Peavy not in a New York state of mind
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Oct 20, 2008 
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If you’re dreamin’ the Jake Peavy dream, you might want to let it go.
Peavy faced the Yankees on June 18 at the Stadium. That was the day the Yankees signed Sidney Ponson and my story in the paper the next day was mostly about that. But I did spend some time to go into the Padres clubhouse after the game and was among the small group of reporters who talked to Peavy. I didn’t use any of his quotes in my story but transcribed them anyway.
Somebody asked Peavy whether he enjoyed pitching at Yankee Stadium given that it was the last season.
“Yeah, it OK,” he said. “I’m glad I did it. But I’ve never really been one for New York. I just go from the hotel to the park.”
Hmm. That does not sound like somebody who would waive his no-trade clause to come play in the Bronx, does it?
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WFAN today agreed to a new deal with the Mets. Why do you care, Yankees fans? Well, had the Mets gone elsewhere, the Yankees would have likely been switched to WFAN. The ‘FAN and WCBS are sister stations and the ‘FAN has the rights to the Yankees. But since they’re keeping the Mets, the Yankees will stay on WCBS.
In other radio news (and I certainly don’t mean to intrude on the territory of Neil Best here), Michael Kay re-upped with ESPN Radio. His new deal runs through 2012.
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Joe Kerrigan, who was the Yankees bullpen coach from 2006-07, has been named the pitching coach of the Pirates. Kerrigan was replaced by Mike Harkey, Joe Girardi’s buddy and housemate. Kerrigan spent this season doing TV and radio work for the Phillies.
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That will likely be it for the blogging today. I’m headed to Foxboro to see the once-mighty Patriots tangle with those pesky Denver Broncos. Hopefully the Pats will put forth a better effort than the Jets did yesterday.
Jake Peavy = Ed Whitson
Pete the Peavy talks on here were dead a few days ago. We all know he doesn’t want to come here. CC/Burnett/Lowe those are the prizes this off-season.
Fine. Peavy doesn’t want to be a Yankee. His loss. We’ll just have to focus on the guys that want the honor of being a Yankee.
“We’ll just have to focus on the guys that want the honor of being a Yankee.”
Just let Sidney Ponson where to sign.
positive news.
NY doesn’t want Peavy. And Peavy doesn’t want NY.
Amen to the headline.
Hope the Phillies win in a short series, so we can get on with the business at hand.
“CC/Burnett/Lowe those are the prizes this off-season.”
But Al, are they really prizes?
CC may or may not want to come here.
AJ may or may not stay healthy during his contract.
Lowe may or may not be a big time party guy.
None of these guys are perfect. It’s almost like a political election where you are choosing between the lesser of two evils. I almost feel like we’ve got a gun to our heads.
“Amen to the headline.
Hope the Phillies win in a short series, so we can get on with the business at hand.”
Two words MATT STAIRS. lol
So we’ve moved on from Peavy? Finally. Though I am sure people will still be bringing up trade ideas on how to get him to the Bronx…
Al,
Who’s the underdog? The Rays are the new kid on the block, but everyone thinks they’ll win.
I think Philly can hang, even though they’re in the NL.
““CC/Burnett/Lowe those are the prizes this off-season.â€
But Al, are they really prizes?
CC may or may not want to come here.
AJ may or may not stay healthy during his contract.
Lowe may or may not be a big time party guy.
None of these guys are perfect. It’s almost like a political election where you are choosing between the lesser of two evils. I almost feel like we’ve got a gun to our heads.”
I kinda see this like when we got Mussina. Moose is a laid back guy who wanted no part of NYC. It took some convincing but in the end he signed and had a very successful career with us. I suspect a similar situation from CC he may need some convincing but I think he will at least here the Yankees offer. Moose didn’t even want to here our offer when he was a FA. Burnett is a risk but allegedly he wants to be here and Lowe who knows. I do see the Yanks being aggressive and I’m glad the Peavy talks have been laid to rest.
here’s to the pats kicking a lot of field goals. that guy is on my fantasy team…
“Al,
Who’s the underdog? The Rays are the new kid on the block, but everyone thinks they’ll win.
I think Philly can hang, even though they’re in the NL.”
I see it this way Rays in 6. However the Phils will play them tough. Phillies rotation outside of Hamels is unimpressive.
Yanks in 2010,
1, Teixeira has family in NY and is from Baltimore. The Angels aren’t a better team than the Yankees, they just had a healthy team and were able to trade for Teixeira during the season. The Yankees with Teixeira are better than the Angels with Teixeira. If the offers are the same, I see him in pinstripes next year.
2, OK, you don’t want Teixeira because he is too much like the best player in baseball, but you didn’t answer the question. Who is the grinder you would rather have than Teixeira and how can the Yankees get him?
“I do see the Yanks being aggressive and I’m glad the Peavy talks have been laid to rest.”
Oh, I have no doubt that they will be aggressive. I just worry about them using their their money to convince a guy to come here, who deep down, doesn’t want to. That’s a recipe for disaster … and failure.
Let Peavy rot in the south and never win anything.
Bring in guys who want to be here and are not afraid of the big stage and have guts.
This is why developing your own pitching is important.
Peavy is certainly a fine pitcher, but his numbers are also fraudulent. His home/road splits are pretty alarming. He plays in the most-pitcher friendly park in the league. A switch to the AL would and a more hitter friendly park would not produce a 2.85 ERA, more likely one over 4.
It’s best for the Yankees, and for Peavy, that any talks of a deal die quickly.
“2, OK, you don’t want Teixeira because he is too much like the best player in baseball, but you didn’t answer the question. Who is the grinder you would rather have than Teixeira and how can the Yankees get him?”
Yeah, I don’t get this knock on Tex. People are acting like the guy is some bum or a slacker. I’ve watched him over the years and I’ve seen nothing to indicate that he’d be a bad player or even worse, a bad Yankee. He strikes me as a guy who goes about his business in a quiet, professional way. Sounds like a good Yankee to me!
Give CC the highest offer– I have no problem with that.
But this talk of giving him 30-40% more money than the 2nd highest bidder is absolutely mindless. Why do we want someone like that on the team?
The Yankee will sign a FA pitcher, just for show and because they have to coming off a year like this, but atleast get one that WANTS to be a Yankee and enjoys NYC, not some guy who is only coming here for the money and isin’t sure if he can handle the big stage.
rconn23,
my thoughts exactly. id be weary even if he was a free agent but to give up Hughes or Cano and more would be a mistake for a guy who will most certainly have an ERA over 4 in the AL East
Maybe Olney’s a mole who was asked to leak the info. Turning off the fans to the idea. 7 years for a pitcher. Yikes.
Brilliant.
I agree, I don’t know where this Tex hate comes from— he is a very good player.
The only reason people can knock Tex is because he is looking to get paid, which is a childish reason for disliking him.
Nobody should be concerned how much Teixeria gets paid, thats for the organization to decide. They know how to manage their finances better than the armchair GMs here. He is a great player on both ends.
Turntables,
What’s not to like? You’re basically replacing Abreu’s numbers with a guy who’s 8 years younger, way better defensively, and bats from both sides.
I don’t want Teixeira and his albatross contract. Give me Dunn and either CC or AJ. Play Miranda a first and trade Cano in a deal for Matt Cain and I will be happier.
“I agree, I don’t know where this Tex hate comes from— he is a very good player.”
Tex just might be the best 2-way player in the game. Tremendous bat and the best glove at 1B in the game(except maybe youkilis).
if NYY misses out on CC, Burnett, and others they will turn to Teixeira.
Texeria is Plan D
actually, expect a better chance of Beltran to be in NYY, before Teixeira.
“The only reason people can knock Tex is because he is looking to get paid, which is a childish reason for disliking him.”
Which is ridiculous because as someone told me here earlier today, all FAs are looking to get paid.
I do think that Cashman needs to come up with a Plan B for 1B if we don’t get Tex. We cannot go yet another year with 1B being a question mark. If they don’t get a big bat for 1B, they better plan on keeping Abreu out in RF. We can’t lose both Abreu and Giambi’s run production w/o trying to replace it, at least in part.
“I don’t want Teixeira and his albatross contract. Give me Dunn and either CC or AJ. Play Miranda a first and trade Cano in a deal for Matt Cain and I will be happier.”
I’ve never heard that many bad ideas in only a few sentences. Tex is great and worth the cash, Dunn is a one way player and K’s 200 times a year, Miranda is NOT an everyday player and Matt Cain is a bit overrated and SF would never do that trade anyway.
“Texeria is Plan D
actually, expect a better chance of Beltran to be in NYY, before Teixeira.”
vinny, what are you smokin’? I find it very hard to believe that Tex is fourth on Cashman’s FA list of things to do. As for Beltran, the only way that deal comes off is if we send them Cano, which I doubt they will do.
My concerns with Jake Peavy are
a) he pitches in Petco Park which is more of a pitchers park.
b) he primarily goes up against a weak-hitting league in the National League, not to mention – weak hitting division in the NL West.
c) I think he has had one playoff appearance and I believe he was smoked by the Cardinals.
d) He’s never been pressure tested.
From all accounts, the Braves are the front runners in getting Peavy. It makes sense for the Braves to package their up and coming prospects for a top pitcher. It seems like they do it every other year. If I’m a Mets fan, I’d be concerned about Peavy going to the Braves. A 1-2 punch of Hudson and Peavy makes the NL East division that much tougher.
“….and Matt Cain is a bit overrated and SF would never do that trade anyway.”
Exactly. The only SF pitcher we should even be drooling over is probably Lincecum and I’m sure he’s not on the trade table.
Yankees in 2010,
Who do you think the Yankees would have to give up to get Garko?
I said before that the Yankees will be able to keep the pay roll around $180mil if they sign CC for $22mil/yr, Tex for $20mil/yr, and Pettitte for $10mil/yr.
That would give the Yankees a team of (I know a lot of people will disagree with where Cano is in the lineup, but I don’t care).
Lineup:
LF Damon, SS Jeter, 2B Cano, 3B A-Rod, 1B Teixeira, C Posada, RF Nady, DH Matsui, CF Gardner
Bench: C Molina, IF Betemit, OF Melky, PH Miranda
Rotation:
CC, Wang, Pettitte, Joba, Hughes with Aceves, Rasner, Kennedy, Wright, and Igawa available in AAA.
Bullpen:
Rivera, Bruney, Melancon, Coke, Ramirez, Veras, Aceves
“If I’m a Mets fan, I’d be concerned about Peavy going to the Braves. ”
Then the Mutts should make a play for Peavy. Oh, that’s right. Peavy doesn’t want to pitch in NYC. Oh, well. I guess the Mutts are screwed again!
By the way, on top of that talented roster, the Yankees would add 6-8 of the top 80 or so prospects in this years draft to the farm system.
“Who do you think the Yankees would have to give up to get Garko?”
I think I’ve missed something in this thread. Why exactly do we want Garko?
Laura,
Even if Peavy and the Mets wanted to get a deal done, they don’t have the chips to get him.
I don’t know much about their farm, but I think the cupboards pretty bare at the top of the system.
To the Jets thing, OUCH! Yesterday’s loss definitely stung, but we put up with a better effort against the Chargers then you guys did.
“I don’t know much about their farm, but I think the cupboards pretty bare at the top of the system.”
From what I’ve read, the Mutts have one high level prospect that everybody wants (I think he’s an OF), but they refuse to part with him.
Laura,
Yanks in 2010 said he’d rather get Garko than sign Teixeira. I just wanted to know what he thought they’d have to give up to get him.
“Laura,
Yanks in 2010 said he’d rather get Garko than sign Teixeira. I just wanted to know what he thought they’d have to give up to get him.”
I got that part. I wasn’t following why he thought Garko was better than Tex. Isn’t Garko the fool that made those stupid comments about champagne when we lost to CLE? He’s a loser. Leave him in CLE.
no. 27,
I think they (Free Garko guys) have decided that it won’t cost Hughes or Cano.
So Peavy answered the question to if he enjoyed pitching at the stadium with “Yeah it ok”?
Not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Who do you think the Yankees would have to give up to get Garko?
no.27 –
Ian Kennedy for Garko. I e-mailed Kat O’Brien recently about Cashman possibly talking to Mark Sharpiro about Ryan Garko. She said Garko would come cheap than other alternatives. IPK for Garko do make sense.
source:my e-mail
“….and Matt Cain is a bit overrated and SF would never do that trade anyway.â€
Exactly. The only SF pitcher we should even be drooling over is probably Lincecum and I’m sure he’s not on the trade table.
Amazing that you trash Cain who would do very well as a Yankee. He has had less then 3.2 runs per game support over the last 2 years and just turned 24. He has upped his innings pitched each of the last 4 seasons and has not missed a start.
Matt Cain is very much Andy Pettitte from the right side and pitcher winning teams always have. He has a nice Era in inter league games.
Yes Laura, that was Garko. He had his own blog for the postseason, dont know if he still does.
You guys see the pictures of Jeter’s girl. Yowza! I knocked him pretty hard for flying to Tex on his days off but I guess I can’t really blame him. Could it be getting serious? He’s been with this one a while.
On the other hand someone really needs to have a Madonna intervention with Alex. He’s out of his mind.
“Amazing that you trash Cain who would do very well as a Yankee.”
How is saying that Cain is overrated trashing him? That’s stating an opinion. I didn’t say that he was a dirtbag; neither did the person who made the original comment. That would be trashing him.
The point I made was that if I had a choice, I’d take Lincecum over Cain.
“Isn’t Garko the fool that made those stupid comments about champagne when we lost to CLE? He’s a loser. Leave him in CLE.”
He also made cracks about the “Yankee fans that strated leaving the Stadium at elimination game early last year”
If they do sign Tiexera I say you have to bat him 4th and A-Rod 3rd. Matsui 5th. That said I’d rather not sign Tex for 20m a year until the guy is almost 40, no thanks. And as CB has pointed out, the guy is very good, not great. Jeter, Manny, A-Rod are guys that get 20m plus. Can’t agree Tex is in their league.
Buyer beware on Peavy. Bad mechanics could lead to another Mark Prior.
Why all this talk of Tex, Garko, Manny etc?
Pitching wins hampionships
i also made some cracks to the fans leaving early during game 4 last year… pathetic, imo…
“I don’t want Teixeira and his albatross contract. Give me Dunn and either CC or AJ. Play Miranda a first and trade Cano in a deal for Matt Cain and I will be happier.â€
I’ve never heard that many bad ideas in only a few sentences. Tex is great and worth the cash, Dunn is a one way player and K’s 200 times a year, Miranda is NOT an everyday player and Matt Cain is a bit overrated and SF would never do that trade anyway.
Dunn K’d 164 times last season. I want to see what Dunn can really do and I am willing to risk getting him. He has played for 8 different managers in 8 years! He has never been on a winning team until going to the Dbacks. His left handed power is very much needed on the Yankees after Abreu, Damon, Matsui and Giambi are gone. I would happily play Dunn in Rf as he can’t be any worse then Booby one hop fielder Abreu!
As for the great Teixiera who are you getting the guy who did great in a contract year or the guy who in 06 K’d 128 times? Tex did great playing in the AL West who had no pitching!
Miranda deserves a real chance at winning the first base job. He has played very well since signing with the Yankees after being out of professional Baseball for over 2 1/2 years. The guy rips right handed pitching and has a good eye. Give him time and he will be decent against lefties as well. Miranda will hit somewhere between 25 and 30 home runs. Miranda or the 150 million Tex? Give me Miranda everyday!
I wouldn’t give up Cano for Cain, thats probably what it would take. SF has no position players at all, they have plenty of young pitching.
I’d rather sign Burnett and hope for the best than trade for some NL pitcher.
Teixeira is a better defender at his position than Manny, Jeter, or A-Rod and has had comparable OPS to Manny and Teixeira. And he’s a switch hitter. How did CB prove that Teixeira is very good, but not great?
Rob,
No one’s saying Tex is better than A-rod and Manny. Jeter and Tex aren’t far off.
$20M sounds like a lot. But you’ve got guys like Abreu collecting $16M, bums like Andruw Jones collecting $16M. Ichiro’s not better than Alex or Manny and he’s getting $20M for the next 5 years(?).
I wouldn’t go overboard, but it’d be worth it to kick the tires.
He’s very patient at the plate and didn’t shrink in the playoffs.
“If they do sign Tiexera I say you have to bat him 4th and A-Rod 3rd. Matsui 5th. That said I’d rather not sign Tex for 20m a year until the guy is almost 40, no thanks. And as CB has pointed out, the guy is very good, not great. Jeter, Manny, A-Rod are guys that get 20m plus. Can’t agree Tex is in their league.”
Gold glove 1B who hits .300 every year with 35+ HR’s 100+ RBI and an OPS near .1000, yeah your right he isn’t great.
Ryan Garko is an average player, if that. He will in no way help the Yankees.
Tex is one of the top 5 first basemen in the game offensively and defensively. Again, who else is on that list? Pujols, Berkman and then? And don’t say Morneau, he has better numbers than Morneau.
If Tex wants more than 7 years, the Yankees should walk. But he is easily the safest bet among all free agents. It’s not even close.
Teixeria will save Jeter, Arod, and even Cano many errors.
He will also save doubles down the line from Drew and Youkallis. He was a magician out there in the playoffs.
He is exactly the type of 2-way player we need. He isin’t a slugger. He is a switch hitter and gold glover. Wasn’t the plan to get younger and much better defensively?
Teix is such a no brainer, the perfect fit for our lineup.
You’d take Miranda over Teixeira because of what it will cost the Yankees? There is no way in hell the Yankees are going to open up the new stadium with Miranda at 1st base. The Yankees need to bring in some offense to replace Giambi and Abreu. Miranda is not the answer. Cashman said it himself that the offense was the reason the Yankees missed the playoffs. He’s not going to miss the opportunity to fix that by not signing Teixeira.
No. 27
I think they wouldn’t have to give up that much…I don’t know exactly how much…Kennedy, Wright, etc…
Laura
Obviously Garko is not as good as Tex..obviously…my point is what is the backup plan IF he doesn’t sign…and I raised concerns about the fact that Tex would cost a lot of money when its not sure if he can perform when it counts..ala A-ROD
If you are going to spend a huge some of money…you have to know what the known commodity is..
““I don’t want Teixeira and his albatross contract. Give me Dunn and either CC or AJ. Play Miranda a first and trade Cano in a deal for Matt Cain and I will be happier.â€
I’ve never heard that many bad ideas in only a few sentences. Tex is great and worth the cash, Dunn is a one way player and K’s 200 times a year, Miranda is NOT an everyday player and Matt Cain is a bit overrated and SF would never do that trade anyway.
Dunn K’d 164 times last season. I want to see what Dunn can really do and I am willing to risk getting him. He has played for 8 different managers in 8 years! He has never been on a winning team until going to the Dbacks. His left handed power is very much needed on the Yankees after Abreu, Damon, Matsui and Giambi are gone. I would happily play Dunn in Rf as he can’t be any worse then Booby one hop fielder Abreu!
As for the great Teixiera who are you getting the guy who did great in a contract year or the guy who in 06 K’d 128 times? Tex did great playing in the AL West who had no pitching!
Miranda deserves a real chance at winning the first base job. He has played very well since signing with the Yankees after being out of professional Baseball for over 2 1/2 years. The guy rips right handed pitching and has a good eye. Give him time and he will be decent against lefties as well. Miranda will hit somewhere between 25 and 30 home runs. Miranda or the 150 million Tex? Give me Miranda everyday!”
Do you watch baseball? So what if Tex K’d 130 times 2 years ago A-Rod K’s well over 100 times every year, guess he sucks too. Dunn is a DH in the AL and is probably the worst every day OF in the game. Sure He might hit 50 HR’s in YS but he is a Giambi clone with less of an eye. Miranda is a platoon player at best stop this nonsense please. Also if you think Dunn would come cheap think again he wants the same amount of money/years that Tex does since he is the same age.
Glad to hear that Peavy is no longer a consideration for the Bronx….I just think he doesn’t translate well in the AL East….I’ve said this before, he’d be a 15-10 guy….
If Tex wants more than 7 years, the Yankees should walk. But he is easily the safest bet among all free agents. It’s not even close.
that is why Garko is plan B.
Joba is the hart and soul of the team, the face of the franchise, the rock star that NY loves.
He will learn from this and be a better person. His face is plastered across America now connected to DUI, he will be embarrassed and never do it again.
no. 27,
I can see Cashman pulling a Bubba Crosby with the 1B position.
“We feel comfortable opening the season with John Miranda at…(what was that?)…Oh…We feel comfortable opening the season with Juan Miranda at first base.”
What makes you think Teixeira can’t perform when it counts? He doesn’t have that reputation and this was his only year in the playoffs and he was great offensively AND defensively.
“How did CB prove that Teixeira is very good, but not great?”
i’m pretty sure it came down to VORP
saucY,
Nope. I think it’s because he’s a slightly cross-eyed.
I may not remember this correctly, but weren’t Giambi and Mussina not really NY guys when they first came here?
27: CB pointed out Teixera’s (am I butchering the spelling?) VORP in relation to other top players. He isn’t as good a 1b as Berkman, Pujols, Youkillis, Mourneau, and probably Cabrera. Tex is very good, not great. He is getting billed by folks as a savior and I just don’t buy the hype. That’s all.
Mel: Abreu is overpaid, that’s why we got him from Philly. Ichiro was #7 on the value over replacement player list last year in the AL. He deserves the money. I agree with you totally. kick the tires and see what it might take. That said, I wouldn’t go the 200m 10 year route like some people will.
Pete,
Watch Jay Cutler tonight, his arm is a thing of beauty.
Rob,
No one here is saying $200M/10.
I think 7yrs/$140~$150 at the most.
Of course Boras is going to put set the bar high.
Rob,
Teix is not a savior, he is a 30 HR/100 RBI switch hitter to help bolster a lineup that scored 200 less runs than last year and hasn’t hit in the postseason in years.
The lineup is just as much of a problem as the pitching. It is old, one dimensional, bad defense, no speed, no fundamentals etc.
Tex isint a savior, he is a useful addition. I’d much rather sign Manny, but we know Cashman won’t.
Pete, I would have to believe that Peavy himself could come into this forum and tell everyone he didn’t want to play for the Yankees and you’d still have a segment of the forum deciding that for the right money Peavy would come here and then would proceed to make trade proposals for him.
Crazy.
And when I say “not as good” clearly he has a fantastic glove which is obviously better than Cabrera, i’m just talking about his overall value to the team, offense and defense. Sure, I think he is one of if not the best 1st base options available via realistic trade and free agency. But he isn’t the best 1st baseman in baseball, or the AL, he just isn’t.
“that is why Garko is plan B.”
A first baseman with a .750 OPS shouldn’t even be a plan J.
Oh, sure he’s cheap, he’s just not any good.
Dan L in NJ,
For the record, in 2006, when Teixeira struck out 128 times, he also hit 33 home runs, had 110 RBIs, and had an .885 OPS, his worst year since his rookie year. Oh look, he won a gold glove that year too. He would be 2nd on last year’s team to A-Rod in HRs and OPS, 1st in walks, doubles, and total bases, and 3rd in runs and OBP.
THAT WAS HIS WORST YEAR SINCE HIS ROOKIE YEAR. That season is exactly why the Yankees need to get him.
I DO NOT want to come to the Yankees. I want to go to the South. I will be Ed Whitson in NY. I am not mentally tough to handle the AL or NY! Do not trade for me! Trade for my teammate, Chris Young instead.
So, we’re in agreement? Tex is not a must-have, but definitely a nice-to-have?
But he isn’t the best 1st baseman in baseball, or the AL, he just isn’t.
Then who is in the AL? The only two close I see are Youkilis, who is having far and away a career year and Morneau, who numbers aren’t as good as Teixeira.
I’d rather play Ransom/Miranda at 1B instead of Garko
Mel: that is the exact point. IMO you have to go all in for Sabbathia. You can walk away from the table if Tex needs to have what Boras is floating out there. Even if it’s close to that. Very good player that can help this team, not a must have.
mel,
I’d say thats a fair assessment. I don’t see we why wouldn’t sign Tex though. Seems like kind of a no-brainer as long as it doesn’t exceed 7/$150.
haha, Rob. I feel the same way about CC. Nice-to-have, but not at a steep premium.
Rconn: I mentioned 3 better than him, Cabrera, Youkillis, and Mourneau.
http://www.baseballprospectus......cid=312000
Youkilis is not better than Teixiera, but, that doesn’t mean I want Teixiera, either.
I want CC here only if he genuinely wants to be here and isin’t coming here because our offer is significantly higher than the West Coast teams.
Thats the key for Cashman— find out quickly how willing he is to come here. If he isin’t, then move on. Don’t be in there just to drive up the price. Don’t sell your soul for CC.
Laura
October 20th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
“Amazing that you trash Cain who would do very well as a Yankee.â€
How is saying that Cain is overrated trashing him? That’s stating an opinion. I didn’t say that he was a dirtbag; neither did the person who made the original comment. That would be trashing him.
The point I made was that if I had a choice, I’d take Lincecum over Cain
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thanks for stating the obvious by wanting lincecum over cain.so would the entire world.
first thing,it won’t happen.second,it would cost the yankees every single one of their prospects.i am still laughing.
The trick is to figure out who we can get. None of those 3 are available. Garko and Blalock are below Teixeira.
If I’m not mistaken, Texeira’s been a productive player over a period of time. Sort of like Alex. Sort of like Matsui. Sort of like Abreu.
Get me that kind of player.
Has anyone heard Rick Ankiel’s name come up in trade talks?
Yes, I’m sober. I ask only because I’m getting hits on my blog from people searching ‘ankiel to yankees’. I can’t possibly believe it’s serious…but you never know.
Sorry, didn’t mean to be rude there. It’s just been a while since we’ve had a real 1B. It’s been ignored for far to long to go jerry-rigging when we could be rocking at the position.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Sox sign Teixeria
Trade Lowell for a young catcher, move Youkallis to 3rd, Tex to Protect Manny
aardvark …did u forget Manny is not on the red sox anymore…or do you assume they will sign him against everything they have said for the last 3 months
“Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Sox sign Teixeria
Trade Lowell for a young catcher, move Youkallis to 3rd”
You’re post was scaring me until you wrote:
“Tex to Protect Manny”
And then you lost me.
I don’t agree with the use of VORP ratings to decide whether or not Teixeira should be signed. I’d say look at his production throughout his career. From that, figure out what you can expect from him over the life of the contract and decide how much that is worth to the Yankees.
Telling me that Kevin Youkilis is a better player than Mark Teixeira based on a statistic doesn’t convince me. I’ll take Teixeira over any 1st baseman other than Pujols and Miguel Cabrera.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Staying to write the story
October 20th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Has anyone heard Rick Ankiel’s name come up in trade talks?
Yes, I’m sober. I ask only because I’m getting hits on my blog from people searching ‘ankiel to yankees’. I can’t possibly believe it’s serious…but you never know.
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Ankiel’s a FA next year, so, I’m sure that the two teams may talk about players. NYY needs somebody that can play center field or a corner and St. Louis needs pitching. Not sure that they can agree on a deal for Ankiel, but, Skip Schumaker would be a really nice addition to the Yanks. Some power, speed, very good arm and he covers a lot of ground. Only thing he needs to do is change that first name. St. Louis has Rasmus ready to take over in center field and they have Ludwick in one of the corner spots.
Maybe because I’ve been rooting for the Rays so strongly over the last 10 days and it’s carrying over but I sort of want them to win it all now.
Strange?
again…I will ask to be enlightened.
But why Lowe?
MJR,
He is probably the 3rd option if we miss out on CC, Burnett, and can’t get anyone in a trade. He will be a merely a token signing by the organization, if he is signed.
i would be more upset with joba if he didn’t throw 99 mph.
but he is just a kid, he will be fine. aces make mistakes sometimes, especially young aces
trade cano and kennedy for adrian gonzalez.
he puts up the same numbers than tex for half the price,we keep hughes,the money difference can be used to sign an infielder.
if tex would settle for 5 or 6 yrs 18-20 million a year i would do it in a second though.gonzalez or tex is exactly what the yankees need.
after that sign sabathia,mussina and dempster or perez,then after next season get younger at the corner outfield spots.
play gardner in center.he adds speed,youth that the yankees desperately need.miranda backing up tex and dh’ing.
Bronx Jeers: not strange to me.
the Rays win yesterday, served to block out the Jets game sunday. It’s as if the the game never existed.
go Rays.
GB: Thanks for that take on it.
Has anyone heard Rick Ankiel’s name come up in trade talks?
hmm, I rather have Ludwick or Skip(py) than Ankiel.
Rebecca –
I read on MLBTR last week that the Cardinals are possibly considering trading one of their 3 main OFers. Skip, Ludwick, or Ludwick.
Bronx Jeers -
Not strange to me, either. Though, I don’t truly care who wins, I’ll probably passively root for the Rays.
Or I’ll do what one of my daughters does and root for whoever is currently leading the series.
Sorry, didn’t mean to be rude there. It’s just been a while since we’ve had a real 1B. It’s been ignored for far to long to go jerry-rigging when we could be rocking at the position.
I agree one way or another they need to get a first baseman who can play the position every day and be able to handle the stick. Again, I’m not against Tex as a player, he is good. I’m against giving him top 15 player money and years, that’s all.
GB 7 -
that bad thing about Skip Schumaker, is that he can’t hit lefties.
Any time, Rebecca. I would love to see Ankiel in the Yankee outfield, but, not sure of thecost. I’m sure thaqt Jackson would be asked for, among others, but, not a necessity. Given the FA status, possibly a Kennedy, Aceves and Cabrera type deal, but, I doubt it.
And after the Jets tried so very hard to lose in regulation and eventually needed most of an overtime quarter to really hit bottom.
Yes they looked over-matched and out-coached by the doormats of the NFL.
Unfortunately I couldn’t watch the Rays game so I have that performance burned in my mind.
ipk for mike jacobs or jeremy hermedia
And Skip Schumacker’s first name is Jared so you don’t HAVE to call him Skip lol
Why would a team take any kind of chance on Lowell – an older player getting pretty significant surgery on his hip, when there is a chance he won’t be able to play the field well? No team is going to trade for Lowell unless he is a throw in.
The Red Sox have a 1st baseman as well who is near ready to come up. I don’t see them signing Teixeira as a high priority.
The RS might sniff around the trade to help keep the price tag up, but I don’t see it with Teix.
Peavy would be severely hammpered by a move to the AL EAST. His splits are bad when you look at them closely. Also, he’s been clobbered in his playoff games, and the play-in game he pitched against Colorado. The guy would be a disaster IMO, in NY.
No thanks.
“Or I’ll do what one of my daughters does and root for whoever is currently leading the series.”
What? that’s no fun. It should be the opposite no?
Really I feel as I should be rooting for the Phils as I dislike the Mets and logic says that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Also the Rays are an enemy as well as they are an enemy of the Yanks but I really want them to win.
I guess it’s the Cinderella factor.
Ed – looking forward to 2009
October 20th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
GB 7 -
that bad thing about Skip Schumaker, is that he can’t hit lefties.
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That was always the knock on Paul O’Neill, too. Schumaker hasn’t had much of a chance to prove whether he could or not. He did hit .375 against lefties in 2007, although it was in 29 at bats. He only had 118 at bats this past year, so with a .305 season BA, he tore up the right handers.
If I wasn’t cheering for Victorino, I’d probably root for the AL.
But I still wouldn’t be able to root for a division rival.
GB: My friend and I were having trouble with it because we couldn’t figure o ut how St. Louis would value Ankiel.
Guys, looks like I haven’t been that far off the mark
http://www.stltoday.com/forums.....p?t=579671
“According to FSN, the Yankees have been talking to the Cards about a package that would send Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, and a third prospect for Ankiel and Bryan Anderson. Thoughts?”
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Staying to write the story
October 20th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
GB: My friend and I were having trouble with it because we couldn’t figure o ut how St. Louis would value Ankiel.
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Tough question, Rebecca. Not sure what Ankiel’s desire is to stay in St. Louis. I know STL said they’d like him to stay, but, they couldn’t afford a bidding war. I’m also sure that Ankiel feels some obligation to STL for allowing him the chance to rebuild his career. He’s from Florida, so, I would think that besides the Yanks, Florida and Atlanta, among others would have great interest in him.
Bronx Jeers -
Well, I rooted for the Phillies and I rooted for the Rays (and against the Sox), so how about this – I’ll root for whoever wins the first game.
Rebecca -
I don’t know a lot about Ankiel or Bryan Anderson, but my natural tendency is to question why the Yankees would give up two pitching prospects. Wouldn’t it be tantamount to giving up on the “process?”
According to FSN, the Yankees have been talking to the Cards about a package that would send Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, and a third prospect for Ankiel and Bryan Anderson. Thoughts?â€
Ankiel worth Hughes and Kennedy? No thank you.
Ankiel for Hughes and Kennedy?
A aerial hunt prospect huggers for sport and even I wouldn’t make that trade.
Doreen, I don’t disagree.
And I mean, FSN is FSN. However, I could see the Yankees trading Ian fairly easily.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Staying to write the story
October 20th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Guys, looks like I haven’t been that far off the mark
http://www.stltoday.com/forums.....p?t=579671
“According to FSN, the Yankees have been talking to the Cards about a package that would send Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, and a third prospect for Ankiel and Bryan Anderson. Thoughts?â€
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Hard to see them using Hughes as part of that deal for one year of Ankiel plus a catcher without good defensive skills and no or limited power.
The Yankees would be making a big mistake trading Hughes for Ankiel.
Just reading the responses from the Cardinal faithful and they are just blown away with the thought of getting not only Hughes, but Kennedy as well…..This is the most absurd rumor to date……
Ankiel’s history with PEDs makes him a good fit here.
Gb 7 -
I would rather trade for Ryan Ludwick. Sure, Ankiel is like Ruth, a pitcher turned into a hitter. Despite Ankiel’s bionic arm, Ludwick is better defensively.
I have no opinions about Peavy becoming a Yank but it sure does seem like the more articles are printed about how unlikely it is for x player to become a yank the more likely it is the player becomes a yank.
terrible trade.
hughes and kennedy has to land more or you have to keep them.
the yankee can survive with gardner in center.hughes has to land a good young first baseman,centerfielder or pitcher.
who comes up with this crap?
hughes for fielder
bru
October 20th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
who comes up with this crap?
bru
October 20th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
hughes for fielder
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The same ones that comes up with this crap.
busted
“you gotta have faith(MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!)(hopefully the rays kick red sox butt)
October 19th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
THE RAYS WILL WIN!
yeah i said it.”
gotta say i told you so.
lol
GreenBeret7
October 20th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
bru
October 20th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
who comes up with this crap?
bru
October 20th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
hughes for fielder
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The same ones that comes up with this crap.
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i knew i could count on you gb.just wanted to see if u were paying attention.
“that is why Garko is plan B.”
Except that Garko is clearly an idiot {based on his comments from last postseason}. Why would we want him on the team?
Rebecca -
I agree – I could see Kennedy going before Hughes.
Doreen
October 20th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Rebecca -
I agree – I could see Kennedy going before Hughes.
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ya think??????
bru -
put…down…the…controller…and…step…away!!!
And just to think, nothing gets going until 2 weeks after the Series is over…..That’s a great deal of time for all to sharpen their fictional writing skills……
Laura -
I’m not defending Garko in any way, I think its him and the whole team that they were swept during the regular season and was frustasted.
Ed – looking forward to 2009
October 20th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
bru -
put…down…the…controller…and…step…away!!!
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no.now go away
The only way a deal gets done involving Ankiel would be with a contract extention and without Hughes involved in the deal. Either Coke or Aceves would need to be substituted.
And if somehow some way the Yankees ended up getting him, we’d hear the load of garbage line. “I’ve always wanted to pitch for the Yankees, it is every kids dream”.
Pat, yeah, I wouldn’t believe it either.
Ed: what is your email addy?
vinny b –
i got 2 emails addy. email me to nyczextreme@hotmail.com so I could give you the one I use regularly.
O/T, but here’s a very cool story:
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf.....id=3654494
Why are people discussing Hughes for Rick Ankiel? Seriously when you could get an actual long term position stud why even mention a 30 yr old roid guy? Kemp/Ethier, Votto/Bruce those are the only names I would trade Phil for. Anyone watching Knicks preseason they look alright, but then again its preseason.
Hey Al how does Gallinari look? I’m not sold on spending the pick on a guy from Europe but being up here in Boston for school I don’t get to watch the Knicks so I don’t know how he has been. Think he’ll be good for them?
Knicks will be decent… a real coach is going to do wonders for this team.
I wish we sucked though, then we would have a chance at a high pick.
mel
October 20th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
O/T, but here’s a very cool story:
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf.....id=3654494
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I’m not much into golf, but, I do enjoy watching great athletes in all sports, especially without the showboating.
I haven’t seen anything on Seve Ballesteros’ recovery from brain surgery, though. I assume it was a malignant tumor, but, haven’t heard definately, other than it was a massive tumor.
Thank God!
GB7,
I saw that there were complications, but didn’t read too much after that.
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We know that Belichick was around the Yankees sometimes. This is Bill talking about how he couldn’t turn Game 5 off:
And why couldn’t Belichick move on to something else? Joe Torre and Tony LaRussa would have been disappointed in him.
“That’s the difference between baseball and football,” Belichick said. “You have to get them out. You can’t run out the clock. It’s a tough nine outs. Joe Torre told me that, and LaRussa verified it. You have to get them out.”
Belichick explained what would seem like a no-duh statement.
“That’s the truth,” Belichick said. “They give me a hard time about that: ‘When you guys get the lead, you can just sit on the ball and run the clock out. We have to get them out. Somebody has to pitch and somebody has to get them out.’
“They made a good point there. I mean, that’s true when you are on defense in football. You have to stop them. It’s one thing if you have the ball, but if they have it you have to stop them.”
“Hey Al how does Gallinari look? I’m not sold on spending the pick on a guy from Europe but being up here in Boston for school I don’t get to watch the Knicks so I don’t know how he has been. Think he’ll be good for them?”
Very up-tempo Rob as you would expect from a D’antoni run team. Gallinari hasn’t played yet because of back trouble, however he allegedly has the best 3-point stroke on the team. I think he could be a decent player if he ever gets healthy.
The part that scares me about a D’antoni team is that it never seems like they play serious defense. That’s why I always loved VanGundy. But anything is better than Isaiah so here’s to a decent team this year.
Al, it’s not a serious discussion. I was just curious why someone was googling ‘ankiel to yankees’
Guys, if you can, pick up that new DVD set Yankees Essential Games. My sister got it for me for my birthday. I’m watching the Aaron Boone game and I have to tell ya – watching that HR never gets old. What’s cool about the DVD is that it lets you pick what inning you want to watch. You don’t have to sit through the entire game to get to that HR. Just arrow over to Inning 11 and it’s right there.
It’s amazing watching that game. There are so many faces, some many players that aren’t Yankees anymore. It’s good to see the faces of Jeff Nelson and Ruben Sierra. Watching Bernie drive in Jeter is special It feels good to go back to happy Yankee memories. Lord knows we didn’t have many this year.
Anyway, if you’ve got $50 to spend (which might be tough in this economy), you’ll love it.
“Al, it’s not a serious discussion. I was just curious why someone was googling ‘ankiel to yankees’”
Fair enough, I was a bit scared when I first started to read that I was thinking “No please no PED Ankiel!!” lol.
“Guys, if you can, pick up that new DVD set Yankees Essential Games. My sister got it for me for my birthday. I’m watching the Aaron Boone game and I have to tell ya – watching that HR never gets old. What’s cool about the DVD is that it lets you pick what inning you want to watch. You don’t have to sit through the entire game to get to that HR. Just arrow over to Inning 11 and it’s right there.
It’s amazing watching that game. There are so many faces, some many players that aren’t Yankees anymore. It’s good to see the faces of Jeff Nelson and Ruben Sierra. Watching Bernie drive in Jeter is special It feels good to go back to happy Yankee memories. Lord knows we didn’t have many this year.
Anyway, if you’ve got $50 to spend (which might be tough in this economy), you’ll love it.”
I’ll try to pick it up Laura. I always love to sit back and reminisce. I’m broke right now I’ll harass my uncle for some debts he owes me and I’ll grab it before Halloween.
“I’ll try to pick it up Laura. I always love to sit back and reminisce. I’m broke right now I’ll harass my uncle for some debts he owes me and I’ll grab it before Halloween.”
I’m watching the inning where Grady Little made his mistake. He should have had Embree pitch to Godzilla. Thank God he didn’t.
One more thing – the energy and excitement from the team is … well, something we didn’t see this year. They are living and dying with every pitch. Part of it has to do with it being a Game 7. Still, if they could play like this next year – with the fire and the intensity that they had in this game, there’s nothing they can’t get done. Of course, it was a totally different team. They were younger and maybe hungrier. Still, watching them be this excited almost makes me want to cry.
That might be a girl thing.
That was also the game in which Mike Mussina came in as a reliever with the bases loaded and none out and got out of it with no more damage, right? Heroic effort there. Wow, I hope he comes back.
This football game was starting so well, grrrrrr. Last night the kid from Vanderbilt closes out the Sox, tonight the QB from Vanderbilt is supposed to be crushing the spirit of New England. Come on, Cutler, get on it!
““I’ll try to pick it up Laura. I always love to sit back and reminisce. I’m broke right now I’ll harass my uncle for some debts he owes me and I’ll grab it before Halloween.â€
I’m watching the inning where Grady Little made his mistake. He should have had Embree pitch to Godzilla. Thank God he didn’t.”
That reminds me of how fast Sux fans turn on their manager. I thought I had gone insane when I actually heard a few so called “sox fans” call up a local radio station and proceed to rip Tito for them losing game 7. These are the same folks who called up Grady Little’s house and sent him hate mail after the 03 LCS. Truly classy folks.
“One more thing – the energy and excitement from the team is … well, something we didn’t see this year. They are living and dying with every pitch. Part of it has to do with it being a Game 7. Still, if they could play like this next year – with the fire and the intensity that they had in this game, there’s nothing they can’t get done. Of course, it was a totally different team. They were younger and maybe hungrier. Still, watching them be this excited almost makes me want to cry.
That might be a girl thing.”
I assure you its not a “girl thing” I shed manly tears when I watch Yankeeography so I’m not one to judge
“I assure you its not a “girl thing†I shed manly tears when I watch Yankeeography so I’m not one to judge”
Whew, glad to hear that. I was starting to worry.
Yankees Essential Games sounds like a holiday gift.
Wasn’t there a DVD of the ESPN(?) special on the history of the Stadium? Does anyone know name of it?
I don’t know, I was watching the Kei Igawa Yankeeography and it left me pretty unemotional.
“I thought I had gone insane when I actually heard a few so called “sox fans†call up a local radio station and proceed to rip Tito for them losing game 7. These are the same folks who called up Grady Little’s house and sent him hate mail after the 03 LCS. Truly classy folks.”
You should look up stupid Bill Simmons’ nESPN article about Francona after game 3 in 2004 and how poorly he used the bullpen. I’ll never forget how Francona went from being another Grady Little to a genius. Maybe if I ever leave work I’ll search for the article.
“I don’t know, I was watching the Kei Igawa Yankeeography and it left me pretty unemotional.”
Nick, I see you haven’t lost your sense of humor.
OK… I was compelled to find it:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ons/041017
I especially enjoyed this:
“5. Torre’s so good – he’s the anti-Francona”
Speaking of first basemen, how much would Lou Gehrig have been worth on the open market under today’s dollars ?
Joe- Yankees Stadium baseballs cathedral? I haven’t watched it yet.
Knicks playing like the Suns in preseason. 3 pointers from 30 feet away, hey at the bare minimum the Knicks will be fun to watch this year.
“Speaking of first basemen, how much would Lou Gehrig have been worth on the open market under today’s dollars ?”
Gehrig was a bad defender but the best offensive 1B to ever live so I’d say he could get 30 mil a year.
How much could Gary Cooper get?
Thanks, Jennifer, that title sounds familiar, I think that might be it.
Al from BK( OFF-SEASON GOALS: Get CC and possibly more, find a real first baseman.)
October 20th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
“Speaking of first basemen, how much would Lou Gehrig have been worth on the open market under today’s dollars ?â€
Gehrig was a bad defender but the best offensive 1B to ever live so I’d say he could get 30 mil a year.
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Exactly what are you basing Gehrig’s “bad” defense on? His numbers against this era’s numbers? How about because this era’s first baseman’s mitts are twice the size of Gehrig’s and most gloves are 2 to 3 three times as big.
Nick: That’s it. I got it for free at fanfest
Knicks playing like the Suns in preseason. 3 pointers from 30 feet away, hey at the bare minimum the Knicks will be fun to watch this year.
This gonna be a loooooooooooooooooonnnnnnng season
Any thoughts on what it will take to get Meche in a trade?
“Al from BK( OFF-SEASON GOALS: Get CC and possibly more, find a real first baseman.)
October 20th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
“Speaking of first basemen, how much would Lou Gehrig have been worth on the open market under today’s dollars ?â€
Gehrig was a bad defender but the best offensive 1B to ever live so I’d say he could get 30 mil a year.
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Exactly what are you basing Gehrig’s “bad†defense on? His numbers against this era’s numbers? How about because this era’s first baseman’s mitts are twice the size of Gehrig’s and most gloves are 2 to 3 three times as big.”
I’ve read a lot of biographical books about Gehrig and they all pretty much said he was a butcher at first but his bat made up for it. If you think I’m trying to insult the Iron Horse then you’re wrong I was just saying that he wasn’t known for his glove.
NYY’s not likely to trade for pitchers as long as their biggest targets are on the FA market.
“Knicks playing like the Suns in preseason. 3 pointers from 30 feet away, hey at the bare minimum the Knicks will be fun to watch this year.
This gonna be a loooooooooooooooooonnnnnnng season”
Hey at least Nate Robinson/David Lee and Wilson Chandler have looked good. Those are the only guys I care about.
NYY’s not likely to trade for pitchers as long as their biggest targets are on the FA market.
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What if they can’t get CC…and don’t want Lowe…and don’t want to take a risk on Burnett
I think Meche would be a solid addition…
I say Romine could get it done…
Good evening GB7.
I just wanted you to know that I did not jump off the bridge after last night.
I am sure you are greatly relieved!!!
Should be an interesting offseason and see where Tex, CC, Burnett, and Manny end up.
Brandon, debes mirar el hockey…donde los equipos se ganan algunas veces
“NYY’s not likely to trade for pitchers as long as their biggest targets are on the FA market.
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What if they can’t get CC…and don’t want Lowe…and don’t want to take a risk on Burnett
I think Meche would be a solid addition…
I say Romine could get it done…”
Would the Royals do IPK for Meche? Meche would be a way better 4-5 than Ponson/Rasner.
“Good evening GB7.
I just wanted you to know that I did not jump off the bridge after last night.
I am sure you are greatly relieved!!!
Should be an interesting offseason and see where Tex, CC, Burnett, and Manny end up.”
Hey Ray, this is why we like you and how you are different than sox trolls. You actually show up after a loss.
I say Romine could get it done…
There is nothing smart in trading a catcher that can hit and field. Nothing, you don’t even see Philly do this or Seattle w/ Clement.
Would the Royals do IPK for Meche? Meche would be a way better 4-5 than Ponson/Rasner.
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How bout IPK plus a major league reliever and a single A prospect….
You don’t trade Romine.
Ray, we like you here, so you better not disappear
Thank you AL from BK.
I know some people think I am crazy for hanging out on this blog but it really is an interesting place that has lots of lively and informative discussions.
I wish the Broncos would disappear. They have reminded me yet again why I hate them. Shameful.
I wish the Broncos would disappear. They have reminded me yet again why I hate them. Shameful.
Could be worse, they could be losing to the Raiders.
Would the Royals do IPK for Meche? Meche would be a way better 4-5 than Ponson/Rasner.
the Royals made it clear that they aren’t going to trade Meche.
“Ray, we like you here, so you better not disappear”
Not to worry Rebecca, you are stuck with me!!!
Seriously, some people prefer to talk with only people who share their views. But I learn a ton of things about baseball by hanging out on this blog.
And I will hesitantly admit that the Yankees is the most storied baseball team in history and so I like to follow you guys too.
“I wish the Broncos would disappear. They have reminded me yet again why I hate them. Shameful.
Could be worse, they could be losing to the Raiders.”
Ouch, and I was just starting to forget that game Rob
Brandon, debes mirar el hockey…donde los equipos se ganan algunas veces
ehh…ahi ahi
“Would the Royals do IPK for Meche? Meche would be a way better 4-5 than Ponson/Rasner.
the Royals made it clear that they aren’t going to trade Meche.”
Oh well, Meche is a quality pitcher.
ray (sox fan) -
seriously, you are one cool Sox fan who is willing to make a “peaceful-baseball-convo” unlike some people. you have my vote. lol
There is nothing smart in trading a catcher that can hit and field. Nothing, you don’t even see Philly do this or Seattle w/ Clement.
Where did this maxim come from?
How did Atlanta do trading Saltamachia?….Did they make out well on the deal?
Brandon: No recuerdo que te gusta los Rangers, bleh
How did Atlanta do trading Saltamachia?….Did they make out well on the deal?
Where’s Teixeira now ? What did they get in return ? What did they give up ? How many young catchers do the Braves have now close to ML ready ?
Answer those first.
“How did Atlanta do trading Saltamachia?…Did they make out well on the deal?”
And they already had a good young ML proven catcher. They could afford to trade him.
We don’t know which of the 2 (Montero Romine) are going to work out.
Its not polite to answer a question with a question.
Wouldn’t you agree?
Rockyboy:
the yankees don’t need to trade any of their minor-league position players.
at least, not until they have some depth.
Brian McCaan was an allstar this year
1. Yankees
2. Kotchman
3. Teixeria
4. Brian McCaan was an allstar this year
“ROCKYBOY
October 20th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Its not polite to answer a question with a question.
Wouldn’t you agree?”
my girlfriend told me that one time. Didn’t pay it any mind.
““How did Atlanta do trading Saltamachia?…Did they make out well on the deal?â€
And they already had a good young ML proven catcher. They could afford to trade him.
We don’t know which of the 2 (Montero Romine) are going to work out.”
The Braves have Brian McCann who is a pretty good player from what I’ve heard. I would NOT trade any position guys, pitching yes, position guys no.
Montero will be a 1B
Romine will be Elston Howard
Catcher of the future IS cervelli, the biker boy. he reminds me of yadier molina
Its not polite to answer a question with a question.
it is an answer. he answered you, asking what happened to Teixiera now.
“Catcher of the future IS cervelli”
Sorry but Cervelli’s upside isn’t even close to Romine’s.
Its not polite to answer a question with a question.
it is an answer. he answered you, asking what happened to Teixiera now.
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Oh
How did Atlanta do trading Saltamachia?
Horrible, it might be the worst longterm wise deal in thier franchise history. In that deal they also gave up a kid in Neftali Feliz who hits 100 mph after 7 innings, could be the next big Texas SP prospect. They also gave up a talented SS in Elvis Andrus and a LHP in Matt Harrison who shut out the Yanks and is a promising lefty. Meanwhile Teixeira quit on Atlanta and was dealt for Casey Kotchman. Who do you think won this deal Texas or Atlanta ?
Romine and Montero are not going to get you much as singular trade pieces anyway. They will be viewed by other GMs as 3rd-4th players in a deal, which they are clearly not. You don’t treat those guys as throw ins. Ditto Betances or Brackman. It’s not like a team is trading Peavy for Romine anyway.
We should be trading our pitching, not position players.
How did Atlanta do trading Saltamachia?…Did they make out well on the deal?
oh yeah, Saltamachia was traded because McCann was blocking him.
I’m all for patience…but these boys (Romine & Montero) are at least another year or so away
I wish they were ready now
Romine is going to be a stud. He has the best chance of our catching prospects to be our future catcher. The rest of the guys won’t hit enough or will be better long term at another position (montero).
Why would you trade him? And what would you expect back?
I’ll trade Hughes and Kennedy to the Cardinals. When the Yankees get back Colby Rasmus.
Also trading Romine now would mean you’re selling him low. He’s only had 1 year of minor league baseball. It’s early in his professional career and he’s not quite the known commodity around baseball yet.
However another year wear he hits 300 and shows promise behind the plate next year in Tampa his value as a big time catcher prospect will sky rocket.
But the Yankees aren’t trading him. He’s only 19. No way they put all their eggs in the Montero as a catcher basket.
Clint’s post deserves a big thumbs up.
They should just move Montero to 1B already… if he does, he could move very quickly. He has an unlimited offensive upside. He may be a better catcher than Romine right now, but long term, its probably not a good idea. He is a huge man–6’4 and still growing, and why limit him by making him catch and put strain on his knees? Let him be a 1B and mash like Delgado.
Does anyone else watch the show John and Kate plus 8? They just had the cutest episode on. The kids got to go to a Phillies game. They met the manger and the flying Hawaiian. BTW I love that nickname!!
Clint…just like Liriano was a throwin in the Nathan deal…lol
Yanks need to pull off one of those…
Glad to see the Broncos showed up tonight.
Other players that will be treated as 3-4th pieces
Wilkins De La Rosa
Phil Coke
Mark Melancon
Austin Jackson
Brandon Laird
Dellin Betances
Zach McCallister
Kevin Deleon
Chris Garcia
Micheal Dunn
basically anyone from AAA to GCL ball not named Andrew Brackman.
“We should be trading our pitching, not position players”
Exactly you deal from your strength not your weakness.
ray (sox fan)
October 20th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Good evening GB7.
I just wanted you to know that I did not jump off the bridge after last night.
I am sure you are greatly relieved!!!
Should be an interesting offseason and see where Tex, CC, Burnett, and Manny end up.
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Evening, Ray. How are you and Mrs. (Sox Fan) and family? Nice to see that you didn’t bathe in Boston Harbor.
You’rerigt on the big ticket FA movement. I’m more interested in the deals that may turn up.
Does NYY trade for an Ankiel? Does Boston go after somebody’s catcher like Mathis or Napoli from the Angels or Johjima from Seattle? Will Tampa strengthen their lineup or bullpen and with who? I’m more curious about those than the FA deals. What will Toronto do to fix the wholes in their rotation and their offense? Those are fairly easy to pick the top two or three teams that will get them.
Clint’s post deserves a big thumbs up.
I agree. We definitely have excess pitching, its already enough for a trade bait. The system is full of pitching prospects, and little position players that we could depend on in the future.
***You’re right on the big ticket FA movement.***
Clint: Agreed.
I agree. We definitely have excess pitching, its already enough for a trade bait. The system is full of pitching prospects, and little position players that we could depend on in the future.
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How about an infield of 3B A-Rod, SS Angelini, 2B Cano, 1B Montero C Romine DH Jeter in 2012….that would be SICK
People should start to keep an eye on what Nolan Ryan is building over there in Arlington.
Brandon — Phil Coke was so close to being the 3rd player in that deal lol
If anyone is interested, there is a fascinating special on A&E about Jose Canseco….He is at rock bottom.
vtred: from at least one person on this board (GreenBeret), Montero looks to be the NYY catcher of the future. While Romine, may need to be shifted to a different position (maybe RF).
both GreenBeret and Pat, have scouted them multiple times, in person.
People should start to keep an eye on what Nolan Ryan is building over there in Arlington.
We’ve been talking about this since midseason, I even made the notion that if K-Rod gets signed this offseason by Texas that the Angels are in trouble, so would the AL. Texas w/ a BP = TROUBLE.
Brandon — Phil Coke was so close to being the 3rd player in that deal lol
I know that I was close to burning Cashman’s house.
Ok, Pete, we get it. Peavy does not want to come here. Same story as we’ve heard yesterday. For some reason, you bring it up again…so again I’ll say Damon said he didn’t want to play for the Yanks and yet here he is. Money talks. If it doesn’t for Peavy, well then I don’t want him because he has no guts.
But I understand there’s not much baseball news until Wednesday…so, same time tomorrow then?
People should start to keep an eye on what Nolan Ryan is building over there in Arlington.
Ryan is going to supervise the GM so he doesn’t make the same mistake, like trading John Danks for Brandon McCarthy.
It’s not that he has no guts it’s that he doesn’t like NY. My god people Yes there are people that don’t like living in NY. Yes even country boys.
But I understand there’s not much baseball news until Wednesday…so, same time tomorrow then?
if you are looking for rumors, come back next Monday if the World Series is over by Sunday night.
It a shame that if/when Montero moves to first, he would be pretty much ML ready and inexperienced at first. If you’re going to move him now would be the time. He would have plenty of time to learn the position while still in the minors. But instead the Yankees are going to wait it out and then you have a player that’s learning a new position at the highest level.
No Peavy, no problem.
Great! More Michael Kay! (sarcasm to the highest degree). The guy is annoying and not nearly as knowledgeable about sports as he thinks he is.
“We’ve been talking about this since midseason, I even made the notion that if K-Rod gets signed this offseason by Texas that the Angels are in trouble, so would the AL. Texas w/ a BP = TROUBLE.”
Okay. But they still have terrible starters wasn’t Millwood their Ace the past few years?
Okay. But they still have terrible starters wasn’t Millwood their Ace the past few years?
With that offense do you think it matters, do you know how many games Texas loss because thier BP imploaded ? If they get a CL everyone falls in line CJ Wilson would go back to his blanket role which is 7th and 8th inning, and Frank Francisco can be a 7th inning guy, they become a dangerous team real quick if they land a CL.
Al from BK( OFF-SEASON GOALS: Get CC and possibly more, find a real first baseman.)
October 20th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
I’ve read a lot of biographical books about Gehrig and they all pretty much said he was a butcher at first but his bat made up for it. If you think I’m trying to insult the Iron Horse then you’re wrong I was just saying that he wasn’t known for his glove.
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Gehrig’s defensive numbers blew every other top first basemen numbers out of the water….from the gu that they said was the best in history (Hal Chase), to HOfers like Sisler, Frank Chance, Greenberg, Foxx, Jim Bottomley, Al Simmons. I seriously doubt that Gehrig was a butcher.
“Okay. But they still have terrible starters wasn’t Millwood their Ace the past few years?
With that offense do you think it matters, do you know how many games Texas loss because thier BP imploaded ? If they get a CL everyone falls in line CJ Wilson would go back to his blanket role which is 7th and 8th inning, and Frank Francisco can be a 7th inning guy, they become a dangerous team real quick if they land a CL.”
Possibly. I wonder if they would break the bank for K-Rod if they were in a bidding war with the Mets.
Brandon, I’m surprised you haven’t burnt Cashman’s house after he let Tabata go
“Al from BK( OFF-SEASON GOALS: Get CC and possibly more, find a real first baseman.)
October 20th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
I’ve read a lot of biographical books about Gehrig and they all pretty much said he was a butcher at first but his bat made up for it. If you think I’m trying to insult the Iron Horse then you’re wrong I was just saying that he wasn’t known for his glove.
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Gehrig’s defensive numbers blew every other top first basemen numbers out of the water….from the gu that they said was the best in history (Hal Chase), to HOfers like Sisler, Frank Chance, Greenberg, Foxx, Jim Bottomley, Al Simmons. I seriously doubt that Gehrig was a butcher.”
Perhaps it was just the beginning of his career. He originally didn’t play first because Wallly Pipp was there and Huggins didn’t want to move him for his glove and bat. When Gehrig became the full-time 1B his first few years Huggins even told him that he was lucky he could swing the bat because he couldn’t field that well.
just curious, a big fat NO to Nick Swisher right? He could solve our CF/1B problems. I think the White Sox will sell low on him due to his worst career year, and Ozzie misused him.
vinny-b
October 20th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
vtred: from at least one person on this board (GreenBeret), Montero looks to be the NYY catcher of the future. While Romine, may need to be shifted to a different position (maybe RF).
both GreenBeret and Pat, have scouted them multiple times, in person.
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Vinny, my scouting experience comes from being a Cub Scout, and Boy Scout and from dating Girl Scouts. Seriously, though, I only went to see these kids like Montero, Romine and Laird play. I’m no scout…I just know what I like to see in the ball players. Romine, and, it’s only my judgement, will be a corner somewhere, and Montero is a big kid, but, he’s not fat….not much bigger than Carlton Fisk was. NYY does have at least one other big time catching prospect that should be playing in Staten Island or Charleston (Kyle Higashioka). He’s only 18, but, seems to be further along defensively than Romine and Montero.
“just curious, a big fat NO to Nick Swisher right? He could solve our CF/1B problems. I think the White Sox will sell low on him due to his worst career year, and Ozzie misused him.”
NO, NEVER! With all due respect Ed I wouldn’t trade Melky for Swisher. Even when he performed well 2 years ago in Oakland he still struck-out a ton. He is NOT a CF I’d rather just stick Gardner out there then make a unnecessary trade.
I think the Yankees are waiting for one of them (Romine Montero) to distinguish themselves defensively before they decide to move one to fist base. or any other position. Because from various scouting reports neither of them have been impressive defensively.
Al -
gotcha. I was just being curious. With all the Blalock, Garko, Kotchman talks..I just wanted to bring up Swisher as well.
Did anyone read the Phillies/Yankee comparison on Jennings’ blog?
“Al -
gotcha. I was just being curious. With all the Blalock, Garko, Kotchman talks..I just wanted to bring up Swisher as well.”
Blalock is another guy who is being overrated in this years trade market. He strikes out a lot and is a hit/miss kinda player. Garko is solid and you know what your getting from him.
I caught part of the Canseco documentary. He really is such a pathetic figure that if he hadn’t written the 2nd book and been so obnoxious in the last year, I might have really felt sorry for him.
I found it hilarious that he showed up at the Mitchell report presentation and wasn’t allowed in.
mel -
I did. Overall, I think its a good comparison. If drafting and scouting have done correctly along with free agent signings, it will get the team to the World series. Hence the reason why patience with developing players is imporant. look at Cole Hamels last season, his first postseason and didn’t do well. The following year, Hamels was nasty and was truly the ace of the Phillies in the postseason.
Can’t wait for Favre to meet the Broncos defense.
which FA will take our money?
Broncos defense that bad?
Ed,
I also thought it was a fun read. The Nady for the next five years was the only thing was the only thing that really sent off alarm bells for me. If we could get him to hit 40 homeruns a year as the DH, then heck yeah. But he’s not athletic enough to play the field in my book. Yeah, I said it.
But, what I really enjoyed was the Victorino/Gardner sparkplug comparison. He was quick to say Gardner’s no Victorino, but they bring a lot of the same things to the table. I don’t think people realize that Shane’s career was very up and down in the beginning. He was forced into action because of any injury in San Diego and was sent back down because he wasn’t hitting.
I’d love to see Gardner get a chance to prove himself.
Could the Raiders steal the AFC West?
Rebecca,
Let’s just say that the Patriots are cutting through it like a hot knife through butter.
Brandon, I’m surprised you haven’t burnt Cashman’s house after he let Tabata go
In the end he learned his lesson the trade brought him no real value according to people here you can’t even get anything decent for X so what was the value in this deal. Another vet that as soon as he hits FA you have to extend and he won’t be as athletic for the later parts of his career, so what was exactly won here ? Maybe Cash should think that over and over this offseason.
Gardner = Juan Pierre at best.
mel, Just curious… how did you become a Yankees/Pats/Lakers fan? Very intersting combination
Wilson,
I live in a top 10 metropolitan area with no professional teams.
Lakers have their training camps here every other year, so that’s our team.
I chose the Yankees, cuz they’re the Yankees. Duh. Jeter and the organization (yes, Torre, too) were so classy and I liked that.
I admit, I chose the Patriots partly because of Tom Brady. Bad! Grew up an rooting for the Oilers, but they’re no more.
Weird, huh? There’s some crossover with Lakers/Yankee fans on the boards. But I think I’m the only triple threat.
But he’s not athletic enough to play the field in my book. Yeah, I said it.
Mel -
I agree. At least Nady tries to dive for the ball, unlike Abreu.
I can’t wait for hot-stove to be upon us. I am starting to think Tex will come here more and more by the day.
I want to be happy for Pete, but really, I’m not.
Dreadful, dreadful performance by the Donkeys. Never again.
Nick,
Did you lose money? Cuz I know that Denver is not your NFL team.
Gotta be the Niners, right?
mel
October 20th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Wilson,
I live in a top 10 metropolitan area with no professional teams.
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Mel, I didn’t know that you lived in Boton.
*** Or Boston, either.**
Button town?
I think she was referring to Honolulu lol
Nick,
Were the Patriots the ‘dog in this game? What was the line?
X-mann,
You don’t get the joke?
Boston teams aren’t very professional?
They lack class?
Still smiling about the Sox. Everyone thought it was over for the Rays…
Al,
Less than a month before the big signings start. Though the rumors will start flying after the WS.
Mel– nice, thanks for the explanation. You are lucky to live in Hawaii lol
I am one of, if not the only, Yankees–Devils–Jets fan in existence.
Yankees–Jets and Yankees–Devils are each rare in their own right, but the combination is probably only local to certain people in New Jersey.
Nady will be a disaster in right field, average in left. I doubt he is apart of the future, we will take the picks and move on.
Hey GB7 and others,
I notice that Kevin Russo is quite the super-utility player (who’s bat is heating up in AFL).
What’s his story. When and what position was he drafted for. His history in the minors.
What’s the plan for him.
And is the AFL manager using him in that role because the Yankees asked him to? What’s the story?
What’s his story. When and what position was he drafted for. His history in the minors.
Mel -
I think Russo was drafted as a 2B. The Yankees drafted utility infielder Kevin Russo out of Baylor University in the 20th round of the 2006 MLB Draft.
“Al,
Less than a month before the big signings start. Though the rumors will start flying after the WS.”
I can’t wait. Hoping the Yanks are pro-active in getting CC.
Mel, I really don’t like the Broncos, but I took them in this game (they were getting 3 points). Hope over experience. That’s the last time I waste a second on them this year.
And the Niners are not my team, the New York Football Giants are my team. I’ve lived in the Bay Area since college, but New York is my hometown. Yankees-Giants-Knicks and then waaaaaaay down the Rangers. 1994 was awesome. Arsenal is my EPL team. Atleticl Madrid is my Spanish team. I don’t have an Italian team.
The Niners I dislike and the Raiders I don’t really care about. I do like the Golden State Warriors, they were fun the past couple of years. This year I think they won’t be as much fun.
Al -
expect the rumors come flying starting next monday if the world series is over by sunday.
I do think the Mets-Jets, Yankees-Giants sterotype is dying down… lots of mixing and matching now.
More Yankees-Jets or Mets-Giants fans now.
Yankees-Jets-Devils-Nets is probably the oddest combo though haha. Yankees are predominant in NJ, but north NJ is Giants country for the most part, lots of Cowboys/Eagles too.
Al from Burger King is a Yanks-Jets-Knicks guy. A lot of that combos on this blog.
Francessa is a Yankees-Parcells-Tim Duncan guy.
October 20th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Hey GB7 and others,
I notice that Kevin Russo is quite the super-utility player (who’s bat is heating up in AFL).
What’s his story. When and what position was he drafted for. His history in the minors.
What’s the plan for him.
And is the AFL manager using him in that role because the Yankees asked him to? What’s the story?
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If Russo makes it with the Yanks, Utility is his best bet. He also playes a little outfield. Almost no power, but, is fast and a good base runner. He’s not spectacular on defense, but, he’s decent. Not sure he can play shortstop at all, though, nor first base. Absolutely brutal at third base. He doesn’t walk a lot, but, doesn’t strike out that much, either. I haven’t seen a lot of him, except for a few games in Tampa in 2007.
Just a guess, but, he could be included in a trade over the next year or two and Justin Snyder will be groomed for the Utility role, who’s played mostly 2nd base, but some SS and 3rd base, along with a little 1st and center field. ‘s a much better bat than Russo, just as much speed but more power, but defense isn’t that great.
Yankees-Jets-Devils-Nets is probably the oddest combo though haha.
Nooo..I’m a Yankees-Nets-Cowboys fan. yep, I’m a Cowboys fan, am I going to be any different now?
being a Yankees-Nets-Cowboys fan is the oddest combo!***
Ed,
I meant among the NY/NJ area teams, but wow, that is a strange combo lol
NJ has a ton of Cowboys fans though, probably more than Jets fans.
Thanks, Ed.
Nick,
Don’t bet against the Patriots!
Mel, Sports Center is aout to show the clips of iger Woods new job. Hopefully, he’s better than the kids that cadied at Bushwood.
Speaking of Francessa,
I remember when he was at Bar A, some guy was trying out for his show and he was a Royals/Mets/Cowboys fan. He looked identical to Youkallis too.
mel,
What teams do most of the people in Hawaii go for? Probably Cali teams right?
Ed, there’s nothing wrong with being a Yankees-Coyboys fan, it just makes you a worse person and many of us will think less of you.
mel: I bet big against the Patriots in the Super Bowl; that worked out pretty well! 18-1!
The lesson is, don’t bet FOR the Donkeys. It took me too long to learn that lesson this year, but it’s learned.
Thanks, GB7.
(handle back by popular request
)
***Mel, Sports Center is about to show the clips of Tiger Woods new job. Hopefully, he’s better than the kids that caddied at Bushwood.***
This board is eating letters from my posts.
Jeff -
mostly everyone on this blog is either a Jets or Giants fan. as for me, i chose to become a Cowboys fan since the day of the Emmit Smith, Troy Akieman, and Deion Sander’s era.
mel from Taco Bell
October 21st, 2008 at 12:24 am
Thanks, GB7.
(handle back by popular request
)
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My pleasure, Mel. Happy to help…for what ever my opinion is worth.
I am a Yanks/Jets/Knicks/Rangers fan so I suffer about half the time
Ironically, yesterday I went to Burger King and the guy who took my order had a name tag that red “Al”.
But I knew he was not the real Al from Burger King, he was merely an imposter. The true Al from Burger King resides on this blog. He does have plenty of followers though.
Clint,
The UH women’s volleyball team and football team run neck & neck.
Until last year, the local station ran all the SF Giants (that’s why I don’t mind Jon Miller).
Lakers basketball.
San Francisco 49ers for a long time. Lots of local and UH guys on those championship teams. Like Jessie Sapolu.
Now it’s the Redskins because of Colt Brennan.
We love our individual athletes. Victorino, Michelle Wie, Brian Ching, Natasha Kai, professional volleyball players, Brian Clay.
And our little league teams.
“Ironically, yesterday I went to Burger King and the guy who took my order had a name tag that red “Alâ€.
But I knew he was not the real Al from Burger King, he was merely an imposter. The true Al from Burger King resides on this blog. He does have plenty of followers though.”
LMAO. Thanks alot for this its good to know that I’m borderline iconic on this blog.
A certain presidential candidate held a rally with certain players from a certain AL championship team at Legends field in Tampa.
Al
And the funny part is that your initials are supposed to mean Brooklyn (as all of us NY’ers know), but someone thought it was Burger King a few weeks ago and it just took off from there. So you accidentally got famous lol
Geroge W. Bush held a rally in New Hampshire in 2004 with Curt Schilling and then lost the state, the only state that flipped from red to blue from 2000 to 2004.
You hang out with ketchup frauds, you get burned.
I believe I was the first to call him Al from Burger King.
You’re welcome.
“The UH women’s volleyball team and football team run neck & neck.”
LOL
Those girls have some pretty thick necks.
I love how the Lions QB ran out of the end zone a couple of weeks ago instead of throwing the ball away.
Another “supposed” stud that wants the comfort and safety of pitching in the Minor Leagues…I mean National League…and knows that he would CHOKE like many before him under the pressure of performing up to his highest level on the team that spends the most money in baseball… and in the city that will tolerate NOTHING less than 110% every time you put on the UNI…his loss…BA BYE….keep pitching for the Padres, you LOSER !
“BA BYE….keep pitching for the Padres, you LOSER !”
you really told him.
i’m still on board for a Peavy trade, personally. i realize i’m prob in the minority, but his numbers are not misleading because he pitches in a pitchers home park. they are what they are because he’s good, and he’s got great stuff.
he’s not the only pitch who i’d target this offseason, but certainly it wouldnt be a bad thing to convince him he can enjoy playing, and winning, in pinstripes.
I found this little tidbit in my Star Ledger’s celebrity gossip column this morning. It’s both amusing and slightly disturbing. Consider the source, London’s Daily Mail:
“Alex Rodriguez, the Yankees slugger who alleedly has had an ‘affair of the heart’ with Madonna, is set to buy a penthouse apartment close to the singer’s New York pad, and is going to pen a series of books for youong boys that link sports and Kabbalah. ‘All he cares about is being close to her,’ a source tells the Daily Mail.”
AND
“Madonna wants to have a child with Rodriguez, whom she considers ‘physically a great specimen,’ according to a friend.”
Holy Spumoni! I guess you CAN make this stuff up!
(emphasis added)
“Holy Spumoni! I guess you CAN make this stuff up!”
not only that, Doreen… but i actually heard on the news on MSNBC this morning that there’s one British paper that is actually reporting Madonna is pregnant with said ARod seed.
i love it.
Turn Two:
Agreed 100%. Peavy would be this team’s best starter, save Joba, from the moment he got here.
Still, if he wants no part of NYC, then why bother???
Turn Two -
I’m actually speechless!
Except, I guess it must be a miraculous (or laboratory) pregnancy, since this is just an ‘affair of the heart.’
This Kabbalah must be an awfully powerful cult – err, religion.
I just don’t want any more ARod drama. Seriously. Love his talent but had enough of the tabloids, ya know?
“Still, if he wants no part of NYC, then why bother???”
do you really think every player who has played in NY wanted to be here?
you know what will help change that personal feeling of NY? winning a World Series here.
“do you really think every player who has played in NY wanted to be here?”
No. Several came simply for the money. However, Peavy has control over this AND there is not a huge amount of money on the line in this case (he’s locked up for 5 years)as there is when we’re talking free agency.
“I just don’t want any more ARod drama. Seriously. Love his talent but had enough of the tabloids, ya know?”
i admit it can be entertaining, but in the end i dont really care much about the tabloid stuff either way… i just want him to play some good baseball.
if being happy with some washed up 1980′s pop star is what helps him do that, then we should all line up and start vogue-ing with him.
Getting Peavy is not worth a probable cost of Hughes, Cano, plus.
“Getting Peavy is not worth a probable cost of Hughes, Cano, plus.”
Certainly isn’t. If it’s Hughes as a centerpiece with say an IPK and maybe Gardner, it might make sense. Hughes and Cano would be far to steep.
About Peavy and others like him, I am of a mind that a player with a NTC probably has one for the very reason we’re seeing – they have a comfort level that they’re not willing to mess with. Some guys will take risks, others won’t. Frankly, if Peavy is not inclined to take risks, it would more than likely be an uncomfortable marriage at best, and a disaster at worst, regardless of his talent.
A lot of pitchers who have come to NY in the not-so-distant past have had talent but have not had that certain something. If Peavy himself recognizes that he lacks that little something (or doesn’t want to explore that possibility) it’s probaby best to leave him alone. Hughes may be taking his time coming along, but I think he is determined to make it in NY.
Turn Two -
I usually find the ARod off-field stuff amusing. I think it’s the Madonna factor that gets to me. Never been a fan of “Madge” – and I don’t mean necessarily her catchy pop tunes which I find myself singing to against my better judgment!
“However, Peavy has control over this AND there is not a huge amount of money on the line in this case (he’s locked up for 5 years)as there is when we’re talking free agency.”
other players have been convinced… most recently, think about Randy Johnson.
there are still limited suitors for Peavy, and the team who i thought were really the front runners, the cardinals, apparently just bowed out of the discussion if you believe the papers there.
i dont see him going to LA… that would be like the Orioles trading Bedard to the Red Sox last offseason.
and i dont see the Braves guaranteeing him that $23 million option to get him to waive that NTC… nor do i think the Braves really ought to make that move anyway. they certainly arent one good pitcher away from contending in that division.
i could see the Astros paying him that money, but they dont have anything left in that system the Padres would want more than what the Yankees could afford to give.
while he certainly doesnt come with the financial burden of Johan, the combination of salary and prospects still really limits the available options for both Peavy and the Padres to the same small group of teams… Yanks, Saux, Cubs, Texas Rangers perhaps.
“I am of a mind that a player with a NTC probably has one for the very reason we’re seeing – they have a comfort level that they’re not willing to mess with.”
Some truth in this. However, don’t underestimate the role an NTC has in getting a player more money. “I’ll waive my NTC if you agree to pick up my 2 option years” or “I’ll waive it if we can agree to an extension”, etc.
That said, with Peavy locked up for several years already, this seems like it will be more about his comfort level than anything else…though he could ask that his one option year be picked up if he were to waive his NTC.
Let’s be real and get over the Peavy talk. He likes laid back west coast style and has no desire for rings.
If he can’t handle the big stage of NYC then the Yankees don’t need him.
“That said, with Peavy locked up for several years already, this seems like it will be more about his comfort level than anything else…though he could ask that his one option year be picked up if he were to waive his NTC.”
yeah, i kind of figured that was a given in the whole equation.
the reason why he signed the below market deal was to stay in SD and help the organization. if he’s getting traded because they arent going to compete, he’s going to demand that the team he goes to guarantees that option or maybe even offer an extention to pick up that AAV.
Fredo -
True enough – NTC as negotiating tool.
I really hope that Joba doesn’t have any skeltons in the closet. He is on the front page of the Daily News again.
They are going to start digging.
I guess I’m mildly amused that there are still people pushing for Peavy. Hell, who cares where he wants to play!
Yeah, nothing like trying to lure someone to the Bronx that doesn’t want to play there. I’m sure that’ll come to nothing but good.
I don’t care where Peavy goes personally. (I make it a point not to get into a twist about organizational decisions anyway unless my input is requested by the Yankees. I’m still waiting.) I will point out that his postseason numbers were dismal. And that’s in the NL where you can count on adding to the ERA if the person goes to the AL. But who’s counting.
About Madonna and Arod and her wanting his child. I read that also and would be highly surprised if it isn’t true. She seems to have a highly unconventional way of making her decisions in life and using him that way would really fit into everything she has been about. I also read that Arod (yes the same one who called Madonna his FN soulmate) has promised to use his connections and wealth to spread the kabbalah all over the world.
God help us all. This is going to be a long 9 years. Though if he is with his “soulmate” maybe he will get down to the business of playing ball and not being a freaked-out mess. Let’s hope.
“other players have been convinced… most recently, think about Randy Johnson.”
That was money driven though. Peavy’s case really isn’t. Johnson doesn’t go to NYC if he’s not given $32M for extra years. I know Peavy has that option year, but I honestly wonder whether he wants it picked up. He may well prefer being back in the FA market at the relatively young age of 31.
The story was also in the Post. Two different accounts on the same thing. Amazing. Goes to show you not to believe everything in print.
One says he stormed out, the other says he stayed for another 90 minutes.
trisha alex sure has a screw loose. Maybe if he said Madonna was his soul mate 15 years ago people wouldn’t think he was so nuts!!
But if he continues to hit, he can stay with Madonna all he wants.
“That was money driven though. Peavy’s case really isn’t.”
now that he’s getting traded, it does become about money. he said he only signed that team friendly deal because he wanted to stay in SD. otherwise, why would any of us think he wont want to get paid like every other player of his skill level?
of course, in the end i could have it all wrong, but if he’s got a option for a guaranteed $23 million on the table, he’s getting that gauranteed before he goes anywhere… a lot can happen in 3-4-5 years.
jen, I can’t imagine finding out anything we don’t already know. We know he has a child and isn’t married. In terms of “newsworthiness” can there be worse?
Hey I just read the DN account. Yesterday I said that I wondered if the postseason, Sux, etc., could have helped with the situation. Looks like there might be something to that. We’ve been horrified about the possibility that the Sux could be triumphant in the postseason. Imagine being a Yankee ballplayer this postseason and witnessing the initial comback of the Sux. (Joba’s arrest happened the night after game 6.)
Just sayin’
“But if he continues to hit, he can stay with Madonna all he wants.”
That would be a bingo jen!
Later y’all.
Trisha -
Heaven help us all, indeed!
My personal feeling is that when Madonna is finished with him, she will chew ARod up and spit him out. And ARod hasn’t exactly shown himself to be able to deal well with the distractions in his personal life. But, I hope I’m wrong and as long as he does what he’s being paid to do for the NY Yankees, I don’t really care what he and Madonna do. Although that would seem up for questioning, since I’ve already wasted a good 15 minutes of my own life on this!
Randy Johnson is not a good example. Randy Johnson did not thrive in NY.
Doreen- last year he did pretty well with that picture of him and the bimbo posted all over the place.
But I do worry, since it seems he is so smitten with her, when she is done with him he will be crushed.
“(Joba’s arrest happened the night after game 6.)”
No, it didn’t. Game 6 started about 20 hours after he was busted.
“Randy Johnson did not thrive in NY.”
he didnt pitch as well in the playoffs as most would have hoped (understatement), but its hard to argue he didnt pitch effectively in NY. 200+ IP, 17 wins a season, less hits than IP, 170+ Ks each season… basically above league average his first season, and just below league average his second in NY.
he was forced out of NY because of his appearances (and the Yankees appearances) in the postseason over those 2 postseasons.
“he was forced out of NY because of his appearances (and the Yankees appearances) in the postseason over those 2 postseasons.”
Foreced out??? Guy was miserable from the day he got here. I’d guess he was nothing short of thrilled when he got his ticket out. I don’t think the Yanks got fair return on their $32M, but he did have what averaged out to two pretty decent regular seasons with the Yankees.
I really hope that Joba doesn’t have any skeltons in the closet. He is on the front page of the Daily News again.
They are going to start digging.
I just looked at the NY Daily News online-Oy
Move over Roger Clemens, looks like the Daily News has a new obsession
“Foreced out??? Guy was miserable from the day he got here. I’d guess he was nothing short of thrilled when he got his ticket out. I don’t think the Yanks got fair return on their $32M, but he did have what averaged out to two pretty decent regular seasons with the Yankees”
if Randy puts out a book, wouldn’t mind reading his account of nyc. Would be entertaining.
while watching cnn, i just realized who joe the plumber reminds me of- hank the owner. there is an uncanny facial resemblance.
is it possible that joe the plumber is hank’s long lost brother? hal and joe switched at birth?
this would explain a lot of things about the 2008 yankee season.
“Forced out??? Guy was miserable from the day he got here. I’d guess he was nothing short of thrilled when he got his ticket out.”
but my point being, everyone knew he was absolutely miserable, and he was here to make his money… but he still took the mound every 5 days, and gave the yankees a chance to win on more of those days than not, because he’s a competitor and he wanted to win.
i figure its the same kind of situation with Peavy. he may hate the NY lifestyle, but that doesnt mean if the Padres decided that the Yankees have the best offer, Peavy cant come here, be miserable but still pitch well and compete, and have as great a shot at winning a World Series here as in most other MLB cities.
not able to type the word. However this known site (which Brian Cashman reads) has their trade proposal on the front page.
nom@@s.org
I’m glad Peavy doesn’t want to come here. Let him stay in San Diego or go pitch for some other AAA team.
Why are we still discussing this? Its over. He doesn’t want to come here (good) and even if he did he wouldn’t be very good anyway.
But you guys keep thinking his home/road splits are a sham. Keep thinking he’d be a shutdown ace if he pitched here. You guys have no clue.
I can’t stand Mike Lupica. He’s such a moron thinking people are interested in his holier than thou BS that the Daily News allows him to regurgitate almost at will. His piece on Joba today was absolutely disgusting.
what get’s me is that if peavey was a free agent and nobody was willing to pay him 18 million a year he would take the yankees offer.obviously he is blessed in his life where he has a choice.
he is lucky he is not like most americans who live week by week.
i understand given the choice we would all have preferances but his tune would quickly change if the yankees had the only offer.
the yankees should never mention his name again,he would never survive in ny,he doesn’t have the persaonality.
Oh and Randy Johnson really was a plus in the clubhouse right? Mr. Mood Swing himself.
And if I remember correctly he was decent, but with a 4.5 ERA and a huge attitude, after posting insane numbers in the NL the year before. He dominated in AAA, most major league pitchers do.
But yeah, let’s get Peavy!
I’m a Yankees, Jets, Devils, Nets fan as well lol.
i look at all the good teams and they win with debth,building from within,signing the right free agents.
the huge signings rarely work.i wish the yankees would go back to the ways of signing gamers with good defense and not all the allstar at every position approach.
arod was a good business decision from what i understand but he is a very bad choice as a player,he has a personality disorder imo.
30 million a year or close to it could of landed us a 15 million dollar third baseman and a 15 million dollar pitcher.
TurnTwo how can you realistically say that his numbers are not a product of Petco Park? Somehow validate that to me. Please.
2008 stats
Home: ERA 1.75 BAA .205
Away: ERA 4.28 BAA .258
Oh and he only made 27 starts because he was injured.
Let’s trade away a bunch of prospects and bring on a guy tied up in a 5 year contract who doesn’t want to play here and has pitched his entire career in the most pitcher friendly park known to mankind. Let’s stick him in the AL east and call him our ace. Brilliant idea.
Tell me how Petco doesn’t help his numbers. I’m dying to hear this analysis.
“But yeah, let’s get Peavy!”
so every successful NL pitcher should be discredited outright and never be acquired to pitch in the AL because Randy Johnson came to NY when he was 40+ years old and pitched to a 4.5 ERA?
right.
ESPN is really pimping AC/DC.
a connected world we live in.
Name some examples of great NL pitchers that were above average when they came to the AL within the last 10 years.
Just name a few. Oh and while you’re at it, come up with an instance where the AL team gave up a bunch of prospects, took on a huge contract, and then had to pick up a $23 million option because the guy doesn’t want to be here. I’m glad you’re not GM, that’s for sure.
Give me something to back up your points. Anything.
the only way i see the yankees competing is for them to sign a few fa pitchers without trading a lot of the kids.
it will cost money but sabathia and another pitcher or two while keeping their kids will have them right back in it.
i can see them trading some of their second tier pitchers like kennedy,etc…..
the only way i see hughes or cano being traded is for young almost guaranteed replacements in centerfield,first base and pitching.
4.28 road ERA + .75 added for the transition to the AL = 5 ERA. = BUST
Randy Johnson lasted out his years in NY. He did stay healthy and he pitched fairly well (oftentimes he was saved by a good offensive showing on the days he pitched). If he had pitched well in the playoffs, you would be able to say his time here was a success. But I stand by my statement that he did not thrive here. He arguably did his job, but did not thrive. I suppose that should be enough, and somehow it is not.
“Tell me how Petco doesn’t help his numbers. I’m dying to hear this analysis.”
noone is sitting here saying that pitching in PETCO park doesnt help a pitcher. hence the name “pitchers park.”
his career ERA: 2.8 at home, 3.80 on the road.
ERA+ of 134 in 4 of the past 5 years.
made at least 27+ starts every year since 2003.
pitched 195 innings 4 of the last 6 years.
strikes out as many batters than IP over his career.
people are sitting here and salivating over AJ Burnett, when Peavy is better, signed to a better contract, more reliable, pitches more innings.
and people are holding onto the notion that Phil Hughes is going to develop into this future stud… which might be the case.
but his best case scenerio is what Jake Peavy is right now, who is still young and in his prime.
as i said, Peavy certainly isnt the only pitcher id target if i was Cashman. nor, would i pay any price to get him.
but if this guy was on the open market, everyone here would be screaming how he’s a great pitcher, top of the rotation kind of starter, and obvious upgrade to fill a need the Yankees so desperately want to secure.
to me, you can cherry pick stats to make any case you want. but the guy is a proven, veteran starter who would walk onto this team and automatically become the best pure pitcher on the staff, aside from Joba who still needs he can remain healthy and effective for a full season.
“and people are holding onto the notion that Phil Hughes is going to develop into this future stud… which might be the case.”
Good point. People seem locked in on the notion that Peavy’s National League success won’t translate to the AL. Yet somehow, Phil’s International League success will.
Interleague, Peavy has made 20 starts, and pitched to the tune of a 3.30 ERA, has 113 Ks in 120 innings, and given up less hits than innings pitched.
yeah… that definitely translates to a guaranteed 5.00 ERA bust.
not many players will say they don’t wan’t to play in ny.they don’t wan’t to burn their bridges.
it takes a unique individual with a unique personality to say so.
so finding an example will be tough if not impossible.
a lot of players might feel that way but won’t say it because money usually talks.
trading for peavey would be a bad idea.i see him getting into many conflicts if he played in ny.
sign sabathia,tex and call it a winter or sign one or two innings eaters and go with what we got and away from the huge contracts while drafting the right players.
a few of the pitchers the yankees have in the minors will pan out.
Another cheap shot at the Jets?
And you wonder why we all hate the Patsies*. I see they’ve suffered more injuries- Morris, Maroney (bust), Harssio (cheap shpt dirty player). Hopefully they continue to get decimated and lose.
The issue isn’t whether or not Peavy is a better pitcher than Burnett.
Its the COST of acquiring Peavy.
If you are Cashman, and you can objectively look at the two pitchers, what do you do?
Give up Hughes and Cano (both would have to be in the deal) to get a guy who doesn’t want to be in NY? To get him, it would mean you would have to extend him bigtime (in other words, buy his love) to flip on his NTC.
They did that with Randy Johnson and it was a disaster.
Or, if its determined you want Burnett, you just offer him a lot of money and lose a draft pick and no players?
Its not a tough choice.
I know folks get all excited whenever a name player comes up for trade and they envision him as being a Yankee.
However, its sometimes wise to take a deep breath and think of what it will take to get him and decide if its worth the cost.
You aren’t acquiring a guy like Peavy for a list of B Level prospects.
Its not worth the cost, even if he was dying to come to NY. Which he isn’t.
“Another cheap shot at the Jets?”
Yeah, that’s piling on. Jets play speaks for itself. No cheap shots are necessary.
“You aren’t acquiring a guy like Peavy for a list of B Level prospects.”
noone ever said its not going to cost good prospects to get him.
but if i were to choose AJ Burnett or Jake Peavy? I’ll take Jake Peavy for the prospects, and use the draft pick, plus the additional draft picks you have from Giambi, Pudge,, Abreu, the compensatory picks from Cole and Bittle, to rebuild.
“i’m still on board for a Peavy trade, personally. i realize i’m prob in the minority, but his numbers are not misleading because he pitches in a pitchers home park. they are what they are because he’s good, and he’s got great stuff.”
This was your direct quote from an earlier post. So does Petco help him or not? You can’t seem to make up your mind.
You can’t understand why people would rather have Burnett? Gee let’s see. He’s been killing the Yankees for years. He not only pitches in the AL, but in the AL East. He’s a FA so we won’t lose any prospects if we sign him. He actually wants to be here. Should I go on?
Instead you want to trade prospects for Peavy, pick up his option for 23 million, and hope he doesn’t get killed by the AL hitters AND the media. Trade for a guy who has pitched his entire career in the NL West facing the likes of San Fran, Colorado, the Dodgers, and the Diamondbacks 19 times a year. Instead put him against Boston, Toronto, Tampa, and Baltimore. Its almost laughable to think he’d be above league average.
He will also be uncomfortable and unhappy in the clubhouse. In my opinion, his contract is worse because we’ll be able to get Burnett for less years. Petco is freaking enormous. I lived in San Diego. Not only is it enormous, balls do not carry there. Mediocre pitchers put up great numbers there. Great hitters put up mediocre numbers there. This point is not debatable. Its a fact.
For fun, I checked the popularity of this blog over the last few weeks. Look at the huge drop off!
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I, myself took a break from this blog in September as the Yankees depressed me too much.
“Interleague, Peavy has made 20 starts, and pitched to the tune of a 3.30 ERA, has 113 Ks in 120 innings, and given up less hits than innings pitched.
yeah… that definitely translates to a guaranteed 5.00 ERA bust.”
How many of those starts were at Petco?
Also, any pitcher is going to look decent his first time around the league. Look an Ian Kennedy.
Give the AL hitters a few months to adjust to his stuff and you’ll see a lot higher than a 3.30 ERA. Let them watch some tape and then they’ll start teeing off.
i think the only way to judge a pitcher is by his numbers and peavey is a great pitcher.
who knows how he would do in ny?,nobody.
i think it would be foolish to trade a bunch of prospects for him though.
if he was a fa maybe.trading for him will cost a ton of money and a ton of prospects,not a very good idea when we can sign a few fa using only money and sabathia is a lot better than peavey.
the yankees can’t afford to lose their young debth but also need to improve the team.tough position going forward.
i still believe it is the under the radar moves that they didn’t try to make in the past is the reason why they are in this position.garza,volquez,cano for billingsley when it was possible and on and on,maybe santanna,lilly.
they also gave up some good prospects like navarro,pena wich could of been our first baseman and catcher for the next decade.
i think we have to keep ajax unless we get a good young centerfielder this winter and keep the catching prospects because there are not many position prospects in the system.
pitching is our strength so we should use that surplus to try and get a first baseman,centerfielder while trying to keep hughes.if cano and kennedy can land us a first baseman and centerfielder along with some prospects it should be considered.
“He’s been killing the Yankees for years. He not only pitches in the AL, but in the AL East. He’s a FA so we won’t lose any prospects if we sign him. He actually wants to be here. Should I go on?”
sure, go ahead.
a pitcher is good against us, so we need to get him! i dont buy it.
the problem with our rotation is not just lack of talent, but lack of healthy, able bodies.
AJ Burnett has pitched over 200 innings just half the time he’s spent in the league. when he was a free agent a couple seasons ago, people argued against signing him because he was going to be just another injury liability.
now, he has a couple decent seasons in Toronto, pitches over 200 innings just once in his 3 years there, and he’s the starter we’ve all been waiting for?
i’m not saying if he signs, he wont be an asset to this ballclub. he’ll be a good pitcher. but you’re going to give him 4-5-6 years at $14-15-16 per?
yet people argue against a safer investment on an everyday player in Mark Teixeira to play 1B for 6-7-8 years because he’s overrated and a soft player?
thats just not logical.
Brandon,
I think you’re dead wrong here.
“In the end he learned his lesson the trade brought him no real value according to people here you can’t even get anything decent for X so what was the value in this deal. Another vet that as soon as he hits FA you have to extend and he won’t be as athletic for the later parts of his career, so what was exactly won here ? Maybe Cash should think that over and over this offseason.”
At the time of the trade, the Yankees were still in playoff contention. Joba was moving from the pen to the rotation, so there was a hole in the bullpen. Damon, Matsui, and Posada were injured, so there was a hole in the OF and holes in the lineup. Tabata was having a terrible year, both on the field and in his attitude. This trade gave the Yankees a chance to make a playoff push and get some value for Tabata, who said he was thinking about quitting baseball.
Obviously the Yankees didn’t make the playoffs, and Tabata started playing well for the Pirates. That doesn’t mean that Tabata would have turned it around on the Yankees. Now the Yankees can offer Marte arbitration and draft 2 of the top prospects in this year’s draft. Having Nady also allows the Yankees to let Bobby Abreu go. This means the Yankees get another 2 of the top prospects in this year’s draft by offering him arbitration. That’s 4 picks in the first 2 round of this year’s draft. Replacing Abreu with Nady also lets the Yankees be more aggressive on the free agent market.
It could turn out that Tabata becomes one of the best young hitters in baseball, but when he was traded he was a prospect having a terrible year with maturity issues. 22 games on the Pirates AA team doesn’t really change that.
“Also, any pitcher is going to look decent his first time around the league. Look an Ian Kennedy.”
so you’re really comparing Jake Peavy to Ian Kennedy?
and you dont think that NL hitters have seen and studied tape on Jake Peavy?
bru has it right:
“i think the only way to judge a pitcher is by his numbers and peavey is a great pitcher.
who knows how he would do in ny? nobody.”
but i’m more willing to take a bet on Peavy for the right price than guaranteeing Burnett, or any other pitcher in the FA market not named Sabathia, 4-5-6 years at the money the market will dictate.
About Peavy…
Interleague play is one thing, but over the last 3 years I think he’s only faced 3 lineups with DH’s. He had great starts against the Angels in LA and the Rays in Tampa Bay but a bad start against the Yankees in the Bronx. I’m pretty sure the rest of his starts in the last 3 years have been in NL parks.
Well TurnTwo I guess we’ll agree to disagree.
Seems pretty simple to me but I’m not going to argue the point anymore.
I just don’t see how trading key prspects for a good NL west pitcher with a large contract (that we’re going to have to make larger just to get him come here) is better than signing a FA pitcher who has pitched in the AL (Burnett, CC, Lowe, even Garland) where we control the length of the deal and only lose draft picks.
Seems like an easy choice to me.
“Well TurnTwo I guess we’ll agree to disagree.”
agreed.
TurnTwo
October 21st, 2008 at 10:22 am
“You aren’t acquiring a guy like Peavy for a list of B Level prospects.â€
noone ever said its not going to cost good prospects to get him.
but if i were to choose AJ Burnett or Jake Peavy? I’ll take Jake Peavy for the prospects, and use the draft pick, plus the additional draft picks you have from Giambi, Pudge,, Abreu, the compensatory picks from Cole and Bittle, to rebuild.
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jmo but those trades never work.look at seattle with the bedard trade,the yankees with the johnson trade.it goes on forever.
the yankees have to get lucky signing the right fa,drafting the right players and crossing their fingers or making the perfect trade wich is a crap shoot.
the safest and most conservative thing to do is sign a few free agents and hope the kids pan out or use cano and some second tier prospects to land a fb and cf only if it is a good fit like cano for a good cf or fb and a few prospects starting with kennedy to land a first baseman.
is it smarter to sign a one year fb and or cf and wait for a better fit going forward?,i don’t know but if i can trade cano,kennedy,horne for adrian gonzalez i do it in a second.
he is the same age as cano,we keep hughes,ajax,montero and all the other top prospects and he is very cheap.it solves our fb problem,we can sign a second baseman or move jeter to second and sign a ss.
it seems like first base,cf,3rd base are tougher positions to fill,jmo.
i would not wan’t to be in cashmans position right now.
the team need 3 starters,first baseman,centerfielder and has to replace left field,right field,cather very soon.
Turn Two,
“noone ever said its not going to cost good prospects to get him.
but if i were to choose AJ Burnett or Jake Peavy? I’ll take Jake Peavy for the prospects, and use the draft pick, plus the additional draft picks you have from Giambi, Pudge,, Abreu, the compensatory picks from Cole and Bittle, to rebuild.”
That’s not really fair. The Yankees will have the 8 draft picks for Marte, Abreu, Pudge, Giambi, Cole, and Bittle already. Deciding to trade for Peavy instead of signing Burnett probably doesn’t save the Yankees more than a 2nd rounder because he probably won’t be the best free agent the Yankees sign.
So you can’t really include those other draft picks in the decision. It’s really Burnett and all the players it would take to get Peavy (Cano?, Hughes?) or Peavy and a 2nd round pick. Even with Burnett’s injury problems, I think he’s the easy choice.
I don’t like it Vinny.
The Yankees can fill their starting pitching needs in free agency and not give up Cano.
When you are an older team like the Yankees, if you are going to give up Cano, it has to be for 27 and under position players and not pitching.
Let’s say they don’t get Sabathia but sign Burnett. They also bring back both Pettitte and Moose.
Their starting five would consist of: Wang, Pettitte, Burnett, Moose and Joba. More than good enough to compete in the East, and they still have Cano.
If you trade Cano for a pitcher, you become an older team. Which I don’t believe is a direction the Yankees need to go right now.
If Peavy is traded it will take a big package of young players to get him (think Haren or Harden).
The Yankee farm system is not deep. I doubt if we could compete with other teams in offering a package of young players to win the Peavy competition, but if we somehow did win it, the resulting trade would seriously deplete our farm system and put the Yanks development efforts back in a deep hole.
Meanwhile, the Yanks have a lot of payroll coming off the books, a deep pocketbook and some good FA pitchers to choose from.
Why make a deal where you are weak, and get weaker, when you can make a deal from strength by signing a top FA pitcher like CC or AJ?
Getting Peavy makes does not help us nearly as much as alternative moves. Makes no sense IMO.
SJ: thank you.
you right.
Good morning, guys. Talking about Peavy again?
Here’s some Verducci thoughts:
“Verducci and Dan can’t understand why the Padres want to let Jake Peavy go. Verducci thinks that there’s nothing more valuable in baseball than a young starting pitcher that the team has contractual control over. And Peavy is a stud. Verducci says San Diego might think that it can get four pieces instead of one if it makes a deal.”
Even Hughes and Cano won’t be enough. It’ll have to be quite a haul. It does sound like there’s trouble in Paradise. The fact that Towers is even considering such a crazy thing coupled with how “eager” Peavy is to play with his buddy in Houston may mean something’s going on.
Like SJ alluded to, maybe personal problems for the owner?
But, it really sounds like Peavy wants to stay in the NL. It’s nothing personal against the Yankees.
“yet people argue against a safer investment on an everyday player in Mark Teixeira to play 1B for 6-7-8 years because he’s overrated and a soft player?
thats just not logical.”
I don’t understand it either. Teixeira is easily the safest bet on the FA market. If anything, he’s underrated, and this notion that he is a soft player or that he quit on Atlanta simply holds no water.
Again, first base is not a position you can afford to scrimp. Juan Miranda is a AAAA player, and mediocre options I’ve seen offered up like Ryan Garko would do absolutely nothing to help the Yankees. It wouldn’t even be a lateral move.
The Yankees need an actual first baseman. Something they haven’t had full time since Tino Martinez. This is not a time to dump an aging catcher or outfielder there and have them learn the position.
Tex is a premier first baseman – a real two-way player. He helps fill a huge hole in the lineup by providing high .OBP and 30 home runs and 100 RBIs.
It’s the safest investment the Yankees could make. And if not Tex, who is going to be the first baseman next year? What are the VALID options, that would serve to improve the team?
Should acquiring a pitcher be a priority as well, absolutely. But all of the FA pitching options, with the possible exception of Lowe, carry significant risk.
“So you can’t really include those other draft picks in the decision. It’s really Burnett and all the players it would take to get Peavy (Cano?, Hughes?) or Peavy and a 2nd round pick. Even with Burnett’s injury problems, I think he’s the easy choice.”
i’m not including them in the overall deal, but you cant just pretend those picks arent there.
my point being is that with the prospects you lose in a Peavy deal, you have that many next season to rebuild the system.
let me put it this way:
if there was a year to take advantage of the prospects value in the system to bring in an established, front line starting pitcher, it might be the right timing to do it now.
my first priority is Sabathia.
second priority is Teixeira.
Peavy would be my fall back for Sabathia. Burnett is a good option to fill out the middle of the rotation, but i think Peavy is a better option.
i also dont think its going to cost Hughes and Cano.
probably one or the other, plus Austin Jackson, minimum. then, throw in another top pitching prospect, and two other low level prospects.
to me, with the rotation that you will have built with Sabathia, Wang, Peavy, and Joba for the next 5 years, you can take that hit and the deal still makes sense. thats the best rotation in baseball.
TurnTwo
that would be stupid because burnett would pitch arguably better,cost probablly less and cost no prospects.those are the kinds of moves that kill a team.
at least burnett pitched in the al east before.
yes he is not as healthy but i would pass on burnett and sign the best fa pitchers available and keep the kids unless we get the guaranteed right fit like a cf,fb,pitcher by trading hughes,cano and others.
we should wait for the right fit instead of forcing the issue.
just a little more patience by the yankees in the past and we would of had pena as our first baseman and navarro as the cather.we would be in a much better position,a lot younger,lower payroll.posada wouldn’t of had the leverage to hold the yankees hostage with navarro there.
i know it is hard looking forward and easy looking back but hold onto the kids unless we do not need them.
we need pitching so trading hughes does not seem wise unless we permanately fix a hole with a good young player.
maybe montero is the next first baseman,hew has huge power,maybe ajax is on the team coming out of st even though i think he needs a 1/2 year in AAA.miranda at first and gardner in center might be a pleasant suprise.
we need to concentrate on pitching.get sabathia and one or two more innings eaters like dempster,perez,mussina and let the kids get better.
if we keep drafting properly we will be fine.that gives us a ton of leverage going forward while lowering payroll and allowing for good trades.
look at the bullpen.it is homegrown,young,cheap,deep and we have a surplus to use in trades if needed.
There was an interesting article in the Boston Herald a day ago about Boston’s interest in Peavy.
It speculated that the Padres would want two of the three pitchers among Masterson, Bucholtz, and Bowden. As well as two of those three pitchers they would want a position player.
Just my opinion that I don’t see Boston pulling the trigger on a trade as described above.
“Let’s say they don’t get Sabathia but sign Burnett. They also bring back both Pettitte and Moose.”
I love Pettitte and Moose. I think Andy had a better year than his won-lost and ERA numbers showed, and I think he’s likely to be better next year.
That said, I wouldn’t be in favor of signing both Andy and Moose for 09. I think we should try to get by in the fifth SP slot with Aceves/Hughes/some other minor league pitcher, in order to save $$. Then your rotation would be CC OR AJ, etc./Wang/Moose OR Pettite/Chamberlain/Aceves OR Hughes or somebody else. We could save additional $$ by not re-signing Marte.
That $$ saved would be better applied to shore up our offense which needs some serious upgrades in RF, 1B and CF. That approach would allow the Yanks to make serious offers to both CC and Tex, for instance.
Burnett has huge upside.
ray,
Please get Peavy.
Looks like Buchholz is back on track. Is it me or is Masterson better than Buccholz?
Just because the Yankees should have a lot of picks in this year’s draft doesn’t mean they should clear out the guys on the farm right now. This offseason is a chance to turn the farm system into one of the most talented in the league. I think looking at Tampa Bay’s roster shows the value of developing prospects. Also, guys drafted this year won’t be ready for several years to come. They aren’t going to replace Hughes or other top level prospects that would need to get traded for Peavy.
Also, as much as Burnett’s health is a risk, Peavy’s adjustment to the AL is a risk as well.
“that would be stupid because burnett would pitch arguably better,cost probablly less and cost no prospects.those are the kinds of moves that kill a team.”
but i dont just buy into the fact that people here assume… that Burnett is will be better, just because he’s pitched in the AL East.
he certainly wont come much cheaper $$ wise.
and what you’re doing is basically upgrading from Hughes to Peavy on the active roster, while trading prospects from the system that be rebuilt, either by subsequent moves or thru the draft next season.
“Just because the Yankees should have a lot of picks in this year’s draft doesn’t mean they should clear out the guys on the farm right now. ”
you arent clearing out the farm system.
“Also, as much as Burnett’s health is a risk, Peavy’s adjustment to the AL is a risk as well.”
obtaining any pitcher comes with risk. i just believe that the risk that comes with Peavy’s adjustment is a better risk to take than betting on Burnett for 5 or 6 years.
SJ44
October 21st, 2008 at 10:53 am
I don’t like it Vinny.
The Yankees can fill their starting pitching needs in free agency and not give up Cano.
When you are an older team like the Yankees, if you are going to give up Cano, it has to be for 27 and under position players and not pitching.
Let’s say they don’t get Sabathia but sign Burnett. They also bring back both Pettitte and Moose.
Their starting five would consist of: Wang, Pettitte, Burnett, Moose and Joba. More than good enough to compete in the East, and they still have Cano.
If you trade Cano for a pitcher, you become an older team. Which I don’t believe is a direction the Yankees need to go right now.
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i agree with most of what you said and usually you are right on the button but i would seriously have to consider trading cano for a good young pitcher.
i think it would be unwise not to..
i am not saying the yankees have any chance at all of trading for any young pitcher but if cano can get me a volquez or billingsley even if we add prospects i would have to seriously consider it.
pitching wins and good young pitchers are impossible to find.
“Is it me or is Masterson better than Buccholz?”
Think it might be you, Mel. Masterson will likely continue as a reliever. He’s more or less a two pitch pitcher (fastball w/ sink and slider). Buchholz has more of an arsenal and if he regains confidence in his fastball, he can be a legit middle to high end of the rotation pitcher.
“plus the additional draft picks you have from Giambi, Pudge,, Abreu, the compensatory picks from Cole and Bittle, to rebuild”
Giambi nets no picks. He’s neither a Type A nor a Type B and therefore gets you no comp.
TurnTwo
October 21st, 2008 at 11:14 am
“that would be stupid because burnett would pitch arguably better,cost probablly less and cost no prospects.those are the kinds of moves that kill a team.â€
but i dont just buy into the fact that people here assume… that Burnett is will be better, just because he’s pitched in the AL East.
he certainly wont come much cheaper $$ wise.
and what you’re doing is basically upgrading from Hughes to Peavy on the active roster, while trading prospects from the system that be rebuilt, either by subsequent moves or thru the draft next season.
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very good point.it is what the trade looks like in a few years that makes it more complex.
how does the bedard trade look now?
it was a colossal mistake and increased payroll,prevented the team from taking on more payroll and using the players involved in that trade to better the team
Fredo,
Thanks. Even when Buccholz is pitching like a stud, he looks so awkward and sloppy.
“Giambi nets no picks. He’s neither a Type A nor a Type B and therefore gets you no comp.”
he’s a Type-B, or anticipated Type-B. that gets you a pick after the second round.
“it was a colossal mistake and increased payroll,prevented the team from taking on more payroll and using the players involved in that trade to better the team”
they took the risk on the wrong pitcher.
and the Bedard trade doesnt actually stop them from taking on payroll, becuase Bedard didnt come with a hefty salary or long term commitment. they decided to tear it down, and rightfully so, because they werent going to make one move to turn it around.
it was also a flawed decision by the Mariners organization to believe they were in a position to make a push for the World Series when they werent ready.
“he’s a Type-B, or anticipated Type-B. that gets you a pick after the second round.”
Doesn’t look that way. Accoridng to the guy MLBtraderumors.com links up with, Giambi does not even get Type B status.
“No, it didn’t. Game 6 started about 20 hours after he was busted.”
MEA MAXIMA CULPA! So it was game 5. But maybe you got the point anyway, despite the number of the game? If not, the newspapers did. So you’re outnumbered.
“But maybe you got the point anyway, despite the number of the game?”
Honestly not sure of your point, Trisha. Is it that he did not have to maturity to deal with the Red Sox winning the 5th game so he had to load up the next night?? I have a hard time believing he cares that much about what other teams are doing.
Fredo, if some of us were over the top caring about it, and some of us were, you don’t think the a Yankee player would care if the Sux were prevailing in the postseason? Especially an emotional player?
The thought occurred to me before I read anything about where he was. I posted my thoughts on that a few days ago.
“you don’t think the a Yankee player would care if the Sux were prevailing in the postseason?”
I think Jeter watching Texas/Mizzou while Game 6 is being played is about as good an answer to that question as I can offer. Fact is, the whole Yankees/Red Sox thing is a much bigger deal to the respective fanbases than it is to the players. I guarantee you these guys don’t care who wins the title. All they know is that it wasn’t them…and that’s all that matters. They’d be back with the same vengeance in ’09 whether Boston, Tampa, or anyone else won in ’08
See I totally disagree. Jeter’s been there, done that, and he is processing the way he needs to process. He said he refuses to watch postseason games. Jeter is total equilibrium. Joba is total emotion. If you watched Jorge Posada on Centerstage, then you would know that your “I guarantee you these guys don’t care who wins the title” notion, especially as it concerns the Sux, is totally false.
Anyway, who knows. Joba’s reported reaction didn’t seem to indicate he was unaffected. We all know what happens to Joba when he pitches to Pukelisp. You cannot play for the Yankees and not be aware of “the rivalry.” Perhaps if it were another team and the same comment had been made, perhaps no reaction other than some muttering may have occurred.
Give me a break. Yeah, Jets played poorly against Raiders but still should’ve won on the road against a desperate team. They’ll rebound against the Chiefs and Rams and upset the Bills, who are overrated.
Screw you and the Pats.
TurnTwo
October 21st, 2008 at 11:32 am
“Giambi nets no picks. He’s neither a Type A nor a Type B and therefore gets you no comp.â€
he’s a Type-B, or anticipated Type-B. that gets you a pick after the second round.
“it was a colossal mistake and increased payroll,prevented the team from taking on more payroll and using the players involved in that trade to better the teamâ€
they took the risk on the wrong pitcher.
and the Bedard trade doesnt actually stop them from taking on payroll, becuase Bedard didnt come with a hefty salary or long term commitment. they decided to tear it down, and rightfully so, because they werent going to make one move to turn it around.
it was also a flawed decision by the Mariners organization to believe they were in a position to make a push for the World Series when they werent ready.
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it only works when the pitcher you get turns into a great player or remains a great player,the people you give up don’t turn into anything special but with smart gm’s demanding good prospects in return it rarely works in you’re favor if ever.
the red sox traded for becket but had to give up hanley ramirez and more,the list is endless.
yes it can work but the odds are against you because peavey will cost the yankees hughes,maybe cano and more.the padres will ask for joba first and get turned down hard.
point being,there are so many players that would be lost by the yankees that at least one or two would equal or surpass peavey’s talent.
the padres will not take kennedy and a bunch of scrubs.hughes will be gone,maybe ajax and montero and that my friend is way to much to give up when we can sign sabathia/dempster/perez/?????? for just money and except for sabathia every fa pitcher will be cheaper than peavey.
he will wan’t a ton of money and an extention to waive his ntc.