Meetings end; Peavy deal seems unlikely
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The organizational meetings have come to an end in Tampa. Brian Cashman is en route back to New York. The Journal News has learned from sources who asked to remain unidentified because they were not permitted to reveal the secret plans that the Yankees intend to be better next season and talked a lot about that.
Meanwhile, you fantasy GMs out there should stop trying to figure out how to get the Padres trade Jake Peavy to the Yankees.
Barry Axelrod, Peavy’s agent, made it clear this afternoon that his client wants to stay in the National League. “It’s where he’s comfortable,” Axelrod said. “He knows the hitters and he enjoys that aspect of the game himself.”
If the Padres struck out in the NL, they could certainly try and cut a deal with the Yankees or any other AL team. But players negotiate no-trade clauses into their contracts for a reason. Peavy would likely need incentive – meaning a lucrative extension – to agree to a deal. Axelrod made that clear.
So now the Yankees are back where they were with Johan Santana. Why pay for a pitcher with prospects and money when you can just pay the money?
Peavy has $60 million left on his deal. You want to pay that, plus your best prospects plus another $15 million (at least) for an extension?
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no i dont.
plus i want guys that WANT to be here, not guys that have to be convinced.
LOL, Pete. I say it’s Hank! Told you the carton of smokes would work.
Amen to the rest. Certain guys are creatures of habit.
But, dang, he’s got the bluest eyes. Oops. Is that a no-no?
ER,
I admit it. I cried last night, especially when the nurse opened up the door and had all the name plates. Waterworks.
Of course some of that was from the Boston win.
Plus, the idea of taking a non-groundballer (roughly 1:1 GB:FB ratio) out of Petco and bringing him to the AL East doesn’t really appeal.
I think he’d still be a good pitcher, but I don’t think he’d put up the kind of numbers people are used to seeing.
You can’t get more than a stop gap without Hughes, IMO.
The problem with our prospects is that there is Hughes and there is everyone else. We have no 2nd tier guys. The drop off from Hughes to Kennedy is dramatic. Jackson, Melancon etc. don’t have singular value even if they are combined (as we saw with the Santana trade), they need to be paired with a Hughes in order to get someone big.
For example, we don’t have what it takes to get a Kemp. Hughes is too much to give up for him and Kennedy isin’t anywhere close to enough to get him.
Now, if Votto, Loney, Gonzalez, Bruce etc. is involved, a top flight young position player, then its fair to trade Hughes. But if you want guys just below that level (Kemp, Ethier, McLouth, etc.) then you have to overpay.
Our farm is very imbalanced right now. In a few years (assuming everything goes right), we’ll have plenty of ammunition to make trades that teams like the Braves and Dodgers can, but we don’t have that ability right now.
Not sure if anyone posted this yet.. No big news though.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Pete, Just want to say thanks for all your hard work and the info you provide to us NYY fans. It makes the offseason a lot more interesting.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Not sure if anyone posted this yet.
Well, if we don’t get CC or Burnett, we need some kind of backup plan, right?
Clint,
Then you have to overpay for Lowe or, ugh, Garland.
No to Dempster. I had one look at him and didn’t like what I saw. Hughes can do better than that in the postseason.
No to Sheets or anyone who was searing pain in their limb.
Not a whole lot there.
Oh yeah, what’s his face, Oliver Perez is too inconsistent.
From Heyman -
Determined not miss the playoffs for a second straight season in 2009, the Yankees’ top executives have decided to pursue many of the game’s premier free agents, chief among them starting pitchers CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe, and first baseman Mark Teixeira, among others, this winter. They will also will pursue Jake Peavy, the Padres’ Cy Young-winning starting pitcher who may be available via trade, and may take a look at top free-agent outfielder Manny Ramirez, as well, though the need for a corner outfielder isn’t as urgent as their need for pitching and a first baseman.
While they can’t sign all those pitchers, they are hoping to secure more than one of them. There is also some question in the cases of Sabathia and Burnett whether they’d want to play in New York, which may be why they will pursue so many pitchers.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Odyssey,
Funny how no one wants to play in New York. Was never a problem in the pa$t.
Sea Net,
Thanks for that. If Gardner can hit league average, he’d make a great stop-gap IMO.
Oh yeah, what’s his face, Oliver Perez is too inconsistent.
Mel -
Perez sometimes get slapped around in the NL, he would surely get slapped in the AL.
Something about Burnett really intrigues me. Not just because he dominated us. He just seems like the guy who can thrive with a change of scenery.
The players want him badly and he has used his people to let it be known that he wants to play here, while CC’s people have done everything to let it be known that he wants to stay in the NL.
I like guys that want to be here and will fit the chemistry of the team well.
I guess the bottom line of the meetings was no one can really “stomach” transition, can they?
Okay, that’s someone else talking.^^
Not me incognito.
All these players are such phonys.
I want to see ALL of them walk away from the money when the chips are on the table.
They can play the “doesn’t want to play in NY” angle now, but these guys will take the money and run when Thanksgiving rolls around and they realize the dollars we are talking about.
Nitro,
I don’t see CC walking away from a table full of chips.
I’m predicting the Yanks get Burnett.
Honestly, Peter, I’d rather take on $75 million and cut loose prospects than the $125 million plus prospects that Santana required. Peavy is no Santana, but he’s pretty solid.
My guess is that the Yankees figure they are going to get draft picks for Abreu (and Giambi?), thus signing Sabathia and giving up the picks for him would break that even.
So that makes sense too, but Sabathia is too expensive if you ask me.
“You want to pay that, plus your best prospects plus another $15 million (at least) for an extension?”
You forgot to add for a pitcher who’s not nearly as good as Johan Santana.
Why not send Jeter, Arod, Posada, Mo, Tino, Reggie, Yogi, Paulie, Hank, Hal, Girardi, Cashman on a cross country bus trip? They can stop in each city where the players we want live and they can try and recruit them.
They can start in Alabama with Peavy, then drive to Detroit to talk to Lowe, then to go Maryland to talk to Burnett, then go to Miami to talk to Manny, then drive to Phonenix to talk to Teixeria, then make the grand trip of them all to San Francisco to recruit Sabathia.
It can be a fun winter excursion for these guys.
If I found I could be a lot more successful in the NL as a pitcher because frankly it’s an easier row to hoe and on top of it I liked hitting, hell I’d opt for the NL. I don’t think it has much to do with “not wanting to pitch for the Yankees.” I’d tell you that players who don’t want to play for the Yankees are like hens teeth.
Mark Cuban gazes into the crystal ball for 2008-2009:
Mark Cuban, Dallas Mavericks Owner
“Will the NBA proactively promote itself and its teams to take marketshare away from other entertainment options?
When the economy slows, and competitors have issues, that’s the time to double down and take marketshare.”
Can the Yankees be thinking along the same lines? Time to grab the spotlight back?
Don, exactly when did Burnett have “his people to let it be known that he wants to play here.” did i miss something?
too many injury questions with burnett, sheets, dumpster. no thanks.
trading for peavey would set the yankees back years.
bye bye peavey.
Barry Axelrod, Peavy’s agent, made it clear this afternoon that his client wants to stay in the National League. “It’s where he’s comfortable,†Axelrod said. “He knows the hitters and he enjoys that aspect of the game himself.â€
I always think it’s a riot that people just refuse to accept what they don’t want to accept and continue to plod ahead despite the road signs.
It doesn’t seem to be rocket science here to imagine that Peavy isn’t coming to the Yankees. So to continue to spin your wheels wanting to trade away really valuable players in the Yankee organization for someone who isn’t coming – doesn’t that seem to be a waste of time?
Just sayin’
(What do I know, but I’m also convinced that you will not see the Yankees packaging Phil Hughes as part of any trade – not that there is even a trade to be made!)
My opinion.
mel
October 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Clint,
Then you have to overpay for Lowe or, ugh, Garland.
No to Dempster. I had one look at him and didn’t like what I saw. Hughes can do better than that in the postseason.
No to Sheets or anyone who was searing pain in their limb.
Not a whole lot there.
Oh yeah, what’s his face, Oliver Perez is too inconsistent
we still have hughes if we sign dempster/perez.
sabathia
wang
dempster/perez
pettitte/mussina/hughes
joba
trisha,
who is spinning their wheels?
i don’t think anyone on here has said anything to the effect of “we HAVE TO get Peavy!!!!” or we’re screwed.
the point is that he is more affordable from a fiscal standpoint than someone like Santana would have been. I am against it, but $75 million vs. $125 million is a no-brainer.
Everyone knows that I don’t believe in dealing Hughes, but leaving that aside…….the Pads will ask for Phil, Jackson, probably Melancon etc……Making that deal would be sheer lunacy; Peavy is very good, but he is just one pitcher and ravaging the upper levels of your farm system is not my idea of smart thinking. I agree with the poster who said that it would set the Yankees back for years. This doesn’t even take into account that Peavy wants to stay in the NL, where he’s nice and comfy. He’d be a disaster (relatively speaking, for the price that it took to acquire him) in the AL.
we still have hughes if we sign dempster/perez.
you are funny. Cubs will retain Dempster, and Perez will surely get slapped around in the AL. I wouldn’t want Perez on the Yankees..
bru, that was kinda incoherent.
you all are putting a little bit too much faith in Hughes, IMO. Injured or not, he didn’t show us anything all that impressive last year at the MLB level.
He should be in the bullpen if you ask me…let him prove himself there as a set up man or something. The rotation shoudl be the plan for late 2009 or the start of 2010.
Kennedy is even further behind and I am pretty much throwing in the towel on that arrogant little prick anyways.
Anything said by players and their agents at this point is just to drive up prices. Yet so many take them at their word.
He should be in the bullpen if you ask me…let him prove himself there as a set up man or something. The rotation shoudl be the plan for late 2009 or the start of 2010.
NO he shouldn’t. we got other arms to be a set up man, like Melancon, Cox, Sanchez.
Our rotation will look something like this:
Sabathia/Burnett
Wang
Pettitte
Joba
Lowe/Hughes (unfortunately)
Although, who knows, someone like Aceves or someone on the farm might get plugged in there at some point, given the opportunity.
What is the word on Horne? Anyone?
“trisha – RAYS IN 3! (yes I know it’s a 7 game series…)
October 17th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
If I found I could be a lot more successful in the NL as a pitcher because frankly it’s an easier row to hoe and on top of it I liked hitting, hell I’d opt for the NL. I don’t think it has much to do with “not wanting to pitch for the Yankees.†I’d tell you that players who don’t want to play for the Yankees are like hens teeth”
you said it’s easier to score a ho?
that might work.
Ed,
What has happened since we’ve rushed Hughes into the rotation? Apart from the start in Texas when he pulled the hammy and the playoff game against Cleveland, he has not looked consistent, dominant, or anything positive that warrants throwing him in the rotation right now.
No thanks. Make him earn it.
mel
we need solid pitchers not 5 aces.
you keep saying no to every pitcher out there.dempster,perez will eat innings and keep us in games plus we could have sabathia and we will have wang with joba in the 5th spot and hughes hanging around.
there are only a few good fa pitchers available and we are not guaranteed to get any of them and a trade for any decent pitcher will cost us too much.
the idea is to keep hughes,ajax,montero,brackman,melancon.
if we can sign
sabathia
dempster/perez/burnett that is all we need.
we need to also find out what pettitte and moose wan’t to do.i wouldn’t mind a rotation of
sabathia
wang
dempster
mussina
joba
hughes
Also Ed,
How do you know that Sanchez, Cox, or Melancon are going to pan out for the bullpen?
I can’t believe people are even talking about Cox in the pen right now. Melancon is the only guy of those three that should be considered presently. The others are 40 man roster additions who need more time in AAA.
Stop hyping up our prospects and trying to rush them to the ML.
Mad Prince, as I said in an earlier thread most of the time I only get to hit and run here (as opposed to people who are here steadily during the day) so I haven’t really thoroughly read the threads about Peavy. But there seems to be a lot of interest in signing him. I am saying to those people, in light of hearing that he wants to stay in the NL, you might as well give it up since realistically it doesn’t look like he’s coming here. In addition, the people who were interested in obtaining Peavy seemed to be putting together unrealistic trade packages. I guess I am with the minority (?) who believe that Hughes is definitely not going to be traded.
I pointed out the seeming desire of certain pitchers to stay in the NL – something I find entirely understandable – as a way of saying that perhaps people are also barking up the wrong tree to think CC wants to leave his comfortable environs. I am not saying that the Yanks would be going after him anyway since I have no way of knowing what the Yankee interest is. I tend to disbelieve everything but what I hear from the organization, unless it comes from someone like a player’s agent, or of course the player himself.
Don’t you find that fans oftentimes have extremely unrealistic expectations in terms of what they want to happen, and more often than not, the team never ends up going in the direction that fans “demand”? I think that some fans are so desperate to win the world series again that they come up with things that will never happen. Then they seem disappointed that their expectations aren’t met.
I think there is wisdom in playing the wait and see game. Then you don’t build yourself up for a major disappointment, or worse, start trashing the organization when it doesn’t do what you think it should do! (fans in general that is).
Just some thoughts on the matter.
bru,
already giving Pettitte the axe? wow.
i also want to state that I have faith in Hughes’s abilities, but we made the mistake of rushing him in the first place. Let’s make sure he is ready this time around…
If we can get Moose AND Pettite back, then that makes things a lot more flexible in other areas of need.
You then have:
Sabathia/Burnett
Wang
Pettitte
Moose
Joba
Healthy=LEGIT for 2009 w/o breaking the bank on more than one FA.
Stop hyping up our prospects and trying to rush them to the ML.
ugh…where’s my post?
I’m not hyping nothing, I’m just saying we got other arms to be the setup man!
“Anything said by players and their agents at this point is just to drive up prices. Yet so many take them at their word.”
As if the price for Peavy needed to be driven up. That’s a riot. Here’s a P.S. It is just possible that he wants to stay in the NL!
Trisha,
I totally agree about the fans’ completely irrational expectations/scenarios regarding trading for superstars.
Its become absolutely absurd over the past couple years.
Good points, I think I just misunderstood you.
If the Yankees get CC, Peavy will be a non-issue. The Yankees need to go all out if you are not going to drain the system for Peavy then you need to give a 100% effort to get CC no tepid interest a full court press.
the yankees are not getting peavey imo.
the padres wan’t 2 pitchers and they will have to be good and a near ready centerfielder wich is what the yankees need plus he will wan’t to be compensated for waiving his ntc.
the yankees would be crazy to give up hughes,another pitcher,maybe kennedy,a near ready centerfielder if they have one and extend his contract while giving him a huge raise.
if moose and or pettitte come back,they sign sabathia and another decent fa pitcher or trade for one pitcher without giving up joba,hughes,ajax,montero they will be fine.
AL -
wassup dude.
Ed,
You’re hyping up Hughes.
Everyone on here wants him to do well, but why rush that?
We’re going to be active on the FA market with starting pitchers, so why not take our time and ease him into the role instead of laying pressure on him to step right in (whether he thnks he can or not).
Let him spot start for guys like Joba or whoever else they need to be cautionary with.
Hughes will likely pan out, but he needs to earn it and he has not done that.
“you said it’s easier to score a ho?
that might work.”
I want to believe that Moose is coming back.
Here is my rotation to start out the season:
Pettitte (don’t want him but he says he wants to come back and I fear he’ll be signed)
Moose
Wang
Joba
Burnett
In the wings and ready to come up: Hughes
No to Peavy
You’re hyping up Hughes.
how am I hyping up Hughes? Sure, I want Hughes to succeed, it doesn’t consider as a hype. To have Hughes be in the 2009 rotation, he would have to earn it this time.
I understand the focus should be on pitching, but our hitting was piss poor. They need Tex+ to get this offense back on track.
“AL -
wassup dude.”
I’m alright. Sick of hearing the boo-hooing by the “Joba is a reliever” crowd. Joba was a starter his whole career prior to last season where he was converted to reliever to fill a need. People who are against him starting act as if he didn’t start a game in his life before this year. I thought he looked great as a starter and he gets a shoulder cramp/flare up and everyone thinks he should relieve because its safer. I tend to disagree he is a max-effort guy and he in fact through slower when he started in the 94-96 mph range when he relieved it was constantly 97-triple digits. Most importantly he wants to start he at least deserves another shot.
Al -
I definitely know what you mean. This Mad Prince guy thinks I was overhyping Hughes which I wasn’t. As for Joba for being a starter, I’m all for it.
Al,
Agree. Not to mention, he didn’t have his normal velocity at all after he was moved back to the pen in September (they probably told him not go all out) and he was STILL dominating opposing hitters even with a decreased FB. His breaking stuff is just filthy, he has come such a long way.
If you are saying Hughes is anything more than a #3, then yes you are overhyping up.
But saying he is a #3 is not overhyping him at all, infact thats what he SHOULD be.
all depends on expectations.
There are a bunch of NL teams with prospects that can deal for Peavy. The Yankees aren’t the only game in town. We need to focus on Sabathia. When the Yankees focus on the player they want, they usually get him.
I still dont understand all the hype of austin jackson
he is a nice player but untouchable? so just because we have no position players in the farm we have to resort to making solid, not spectacular players like jackson untouchable?
montero and joba should be the only untouchables in the whole farm.
Lowe, Dempster, and Perez are all less effective pitchers than Mussina or Pettitte. Burnett has better pitches than Mussina or Pettitte, but he will need a long term contract and has serious injury problems. CC Sabathia is the ONLY free agent pitcher that the Yankees should go after.
CC, Wang, Joba, Hughes, Pettitte, and Mussina are 6 starters that give the Yankees a better chance to win than Lowe, Dempster, and Perez. Then, the Yankees have Aceves, Coke, Rasner, Kennedy, and Wright available for injuries and innings limits.
Lowe is our 3rd option, behind Burnett and CC.
Then again, if we don’t land CC, our chances for next year are not optimistic anyway (especially with Joba on 120 innings limits and skipping a ton of starts and no Mussina ), so we might as well not even spend money on Lowe and give somebody like Aceves the spot because we’re not going to contend seriously anyway.
I’d rather have Manny over Lowe. You’ll get much more out of your investment for Manny than you will for Lowe. They are the same age anyway.
The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
October 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
bru, that was kinda incoherent.
you all are putting a little bit too much faith in Hughes, IMO. Injured or not, he didn’t show us anything all that impressive last year at the MLB level.
He should be in the bullpen if you ask me…let him prove himself there as a set up man or something. The rotation shoudl be the plan for late 2009 or the start of 2010.
Kennedy is even further behind and I am pretty much throwing in the towel on that arrogant little prick anyways.
what i am saying is sign 2 fa pitchers,hopefully sabathia or whoever it is.i will use sabathia and burnett for an example even though it would cost the yankees 38 million a year.sign sabathia,burnett.now you have a rotation of
sabathia
wang
burnett
pettitte/mussina
joba and hughes as backup with less pressure.
if he doesn’t cut it then no harm becaue we already have 5 or 6 starters if both pettitte and mussina come back.this is not relying on hughes at all.
almost every single pitcher in history struggles in the early years.santanna,seaver.the list is almost endless.
you can’t judge hughes on a small sample.
he was the best pitcher in the minor leagues for years with unheard of control.
he led in whip numbers or was on the top of the list for his entire minor league career.
i personally think he will be real good,just a gut feeling.
it is not smart to trade away all our prospects when they are close when we can sign a few pitchers,maybe sign one and trade for one while keeping hughes,ajax,montero,melancon, and maybe brackman.
the yankees have a lot of draft picks coming and some of these players will pan out.
i only suggest keeping the upper prospects.
if the right trade comes along then maybe we do it but i would not trade hughes,another pitcher or two,a near ready centerfielder,extend his contract and give him a raise for a peavey when we can sign pitchers wich will cost the same,maybe a little more and keep our prospects.
you win with debth and a combination of fa a homegrown players.
trading for peavey seems like we would be going backwards.
Hughes is a 3 at best. However he shouldn’t be traded for Peavy only for a STUD position player and the deal would have to be straight-up.
Hughes is a 3 at best. However he shouldn’t be traded for Peavy only for a STUD position player and the deal would have to be straight-up. By stud position player I mean: Votto, Bruce, Ethier/Loney/Kemp.
The intention of any team is to be better but rather than issue a hollow statement, why didn’t a front office type say in what areas ?
For obvious reasons they can’t mention names but positions to be fixed would help the fanbase with enthusiasm of ideas.
Al, is the “Whine all you want Mike” quote in your name a reference to Francessa complaining about Joba in the rotation?
Agree 100% al
hughes shold be shopped for votto, bruce, or the dodgers’ trio
“Al, is the “Whine all you want Mike†quote in your name a reference to Francessa complaining about Joba in the rotation?”
Of course.
Ed – looking forward to 2009
October 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
we still have hughes if we sign dempster/perez.
you are funny. Cubs will retain Dempster, and Perez will surely get slapped around in the AL. I wouldn’t want Perez on the Yankees
i am so glad you know it all.
how do you know who is going to be resigned or not?
you might be right but we need to try to sign 2 pitchers.sabathia is on the top of the list.
what if dempster tells his agent to take the best offer and the yankees outbid everyone?
point being,you do not know who is going to be resigned or not.
i said sign 2 pitchers,i don’t know who they might be but people like you have a problem with any name put on the table.
the bottom line is that the yankees will get pitching.all i suggest is that they do it wisely.wether it be sabathia,burnett,dempster,perez or whoever.
i also realize that if they go after them hard enough they will get two of them.
i am not claiming i have all the answers or know what every pitcher in baseball might do like you seem to.
“Agree 100% al
hughes shold be shopped for votto, bruce, or the dodgers’ trio”
Out of all those players I’d love Votto.
NO to Dempster/Perez. NL pitchers outside of Derek Lowe should stay away from the Yanks wish-list.
lol he rehashed the Joba thing again? Typical Francessa. He has no idea who Melancon or Sanchez are. He didn’t even know who Phil Coke was even Kim Jones mentioned him.
He couldn’t tell the difference between Humberto Sanchez and Brett Gardner if they were standing next to eachother and wearing name tags
Did anyone watch Dempster in the playoffs?
He is a 32 yr old journeyman who is having a good season in a contract year. Signing him would trump Wright, Pavano, Brown etc.
“NL pitchers outside of Lowe should stay away from the Yanks wish-list.”
Why? I agree that Dempster and Perez would be bad options, but don’t understand why you think Lowe could be good. He was terrible his last year in the AL. His numbers away from LA are bad. He pitches in the weakest hitting division in baseball, and he’s old. It’s also been reported that he doesn’t want to pitch in NY.
Ryan Garko is still on the wishlist, right Al? a young solid 1B.
Ed – looking forward to 2009
October 17th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
He should be in the bullpen if you ask me…let him prove himself there as a set up man or something. The rotation shoudl be the plan for late 2009 or the start of 2010.
NO he shouldn’t. we got other arms to be a set up man, like Melancon, Cox, Sanchez.
nice to see a smart statement.
the yankees have 30 good bullpen arms.they could be the best and depest bullpen in baseball with several more pitchers coming.
look for teams to come knocking on the yankees door for bullpen help.
hughes can become a good pitcher.wasting him in the pen is not the way to go.
a pitcher goes to the pen if he can’t handle starting or injuries are a concern.
joba needs to be a starter.starting pitching is the most important.you do not waste talent like that in the bullpen unless he shows he can’t handle it.
if that was the case santanna,sabathia would be in the pen.
“lol he rehashed the Joba thing again? Typical Francessa. He has no idea who Melancon or Sanchez are. He didn’t even know who Phil Coke was even Kim Jones mentioned him.
He couldn’t tell the difference between Humberto Sanchez and Brett Gardner if they were standing next to eachother and wearing name tags”
Mike is too focused on the NFL to actually pay attention to the Yanks. He wouldn’t know who Robertson or Sanchez were if you told him. Also he wouldn’t know a thing about Coke especially since Doggy left
“Ryan Garko is still on the wishlist, right Al? a young solid 1B.”
Of course he is Ed. I just wanted to rip Francessa in my handle.
The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
October 17th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
bru,
already giving Pettitte the axe? wow.
i also want to state that I have faith in Hughes’s abilities, but we made the mistake of rushing him in the first place. Let’s make sure he is ready this time around…
If we can get Moose AND Pettite back, then that makes things a lot more flexible in other areas of need.
You then have:
Sabathia/Burnett
Wang
Pettitte
Moose
Joba
Healthy=LEGIT for 2009 w/o breaking the bank on more than one FA
hughes needs to face ml players.that is not rushing him as long as we don’t slot him at number 3 or 4 and say go get us 15 wins.
he will not learn anything in the minors now.
the adjustments need to be made on the major league level.
i am so glad you know it all.
just stopped reading right after that. thanks for claiming me as “know it all”. I’m not even claiming nothing. I was just talking from my opinions.
also, who would copy and paste of what you said.? you know I could just scroll up.
Francessa knows a thing or two about (diet) coke.
Al -
who cares about Francessa! he’s just being an idiot, just daydreams about having Aaroyo on the Yanks.
No thanks on Garko, not a difference maker. Yankees offense stunk last year. You need to think bigger then that.
teams Peavy would accept a trade (per Buster Onley)
St Louis
Atlanta
Chicago
Houston
LA Dodgers
thankful he didn’t name NYY.
If we put Alan Horne on the trade market, would he be able to get us back Mike Lamb?
lamb lol oy vey
“No thanks on Garko, not a difference maker. Yankees offense stunk last year. You need to think bigger then that.”
You mean Mark Teixiera? Boras is going to hold the Yanks at gun-point for Tex, 150 mil at least. That money needs to be spent on multiple starting pitchers.
Don’t know if this was reported already, but Heyman said on WFAN that the Yankees are going to ask Bowa to come back. He seems to think that Bowa will accept. I’ll believe this when I see it.
ok so your solution is a first baseman with less then a 350 obp? brilliant!
No thanks on Garko, not a difference maker. Yankees offense stunk last year. You need to think bigger then that.
Garko bats over 300 in RISP with a 350 OBP. besides that, he has a good glove.
i would rather pay tex 20 million a year for a top 15 ops bat then a below avg hitting first baseman. these are not the royals these are the yankees. money is not an object.
less then a 350 obp at a position where you expect offense from. that is garbage.
Scott –
please go here:
http://thebaseballcube.com/pla.....arko.shtml
the guy couldn’t even get to 15 home runs and you want that loser as our first baseman. man thank god you are not running the yankees.
lol oh even better a 750 ops. it gets better and better. he is not even a league avg hitting first baseman. wow.
The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
October 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
bru, that was kinda incoherent.
you all are putting a little bit too much faith in Hughes, IMO. Injured or not, he didn’t show us anything all that impressive last year at the MLB level.
He should be in the bullpen if you ask me…let him prove himself there as a set up man or something. The rotation shoudl be the plan for late 2009 or the start of 2010.
Kennedy is even further behind and I am pretty much throwing in the towel on that arrogant little prick anyways.
i am glad that general managers and managers didn’t give up on santanna,liriano and all the other future hall of famers after they had a bad year or three.
very few pitchers start out great out of the gate.
it takes a certain amount of time if it happens at all but one thing is for sure they have to get the innings and experience in or it simply can’t happen.
how else are we going to find out if hughes will make it or not? let him pitch 75 innings and then trade every pitcher who does not have good numbers?
it doesn’t work that way.
a pitcher can stink one year and win the cy young the next.
hughes is learning and developing pitches,it takes time.
another thing about putting him in the bullpen is that you won’t know if he can be a good starter until he proves himself as a starter so having a starting pitcher in the bullpen actually slows his developement because yo can be good in the pen with 2 pitcher but as a starter that won’t cut it.a transition would have to be made also wich takes time.
so the idea i guess is to make the yankees offense worse then last year. lets not improve the offense lets make it worse. my god.
I wouldn’t mind signing Teixiera but the contract isn’t worth it.
1st priority is replacing girardi
what free agent is going to want to play for girardi with all the no candy rules?
please, start by telling CC there will be candy in the clubhouse!!
plus even if they do decide they will tolerate girardi, why waste their talent on girardi and his attempts to tame his players?
you can be good in the pen with 2 pitches but as a starter that won’t cut it.a transition would have to be made also wich takes time.
“i would rather pay tex 20 million a year for a top 15 ops bat then a below avg hitting first baseman. these are not the royals these are the yankees. money is not an object.”
The Yankees if you haven’t noticed aren’t spending money like they used to and the only way to get a good 1B would be to sign Tex for the absolute max(which Cash wont do) or trade Hughes for the likes of Votto/Loney. Garko isn’t that bad he hit 21 homers a few years back and he has a great glove, something the Yanks havent had in years.
for a top 15 ops first baseman (tex) and a gold glove caliber fielder it is very much worth it. he is basically giambi in his prime with a little less power and he is a much better hitter then tino martinez ever was.
Scott:
you sold me on Garko.
however, i still like Blalock as my first choice.
again boys and girls, a 750 ops for a first baseman is horse crap. that is not league avg and will make the offense even worse!
I am disappointed. I don’t mean to insult but I really thought I would find intelligent Yankee posters on here. This is ridulous that people want a 750 ops first baseman on this roster. Mind boggling.
so the idea i guess is to make the yankees offense worse then last year. lets not improve the offense lets make it worse. my god.
you do know Matsui and Posada were down most of the season, right?
“so the idea i guess is to make the yankees offense worse then last year. lets not improve the offense lets make it worse. my god.”
Dude you are being totally ignorant. If A-Rod hit like he should have and Cano didn’t stink up the joint the offense would have been way better also Posada being out doesn’t help. Tex is a tremendous player but you can’t take it as a given that the Yanks will throw 150 mil at this guy. This is why you need plan B.
and your idea of a Plan B is to sign a below avg first baseman? come on now. Cashman isn’t stupid.
Matsui and Posada are older. Yeah we will be better but by how much? and we will most likely be losing one of our best hitters in Abreu (not that it is saying much)
cool pictures
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so let’s say, the Yanks failed to acquire Teixiera and resigned Giambi. You will be complaining why Cashman didn’t even bother trading for a 1B.
I will not play for the Yankees if there is no candy in the clubhouse. CC likes his candy, and always has hisself a couple of reeces pieces, and snickers bars before a big game. I don’t pitch with no low blood suger!
he will get a solid first baseman. I have no doubt. Its a glaring hole for the team and it needs to get filled.
also if for some reason we don’t get sabathia I bet he goes all out to get Tex. Even so I am sure he will explore what it will take to get him. Tex was top 12 in the majors in OPS. Those type of hitters don’t grow on trees. A 390+ obp is awesome.
Al from BK(OFF-SEASON GOALS: GET CC, FIND A REAL FIRST BASEMAN. WHINE ALL YOU WANT MIKE, JOBAS A STARTER.)
October 17th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Hughes is a 3 at best. However he shouldn’t be traded for Peavy only for a STUD position player and the deal would have to be straight-up. By stud position player I mean: Votto, Bruce, Ethier/Loney/Kemp.
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If Hughes is only “a 3 at best”, why would any team trade a Votto, Bruce, Eithier/Loney/Kemp type?
“he will get a solid first baseman. I have no doubt. Its a glaring hole for the team and it needs to get filled.”
Ok I get it you hate Garko. What is your back-up plan if Cash cant land Tex? Just letting you know if you want to trade for an offensively gifted 1B Votto/Loney it WILL cost you Hughes.
if u look at the red sox they got alot of high obp players. the more obp players the better your chances are of scoring and producing a more consistent offense. Not to mention from what I have seen Tex can hit very good pitchers.
I want Teixeria or Manny, but lets be real, Cashman isin’t spending money on either of them, he is too conservative.
Let’s just hope he doesn’t go into ST with Miranda and Ransom as our 1B. I’d MUCH rather have Garko than some AAA players.
Hostess cupcakes CC also likes, and twinkies.
joba is not in the farm system and austin jackson is potentially a 5 tool player.
one scout said he was the best defensive outfielder in his league.
the yankees don’t have any other good outfield prospects that are close.
if we can sign a good young one i would be all for trading jackson for someone.
we had pena from the rays in our system,navarro also.
“Al from BK(OFF-SEASON GOALS: GET CC, FIND A REAL FIRST BASEMAN. WHINE ALL YOU WANT MIKE, JOBAS A STARTER.)
October 17th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Hughes is a 3 at best. However he shouldn’t be traded for Peavy only for a STUD position player and the deal would have to be straight-up. By stud position player I mean: Votto, Bruce, Ethier/Loney/Kemp.
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If Hughes is only “a 3 at bestâ€, why would any team trade a Votto, Bruce, Eithier/Loney/Kemp type?”
Because other organizations likely still view him as a blue-chip prospect. Its just my opinion that hes a 3 at best sorry if you disagree with my opinion.
I get Tex. If I can’t get Tex I explore Price Fielder or Adrian Gonalez. Both of whom should be available via trade. I would see if I could trade Cano before I trade Hughes. At least Orlando Hudson is a decent stop gap at second until our Single A kids are ready.
What I likes about Milwaukee is that it’s the cheese state, like Cheese Cake…CC…MMMMMM
Just get a 2-way 1B who can hit and field well. Can hit both types of pitching and has some pop.
Not someone like Miranda please, I said a 1B that can field and hit both types of pitching.
CC,
NYC has some of the best cheesecake in the world, come on down!
I waiting for Texiera to sign with the Yankees first, cause then I don’t have to run to first base as much.
If I can’t get Tex I explore Price Fielder or Adrian Gonalez.
Prince Fielder = DH in the AL. he makes Giambi look like a gold glover.
CC loves hisself some cheescake, with cherries.
Scott: Cashman just text’d me from his new Iphone/3g. We’re not getting Texeria. Sorry.
Blalock or Garko, it is.
Scott: Cashman just text’d me from his new Iphone/3g. We’re not getting Texeria. Sorry.
Blalock or Garko, it is.
same here.
What’s this talk of some Prince Fielder? Back in Milwaukee, he’d be the first to hit the buffet spread, and he leave no biscuits for CC. He ate all my biscuits…Prince Fielder!
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“CC Sabathia
October 17th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
CC loves hisself some cheescake, with cherries”
what-up big CC:
do you like NY pizza. We have traditional/thin. Or, Sicilian. Your choice.
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Sup Vinny B, CC like hisself some pizza, all kinds, double cheese, extra gravy!
Insane pictures!!
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jennifer –
thanks. wow, how quickly the new stadium is almost done building. it seems like yesterday when they broke ground.
“I get Tex. If I can’t get Tex I explore Price Fielder or Adrian Gonalez. Both of whom should be available via trade. I would see if I could trade Cano before I trade Hughes. At least Orlando Hudson is a decent stop gap at second until our Single A kids are ready.”
So you want to trade an all star 2B for Prince Fielder who can barely run to cover the bag brilliant man you got it figured out.
The new stadium’s so beautiful, but where’s the place for the lumberjack to slide down into the beer keg?
The Yankees can sign CC, Teixeira, and Pettitte or Mussina and keep the pay roll around $180 million. Offer Abreu, Marte, Giambi, and Rodriguez and let them know they will be cut before the season begins. Get draft picks for all of them. Thats 3 1st round picks and 4 sandwich round picks. The next year, Matsui, Damon, Nady and Pettitte/Mussina would be free agents, freeing up around $40 million. Then Mariano becomes a free agent. The year after that, Posada is a free agent. Eventually Wang, Joba, and Hughes will get big contracts, but it’s not unrealistic to think the Yankees can sign CC and Tex and keep the pay roll under control.
Now it looks like a stadium. I’m a little surprised they planted grass now so close to winter.
You have to build a team to compete with the Sox and Rays. Develop a young squad. It takes more than one year to catch up after so many years of GS’s mismanagement. Buying all these free agents will not get a big hit in the clutch. They need young starters and solid relief until everyday gamers can be aquired.
Heyman is like a stockbroker, the more trades the more he likes it.
jennifer: thank you, for the pics.
anyone know, what the ‘white’ boards are on both sides of the large video screen?
“anyone know, what the ‘white’ boards are on both sides of the large video screen”
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I think they haven’t finished putting in the away score boards.
i see the yankees signing tex,cc and getting one more pitcher,taking their chances with gardner in center.
i would much rather trade cano for gonzalez if possible,signing a second baseman or moving jeter to second and finding a shortstop.
get adrian gonzalez(trade cano)
sign sabathia
get another pitcher(sign or trade)
sign pettitte and or mussina
sign a second baseman or shortstop
lineup
damon
jeter
gonzalez
arod
matsui
nady
posada
new second baseman or shortstop
gardner
rotation
sabathia
wang
mussina/burnett/dempster/perez/lowe
pettitte/burnett/dempster/perez/lowe
joba
hughes
And I just read they are having an exhibition game at the new Stadium in early April!
jennifer
October 17th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Now it looks like a stadium. I’m a little surprised they planted grass now so close to winter.
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The grass is very hearty, Jennifer. It’s a hubrid combination of rye, Kentucky Bluegrass and Sensamia. Play on it or smoke it. To bad for Giambi. It’s a few years too late.
Let’s be realistic about the payroll. The Yankees can carry a 250M payroll if the had too. So money is almost no object to them. They’re going to be printing money up next year.
“The Yankees if you haven’t noticed aren’t spending money like they used to and the only way to get a good 1B would be to sign Tex for the absolute max(which Cash wont do) or trade Hughes for the likes of Votto/Loney.”
If I remember correctly the Yankees payroll this past year was 209mil, so when exactly have they stopped spending money? I’ll believe they’ll lower their payroll when I see it.
As I said last night Ryan Garko is a below average 1st baseman. That is not how you get better, especially when their is a first baseman who’s available and is one of the best first baseman in the league.
A guy I work with thinks it was a union decision to plant the grass this time of year.
Speaking of grass, how is boise allowed to have blue turf. It looks terrible, but i’m sure it’s distracting to visitors.
***The grass is very hearty, Jennifer. It’s a hybrid combination***
“Because other organizations likely still view him as a blue-chip prospect. Its just my opinion that hes a 3 at best sorry if you disagree with my opinion.”
He’s not the only one. Dozens have scouts have said that at WORST he’s a number 2.
I’ll take their word over yours any day of the week.
““The Yankees if you haven’t noticed aren’t spending money like they used to and the only way to get a good 1B would be to sign Tex for the absolute max(which Cash wont do) or trade Hughes for the likes of Votto/Loney.â€
If I remember correctly the Yankees payroll this past year was 209mil, so when exactly have they stopped spending money? I’ll believe they’ll lower their payroll when I see it.
As I said last night Ryan Garko is a below average 1st baseman. That is not how you get better, especially when their is a first baseman who’s available and is one of the best first baseman in the league.”
They didn’t trade for Johan when they could have last year. They are holding onto prospects and being a bit more restrained. I think Cashman is influencing the team a little too much. I somehow get a bad feeling that Cash won’t be agressive in getting FA’s.
I guess it is better to plant it now, other wise it would be too late for the open of the season?
“The grass is very hearty, Jennifer. It’s a hubrid combination of rye, Kentucky Bluegrass and Sensamia. Play on it or smoke it. To bad for Giambi. It’s a few years too late”
lol, GreenBeret. Half-way through the sentence, thought you may have been goin there.
“He’s not the only one. Dozens have scouts have said that at WORST he’s a number 2.
I’ll take their word over yours any day of the week.”
Your not hurting my feelings.
jennifer
October 17th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
I guess it is better to plant it now, other wise it would be too late for the open of the season?
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Actually, I believe that it is sod and not seeded.
“They didn’t trade for Johan when they could have last year. They are holding onto prospects and being a bit more restrained. I think Cashman is influencing the team a little too much. I somehow get a bad feeling that Cash won’t be agressive in getting FA’s.”
It wasn’t because of money why they didn’t trade for Johan. The Yankees offered Hughes and the GM from Minny got greedy.
How many times does this have to be rehashed. The Yankees were willing to trade for Johan until the Minny GM started screwing with them. Money was never the object. It was money and the prospects they wanted besides Hughes.
“Your not hurting my feelings.”
Not trying to really.
vinny-b
October 17th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
“The grass is very hearty, Jennifer. It’s a hubrid combination of rye, Kentucky Bluegrass and Sensamia. Play on it or smoke it. To bad for Giambi. It’s a few years too lateâ€
lol, GreenBeret. Half-way through the sentence, thought you may have been goin there.
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I have NY connections. I was sent a sample to see if it was worthy of Giambi’s enjoyment.
In the words of John Sterling: “WHOAAA!!!”
Juan Miranda will be the first baseman long before Mr. 750 OPS.
Al,
You really sound silly when you say Hughes is a 3 and then in the same breath say he should be traded for a stud 1B.
saucy: I hate it too. It really detracts, from the game on tv.
remember reading an article a few years back, citings the mulitiudes of birds which would regularly plunge to their death (mistaking it for a body of water) Now, official word is, that has never been confirmed. $$$ money talks.
“I have NY connections. I was sent a sample to see if it was worthy of Giambi’s enjoyment.
In the words of John Sterling: “WHOAAA!!!”
raymagnetic: you sound kinda hostile.
“Al,
You really sound silly when you say Hughes is a 3 and then in the same breath say he should be traded for a stud 1B.”
Obviously many pro scouts see Hughes as a big time ace type guy still and this would mean that other teams would love to have him on their team. I personally don’t think hes better than mid-rotation however my opinion means nothing. Although I dont find him to be the be all end all of prospects I do admit that he carries alot of trade value.
hey Vinny, ever recieved the email from Sherman?
vinny b,
Which part of my post sounds kinda hostile?
Ed: no brother. I turned the porch light off.
vinny: ok, then yeah Sherman doesn’t like responding back. so far, i know only Kat O’Brien and Pete would respond back.
So Peavy wants to stay in the NL because it’s easier…way to challenge yourself, Jake. Well, if he doesn’t want to be here, I don’t want him.
This is why most fans are cretins.
Peavy is only a year younger than Santana, doesn’t have half the success that Santana has, plays in the NL, plays in a pitchers park, is a righty, and everyone is suggesting we trade for him but was against the Santana trade.
Nobody understands it. Until the Yankees get a proven ace who has handled the AL, ie Santana/Sabathia who can dominate a lineup, this team will go nowhere. Cashman doesn’t get it and neither do most of the armchair GMs.
I dont want Peavy if he doesnt want to come. He is already a big game choker in the NL. Just what we need. A guy who doesn’t want to be here and blows in big games. Plus spending money AND prospects. Might as well go after free agents.
“Peavy is only a year younger than Santana, doesn’t have half the success that Santana has”
Great point. ‘Cept he’s two years younger and has had more than half the success Santana has had.
“get adrian gonzalez(trade cano)”
Pads would laugh hysterically at the notion.
if getting peavy means we have to trade hughes then no deal,especially if we have to be beg him
we already have to beg sabathia, sheez leave us with some dignity lol
hopefully the organization gets it done
so whats the word on brett gardner?
do you want him to be the center fielder or no? i love damon but id prefer to see brett or possibly someone else there any day, but not damon
I think Melky will have a big year next year, I could see him putting up Andre Ethier numbers.
Fredo this is why the Don never wanted you to run anything.
Peavy has never had a WHIP under 1.0, ever. Santana has done it 3 times.
Peavy has gotten 240K’s once. Santana has been in the 240 range 4 times.
And thats before you even consider that Peavy plays in the NL and Santana achieved those stats in the AL. And that Kei Igawa could be successful in Petco Park.
They are apples to oranges pitchers. I’m not saying Peavy isn’t a good pitcher, but you gotta be completely clueless to want to trade for Peavy but not for Santana. Makes absolutely no sense.
Pads would laugh hysterically at the notion.
Then they’d follow up by sending us a pic of Adrian and a bottle of lubriderm w/ a box of tissues.
Bottom of the seventh
Pitcher change: Grant Balfour replaces Scott Kazmir.
• Jed Lowrie doubles on a line drive to right fielder Gabe Gross.
• Jason Varitek flies out to center fielder B.J. Upton.
• Mark Kotsay flies out to center fielder B.J. Upton.
• Coco Crisp singles on a ground ball to left fielder Carl Crawford. Jed Lowrie to 3rd.
• Dustin Pedroia singles on a line drive to right fielder Gabe Gross. Jed Lowrie scores. Coco Crisp to 3rd. Rays lead, 7-1.
• David Ortiz homers on a fly ball to right field. Coco Crisp scores. Dustin Pedroia scores. Rays lead, 7-4.
Pitcher change: Dan Wheeler replaces Grant Balfour.
• Kevin Youkilis flies out to right fielder Gabe Gross.
Bottom of the eighth
• Jason Bay walks.
• J.D. Drew homers on a fly ball to right field. Jason Bay scores. Rays lead, 7-6.
• Jed Lowrie flies out to left fielder Carl Crawford.
Offensive substitution: Pinch-hitter Sean Casey replaces Jason Varitek.
• Sean Casey strikes out swinging.
• Mark Kotsay doubles on a fly ball to center fielder B. J. Upton.
• Coco Crisp singles on a line drive to right fielder Gabe Gross. Mark Kotsay scores. Coco Crisp out at 2nd on the throw, right fielder Gabe Gross to first baseman Carlos Pena to shortstop Jason Bartlett. Score tied, 7-7.
Bottom of the ninth
Pitcher change: J.P. Howell replaces Dan Wheeler.
• Dustin Pedroia grounds out, third baseman Evan Longoria to shortstop Jason Bartlett to first baseman Carlos Pena.
• David Ortiz strikes out swinging.
• Kevin Youkilis singles on a ground ball to third baseman Evan Longoria. Kevin Youkilis advances to 2nd, on throwing error by Longoria.
• J.P. Howell intentionally walks Jason Bay.
• J. D. Drew singles on a line drive to right fielder Gabe Gross. Kevin Youkilis scores. Jason Bay to 3rd. Red Sox win, 8-7.
Then they’d follow up by sending us a pic of Adrian and a bottle of lubriderm w/ a box of tissues.
lol hahas.
Man the Pacers and Wizards are better this year.
Just got caught up with reading on this post. I have a headache now.
Bru, dude! When you cut and paste someone else’s post, it’s really hard to see where your thoughts start. It all runs together. Could you do us a favor and use quotes around other people’s post? Or put a line in between. I’d like to read what you write.
Brandon -
you mean the Pacers are actually playing better with out Reggie Miller? lol
Can we talk about something other than Jake Peavy?
Doesn’t want to come here
Won’t be close to the pitcher here as he is in SD
Isn’t that great in the first place
This thread became a mess a long time ago….
Mel -
let me summarize, what bru said: trade half the farm for power hitting 1B who can’t field. let’s sign FA such as Dempster and Perez, forget about CC and AJ. and stop being a “know it all”
miggs -
you are right. this is what happens when an superstar is on a trade market leaked, when the playoffs isn’t over.
“may take a look at top free-agent outfielder Manny Ramirez,”
Hmmmmm. Let the games begin!!! Let Boros know “we’ll open the door and peek in”. It’s garden variety negotiations. As Joel S pointed out today, there is an “NY” in “ManNY” as well as a “NYman”. Anagrams tell us a lot. Don’t bet against it!!
Ed, Yup it looks like Larry Legend can build a young core, have you seen Brandon Rush ?
I read a few weeks ago that the Yankees may turn Joba loose in 2009… meaning they won’t adhere strictly to the “increase of 30-40 innings a year” theory.
I agree completely. I’m not saying he’s going to throw 200 innings, but I think its time to take off the kid gloves. You can only baby a guy for so long.
Stop jerking him around from the pen to the rotation and back to the pen. Just stick him in the rotation and let him pitch. The guy has phenomenal stuff. I would only consider moving him to the pen if he breaks down repeatedly over the next few years. I’d give him every chance to start.
miggs,
According to Joba, he’s pitched higher innings in the minors, so he’s not necessarily thinking that ‘08 is the threshold to bump up. He’s got a point.
I’ll try to find his career stats.
Say no to Manny…he is a heartbreaker and will screw the team who trusts him with a 4 year contract.
Say no to Peavy too. Not worth the prospects and money.
Target FA starters, 1B, and maybe CF.
Brandon -
not really, I seen highlights of him. All I could say is that he has superstar written all over him. He could definitely make a run at ROTY.
Knicks looked great tonight
Ewing JR got some playing time, had a nasty putback ,
Knicks looked great tonight
…in the preseason. until they string a winning streak when the season begins, i will take back my word that they still stink with “Mr.Pringles”.
I doubt Pads are even thinking about trading Gonzo.
I’d give up Hughes AND Kennedy for him.
are you gon’ get in the truck?
A few things on Manny. And I’ll preface this by saying I am NOT a Manny fan, but when you watch that guy hit you realize you’re witnessing something special.
Everyone seems worried that Manny is only playing for a contract and once he gets it, will go back to “Manny being Manny”. Well when he signed that monster 8 year/160 million deal with the Sox his production didn’t go down. He was instrumental to the rise of the franchise and was arguably the most important piece in both the 2004 and 2007 championship teams. His numbers were there every year and he rarely got hurt.
My point is just because Manny signs a huge contract doesn’t mean he’s going to go in the tank. Hardly. You’ll get Manny Ramirez. And his bat. And the occasional silly story.
I don’t think he’d be a negative influence in any clubhouse, especially the Yankees. Some of the things he did this year were inexcusable, I understand that. You could argue that he wasn’t happy.
Maybe I’m crazy. But after seeing him kill the Yankees for so many years and then watching him carry the Dodgers on his back (simply amazing, anyone who says otherwise isn’t telling the truth) you can’t help but be intrigued.
If he would take a 2-3 year deal at 20/year I think you have to seriously consider it. You just don’t get that many opportunities to add a bat like that to your lineup. Maybe once every couple of years.
Signing Manny solves a lot of problems. It would be a short term commitment. It would reduce the need for a big bat at first base. Resigning Abreu would be a luxury. You could trade Damon, Matsui ,or even Nady. The possibilities are endless. Bottom line, you just added Manny Ramirez to the middle of your lineup. You’re already ahead of the game.
Miggs,
Never mind.
He was drafted ‘06, went to HWB.
2006 37.2 innings in Hawaii.
2007 88.1 innings in the minors.
24 innings in the majors (Joba rules)
2008 100.1 innings in the majors (injuries)
If you include 2006 winter ball and all of 2007, it adds up to 150 innings exactly. I think that was his thinking. That he could’ve gone up to 170-180 had he not been injured. The Yankees probably weren’t thinking that, but I distinctly remember Joba saying that he had pitched more innings, so bumping up a bit wouldn’t be a problem.
Soul I’m a Knicks fan to but stop man it’s depressing
If you watched that game you saw Patrick O’Bryant standout Ewing Jr. is raw because of no PT, put it this was the 2nd unit of Boston would have won had Tony Allen not begun to chuck shots all over the place, Eddy Curry was getting schooled by O’Bryant and Big Baby is getting better on defense. Eddie House reminds me of Miller or Kerr that guy only needs a bit of space and bang the game changes. Nate Robinson is still a wild gunner and Chandler showed some promise but late in the game got turnover prone.
Look at all the pitchers the Yankees sent to Hawaii in ‘06.
http://www.hawaiiwinterbasebal.....6canefires
Mel,
I hope that’s the case. Its time to see what he’s got.
Be responsible with his pitch counts, skip him a start or two here and there. But let the guy pitch in the rotation a full year. Just be smart about it.
“If he would take a 2-3 year deal at 20/year I think you have to seriously consider it.”
Scott Boras has gone on record that they are looking for a six year deal.
I don’t think anyone will give them the six, but the point is I don’t think they even sniff at a 2 year deal.
And I think they will want more than 20 million per year.
The question is how do they calculate his 2007 innings total? Do they add Hawaii to 2006 and start 2007 fresh? Or was Hawaii added to 2007?
It would make sense that Hawaii was added to 2006 considering he threw 118 innings in 2005 and only 89 college innings in 2006. But that would mean his 2007 projected total was short by about 44 innings. They said they moved him to the pen to limit his innings but he still had plenty available innings.
He only threw 100 this year, so would they let him throw the 150 he was projected to this year (even if you take out Hawaii totals), next year?
If Joba did indeed throw 150 innings as part of 2007 then why was inning limits even a problem to start the year? Hughes was in that same boat, his previous career high was 148, and they planned on having him in the rotation the whole year.
Or could it be that they were genuinely worried about the 8th inning in ST and wanted to give Farnsworth, Bruney, Hawkins etc. a chance to establish themselves before they moved him to the rotation? We also had 5 healthy starters at the beginning of the year.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/20.....orts-rays/ talk about a gut punch from a rays fan to a rays fan!
Heres a resolution to the Peavy issue: He doesn’t want to be here, he wants to face lesser competition in the NL, and he would not be the Jake Peavy that he is now in the weak NL West. End of story. Now lets focus on the most important arm in baseball(at least as far as were concerned) Carsten Charles Sabathia.
CC in New York!!!
Bleich is you know what through 4 innings. 49 pitches.
Go to Si.com and read Heyman’s latest. He says the Yanks are going to go hard after CC and Tex.
The Houston Chronicle has what I think is an exclusive story with Jake Peavy today where he says he would waive his no-trade clause to go to the Astros. Roy Oswalt is lobbying hard for Peavy. That would be a good fit for him, and I don’t really want Peavy in NY anyway. There are more suitable pitchers for the Yanks to pursue.
LOL. Saw that. It was basically a grocery list of all the big free agents out there.
Cashman: Mystique and Aura Now Dance At The Fens
Via mlb.com -
The Rays are counting on The Trop’s enthusiastic fans to help wash their mouths of the bitterness of Thursday’s defeat.
But the Hoo-Ray crowd won’t be able to match the Fenway faithful who, when the Red Sox began to stir with two outs in the seventh, bore out a recent comment by New York general manager Brian Cashman.
Cashman’s Bombers, of course, are fabled for getting assists from the Yankees ghosts when circumstances grow most dire.
“The Red Sox are the ones with the ghosts now,†Cashman had observed. “The last outs in Fenway are the toughest. The sound is incredible.â€
Roy Oswalt is lobbying hard for Peavy.
so how will #44 will be decided? they going to fight for it? lol
Ok Gary let’s hear aLL THE BAD STUFF YOU PROMISED TO SAY NOW
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ref=si_mlb
miggs
October 17th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
I read a few weeks ago that the Yankees may turn Joba loose in 2009… meaning they won’t adhere strictly to the “increase of 30-40 innings a year†theory.
I agree completely. I’m not saying he’s going to throw 200 innings, but I think its time to take off the kid gloves. You can only baby a guy for so long.
Stop jerking him around from the pen to the rotation and back to the pen. Just stick him in the rotation and let him pitch. The guy has phenomenal stuff. I would only consider moving him to the pen if he breaks down repeatedly over the next few years. I’d give him every chance to start.
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i did the best i could with the sepparating the posts(line)
joba will not jump 80-100 innings in one year.he pitched 100 innings in 2008.they might jump him to 150 but anything over 140 would be neglegance.
Except for 3 interleague games, the nearest Manny Ramirez will get to the Stadium is the Willets Point station in Queens.
Things are likely to be quiet until the WS is finished other than a possible coaching change.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10.....134090.htm
When is Danilo Gallanari going to play?
All this pansy innings talk really annoys me. When has it become a problem for someone to through a few extra innings. Either way, if they had made him a starter from the beginning, he wouldn’t have this restriction on innings.
My offseason:
1. CC
2. Tex
“Funny how no one wants to play in New York. Was never a problem in the pa$t”
Depends on what “past” you are talking about. Throughout the late 70’s, all of the 80’s, and the early 90’s, it was a HUGE problem. Players didn’t want the pressure of the NY media and Steinbrenner. It wasn’t until we started winning in the late 90’s and the presence of Torre (known as a players manager) that this changed.
Some of you young guys have to realize that the history of this team dates back to before 1996.:)
“But the Hoo-Ray crowd won’t be able to match the Fenway faithful who, when the Red Sox began to stir with two outs in the seventh, bore out a recent comment by New York general manager Brian Cashman.”
Yeah, that’s the “fenway faithful” that hadn’t already made their way to the exits. BFD. And here’s a clue. The Rays made it all the way through their season without the benefit of the Hoo-Ray crowd. They didn’t need yelling and screaming to get amped. They did it on talent. When you need the crowd to fire you up you probably need to do a gut check on who you are.
About players who don’t want to play for the Yankees? Yeah you’re talking what, 2 out of a million? For those who don’t remember, Brad Radke and Greg Maddux both said they didn’t want to play for the Yankees, and that was when the Yanks were giddily gliding along. So there are players who don’t want to play for the Yankees? BFD on that also. There have also been stars who begged to come to the Bronx and were willing to give up $$$$ to do so, and the Yanks didn’t take them.
It’s going to take a heck of a lot more than the Yankees not being in one postseason for the Yankee cachet to disappear. Not everyone is cut out for the pressure of the Bronx! Let them stay in their safe environs and enjoy the game.
About Lowe – if you are anxious to have him in the Bronx, you are a chronologically young Yankee fan. Those of us who remember him playing for the Sux shudder at the thought of him being in the Bronx – well those of us who REALLY remember.
“The Red Sox are the ones with the ghosts now,†Cashman had observed. “The last outs in Fenway are the toughest. The sound is incredible.â€
Until it isn’t. I don’t remember anything but crickets and depressed faces the last outs on Monday and Tuesday.
As far as I can see the way that it is today almost any tema be it small or mid market (See Philly and Tampa) hasa chance to win. When you are in those cities there is a lot less media, a lot less scrutiny by both the media AND the fans thus a lot less pressure.
So if I am a player who doesnt really like to have the media follow me around every step of the way, have the fans boo me when I do something wrong even when I am a really good player (see AROD) other than the money tell me again why I want to play in New York.
This is especially the case for apitcher who has spent his entire career in the NL, knows the NL hitters, wont have to study up on the new hitters etc.
There’s an ample supply of delusionals with rose colored glasses in Mass. They’ve never understood reality.
The Red Sox are a team that capitalizes on mistakes. Maddon’s late game management was terrible. He didn’t make the adjustment’s to deal with the late inning Sox. To beat them late in the game you need defense, you can’t give up errors, Boston’s lineup are contact hitters for the mostpart, and will put the ball in play. No walks, once you walk a guy in that lineup, the rest of them are like Sharks with blood in the water. Never let Ortiz beat a righty. Take your best lefthanded pitcher, and have him face Ortiz. You have to get him out in a big spot. If you let Ortiz get a big hit, the rest of the team will wake up, and beat the crap out of you.
Braintrust – not a question that the pitching fell apart in the 7th inning.
That doesn’t account for the two games the Rays won where the Sux couldn’t sniff them.
Hopefully the same logistic mistakes don’t happen in game 6.
“trisha – RAYS IN 3! (yes I know it’s a 7 game series…)
October 18th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Until it isn’t. I don’t remember anything but crickets and depressed faces the last outs on Monday and Tuesday”
exactly. That rat’s nest, and its fans, had as much to do with the RedSox winning, as the previous 2 home-games.
Re: “Maddon’s late game management” –
I agree. If you read Maddon’s statements on Friday, he says that’s the way he managed all year, and he wasn’t changing his so-far successful approach.
If that’s the case, then I think it is support for the view that, despite the Rays being a very talented team, there was an element of luck and overachieving this year; and that that style of game strategy and management finally caught up with Maddon Thursday night.
Further, one can make the case that the Rays failure to have a real closer (because of Percival’s recurrent injuries) and a bullpen by committee approach also caught up to them, and put Maddon at a disadvantage.
Was the Rays failure to pick up closer insurance (Fuentes?) over the summer when Percival started to show age and get hurt due to financial constraints, or confidence in BP guys who were having career years? I wonder what their GMs thinking at that time was.
If CC wants to play for the Dodgers he is going to have to take alot less money. I dont see him doing that the players union will step in. If the Yanks give him 20-30 million more than any other club can he really trun it down just because he rather play out west?
Early candidates to be removed from the 40-man roster through trade or release include Chris Britton, Dan Giese, Carl Pavano, Sisney Ponson, Darrell Rasner, Chase Wright, Edwar Ramirez, Chad Moeller, Ivan Rodriquez, Shelley Duncan,Justin Christian, and possibly more. It’s close to time to make up the 40-man roster and none are part of the 2009 plans.
“If the Yanks give him 20-30 million more than any other club can he really trun it down just because he rather play out west?”
Sure he could. How many yachts does one need to water ski behind??? If a quality of life choice means one less, I’m sure he’d be OK with it. He’s getting $100M plus someplace.
Funny how Ortiz’ 3 run HR with the team down by 6 becomes a clutch HR. Every time Arod hits a HR that doesn’t either tie the game or put the Yanks ahead, it is called meaningless stat padding. I guess whether it is clutch or not depends on whether your teammates then complete the comeback? Last year Arod hit a seemingly meaningless HR in the Yanks elim game, but they never scored again, so it is just stat padding?
Mark in Tampa – Some people find fault no matter what happens.
Mark:
Clutch doesn’t seem the appropriate word for Ortiz’s homer, and to be fair, I haven’t heard that many people call it that. It did, however, serve as a catalyst for bringing Boston back in the game. Arod’s 7th inning homer in GAme 4 last year coyuld have done exactly the same thing…but didn’t. Not his fault just as the Red Sox did not win because of Ortiz’s homerun. How something like that is viewed hinges a great deal on what happens subsequent to it.
“Early candidates to be removed from the 40-man roster through trade or release include Chris Britton, Dan Giese, Carl Pavano, Sisney Ponson, Darrell Rasner, Chase Wright, Edwar Ramirez, Chad Moeller, Ivan Rodriquez, Shelley Duncan,Justin Christian, and possibly more. It’s close to time to make up the 40-man roster and none are part of the 2009 plans.”
Do you see any return to the Yankees from any of them?
Fredo:
I know, just making a light-hearted observation towards the hate-A-rod crowd.
brad – you’re probably wrong on ramirez and wright
and don’t forget FAs abreu, giambi, mussina and pettite are also off the 40 man
I hope they don’t leave Edwar Ramirez off the roster…I think he is the closest thing (I know we are eternally searching for it) to Ramiro Mendoza we’ve had in a while…rubber arm…deceptive stuff…can pitch mulitiple innings..
The only change I care about is that Betemit never ever wears another yankee uni. I like Ty Wig frankly. Should be a good utility guy.
LOL and of course i’d add betemit to the chopblock
Burnett wants to be here and the players want him here… get him. It is a no brainer.
Stop going after guys who have no interest in coming here unless they get severely overpaid and are mercenaries.
bru,
good job!
Looking back and charting his innings, I didn’t realize how meteoric his rise was.
I think there will be a happy medium. If Joba’s healthy, he’s throwing more than 130 innings.
We’ll probably see 5 inning starts. They also chart every pitch. They look at how many pitches are thrown. As Nardi once said with a smile, “I know every pitch that’s been thrown.”
Torre used to always say it depends on how many pitches they’ve thrown (as far as sending a guy back out for another inning). A 12 pitch inning is different from a 30 pitch inning.
Joba will help himself (IMO by being efficient).
Maddon underestimated Papi, he probably figured that he couldn’t catch up to Balfour’s high 90s heater and rather he face that than Howell’s breaking stuff.
And why is David Price even in the pen? What a waste of a talented arm. He could be closing games like Wainwright was, yet he is regulated to the 2nd long man (behind Edwin Jackson).
mel
How about this as a plan?
Joba throws 150 innings…he starts the season as a starter throwing 125 (approx)…and finishes the season (say the last 40 games) in the bullpen 25 innings…25 appearances
This could really help during a playoff push and also keep his innings down…
regarding joba, wouldn’t it make some sense to just hold him out in april and early may all-together? maybe sent him to extended ST or something
in april, a 5th starter is seldom used anyway. that way, you really don’t have to worry about protecting him that much or skipping him starts throughout the year as much.
What is going to do in ST and April…go on vacation?
“Arizona Fall League
OF Austin Jackson: The Yankees’ top position player prospect, Jackson has collected five RBIs in his first six games for the Javelinas, with a triple among his three hits in 21 at- bats. Jackson has walked twice and struck out seven times as he prepares for a Spring Training during which he will have an outside chance at making New York’s big league roster, while more likely projecting to open at Triple-A.”
A very small sampling admittedly, but if I read this correctly, our “top prospect” has whiffed 1/3 of his ABs (Ryan Howard numbers but without the bombs) and is batting below the Mendoza line. At best, he is a few years away, at worst, another example of Yankee hype to mask an abysmal farm system.
They’re hatching a plan, but plans best laid and what not…
But I think the right thing to do is start him because what if he gets hurt again? He’ll never reach 200.
He and Phil need to do themselves a favor and stay healthy because baseball doesn’t stop for anyone. Crasnick or Law mentioned that Joba’s shoulder issues which have been going on since college are a concern. Phil’s issues are not structural. The broken ankle and broken rib held him out longer than anything else. I’ve seen what a healthy Joba can do. I’m very intrigued to see what a healthy Phil can do.
IIRC, they don’t budget for the post season. (At least Milwaukee and Torre don’t!) Kennedy had reached his innings last season and would’ve been on the postseason roster had he not pulled that muscle in his back.
Before the 7th this past Thursday, Gramps Maddon was a genius….now it’s the old folks home for this senile asleep at the switch geezer.
Joba just has to learn to pitch through the shoulder if the pain isin’t that bad. Thats the only way you’ll really know if he is able to throw 200 innings and be a starter.
Unless they can change something mechanically with him to create less stress on his shoulder.
LOL. Looking at the Caribbean headlines. Phillips (5 innings/5 walks) & relievers combine for a no-hitter (for Justin Christian’s team). Heath Phillips sounded familiar. But the former Scranton Yankee is now a Ray.
Re: Jackson. They need to get a stop gap (Gardner or FA) and not think about him. Tell him he’s going to start at AAA and stay there. Then bring him for a cup after their season. That way he can concentrate on developing and not slide back. Keep his eye on the ball before cutting up field.
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