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	<title>Comments on: Hot Stove Mailbag No. 1</title>
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		<title>By: stu</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/10/07/hot-stove-mailbag-no-1-2/comment-page-7/#comment-562550</link>
		<dc:creator>stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One angle we havenâ€™t discussed is using the financial flexibility to take on bad contracts as a way of improving the roster and acquiring young talent. For example do the Dodgers deal Kershaw or Kemp in a deal that also frees them from Anduw Jonesâ€™ contract? Do the Giants move Cain or another arm if it frees them of Randy Winn or even Zito? There are a number of teams that might be approachable from that perspective.

Itâ€™s another way to use their resources.&quot;


That is a great point ... we are all trying to figure out what package we can offer up for a big name player, but the fact that the Yankees have so much money to play gives them another layer of leverage that other teams dont have ... I could definitely see the Yankees going to the Dodgers for either Kemp or Lowney and offering to take Andruw Jones off their hands if they are willing to deal.

I wouldn&#039;t touch Zito though, even if it meant getting Matt Cain ... too many years that we would be on the hook for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One angle we havenâ€™t discussed is using the financial flexibility to take on bad contracts as a way of improving the roster and acquiring young talent. For example do the Dodgers deal Kershaw or Kemp in a deal that also frees them from Anduw Jonesâ€™ contract? Do the Giants move Cain or another arm if it frees them of Randy Winn or even Zito? There are a number of teams that might be approachable from that perspective.</p>
<p>Itâ€™s another way to use their resources.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is a great point &#8230; we are all trying to figure out what package we can offer up for a big name player, but the fact that the Yankees have so much money to play gives them another layer of leverage that other teams dont have &#8230; I could definitely see the Yankees going to the Dodgers for either Kemp or Lowney and offering to take Andruw Jones off their hands if they are willing to deal.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t touch Zito though, even if it meant getting Matt Cain &#8230; too many years that we would be on the hook for.</p>
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		<title>By: Everything little thing's gonna be alright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everything little thing's gonna be alright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and TurnTwo Tex actually is a transplanted 1B, albeit from the minors. He came up as a 3rd baseman but Blalock pushed him across the diamond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and TurnTwo Tex actually is a transplanted 1B, albeit from the minors. He came up as a 3rd baseman but Blalock pushed him across the diamond</p>
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		<title>By: Everything little thing's gonna be alright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everything little thing's gonna be alright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my dream/realistic opening day roster -

1. LF Damon
2. SS Jeter
3. 1B Tex
4. 3B A-Rod
5. RF Nady
6. DH Matsui
7. C  Posada
8. 2B Cano
9. CF Gardner

With Miranda, Ransom, Shelley, and Melky coming off the bench

Rotation -

1. Wang (back healthy)
2. Joba
3. Derrick Lowe (could be a good  catch for the money, will keep us in the game)
4. Aceves (knows how to pitch)
5. Hughes (I see next year&#039;s team following his lead - he&#039;s good = we&#039;re good)

LHRP - Coke and Marte
RHRP - Bruney, Giese, Edwar, Rasner (long man), Veras, and if anyone falls David Robertson first called up

We can&#039;t sink a lot of years and money into CC, too risky. And we need a defined bench unlike last years. And for the love of god PLEASE no Wilson Betimet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my dream/realistic opening day roster -</p>
<p>1. LF Damon<br />
2. SS Jeter<br />
3. 1B Tex<br />
4. 3B A-Rod<br />
5. RF Nady<br />
6. DH Matsui<br />
7. C  Posada<br />
8. 2B Cano<br />
9. CF Gardner</p>
<p>With Miranda, Ransom, Shelley, and Melky coming off the bench</p>
<p>Rotation -</p>
<p>1. Wang (back healthy)<br />
2. Joba<br />
3. Derrick Lowe (could be a good  catch for the money, will keep us in the game)<br />
4. Aceves (knows how to pitch)<br />
5. Hughes (I see next year&#8217;s team following his lead &#8211; he&#8217;s good = we&#8217;re good)</p>
<p>LHRP &#8211; Coke and Marte<br />
RHRP &#8211; Bruney, Giese, Edwar, Rasner (long man), Veras, and if anyone falls David Robertson first called up</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t sink a lot of years and money into CC, too risky. And we need a defined bench unlike last years. And for the love of god PLEASE no Wilson Betimet.</p>
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		<title>By: 86w183</title>
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		<dc:creator>86w183</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Casey Blake has never played more than 31 games at 1B in a single season and he&#039;s already 35 years old. I could live with Balek/Miranda at 1B for a year if they decide to spend on pitching, but a FA like Tex doesn&#039;t come around often.

I&#039;m not taking it personally TK, but I think shooting down one point of view demands offering an alternative. It&#039;s the debater in me!

Chipper actually makes a lot of sense if the Braves decide they don&#039;t want him beyond 2009 but I don&#039;t see that happening.

One angle we haven&#039;t discussed is using the financial flexibility to take on bad contracts as a way of improving the roster and acquiring young talent. For example do the Dodgers deal Kershaw or Kemp in a deal that also frees them from Anduw Jones&#039; contract? Do the Giants move Cain or another arm if it frees them of Randy Winn or even Zito? There are a number of teams that might be approachable from that perspective.

It&#039;s another way to use their resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casey Blake has never played more than 31 games at 1B in a single season and he&#8217;s already 35 years old. I could live with Balek/Miranda at 1B for a year if they decide to spend on pitching, but a FA like Tex doesn&#8217;t come around often.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not taking it personally TK, but I think shooting down one point of view demands offering an alternative. It&#8217;s the debater in me!</p>
<p>Chipper actually makes a lot of sense if the Braves decide they don&#8217;t want him beyond 2009 but I don&#8217;t see that happening.</p>
<p>One angle we haven&#8217;t discussed is using the financial flexibility to take on bad contracts as a way of improving the roster and acquiring young talent. For example do the Dodgers deal Kershaw or Kemp in a deal that also frees them from Anduw Jones&#8217; contract? Do the Giants move Cain or another arm if it frees them of Randy Winn or even Zito? There are a number of teams that might be approachable from that perspective.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s another way to use their resources.</p>
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		<title>By: TKinDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TKinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>86 -

I didn&#039;t call anyone nuts or crazy - I just said what I thought.  Don&#039;t get all sensitive.

I&#039;d go for a Casey Blake type - why not try to find a reasonably priced or shorter term solution?  Hell, get Chipper Jones :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>86 -</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t call anyone nuts or crazy &#8211; I just said what I thought.  Don&#8217;t get all sensitive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d go for a Casey Blake type &#8211; why not try to find a reasonably priced or shorter term solution?  Hell, get Chipper Jones <img src='http://yankees.lhblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 86w183</title>
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		<dc:creator>86w183</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Giambi was a great offensive player thanx to syringes. Since those days, not so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Giambi was a great offensive player thanx to syringes. Since those days, not so much!</p>
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		<title>By: TKinDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TKinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>randy -  

I did my own math and that is why I called you on yours - and in any financial modeling you factor in the probability of an event when trying to value it.

So if getting CC gives you a 10% better chance at making $50M then signing him is worth $5M, not $50M.  No one can guarantee that the Yanks would have made the playoffs given a particular personnel move.  No rational financial decision maker would assess the fact the Yankees missing the playoffs as a &#039;loss&#039; of $50M.

You can look at it as more of an &#039;option&#039; than a gain or a loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>randy &#8211;  </p>
<p>I did my own math and that is why I called you on yours &#8211; and in any financial modeling you factor in the probability of an event when trying to value it.</p>
<p>So if getting CC gives you a 10% better chance at making $50M then signing him is worth $5M, not $50M.  No one can guarantee that the Yanks would have made the playoffs given a particular personnel move.  No rational financial decision maker would assess the fact the Yankees missing the playoffs as a &#8216;loss&#8217; of $50M.</p>
<p>You can look at it as more of an &#8216;option&#8217; than a gain or a loss.</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura October 7th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
The only people who seriously want us to trade Cano are panic button fans and the other 29 teams in the league.

Agreed.

My only amendment would be &quot;dumb fans who don&#039;t know how to recognize talent&quot; in place of &quot;panic button&quot; fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura October 7th, 2008 at 12:38 pm<br />
The only people who seriously want us to trade Cano are panic button fans and the other 29 teams in the league.</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>My only amendment would be &#8220;dumb fans who don&#8217;t know how to recognize talent&#8221; in place of &#8220;panic button&#8221; fans.</p>
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		<title>By: 86w183</title>
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		<dc:creator>86w183</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TK--- Then offer a an alternative. There&#039;s nothing easier than criticism without offering a better solution.

Again, no one cares what Boras might ask for and if the bottom line is ten years I say no thanx. But I doubt he will get much more than 7 years and $ 126. My line in the sand would probably be 8 @ $ 18 per.

What&#039;s your solution for 1B and what will that solution cost. And please, TK don&#039;t insult our intelligence by trading three crappy prospects for Casey Kotchman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TK&#8212; Then offer a an alternative. There&#8217;s nothing easier than criticism without offering a better solution.</p>
<p>Again, no one cares what Boras might ask for and if the bottom line is ten years I say no thanx. But I doubt he will get much more than 7 years and $ 126. My line in the sand would probably be 8 @ $ 18 per.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your solution for 1B and what will that solution cost. And please, TK don&#8217;t insult our intelligence by trading three crappy prospects for Casey Kotchman.</p>
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		<title>By: TKinDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TKinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giambi was a much better offensive player and an MVP before the deal that he signed.  Tex&#039;s best year got him 7th in the MVP balloting (although this year might be a touch better than that.)

but given:

&quot;Boras&#039; asking price will be in the 10-year, $200 million range. The industry expectation is Teixeira will come in at six-to-eight years in the $120 million-$160 million area&quot;

from the Post - I don&#039;t think he&#039;s worth it when it is so clear we need flexibility in contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giambi was a much better offensive player and an MVP before the deal that he signed.  Tex&#8217;s best year got him 7th in the MVP balloting (although this year might be a touch better than that.)</p>
<p>but given:</p>
<p>&#8220;Boras&#8217; asking price will be in the 10-year, $200 million range. The industry expectation is Teixeira will come in at six-to-eight years in the $120 million-$160 million area&#8221;</p>
<p>from the Post &#8211; I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s worth it when it is so clear we need flexibility in contracts.</p>
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