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Thoughts on the playoffs (and other other random things)

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Oct 06, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Do you think Craig Sager looks at himself in the mirror after he puts on the purple suit with white stripes and says, “Damn I look good.”

A few other thoughts on the playoffs:

* That Frank Caliendo show on TBS could well be the greatest television program since M*A*S*H. But thanks to a marketing strategy that appears centered on annoying as many people as possible with incessant commercials, nobody will watch it.

* Francisco Rodriguez will make a big pile of money as a free agent. But how in the world can a guy who throws like that possibly stay healthy over three or four years? He bends awkwardly then flings himself to the ground every time he throws. It hurts just to watch it.

* Bob Schaefer is Joe Torre’s bench coach with the Dodgers. He is from Putnam, Conn., a little town in the northeast corner of the state. His first job in baseball was being the head coach of Ledyard (Conn.) High School. He’s had just about every job in baseball there is.

* Mike Lowell’s hip and J.D. Drew’s back could keep Boston from advancing to the World Series if they finish off the Angels. Lowell is moving around like Captain Ahab out there.

* Manny Ramirez must be taking acting lessons from somebody in Hollywood given how well he’s convinced everybody in Los Angeles what a good teammate he is. Scott Boras is playing chess and everybody else is playing checkers.

* TBS should win some sort of Comeback Player of the Year award. The quality of their broadcasts has improved significantly since last year. Harold Reynolds is good. Buck Martinez, too.

* Heard this the other day: The Mets have abandoned Shea Stadium and all of their employees are working at Citi Field. The new Yankee Stadium is still very much a construction site. I’m sure it’ll be ready for Opening Day, but shouldn’t things be a little further along at this point?

* I love that people read a box score from a winter league game in Hawaii and decide that Jeremy Bleich stinks. Here’s a crazy thought: The scouts who watched every inning he threw at Stanford might know a little bit more than you do reading a box score from a game played 5,000 miles away.

* Would knowing the Mets might try to sign him give the Yankees more motivation to sign Bobby Abreu? Should it?

* Mark Teixeira’s sister lives in Hoboken, by the way.

* The more you watch guys like Papelbon and K-Rod jump around after getting three outs, the more you appreciate the dignity of Mariano Rivera. Unfortunately, he’s the anomaly these days.

* Here’s what CC Sabathia said after the Brewers were bounced: “I want to get it done pretty quick. I try to be as less free as possible. All that is is stress, having it drag on through the winter. We’ll see what happens. I can guarantee you I won’t be flying around going to different cities. I’ve pretty much been to every city. I’ve got a lot of friends around the league. They’re going to have to come to me.”

* I can see where the Yankees might not want to pick up the $6 million option on Damaso Marte, who had problems throwing a strike in the AL. But wouldn’t it make sense to pick it up and then try and trade him? If you agree to pick up $3 million, you could get a pretty good prospect or two in return.

* The Yankees will have their own pick in the first round in 2009 and the compensation pick for Gerrit Cole and possibly a compensation pick for Abreu depending on who signs him and at least two picks in the second round as they’ll get compensation for Scott Bittle. That’s five of the first 75 picks or so depending on how many picks the sandwich round is.

Of course, they could lose their first rounder if they sign somebody. But regardless, the draft will set up well for them.

* This video on Astros.com is hilarious.

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292 Responses to “Thoughts on the playoffs (and other other random things)”

  1. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut October 6th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    I wonder who the Yankees will be sending to see CC.

  2. Summer October 6th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    “The more you watch guys like Papelbon and K-Rod jump around after getting three outs, the more you appreciate the dignity of Mariano Rivera. Unfortunately, he’s the anomaly these days.”

    I said that to one of my friends as we watched the game. K-Rod walked two and barely got out of the inning. Papelbon had a rough second inning as well, yet both of them did the clown dance coming off the mound. At least save that kind of behavior for when you, uh…actually pitch an inning worthy of that kind of celebration.

  3. GoSox October 6th, 2008 at 1:05 am

    “The more you watch guys like Papelbon and K-Rod jump around after getting three outs, the more you appreciate the dignity of Mariano Rivera. Unfortunately, he’s the anomaly these days.”

    Funny that you left Joba out of this sentence. Must’ve just forgotten about him, huh?

  4. Steve October 6th, 2008 at 1:05 am

    Nice job Pete, now go to sleep!

  5. AJ YANKS October 6th, 2008 at 1:08 am

    Yankees need to send George, Hank, Hal, Jennifer, Felix the Gardner, Jeter, Posada, A-Rod, Mo, Pettitte, Girardi all out to San Francisco individually to recruit CC here.

  6. Al from BK October 6th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    “Here’s what CC Sabathia said after the Brewers were bounced: “I want to get it done pretty quick. I try to be as less free as possible. All that is is stress, having it drag on through the winter. We’ll see what happens. I can guarantee you I won’t be flying around going to different cities. I’ve pretty much been to every city. I’ve got a lot of friends around the league. They’re going to have to come to me.””

    Call him up offer 7/140 tell him that we have wanted a pitcher of his caliber for nearly a decade and that he will be greatly appreciated and adored here.

  7. Nick in SF October 6th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    I’m passing through Vallejo tomorrow. I can pull off the freeway for a few minutes if anyone thinks it’ll help.

  8. Al from BK October 6th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    ““The more you watch guys like Papelbon and K-Rod jump around after getting three outs, the more you appreciate the dignity of Mariano Rivera. Unfortunately, he’s the anomaly these days.”

    Funny that you left Joba out of this sentence. Must’ve just forgotten about him, huh?”

    I refuse to feed you. BTW your Sux are gonna take the L tonight loser.

  9. NITRO October 6th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    No joke, but if CC gets wind of Girardi’s mindless ‘no candy’ rule, that makes us a hell of a lot less appealing.

    CC had said he wants to go to a place where he can have fun. Not where he had to adhere to these Wall Street rules.

  10. #9 October 6th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    “The Mets have abandoned Shea Stadium and all of their employees are working at Citi Field.”

    The Mets employees were moving offices during final week of season from what I hear which must have made things a bit chaotic.

  11. Alfred E. Kennedy October 6th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    Al from Burger King,

    That’s the key. Cashman cannot get conservative. He must offer CC the blank check. Now that he seems open to coming to NY, we need to put on a full court press to get him here. If he still turns us down, then atleast we can go down swinging. We cannot treat him like any other pitcher. An ace of his caliber will NEVER hit the market for the foreseeable future.

  12. pat m in ct October 6th, 2008 at 1:16 am

    It does hurt to watch K-Rod’s motion. The topic of his motion came up on the prior thread with GB7 comparing it to Gossage’s motion. Not only does it look painful, but he’s in a bad position to field anything hit hard back. Not an impressive performance tonight or last.

  13. raymagnetic October 6th, 2008 at 1:16 am

    GoSox,

    Go somewhere, go anywhere, like a red Sox blog why don’t ya.

  14. Al from BK October 6th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    “Al from Burger King,

    That’s the key. Cashman cannot get conservative. He must offer CC the blank check. Now that he seems open to coming to NY, we need to put on a full court press to get him here. If he still turns us down, then atleast we can go down swinging. We cannot treat him like any other pitcher. An ace of his caliber will NEVER hit the market for the foreseeable future.”

    You’re absolutely correct.

  15. mel October 6th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    Well, that was an entertaining game that could’ve went wrong one hundred ways.

    What does Teixeira’s sister have to do with anything?

    If the Angels don’t advance out of the first round, I wonder if Tex will want to go to a team like the Yankees? Hmmm.

    I’ve counted 3 people who don’t want Tex. The population on the island is growing…

  16. mel October 6th, 2008 at 1:19 am

    How does K-rod not slip a disk?

  17. Paddy R October 6th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    great point about bleich pete (and hughes and kennedy earlier in the day). if there is anything we have learned from lester and pelfry and danks and floyd and volquez and others this year, it’s that you have to wait and see, because you just don’t know. no matter how great minor league stat lines look, the guy could stink. no matter how bad a guy looks in his first season in the majors, he could turn out to be terrific. it’s a very basic notion, but yet many expert fans want to determine how good or bad someone is going to be based on box scores. fun to follow, but that’s all you can do: follow. really tough to make any serious conclusions based on it. even the guys watching these kids every day just don’t know. have to wait and see, and hope that the expert talent evaluators come up right more than they do wrong.

  18. AJ YANKS October 6th, 2008 at 1:24 am

    mel

    When Teixeira was with the Braves, one of the writers did an interview with him and he said that he visits this ares a lot because his sister and her husband live/work here and he loves NY and loves big cities in general. He echoed those statements when an Anaheim writer asked him his favorite AL road cities, he responded Anahiem, Seattle, and NY.

    Basically he has done everything legally that he could to let us know he wants to come here.

  19. Nick in SF October 6th, 2008 at 1:24 am

    It’s good that CC wants to sign somewhere quickly. We’re going to have to order a lot of pinstriped uniform material if he chooses the NYY. They might have to open up a second factory.

  20. mel October 6th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    AJ,

    Really? Those ‘what’s your favorite port?’ questions are really loaded!

    Nick,

    Just get a stencil and paint on the stripes. Just make sure they’re vertical.

  21. Nick in SF October 6th, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Paint the stripes onto what? Surplus circus tent?

    This is CC, we have to class it up!

  22. X-Mann October 6th, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Did Boras make the trip to Boston to see his clients? Or was he busy composing a plan on how he can screw baseball again this winter?

  23. Al from BK October 6th, 2008 at 1:30 am

    “It’s good that CC wants to sign somewhere quickly. We’re going to have to order a lot of pinstriped uniform material if he chooses the NYY. They might have to open up a second factory.”

    Lol, Nick he might be a 60 Tall as far as jerseys go.

  24. R-Tek October 6th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    Yankees baseball has been over for exactly a week, feels much longer than that.

  25. mel October 6th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    Nick,

    Just get Costanza on it. He knows what to use.

    X-Mann,

    Boras doesn’t travel. He’s got clones in every port. Creepy.

  26. mel October 6th, 2008 at 1:35 am

    ST early this year, no? So maybe 4 months until P&C?

  27. pat October 6th, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Nick in SF

    LOL. If you still have that last Moose Bar bring it with you to Vallejo as a gift. Your kindness will be rewarded in wins next year.

    Other teams might be closer to home or willing to offer a better deal but how many teams have fans who care enough to offer you their last Moose Bar? That’s a place I’d want to pitch!

  28. pete's typewriter October 6th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    “make sure they’re vertical”

    The Yankees have been dead for years….. Might want to paint them horizontal.

  29. mel October 6th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    pt,

    haha. the stripes, not the players.

  30. steve October 6th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    whatever happened to shelly duncan?

  31. Nick in SF October 6th, 2008 at 1:48 am

    pat, I would GLADLY give CC my last Moose Bar, especially since I have a whole case on its way (soon), but I wouldn’t want it to melt while I drive around all day before I get to Vallejo. It’s still in the 80′s in the outer counties of the Bay Area.

    I also wouldn’t want to get CC all hooked on Moose Bars and then have him sour on NY if Moose doesn’t come back.

  32. mel October 6th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Nick,

    Give him the damn Moose Bar. Otherwise he might eat Moose. :P

  33. Ed - looking forward to 2009 [supporting the Pineapple Express] October 6th, 2008 at 1:56 am

    aww..Brad Ausmus retiring? that was a funny tribute video.

  34. Nick in SF October 6th, 2008 at 1:57 am

    It might be better if people don’t mention that Moose Bar.

    Livan has a source on this board, you know.

  35. Ed - looking forward to 2009 [supporting the Pineapple Express] October 6th, 2008 at 1:59 am

    ok, its been killing me.

    what’s a moose bar? lol

  36. mel October 6th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    I don’t know, Ed. But one of the funniest scenes ever was some kids putting a candy bar into a swimming pool.

    Anyone remember the movie?

  37. Ed - looking forward to 2009 [supporting the Pineapple Express] October 6th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Mel –

    I got no idea. how old was the movie?

  38. pat October 6th, 2008 at 2:09 am

    Ed

    What’s a Moose Bar? Did you really ask what a Moose Bar is? Just a little piece of chocolatey peanutty heaven is what it is. And the proceeds go to the kids. How could it get any better than that!

  39. Nick in SF October 6th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    Caddyshack.

    http://tinyurl.com/Moose-Bars

  40. Ed - looking forward to 2009 [supporting the Pineapple Express] October 6th, 2008 at 2:15 am

    Pat –

    thanks for the explain. i never did heard of a moose bar never in my 24 years old life. I know about the proceeds to the kids chocolate selling, but never knew it was called a “moose bar”.

  41. mel October 6th, 2008 at 2:15 am

    Ed,

    Oooh. Forgot. You’re in your 20′s. It’s from the 70′s or 80′s.

    Pat,

    Are they affiliated with Mike Mussina?

  42. Ed - looking forward to 2009 [supporting the Pineapple Express] October 6th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    Nick –

    thanks. did you actually brought those? lol

  43. Ed - looking forward to 2009 [supporting the Pineapple Express] October 6th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Mel -

    8) its ok…

  44. Nick in SF October 6th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    Yes, I promised to buy an order if Moose won some important game that he ended up winning and then I promised to buy a whole case if he won 20 games. Yum. They’re really good. Like high-quality Reece’s.

  45. mel October 6th, 2008 at 2:20 am

    Dang, Nick.

    Are you sure you’re not this guy?

    http://www.npr.org/programs/wa.....60225.html

  46. Ed - looking forward to 2009 [supporting the Pineapple Express] October 6th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    Nick –

    lol alrites, that’s a pretty cool promise.

  47. Nick in SF October 6th, 2008 at 2:32 am

    Nah, Caddyshack is easy. My brother can quote every line. Me, just some of them.

    So I got that goin’ for me… which is nice.

  48. Sean October 6th, 2008 at 2:41 am

    “I love that people read a box score from a winter league game in Hawaii and decide that Jeremy Bleich stinks. Here’s a crazy thought: The scouts who watched every inning he threw at Stanford might know a little bit more than you do reading a box score from a game played 5,000 miles away.”

    my crazy thoughts:

    1) maybe the architects of the new yankee stadium know a little more about its development than you
    2) maybe the tbs marketers know more about frank caliendo commercials than you
    3) maybe general managers know more about k-rod’s pitching mechanics than you

    a large portion of this blog is based off the same concept that you are belittling.

    hypocrite much?

  49. EY October 6th, 2008 at 2:43 am

    Hey Sox troll why aren’t you trolling some Angels blog?

  50. Lofa October 6th, 2008 at 2:56 am

    “But wouldn’t it make sense to pick it up and then try and trade him? If you agree to pick up $3 million, you could get a pretty good prospect or two in return.”

    The Yanks don’t need Marte, so this seems like a reasonable idea.

    But another idea would be to decline his option. Then he is a feee agent. The Yanks can offer him salary arbitration. If he accepts, then they can go back to your scenario and try to trade him. If he declines, then they will get Type A compensation when he leaves, which means 2 draft picks. That is a pretty sweet haul for a guy who would only throw 80 innings at most next season. This way you avoid the possibility of not finding a good trade or trade partner.

  51. Art Vandelay October 6th, 2008 at 3:29 am

    Is it me or Harold Reynolds sounds like Chris Rock? All Harold has to do is to not hug any females on the TBS staff.

  52. crawdaddie October 6th, 2008 at 4:44 am

    Peter,
    If the Yankees sign CC and Tex, but lose Abreu to another team, they’ll have two 1st round draft choices, one supplemental draft choice between the 1st and 2nd round and one 2nd round draft choice.

    They get a first round and supplemental pick if Abreu signs with another team, but they have to offer him salary arbitration which he should turned down because he wants a three year contract. That other 1st round pick and the 2nd round pick come from not signing Cole and Brittle this year.

    It’s also possible that Cashman has a handshake agreement from Irod (“B” Free Agent) that he’ll turn down salary arbitration if offered when he negotiated his trade from Detroit to the Yankees. If so, that’s another supplemental pick for a signed “B” free agent.

    I still think the Yankees will sign both, Mussina and Pettitte and let Giambi walk. Since Giambi is a “B” free agent, he might sign before December 1st because a team won’t lose a pick (supplemental pick between 1st and 2nd) for signing him which means the Yankees can offer him arbitration after the fact and still get another supplemental pick.

    Also, let Marte (“A” free agent) walk or sign him to a two year contract for 4M per.

    If the Yankees work it right and are lucky, they can have 2 1st round picks, 3 supplemental picks between 1st & 2nd rounds and 1 2nd round pick while losing their own 1st and 2nd round picks for signing two type “A” free agents.

  53. gayle October 6th, 2008 at 7:14 am

    Love Harold Reynolds always thought he was good at ESPN and he is really good on TBS. Looking forward to him being on the MLB Network.

    In terms of people moving into Citifield already. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe they started WAY before they even broke ground in the Bronx on the NEW Yankee Stadium so they should be much further ahead.

  54. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 7:36 am

    “Sean
    October 6th, 2008 at 2:41 am
    “I love that people read a box score from a winter league game in Hawaii and decide that Jeremy Bleich stinks. Here’s a crazy thought: The scouts who watched every inning he threw at Stanford might know a little bit more than you do reading a box score from a game played 5,000 miles away.”
    my crazy thoughts:
    1) maybe the architects of the new yankee stadium know a little more about its development than you
    2) maybe the tbs marketers know more about frank caliendo commercials than you
    3) maybe general managers know more about k-rod’s pitching mechanics than you
    a large portion of this blog is based off the same concept that you are belittling.
    hypocrite much?”

    sean: lighten up. IMO, pete was right on all counts.

    a post like yours, would make someone not even want to keep a blog. Lighten up.

  55. murphydog October 6th, 2008 at 7:57 am

    I’m not sweating the Stadium’s readiness… yet. Big name construction projects (The New Yankee Stadium) with players like Turner, Skanska, Tishman-Speyer, HOK and The Yankees usually get done on time, if not on budget. The Yankees will pay extra to get work accelerated if necessary – The Steinbrenners don’t strike me as the type who fear change orders. Plus there are probably early completion incentives built into everyone’s contracts.

    No worries.

  56. CLIFTON PARK NY JEFF October 6th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    MURPHYDOG,

    Good point about change orders. people as savvy as the steinbrenners probably had an army of people going over these plans with fine tooth comb, trying to eliminat headaches before thet even broke ground,imo

  57. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 8:19 am

    Art Vandelay

    I said that the other day! I think Harold Reynolds sounds exactly like Chris Rock!

    In the Star Ledger this morning it quotes CC Sabathia as saying he won’t be going for the money – he wants to be happy.

    http://www.nj.com/sportsflash/.....t=baseball

    So, as I’ve been saying, you can’t force someone to do something they don’t want to do. It’s CC’s decision, ultimately. All the Yankees can do is try to convince him, within reason, that he’ll be happy here.

  58. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 8:34 am

    i know that people believe Teixeira is overrated, and that he’s not worth the money he’ll certainly get in his next contract.

    but to me, with the struggles the Yankees have had the past couple years or so at the position, and taking into consideration the production you are going to lose with Bobby Abreu gone, it makes all the sense in the world to press hard to sign Teixiera.

    they have no serious corner IF prospects, and there arent many guys of Teixeira’s abilities that make the open market now.

    you can say the yankees will make a trade to import a young 1B from any organization, but then the minute you bring up moving Cano, Hughes, or AJackson (AKA anything in the organization or system worth mentioning) everything is outright completely dismissed, for good reason or not.

    now, i dont think Cashman will be afraid to make a move if he has to, but this falls under the same premise, to me, that Johan fell under last year, and Sabathia this year.

    why spend prospects and money for one player, when you can get another established player in his prime for just money?

  59. Russell NY October 6th, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Mets should get Abreu, they don’t have enough Latino Ballplayers. In fact, the White guy in right field who dislikes the Mets would be replaced by the latino. Didn’t see that comin.

  60. Mike B. October 6th, 2008 at 8:40 am

    I am not sure going after Teixeira is the right move for the Yankees. If you fans out there remember it was seven years ago that we felt the same need to go after Giambi. Now as Pete has written Giambi is a stand up guy with a great personality. My belief here is that we are getting ourselves all worked up over another similar power hitter/first baseman that may end up just like Giambi, a player who who can give you a few good seasons but also comes with some controversy.

  61. tmart October 6th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Russell NY-

    Look at the Yankees roster and you’ll be amazed by the fact that the Yankees only have five-more latinos players than the mets. So, get your behind out of here with your racism criticism.

  62. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    “My belief here is that we are getting ourselves all worked up over another similar power hitter/first baseman that may end up just like Giambi, a player who who can give you a few good seasons but also comes with some controversy.”

    controversy? what controversy?

  63. Neil October 6th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Very heartwarming to see the Socks bullpen throw 109 pitches making their services difficult to count on for Game 4. The classless Paperbone threw 31 by himself.

    I suspect that it will be the Captain and Jorgie that will make every effort to sell Sabathia to come to NYC.
    His buddy LeBron James might do the same.
    Good to hear that he doesn’t want it to drag on with a city by city tour.
    Boston not likely to be a player with John Henry’s hedge funds in jeopardy.

  64. rl1856 October 6th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    The quote from Sabathia is very revealing of his state of mind. He doesn’t seem to like outside preasure and attention. He seems to be a guy who likes to fade into the background when not pitching. He doesn’t want to put up with the prolonged stress of negotiating for top dollar.

    Sounds like he wont be signing with a high profile team in a media intense city. Translation- he wont be in NY (Mets or Yankees) or Boston and will likely sign for less than what the NY and Boston teams offer. Then again, I seem to recall another pitcher who essentially did the same thing- Greg Maddux- he turned down more money from NY when he signed with the Braves. Look for Sabathia to do something similar.

  65. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 8:50 am

    signing another first baseman to 100+ million long-term contract will be a mistake.

    if Texeria was a 5-tool outfielder, would be a different story. We don’t need to lock up a first baeman for that type of contract, to win.

    Cashman will need to get creative. This is what other reputable GM’s do. Trades, etc. And not play fantasy baseball, everytime a premire FA is available. Know what gentlemen? It doesn’t work. We’ve tried.

    Catcher is the deepest position in the NY system. Players like Posada, Cervelli, Montero, and Romine will need a place to play. They may not all make it, some will however. Not to mention Laird (fist base).

    the roster needs to get younger and ++ athletic. Tex is young. He is not athletic (sorry, he plays 1st). Save the $$$$$$, for a player who is both.

  66. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 8:54 am

    “if Texeria was a 5-tool outfielder, would be a different story. We don’t need to lock up a first baeman for that type of contract, to win.”

    if your OF consists of Johnny Damon, Brett Gardner, and Xavier Nady, you’ve got to guarantee yourself some offense in the middle of the lineup somewhere, no?

  67. Tom October 6th, 2008 at 8:57 am

    I’ve posted this before RE Teixeira:

    Average season (Per 162 games played)

    36HR, 121RBI, .290 BA, .378OBP, .919 OPS

    Compare those stats with David Ortiz’s 162 game average:

    36HR, 121RBI, 287BA, .382OBP, .936OPS.

    Tex’s stats are right there with Ortiz. Throw in the fact that he’s a gold gloove winning 1b and a switch hitter and realize just how complete a player he is.

    Signing him to a 7 year contract would not be an awful thing. Those would be his age 29-35 seasons. Those are “prime years.

    I would still prefer the Yankees sign CC if its an either or situation though.

  68. jennifer October 6th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    EY
    October 6th, 2008 at 2:43 am
    Hey Sox troll why aren’t you trolling some Angels blog?

    __________

    Cause even when the Yankees are out of it, they still obesses about the Yankees. :)

    Sox troll btw, no way can you compare a little fist pump to krod twirling crotching on the ground, and paplebon pounding his chest.

  69. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    turnTwo: you right. There have to be optional ways, rather then signing a player for 6yrs 130+ million. Other good GM’s find ways. Trades, non-tenders, etc.

    the 1998 yankees were not stacked at every position (ie sluggers). Yet they produced runs.

  70. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 9:03 am

    “I would still prefer the Yankees sign CC if its an either or situation though.”

    idk if i agree or disagree. i’m still on the fence about whether to offer CC a blank check, or spend as much for him instead on 2 quality veteran arms.

    but i agree… its like people see Teixeira as some lumbering 35 year old past his prime 1B.

    this is the type of FA the Yankees should be looking at, and makes sense.

  71. Boston Dave October 6th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    definitely keep marte and use him or trade him. no doubt.

    and i wasnt sold on teixera but seeing him so far with the angels, he seems like he’ll be worth the money. however, he also appears to be a bit of a second half player…. but at least he’s hitting in the playoffs (against tough pitching)

  72. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 9:06 am

    If people don’t want Teixeira because of the anticipated length of contract/money, that’s understandable. But I don’t see the guy as coming with any controversy at all. Also, I don’t recall that “everyone” wanted Giambi. At least as far as the people I know and I are concerned, we were a little befuddled – why replace Tino? We didn’t think we needed a new first baseman.

    This is different circumstances. I think we’ll have to wait and see how the state of our economy is affecting the free agent offers this off-season. Players might come slightly cheaper this year (perhaps that is wishful thinking on my part).

    I’m not saying whether the Yankees should or should not get Teixeira. Just that it’s a different situation than Giambi altogether. Not to mention the PED issue.

  73. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 9:06 am

    what-up, Tom

    yes, Tex is a productive player.

    except he is no where near the player Ortiz is (ie clutch). Ask the Atlanta Braves. Who’s playoff streak ended, the season Tex was on the roster. He is not a superstar who carries a team. However, he will be paid like one.

  74. Mike B. October 6th, 2008 at 9:06 am

    TurnTwo what I mean is that with Giambi it looked like he would be the answer to our problems and bring a World Series title. With Teixiera we might wind up in the same situation with a distraction (i.e. begnin tumor, admitting to doing steroids) as seen with Giambi.

  75. Boston Dave October 6th, 2008 at 9:07 am

    what are the odds that CC misses significant time during his next deal?

    how many innings has he thrown the past 2 seasons? 500???

  76. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    “the 1998 yankees were not stacked at every position (ie sluggers). Yet they produced runs.”

    spare me. i never said they need to go out and buy FAs to fill up every position. and you will NEVER recreate what that team posessed.

    i said they should target a 1B who is a perennial in-his-prime All Star 1B who can provide production in the middle of the order, improve defense at 1B, and fill an organization hole where no prospects currently project mlb production.

  77. Brian (Red Sox fan) October 6th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    TurnTwo – this is the first time I’ve watched Texeira for an extended period of time. He is an EXTREMELY tough out …. can hit balls on the edges of the strike zone with authority, though he hasn’t shown any power so far (in this series).
    He’s good with the glove, but I haven’t seen anything eye-popping. Solid defender, nothing more (or less).
    And I was surprised at how well he ran, especially for a big man.

    If Abreu goes, he’d be a great 3 hole hitter ….. but I’m not original in saying, at what price?

    To quote Dire Straits, “The boy can play!”

  78. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    I don’t think that going after Teixeira has anything in common with the Giambi situation. The circumstances are different. First of all, I don’t believe Teixeira has any controversy surrounding him. If you don’t think the Yankees should spend their money on him, or give him the length of contract he is supposedly looking for, that’s one thing, but I don’t think there’s controversy attached to Teixeira.

    Also, I don’t know about people here, but I know that for my friends and myself, we really didn’t understand the need for Giambi at the time. I mean, the Yankees had Tino, after all, and he was beloved.

    I’m not saying whether I think the Yankees should pursue Teixeira, but if they do, and they do get him, I don’t think it will play out the same as the Giambi years. (He’s a better defensive player, he’s a switch hitter and so far as anyone knows, there should be no post-PED falloff.) Perhaps due to the state of our economy, the contracts offered FAs this off-season will be structured differently – perhaps they’ll be cheaper, or perhaps there will be less competition than originally anticipated because of some teams having to tighten their belts. The Yankees might get lucky for once.

  79. GreenBeret7 October 6th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    vinny-b
    October 6th, 2008 at 8:50 am
    signing another first baseman to 100+ million long-term contract will be a mistake.

    if Texeria was a 5-tool outfielder, would be a different story. We don’t need to lock up a first baeman for that type of contract, to win.

    Cashman will need to get creative. This is what other reputable GM’s do. Trades, etc. And not play fantasy baseball, everytime a premire FA is available. Know what gentlemen? It doesn’t work. We’ve tried.

    Catcher is the deepest position in the NY system. Players like Posada, Cervelli, Montero, and Romine will need a place to play. They may not all make it, some will however. Not to mention Laird (fist base).

    the roster needs to get younger and ++ athletic. Tex is young. He is not athletic (sorry, he plays 1st). Save the $$$$$$, for a player who is both.

    ___________________________________________________

    Forget about Cervelli. He’s not much more than a backup catcher for some team. As far as signing Teixiera goes, it’s going to take a long contract for a lot of money. The only way I’d consider signing him would be with a front loaded contract, decreasing a few million every year.

    If Laird developes fast, say within three years, it would make getting rid of Teixiera’s contract easier. The only thing they can do now is see if Laird and Romine can play the corner outfild slots. Romine, in particular needs to learn multiple positions such as corner outfield and corner infields. It will make him much more valuable to the team. He’s extremely athletic and fairly quick, but, he does have issues as a catcher with passed balls. That is something Pena needs to work on with both Romine and Montero.

  80. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Ooops, sorry for the repeated post – I didn’t think the original one went through.

  81. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    “If Abreu goes, he’d be a great 3 hole hitter ….. but I’m not original in saying, at what price?”

    id prefer hitting ARod 3rd and Texeira 4th, i think actually.

    and i dont care what he gets paid. im not a slave to the salary, or afraid of what other teams or their fans whine about.

    that said, im not paying him ARod money, or what Giambi was paid. he wants 10 years at $20 million per, and he’ll prob get 6 or 7 at $18 per when its all said and done. not unreasonable to me.

  82. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 9:17 am

    TurnTwo
    October 6th, 2008 at 9:09 am
    spare me. i never said they need to go out and buy FAs to fill up every position. and you will NEVER recreate what that team posessed.
    i said they should target a 1B who is a perennial in-his-prime All Star 1B who can provide production in the middle of the order, improve defense at 1B, and fill an organization hole where no prospects currently projected.

    didn’t say the 98 team would be duplicated.

    if you believe locking up Tex to a 130+ million longterm contract (and will require a no trade clause) is the only way to win. Fine. I disagree.

  83. Rich October 6th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    “Sox troll btw, no way can you compare a little fist pump to krod twirling crotching on the ground, and paplebon pounding his chest.”

    joba does a pirouette like a ballerina. its actually quite dandy!

  84. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    “if you believe locking up Tex to a 130+ million longterm contract (and will require a no trade clause) is the only way to win.”

    didnt say that. you want to read into that, thats fine.

    this team’s success will live or die with the rotation in 2009.

    but i dont understand this feeling now where its a bad thing to sign a free agent. if you lock up a FA long term, its bad for the team. its like yankees fans are now revolting against spending money to bring in a player who can help win.

  85. Tom October 6th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Good Morning Vinny,

    I do agree that the Yankees need more 5 tool players. But for argument sake (and I love baseball debates).

    Tex’s stats with runners in scoring pos. and two outs
    Average from ’05-’07

    188 AB, 14 HR, 89 Rbi, .309 BA, .472 .OBP, 1.089.OPS

    This year :
    65 AB, 5 HR, 29 RBI, .262 BA, .448 OBP, .956 OPS.

    He also Hit .352 with 8 HR and 25 RBI in “close and late” situations. And .308 with 8 hr, and 82(!) rbi with RISP. This year.

    Again, I would like to see the Yankees get more athletic. or even splitting the 20-25 mil it would take to sign Tex and using it to signing two .800-.850 OPS guys to play 1B-OF. However, signing Tex would not be the end of the world.

  86. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    TurnTwo
    October 6th, 2008 at 9:25 am
    this team’s success will live or die with the rotation in 2009.
    but i dont understand this feeling now where its a bad thing to sign a free agent. if you lock up a FA long term, its bad for the team. its like yankees fans are now revolting against spending money to bring in a player who can help win.”

    from my view, the stance of not signing Tex, have to do with limiting future options. In all liklihood this will be another player with a huge contract, and a no-trade clause. In addition he will be holding down a position other players will be able to fill in the coming years (Posada, Montero, Romine, or Laird). Do not wish to ship off talented players from our system, because they have no place to play.

    It doesn’t have to do with not spending money. It have to prefering to spend the money on the right player/at the right position. If this were a 25-29yr old athletic Outfielder, with the same production as Tex, then i would be the first person in line to sign him.

  87. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    “If this were a 25-29yr old athletic Outfielder, with the same production as Tex, then i would be the first person in line to sign him.”

    i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for this guy to hit the market if i were you.

  88. mark October 6th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    1) i am sure Lonn Trost knows what he is doing.

    2) KEEP MARTE!!!! the yanks already traded him once (and then tried for two years to get him back). let’s see how he does when he’s healthy. sheesh.

  89. mark October 6th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    regarding my point #1, i was referring to the construction pace of Yankee Stadium.

  90. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    “TurnTwo
    October 6th, 2008 at 9:25 am
    this team’s success will live or die with the rotation in 2009.”

    true. If everything were in place, and Texeria were the ‘missing piece’, then i believe the case for signing Tex would be strong. As it stands, i do not see him being the difference.

  91. mark October 6th, 2008 at 9:44 am

    and, please get lloyd mcclouth (or another super athletic, young CF). then, put nady and damon around him. get rid of abreu.

  92. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    “2) KEEP MARTE!!!! the yanks already traded him once (and then tried for two years to get him back). let’s see how he does when he’s healthy. sheesh.”

    yeah… how long have we heard about how Cashman wanted to trade and get him back. now, you finally get him and you’re going to trade him away after 2 months? just dont see it happening.

    plus, with Marte and Coke lined up for 2009, its the first time in god knows how many years they might have 2 effective lefties to come out of the pen.

    if you want to tell me they’ll decline the option, then offer arbitration and sign him to a longer-term deal, that i’ll believe.

    but i just dont see them getting rid of him now.

  93. MUDDYWATERS October 6th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Vinny, one of the problems this past season was having a batter who can hit with RISP.

    The great teams have pitching and offense and defense – a balance.

    Look at the Blue Jays this past season. They had great pitching and no offense. That doesn’t get you to the dance.

  94. Jeremy October 6th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    vinny-b,

    Teix looks like a big “missing piece” to me. Our offense took a huge dive this season and we don’t have a 1B for next season (assuming Giambi walks). Teixeira would be an ideal addition, which is why I think it’s much more likely the team signs him than Sabathia or Burnett.

  95. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    “Tom
    October 6th, 2008 at 9:26 am
    Good Morning Vinny,
    I do agree that the Yankees need more 5 tool players. But for argument sake (and I love baseball debates).
    Tex’s stats with runners in scoring pos. and two outs
    Average from ‘05-’07
    188 AB, 14 HR, 89 Rbi, .309 BA, .472 .OBP, 1.089.OPS
    This year :
    65 AB, 5 HR, 29 RBI, .262 BA, .448 OBP, .956 OPS.
    He also Hit .352 with 8 HR and 25 RBI in “close and late” situations. And .308 with 8 hr, and 82(!) rbi with RISP. This year.
    Again, I would like to see the Yankees get more athletic. or even splitting the 20-25 mil it would take to sign Tex and using it to signing two .800-.850 OPS guys to play 1B-OF. However, signing Tex would not be the end of the world.”

    Tom: if NYY signs him, the stats you posted will make me feel better. Do you remain interested in option of signing and/or trading for Blaylock? I believe you were the first person, who mentioned it.

  96. MUDDYWATERS October 6th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Marte did better once he was being used in shorter roles and got over his soreness from being over used. I think they will look to keep him. Lefty relievers are needed in the pen. Having two would really help out big time.

  97. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    “If everything were in place, and Texeria were the ‘missing piece’, then i believe the case for signing Tex would be strong. As it stands, i do not see him being the difference.”

    so because the yankees need pitching, Teixeira cant be a piece to the whole puzzle?

    and just say no to Nate McLouth.

  98. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    keep Marte.

    definitely.

  99. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    “TurnTwo
    October 6th, 2008 at 9:52 am
    so because the yankees need pitching, Teixeira cant be a piece to the whole puzzle?”

    if the contract were at market value, and front-loaded, i would not be opposed.

    full no-trade clause? pass.

  100. Jeremy October 6th, 2008 at 10:06 am

    The Yankees won’t sign and trade Marte. They will sign and keep him. Love or hate Cashman, he understands the value of one-year contracts, especially for pitchers. $6 million for one year of Marte, who struggled with the Yankees (partially because Girardi mismanaged him) but otherwise has a great track record, is an excellent deal.

    We also need to give Marte a shot because we don’t have another sure-fire lefty in the pen. Coke was awesome this year but it’s anyone’s guess whether he can be anywhere near that good over a full season. With Marte and Coke, we have two high-upside lefties in the pen. That’s too good a situation to pass up.

  101. MUDDYWATERS October 6th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    “But Sabathia also said, “I’ll play anywhere,” and kept the Yankees in play, saying of New York, “I enjoy that city. They’ve got a brand new stadium. We’ll have to see what happens.”

    “‘Coming to a new city showed me it’s pretty much the same anywhere,” he said.

    The Dodgers, Giants, Mets and hometown Giants are among many other possibilities. Some surprise teams could enter the picture, as well, for a pitcher who went 11-2 with a 1.65 ERA for the Brewers.

    When someone asked him about the irony of his last appearance being as a pinch hitter Sunday, Sabathia said, “Maybe it’s not my last appearance.”

    Sabathia took a swipe at the conventional wisdom that says he much preferred to go home to California to play. “All those who say I only want to go back to California to play, that’s not true,” Sabathia said.

    He said he loved batting but wouldn’t go so far as to say that that preference would eliminate American League teams.

    “I’ll play anywhere,” he said.”

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  102. Tom October 6th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    vinny-b, I still want Blaylock at first. When healthy he’s a good hitter.

    This offseason is quite a curmudgeon because the Yankees have painted themselves into a corner.

    Do they trade prospects to aquire Peavy, Blaylock, Holliday, or somebody else?

    Do they keep their prospects and sign Tex, CC, Manny (hope not), or Burrnett to inflated long term deals?

    They can’t stand pat, that’s for sure.

    Cashman began his emphasis on player development 1-2 years too late.

  103. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    ““I’ll play anywhere,” he said.”

    of course. he’s keeping his options open to be able to negotiate.

  104. Joey's Poodle October 6th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    If there is controversy around Teixeira it must be very quiet controversy. I’m wondering if the poster can supply any references?

    As far as athleticism, I haven’t watched the guy much at all but last night he seemed pretty athletic laying out to grab that ball and then bouncing instantly to his feet to get it off in time.

    Course after what I’m used to seeing around 1B at the Stadium I guess my standards of athleticism at that position may be a bit low…

  105. mel October 6th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Giambi blocking players and Teixeira blocking players at 1B is a totally different story. Only one’s a true 1B.

    It doesn’t have to be Teixeira, just get a true 1B. I’d even take Millar, but I think the depths of his hate for the Yankee would prohibit it.

  106. Jeremy October 6th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    “if the contract were at market value, and front-loaded, i would not be opposed.”

    What is market value for a 28-year old, switch hitting, gold glove 1B who hits about 35 HR a year and is coming off a 153 OPS+ season where he was red hot down the stretch? Whatever a team that wants a top 1B will pay.

    I could see the Yankees going as high as 6 years, $120 million, and be happy about it.

    “full no-trade clause? pass.”

    He will have one if he wants it. He will have the leverage to demand such things.

    Why is this a deal-breaker? If we sign Teixeira and he’s terrible, no team would want him anyway. Besides, we should sign him on the belief he will be a great player for most of the contract and a good player for the rest. In other words, we should sign him if the team concludes it would not want or need to trade him.

  107. Jeremy October 6th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    There are concerns about signing Teixeira, but blocking players shouldn’t be one of them. The Yankees don’t have a notable 1B prospect. There are no great 1B FAs on the horizon.

    These are precisely the sort of reasons why I’m so confident the Yankees will sign Teixeira or at least be a front-runner for him. He will likely be the Yankees’ best option at first for many years to come.

    Look at the garbage we ran out at 1B when Giambi couldn’t play. Mientkiewicz, Phillips, Phelps, Wilson. Some of them had potential, but none of them was any good.

    Teixeira can hit, field, and stay healthy, and the alternatives are lousy.

  108. mel October 6th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Tex is this year’s CC. The best FA 1B and the best FA pitcher available.

    If you do a stopgap at 1B for a year, do you not have the same problem next year? With options that aren’t so attractive?

    I can’t understand giving CC a blank check, but not giving money well spent to Teixeira.

    GB7, how good is Laird and how far away is he?

  109. dan l October 6th, 2008 at 10:24 am

    Can someone tell me if Melky has an option left?

  110. mel October 6th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    And holding positions for prospects got us into trouble when they didn’t pan out or weren’t on schedule.

  111. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Tom,

    At the risk of being labelled a “Cashman apologist” (a high crime and misdemeanor on this blog), Cashman was only given the authority he has very recently (3 years ago?). I grant you he may be playing catch-up, but if the alternative is not to “play” at all, I say better late than never.

    He chose to start by stockpiling arms, so by default there is no depth as far as position players are concerned. We can be hopeful that that will be addressed going forward.

    Rome, and the NYY farm system, is not going to be built in a day.

    But it is a conundrum, as you stated – do try and keep as many prospects as you can, dealing only in the free agent market, or what? Again, I think perhaps they can find the middle ground. A lot depends on Sabathia. If they don’t get him, it’s kind of back to the drawing board.

  112. William Buckner October 6th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    dan,
    he does, not even sure he’s arbitration eligable yet. he’s still under yankee control.

  113. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    My feeling is first you use the money coming off the books to try and sign both CC and Tex. After that, you’re pretty much in the driver’s seat and everything else you do is gravy.

    If you get CC and not Tex, I think that’s the easiest scenario to deal with, because pitching is the top priority this off season.

    If you don’t get CC, I think you go strong for Tex, because they’re going to need prospects to get pitching and if the want to address the defense at 1B, all Tex will cost is money.

  114. Jeremy October 6th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    “At the risk of being labelled a “Cashman apologist” (a high crime and misdemeanor on this blog)”

    Well said Doreen ;-) See also:

    ARod apologist
    Torre hater
    Person who thinks Josh Phelps wasn’t the worst player in Yankee history

  115. Tom October 6th, 2008 at 10:31 am

    I think the yankees are going to sign either Teixeira this year, or, Holliday next year.

    With Damon, Matsui, and Nady free next year the OF/DH spots are wide open.

    AJax is going to be given a shot at center. After that, who knows.

  116. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 6th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Anyone see the clip of Manny and Angel Berroa?

    Craig’s interviewing Angel through Manny as translator and then halfway through Angel lets it slip that he actually speaks English.

    you’ve probably see it, but if you haven’t, it’s hysterical.

  117. MUDDYWATERS October 6th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    “I enjoy that city. They’ve got a brand new stadium. We’ll have to see what happens.”

    CC feeling the pull. ;)

    I am biased in wanting to see Teixeira play for the Yankees. So, I find it hard to wrap my mind around the reasons some give for not wanting him.

    The NTC is given to a lot of players, and it becomes automatic if the player has enough time with a club and years in the league.

    I think Cashman sounded as though he has had enough of trying to plug players into 1st base rather than having someone who actually plays that position.

    Adding Teixeira to the lineup lengthens it and his being a switch hitter who can actually hit from both sides, unlike Melky and Betemit, is a major plus. Look at what Posada brings to the lineup because he hits well from both sides. It limits the effects of opposing teams pitching choices.

  118. Tom October 6th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Doreen,

    I’m a card carrying member of the Brian Cashman apologist club.

  119. TurnTwo October 6th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    “The NTC is given to a lot of players, and it becomes automatic if the player has enough time with a club and years in the league.”

    and for players in Teixeira’s position, he can get a no-trade clause with 10 and 5 rights, anyway… so if he signs a deal longer than 5 years, which he will, he’ll have a no-trade clause despite actually granting him one in the terms of the contract (10 years in the league, 5 with the same team).

  120. MUDDYWATERS October 6th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Tom, I don’t see the Yankees being either or for Teixeira or Holliday.

    Damon and Matsui come off the books after next season. I don’t think Holliday is as solid a player offense wise as Teixeira is.

    I think CC is the main target, but Burnett and maybe Peavy will be the back up plans.

  121. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 6th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Doreen,

    I’m a card carrying member of the Brian Cashman apologist club.

    Seconded.

  122. MUDDYWATERS October 6th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Another point about the NTC, it gets waived by players all the time, provided they either get paid to do so or its to go to a team they want to go to.

    These players don’t want to stay with a team that wants them gone.

    This year’s draft is rumored to be a weak one in terms of amount of talent. If that is the case, it seems that it sets this year up as one to be willing to give up picks for signing players like Teixeira and CC.

  123. pat October 6th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    “I enjoy that city. They’ve got a brand new stadium. We’ll have to see what happens.”

    One simple statement and Yankees and Mets fans both think he’s talking about their team.

  124. MUDDYWATERS October 6th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    Pat, :lol:

  125. mel October 6th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    pat,

    lol. Heard that CC fella really likes to hit.

  126. Tom October 6th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    MUDDYWATERS

    Holliday isn’t the hitter Tex is (his road OPS from ’05-’07 is .856). However, I liken this situation to the Yankees decision to trade for Johnson and let Carlos Beltran sign with the Mets–even after Boras offered them a discount. The next year they were forced into signing Damon to play center.

  127. MUDDYWATERS October 6th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    The Yankees can sign Holliday next year even if they already have Teixeira signed this year. Different positions and two LF coming off contract in Matsui and Damon. While the Yankees might keep one of the two for DH, it opens a hole.

    Damon might be playing CF, but he is really more of a LF now.

  128. GreenBeret7 October 6th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    mel
    October 6th, 2008 at 10:23 am
    Tex is this year’s CC. The best FA 1B and the best FA pitcher available.

    If you do a stopgap at 1B for a year, do you not have the same problem next year? With options that aren’t so attractive?

    I can’t understand giving CC a blank check, but not giving money well spent to Teixeira.

    GB7, how good is Laird and how far away is he?

    _______________________________________________

    Mel, if Laird stays on the same track and progresses as much next year as he did this year and again the following year, I’d think three years at the most, as long as there is no reason to rush him. That would make him about 23 at most. He looks to be a high average (.290-.300) power hitter with a good glove.

  129. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    pat -

    Good pick-up! :)

  130. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 6th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    pat: My cousins the Met fans think there’s no way CC is coming over to the AL…

    Which just shows you we all have our own biases.

  131. mel October 6th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    GB7,

    That sounds good. But I would still sign Tex. I’d prefer to have players force their way into the big leagues than hold their place and things don’t go as planned. If we have Teixeira, Laird better learn another position as well.

    I like your thoughts on Romine. He & Posey both having passed ball problems, but I thought it was due to the unfamiliarity with the pitchers.

  132. Joe from Long Island October 6th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    doreen, Rebecca, and whomever else –

    There’s a difference between being a fan of someone, and being an apologist. (Spoken by someone who thinks Cash is on the right track.)

  133. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Three years is too long to hold a position open. And if the Yankees are serious about getting better defensively they will absolutely need a defensively sound first baseman. They will not be making changes at 3rd, short or 2nd (probably). ARod and Jeter both could use a guy at first who will be able to field their throws. Cano, too. The pitchers will be helped by a guy who could turn the 3-6-3 DP.

    I hope the Yankees have “the people” who know who could be available if Teixeira can’t be signed. If they can find someone who is very good defensively and good enough offensively to play the position (not just fill the spot) for the next 2-3 years, that would be a good alternative. But then they need to address the offense lost by parting ways with Giambi and Abreu, and the only position to do that, I suppose, is CF. So, who are the CFs who could be available? (For 1-2 years, assuming Jackson is what Jackson is hoped to be.)

  134. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Joe from LI -

    Exactly. I believe he’s on the right track, too. Not to say he’s done everything perfectly, but who does? I think he’s as committed as one would want their GM to be and that fact that he has not BEEN committed working in this fishbowl/frying pan that is the NYY says an awful lot!

  135. G. Love October 6th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    To me that statement from CC is telling the Yankees I’m open for business and I’ll play in NY if you show me the money.

    That should be enough for Cashman and Hal (and Jeter) to get on a plane to Cali the minute free agency begins and lock this down. If we lose him at this point, it’s a major miss for the organization.

    Get it done, Cash!

    Seeing the starting rotation shape up as CC, Wang, Joba and hopefully Andy as a 4-5 is huge.

    At that point, I still sign AJ.

    Keep Hughes in the minors and wait for injury to happen or trade him for a young stud CF type if something is offered you can’t refuse for him. I’m fine with keeping him and Kennedy in the minors though and letting them develop.

    I think by using free agency I think there’s a way the organization can keep guys like Hughes and Austin Jackson.

    Many weeks ago I said sign CC, AJ, and Manny (as DH), let Abreu walk and trade Damon or Matsui (or a guy like Edwar or Veras) for some kind of 1b.

    The Yankees do that, we’re back in the playoffs.

    I know Brandon has said Manny hates the Yankees, but if there’s a chance he’d play here, I’d sign him to come DH, protect Arod and possibly show Arod first hand how to be a clutch hitter.

    Imagine this lineup

    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Arod 3b
    Manny DH
    Nady RF
    Posada C
    Cano 2b
    mystery 1b
    Gardner CF

    Rotation:

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    Wang
    AJ
    Joba
    Andy

    With the pen prospects we have including Marte and Coke (I think Robertson is going to be better and I think Bruney, under Girardi, is turning into a big asset) that’s a team that will win.

    It’s also a team that didn’t go through a wholesale change so it’s not like the team has to learn how to fit with each other. You’re adding Manny and a new 1b and 2 pitchers to the rotation.

  136. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 6th, 2008 at 11:12 am

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    He plays when he wants to play, and the last thing the Yankees need is a guy quitting on the team.

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    “There’s a difference between being a fan of someone, and being an apologist”

    Not on this blog. You either hate Brian Cashman and want to see him catapulted, or trebuchet-ed out of town.

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  139. GreenBeret7 October 6th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    mel
    October 6th, 2008 at 11:00 am
    GB7,

    That sounds good. But I would still sign Tex. I’d prefer to have players force their way into the big leagues than hold their place and things don’t go as planned. If we have Teixeira, Laird better learn another position as well.

    I like your thoughts on Romine. He & Posey both having passed ball problems, but I thought it was due to the unfamiliarity with the pitchers.

    __________________________________________________________

    Mel, I agree that Laird has to prove himself, as does Romine and Montero. Laird is a converted third baseman. He played third base about as well as Wade Boggs in his first years, with a better arm…which is to say, he was barely passable. He’s another that I can see getting a little corner outfield time, just to see what he can do.

    I’d still prefer that if they sign Teixiera, that they frontload the contract. Romine has some defensive flaws, but, I think Pena could fix him and Montero, who, so far is the better defensive catcher.

    NYY has a lot of kids that need to be playing multiple positions to find their true spots. Carmen Angelini is one of those, as is Justin Snyder. They’re young, but, their defense is brutal.

  140. MUDDYWATERS October 6th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    G. Love, what’s Mystery’s BA and OPS? I can’t seem to find him in any club.

    :lol:

  141. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    I’m with Rebecca. As unmatched a hitter as Manny is, he’s an accident waiting to happen. Boston bent over backwards to accommodate and apologize for him for years, and it wasn’t enough. The “Manny love” from the fans wasn’t enough. And if he wasn’t comfortable in Boston, how in heaven’s name is he going to be comfortable in NY? Add to the that the pressures Brandon alludes to that pertain to Manny having family and friends (and perhaps not-so-much friends) in the area, color me skeptical.

    Looks good on paper, but I think it would end up being a dysfunctional relationship.

  142. Stevie K October 6th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    That Frank show is the worst thing I’ve ever seen, and his commercials are even worse. It is a disaster and I flip the channel anytime I see him on.

    In other news:

    Cashman, Jeter, and Rivera should visit CC.

  143. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    shouldn’t Montero be of greater concern then Laird (keeping a position open)?

    no player in the system has a higher ceiling, and will likely be in the bronx, before Laird.

    if everyone believes he will stay at catcher, disregard the post. While being a pay member of pinstripe plus, i don’t know the answer. It appears to remain in question.

  144. MUDDYWATERS October 6th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Frank is no Rich Little!

  145. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Tom

    You don’t even have to out-and-out trust or respect his plan. All that is needed is that you are willing to take a “wait-and-see” approach, showing some patience! :)

  146. Joey's Poodle October 6th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    Rebecca, you’re right — very funny interview clip with Manny ‘translating’ the English-speaking Berroa … :-)

  147. Joey's Poodle October 6th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    A giveaway at the time was Manny looking at Berroa questioningly after each English sentence to see if he agreed with the ‘translation’ …

  148. Irabu's Son October 6th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Who cares what it would take to sign Sabathia AND Teixiera both? If, together, they can bring #27, then what does it matter what the payroll is? I’m not paying them, Hank & Hal are. If the Rays win the Series this year, will their trophy be bigger or will it mean more than if Boston wins with a big payroll? No, so who cares?

  149. mel October 6th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Doreen,

    I don’t think that Manny will be the unmitigated disaster that everyone thinks he will be.

    When Manny’s at the plate, he doesn’t feel the pressure. He’s Jeter with pop out there.

    Trust me, if Manny becomes a Yankee he will be beloved in a way that Alex isn’t. Unfair? Absolutely. But he’s a larger-than-life character that a lot of people (not here, obviously) would be drawn to.

    But it’s not going to happen.

  150. Jeremy October 6th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    G. Love,

    I agree with Doreen. I think Manny would return to his infuriating ways (for his own team, not just opponents) if the Yankees signed him. He would hate the same things about NY that he hated about Boston.

    I agree with you that he would be a good fit as a player, but I don’t think we would see LA Manny.

    Regarding the other pending FAs, don’t be afraid that the Yankees won’t spend. The Yankees always make a big push for top FAs. Matsuzaka is just about the only example I can think of where another team blew the Yankees away AND the signing wasn’t idiotic. I think we will see Teixeira at the very least next season. If we don’t get CC, it will be because another team gives him too many years.

  151. GreenBeret7 October 6th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Doreen, I agree with you that NYY can’t go 3 years with a patched up 1st base. I only suggested that they front load any contract. If Laird pans out, then in four or five years, Teixiera’s contract wouldn’t be difficult to get rid of. NYY has the talent, but most of the offense will be in Tampa in 2009. Other than Laird and Krum (in right field), there’s not much defense, although Almonte in center field has a real chance. Their biggest asset is that they can hit.

  152. Jim in CT October 6th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    [QUOTE]In the Star Ledger this morning it quotes CC Sabathia as saying he won’t be going for the money – he wants to be happy.[/QUOTE]
    Arod says, “I don’t get it, is there a difference between going for money and being happy? Why would there be?”

  153. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    CC will get more then Burnett.

    how much more?

    in my view, both have pro’s and cons.

  154. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    mel -

    I’m not worried about Manny at the plate. One of the things that makes him who he is is the way he approaches his at-bats. He’s just in the moment.

    It’s the peripherals, and I think the last thing that’s needed is the distraction that could be Manny-being-Manny. It’s cute from the outside looking in, but not something I’d like to have to witness on a daily basis.

    He was beloved by the fans in Boston. He was their very own dysfunctional but lovable hitter, a Yankee-killer to boot. But it wasn’t enough for Manny.

    But, you’re right. It’s all academic, because the Yankees would never sign him.

    Listen, if they do, I’ll hope for the best. :)

  155. mel October 6th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    vinny-b,

    Burnett will cost less per year ($5M?) and get a shorter contract (by 3-4 yrs?).

    How many thought it was over when Weaver came in last night? Both times? I’m impressed by Weaver’s performance (he got squeezed at least twice) and the Angels team in general for refusing to quit.

  156. Wilson October 6th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Sabathia > Teixeria AND Burnett

  157. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    GB7 -

    IF they can get Teixeira under that contract structure, that would be ideal. But if won’t sign a contract without a NTC, you end up being stuck, albeit not at his prime earning rate.

    It’s really going to be interesting to see which other teams are going to be financially restricting themselves and how that might open up the market a bit, and make some contract terms more negotiable than they might otherwise have been.

  158. Mike R October 6th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    I wasn’t a big advocate of Tex because of how many years he is going to want, but he’s made a buyer out of me.

    It’s hard to come up with reasons not to want a switch power hitting gold glove 1st basemen under the age of 30.

  159. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    yes.

    edge of your seat, game last night.

  160. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    mel -

    I didn’t give the Angels a chance at all. Jered ended up doing the job.

    Tonight’s going to be interesting because both bullpens were worked last night. Well, I suppose Lackey and Lester have good track records, though, for going deep into games.

  161. vinny-b October 6th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    yes, mel

    edge of your seat, game last night.

  162. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 6th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    It’s hard to come up with reasons not to want a switch power hitting gold glove 1st basemen under the age of 30.

    Especially when money and Boras are no object.

  163. mel October 6th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Doreen,

    Still don’t think it will be that bad. He really wanted out of Boston. Told them years ago to trade him. But they held him hostage.

    Players actually behave when they come here. I think he’d appreciate playing in New York. I know he’s said he’d never play here and Brandon has the inside scoops. But how can you not want to go home?

    I’m a real sap for story-book endings. :)

  164. pat October 6th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Not advocating Manny to NY but….. when people talk about Manny or any player not being comfortable in NY if they weren’t comfortable in Boston, the 2 cities are 2 different animals.

    In Boston, Manny was one of the biggest celebrities in the state. In NY, Manny would likely not be the biggest celebrity in his high rise condo. The media would probably be a wash. In terms of the hassles of day to day life, Manny’s life in NY would be more similiar to his life in LA than his life in Boston even more so if he lived in New Jersey or Westchester.

  165. mel October 6th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Mike R,

    No one’s going to get a 10 year contract. Wait, did I really say that?

    Teixeira’s not going to get a 10 year contract. 7 is more likely.

    I think New York and Teixeira have been on each other’s wish list a long time.

    I have a feeling that Tex will be a Yankee before CC.

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  167. DurhamYankee October 6th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Does anyone know who CC’s agent is?

    Thanks

  168. PAT M October 6th, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Before the trading deadline , I suggested that Texeria is a once in a decade type 1b…..I was raked over the coals by several posters here…..Good to see that I’m no longer alone in this evaluation…..He’s the Chipper Jones of the infield right side….When he hangs them up, his numbers are going to be very impressive…..

  169. mel October 6th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    G Love’s scenario is interesting.

    If we’re going to burn the whole $80 million, I would get CC, AJ, and Tex. I keep Matsui at DH (because there will be problems moving him) and make CF the mystery position with a stopgap player.

  170. Dan L in nj October 6th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    I like AJ as he has proven he can pitch in the AL East. He has pitched well in all 5 stadiums.

    Sign Dunn who’s left handed home run power is the best in Baseball

    Trade Cano plus in a deal for Matt Cain.

    Trade for JJ Hardy and move Jeter to second base.

  171. mel October 6th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Pat M,

    Before Texas traded Tex, he was going to be the Yankees 1B of the future. Then everyone convinced themselves that he was going to be an Angel.

    Didn’t think we’d need him, but with the reality of Giambi leaving and the realization that we haven’t had a glove there for years I’ve come around to it.

    1B will be a lot harder to fix than the pitching.

  172. Jersey City NYY October 6th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    That Ausmus video is great. I already knew he had a great sense of humor about himself. A few years ago, a friend of mine was at spring training and sitting near the Astros bullpen. Ausmus was sitting there, and my friend said, “Hey Brad, I need to draft my fantasy team. Who should I pick?” Without hesitation, Ausmus said, “Not me!”
    Having a sense of humor about oneself is a rare thing, particularly for someone with a degree of celebrity. Ausmus seems like a very good guy.

  173. Doreen October 6th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    With so many salaries coming off the books, free agency helps the Yankees out this time around. CC and Tex would be plus acquisitions. Would help solve 3 situations – improve the rotation, improve 1B defense without sacrificing offense, and retain prospects for future as players or trade pieces.

    If they could get Tex, they can afford to get a lesser CF for a year or two, and perhaps be able to get that lesser CF for a lot less in prospects. Or they could hope Gardner or Cabrera help out. Or, they can use higher tier prospects to get a second pitcher (assuming CC).

    I’m trying to remind myself how Yankee-centric we all are. Other teams are going to want these two guys as well. We think we’re the best destination – how could anyone NOT want to be a NY Yankee!?! I’m sure other cities feel the same.

    Last year, the Yankees used “free agency” to retain their own players – who just happened to also be the best available players at their positions. CC and Tex are the best available players at their positions and they aren’t a luxury for the Yankees, they are a necessity.

    I didn’t used to want CC, but I’ve come around. However, I’m staying very arm’s length from getting excited about such an acquisition, because he holds all the cards, as does Teixeira.

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    Question: what if the new Yankee Stadium isn’t ready by next April to play baseball games in a safe enviornment. I agree that while what has been done so far has looked great, I thought they would be further along in the process by now. I don’t see Yankee employees moving in there yet. Maybe they’ll actually play a couple more games at tje current Stadium afterall to give the new Stadium a little more time?

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