Today in the playoffs
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Oct 18, 2008 
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ALCS Game 6: Boston (Beckett) at Tampa Bay (Shields), 8:07 (TBS).
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Today in The Journal News: As the organizational meetings come to a close for the Yankees, Jake Peavy is being made available by the Padres. But he wants to stay in the NL.
Pete: do you really buy this Peavy stuff? I mean, lets look at the padres.. they have one GREAT player (Jake Peavy) who is signed to a very reasonable long term contract AND who also last year had the worst peripheral stats of his career. And now the padres want to trade him.
SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.
If he wants to stay in the NL, let him stay in the NL. Good Luck Jake
Peavy’s probably just a front for someone else.
Tampa’s got to win tonight. If they don’t win tonight, they don’t go to the World Series.
DON’T LET ME DOWN JAMES SHIELDS!
If Tampa doesn’t win tonight….
Oh it will not be pretty.
Melky, Kennedy and Igawa for Peavey?
Tampa’s got to win tonight. If they don’t win tonight, they don’t go to the World Series.
oh they will be a riot if there’s a game 7. NO TO GAME 7!!!!
Rebecca,
Totally agree about needing to clinch tonight. My gut is telling me though that Beckett is going to pitch a hell of a game. If they do not win tonight, the Rays shouldn’t even show up tomorrow.
Shields needs to pitch like he did in Game 1 and hopefully the Rays offense can stay the course they have been on. I’m not sure I can stomach another ‘comeback’ for the third time in 5 years.
Phil’s pitching today in the AFL, 3:35 EST. Instead of talking about a trade that will never happen, I’m eager to see how Phil continues to progress.
What bothers me is that they make a big deal out of Boston coming back from down 3-1, but Boston’s already done it…twice.
It’s not a big deal any more. I think the Boston fans just expect it.
In all thier past comebacks for Redsox, Manny was big part of it. That guy does not know what pressure is
Now that he is not there, I very much doubt Sox will complete the comeback. Sox will realize for the first time how much they miss Manny.
Lol igawa won’t be considered for a Peavy deal..
Has to be melky, kennedy, and some other prospect(s).
Igawa isnt worth anything yet.
Hughes, Igawa, and Melky for Peavy
Truthfully, I’d rather just sign CC and trade Hughes for someone like Joey Votto, Adrian Gonzalez, James Loney etc. instead of Peavy.
Unfortunately, you can read this story like a hollywood script.
Beckett, the great postseason warrior in years past, is now injured and pitching with a torn oblique. He has been shelled this October but has one last chance at redemption. He throws an absolute gem purely on guts and takes Boston to game 7 where they win.
Oddessy,
I agree id prefer to trade Hughes for a young position player rather than a pitcher.
The Reds aren’t trading Votto. Votto and Bruce are guys you build a team around.
this IS game 7 for the rays.
its like 2004 or even last year, once you have the momentum and get the series to a winner take all game, boston doesn’t lose.
it would have required a historic comeback in game 5 and a heroic performance by beckett in game 6. they have lester their ace going against tampa’s #3 starter. teams dont lose with that kind of momentum
Igawa isnt worth anything yet.
But Melky is??
Loney is an interesting name… I doubt LAD would make him available though. I’d definitely part with Hughes to get him.
Votto and Bruce are probably off-limits. They’d want Joba more than they;d want a Hughes-type IMO.
Sox say Beckett isn’t hurt he’s just rusty because he missed a few starts at the end of the year. They say the 5 miles of velocity he has lost lately should be back because he has a couple of starts under his belt now.
Betsy October 18th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Phil’s pitching today in the AFL, 3:35 EST. Instead of talking about a trade that will never happen, I’m eager to see how Phil continues to progress.
Cool! I didn’t realize he was pitching today. I’ll be following. Thanks Betsy!
Get ready to hear complaints if he doesn’t throw a perfect game.
“Truthfully, I’d rather just sign CC and trade Hughes for someone like Joey Votto, Adrian Gonzalez, James Loney etc. instead of Peavy.”
Hughes doesn’t get you a sniff of Adrian Gonzalez. Loney might be a possibility though.
The only example that I can remember of a team losing the series after a historic win like Boston had was the 2005 Astros. But the Cardinals are not the Red Sox. The Astros were also a fairly veteran laden team (Clemens, Pettitte, Lidge, Berkman, Asmus, Biggio, Oswalt etc.).
SD obviously wants to move some players…they were the worst team in baseball last yer…and probably wants to turn one player into multiple players
Trade Hughes, Igawa (SD always has liked him, esp in Petco), Cabrera, Romine for Adrian Gonzalez
Now we’ll have a 1B and a counterpart to A-Rod in the middle of the order
“In all thier past comebacks for Redsox, Manny was big part of it.”
9 for 27 with no homers and 3 RBI in the 7 elimination games Boston won in ’04 and ’07. He helped, but couldn’t really be called a big part of it, especially in ’04 when he had no rbi’s against the Yankees in games 4 thru 7.
Ironically, Dan Wheeler was Lidge’s setup man on the 2005 Astros.
luckily i’ve decided after thurs. that i have watched my last red sox game.
Hughes isin’t good enough to fetch a Votto, Bruce, Adrian Gonzalez, Prince Fielder etc.
Only an elite prospect like Joba could fetch those types of top flight position players.
Hughes could probably get you McLouth, Kemp, Ethier etc.
Basically it boils down to whether or not the Rays can put that embarrasment of a game behind them and focus on the game tonight. The dome and cowbells should help them concentrate on the task at hand.
However, I am not sure if the team being young and inexperienced will help them cope with the fact that they shouldn’t even be playing because the series should be over.
Only in baseball and Law and Order.
I love this game.
Sea Net
I think you are mistaken…Hughes could definately get you one of the players you mentioned…of course you would have to sweeten the deal…
Volquez was traded for Hamilton last year…Volquez showed you nothing that would make you believe he was worth Hamilton
“9 for 27 with no homers and 3 RBI in the 7 elimination games Boston won in ‘04 and ‘07. He helped, but couldn’t really be called a big part of it, especially in ‘04 when he had no rbi’s against the Yankees in games 4 thru 7.”
It is not just numbers, it is his presence in the lineup that also makes difference. When he was there they had to pitch Ortiz, now they can be careful with him and take chances with the guys following him.
The Reds aren’t trading Votto. Votto and Bruce are guys you build a team around.
They would if Hughes is on the other side of for.
A little OT: I don’t get what part of Jake Peavey does not want to pitch in NYC don’t people get. He hasn’t waived the NTC for NY at all, he waived it for LA, HOU, STL and ATL. Right now it seems Atlanta will get him per his request and pending prospects.
Trade Hughes, Igawa (SD always has liked him, esp in Petco), Cabrera, Romine for Adrian Gonzalez
One thing you need to learn is you don’t trade catchers that can hit. That is a big no no.
I would not be surprised to see the Yanks use their payroll flexibility to make an impact trade.
For example if you eat Andruw Jones’ $ 18 M does that get a deal done (obviously with significant talent involved too) for Ethier and/or Krenshaw? If you eat Jose Guillen’s deal does that put Greinke in pinstripes? I’m sure there are many other examples that might create options/possibilities.
It’s almost like NBA trades that are all about salary cap space, not necessarily a strictly basketball trade. Start thinking about low revenue teams and how much moving their most expensive player(s) might help both them and the Yanks.
That would be a way to use the $$$ muscle and not lose draft pix in the process…. just thinking out loud.
Reds are not trading Votto or Bruce. Unless they get back an insane package. They are trying to build around them
Adrian Gonzalez is a middle of the order bat playing in baseball purgatory and still hit 36 HRs and drove in 120 for an anemic lineup. Put him in a neutral ballpark and he is a top 3 MVP candidate for the next 10 years. Padres need him.
Hughes for Loney is interesting though. All depends what LAD does with Manny and if they can trade for Peavy. They may need another pitcher.
First, you make it seem as if Romine is major league ready and its a foregone conclusion that he can hit…
Second, we have two other catchers with potential in Cervelli and Jesus…so we can deal from a position of strength
Third, Gonzalez is a great hitter in a pithcer’s ballpark…he would be insane in the new Yankee stadium…and he is a borderline gold glover
I think we can take the risk sweetening a deal by adding a single A catcher…
Perhaps I just taught you something…
NITRO
Everything has a price…
able to see the dodgers owner breaking down, and signing Manny.
however, the Dodgers will need pitching.
Hughes, and a non-prospect (Kennedy) for Loney ?
Stay away from Peavy. He is a solid NL pitcher. This isn’t to say he couldn’t be solid in the AL, but if he doesn’t want to make the switch, it is because he probably doesn’t have the confidence to do so. I would prefer pitching in the NL only because you get to pitch against pitchers and it isn’t as strong offensively. This is why Santana’s numbers ‘should’ skyrocket.
Peavy’s contract is too heavy as the years progress and if you take on that contract and he isn’t worth it, no one will take him in a trade.
Hold on to Hughes, Jackson, and Cano!!!
Sherman suggested Votto for Hughes, not nobody else has even suggested that the Reds are shopping him.
Cashman would be a fool NOT to do it if it were available.
Reds are not trading Votto or Bruce. Unless they get back an insane package. They are trying to build around them
Sad that people here don’t know this but Hughes is looked at still highly around the league.
Second, we have two other catchers with potential in Cervelli and Jesus…so we can deal from a position of strength
Romine is 19 and more of a complete catcher, I’d love to Adrian Gonzalez but I doubt Romine gets him, and a package for a player that is about to hit FA ? what is smart about this here ?
vinny,
i’d do that. hughes/kennedy for loney would be nice.
yanks 2010:
now way do i trade Romine. Thank you, for confirming.
we don’t have position player depth, in the minors.
Bruce and Votto are merely fantasies.
Some of you are really overrating Hughes, if thats even possible.
You don’t trade a guy like Romine, especially as a 3rd player in a deal.
I would still hang on for Hughes. Votto’s great and all and might end up being more valuable than Hughes, but we’ve (and by we I mean the Yankees) have put too much stock in Hughes to write him off after two injury-shortened years.
Hughes for Loney works good. I wouldn’t put IPK in that deal (I’d hold him for another deal) Hughes is enough probably w/ Melky to nab a Loney.
I don’t really want Peavy. He’s not a winner. Look how he pitched in the playoffs.. look how he pitched regular season in big games in the past… look how he pitched in the world baseball classic. He’s got great stuff, but he can go be an all star for the Astros or some other NL team that will win 1 playoff series every 10 years. that’s fine with me.
What about Hughes for Camron Maybin?
You don’t trade a guy like Romine, especially as a 3rd player in a deal.
That’s what I was trying to beat into his brain.
Some of you are really overrating Hughes, if thats even possible.
Nope. It’s actually the other way around people here are underrating his worth around the league, what part of Hughes is still a front piece don’t people get. Yes teams want him believe it or not they want him badly.
If Hughes+ can nab you Bruce or Votto, then by all means, do it.
Romine is 19 and more of a complete catcher, I’d love to Adrian Gonzalez but I doubt Romine gets him, and a package for a player that is about to hit FA ? what is smart about this here ?
He’s signed through 2012 at like 10 mil per year (Tex wil cost 20 mil/per for 10 years).
now way do i trade Romine. Thank you, for confirming.
we don’t have position player depth, in the minors.
If A-Gonz was 36 I would agree…but he’s 26 and already established….why are we so protective of our youth when the Yankees have a hard time developing them anyway???
Finally…all the reasons why we would want A-Gona are also reasons why SD would want to keep him (young, decent salary, middle of the order guy)….but they were in LAST place…and last place teams are always looking for a way to parlay one really good player for multiple high ceiling talents…
Do it!
“Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 18th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Hughes for Loney works good. I wouldn’t put IPK in that deal (I’d hold him for another deal) Hughes is enough probably w/ Melky to nab a Loney”
don’t know if Miranda have any/much trade value. Maybe include him.
Wait a minute Adrian isn’t a FA after this season ? So why are we talking about a possible deal here ? There is no way they deal him.
You don’t trade a guy like Romine, especially as a 3rd player in a deal.
The trade was Hughes, Romine, Igawa, Cabrera…he would be the second player
For a small market team…we just gave them a top of the rotation starter, a catcher, a CF, and a 5th starter
But for the Yankees these guys would be a 3rd starter, a backup catcher, a 4th outfielder, and a AAAA pitcher…but A-Gonz would be the 2nd bet hitter on the team
That’s why you do it…
don’t know if Miranda have any/much trade value. Maybe include him.
For what ? we don’t need to sweeten this deal anymore. That deal gets you him it’s the Dodgers that would have to decide Hughes or Loney.
IPK for Garko or Blalock.
S.A., I won’t know about complaints since if I see Phil’s name in a post, I’m probably going to skip it, LOL (so I won’t get aggravated). I already know that most fans just want to pick him apart and have no particular desire to see him do well (well, maybe a little, to up his trade value, but that’s it), so I have extremely low expectations for the reactions to his performance if he throws well.
I always know when Phil pitches because I make a point to count the days down from his last start, lol
Adrian Gonzalez 1b
4 years/$9.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
signed extension 4/07
$0.5M signing bonus
07:$0.5M, 08:$0.75M, 09:$3M, 10:$4.75M,
11:$5.5M club option (no buyout)
Cameron Maybin is a very interesting name.
I’d give up Hughes to get him, but not much more than Hughes.
Doubt the Marlins trade him though, they’re concentrating more on their arb. eligable players. We should look into those guys more heavily.
winners: I like the fact you included ‘World Baseball Classic’ in Peavy’s resume.
from my view, the WBC is a big stage.
off-topic: Texeira compelely went into a black hole, in that series, contributing to the anemic USA offense and an early USA exit.
The trade was Hughes, Romine, Igawa, Cabrera
No he’s actually the 3rd player
Hughes service yrs. in ML
Melky services yrs. in ML
Romine none (3rd player)
Igawa worthless (thanks Jene Afterman)
A-Gonz expires after 2011 i think
IPK for Garko or Blalock.
That’s a deal they should make and tell IPK it’s great not to worry in Cleveland because it rocks.
You know who turned Peavy off to the AL so much?
Maddux.
Him and Peavy were best buds from their times with the Padres, he probably scared the hell of him. Not since Maddux himself as their been a player this reluctant to go to the AL.
And notice the teams who Peavy is most interested in going to? Peavy wants to go to the south so it is not a surprise the Braves are on the list, but want to know how big market teams not in the south like the Cubs and Dodgers got in there? Two of Maddux’s most recent teams. He obviously is leaning on Maddux for advice.
That’s a deal they should make and tell IPK it’s great not to worry in Cleveland because it rocks.
All the little kids growing up on the skids
Go “Cleveland rocks!”, “Cleveland rocks!”
Jumpin’ Jene Jene and Movin’ James Dean
Go “Cleveland rocks!”, “Cleveland rocks!”
“Cleveland rocks!”, “Cleveland rocks!”
“Cleveland rocks!”, “Cleveland rocks!”
“Cleveland rocks!”, “Cleveland rocks!”
…lol, sorry but i just have to do that.
Brandon….
I’m saying in terms of value…
Who do you want to see at 1B..obviously not Tex
Yes he is, Brandon, so the Yankees and other teams must know something …..yet, everyone is so anxious to trade Phil because (a) they are smarter than every organization in baseball and (b) they think eventually every organization in baseball will wake up and smell the coffee with Phil. I find this hilarious, to be honest.
“Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 18th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
That’s a deal they should make and tell IPK it’s great not to worry in Cleveland because it rocks”
lol. Don’t know if they have beaches on Lake Erie.
How bout this trade….
Homer Bailey & Corey Patterson for Wang?
t-rock: I believe you nailed it.
Brandon: Hughes’ upside and potential is limited by his injury history.
And no, you can’t make the case for every single pitcher.
Most, if not all teams realize a few quality starts in the first year for a pitcher can be misleading.
Homer Bailey & Corey Patterson for Wang?
in your dreams. stop playing your xbox/ps3 too much.
How bout this trade….
Homer Bailey & Corey Patterson for Wang?
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WOW!…thats a really bad trade
Who do you want to see at 1B..obviously not Tex
Yanks in 2010 -
this is who I think Cashman should look into:
Ryan Garko
Hank Blalock
Jorge Cantu
Joey Votto (expensive)
James Loney(expensive)
Homer Bailey is a great prospect….but Wang has won 19 games twice in one season.
And Corey Paterson is another 4th outfielder.
No different than Hughes and Melky for Peavey…..
Homer Bailey & Corey Patterson for Wang?
oh yeah, Corey Patterson is going to be a free agent. do your research first.
Ryan Garko- Decent choice…perhaps some Brosius dust would help him…and Cleveland doesn’t need him (I actually think this is likely)
Hank Blalock (Tex will pick up his option)
Jorge Cantu (Can he do it for more than once every other year?)
Joey Votto (expensive) (I like him, but I agree that the reds are building around him and Bruce)
James Loney(expensive) (Who would replace him in LA, Nomah?)
I see your point, however Melky is considerably younger (who didn’t hit .205 in the NL) and Peavy is a Cy young winner who’s one of the best pitchers in baseball. Wang is great, but not many would rate him top 5.
Ok , yet Olney, Callis, Gammons and Heyman keep preaching Hughes still has value around the league I’m not saying deal him, but stop making it seem like this 22 yr. old is seen like a scrub around the league because that isn’t the truth. He’s not a throw in any deal and still lands you a top position player or prospect. I’ll listen to them before I listen to anonymous bloggers who have him on the Homer Bailey value train.
Chris Young another starting pitcher on the padres might be a decent pick up.
Yanks in 2010 –
Cleveland doesn’t need him anymore. Kelly Shoppach emerged as the everday catcher, V-Mart will most likely be shift to 1B. Hafner is their DH. Plus, they got Matt LaPorta and Michael Aubrey to play 1B and other 1B options.
Betsy -
I’ve started to do the same re: skipping Phil Hughes oriented posts. It’s amazing to me how some fans are so eager to undervalue their own prospects while overvaluing any prospect from any other team. I’m not saying Phil’s going to end up being the next Cy Young, but I do think he’s worth holding onto.
Also getting tired of hearing how the “Yankees” overhype their own prospects, when in reality all the Yankees do is say they have a prospect their excited about and then the fans and media take over from there. Are they supposed to NOT say they’re excited about certain of their prospects?
Also getting tired of the impatience that everyone has, again, with Yankees prospects, thinking they have to make an impact on some kind of timetable. They’re ready when they’re ready – and here, I’m talking about Jackson, who people want up here mid-summer ’09, but which same people wall probably kill the guy if he doesn’t start off like a house afire – and also the pitching prospects.
Sorry if I’m overreacting. I’ve got some raw nerves exposed from a different issue and came here to relax. Ha! Ha! Ha!
(Did you know that Jenny McCarthy, that wonder of wonders, has actually CURED her son of autism???? So say the headlines, along with pretty picture, of Us Magazine. I know it’s claptrap, but how many people will be lead astray by this junk? Rant over.)
I’m hoping the Rays win tonight. I think everyone’s expecting Beckett to pitch a “Schilling” game, but I don’t think he will. I think he’ll be fair. I think it’s going to be a close game, not a blowout, but I think the Rays will prevail. I’m also expecting the game to end about 2 a.m., it being a game involving the Red Sox and all, who don’t know how to play a game in under 5 hours.
Brandon, I understand your logic, however, ‘Olney, Callis, Gammons and Heyman’ are writers/analysts who otherwise praise hundreds of young pitchers. If you haven’t noticed, most are very careful with their praises. They don’t want to be dead wrong. So its on the safe to positive side rather than the “Joba” treatment.
I’d like to get the opinions of actual team scouts, but unfortunately, they obviously wont divulge information for free or for other teams to access.
Ed – looking forward to 2009 ….I agree with you that Cleveland doesn’t need him (as I said)
I’m just not sold on him…how is he defensively?
Yanks in 2010 -
fielding career percentage is .993. this season, he made 4 errors in 121 games with a .996 FPCT. Compared to Giambi’s FPCT this season, 9 errors in 113 games.
Trade Hughes to OAK for Carlos Gonzalez and Dana Eveland
Could Hughes get us Matt LaPorta or Jason Heyward?
Ed…I can live with that
My concern is that he fields righty…and Cano won’t move into the 1B hole if his life depended on it..
Our defense wasn’t so bad this last year if you look at erros…but if you actually watch the games the hole between 3b and short, up the middle, and 1B hole were gaping
Do these guys not have range or do they just not care? I wonder…
I’m tempted to run a contest on my blog for the most outrageous trade suggestions…there are some good ones here!
Fielding percentage is a worthless stat. You can’t make an error on a ball you can’t get to.
Hughes and Kennedy for Jiar Jurrjens and Casey Kotchman
We get a stud SP and a real 1B.
ATL gets a couple of solid pitchers in return. We hang onto Joba, Jackson, Cano etc.
Jason Heyward isn’t even in AA, that’s an example of how you value your prospects the Braves won’t ever let that kid go.
“Ed – looking forward to 2009
October 18th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
IPK for Garko or Blalock”
Ed: that would be my first choice. If Texas would accept IPK.
Phil – 27 in ’09 …exactly
Hughes and Kennedy for Jiar Jurrjens and Casey Kotchman
Too much.
Isin’t Garko considered an average fielder at best regardless of his fielding stats?
How about “we” hold onto Hughes and let him earn a spot in the Yankee rotation and become an excellent starter? Wang/Joba/Hughes homey-grown looks better than any deal.
bbfan, the problem with pitching around ortiz is j.d. drew, who is locked in right now.
Why would ATL trade Jurjens and their starting 1B for an injured #3 starter and Kennedy?
If anything, those guys will be apart of the package for Peavy.
sevrox,
Not when the names Votto, Bruce, Gonzalez etc. are being floated around
sevrox
Joba is my favorite Yankee player, but I would bet a lot that Joba gets hurt and has to go into the bullpen for good at some point in the next two years
Blockbuster trade -
Phil Hughes to the Mets for Nick Evans, Daniel Murphy, and Luis Castillo.
If we trade for Castillo we can then trade Cano for Andre Ethier to play RF.
Who is worth more at this point Igawa or Kennedy? Igawa did not have a bad year at AAA.
Joey Votto was close to being dealt last offseason for Erik Bedard
“Could Hughes get us Matt LaPorta ”
Nope.
“Phil Hughes to the Mets for Nick Evans, Daniel Murphy, and Luis Castillo”
i dont get the logic here…murphy is a nice player…everyone else is uhhh…not
Ed thank you for pointing out Hughes alone gets you Votto.
Phil Hughes to the Mets for Nick Evans, Daniel Murphy, and Luis Castillo.
stop playing your xbox/ps3 too much. who in the right mind would trade a 26 y/o 2b for a 33 y/o?
MOst simply put, the Dodgers are not trading James Loney. It is most improbable that they would trade any of Kemp, Martin or Ethier. These four are the nucleus of the future, and certainly are not available simply for pitching prospects, which the Dodgers have plenty of. Unlike the Yankees, they do have a decent farm system. For an immediate starter of established quality, perhaps Ethier, but that’s it. For Peavy, probably, together with some prospects, assuming Lowe leaves.
Could Hughes get us Matt LaPorta
Maybe hughes and Cano.
Brandon -
no problem. the Reds are actually glad that they backed out. Votto would have a tremendous season with the O’s, Cueto might do okay, and Homer Bailey would get bombed like he does in the NL.
Micahel Kay, over-analyzed on his show friday. And said, the Redsox winning the World Series this year, will help maintain the fan’s passion/hate for the NYY-Boston rivalry.
don’t know how you all feel. I don’t feel the ‘hate level’ is in need of stoking.
would prefer to see the Rays win the World Series. If they do win, they may be ‘less hungry’ next year. Do not care to see a young & hungry Tampa Rays team in 09.
West Coast Guy:
you a dodgers fan, by chance?
The Most Ludicrous Trade Proposal Contest
Come on guys, do Francesca and Sherman proud!
stop playing your xbox/ps3 too much. who in the right mind would trade a 26 y/o 2b for a 33 y/o?
He wouldz
Vinny b—-
The WBC is a big stage!??! Are you serious? It’s a goofy exhibition that seems to excite some players from other countries but will NEVER MEAN ANYTHING to USA players!
You’re willing to downgrade Teixiera for that while endorsing the Yanks going after an oft-injured third baseman (Blalock) or a marginally productive guy who’s never hit .300, never driven in 100 runs, never hit 25 HR??
Is this the new motto: The 20009 Yankees, driven to mediocrity no matter the cost!
should tito start lester in place of beckett tonight?
Brandon -
LOL hahas, good find.
“Is this the new motto: The 20009 Yankees, driven to mediocrity no matter the cost!”
Hopefully that’s just the motto of some of the Yankee fans.
I’d be more than happy if they managed to sign CC and Teix.
i like that cat brandon…he cool
I’d be happy w/ CC and Garko or Blalock plus Burnett (if possible).
Blalock is versatile and cheaper than Tex. And is not going to be inj. his whole career.
Rebecca – You do realize that by reading these trade proposals you risk permanent psychologic injury? What is read can not be un-read….
Brandon, that’s the cutest thing ever!
It’s the only way I stop myself from cursing at some proposals. That and Pete told me not to or I’d be banned.
Joe: I’m a grad student. You can’t possibly cause me more psychological harm.
I personally hate the Red Sox, and do not want them to advance. That being said, we need them, as much as they need us. The rivalry is great for the division, the game of baseball, and ups the level of play. The rivalry has suffered over the past few years because the Yanks have gotten paycheck players who are either indifferent to the history, or don’t care. We need players who want to play for the Yankees, make money, win championships, while sticking it to the Red Sox and Bahstain all the way while doing it!
just curious, how about Nick Swisher for 1B or CF? yes, Swisher did had a down year because Ozzie misused him. He isn’t made out to be a leadoff hitter or be put in the 2 spot. I know he’s a career 250 hitter but still have a good OBP. the White Sox sold high on him last season, but he’s having a worst career year. I think the Sox would sell low on him?
I hope Beckett forgot to pack the 5 mph he just found.
bob,
I think it’s the right decision. Normally, managers should have faith in the order they set up. But I have to say that Maddon’s decision worked out brilliantly. For 6.1 innings.
Unfortunately, Beckett’s the type of pitcher who thrives in this situation. I hope we see some coolers flying in the Boston dugout tonight. Beckett, Papelbon, either one will do. That will be much more fun to watch than champagne showers.
“Blalock is versatile and cheaper than Tex. And is not going to be inj. his whole career.”
You forgot that he’s not as good a player as Teix, and hasn’t been healthy for two years. Other than that he’s perfect.
86: willing to admit, am biased. I really liked the WBC. The ‘exhibition’ is in its infacy. Not unlike the the Superbowl in 1966.
in the future, the WBC tournement may be acknowledged as providing the true ‘world series’ champion.
ray,
Eh. Those things are minor. We don’t really need another switch hitter either.
The Yanks have alot of room to get creative with trades. I’m sure free agent’s will be persued, but I can see them pulling off a couple of deals underneath the radar.
great insight mel. thanks.
Mel,
I know, being a switch hitting, former GG winning 1B who’s only 28 doesn’t matter as long as the other player is cheaper and probably won’t be injured the rest of his career.
Who cares about who’s better?
Let’s dream a little. What if by some magical power we get Teixeira. Where does he bat? In front of A-rod or behind? If he’s replacing Abreu, I put him in that spot. So Alex can see some good pitches, blah, blah, blah.
Now. Who bats behind A-rod? Who takes the spot that was absconded by Giambi this past season?
Matsui? Posada? Would love to see Cano work his way up.
20-25 million per yr. also doesn’t matter right ?
who is the umpire behind homeplate tonight?
bob,
Also, what does that tell Beckett? That’s just reaffirming that Lester’s the new ace.
I know he’s injured and should take one for the team. But if Lester was his best pitcher, he should’ve lined it up that way. See?
Mel,
If the Yanks sign Tex, I think the lineup looks like this:
Damon
Jeter
Texiera
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Nady
Cano
Gardner
“20-25 million per yr. also doesn’t matter right ?”
Not to me it doesn’t. Tickets for the game will still be the same amount of money so why should I care about how much they pay to Teix?
Sherman actually has very good trade proposals. He was the first to suggest Hughes for Votto… thats where most people on this board got it from.
dennis,
Cousins. That’s why they switched out Kazmir. They had a confrontation earlier in the year.
Teix would bat in front of A-Rod
Heyman says we’re going after him.
Not to me it doesn’t. Tickets for the game will still be the same amount of money so why should I care about how much they pay to Teix?
It’s funny w/ the state of the economic times and a Stadium they have to pay for each month why people think they just have money to burn, they have a budget believe it or not.
Heyman says we’re going after him.
Well that does it because Heyman’s never been wrong before right ?
Braintrust,
That’s a logical order. Managers like to play with the lefty/righty thing (I hate it) but it’s at the bottom of the order, so that’s subject to change within a game as well. Although Gardner would stay in for his defense. lol.
Gardner would lead off on Damon’s off days.
If these things happen, we’ll be really good:
1. Posada can catch. And catch well. None of this Mr. 17% like Varitek.
2. Gardner hits around league average
3. Cano fixes his hitting and doesn’t revert to bad habits
Brandon,
I heard that Alex wants to win it all, so he’s going to defer $10M of his $32M to help pay for Teixeira’s outrageous $20M contract.
“raymagnetic (That One)
October 18th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
“20-25 million per yr. also doesn’t matter right ?â€
Not to me it doesn’t. Tickets for the game will still be the same amount of money so why should I care about how much they pay to Teix?”
it may matter to you, when the next 5-tool player or ace pitcher is on the market, and NYY opts to pass, because the payroll is too high.
it wouldn’t happen? It happened with Beltran. And i’d rather have Beltran right now, over a first baseman.
team’s payrolls have a way of getting out of check, in a hurry.
mel, do you think that maddons decision regarding the pitching changes will affect cousins strike zone?
Brandon — Let the Steinbrothers worry about payroll. There’s no excuse for them cutting player salaries with the money that Yankees fans are providing them with.
I’d be inclined to hit Teixiera 3rd and Matsui 5th against RHP, ARod third, Tex fourth and Nady 5th against LHP.
They could sign CC and Tex AND bring back Pettite and Mussina and still save $$$ over last year. Those $$$ should be used to improve the bench.
I would build Cashman a statue if he got us Adrian Gonzales for Hughes+ (guys like Kennedy, Melky, Veras etc.)
dennis,
You mean like retribution? I don’t think so. Eagle eye’s on Cousins.
Maddon denied that was part of the decision.
Supposedly the incident was a very big deal.
Why are people worry about payroll as if it is their own money?
Hal knows what he’s doing. He nixed the Santana trade for money, he isin’t going to take a contract he can’t afford. If we sign Teixeria, its not going to hinder us from doing anything. We have $88 mil coming off the books.
Brandon — Let the Steinbrothers worry about payroll. There’s no excuse for them cutting player salaries with the money that Yankees fans are providing them with.
God I really want to curse here, let me just say, what ? you think they aren’t, there is a reason Hal is in charge of the money because he is the wise one. Hank is the hyper one.
“it may matter to you, when the next 5-tool player or ace pitcher is on the market, and NYY opts to pass, because the payroll is too high.”
Okay, so the Yankees should skip on a top 3 first baseman for NEXT year so that they can sign some 5 tool player or Ace who may never come onto the market.
That is one brilliant strategy right there. Don’t know why I didn’t think of it.
mel, thanks for the info!
So, how does Maddon manage the pen tonight if its a close game? Does he go back to Wheeler/Balfour? Does he extend Shields as far as he can like Jerry Manual would?
Who is his closer tonight?
From July-
“This is New York, and the fans deserve a team with marquee players,” Hal said. “Where we want to end up is a tremendous mix of young talent and veterans. And the veterans, the free agents, they cost money. And we realize that. We are going to have a lot of money come off the payroll, and that’s going to give us some options. But believe me, we’re going to use a good portion of it to get this city the team it deserves.”
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....119194.htm
Doesn’t sound like someone who is going to get tight with the wallet.
it may matter to you, when the next 5-tool player or ace pitcher is on the market, and NYY opts to pass, because the payroll is too high.
it wouldn’t happen? It happened with Beltran. And i’d rather have Beltran right now, over a first baseman.
team’s payrolls have a way of getting out of check, in a hurry.
vinny stop your using too much logic lets pick up an XBOX controller like most of them.
Hughes: 2IP 1H 1K 4:1 GO/AO 18 pitches.
Jackson: 0-1
Russo: Single in the second
Javelinas up 1-0 on a homerun.
Scherzer, Hughes, and Buchholz are all dominating the AFL.
Buccholz is back on track. Drat!
Gotta head out in a bit, here’s the Gameday: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....n_perwin_1
Phil pitching in the top of the 3rd NOW.
Doesn’t sound like someone who is going to get tight with the wallet.
Your right it sounds like someone who’s not in charge of the wallet.
Heh. I just got a letter in the mail saying the tap water I’ve been drinking isn’t actually safe to drink.
Fun times.
“Your right it sounds like someone who’s not in charge of the wallet.”
Well it was Hal not Hank who said it. So apparantly Hal doesn’t share you and Vinny B’s so called “logic”.
Forntoso,
Go to Price. Stay away from Jackson. Miller had a tough game 1? But you can’t go back to those 2 in a tight spot. Maybe Balfour because he’s got good stuff. But those 2 cracked IMO.
Z: the debate to sign Tex (and every big name free-agent who becomes available) transcends payroll. It have to do with organization philosophy.
Steinbrenner went this direction in the 1980′s/early 90′s. And then resumed the same practice from 2002-2005. It really worked out well…
Hal isin’t in charge of the wallet?
That quote was from Hal.
Mel, Either Matsui or Posada should fit nicely behind A-Rod. More likely Matsui till Posada proves himself healthy enough. (Even though Matsui had his knee operation, it should be less of a problem that Posada’s shoulder.)
Cano could be moved to that spot IF he can just get back to hitting the ball again.
That quote from Hal just punked the payroll clowns lol
“Z: the debate to sign Tex (and every big name free-agent who becomes available) transcends payroll. It have to do with organization philosophy.
Steinbrenner went this direction in the 1980’s/early 90’s. And then resumed the same practice from 2002-2005. It really worked out well…”
In the 80′s they also traded good young players for mediocre players.
If they use their money to sign good free agents they can retain their good young players.
how does a pop up single to the second baseman allow a runner on 1st to get to 3rd..good luck phil
dated July 10, 2008
really people get me a current quote.
mel, i just made a staight up wager on the rays with a co-worker. lets keep an “eagle eye” on this cousins fella tonight, shall we!
So they knew in July they weren’t bringing back the Big G.
Single.
Then 1st & 3rd on a popup single to the 2B.
Hit by pitch.
Ack, Phil.
Well it was Hal not Hank who said it. So apparantly Hal doesn’t share you and Vinny B’s so called “logicâ€.
That quote was from July 10th. When Cash’s job was on the line, I don’t see quotes like from Hal recently do you ?
“really people get me a current quote.”
Brandon,
He said they were going to have a lot of money coming off of the payroll. Which means after the season, doesn’t it? Since it is now after the season he’s willing to spend the money they have coming off of the payroll now that he has an opportunity to do so.
That quote was from July 10th. when Cash’s job was on the line, I don’t see quotes like that from Hal recently do you ? *
Brandon—
Why curse? YOU are the one who made the snide reference that “$ 20-25 M a year doesn’t matter, right?”
That sure looks like you’ve named yourself keep of the payroll to me.
I’m not sure why you are so anti-Teixiera. He’s the exact type of FA the Yankees should pursue and in my opinion the ONLY type of FA I want them to go after. An All-Star caliber player in his prime who fits an immediate need. To me, prime is 27-32 years old.
FWIW I would not go $ 20 M on Teixiera, so if he wont accept a Zito like contract (7 yr, $ 126 M) we’d be in agreement.
dude tagging up on 1st on flyballs to rightfielders…what is this defense doing lol
Cash’s job was only on the line from Hank.
Hal always loved him. The date of the quote is irrelevant. What does it have to do with Cashman?
ick..hughes is getting smoked…oh well..
Brandon is really reaching. Now the date of the quote is dispelling the theory of money coming off the books? LOL
http://www.boston.com/sports/b....._situ.html dennis, you might want to read this before cancelling your wager!
You guys really think Brandon understand the state of the economy and the economics of the new stadium and how it was being built to fund the YES Network to up its value?
It is to advanced for some people. The Stadium was built for a purpose.
• Some baseball people say the crashing U.S. economy could give the Yankees an even greater advantage in this free-agent season. Some other teams may be affected by baseball’s debt rule that limits spending for teams with significant debt, and some owners may be affected by plummeting stock prices and hurting businesses. Meanwhile, the Yankees’ revenues are expected to jump by a few hundred million from an already sport-high $400 million.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....day/1.html
Hal always loved him. The date of the quote is irrelevant. What does it have to do with Cashman?
If you think Cashman returns if the plan stays the same then your more lost than all of us. There is no way Cash would have returned had the plans not changed, you know that, we know that, he knows that.
Hughes getting shellacked, I hope he didn’t hurt his trade value too much.
Dave, I think you’ve got that backwards.
If anything, the Yankees would be more dependent on investment from financial firms than other teams, and at greater risk should said firms go under.
Hughes just gave up 7 runs and was pulled after 2.2 innings. Hope he’s not hurt.
Rebecca,
That was from Heyman, I didn’t write that.
So now the armchair owners on this board know more about the economy and payroll and their dependency on financial firms more than the Yankees or baseball writers do?
Amazing.
So Hal and Heyman are wrong?
Brandon, What in the world are you talking about? What plan has changed? And how do you know what the plan is?
Hughes, Cano and Kennedy for Gonzalez and Peavy, then sigh Orlando Hudson to play second. Also sign Sabathia (0r Burnett) plus Manny and Kotsay. Trade Matsui for Prospects.
Awesome Young Rotation!
Sabathia or Burnett
Joba
Wang
Peavy
Aceves or Coke or Kennedy
Awesome Lineup!
Damon – LF
Jeta – SS
Gonzalez – 1st
Arod – 3rd
Manny – DH
Posada – C
Nady -RF
Hudson – 2nd
Kotsay – CF
James Trimpson: how old are you?
Dave: In that case, I think Heyman’s got it wrong.
James Timpson Jr –
put down that xbox/ps3 controller!
“Hughes, Cano and Kennedy for Gonzalez and Peavy, then sigh Orlando Hudson to play second. Also sign Sabathia (0r Burnett) plus Manny and Kotsay. Trade Matsui for Prospects.
Awesome Young Rotation!
Sabathia or Burnett
Joba
Wang
Peavy
Aceves or Coke or Kennedy
Awesome Lineup!
Damon – LF
Jeta – SS
Gonzalez – 1st
Arod – 3rd
Manny – DH
Posada – C
Nady -RF
Hudson – 2nd
Kotsay – CF”
Thats cool if you like giving up your 2 best young players in the same deal. Lets do ourselves a favor and forget about Peavy. Sure Adrian Gonzalez seems awesome however he is a one way player and is slower than Jose Molina on the bases.
Exactly what part of “Peavy wants to stay in the NL” aren’t you people understanding?
“Exactly what part of “Peavy wants to stay in the NL†aren’t you people understanding?”
I know. Peavy was originally number 3 on my list of pitchers the Yankees should try to get, but I don’t want a guy who doesn’t want to be here. That goes for CC as well. If CC wants to stay in the NL or be on a West Coast team, he should go do that. I’m tired of people coming to NY for the money only to stink up the place.
What an odd outing – he started out so well and then just fell apart after the groundball single, bloop single and hit by pitch. I figure that Phil’s mechanics got out of whack – what else could explain such a 180 degree turn? Going on that assumption, I have to think that he’s just not comfortable with these mechanics. I don’t understand why Phil just can’t go back to the way he used to throw – it was natural to him and he didn’t have any of these problems. Forcing him to throw the way Nardi and Eiland feel he should throw is problematical and very stupid.
Peavy is a career NL guy just like Oswalt/Maddux these are guys who never want to face the beast that is AL line-ups. CC is a career AL guy and he got comfortable against inferior hitters. If the Dodgers trade for Peavy they will no longer require CC and the Angels have other fish to fry K-rod/Tex so it will likely be the Yanks v.s. the SF Giants. Baseball wise the Yanks would obviously be the frontrunners but if CC wants to really go home then he’ll do it and we will have to look elsewhere.
“Dave: In that case, I think Heyman’s got it wrong.”
Rebecca,
Heyman is just echoing what baseball people told him. So you must think the baseball people have it wrong also?
“What an odd outing – he started out so well and then just fell apart after the groundball single, bloop single and hit by pitch. I figure that Phil’s mechanics got out of whack – what else could explain such a 180 degree turn? Going on that assumption, I have to think that he’s just not comfortable with these mechanics. I don’t understand why Phil just can’t go back to the way he used to throw – it was natural to him and he didn’t have any of these problems. Forcing him to throw the way Nardi and Eiland feel he should throw is problematical and very stupid.”
Once again making excuses for Phil I see. He just had a down game, thats it don’t blame the mechanics. If you recall his last game of the year was impressive using the new mechanics.
@ Laura
Agreed.
On another note:
That’s one thing about the constant stream of FA pitchers. The best recent Yankee free agent pitchers have been generally proven AL, or AL east, commodities:
Jimmy Key
Dave Cone
David Wells
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Hate him or not… I’d actually give Derek Lowe a long look.
“That’s one thing about the constant stream of FA pitchers. The best recent Yankee free agent pitchers have been generally proven AL, or AL east, commodities:
Jimmy Key
Dave Cone
David Wells
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Hate him or not… I’d actually give Derek Lowe a long look.”
I have to agree. Outside of CC Lowe needs to be looked at by the Yanks. His AL East history is impressive and his pitching style is conducive to going deep in games because of all the groundballs he gets. Of course CC is the prize but Lowe could be a good addition as well.
CC Sabathia
Joba
Wang
Pettite
Mussina
Rivera
Melancon
Bruney
Coke
Marte
Robertson
Aceves
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Blalock
Matsui
Cano
(insert RF power bat)
Posada
Gardner
Nady
Loretta
Ransom
Molina
Raymagnetic: Not necessarily.
I mean, I could easily be wrong myself, but I’m just having a hard time believing that the Yankees would be less affected by this than other teams.
“Nady
Loretta
Ransom
Molina”
nady is a bench player now?
“CC Sabathia
Joba
Wang
Pettite
Mussina
Rivera
Melancon
Bruney
Coke
Marte
Robertson
Aceves
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Blalock
Matsui
Cano
(insert RF power bat)
Posada
Gardner
Nady
Loretta
Ransom
Molina”
So Nady is a bench player and Hank Blalock is cleaning up, oy.
“I mean, I could easily be wrong myself, but I’m just having a hard time believing that the Yankees would be less affected by this than other teams.”
Rebecca- I would just figure that the Yankees have an easier time coping with the financial downturn because they have a lot more money than any other team and the Yankees as a product are a constant revenue stream. Just think about all the Yankee merchandise that people will be buying during the holidays.
yes. NYY needs to upgrade the OF, in the off-season.
Damon
Gardner
Nady
may not cut it. They need another bat.
Wow. Did Phil Hughes ever get pounded today. It will be interesting to hear what he thinks the problem was.
“yes. NYY needs to upgrade the OF, in the off-season.
Damon
Gardner
Nady
may not cut it. They need another bat.”
OK but why is Nady the one getting benched? The guy hit over 300 with 25 bombs and 97 rbi’s? How does Gardner a guy who can barely hit at this level get to be a regular.
“Wow. Did Phil Hughes ever get pounded today. It will be interesting to hear what he thinks the problem was.”
Although it shouldn’t be this way I think the organization might decide to move him if he continues to get abused in winterball.
Rebecca – I’m not an economist myself, but a lot of so-called experts have totally misjudged the causes and effects of the snowballing economic crisis. I tend to agree with you.
The Red Sox’ primary owner’s (John Henry) personal wealth is directly connected to the stock market. The Yankees are partnered with Goldman Sachs. I find it hard to believe that both respective baseball operations aren’t impacted by the present economic downturn.
A previous poster talked about all of the Yankee merchandise to be purchased this holiday season. Discretionary purchases like holiday gifts (Red Sox or Yankees), is the FIRST to go. Very few people are going to open up their 402k statement, and immediately react by buying a $50 Yankee coffee mug.
It could be that the Peavy bait is the one to take …. an affordable contract with known limits. From a business perspective, a more rational path than bidding wars over the CCs and Mannys of the world.
The fact is, no one knows where this is going. We’re nationalizing the banks, for god’s sakes! And the Yankees (and Sox) are immune? Maybe …..
“Although it shouldn’t be this way I think the organization might decide to move him if he continues to get abused in winterball.”
first time he got hit over there…relax
oops …. 401k (not 402k)
Nady had a career year. lifetime he’s .280/.335/.458. respectable, but no Bobby Abreu.
AL: Nady isn’t a CF. He only plays the position, in a pinch. He confirmed this, by cringing, when topic of CF was mentioned, and basically shooting it down.
““Although it shouldn’t be this way I think the organization might decide to move him if he continues to get abused in winterball.â€
first time he got hit over there…relax”
Obviously, however if you see that for the next few weeks the organization might wonder whats wrong with their big ticket prospect.
“AL: Nady isn’t a CF. He only plays the position, in a pinch. He confirmed this, by cringing, when topic of CF was mentioned, and basically shooting it down.”
So you are benching him so that you can pay someone else to come in and give the same if not less offensive production?
I think it’s definitely not worth it to give away Austin Jackson and Phil Hughes for Peevy. He’s good, but what the Yankees need right now are ripe prospects, ready for the MLB.
From what I’ve read over the past year, John Henry’s personal wealth was taking a dive even before the latest financial disaster. I see to recall a divorce being mixed in there, too; I may be wrong on that, but my point is that he may not be flush with cash, exactly. Ergo, the Red Sox may not be as free spending this offseason.
We’ll see.
Why does Phil Hughes get so many excuses?
Injuries, he was rushed, bad mechanic, umps, bloop hits, bad defense, bad weather etc.
can we just admit he may not be what (cashman) hyped him up to be?
Al: that’s where I think everyone is going wrong. It doesn’t have to do with the money the Yankees have so much as the liquidity of their assetts–how much things such as the YES Network are valued, and how they can translate that into money.
And that is the most economics I have ever spouted off in four lines.
Al,
His trade value has really plummeted. We need to salvage what we can with him, not have false hopes he will turn into Mark Prior.
If we can get Loney, Votto, Bruce, Gonzalez, Maybin etc. we need to pull the trigger ASAP for a young position player.
cashman never hyped up phil hughes you moron
Hughes should be dominating the AFL, he is facing guys from AA and AAA. He probably has the most service time of all of them combined.
Not a good sign he is getting pounded by guys who haven’t even sniffed the big leagues
Bern, It is becoming comical how so many people have made excuses for him.
I have to believe that Heyman isin’t talking out of his you know what, and actually has good baseball sources relaying this financial information to him.
It may seem odd and contradicts the rest of the sport, but the Yankees are a different animal so who knows.
“cashman never hyped up phil hughes you moron”
No he didn’t. The entire organization did, we were being told Roger Clemens circa 1984 when in fact he throws 91 mph with only one true breaking pitch.
The Yankees’ Phil Hughes has been looking strong in the Arizona Fall League.
curtesy of phil rogers mlb whispers
get your facts straight chowderheads
Hughes’ curve is too slow.
His new mechanics are probably making it easy to pick up on. It used to be a true freeze pitch, now… not so much.
He just looks very ordinary to me. Not saying he isin’t going to be a good MLB pitcher, because I think he will. I just don’t think he is destined for stardom.
im telling all you hughes disbelievers…the kid will be a quality major league pitcher…a la mike pelfrey
will he be roger clemens? i dont think so but he can be a very good pitcher
trade hughes before his stock dips even further
he is a mess right now
Cashman needs to pull Hughes from the AFL before his value dips further lol
Surprising that the Peavy talks are so intense while the LCS is still going on.
Funny how people can read a box score from 100s of miles away and think they know what’s going on in an AFL game.
Wish list
1. CC
2. Peavy
3. Garko/Kotchman (or Teixeria)
4. Manny
5. Bowa
6. Don Baylor or some experienced bench coach
7. Hughes traded for a position player
8. Joba in the rotation
Wilson: I’m kind of torn on it in some respects. Certain aspects of the economy baseball people will be very familiar with, others not so much.
I guess the crux of the issue is: how much money do the Yankees have that’s solid cash and not a liquid asset.
If the reason, for example, they can pay all of their players is through ticket sales alone, then they’ll be fine since the New Stadium will likely sell out very quickly, even if the joe schmoes like us can’t afford the tickets.
If, however, the Yankees are able to pay to their player through the network, if say, Goldman Sachs pulls out as a partner…then there’s an issue.
Or, you know, it’s all A-Rod’s fault.
AFL not really off to a flying start
Hughes’ trade value is plummeting
Jackson off to a slow start
Sanchez with an awful outing
Miranda is on fire though and Marquez looking pretty good out of the pen (he did give up a couple runs though yesterday).
Bleich has really rebounded well in Hawaii and Romine is holding his own as catcher. Brackman– not worried about results, just needs to flash his stuff and get innings and work on stuff for now.
Rebecca,
The math has been explained on this blog before and simply put. The Stadium allows the Yankees to shield cash generated from revenue sharing.
The Rays NEED to win tonight under any circumstances.
I’m going to be so nervous for this game, especially a close game.
I just have a strange feeling that Beckett is going to rise to the occasion and pitch a great game. I hope not.
If the Yanks can trade Hughes for Joey Votto: .297/24 HR/84 RBI/.368 OBP, or one of the LA big 3 they should pull the trigger.
Al,
No doubt. I would hope Cashman jumps all over those deals if they were available.
Maybe we can tell the Reds/Dodgers that Hughes was just experimenting with sliders and changeups and the 8 runs was an aberration?
Weather Man
October 18th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
AFL not really off to a flying start
Hughes’ trade value is plummeting
Jackson off to a slow start
Sanchez with an awful outing
Miranda is on fire though and Marquez looking pretty good out of the pen (he did give up a couple runs though yesterday).
Bleich has really rebounded well in Hawaii and Romine is holding his own as catcher. Brackman– not worried about results, just needs to flash his stuff and get innings and work on stuff for now.
____________________________________________________
Romine has hit much better than anyone expected, in Hawaii and in charleston. His defense stinks and that’s what he was drafted for….his great defense. 18 passed balls in 55 games in Charleston and 5 passed balls in Hawaii in 7 games. He has trouble throwing out runners despite a very good arm.
Joe from Long Island
October 18th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
From what I’ve read over the past year, John Henry’s personal wealth was taking a dive even before the latest financial disaster. I see to recall a divorce being mixed in there, too; I may be wrong on that, but my point is that he may not be flush with cash, exactly. Ergo, the Red Sox may not be as free spending this offseason.
We’ll see.
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John Henry went deep into hedge funds and probably regrets it now.
He’ll have to hold the line with spending in 2009 and would love to shed payroll of Crisp, Lugo and not take on even meager contracts like Timlin and Wakefield. Varitek will be offered a take it or leave it deal.
“Maybe we can tell the Reds/Dodgers that Hughes was just experimenting with sliders and changeups and the 8 runs was an aberration?”
Trust me. There will still be a lot of takers for Phil. LA wants to unload an OF and supposedly they want to get rid of Kemp. I would have no problems taking Kemp and putting him in CF.
Note to B. Cashman:
You Hughes you lose.
John Henry makes his money from Commodities, not Stocks. And he is a TREND trader (up or down) so he has undoubtedly cleaned up on the huge down trends in Commodities we have seen lately…
And to those who scoff at my
Hughes, Cano and Kennedy for Peavy & Gonzalez (then sign Hudson) proposal,
Peavy is much better than Hughes
Gonzalez is much better than Cano
Kennedy is next to worthless & will never succeed as a Yankee and Hudson is an upgrade over Cano.
I doubt the Padres would even do that deal.
It’s funny listening to people talk as if Hughes’ trade value has slipped to Alan Horne levels.
He still has plenty of value. Infact, he may even be overvalued by some dumb GM. So I would definitely shop him to see what we can get. I am sure we can get something good. LAD could be a perfect match.
I apologize to the baseball gods
for what I did in a past life that would force me to spend the evening with nothing but Sux fans. I’m sure Yankee fans feel my pain. And since it is beloved relatives, we really have always had compassion and respect for the others’ rooting choices (meaning since I’m the only Yankee fan they have always shown kindness and deference, and I do the same with them regarding the Sux – whom I have only called (ugh) “the Red Sox” when making reference to that crap band box team.
Please know I am so here in spirit – and will bail as quickly as I can from this event – and please remember me with happiness every time the Rays do something awesome and the Sux don’t.
Respectfully and so sadly,
Trisha
GO RAYS!!!!!
GO RAYS!!!!!
GO RAYS!!!!!
I’d do Hughes, Cano and Kennedy for Peavy/Gonzales in an absolute second. However, I doubt SD would. That might be the price for Gonzalez alone.
Gonzo hit 36 HRs and drove in 120 in the worst hitting park in the majors. Imagine what he could do as a lefty in the new stadium?
Wowza
“Note to B. Cashman:
You Hughes you lose.”
Lol, the truth is spoken. I would just like to get some value for him before he becomes untradeable. This organization is severely lacking in the young position players category the only guy in the past 5 years is Cano and well thats it to add a tremendous, young position guy would greatly benefit this team. This team has enough pitching at every level, however offensively this team has no future. We need a Votto/Bruce/Kemp/Ethier/Loney in here ASAP.
hahahahaha trisha yo’re hilarious
does anyone know how phil pitched today?
you’re*
I have a feeling that the Brewers will give CC a very competitive 6 year/$125 million dollar deal, and CC will accept it because he doesn’t want to come to NY and the LA teams re-sign Tex/Manny so they don’t have money for him.
gotta have faith,
By reading this board, I imagine you know he didn’t pitch well lol
2.2 IP, 8 runs
“Al from BK( OFF-SEASON GOALS: Get CC and possibly more, find a real first baseman.)
October 18th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Trust me. There will still be a lot of takers for Phil. LA wants to unload an OF and supposedly they want to get rid of Kemp. I would have no problems taking Kemp and putting him in CF”
if NYY trades for Kemp, then you put him in right-field.
Al from Burger King,
You speak the truth. We need some young position players immediately and this is the perfect off-season to do it. I hope Cashman doesn’t overvalue Hughes like he did Kennedy/Horne.
We have one starting position player under age 33 – Cano. This lineup needs some turnover now.
“toms river
October 18th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
I have a feeling that the Brewers will give CC a very competitive 6 year/$125 million dollar deal”
you’re crazy.
Kemp is 6’3″ 250 LBs already
He is a RF’er.
But he is a legit stud 5 tool player, ozzing with potential.
Cano at 2B, Jackson and Kemp in the OF with Montero and Romine on their way would make a very nice core. Garko/Kotchman could be apart of that core too. And if we sign CC, we are golden in the pitching department with CC, Wang, and Joba. Sprinkle in some Betances/Brackman/Garcia and Melancon, Sanchez, Coke, Bruney, in the pen and we are ready to roll.
Hughes, Cano and Kennedy for Peavy & Gonzalez (then sign Hudson) proposal,
put down the xbox/ps3 controller and step away.
“Al from Burger King,
You speak the truth. We need some young position players immediately and this is the perfect off-season to do it. I hope Cashman doesn’t overvalue Hughes like he did Kennedy/Horne.
We have one starting position player under age 33 – Cano. This lineup needs some turnover now.”
Well Nady is only 29 but I get your point. This line-up needs some youth with actual talent. I am willing to trade from strength to add an all-star caliber position player.
Oddessy:
haha yea I posted before i looked through, then after i posted i started reading other posts and i just sighed
i found out it was 8 runs didnt know it was only in 2 innings though, ouch.
well all i have to say is GO RAYS!!
“Oddessy
October 18th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Kemp is a RF’er. Cano at 2B, Jackson and Kemp in the OF with Montero and Romine on their way would make a very nice core. Garko/Kotchman could be apart of that core too. And if we sign CC, we are golden in the pitching department with CC, Wang, and Joba. Sprinkle in some Betances/Brackman/Garcia and Melancon, Sanchez, Coke, Bruney, in the pen and we are ready to roll”
yup.
post of the day.
GB7,,,,Austin Romine is not going to thge bigs as a catcher….I watched quite a bit as a HS player at El Toro High….I even had a plate assignment one time he caught for a Connie Mack game…Well above avaerage stick, great arm, lousy foot work…..I’ve mentioned this before, Isee him being a 3rd Baaseman….The real good catcher is the kid they just drafted from Huntington HS, Kyle Higashioka….Kid has power, great balance & footwork,and has a head for the game…..He’s the kid who very well maybe the catcher in the future…
No Dan Wheeler today please.
I am more comfortable with Chad Bradford closing.
“Kemp is 6′3″ 250 LBs already
He is a RF’er.
But he is a legit stud 5 tool player, ozzing with potential.”
I think Kemp could play center. Its not like there have never been big CF’s before: Just recently I can think of Josh Hamilton(6’4, 235), Andruw Jones(6’1, 240) and Torii Hunter(6’2, 230). I think that his speed and arm are good for CF.
Garko for 1B. (click on 1B)
Montero at 1st base
Higashioka at catcher
Romine in RF
Laird at 3rd
Jackson in CF
A-Rod at DH breaking records
“Garko for 1B. (click on 1B)”
Ryan Garko=Serious business. lol that guy sure can field.
if we sign Garko, can we change his last name?
the name Garko almost as dorky as Ohlendorf
i wonder how much we would have to trade/pay to get Garko?
The trades I think should go down are as follows:
1) Trade Hughes to LA for Matt Kemp, Kemp plays CF. Excellent speed (35 SB’s) and potential for huge offensive numbers(He’s only 23).
2) Trade IPK for Garko. Garko solid bat( typically bats around .300, decent power) and he has a great glove only 3 errors at 1B all year( also hes 27).
PAT M
October 18th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
GB7,,,,Austin Romine is not going to thge bigs as a catcher….I watched quite a bit as a HS player at El Toro High….I even had a plate assignment one time he caught for a Connie Mack game…Well above avaerage stick, great arm, lousy foot work…..I’ve mentioned this before, Isee him being a 3rd Baaseman….The real good catcher is the kid they just drafted from Huntington HS, Kyle Higashioka….Kid has power, great balance & footwork,and has a head for the game…..He’s the kid who very well maybe the catcher in the future…
_____________________________________________________
Pat, that was the same thing I saw in Romine when he played for Charleston. I thought he might be a corner outfielder (right field in particular). Not sure if he could do the job at first base. As far as third base, yes, maybe, but, as long as Alex Rodriguez is there, there’s not much chance of that. I do think he needs to invest in a few more gloves and first baseman’s mitts. I love that bat, though. I know that Brad Suttle played third base, but, he was woefully out of position. I see him having the same issues as KC’s Billy Butler, a bat without a position.
vinny-b:
well luckily the yanks dont have last names on the backs of the uniforms lol problem solved
al,
i agree, but i’d be just as happy if we kept brett in center, but got garko and 2 pitchers, and maybe a utility guy
ill try not to be TOO greedy lol
Pat M:
what-up, Pat. I checked your post (Romine).
it doesn’t matter to me too much, if Romine is not able to stay at catcher (provided he continues to hit).
what concerns me, is Romine was drafted largely for his catching skills. If you were able to detect his deficiencies at catcher, and NYY scouts were not before they selected him in the 3rd round. Well…that’s not good.
i wonder how much we would have to trade/pay to get Garko?
Garko would come cheap in a trade. Shoppach emerged as the everyday catcher, V-Mart will most likely shift to 1B, Hafner as DH, and they have Matt LaPorta and other 1B prospects waiting to come up.
Al -
Giambi can’t never do that. lol
Aol,
Great trade ideas. Hopefully Cash somehow gets to read them
“you gotta have faith(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!)(hopefully the rays kick red sox butt)
October 18th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
well luckily the yanks dont have last names on the backs of the uniforms lol problem solved”
yeah, you right
“al,
i agree, but i’d be just as happy if we kept brett in center, but got garko and 2 pitchers, and maybe a utility guy
ill try not to be TOO greedy lol”
I don’t think Gardner will ever be able to hit enough to be an everyday player. I would rather invest in a guy who will(in all likelihood) hit .300,25 HR,100 RBI w/40 SB’s in his career.
“Aol,
Great trade ideas. Hopefully Cash somehow gets to read them”
Thanks I try to make rational trade ideas not PS3/fantasy trades.
Twenty minutes away…Go Rays!!!
does everyone believe in my nickname ?
as long as we arent trading away players by the truckloadload then count me in!
How hard is it to play first base? Jason did it for years.
“‘big game’ James Shields October 18th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
does everyone believe in my nickname ?”
Yes, we all do good sir. Now go shut the door.
“does everyone believe in my nickname ?”
Why not. Beckett hasn’t looked like an “ace” or “the greatest postseason pitcher” this year and they keep calling him those names.
Vinny-b,,,,They drafted a stick that happens to be an above average HS catcher…They’ll continue to work with him of course, but appears to be too mechanical, slow release and a slower than average footwork…Every 1/10 of a second is the difference of throwing out a runner or not….He’s going to hit his way thru the Minors I believe…..GB7 may have a point about being a corner OF, he does have an arm no mistake…..He & the organization will figure it out…..Remember Posada was a 2nd baseman in the low minors before morphing into a catcher……Kyle is the kid to watch…I saw him in June at the Orange County All-Star game…..He caught Cole….
Ugh. Why couldn’t the pen hold the lead in the last game? Now we have to listen to all those “we’re not dead yet” quotes from the Sox.
“Ugh. Why couldn’t the pen hold the lead in the last game? Now we have to listen to all those “we’re not dead yet†quotes from the Sox.”
That was the worst part about that loss. I thought immediately, “oh god the quotes are gonna be unbearable”.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3650499
Still think the Yankees aren’t affected by the economy?
Ok. Check ya’ll later. Have to get to the bullpen/warm-ups. Then it will be time to shut these MF’s down.
Al,
I couldn’t understand Big Papi. But it might as well been King Kong saying, “HaHa. Your puny little arrows do nothing!”
Rays need to get this done tonight otherwise they will be defeated tomorrow no problem. They need to get to Beckett early and then get into that tired Boston bullpen.
Tonight is the night…Go Rays!
Rebecca,
Is that the article on Yankee memorabilia not fetching much at the MSG auction?
The Yankee fans are poor, but the Yankees are still rolling in dough.
I think they’ll be able to leverage their money even better because their pockets are deeper.
Mel: yeah.
“Al,
I couldn’t understand Big Papi. But it might as well been King Kong saying, “HaHa. Your puny little arrows do nothing!—
LMAO.
Why are they showing TV Bloopers on TBS? Is it just me?
This game is the only thing that stands between another Sox title.
If they win, they will win game 7 and sweep the Phillies enroute to another title. If Tampa and Anahiem’s pitching couldn’t slow the Sox, either will Myers, Blanton, and Moyer.
This game will make or break the Sox dynasty hopes as well. If they win, it will be 3 in 5 years.
God I hope they lose.
Pat: after Romine had been selected, i kept reading how his ‘pop times’ were off-the-chart. Go figure.
thank you for breaking it down. I will keep an eye on Kyle.
pat,
I asked the kids, “Who changed the channel?!”
TBS Funny Commercials if funny if you ever get a chance to catch it.
umm. Did terrorists take over TBS ?
I’m more worried about the Rays hitters squeezing the bats too tight and Beckett watching film and figuring out a way to kind of outsmart them with some off-speed junk than I am about Shields. Shields will be fine.
I could see this as a 3-2 or 4-3 type game one way. Papelbon will be ready to go 2 innings, Masterson will be warmed up in the pen.
Well, they’re going to lose me soon. College football on another channel.
did TBS forgot that there’s a game today?
ok good so we are all wondering where the game is right?
mel
I changed the channel myself thinking someone leaned on the remote by mistake. Rain delay in the Trop?
Investment banker Mark Anttanasio bought the Brewers for 180 million in 2005, you wonder how the current meltdown effects his finances regarding CC.
Don’t know that much about the owner but I do know that the 2009 season looks questionable for the Brewers, as CC, Ben Sheets, Eric Gagne, Guillermo Mota, Gabe Kapler, Mike Cameron, Craig Counsell, Ray Durham, Russell Branyan, Salomon Torres, Mike Lamb, and Brian Shouse will all be free agents after the 2008 season.
…what’s going on???
its funny, the channel guide said MLB Baseball, but its a blooper show.
I think TBS forgot that there’s a game today.
My first thought was a rain delay, then I remember they have a roof.
What’s going on???
Technical difficulties supposedly
Technical difficulties. Did Hank sneak over and pull a few plugs out?
WTH TBS? Technical difficulties????
pat,
I think it has something about the bull of the devil ray school butting the tank in a mass suicide. They know they’re going to lose.
Did anyone see a freeze frame of the players on the field for warmups earlier? I think it’s technical difficulties.
We’ll see if it comes back up.
Ist the start time 8.30 or something?
“harwood
October 18th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
ok good so we are all wondering where the game is right?”
yeah. Somethin like that.
tbs with technical difficulties
this is bizarre
What is this now? The Steve Harvey show?
Game is being streamed on channelsurfing.net in the mean time.
“Ist the start time 8.30 or something?”
Supposedly 8:07 start time.
pete,
Didn’t click the link, but ESPN has an article about the Brewers to go after CC. They want to put more wear and tear on his arm.
We’ll see how genuine CC’s remarks about the Brewers were.
“pat
October 18th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Technical difficulties. Did Hank sneak over and pull a few plugs out?”
yup. Sabotage.
Hank’s way of getting back at MLB for not having an extra wild-card team.
hmm one word, NO! No Manny!
“This game is the only thing that stands between another Sox title.
If they win, they will win game 7 and sweep the Phillies enroute to another title. If Tampa and Anahiem’s pitching couldn’t slow the Sox, either will Myers, Blanton, and Moyer.
This game will make or break the Sox dynasty hopes as well. If they win, it will be 3 in 5 years.
God I hope they lose.”
Why do posts like this sound like they come from Sox fans?
First pitch thrown. TBS is Homer mode. Stop giving this network games. NBC playoff baseball in 09 Bud.
don’t blame us if we ever doubt ya … you know we could’nt live without ya … trisha, you are the only, only, only!
Game’s on ESPN radio. However, I’m not near a radio so I’m watching hockey.
Coco picked off 1st!
Man, talk about dropping the ball!
Josh Beckett looks a lot like Cedric the Entertainer.
2 outs pedroia popped out. coco was picked. man tbs is never getting the playoffs again.
where is the game? TBS isn’t on.
Help
They started the game without TV coverage?
What the hell is this crap?
they’re showing some sitcom… this is pathetic.
I’m beyond pissed.
“And to those who scoff at my
Hughes, Cano and Kennedy for Peavy & Gonzalez (then sign Hudson) proposal,
Peavy is much better than Hughes
Gonzalez is much better than Cano
Kennedy is next to worthless & will never succeed as a Yankee and Hudson is an upgrade over Cano.
I doubt the Padres would even do that deal.”
Do you not see the contradiction in this whole paragraph? You suggested the trade and then went and described why the Padres would never do it.
why in the hell, did they let the teams start play ?
how about the sister station tnt? unless there’s no signal from the trop.
Napoleon Dynamite is on Comedy Central. I’ll watch that until the game comes on.
papi k’d inning over.
Clearly, Tampa Bay is going to win tonight and MLB can’t allow that to be shown, so no one will see the Red Sox lose and thus it will have “never happened.” How’ that for a conspiracy theory?
This is just bizarre
Game is apparently streaming online on channelsurfing.net but Id on’t have Windows Media Player.
Game is also on ESPN radio.
And I imagine Gameday is fully functional.
They are having technical diificulties. Listening on radio
cheer up everyone.
Frank TV, is up next
This is exactly why cable channels shouldn’t be allowed to have MLB games.
Keep it on 2, 4, 7 and even fox.
“Clearly, Tampa Bay is going to win tonight and MLB can’t allow that to be shown, so no one will see the Red Sox lose and thus it will have “never happened.†How’ that for a conspiracy theory?”
I wouldn’t put it past the Sux they already have ESPN in their pocket.
this really sucks.
E-Man,
As much as I hate to say it, if this game were on ESPN they’d at least be able to throw it back to the studio and have the Sportscenter guys keep us updated. This is a terrible job by TBS.
Apparently there’s a power outage in Atlanta and that’s shutting down TBS.
How much did TBS buy game rights for.
1.59
Where is FOX when you need them
wow.
Upton went yard. 1-0 Tampa.
HR
1-0 Rays
HR, Upton
1-0 Rays
1-0, BJ Upton homered.
“E-Man,
As much as I hate to say it, if this game were on ESPN they’d at least be able to throw it back to the studio and have the Sportscenter guys keep us updated. This is a terrible job by TBS. ”
True but someone else should be allowed to pick up the game. Right now TBS is the only one who owns the tv rights. I understand it’ll never happen because of money but mlb should give it an open coverage to anyone who wants it. I’m sure alot of the network channels would pick this one up right away.
Upton homer hits the trapeez in the Big Tent
thank you ABC Network, for scrolling the game info
Upton homer hit the trapeez in the Big Tent
first off – the beginning of the game should’ve been delayed, until network issues were resolved.
the ball was dropped twice.
I see that “Way Back Beckett” is off to another good start.
ugh TBS you stink.
BJ
i would trade cano and a prospect or two for adrian gonzalez,let gardner play center and sign 2 pitchers,a second baseman or move jeter to second and sign a shortstop.
whatever works for the team is what should be done.
this allows us to keep hughes,ajax,montero and the top prospects and gonzalez more than makes up for cano’s lost production.
can yuou imagine a lineup of
damon
jeter
gonzalez
arod
nady
matsui
posada
the new infielder
gardner
sign sabathia,dempster/perez/burnett,mussina/pettitte
rotation of
sabathia
wang
perez/dempster/burnett
mussina/pettitte
joba/hughes
first base is set for years,rotation set,keep the top prospects,gardner holds down center for ajax,we don’t overspend on tex,gonzalez is the same age as cano,we don’t watch hughes turn into a great pitcher for another team.
Only three outs separate the Sox from a 7th game in ALCS.
When two teams fight for a WSs ticket, one with enthusiasm and the other with experience, one ends plenty of enthusiasm and the other owning the experience…
It´s the experience, stupid!
Watch the super bowl online here.