the most disappointing part off the situation for me.
Keep in mind that I love Cash and I’m thrilled he’s back.
I think this season will kick the Yankees, and their management, in the ass. They were getting real droopy, and I believe a season like this is a wake up call for them.
I think this season will kick the Yankees, and their management, in the ass. They were getting real droopy, and I believe a season like this is a wake up call for them.
Manny is so unclutch. Always getting hits when they already have the lead. Weak tack on runs. Unclutch.
Olney is one of the best journalists in the business. He has better Yankee sources than anyone.
Heyman and Olney are the best in the business. Olney was a Yankee beat writer and still has good sources. Heyman has good relationships with the Yankee FO. I highly doubt Olney is ‘making anything up’. He referenced what he heard from rival execs about the Peavy thing. He wasn’t just speculating, he had concrete info.
Which will turn out worse in 3 years?
A. Firing Torre for Girardi
B. Passing on Santana for Hughes and Kennedy
No thank you, Kill – I wouldn’t trust Madden as far as I could throw him. Also, the Twins didn’t counter with anything – that would require that the Yankees first made an offer, which they didn’t.
My God, when is the day going to come when people will stop rehashing the whole Santana deal? I just don’t get it. It’s not like talking about it over and over and over again is going to change anything. The Mutts aren’t trading him to us. It’s over. Why do we have to beat ourselves to death over the details? It’s almost as if you think that if we keep talking about it, we can go back and change history. I wish life worked that way.
Scorpio: Because Moose is still too near to the season.
You don’t want to make a decision rashly, because you may end up regretting it later.
LOL AL – Phil is already a disappointment at age 22? Wow oh wow – you guys have ridiculously sky high expectations. The kid has just turned 22 – he had a few bad starts this year, not 15.
“Kill-Schill(ing)
October 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pm
One way Cashman could improve how he’s covered and perceived is to begin taking lessons from Theo on concision, economy, and cogency in his responses.
I listen to Theo and I think I’m listening to a polished, authoritative CEO or public intellectual.
I listen to Cashman and I hear a tedious politician or pencil-pushing bureaucrat prone to circumlocution, stilted diction, and incessant repetition, reminiscent in many respects of Dubya.
Verbal fluency doesn’t necessarily equate with executive wisdom or shrewdness but if Brian is so intent on persuading the media that he’s a baseball intellectual in the Theo’s vein, as Verducci wrote last winter, Cashman has a long way to go.”
whatever dude. Cash Money.
“Heyman and Olney are the best in the business. Olney was a Yankee beat writer and still has good sources. Heyman has good relationships with the Yankee FO. I highly doubt Olney is ‘making anything up’. He referenced what he heard from rival execs about the Peavy thing. He wasn’t just speculating, he had concrete info.”
AZ I missed it what exactly did Olney say about Peavy?
now that we are out of it, and everything has settled down a bit, im actually happy we didnt make it to the playoffs
making it to the playoffs and always losing in the first round should not qualify as making the playoffs ands thats been happeing for a while now
this is a wake up call to the organization and i feel we are going to see the benefit of it come next spring training
not only the organization but the players realize that there isnt always a open space for the yanks to just occupy and slip into the post season
Clint, sorry, that is fiction, not fact. I’m not going to do the research – it’s all there on the internet if you want to find it. The only people who think Hughes was in essence a deal-breaker are the people who have given up on him and find creative new ways to bash him day in and day out.
Cashman did say that only Wang and Joba were locks for the rotation in 09 and he needs to work to fill the other 3 slots.
He sounds like he is going the trade route and will stay away from CC. He also didn’t sound that sure that Mussina was returning.
The Manny homerun was insane. Looked like Vlad, but better.
“Which will turn out worse in 3 years?
A. Firing Torre for Girardi
B. Passing on Santana for Hughes and Kennedy”
Torre… Santana already experiencing injuries.
Celerino I agree about Manny. The guy doesn’t have an operating brain cell. I think Boras put a chip in there and has him programmed. Boras told Manny he would be happier with another team since Boras wasn’t going to get any benefit$$$ if Manny stayed with the Sux. So Manny punched his way out of town.
He’s got talent and will produce as long as he gets his way. That’s not quite the Yankee way. Want to see a cancer in the clubhouse? Do some research on how many players wanted Manny to stay in Boston when they took their little clubhouse vote.
And oh yeah, Curt the mouth also told WEEI about how he and many got into a fist fight and had to be separated during spring training.
You want a nutcake who will turn on you on a dime when things aren’t his way? Pray you get Manny.
This game is not looking good for the cubbies
“LOL AL – Phil is already a disappointment at age 22? Wow oh wow – you guys have ridiculously sky high expectations. The kid has just turned 22 – he had a few bad starts this year, not 15.”
I obviously meant “disappointment” in terms of this year not his entire career. Say what you may but the Yankees were expecting a lot more from Hughes than a handful of terrible starts followed by a 4 month DL stint.
Sorry, AZ – it’s more speculating from Olney. What sources? He has no clue as to what the Yankees would offer and we haven’t heard one drop from the Yankees. Phil is the name-du-jour to throw out in all trades. No thanks – I’m not biting on this one.
It is a fact that the Santana deal was nixed because of the 3rd player in the deal. We didn’t want to give up Horne, Tabata, or Jackson. Hughes was already on the table so was Melky. Minnesota was greedy and wanted a premium prospect as the 3rd guy. We didn’t bite, Hank went on his “teams demand more from us than other teams” rant, and the thing fell apart. Hughes was already on the table. If Smith had accepted him when he was there and not gotten greedy, Hughes would be in Minnesota now and we’d have Santana.
“I think this season will kick the Yankees, and their management, in the ass. They were getting real droopy, and I believe a season like this is a wake up call for them.”
Yep.
“He sounds like he is going the trade route and will stay away from CC.”
staying away from CC can turn out to be the bst decision hes ever made or another bad one.
if he stays away and CC shows up to his next spring training with his falling off, then its the best decision ever, if it goes the other way around then cash is going to be fried once again
Please, Trisha…let’s back off the Manny bashing for a night can we? We know. You hate his guts. He’s not Yankee material.
We are commenting on Manny’s hits tonight not whether or not he deserves to go to heaven.
“this is a wake up call to the organization and i feel we are going to see the benefit of it come next spring training”
This is what this year is. Not this:
“Going 89-73 is no reason to panic.”
his arm falling off*
I love the Cubs fans, just always expecting the worst. They just looked like oh not again on that grandslam.
I don’t think Cashman will pass on CC, he will try and get him and not break the bank for a guy who doesn’t want to be here. He’ll try his best to get him though.
His next option will be Peavy and explore the trade market. From what he said, it almost sounds a given this is where he will go.
Scorpio – skip my posts. I’m commenting on his hits too. He hits when he wants to. When he’s unhappy he pouts.
I don’t “hate his guts”. I know exactly who he is though. You’re right. He’s not Yankee material.
Laura, I’m not going to let fiction stand for facts. I would love to stop rehashing the Santana thing, but there are people who will not let it go, for various reasons. I have no clue as to why they didn’t read the many articles from that time where the Yankees stated they knew this non-move would hurt them in 2008 – actually, I do have a clue. They have very little patience (if any)for young players – really, saying Phil is a bum and at best a #3, when we saw what he could do last October, and when he’s barely turned 22, says it all for me. It’s pathetic that the Santana horse is being beaten to death again.
Hughes was a HUGE disappointment this year.
Cashman didn’t even mention him as part of the 09 plans with Mike today. Not even in a competition. He did mention Coke and Joba though.
harwood:
exactly, we dont need to panic, but this should not be taken lightly either
if you are 89-73 and all the other al east teams are below you, then good for the team they did their job
when other teams step up, you should be able to step up also
Gotta do better than that Jim Edmonds
“Which will turn out worse in 3 years?”
Russell, I believe both will turn out to be very good moves for the Yankees.
you can hear the crickets at wrigley field lol its hysterical
Unless Cash plans on trading for a Peavy or Greinke its a bad move to stay away from CC.
Now people are discrediting Buster Olney?
LOL
Delusional, all the way around.
Al, of course that’s true – and so did I. However, no one can predict injuries. As to the few starts he did make this year, he pitched very well against the Jays. The others ? If he was healthy, then all I can say is that this kind of stuff happens all the time to young pitchers. Either his mechanics got out of whack or he just lost himself for awhile; he’s obviously very talented and he has a good head on his shoulders. For this kind off prospect, you remain patient.
Laura, on top of it, Cashman said he would do the same thing over again with respect to Santana. So it definitely should be considered a moot point at this point. The real GM always trumps the armchair GMs.
“He’s right about that. I know some people disagree with me, but I think Cash is the right man for the job. When I covered college basketball, coaches used to say they wanted to build a program, not just one team. That’s what the Yankees need to do. They need think about being good for 10 years, not one.”
Pete, I don’t know what you’re talking about. The Yankees have been a good team for nearly 15 years now. They have the money to approach it one year at a time. Programs are for teams with no money like the Rays, Twins and A’s.
It’s like a funeral is going on at Wrigley.
if Girardi were in LA, the division would’ve been wrapped up by Sept 1st.
Betsy, Hughes also looked real good in the last two games he pitched for the Yanks. It’s obvious he’s got a lot of talent.
Al from BK:
its 50/50 for cash
either CC comes to spring training with an overused arm
or CC comes completely healthy
we need pitching badly so i say we should take the chance and sign him if we can and hopefully we benefit
Y26, Hughes was on the table practically at Hank’s insistence. The Twins DID get greedy – no question (and this is why I feel the Yankees had no chance to get Johan. The Twinkies were not interested in negotiating; they were interested in extortioin). However, it became too much when they also demanded Kennedy…..and then the Yankees said “forget it – we just barely decided to put Phil on the table and now we’d just rather keep him”.
“if Girardi were in LA, the division would’ve been wrapped up by Sept 1st.”
Yep.
Guys. They voted on the bailout bill:
Passed 74-25
Both Obama and McCain voted ‘aye’.
AL –
I think I would stay away from Grienke. He gives up way too many home runs. he would definitely get killed in the AL east.
I hope Cashman is not trying to say that he “went young” this year and thats why they didnt make the playoffs. If he needs to blame someone he should look in the mirror. He passed on some great FA`s last winter, over rated his own guys, and did nothing last winter to improve the team.
Brought Petittite back and as much as we love Andy he was poor this season. He went into the season with from his own qoute an untouchable CF that they eventually busted to the minors.
I hope he is watching Cubs-Dodgers and forgets about the right handed version of Andy Petitte
Derek Lowe- and he realizes he needs to stay away from him.Rebecca, but now it has to go to the House. Unless it’s a different enough version from the first bill, I don’t know that the Houses will pass it.
Rebecca –
It still has to go to the House.
Watching this baseball is making me sick. These teams are not good at all. The only team that we would not likely beat is Anaheim.
Dang. I had such hope…
Cashman better go all out for CC.
If he doesn’t, he isin’t the right man for the job.
I would only trade Hughes for a pitcher if we couldn’t get CC or Burnett. But first we have to try hard at both. Why is Cashman having a defeatist attitude already? I thought he doesn’t even want to get rid of Hughes yet he already talks trade market and wants to stay away from CC?
Redding, Phil still needs some work to do – why is that a big deal to some fans when he’s only 22? He’ll be given a chance in ST and perhaps he will win a spot. If so, good for him. If the Yankees feel he’s not ready, then so be it. Why is it so hard to understand that developing young pitchers take time? We are talking about a kid who has made very few starts in the majors. I was devastated when Phil got hurt, so yes – that was incredibly disappointing to me. However, to say that he was a HUGE disappointment? I’m saving that for players like Melky and Cano, not for Phil who had 5 starts
LOL I just can’t wait to see Coke struggle a bit – all of a sudden he’s the hottest thing since sliced bread. Great – he looks like he ’s got a lot of ability. Just wait until he struggles; the question is: will this Phil be trashed as well? Somehow, I don’t think so.
whatsfunny is people here wanted no part of Santana but taking CC is ok? Makes no sense. CC will cost more, and most certainly is not in shape, and a health hazaed with over use of his arm. Santana was better than CC was in the AL I dont understand how so many say yes to CC but said no to Santana.
Me? I`ll would have taken them both.
As of 9:24 they haven’t voted on the bailout yet. They did on a series of amendments to the bill; the margin in favor of the amendments indicate that it should pass the Senate.
Cash referenced he made mistakes last year and overestimated some things (aka the kids) and he plans to rectify it this year. That shows that he is still committing to rebuilding but only cornerstone guys like Joba and Cano. Other guys will be used as trade bait to fill the needs of the ML club.
Cashman actually has a good trade history so its good to know he is going to dabble in that market. If he is willing to trade someone like Hughes, we could fetch a lot.
Joba looking good. Mo warming up.
“It’s like a funeral is going on at Wrigley.”
Cubs fans are the most pathetic fans on the planet. They are delusional, obnoxious and totally unbearable. I hope the Cubs get swept.
They just showed a clip of Torre and Bowa on the Dodger bench talking about what a bum Cano is.
GMAB Quilvio – because Buster is some sort of Deep Throat who has insider information? I want you to tell me where he got this information that the Yankees will definitely offer Phil Hughes (plus others) for Jake Peavey? Where? What are his sources? Did Cashman tell him this? Did Stick Michael? Hal? Hank? The ballboy? No, it’s all speculation. Anyhow, that is not how Cashman works. He puts out feelers to teams who have players he covets and he tries to find out what they are looking for (if, indeed, they are interested in dealing that player). Cashman hardly ever makes an outright offer.
Santana wanted to come to NY. We were his first choice. He didn’t want to go West he wanted to come here or Boston.
Sabathia on the otherhand seems to not want anything to do with the Yankees.
Yet we passed on Santana and are going to throw a boatload at CC who doesn’t even want to be here? Hasn’t this franchise had enough mercenaries?
back to baseball,
Idon’t see this referenced, but Cashman’s comments about more sets of eyes scouting in Japan is a clear admission as to why this organization gave an absurd amount of money to a mediocre pitcher like Kei Igawa.
Did the organization just rely on numbers and stat analysis in signinging Igawa? Did they not have enough scouts who saw him pitch?
not for nothing but, remember ian kennedy also did pretty well at the end of the 2007 season just like Aceves is now for the 2008 season. I’m just saying lets not get our hopes up. Ian is still a young guy. You never know he might surprise us.
I wish Kennedy and Hughes the best of luck
Cubs can’t buy a break.
“CC will cost more”
ERRRRR! WRONG.
Santana cost prospects and money, CC costs only money.
SO close yet so far Jim haha woooo
PJH
the problem is we would have faced the angels first hence we wouldnt see the other teams anyway
I cannot imagine the Yankees giving up on Hughes. With all of the money they have coming off the books they can afford to deal with cash and bit players.
I could be wrong but I’m not seeing it happen.
“whatsfunny is people here wanted no part of Santana but taking CC is ok? Makes no sense. CC will cost more, and most certainly is not in shape, and a health hazaed with over use of his arm. Santana was better than CC was in the AL I dont understand how so many say yes to CC but said no to Santana.
Me? I`ll would have taken them both.”
Plain and simple reason. CC is only costing us money. Santana would have costed prospects AND money. I’m sure if Santana was on the open market this winter, everybody would be clamoring over him too.
When it comes to japanese pitchers, having less eyes watching them is better than having more. Leave the market alone Brian, u and ur people have no clue what u are doing over there.
Cash is trying to run the Yankees like the Twins or A’s. This is the Yankees they have money to spend its not like Cash is going to have to take out a second mortgage to pay for CC. At least give it a shot if CC snubs us screw him but you have to try as a GM its your obligation.
Stick wanted the Santana trade. Daily News says Stick will be more active this off-season.
One thing that’s important to keep in mind: Even with Brian Cashman coming back as Yankee GM, Gene Michael figures to have a bigger say this winter on player personnel decisions. And Michael, as we all know, loves those high on-base percentage guys. (For the record, Holliday had a .405 on-base percentage away from Coors Field in ‘08.)
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/09/30/2008-09-30_yanks_must_bring_in_matt_holliday_ship_o.html
PJH
You would think a lineup like the 08 Yanks can do some damage but remember they were beat by some of the worst teams this year and tipping their caps to 5+ ERA pitchers all year long.
Laura
i would rather be locked ina room with a cub fan than a sux fan any day, but i see your point lol
Kennedy is done as a Yankee. Brian didn’t even mention him today. He didn’t mention Hughes either but atleast he has ability, Kennedy = righty Igawa.
They didn’t even bring him up during the final week of the stadium as a reward.
Question from anyone who might know. For real – do the Cubs have decent relief pitching?
I hate both of these teams.
But man wouldn’t it be sweet to see the Cubs eliminated in round 1? Everyone picked them, they were the darlings of the baseball world.
Oh cubs.
Wrigleyville will not be a happy place tonight
If Cashman has jumnped bail on Phil because of a few starts, then I seriously question his qualifications to run this team. However, I do not for an instant think that’s the case.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/remember-phil-hughes-the-yankees-do/
I haven’t listened yet to the press conference, but I am sure that what Brian meant was that he overestimated how difficult it would be for the kids to make the transition to the big leagues. Of course in Phil’s case, he got hurt after only a few starts. He’s not a finished product, in great part because Brian rushed him in 2007. Instead of going out and finding a warm body to help the rotation, he takes a kid who he said he didn’t intend to call up until September and almost asked him to save the season (which he did, for one night at least, in October)
Here’s a response from Mark Feinsand on a recent live chat he did:
12:42 [Comment From jmc]
What are the internal evaluations of Phil Hughes now? Do they still feel he can be a number 1 or 2 type starter long term?
12:43 The Yankees still believe that Hughes can be a front-line starter. The biggest concern isn’t about his poor April performance, it’s about his ability to stay healthy. Hughes must show next year that he can stay on the field all year and pitch effectively while doing it. Remember, he’s still just 22 years old.
“Idon’t see this referenced, but Cashman’s comments about more sets of eyes scouting in Japan is a clear admission as to why this organization gave an absurd amount of money to a mediocre pitcher like Kei Igawa.”
Enough with this Japan scouting business I want Cash to scout tomorrows game 2 NLDS and watch the guy we should be going after. Cash failed miserably with Igawa and Boston got a tremendous pitcher. Stay away from Japan until Darvish is ready for posting.
If the Cubs lose this game I’m really going to start believing they’re cursed.
Cubs have below average middle relief, above average late inning relief… Marmol and Wood are nasty, Shark has his moments… Everybody else is a ?
Al,
Why not run the team like the A’s and Twins when it comes to developing, and then spend like the Yankees to pull the occasional free agent prize, or trade developed talent for a mid-season kick in the pants.
Anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> Mets bullpen.
Poor pitching and no offense does not equal cursed. Just means you choked.
Good for Cash. I totally support the direction he’s taking this team in.
trisha –
Four guys who throw 95+ (Wood, Marmol, Howery, Sadmarjizda) but who can lose their control at anytime and really can’t be trusted.
Let me put it this way—- they have 4 Brad Lidges or 4 Veras’. Rarely will they have clean innings, but they can lock you down. Other times they will lose it.
Enough with this Japan scouting business I want Cash to scout tomorrows game 2 NLDS and watch the guy we should be going after. Cash failed miserably with Igawa and Boston got a tremendous pitcher. Stay away from Japan until Darvish is ready for posting.
AL –
apparently Gene Micheals went to Japan to scout Darvish earlier this month if you didnt know.
Hah, I don’t know Rebecca. The Brewers and St. Louis pen can give the Mets’ pen a run for their money.
Although highly unlikely, imagine if Torre and the Dodgers beat Boston in the World Series.
Although highly unlikely, imagine if Torre and the Dodgers beat Boston in the World Series.
Mike Mussina’s brother posted on his own blog that he thinks Moose was mentally prepared to retire but he thinks it will ultimately be too hard for Moose to walk away after such a good year and being so close to 300.
“i would rather be locked ina room with a cub fan than a sux fan any day, but i see your point lol ”
Same here, only because if I were locked in a room with a Red Sox fan, I would beat the crap out of them and then have to go to jail. With a Cubs fan, I can just ignore them…like I do now.
Rebecca
i used to use this qoute for the red sux
“There is no such thing as a curse, its possible that you’ve just sucked for a really really long time.”
lol so no curse, just suckiness haha
Maybe the cubs and their fans should do some sort of voodoo ritual tomorrow?
I don’t think the priest and his blessing worked
Betsy
How is Fiensand’s opinion anymore valid than the guys who say Hughes is a #3? If you survey enough people, you can find anyone to give you the answer you are looking for. Scouting is totally subjective. Similarly, you think Olney is just giving an opinion, how do you know Fiensand isin’t either?
Scorpio: Yeah, but for 100 years?
That’s more than just sucking.
That message w/ the middle finger to people against REBUILDING is brought to you by Brian Cashman.
“Anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> Mets bullpen.”
I don’t know. MIL has Gagne. He blows big time. Can you believe that scrub has a WS ring? Unreal.
If Torre even wins a round, I suggest you stay away from all papers and sports media for a long time.
Watch the election coverage or something nightly instead of baseball or Sporscenter. It will be painful.
Just watch tomorrow the papers will have Torre’s face all over it. They love torturing us Yankee fans.
Gagne is so the poster boy for steroids.
The Cubs bring in Jason Marquee to pitch in relief?
Pinella lets Dempster stay in there after 3 straight walks?
Pinella has lost it.
“Al,
Why not run the team like the A’s and Twins when it comes to developing, and then spend like the Yankees to pull the occasional free agent prize, or trade developed talent for a mid-season kick in the pants.”
Thats how it SHOULD be done however Cash is taking the far development too seriously and forgetting about free agency completely.
“AL –
apparently Gene Micheals went to Japan to scout Darvish earlier this month if you didnt know.”
Gene Michaels, you mean the guy who should be the GM of this team?
The worst thing about having the playoffs on TBS has got to be those awful Frank TV commercials. They are worse than those gazillion Jeter Edge commercials we have to sit through on YES.
“Stick wanted the Santana trade. Daily News says Stick will be more active this off-season.
One thing that’s important to keep in mind: Even with Brian Cashman coming back as Yankee GM, Gene Michael figures to have a bigger say this winter on player personnel decisions. And Michael, as we all know, loves those high on-base percentage guys. (For the record, Holliday had a .405 on-base percentage away from Coors Field in ‘08.)
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/09/30/2008-09-30_yanks_must_bring_in_matt_holliday_ship_o.html”;
I’d rather have Manny for 2 or 3 years. You can’t beat a .430 Obp. or .485 obp for the second half.
This assuming we lose Abreu.
“Gagne is so the poster boy for steroids.”
Along with poster boy Varitek and our very own Pudge Rodriquez. At least Giambi was able to still produce once he got off the juice. Those guys were just left for dead.
PUDGE TRADE ENDED OUR SEASON
if you look at our pitching staff the second he became the #1 catcher, we lost it and fell out of it. sounds odd but its reality.
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Dude…. did you graduate High School?
“Correlation does not imply causation is a phrase used in the sciences and statistics to emphasize that correlation between two variables does not imply that one causes the other. Its negation, correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship.
LMAO laura i actually think those frank tv commercials are funny
i change the channel when that jeter edge commercial comes on, i practically know the lines by heart, and that is very sad lol
Cubs catch a break.
Cashman made it sound like he wants to go into the season with Joba as the #5 and 4 proven, reliable starters in front of him.
I think that will be either Wang, FA, trade, Pettitte, Joba. or Wang, 2 FAs, Pettitte, Joba. Or Wang, Mussina, Pettitte, FA, Joba.
Cashman mentioned nothing about a ST competition. It looks like he isin’t going down that road again and wants to ensure we have a dominant pitching staff.
For those of you in favor of bringing Manny here, can you explain something to me? This is a serious question; I’m not trying to be obnoxious. Why would you want a guy, who plays when he wants to play and sits when he wants to sit, on the Yankees? This is a guy who assaulted an old man when he didn’t get his way. This is a guy who quit on his team when he didn’t get what he wanted from management. How could someone like that possibly be a good thing for the Yankees? Why would you want to contaminate something you supposedly love with that vermin?
The worst thing about having the playoffs on TBS has got to be those awful Frank TV commercials.
Agreed. Those commercials drove me crazy last year and are doing the same thing already today.
Rebecca, I’m not saying the Cubs are not cursed but in reference to this game, they just sucked.
Remember those t-shirts NYY fans used to wear about the Red Sox: “There was no curse, you just stunk for 86 years!”
LOL.
“The worst thing about having the playoffs on TBS has got to be those awful Frank TV commercials. They are worse than those gazillion Jeter Edge commercials we have to sit through on YES.”
With only a slight edge on Viva Viagra. I often wonder what dads tell their young sons who may be watching games and ask what Viagra is. So much for apple pie and motherhood. It’s now only about $$$$$.
Yeah. The Cubs are cursed.
Game over. Dodgers win
Al,
Stick WOULD be the GM if he wanted it. There is a reason Hank told Pinella he had a job waiting for him as an adviser when he retired… he is the guy who will replace Cashman if he doesn’t produce a winner soon.
Lets go LA.
Zambrano in a must win tomorrow
Cubs fans will be on suicide watch if they ever lost game 2.
“The worst thing about having the playoffs on TBS has got to be those awful Frank TV commercials. They are worse than those gazillion Jeter Edge commercials we have to sit through on YES.”
The All-star line-up of bad commercials would be as follows: Frank TV, Jeter’s Edge, Free-credit report, Geico Cavemen. Gos I watch too much TV I need a new hobby.
2 games down one game to go
lets go angels!
Ok. Guys and Gals we can talk Hot-Stove once the sux get eliminated. Go Halos!!!
Cubs needed this game.
Billingsly tomorrow against Zombrano with a cranky shoulder.
They will go up 2-0 in Wrigley. Cubs continue the curse.
If you can’t win with this Cubs team, when will you ever win?
James Loney is a stud 1B, he’s the reason LA won’t be a quick out in this playoff series, I still believe Aramis Ramirez and Geovanny Soto will prove to be too much for the Dodgers.
100 Years of Sucking has got to make Chicago a very depressing place to be around come the end of October.
Sad to see Sori up to his old tricks. He is his most unclutch in the postseason, when it really counts.
Al,
I will not be comfortable until the Dodgers are eliminated too. After that, I can relax. Francessa is going to put on a Torre love fest tomorrow.
“100 Years of Sucking has got to make Chicago a very depressing place to be around come the end of October.”
Yes, especially since I continue to remind them of it every chance I get. It’s so funny – they will get on me about how the Yankees haven’t won since 2000. I’m like – Dude, 2000 was a hell of a lot more recent than 1908!!!
I wish we had a stud like Loney at 1st.
All we have is the overhyped Miranda
CASHMAN PLEASE GET US A REAL 1B THIS OFF-SEASON! A CORNERSTONE PLAYER!
Not sure why Yankee fans want the Dodgers to lose so badly. I wish nothing but the best for Torre and I like a lot of the young players on the Dodgers. It’d be really cool to see them go on a big run through the playoffs. They looked pretty good tonight, I’m certainly rooting for them.
For a fanbase and team that hasn’t won in so long, Cubs fans are delusional, arrogant, and obnoxious. They act like Sox fans. I can only imagine how bad it will be when they finally do win.
“Al,
I will not be comfortable until the Dodgers are eliminated too. After that, I can relax. Francessa is going to put on a Torre love fest tomorrow.”
Fatcessa has no legitimacy. This is the same guy who romances Bronson Arroyo publicly every afternoon and said that Santana is out of Sabathia’s league. I swear Mike doesn’t watch baseball and just forms opinions based on who he has a personal crush on.
How is Viagra commercials any more obnoxious and sickening tan being bombarded by the continuous female personal products?
“100 Years of Sucking has got to make Chicago a very depressing place to be around come the end of October.”
Boy I’ll say. I wonder if they’ve brought goats to any of their postseason games – other than the players that is.
Weren’t they something like three outs away from winning in the NLCS when that kid grabbed the ball from Moises Alou?
If we miss out on CC, why not someone like Freddy Garcia, Paul Byrd, or Jon Lieber? An innings eater who can be had for the minimum.
Maybe Ellsb*ry will
homer to lead off
the game.
“How is Viagra commercials any more obnoxious and sickening tan being bombarded by the continuous female personal products?”
GB, I’m not crazy about those either.
53 people voted for the Red Sox for their playoff favorites?
53 trolls.
Sea Net: because we’re looking for someone that can anchor the rotation.
How are Viagra commercials
GB 7 –
I was wondering why air viagra commericals during the postsesaon? I bet Selig has something to do with it.
Cashman needs to put a winner on the field also to get the media off Girardi’s back. You are doing him no favors by giving him a flawed team and asking him to turn water into wine. The media will hound him and if he doesn’t win the players will alienate him too. If you are committed to Girardi and care about him, make sure you win next year and do everything possible to put a championship caliber team on the field.
If you wanted to rebuild, should have just kept Torre. Atleast the players and media wouldn’t turn the team into a circus like they did this year.
GO ANGELS!
If Mike Francessa was a manager of a MLB team, would he sip Diet Coke in the dugout like Torre sipped Green Tea? Would he get a doctor to tell MLB it is a medical condition and he needs Diet Coke at all times?
i agree if we got someone like James Loney i would be an extreme;y happy yankee fan
or texeria, i wont be picky lol
Laura, contaminate? Are you serious?
Gary Sheffield? Jason Giambi? Andy Pettitte? David Justice? Darryl Strawberry? Dwight Gooden? Roger Clemens?
This is all that matters:
.332 37 121 .430 .601
Not every Yankee player is a saint.
“If we miss out on CC, why not someone like Freddy Garcia, Paul Byrd, or Jon Lieber? An innings eater who can be had for the minimum.”
Your sense of humor is very special.
The Angels and Red Sox are the two most complete teams in the playoffs IMO. Too bad this isn’t a 7 game series, it should be a great match up.
They better have those obnoxious rally monkeys ready to go!
Enjoy the game all. Let’s all hope for a Sux blood bath.
I have an early appointment in the morning so likely won’t make it through this whole game.
We don’t need bottom of the rotation starters. If we did, we’d just give the ball to Hughes.
We need an ACE. A guy who can anchor the rotation and take pressure off everyone. A guy who can standup to the Becketts and Lackeys of the world. A guy who can stop losing streaks and take the team on his back like Santana did for the Mets. Someone who the team can look to during desperate times.
Thats why we need CC or to trade for an ace.
This Bon-Jovi is making me want to hang myself.
ER,
Ellsbury will hit a 2-run HR to leadoff the game
So the good John Lackey is showing up tonight, and not the one we have seen in recent weeks right?
“Gary Sheffield? Jason Giambi? Andy Pettitte? David Justice? Darryl Strawberry? Dwight Gooden? Roger Clemens?”
Except for Sheffield they were all team players who put the team first and never pulled any disappearing acts when they didn’t get their own way. Manny is the opposite.
That’s the difference.
Vlad will hit a 3 run double at some point and Tori Hunter is dangerous come playoff time.
“The Angels and Red Sox are the two most complete teams in the playoffs IMO. Too bad this isn’t a 7 game series, it should be a great match up.”
Yeh too bad half the sox pieces are injured.
“I was wondering why air viagra commericals during the postsesaon?”
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Lots of old men watching TV wishing they were young again.
Cashman and Hank both said they made a lot of mistakes and need to evaluate and make sure they don’t happen again. Cashman meant last winter and Hank said over the past 5-6 years. So they do have a common goal afterall
the Angels better be playing with a darned chip on their shoulder and not roll up lame like the cubs.
I am so bummed that I’m watching the playoffs without the Yankees.
I know we’ve gone over this before but I REALLY can’t imagine why Sux fans wouldn’t want to hang out with their own during the postseason.
But in any event, good luck with vtred and ER, Yankee fans.
GO ANGELS!
E-Man,
The only player on that list who caused clubhouse problems was Sheffield. The rest of them, while they had their personal issues, were/are loved in that clubhouse.
I think perhaps us not making the playoffs will be the biggest blessing this team has had ina while. I have noticed the combativness of players, manager ad front office especially Chasman really come through over the past week.
I think even though we got knocked out the past few years in the first round many including the players took making the playoffs for granted.
It is nice to see that hunger and anger once again.
Oh God!
Oh man. It’s this really horrible announcer.
“That ball is playable….AND IT’S OFF THE WALL!”
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Head, meet desk.
Hunter’s numbers in the division series:
2006 vs. OAK – .273 (HR, 2 RBI)
2004 vs. NYY – .353 (HR, 2 RBI)
2003 vs. NYY – .429 (HR, 2 RBI)
2002 vs. OAK – .300 (3 doubles, 2 RBIs)
I am so bummed that I’m watching the playoffs without the Ya