Today in the playoffs
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- October
- 6
ALDS Game 4: Tampa Bay (Sonnanstine) at Chicago (Floyd), 5:07 p.m.
ALDS Game 4: Los Angeles (Lackey) at Boston (Lester), 8:37 p.m.
The Rays and Red Sox each have 2-1 series leads and can clinch tonight. … Interesting game in Boston as both teams wore their bullpens out last night. Lackey is 2-4, 6.34 in eight career regular-season starts at Fenway Park. His one postseason start there (in 2007) was a loss as he went six innings and allowed four runs. Lackey’s last playoff win was Game 7 of the 2002 Series.
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Yankees and Mets fans are all excited because CC Sabathia said yesterday he is open to all teams. What did you expect him to say? The first rule of free agency is to say how much you love New York, whether you actually do or not.
Sabathia will create some interesting debates in front offices across the game.
Should the Brewers change the way they do their business and make him a deal?
Should the Dodgers pay him or Manny?
Should the Giants adds another huge contract after their Barry Zito disaster?
Should the Yankees just wait until everybody has their say and offer $10 million more?
Should the Mets get in the mix?
Should the Angels try and keep Mark Teixeira or go after Sabathia?
Counting the playoffs, Sabathia has thrown 513 innings over the last two seasons. Whoever signs him will dismiss that and talk about what a good athlete he is for his size. But that’s a lot of innings. Make a list of all the long-term contracts for free-agent starters that worked out well. Let’s see there’s … um … Mike Mussina.
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Offer CC the moon. Make it happen.
besides, I hear he likes cheese.
Side note: I found this particularly interesting in a Rosenthal article about Vlad Guerrero…
In 70 career plate appearances in the postseason, Guerrero’s batting average/on-base/slugging line is .203-271-.350. Contrast that with Alex Rodriguez, who is widely perceived to be an October flop, yet has a career line of .279-.361-.483 in 166 post-season plate appearances.
Could the signing of CC, for whoever does it, potentially be an industry changing event?
“Make a list of all the long-term contracts for free-agent starters that worked out well. Let’s see there’s … um … Mike Mussina.”
One of the best points ever made on this blog.
Yankee To-Do list:
1) sign CC Sabathia
2) sign AJ Burnett
3) sign Texeria
4) let Abreu, Giambi walk
5) sign Pettitte for $8 mil plus incentives
6) bring Moose back as a coach
I just posted this question in the last thread but does anyone know who CC’s agent is?
“Could the signing of CC, for whoever does it, potentially be an industry changing event?”
CC will get the kind of money Santana got. In other words, a huge contract, but not a contract that blows away everything else before it, like ARod’s contract with Texas.
7)* trade Cano for some young starters??
I’m a bit skeptical of this one…
Scott Parker is CC’s agent.
Sunny, thanks dude
or is it Greg Genske
As per John Heyman (please ignore the first part I’m tired of that argument:
“Superstar free agent CC Sabathia’s contention on Sunday that “I’ll play anywhere’’ would seem to bode well for the Yankees, who are expected to be the most lucrative anywhere there is. When asked about it, Sabathia also mentioned that he liked New York and considered the new Yankee Stadium a plus.
Link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/10/06/heyman.dodgers/index.html
The Yankees are going all in for Sabathia, according to people familiar with their thinking, so if he means what he says he’ll have the option to go anywhere. Sabathia said he believes his great time in Milwaukee proved to him that he’d enjoy playing in most, if not all, places.”
wow that post got really messed up.
Who are Parker’s other clients?
now I found one that said it’s Brian Peters
“The fact that Sabathia is continuing to go on short rest, prompted his agent, Brian Peters, to phone Brewers general manager Doug Melvin recently to express some concern. ”
MLB.com story link
Sunny, I assume you’re kidding about Moose being a coach, right?
There’s as much chance Moose would leave home for eight months to coach as there is me playing first base for them next season. Never. Ever. Happening.
Once Moose retires, he will be a ghost seen only in Pennsylvania.
Bold is signing CC, AJ, AND Tex.
I know we need pitching, but we also need offense and a 1B.
CC
Wang
AJ
Joba
Andy
If Moose comes back, then Joba can build up his innings the right way. In the minors as a starter. Andy will probably be a one-year commitment and Joba can take that slot in ‘10.
Wang
AJ
Joba
Andy
#5 (Hughes/Aceves) (or Moose)
Lots of permutations with the pitching.
Actually – it’s all of them… the company is named LS Legacy Sports Group. Genske’s partners include Brian Peters and Scott Parker.
D’OH – Pete
C’mon – you’ve got to admit – Moose’d make a great coach tho…
Sorry for the confusion DurhamYankee.
“Moorad Sports Management Inc., the company was renamed LS Legacy Sports Group. Genske’s partners include Brian Peters and Scott Parker”
Jeff Moorad (Manny’s former agent) had to stop being an agent so he could buy/run the Diamond backs. Peters was part of the Moorad group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Genske
“Yankees and Mets fans are all excited because CC Sabathia said yesterday he is open to all teams. What did you expect him to say? The first rule of free agency is to say how much you love New York, whether you actually do or not.”
DONT SIGN C.C. HES A LIAR
Mel—Even though he needs the innings, I think Joba’s arm is too good for the minors.
The organization is better served getting healthy productive outs from him at the major league level as long as it can.
He’s not Hughes/Kennedy who are still trying to learn all their pitches, develop and find a consistent out pitch.
Joba has his out pitches.
The thing with him is figuring out if he’s durable enough to be a starter full time.
I think you have to start him up at the major league level next season and let him pitch in the 5 spot so they can skip his turn every now and then.
That’s why getting CC and AJ is such a power move. With CC, AJ, Andy and Wang—you’ve potentially got 4 200 inning starters who can easily cover for when Joba needs to limit his innings in season.
Obviously, that’s assuming they all stay healthy, but if they keep Hughes and Aceves in the organization, you have some built in injury insurance.
If Moose and Andy want to come back, the organization has to choose between them.
I would much rather have CC & AJ than CC, Andy and Moose with Wang.
If we strike out on AJ or CC or both, then it’s a different story.
If we strike out on both then this team is in a heap of trouble and looking at a 3rd place, possibly 4th place, finish in the AL east next season.
Seems to me there an awful lot of people complaining about CC’s inning pitched, but would drool if we could get Roy Halladay. CC has only thrown 23 more innings than Halladay over the past two years. So, what’s the difference? Plus, if theYanks bullpen performs like it did this year, CC wouldn’t have to pitch nearly the same amount of innings as he has been.
“That’s why getting CC and AJ is such a power move. With CC, AJ, Andy and Wang — you’ve potentially got 4 200 inning starters who can easily cover for when Joba needs to limit his innings in season.”
The only issue that can be taken with this (while i completely agree with the theory and approach) is Burnett is hardly HARDLY a garuntee to give you 200 innings. Lets not forget his history of injury and questions of desire to play the game. PASS
Didn’t see the new post:
With so many salaries coming off the books, free agency helps the Yankees out this time around. CC and Tex would be plus acquisitions. Would help solve 3 situations – improve the rotation, improve 1B defense without sacrificing offense, and retain prospects for future as players or trade pieces.
If they could get Tex, they can afford to get a lesser CF for a year or two, and perhaps be able to get that lesser CF for a lot less in prospects. Or they could hope Gardner or Cabrera help out. Or, they can use higher tier prospects to get a second pitcher (assuming CC).
I’m trying to remind myself how Yankee-centric we all are. Other teams are going to want these two guys as well. We think we’re the best destination – how could anyone NOT want to be a NY Yankee
I’m sure other cities feel the same.
Last year, the Yankees used “free agency†to retain their own players – who just happened to also be the best available players at their positions. CC and Tex are the best available players at their positions and they aren’t a luxury for the Yankees, they are a necessity.
I didn’t used to want CC, but I’ve come around. However, I’m staying very arm’s length from getting excited about such an acquisition, because he holds all the cards, as does Teixeira.
And, any pitcher who is signed is a risk. You hope CC will be good for 3 years, and then the young guys by then are in a position to move up in the rotation while CC moves back.
Is it ridiculous to think that we can just copy Johan Santana’s contract, scratch out his name, put CC’s in and add a dollar?
Or is that going to be too light in terms of dollars?
Pete,
There are studies that after a pitcher turns 25 years old the number of innings on his arm has less negative affect than if those innings were accumulated in his early 20s.
CC was 27 and 28 years old with those innings, when he pitches for the Yankees next season, they’ll keep him around 220 innings and he’ll be fresh as a daisie come October.:)
“Make a list of all the long-term contracts for free-agent starters that worked out well. Let’s see there’s … um … Mike Mussina.”
Most top of line starters don’t become FA’s at the age of 28. the starters who do-
AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano, Oliver Perez-are all flawed and their oringinal teams don’t see them as cornerstones.Young 26-28 year old Ace Starters are mostly aquired Via trade: Johan, Pedro (Sox version) ect, and locked up by the team that traded for them.
There is always Barry Zito, but, most baseball people panned that move.
I Liken the CC sweepstakes to Randy Johnson after his stint with the Astros. RJ was older, but one can say that the 6 years he spent in ARZ went pretty well.
Hew,
I can’t argue with the injury history, but I think AJ’s matured a bit.
The light bulb’s gone off in his head and he gets it now. I think he understands that he has a gift and he needs to maximize it. You can say that’s because it’s his contract year, but IMO he’s leaving a pretty good team to go to an better team. For the Yankees sake, you better pray that it’s not the Red Sox.
“The fact that Sabathia is continuing to go on short rest, prompted his agent, Brian Peters, to phone Brewers general manager Doug Melvin recently to express some concern.â€
Got to think that CC & his agent will factor in which team will be more protective of him in terms of innings pitched.
I think Milwaukee hurt their chances by over using him – although they didn’t have much choice.
but IMO he’s leaving a pretty good team (willing to give him a lucrative extension) to go to a better team.
Why would Moose come back as a coach when he can still pitch? If anything, he’ll be back as a player. His brother posted on his blog that he thinks that at the end of the day, he will come back to play.
I’m for signing CC because the Yankees don’t have a whole lot of other options at this point. The point about the innings is valid, but it’s almost like we freak out when pitchers don’t throw enough innings and then we freak out when they do.
Has anyone else thats not in a coma picked up on the fact that Pete will be annoyed, if not enraged, if the yankees improve their team by signing a few big name free agents?
I’d love to have CC, but I looked up CC earlier when it came up and basically came to the conclusion that he’s a left-handed Wang that can go further in games and throws more strikeouts. The results, the ERA’s are basically the same.
Now if CC can do in the AL east what he’s done in the NL Central, then come on down, the price is right.
But, I don’t think it’s going to happen. CC will not be sporting a sub-2.0 ERA in the AL.
“But, I don’t think it’s going to happen. CC will not be sporting a sub-2.0 ERA in the AL.”
he doesnt need a sub-2.00 ERA.
and if you need proof he can pitch in the American League, didnt he win the Cy Young last year?
and after a slow start, he was unhittable until he was traded to Milwaukee this year, where he remained unhittable.
noone can reasonably ask for a sub-2.00 ERA. but sub-4.00 ERA? I’ll take that if he puts up 200 innings per season. thats fair.
“and basically came to the conclusion that he’s a left-handed Wang that can go further in games and throws more strikeouts.”
and by the way, are you saying this as if its a bad thing??
“he’s a left-handed Wang”
Bill Clinton had the same problem it’s called Peyronie’s disease.
In all seriousness, CC would be a top of the rotation guy who’s ERA would be anywhere from 3.50-4.10. With 16-20 wins and 200ip.
anyone utilizing this dodgers playoff run, to scout Matt Kemp?
LA do have 4 OF’ers. And reportedly love Cano.
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Kemp
Nady
Blaylock
Hudson
not bad. A long lineup.
Turn Two,
I don’t need to pay 7/$140 for a guy that’s going to give me what Joba and Wang can. 20 win seasons.
But he’s a durable lefty and I’ll be happy when (if) he’s a Yankee.
I don’t think CC needs to put up those ridiculous numbers in terms of ERA in the AL East, he just needs to lead the rotation and be able to match up with Beckett, Kazmir (or soon Price), Halladay, et al and give us a chance to win those games.
To say he is a left-handed Wang is probably right on – w/ a Cy Young of course. But if you have 2 guys like Wang going 7 innings nearly every time and often 8 innings – it makes everybody better.
The bullpen gets better in the games the 2 aces pitch because they are getting more rest – and they pitch better on the other 3 starters games because they get more days rest.
win. win. win.
3 starters capable of winning 20 games is a bad thing?
TK,
We’ve got someone who won the Cy Wang 2 years in a row. Now that’s impressive. Wang was on his way to being the winningest pitcher in the AL 3 years running. Stupid interleague.
“I don’t need to pay 7/$140 for a guy that’s going to give me what Joba and Wang can. 20 win seasons.”
i know the sky is the limit for Joba, but how about we see him stay healthy for a full season, too, before we say he’s winning 20 games.
Good point about the long term pitcher deals. . .I think Mussina is the only so far that received a 7-year contract and actually lived it up to it. Kevin Brown, Mike Hampton, Barry Zito were all busts for their deals. Add in Darren Dreifort, Chan Ho Park and Denny Neagle for 5-year busts, Carl Pavano for a 4-year busts, and the list goes on and on.
Everything Cashman has been focused on for the past three seasons is developing the Yankees pitching from within. I don’t see this changing for Sabathia, especially if the Yankees are serious (as rumored) about bringing down the payroll. As Wall Street implodes as the country will soon be in a depression (we’re already in a recession) I don’t see Sabathia getting 7 years, $160 million from the Yankees. Fantasy time is officially over. . .
TurnTwo,
You’re right.
But be honest, now. Who’s your #1 starter in a short series? Joba or CC?
*and I have NOT officially annointed Joba the ace of the Yankees.
“i know the sky is the limit for Joba, but how about we see him stay healthy for a full season, too, before we say he’s winning 20 games.”
I second that emotion –
Joba has a really high ceiling – he can get anyone out. We just don’t know how durable he will be. I am not super concerned but it is an unknown until he does it.
The Cy Wang mel? Let me know when he gets over 500 wins and we can rename the award – lol!
“But be honest, now. Who’s your #1 starter in a short series? Joba or CC?”
um, CC.
again, how about we see more than 5-10 starts from Joba before we annoint him the almighty ace. got awesome, amazing stuff. but so does Sabathia, and Sabathia’s proven it over multiple years. i do discount the small sample size of Sabathia’s postseason history where you might not, however.
TOS,
If this country goes into a depression, I would have to think that there wouldn’t be that many people posting here since, most folks will get rid of the internet…unless people pay their bills with credit cards…oh wait isn’t that how we got into this mess in the first place.
Offer CC lotsa money, M&Ms and free dinners at Mo’s New York Grill.
Get it done Cash!
Oh, M&Ms got me through college! Yes, offer CC M&Ms!
CC will get a good offer from the Yankees, whatever it ends up being. If the Yankees are looking at costs then you can bet that other team will as well.
Cashman is also smart enough to know that despite needing to move toward younger home grown pitching, that doesn’t mean you pass up on a lefty to add to your rotation. With Mussina and Pettitte possibly signing for a year at a time (Mussina more likely with options) it allows the young arms time to develop rather than trying to force them to come up before their time.
Every winning team has a combination of veterans and youth. The Yankees aren’t quite ready yet for gaining youth in the positions and the arms are filled with questions.
With the new Stadium opening, they will want to make some noise. Revamping the team with some key players can help in that regard without sacrificing the move toward getting younger. Teixeira is younger than Giambi. Nady younger than Abreu. CC younger than Ponson, and far more effective.
Mac Nut,
Absolutely.
I don’t think we should have to blow everyone out of the water. A nice offer (niiice), new stadium, Yankee tradition, great bullpen, the best closer, and owners who will keep their mouths shut and pocketbooks open should be more than enough.
Then if CC passes, it’s a lifestyle decision. But you can’t fault the Yankees if they decide not to give the blank check. That’s not a fail. Not only do the Yankees have responsibility to their fans, but they also have fiscal responsibilities to the organization, not just the whims of the principal owner(s).
Bold prediction, Yankees will sign two of the three or all three of these FA’s this off-season and in this order, Tex, DLowe, then CC.
I don’t see the love for AJ, this is the first year he stayed healthy all year in three years; the first year he won more than 12 games; and look at his record against the rest of the AL, not just the Yankees.
IMO he is just what the Yankees shouldn’t do. Also, I wouldn’t be suprised is John Garland’s name is mention this off-season. The Yankees need innings from their starters.
Off-topic but amusing nonetheless, it must be really difficult being the Second Banana in the Second City:
http://www.comcast.net/sports/russakoffrules/12517/ozziebleepthecubs/
instead of signing 1 CC for $27 mil a year, why not get an AJ and a perez for the same amount?
cc
wang
joba
pettitte
hughes
OR
wang
burnett
perez
pettitte
hughes
with joba in the pen?
I think the other thing that comes into consideration with bringing CC to the Yankees (and it might be a good selling point for him) is that our pen is going to be stocked the next couple of years.
With Mo at the back end and guys like Marte, Bruney, Robertson, Coke, Melancon, etc. the need for him to pitch CG’s here is lessened than it is for a team with Gagne or Joe Borowski as it’s closer.
Obviously, Mo isn’t going to last forever, but if he has 2 more quality seasons and a guy like Melancon develops into a closer type during that time it keeps the pen strong.
Also if Joba, God forbid, turns out like Papelbon and is unable to handle the rigors of starting, he’s immediately on the list of being one of the top relievers in the game.
If CC is deciding between the Angels and the Yankees, I wonder how much it matters to him that the Angels might not resign K-rod and have no shut down closer.
It actually makes little sense to me for the Angels to strengthen their biggest strength in their rotation with CC and weaken their pen by letting K-rod walk.
It all comes down to money in the end, but I think as high as the Yankees will go dollar wise, another team is going to ultimately offer more or come damn close to it.
Well, I did say there’s an infinitesimally small chance that Angels could win one game. They won because Jas*n B*y had an off night.
Tonight will be a blow-out. Unfortunately, Red S*x 10, Angels 1.
Perez, as in Oilver Perez?
HELL NO….
Vader,
For me, I’m loving the AJ storyline. The more people bash him, the more I root for him.
I think he’s matured (everyone in Toronto and AJ himself will tell you this). I can see why he and Bruney might be kindred spirits.
He’s got good stuff and he’s finally harnessed it.
Add that to the fact that he wants to be a Yankee. I’m in.
That’s just me, rooting for the underdog. Yes, I pulled for Farnsworth, too.
Joba is my starter in a game 1 series.
even with CC, Wang, or Mussina/Pettitte.
The Yankees should consider 6 man rotation.
Pete’s right. Just a heads up, if you live in PA or OH, today’s the last day to register to vote.
I don’t think K-Rod is going to be getting the deal he thinks he will. He allows too many baserunners and he can’t field at all because of his falling off the mound delivery. His velocity is down slightly as well. How long can he keep pitching full out like that?
I think the Angels will look to sign him but won’t be so upset over him going elsewhere.
The Yankee bullpen was decent this year and looks to get better. That will help with recruiting a SP who likes to keep a win rather than lose it by the BP. Santana has to be pissed at how many games were lost by the Mutts BP.
The new Stadium and the history of the franchise will help bring in FAs as well. The Yankees have a decent team and will make moves to make them better this off season.
“Joba is my starter in a game 1 series.
even with CC, Wang, or Mussina/Pettitte.”
And that is why you will never manage
There’s a reason why there have been articles all this year about the Yankees clubhouse going ga-ga for Burnett. All he needs is a winning atmosphere—- they know this and they want him here. He wants to be a Yankee.
Now if CC wants to come here, I’d love it, but Burnett AND Teixeria may be the smarter investment. Fills 2 holes.
If we don’t nab AJ, Boston will. Consider that as well.
if CC refuses an offer. And Burnett accepts.
it may be a blessing in disguise.
will admit, I don’t envy Cashman, having to make the decision.
CC would be nice but i can live with
Wang
Andy
Moose
AJ
Lowe
Hughes/Aceves/Joba/Horne
Spot starts to keep the youngins fresh.
Is Francessa right? K-Rod is throwing 6 MPH less?
Cashman is in a no win situation. If he goes out and signs CC and CC breaks down next year after logging 512 innings over 2 seasons, he’ll be crucified for going out and trying to “buy a championship”. If he doesn’t sign AJ and he goes onto another team and wins 19 games, he’ll get crucified for “missing out on an ace”. Just the same if we sign AJ and he gets injured or wins 10 games, he’ll be another poor investment like Pavano. There’s just NO winning in this for Cashman and I feel bad for him having to go through that from the media and moronic fans.
I still think your need stability and that starts with Andy and Moose. Get them both back. I actually think AJ has more of an upside. he wont want 7 years.
Can get him for 3 years/55 mil and then focus on 1B. I think we can survive the Melky/Gardner CF combo one more year til A-Jax shows up.
E-rod,
I used to think they wouldn’t, but I can now see them going after CC, AJ, and Tex. They have a great chance of landing at least one. A decent chance of landing two. And a puncher’s chance of landing all three. They’re not mutually exclusive.
Mel,
AJ=Pavano, I say pass and bring in DLowe. Also, if you haven’t figured it out yet…Every FA says that they want to play for the Yankees…Boras isn’t the only one out there that knows the Yankees drive the market.
Just get one of AJ/CC and I’ll be happy.
Lowe as a last resort.
Stay away from Dempster/Sheets/Perez at all costs.
There’s no way the Yankees do a six man rotation if Andy comes back.
Vader,
LOL. I’m not naive. But I don’t believe the others when they say it. He’s leaving a good team that’s willing to extend him and bring the AAV up to Yankee level.
There is no Pavano. And I’d rather go with one of our kids than DLowe. I don’t know where the love for that one comes from.
But maybe his new girlfriend won’t have to wear the Scarlet Letter on the East coast. Just kidding, that was really mean wasn’t it?
$25 million – CC
$20 million – Tex
$18 million – Burnett
$12 million – Pettitte OR Mussina
$88 – $75 = savings of $13 million if we sign all 4.
Lowe comes from the same ridiculous place people who want us to trade for Billingsley comes from. You can never compare pitching number in the NL West to AL East. Bigger parks, worst hitters. This would also be a concern for anyone telling us to trade cano, melky, hughes, etc for Jake Peavy. His era will be 2 points higher in the AL East.
Wang, Joba, Pettitte, Hughes, Kennedy/Aceves will be the rotation.
If they can trade Ian Kennedy for something, go for it!
Yankee To-Do list:
1) sign CC Sabathia
2) maybe sign AJ Burnett
3) Do not sign Texeria
4) let Abreu, Giambi walk
5) sign Pettitte for $8 mil plus incentives
6) Find a RF w/ range
Zolio,
$25 is high unless you’re talking 4-5 years. I think he’ll get $23M at the most.
Mussina will cost more than Andy because he was underpaid this season. He won’t come back for minimum wage.
But you made your point. The money’s there. It’s just a matter of who wants it. But spend it only on Grade A stuff. Don’t be giving out big $$ the Gary Matthews and Jon Garlands of the world.
Sabathia’s innings shouldn’t be an issue with the expected bullpen the Yankees will have. With a healthy Chien-Ming Wang, they would be true innings eaters but won’t need to feel the need to throw a complete game every time out unless their pitch counts are extremely low.
As with every acquisition, C.C. will require a physical.
Quality starts are the name of the game and the hope of every team.
Cashman will be more agressive than ever this winter and will not waste time with agents playing teams against one another. If A.J. Burnett’s agent wants to waste time then Cashman will move on and target Derek Lowe for example.
Let’s make a list of all the young Yankee pitchers you were so high on last offseason who won even ONE game last year. Let’s see, there’s, um, Joba?
You naysayed Santana last offseason, and the guy continues to be the kind of ace/stopper the Yanks need. Bottom line,the Yanks have a ton of money, it’s not YOUR money, fans. And if they sign Sabathia, they don’t have to give up players for him…
108 stitches,
You’ll have less problems signing AJ than CC.
The world is CC’s oyster. He says he wants it done quickly, but he’ll have many suitors in both leagues and free agency will be furious, but anything but fast.
If I were to take a guess, AJ’s got only 2 teams on his list. Yankees and Red Sox. Now that’s a move worth blocking.
If we’re keeping Nady, then we’re not getting another RF’er even though Nady is below average in the field.
Unless you move Damon to center and Nady in left.
“Chris
October 6th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Cashman is in a no win situation. If he goes out and signs CC and CC breaks down next year after logging 512 innings over 2 seasons, he’ll be crucified for going out and trying to “buy a championshipâ€. If he doesn’t sign AJ and he goes onto another team and wins 19 games, he’ll get crucified for “missing out on an aceâ€. Just the same if we sign AJ and he gets injured or wins 10 games, he’ll be another poor investment like Pavano. There’s just NO winning in this for Cashman”
100%
MLBTR suggested Nady for Kotchman, possibly with us throwing in something else.
Would you do this? Nady and Kennedy for Kotchman?
Sorry, if you didn’t know this Future, but DLowe has piched in the AL East, has won 21 games in a season, was a good closer and shut the Yankees down in the 2004 ALCS. Also, he takes the ball some 30 games a season.
AJ Burnett has pitched 200 innings 2 times in his career. 2 times. Coincidentally they were both contract years. If giving CC big money is risky because of all the innings he pitched why, pray tell, isn’t signing AJ more of a risk?
He’s a pitcher with a long history of arm problems and he just finished a season during which he pitched the most innings of his career. Before this season he was Ben Sheets. He’s more of a risk than than people realize.
I’d be more upset if they signed him to a 4-5 year contract worth 18mil per than I would if they signed Lowe to a 3-4 year deal worth 16-18 per. At least Lowe will take the ball every 5th day.
I understand if CC doesn’t want to come here, but there is no reason at all why we shouldn’t have the highest offer by far on the table for him.
Force him to walk away from money. We have $88 million coming off the books. Why spend it on B-level players when you can have the best? And what are we saving it for exactly?
Give CC the highest offer (by a fairly large margin) and make a heavy recruiting effort for him, thats about all we can do. The rest is up to him.
Sorry *3 times over 200 innings. But then he was injured in each of the next seasons.
Pitched 200inings in ‘02, missed most of ‘03 (23 ip.).
Pitched over 200 inings in ‘05, went on the dl as missed 10 starts in ‘06 and 5-7 in ‘07
Pitched 220 innings in ‘08 and he wants 18 mil per season?
“Make a list of all the long-term contracts for free-agent starters that worked out well. Let’s see there’s … um … Mike Mussina.â€
Pedro’s contract with the Red Sox was obviously another good one.
Anyone see Heyman’s article with the quote from the scout saying Broxton is better than Papelbon? LOL!!!
Hank Steinbrenner has already targeted CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett as potential options, and one offseason after the Yankees turned down a chance to trade for Johan Santana, Cashman hinted the process of developing talent may be more ripe.
“I’m not afraid to pursue big players, I’m not,” Cashman said. “It’s not something I’m against. I’m not trying to change that side of it. There’s a time and place when you push that button.
“This past winter, I didn’t feel the building process was enough completed to start jettisoning off. When you make a big play like that, you’ve got to get where you need to be. That’s like the finishing piece.”
I’d be open to trading Nady since he has one yr. left, although I’d deal him for than Casey Kotchman.
Prayer #1
That the Yankees don’t chase after any FA out there in the manner that they did with AFraud (i.e. bidding against themselves when there were aren’t any other suitors on the horizons).
“Anyone see Heyman’s article with the quote from the scout saying Broxton is better than Papelbon? LOL!!!”
Broxton has some nasty stuff.
“This past winter, I didn’t feel the building process was enough completed to start jettisoning off. When you make a big play like that, you’ve got to get where you need to be. That’s like the finishing piece.â€
translation?
“Brandon (THE METS BULLPEN IS GANSTA !)...”Keep Manny away !”
October 6th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
I’d be open to trading Nady since he has one yr. left, although I’d deal him for than Casey Kotchman”
you would. Or, you wouldn’t?
vinny-b,
We weren’t going to win with or without Santana, so he held onto the pieces he felt were going to help us in the future.
Basically, I think he was saying that Santana wasn’t going to put us over the top last year. We’re just riding out the old contracts.
thank you, mel.
you would. Or, you wouldn’t?
I would but not just Kotchman. X can net more* than just Casey Kotchman.
One year of Nady is not worth more than Casey Kotchman IMO
That said, I would not trade Nady, he’s a solid player.
“I would but not just Kotchman. X can net more* than just Casey Kotchman.”
Not sure I’d agree with that. Nady’s 30 next year, has one year left before FA and is a .280, low OBP, 21-22 homer, 80 rbi type. Does he really bring you more than a 26 year old 1B who is under control for three seasons, is a better defensive player, similar type of OBP and moderately less power???
Trade like that seems fairly reasonable.
How come I’m not hearing anything about the re-signing of Pavano?
because Pavano has an option. if they wanted him back for some silly reason, all they have to do is say so.
“How come I’m not hearing anything about the re-signing of Pavano?”
They won’t be fooled again.
Cry me a river about Cashman being in a no win situation.
His job is to put the best club on the field that can win a championship.
If it blows up in his face like this year, he’s on the hook for it just as he is on the one who should get praise when he builds a championship team.
That’s the job. He’s not a plucky lovable “let’s all pull for him” intern anymore.
This isn’t a cushy corporate job in a cube with sweet codgerly ownership that pats you on the back for trying.
The GM of the Yankees is a high profile multi-million dollar job that you get graded on with each and every move (and non move).
If you as fans want poor beleaguered Cash to be treated nice, I don’t know what to say to you.
What does he, wash your dog or bake you pies or something?
The nature of his job is to be judged on the organizations performance.
His job is to build a winner and he failed miserably at it this past season.
He has a chance this off season to rectify that and I hope he doesn’t let his spending phobia inhibit taking big chances on top players that this payroll and revenue can absolve.
If he signs CC and AJ and they both break down, hardly no one will hammer him in here. I know I won’t.
Every GM in baseball would sign those two if their owners would allow it.
Most of his harshest critics, like myself, give him a pass for Pavano because at the time, EVERYONE wanted Pavano.
What I don’t give him a pass for are moves like getting Igawa and not signing Lilly to save a few pennies so he can hide his shame of his own payroll.
The biggest thing Cashman needs to work on is to stop being ashamed and apologizing for being a team with more resources that another team and build the best club he can build.
Our team has 2 players in the rotation as we speak, one of which has a foot injury and the other a shoulder.
The rainy day is here and all that money coming off the books must be pumped back into the rotation.
If those players don’t perform, can’t handle NY or get hurt, that goes with the job/risk.
And if poor sweet Cashman can’t win in some of your eyes, here’s a newsflash—he makes 2 million (or more a year).
He’s already won.
‘Way up at the top, sunny said, ” Contrast that with Alex Rodriguez, who is widely perceived to be an October flop, yet has a career line of .279-.361-.483 in 166 post-season plate appearances.”
Please stop quoting ARod’s CAREER post-season line. It’s substantially different pre-1st-free-agency (Seattle) vs. post-1st-free-agency (NYY only, since Texas never was in the postseason while he was there).
It’d be far more accurate for you to quote his NYY postseason numbers only, since he’s been a Yankee for so long already and will be for the next 9+ years.
One year of Nady is not worth more than Casey Kotchman IMO
That said, I would not trade Nady, he’s a solid player.
You wouldn’t ? He’s 30 he’s a bit limited defensively he can be 25/90 type of player so a team that would want a veteran stick might bite on him and sell him in the deadline, if anyone is a trade commodity it’s him you just have to be wise in what you target.
I’ll give you a scenerio say Billy Beane is drunk and tells you Ryan Sweeney and Houston Street is Nady still staying ? Yeh I wouldn’t think so either. Oh and BB might do that because knowing him he’ll sell Nady by trade deadline and acquire more top level prospects. People you need to get wise on the veterans that you can deal.
On another subject, what a great postseason this is. Something to like about every team, even the sorry Cubs and the scrappy but ultimately under-talented Brewers. You gotta love players like Rollins, Longoria, Dioner, Pedroia, Chone Figgins. The Dodgers going to Fenway would be the best outcome, but hard to root against the Rays. They and the Angels are probably the the best teams out there. And Ozzie remains the most colorful manager in the game. Best postseason in years. Almost any matchup would be a great story.
Oh, wait… no New York teams. Maybe the Yanks and Mets could play an exhibition in Europe or something.
Kotchman’s value is still based on potential. He’s 25 (26 next season) and hap played about 400 games with 1300 at bats. Granted he did have a nice 2007 season: .296 with 13 hr .372 OBP, and an OPS of .839, but is that his peak?
He had a .775 OPS this year before the trade. The Yankees need more production than that at 1b.
Beane wouldn’t touch that Brandon. He’d go straight to moving Street for the prospects. Two years of Street, who could probably be a very good closer for an NL team and can still probably function pretty well in the role for an AL team, brings more than Nady would.
G. Love illustrations are clear and accurate….The NY Yankees will always operate with an inflated payroll, and they will circulate / reclycle dollars over and over again…..It’s big business with them, and they operate and thrive on Star power….Check out their road attendence numbers not to mention the home figures…..Fannies in the seats…..Now the real issue is to re-invest the Yankee dollars smartly…...
“He had a .775 OPS this year before the trade. The Yankees need more production than that at 1b.”
They don’t if Posada and Cano offer production at a level well beyond the average for their respective positions.
Tom,
You bring up a great point. Have the current Yankees ever brought in a player, via FA or trade, based on potential?
Speaking of Pedroia, anyone else pleasantly surprised at his struggles in this series. I had a big smile each time I saw a “past a diving Pedroia” last night.
Brandon that was a ridiculous hypothetical.
“On another subject, what a great postseason this is. ”
A postseason that doesn’t include the Yankees can’t be considered great. Interesting and entertaining, yes – but not great.
2 draft picks for Nady > Kotchman
Though we do need a real 1st baseman if we don’t sign Teixeria. Kennedy, Sanchez, Veras, Aceves, Edwar, Bruney, Miranda, Horne, etc. are all available.
Stop using it as a 2nd DH. Posada has openly said he isin’t moving there. It is much easier to get an all-round 1B than it is good hitting/fielding catcher anyway.
Brandon that was a ridiculous hypothetical.
I said if he were drunk didn’t I ? No one said he’d do it, but I’m breaking the notion of Nady being untradeable.
“Speaking of Pedroia, anyone else pleasantly surprised at his struggles in this series. I had a big smile each time I saw a “past a diving Pedroia†last night.”
He’s not hitting either. The Hobbitt is in a well timed slump. I couldn’t be happier.
I’d get Houston Street then ship him off to the Mets for Daniel Murphy or the Brewers for Matt Gamel
Fredo Corleone, touche. I’d argue that with Gardner in center and Nady’s career line being less than Abreu’s they’d need more offense from 1b.
“I said if he were drunk didn’t I ? No one said he’d do it, but I’m breaking the notion of Nady being untradeable.”
Nady is very tradeable particularly if the Yankees decide that they want 3 more years of Abreu. The Mets would take Nady back in a second if they could.
Would you trade Nady for Sori ?
Would you trade Nady for Aramis Ramirez ?
Derek Lee ?
Would you trade him for Matt Laporta ?
Would you deal him for Matt Cain since everyone said they’d do it for Cano why not Nady ?
See what I’m getting at ?
Kennedy, Sanchez, Veras, Aceves, Edwar, Bruney, Miranda, Horne, etc. are all available
since when did Cashman decided to give up on them?
“The Dodgers going to Fenway would be the best outcome”
statements like this make me want to throw up…
“See what I’m getting at ?”
No.
No.
He’s not untradeable.
“The Dodgers going to Fenway would be the best outcomeâ€
“statements like this make me want to throw up…”
Doesn’t sound like something a real Yankee fan would say, does it?
Posada is a career. 277 hitter and now is 37 years old coming off shoulder surgery which will undoubtedly affect his bat speed. I don’t expect much from him offensively next year, his value is more in the clubhouse.
“He’s not untradeable.”
I agree with that. I just don’t see him being worth much more than a Casey Kotchman.
“Would you trade Nady for Sori ?”
No. Soriano still swings at balls 10 feet off the plate. I don’t want him back here under any circumstances.
Nady will only be traded to a team as a missing piece in a pennant race. Think Bobby Abreu.
Nady’s not in anyone’s longterm plans. Well I think the Mets would take him back.
Check out Nady’s & Gardner’s stats with the Yankees. Starkly similar except the HR & SB numbers.
*Another team will only trade for Nady as a missing piece in a pennant race.
Nobody is un-tradeable. But no GM even, when drunk, would offer the yankees those players.
Nady is what he is: an above average ballplayer.
Ed,
You seriously won’t give up Aceves, Sanchez, or Miranda for a legit 1B? Seriously? What on earth have they done to warrant untouchable status?
No. Soriano still swings at balls 10 feet off the plate. I don’t want him back here under any circumstances.
Him and Nady aren’t that different at all. But I get your point. P.S. that think there isn’t a market for Xavier Nady what are you smoking ? remember during the deadline how many teams PM’d the Pirates GM on what they wanted then got PO’d because the Yankees got him and Marte, there is still a market for his services it’s up to this FO to think about it and not just pencil him in as a longterm or lose him for the pick.
“I don’t expect much from him offensively next year, his value is more in the clubhouse”
He better produce offensively. I don’t think for a minute he hits .330 again, or even .300, but no reason not to expect the high OBP, 20 homer, 80-85 rbi season.
I’m more concerned about teams running wild on him.
P.S. people that think
“Nady is what he is: an above average ballplayer.”
Who is also extremely good looking.
Sorry. This blog wouldn’t be the same without at least one reference to Nady’s hotness.
Aceves is a #5 starter at best.
Sanchez is a relief pitcher
Miranda is a platoon player who is Giambi-like in the field
Now we’re making those guys untouchable? Tough crowd.
Is anyone else concerned that our future left fielder Manny Ramirez is still involved in meaningful games and not resting up for the Yankees 2009 Championship team?
Expect a lot of walks from Posada. I don’t know if they were near career averages or not. But he walked quite a bit in limited action, probably because he was hurting.
And please, put Nady in LF. He’s better there than RF. So is Damon.
Could we see an OF of Nady/Damon/Cabrera, left to right? Oh dear. Please, Brett, be the real deal. Nady, Damon, Cabrera, Brett rotating in the outfield wouldn’t be too bad if the last too can pick it up offensively.
Nady’s market ain’t that great Brandon. He’s not a great player. Not a difference maker. He can fill a role for a team needing a right handed bat, but he’s not bringing much quality back.
You seriously won’t give up Aceves, Sanchez, or Miranda for a legit 1B? Seriously? What on earth have they done to warrant untouchable status?
I’m not saying they aren’t untouchables. Yes, I would trade them if the right deal comes along. Other than that, no I wouldn’t trade them.
Fredo—I agree with you 100% on Posada.
I think the thing this team is courting with him is he comes back healthy enough to play, but can’t throw Matt Stairs out at 2b.
Having Molina mitigates that somewhat, but Jorge isn’t going to ride the pine 3 out of 5 games and like it if he’s healthy.
We just have to hope Jorge crushes his rehab. You know he’ll work his butt off. He wants to come back and prove he’s still a catcher.
Just took the tour of the stadium & wang was throwing
Miranda is a platoon player who is Giambi-like in the field
Ummm… No he can actually field and throw to 2B and home and 3rd w/o bouncing it, his problem not that much is the ball to right.
*Damon is better in LF than CF.
Also have to consider that they’re going to put Matsui in LF once in a while.
Nady’s market ain’t that great Brandon. He’s not a great player. Not a difference maker. He can fill a role for a team needing a right handed bat, but he’s not bringing much quality back.
He was highly chased by many teams they didn’t just run away from that thought alot of teams would still want him.
“Sorry. This blog wouldn’t be the same without at least one reference to Nady’s hotness.”
I was doing fine without one. Now I hope the trade Nady to the Marlins for Jorge Cantu.
“Him and Nady aren’t that different at all.”
Soriano season averages: 36HR, 95RBI, .282BA, .847OPS
Nady’s season averages: 21HR, 78RBI, .280BA, .793OPS
Nady had a career year this year and his numbers were still worse than Soriano’s.
Mel –
I think I figured out why Cano and especially Cabrera have been slumping all season long. It’s because they worked out with A-Rod during last offseason, and this season (which its an even year)A-Rod isn’t doing well.
kind of make sense though…
“He was highly chased by many teams they didn’t just run away from that thought alot of teams would still want him”
Marte was more desired than Nady, and Marte’s inclusion in that deal is what got the Pirates Tabata. Nady himself doesn’t get him.
I think the combination of Nady & Marte garnered Tabata.
We wouldn’t give up Tabata just for Marte.
Nady is not an adequate replacement for Abreu.
He is a .270 hitter with a .320 OBP and 120 strikeouts. No speed, average defense.
A Damon-Gardner-Nady may be the worst OF in baseball. Definitely the worst among contenders. And unless we sign Tex, we’ll be getting nothing from 1B either.
We’ve scored 200 less runs than last year, letting Abreu and Giambi walk and not replacing them is a dangerous proposition.
(which its an even year)A-Rod isn’t doing well.
If the Yankees had a team of A-Rod production this past year no team would touch them. Over 100 RBIs would mean 900 RBIs. 35 HR each?
Its a shame its a down year, missing 21 games, and still batting over .300, and driving in a lot of runs. I think I’d take that.
“I was doing fine without one. Now I hope they trade Nady to the Marlins for Jorge Cantu.”
Oh, Fredo. You don’t let us ladies have any fun!
Marte and NAdy were equally desired, alot teams wanted X. I remember what this blog wanted to offer the Pirates and what Fatboy on WFAN wanted to offer for Nady. He wasn’t just a throw in.
Agreed, Mel. My point is that Nady alone brings less than Tabata. Tabata still has A-list status among prospects. I don’t see Nady, especially one year of Nady, bringing an A-list prospect in return.
“Its a shame its a down year, missing 21 games, and still batting over .300, and driving in a lot of runs. I think I’d take that.”
Pull almost any baseball player of of any field (AL or NL) and ask him if he’d take A-Rod’s 2008 numbers. He’d tell ya that he would in a heartbeat.
I wonder, does the Braves want to take back Betemit, and swap him for Martin Prado? just curious…
I think Nady, Damon, and Matsui should all be shopped. Time to clean out the dinasours and get younger, faster, more athletic, and better defensively. Signing Tex is a must.
Nady was a hot commodity (no pun intended) because teams thought he’d be a cheaper alternative than what was out there (Dunn, Manny), which increased his desirability. The Yankees only gave up Tabata to get BOTH Marte and Nady. Nady alone would be worth Tabata.
Teams always overpay at the deadline.
Looking back on it, the Nady-Marte trade was kind of pointless. I’d much rather have Tabata back now.
Brandon,
Stop it, please? There is no way Nady gets you Matt Cain, Derrek Lee, Or Soriano. No way in hell actually. Unless Cashman gives the other GM’s a ruthie that is.
Should I avoid watching tonight’s game? I don’t know if I can put up with the slobbering over Lester.
Stop it, please? There is no way Nady gets you Matt Cain, Derrek Lee, Or Soriano. No way in hell actually. Unless Cashman gives the other GM’s a ruthie that is.
raymagnetic –
Brandon was just making a point. he wasn’t throwing out ideas.
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Matt Kemp
Nady
Blalock
Hudson
other options, rather then 7yrs of Texeria at $130+ million and a full no-trade.
no. Not completely sold on Kemp yet. Will be checkin him, this playoff series.
“Should I avoid watching tonight’s game? I don’t know if I can put up with the slobbering over Lester.”
I won’t be watching for that very reason. Well, that plus I have dinner plans.
Mel, only if Lester is getting clobbered. He’s had some poor outings, and the pressure may be enough to get to him with Beckett having had troubles.
Otherwise do as I do, watch the game with the sound down low so the comments are just like background noise.
raymagnetic my point was he’s not untradeable like people say. Oh and I just want to point out something.
There is no way Nady gets you Matt Cain, Derrek Lee, Or Soriano. No way in hell actually. Unless Cashman gives the other GM’s a ruthie that is.
Not trying to bring this up but that kind of makes you wonder if he’s not a commodity why did we trade Tabata for him
I’ll be back later.
If we trade Nady this winter, he would have been on 5 teams in 5 years. Talk about a journeyman.
2005 – SD
2006 – NYM/PIT
2007 – PIT
2008 – PIT/NYY
2009 – NYY/???
How about trading Nady for Kelly Johnson, then spinning Johnson and some of our young pitching for Colby Rasmus?
Laura,
I’m glad the Angels won last night, otherwise there’d be no tv set to watch anything.
Got to keep rooting for Philly.
You can always decline Marte’s option and offer him arbitration. He has Type A status that could be worth 2 picks.
What a nice day at work today ! Thoroughly enjoyable. Every Sox fan that walked in the door had bags under their eyes and actually had nothing to say. What a pleasure! Hopefully it’s the same tomorrow morning as well.
“Not trying to bring this up but that kind of makes you wonder if he’s not a commodity why did we trade Tabata for him”
because tabata could get you nady but tabata could not get you cain
You never know what happened. In hindsight it didn’t get us to the post-season.
But Cashman got a lefty reliever that everyone coveted (don’t lie, it’s in the archives). The asking price probably included Tabata, so Cashman probably expanded the deal.
At the time Matsui was injured and Melky was sucking eggs. It was the right move at the time for two players that would be under control in ‘09.
It was the right move at the time.
Nady and Marquez for Saltalmacchia?
Nady and Duncan for Street?
Nady and Edwar for Ryan Church?
Nady and Aceves for Magglio Odornez?
Nady and Sanchez for Delmon Young?
Nady for Kotchman?
Nady for Chad Tracey?
Nady, Kennedy, Horne, and Melancon for Prince Fielder?
Cashman has coveted Marte for years. He isin’t going to give up on hm after .5 of a season. Especially when the 09 draft is one of the weakest in a long time.
Might as well either keep him around and have 2 quality lefties in the pen, pick up his option and trade him, or get the picks in the superior 2010 draft.
Clint,
You know what? The Yankees would be the perfect partner for the Mets. They need pitching, we’ve got it in spades.
They could get starters (Kennedy) and relievers (Veras & Edwar) and we could have our pick of the litter.
Seriously.
I think the weak draft coming up will be a big reason for the Yankees to sign some of these big FAs – Not much to choose from and the protected picks will probably nail down any of the available talent long before the Yankees get their choice.
mel,
You’re right. The Marte/Nady trade was lauded everywhere in baseball. It seemed like a great move at the time.
I think Nady’s marketability is at a high right now and the Yanks would be better off shopping him.
I’d love to see Abreu sign a 2 year guarenteed deal with a club option for a 3rd.Defensively challenged as he is,he wins more games with his bat than he loses with his glove. There are few players who drive in runs more consistently than Abreu.He’s driven in 100 runs 7 out of the last 8 years, including the last 6 consecutively. The only other players to do that are A Rod and Puljos.
So I don’t feel like I wasted 4 hours at work for nothing, here are the numbers I broke down the pitchers being discussed in Yankee rumors in each league evaluating their performances against Playoff teams. Halladay and Santana included for comparison purposes. These are small sample sizes, but it definitely speaks to ability (in order of WHIP).
1. Roy Halladay (101.1 IP, 15 gms: 2 v CWS, 5 v TB, 1 v LAA, 5 v BOS, 1 v CHC, 1 v PHI)
IP / G6.75
WHIP1.08
SO / BB5.31
GB / FB1.97
ERA3.28
2. Johan Santana (70.2 IP, 10 gms: 1 v CHC, 5 v PHI, 2 v MIL, 1 v LAA, 1 v LAD)
IP / G7.07
WHIP1.10
SO / BB4.37
GB / FB1.25
ERA3.18
3. Jake Peavy (44 IP, 7 gms: 4 v LAD, 2 v MIL, 1 v CHC)
IP / G6.28
WHIP1.14
SO / BB2.5
GB / FB1.18
ERA2.65
4. CC Sabathia (50 IP, 7 gms: 3 v CWS, 3 v CHC, 1 v LAD)
IP / G7.14
WHIP1.14
SO / BB4.5
GB / FB1.52
ERA3.42
5. Derek Lowe (58.2 IP, 9 gms: 1 v CWS, 2 v LAA, 3 v CHC, 1 v PHI, 2 v MIL)
IP / G6.50
WHIP1.24
SO / BB3.46
GB / FB3.30
ERA3.98
6. A.J. Burnett (92 IP, 14 gms: 1 v CWS, 3 v TB, 3 v LAA, 4 v BOS, 1 v MIL, 1 v CHC, 1 v PHI)
IP / G6.57
WHIP1.27
SO / BB2.47
GB / FB1.5
ERA3.71
7. Ryan Dempster (68.1 IP, 12 gms: 3 v LAD, 5 v MIL, 1 v PHI, 2 v CWS, 1 v TB)
IP / G5.69
WHIP1.49
SO / BB1.62
GB / FB1.18
ERA3.95
8. Zack Greinke (35.1 IP, 6 gms: 4 v CWS, 1 v TB, 1 v LAA)
IP / G5.88
WHIP1.50
SO / BB3.77
GB / FB1.33
ERA5.85
9. Oliver Perez (53.1 IP, 9 gms: 1 v CHC, 2 v MIL, 4 v PHI, 1 v LAA, 1 v LAD)
IP / G5.92
WHIP1.50
SO / BB1.62
GB / FB0.58
ERA3.88
10. Bronson Arroyo (64.1 IP, 11 gms: 2 v LAD, 3 v CHC, 2 v PHI, 4 v MIL)
IP / G5.84
WHIP1.55
SO / BB1.85
GB / FB1.27
ERA5.03
Don’t know what to make of this, except there are definitely options for 3-5 out there outside of the obvious Peavy, CC, Burnett, Lowe choices for 1-3 in the rotation.
“Nady and Edwar for Ryan Church?”
That’s an interesting deal.
Magglio Odornez – spelling error or don’t you like Maggy? His hair looks a bit greasy but I don’t think he smells!
Nick from NJ,
Um,this is your boss. You’re fired.
Even with a weak free agent class other than Teixeira, Sabathia and just a few others, there’s only a few teams other than the Yankees and Mets that will have the revenue streams to support high bidding.
Team owners won’t talk about it but the state of the economy is deep in their minds toward the next few seasons.
Whether they were smart or lucky, the Rays ownership group may have gone the right way in locking up players to multi year contracts for Longoria, Shields, Upton, Kazmir, Pena, Navarro, and before them, Crawford and Baldelli.
They won’t have a free agent of value hit the free agent market until 2010 (Baldelli) and Crawford in 2011. Meantime, their farm system keeps churning out excellent talent.
Many teams will offer ticket bargains to lure fans to the ballpark in 2009.
Drive 4-5,
Thank you. I’ve been waiting 8 years for that. Do I get a package? Or is it a “don’t let the door hit you on the way out” kind of thing?
CC sounds like he doesn’t want to get dragged around the country by all the teams pursuing him. The Yankees should take the flight out to California to see him in person and show that they are real players in signing him. Hopefully taking this approach will show CC how badly the Yanks need him.
Nick,
Besides the obvious AL/NL talent differential, I can only conclude that CC & Johan pitched so deeply because their bullpens sucked and their managers were abusing their arms.
Just kidding, good job on that. Why Bronson Arroyo? And where’s Garland. Just kidding, again.
Nick from NJ
As a package you will receive twice the value of your 401k, which ought to be worth about $435.62 after today.
““Nady and Edwar for Ryan Church?â€
That’s an interesting deal.”
Church said he hates NY. Also Nady is better and not an injury risk.
mel, Arroyo because I hear Mike Francesa gushing over him on a weekly basis and I have half a mind to send him this breakdown also, so he can be quiet about it already.
Nick from NJ,
I like Zack Grienke a lot. I can’t understand why he dodnt have a better year this season. I’d take a chance on him though. He has nasty stuff.
ps. We’ve decided it’s cheaper to keep you. Make up the 4 hours you spent on this blog and we’ll call it even.
AL from BK –
He said he hates playing for the Mets. After he had the concussion, they immediately put him out on the field while he wasn’t 100% recovered.
Drive 4-5, Happy to be back apart of the team. I’ll try and limit my blog time now that baseball off season has already started (albeit one month sooner than I’m used to).
Brandon,
I wasn’t saying that Nady is untradeable. I was just trying to say that given the choice I’d rather keep him. I wouldn’t look to trade him as I think he can help the team. Obviously if another team offers a trade that brings back more than he’s wor