It’s not as bad as some people think
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- October
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To read the comments on this blog (and others) and listen to WFAN, an unknowing observer would think that the Yankees won 69 games this season, not 89.
This just in: Only six teams in baseball won more games than the Yankees.
People also seem to have forgotten that Chien-Ming Wang started 15 games. Or that Jorge Posada had 168 at-bats. Or that Hideki Matsui had 337 at-bats. Or that they changed managers for the first time since 1996. Or that Joba Chamberlain pitched only 100 innings. Or that Phil Hughes pitched only 34.
Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson started 35 games. That’s 22 percent of the season.
To be sure, the Yankees have issues. They need at least two starters and a first baseman and maybe a center fielder. They need Joe Girardi to relax a bit. They need far more attention paid to defense.
But they do not need to move Robbie Cano to center field, which somebody just suggested on the WFAN. Or spend $90 million or trade all of their prospects.
If this panic-in-the-streets attitude was in place in the mid-90s, the Yankees would have given up on Bernie Williams, Andy Pettitte and a sore-armed kid named Mariano Rivera.
It’s October 23. The season starts in 168 days – about six months. Trust me, the Yankees will have a contending team by then.
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There was a bit of news today:
The Yankees have hired Bill Livesey as a pro scout. Livesey worked with the Yankees from 1977-95 as a minor league manager, area scout, national crosschecker and farm director. He served as the Yankees’ Vice President of Player Development and Scouting from 1992-95. He has since worked with the Tampa Bay, Toronto and New York Mets organizations.
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“But they do not need to move Robbie Cano to center field, which somebody just suggested on the WFAN.”
remind me again why so many listen to this station? is it the comedic value?
Yankees have the potential to have 5+ picks of the first 75 picks next year. Hopefully they don’t blow it all on aging free agents. They need to let their farm system flourish.
Yeah, I think we are just fine. As Pete said, we won 89 games which is not too shaby. The two teams in our division who finished ahead of us played to 7 games in the ALCS, so it is not like we lost out to mediocre teams.
Losing focus on the farm system now is not going to happen with Cashman, nor should it.
Pete, is there some kind of flap going on between Mike F and Carton. I heard a caller intimate that. I think Carton is THE WORST on NY Radio.
Anyhow thanks for all your work this season.
i hope they pick the right players in the draft.
ajax,montero and others look good.
sign a few pitchers,a stopgap first baseman and or centerfielder and save the money unless it is a great fit.
The Yankees farm is much improved obviously but it has a a long way to go. They have the potential to pick up several picks but what the Yankees need are young bats. They aren’t around when they pick.
“mel from Taco Bell
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 am
So in my eyes, CF should be looked at as a defensive position. See if we can get some production at 1B.
I like Gardner, and he was definitely getting it at the end. You can’t undervalue a veteran presence, but sadly, we have too much “veteran†presence. Posada, Jeter, Damon, Matsui. Old, old, old, old.
Where’s the energy going to come from? We need a sparkplug. I can’t see slogging through another season. I’m willing to gamble the bat, which may or may not come around for the other things that Gardner can offer”
mel: well stated. I see it exact same way.
if Cameron will get CC to the bronx, then get him.
otherwise, Gardner needs to add bunting to his game, and prefer to have him in CF. Let Cashman work overtime, to upgrade RF, 1b, and the bench.
by the way, you make a hella volcanic taco
All you need to know about WFAN –
Somebody called and suggested that we sign Manny and platoon him with Matsui.
“they need Joe Girardi to relax a bit”
I don’t get it. Very confused.
allegedly the veterans were upset at Girardi for not getting after players/disciplining them, when they needed it. Example, Cano.
does Girardi need to lighten up and be less strict? Or be more strict? Which is it?
Bill Livesey is one solid step in the right direction in the Yankees quest to upgrade their front office.
He would have never come back into the fold if Cash didn’t return.
He has a real good eye for talent and is very well respected in the game.
Never trust September numbers. How many times do teams need to be burned before they stop doing it?
Melky was a huge sparkplug for us too for a while, how did that work out? And he was a better hitter and better outfielder than Gardner.
from what Mortenson said, Mike Singletary is hired to be fired, and Mike Holmgren is positioned to be the next 49ers coach.
Mr. Singletary: you personify everything which football should be. Were one of the 3 greatest middle-linebackers, to ever play the game. And a class human being.
please consider the Jets.
“Bill Livesey is one solid step in the right direction in the Yankees quest to upgrade their front office.
He would have never come back into the fold if Cash didn’t return.
He has a real good eye for talent and is very well respected in the game.”
Thats good to hear. I clicked on the comments link to ask you what your opinion of Livesey is. I’m glad that Cashman is looking at every facet of the organization in an attempt to upgrade the team.
vinny-b
It sounded to me like Girardi perhaps needs to re-arrange his priorities a bit. In areas where he was too strict, he might need to relax a bit (ice cream, anyone?), and in areas where he was more hands-off (Cano), he needed to be more hands on. If that helps.
Pete – some of us didn’t jump off any bridges yet, and most of us don’t want the Yankees to have a firesale.
Girardi needs to stop being a dictator, IMO.
Eliminate the boot camp ST and this nonsensical no candy in the clubhouse rule. He had opposing teams take it out of the road clubhouse too? That went too far. That’s no way to earn the respect of the veterans. It’s not a big deal to them, they can afford to buy their own candy store if they wanted, but the dictatorship mentality probably turned off a lot of guys.
He was too hard in areas which he shouldn’t have been (candy) and too soft when it came to handling his players (Cano). Not communicating with his coaches or his players were a red flag as well.
He needs to emulate Joe Maddon more than he Buck Showalter.
The Yankees are on the right track. They’re a couple years behind Boston, Tampa and Philadelphia, but they’ve finally figured it out and now are heading in the right direction.
YHou know what they day.
Better late than never.
SJ: thank you for the word on Bill Livesey.
positive news.
C’mon Pete, you can’t expect to last in sports journalism by being rational instead of ranting and raving and making knee-jerk comments!
He’s another calm voice in a sea of noise Patrick. Someone who will tell Cash the truth instead of what he wants to hear.
Next, I’d like to see Cash bring Pat Gillick in as a consultant. He and Cash are VERY close. Pat is retiring as GM of the Phillies after the WS. Perhaps he would be willing to consult. It would be great if Cash could bring him aboard.
Then, I go after Gordon Lakey, Gillick’s closest ally in the game. If you add Gillick and Lakey to the Yankees braintrust, you have one helluva baseball organization, well positioned for the long haul.
Clap your hands.
Clap – CLAP…...Clap – CLAP
Everybody’s talkin about Cameron and Damom and Rowand and Jackson and Melkmman and Mac Clouth and Matt Kemp Matty Matty Matt Kemp…....
All We Are Saying …. Is Give Brett A Chance
How is a .230 hitter supposed to provide a ‘spark’ to a veteran laden team? Is he going to make A-Rod in the clutch or Jeter stop grounding into DPs? Is he going to make us hit in the clutch and make Cano go back to 07 Cano? There is nothing a fringe 9th place hitter can do to rally a team.
That is almost as foolish as the ones suggesting that the team would rally around Shelly Duncan and take their cues from him after the ST brawl.
If you want Brett, you have no choice but to sign Teixeria.
Where is the offense going to come from? You can’t be way below average at 1B AND CF. Remember, we scored 250 less runs than last year and we will certainly lose 50 HRs/200 RBIs from Abreu/Giambi.
“Next, I’d like to see Cash bring Pat Gillick in as a consultant. He and Cash are VERY close. Pat is retiring as GM of the Phillies after the WS. Perhaps he would be willing to consult. It would be great if Cash could bring him aboard.
Then, I go after Gordon Lakey, Gillick’s closest ally in the game. If you add Gillick and Lakey to the Yankees”
SJ: please forward/email these recommendations to Brian Cashman. I am serious.
I agree the ice cream/candy thing was simply insulting and demeaning to a group of adult men. Insist on having healthier snacks available. That’s fine. But banning the other was silly.
Most on this site are more rational than the man who basically wanted Edward turned into a gelding after every bad outing.
I wonder if Pete is a gemini or has a lot of planets there. This is the lead-in Pete Abraham that I’ve grown to adore. The optimistic, positive, level-headed keep em off the bridges version.
Nothing to add but absolutely spot on.
I wonder if Pete is a gemini or has a lot of planets there. This is the lead-in Pete that I’ve grown to adore. The optimistic, positive, level-headed keep em off the bridges version.
Nothing to add but absolutely spot on.
without Wang’s injury, I think we make the playoffs. Joba, A-Rod, Posada, Matsui, Jeter for 2 weeks, and Bruney are all just icing on the cake
“Jeff
October 23rd, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Where is the offense going to come from?”
aquire Blalock, to play 1B. Then, work overtime to upgrade RF. Maybe a trade for Kemp.
SJ—
Did you see my earlier post a few threads ago about the interview with Lakey this morning on XM175. It was so interesting and insightful as to how important the scouting department really is and it was Lakey who urged the Phils to go after Lidge big time.
I believe that Lakey was with the Phila prior to Gillick coming in I think he was there under Ed Wade as well not sure if he would leave Philly at this point but one never knows. As a Phillie fan would hate to see him go as a Yankee fan it would be GREAT if he would lol.
The worst thing in the world they could do is guarantee Gardner a spot next year and then when he is hitting .240 and we’re not scoring any runs and struggling offensively, they rush Jackson up here to try and get a spark.
That why I agree with you Jeff, they need to sign Tex (or Manny even though they won’t) so they can really bolster the offense and withstand Gardner’s subpar bat for a while, and if he does well then that will only make us better.
By the way, I think it is going to be a c-c-c-cold winter. The weather has really turned cold and tonight it’s going to be 32. Squirrels are going crazy trying to find food.
Peter do not think rationally..
Yeah the Yanks have no options clowns, sign old aging crap for long term contracts that has worked so well in the past….
the phillies and rays have made all those big offseason signings the last few years!!!!!!!!Zippo….
Pete its time to wake up and smell the coffee.
I know you love Wang, and he’s a great guy like Andy Phillips, but he’s not an ace who dominates lineups. And with the Rays throwing another potential ace in their rotation in Price next season, and the Yankees still without one, there should be some panic with Yankee fans.
Also plan on Giambi and Abreu both elsewhere, and your number 3 hitter is who? Xavier Nady? Matsui and his new Forest Gump magic legs?
There are huge problems with this team. If people think this year was the worst to come, fasten your seatbelts. 2009 is going to be brutal.
Trisha,
The Rays may very well be the Goliath.
So let’s talk for a few minutes about the season that Jeter had. Admittedly it was an atypical season. He was the antithesis of clutch and GI more DP than Carter has pills. How many games did we lose just based on Jeter’s unclutchness alone? The only reason I bring this up is because it makes me think more and more that Girardi was actually a tremendous manager. Now hear me out. The Yankees came close to winning 90 games in a divison that was loaded with competition for the first time in ever. That was in spite of all of the injuries Girardi had to contend with, and in spite of being presented with something Torre never confronted: a relatively ineffective Jeter, a relatively ineffective Cano (first half of the season certainly), and a relatively unclutch Arod. (well every other season he saw it, but usually not in tandem with all the other stuff.
GO GIRARDI!
Trisha, until you spend a winter in upstate NY, you don’t know what winter is.
Trust me on this.
“The Rays may very well be the Goliath.”
Bronx, ain’t that the truth!
Francessa said that Livesy was with the Mets and was one of the big proponents of the Kazmir-Zombrano trade because he knew Zombrano from his time in Tampa before he joined the Mets.
I hate when I have to wait 6 months for baseball…
The only problem with getting Manny is that A-Rod might not like the fact that he might make more per year than him.
We might have to restructure A-Rod’s deal before we sign Manny to make sure A-Rod still makes more per year than Manny does for the length of Manny’s contract.
Rebecca, I hear that all the time, and I actually remember seeing pictures of Syracuse U in the snow when students couldn’t even get out of their cars! And that was supposedly commonplace!
Because we don’t have the kind of winters that are crippling, save for a storm here and there, I pretty much look forward to it – less so this winter only because our PUC gave our utility companies the right to raise our rates TWENTY TWO PERCENT!!! That was before the market tanked, but it’s a done deal. So I cannot imagine what my heat and electric bills are going to look like. I have a cousin who lives in Maine, near the Maine/NH border and she assures me that if I lived there I would absolutely grow to hate the winter.
Not to throw cold water on the fire but Livesey was the Mets special assistant to the GM when Kazmir was traded for Zambrano. I hope that wasn’t his idea!
ABOUT MANNY
If this is old news I apologize since I typically don’t get to read all of the preceding posts when I join up.
Reports are that the Dodgers are going to offer Manny 27 mil, but for two years.
If I am wrong about this, I will allow posters to decide on the most depracating tagline, and I will use it for two straight months.
THE YANKEES DO NOT WANT MANNY SO GIVE IT UP. IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!
Thank you.
“We might have to restructure A-Rod’s deal before we sign Manny to make sure A-Rod still makes more per year than Manny does for the length of Manny’s contract.”
This might be my favorite post of all time.
I got a contact high just reading it !
West Side,
Who cares what Alex thinks about other players’ contracts? I bet none of his teammates do.
THE YANKEES DO NOT WANT MANNY SO GIVE IT UP. IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!
well said, Trisha.
sick of hearing the Cano trade talks, and now I’m definitely sick of Manny should come to NY talks. sigh!!!
I like Manny. He’s like the runt puppy in the pet store window. Kind of ugly, but kind of cute. Then he grows up to be a beast that can hit the ball for miles…
I’m not as optimistic as Pete that the Yanks will be competitive in 2008, Nevertheless, they should not trade their young players. It’s not affordable to have highly paid established players in every key position.
Consider 9 starters, 5 SPs, and a closer. Suppose these 15 key people are each getting between $10 million and $30 million—say averaging $18 million a piece. That would be $270 million. Add another $10 million or more for the other 10 players and you’ve got a team payroll of $280 million.
That’s too much, even for the Yanks. The moral is that in order to succeed a team must have several good key players who are still making low salaries. Put another way, Hughes, Acevedo, etc. have considerably greater value to the team as compared with equally good highly paid pitchers. In other words, if the Yanks pay too much to their pitchers, they won’t have enough money left over to sign Teixera or a top center fielder.
“Also plan on Giambi and Abreu both elsewhere, and your number 3 hitter is who? Xavier Nady? Matsui and his new Forest Gump magic legs?”
Patrick, that is an excellent question. Too many people are living in the past regarding Matsui and thinks he is the 30/100 guy who hits .300 with a ton of clutch hits. Fact is, he is a shell of himself after his wrist injury. He never stays healthy and is very streaky. Those counting on him next year should proceed with caution. He is a mere role player now.
And Nady is a .260 hitter with a .320 OBP and tons of strikeouts and groundouts to SS. He has been on 4 teams in the last 4 years and traded mid-season in 06 and 08. Posada is 37 and coming off shoulder surgery too—who knows how that will affect his bad speed.
Offense is a major concern next year.
And come to think of it, if the Yankees are thinking about bringing a player in, they’ll probably ask Jeter and Posada what they think.
You think they ask Alex? Is he in the inner sanctum?
Bill Livesey was Al Leiter’s first manager in Pro ball. He managed the Oneonta Yankees 24 years ago in upstate NY. He’s been around the block and is a smart baseball man.
Trisha: That sounds about right. There were days we’d go to class where it didn’t get above 0 F all day, and snowing.
So yeah, I don’t pity anyone that considers the 30 degree weather cold.
Blustery, sure, but you’re not going to get frostbitten on your way to class!
David,
If you’re saying that our pitchers can give you what a #4 or #5 can for a fraction of the cost, I agree with you.
Wang is a great value, I’d like to see us develop our own pitching so we won’t have to rely so heavily on the FA market in the future.
“To be sure, the Yankees have issues. They need at least two starters and a first baseman and maybe a center fielder.”
Is that all? These gaps are serious problems for the team. Sure, if we can sign Sabathia, Burnett, Teixeira, and Cameron, and all of them have healthy and productive seasons, then the team is a World Series favorite. But the chances we sign four FAs of that caliber are miniscule. If Cashman doesn’t get real creative with a combination of signings and trades, and we don’t get a surprise breakout season from a lower-tier player like Gardner or Miranda, then we’ll be seeing far too much of the Andy Phillipses and Darrel Rasners of the world. That could keep us out of the playoffs again.
“They need Joe Girardi to relax a bit.”
That is probably number #500 or so on the Yankees list of “needs.” Also, if Girardi relaxes, doesn’t that mean Cano will have another terrible season because he won’t focus? Or are we supposed to bring in Bowa to act as the enforcer so that Girardi can relax? So confusing.
“They need far more attention paid to defense.”
We likely won’t see Abreu or Giambi back. Anyone replacing them will be an improvement defensively.
If we don’t get Cameron, Gardner will likely be our CF, and his defense should be decent.
After that, what else can we do? Move Jeter to CF?
Rebecca, just for the record so I don’t sound like a total wuss! It isn’t that I consider 30 cold. I’m just surprised that it has dropped to that temp this quickly. That’s why I’m predicting a c-c-c-cold winter. I will admit that when it gets to 5 to 10 degrees with the wind chill factor bringing to below 0, I don’t want to be anywhere but in front of a fire!
Did they ever call off classes?
“John
October 23rd, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Too many people are living in the past regarding Matsui and thinks he is the 30/100 guy who hits .300 with a ton of clutch hits. Fact is, he is a shell of himself after his wrist injury”
a bit much. Matsui was the best hitter on the team, when he went down with injury this year. Defensively? Yes. He have proven he can still hit, tho.
If Manny is amenable to the type of contract the Dodgers are giving him, I could definitely see us involved.
I don’t think Cashman would have a problem giving him a bunch of money for 2 years. If his option is that or Teixeria for 8, I’d bet he goes Manny for 2.
The problem is, I doubt he will accept that. Some team will give him 4 yrs. But if Cashman has taught us one thing its that never underestimate him. He is a snake when it comes to these type of moves.
Matsui was one of our most consistent producers. Yes, he’s been injured, but he’s going to give you something when he’s healthy. He also stretched the lineup when he came back.
Matsui for one last hurrah.
if it were a 2yr contract, Manny would stay in LA then.
an ignorant team, will prolly give him 4yrs.
About Manny – the announcement also said that they didn’t think Manny would take that.
My opinion is that they do not want to take on the contract of a KNOWN loose cannon. Again, and read my lips: THE YANKEES DO NOT WANT MANNY.
Depracating tagline on the line!
Manny would hit .400 with 14 HR’s and 25 RBI’s in April, demand an extension, then whine cry and quit when he doesn’t get one.
Having Matsui shouldn’t preclude them from adding more bats.
Agreed.
If a 2 year deal is the best Manny could get, he’d stay in LA and say it’s because he loves it there.
If he can still hit in 2 years, then he can hit the junior circuit.
The Dodgers had to have some desire to re-sign him when they got him.
But two go two rounds beyond what they would have otherwise was probably worth it.
Manny rejuvenated Dodger Town. It’ll be interesting to see who else steps up.
The thought of listening to Trisha rant and rave all off season gives one a good headache.
trisha,
What’s your point about the tagline? Are you saying you’ll do it if the rumor’s false or if the Yankees show interest?
The Yankees won 89 with a starting pitching staff that had 4.58 era and averaged 5.5 innings a start.
15 more starts from Wang
15-20 starts from Joba
30 starts from CC
Throw in Pete’s info on Matsui and Posada, along with better years from Jeter (who had his worst OPS ever) and Cano, and the Yankees will make the playoffs.
“Manny would hit .400 with 14 HR’s and 25 RBI’s in April, demand an extension, then whine cry and quit when he doesn’t get one.”
But that would only be after he watered the outfield grass in the new Stadium, rolled over on a ball he missed and laughed about it all the way back to the dugout, styled at home plate whenever he hit a homer, chugged down to first base with the speed of a snail on marijuana, and backhanded Jeter in the dugout.
The Royals had the same record as us in September BTW, both had 18 wins in the month.
89 wins is a cosmetic stat. They played great when the pressure was off. We were a .500 team for most of the year. A late surge when it didn’t matter shouldn’t change that. Well, the pinstripe glasses fans can, but not the organization.
The thought of listening to Trisha rant and rave all off season gives one a good headache.
NO. the ranting of trading Cano and signing Manny is the headache.
“If this panic-in-the-streets attitude was in place in the mid-90s, the Yankees would have given up on Bernie Williams, Andy Pettitte and a sore-armed kid named Mariano Rivera.”
There are no Bernie Williams, Andy Pettitte or Mariano Rivera caliber prospects in the system. Maybe Austin Jackson and Melancon but nobody wants to trade those kids anyway. Trading Hughes should be looked at, ignoring a potential trade that could significantly benefit this team would be silly.
Fraidy, I mean Freddy, awww, sad that the players you want don’t have a shot of coming to the Yankees? That’s your problem not mine. And obviously you are not of really high intelligence or you wouldn’t need me to tell you this. If you don’t like my posts, DON’T READ THEM.
Okay little WAH!!!!! ??
Okay!
“Tom
October 23rd, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Throw in Pete’s info on Matsui and Posada, along with better years from Jeter (who had his worst OPS ever) and Cano, and the Yankees will make the playoffs”
what-up, Tom.
where does Tampa and Boston, fit?
Why would Manny ever take 2 yrs?
He’ll have plenty of teams that want the BEST HITTER on the market.
What you people don’t get about free agency is that no one signs discounts.
The highlight of Trisha’s day: Deciding what jersey to wear. Igawa or Pavano.
You want cold try living in Syracuse. Or western New York.
“The Yankees won 89 with a starting pitching staff that had 4.58 era and averaged 5.5 innings a start.”
Where have you been since 2003??? That’s every Yankee team. They’ve had crap pitching for years.
Ed, thanks. Fraidy is obviously a crybaby who doesn’t like that we’re not blessing some player he is praying about.
YAWN!
Mel, what I am saying is that I am so positive that the Yankees will not try to get Manny that if I end up being wrong, I will be happy to let the most vile poster on this forum (now that’s gonna definitely be a draw numbers proposition) suggest the most hateful (read, boy that made him happy!) tagline he can think of and I will happily use it for two straight months.
Al,
did you read the Post today about David Lee testing the market free week? wassup with that?
next year****
I think Cashman is going to have some surprises this off-seasons. Just like nobody saw the Nady trade coming (and most on this board were Tabata apologists and thought there was no way he would be traded). Who saw A-Rod coming? Damon? Clemens for $28 million in May? Pettitte in 06?
You guys need to stop thinking you know whats going on his his head. He also appears to be rounding up a nice supporting cast, all it takes is a convincing suggestion from one of those guys to change the course, especially if he brings in a Gillick advisory or Gillick himself like SJ suggested.
Manny would take 2 years @ Alex’s AAV.
But, you’re right, Hart. People think that Manny’s a leper. He still has game, and he’s going to make a difference on his next team.
Ah, I recognize “Freddy” now! Only his screename has changed multiple times.
LOSER with a capital L!
Trisha, in 130 years they’ve called off class twice.
Ed, thanks. Fraidy is obviously a crybaby who doesn’t like that we’re not blessing some player he is praying about.
no problem.
I seriously cant wait till the Dodgers or some deseparate team signing Manny.
mel, I don’t think anyone thinks Manny’s a leper and I think most of us realize he certainly still has game. I can only speak for myself here, but I personally don’t want all the baggage that goes with Manny being Manny!
I agree Pete—- 2 starters, 1B, CF, and concentration on defense.
Except there is no guarentee we get any of that. If we miss out on CC, our off-season is pretty much ruined. Burnett is not an adequate consolation prize for CC, either is Lowe.
Rebecca, do you know what the circumstances were????
“Al,
did you read the Post today about David Lee testing the market free week? wassup with that?”
Well Lee is the only all-star caliber player on the Knicks. I would hope that they could sign him long-term but their salary cap is a complete disaster.
Who saw A-Rod coming? Damon? Clemens for $28 million in May? Pettitte in 06?
which A-Rod coming? 2004?
The signing of Damon, Clemens and Pettitte returning was all expected.
Vinny, I honestly believe that if Wang, Matsui, Joba and Posada were healthy and had average seasons the Yankees would have made the playoffs this year.
Al,
if Lee does infact become a free agent next year, I hope the Nets sign him, if not then he should stay with the Knicks. Who knows, he might be the face of the franchise.
I don’t remember Pettite and Mariano being any great prospects.
I didn’t call into WFAN but I do suggest a LF/DH platoon between Matsui and Manny in which they would both bat but only one would field. Plus, we don’t know if Matsui will be able to be a full time player next year so it’s entirely possible that he will be a platoon player (just not with manny).
Lord help the people on this board if we don’t get CC.
You think Jeter, Posada, Mo aren’t going to show up and play?
Wow. Just, wow.
Tom –
you mean if Wang never injuried himself while running right? Running and staying healthy is 2 complete different things.
I don’t think Cashman would discount Manny. It all depends how the rest of the off-season goes. We might have to alter our plans if things don’t work out the way we expect or if he’s “there for the taking”, per se after we’ve got our pitcher(s).
A-Rod might endorse him too and convince them that he can control him.
But I kind of hope Manny stays with LA because that should effectively take them out of the CC sweepstakes. Same with Tex and the Angels. Those teams are not giving out 2 mega deals in one off-season. Then the Giants will be our only main competitor for CC.
Tom.
Please explain an average season for Joba?
Ed,
They were all surprises. Especially Clemens ‘07.
I mean, even Suzyn Waldman didn’t have a clue. {giggle}
“Who saw A-Rod coming? Damon? Clemens for $28 million in May? Pettitte in 06?
which A-Rod coming? 2004?
The signing of Damon, Clemens and Pettitte returning was all expected.”
I gotta disagree Ed. Perhaps Clemens/Pettitte but Damon was supposed to go back to the Sox and we signed him away from them at the last minute.
“Al,
if Lee does infact become a free agent next year, I hope the Nets sign him, if not then he should stay with the Knicks. Who knows, he might be the face of the franchise.”
I think the Knicks would match any offer for Lee, the only reason they haven’t signed him yet is because they want to make sure they can fit Lee’s paycheck under their stiff cap.
They especially wouldn’t let him go to your boys out in Jersey lol. Lopez and Jianlian look pretty good why do you need Lee have mercy hes our only decent player
But they do not need to move Robbie Cano to center field, which somebody just suggested on the WFAN.
Wait. Someone actually called up and suggested that?
Their dealer must have the good stuff.
Re: Rivera being a good prospect
For those who didn’t know, Rivera was almost traded to the Tigers in 95.
mel – Why do you hate CC so much? Most good players are going to be mercenaries and not want the Yankees as their 1st choice. If he helps us win, does it really matter?
The Yankees have operated like that for years, its not going to change now. Especially if you listen to all the media reports that we’re prepared to blow him out of the water when we make our offer.
an Average season for Joba would have been 120-140ip. with an era between 3.5 and 3.90.
He was a Rookie after all.
Ed,
Most of those guys were pretty big surprises. It was figured that Damon was a lock to go back to the Sox and he himself had no interest in the Yankees.
Clemens was widely assumed to go back to Houston. And Pettitte coming back here was kind of out of left field, most assumed that he too would go back to Houston.
A-Rod both times were huge surprises, but the 2nd time involved Hank, so Cashman can’t really take credit for that.
but Damon was supposed to go back to the Sox and we signed him away from them at the last minute.
ok, now that I didn’t know. thanks for correcting me.
I was shocked when they got Damon.
Trisha: Both involved multiple feet of snow falling at such a time that the roads could not be cleared before the start of class.
And multiple feet I mean at least three feet.
S.A. –
Yes, I heard that too. Then Francessa suggested moving Jeter to CF instead.
Red Dragons,
I don’t hate CC. I’ve said I would like to have him. If he wants us.
I just can’t believe the “blank check” talk and “we’re doomed if we don’t get him talk”.
He’s great. He’s a lefty ace. But 7 years? 30% above premium? Before luxury tax? We’ve operated for years without him, too.
I’ll cheer for him when he’s a Yankee. I never once said I hate him or that he’ll suck.
Basically, everybody in the media said Andy/Clemens would go back to Houston in 06 and didn’t want to come back to the AL.
I was more surprised about that than Damon, who I had a sneaking suspicion would come here because he would chase money. And the A-Rod saga in 04 was just surreal how it went down.
Remember when Clemens made his return announcement from the booth during the game?
he said. ” I’ll be talkin to yuall real soon.”
I was like really? does that mean he’s coming back to pitch? Why is he going to be “talking to us”? Is he going to be taking Bob Shepard’s job?
What did he get 6 wins? He battled though.
And to this day, we don’t know what Clemens told George.
Urban legend.
I say he confessed.
Yes, I heard that too. Then Francessa suggested moving Jeter to CF instead.
Oh my lord.
I think the Knicks would match any offer for Lee, the only reason they haven’t signed him yet is because they want to make sure they can fit Lee’s paycheck under their stiff cap.
they just need to remove Marbury’s contract and they could lock up Lee. the thing is, who in the world have be dumb enough to take Marbury and his contract? hmm….
Yes, I heard that too. Then Francessa suggested moving Jeter to CF instead.
Jeter would burst out laughing in his face.
E,
As long as their is perspective involved. Burnett is going to be like Oliver Perez/Brett Myers. Guys who can dominate on any day but will always have that question lingering. They are just as likely to get shelled. I don’t think you can ever fully trust them, especially in a big game. Plus he is injury prone. Boston can take the risk on him because they don’t need an ace. They are setup very well, they have three under 30 top of the rotation pitchers who can throw 200 innings. They only need him to shore up the back of the rotation.
He is a huge risk, the drop off from CC is significant. We won’t be doomed, but we’ll be a 3rd place team that needs a lot of help to get to the playoffs. Burnett or Lowe don’t put us ahead of the Sox/Rays.
It’s never what they say.
It’s always what they don’t say that tells you what you need to know.
“I think the Knicks would match any offer for Lee, the only reason they haven’t signed him yet is because they want to make sure they can fit Lee’s paycheck under their stiff cap.
they just need to remove Marbury’s contract and they could lock up Lee. the thing is, who in the world have be dumb enough to take Marbury and his contract? hmm….”
This is Marbury’s last season with us after we lose his 21 million off the cap then we can pay Lee. Donnie Walsh is a smart GM unlike Thomas I have faith in him.
If Curry and Crawford opt out of their contracts after this season then I can see the resigning Lee.
if we need some offense mid-season, we can always sign bonds and move damon to CF.
so we can go with gardner to start the year and if he doesn’t hit, then we can sign bonds.
Question: We all want CC in the Bronx, he’s relatively young, entering his prime, a big game guy(won the Pepsi Clutch Award) and only costs money…however he is a big guy, as in big in heart and waste size. Anybody think Girardi’s candy policy will deter him from the Yanks? haha. Also, I like cash getting a veteran scout, but would it be a good idea to create his own advisory board(not a board for Hank, but a board for Brian) and bring in some statisticians and the like. Maybe he could have small roles for JC Bradbury(Sabernomics.com) Sam Walker(author of Fantasyland), Pat Gillick, Tino Martinez(Already an adviser, but would be a part of this board) and maybe a master statistician or writer( A Bill James of Ron Shandler type) maybe look at Jayson Stark of SI.com, Ken Rosenthal(foxsports.com), Buster Olney(ESPN). These guys don’t neccesarily have experience working in a front office, but having a writer’s perspective would be interesting as they know best how transactions will be written up by the media and how fans will react to such moves. By bringing in an Economist, a Fantasy Guru and writer, a brilliant former GM, a former Yankee and WS champion, and then a writer, the Yankees would have an interesting mix of views and opinions. Thoughts?
I liked Mariano as a starter. I thought he could be alright. Him and Mendoza did a decent job spot starting in 95’. I was a little disappointed when they put him in the pen. Obviously that was a case of misplaced emotion.
yeah the yanks will miss Giambi and his 203 BA with RISp and Abreu and his great D.
You did not know they are playing next year without any 1B and Rf those positions will be vacant..
Yeah Wang is no ace, who give a crap if he is a 16 game winner is that not better then Ponson?
Yeha the all star at every position is a winning strategy.
Yeah Tampa is Goliath; bartlett at SS, zero in RF, Iwamura at 2B, bad DH’s, Pena and his 240 avg at 1B, and a bullpen that until this year did nothing and a starting rotation that had zero injuries.. Yeah the Yanks should just give up; zobrist, gross, bj howell, and the rest are too much to overcome, give up Yanks..
wolf man (2008 is over)
That’s a great idea…if Bonds gets hurt can we bring down Reggie?
Humberto Sanchez in the AFL today –
6 hits and 6 runs without recording an out.
“Yes, I heard that too. Then Francessa suggested moving Jeter to CF instead”
Francessa was screaming about moving Bernie to first base. It was his pet topic that he spent way to much time on. Then he asked Torre if it was possible and Torre said no it’s a really stupid idea. Mike then took no responsibility for the idea and called those who did idiots.
“if we need some offense mid-season, we can always sign bonds and move damon to CF.
so we can go with gardner to start the year and if he doesn’t hit, then we can sign bonds.”
I think Bonds is where everyone wants him right now, out of the game.
Tom
October 23rd, 2008 at 6:21 pm
The Yankees won 89 with a starting pitching staff that had 4.58 era and averaged 5.5 innings a start.
15 more starts from Wang
15-20 starts from Joba
30 starts from CC
Throw in Pete’s info on Matsui and Posada, along with better years from Jeter (who had his worst OPS ever) and Cano, and the Yankees will make the playoffs.
Jeter’s wrist injury was the culprit; behind the lack of power, the chronic hitting into DPs and the offline throws. This is a bitch of an injury.
Let’s not forget ARod missed significant playing time, too.
Sosa hasn’t retired yet. Neither has Clemens. Bring them in too.
stuart—picking the worst players from a good team to try and rationalize that they suck is mindless.
yeah and the rays should be afraid of the yankees with dan giese, gardner, jose veras, and molina
or the sox with wakefield, javy lopez, varitek, mark kotsay
you are grasping at straw my friend
“I think Cashman is going to have some surprises this off-seasons. Just like nobody saw the Nady trade coming (and most on this board were Tabata apologists and thought there was no way he would be traded).”
The big surprise is going to be when Cashman sees that he sold Tabata too low for a 4th outfielder.
Robbie Cano, Doncha Know acts like a complete idiot on the major league level, yet Tabata screws up in Trenton and is one of the youngest players in AA and Cashman packs his bags and sends him out.
Bartlett’s the mvp of the Rays. Or Howell. Depends on what day of the week.
And we won 89 games with the likes of “dan giese, gardner, jose veras, and molina”
The point that Pete’s trying to make is that the team’s not total trash. Even though he trashes the manager.
My point is that NOT getting CC will not doom the Yankees for all eternity. It’ll certainly be more challenging, but it won’t be fatal.
“The big surprise is going to be when Cashman sees that he sold Tabata too low for a 4th outfielder.
Robbie Cano, Doncha Know acts like a complete idiot on the major league level, yet Tabata screws up in Trenton and is one of the youngest players in AA and Cashman packs his bags and sends him out.”
Ridiculous statement. Nady drove in nearly 100 runs with 25 HR’s yeah hes a 4th outfielder. Cano nearly won a batting title and is a tremendous fielder who occasionally mentally lapses. Please stop over-hyping Tabata. When he actually gets to the majors and is an offensive threat then this argument can be made more efficiently.
and Tabata was incredible in Pittsburgh’s organization…
http://www.c2cbaseball.blogspot.com/
“nicksf.
Please provide your 5 star pick this eve….
I am leaning towards the opposite of last night. TB and over.
Will you touch the WV/Aub game?”
Since you asked, I agree with you however I don’t like the price on TB and I do like the Phillies at +160, so that’s how I went. With a little on the run line too and I guess the over again. Hopefully they can all hit with RISP tonight.
I don’t like either side of the WV/Aub game, two underachieving teams that I don’t like, both going nowhere… I might tease Auburn a little bit on the superior-conference theory, but that’s about it. Kids, don’t try this at home.
yeah John, Guys like melancon, hughes, jackson, gardner, cano, chamberlain, and others have no upside.
Again John the expert you think; Balfour, Howell, Aybar, Navarro,Sonnenstine, and others will repeat there performance next year? I do not…
Wang is a very good pitcher the guy is 28, he will win 14 games in his sleep next year….....
“and Tabata was incredible in Pittsburgh’s organization…”
So he had a few good months in Pittsburgh double A. I would make that trade today. Nady is a great player who will allow the Yanks to not resign Abreu if they choose not to.
i agree completely Al, but i’m just pointing out that he was actually good in their organization, though it was for a short period of time. (and i still love the trade for the yankees)
http://www.c2cbaseball.blogspot.com/
“Bartlett’s the mvp of the Rays. Or Howell. Depends on what day of the week”
Are you drunk?
Tabata had what 100 at bats in Pitts system? Lets calm down.
“i agree completely Al, but i’m just pointing out that he was actually good in their organization, though it was for a short period of time. (and i still love the trade for the yankees)”
Out of the two (Austin and Jose) I think Ajax has the brighter future. The Yankees didn’t NEED to make that trade but in the short term it made a lot of sense for us and about 90% of the posters on here were excited.
Reno,
LOL. Not a drinker.
Let’s see Miller and Morgan have said that Bartlett’s the MVP of the Rays this season for shoring up the defense up the middle.
And the Fox crew said during yesterday’s game that Howell’s been the MVP of the team. But that’s probably because he was, you know, actually making an appearance.
That’s why I meant to say depends on who’s talking or basically what day of the week it is or which producer wrote up their crip notes.
I don’t make stuff up. I just pass it along.
“Out of the two (Austin and Jose) I think Ajax has the brighter future. The Yankees didn’t NEED to make that trade but in the short term it made a lot of sense for us and about 90% of the posters on here were excited.”
I think it was a great trade for the yankees still, and i was one of those who were excited too, lol… (even though i did like McCutchen) Tabata didn’t really have a great attitude for baseball either… Ajax had the brighter future with the yankees, i totally agree
AL: I believe you right.
will Tabata be a decent player? We don’t know yet. In NYY he proved he was a 1 way player, with no power.
we’ll see.
NickSF.
I went with TB -175 and over 8.5.
Aub +3.5 and over 38
I pounded the over in AF/NMS 45.
I would say 1-4 is a good night.
I hate the -175 w/TB but what the hell…
-dpf
“Pena and his 240 avg at 1B”
When are people going to stop believing Batting Average is such an important stat. This BA doesn’t matter when he walks 100 times a year and hits for good power.
the MLB attempting to apply pressure, for the Rays to get a new stadium built.
thank you, Bud. And hopefully, they don’t get one.
DPF,
Is that Air Force & New Mexico State? If it is, good call. NMS piles on the points, but they give up even more.
SJ44 or anyone else – Bill Livesey seems to be very highly thought of throughout baseball. Further, he seems to have had a pretty important position with the Yankees in the mid-90s – Why was he let go in the first place? Does anyone know? I’m just curious what the thought process was that led someone who was apparently highly regarded to be canned in the first place?
Organizations that flourish get the correct pulse from the top down and Bill Livesey is a step in the right direction with others to follow.
This will loom large in the grand scheme of things. Cashman was taking on too much with too little good advice.
DPF, TB opened last night at -150, so the public certainly likes the Rays!
I do like the over in Colorado Springs, I did an Auburn/UNM/over teaser (it’s UNM, not NMS, btw). Good luck.
Reno,
Ignore stuart little. Pete has called him out numerous times for his outrageous and ignorant statements.
He knows nothing about baseball.
Mel. Please cheer for points>
Nick. Good Luck to you as well. WVU is moving the ball but you have to get points early…
-dpf
Livesy is nice, but he is no Josh Byrnes.
We need a Josh Byrnes. A young brilliant mind that comes from an organization with top notch player development.
Is the world baseball classic starting in this offseason? or next years? sorry, just wasn’t completely sure.
http://www.c2cbaseball.blogspot.com/
The Lobos put up 70 last week, so they can score points too.
Auburn has gotten lucky on 2 reviewable plays already…
Tabata was a product of the Cashman-Yankees hype machine. He was a 1 tool player, that was billed as Manny Ramirez. He follows the likes of Hughes, Kennedy, Horne, JB Cox, Duncan, Ohlendorf, Gardner etc.
Nady is a very adequate return for him.
in celebration of Joe Buck announcing tonight’s game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9IilLW1aEw
needed 7 there….that does not bode well for either side of the bet.
Oh mama.
“lokomo
October 23rd, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Is the world baseball classic starting in this offseason? or next years? sorry, just wasn’t completely sure”
this winter/spring. Apparently coverage will be on ESPN and the new MLB Baseball channel.
alright, thankyou Vinny
http://www.c2cbaseball.blogspot.com/
Mark Grace: we snatched that trophy away from the New..York..Yankees in 2001!! (said it with a smirk)
I seriously wanted to smack him across the face when he stretch out “NYY”.
Pete – the Rays and Sox had many injuries too.
Tampa lost their closer Percivil to the DL basically every 3 weeks. They lost Longoria for a month and Crawford for 2 months. That to a lineup that was average as well. And they lost Kazmir for the first month of the season.
Boston lost Lowell for a good portion of the year and played hurt. Ortiz missed 6 weeks and was not even close to the same player he was in previous years. Beckett was on the DL a couple times. Dice-K was on the DL for a month. They lost Schilling, one of their WS heros last year for the season.
Every team had injuries. If we want to pound our chests and say we won 89 games and would have win more if we were healthy, BOS and TB can do the same and be optimistic about their chances next season as well.
““lokomo
October 23rd, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Is the world baseball classic starting in this offseason? or next years? sorry, just wasn’t completely sureâ€
this winter/spring. Apparently coverage will be on ESPN and the new MLB Baseball channel.”
Wonder if any of the Yanks decide to do it? Maybe Jeter or A-Rod but I doubt the Yanks let any pitcher near that exhibition.
I think Jeter and Damon put in their apps for the classic.
Not to fear, DPH, UNM is driving into the red zone.
“Wonder if any of the Yanks decide to do it? Maybe Jeter or A-Rod but I doubt the Yanks let any pitcher near that exhibition.”
i just can’t see any of the yankees allowing anyone of their young guys pitching in the WBC. but i still can’t wait to see it… it will be our first site of baseball in months
http://www.c2cbaseball.blogspot.com/
THE YANKEES DO NOT WANT MANNY SO GIVE IT UP. IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!
Read My Lips! Oh that’s right you can’t. Manny will not come to New York. If he didn’t like being in the city of Boston he won’t like NY. Manny and Boras are all about “SHOW ME THE MONEY.” Once Manny gets his long term deal, expect him to be the player Boston witnessed in the last months and not the one you saw in Dodger blue.
Again, our objective is to fix the starting pitching to compete in our division. Sabathia and Burnett will be the primary objectives. If both obtained, 1st base will be filled with a Casey Blake or a Garko, but not a 200 million 10 year Teixeira. Matsui is our DH, and is untradeable until he can prove himself and waive his NTC. Center field will work itself out.
There will be players not offered arbitration and thus become free agents. The Marlins have a slew of them. We might find a starter and some players there.
Getting 89 wins in our division with the lousy starting pitching, the lack of spark in our offense, some 60’some games scoring 3 runs or less, was actually a miracle.
We will be a better team in 2009, in a brand new stadium. Let’s hope Jeter, Rivera and Posada go on the “campaign trail” to drum up some quality free agent starters!
Scratch that. The Lobos just went for it on 4th and 1 inside the 15 and got stuffed. Oops.
And scratch that ooops, AF fumbled the ball back to UNM on its first play. UNM ball inside the AF 10.
In regards to the Tabata-Nady trade, it obviously was a smart move for the Yanks. But do you all remember that the originally reported trade had us giving up Coke and Kontos instead of Ohlendorf and Karstens. I think it was great to get rid of Ohlendorf and Karstens, they had no future with the club. Luckily we kept Coke, who even though he only had a small time in the bigs, did fairly well, and will be a good starter or lefty specialist at some point. Tabata was a knucklehead who most certainly would have clashed with Joe Girardi, whereas Nady is exactly the kind of guy that thrives in New York. The fans have loved him since his first day. Marte didn’t pitch as well as we expected, but turned it around as the season progressed, but the Yanks and Yankee fans have wanted him forever, and we needed a lefty. It was a great trade. Without it we would have had much less of a chance at the postseason. And Cash didn’t give up Ajax, Hughes, or Kennedy. You can not possibly argue that that wasn’t a smart trade at the deadline. Same with the Pudge trade. Even though it didnt work out as we hoped we needed a catcher that could hit, and we had enough bullpen strength to be rid of Farnsy. Let’s have some support for Cash here guys.
I guess that is why the line is 45.
3-0 at halftime most likely and I am pacing the halls…
-dpf
UNM TD 7-0.
“Tabata was a product of the Cashman-Yankees hype machine. He was a 1 tool player, that was billed as Manny Ramirez. He follows the likes of Hughes, Kennedy, Horne, JB Cox, Duncan, Ohlendorf, Gardner etc”
ignorance at its finest
Needed that TD.
Auburn TD.
Hoochie Mama…
Thou shalt not speak ill of the Infant of Trenton.
“In regards to the Tabata-Nady trade, it obviously was a smart move for the Yanks. But do you all remember that the originally reported trade had us giving up Coke and Kontos instead of Ohlendorf and Karstens”
definitely. Part of what made it a very good trade. Had to make room for the Rule 5.
NYY was beginning to make a run, and Cashman gave them the pieces. It were the players who decided to fold-up shop.
Gardner Fan – completely agree that the Sox had tons of injuries (Rays not so much though).
Lowell had to have surgery after missing many weeks and trying to play through pain. Ortiz missed two months and still had not fully recovered. Beckett dealt with several injuries during the year the pain from his strained oblique was so bad that he struggled to put his shirt on after Game 6. Schilling didn’t even throw a pitch. Lugo has been out since the summer. Dice-K missed a month back in spring. Colon only made a few starts. Wakefield missed a few weeks. Drew’s back kept acting up and also missed a lot of games. And then there is the rest of the guys who eventually went on the DL at some point: Jacoby Ellsbury, Manny Ramirez, Sean Casey, David Aardsma, Mike Timlin, Kevin Youkilis, Manny Delcarmen, Clay Buchholz, Alex Cora and Coco Crisp.
And, the Globe has reported that replacement rookie SS Lowrie has been playing with a broken bone in his hand since May which got worse every month. Lastly, even their manager was hurt – he’s having back surgery soon so that he can stand up straight again w/o pain. Apparently it has been hurting for many months.
Point is, yea our guys will hopefully be healthier next year. But chances are, so will the Sox. It’s not going to be any easier. The Sox big guys had a lot fewer ABs, Clay was just as bad as Hughes, and their starting rotation missed a lot of games too.
Hope Auburn wins. Guy in my probgram is an Auburn alum.
“NYY was beginning to make a run, and Cashman gave them the pieces. It were the players who decided to fold-up shop.”
Very true, I think that most of us Yankee fans thought this team would be a 95 win team when that trade went down. Also Joba through a gem that night up in Fenway only to injure his shoulder a week later.
Is Jhonny Gomes on the roster or is just a mascot? Goon?
ATLANTA (AP) _ General manager Frank Wren insists the Braves won’t trade their most valued prospects, apparently not even to bring Jake Peavy to Atlanta.
Buyer beware on Peavy. His mechanics are a serious injury waiting to happen.
Are we going to make fun of the kids that just sung the National Anthem?
Should we resurrect Kate Smith from the dead to sing it at the next game instead?
That was my favorite game of the season, Joba’s 7 inning 9k… 1-0 shutout win over the sox at fenway. Such high hopes at that point….
am i the only one who thinks that pudge might have thrown pettite’s mechanics outa whack? this is just my opinion, but the idea has crossed my mind a few times.
http://www.c2cbaseball.blogspot.com/
I’ll make fun of them. If I knew who they were.
Los Lonely Boys? If they are indeed lonely, I can take a guess as to why.
That Joba game vs. Becekett (the greatest postseason pitcher of all time, btw) was probably the emotional high point of the season. It all seemed not just possible but probable… so sad.
10-0 Lobos. Not the Aggies. The Lobos.
Like Sheriff Lobo but more than one.
http://epguides.com/MisadventuresofSheriffLobo/cast.jpg
“Al from BK( Make CC a Yankee. Explore the trade market.)
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Very true, I think that most of us Yankee fans thought this team would be a 95 win team when that trade went down. Also Joba through a gem that night up in Fenway”
yup. Trade went down Friday. As NYY was on way to defeating Boston Saturday, Buck and McCarver referred to the shift in power in the division (over Boston) and used the word “sea-change”
I want the Rays to win – but Pete’s right – if I hear James “big game” Shields again I’m gonna go crazy
James “Big Game” Shields?
Um..okay
“Nick in SF
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:30 pm
That Joba game vs. Becekett (the greatest postseason pitcher of all time, btw) was probably the emotional high point of the season. It all seemed not just possible but probable…”
definitely. Even Buck/McCarver, were convinced.
10-0 Lobos and AF just fumbled for the 3rd time. It’s still the 1st quarter. This makes me pretty happy, I’m on the Lobos along with the over.
That’s the Lobos. Now the Aggies, the Lobos.
Like Sheriff Lobo, but more than one.
Oops, as I was typing that the Lobos fumbled and AF ran it back for a TD. Oh well, good for the over. 10-7.
Nick: That was also the night we got Marte and Nady. And our 7th win in a row.
No question emotional high point of the season.
mel from Taco Bell
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:27 pm
“Is Jhonny Gomes on the roster or is just a mascot? Goon?”
I was trying to guess which might be higher, his IQ or his waist size. I’m thinking they are pretty close.
Jon Gruden with the Rays line-up
oh and John Grudden does it for me – James Big Game Shields
chucky !
go Rays
I’m rooting for the Phillies sweep because I’m not ready to here WORLD CHAMPION TAMPA BAY RAYS all next season. Also the faster this series is over the faster I get my beloved hot stove
Get it together Myers
Al: how about 3 fewer opportunies to hear Buck/McCarver do that voodoo they do so well?
Where did “Big Game” Shields come from and why? Before this year, the Rays had never played a big game. Shields post-season record is 1-2. Kinda sucky.
It’s funny, I’ve never heard anyone refer to Josh Beckett as “Big Game” Beckett (or at least say it multiple times within a few minutes) even though he is the most recent star in October. This year, Cole Hamels deserves that name way more than Shields.
“Al: how about 3 fewer opportunies to hear Buck/McCarver do that voodoo they do so well?”
Another good reason.
Why not set up the DP with one out, Charlie?