Today in the playoffs
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ALCS Game 2: Boston (Beckett) at Tampa Bay (Kazmir), 8:07 p.m. (TBS).
Meanwhile, as playoff games are held in St. Pete, Hank Steinbrenner is in Tampa talking about his “piss-ant employees” and still complaining about Johan Santana. Nice to the see the Yankees have such calm, focused leadership.
Barring some news, this will be it for the blogging today. I’ll be in Boston tomorrow for the workout day at Fenway Park and then covering the ALCS games there.
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Chad Jennings
Sam Borden
Josh Thomson
crawdaddie-
You are hysterical, when are you performing so I can laugh some more.
“I wonder what the Yankees are thinking now while they’re fishing or doing whatever,” Frank Torre said on the field at Citizens Bank Park before Game 2 of the NLCS, as quoted by USA Today. “I have friends there. I will always root for Derek Jeter. But what they did to my brother was not right. Really, it was pathetic what they did. There was no class.
“I hear Hank Steinbrenner say, ‘Where would Joe Torre be without the Yankees?’ Well, let me tell you, Hank Steinbrenner was fortunate he was born in the Steinbrenner family. His inheritance is a whole lot bigger now than it would have been if not for my brother. I think he gained a lot more money than my brother after all of those World Series.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....mbers.html
Hank’s need for attention is pathetic.
He undermine’s the whole organization by his self serving comments.
George must have squashed poor ol Hank when he was growing up.
Why do people even listen to him when he speaks? Hal needs to tell him to muzzle it because he’s not doing the team any favors by running his mouth.
i don’t see anything wrong with what hank said… the santana trade should have been made. he is going to harp on it, and rightfully so because it was a franchise changing move.
atleast he acknowledged his mistake and hopefully will not make it again… id rather a guy be man enough to admit his mistake rather than be delusional and try and rationalize it.
Am I missing something? What did Hank say that was so bad? Who did he undermine in that column?
He supported Cashman, he said everyone was on the same page and will look at everything this off-season not just one area, he was even gracious towards the Rays.
That one line about Santana is what ticked people off? So he isin’t allowed to have an opinion?
Agree. If anything, people should be happy that he was not very revealing in that interview and didn’t reveal any names of FAs, make any proclamations, threaten anyone etc. Didn’t rip Torre, the Red Sox, Rays, anybody. He even said he is isin’t going to be as candid with the media and realized nothing good will come out of it.
Mountain out of a mole.
He needs to shut up but atleast he is feeling remorseful about not making the Santana trade, that is a good sign. Those who do not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.
I didn’t see anything too bad in this Hank interview.
My only concern is that in negotiations, he shows our hand to everyone, instead of being quiet about what is going on in the deal.
There was part of the interview that was degrading to his employees, but that comes with job when you work for the Steinbrenners.
Am I missing something? What did Hank say that was so bad? Who did he undermine in that column?”
I agree. I started reading expecting to see much worse. I was sort of impressed with Hank’s demeanor, at least compared to some of his early season behavior.
I actually take solace in knowing how badly Hank wants to win. I’m sure he wants $$$ too, but some owners just care about making money. Hank, right or wrong, seems like a real fan. His opinions may differ, but I can rest assured that he REALLY wants the Yankees to win again. Let’s just hope he lets everyone else, Cashman et al, do their jobs.
“The most important thing to remember is this: If you didn’t get it from me or my brother [Hal], it doesn’t mean [anything]. I don’t care about some piss-ant employee. If you don’t get it from me or Hal, it’s meaningless. I have a lot of things [in Tampa] and Hal is in New York, which is good.”
That makes Cashman pretty highly paid for a piss-ant employee whose quotes are meaningless, doesn’t it?
Hank is a piss-ant heir. One suspects George treated his kids like his managers. Wanting to win and being able to make it happen are two very different things.
Maybe the ‘piss-ant’ employees were referring to Levine, Felix the Gardner etc. the scraps of the Tampa mafia.
He supported Cashman, so clearly it wasn’t him, so who cares who else he was talking about? It was probably nobody of importance.
If Hank and Hal are the only 2 who’s comments are meaningful, does that relegate Cashman to the meaningless piss-ant category.
If he believed that, why pay him millions to stay for 3 years?
Despite the Yankees missing the playoffs, Steinbrenner said he believes Joe Girardi is still the right manager, and is happy Cashman re-upped for three years.
“I talked to him [Cashman] during the [June] draft and told him I wanted him back and I am glad he did,” Steinbrenner said. “He is just like me, he wants to finish the job and get this thing turned around.”
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So where did people get the idea that
piss-ant’ comment was directed towards Cashman when he supported him 3 paragraphs later? People just seem to want to pile on the guy for some reason.
The Yanks are finally making a smart move:
http://njmg.typepad.com/yankee.....first.html
The 2009 Yankees
1b: Texeira
2b: Robinson Cano
3b: Alex
SS: The Captain
CF: Gardner
RF: X
LF: Damon
C: Posada/Molina
DH: Matsui
Rotation: Wang, Joba, CC/AJ, Pettitte, Hughes?
Bullpen: Mo, Bruney, Marte (spring traing will decide like in 08 where the bullpen was a strenght
You might deal cano plus another prospect for a good SP
I’d trade Hughes for Gonzalez too.
The guy plays in the worst hitters park in baseball (and worst division when you factor in AT&T and Dodgers Stadium), and still puts up sick numbers. He also plays great D. He is the type of 2-way player we need.
Which piss ant employee is “MC”-Hank speaking of? Girardi? Cashman? the players? Who else do we hear from? It’s not like Pete and the rest of the press are printing quotes from the ushers or something. I mean which free agent in their right mind would want to come and work for a moron like that. There has to be something seriously wrong with this guy that goes beyond plain old stupidity. Hal seems like he turned out alright. Even to look at them you can tell something is off. I know Pete doesn’t always approve of us pointing out an individuals physical shortcomings but compare Hank and Hal.
Look at Hal.
http://www.nydailynews.com/img.....lstein.jpg
A nice looking guy right. One could even say handsome. Notice how he’s proud enough to wear the championship ring.
Now look at Hank.
http://assets.sbnation.com/imp.....0/hank.jpg
Come on you’re going to tell me that Hank isn’t a few chromosomes short of a full deck.
This one’s pretty funny too.
http://www.tiricosuave.com/images/citizenhank.jpg
I just hope that someone fills in CC and others that it’s not Hanks fault that he says some of the dumbest and meanest things this side of Marge Schott. It’s just that he was genetically shortchanged and his brain never fully developed.
*”MC” = Mentally Challenged
Why not just get Teixeira and not have to give up any prospects?
Could the Yankees make it some sort of Ãœber trade, where they would end up with Peavy and Gonzo?
Hughes and Cano would have to be involved somehow though…
This is sort of off topic, but, I have a question:
Is there a limit to how many type “A” free agents a team can sign in any given offseason?
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_mlb
The Rays may be paving the way to what is expected to be a much more difficult AL East in 2009, but Damon said he was banking his chips on Terry Francona, David Ortiz and the rest of his old friends who helped the Red Sox snap the Curse of the Bambino before going on to another World Series title last season.
“I think Boston has the best team right now,” Damon said. “Anything can happen, but I think Boston looks real strong.”
With Gonzalez under contract/control for 3 years, cheap*, it will take a great deal to pry him loose. Many, many prospects; almost a Santana-esque trade given the contract leverage. San Diego needs to rebuild big time.
*09: $3.0, 10: $4.75, 11: $5.6. per Cots.
Tom -
Cashman and Towers are frequent trade partners since 1998. Cashman had made the most trades with him than any other GMS. I would surely think Cashman could definitely work something out without including Hughes and Cano, and any other untouchables.
Damon is still a Red Sox at heart. Wouldn’t be suprised if he is wearing an Ortiz Jersey and sitting in a luxury box tonight.
Damon is still a Red Sox at heart. Wouldn’t be suprised if he is wearing an Ortiz Jersey and sitting in a luxury box tonight.
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Or throwing out the first battery on Monday, that is if Mascot Millar isn’t available.
Ed, If you look at the 3 most recent trades involving stars: Danny Haren, Miggy and Willis, and Johan, the price was steep.
I would imagine the deal (Peavy+Gonzo) would have to have either Hughes, or Cano involved–if not both.
I’d trade Hughes for Peavy or Gonzo straight up.
Id we could get both, I’d add Cano and Kennedy in a second.
Gonzo is so underrated, I don’t know why the Pads would trade him though
I refuse to read the link because I’m sooooooo tired of Hank and his Grand Canyon-sized mouth. No wonder fans can’t let go of Santana – Mr. Blowhard can’t, either. I will say, Pete, that Hank has little power in comparison to Hal and that is why he’s opening his mouth. He reminds me of Jan Brady, but instead of “Marcia, Marcia, Marcia” it’s “Johan, Johan, Johan”…..or “Hal, Hal, Hal”. This guy is absolutely pathetic……. Cash, are you still sure you want this job? In any case, Cash and Hal work very well together and that’s all that counts.
Why would SD trade their cornerstone player for Hughes?
I would do it in a heartbeat though if it was available. We’d likely have to sweeten the pot.
Frank, hush up. No one cares about you anymore. Sheesh – now this explains why I am not rooting for Joe against the Phillies. I have had MORE than my fill of this garbage – we get it, he’s the world’s first perfect person and the Yankees should have made him full partner. I’m going to lose my lunch now, but before I do, let me repeat ……..Frank, hush up!
I heart Hank.
Glad to see he regrets the Santana trade, I’d be worried if he didn’t.
staying far away from the Hughes talk, lol
Back to Hank – he does annoy me and I dislike him immensely. That said, his “piss-ant” comment was NOT directed towards Cashman; to me, it was directed to those anonymous sources/employees/friend of the organization familiar with the Yankees’ thinking that newspapers are so fond of quoting – in general, people who have absolutely no clue as to what the team is thinking. In fact, I doubt if these people even exist; it’s easy to make up quotes from people who aren’t named.
Hank has more power than people think. How else did Posada and A-Rod get signed to mega deals to the ire of Cashman?
Hal obviously had to sign off but A-Rod himself said he went to Hank directly. So, Hank can talk his brother into things and Cashman can talk Hal into certain things. Hal is the middle man, not the owner. Whoever makes the most convincing case for something wins out. No other reason why A-Rod is still here and Posada got such a terrible contract.
A Rod’s deal will turn out to be a very good one for the Yankees, so will Posada’s.
Z, not true. Hal did not want to lose Po or Mo……not sure about A-Rod – he considered that (from what I’ve read) $$ well-spent in that those guys surely deserved to finish their careers in pinstripes.
No, Hank didn’t get what HE wanted, so he throws tempter tantrums. Through no fault of Santana’s, the Mutts didn’t make the playoffs- that should show him that one player can not guarantee anything in sports, esp. baseball. He’s a big baby. He was outvoted on this and he is unable to move on. What Hank needs is a Delorean that can get up to 88 MPH so he can go back and live in the past.
If you read that Wallace Matthews article earlier in the month, it said Hal informed Cashman he could only have Pettitte or Santana, we couldn’t afford both.
So thats what stopped the Santana trade. Notice that the thing started to fall apart that Tuesday after Andy informed the team he was coming back? Thats when Hank made his whole ‘teams demand more from us’ rant and then Hal swooped in a week later and said he nixed the trade. That was the day after the Lester/Santana swap heated up.
Those fans booing Hughes loudly off the mound that night when he was shelled by the Tigers agree with Hank.
Water under the bridge now.
hank is 100% right about santana, no question
“Hal did not want to lose Po or Mo……not sure about A-Rod”
Hal didn’t want to lose any of them. The conflict was in the number of years for all of them.
Z,
I agree. Too many people are naive, provincial thinkers. They equate Hal to Hughes and paint him as god, failing to realize money was the breaking point.
And Felix Lopez, George’s landscaper and one of the lead members of the old Tampa fraction, is very close with Hal. His name is always included with Jenny and Hal. People need to be careful that they know all about Hal.
A-Rod was “money well spent”? Are you serious?
We paid him $315 for what? We were bidding against ourselves. No other team even came close to those numbers. Boras was backed into a corner, thats why A-Rod even came back to us. Hal goes out and gives him that ludicrous contract then comes out and says money nixed the Santana trade and now you are hearing whispers that he wants to lower the payroll to $180 even though we will be printing money in the new stadium. Something doesn’t add up.
Arod @ 315M is money well spent to the team from a business standpoint. The Yankees will make A FORTUNE when he starts coming close to Ruth, Aaron & Bonds.
It appears the only ones who didn’t want the Santana trade are Cashman and the Yankee fans on the internet.
Every media member and talk show host criticize the Yankees to this day—- Francessa, Kay, Beningo, Raissman, Madden, Sherman, King, Matthews, Davidoff, Harper, Grazaino etc. Even the national columnists like Rosenthal, Heyman, Olney, etc.
Same with the fans who call WFAN/1050 everyday. How many of them call up and defend the non trade? None. When the topic is Santana its 99% Anti-Cashman for not making the trade. And the fans who go to the games booed him out of the building against DET that night.
Hank isin’t alone with his opinion. There is a reason why that article won’t generate any controversy, most everyone in the mainstream world agrees with him about the non-Santana trade. The ones who disagree with him are on the internet, thats it.
I think the point he was trying to make is Hal didn’t HAVE to give him $315 million. He could have gotten him at a significant discount, and I agree/ There were even quotes in that initial story saying the only way they would take him back is if he deducted the Texas money from his salary. In reality, he got paid almost 4 times that.
Hey, its their money. But it sets a terrible precedent for future transactions. Hal better not be talking about lowering payroll then, he set the standard for the largest contract in Sports history.
will the rays actually show up today?
If you’re right and everyone else is wrong, does that make you wrong. If Joba and Hughes win 30 games this year, will that shut up people, I doubt it.
Nah, Boston is just too much for them. Too much pitching, too much pedigree.
Do we really want Lowe? How much better is he than Pettitte in the AL?
Oddessy, When does Boras not get his money for a premium free agent? You think Boras is an idiot? No way in hell does he opt out of that deal and walk away from the 6 year extension without knowing there was more money out there. Boras usally drags major signings out to late Dec-Jan. When Arod went back to the Yankees it was 2-3 weeks into free agency which was very early in the process. The major players didn’t have a chance to reveal themselves yet.
lowe is a 3rd option if we don’t get cc or burnett or in addition to those guys.
he is an innings eater at the back end who can pitch some big games, nothing more. certainly not the guy who is going to anchor the rotation but a guy who is better than rasner, kennedy, aceves etc.
if mussina decides to come back as well as pettitte, then i dont think we even go after him.
I can’t believe so many people have already given up on Hughes, Kennedy and Cano. Yes this year was a disaster, but it’s only one year. That’s the problem with New York, anytime either team has a budding prospect (Hughes, Kennedy, Cano, Pelfrey, Milledge, etc.) the media anoints them the next Roger Clemens, Willey Mays, Rod Carew, and so on and so forth. Then, when they fail to deliver IMMEDIATELY, everybody flips.
I’m not disputing this year was a disaster for the Yanks, but it’s a slow process. Obviously, at the moment it looks like not pulling the trigger on the Santana deal was a mistake. But let’s see in a few years whether or not he’s still healthy and if the baby bombers come into their own. Sometimes you have to see the forest through the trees.
I like Lowe, he’s a proven post-season performer and won’t cost that much money. He’ll be less expensive than CC and isn’t nearly as injury prone as AJ.
If we don’t get CC and Hughes only becomes a #3 or another fragile Sheets pitcher who can’t throw 200 innings (certainly possible), then yes the trade is a disaster.
Doesn’t look promising now, and may not look promising next year if Hughes spends the year in AAA but we just have to hope for the best.
They certainly broke the mold of doing whatever it takes to win in order to stress development, lets hope ht is the right choice.
I have no problem with Hank regretting the Santana deal (although I don’t). I do have a problem with him referring to his employees as piss-ant. It’s low class and not the way the Yankees should be behaving.
The attractive thing about Lowe is that he doesn’t want more than 2-3 years and you can pencil him in for 200 innings. He also has proven he can be used in the pen if needed (or if he completely bombs).
Lowe would be a very smart signing.
“I like Lowe, he’s a proven post-season performer and won’t cost that much money”
He’ll cost plenty. Won’t need to be a lot of years, but you’re talking $14M-$15M per year most likely.
Depends what contexts it is used. If he is referring to the rats like Levine and the Tampa mafia who have tried to take over the organization and undermine the baseball operations, he is right.
I think that you guys need to keep something in mind. Even though a lot of these guys are good players and do well with the team they are currently playing for, that doesn’t mean they’ll be good Yankees. Playing in NY isn’t like anywhere else. How many players have come here and stunk up the place because they couldn’t handle the pressure?
I’m not trading Hughes or Cano for a NY unproven player.
“If he is referring to the rats like Levine and the Tampa mafia who have tried to take over the organization and undermine the baseball operations, he is right.”
He may be right, but I still say that’s not something you say in public.
this is a great OKLA/TEX game
Why isin’t more attention being paid to Frank Torre’s comments? Why pile on Hank when what Frank said was more disparaging?
because frank was right?
if not for torre, hank wouldn’t be employed and he was fortunate to be born in the steinbrenner family. and they were classless to torre. and sadly, we are ‘fishing’ now while he is in the NLCS.
we just have to take the shots we get, nothing we can do to defend ourselves without making it worse. we made our bed now we have to lie in it.
Derek Lowe is presumably smarter than to come back into the AL East, where he is at best mediocre. Having plenty success in the AAAA NL West. His last 2 years in the AL East he posted ERAs of 5.42 and 4.57. He’s a groundball pitcher who will give Jeter and Cano a whole lot of extra work. He’ll turn 36 during the ‘09 season. All this for $14M and giving up a draft pick? Exactly how many of these kinds of innings do you want to see him eat? Where does all this Derek Lowe love come from?
OTOH, he IS highly entertaining and would love New York.
Fredo: That’s exactly what I meant, he won’t be looking for a long term contract that’s going to haunt us for years to come.
Patrick: Because many people feel that what Frank said was true, especially in light of the snub heard round the world.
“Why pile on Hank when what Frank said was more disparaging?”
Frank’s comments are more understandable. He’s a guy defending his brother. Plus, some of what he said was true. The Yankees could have handled the Torre situation better.
What I don’t like about Frank’s comments is that he’s forgetting that if it weren’t for the Yankees, Torre wouldn’t be managing the Dodgers right now. Think about it – who was looking to hire Joe back in ‘96? How many WS rings did he win as a mgr before then?
I rest my case.
The Anti-Hank crowd should love the way Frank Torre stuck it to Hank in that Daily News article.
“if not for torre, hank wouldn’t be employed and he was fortunate to be born in the steinbrenner family.”
What? Torre has nothing to do with the fact that Hank is George’s son, that’s why he’s employed.
You can’t help who you’re born to. I’ll never understand the argument that a person is “lucky” to be born into a family.
“Where does all this Derek Lowe love come from?”
Not from me. He’s be 5th on my list if I were the Yankees. Instead, Heyman says that he’s third behind CC and AJ.
Which part of the above do people not understand? The Twins wanted Hughes, the Yankees offered Hughes and then the Twins decided to get greedy and ask for more.
Why do people constantly blame the Yankees when it’s the Twins who decided to shop the Yankees deal after the Yankees offered them Hughes?
Source: http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....611764.htm
Laura, who is 3rd and 4th on your list?
Exactly.
If the Twins would have accepted the initial Hughes/Melky/Marquez package, Santana would have already been here.
Hughes isin’t what stopped the trade, it was the 3rd player in the deal. Remember they wanted Jackson/Tabata/Horne? They thought they could squeeze more out of us and they were wrong.
The Yankees did all they could to get Santana. Bill Smith should be blamed, his greedy nixed the trade. And all he ended up with eventually was Joey Gathright 2.0 and a bunch of mediocre AAA pitchers.
“Laura, who is 3rd and 4th on your list?”
1)CC
2)AJ
3)Peavy (although I’m not willing to give up Cano to get him.
4)Garland
5)Lowe
Eh, I thought that was mild Hank. His questionable adjective notwithstanding. Pretty tame stuff.
We’re not landing Peavy. I would offer Hughes for Adrian Gonzalez and would not offer Robi in the package. Robi is a position player you keep, he has too much upside untapped and is controlled at a good price.
BTW
Waikiki Beachboy
October 11th, 2008 at 4:44 am
I just got back from watching Jeremy Bleich pitch tonight and he looked VERY good. This was the second time I’ve watched him pitch here in Hawaii and he looked much more composed tonight. Going right after the hitters and using his breaking ball perfectly. He and Romine seemed to be gelling really well. The other encouraging sign was that Bleich even seemed to overpower some of the hitters with his fastball. It wasn’t that his fastball had such great velocity but he was mixing his pitches so well that it really took the hitters by surprise.
Romine also looked good at the plate as well as behind it. He looks very comfortable with the bat in his hands and appears to be a solid contact hitter. Hopefully his power will develop as he progresses.
I also had a chance to talk with Andrew Brackman before the game and he was VERY gracious in signing a couple baseballs for me. When I asked him what it was like to be in Spring Training with the big club, he smiled and said, “Awesome!†He also confirmed that he would be back in Tampa for Spring Training in ‘09.
Lastly, I feel extremely fortunate to live in Hawaii but to also be a devoted Yankee fan and have the opportunity to watch future Yankees is quite an amazing experience. Two years ago, I had the chance to meet Joba right after he got drafted and he actually thanked me for asking him to sign my ball. He is definitely my favorite Yankee because he was so unbelievably down to earth. I also got to see Austin Jackson play last season and watched him dunk on a regulation basket with slippers/flip flops on after one of their games. Now that’s something that I will always remember. What an athlete!
I woke up and only saw one person respond to your post WB, thanks for the HWB updates. Please keep us informed on what is going on over there.
Um, I’m not going to believe anything Wallace Matthews has to say, X-Mann.
calm down, Tom, sheesh. Did you even READ my post? I didn’t mention A-Rod except to say that I wasn’t quite sure what happened with him. Besides, I made it perfectly clear I was talking about Mo and Po finishing THEIR careers with the Yankees and how Hal wanted that to happen.
Wow, Fire Meachum – who gives a flying fig if the media wanted Santana or not? Is that how you want the Yankees to run their team, by taking a poll of the mediots? That’s it -I’m done with the Santana thing. If you guys can’t let it go, then so be it. You’ll be miserable until Johan either retires or breaks his arm.
Go on diet Pete, you look ugly on blog picture, more like a double cheeseburger with 2 red cherry tomatoes for eyes, damn you have a real ugly look.
Go Rays!
Kevin
He does look more like a homeless on a bronx bound train..!
Yeah, sign Lowe so he can reminisce about 2004 with Johnny Damon.
Are the WB or AFL broadcasted at all? I’d love to catch a few of their games if possible.
Thanks for re-posting my comment from this morning, Brandon. I just wanted to add my little bit of insight into our Yankees prospects here in Hawaii.
Bleich really did look good last night. I was actually surprised at how well he fields his position too. His very first pitch he threw was a bunt that he fielded perfectly and threw out the runner at first. I also remember him calling off two infielders for a high pop-up and getting down the line to cover first on two occasions. Oh and he also smoothly started a double play from a ball that was batted straight back to him. Perfect 1-6-3 double play.
Thanks for reading guys! I’ll comment about our Yankee prospects in HWB whenever I can if there is still interest. Btw, the Beachboys pitching coach is Jeff Ware who is also the pitching coach for the Class A Charleston Riverdogs. Class act all the way. He’s also very high on Dellin Betances.
Hughes for Adrian Gonzalez?
Where Do I sign?
I trade Hughes before I trade Robi. Cano is a position player with so much potential. We don’t have any position players. Shopping Robbie is useless, it just takes us back to square one.
could hughes get us james loney or matt laporta?
Doubt it. Cleveland traded for Laporte in the first place because they need offense. They are like us. They have young pitcher but no position talent.
Dodgers are in the same boat— they need another big bat more than they need pitching. Loney is also their most mature young player, they won’t move him.
Kemp and Ethier could probably be had for Hughes, not Loney.
Gonzalez doesn’t have the NTC obstacle that Peavy does, so maybe he is more attainable than Peavy.
Hughes would obviously be the focal point of either deal. They can have Kennedy too if they want.
Let’s see how much Hank regrets the non-Santana move. Go out and get us our ace this off-season then, either via FA or trade.
Hank is the personification of the phrase: money can’t buy class. He’s an embarrassment to the Yankee franchise. Just shut up and let Cashman do his job.
“Let’s see how much Hank regrets the non-Santana move. Go out and get us our ace this off-season then, either via FA or trade.”
Hank is clown – Hal is the man behind the curtain working the controls while Hank is the bombast and bs in the hall.
The idea that you would trade Hughes now is the very definition of asinine. We have a guy who is under contractual control, cheap and has 1 or 2 in the rotation ability. Gil (F’ing) Meche is making $12M – you don’t think that Phil can do those kind of numbers? come on.
Frank Torre is right— Hank has no class.
Torre must love how everybody is attacking the Yankees from different angles this past month. Even Donnie Baseball, the iconic Yankee, got into the action.
But as Frank said, we are fishing now and he is in the NLCS. The Torre clan has every right to gloat
I have no problem with Hank regretting the Santana trade, most people do and he has every right to have that opinion. It was a mistake, IMO.
But referring to his employees as “piss-ants” is classless. This guy just always swoops to a new low. I’m sure when he gets wind of Frank’s comments, we’ll have a new set of classless, bitter comments on the way.
Props to Frank for putting Hank in his place. He went below the belt, but maybe it teaches Hank a thing or two.
Hughes is another Ben Sheets/Pavano – - – gets a bunch of weird, non-arm related injuries every year.
And like Sheets/Pavano, Hughes has the ideal pitcher’s frame. If you give him a spot in the rotation, that is basically like handing Ponson a spot because thats who will replace him when he eventually goes on the DL.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f.....wanted=all
The Yankees should remember the article above if they want to know what a winning team feels like. Buckling under the pressure of money for the 10th anniversary of the 1998 team. I can’t believe it’s been 10 years already.
I also want to complain again about MLB’s money-grubbing playoff scheduling, especially since it’s not making the ballpark experience any cheaper. And in protest, I’m not watching either game.
Even if we miss out on CC, I’m fine because Joba is our ace anyway, so we don’t need an ace.
Joba the ace, Wang the #2 where he belongs, Hughes the middle rotation starter where he is projected.
No need for CC when we have an ace and co-ace. If Mussina comes back, thats even better. With big game Andy in the #5.
Use that money on Manny instead.
I am not watching because I want to ruin their playoff ratings.
I will monitor the game via Box score.
which game was more impressive?
hughes’ 6.1 innings of no hit ball vs. texas
or
kennedy’s game vs. burnett last yr in september (7 ip, 1 h, 1 er, 7 k)
or
joba’s 1-0 win in fenway vs. necektt (7 IP, 9 K)
my vote is joba hands down.
Is that poll serious? Who would choose anything other than Joba’s game in Fenway? That was a truly dominant performance that night. Cricks in Fenway
Kennedy’s game against the Angels was magnificent.
Joba can’t be the ace of the staff next season because he can’t pitch a full 30 starts due to his innings limit. He likely wont be able to again in ‘10. This Yankee team needs to make a move for a bionafied #1. If it turns out that Hughes and some other lower level prospects is enough to get the deal done you simply have to do it. I don’t think it is but that’s another question. I love Phil but Peavy is one of those next level type of pitchers and has an extremely club friendly contract for a guy of his talent.
Adding to that trading Hughes for a guy like Peavy with his contract is far from selling low on him, in fact it’s getting pretty max bang for your prospect buck. My opinion, Yankees should trade for Jacob Peavy, sign big CC, keep Joba in the rotation and you can go toe to toe with any other rotation in baseball for a very long time.
Rob, I agree 100% if you can get any ace like Peavy for Hughes, you HAVE to pull the trigger.
I have no problem giving up Hughes for Jake Peavy. But would SD do it?
I doubt Hughes would be enough. Peavy is a bonafied ace, a CY young award winner and only 26 years old and locked up for the next 5 years. If he was on the market, so many teams with better farm systems than us can offer more like ATL, TEX, MIL etc. Peavy isin’t like Santana who requires an extension, the fact that he is locked up means all 30 teams will be involved.
I would trade Phil for Peavy in a heartbeat though, but I don’t think it would be enough.
i’d like either gonzalez or peavy, and i’d have no problem giving up Hughes for either.
I have said it many, many times before, and I say it here for the record once again:
I DO NOT WANT TO BE A YANKEE. I’M A RED SOX FAN.
Jake Peavy October 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
I have said it many, many times before, and I say it here for the record once again:
I DO NOT WANT TO BE A YANKEE. I’M A RED SOX FAN.
Come to the dark side Jakey.
Well there we have it, Peavy doesn’t want to come here.
Time to move on to Zack Greinke
No way does San Diego trade an established young ace for a younger pitcher who has lots of potential but no one knows precisely how good Hughes will be.
“I DO NOT WANT TO BE A YANKEE. I’M A RED SOX FAN.”
Jake
You don’t need to root for us, just pitch for us.
Brian
Peavy is a notorious Braves fan, FYI. I live out here, I know. He is as southern as you can get.
I am no way rooting for Boston but I hope they sweep Tampa (then get swept in the WS)…maybe they’ll both go away next season with this failure.
Clemens hated the Yankees too and said he wanted to go to Toronto where the quality of life was better. And he was HATED in the Yankee clubhouse before he came here and always hit our players.
Then he came to the darkside and loved it.
Peavy sounds like a southern name.
speaking of the south. When ESPN gameday were in okie land today, the deep-fried snickers bar actually sounded kinda good.
If Boston wins tonight, we might as well hope they sweep. Boston isin’t blowing a 2-0 lead going to Fenway against this Devil Rays team.
Atleast if they sweep and PHI-LAD goes 6, the Sox might lose momentum like the Rockies did from sitting around. All their pitchers would have a ton of rest too.
Did Hank really mean to call out the players who gave those anonymous quotes these past few weeks? Especially the ones lately who said they are unhappy with Girardi?
They are technically Hank’s “employees”. He didn’t have to people in the front office, he could have meant players.
Deep-fried snickers bar-that does sound…interesting
I could have sworn there was some restaurant in NY or NJ that just deep-fries everything
Just catching up with the comments. Anyway, I decided to read the entire article in the Post. This immediately caught my eye:
“I said that if you treat me fair and honest, I would treat you fair and honest,” Steinbrenner said. “Those days are over. I told Hal, if you live by the press, you die by the press. I didn’t live by my own words.”
While he may not be entirely articulate, he certainly has a pulse on the press. Good for you Hank. Stop talking to them and just do your job.
Anyway, I agree that his “pissant” comments were certainly not meant for Cashman. Sure he could have used a better choice of words.
Here’s what I think about Hank. He wants to field a great team and for the Yankees to win. I have no need to judge him beyond that.
GO RAYS!
I see the Rays as scrappy and determined. We’ll see if they show up tonight.
I have a major problem with Hank regretting the trade. First off, who are the “most people”? People on this board? Every Yankee fan? I know from my visits to various boards that there are just as many folks who are glad that Phil is still here and that the Santana deal didn’t go down (for reasons other than Phil, to boot); they just don’t post as often or as loudly as those who want to keep complaining about it. It works the same way with sports radio – the people that call in are mostly those unhappy with something. You hardly hear from those who are satisfied
Mostly, though, Hank’s constant whining about it is pathetic – he sounds like a 5 year old. If I pricked him with a needle, he’d deflate in a second because he’s no substance, just hot air. He was outvoted, period, now he has to deal with it. It’s been almost a year and he’s still yapping away; it’s embarrassing. Poor little Hankypoo didn’t get what he wanted, so now he’s going to stamp his feet every day until someone comes and tells him it’s going to be ok………Guess what, Hank? No one cares! The Yankees are moving ahead with whatever plans they have and this guy is stuck in the past. Sheesh.
Scott Kasmir – biggest start of his career
My two cents:
Hank is a spoiled brat. Point blank, period. He was conspicuous by his absence all year, and unless he was caring for his ailing father, he would have been there if he really cared.
If he had his way, he’d continue the same big spending, starve the farm philosophy that has resulted in our New York Yankees falling so far from grace. The fact that he’s still dwelling on the Santana deal shows how out of touch he is with the major problems this team had all year. The best pitcher on the planet would have only been able to do so much, and everyone who pays even a remote amount of attention understands this.
To mug the Bard of Avon:
“[Hank]’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
Hank complaining about the media is transparently stupid – He has the scribes on speed dial and then gripes about it? Give me a break. Sure Hank – tell Hal to avoid the press.
Craig Sager-his outfit tonight looks somewhat normal
“But as Frank said, we are fishing now and he is in the NLCS. The Torre clan has every right to gloat”
No he doesn’t. This has been said a million times before, but apparently it bares repeating. LAD would not be in the playoffs if they played in the AL East. That fact can’t be ignored. They are in a soft league and they caught the break of life when they got Manny. That had absolutely nothing to do with Torre. He got lucky — just like he got lucky with us in the 90’s.
Let’s face it. If the sux win tonight they have pretty much have won the chamionship. Neither National League team could beat these guys in a 7 game series.
-S
“Neither National League team could beat these guys in a 7 game series.”
True. However, I remember thinking the same thing about the DET-STL series. And we saw how that turned out.
The Dodgers could beat the Sox.
They have Torre, the best manager currently in baseball and a proven playoff winner. He will motivate them and be a calming influence in that clubhouse. Manny is obviously a legend in the postseason. Both he and Torre know all the secrets about the Sox and the tricks of Fenway that other teams are oblivious to. They have a lights out bullpen and a lights out pitching staff (except for Maddux).
Because of Torre and Manny, the Dodgers will be a very dangerous team. Not to mention it would take a huge momentum swing for them to rally from 2-0 vs. Philly, they would take that surge going into Boston.
I think I see the Phillies potentially kicking whatever butt they face.
In any event, one thing I love about Kasmir. Nothing seems to scare him. He has always showed a healthy arrogance. That will certainly stand him well tonight as I doubt he has any fear of the Sux.
Oh jeez
2-0 Red Sox
Ugh. And as soon as the words are out my mouth.
Sorry Rays.
Hank, unlike Cashman, actually recognizes that the farm has NO position prospects and needs to get much better.
Maybe we’ll stop taking soft tossers and injured pitchers with our high draft picks and get some hitting for once.
Looks like they are going to need a bad Beckett to show up tonight.
Well, that should do it.
Good job Rays. What a fraud team.
Beckett is the best postseason pitcher of all-time. Bay gives Boston a 2-0 lead (in the game and series) that they will not relinquish.
This is what mystique and aura does for a team.
Get it together Kazmir
pat, here’s hoping. We’ve seen the bad beckett a few times lately. Hopefully he still has some of that bad going on.
38 pitches in first inning!
Hi everyone -
Been busy with my daughter’s 19th birthday today, but was in and out skimming a couple of times during the day.
First -
I thought the Post article was harmless – I wasn’t going to read it, but once I clicked the link,well, I figured might as well. The term “pissant employee” was unfortunate, but otherwise, it was a very innocuous article. And I took “pissan’t employee” to mean an “underling,” certainly not Cashman.
Second -
Well, I guess it’s going to be Sox versus whoever in the World Series. I hope the other team wins, but this Red Sox team knows how to win. I hate to have to say that, it pains me to say that, but it’s true.
Now, let’s hope Becket is not on his game and that the Rays show some of that come back-ability the showed in the last series and all season. It’s only the first inning – anything is still possible, right?
“Beckett is the best postseason pitcher of all-time. Bay gives Boston a 2-0 lead (in the game and series) that they will not relinquish.”
YAWN! That’s what someone said just before beckett gave up 4 runs to the Angels. I come from the show me state. (Of course I am hoping he doesn’t show me tonight…)
If the baseball gods have any compassion, these Rays will have a horseshoe with them tonight.
GO RAYS!
I’m not sure if Hank is smart enough to think like this, but maybe he is using the “annoyance” method do get his way.
He will harp on the Santana trade all winter and mention it in all his interviews, knowing fully that it will annoy Cashman. The media and fans (who call in the stations and go to games, not the ones who are stationed in front of their PCs) have harped on the trade all season.
Hank may feel that if he annoys Cashman enough and gets enough media pressure (you can tell its getting to Cash by how he lashed out explicitly at them twice this offseason alone), he will eventually go to the darkside and join him. Cash is here for 3 more years, he signed the extension. Hank feels after a year of it being shoved in his face, he will start to have some regret and make sure it never happens again and makes sure he gets us our ace this winter.
If Hank was using that ideology, it was a very smart idea by him.
Hi D! So good to hear from you. While I hear what you are saying about the Sux, an excuse me bloop hit and a play that Crawford didn’t make last night were their two runs. I’m not ready to write off these Rays just yet. I will always concede that a team that has had trips to the postseason has some kind of edge of a team that hasn’t.
I admit to not watching the NL very much but unless it is just an illusion, so far it looks to me that the Phils are a very formidible opponent. Am I incorrect to think they can beat an AL team?
Well there goes Beckett’s no-hitter
Santana sacrificed strikeouts for GBs. He now is pitching deep into games and becoming more economical. A Halladay-esque transformation.
That will eclipse Moose as the best FA signing in baseball. He has shown he can pitch even without strikeouts. He looked like a different pitcher this year, but was just as dominating.
Didn’t I warn you all about that f*cking Jas*n B*y ?
That’s the A-Hole they need to stop!
Why didn’t the D’Backs of 2001 turn into marshmallows like these Rays ?
S.A.
All tied up!
HA HA HA HA HA you loser ER.
The baseball gods just told you what you could do with your phony baloney marshmallows.
Trisha -
The only –
Hurray!!!! it’s a GAME!!!!!
THERE YA GO!
Well, Trisha -
I was about to say our only hope is for the Rays to be able to win in Fenway, but, we have liftoff right here!
Let’s Go Rays!
Hi Trisha!
we’re seeing why teams like the rays don’t belong. Sure, they make a nice story but they are going to buckle under the pressure. As much as I hate to say this but the red sox will likely win it again…with good quality pitching.
If the Yanks don’t solidify the rotation then they’ll be at home during the playoffs again with baby stein saying more stupid stuff trying to convince himself that he knows what he is doing
so much for the greatest postseason pitcher of all time!
I think I’ll repeat what I just said to Doreen for anyone who may not have read it.
I’m not ready to write off these Rays just yet.
Thank you baseball gods.
Dear A-Rod,
Heh heh.
Love,
E.Longoria
trisha -
I’ve always said if you give Philly even decent starting pitching, they would be a force to be reckoned with. They are built for a short series. They are gritty, they can manufacture runs, and they just always seem to get big hits and play great D. This year, Hamels was an ace, Myers was dominant in the 2nd half, and Moyer had a career year. They had the best bullpen ERA in baseball too after having one of the worst last year.
Now that they matched their offense and grittiness with some pitching, they are very formidable. I just don’t know if its enough to beat a quality AL team like Boston. I don’t trust Myers, Moyer, Blanton, Lidge etc. in Fenway against that lineup. I think they would beat the Rays. I do think they would give more of a challenge to BOS than LAA or TB.
“we’re seeing why teams like the rays don’t belong.”
Uh, because they just got the two runs back?
Doreen, I was also going to say back to you that the Rays would have to pick it up in craptown. I of course will feel better if they go there with a win under their belt!
“Am I incorrect to think they can beat an AL team?”
No. Your keyboard’s got more IQ than you Trisha.
Bankrupt,
I hope you didn’t bet money on Beckett being the best postseason pitcher of all time otherwise you may indeed go bankrupt
t-rock
You rock!
Why does er ‘pretend’ to be a Yankee fan. Everyone can see through that phony facade.
Last night was a tough game to watch, Trisha. Dice-K has no right being that effective. But he’s certainly having a year for himself. I know the runs the Red Sox scored last night, especially the second one were not pretty, but they were all they needed. It wasn’t so much that the Sox looked so good last night, but that the Rays looked so overmatched. That’s what a good pitching performance can do to a team. If they had been able to muster a hit or two at the right time, they surely could have won. Their pitching did a wonderful job (The Rays, that is) by limiting Boston to 2 runs. But they didn’t and the 2 lousy runs held up. I guess the biggest surprise last night was Crawford not catching that one ball. Bad break on that.
Now, hopefully Kazmir will have gotten over his first-inning jitters and we’ll have us a 1-1 series by the end of the night.
“No. Your keyboard’s got more IQ than you Trisha.”
YAWN! I think I hear the buzzing of an infected gnat.
Bankrupt wrote: Beckett is the best postseason pitcher of all-time
You know, I’ll give you that 2007 was one of the best one-year runs a pitcher has had, up there wit hershiser in 1988. But people need to calm down. He has the grand total of TWO world series victories to his credit. Maybe on his way to being one of greatest in postseason but not there yet. beckett is not even in the top 15 as of right now.
I actually like ER… he’s a funny guy.
Tries to rile us up but he is harmless.
jennifer, they say you can’t embarrass an ignorant person. That’s why ER the pretend Yankee fan keeps showing up.
Dice-K needs to change his name to Houdini.
That man is always pitching on the edge of disaster..and then gets out of it. It’s freaking mind-boggling.
I think Dice-K needs to have guys on base in order to concentrate and throw strikes.
Just like a closer needs to be in a save situation only to perform.
Doreen I agree about last night’s game. What a pitching performance by Shields also.
I am hoping that the Rays are a young enough team that they will bounce right back with confidence.
Is there a more odd-time for a playoff game than 4:37 PM on a Monday?
S.A. =
Dice-K runs contrary to everything you ever hear – don’t walk the leadoff hitter, it’ll come back to bite you! Not for him – no, he walks the bases loaded and then strikes out the side. It’s really annoying. It seemed every time a Yankees pitcher walked a lead off hitter, he came around to score. Well, let’s see what next year brings to Dice-K.
I love the Yankees just as much as you guys do, but let’s face it…Beckett’s a damn BEAST when he’s healthy. I still have nightmares from 2003.
Papelbon has pitched 20.2 innings in the postseason without allowing a run. He too seems to shine when it matters like Beckett, Dice-K, Lester, Pedroia, Youakklis etc.
S.A. =
Dice-K runs contrary to everything you ever hear – don’t walk the leadoff hitter, it’ll come back to bite you! Not for him – no, he walks the bases loaded and then strikes out the side. It’s really annoying. It seemed every time a Yankees pitcher walked a lead off hitter, he came around to score. Well, let’s see what next year brings to Dice-K.
I know! Just when you think..Oh that walk is gonna bite him in the butt…it doesn’t.
So annoying! lol
Pauly, then we will have to hope that he remains unhealthy – or just continues to not age well!
Why in hell Sux posters need to bother our reverie will always be beyond me.
Dice-K has what it takes to shut down his mistakes. It is rather phenomenal.
You have to admit the Yanks scout well. A shame we had to trade away Navarro. Who did we get for him, does anyone remember at this point?
I don’t see any reverie, I just see trisha constantly flapping her gums.
Doreen – Just wanted to say Hi – You’ve been busy with your daughter’s 19th birthday (congrats), I’ve been busy with new painting, new furntiture, and getting a new large screen TV to watch the (Yankee-less) World Series.
It’s amazing how one thing morphs into another. I just wanted to get a large screen TV, and this morphed into new furniture, house painting, and window treatments.
Anyway – Hi.
Right jack/john/ER the man of a thousand identities.
YAWN!!!
We traded Navarro for Randy right?
There are other places to wax poetic about sox players. If you need help finding it, it was quite simple.
Go to google, type in red sox blog. And you can wax poetic with other sox fans about the red soxs.
Clint I totally don’t remember at this point. I will see if I can find it (though you may very well be right.)
Trisha =
I’m not certain, but I seem to remember he went to Arizona as part of the Randy Johnson deal.
Clint said the same. You guys are probably right D.
joe- I just went from switching to winter clothes, to purchasing new bookshelves.
This is the first time i’ve sat down all day. And am still not done!
Pedroia, who has a .100 BA this postseason is “shining” in the postseason?
However, I sadly agree with the other ones.
I swear Beckett starts slow and just gets better as the game goes on….
Joe from Long Island
Congratulations on your new tv. We have been talking about joining the new millenium television-wise for a few months now, but haven’t pulled the trigger yet, because, as you said, it’s not just about the televistion! It means new furniture and a few other details as well!
Hey, is the ump working a tight zone? He may be doing it for both sides but it sure looks like he’s nmot giving the outside corner.
Clint
October 11th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
We traded Navarro for Randy right?
___________________________________________________
Would you rather lose Navarro, who was still at least two years away from being effective, Halsey and Vazquez or who they turned down…Wang and Cano?
Ugh.
“anti abreu
October 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
if not for torre, hank wouldn’t be employed…”
This has to be one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever read on this vaunted forum.
MVP
3-2 Red Sox
Okay – Halsey, Vazquez and Navarro for Randy Johnson – Baseball Reference.com.
Joe from LI -
One of the things we can’t decide is whether to mount the flat screen on the wall or not. And if we do, should we put it over the fireplace or not. Too many decisions!!!
Darn that Dustin Pedroia!!!!
Liking that trisha??
See?
Unfortunately, I was right. Pedroia is a big game performer.
I admit that I’m a Red Sox fan. I admit that I would rather stay with Yankee fans. So shoot me.
Another homerun for MVP Jas*n B*y ?
( Trisha, you must be that same mean-spirited, old bi*tch from the NYT forum. )
Kazmir is like CC… dominant regular season then melts down in big games when it matters the most. But Kazmir is a hot head, and all hotheads melt in big games.
Doreen, not sure that I’d be putting a TV over the fireplace. The heat would destroy it within two days.
jack me too. I just think these Yankee fans are a lot more sophisticated then Red Sox fans. They’ve been around winning teams more so it’s cooler to hang out with them. Maybe I shouldn’t admit that but it’s how I feel.
No ER. Bay will hit a 2 run double HR
Screw ER. She knows a lot more than you’ll ever know.
Pete can track IP addresses for impersonators, FYI.
Trisha: I sleep with my fingers crossed, wishing that he gets another blister
. And yes, Navarro was part of the Randy deal, which, I’m sure, was one of the trades going through Cashman’s mind when he decided not to go through w/ Santana.
ER (The Final Season) October 11th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Another homerun for MVP Jas*n B*y ?
( Trisha, you must be that same mean-spirited, old bi*tch from the NYT forum. ).
Seriously? Cut the crap.
Who the hell thought this thing’s posts were funny?
I wish one of the Rays would be bold enough to Tanya Harding Jas*n B*y.
It’s not like Navarro would have played a lot with Posada here anyway. He is too stubborn to move to 1B, so it wouldn’t have mattered. We would have his heir apparent, but it won’t matter for a few years.
Chances are, Navarro would have been dangled for something else from then until now.
ER: having been a longtime member of the now-defunct NYTimes Yankee forum, I can state explicitly that Trish is one of the finest, most spirited Yankee fans of all time – leave her alone.
By Gawd.
Or else I’ll have to take another swig of this ‘Hopdevil Ale’ and try to be even more imaginative on this keyboard.
GB -
Could be – but we’ve used the fireplace about 2 times in 7 years! I love the idea of the fireplace, but it’s one of those smaller ones in these newly built homes, so you’ve constantly got to poke at it and prod it and, well, let’s just say, the constant attention to the fire spoils the mood! I ended up putting candles in it. We’ve been toying with the idea of converting it to a gas fireplace, but, it doesn’t seem worth the expense.
Atta boy Upton. 3-3
The reason Sanchez was awful yesterday is because he hasn’t pitched for 3 weeks prior to yesterday. They Edwar’d him.
Dustin Perdrioa is unquestionably the greatest second baseman ever to play the game.
***Pedroia***
Damn this is a hell of a scrappy team.
TS, thanks for the compliment!
And isn’t beckett the best postseason pitcher ever?????
Beckett getting racked now. Might see Paul Byrd tonight.
Evan Longoria – wow.
What’s his personality like? Anyone know? Good guy? Franchise-type players?
why must trisha you bring out the worst in our poster?
aardvark
October 11th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
“Dustin Perdrioa is unquestionably the greatest second baseman ever to play the game.”
I am an avid Sox fan but I can’t agree with that statement.
Jennifer – life does get complicated, doesn’t it?
Doreen – As others have said, I’d be leary of the TV over a fireplace. We are putting ours on the stand, as I am leary, despite what everyone says, about drilling holes into my walls.
I guess the good Becket stayed home.
Kazmir doesn’t have much tonight. Beckett has nothing.
GO RAYS!!!!!
Well this game will be interesting
I bet the final score will be 8-6 or something..
Nicely done Rays!!
Too bad Kazmir will give it right back.
trisha, yes beckett is! 3 innings does not change that.
Joe from LI -
Not drilling into the wall at least gives you options down the road. Once you commit to on the wall, if you change your mind, it’s more work. It’s good to get some input regarding the over-the-fireplace placement. The only reason we were even contemplating it is the vantage point – it would be clearly visible from the kitchen which is something my husband has wanted for all our married life. My one rule has always been no tv in the kitchen. SO, if he could have a tv that he could see from the kitchen that is not IN the kitchen, he could both continue to honor my rule AND break it!
ray (sox fan)
October 11th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
aardvark
October 11th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
“Dustin Perdrioa is unquestionably the greatest second baseman ever to play the game.â€
I am an avid Sox fan but I can’t agree with that statement.
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Right now, he’s no even the best Red Sox 2nd baseman in history. Bobby Doerr going to go look up that poster and slap him around with his HOF ring.
Pedroia is better than Denny Doyle ever was.
Doreen – My wife demanded a TV in the kitchen, so she could watch AM TV while she had her coffee before work. That’s the only reason we have one there, to have peace and harmony.
None too pleased with that Kazmir guy.
Why couldn’t we hit him?
Trish – Beckett is my raison d’etre.
Have to admit – the fact that two AL East teams are slugging it out for the pennant gives me a degree of emotional compensation for the fact the Yanks absolutely sucked (by their, and subsequently, our [or is that the other way around] standards).
The sparks hitting that vinyl screen would leave pock marks and if it’s a plasma screen, it will cook it.
Ellsbury pops up, leaving The Greatest Second Baseman Ever To Play The Game in the on-deck circle.
Kazmir at 87 pitches.
GB7 – now THAT’S some funny shiza.
(I’m far too sophisticated to write LOL)
trisha, where were you last night when boston was winning? will you pull the same thing tonight if the sox go ahead?
aardvark
October 11th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Beckett getting racked now. Might see Paul Byrd tonight.
god I hope so!
Atta boy Big game Beckett! 5-3 Rays
I’ll take Jerry Remy over Elfman.
beckett is the BEST postseason pitcher ever!
GO RAYS!!!!!
Watching Beckett’s face after he gives up a HR is one of the most beautiful things in baseball.
big game beckett is too much for the rays.
he will settle down now,
kazmir almost out of the game, they will tattoo the rays pen.
j*ason Ba* will hit a walkoff HR
mel
October 11th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
None too pleased with that Kazmir guy.
Why couldn’t we hit him?
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The Yanks may not hit Kazmir that well, but, in 11 career starts NYY is 4-4 against him. He’s 3-1 against NYY over the last two years and about a 1.50 ERA, though.
We can’t hit lefties in general
Tampa batters should complain about that white object hanging from Beckett’s neck -
Why does Bay need to hit a walkoff HR, can’t the great Red Sox win the game before that?
We can use this post season to throw Beckett under the bus and call him a bad post season pitcher but I believe the guy is hurt and is doing what an ace does, going out and battling. He is still despite the 5 runs keeping his team in the game. Guy is really good every other year which means we better get some pitching for next year.
aardvark-
Impossible for any Red Sox player to hit a walkoff.
GB7,
I may be a spring chicken compared to you, but you’re memory is much better than mine which is very short.
Why are Buck and Darling bending over each other making excuses for Beckett? If the guy can’t pitch because he’s not healthy, don’t throw him out there.
“Why are Buck and Darling bending over each other making excuses for Beckett? If the guy can’t pitch because he’s not healthy, don’t throw him out there.:”
an injured Beckett is still better than PaUL Byrd
sevrox,
Agreed. Jerome Williams was forced to take off his puka shell necklace even though he wore to remember his deceased mother. It didn’t bother people for a long time until one manager was a punk about it.
the sox went into the trop looking for a split and hfa. mission accomplished. a win tonight is icing on the cake.
Rob, Agree 100%. I hate the Sox, but nobody can knock Beckett. After what he did against us in 2003, I don’t see how people don’t respect him.
His career indicates he will have a dominating year next year. Imagine a rotation with Dice-K, Beckett, and Lester with ERAs all under 3?
Cashman better get us some pitching if we want to win next year. TB is adding Price too.
mel
October 11th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
GB7,
I may be a spring chicken compared to you, but you’re memory is much better than mine which is very short.
Why are Buck and Darling bending over each other making excuses for Beckett? If the guy can’t pitch because he’s not healthy, don’t throw him out there.
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I suppose they felt they needed to make the excuses to cover for the drooling earlier in the game when they talked about him back to being his normal dominant self.
“Why does Bay need to hit a walkoff HR, can’t the great Red Sox win the game before that?”
The better question is how can Bay hit a walkoff if they are playing in Tampa?
Haven’t seen much of the game. How many HRs has Beckett given up?
mel -
Catching that too?
My husband and I were just talking about how they have this pre-constructed story of Beckett being a post-season marvel of a pitcher, but he’s not pitching well tonight and they’re having a lot of trouble revising their story.
Whether he’s hurting or not, he is not having a good night. He is not going to dominate tonight. There are 4 innings in the books already and the Rays have 5 runs and a 2-run lead. He’s not going to pitch a shut-out tonight no matter how much they want him to.
Pedroia making up for lost time!
Rob NY,
I know that. But they’re going on and on about his arm strength not being there. As if people will stop saying Beckett’s the greatest post-season pitcher in the world.
Francessa was right. The Rays needed to sweep if they wanted to have any chance to win this series.
Sox have Beckett and Lester going in game 7 if it goes that far.
Kazmir is lucky that Beckett’s having a little worse of a time of it tonight.
Again – DARN that Pedroia!
I’m going to change the name of my baby daughter to Pedroia Rose.
Doreen,
LOL. Great minds…
on a totally off topic thought for the night just got back from Villa Di Roma in Philly (it is on 9th street in the heart of south philly) and if you are ever down there for anything highly recommend it. Great place to go before a game and it was great to be in south philly and see al;l the Phillies signs around the street and the market.
Might be time to say bye to Kazmir in this game
Ray,
Or should I call you Mr. Troll…
doreen, i don’t know if you have been listening to chip, but he is not even trying to hide the fact that he is pulling for the rays!
Too late-Tied game
kazmir blows
how long is that idiot maddon going to stay with kazmir?
he was awful against the cubs and he is awful again tonight. he has given up like 10 HRs in his last 4 starts.
go to david price NOW
The gutty scrappy Red Sox really giving Kazmir the business. Good thing Steve Phillips traded him or he may be giving up these homers for the Mets!! Oh wait…
Kevis Youkilis is unquestionably the greatest first/third baseman ever to play the game.
where did trisha go?
sevrox,
Pedroia Rose Youkilis?
sevrox
October 11th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
I’m going to change the name of my baby daughter to Pedroia Rose.
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Yeah, and if you do that, when she’s 18 years old, we’ll read in the papers about the Servox family getting slaughtered by Pedroia Rose Servox because she couldn’t take the embarrassment heaped on her because of the name. Mr. servox had his tongue cut out and his fingers chopped off and stuffed in his mouth.
Noreaster
October 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Ray,
“Or should I call you Mr. Troll…”
I have posted here for two years and don’t believe I have ever seen a posting by “noreaster” so I am guessing you are a regular but don’t have the courage to use your regular name.
i would rather have 5 wangs than 5 kazmirs!
The Sox just have the never say die mentality.
Amazing how they just continue to win and win. Even when they are down, they rally. So many gutty, gritty role players who are clutch and play with so much passion. 10 pitch ABs, great D etc.
Feels like I’m watching the 98 Yankees
stuart -
I haven’t really been listening to Chip. But maybe since I’m pullling for the Rays, too, he’s not making an impression on me!
Well, so much for Kazmir being a tad better than Beckett. Sheesh. This is as different a game from last night as you can get. How can you let the Red Sox 2 best hitters this season (arguably) beat you? Sigh.
I don’t know…Cashmere’s rather nice. Much better than angora.
“kazmir blows”
trading hughes for peavy is stupid. and burnett is garbage.
What is this? A HR derby?
6-5 Sox
Ballfour? Uh, Kazmir could’ve done that.
Yeah Ray is good people, he may root for a team with a losing history but he still contributes in a positive way to the blog. If I have to walk past another WS parade to get to class this year I may just have to mail it in and be sick…. to be totally honest. This Jason Bay guy is pretty annoying.
The Sox are going to wipe the floor with the Phillies or Dodgers.
Can we atleast get Torre out of the playoffs quickly? That might make this miserable fall more tolerable.
Where does Pedroia get his power from-HGH in chewing tobacco??
Is this home run derby or a playoff game?
Guess Beckett settles down and Boston, unfortunately goes up 2-0.
Whomever wins this series will win the WS.
What else would the Pirates have wanted for Jason Bay instead of Nady?
GB7 – that’s pretty bizarre.
What’s a “servox” anyway?
Your consonants are inconsonantsequential.
Lay off the Jack Daniels. I’m a vet also.
How about Pedroia Youkilis Baywatch Rose?
wow! there is just no quit in the team from beantown.
jack loser, I’m still here. See I belong on a Yankee forum, unlike you. But I’m also talking to my 2 year old niece on the phone, which is more interesting than having you around!
When did Tampa acquire Chase Wright?
Bay has been on losing teams his entire life. Now he comes here and replaces Manny seamlessly.
It’s the Sox uniform. Whoever puts it on turns into gold. They have all the aura and mystique now. They feed on eachother and the grinder mentality just transmits into everybody.
John
October 11th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
The Sox just have the never say die mentality.
Amazing how they just continue to win and win. Even when they are down, they rally. So many gutty, gritty role players who are clutch and play with so much passion. 10 pitch ABs, great D etc.
Feels like I’m watching the 98 Yankees
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Of course, they’ve also blown leads tonigt, so Tampa seems to have “that say die attitude” also.
***tonight***
Yankees… this is a lesson on clutch performance…
Kazmir isn’t this bad, he needs rest eversince the ASG he hasn’t been the same.
sevrox
October 11th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
GB7 – that’s pretty bizarre.
What’s a “servox†anyway?
Your consonants are inconsonantsequential.
Lay off the Jack Daniels. I’m a vet also.
How about Pedroia Youkilis Baywatch Rose?
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It’s Chivas Regal…and I figure that you’re in the witness protection program and changed your name.
trish winner… play nice!
I’ve never seen a team that spits as much as Boston. Gross.
I guess it was wishful thinking on my part that a team that has lost 100 games in every year since its inception could take down the powerhouse franchise full of winners that is the Red Sox.
The difference between the 2 teams is startling. This is like watching a 2000-2007 Tampa-Boston game where they played the Sox tough but could never hang onto a lead and could never get the big hit and they would relinquish every lead they got.
Kazmir hasn’t been at the top of his game the last couple months.
But I bet any manager would love to him in their rotation.
Every pitcher goes through down times, but when Kazmir is on he is very, very good! There have been games that he completely dominated the Sox.
Well, THAT was a disturbing commercial! Yuck.
mel
October 11th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
I’ve never seen a team that spits as much as Boston. Gross.
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You never watched the 50s-60s White Sox with Smokey Burgess and Nellie Fox or the Yanks with Hank Bauer, Ralph Houk and Johny Blanchard, then.
“I’ve never seen a team that spits as much as Boston. Gross.”
They seem to lead the league in weird hair too even without Manny.
Maddon going to his late inning reliever in the 5th inning, clearly panicking like this is game 7.
That is the difference between most managers and Torre. Most managers would panic and treat this like a must win and exert that pressure on the players by their tactical moves and body language. Torre just stays calm and reminds them it is another game.
GB7,
You’re kidding right? Slightly before my time.
I know guys spit. I know players spit. But there’s a lot of spittle flying from the Sox.
pat -
Oh, their hair is awful. Does Beckett die his black? And it looks like clumps are missing – iike a black cat that was in a fight.
Oy.
**dye his hair**
Take my advice. They come around like buzzards when they have any chance to brag. They’ve held it in so long well 84 years in a row that it comes out like diahrrhea. Ignore them is the best medicine.
pat,
Does Maddon have a mohawk? It’s barely visible, but I definitely see something in the back.
doreen
One of the patches missing from his head can be found between his lip and his chin.
Maddon going to his late inning reliever in the 5th inning, clearly panicking like this is game 7.
Not really they a day break coming up and are trying to stop the bleeding here. It’s not gonna end 6-5 but they have to hold it here because going down 0-2 to Boston w/ Lester waiting not exactly an advantage.
mel
Don’t know. Most of the team did them. Wouldn’t be surprised if Maddon did it too.
The Rays are sleepwalking, somebody needs to start a brawl.
pat
October 11th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
doreen
One of the patches missing from his head can be found between his lip and his chin.
Yeah i was going to point out that the bad hair award may go to that sad excuse for a goatee. Can’t bash the guy for his post season pitching (given overall performance) but his hair choices? OY!
And Mel you’re right about the announcers and Beckett. ” See that look in his eyes? That’s the I know i’ve given up 5 runs but give me another chance and i’ll take you all home.” Is that a joke? You’d think the guy had a no-no going into the fifth here…
pat -
ha ha!
Beckett has two white goat hairs coming out of his goatee. What an ugly looking sucker he is!
Trade Veras for Bill Hall. He can be our bat off the bench and a guy who can play any poison except catcher he is very versatile and hit 35 HRs 2 years ago.
ray (sox fan)
It isn’t worth replying to those idiots. They are just looking to get a rise out of everyone.
Anyone else think that facially Joba looks identical to Beckett except chubbier? And they both have the hair under the chin and that confident stare.
mel
October 11th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
GB7,
You’re kidding right? Slightly before my time.
I know guys spit. I know players spit. But there’s a lot of spittle flying from the Sox.
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Those 6 that I mentioned would go through a bag and a half of chew every game, according to them. Blanchard used to wrap his in bubble keep it together. The gum was too sweet and the chew was too bitter.
We have never developed a stud like Joba in a long time! He is a rockstar! He already has like 3 commercials and Hal invited him to watch the ASG from his luxury box in the summer. Cashman said when we lost Wang, we replaced him with another ace and he went down! Cashman also guarenteed him a spot in the rotation next year alongside Wang!
He is the face of the organization after Jeter!
looks like a certain demographic of Sarah palin supporters is here tonight and banding together. LOL
6-6
AnyBody But Boston!!!!! Rays tie it up! Let’s force the issue here.
Pena!
X-Mann
October 11th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Trade Veras for Bill Hall. He can be our bat off the bench and a guy who can play any poison except catcher he is very versatile and hit 35 HRs 2 years ago.
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why not just keep Betemit? Hall’s offense and defense isn’t any better than Betemit’s and the Yanks keep Veras.
Auh look at that those little Rays tied the game up again.
Trade Veras for Bill Hall. He can be our bat off the bench and a guy who can play any poison except catcher he is very versatile and hit 35 HRs 2 years ago.
How about for a Jeff Keppinger or a Wiggy or a Greg Dobbs.
So I’m wondering why this running team hasn’t stolen a base before now.
Geeze they’re the fastest on the bases in the majors.
RUN RAYS RUN!!!
Why is Francona so reluctant go to the pen? Delcarmen, Okijima, Masterson etc. are all shut down relievers.
As long as they stay away from Timlin.
Buccaneers 6 Pats 6
Saturn, that was random lol
I agree though, glad to have Joba. If he stays healthy, he will be special, thats a fact.
Why is Francona so reluctant go to the pen? Delcarmen, Okijima, Masterson etc. are all shut down relievers.
Because they aren’t any better than Beckett at his worse.
well isn’t this fun
7-6 rays
The FG is GOOD !!!!!!
Brandon – Reese offered a 6th round pick to KC for Tony Gonzalez, they are still holding out for 3.
You want him?
RUN RAYS RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So much for Beckett’s redemption.
long game.
Longoria is a stud!
John
October 11th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
The Sox just have the never say die mentality.
Amazing how they just continue to win and win. Even when they are down, they rally. So many gutty, gritty role players who are clutch and play with so much passion. 10 pitch ABs, great D etc.
Feels like I’m watching the 98 Yankees
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Those Devil Rays just don’t quit. Real grit. Right, John
This is like game 2 vs. Cleveland last year. Schilling was dealing then the Indians tied it at 6 and ended up scoring 7 runs in the 11th inning. Rally started by Gagne.
Brandon – Reese offered a 6th round pick to KC for Tony Gonzalez, they are still holding out for 3.
You want him?
Tony Gonzalez ? F*** YEH ! I’ve been out all day when did this happen ?
what a game!
Guess bad Beckett did show up tonight.
Nice to see Beckett get rocked.
Longoria IS a stud.
I remain so happy for the team that everyone loved to kick – no not the Sux. The Rays.
HARDEE HAR HAR!!!
Means like Carey and Martinez got their Beckett “look in the eyes” readings mixed up. It was really his “Get me out, Coach.”
I LOVE DA RAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon -
http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/836918.html
Being discussed on most of the giants boards– BBI, giants.com etc.
GO RAYS!
Two pretty good teams here, in all seriousness.
Tampa w/ the 2 pt. conversion
BUCS 8 PATS 6
Means like Carey and Martinez got their Beckett “look in the eyes†readings mixed up. It was really his “Get me out, Coach.â€
TS – you still here?
Longoria a single away from the cycle
in the ALCS.
just wow.
erm…can we trade Arod for him straight up?
work your magic Cashman.
GO RAYS! Bigger lead please!
Trisha
Might be a little premature with the “Hardee Har Har” with the way this game has gone so far.
If Jerry Reese gets that done for a 6th rounder GM of the year this year period. Man I love having Jerry Reese
No matter how this game or series ends up you have to give Tampa Bay credit that they never give up!
They keep scrapping and digging!
I’d trade Hughes for Longoria if I had to.
I am watching the pregame for the last game at Yankee Stadium!! How great was it!!
Arod should do that tennis ball drill, Edgar Martinez use to do it in Seattle to slow down the game and he was one of the most dangerous DHs in the game.
Mike, I’d love to have Longoria. Or Carl Crawford. Or Carlos Pena. Or Aki. Or BJ Upton.
They are a heck of a team no doubt.
“Longoria a single away from the cycle
in the ALCS.”
that wasnt scored a triple..but yea he rocks
I would trade Hank, Hal and Hughes for Longoria
Hold onto this lead TB
pat you may be right about the hardee har and this game. But it just comes natural for me. Anytime the Sux get it taken to them is always a hardee har moment for me. It is in my pinstriped, growing up 40 miles from craptown usa, blood. As long as the Yanks aren’t in it, I live for this!
Yeah Redding, everybody would trade Hughes for Longoria in their sleep. That’s like trading Gardner for Jay Bruce.
Won’t happen though.
jen, I have that on tape too. I loved watching it on tape as much as that night. What a beautiful ceremony that was!
Here is a picture I believe you will all enjoy, compliments of mlb.com
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2008/10/11/fNSfvspX.jpg
SA, Hank and Hughes for Longo? Deal!
Could we package Hank, Hughes, and maybe Levine to SD as well for Peavy?
Are Henry Rodriguez or Carlos Gonzalez attainable this offseason?
Could we package Hank, Hughes, and maybe Levine to SD as well for Peavy?
lol
I say we go for it.
“Here is a picture I believe you will all enjoy, compliments of mlb.com”
That was in the bleachers. Crisp makes himself look stupid chasing them all the time.
trisha
I am burning it from my dvr to a dvd. The program I am using it has to be ‘live’ which is fine, since it is so nice watching it for a second time.
ray (sox fan)
October 11th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
No matter how this game or series ends up you have to give Tampa Bay credit that they never give up!
They keep scrapping and digging!
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You could have made a ton of money betting that a game with Beckett and Kazmir starting would have 8-6 score in the 6th inning.
the rays get the lead and trisha magically appears! COINCIDENCE?
I think Levine has more value than a 3rd person in a deal, IMO.
Kind of like the Santana trade being nixed not because of Hughes but because they didn’t value Jackson/Tabata as 3rd players in deals.
I would give up Afterman or Jenny Steinbrenner as part of the deal for Peavy.
Levine can be packaged with Stick Michael and Veras to get us James Loney.
jack- Um wrong. But I bet if the rays win you’ll magically disappear.
Stick Michael isn’t on the block.
Are Henry Rodriguez or Carlos Gonzalez attainable this offseason?
It’s Billy Beane it would have to be for a player he knows he can sell in the deadline and get back 4-5 young players. If you give him Nady he’ll part w/ a Gonzalez or Sweeney plus a BP option but that’s all he definitely wouldn’t part w/ Henry Rodriguez.
I wouldn’t trade Stick.
Yeah I agree. It’s way too early to give up on Stick. We need to have patience!
But we can afford to part with Felix Lopez the landscaper
I wouldn’t trade Stick.
Stick isn’t going to be our GM in a fantasy world if Stick lands me Loney I love you Stick ! but your going to LA
Brandon
A friend in Atlanta told me the GM there mentioned Nady by name as the type of OF they need to get this year. Not a big follower of the Braves. What could the Yanks get in return? Guessing Chipper Jones to play first base for the Yanks would be asking too much.
I’d give up Lon Trost or Nardi before I give up Stick.
They can have Kevin Long too if they want.
jennifer, thats a big if!
Who the heck is supposed to close this game for the Rays? They’re running out of pitchers.
Chipper can’t stay healthy. One heck of a player. But what good is he if he can’t stay on the field.
I’d trade Nady for Chipper in a heartbeat!
Chipper is a winning player, and another gritty vet that we need.
see what i mean, jennifer.
Oh boy, Jas*n B*y again.
When will managers learn to throw out the book, and manage on feel, or how a pitcher looks. He takes out Howel who did pretty well, and puts in the hamburger Bradford.
jennifer
It would never happen but that’s what those half days off at DH are perfect for- keeping older guys healthier.
I’d give up Lon Trost or Nardi before I give up Stick.
Nardi made Joba into Joba. He stays
A friend in Atlanta told me the GM there mentioned Nady by name as the type of OF they need to get this year. Not a big follower of the Braves. What could the Yanks get in return? Guessing Chipper Jones to play first base for the Yanks would be asking too much.
Chipper is one of Alex’s best friends off the field they know each other since H.S. he is a clutch hitter but dammit it’s the injuries w/ him
I’d assume Edwin Jackson closes tonight.
But we can afford to part with Felix Lopez the landscaper
Oh hell yeah!
A package of Hank, Felix, Veras and maybe a pack of gum(I think Hank might have bad breath) for Loney ?
What about Lonn A. Trost? I wonder who we could get for him…hhhmmm
This game isn’t going to end 8-7
I really need to know if Cashman even inquired about Bay. Has anyone asked him? What were the Pirates asking for him?
Wheeler is the closer.
Why haven’t they drilled Jas*n B*y in the head yet? All regular and post-season long.
Delcarmen, Okijima, Masterson, Papelbon > Bradford, Edwin Jackson, Wheeler
very true pat. I know you were saying it jokingly. But Atlanta would never trade the ‘face’ of their franchise.
Another hit for Bay, driving in the Greatest Second Baseman Ever To Play The Game. Youkilis rocks, too, but Ron Cey was a better third baseman. Also better-looking.
pat
October 11th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Brandon
A friend in Atlanta told me the GM there mentioned Nady by name as the type of OF they need to get this year. Not a big follower of the Braves. What could the Yanks get in return? Guessing Chipper Jones to play first base for the Yanks would be asking too much.
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I’d take Kotchman and a young minor league infielder for Nady.
ghost I am curious about that too.
Thanks jen and you are definitely right on both counts!
One of my posts came when the Sux had taken the lead and I had been on the phone with my niece.
Again, I love how these carpetbagging fools even have the balls to question Yankee fans on a Yankee forum.
Pathetic.
Jason Bay is their version of Abreu.
A winning player who gets clutch hits and is always in the middle of rallies
aardvark-
When is your stand up show? You are so funny, I want more.
Except that “Seanet” the Yankee fan doesn’t use two words on his name.
Good try Sux troll!
What flippin idiots.
I’d take Kotchman and a young minor league infielder for Nady.
That’s not enough.
Mate McLouth is a perfect Yankee Stadium player.
Call PIT and ask what it takes to get him
That was close
HA HA HA HA HA!
Good call ump!
Question, the two ‘balls’ to Bartlett, how close were they to his head? I am on gameday and it looked right at his head.
Good thing there’s an off day coming up. Maddon can burn his pen as much as he needs to.
“This game isn’t going to end 8-7″
im praying for a 27 inning painful back and forth.
trisha -
What are you talking about?
Mate McLouth is a perfect Yankee Stadium player.
Call PIT and ask what it takes to get him
Remember the X and Marte deal ? They aren’t selling him cheap and seriously he’s a career .338 OBP % really prior to this season he was a back up 4th OF.
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 11th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
I’d take Kotchman and a young minor league infielder for Nady.
That’s not enough.
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The AL pitchers have already exploited Nady’s penchant for swinging ang missing at breaking balls and anything low and outside. NYY could find a FA outfielder for less money than what a FA first baseman will cost.
Jen, I am half watching the game as I have to get stuff ready for next week so I am multitasking! Didn’t see those pitches.
A friend in Atlanta told me the GM there mentioned Nady by name as the type of OF they need to get this year. Not a big follower of the Braves. What could the Yanks get in return? Guessing Chipper Jones to play first base for the Yanks would be asking too much.
isn’t Chipper Jones a free agent to be?
Now to see if the Rays can get 9 more outs without giving up any more runs.
Be back.
isn’t Chipper Jones a free agent to be?
Not that I heard of.
Unless Larry Jones wants to leave, he’ll retire as a Brave.
GB you know we can get more than that for Nady.
Brandon -
ok i just checked he isn’t. talk to you guys later. about to lose service on my iphone.
Can we agree that Nady has been exposed in the AL?
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 11th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
GB you know we can get more than that for Nady.
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Not much more than that, Brandon. He’s a .275, 20-23 homer, 80 RBI guy with an adequate glove and little speed. Over a full year, Kotchman can do that.
Nady? Exposed?!
Ever notice that Varitek practically runs back to the dugout after striking out?
Does it take him that long to put on his gear?
SL I’ve been saying that for awhile now people don’t pay attention to it because he fades into the lineup but his swing stands to be exposed in the AL next yr. you can see him become the RH version of Carlos Pena.
“isn’t Chipper Jones a free agent to be?”
My friend told me last year of contract and it’s a club option for 2009.
Nady will make the adjustments needed next year.
Uh-oh. Ellsbury up, two outs, and TGSBETPTG on deck.
Not much more than that, Brandon. He’s a .275, 20-23 homer, 80 RBI guy with an adequate glove and little speed. Over a full year, Kotchman can do that.
GB IDK I’d say dangle him to Billy Beane and see if he draws back better prospects than Kotchman not saying I wouldn’t want Kotchman but I’m betting we can get better players for X.
Hey Ray,
Sorry to bum you out…I post now and again…and this really is me…read your other post…ok, so maybe I was too quick to troll…Enjoy the series, us Yankee fans are just watching from the sidelines…
mel
October 11th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Nady? Exposed?!
Ever notice that Varitek practically runs back to the dugout after striking out?
Does it take him that long to put on his gear?
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Calm down, Mel You’re going to melt your laptop. I believe it was just a phase….at least, I hope so. You ladies couldn’t survive that.
Nady will make the adjustments needed next year.
Cleo ? What makes you say that ? He hasn’t been a player that takes many pitches in his career, he chases high fastballs and a low breaking pitches, add a swing that needs to be shortened IDK about adjustments coming for him.
No problem Noreaster.
Jesus Christ we’re not even in the 8th inning yet !
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 11th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Not much more than that, Brandon. He’s a .275, 20-23 homer, 80 RBI guy with an adequate glove and little speed. Over a full year, Kotchman can do that.
GB IDK I’d say dangle him to Billy Beane and see if he draws back better prospects than Kotchman not saying I wouldn’t want Kotchman but I’m betting we can get better players for X.
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The Oakland ballpark would eat him up. I can’t picture him as the type to carry an offense.
Something’s been bugging me. Wasn’t Frank Torre an emmployee of the Yankees at one time? Or didn’t they support Joe when Frank had the serious illness?
Don’t get the Cleo joke. Still confident in Nady.
The Oakland ballpark would eat him up. I can’t picture him as the type to carry an offense.
Your talking about a player that can hit it to death valley I doubt OAK eats him up I’d think Beane would do it to spin him off by the trade deadline later in the yr. but would you spin him to Oak for a Ryan Sweeney plus a young BP arm ?
I shop Nady for a young high upside player like Carlos Gonzalez, Saltalamachia, Andre Ethier, etc.
Don’t get the Cleo joke. Still confident in Nady.
You see the future that good. I’m not that confident in Nady especially w/ him being FA after this season it makes no sense not to dangle him to a team.
mel
October 11th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Something’s been bugging me. Wasn’t Frank Torre an emmployee of the Yankees at one time? Or didn’t they support Joe when Frank had the serious illness?
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Frank Torre’s never been connected to the Yanks except through Joe Torre. They backe up J. Torre as they have a lot of people when Frank Yorre had the heat transplant, but, that’s all they were expected to do.
I shop Nady for a young high upside player like Carlos Gonzalez, Saltalamachia, Andre Ethier, etc.
Gonzalez, Sweeney, Ethier (since Torre loves vets), I’d try to get more than Salty that’s not enough.
***They backed up J. Torre as they have a lot of people when Frank Torre had the ***
Okay, now I get the Cleo joke. Funny!
ALL the vets should be on the block this off-season– Nady, Matsui, Damon, and all the relievers.
Time to get younger and build for the future. We need players who play good D too… Nady is NOT right fielder.
mel
Frank had a heart transplant in 1996 and a kidney transplant a few years ago too.
You can get Salty for Kennedy, you don’t need to waste Nady on him.
Texas needs pitching anyway, so they might overvalue Kennedy.
GB7,
I just remember that Joe was grateful to the Yankees about something regarding Frank Torre. Was thinking it was kind of odd that Frank would go off like he has. He and Don seem bitter on Joe’s behalf. Wonder if they should take a page out of Joe’s book? It’s not really a good idea to burn bridges IMO.
first priority is to trade matsui for some pitching
trade him to a team who needs a bat. we could have gotten jonathan sanchez last winter, we totally botched that.
If I was a betting man I would bet that if Boston doesn’t score here in the 8th with these hitters than Tampa Bay will win this one.
agreed. Nady’s a lot of things. But a RF he is not.
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 11th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
The Oakland ballpark would eat him up. I can’t picture him as the type to carry an offense.
Your talking about a player that can hit it to death valley I doubt OAK eats him up I’d think Beane would do it to spin him off by the trade deadline later in the yr. but would you spin him to Oak for a Ryan Sweeney plus a young BP arm ?
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Nady’s a FA at the end of the year and will be getting a healthy paycheck. That’s going to cut down on what NYY can get in return.
No, NYY’s immediate needs on defense/offense is a first baseman and I’m not that impressed with Sweeney. He’s a good young player, but, he’s not an immediate need right now.
Steve, unless Cashman was blowing smoke, Sui is going nowhere but back to the Bronx. He said he wants him as DH next season.
Nady can play RF but he’s not a great fielder, 1 – 5, 1 being the best I’d rate him a 4. A guy like Ryan Sweeney or Carlos Gonzalez are around 2 or 3. If they can get a fielder like one of those and w/ them being young adds more to the future especially w/ them being cost controlled. I wonder if Beane would take Matsui ? or would the Dodgers take him ? With all that said this offseason the grey beards need to be auctioned off.
Sather what’s w/ that tie
There is no loyalty in sports. Mattingly lashing out against us is proof of that. He is a Dodger now and a Torre groupie. Pinstripes are nothing but the past for him.
As far as Frank goes, Hank dug his own grave with those “Dodgers wouldn’t have won in the AL” comments. He is now just gloating on Torre’s behalf.
NITRO – you’re right there is no loyalty in sports. I think that went out with the advent of free agency.
mel
October 11th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
GB7,
I just remember that Joe was grateful to the Yankees about something regarding Frank Torre. Was thinking it was kind of odd that Frank would go off like he has. He and Don seem bitter on Joe’s behalf. Wonder if they should take a page out of Joe’s book? It’s not really a good idea to burn bridges IMO.
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Not sur if Steinbrenner gave a WS ring to Frank Torre or not, but, Frank has alwys been overly protective of Joe. They came from a home with an abusive father and apparently, Joe was the prime target.
pardon the typs. something is caught under the keys on the keyboard.
mel
Don Zimmer’s comments the last few years have made Frank Torre’s comments seem complimentary. There’s an untold story there somewhere. Mel Stottlemyre took the high road on his way out of town too but Jim Kaat made a couple of in game references that made me think there were hard feelings there too.
It is like sending in the clowns, with every pitcher that comes out of the pen.
youk!!!
jen, what a tribute to the Rays that they’ve done the entire postseason – and more – without their closer.
Oh my aching back.
Crap
ewwwwwwwwwwww…
pathetic
pat
October 11th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
mel
Don Zimmer’s comments the last few years have made Frank Torre’s comments seem complimentary. There’s an untold story there somewhere. Mel Stottlemyre took the high road on his way out of town too but Jim Kaat made a couple of in game references that made me think there were hard feelings there too.
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The deal between Stottlemyre and sateinbrenner goes back more than 20 years. When Stottlemyre had the rotator cuff tear in 1974, Steinbrenner told him to take as much time as needed to recover, and if he couldn’t come back, he always had a job with the Yanks. When Stottlemyre wasn’t ready by the spring of 1975, Steinbrenner said they couldn’t wait for him and released him. He was told that there were no spots as a coach because they were filled.
Well there goes their lead, good thing the soxs pen doesn’t seem to be that good either.
As TGSBETPTG scores the tying run.
***Stottlemyre and Steinbrenner***
The Ray’s closer Percival actually pitched in 50 games this year even though he was injured some, and had over 30 saves.
jen I would say you have to have a strong stomach to be a manager. Do you remember how Francona would sit there rocking whenever the Sux played at the Stadium and ended up in a NY hospital with chest pains after one Yankee series?
It’s a wonder they even sleep after some of these games! If they do, that is.
but it is true that he has not pitched in the postseason.
Why isin’t Price pitching? He is better than any of these clowns.
Shut up Mr. Cellophane!
They have to have an iron stomach. It made me ill this year to watch some of the Yankee games. No wonder Joe snapped at some of the questions he was asked this year!!
is it too late to lend the Rays Joba and Mo for a series?
NITRO no idea. Maybe because he’s been without Percival’s services for so long he has gotten used to using Wheeler? He may not want to “take chances” at this point.
Heard a crazy stat about YS and WS. Of the 84 WS played since Yankee Stadium opened. 37 were played at YS! That is AlMOST HALF!! CRAZY!!!
“They have to have an iron stomach. It made me ill this year to watch some of the Yankee games. No wonder Joe snapped at some of the questions he was asked this year!!”
No question.
“Of the 84 WS played since Yankee Stadium opened. 37 were played at YS! That is AlMOST HALF!! CRAZY!!!”
So sweet.
3 scoreless innings so far. Who said the S*x don’t have a good bullpen ?
Now Wheeler the noncloser needs to be a magician…
Trisha – You sae Frank Torre’s comments right?
I’m sure you loved them
AJ I didn’t really get to read them. I saw people refer to them though. I’m not really sure what he had to say.
I also predicted before that K*tsay would have a couple of game-winning hits. Surprise that haven’t happended yet.
Now why didn’t Wheeler do that last inning!
Damn you BJ
Not that, mind you.
Will we see Masters*n or Pimplebutt ?
Wheeler will go 3 innings if need be.
Come on Wheeler dammit. Focus. One more out (for now anyway).
Looks like ER has a problem typing vowels in players names. What is up with that?
VEWY VEWY WOVEWY!!!!!
Hank’s a piss-ant. Even when George was a big SOB, with the Howard Spira stuff, and running the team into the ground in the late 80’s. At least George had brought the Yankees two world championships. Hank has done nothing in the world, or in baseball, except being the son of a wealthy man.
What is Wheeler doing with the ball in his glove right before his delivery?
If Wheeler didn’t throw a WP in the 8th, this game would be over.
jen, do you also have a tape of the Yanks last game?
vtred no question.
Ellsbury’s been a black hole this game. Once again leaves TGSBETPTG in the on-deck circle. Now Mastodon will cough it up.
Come on walk-off anything!
Bill Madden is an awful in-game manager
get him home somehow
Pedroia must have tripped on a worm.
Jose
October 12th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Bill Madden is an awful in-game manager
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He’s a lousy writer, too.
GB7
That was cold….but I will admit funny!
Hmmm, interesting move with Papsmear coming in at this point.
ray (sox fan)
October 12th, 2008 at 12:32 am
GB7
That was cold….but I will admit funny!
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Thanks, Ray. My nightclub act will be playing in Boston next week. Stop by and I’ll let you buy me a beer or 10.
Shut up Mr Cellophane!
Hey, even Rogers Hornsby didn’t get to everything.
trisha sent you an email.
Okay a walk off anything against Papelbon would even be better!
Now is as good a time as any for that little streak to be broken.
That was funny
The TB crowd is quiet
“It’s like they are waiting for Carlos to putt the ball”
jen, just responded
Damn. That was probably the game.
bonus cantos!!
So now the dancing fruitcake is available for a few innings. Rays can’t trot Wheeler out there much longer. Maybe Maddon goes with Edwin Jackson.
Smart move by Francona. Tampa has pretty much nobody in their pen except Price and Jackson. They can score in the 10th or even 11th if they hold them here, and still win.
The chances of them scoring off Papelbon was far less than the chance of the Sox scoring off Edwin Jackson. You have to manage like that in the playoffs, especially when there is a day off tomorrow.
Just like Maddon bringing in Wheeler in for 6 outs.
Tampa just doesn’t have a championship bullpen. Can’t expect to win with Wheeler going 3 innings.
rconn and that’s their story for the entire postseason without Percival.
I say this game will finally end at 1:23AM EST
S.A. this game is endless!
It’s a lot more fun watching this kind of game when your dog isn’t in the hunt. I’d be puking right now if it was the Yanks.
What a PHENOMENAL job by Wheeler.
By the way, he’s from RI!
It’s Evan Almighty time!
Upton made that waaaaay too interestin.
That ball didn’t take off on him he just tried to non chalant it. That was a Willie Mays/Rickey Henderson act BJ tried on that LD.
Gutsy performance by Wheeler.
But a total panic move to use him 3 innings in game 2. He is a 1 inning reliever.
But if they win, its worth it.
Longoria is so not clutch!!!
This is do or die for them. Yeah I know if the soxs win, they will only be up 2-0. But for a young inexperienced team, it is like being down 3-0
Jackson – 0-4, 2 Ks now hitting a team worst .176
Wheeler was outstanding
Dear Baseball gods,
Please let the rays somehow score a run here.
Love,
All of us
Does Wheeler go 4 innings. Maybe.
Take a pitch why don’t you evan?!
E-Long
Jackson – 0-4, 2 Ks now hitting a team worst .176
Dude relax. He had sac flies and a 3 run triple a few days ago step away from the computer keyboard.
I use Wheeler for a 4th inning before I use Edwin Jackson.
ouch …
What time did the game begin?
Saturn,
Jackson is extremely overrated on this board. Penciling him in as the future CF of the Yankees for the next 10 years is extremely premature.
He is a nice, solid player. Strikes out way too much, doesn’t have great power or speed. He’s a jack of all trades guy. Does most things well, nothing great.
If you expected him to be Maybin/Fowler/Kemp etc. you set your expectations way too high.
Sheer luck.
8pm
You have to expect his arm to go numb after that one how can you not bring the trainer there.
Every heart (if they have any) in Boston just stoped.
8:07
I believe the game started 8:07pm
Onwards to the 11th.
God I hate seeing the Sux win.
Hold them please, then score in the 11th.
the game is still going on? are you kidding me?
Every heart (if they have any) in Boston just ***stopped.***
Papelbon only at 18 pitches, he’s good for another inning.
Who else does Boston have in their pen? Byrd?
The Rays have really played their hearts out and certainly kept up with the Sux.
Hopefully the baseball gods will reward them.
Poor Wheeler. But what do you do? It’s the postseason and all bets are off.
Jackson doesn’t have speed? Is that 100% wrong?
Who pitches the bottom of the inning, whether or not the soxs take the lead?
Jackson is extremely overrated on this board. Penciling him in as the future CF of the Yankees for the next 10 years is extremely premature.
Apparently you didn’t see him in the AA playoffs this year, it’s amazing scouts, and players on other teams have coined him “Superman” when he makes his catches, the striking out has to do w/ a learning curve, he’s only 21 yrs. old, my god why is it that Yankee fans specifically Yankee fans can’t let prospects develope.
Clint
October 12th, 2008 at 1:03 am
“Papelbon only at 18 pitches, he’s good for another inning.
Who else does Boston have in their pen? Byrd?”
I’m not sure who else, but the mighty Timlin is still in the pen. I shudder.
What BS. They game is ti in the 11th inning,but, only the Red Sox are relentless.
Ouch 4th inning. They might have to stick his arm in a container of ice after this game.
Wheeler is at 38 pitches. Maddon blew this game just like he did the first one.
*** game is tied in the***
GB can you give me an answer to the question I posted at 1:05 AM.
harwood-
In case you haven’t noticed the game is still going on.
Jackson has 15-20 SB speed. He isin’t Rollins, Halney Ramirez, Crawford, Sizemore etc. quick.
He has Bernie speed. He is an excellent fielder however.
One couldn’t ask anymore from Wheeler.
Left Wheeler in too long. He look tired. Come on kid.
Is Maddon trying to kill his closer? 4 innings? In game 2? This is madness. I can understand if this was his last pitcher available, but he still has Price/Jackson there.
Looks like he won’t be available until game 5.
aren’t the Rays glad tomorrow is an off day.
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 12th, 2008 at 1:08 am
GB can you give me an answer to the question I posted at 1:05 AM.
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I’ll answer with whatever I know Brandon, but, only saw a statement at 1:05 AM about Jackson.
Okay this is insane. You put a kid in a do or die game, with the score tied, and a runner on. Someone check Maddons head, see if there is a brain in there?!
ray your a decent Red Sox fan how did your fan base handle believing in young players at first ? Was it like NYY fans, did they always criticize them at first, what forced the change in thinking over there ?
I’m not sure exactly why, but Jed Lowrie seems to induce more three ball counts than Rickey Henderson in his prime. And here is David Price.
jennifer –
dont you know Maddon doesn’t trust Jackson enough to put him in this situation right now? Price has the advantage at least.
Postseason legend Josh Beckett is the weak link.
But is Price pitching with a broken heart after today?
I remember we had to use Proctor for 3 innings in that game in San Francisco, even though he was used in 4 of the previous 5 games.
He threw 50+ pitches in 2.2 innings and ended up giving up a one hopper to Vizquel.
Heilman did the same thing with the Mets, threw 60 something pitches in 4 innings against STL and was never the same the rest of the season.
Redding
October 12th, 2008 at 1:08 am
Jackson has 15-20 SB speed. He isin’t Rollins, Halney Ramirez, Crawford, Sizemore etc. quick.
He has Bernie speed. He is an excellent fielder however.
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He’s not blinding fast. but, he stole 30+ bases at two levels in 2007. If he hits and when he learns the pitchers, he can steal 30 bases in most seasons.
It’s about to be 10 BB
Looks like he made a great choice so far. He was no where near the zone. good job maddon.
He needs to get away from the slider for a moment. Go with the heat.
Holy crap he’s gonna choke it up soon.
Ugh. This will not end well.
This all makes me so happy we have Girardi.
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 12th, 2008 at 1:11 am
“ray your a decent Red Sox fan how did your fan base handle believing in young players at first ? Was it like NYY fans, did they always criticize them at first, what forced the change in thinking over there ?”
Brandon, I think in some respects you have giving Sox fans too much credit.
I remember Pedroia’s first full year he started out very slow the first couple months and there was a ton of criticism directed his way. A lot of people wanted to replace him with Alex Cora.
There is probably a fair amount of criticism towards the younger guys that you just don’t hear about with the Sox.
The other element is that I have to admit that some of the Sox guys have been a bit lucky.
OH I’d be pissed if I’m Kotsay !
Bad call. But who cares?
Now I think the Rays will make something happen.
Man they have some sweet pitching.
That was an amazing job by a rookie. He looked a little rattled in the beginning, but he got the job done.
Now the Rays have… leverage.
Nick,
HA!
Crap…Timlin.
Chalk up a Tampa Bay win right now!
do it right now.
Timlin!! YEAHH!!!
Not Timlin …
timlin in…game ovah!
Timland?!
Actually I take nothing for granted but thought that Papsmear was coming back in. I figured Navaro could do some damage against him. I’ll take the Rays ending the game against anyone they can end it against!
GO RAYS!
Game over in 5 mins.
i think the rays win it here
Ray, Boston made make on Lugo with that big contract. Cora probably should have been starting at shortstop two years ago. At best, Lugo could be the backup until somebody else me along. This is no second guess, because I thought the same thing two years ago when Lugo drove in over 70 and hit about .280.
Actually I wish it were anyone but Timlin just because I think he’s probably one of the few decent guys on the team.
But a W is a W right.
***Ray, Boston made a huge mistake on Lugo***
um….when price pitched that to Kotsay it was a strike.
Same spot Price hit but the ump wants to get laid tonight.
I wonder who the Rays have as a backup catcher. I hope we don’t have to find out!
ray I know ..trust me ..we see it
3-0
don’t swing
Madden will green light him
Their backup catcher will probably be Edwin Jackson.
sox are getting ripped off by ump
ok. don’t blow it now
ball 4!!!
I would say don’t bunt. They will walk the bases loaded and look for the dp.
trisha – RAYS IN 3! (yes I know it’s a 7 game series…)
October 12th, 2008 at 1:26 am
I wonder who the Rays have as a backup catcher. I hope we don’t have to find out!
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Michel Hernandez
Poor Timlin, seriously. He’s been there done that a lot of times.
I wonder why he didn’t throw the Smear back out there. Tomorrow is an off day.
They just keep Timlim around for sentiment, right?
He’s the last link to that 1918 World Series team.
Fake the bunt and steal 3rd!
“sox are getting ripped off by ump”
they really are.
Yes…bunt!!!
shallow fly out
ground out
strike out swinging
Ferrell saw it was a strike I don’t blame him but the ump wants to get some tonight sorry ray
bunt ?
Great, Timlin is up. Looks like this will be decided soon.
Joe Buck has an excellent voice for announcing. It’s his commentary that is his downfall.
hmm Zobrist looks like he was safe..
Well it wasn’t a bunt, chopper to third. Got the runners over anyway.
Now they will walk the bases loaded.
Wow. Just wow.
Jen, I guess ER’s mom put him to bed.
Great call to send the runners.
ok nVm, he was out..
And he did swing on the pitch before, this a straight up middle finger by the crew, they are going to make sure this is the last inning.
UGH my ears, shut off that crowd mic, the idiot with the cow bell is right near it!
Looks like all the idiots from the asylum had to go to bed. Thankfully.
When ER types Jason Bay, why does he use asteriks to replace the letter o in Jason and a in Bay?
Come on Iwamura. A sac fly would do it!
does Upton dare to do the suicide squeeze?
the umpiring this year has been pathetic.
This is one of those situations where you just figure the guy should be able to hit it in the air into the outfield!
PLEASE UPTON. PLEASE. Do something man.
Can we loan them Jason?
Fortonoso, probably just hoping someone will ask him why he does it. A ploy for attention, like everything else he says and does here.
BJ I’ll kill you if it’s not a sac fly.
Rays won!!!
Just hit the ball into the outfield…something.
Oh thank god!! I can’t believe I am cheering for them!!
Paplesux is a coward.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANKY OU TIMLIN
You done good, Timlin. You done good.
Congrats to Tampa Bay.
On to Boston to face Jon Lester.
Notice all the shiny new t-shirts the fans have on there? Can you say Bandwagon?
Damon Sublett is 1-2 with a single and an RBI in the Hawaiian League. He’s now hitting .308 with 7 RBI at bats.
Well this place should be safe for a day or so.
GB is that Chipper Jr. ?
***in 26 at bats***
Jen, they really are good guys. You gotta love em.
I LOVE YOU RAYS! ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL.
Night all. Very sweet dreams!
finally
hmm, from the replay, Kotsay could had relay it.
Now we get to hear expert analysis from John Kruk and Fernando Vina
I only like the rays until they make the WS, Than it is go phillies!!
Better facing Lester 1-1 instead of 2-0. Now it’s not a must win game.
“Well this place should be safe for a day or so.”
Gutsy gutsy performance by the Rays. No quit in them.
GOOD ON YA RAYS.
Kudos to Dan Wheeler and Price.
timlin has been in the game for 20 years and gets squeezed by the ump. price has been in the game for 10 innings and gets a critical call outside of the zone. mlb wants 7 games. make money money…make money money money!
LETS BREAK UP THE RED SOX/DODGERS WS!!!
GO PHILLIES!!
GO RAYS!!!
Do we have Timlin on our payroll?
Uh oh, looks like I was wrong. here is one to cry about the umps.
A note to jack.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
timlin has been in the game for 20 years and gets squeezed by the ump. price has been in the game for 10 innings and gets a critical call outside of the zone.
More like umpire has a groupie waiting at his hotel room and tomorrow is a day off
Gutsy performance by Wheeler and Beckett tonight. Both pitching when they shouldn’t have been.
I betcha Jas*n B*y would have made that relay throw:)
Doubtful that many players are going to be better than Larry Jone, but, Sublett can hit, has some power and steals bases. Not a bad defensive 2nd baseman, but, he’s got some work to do.
Yonder Alonzo knocked him in with a homer, not that it matters. He’s not a Yankee….yet.
jen, the funniest thing of all is that the loser Sux pitching coach argues a call that was actually a strike and gets tossed!
Hey, does beckett get to pitch another game in this series? Hope so!
Night all.
Watching the highlights right now, was Beckett really low 90s today? No wonder he got shelled. Glad to see his postseason ERA skyrocket.
“I betcha Jas*n B*y would have made that relay throw:)”
LMAO!!!!!
Sublett could be our replacement for Cano if we trade him for pitching
trisha, farrell was arguing about the pitch before.
i was actually impressed with beckett tonight, he showed a lot of guts. gave his team a chance to win, thats all you can ask for.
Saturn
October 12th, 2008 at 1:47 am
Sublett could be our replacement for Cano if we trade him for pitching
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Cano is going nowhere anytime soon. Sublett may move to the outfield, depending on everyone’s progress.
Sublett could be our replacement for Cano if we trade him for pitching
He’s hasn’t even been assigned to AA yet. Again Robi is not as bad as people here are making him out to be.
Love these postgame press conferences! I’m psyched!!!!!
Anyone else notice how mature the Rays players are for such young guys? Nothing like that monster Fat Sloppy who almost crushes players when the Sux win a game, jumping up and down and causing the seismic meter to register a 5!
Sublett could be our replacement for Cano if we trade him for pitching
no he wont. he still needs seasoning.
“i was actually impressed with beckett tonight, he showed a lot of guts. gave his team a chance to win, thats all you can ask for.”
This is a joke, right?
GB since you’ve watched Damon upclose who does he remind you of ?
aardvark
October 12th, 2008 at 1:50 am
i was actually impressed with beckett tonight, he showed a lot of guts. gave his team a chance to win, thats all you can ask for.
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Yeah….no doubt. Give me a pitcher that holds the opposing offense only 8 runs in a game. Really kept Boston in the game.
raymagnetic I think aardvark is a Sux fan since he is always complimentary of everything Sux is appears.
Beckett did a good job if you think 8 ER is a good thing!
He’s hasn’t even been assigned to AA yet. Again Robi is not as bad as people here are making him out to be.
Brandon -
Cano just have an off year in his “junior” year and yet, everyone jump on him because of the off year.
i’m not a sox troll… i just think beckett pitched well tonight
i’m allowed to have an opinon
Ed – looking forward to 2009
October 12th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Sublett could be our replacement for Cano if we trade him for pitching
no he wont. he still needs seasoning.
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Some salt, pepper and oregano works well to spice up the players.
Sorry, Ed, it was too difficult to let it pass.
“Notice all the shiny new t-shirts the fans have on there? Can you say Bandwagon?”
Does it matter if they’re bandwagon fans? At least people are starting to care about the team. They’re still a very young franchise if they stay competitive and don’t pull a Florida Marlin type firesale they’ll get fans which is good for baseball.
I don’t get all the critism for Tampa Bay’s so called bandwagon fans.
How else are they supposed to gain fans? When a team is good you expect them to get fans. I see nothing wrong with it. There are a TON of Yankee and Red Sox bandwagon fans.
Ardvark–
You wouldn’t happen to he the publicist for Ian Kennedy, would you?
one of the things im looking forward to most next year is how robbie plays..his new stance+girardi hopefully staying on him=new robbie…its gonna be interesting…breakout year for robbie cano..doncha know!!!!
Some salt, pepper and oregano works well to spice up the players.
Sorry, Ed, it was too difficult to let it pass.
Gb 7 -
LOL, you just made me laughed out really loud in my room.
“i’m not a sox troll… i just think beckett pitched well tonight
i’m allowed to have an opinon”
No doubt, you are certainly allowed to have an opinion. I just don’t believe that Beckett pitched well. Giving up 6 runs or whatever he gave up in 5 innings is not pitching well at all.
i’m not a sox troll… i just think beckett pitched well tonight
a quality start is when you give up 3 or less runs through out the whole game.
GB7
Your thoughts
I’m lobbying for Sublett for RF. He was a reliever in college so he should have a strong arm. Valid yes, no.
“You wouldn’t happen to he the publicist for Ian Kennedy, would you?”
Time to watch The Soup! Almost as funny as the comments here.
“I don’t get all the critism for Tampa Bay’s so called bandwagon fans.”
Really. Guess some people didn’t look around when (or if) they were at the Stadium the last 4 or 5 or 10 years.
The beloved 1996 Yankees finished SEVENTH in the AL in attendance. didnt lead league until after 4 world series victories.
raymagnetic, actually it was 8 runs he gave up, but who’s counting!
Comparions of minor leaguers to major leaguers
Colin curtis = Nady/Ryan Church
Miranda = Justin Morneau
Jackson = Mike Cameron
Chris Russo = Aki Iwamora
Sublett = Chase Utley
Romine = Pudge
Laird = Giambi
Montero = Miguel Cabrera
Peliterri – Lo Duca
Bradley Suttle – Eric Chavez
Angelini = Pedroia
Corona = Ellsbury
Edwar Gonzalez = Jason Werth
What happened? I left in the top of the 8th, 2 on, 0 outs.
Was it a wacky game? And how did Timlin end up the last guy out of the pen? And what was he doing on the ALCS roster?
“Comparions of minor leaguers to major leaguers
Colin curtis = Nady/Ryan Church
Miranda = Justin Morneau
Jackson = Mike Cameron
Chris Russo = Aki Iwamora
Sublett = Chase Utley
Romine = Pudge
Laird = Giambi
Montero = Miguel Cabrera
Peliterri – Lo Duca
Bradley Suttle – Eric Chavez
Angelini = Pedroia
Corona = Ellsbury
Edwar Gonzalez = Jason Werth”
Mr. Cashman we believe you. Now go tell that Tampa. See what you can get done.
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 12th, 2008 at 1:52 am
GB since you’ve watched Damon upclose who does he remind you of ?
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Brandon, it’s hard to say who he reminds me of. He bats left handed, but, he’s taller than most 2nd basemen at 6′1″. As a batter, though, maybe a Lou whittaker type.
Pitcher comparison major leager minor leaguer
Betances = Wang
McAllister = Freddy Garcia
Garcia = John Lackey
Brackman = Daniel Cabrera
Ivan Nova = Odalis Perez
Heredia = Scott Shields (as a starter)
Bleich = Kennedy
Marshall = Rich Harden
Kontos = Jeremy Guthrie
De La Rosa = Jon Lester
Ed – looking forward to 2009
October 12th, 2008 at 1:57 am
Some salt, pepper and oregano works well to spice up the players.
Sorry, Ed, it was too difficult to let it pass.
Gb 7 -
LOL, you just made me laughed out really loud in my room.
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Sorry Ed. Hope you weren’t drinking chocolate milk at the keyboard. Get it before it sours.
Bo knows
October 12th, 2008 at 2:03 am
GB7
Your thoughts
I’m lobbying for Sublett for RF. He was a reliever in college so he should have a strong arm. Valid yes, no.
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Left field may be better, but, he’s not going to be hitting 25-30 homers a year.
Betances = Wang
??? Explain …
mel,
Crazy game. Francona brought in Papelbon in the 9th to face Pena with a man on 2 outs, got out of it. He pitched the 10th as well. Francona used Masterson for only 2 outs in the 9th, Okijima pitched the 8th.
The real drama was Wheeler. Maddon lost his mind, he had Wheeler throw 3 innings and then brought him out to start a 4th inning! This is his closer! He ended up throwing 48 pitches and left with a man on in the 11th. Price came in and had no control, walked a couple guys, then got out of it.
Timlin and Byrd were the only guys left in the 11th
LOL
Betances = Wang?
How in the hell did you get that comparison? The rest of your list is pretty accurate but this one is just off the wall.
Aside from Kennedy, I don’t think you could find a worse comparison for Betances than Wang.
Sorry Ed. Hope you weren’t drinking chocolate milk at the keyboard. Get it before it sours.
GB 7 -
LOL, nahs…I was drinking a Red Bull while reading it.
Montero = Miguel Cabrera
I think I would compare him to David Ortiz instead.
or Manny Ramirez.
Josh Beckett doesn’t traffic in your so-called quality starts.
He rolls with Greatest Postseason Pitcher of All Time starts.
Miranda = Justin Morneau
no, Scott Hatteberg would be the best comparison.
“Chris Russo = Aki Iwamora”
I know he sucks at doing radio, but don’t you think Mad Dog is a little too old to be playing baseball?
Ed – looking forward to 2009
October 12th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Sorry Ed. Hope you weren’t drinking chocolate milk at the keyboard. Get it before it sours.
GB 7 -
LOL, nahs…I was drinking a Red Bull while reading it.
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That’s going to make for a very nervous keyboard, Ed. How can you drink that stuff at 2 AM?
GB 7 -
I got to pull a all nighter. Got like 5 computers to fix by tomorrow at 10.
LOL he meant Kevin Russo
Yank maybe you should yank it more often, some of those comps are out to there.
Angelini Pedroia huh? Other than they’re IF
Corona Ellsbury What? Not even close.
Jose
October 12th, 2008 at 2:24 am
“Chris Russo = Aki Iwamoraâ€
I know he sucks at doing radio, but don’t you think Mad Dog is a little too old to be playing baseball?
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You mean like “Bill Madden” being a bad in game manager? You may want to check yourself before correcting others.
update….
AZ,
Thanks. Sounded wild. I walked into see the highlights on espnews. And I was holding my breath until I see Timlin with the bases loaded and knew Tampa had won it.
Josh Beckett is a good pitcher, but he did NOT pitch well tonight. There is nobody in the western hemisphere that will agree with that.
IMO he has an injury that he’s hiding. When he came off the field, he calmly took his hat off, put it in his glove, and pulled on his jacket. Was waiting for the fit, but it never came. I think the Sox were just going to take what they could from him. But they left him out there way too long.
Yank1 how many shots and what brand of Patron mix.
Yank1
October 12th, 2008 at 2:14 am
Pitcher comparison major leager minor leaguer
Betances = Wang
McAllister = Freddy Garcia
Garcia = John Lackey
Brackman = Daniel Cabrera
Ivan Nova = Odalis Perez
Heredia = Scott Shields (as a starter)
Bleich = Kennedy
Marshall = Rich Harden
Kontos = Jeremy Guthrie
De La Rosa = Jon Lester
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These lists are pathetic. If you’ve seen any of them play, I’d be surprised. Not one of them is close. Comparing batting/pitching styles is one thing, but, come on. You’re full of BS. Trolling late tonight, huh?
Damon Sublett is now 3-4 with 2 singles and a homer. 2 RBI and 2 runs scored.
Brandon -
ever tried the coffee patron?
Ed it keeps you hype and peppy.
Brandom -
I tried but didnt like it one bit. if I was going drink that, I rather drink Baileys. lol
So Sublett looks like he could hit. Just what we need another 2B. I still say move him to the OF, if he can hit HR in Hawaii, he can hit them on the mainland.
Round 7: Sublett, Damon – Wichita St U — 2B — L/R — 6′01″ 190 — 1985-09-22 – JR
2007 Stats: .364/.470/.510 – 48/39 BB/K – 5 HR — 4.91 ERA – 3.2 IP – 1 H – 4 BB – 6 K
2006 Stats: .394/.500/.642 – 31/34 BB/K – 10 HR — 0.00 ERA – 12.1 IP – 5 H – 10 BB – 23 K – 0 HR
BA: Sublett had starred as a two-way player, though the majority of scouts liked him better as a righthanded pitcher than as a second baseman coming into 2007. He had a herky-jerky delivery, but it produced a 91-93 mph fastball and a hard curveball. Throw in his tenacity, and in his first two seasons at Wichita State, Sublett pitched 32 innings without allowing a run while also racking up 54 strikeouts. He reminded some Missouri Valley Conference observers of Shaun Marcum, a star closer/infielder at Missouri State before reaching the majors as a pitcher with the Blue Jays. But Sublett has made just five pitching appearances totaling four innings this spring. He fell on ice and strained his back early in the season, followed by a strained knee ligament, shoulder tightness and a strained hamstring.
Sublett, who played through a broken hamate bone in his right wrist and mononucleosis last year, has been able to play regularly at second base. As with his pitching, he doesn’t always look pretty, but he more than gets the job done offensively and defensively. His swing isn’t textbook, but he projects as an offensive second baseman with decent pop and plus speed. He also has has soft hands on defense. Sublett is more likely to get picked as a second baseman than a righthander after this spring.
Joel Sherman’s column in the Post today suggests Cashman will not dabble in the free agency marketplace to fill the first base and centerfield positions but will focus on trades (utilizing pitching prospects) and the present roster; free agency, so Sherman opines will be the marketplace for pitching needs.This appears somewhat consistent with Cashman’s sporadic comments during the past few weeks. On the other hand, the bluster from Tampa states load and clear that the “vault is open” for any and all needs”—classic Boss rantings. Is this inconsistent? Did the left hand know what the right hand was saying/suggesting? Cashman presumably closes the door to Boros and his position free agents whereas Hank openly greets Mr. B….he “winks” and says come directly to me…classic Boss style!!
Don’t rule out any free agency signing, position player or otherwise, irrespective of what the NY press, or the national pundits, might suggest. They typically don’t get it right. The Santana situation sticks in Hank’s craw and he won’t let Cashman forget it. I don’t believe for one moment that Hank has less influence than Hal; Hal’s “presence” and Hank’s physical absence was for media consumption.
The red carpet will be rolled out for Boros in Tampa.
Can Hal and Jessica Swindal send Hank back to Ocala? Before, I was on the line as to whether I was comfortable Hankenstein’s reign but now he appears to be a detriment to I’m really worried about this team if the owner refers to his employees as “piss-ants.” How is the front office going to make the proper decisions on players and how the coaches and players on the field going to perform if upper management publicly throws them under the bus? On top of that, talk of “pushing hard” for free agents doesn’t do much except add a few more dollars to Scott Boras’ commission. Hal, Cashman, and Stick Michael need to get this organization back on track. We could be in trouble for the long-haul if Hank keeps it up. And Hank shouldn’t call Cashman a pissant. Say what you will about Cash’s decisions but he built a place for himself in this organization for 20+ years without inheriting the business from his father.