AFL starts play tomorrow
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The Arizona Fall League starts play tomorrow and runs through Nov. 20. So why should you as a Yankee fan care about that?
RHP Phil Hughes
OF Austin Jackson
1B Juan Miranda
RHP Humberto Sanchez
RHP Jeff Marquez
RHP Kevin Whelan
INF Kevin Russo
That’s why. Those seven players are on the roster of the Peoria Javelinas. Hughes, Sanchez and Miranda all have a shot to make the team out of spring training next season. Jackson will be knocking loudly on the door and Marquez and Whelan are projectable pitchers who could be very solid prospects if they can stay healthy.
The pitching coach for Peoria is Scott Aldred, who did a great for Trenton this season.
For Hughes, the AFL is a chance to get another 35-40 innings under his belt against top-notch competition. Sanchez can continue his comeback from surgery and Miranda will get a shot to show whether he’s a real prospect or not.
You can follow the league on its site every day. The Peoria schedule is here.
Talked to Phil during the last week of the season and he agreed to do an interview or two while he’s in Arizona. I’m also hoping to talk to Austin while he is there.
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Chad Jennings
Sam Borden
Is Kennedy out of Yanks plans?
What could we possibly get for a package of Duncan, Rasner, Betemit, and Britton?
We need to create some room on the 40 man and make a 4-1 deal. What could we get for those 4 players?
“Is Kennedy out of Yanks plans?”
If he is, he probably isn’t too upset about it. He doesn’t believe in letting the fact that he sucks effect him.
Oddesy,
Basically nothing…
What kind of prospect is Jeff Marquez?
K guy? Ground Ball pitcher?
“What could we possibly get for a package of Duncan, Rasner, Betemit, and Britton?”
$100.
After losing the Brickyard Showdown, Kennedy said he had filthy stuff that night.
“What could we possibly get for a package of Duncan, Rasner, Betemit, and Britton”
The key to the batter’s box
Pete this is for you.
Is Gardner playing winter ball? If so why not, he needs to learn how to hit
so anyways.
i am glad i do not coach the yanks.
yanks suck balls.
coulda have gotten johan for melky, cano, and hughes.
enough said..
Gardner is going to try to bunt for hits everytime he comes up.
Can’t wait to hear from Austin.
I haven’t seen this comment on here in a while if ever but does anyone else think the Division Series is way too short? Seems like a team with 100 wins should at least get to play a 7 game series.
The postseason every year seems like a crapshoot. ESPN picking the cubs to go all the way on day 1 and look at them now. Same with the yankees last couple of years. (Hopefully Angels can hold on a bit longer)
“What could we possibly get for a package of Duncan, Rasner, Betemit, and Brittonâ€
I’m sure you could pry away Roy Halladay for that package. The Jays might even throw in Rios.
Big mistake by the Yankees not pitching Joba in the AFL. This basically means that he will not start next year as his IP count will be 130 tops.
“I haven’t seen this comment on here in a while if ever but does anyone else think the Division Series is way too short? Seems like a team with 100 wins should at least get to play a 7 game series.”
7 games would level the playing field some, although I have a feeling that the Cubs would have gotten swept no matter how many games they played. With a short series, whoever is hot at the time is going to win regardless of how they played in the regular season.
“I haven’t seen this comment on here in a while if ever but does anyone else think the Division Series is way too short?”
depends which year you ask me. last year, i thought the division series’ was too short and the championship series too long. they should have reversed the lengths of the 2
Yeah I know it definitely does depend on the year but I think its a bit unfair to teams who put together a solid season. 162 games is a lot
Joba needs innings more than Hughes, Marquez, Sanchez etc.
It is a disgrace that they are babying him this much. 130 innings, guess that means a whole lot of Darrell Rasner in the rotation to preserve Joba’s innings.
I think Joba’s not pitching in the AFL because he has too much service time to qualify, no?
Beautiful logo. with the baseball rising out of the mountains like the sun.
this may be a stupid question, but why do they call the one that starts up first (hawaii), winter league, and this one, fall league?
really depends on how healthy shelly Duncan is….if he is healthy enough to fight rick flare then I don’t think I. Make any trade involving him
Thanks, Pete!
I’m excited to see how Phil does in the AFL. If he gains consistency with his FB command and curve, and if his change develops, then no matter the pitching lines, Phil will have been very successful. I’m looking forward to those interviews…!
The Caribbean Winter League starts on October 10th too. The Venezuelan
They need to re-name the leagues.
Does the money on the buyouts (Pavano, Giambi, etc) count toward the payroll re the luxury tax? and if so, does it go on 2008 or 2009? anyone know?
If the Yankees truly plan on getting Joba into the rotation next year, the decision to keep him out of the AFL will set him back 1 year in development. If Joba would have gotten say an additional 40 innings this year in the AFL leaving his IP at 140 IP, then next year he could have pitched 170 innings had the Yankees decided to start him. Now he can only pitch 130 next year tops and then 170 in 2010 so essentially it will be 2011 until he can hit 200 IP.
X-Mann,
They need to find a way to get Joba his innings somehow, he is our most important pitcher next year. It’s not like he reached his cap, he barely threw over 100 this year.
If he doesn’t qualify for the AFL then send him to Dominican Instructs… thats usually where teams send their prospects to work on things like strengthening out mechanics or working on refining pitches, or if they want him to get some innings in a stress free environment.
Al,
This organization hasn’t exactly shown that they know how to handle young pitchers or develop them properly. Not surprising they omitted Joba from winter-ball. He needs it more than any of the other young pitchers, yet he doesn’t go.
CC is a very good pitcher, but people here are WAY overrating him:
Career ERA+
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Santana: 144
Halladay: 131
Sabathia: 121
Wang: 116
So, according to people here, Wang is not even an Ace (which may be true), but you are willing to give CC, Santana type money and 7-8 years, for an ERA+ 5 pts higher then Wang?
We call that desperation.
We already have a solid 1-2 in Wang/Joba. Will Phil be a solid #3? My guess is Cashman would rather get 2 solid #3 types with 3-5 year contracts and pay a little more then CC alone costs. Then we would have 5 solid starters and flexibility.
AGAIN: This team needs position players more then pitching.
AFL is a hitters league anyway, teams send their best pitchers to Hawaii.
Eric Duncan won the MVP of the AFL, that shows you how much of a bandbox it is.
“EDUB
October 6th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I haven’t seen this comment on here in a while if ever but does anyone else think the Division Series is way too short? Seems like a team with 100 wins should at least get to play a 7 game series”
I definitely believe the 5-game series should be changed to 7. If it results in the season running too long, then shorten the 162 schedule, by 2-4 games.
in years past, they never played 162 anyway. Playing 158 instead of 162 is academic.
Does anyone know if Gardner or Christian is playing this Fall/Winter?
Old Yanks fan:
It’s weird that people are so quick to think of CC as an Ace and not Wang.
I know Wang has struggled in the postseason, but CC’s record isn’t exactly spotless, either.
“AGAIN: This team needs position players more then pitching.”
Actually, they need both.
“AGAIN: This team needs position players more then pitching.â€
Watching Rasner, Ponson, and Pavano this year begs to differ…
Agree
Teixeria > CC
Joba can be the ace, Wang the #2. Just sign Derek Lowe to stabilize the middle and eat innings.
The team scores 200 less runs than last year, has not hit a lick in the postseason since game 3 of 2004 (including getting shut down by juggernauts like Washburn, Kenny Rogers, Paul Byrd etc.) yet people are clamoring to give a Wang-clone $160 million dollars. Priorities are not in order.
Tom
October 6th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
What could we possibly get for a package of Duncan, Rasner, Betemit, and Britton?
“The key to the batter’s box”
: )
oldyankfan, is Jake Peavy an ACE? career ERA+ is at 121 for him, as well…
saucY,
Don’t know how long AFL’s been around (website says “several years ago”, but Hawaii Winter Baseball started up in 1993. Folded from ‘98-’05.
There’s only 2 seasons in Hawaii. Summer and winter.
I’d try to buy Fukudome on the cheap and plug him in RF
If Joba is healthy next season, he’ll pitch 150-160 innings next year not 130.
mel: there’s such a thing as winter in Hawaii?
What’s cold for you guys? 65?
How cold does it get in the winter in Hawaii? 50?
“Jorge Tabata
October 6th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I’d try to buy Fukudome on the cheap and plug him in RF”
too late, according to mike & mike. Day after the Cubs collapse, Fukodome was being paged over the PA system at O’Hare airport, informing him he had been traded to the cincinatti reds. For a player to be named later.
Frankly I think CC Satbathia is just starting to peak…..His accumilated innings I do not see as an issue, as I see him as a throw back pitcher…I am not endorsing pitching him every fourth day, but he’s very strong ( legs ) and he just slings his pitches so effortlessly ….You just have to make him the prime target this winter…He’s a shut out pitcher, and he’s a lefty….
Joba threw 112 innings last year between all 4 stops. He threw only 100 this year.
They are doing him a disservice by not pitching him in winter ball. He should have gotten 142 this year.
“This team needs position players more then pitching.”
This offseason the FO should focus on pitching
its harder to find/get good pitching.
Where would the Yankees have been this year if they had a league average pitcher as the 4th and 5th starter?
On Offense, above league average players are easier to find and acquire.
One season is spring/summer, the second is fall/winter but the months don’t run like yours. Winter’s like cool/wet weather from November to April. Summer is hot/dry weather from May to October. Give or take.
Cold is high 50’s/low 60’s and it won’t hit that until December/January.
It’s the 6th of October. It’s overcast and 80 degrees. Seriously.
Pat M:
have to agree. We didn’t get Santana. Roll the dice, and give offer CC the contract. If it turns into a Bartolo Colon situation, then it does. NYY has the $$$, to cover it.
if CC is not the big game pitcher we need/hope, others will be on the way via the farm. At the very least, he will give us +++ innings. An element Burnett will not provide.
The pitching will resolve itself. We really do need position players. We need a RF, 1B, and CF.
CC is a lefty version of Wang. Not worth $160 million.
Those innings will take a toll on his arm. Burnett is less of risk. For one, he will demand 3 less years and far less money. Secondly, you know what the expectations are with him. An excellent #2 starter with #1 potential– not the guy who is going to save the franchise like CC will be portrayed as. Thirdly, he has pitched in the AL East and knows the division and likes NY.
Rays 3-0
: )
mel you live in Hawaii? where are you from originally?
“Compton
October 6th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
CC is a lefty version of Wang. Not worth $160 million.
Those innings will take a toll on his arm. Burnett is less of risk. For one, he will demand 3 less years and far less money. Secondly, you know what the expectations are with him. An excellent #2 starter with #1 potential– not the guy who is going to save the franchise like CC will be portrayed as. Thirdly, he has pitched in the AL East and knows the division and likes NY”
you make a very compelling case.
I kind of hate you right now, you know… :-p
We need some young position players, we have none in our system outside of Jackson. And even he is a nice player, not a superstar prospect.
Thats why Teixeria is a must sign. A gold glove, switch hitting 1st baseman who is only 28 and can hit for power, average, and is a grinder. When in the world are we going to develop a guy like that? Romine is the closest 2-way player we have after Jackson and he is 3-4 years away.
Getting CC means nothing if you bring back this same aging offense (minus Big G and Abreu, mind you) that scored 200 less runs than we did in 07 and that has flopped in the postseason. You need balance. Can’t neglect the offense and think CC will come in and solve all the team’s problems.
It’s difficult to imagine that Kennedy won’t be part of a package in a winter deal.
If he truly wanted to be part of the Yankees plans he would have asked to go to a Fall League and at least work on his secondary pitches.
“Burnett is less of risk. For one, he will demand 3 less years and far less money. Secondly, you know what the expectations are with him. An excellent #2 starter with #1 potential– not the guy who is going to save the franchise like CC will be portrayed as. Thirdly, he has pitched in the AL East and knows the division and likes NY”
Burnett is not less of a risk. He’s a 32 year old pitcher with a long history of arm trouble.
He’s pitched 200 inings 3 times including this year. After his two previous years of 200ip he missed time on the deal with elbow and shoulder problems.
Lets give a pitcher, who at 32, has yet to put together consecutive seasons of being healthy 18million dollars per-season for 5 years.
*Time on the DL* (thats what i get for posting while angry)
“We need some young position players, we have none in our system outside of Jackson.”
Jesus Montero, Austin Romine, and Brandon Laird would like to talk to you.
Kim Jones will be doing the full show with Francessa tomorrow
That should be fun.
Ian Kennedy = non prospect
Tom: Indeed, they would
Vtred: Bah, why do I leave my 7 page papers for the night before they’re do?
Burnett should only be in play if we don’t get CC, or in addition to CC. You don’t go for Burnett if CC is available and willing to come to NYC.
I can see some fireworks in tomorrow’s show. Francessa’s ego will not take too kind to a women fighting him off and challenging him.
Ian Nobody is trade bait, once he gets his trade value up.
In ST next season, he will make the comment that he pitched well at the big league level last year and deserves to make the team out of ST.
“oldyankfan, is Jake Peavy an ACE? career ERA+ is at 121 for him, as well…”
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An interesting question. Peavy has pitched his career in a weak hitting league. What’s odd is that he had 3 years with a sub 100 ERA+ and 4 years where he’s averaged almost a 150+ ERA+. So he’s either a mental case or has had a few years with either an injury or a mechanical problem not addressed? Peavy also has 400 IP LESS then CC and is a year younger.
Again, CC (and Peavy) are both fine pitchers. But paying CC the same as Santana and giving him 7-8 years is not smart business… but a typical knee-jerk…. “WE NEED TO WIN NOW (screw the future) BUY THE BEST GUYS NO MATTER THE COST!” reaction. It’s like giving JD Drew, ARod money for 7 years.
Also, considering we already have 2 YOUNG excellent pitchers, a number of quality arms on the farm, but very few position players on the farm, I think overpaying in both money and years for a pitcher is questionable. I’m not saying it’s dumb…. just something that needs to be thought about carefully.
Is there any doubt that Hughes will dominate these minor leaguers? Still doesn’t show he can do it against major leaguers.
Tom,
He said 2-way players and he’s right. Montero and Laird don’t have a position and wherever they do play, they will be defensive liabilities. They can hit, thats it.
Kennedy is flat out terrible. The kid has less makeup than Ed Whitson and Kenny Rogers.
nyc have more charasmatic people, then any other city in the nation. Right down, to the everyday people on the street.
yet Mike Francessa gets to have a 5 hour talk show, every day.
strange.
I don’t believe I’m over-rating CC. I’m pretty much of a pragmatist and from what I’ve seen over the last few seasons, very few pitchers are of the quality I cut my baseball teeth on (Seaver, Gibson, late 60’s early 70’s guys). I know, for instance, that in the AL East, CC’s ERA will go up at least 1 to 1.2 runs. At least. I know he won’t pitch shut-outs and I know he won’t pitch CGs.
However, he is a quality lefty in Yankee Stadium, and that makes him pretty valuable.
I think as long as people don’t expect him to be the second coming, they won’t be disappointed by what they get. Frankly, I think Wang will show to be better overall. But CC will strike more people out and get the most “ink” or “talk.”
Kim Jones all day on the FAN with Francesa? That might be worth watching for a while anyway. I’d like to see what the dynamic is.
Looks like the Rays are on their way…
hughes and kennedy can dominate minor leaguers but they melt when they face real ML hitters
they must prove they are not just AAAA pitchers. neither have anything to learn in the minors, look at their minor league numbers they look like clemens.
CC’s ERA + w/ Indians from 2006 till he was traded = 133
Wang in the same period = 117
I don’t think it’s fair to take career ERA+ into account since CC started pitching in the AL at the age of 20, instead these ERA+ numbers roughly represent the same period for both pitchers.
I also this it’s a pointless argument to call CC a lefty version of Wang, but maybe that’s just me. Should we all just be happy we have the opportunity to have 3 front line starters next year in Wang, CC, & Joba, with the possibility of Hughes living up to potential as well.
if Boston survives the Angels. The Rays will make it very intersting, for them.
why do people still talk about kennedy like he is some good pitcher? if he was on the red sox, we would taunt him for how much he sucks and how we are salivating at the thought of facing him, like we do for timlin.
cashman is the only person on the planet who thinks he is any good. right handed igawa.
Olney on Sportscenter – Predicted CC would find a team in California this off-season and take the best deal he got from them.
“We call that desperation.
We already have a solid 1-2 in Wang/Joba. Will Phil be a solid #3? My guess is Cashman would rather get 2 solid #3 types with 3-5 year contracts and pay a little more then CC alone costs. Then we would have 5 solid starters and flexibility.
AGAIN: This team needs position players more then pitching.”
Wrong. This team needs CC. Wang is a very solid 2 not an Ace. Ace is a pitcher who can dominate a ball-game with strikeouts and overall swing and miss capabilities. Sure Wang has a good change-up that gets swings and misses, however he is primarily a groundball pitcher who is best suited as a 2. Shoe-horning Wanger into the Ace role isn’t going to help him as he comes back off of a serious injury. Joba should not be mentioned as anything yet because he will not even be able to throw 200 IP until 2011 so calling him an Ace or even a 2 is severely premature. CC is a must not a greedy desire, this rotation needs anchoring. Something Boston and Tampa have are Aces Beckett and Kazmir are true aces Wang is a tremendous pitcher who eats innings and wins a ton of games however he is not the true definition of an ace.
“wolf man (2008 is over)
October 6th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
why do people still talk about kennedy like he is some good pitcher? if he was on the red sox, we would taunt him for how much he sucks and how we are salivating at the thought of facing him, like we do for timlin.
cashman is the only person on the planet who thinks he is any good. right handed igawa”
basically. Either Tyler Clippard is underated. Or Ian Kennedy is overrated.
thanks for responding, OYF. though i think it’s tough to evaluate a career ERA+ when looking at how a pitcher may perform for you.
CC has had an ERA+ of 140 or greater the past 3 seasons. prior to that, he was putting together league average seasons for the most part. a little better than league average, if anything.
is there any reason to think he would regress to one of these league average type seasons at this point? i don’t think so. he’s already learned how to pitch. it took him longer, but he’s there.
“Montero and Laird don’t have a position and wherever they do play, they will be defensive liabilities. They can hit, thats it.”
Considering they are 18 yrs old and I will bet you have NEVER seen them play an inning, I don’t see how can make that lame argument.
But hey, the more power to ya.
It’s funny how people find guys like Kennedy and Clippard who can barely throw 90 with no out pitch and guys who nibble and mask their flaws by using adjectives like “smart”, “knows how to pitch”, “polished” etc.
Basically, it’s the nice way of telling a young pitcher he sucks.
but i think your point was that CC is not worth a santanana-like contract. and that i can probably agree with. CC’s agent and the current pitching market may not.
TD,
Did you see Montero at the futures game? He is a statue out there. Slow as you can be and limited range/mobility.
His value is his stick. If you put him at 1B, he will be Giambi. He isin’t winning gold gloves. Go find anyone who watched Montero play and they will tell you that.
Wang lost to CC in Game 1 last yr.
Please end all this talk about them being on the same level.
When push can to shove Wang didn’t perform like an ace. Stats won’t help your case.
Because you, Wilson, have seen Montero for more than an inning in an all star game, right?
Give us all a break here and stop reading random net reports as gospel.
The kids are under 20. Let them get to Double A before you post nonsense saying they are useless.
TD – I saw them play in person in Savannah. Trust me, neither of them are good defensive players. They are both stiffs out there. They have incredible power though. Neither has a true position and will be Matsui-like wheverever they play.
Pinstripes Plus echoed those statements, TD. Those guys saw him play.
“Al
October 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Wang lost to CC in Game 1 last yr.
Please end all this talk about them being on the same level.
When push can to shove Wang didn’t perform like an ace. Stats won’t help your case.”
if this is the same playoff series i watched, neither did CC.
“What could we possibly get for a package of Duncan, Rasner, Betemit, and Britton?”
A package of AAA fodder will get you a package of AAA fodder….nothing more.
TD, sounds like you know nothing about these guys. Montero is a huge man, think Carlos Delgado at 1st. He isin;t going to win any gold gloves but his value is his huge bat.
Question is, who would you rather have AJ or Lowe…….CC or no CC, one of these two pitcher will come into play at some point…..
AJ
Meaningless Stats:
So you put one at first base and the other at DH.
If either of those guys (Montero or Laird) Mo turns into a stud offensive player they’d be more valuable than a jack-of-five-tools-master-of-none player.
Is Corey Hart more valuable than Ryan Braun?
from watching them in person, both of those guys are very slow and have limited range.
laird is a DH at this level, imo. montero though could still stick behind the plate.
neither will be good defenders, romine has all the tools to be though at catcher. he looks like a stud
Who cares how good Montero or Laird is in the field? Neither of them are good fielders, just plug one of them at 1st. They’ll make the routine plays and hit the cover off the ball.
I’m with you Vinny-b
“It’s difficult to imagine that Kennedy won’t be part of a package in a winter deal.
If he truly wanted to be part of the Yankees plans he would have asked to go to a Fall League and at least work on his secondary pitches.”
It’s hard to imagine why the Yankees are not asking him to get some more innings in during the Fall/Winter leagues (if this is true). They must fear that his value might drop even further.
CC is an ace. We need him. Cashman cannot use the “Joba is the ace, Wang is the 2, Hughes could be the #3″ in his line of thinking.
Money is no object. It all depends how much he wants to come to NY. We must outbid the WC teams by a fairly decent amount.
Laird = Shelly Duncan. I don’t know why people are going gaga over him.
I’m sure the same guys who say Laird and Montero are terrible athletes are the same who thought Ian Kennedy would be a frontline pitcher.
i love how anonymous people on a blog refer to a 23 year old who has already pitched in the majors and made a million dollars as ian nobody. If he never pitches in the majors again and he undoubtedly will he’s already a success.
No GM should ever slot in pitchers by category.
Your goal should be to have 5 aces. That’s it. You win with great pitching.
“i love how anonymous people on a blog refer to a 23 year old who has already pitched in the majors and made a million dollars as ian nobody. If he never pitches in the majors again and he undoubtedly will he’s already a success.”
Oh God. No one here cares about his monetary situation and the fact that his kids will be taken care of.
He’s called ian nobody by people because hes overrated, arrogant, and has no guts.
But I’m sure he’s a real nice kid from a good family and will give generously to charity.
“i love how anonymous people on a blog refer to a 23 year old who has already pitched in the majors and made a million dollars as ian nobody. If he never pitches in the majors again and he undoubtedly will he’s already a success.”
then you must really think highly of Carl Pavano.
“What could we possibly get for a package of Duncan, Rasner, Betemit, and Britton?â€
And people wonder why no one takes most internet reports/comments seriously.
“i love how anonymous people on a blog refer to a 23 year old who has already pitched in the majors and made a million dollars as ian nobody. If he never pitches in the majors again and he undoubtedly will he’s already a success.â€
raymagnetic walks around with a Pavano jersey.
I have no idea how Ian Kennedy is going to end up. I wonder how so many can write his future already.
Apparently no one here was ever young, unsure of themselves and thrown into a situation where they were over their head, reacting to it with a false bravado.
He’s a kid. He surely isn’t a no-talent nothing. Perhaps he will improve, perhaps he won’t but it really irks me how people are so, well, mean.
TurnTables
October 6th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
TD – I saw them play in person in Savannah. Trust me, neither of them are good defensive players. They are both stiffs out there. They have incredible power though. Neither has a true position and will be Matsui-like wheverever they play.
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What position was Laird playing, then? Laird has become a very good first baseman after spending most of his time last year and the first 8 weeks this year at third base. I watched these kids play in about 75 games this year. Laird’s defense is not an issue, and Montero’s defense far outshown Romine’s. He needs some work digging out low pitches, but he can catch. Since Torre Tyson called the pitches from the bench most of the time, that’s what Montero and Romine will be working on. Romine has not been good, either throwing out runners (though, that’s because pitchers seldom hold runners in Low A ball) or blocking pitches in the dirt. He’s not as good as Montero is a low pitches. Love reading the so-called evaluations of people that see these kids once or never. They read the numbers and read BS from others. The catching deficiencies of Montero and Romine can be fixed by Pena. Keep in mind that the low minors only have three coaches on the team.
Any thoughts on moving Nady before we have to pay him 13+ a year?
Let’s go Rays! Stick it to them, to all the Sox of the world, regardless of their color!
steve
October 6th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
from watching them in person, both of those guys are very slow and have limited range.
laird is a DH at this level, imo. montero though could still stick behind the plate.
neither will be good defenders, romine has all the tools to be though at catcher. he looks like a stud
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You’re wrong on all counts.
GreenBeret:
I trust your reports.
thankful, you on this board.
GB: who’s the best pitching prospect on charleston?
I really don’t get the argument from the “avoid CC” crowd. So far for next year the Yankees have this in the starting rotation: Wang(coming off of a serious foot injury), Joba(with an IP count of around 130), Hughes(also with a strict IP count of 130-150), 2 probable retirees in their late 30’s, followed by the gorgeous array of AAA dregs Rasner, Ponson, IPK and Igawa. Anyone who thinks that sounds like a playoff caliber rotation should be committed. Adding a guy like Burnett who is always an injury risk is no way to fix a rotation that far-gone they need at least 2 FA pitchers and one of them needs to be named CC Sabathia. Thats the truth say what you like about giving out big contracts to FA pitchers but getting a middle of the rotation starter will not be an adequate band-aid for this weak rotation.
Evening everyone
I wish Phil all the best while he is pitching in the AFL. I’ll be following.
So, looks like this might be it for the white sox. Oh well
“I really don’t get the argument from the “avoid CC†crowd.”
Me either. The Yankees need a lefty in their rotation (I for one do not expect much from Pettite next year) and why not go after the best one out there. Last year we were battling with the thought of losing Hughes to get a stud lefty…now all it takes is money. A no brainer to me. Add Lowe into the mix and things look real good (CC, Joba, Wang, Lowe, Pettite/Mussina/Hughes).
vinny-b
October 6th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
GreenBeret:
I trust your reports.
thankful, you on this board.
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Vinny, I get a chance to watch a lot of these games, mainly because I live about a block from Grayson Stadium here in Savannah. I have a friend that is baseball crazy, too and we take his boat up the coast a little ways to Charleston and go to a lot of games at Joe Riley Park. We’re both retired military, so, we have the time to do this. If people have a chance to see this group of kids play, go to Tampa next year . They’ll light up the FSL during their stay. As long as they progress and stay healthy, Jonathan Ortiz (closer), Laird and either Montero or Romine, and maybe right fielder Austin Krum could be in Trenton by mid summer. They’re a must see. Laird and Montero have light tower power, but, they’re not hackers. They won’t walk a lot (right now) but they also don’t strike out much. Laird has a legitimate glove at first base.
GB7-
I had read, probably here, that there was a core group of players in Charleston that the Yankees were going to try to keep together. Any truth to that?
Why does everyone want Joba in the rotation?
Looks like Kerry Wood to me….he’s much better off in the bullpen as the setup guy until Mo retires…then you don’t have to worry about his innings and you make it a 7 inning game
Leave CC alone…he’s not coming here…well, unless we give him 25 million a year
“CC’s ERA + w/ Indians from 2006 till he was traded = 133
Wang in the same period = 117.
I don’t think it’s fair to take career ERA+ into account since CC started pitching in the AL at the age of 20.”
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This is true. However, CC has a 122 ERA+ at age 22, then 104 then 106.
But I believe CC is better then Wang. A full step up. And, I am not disagreeing with Doreen.
CC IS A VERY GOOD PITCHER.
But at $20m (and some think he will get more), he’s the 2nd hiestest paid pitcher. And that ain’t so bad if it’s 5 years. My point is not that CC isn’t excellent. My point is long term pitching contracts have historically not worked out.
Again, I’m not against CC. I just don’t know if I’m for him.
CHARLIE HORSE – you don’t want CC and you want Joba in the bullpen. What does your rotation look like?
Yankees would be crazy to keep Montero at C. His value is his bat. Find the best way to maximize it.
And Romine’s tools at C far exceed Monteros. Montero is still going to grow too. Romine could be an OF’er too with his cannon arm and athleticism. He probably could be a 3B too. Romine has the tools to be an elite fielder anywhere.
Tom
October 6th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
GB: who’s the best pitching prospect on charleston?
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Tom, they had some good, young pitchers, but the two that I liked most was left hander Wilkins De La Rosa and closer Jonathan Ortiz. Ryan Zink was impressive as was Betances after mid-season. These two throw hard as does De La Rosa. Herdia, Mcallister and Heyer (relief) were impressive, but, still have some things to learn. De La Rosa, as I said throws hard, with a very good slider/cutter, and both he and Ortiz have that “Bugs Bunny change-up”. Ortiz throws low 90’s but De La Rosa is 93-95 MPH.
I don’t think cc is going anywhere for less than 25mil per.
The Yankees need to let Joba pitch even if his shoulder isin;t 100%. Mussina and Pettitte have said they pitch with pain every start. They go through years when they are nicked up or not 100%. It is apart of the game.
It’s not like he is getting Pavano-like freek injuries like Hughes is, Joba is getting normal pitching injuries. Toughen him up, let him pitch.
Just such a nice job by the Rays. How sweet it would be, in my opinion anyway, if they can take this all the way. It still is so hard to imagine that this is the same team that basically brought up the bottom year after year. Goes to show what getting some really good draft picks can do for ya!
GO RAYS!!!
Santana is getting paid $23 million a year and he had to negotiate exclusively with NYM. No way CC asks for anything less than $25 million when he has the entire field to play from.
Oh yeah, GO ANGELS!!!
“CHARLIE HORSE – you don’t want CC and you want Joba in the bullpen. What does your rotation look like?”
Obviously he hasn’t given it much thought probably something like this: Wang, Pettitte, Aceves, Rasner, Hughes. Gee that looks like a killer rotation.
Rays can take Boston. They just have to remain calm and stay confident.
What a great story.
Yankee fans should face it, it is a transition year
I think Moose (close enough to 300) and Pettite (wants to pitch in the stadium) will be back…I’d like to see them trade for a “younger veteran”…Gil Meche???
Wang
Meche
Moose
Pettite
Hughes/Aceves
I know it doesn’t look as good as it would with CC…but what you going to do…at least its realistic
Al,
Can’t have any rotation without that young stud Kennedy in it!
Doreen
October 6th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
GB7-
I had read, probably here, that there was a core group of players in Charleston that the Yankees were going to try to keep together. Any truth to that?
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Probably as much as possible, Doreen, but Angelini may not progress as fast as a couple of others and De La Rosa has already moved up to Tampa and was lights out, remarkable because he’s a converted outfielder and has only been pitching a year and a half. Almonte (center fielder) will be behind the others too. Justin snyder’s value is his bat and versatility (most likely a utility type). The pitchers are pretty special, at least so far.
Charlie Horse– if thats our rotation moving into a new stadium, coming off a non-playoff year, with $88 million off the books…. then the Yankees might as well pack up and sell the team.
Ah, GB7, best laid plans, and all. Though, not surprising, since it would be very rare for a large group to advance at exactly the same pace.
By the way, for those of you watching the Rays, if you haven’t ever had the pleasure of listening to the loud excited barking of Sux broadcaster Don Orsillo, you are listening to him now, unless it’s his twin. However either TBS has turned down the sound 5 billion decibils, or someone told Orsillo to tone it down. Or he is so mesmerized by the Sux that he can’t help himself. Every freakin call he makes in a Sux game sounds like the winning hit in the last game of the world series. He’s nauseatingly annoying.
Remy, on the other hand, I could basically listen to all day.
I am praying that he isn’t getting the call in the next game!
“GreenBeret7
October 6th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Vinny, I get a chance to watch a lot of these games, mainly because I live about a block from Grayson Stadium here in Savannah. I have a friend that is baseball crazy, too and we take his boat up the coast a little ways to Charleston and go to a lot of games at Joe Riley Park. We’re both retired military, so, we have the time to do this. If people have a chance to see this group of kids play, go to Tampa next year . They’ll light up the FSL during their stay. As long as they progress and stay healthy, Jonathan Ortiz (closer), Laird and either Montero or Romine, and maybe right fielder Austin Krum could be in Trenton by mid summer. They’re a must see. Laird and Montero have light tower power, but, they’re not hackers. They won’t walk a lot (right now) but they also don’t strike out much. Laird has a legitimate glove at first base.
GB: thank you for the report. And the report on pitching. De La Rosa really sound impressive. As does, Ortiz. Do you believe Montero will remain at catcher, and one day be the NYY regular catcher?
GreenBeret, thank you.
Jeff
October 6th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Yankees would be crazy to keep Montero at C. His value is his bat. Find the best way to maximize it.
And Romine’s tools at C far exceed Monteros. Montero is still going to grow too. Romine could be an OF’er too with his cannon arm and athleticism. He probably could be a 3B too. Romine has the tools to be an elite fielder anywhere.
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So far, Montero has been the better defensive catcher of the two. That was supposed to be Romine’s strength when he was drafted. His bat so far is ahead of his glove. 3 games as a catcher in Hawaii so far and 3 passed balls. It was a major weakness in Charleston (18 in 54 games)
“Al,
Can’t have any rotation without that young stud Kennedy in it!”
Your right man I slept on our boy IPK. Heck lets get Kevin Brown out of retirement and go find what Aaron Small is doing these days, were really going for it next year!
Its not fair measuring whether a guy is an “ace” by looking at career ERA+. Lets look at the last 3 seasons..
Sabathia: 140, 143, 162
Santana: 161, 130, 163
Webb: 152, 156, 138
Peavy: 99, 159, 137
Halladay: 143, 120, 155
Wang: 124, 121, 106(prior to injury)
Beckett: 95, 145, 114
I’d say Sabathia should be considered an “ace” and Wang a very good #2.
People will come to a new stadium in the first year anyway…they did it in Pittsburgh when the team was in last place…its a lot better than it being empty in 2011-2015
Here’s the problem with getting CC. You already have the highest paid positional player on the league, thennnn you want to add the highest paid pitcher, and D Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis are sitting in the other dugout, chomping at the bit to show you why they make .5 mil and your player makes 25 mil…and how they still can beat you in the day, night, rain, snow, heat
How will the Tigers do next year? will a team similar to the Yanks return to respectable form?
Taking a boat to a baseball game sounds pretty awesome by itself.
And please nobody tell me that I can always take the Ferry to Staten Island.
Vinny, my opinion is just from what I’ve seen, but, contrary to what some think, Montero isn’t some fat kid with a big bat. He may be 6′4″ but he’s only 225 pounds. Not all that much different from Carlton Fisk. So, yeah, I like him a lot as a catcher, even though he has much to learn. He’s not a lumbering ox back there. Unless Laird is moved to a corner outfield (and I see no reason why he should be) he’s going to be a really good bat and a very good 1st baseman. Next year will be his first full season at first. Romine, I think could be an Elston Howard type and play both corner outfields and third/first as well as catch. He’s that athletic.
Bankrupt,
Laird does kind remind me of Shelly Duncan. Hit .273 with a bunch of HRs in Low A. .334 OBP, all or nothing masher. No position. We need to get away from players like this.
Montero so much better than him.
“Your right man I slept on our boy IPK.”
If you slept on Kennedy, which one of you woke up feeling stupid?
No problem, Tom. Happy to tell you what I’ve seen. I’m only a private scout (do it for my own pleasure), so, my opinion doesn’t matter much, but, depending on where you live, go see these kids. Some of the defense (Angekini and Snyder especially) will remind you of high school kids, but, then, at one time in the minors so did Jeter and his 55 errors at shortstop.
***Angelini and Snyder***
This is the same team who rushed Hughes and jocked Joba back and forth between the rotation and pen… you really think they will do the smart thing and move Montero to 1B? Not a chance.
“Here’s the problem with getting CC. You already have the highest paid positional player on the league, thennnn you want to add the highest paid pitcher, and D Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis are sitting in the other dugout, chomping at the bit to show you why they make .5 mil and your player makes 25 mil…and how they still can beat you in the day, night, rain, snow, heat”
So this is a reason to not go after the best pitcher available, to avoid embarrassment to Boston? Honestly I’d rather go to the playoffs and have people complaining about our 25 million dollar ace than be sitting at home in October watching the Sox yuck it up on national TV, just my opinion.
So CC doesn’t want to fly city to city, he wants people to come to him.
That means we must send all the big players and Cashman to San Fran to recruit him here.
“So CC doesn’t want to fly city to city, he wants people to come to him.
That means we must send all the big players and Cashman to San Fran to recruit him here.”
Correct. Hopefully the Yankees take the initiative or else were staring at another year of Ponson/Rasner/IPK starting 1/3 of the games.
Bronx Jeers
October 6th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Taking a boat to a baseball game sounds pretty awesome by itself.
And please nobody tell me that I can always take the Ferry to Staten Island.
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It’s not a bad way to spend a weekend. Charleston is about a two hour drive from Savannah. It’s 30 miles up the coast and the dock in Charleston is about 2 blocks from Joe Riley. Not only that, but no worries about DUIs.
“Bronx Jeers
October 6th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
And please nobody tell me that I can always take the Ferry to Staten Island”
lol : )
Green Beret 7..I watched Romine play at El Toro HS , twice as a umpire …..I always thought he’d be moved to 3rd base…I do not see him as a catcher down the road….
Green Beret 7..I watched Romine play at El Toro HS , twice as a umpire …..I always thought he’d be moved to 3rd base…I do not see him as a catcher down the road….
“This is the same team who rushed Hughes and jocked Joba back and forth between the rotation and pen… you really think they will do the smart thing and move Montero to 1B? Not a chance.”
Who says thats the smart thing? Its yet to be seen..
rolex
October 6th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Bankrupt,
Laird does kind remind me of Shelly Duncan. Hit .273 with a bunch of HRs in Low A. .334 OBP, all or nothing masher. No position. We need to get away from players like this.
Montero so much better than him.
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You’re wrong. Laird just turned 20 going into the season, and he’s as far away from being Shelly Duncan as you can get. He doesn’t strike out, he’s a very good glove at first base and he hits line drives to all fields. He’s not, as you say, “all or nothing”. Go watch him before spouting off about something or someone you haven’t seen.
Boston missed the playoffs in 06
$100 million to Dice-K
$80 million to JD Drew
$45 million to Lugo
Signed Okijima
Pulled off trades for Romero, Donnelley, and Pinero to fix the pen. Didn’t work but atleast they made an effort.
They didn’t just sit back and pray for prospects to save the franchise. They were proactive in fixing their weaknesses.
2 outs away from a pretty amazing DLS win!
White Sox lost 90 games last year
Tampa lost 96 games last year
Both are now playing in the ALDS. Fortunes can change quickly in baseball.
Orsillo just called Baldelli one of the guys who are “healthy and back from the Rays.” Talk about provincial. I guess he didn’t hear just how not healthy Baldelli is.
One more out.
1 more out.
1 more out and the Rays are in the ALCS
PAT M
October 6th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Green Beret 7..I watched Romine play at El Toro HS , twice as a umpire …..I always thought he’d be moved to 3rd base…I do not see him as a catcher down the road….
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That was my feelings after seeing him this year inabout 40 of the games he caught. He’s quick with his feet and athletic, and, that’s why I saw him more as an Elson Howard type (mid 1950s-early ’60s) Athletic enough to fill a lot of spots. I think Pena will spend a lot of time with him and Montero in the spring. I really like Montero behind the plate, but, Romine’s glove has really come alive and with power, too. That was the surprise since that was his weak point. Tyson had him hitting 3rd in front of Montero. He’ll never lead the league in steals, but, he’s pretty quick.
RAYS WIN!!
YES!!!!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE TAMPA BAY RAYS!!!!!!
Simply an amazing story!!!
Congratulations to the Rays on winning their very first postseason series!
omg, the Rays just made it to the CS..
That’s that. Congrats to the Rays
Congratulations to Joe Maddon for doing what Lou Piniella could not.
What a great story for baseball.
I am so very happy for the Rays.
The state of Florida remains undefeated in post-season series!!
GO RAYS
I think Romine, Montero, and Laird will all play different positions everday. One day they will play catcher, another day 1st base, another day 3rd base, another day right field, another day centerfield etc.
they are all versitile players
Congrats to the Rays!
I always find it a riot how grown men revert to little boy status. I have to believe that the celebratory champagne is meant for sipping, but they always manage to shake it up and squirt each other!
# 32 Ellie Howard …1963 MVP ???
Drop dead Rays! Go to hell!
I was rooting against Tampa for one reason – Joe Maddon.
I remember when the famous incident occurred in ST. Joe Girardi was quite upset that Cervelli had broken nis wrist unnecessarily. Maddon’s response was to be condescending, and that was not called for, in my opinion.
I know Maddon is probably a good baseball man, a lifer, and has done a very good job in Tampa. But I’m still not happy with how he dealt with that situation.
When Cashman evaluates this team going into 09, he needs to take the Rays into account. They are the beat team in the division. And in a team with the Red Sox in it, that is saying a lot.
No longer can he just design a team good enough to win the WC and maybe compete with Boston. We are the 3rd best team in the division and are lagging behind these teams in young talent and starting pitching.
Cashman needs to keep that in mind, we are a 3rd place team. Rays will be even stronger next year with Price replacing Edwin Jackson. This team has heart, guts, and talent that exceeds us. It is going to be a dog fight next year and serious changes are needed.
Yeah, the Rays were ripped for the spring training incident, but turns out that was a harbinger of things to come. They were ready to play while the Yankees sat around and waited or things to happen until Aug. 20.
Let’s go Angels!
Joe from LI, Maddon probably could have handled that better but don’t forget he was managing a group of guys who had never been validated in baseball and who were leading the league in ST. I think he wanted them to feel they had as much right to be rough and tumble as the next team did so didn’t want to temper their feelings of “we’re not going to take it, anymore.”
That’s how I read that whole incident.
why root against the Rays? If they and the Red Sox both got KO’d in first round, tough to make a case for AL East as toughest division.
I can understand where Maddon was coming from, he has spent years getting beat up by the Yankees with seemingly no end in sight considering the payroll disparity. He wanted to send a message to his team and to us that they were not going to get pushed around anymore. The talent was starting to come together and now was his time to add character to the team. Because thats what you need if you want to win in this division.
His message worked, the Rays became a tough team and took on Maddon’s personality. Girardi did overreact though to that incident, but Maddon used to motivate his team.
COME ON ANGELS!!! I’d like to see the Sux dragged out as much as possible!
Being on the bottom for so long, drafting high, making a few decent trades, really, it isn’t all that amazing that they finally field a good team.
I really don’t like Maddon. I think he needs to be knocked down hard. Hopefully the Yankees will make the moves needed to do just that next season.
And by the way, let’s take a look at my little Pony MVP candidate, seeming to be another postseason choker.
Rays are everything we are not.
Infact, you could say that about the Sox, Phillies, or Dodgers too. They play fast and loose. They are confident and cocky and play with grit and toughness.
We are a finesse team that doesn’t want to get its uniform dirty and is apprehensive more than cocky. Too many fragile personalities on the team.
Maddon wasn’t even the manager the whole 10 years of their existence.
I think BJ Upton is a FA this offseason, what are everyone’s thoughts on possibly going after him? He was plagued by a lingering injury all year but he’s a tremendous talent that could be a consistent 30/30 guy. He’s only making 412,000 this year so I don’t know what his current value would be. I definitely would like seeing him at Center Field instead of Gardner or Melky…2 HRs tonight in Game 4
PAT M
October 6th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
# 32 Ellie Howard …1963 MVP ???
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Yeah, but Howard didn’t really catch that much until 1960 accept as a backup, with Berra doing the catching. Howard played a lot, but mostly the corner outfield spots and 1st base. Always loved Howard’s catching, though. Blocking pitches, throwing and few were tougher when blocking the plate. If I remember correctly, Howard was the first to wear a batting hemet when catching after getting hit on a backswing. It opened a big gash but he stayed in the game. It was against the White Sox and it was either Dave Nicholson or Pete Ward.
Good team? How about the best in the AL East with one of the best records in baseball?
I’d say that’s more than business as usual.
I think the Yankees were one of two AL teams to have winning record against the Rays–I think the other was Cleveland
The best thing about playoffs on TBS. No Steve Phillips, Jon Miller or Joe Buck.
AJ Yanks – When have the Yankees EVER built a team that was supposed to just win the wild card and hopefully compete with the red sox?? The Yankees goals every year are win the division.. the ALDS, the ALCS, and the WS… “Wild Card” is something you settle for if need be because as long as you are in the playoffs you have a shot at the WS and that is obviously goal #1 – but NEVER have the Yankees built a team and said ok go get the wild card guys
t.yank
October 6th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I think BJ Upton is a FA this offseason, what are everyone’s thoughts on possibly going after him? He was plagued by a lingering injury all year but he’s a tremendous talent that could be a consistent 30/30 guy. He’s only making 412,000 this year so I don’t know what his current value would be. I definitely would like seeing him at Center Field instead of Gardner or Melky…2 HRs tonight in Game 4
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Upton isn’t within 4 years of being a FA.
What was the color of that jacket Craig Sager had on? Pumpkin Vomit?
Come on Angels!
“I think BJ Upton is a FA this offseason,”
No. Few years off.
I see the Umps are on the take for Boston, again. Hopefully Lackey pitches well enough to overcome.
“Maddon wasn’t even the manager the whole 10 years of their existence.”
Far from it. I was just listening to him being interviewed and they said that he actually sought out the Rays job despite other teams being interested in him. He joined the Rays three years ago.
Don’t forget that Piniella signed on, browbeat them to death, and then left them high and dry.
lackey has horrible numbers lifetime at Fenway.
A Rays-Red Sox LCS would actually be pretty interesting–there’s some bad blood between these teams.
The Rangers beat the Lightning twice this weekend if that’s any consolation to anybody.
I can’t believe that the Sox are making me root for all these teams that I dislike. I really need the Angels to win so I can just sit back and relax. Rooting for the Rays? How low do we have to sink before we’re at the bottom here?
Thanks a lot Yankees !!
I’ll check in from time to time. My fall allergies have taken over where my spring allergies left off. My head is very very achy. (no jokes necessary)
Later all.
“lackey has horrible numbers lifetime at Fenway.”
Didnt Lackey get within 1 or 2 outs of a no hitter there this year?
“I can’t believe that the Sox are making me root for all these teams that I dislike. I really need the Angels to win so I can just sit back and relax. Rooting for the Rays? How low do we have to sink before we’re at the bottom here?
Thanks a lot Yankees !!”
So true.
Yeh they just said it.
The best thing about playoffs on TBS. No Steve Phillips, Jon Miller or Joe Buck.
agreed. too bad the World Series have to be on FOX.
What a surprise, J*n Jester pitching a perfect game again
so now we are making declarations that romine cant be a catcher, montero can’t be a catcher, and laird has no position. these kids are 19 yr olds in their first full professional season
some real geinueses on here today.
every link I’ve checked on BJ Upton says he’s in a contract year(espn.com, etc)…where is everyone seeing he has a few years left?
B.J. Upton ss
1 year/$0.4121M (2008)
* 1 year/$0.3869M (2007), re-signed 3/07
* signed 9/02
* drafted 2002 (1-2)
* $4.6M signing bonus (paid over 5 years as 2-sport athlete)
* agent: Larry Reynolds
* ML service: 1.126
ER,
Will Jon Lester throw a no hitter or will he have to settle for the complete game shutout?
t.yank – he’s not even arbitration eligible yet – I don’t know the exact rules on how it works (I’m sure a few on here could help clear it up) but he is definitely under the Rays control for at least a couple of more years
Why do people keep lumping Hughes and Kennedy together?
Kennedy isin’t even in the same stratosphere as Kennedy.
TYank
Free Agnecy after 5 yrs? of MLB service. Upton = 2 yrs
“Kennedy isin’t even in the same stratosphere as Kennedy.”
Yeah with some of the comments he made after that one game…. Kennedy is definitely so far out there that his mind and body are in different parts of the atmosphere lol
6 years service. But Upton was started way early by the Rays. Still a few years off. 2011 2012 I think
CC won the Cy Young last year with Santana competing against him, right? CC put up better numbers than him in the NL, right? CC is younger than Santana, right? CC won’t cost the prospects (Hughes) that will ultimately cause the payroll to be lower, right? I’m not saying CC is better than Santana, but I am saying that they are more comparable than CC and Wang. Wang is a great pitcher, but CC has won a Cy Young and overall, has been more dominant.
t.yank: Upton is arbitration eligible–I think. Or he could be a “supper two”. The Rays own his rights regardless.
Napoli battling Lester here – way to get that pitch count up early!! Foul off like 20 more then go deep lol
The walk is good too – that was one hell of an at-bat
“Kennedy isin’t even in the same stratosphere as Kennedy.”
Just the notion that there could be 2 Kennedys has my head awash in a sea of blissful mediocrity.
Rays will sign Upton long term to a 9 year, $63 million dollar deal.
Well there goes Lester’s No-Hitter. Grab a tissue ER to wipe away the tears
Joba is the ace of this team, he needs to be allowed to throw 150+ innings this year so he can carry us on his back like he is capable of doing.
Kennedy isin’t even in the same stratosphere as Kennedy
That is true. While Ted has been a great senator, His brother John kept us from getting Nuked from Cuba.
ER can still cling to that guy named “J****n B*y”, whoever the hell he is.
Kennedy has an alter ego now who is in a different stratosphere than the original Kennedy?
Wow this guy really is a nut job.
bad call
Still don’t understand why ER posts here.
Dave D maybe their is some sort of bizzaro Kennedy wandering around somewhere?
***There***
Vlad in the postseason makes A-Rod look clutch.
Could Vlad be the slowest man in the game?
Vlad would have melted under the NY spotlight. What a soft player who never hits when it counts.
Sheffield was the better investment, I think that is settled.
Doesn’t Guerrero mean warrior in Espanol?
Warrior my …
Al from BK( Make CC a Yankee, Tex is a great 1B.)
October 6th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Could Vlad be the slowest man in the game?
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Not as long as there is a Molina catching somewhere.
I see Vlad’s fan club has checked in. Tough crowd!
If lackey loses this game 1-0. Vlad should be called out in the club-house.
Manny Ramirez>Everyone in the playoffs.
Bronx Jeers:
En español, war = guerra. Entonces, pienso que Guerrerro significa warrior.
(in Spanish, war = guerra. So I think Guerrerro means warrior.)
http://img66.imageshack.us/my......bonhf8.jpg
one day, he’s gonna pull a groin celebratin like this…
Rebecca,
Yup :http://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/guerrero
I should learn spanish. Instead I learned Latin and Old English. Those have great practical usage.
Anyone have any information or thoughts on this kid 2B Snyder?
Assuming both are willing to be bench players (250-350abs) who would make a better bench player (1b-3b-COF)?
Casey Blake
Eric Hinske
Kennedy=Terrible
2009 draft order is up:
http://www.baseballamerica.com.....66992.html
I really hate the fact that 2 teams who made the playoffs-LA and CHISOX pick before the Yankees.
Of course, if the sign CC and/or Tex its a moot point.
Tom: I actually need to learn Latin and old English. I’ll trade with you.
(I’m in a medieval studies program…)
CHARLIE HORSE
October 6th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Anyone have any information or thoughts on this kid 2B Snyder?
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Good bat, some power, some speed, plays many infield positions and none of them well. If he cleans up the defense, he could be a Randy Velarde type.
Tom –
Hinske = R.O.T.Y journey man.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Staying to write the story
October 6th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Tom: I actually need to learn Latin and old English. I’ll trade with you.
(I’m in a medieval studies program…)
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If you want some good pointers on Olde English, watch Bill Shakespeare’s “Who’s On First” on Youtube.
Rebecca, Yeah For my. Latin test I had to translate 5 pages of Medieval Latin.
Olde English was easy. Just try to pronounce the words phonetically.
and because of that I can now Pile it Higher and Deeper.
Oh Randy Velarde…was that with or without roids?
So with all the discussion of Montero and Romine, if they both are going to be so good…how are they both going to get experience playing the same position on the same team?
Oh and Rebecca: This book helped me (I’d offer you mine but I sold it for gas money).
http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Ol....._dtl_top_3
GB: Seen it. And that’s Shakespearean English, not Anglo-Saxon.
Tom: Have you read Piled Higher and Deeper? It’s a really good comic strip about the grad school life.
Ed, I know Hinske is a Journey man. He’s sort of usefull though–20hrs .788 career .OPS. Which is essentially what Nady’s is.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Staying to write the story
October 6th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
GB: Seen it. And that’s Shakespearean English, not Anglo-Saxon.
Tom: Have you read Piled Higher and Deeper? It’s a really good comic strip about the grad school life.
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My error. I’m still working on New American English.
not a strike.
Velarde was with roinds, sadly. He & Giambi were in Balco’s backyard.
*roids*
Rebecca, Oh yeah, its funny. We’ve all been there. Now that I have to deal with Grad students on a day to day basis I find them even funnier.
“So with all the discussion of Montero and Romine, if they both are going to be so good…how are they both going to get experience playing the same position on the same team”
They rotate. One catches a couple of games while the other DH’s.
I don’t think both will be catchers one will end up at first.
I tried to write a play once in iambic pentameter. It was awful. But alas, those who can’t do….
Tom –
I wouldn’t be surpised if he sign with the Yanks so he could play every AL East teams.
I have to admit I don’t think there was much difference between those last two pitches thrown to Tex. One is called a ball and the other a strike.
play in each AL East teams***
Words never used to describe Cano:
Scrappy, killer-instinct…._____, ______
Buddy Biancalana
October 6th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Velarde was with roinds, sadly. He & Giambi were in Balco’s backyard.
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Yeah, but, I was referring to the solid Velarde as a utility player for the Yanks. He could play anywhere and he hit well enough that he didn’t hurt you if he filled in for a couple of weeks. Good glove. The roids started with the California teams and he only lasted a couple of years after bulking up.
“I have to admit I don’t think there was much difference between those last two pitches thrown to Tex. One is called a ball and the other a strike.”
Ump has no consistency. Its not even bias. He is doing it to both teams.
Ed, it would not surprise me either.
I’m gonna faint…Tek got a timely hit.
Jim Leyritz was a useful bench guy. He played anywhere on the corners. Albeit, not very well everywhere, but, he tried…
Buck Martinez sounds like Eugene Levy.
http://cache.daylife.com/image.....r/340x.jpg
Tom: I tried a sonnet once, it’s not very good. I don’t have it memorized or else I’d share.
Mariano Duncan was a great utility player.
could someone tell Kendrick is he not the 2003 Yanks 2B?
WOW….Hendricks has been brutal with the bat and on defense this series. He looks like a little leaguer.
Cano should be shipped out….
I say package Cano, Nady, and prospects for Adrian Gonzalez…then you have someone to hit behind A-rod and play gold glove first
That wasn’t a rocket…Christ.
Theres your ballgame.
Nice job Kendrick… you joke
Kennedy = Old English for “What me Worry?”
NO we should not sign Kotsay to play 1B..
I know some of you are thinking about it right now…
Well at least you’re not trading him for a pitcher. The ones that we have the most off in the minors.
Rays have homefield, I could see them take care of the Sox.
Right trade two guys for one and create two holes. Boy, why dindn’t I think of that.
Such a sloppy series by the Angels. It’s amazing how they fold when the spotlight shines brightest. Tex hasn’t exactly lit things up with RISP either.
It’s amazing how they only seem to fold against the soxs. against the Yankees they make every play, against the soxs they play like the bad news bears.
Fenway doesn’t have Quest-tek right? How do they evaluate umps in that park.
If I were the Angels that called strike 3 to Teixeira would really eat at me.
Right trade two guys for one and create two holes. Boy, why dindn’t I think of that.
You didn’t think of that…because I beat you to it…A-Rod and A-Gonz would look real nice hitting back to back in the line-up for the next 5-7 years
You can always find a 2B…hopefully one with his head on his neck instead of up…
mel-
Mlb called the umps to tell them, they better not let a Rays/Angels series happen.
Really looking forward to seeing how these Yankees young guns perform int he AFL. Should be fun to follow.
Kevin
When did Lester turn into andy Kofaux?
andy Kofaux?
I hope he turns into Andy Kaufman.
There have been some bad calls, and at the same time the Angels keep hurting themselves with their fielding.
Come on Angels.
like I said, could someone tell Kendrick he’s not the 2003 Yanks 2B and the 2008 Cubs LFer?
I’m going to pay close attention to Juan Miranda this AFL.
Kendrick is the most overrated young player in baseball. Every year they predict him to become the best 2B in the league and win a batting title. He is a fraud.
Who is Andy Kaufman? JK
Sanchez was unimpressive in his couple of innings up here. Doesn’t throw as hard as he was supposed to, low 90s. Has a good curve though.
Reminds me a lot of Hughes actually. Not really overpowering.
Andy Kaufman.
6 outs till the ALCS nightmare. Happy Happy Joy Joy!!
“Kendrick is the most overrated young player in baseball. Every year they predict him to become the best 2B in the league and win a batting title. He is a fraud.”
Funny, I’m sure other fans are saying the same things about cano lol
Red sox vs Rays starts Thursday.
Did I miss something? Did Sanchez not have elbow surgery?
Lester goes 8 hand-off to Papelbum. Ballgame sox, geee this postseason isn’t shaking out so well.
Sanchez was unimpressive in his couple of innings up here. Doesn’t throw as hard as he was supposed to, low 90s. Has a good curve though.
He was coming off surgery genius. He’s not even throwing at 100 %.
Hey, the Phillies could still win the Series without creating an ultra painful scenario for the Yankees.
Just sayin’ is all.
Any team would like to have Santana on their team, but from a Sox perspective I am just as happy that Lester was not traded away in a package for Santana.
Lester has really come into his own, the guy is a stud. Really impressive.
Sanchez was unimpressive in his couple of innings up here. Doesn’t throw as hard as he was supposed to, low 90s. Has a good curve though.
someone didnt do their research…
Did I miss something? Did Sanchez not have elbow surgery?
mel we should come up w/ an experiment crow bar someone at the knee joints then watch them run a race, we can stand by saying that guy doesn’t know how to run.
Padres announced that catcher Josh Bard and LHP Shawn Estes cleared waivers and have elected to become free agents.
DO i dare to ask if we should sign them if Posada goes down again?
“I’m going to pay close attention to Juan Miranda this AFL.”
Me too. Hope he ups that trade value.
And people actually were killing Bill Smith for valuing Lester more than Hughes. Infact, people were saying IPK and Lester were equals LOL!!
Front offices know more than the arm chair GMs.
Hughes is better.
Lester is older then both of them.
I want a real 1B this year who can hit both lefties and righties and plays excellent defense.
harwood-
How could you say that at this point, it’s silly.
LETS GO RAYS!!!
“How could you say that at this point, it’s silly.”
Because hes 22 years old.
E-Rod,
Where are you going to find one like that? They don’t grow on trees.
“Hughes is better.
Lester is older then both of them.”
You should turn on TBS. Lesters pitching a pretty good game. BTW Hughes hasn’t proven anything yet, he hasn’t been able to stay healthy for more than 6 weeks.
Lester is 24 years old but was pitching effectively last year, so I won’t even comment on the view that Hughes is better than Lester.
harwood October 6th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
“How could you say that at this point, it’s silly.â€
Because hes 22 years old.
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Huh?
Lester threw 210 innings of a 3.21 ERA in the best division in baseball. He would have started 3 playoff games and winning all of them and throwing 2 shutouts. He is an ace.
He went 11-2 in his first season, 4-0 in his 2nd season recovering from cancer. ERA aside, he didn’t struggle at all— he was winning games so thats why he stuck in the rotation. If he was a liability like Buchholz, he would have been sent down. So using Lester as an example of how we would have ‘patience’ isin’t a good one. 11-2 in his first year.
How can anyone say Hughes is better then Lester?
Nick,
Are you here? Doesn’t Masterson have that Lenny-like quality? From Of Mice and Men?
Ladies (and gents) are we going to organize a boycott against ED commercials. Enough!
Rays will beat the Sox. Rays in 7
“pitching effectively last year”
Hughes had better outings this year while he was healthy. Youll see.
Wake me up when Hughes pitches to a 3.20 ERA in the AL East and pitches 2 shutouts in the playoffs.
Hughes has proven NOTHING. Couple of games here and there don’t validate that he did.
ray,
Really. I don’t need you to espouse on the virtues of Lester. I got quite the earful on the radio and tv and an eyeful from Yankee fans here.
Please. Everyone. Stop. Slobbering.
harwood-
Are you playing on your parents computer when you should be asleep?
Mel -
talking about me? i’m sorry if so you are.
Lester has turned into a great pitcher.
That said, I prefer Joba.
mel-
Lester is really really good.
Hughes’ best outing – 8 innings, 2 runs against an anemic Toronto lineup.
Lester’s best outing – Complete game shutout in Yankees Stadium.
Hughes’ “almost” no hitter in Texas? Lester actually threw a no hitter.
Hughes’ “brilliant” 3 innings in the ALDS? Lester has won 3 playoff games including the WS clinching one and what will turn out to be the clinching ALDS one tonight.
Hughes has done nothing better than Lester, please stop being a homer.
Rebecca-
That’s a good question, Joba or Lester?
Lester is 24 years old but was pitching effectively last year, so I won’t even comment on the view that Hughes is better than Lester.
It really isn’t worth discussing to Hughes’s defense he has 2 lesser yrs. of experience and might have more in the tank, might also not. It depends how he developes as for him and Lester right now Lester is about to win his 12 straight at Fenway, Hughes hasn’t even won a game this season.
Joba >> Lester >> Hughes
BTW, Clay Buchholz threw a no-hitter too but we haven’t seen the likes of him recently…
mel,
I’m not trying to be pushy about Lester. Sorry if it came across that way.
This game is not over yet!
mel, I’m not seeing the Lenny thing, but I’ve been flipping back and forth between baseball and MNF. I can say that John Malkovich made a surprisingly good Lenny and Gary Sinise was a good George and Sherilyn Fenn was hot as the hot chick. Or that’s how I remember it.
I can see a little dim determination in Masterson’s eyes, yes.
I think Joba will be better than Lester. Hughes won’t. And Kennedy won’t even be better than Ponson.
This game is not over yet!
Yes it is
Yahoo!!!
oops, I’m no longer in Vacaville. Truth in geographical identification.
Hey, nice pitch Lenny!!!!
OMG…Hunter tied the game…
What’s with all the comparisons between Hughes and Lester? Why is he being compared seemingly to every young pitcher? He was compared to Buchotlz. Which it should be because they are more same then he is to Lester.
Fist-pump.
Well spoke to soon my boy Tori Hunter
I agree Rebecca
Joba >> Lester >> Hughes
Well atleast Lester won’t be winning the clincher in the ALDS anymore
relying too much on the rookie?
Just turned back to this game. wow
Welcome back Angels
So we could see another extra innings affair? Neither of these teams have any BP left.
That would be fun.
Sherilynn Fenn, now that’s a blast from the past. Loved her in Twin Peaks.
I know Lester’s a good pitcher. How do I know? Yes, the box scores, shutouts, no-hitters, and my own eyes tell me so. I’m trapped in my car, so I tune into listen to baseball. They won’t shut up. I tuned into watch baseball, but they won’t shut up about Lester.
And this is nothing new. Everytime he pitched this season it was the same thing.
I’m not bitter. I’m not even jealous. I’m just tired of it.
Well, now that the game is tied up maybe they’ll talk about something else.
“Hughes’ best outing – 8 innings, 2 runs against an anemic Toronto lineup.
Lester’s best outing – Complete game shutout in Yankees Stadium.
Hughes’ “almost†no hitter in Texas? Lester actually threw a no hitter.”
Lester got rocked this year by the anemic Toronto. 8 h 7er 2.1innings
The anemic Yankees you mean?
Youre welcome to get high on this kid for having a good year and pitching well against this disgraceful LA team. But dont knock a 22 year old as worthless. Once Hughes gets a little more experience he can put the same numbers easily.
Why didn’t he use Papelbon for 4 outs? This is the clinching game! No way they want to back to the OC.
the angels will still lose-who are we kidding
Ray- Do you think the Sox should use Papelbon in the 9th if the game is still tied?
harwood,
please stop. there is nothing you can do to discredit lester. you are just making yourself look bitter and jealous.
LOL K-Rod will blow it
ray,
I was just kidding ya.
Nick,
I don’t know. Maybe the play? The original movie? Just looks like a big kid trapped in a man’s body. Kind of makes Randy Hickey look smart.
harwood
I didn’t see anyone saying Hughes was “worthless”.
I personally think he has a great future.
Do you think ARod would have worked the walk that Teixeira just did or would he have swung away?
Prob not… Tex is looking like a solid all-around team player. Pay up Yanks.
And Lester, as of today, is leaps and bounds better than Hughes. It’s a laughable debate.
Mark (Brett is back)
October 6th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
“Ray- Do you think the Sox should use Papelbon in the 9th if the game is still tied?”
Good question. To be honest I’m not sure what they should do.
We don’t know what Hughes is going to be. The potential is there for him to be a pretty good pitcher. At 22, all you can do is wait and see.
im really hungry….i wish i had some stadium food…hot dog would be fantastic right now…
Ray,
Lester has matured into an exceptional pitcher. Kudos to the Sox for developing him. He’s far and away ahead of Hughes now and may be the better pitcher forever. I think the point some are making is that Hughes is a few years younger and his bdevelopment is behind. He could mature to be as good as Lester or better. Or he could just be average. We don’t know. In that regard, given Hughes’ lack of time in MLB, it’s unrfair to say Lester is better, just that he’s more developed at this point. In a few years well know for sure.
Hughes will be better based on what?
Bronx 77 nailed it. Lester’s career has been bery impressive to date.
Doesn’t mean Hughes can’t match him. but he has a long way to go. As of right now, it is no contest— Lester is the ace of this team.
Buddy Biancalana
October 6th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Sherilynn Fenn, now that’s a blast from the past. Loved her in Twin Peaks.
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First time I saw her in a movie and about ‘85, in “One Of The Guys”. Still a beauty.
Sort of like Pedroyer looks like a little kid trapped in a ferret’s body?
He looked mad after that last at-bat, I’d stay away from the petting zoo for a while.
YankeeJosh,
I would definitely agree with what you just posted.
LOL @ Chip. He teased Buck about using “wicked” yesterday. And now he’s using it.
I guess he had to say the pitch was wicked because he couldn’t say that, “what the hell was that by Ortiz?”
GB7-
Yes, it was called “Just one of the Guys”, loved that movie too.
Oh. And we better pray that Lester doesn’t develop a changeup. The guy on the radio said he’d be unbeatable of he did that.
Hughes had some good September numbers other than that he has done nothing. Lester pitched 200 innings with an ERA in the low 3s and has won a world series clinching game, thrown a no hitter, and pitched 2 shutouts this postseason.
It’s not even a discussion. Lester is a good kid, overcame cancer and has a good head on his shoulders— I don’t know why some people are so bitter. They are comparing a kid with his credentials to Hughes, its laughable.
As much as I love the BB, Tori Hunter, Chone Figgins & Mike Napoli are the reason the Angels are still on respirator.
Mike Francesser calls him Pedroyer.
He adds “r” to every word that ends in an “a” anyway.
ray (sox fan)
October 6th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Mark (Brett is back)
October 6th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
“Ray- Do you think the Sox should use Papelbon in the 9th if the game is still tied?â€
Good question. To be honest I’m not sure what they should do.
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not sure that’d I’d use him. They still have a game to play with and if they use him for one or two innings tonight, they haven’t anything to back him up.
If they get a lead, leave Shields in there.
Ride the hot hand, K-Rod is too much of an adventure.
please score morales.
Oh. And we better pray that Lester doesn’t develop a changeup. The guy on the radio said he’d be unbeatable of he did that.
Who said that ? Buck ?
Time for The Angels to emulate the following:
http://video.google.com/videop.....&hl=en
Who’s on deck.
Advancing the runner from 2nd to 3rd – what a concept!
Lester deserves all the slurping he gets… he had a hell of a year. Atleast they aren’t doing it over Papelbon or Pedroia.
Brandon,
No. Whoever’s calling the game on ESPN radio.
GB7
I guess Francona agrees with you.
Masterson just didn’t seem sharp tonight.
why did they give away an out? wiltis is their version of gardner! should have stole 3rd.
We might see a squeeze attempt.
Buddy Biancalana
October 6th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
GB7-
Yes, it was called “Just one of the Guysâ€, loved that movie too.
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Funny movie. The other little beauty that had the lead, Joyce Hyser played on LA Law for a few years (Allison Gottlieb) and in “The Flash”.
What the hell
These Angels don’t understand how to run the bases, do they?
Tough call there.
The ground cannot cause a fumble, I’m afraid.
And that’s the game
My g-d he was safe!
Botched.
Oh well, back to the drawing board.
Unbelievable!
im not a fan of the squeeze…especially when that happens
That Mike Scioscia really is a genius.
“im not a fan of the squeeze…especially when that happens”
I’m not a fan of the squeeze when it fails and the team it fails against is the Red Sox.
ray (sox fan)
October 6th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
GB7
I guess Francona agrees with you.
Masterson just didn’t seem sharp tonight.
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Evening, Ray. Yeah, I figure if I call every play, the law of averages say I should be right 1 time out of 1,000.
That just woke up the Sox fans too.
Road teams do not win after plays like that
It was the right play unfortunate E. Aybar couldn’t get it done.
Angles trying to be cute. Just let him try to get a sac fly.
Not taking anything away from Lester because he’s been great but people should get the facts straight.
Lester’s first season – 15 games… 7-2(not 11-2)..4.76 ERA
Hughes first season – 13 games 5-3 …4.46 ERA
I believe Lester is also about 2 1/2 years older than Hughes which leaves a maturity factor. Credit to Lester because of the cancer but I think that even gave him more creditials in the maturity department. You certainly grow up fast dealing with something as difficult as that.
All I’m saying is give Hughes some time ..he just turned 22. I’m not comparing them because at this stage since it’s clearly Lester doing the job. To compare playoff victories is a moot point since Hughes only had one opportunity and he did pretty darn good ..he got the win. I guess we just have to wait and see …the keyword is patience.
Go Yankees !!!
Angels are lucky that went into the stands.
Reggie Wilits must feel like crap right now.
Red Sox vs Rays Thursday.
Maybe ER was right about Bay being the hero tonight.
Es posible que Teixeira acabò de salvar los Angels…
Wow, Tex is awesome.
That ball would have went by Giambi lol.
Can we sign Tex tomorrow.
First basemen are allowed to make plays like that? I was not aware!
Never mind.
Oh crap.
oh well, i go bed now.
The “great” Angels prove once again there rabbit slap hitters can’t beat the big boys.
I think Bay nearly fell down, and still scored easily.
If Tex’s bat could have shown up w/ a big hit maybe they are not going home.
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Keep Manny away !”
October 6th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Reggie Wilits must feel like crap right now.
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You can’t blame Willits on the busted suicide squeeze. Aybar bunted through it and Willits did what he was told….run on first move.
Nah who needs Tex, lets go with Miranda!!!! Youth wins!!!!
Hot damn
That’s that
Meanwhile winning run at 2B how is K-Rod not pitching there.
g-ddamn I hate the frickin’ sox
“Can we sign Tex tomorrow.”
Well now we can.
Gutsy win for the Sox, that can send a team on a huge run,
They own James Shields anyway.
That ugly suit again
sigh….go rays
lol. Technically we have to wait.
Hopefully Tex will see the Angels were frauds. Hopefully he’ll notice that the Yankees aren’t frauds, too.
“If Tex’s bat could have shown up w/ a big hit maybe they are not going home.”
wow brandon…just wow….
and another al east team is going to be in the world series, its amazing how good this division has been for over a decade
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Keep Manny away !”
October 6th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
That ugly suit again ”
Someone should talk to the guy about those clothes!
Please no Sox/Dodgers, please. I’ll take one, but not both.
Inevitable outcome though.
Brandon, I truly don’t get your didain for Teixeira. He batted .467 this series. He did make some big outs and didn’t show power but he was on base a lot. He started the rally in the 8th by working a walk, and could have saved the Angels season with a great defensive play.
He did his job this series.
wow brandon…just wow….
I call it like I see it other than a sac fly he had no impact in this series a walk here a single there meanwhile big hits belonged to Napoli, Figgins, Hunter and Aybar.
Aybar must’ve been watching “The 2008 Yankees Show You How To Bunt” video.
Teixeira – wow, sign him up. He’d definitely reintroduce the concept of the 3-6-3 DP to the Yankees.
Guys, Sager dressed down for the occasion. This is mild compared to what he wears for the NBA.
Too bad that the Angels couldn’t extend the series to wear out the Sox with travel back and forth.
If it’s Red Sox Dodgers I’m rooting for the Dodgers.
But I think it will be Rays Phillies.
My brother says Reggie Bush was timed running at 22 MPH for a punt return for TD in the MNF game.
K rod had more appearances than innings pitched. They dont bring him into tie games. plus, 5.35 era in LDS play isnt exactly mo.
god- they’re pathetic
only thing standing between the sox and a [gulp] near dynasty is the Rays and Phillies/Dodgers.
Yikes
Rays vs Phillies for the World Series
Nick in SF
October 6th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
“Can we sign Tex tomorrow.â€
Well now we can.
Sorry Nick-the Angels can negotiate with him now but everyone else has to wait 15 days until the end of the WS.
Brandon, Get a clue…..I think you were one of the guys who fried me back in June when I was promoting Texeria as a top tier ballplayer….We get your point that he’s not what you want in a player, but he’s an outstanding talent who’s only going to get better…..
Tex is a winning player… I think you’ll be surprised how much interest Cashman shows. This has Johnny Damon written all over it. He said he wants a real 1B next year and wants to shore up that position once and for all.
Brandon,
Tex set the table himself plenty of times.
And he played very good defense.
To say that he costs too much is one thing. But to say he didn’t play well in his first postseason series is ridiculous.
Now, I’m beginning to think that you wouldn’t want Tex even if he played for league minimum.
Whoever gets Tex is getting a winning player who is 28, plays gold glove D, switch hits, can hit 30 HRs, and executes fundamentals, and an average OBP of .395 the past 3 years.
Clearly some of you people have no idea how to identify talent. Keep bringing in Adam Dunns or relying on frauds like Miranda or Shelly Duncan.
people knocking tex now? yeah he only was tied with vlad for the highest BA on the team in the playoffs.
who cares how much he costs? are we the royals now? we have 88 million coming off the books.
There’s negotiating and then there’s negotiating.
Get CC first.
I love it how the fanbase gets woo’d by one play meanwhile forget the price tag on Teixeira and the fact we can get 2 top SP instead of an overpaid 1B. There is not enough there to warrant giving him 17 – 22 million per yr. for the next 7 yrs. there just isn’t.
How about Kotsay, natural Cf’er who played great at 1st, and to think we could have claimed him for down the stretch!
Brandon,
So it’s just the money you object to? Because you can’t fault his game, which you’re clearly trying to do.
i can’t believe i’m saying this, but the sux have a swagger that we used to have before 2004.
I’d be happy with Tex …or ..would you prefer Matsui/Damon splitting first base?? He’s 28 ..a terrific fielding lst baseman with power, switch hitter. Giambi had the power …Tex has everything else to go with it. Slight improvement ..no??
Go Yankees !!!
I am so disgusted with the Angels. Mike Scioscia needs to go. He can’t manage in the playoffs.
Just watching Tex play 1st basehit is refreshing, and Brandon yes he had lots of hits this series, but it is not his fault the guys behind him didn’t come through, and he started the 8th inning rally tonight.
stuart-
I disagree. They should have lost this game tonight. They’re a lot different then there 04 and 07 team
Brandon,
Sorry, didn’t mean to be harsh. Your argument about the money is rational. But criticizing Teixeira’s game is irrational.
Brandon …are you paying his salary? Let the Yankees worry about the price tag. It’s NOT one play…he’s been a terrific lst baseman with all the other tools to go with it.
Go Yankees !!!!
Mel –
I think Brandon doesn’t want another Giambi-like contract, 7 years for 120 million.
mel the needs of this rotation outweighs the needs of 1B, IDK how this is an issue, Girardi even said it, the rotation is priority # 1, Teixeira is want he is not a need, if you want a solid 1B you can deal or package a pitching prospect for a young stud. There shouldn’t even be an issue w/ this.
If I told you Aj Burnett/CC Sabathia or Mark Teixera (Which do you pick ?)
We can deal w/ 1B, the rotation and the OF is what needs fixing, preferably RF.
Ed,
I can understand that. Why did we sign that contract?
I still want a 1B. Find me one.
Mel -
looking for a 1B & a CFer is endless. I want a Mark-Teixiera-1B like too.
Stuart and I have been on different sides of the street on several issues…However I do see the swagger and confidence …Yes at one time when the Yanks took the field it seemed as if they were already leading 2-0…..Boston has that feel to them, as the opposing team feels as though they’re running up hill…..
Angel mental errors cost them this series ..too many. I think they had them in every game. What should have been a double play was a big goof tonight which led to a run. Last night ..that 3 run blooper ..that could have cost them big time too. They were lucky to win that game.
They weren’t meant to win ..plain and simple. I just hope the Rays put the Sox in the wash.
This is where the uncertainty of Hughes comes
Do you dangle him for a 1B stud prospect. Do you think of Jay Bruce, do you think of Matt Gamels, Adrian Gonzalez, Matt Laporta…This offseason is going to be big but you can’t solve it all by buying a replacement, it will weaken you in the long run.
Brandon,
I’ll take AJ & Tex.
Tex’s AAV will cost you 2/3 of CC’s AAV. Everyday player vs. someone who plays every five days.
CC is not going to give us 5 times Wang’s production, but that’s how much he’s going to cost.
I can understand CC and getting him, but we have other needs, too. And having a good 1B makes all our pitchers better.
Trust me, I want them all. We’ve got money. Hank says thing large. Don’t be surprised if they target all three. They’re not mutually exclusive.
*think large
Youre criticizing Texiera’s worth and at the same time campaigning for an overworked pitcher who is a serious risk to show up in May already injured and Aj Burnett???
Your hiding something. There is no rational reason to say Texiera ‘doesnt have enough’ for a 7 year deal but want to sign CC and Burnett.
Brandon –
call me crazy, I actually wouldn’t mind saying Mark Kotsay to play CF or 1B. Cashman wanted him a few years ago but Beane wanted Eric Duncan for him. regrets for Cashman? perhaps. yeah, Kotsay is 32 but he is still “athletic”.
AJ Burnett is a headcase, only thrown 200 innings in contract years, is 32 years old and has arm trouble.
I’d MUCH rather have CC and Tex than Burnett.
We have no young position players and as you saw this postseason, defense has won and lost games. We finally have a chance to get a legit fielder. Miranda is a platoon player who is Giambi at best in the field at best (Patrick from PP’s own words, not mine).
I’m sure the Yankees are making pitching their priority but that doesn’t mean they can’t go after Tex too. Plenty of money coming off the books so there is plenty to spend.
Unfortunately ..in many cases the years are a problem but if you want the player ..pitcher or position …you have to pay the piper (not just in money).
CC states he would have no trouble coming back to the Brewers, would like this taken care of quickly, probably because his wife is due soon, and people will have to come to him. Will Jeter, Posada and Rivera be our good will ambassadors, and go out to California to woo him?
Predictions? If no CC, whose next on the starting pitching FA list for us?
Tex: Angels probably will make every attempt to resign him, instead of K-Rod, and might even be willing to save money by not picking up Vlad’s option, along with letting Anderson and Rivera go. Does that mean they make a play for Manny at DH/LF??
Mel -
don’t forget that now the stadium is done building, they could go all out spending for FAs this offseason.
A good FA lefty I think who can pick it also is Hank Blalock the Rangers put him at 1B and his bat responded w/ .299/.345/.569 , there are other ways to fix 1B.
And anyone who wants AJ Burnett has to take a better look at what he has done. He is exactly like his old buddy Pavano. Even if he isnt injured he doesnt play hard unless hes playing for a contract. And this is his final big payday. After he gets it hes going on vacation (DL).
Bag of pops says the Rays in six.
Any takers?
Brandon,
I doubt the choice for the Yankees is CC/Burnett or Teixeira. Maybe Teix or Burnett?
I’m not sold on Burnett, he’s never consistently stayed healthy. CC is going to demand a huge contract. I’m all for signing him but it’s a big gamble that he’ll last 7 years.
Teixeira is actually the safest bet to last the length of his contract. He’s just 29 and coming ino his prime. If you give him 7 years, he’ll just be on the start of his decline at the end of the contract.
I’d prefer the Yanks get one pitcher (preferably CC) and Teix. With Wang, Joba, Pettitte, the Yanks really only need one stud starter. The Yankees scored less than 800 runs this year. Offensively if they lose Abreu and Giambi as you advocate, that’s more offense lost. Even with a more team approach to hitting, the Yankees will need to replace that production. Teixeira is perfect for that.
Even if the Yanks sign some pitchers they need to be able to score runs. How many low scoring losses did we have this year. Teixeira as a switch hitter is perfect for this line-up.
Why are people bringing up money as reasons not to sign Tex? We are the Yankees and have 80+ million off the books. What budget are we adhering to? What are we saving the money for exactly? To re-sign Nady to a Torri Hunter contract? To give Jeter an A-rod type deal in 2010?
A good FA lefty I think who can pick it also is Hank Blalock the Rangers put him at 1B and his bat responded w/ .299/.345/.569 , there are other ways to fix 1B.
Brandon –
I think Nolan Ryan would pick up his option and have him play 3B/DH if his shoulders respond well. Ryan wants Davis to patrol 1B instead of 3b, since he did very well in 1B.
Nitro,
Seriously? Burnett’s a headcase? Like he had a mental breakdown? Or is it because he has tats and plays in band?
Say he’s got an injury history, but saying he’s headcase is fibbing just a little.
Blalock has an option for $6 mil, Rangers will pick it up.
If they don’t, then he is a nice option.
I think it will be a close tough series between the Sox and Rays.
I don’t make predictions but I do know that nearly all the experts predicted that the Angels would defeat the Sox, so I know anything is possible. (didn’t mean to sound like Kevin Garnett there)
Why are people bringing up money as reasons not to sign Tex? We are the Yankees and have 80+ million off the books
No correction you are the Yankee fan, they are the Yankees. It’s thier money and I doubt they want to go that route for a 1B and tie thierselves into another position glut.
Teixeira is actually the safest bet to last the length of his contract. He’s just 29 and coming ino his prime. If you give him 7 years, he’ll just be on the start of his decline at the end of the contract.
YankeeJosh –
that’s what Cashman did with Giambi. I don’t think they want to do it again.
Headcase means he doesn’t pitch up to his stuff and has too many bad games for a guy with his ability. Like Oliver Perez. Loses his concentration easily and doesn’t always show up on the mound, he is an underachiever.
What else would you refer to someone like that as? Would you say
Ed, they might resign Milton Bradley and have Davis fulltime at 1B and he’s not thier only 1B prospect. So it could be a safe bet that Texas lets Blalock walk.
Signing Burnett over CC would be like passing on Santana for Hughes, Beltran for Randy, and Vlad for Sheffield.
“A good FA lefty I think who can pick it also is Hank Blalock the Rangers put him at 1B and his bat responded w/ .299/.345/.569 , there are other ways to fix 1B.”
A major problem with this line-up this year and since Bernie left is that it is too Left handed. A-Rod is really the only big righty threat. Nady is above average but w can’t be sure he’ll reproduce this years season next year. We have no idea what we’ll get from Posada. Teixeira is a switch hitter who would greatly improve the line-up just by breaking up the line-up. He’s the “Bernie Williams” that the team is missing imo.
“that’s what Cashman did with Giambi. I don’t think they want to do it again.”
Im pretty sure that was Stein. And Giambi was in his 30’s already when he got that contract. And Tex isnt on HGH or a pull hitter. Tex will not be Giambi.
Teixeira a better all-around player. He’s a switch-hitter. Gold-glove caliber. Giambi’s body broke down for obvious reasons.
I get the jist of the argument, but Tex is Giambi.
And Burnett is not Pavano. They broke the mold with Pavano.
Ed, they might resign Milton Bradley and have Davis fulltime at 1B and he’s not thier only 1B prospect. So it could be a safe bet that Texas lets Blalock walk.
let’s hope so…if not then trade for Ryan Garko, the next cheap and effective 1B.
Teixeira a better all-around player. He’s a switch-hitter. Gold-glove caliber. Giambi’s body broke down for obvious reasons.
I get the jist of the argument, but Tex is not Giambi.
And Burnett is not Pavano. They broke the mold with Pavano.
SJ44 said we needed Tex. You should listen to him over Brandon. Atleast he knows something about baseball.
Because, depending on the fate of Goldman Sachs, et al, it might be money the Yankees don’t actually have.
Ed
Comparing Giambi to Teixira doesn’t make sense to me. Giambi was a great hitter but he was aways an out of shape overweight butcher at First who was prone to break down. Teixeira is more of an athlete, with a Tino Martinez kind of build Tino was productive into his late 30’s.
let’s hope so…if not then trade for Ryan Garko, the next cheap and effective 1B.
I still wonder what it would take to get Garko.
“Because, depending on the fate of Goldman Sachs, et al, it might be money the Yankees don’t actually have.”
‘the one constant through all the years has been baseball’
Damon
Jeter
Matsui
ARod
Posada
Cano
Nady
Miranda/Blalock
Gardner
is a 3rd place lineup. Will be lucky to score 700 runs.
Texeria is a multidimensional player, much like the player they didn’t sign ( Beltran )….The Yanks have been guilty in the past in signing the opposite….The pnly negitive I see with Texeria is his agent….Signing him is similar to getting a switch hitting Tino……
The thing with Tex tho’ as opposed to Giambi is the fact he’s a terrific defensive lst baseman and a switch hitter (so he won’t always be going for the right field porch ala Jason). Giambi was also a few years older when he signed his contract. I think 2 years older.. 31. Tex will
only be turning 29 with this contract. PLUS …hopefully no steroids involved so no breaking down like Jason during his tenure with the Yankees. A lot more plus side with Tex.
Who made the decision to give white sox fans white towels to wave instead of black towels? The black is what makes watching the white sox play at home so fun!
and just sign tex
Pat M. Agreed. I think the comparison of Teixeir to Tino is much more apt than to Giambi.
You know Boras has all those kids working for him getting those portfolios ready with just crazy stats haha.
Well we weren’t suppose to beat Cali so you all said (so I’m not too upset youthat you pray for Tampa), but the World Champs are the World Champs for a reason and now the Sox are going to school Tampa on what the play-offs are all about!! 4-0 SWEEP baby! You heard it from the Double-Ya B!!!
I hope you get Tex next year. He was so awesome in this series and like they rest of the Cali line-up. They are the ones that are all frauds.
Maybe since they beat the hell out of their own division every year, maybe they should spot the division 20 games. Start the season 0-20. Get battle tested and go into the play-offs ready to fight, not just “ho-hum” through August and September and not be ready to fight in October.
Being in the AL West is their achiels (sp?) heel. Don’t go by all of those 100 wins. The Yankees could win 100 if they were in that division!
See you at the parade in Boston right around November 1st. Don’t forget you read this tonight!…and I hope you hold it with you during your long, long cold, cold NY winter!!!!
RED SOX REPEAT 2008 3 in 5 YEARS…..DYNSTY in the CITY OF CHAMPIONS
For those Hughes Lester comparisons
Lester has a 0.77 ERA in 23.1 postseason innings.
These two are lightyears apart right now. In the future Hughes has the potential, but Lester is one of the best pitchers in baseball right now.
Well…in a few months we won’t have to do anymore guessing ..it will be settled and the fact of the matter is no matter what we think it’s not our decision. It’s a lot essier to play GM than to be one.
Night All…Go Rays !!!!
I still wonder what it would take to get Garko.
Brandon -
I e-mailed Kat O’Brien on that one. She said Garko would come chealy than some alternatives? however, she didn’t said how cheap. that’s what got me thinking.
Brandon, I don’t want to have an effective 1B , when the best 1B in the AL is sitting right there…Out side of Puljos, he’s the best in MLB, and his best is yet to come….No more effective crap, get the best when it’s there for the picking….
PAT M
October 7th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Texeria is a multidimensional player, much like the player they didn’t sign ( Beltran )….The Yanks have been guilty in the past in signing the opposite….The pnly negitive I see with Texeria is his agent….Signing him is similar to getting a switch hitting Tino……
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Would you consider a heavily front loaded contract, depending on the years and amounts? If Laird becomes a legitimate thing 3 years down the road, it makes moving Teixiera easier with a better talent return.
I remember A’s fans laughing about Giambi coming to NY leaving the Oakland Coliseum after game 3 (the Jeter play game) in 2001.
They said he was a ‘roider and that he would break down. Hmmmm. You can’t say the same about Tex, can you?
He seems like exactly the type of player who’d be happy to take more money to play in NY.
PAT M,
You know what you’re going to get, and all it’ll cost you is money.
Now if you can get a real 1B for non-prospects, eh, maybe you go for it. But good 1B seem hard to come by.
Are you the ballplayer? from CT?
PAT M think about this Jorge can’t catch what now DH Matsui/Damon/Matsui ? it causes more problems, it solves little, all it does is add offense and doesn’t solve what we will be facing. The rotation and the OF defense needs to improve.
Ed think about this they have Garko/Hafner/Martinez/Laporta all who can play 1B, I’d love one of them.
Is the magic with Tampa Bay this year? I certainly hope so.
If CC signs elsewhere, feel we need a lefty in the starting rotation-Coke? Others? Feel no hurray to resign Pettitte as he’s going nowhere else, and really isn’t a 200 inning pitcher anymore, fading badly down the stretch.
Why compare Burnett to Pavano, Burnett throws 96 97 mph, Pavano could never do that. Feel insurance companies now unlikely to provide full disability coverage, so it’s in the best interest of the teams to have the players they sign meet incentives to earn their money. Financial upheavel could very well effect off season signings this year, even with 90M coming off our books if all free agents not resigned.
Brandon –
didn’t Hafner became a full time DH? I want Martinez too since Shoppach emerged as the everyday catch, and most likely he’s going to play 1B next season which Garko will have no position to play.
Hafner got hurt hence why we didn’t see him play 1B this yr. Garko is as slick as they come and if he is gettable for cheaper prospects I’d do it. That guy hit .514 down the stretch.
Brandon, you reservations about Posada are a real concern..That being said, I much rather deal with that after securing the best 1B in the AL…Damon and Matsiu are gone after 09, why lose this chance …I still think one of them will be moved this winter….I see them goind after 2 starters , trading for a CF, and making a run at Texeria….The bench needs some help, although Ransom showed some real worth in September…Then again it was only September,
Brandon –
You right, nice fielding stats he has..
According to wikipedia, Travis Hafner is a d-bag in the clubhouse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Hafner
The bench needs some help, although Ransom showed some real worth in September…Then again it was only September
PAT M –
Ransom started showing his powers in late August when he was called up because Betemit butchered alot of plays.
PAT M I hope Baltimore or LAA signs him. I don’t want him. We have more issues to fix and 1B can be solved better than this.
Mel, I’m a ballplayer that played in CT….Back in 1972 ( West Haven AA )..I grew up in Westchester…..
Pat M,
Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t talking to an imposter.
PAT M
October 7th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Brandon, you reservations about Posada are a real concern..That being said, I much rather deal with that after securing the best 1B in the AL…Damon and Matsiu are gone after 09, why lose this chance …I still think one of them will be moved this winter….I see them goind after 2 starters , trading for a CF, and making a run at Texeria….The bench needs some help, although Ransom showed some real worth in September…Then again it was only September,
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The reason the bench was weak this year is because most of it was playing full-time for too much of the season. Not that crazy about Ransom, though. He had some good at bats late in the season, but, he’s a career .236 hitter in the majors and a .240 minor leaguer and his defense is nothing special. The only outfielder that has any value to another team is Nady. Damon has more value to the Yanks, only as a lead-off hitter. Matsui has no value until he proves to be healthy.
Brandon: What’s your solution for 1b?
Sheets would be a terrific signing.
I could see Cash going after Tex. However the emphasis should be on getting CC.
Brandon – Who has had more Winshares from 2004-2008? Tex of CC?
Tex OR CC?
“Sheets would be a terrific signing.”
Sorry man I disagree the guy couldn’t stay healthy even in his contract year. If any ex-brewer is to be signed it has to be CC.
Any combination of CC, Tex, Sabathia, Manny, or Burnett is fine with me. Just nab to of the big FAs.
Brandon- Don’t really understand your stubborness on the Tex issue.
Sheets would be a terrific signing.
LOL hahahas, you kidding right?
“Tex OR CC?”
CC, but Tex should be explored as well.
Brandon: What’s your solution for 1b?
Rebecca I’d first explore all options
James Loney
Matt Laporta
Ryan Garko
Adrian Gonzalez
Hank Blalock
Jay Bruce
Matt Gamels
Casey Kotchman
Find out if they gettable, also talk to teams blocking thier 1B studs, like Colorado, like a Texas, put it this way Hughes can be dangled this offseason if it lands a legit 1B stud prospect. You keep seeing teams like Texas and Milwaukee produce these players don’t just submit into this FA stick up.
COL 88 -
I know you were probably kidding but I could totally see Cash signing Sheets and saying he came at a bargain price and Cash likes of the challenge of a reclamation project like Sheets and feels he got a steal and a guy who could anchor our rotation.
Well if you’re willing to shop Hughes for a 1B, then we can get someone special and forget about Tex.
Brandon,
LOL. Cashman won’t be trading Hughes for a 1B. Maybe Nady. haha.
Brandon -
Jay Bruce isn’t a 1b.
The MLB division series viewership is down by 20% over last years numbers. The NY Yankees not playing and the vice presidential debate are being listed as the top 2 reasons for that occuring.
Less viewership is less ad dollars generated for MLB. There will be no vice presidnetial debate next year so that’s easily addressed. Now Bud Selig just needs to have a serious talk with all the umpires and let them know the Yankees in the playoffs is good for the economy of the game and to keep that in mind on all borderline calls next year.
Cashman would never trade Hughes. He is too stubborn to ever do that. Sad, but true.
Brandon,
Do you do this to us on purpose?
Arrggh Joey Votto ! my bad
Sherman suggested Hughes for Votto.
I would do that in an instant. Too bad Cash wouldn’t
pat,
But think of all the great storylines. Torre. Red Sox. Lester. The Devil Rays (that’s right, I said it).
haha.
I’m cheering for the Rays and the Phils. Phils to win it all.
“Tex OR CC?â€
CC: 88
Tex: 133
Tex has produced 50% more WinShares then CC over the last 6 years.
Tex will be cheaper.
A position player is less of an injury risk then a pitcher.
We have good pitching on the farm but few position players.
just trade kennedy and rasner fot jarrod saltalamacchia and play him at 1st until posada leaves, then shift him to C.
Sign-n-trade: Tex for Tabata.
OK?????
mel I don’t do this on purpose but you have to explore everything. Not just settle for putting the big paycheck there.
You got to remember Hughes isn’t the last pitching prospect we have. There is Chris Garcia, Dellin Betances, Zach McCallister, Wilkins De La Rosa, Andrew Brackman.. he isn’t guranteed anything over them in the long haul.
Mel…Imposter ????? Should I be flattered , never been taken for one before…..Brandon, much of the remedies for the club this winter will be via the mighty Yankee Dollar…The CF situation maybe resolved by a trade but the big ticket items will be secured by a certified check….Several certified checks….
Brandon, creo que tu eres loco si piensas que podemos tener LaPorta o Bruce…los dos son los mejor prospectos por sus equipos!
And yes, I realize I probably just invented a word there.
Kennedy and Rasner for Salty? Why stop there?
Why not Horne and Betemit for Hamilton?
or Duncan and Traber for Nefi Feliz?
Brandon,
I get you. But we’re not trading Hughes for something we can buy.
Develop good young pitching inhouse. Don’t throw out big contracts for pitchers who you don’t even know can handle New York. Tried and failed.
Wang’s been good. Joba will be good if he can stay healthy. The books not closed on Hughes. Brackman’s got a ML contract that guarantees him a role in ‘10. And on and on and on.
Nelfi Feliz, that guy is going to be a stud.
I want him
If anything’s getting traded, it’s bullpen arms. The cup is soon to be overfloweth.
Rebecca tu te imaginas si Phil Hughes te ayudas adquirir unos de eso peloteros com un Loney, o un Votto o un LaPorta ?
mark007
October 7th, 2008 at 1:08 am
just trade kennedy and rasner fot jarrod saltalamacchia and play him at 1st until posada leaves, then shift him to C.
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Have you ever seen Saltalamachhia play first base? The only two things he’s done worse as a major leaguer is hit and catch.
mel he pitched in Toronto it’s not that different of a big city. And he won a WS on our field. So which position player signed as a FA longterm other has been worth it ?, remember Tino and Paul were traded for.
GB7,
If Salty’s last name was Smith, are we even talking about him? He’s got a great last name.
In my opinion,someone can win a lot of games for the team and bring huge contribution,and he is an ACE.
Wang is Ace.(19wins in 2007,2006)
Mussina is Ace.(20wins in 2008)
CC is Ace(see his performace in NL)
Stop talking who is the real ACE of the team.Someone always say at present Joba is an ace of the team.It’s very ridiculous and hurt the team.For me,he is a rookie and so for his contribution isn’t enough to say he is an ace of the team.To see Rays and Redsox,I don’t think that we have much time to waste to go on the unmeaningful issue.In the rotation,we need every starters’ performance look like ace level.In the line-up,we need each player respect and play well for every games including playoff game.For the moment,I just know Rays and Redsox are very sharp and great.Their players perform great and always not give up to win every games.They can hang together to finish victory’ goal and not let their fans down.Although I am not their fan,but I am very admire their attitude and spirit.It will be very difficult to beat them in next season.
Brandon: Pienso que tomarè Joba para LaPorta… LaPorta es diferente con Votto o Loney; sera la cara del equipo en uno o dos años.
Pero, Votto o Loney…no conozco mucho de Loney, pero, de Votto, pienso que Hughes y otro jugadore…es posible. Me gusta Votto.
Remind me again * which position player signed as a FA longterm other been worth it ?, remember Tino and Paul were traded for.
A-Rod was worth it, the best player in baseball
Matsui did very well for us here, before the wrist injury he was a force.
Sheffield was a melcontent but he hit and hit in big spots here. The team lost its balls when they lost him. He was a force in our lineup.
Damon was a good signing, still a productive leadoff hitter.
Brandon,
Who are you talking about? Roger Clemens?
I’m not saying it’s impossible. I’m saying it might be a better strategy to develop your own pitching. That’s all.
Works for Minny. Just might work for us.
Rebecca creo que ceras posible adquirar un Laporta o Votto, pero Hughes vas tener que tas en el negocio. Hughes y Cox a Cle puedes traer un Laporta. Votto creo que Hughes es el nombre que pones a Cincy a piensar.
Brandon: Reggie Jackson?
Joba is the Ace Apparent.
But apparently not yet an ace.
If someone gives you a good deal for Hughes, you absolutely take it.
Nobody is untouchable except Joba. Part of building a farm is using excess parts to trade for help in other areas which you are not deep in.
We have excess BP arms but who is going to give us anything for some middle relievers? Veras, Edwar, etc. would bring back a bench player at best.
This theory holds even more true if you can nab 2 FA pitchers this year, that allows you to trade Hughes for a young bat.
BB,
Single space after comma and double space after period will make your great points easier to read.
You said it. Great defense can win you games.
Brandon: De Votto, tienes razon. Pero, de LaPorta, no se.
A-Rod was worth it, the best player in baseball
Uhuh yet people bash him daily..
Matsui did very well for us here, before the wrist injury he was a force.
He’s been hurt the last 3 seasons and stinks in the OF
Sheffield was a melcontent but he hit and hit in big spots here. The team lost its balls when they lost him. He was a force in our lineup.
Yup but we got Abreu who…nevermind on that point. I might give you Sheff.
Damon was a good signing, still a productive leadoff hitter.
Had Damon not had a better yr. this year w/ the bat people would have hated this one. He was alright nothing to brag about. Noodle arm, can’t bunt to save his life
Joba is an ace. The Yankees are just being nice and letting Wang hold on to the title.
As they say, you don’t lose your job to injury.
Nick,
Joba won’t be eligible until he can reach the 200 IP requirement.
Matsui for some reason is very overrated. He is nothing anymroe, he puts up empty stats. I would move him in a heartbeat this winter.
Rebecca recuerdate que Cleveland queria Hughes arriba de todo, Hughes y Jackson eras para CC, pero Laporta creo que con Hughes y Cox se puedes.
mel
October 7th, 2008 at 1:21 am
GB7,
If Salty’s last name was Smith, are we even talking about him? He’s got a great last name.
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Nobody would even know who he is if the name was Smith? He was billed as a top talent in the minors, but, it hasn’t carried over to the big leagues, and his minor league numbers weren’t that special. His brother had the same build-up out of college and flopped.
Did you just say they wanted Hughes and Jackson for CC but we should could get Laporte for Hughes and Cox?
GB7,
That’s what I mean. Does his name catchy name keep him relevant?
grrrr, mel, I said that same thing two months ago!!!
so i see shields choked again
what else is new? any 3 run singles tonight or were all the runs clean?
patrick-
Think of it this way.
Shields to Red Sox is as Arthur Rhoads to Yankees.
Did you just say they wanted Hughes and Jackson for CC but we should could get Laporte for Hughes and Cox?
Yup. Cleveland for a fact wanted Hughes over everything at the trade deadline, they asked for Hughes/Jackson for CC, Cash turned that down but seeing Laporta is no sure thing MLB yet and has no service yr. in MLB yet if the Yankees take one of thier possible rule 5 and package them w/ Hughes it may land you Laporta.
Hughes for Jay Bruce.
mel
October 7th, 2008 at 1:37 am
GB7,
That’s what I mean. Does his name catchy name keep him relevant?
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Evidently so, Mel. I can’t figure out what people see in him. I know that a lot of people only remember the name and don’t bother looking at the results. I get the same feeling about a few other “highly touted” names.
Brandon: Ah, eso no no recuerdo como conjugar ’saber’ en el preterito!
Entonces, tu me creo.
Al from Burger King, I would do that in a heartbeat! I’d trade him for Votto too.
I’d be VERT interested in Hughes/Cox for Matt LaPorta.
Wonder of the Indians would do it.
The Javelinas play 12:35 p.m. tomorrow. Is that MST?
Anyone know if Big Bust Hughes is pitching? He seems to be one of the headliners.
How do you pronouncr Javalinas? Is it like Jalapeno?
“Al from Burger King, I would do that in a heartbeat! I’d trade him for Votto too.”
I love Bruce’s power 21 bombs in a little over 400 AB’s at Yankee Stadium the kid would hit 40+ every year.
Does anyone know if Votto has a good glove. His bat is great but the only way I give Cincy Hughes is if this kid can field.
AL –
He has 11 errors in 1B with a .991 fielding pct.
* in 144 games.
Brandon,
I don’t understand how you say it’s either sign Teixeira or sign 2 top starters and then say that he’s going to get between $17 and $22 million per year. Which starting pitchers are available for a combined $17, or for that matter, $22 million a year? Oliver Perez will probably get $15 a year and he’s hardly a top pitcher.
As much as I want the Yankees to sign CC, if they decide they can’t afford CC and Teixeira, I’d rather they sign Teixeira and Burnett. You also say the Yankees have a more pressing need at RF, well, Nady is there and his glove is fine there. Adding Teixeira’s bat allows the Yankees to play Gardner a good amount at CF, improving the OF defense.
You argue that Girardi said that the rotation is the priority, and I definitely agree that it’s important. However, I take what Cashman says more seriously and he said that the offense scoring 200 less runs is the reason the Yankees are not in the playoffs. He also said he wants a real first baseman to play first base and he wants the team to get younger. Here’s Nady and Teixeira’s combined numbers compared to Giambi and Abreu:
.307/.384/.531 vs .272/.372/.487
That’s a big improvement, they are much younger, and they are only committed to Nady for 1 more year. It also brings in a slugger to take pressure off of A-Rod.