Today in the playoffs
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- October
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ALCS Game 2: Boston (Beckett) at Tampa Bay (Kazmir), 8:07 p.m. (TBS).
Meanwhile, as playoff games are held in St. Pete, Hank Steinbrenner
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crawdaddie-
You are hysterical, when are you performing so I can laugh some more.
“I wonder what the Yankees are thinking now while they’re fishing or doing whatever,” Frank Torre said on the field at Citizens Bank Park before Game 2 of the NLCS, as quoted by USA Today. “I have friends there. I will always root for Derek Jeter. But what they did to my brother was not right. Really, it was pathetic what they did. There was no class.
“I hear Hank Steinbrenner say, ‘Where would Joe Torre be without the Yankees?’ Well, let me tell you, Hank Steinbrenner was fortunate he was born in the Steinbrenner family. His inheritance is a whole lot bigger now than it would have been if not for my brother. I think he gained a lot more money than my brother after all of those World Series.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/10/10/2008-10-10_joe_torres_brother_blasts_bombers.html
Hank’s need for attention is pathetic.
He undermine’s the whole organization by his self serving comments.
George must have squashed poor ol Hank when he was growing up.
Why do people even listen to him when he speaks? Hal needs to tell him to muzzle it because he’s not doing the team any favors by running his mouth.
i don’t see anything wrong with what hank said… the santana trade should have been made. he is going to harp on it, and rightfully so because it was a franchise changing move.
atleast he acknowledged his mistake and hopefully will not make it again… id rather a guy be man enough to admit his mistake rather than be delusional and try and rationalize it.
Am I missing something? What did Hank say that was so bad? Who did he undermine in that column?
He supported Cashman, he said everyone was on the same page and will look at everything this off-season not just one area, he was even gracious towards the Rays.
That one line about Santana is what ticked people off? So he isin’t allowed to have an opinion?
Agree. If anything, people should be happy that he was not very revealing in that interview and didn’t reveal any names of FAs, make any proclamations, threaten anyone etc. Didn’t rip Torre, the Red Sox, Rays, anybody. He even said he is isin’t going to be as candid with the media and realized nothing good will come out of it.
Mountain out of a mole.
He needs to shut up but atleast he is feeling remorseful about not making the Santana trade, that is a good sign. Those who do not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.
I didn’t see anything too bad in this Hank interview.
My only concern is that in negotiations, he shows our hand to everyone, instead of being quiet about what is going on in the deal.
There was part of the interview that was degrading to his employees, but that comes with job when you work for the Steinbrenners.
Am I missing something? What did Hank say that was so bad? Who did he undermine in that column?”
I agree. I started reading expecting to see much worse. I was sort of impressed with Hank’s demeanor, at least compared to some of his early season behavior.
I actually take solace in knowing how badly Hank wants to win. I’m sure he wants $$$ too, but some owners just care about making money. Hank, right or wrong, seems like a real fan. His opinions may differ, but I can rest assured that he REALLY wants the Yankees to win again. Let’s just hope he lets everyone else, Cashman et al, do their jobs.
“The most important thing to remember is this: If you didn’t get it from me or my brother [Hal], it doesn’t mean [anything]. I don’t care about some piss-ant employee. If you don’t get it from me or Hal, it’s meaningless. I have a lot of things [in Tampa] and Hal is in New York, which is good.”
That makes Cashman pretty highly paid for a piss-ant employee whose quotes are meaningless, doesn’t it?
Hank is a piss-ant heir. One suspects George treated his kids like his managers. Wanting to win and being able to make it happen are two very different things.
Maybe the ‘piss-ant’ employees were referring to Levine, Felix the Gardner etc. the scraps of the Tampa mafia.
He supported Cashman, so clearly it wasn’t him, so who cares who else he was talking about? It was probably nobody of importance.
If Hank and Hal are the only 2 who’s comments are meaningful, does that relegate Cashman to the meaningless piss-ant category.
If he believed that, why pay him millions to stay for 3 years?
Despite the Yankees missing the playoffs, Steinbrenner said he believes Joe Girardi is still the right manager, and is happy Cashman re-upped for three years.
“I talked to him [Cashman] during the [June] draft and told him I wanted him back and I am glad he did,” Steinbrenner said. “He is just like me, he wants to finish the job and get this thing turned around.”
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So where did people get the idea that
piss-ant’ comment was directed towards Cashman when he supported him 3 paragraphs later? People just seem to want to pile on the guy for some reason.
The Yanks are finally making a smart move:
AG is another one-time, big-time prospect who was given up on, traded, and then found his niche as a slugging, lefty power hitter (with a terrific glove) in a warm climate off the spotlight. Here’s Gonzalez’s recent numbers:
2007: .282, 30, 100
2008: .279, 36, 119
Gonzalez has a very reasonable contract over the next three years, but perhaps the Padres’ purge (if it happens) could include a first baseman who would be a great fit in the Bronx.
Gonzalez’s agent, John Boggs, reminded us today of Padres GM Kevin Towers’ end-of-season decree that “nobody’s untouchable, nobody,’’ and he takes Towers at his word. There’s plenty of temptation to restock San Diego’s minor-league system (but you wonder if the Yanks have enough to entice the Pads for Jake Peavy first).
Both would be superb additions. As Boggs said, “Adrian’s No. 1 motivation is to win,’’ and there’s deep uncertainty as to the Padres’ next move – either try to win in a weak division, or max out the return for their current top talent.
http://njmg.typepad.com/yankeesblog/2008/10/if-at-first.html
The 2009 Yankees
1b: Texeira
2b: Robinson Cano
3b: Alex
SS: The Captain
CF: Gardner
RF: X
LF: Damon
C: Posada/Molina
DH: Matsui
Rotation: Wang, Joba, CC/AJ, Pettitte, Hughes?
Bullpen: Mo, Bruney, Marte (spring traing will decide like in 08 where the bullpen was a strenght
You might deal cano plus another prospect for a good SP
I’d trade Hughes for Gonzalez too.
The guy plays in the worst hitters park in baseball (and worst division when you factor in AT&T and Dodgers Stadium), and still puts up sick numbers. He also plays great D. He is the type of 2-way player we need.
Which piss ant employee is “MC”-Hank speaking of? Girardi? Cashman? the players? Who else do we hear from? It’s not like Pete and the rest of the press are printing quotes from the ushers or something. I mean which free agent in their right mind would want to come and work for a moron like that. There has to be something seriously wrong with this guy that goes beyond plain old stupidity. Hal seems like he turned out alright. Even to look at them you can tell something is off. I know Pete doesn’t always approve of us pointing out an individuals physical shortcomings but compare Hank and Hal.
Look at Hal.
http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/07/10/amd_halstein.jpg
A nice looking guy right. One could even say handsome. Notice how he’s proud enough to wear the championship ring.
Now look at Hank.
http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1590/hank.jpg
Come on you’re going to tell me that Hank isn’t a few chromosomes short of a full deck.
This one’s pretty funny too.
http://www.tiricosuave.com/images/citizenhank.jpg
I just hope that someone fills in CC and others that it’s not Hanks fault that he says some of the dumbest and meanest things this side of Marge Schott. It’s just that he was genetically shortchanged and his brain never fully developed.
*“MC” = Mentally Challenged
Why not just get Teixeira and not have to give up any prospects?
Could the Yankees make it some sort of Ãœber trade, where they would end up with Peavy and Gonzo?
Hughes and Cano would have to be involved somehow though…
This is sort of off topic, but, I have a question:
Is there a limit to how many type “A” free agents a team can sign in any given offseason?
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081009&content_id=3605799&vkey=ps2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_mlb
The Rays may be paving the way to what is expected to be a much more difficult AL East in 2009, but Damon said he was banking his chips on Terry Francona, David Ortiz and the rest of his old friends who helped the Red Sox snap the Curse of the Bambino before going on to another World Series title last season.
“I think Boston has the best team right now,” Damon said. “Anything can happen, but I think Boston looks real strong.”
With Gonzalez under contract/control for 3 years, cheap*, it will take a great deal to pry him loose. Many, many prospects; almost a Santana-esque trade given the contract leverage. San Diego needs to rebuild big time.
*09: $3.0, 10: $4.75, 11: $5.6. per Cots.
Tom –
Cashman and Towers are frequent trade partners since 1998. Cashman had made the most trades with him than any other GMS. I would surely think Cashman could definitely work something out without including Hughes and Cano, and any other untouchables.
Damon is still a Red Sox at heart. Wouldn’t be suprised if he is wearing an Ortiz Jersey and sitting in a luxury box tonight.
Damon is still a Red Sox at heart. Wouldn’t be suprised if he is wearing an Ortiz Jersey and sitting in a luxury box tonight.——————Or throwing out the first battery on Monday, that is if Mascot Millar isn’t available.
Ed, If you look at the 3 most recent trades involving stars: Danny Haren, Miggy and Willis, and Johan, the price was steep.
I would imagine the deal (Peavy+Gonzo) would have to have either Hughes, or Cano involved—if not both.
I’d trade Hughes for Peavy or Gonzo straight up.
Id we could get both, I’d add Cano and Kennedy in a second.
Gonzo is so underrated, I don’t know why the Pads would trade him though
I refuse to read the link because I’m sooooooo tired of Hank and his Grand Canyon-sized mouth. No wonder fans can’t let go of Santana – Mr. Blowhard can’t, either. I will say, Pete, that Hank has little power in comparison to Hal and that is why he’s opening his mouth. He reminds me of Jan Brady, but instead of “Marcia, Marcia, Marcia” it’s “Johan, Johan, Johan”.....or “Hal, Hal, Hal”. This guy is absolutely pathetic….... Cash, are you still sure you want this job? In any case, Cash and Hal work very well together and that’s all that counts.
Why would SD trade their cornerstone player for Hughes?
I would do it in a heartbeat though if it was available. We’d likely have to sweeten the pot.
Frank, hush up. No one cares about you anymore. Sheesh – now this explains why I am not rooting for Joe against the Phillies. I have had MORE than my fill of this garbage – we get it, he’s the world’s first perfect person and the Yankees should have made him full partner. I’m going to lose my lunch now, but before I do, let me repeat ….....Frank, hush up!
I heart Hank.
Glad to see he regrets the Santana trade, I’d be worried if he didn’t.
staying far away from the Hughes talk, lol
Back to Hank – he does annoy me and I dislike him immensely. That said, his “piss-ant” comment was NOT directed towards Cashman; to me, it was directed to those anonymous sources/employees/friend of the organization familiar with the Yankees’ thinking that newspapers are so fond of quoting – in general, people who have absolutely no clue as to what the team is thinking. In fact, I doubt if these people even exist; it’s easy to make up quotes from people who aren’t named.
Hank has more power than people think. How else did Posada and A-Rod get signed to mega deals to the ire of Cashman?
Hal obviously had to sign off but A-Rod himself said he went to Hank directly. So, Hank can talk his brother into things and Cashman can talk Hal into certain things. Hal is the middle man, not the owner. Whoever makes the most convincing case for something wins out. No other reason why A-Rod is still here and Posada got such a terrible contract.
A Rod’s deal will turn out to be a very good one for the Yankees, so will Posada’s.
Z, not true. Hal did not want to lose Po or Mo…...not sure about A-Rod – he considered that (from what I’ve read) $$ well-spent in that those guys surely deserved to finish their careers in pinstripes.
No, Hank didn’t get what HE wanted, so he throws tempter tantrums. Through no fault of Santana’s, the Mutts didn’t make the playoffs- that should show him that one player can not guarantee anything in sports, esp. baseball. He’s a big baby. He was outvoted on this and he is unable to move on. What Hank needs is a Delorean that can get up to 88 MPH so he can go back and live in the past.
If you read that Wallace Matthews article earlier in the month, it said Hal informed Cashman he could only have Pettitte or Santana, we couldn’t afford both.
So thats what stopped the Santana trade. Notice that the thing started to fall apart that Tuesday after Andy informed the team he was coming back? Thats when Hank made his whole ‘teams demand more from us’ rant and then Hal swooped in a week later and said he nixed the trade. That was the day after the Lester/Santana swap heated up.
Those fans booing Hughes loudly off the mound that night when he was shelled by the Tigers agree with Hank.
Water under the bridge now.
hank is 100% right about santana, no question
“Hal did not want to lose Po or Mo……not sure about A-Rod”
Hal didn’t want to lose any of them. The conflict was in the number of years for all of them.
Z,
I agree. Too many people are naive, provincial thinkers. They equate Hal to Hughes and paint him as god, failing to realize money was the breaking point.
And Felix Lopez, George’s landscaper and one of the lead members of the old Tampa fraction, is very close with Hal. His name is always included with Jenny and Hal. People need to be careful that they know all about Hal.
A-Rod was “money well spent”? Are you serious?
We paid him $315 for what? We were bidding against ourselves. No other team even came close to those numbers. Boras was backed into a corner, thats why A-Rod even came back to us. Hal goes out and gives him that ludicrous contract then comes out and says money nixed the Santana trade and now you are hearing whispers that he wants to lower the payroll to $180 even though we will be printing money in the new stadium. Something doesn’t add up.
Arod @ 315M is money well spent to the team from a business standpoint. The Yankees will make A FORTUNE when he starts coming close to Ruth, Aaron & Bonds.
It appears the only ones who didn’t want the Santana trade are Cashman and the Yankee fans on the internet.
Every media member and talk show host criticize the Yankees to this day——Francessa, Kay, Beningo, Raissman, Madden, Sherman, King, Matthews, Davidoff, Harper, Grazaino etc. Even the national columnists like Rosenthal, Heyman, Olney, etc.
Same with the fans who call WFAN/1050 everyday. How many of them call up and defend the non trade? None. When the topic is Santana its 99% Anti-Cashman for not making the trade. And the fans who go to the games booed him out of the building against DET that night.
Hank isin’t alone with his opinion. There is a reason why that article won’t generate any controversy, most everyone in the mainstream world agrees with him about the non-Santana trade. The ones who disagree with him are on the internet, thats it.
I think the point he was trying to make is Hal didn’t HAVE to give him $315 million. He could have gotten him at a significant discount, and I agree/ There were even quotes in that initial story saying the only way they would take him back is if he deducted the Texas money from his salary. In reality, he got paid almost 4 times that.
Hey, its their money. But it sets a terrible precedent for future transactions. Hal better not be talking about lowering payroll then, he set the standard for the largest contract in Sports history.
will the rays actually show up today?
If you’re right and everyone else is wrong, does that make you wrong. If Joba and Hughes win 30 games this year, will that shut up people, I doubt it.
Nah, Boston is just too much for them. Too much pitching, too much pedigree.
Do we really want Lowe? How much better is he than Pettitte in the AL?
Oddessy, When does Boras not get his money for a premium free agent? You think Boras is an idiot? No way in hell does he opt out of that deal and walk away from the 6 year extension without knowing there was more money out there. Boras usally drags major signings out to late Dec-Jan. When Arod went back to the Yankees it was 2-3 weeks into free agency which was very early in the process. The major players didn’t have a chance to reveal themselves yet.
lowe is a 3rd option if we don’t get cc or burnett or in addition to those guys.
he is an innings eater at the back end who can pitch some big games, nothing more. certainly not the guy who is going to anchor the rotation but a guy who is better than rasner, kennedy, aceves etc.
if mussina decides to come back as well as pettitte, then i dont think we even go after him.
I can’t believe so many people have already given up on Hughes, Kennedy and Cano. Yes this year was a disaster, but it’s only one year. That’s the problem with New York, anytime either team has a budding prospect (Hughes, Kennedy, Cano, Pelfrey, Milledge, etc.) the media anoints them the next Roger Clemens, Willey Mays, Rod Carew, and so on and so forth. Then, when they fail to deliver IMMEDIATELY, everybody flips.
I’m not disputing this year was a disaster for the Yanks, but it’s a slow process. Obviously, at the moment it looks like not pulling the trigger on the Santana deal was a mistake. But let’s see in a few years whether or not he’s still healthy and if the baby bombers come into their own. Sometimes you have to see the forest through the trees.
I like Lowe, he’s a proven post-season performer and won’t cost that much money. He’ll be less expensive than CC and isn’t nearly as injury prone as AJ.
If we don’t get CC and Hughes only becomes a #3 or another fragile Sheets pitcher who can’t throw 200 innings (certainly possible), then yes the trade is a disaster.
Doesn’t look promising now, and may not look promising next year if Hughes spends the year in AAA but we just have to hope for the best.
They certainly broke the mold of doing whatever it takes to win in order to stress development, lets hope ht is the right choice.
I have no problem with Hank regretting the Santana deal (although I don’t). I do have a problem with him referring to his employees as piss-ant. It’s low class and not the way the Yankees should be behaving.
The attractive thing about Lowe is that he doesn’t want more than 2-3 years and you can pencil him in for 200 innings. He also has proven he can be used in the pen if needed (or if he completely bombs).
Lowe would be a very smart signing.
“I like Lowe, he’s a proven post-season performer and won’t cost that much money”
He’ll cost plenty. Won’t need to be a lot of years, but you’re talking $14M-$15M per year most likely.
Depends what contexts it is used. If he is referring to the rats like Levine and the Tampa mafia who have tried to take over the organization and undermine the baseball operations, he is right.
I think that you guys need to keep something in mind. Even though a lot of these guys are good players and do well with the team they are currently playing for, that doesn’t mean they’ll be good Yankees. Playing in NY isn’t like anywhere else. How many players have come here and stunk up the place because they couldn’t handle the pressure?
I’m not trading Hughes or Cano for a NY unproven player.
“If he is referring to the rats like Levine and the Tampa mafia who have tried to take over the organization and undermine the baseball operations, he is right.”
He may be right, but I still say that’s not something you say in public.
this is a great OKLA/TEX game
Why isin’t more attention being paid to Frank Torre’s comments? Why pile on Hank when what Frank said was more disparaging?
because frank was right?
if not for torre, hank wouldn’t be employed and he was fortunate to be born in the steinbrenner family. and they were classless to torre. and sadly, we are ‘fishing’ now while he is in the NLCS.
we just have to take the shots we get, nothing we can do to defend ourselves without making it worse. we made our bed now we have to lie in it.
Derek Lowe is presumably smarter than to come back into the AL East, where he is at best mediocre. Having plenty success in the AAAA NL West. His last 2 years in the AL East he posted ERAs of 5.42 and 4.57. He’s a groundball pitcher who will give Jeter and Cano a whole lot of extra work. He’ll turn 36 during the ‘09 season. All this for $14M and giving up a draft pick? Exactly how many of these kinds of innings do you want to see him eat? Where does all this Derek Lowe love come from?
OTOH, he IS highly entertaining and would love New York.
Fredo: That’s exactly what I meant, he won’t be looking for a long term contract that’s going to haunt us for years to come.
Patrick: Because many people feel that what Frank said was true, especially in light of the snub heard round the world.
“Why pile on Hank when what Frank said was more disparaging?”
Frank’s comments are more understandable. He’s a guy defending his brother. Plus, some of what he said was true. The Yankees could have handled the Torre situation better.
What I don’t like about Frank’s comments is that he’s forgetting that if it weren’t for the Yankees, Torre wouldn’t be managing the Dodgers right now. Think about it – who was looking to hire Joe back in ‘96? How many WS rings did he win as a mgr before then?
I rest my case.
The Anti-Hank crowd should love the way Frank Torre stuck it to Hank in that Daily News article.
“if not for torre, hank wouldn’t be employed and he was fortunate to be born in the steinbrenner family.”
What? Torre has nothing to do with the fact that Hank is George’s son, that’s why he’s employed.
You can’t help who you’re born to. I’ll never understand the argument that a person is “lucky” to be born into a family.
“Where does all this Derek Lowe love come from?”
Not from me. He’s be 5th on my list if I were the Yankees. Instead, Heyman says that he’s third behind CC and AJ.
After hearing from the Yankees, the Twins asked the Red Sox for pitching prospect Clay Buchholz, but the Red Sox refused to part with Buchholz and center fielder Jacob Ellsbury.
Because several executives believed the Twins were waiting to hear Hughes was part of the package, the Yankees’ inclusion of Hughes makes them the favorite to land Santana, who will be 29 in March
Which part of the above do people not understand? The Twins wanted Hughes, the Yankees offered Hughes and then the Twins decided to get greedy and ask for more.
Why do people constantly blame the Yankees when it’s the Twins who decided to shop the Yankees deal after the Yankees offered them Hughes?
Source: http://www.nypost.com/seven/12012007/sports/yankees/a_hughes_step_611764.htm
Laura, who is 3rd and 4th on your list?
Exactly.
If the Twins would have accepted the initial Hughes/Melky/Marquez package, Santana would have already been here.
Hughes isin’t what stopped the trade, it was the 3rd player in the deal. Remember they wanted Jackson/Tabata/Horne? They thought they could squeeze more out of us and they were wrong.
The Yankees did all they could to get Santana. Bill Smith should be blamed, his greedy nixed the trade. And all he ended up with eventually was Joey Gathright 2.0 and a bunch of mediocre AAA pitchers.
“Laura, who is 3rd and 4th on your list?”
1)CC
2)AJ
3)Peavy (although I’m not willing to give up Cano to get him.
4)Garland
5)Lowe
Eh, I thought that was mild Hank. His questionable adjective notwithstanding. Pretty tame stuff.
We’re not landing Peavy. I would offer Hughes for Adrian Gonzalez and would not offer Robi in the package. Robi is a position player you keep, he has too much upside untapped and is controlled at a good price.
BTW
Waikiki Beachboy
October 11th, 2008 at 4:44 am
I just got back from watching Jeremy Bleich pitch tonight and he looked VERY good. This was the second time I’ve watched him pitch here in Hawaii and he looked much more composed tonight. Going right after the hitters and using his breaking ball perfectly. He and Romine seemed to be gelling really well. The other encouraging sign was that Bleich even seemed to overpower some of the hitters with his fastball. It wasn’t that his fastball had such great velocity but he was mixing his pitches so well that it really took the hitters by surprise.
Romine also looked good at the plate as well as behind it. He looks very comfortable with the bat in his hands and appears to be a solid contact hitter. Hopefully his power will develop as he progresses.
I also had a chance to talk with Andrew Brackman before the game and he was VERY gracious in signing a couple baseballs for me. When I asked him what it was like to be in Spring Training with the big club, he smiled and said, “Awesome!†He also confirmed that he would be back in Tampa for Spring Training in ‘09.
Lastly, I feel extremely fortunate to live in Hawaii but to also be a devoted Yankee fan and have the opportunity to watch future Yankees is quite an amazing experience. Two years ago, I had the chance to meet Joba right after he got drafted and he actually thanked me for asking him to sign my ball. He is definitely my favorite Yankee because he was so unbelievably down to earth. I also got to see Austin Jackson play last season and watched him dunk on a regulation basket with slippers/flip flops on after one of their games. Now that’s something that I will always remember. What an athlete!
I woke up and only saw one person respond to your post WB, thanks for the HWB updates. Please keep us informed on what is going on over there.
Um, I’m not going to believe anything Wallace Matthews has to say, X-Mann.
calm down, Tom, sheesh. Did you even READ my post? I didn’t mention A-Rod except to say that I wasn’t quite sure what happened with him. Besides, I made it perfectly clear I was talking about Mo and Po finishing THEIR careers with the Yankees and how Hal wanted that to happen.
Wow, Fire Meachum – who gives a flying fig if the media wanted Santana or not? Is that how you want the Yankees to run their team, by taking a poll of the mediots? That’s it -I’m done with the Santana thing. If you guys can’t let it go, then so be it. You’ll be miserable until Johan either retires or breaks his arm.
Go on diet Pete, you look ugly on blog picture, more like a double cheeseburger with 2 red cherry tomatoes for eyes, damn you have a real ugly look.
Go Rays!
Kevin
He does look more like a homeless on a bronx bound train..!
Yeah, sign Lowe so he can reminisce about 2004 with Johnny Damon.
Are the WB or AFL broadcasted at all? I’d love to catch a few of their games if possible.
Thanks for re-posting my comment from this morning, Brandon. I just wanted to add my little bit of insight into our Yankees prospects here in Hawaii.
Bleich really did look good last night. I was actually surprised at how well he fields his position too. His very first pitch he threw was a bunt that he fielded perfectly and threw out the runner at first. I also remember him calling off two infielders for a high pop-up and getting down the line to cover first on two occasions. Oh and he also smoothly started a double play from a ball that was batted straight back to him. Perfect 1-6-3 double play.
Thanks for reading guys! I’ll comment about our Yankee prospects in HWB whenever I can if there is still interest. Btw, the Beachboys pitching coach is Jeff Ware who is also the pitching coach for the Class A Charleston Riverdogs. Class act all the way. He’s also very high on Dellin Betances.
Hughes for Adrian Gonzalez?
Where Do I sign?
I trade Hughes before I trade Robi. Cano is a position player with so much potential. We don’t have any position players. Shopping Robbie is useless, it just takes us back to square one.
could hughes get us james loney or matt laporta?
Doubt it. Cleveland traded for Laporte in the first place because they need offense. They are like us. They have young pitcher but no position talent.
Dodgers are in the same boat—- they need another big bat more than they need pitching. Loney is also their most mature young player, they won’t move him.
Kemp and Ethier could probably be had for Hughes, not Loney.
Gonzalez doesn’t have the NTC obstacle that Peavy does, so maybe he is more attainable than Peavy.
Hughes would obviously be the focal point of either deal. They can have Kennedy too if they want.
Let’s see how much Hank regrets the non-Santana move. Go out and get us our ace this off-season then, either via FA or trade.
Hank is the personification of the phrase: money can’t buy class. He’s an embarrassment to the Yankee franchise. Just shut up and let Cashman do his job.
“Let’s see how much Hank regrets the non-Santana move. Go out and get us our ace this off-season then, either via FA or trade.”
Hank is clown – Hal is the man behind the curtain working the controls while Hank is the bombast and bs in the hall.
The idea that you would trade Hughes now is the very definition of asinine. We have a guy who is under contractual control, cheap and has 1 or 2 in the rotation ability. Gil (F’ing) Meche is making $12M – you don’t think that Phil can do those kind of numbers? come on.
Frank Torre is right—- Hank has no class.
Torre must love how everybody is attacking the Yankees from different angles this past month. Even Donnie Baseball, the iconic Yankee, got into the action.
But as Frank said, we are fishing now and he is in the NLCS. The Torre clan has every right to gloat
I have no problem with Hank regretting the Santana trade, most people do and he has every right to have that opinion. It was a mistake, IMO.
But referring to his employees as “piss-ants” is classless. This guy just always swoops to a new low. I’m sure when he gets wind of Frank’s comments, we’ll have a new set of classless, bitter comments on the way.
Props to Frank for putting Hank in his place. He went below the belt, but maybe it teaches Hank a thing or two.
Hughes is another Ben Sheets/Pavano – - – gets a bunch of weird, non-arm related injuries every year.
And like Sheets/Pavano, Hughes has the ideal pitcher’s frame. If you give him a spot in the rotation, that is basically like handing Ponson a spot because thats who will replace him when he eventually goes on the DL.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D00E5DB1E31F933A25756C0A96E958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
The Yankees should remember the article above if they want to know what a winning team feels like. Buckling under the pressure of money for the 10th anniversary of the 1998 team. I can’t believe it’s been 10 years already.
I also want to complain again about MLB’s money-grubbing playoff scheduling, especially since it’s not making the ballpark experience any cheaper. And in protest, I’m not watching either game.
Even if we miss out on CC, I’m fine because Joba is our ace anyway, so we don’t need an ace.
Joba the ace, Wang the #2 where he belongs, Hughes the middle rotation starter where he is projected.
No need for CC when we have an ace and co-ace. If Mussina comes back, thats even better. With big game Andy in the #5.
Use that money on Manny instead.
I am not watching because I want to ruin their playoff ratings.
I will monitor the game via Box score.
which game was more impressive?
hughes’ 6.1 innings of no hit ball vs. texas
or
kennedy’s game vs. burnett last yr in september (7 ip, 1 h, 1 er, 7 k)
or
joba’s 1-0 win in fenway vs. necektt (7 IP, 9 K)
my vote is joba hands down.
Is that poll serious? Who would choose anything other than Joba’s game in Fenway? That was a truly dominant performance that night. Cricks in Fenway
Kennedy’s game against the Angels was magnificent.
Joba can’t be the ace of the staff next season because he can’t pitch a full 30 starts due to his innings limit. He likely wont be able to again in ‘10. This Yankee team needs to make a move for a bionafied #1. If it turns out that Hughes and some other lower level prospects is enough to get the deal done you simply have to do it. I don’t think it is but that’s another question. I love Phil but Peavy is one of those next level type of pitchers and has an extremely club friendly contract for a guy of his talent.
Adding to that trading Hughes for a guy like Peavy with his contract is far from selling low on him, in fact it’s getting pretty max bang for your prospect buck. My opinion, Yankees should trade for Jacob Peavy, sign big CC, keep Joba in the rotation and you can go toe to toe with any other rotation in baseball for a very long time.
Rob, I agree 100% if you can get any ace like Peavy for Hughes, you HAVE to pull the trigger.
I have no problem giving up Hughes for Jake Peavy. But would SD do it?
I doubt Hughes would be enough. Peavy is a bonafied ace, a CY young award winner and only 26 years old and locked up for the next 5 years. If he was on the market, so many teams with better farm systems than us can offer more like ATL, TEX, MIL etc. Peavy isin’t like Santana who requires an extension, the fact that he is locked up means all 30 teams will be involved.
I would trade Phil for Peavy in a heartbeat though, but I don’t think it would be enough.
i’d like either gonzalez or peavy, and i’d have no problem giving up Hughes for either.
I have said it many, many times before, and I say it here for the record once again:
I DO NOT WANT TO BE A YANKEE. I’M A RED SOX FAN.
Jake Peavy October 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
I have said it many, many times before, and I say it here for the record once again:
I DO NOT WANT TO BE A YANKEE. I’M A RED SOX FAN.
Come to the dark side Jakey.
Well there we have it, Peavy doesn’t want to come here.
Time to move on to Zack Greinke
No way does San Diego trade an established young ace for a younger pitcher who has lots of potential but no one knows precisely how good Hughes will be.
“I DO NOT WANT TO BE A YANKEE. I’M A RED SOX FAN.”
Jake
You don’t need to root for us, just pitch for us.
Brian
Peavy is a notorious Braves fan, FYI. I live out here, I know. He is as southern as you can get.
I am no way rooting for Boston but I hope they sweep Tampa (then get swept in the WS)...maybe they’ll both go away next season with this failure.
Clemens hated the Yankees too and said he wanted to go to Toronto where the quality of life was better. And he was HATED in the Yankee clubhouse before he came here and always hit our players.
Then he came to the darkside and loved it.
Peavy sounds like a southern name.
speaking of the south. When ESPN gameday were in okie land today, the deep-fried snickers bar actually sounded kinda good.
If Boston wins tonight, we might as well hope they sweep. Boston isin’t blowing a 2-0 lead going to Fenway against this Devil Rays team.
Atleast if they sweep and PHI-LAD goes 6, the Sox might lose momentum like the Rockies did from sitting around. All their pitchers would have a ton of rest too.
Did Hank really mean to call out the players who gave those anonymous quotes these past few weeks? Especially the ones lately who said they are unhappy with Girardi?
They are technically Hank’s “employees”. He didn’t have to people in the front office, he could have meant players.
Deep-fried snickers bar-that does sound…interesting
I could have sworn there was some restaurant in NY or NJ that just deep-fries everything
Just catching up with the comments. Anyway, I decided to read the entire article in the Post. This immediately caught my eye:
“I said that if you treat me fair and honest, I would treat you fair and honest,” Steinbrenner said. “Those days are over. I told Hal, if you live by the press, you die by the press. I didn’t live by my own words.”
While he may not be entirely articulate, he certainly has a pulse on the press. Good for you Hank. Stop talking to them and just do your job.
Anyway, I agree that his “pissant” comments were certainly not meant for Cashman. Sure he could have used a better choice of words.
Here’s what I think about Hank. He wants to field a great team and for the Yankees to win. I have no need to judge him beyond that.
GO RAYS!
I see the Rays as scrappy and determined. We’ll see if they show up tonight.
I have a major problem with Hank regretting the trade. First off, who are the “most people”? People on this board? Every Yankee fan? I know from my visits to various boards that there are just as many folks who are glad that Phil is still here and that the Santana deal didn’t go down (for reasons other than Phil, to boot); they just don’t post as often or as loudly as those who want to keep complaining about it. It works the same way with sports radio – the people that call in are mostly those unhappy with something. You hardly hear from those who are satisfied
Mostly, though, Hank’s constant whining about it is pathetic – he sounds like a 5 year old. If I pricked him with a needle, he’d deflate in a second because he’s no substance, just hot air. He was outvoted, period, now he has to deal with it. It’s been almost a year and he’s still yapping away; it’s embarrassing. Poor little Hankypoo didn’t get what he wanted, so now he’s going to stamp his feet every day until someone comes and tells him it’s going to be ok…......Guess what, Hank? No one cares! The Yankees are moving ahead with whatever plans they have and this guy is stuck in the past. Sheesh.
Scott Kasmir – biggest start of his career
My two cents:
Hank is a spoiled brat. Point blank, period. He was conspicuous by his absence all year, and unless he was caring for his ailing father, he would have been there if he really cared.
If he had his way, he’d continue the same big spending, starve the farm philosophy that has resulted in our New York Yankees falling so far from grace. The fact that he’s still dwelling on the Santana deal shows how out of touch he is with the major problems this team had all year. The best pitcher on the planet would have only been able to do so much, and everyone who pays even a remote amount of attention understands this.
To mug the Bard of Avon:
”[Hank]’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
Hank complaining about the media is transparently stupid – He has the scribes on speed dial and then gripes about it? Give me a break. Sure Hank – tell Hal to avoid the press.
Craig Sager-his outfit tonight looks somewhat normal
“But as Frank said, we are fishing now and he is in the NLCS. The Torre clan has every right to gloat”
No he doesn’t. This has been said a million times before, but apparently it bares repeating. LAD would not be in the playoffs if they played in the AL East. That fact can’t be ignored. They are in a soft league and they caught the break of life when they got Manny. That had absolutely nothing to do with Torre. He got lucky—just like he got lucky with us in the 90’s.
Let’s face it. If the sux win tonight they have pretty much have won the chamionship. Neither National League team could beat these guys in a 7 game series.
-S
“Neither National League team could beat these guys in a 7 game series.”
True. However, I remember thinking the same thing about the DET-STL series. And we saw how that turned out.
The Dodgers could beat the Sox.
They have Torre, the best manager currently in baseball and a proven playoff winner. He will motivate them and be a calming influence in that clubhouse. Manny is obviously a legend in the postseason. Both he and Torre know all the secrets about the Sox and the tricks of Fenway that other teams are oblivious to. They have a lights out bullpen and a lights out pitching staff (except for Maddux).
Because of Torre and Manny, the Dodgers will be a very dangerous team. Not to mention it would take a huge momentum swing for them to rally from 2-0 vs. Philly, they would take that surge going into Boston.
I think I see the Phillies potentially kicking whatever butt they face.
In any event, one thing I love about Kasmir. Nothing seems to scare him. He has always showed a healthy arrogance. That will certainly stand him well tonight as I doubt he has any fear of the Sux.
Oh jeez
2-0 Red Sox
Ugh. And as soon as the words are out my mouth.
Sorry Rays.
Hank, unlike Cashman, actually recognizes that the farm has NO position prospects and needs to get much better.
Maybe we’ll stop taking soft tossers and injured pitchers with our high draft picks and get some hitting for once.
Looks like they are going to need a bad Beckett to show up tonight.
Well, that should do it.
Good job Rays. What a fraud team.
Beckett is the best postseason pitcher of all-time. Bay gives Boston a 2-0 lead (in the game and series) that they will not relinquish.
This is what mystique and aura does for a team.
Get it together Kazmir
pat, here’s hoping. We’ve seen the bad beckett a few times lately. Hopefully he still has some of that bad going on.
38 pitches in first inning!
Hi everyone –
Been busy with my daughter’s 19th birthday today, but was in and out skimming a couple of times during the day.
First –
I thought the Post article was harmless – I wasn’t going to read it, but once I clicked the link,well, I figured might as well. The term “pissant employee” was unfortunate, but otherwise, it was a very innocuous article. And I took “pissan’t employee” to mean an “underling,” certainly not Cashman.
Second –
Well, I guess it’s going to be Sox versus whoever in the World Series. I hope the other team wins, but this Red Sox team knows how to win. I hate to have to say that, it pains me to say that, but it’s true.
Now, let’s hope Becket is not on his game and that the Rays show some of that come back-ability the showed in the last series and all season. It’s only the first inning – anything is still possible, right?
“Beckett is the best postseason pitcher of all-time. Bay gives Boston a 2-0 lead (in the game and series) that they will not relinquish.”
YAWN! That’s what someone said just before beckett gave up 4 runs to the Angels. I come from the show me state. (Of course I am hoping he doesn’t show me tonight…)
If the baseball gods have any compassion, these Rays will have a horseshoe with them tonight.
GO RAYS!
I’m not sure if Hank is smart enough to think like this, but maybe he is using the “annoyance” method do get his way.
He will harp on the Santana trade all winter and mention it in all his interviews, knowing fully that it will annoy Cashman. The media and fans (who call in the stations and go to games, not the ones who are stationed in front of their PCs) have harped on the trade all season.
Hank may feel that if he annoys Cashman enough and gets enough media pressure (you can tell its getting to Cash by how he lashed out explicitly at them twice this offseason alone), he will eventually go to the darkside and join him. Cash is here for 3 more years, he signed the extension. Hank feels after a year of it being shoved in his face, he will start to have some regret and make sure it never happens again and makes sure he gets us our ace this winter.
If Hank was using that ideology, it was a very smart idea by him.
Hi D! So good to hear from you. While I hear what you are saying about the Sux, an excuse me bloop hit and a play that Crawford didn’t make last night were their two runs. I’m not ready to write off these Rays just yet. I will always concede that a team that has had trips to the postseason has some kind of edge of a team that hasn’t.
I admit to not watching the NL very much but unless it is just an illusion, so far it looks to me that the Phils are a very formidible opponent. Am I incorrect to think they can beat an AL team?
Well there goes Beckett’s no-hitter
Santana sacrificed strikeouts for GBs. He now is pitching deep into games and becoming more economical. A Halladay-esque transformation.
That will eclipse Moose as the best FA signing in baseball. He has shown he can pitch even without strikeouts. He looked like a different pitcher this year, but was just as dominating.
Didn’t I warn you all about that f*cking Jas*n B*y ?
That’s the A-Hole they need to stop!
Why didn’t the D’Backs of 2001 turn into marshmallows like these Rays ?
S.A.
All tied up!
HA HA HA HA HA you loser ER.
The baseball gods just told you what you could do with your phony baloney marshmallows.
Trisha –
The only—
Hurray!!!! it’s a GAME!!!!!
THERE YA GO!
Well, Trisha –
I was about to say our only hope is for the Rays to be able to win in Fenway, but, we have liftoff right here!
Let’s Go Rays!
Hi Trisha!
we’re seeing why teams like the rays don’t belong. Sure, they make a nice story but they are going to buckle under the pressure. As much as I hate to say this but the red sox will likely win it again…with good quality pitching.
If the Yanks don’t solidify the rotation then they’ll be at home during the playoffs again with baby stein saying more stupid stuff trying to convince himself that he knows what he is doing
so much for the greatest postseason pitcher of all time!
I think I’ll repeat what I just said to Doreen for anyone who may not have read it.
I’m not ready to write off these Rays just yet.
Thank you baseball gods.
Dear A-Rod,
Heh heh.
Love,
E.Longoria
trisha –
I’ve always said if you give Philly even decent starting pitching, they would be a force to be reckoned with. They are built for a short series. They are gritty, they can manufacture runs, and they just always seem to get big hits and play great D. This year, Hamels was an ace, Myers was dominant in the 2nd half, and Moyer had a career year. They had the best bullpen ERA in baseball too after having one of the worst last year.
Now that they matched their offense and grittiness with some pitching, they are very formidable. I just don’t know if its enough to beat a quality AL team like Boston. I don’t trust Myers, Moyer, Blanton, Lidge etc. in Fenway against that lineup. I think they would beat the Rays. I do think they would give more of a challenge to BOS than LAA or TB.
“we’re seeing why teams like the rays don’t belong.”
Uh, because they just got the two runs back?
Doreen, I was also going to say back to you that the Rays would have to pick it up in craptown. I of course will feel better if they go there with a win under their belt!
“Am I incorrect to think they can beat an AL team?”
No. Your keyboard’s got more IQ than you Trisha.
Bankrupt,
I hope you didn’t bet money on Beckett being the best postseason pitcher of all time otherwise you may indeed go bankrupt
t-rock
You rock!
Why does er ‘pretend’ to be a Yankee fan. Everyone can see through that phony facade.
Last night was a tough game to watch, Trisha. Dice-K has no right being that effective. But he’s certainly having a year for himself. I know the runs the Red Sox scored last night, especially the second one were not pretty, but they were all they needed. It wasn’t so much that the Sox looked so good last night, but that the Rays looked so overmatched. That’s what a good pitching performance can do to a team. If they had been able to muster a hit or two at the right time, they surely could have won. Their pitching did a wonderful job (The Rays, that is) by limiting Boston to 2 runs. But they didn’t and the 2 lousy runs held up. I guess the biggest surprise last night was Crawford not catching that one ball. Bad break on that.
Now, hopefully Kazmir will have gotten over his first-inning jitters and we’ll have us a 1-1 series by the end of the night.
“No. Your keyboard’s got more IQ than you Trisha.”
YAWN! I think I hear the buzzing of an infected gnat.
Bankrupt wrote: Beckett is the best postseason pitcher of all-time
You know, I’ll give you that 2007 was one of the best one-year runs a pitcher has had, up there wit hershiser in 1988. But people need to calm down. He has the grand total of TWO world series victories to his credit. Maybe on his way to being one of greatest in postseason but not there yet. beckett is not even in the top 15 as of right now.
I actually like ER… he’s a funny guy.
Tries to rile us up but he is harmless.
jennifer, they say you can’t embarrass an ignorant person. That’s why ER the pretend Yankee fan keeps showing up.
Dice-K needs to change his name to Houdini.
That man is always pitching on the edge of disaster..and then gets out of it. It’s freaking mind-boggling.
I think Dice-K needs to have guys on base in order to concentrate and throw strikes.
Just like a closer needs to be in a save situation only to perform.
Doreen I agree about last night’s game. What a pitching performance by Shields also.
I am hoping that the Rays are a young enough team that they will bounce right back with confidence.
Is there a more odd-time for a playoff game than 4:37 PM on a Monday?
S.A. =
Dice-K runs contrary to everything you ever hear – don’t walk the leadoff hitter, it’ll come back to bite you! Not for him – no, he walks the bases loaded and then strikes out the side. It’s really annoying. It seemed every time a Yankees pitcher walked a lead off hitter, he came around to score. Well, let’s see what next year brings to Dice-K.
I love the Yankees just as much as you guys do, but let’s face it…Beckett’s a damn BEAST when he’s healthy. I still have nightmares from 2003.
Papelbon has pitched 20.2 innings in the postseason without allowing a run. He too seems to shine when it matters like Beckett, Dice-K, Lester, Pedroia, Youakklis etc.
S.A. =
Dice-K runs contrary to everything you ever hear – don’t walk the leadoff hitter, it’ll come back to bite you! Not for him – no, he walks the bases loaded and then strikes out the side. It’s really annoying. It seemed every time a Yankees pitcher walked a lead off hitter, he came around to score. Well, let’s see what next year brings to Dice-K.
I know! Just when you think..Oh that walk is gonna bite him in the butt…it doesn’t.
So annoying! lol
Pauly, then we will have to hope that he remains unhealthy – or just continues to not age well!
Why in hell Sux posters need to bother our reverie will always be beyond me.
Dice-K has what it takes to shut down his mistakes. It is rather phenomenal.
You have to admit the Yanks scout well. A shame we had to trade away Navarro. Who did we get for him, does anyone remember at this point?
I don’t see any reverie, I just see trisha constantly flapping her gums.
Doreen – Just wanted to say Hi – You’ve been busy with your daughter’s 19th birthday (congrats), I’ve been busy with new painting, new furntiture, and getting a new large screen TV to watch the (Yankee-less) World Series.
It’s amazing how one thing morphs into another. I just wanted to get a large screen TV, and this morphed into new furniture, house painting, and window treatments.
Anyway – Hi.
Right jack/john/ER the man of a thousand identities.
YAWN!!!
We traded Navarro for Randy right?
There are other places to wax poetic about sox players. If you need help finding it, it was quite simple.
Go to google, type in red sox blog. And you can wax poetic with other sox fans about the red soxs.
Clint I totally don’t remember at this point. I will see if I can find it (though you may very well be right.)
Trisha =
I’m not certain, but I seem to remember he went to Arizona as part of the Randy Johnson deal.
Clint said the same. You guys are probably right D.
joe- I just went from switching to winter clothes, to purchasing new bookshelves.
This is the first time i’ve sat down all day. And am still not done!
Pedroia, who has a .100 BA this postseason is “shining” in the postseason?
However, I sadly agree with the other ones.
I swear Beckett starts slow and just gets better as the game goes on….
Joe from Long Island
Congratulations on your new tv. We have been talking about joining the new millenium television-wise for a few months now, but haven’t pulled the trigger yet, because, as you said, it’s not just about the televistion! It means new furniture and a few other details as well!
Hey, is the ump working a tight zone? He may be doing it for both sides but it sure looks like he’s nmot giving the outside corner.
Clint
October 11th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
We traded Navarro for Randy right?
_
Would you rather lose Navarro, who was still at least two years away from being effective, Halsey and Vazquez or who they turned down…Wang and Cano?
Ugh.
“anti abreu
October 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
if not for torre, hank wouldn’t be employed…”
This has to be one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever read on this vaunted forum.
MVP
3-2 Red Sox
Okay – Halsey, Vazquez and Navarro for Randy Johnson – Baseball Reference.com.
Joe from LI –
One of the things we can’t decide is whether to mount the flat screen on the wall or not. And if we do, should we put it over the fireplace or not. Too many decisions!!!
Darn that Dustin Pedroia!!!!
Liking that trisha??
See?
Unfortunately, I was right. Pedroia is a big game performer.
I admit that I’m a Red Sox fan. I admit that I would rather stay with Yankee fans. So shoot me.
Another homerun for MVP Jas*n B*y ?
( Trisha, you must be that same mean-spirited, old bi*tch from the NYT forum. )
Kazmir is like CC… dominant regular season then melts down in big games when it matters the most. But Kazmir is a hot head, and all hotheads melt in big games.
Doreen, not sure that I’d be putting a TV over the fireplace. The heat would destroy it within two days.
jack me too. I just think these Yankee fans are a lot more sophisticated then Red Sox fans. They’ve been around winning teams more so it’s cooler to hang out with them. Maybe I shouldn’t admit that but it’s how I feel.
No ER. Bay will hit a 2 run double HR
Screw ER. She knows a lot more than you’ll ever know.
Pete can track IP addresses for impersonators, FYI.
Trisha: I sleep with my fingers crossed, wishing that he gets another blister ;). And yes, Navarro was part of the Randy deal, which, I’m sure, was one of the trades going through Cashman’s mind when he decided not to go through w/ Santana.
ER (The Final Season) October 11th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Another homerun for MVP Jas*n B*y ?
( Trisha, you must be that same mean-spirited, old bi*tch from the NYT forum. ).
Seriously? Cut the crap.
Who the hell thought this thing’s posts were funny?
I wish one of the Rays would be bold enough to Tanya Harding Jas*n B*y.
It’s not like Navarro would have played a lot with Posada here anyway. He is too stubborn to move to 1B, so it wouldn’t have mattered. We would have his heir apparent, but it won’t matter for a few years.
Chances are, Navarro would have been dangled for something else from then until now.
ER: having been a longtime member of the now-defunct NYTimes Yankee forum, I can state explicitly that Trish is one of the finest, most spirited Yankee fans of all time – leave her alone.
By Gawd.
Or else I’ll have to take another swig of this ‘Hopdevil Ale’ and try to be even more imaginative on this keyboard.
GB –
Could be – but we’ve used the fireplace about 2 times in 7 years! I love the idea of the fireplace, but it’s one of those smaller ones in these newly built homes, so you’ve constantly got to poke at it and prod it and, well, let’s just say, the constant attention to the fire spoils the mood! I ended up putting candles in it. We’ve been toying with the idea of converting it to a gas fireplace, but, it doesn’t seem worth the expense.
Atta boy Upton. 3-3
The rea