World Series Game 4: Rays at Phillies
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Oct 26, 2008 
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RAYS
Akinori Iwamura 2B
B.J. Upton CF
Carlos Pena 1B
Evan Longoria 3B
Carl Crawford LF
Dioner Navarro C
Ben Zobrist RF
Jason Bartlett SS
Andy Sonnanstine RHP
PHILLIES
Jimmy Rollins SS
Jayson Werth RF
Chase Utley 2B
Ryan Howard 1B
Pat Burrell LF
Shane Victorino CF
Pedro Feliz 3B
Carlos Ruiz C
Joe Blanton RHP
Note: The Rays dropped Cliff Floyd (sore shoulder) off the roster and added Eric Hinske.
interesting choice to add hinske. Rays win tonight
It’s not like the Devil Rays had a better choice as a left handed bat, or any other bat for that matter.
Slugfest? Hope so, we’ve had two unders and a push so far. Break out the bats!
Sonnanstine is a control pitcher who hasn’t pitched in 12 days and Joe Blanton is, well, Joe Blanton.
Many runs will be scored.
We’re overdue for a slugfest, right?
Good God, that was brutal. I’ve heard cat fights that were more on key and pleasing to the ear.
Glad to see Patti LaBelle had the opportunity to honor herself with her own version of our Anthem.
Singers with their own interpretations of our National Anthem are about as good to see as umpires with their own strikezone interpretations.
And, memo to labelle: it’s perilious FIGHT, not FLIGHT. If it was a flight, we wouldn’t be here. Nice work!
God, All they have to do is hit all the notes.
GreenBeret7
October 26th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
“Good God, that was brutal. I’ve heard cat fights that were more on key and pleasing to the ear.”
GB7, you need to say how you really feel. You hold back too much!!!!
Actually I agree with you.
I went to a SI Yankee game this year and the poor girl forgot the words.
I was hoping Mo Cheeks was there.
ray (sox fan)
October 26th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
GreenBeret7
October 26th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
“Good God, that was brutal. I’ve heard cat fights that were more on key and pleasing to the ear.â€
GB7, you need to say how you really feel. You hold back too much!!!!
Actually I agree with you.
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LMAO. Evening Ray..and how are the Mrs. all of the little (Sox Fans) doing?
LaBelle couldn’t sing 30 years ago and she hasn’t improved a bit since then.
*has the game on mute*
The only one that I’ve heard that bad was Carl Lewis….or as Charlie Steiner called him, “Francis Scott Off-Key”.
I see its a slow day in here, well its Sunday.
“The only one that I’ve heard that bad was Carl Lewis….or as Charlie Steiner called him, “Francis Scott Off-Keyâ€.”
Was that the “uh-oh” version?
“Mark in Tampa
October 26th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Glad to see Patti LaBelle had the opportunity to honor herself with her own version of our Anthem.
Singers with their own interpretations of our National Anthem are about as good to see as umpires with their own strikezone interpretations.
And, memo to labelle: it’s perilious FIGHT, not FLIGHT. If it was a flight, we wouldn’t be here. Nice work”
+ 100
Great voice Harry Kalas has.
Carl Lewis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....lewis+star
McCarver is very amused with McCarver’s insights.
Ahahahahahaha
Safe?
Right on the booty…
Worst close-up ever!
we need a congressional hearing on umpires. would hgh make them better? can we get them some?
I’d like to think I’m a somewhat mature person, but even I giggled at that close-up and the amount of time they spent on it.
Clearly I’ve watched too much baseball, but the way Sonnanstine moves around on the mound reminds me of Moose.
walking in a run. very nice
The Phillies have been Yankee-esque in this series as far as RISP go.
Phillies offense has been atrocious in this series.
did MLB direct FOX not to use Fox Tracker tonight?
they squeezed Sonanstine majorly in the first few at batsand didn’t replay one pitch
I bet they did, seeing as how last night the umps looked brutal
Steve- Umps in this series have been awful. They really shouldn’t have put out the Jr. circuit for the World Series.
It is time to madate that umpires take steroids. (Improves vision and reflexes.)
I wish one of the networks would create a 3D prism and show the ball pass through it
I have heard McCarver make that statement several times about a fielder making an error in the shift on a very easy ground ball. He “is not used to fielding a ball in that position”.
I assume that McCarver must get in a car accident every time he drives on an unfamiliar road. Or maybe Bob Gibson still drives him around.
looks like all teams that wear pinstripes must leave runners at 3rd with less than 2 outs…
mccarver’s just for men has seeped into his brain…
I feel like I am watching the Yankees
i wonder if runs per game go down in the world series. you figure you have the better pitchers in the league. you also have hitters who haven’t faced them much. as well as the added pressure of the post season. so those slugfests everyone is hoping for may be few and far between in world series play…
sa I said the same thing in the previous thread. The Phillies can’t hit with risp!! Just like our lovely Yankees!!
jennifer-yup!
Boom
Now that is how you hit with RISP
HE’S ALIVE ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE !!!!!!!!
i guess they can hit with RISP!
and after I type that Howard hits a 3 run HR.
Phillies up 5-1!
Royals exploring deal to send Teahen to Indians for outfielder
By BOB DUTTON
The Kansas City Star
PHILADELPHIA | The Royals are discussing a possible trade with the Cleveland Indians in which they would acquire an outfielder in exchange for Mark Teahen, according to sources with both teams.
Talks are believed to center on three possibilities for the Royals in the deal: Franklin Gutierrez, Ben Francisco and minor-leaguer Trevor Crowe.All three trade targets are capable of playing center field, which would permit the Royals to shift David DeJesus, as they have long desired, on a full-time basis to left field.
Why wouldn’t the Yankees be interested in Ben Francisco, power righty with 12 outfield assists who can play CF? Make a trade for him and Ryan Garko, for some of our bullpen arms that the Indians need, plus Wilson Betemit to fill their void at third.
My guess is Teixeira will not be a Yankee, nor will the Yankees be trading Cano for Kemp!
This game stinks-rotten play, bad officiating. Time to get ready to watch Entourage!
Rebecca lets see if coach Frank does the right thing this week supposively Yi is starting at PF the center will be between Josh Boone and Brook Lopez, Lopez has outplayed Boone by miles in the preseason if it’s a performance decision Lopez should start at C this coming week, if it’s a “my guy” situation he’ll go w/ Boone. Me I’d pick Lopez. How about you ?
The Yanks don’t have a third baseman to send to Cleveland and Teahen was a third baseman until KC drafted and brought up Gordon and he was moved to right field so Butler could play firt base (which he can’t).
Who was it predicting a slugfest again?
“plus Wilson Betemit to fill their void at third.”
Wilson Betemit IS a void at third!
But I wouldn’t mind seeing Francisco or Gutierrez in NY, I just don’t think they will take our trash for either one of them.
Brandon: No se bastante para decirte
Oh Ok.
Well look at this umps cursing.
“Who was it predicting a slugfest again?”
That would be me.
Did you see where SI had the Nets last in th east. C’mon….Joe Blanton
Who was it predicting a slugfest again?
Actually that would be me since rd.1 and voiced it more….well look at that Phillies SP hitting …:?
anyway yeh me.
The Doughboy delivers!
This better not be a tease. Just 2 more runs to the over!
Gutierrez isn’t any better than what NYY has in Melky Cabrera without the arm.
Did you see where SI had the Nets last in th east.
When’s the last time SI was right ?
Looks like Phils in 5. Lets get the hot stove burnin’:)
Joe Blanton was drafted by the A’s with the pick the Yankees gave them for signing Giambi. Who Knew…
Tom more credit goes to the BP coachs of the PHillies they worked on his mechanics to hide his arm angle better and abracadabra # 3 SP.
Blanton has them hypnotized with his dashing looks and debonaire demeanor.
Man if the Mets fans are watching this they got to be saying “this could have been us”.
Who wins ?
What is on Blanton’s hat? Some kind of shiny, glossy substance. Right in the middle of the brim. Touches it after each pitch. I know they checked it, but he is going there for a reason. Vaseline?
That gun is juiced no way Jackson is hitting 98 mph ..95 – 96 yes but not 98.
“Man if the Mets fans are watching this they got to be saying “this could have been us”.
If they are they would be wrong. They had no pen and or closer. You’re not getting far in the playoffs with a pen in shambles.
Man if the Mets fans are watching this they got to be saying “this could have been usâ€.
Funny. I am thinking the same thing.
Jackson is garbage.
Tonight, Blanton looks like Kenny Rogers did in ’06 against us. A garbage pitcher pulling the game of his life out of who know’s where. Let’s not bemoan the pick we gave up that became Blanton; he has never, and never will be, a good pitcher except for this night.
Maybe the ump is a little too excited on those strike calls?
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 26th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Man if the Mets fans are watching this they got to be saying “this could have been usâ€.
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Yeah…they could be down 2 games to 1 and about to be 3-1?
Mark in the NL he can be a good #3.
Did Rosenthal just say Moyer is a bed wetter ?
Sweet Jebus Ken. I really don’t care If Moyer poohed all over his bed.
Yeh I think he implied crapped his sheets, why is he telling me this ?
Uh, I wasn’t “bemoaning” anything. Blanton is what he is– a 3-5 starter.
PJH
October 26th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Jackson is garbage.
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It would have been nice to see that “garbage” pitching for the Yanks this year instead of Ponson or Rasner.
rasner can be like blanton in the NL
Um, I think he was saying that Moyer sweated through his sheets because of a fever. Not that I’m trying to pooh pooh your theories, but… just sweat.
It would have been nice to see that “garbage†pitching for the Yanks this year instead of Ponson or Rasner.
So true.
rasner can be like blanton in the NL
Your pushing it.
As long as Rasner’s with another team next year, I don’t care if he pitches like Darrell Rasner.
I think Moyer sweated. Unless he sleeps with a pillow under his butt.
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Bruney thinking that could me. Hey! That is me!
Don’t Blanton and Bruney look like long lost twins?
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
October 26th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
It would have been nice to see that “garbage†pitching for the Yanks this year instead of Ponson or Rasner.
So true.
rasner can be like blanton in the NL
Your pushing it.
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I think Jackson’s going to be a really fine pitcher in the next couple of years. Grea arm and finally learning to get it over the plate with more consistency. He’s barely 25 years old and seems likehe’s been around forever.
Green, I thought if pitchers weren’t stars by the time the were 22 they were not worth waiting around for.
Listening to this garbage makes me really, really, appreciate the YES announcers – even Michael Kay.
From the espn world series blog:
Ryan Howard added his name to a ridiculously short list of Phillies who have hit three-run home runs in a World Series game. The others:
Bake McBride, Game 1, 1980
Jim Eisenreich, Game 2, 1993
Lenny Dykstra, Game 6, 1993
Only McBride’s home run was hit in Philadelphia.
Just for comparison’s sake, the Yankees have hit 40 three-run World Series homers, plus 10 grand slams. Of course, they’ve had slightly more opportunities to hit those homers than the Phillies.
Charlie knows what he’s doing, 2 innings from Madsen at worst 3, 1 from Lidge. Hamels can end this tomorrow w/o a BP.
Green, I thought if pitchers weren’t stars by the time the were 22 they were not worth waiting around for.
That’s only if your a Yankee fan.
Can’t wait for this to be over so that the FO can get down to business getting the NYYs ready to restore the proper order in the AL East.
And oh by the way, the RS don’t believe they have any needs or problems to fix this off season.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_bos
Clare- that is a scary though!!
Brandon
Isn’t tomorrow an off day?
Tom
October 26th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Green, I thought if pitchers weren’t stars by the time the were 22 they were not worth waiting around for.
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Not by my standards….especially with an arm like Jackson’s.
That voice does not belong with that body.
I need runs…….I watched Edwin Jackson when he came up with the Dodgers….Very young, great live arm, he was rushed to the bigs…..He’s still learning the importance of control……Wish the Yanks had him……
GB7,
Pretty sure Tom was sarcastically referring to everyone who wants to give up on Phil already.
But I agree with you. Jackson will be really dangerous if he ever puts it all together. Just what the division needs – another ace for Tampa.
If Bruney was allowed to have facial hair, he would be a Joe Blanton clone.
Speaking of Bruney, Did anyone realize how lights out he was this year? He put in the hard work to lose weight and improve his attitude and it paid huge dividends.
Clare
October 26th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
GB7,
Pretty sure Tom was sarcastically referring to everyone who wants to give up on Phil already.
But I agree with you. Jackson will be really dangerous if he ever puts it all together. Just what the division needs – another ace for Tampa.
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Oh, yeah, I know he was, Clare, but, that’s the thoughts by a lot of people. I actually think that they may move Jackson over the winter, though. Not sure where, but, maybe for bullpen help and prospects.
seanet
Someone should tell Edwar to follow suit.
Charlie is managing the way he should… the season has only a few more days left. Fatigue is not an issue. Their relievers might pitch everyday for the rest of the World Series.
Lock up this game and go up 3-1 with your ace tomorrow. Don’t take any chances.
Sea Net,
The most impressive thing about Bruney this year was his refusal to get season-ending surgery and making it back to help down the stretch.
Just got in and checked the box score.
Sonanstein game up a HR to Joe Blanton? LOL is that right?
PAT M
October 26th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
I need runs…….I watched Edwin Jackson when he came up with the Dodgers….Very young, great live arm, he was rushed to the bigs…..He’s still learning the importance of control……Wish the Yanks had him……
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He would look good at the back end of the rotation right now…and what I like is the 27 GIDPs…quite a lot for a power pitcher….about the same pace as Wang has.
Rays starting to look over-matched in this series.
Does neither team care about getting this game over 9.5 runs?
‘Cos they’re not acting like they care at all.
It will be interesting to see how much affect this WS failure has on Longoria, next year. This has to be the first time he’s ever failed this much. He’ll either learn or it will ruin him.
wow Pena and Longoria are a combined 0 for 28 through four WS games.
Somewhere, Shoeless Joe is turning in his grave
this madison kid is nasty
Do you guys remember at the all star game a couple of years back Jeter got up and imitated Nomar’s batting ritual? Does anyone know where I can see a video of it?
Woooo!
8-2 Phillies!
We have an over! There is joy in Mudville.
There ya go nick.
Werth just did a Manny salute rounding 2nd
Rays have their work cut out for them against Hamels tomorrow night. That being said, if they somehow manage to get it back to Tampa, I think they have a decent chance.
Well, at least Nick can now afford to go to the golf course tomorrow.
Finally I’m going to make some dough on this damn series……GB7, Jackson would be great in Pinstripes…..He was for the taking a few years ago when the Dodgers had their FO shakeup…..
My god for a latino Victorin…HOLY CRAP !!!! HE’S AWAKE !
WooHoo!
10-2 Phillies!
Again, who said it was going to be a slugfest?
Phillies bats are now alive. Tampa Bay RIP.
Me !
Ryan Howard with his best A-Rod impression
That’s how Ryan Howard feels right now
I don’t know about golf, but now I can afford to get a tasty bowl of kimchi ramen.
So, does Tampa fold tomorrow or take it back to Tampa?
I’m guessing they fold.
Like my man porky once said “bdy, bdy, thats all folks”. Howard just put this one to bed.
Save some runs for tomorrow guys.
Win this with Cole on the mound… don’t want to go back to Tampa with Myers/Moyer
“Tom
October 26th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I like the Phillies.
I think that this game is going to be a slugfest.”
Nope. It was me. Try again Brandon.
I think Howard put the series to bed, I’ve been saying if he wakes up, Go Home.
I think you can stick a fork in Tampa. They’re done. They’ll fold and get ready for the off-season tomorrow.
Nope. It was me. Try again Brandon.
Dude I’ve been calling this since they got in
Heck nearly everyone was on the Dodger bandwagon I told them this offense is the most loose dangerous bunch I’ve seen in some time, they have fun kicking your tail ! Fine both of us called it 
PAT M
October 26th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Finally I’m going to make some dough on this damn series……GB7, Jackson would be great in Pinstripes…..He was for the taking a few years ago when the Dodgers had their FO shakeup…..
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Pa M, I have to think that NYY could have done better than Lance Carter and Dennys Baez for Jackson.
I don’t think Tampa will bounce back from this.
Who’s going for TB tomorrow? Is it Kazmir?
Kazmir is slider/fastball vs Ryan Howard (locked in on the slider and fastball) tomorrow that’s not going to be pretty.
“Nick in SF
October 28th, 2007 7:45 pm
Sad, the Red Sox are sweeping this series and there won’t even be a game 5. But I bet there will be a game 5 next year and it will be a slugfest.”
See, I was calling this game a slugfest almost an entire year ago.
Correction: ***Pat M, I have to think that NYY***
HA!
Not quite midnight in the East but it’s looking like the chariot to immortality has turned into a pumpkin for our friends the devil rays from st. petersburg. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of guys… http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....s-furious/
That was 92 mph not 94.
It was actually predicted by Nostradamus who predicted the slugfest. Here’s the exact quadrant:
Aged Bison assault the prodigy from all quadrants,
And prevail in a distant terrain of parade.
They will rain terror from the sky,
By the hand of an apprentice well-paid.
Man that guy knew everything.
That was 94 ! AND THE GAME ! AND THE SERIES !
Great job Philly
What the heck does Francesa have in the snack bowl in front of him on Mike’d Up?
And on the 8th day He created slugfests.
Great job Philly
Except for Pittsburgh
No games in the Arizona Fall League scheduled and both games in Hawai rained out.
***Hawaii***
Why is Fernando Vina the first analyst we hear?
And on the 8th day He created slugfests
“And God Said ‘let there be slugfests’ and it was good.”
Giants beat the Burgh, slugfest in the city of brotherly love, good day all around. Now all I need is next sunday to go to the Dallas game and have TO drop every pass he has thrown to him on his way to a 35-0 loss to the Giants, oh and he should cry on the post-game.
Oh I hope I see Kenny Philips drop him on one play.
Wow
Was anyone watching Francessa’s show? He showed a clip from the Seahawks/Niners game and the field reporter asked Singletary if Bill Walsh called him to congratulate him. Bill Walsh passed away last year… (and Singletary was a Bear, not a Niner).
See the Rays did prove you don’t need expirence to win it all.
Bill Walsh was a genius. If anyone can speak with head coaches from beyond the grave, it’s him.
Of course the Niners got blown out by a bad team. So maybe Walsh will wait for a win to get in touch.
Nick-
You think Holmgren takes over next year?
I don’t know, he says he wants time off and coaching the Niners isn’t exactly the dream job it used to be with no stadium deal on the horizon and crappy owners… but it’s either now or never for him, most likely, so perhaps. I don’t know if they’re smart enough to get him, though.
I’m still LOLing about Blanton’s home run. Meanwhile it looks like Eva Longoria used up all his good defensive plays in the regular season. Not to mention hitting. Bad time for him to run out of gas but I knew it would happen sometime and that he was too young to be playing good baseball this deep into the winter.
Anyway, I have been living in Philly since 2005 and watched them go from also rans to a genuine championship caliber team, so I am happy for them (as well as for the impending misery of Mets fans, haha) but I am starting to genuinely fear riots will ensue throughout the city when they wrap this one up! I am in Jersey right now and will be through game 7, but can only hope and pray that my house and my loved ones will still be in one piece when I return!
Meanwhile, great win for da G-MEN today!!! So proud of them and the future is incredibly bright!
Yeah, not sure I believe the team will move to Santa Clara. Maybe getting him to coach will keep them in SF.
over 9.5. Its about time.
Phew.
lol funny exchange on BBTN.
They were all blaming Phillips for the Kazmir trade.
Sweeney Murti on WFAN rubbing this win in on the Mets station. You can hear Philadelphia tonight, car horn honkings and bedlam. Sweeney is a Phillies fan btw so it’s great for him.
If all the Marlins young pitching comes through the Mets are at best a third place team next season.
“You can hear Philadelphia tonight, car horn honkings and bedlam.”
Yikes, already? This only magnifies my fears regarding the anarchy that will ensue when they actually do win it all. Hopefully my neighborhood will not be reduced to a pile of rubble, sheesh!
dan l, what if the Braves trade for Peavy as it is rumored they may? Something tells me it is going to get worse for the Mets long before it gets better.
BBB I just enjoy watching the Mets implode! My best friend is a huge Mets fan so I can’t help myself when the Mets crash and burn. If the Braves get Peavy it just pushed the Mets lower and lower lol.
Boomer and Carson in the morning, Joe Beningo ! GOD GIVE ME THIS !
Heh. Local news just reported a rumor that Condaleeza Rice might become the president of the 49rs.
Nick in SF
October 27th, 2008 at 1:44 am
Heh. Local news just reported a rumor that Condaleeza Rice might become the president of the 49rs.
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She could marry Jerry and she wouldn’t have to change her last name. Jerry then becomes the head coach.
One day closer to the free agent filing period which is 15 days after the World Series ends.
That’s when REAL rumors start to fly.
Gary
October 27th, 2008 at 8:19 am
One day closer to the free agent filing period which is 15 days after the World Series ends.
That’s when REAL rumors start to fly.
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That will only last about a day, because after the first trade or first signing, that’s when the whining will begin because the Yankees didn’t get that player.
Holliday is on the block. We’re only hours from the first “lets trade Edwar, IPK, Marquez, and Ransom to the Rocks for Holliday” proposal.
I love Mike Singletary
“Fredo Corleone
October 27th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Holliday is on the block. We’re only hours from the first “lets trade Edwar, IPK, Marquez, and Ransom to the Rocks for Holliday†proposal”
offer Hughes (in place of IPK) and maybe they will talk to us.
Somehow the Mets fans will spin this Phillies win into a dig against the Yankees.
Rays are weak, NL is tougher blah blah blah.
“Rays are weak, NL is tougher blah blah blah.”
Rays really have lost it. Pena and Longoria have been postively Varitekian in this series.
yes. I believe after winning the AL pennant, the Rays are just happy to be in the WS. At the same time, not taking anythin away from Philly
on a different subject:
i think the yankees made a huge mistake giving out all those huge contracts.jeter,arod,posada.
the only contract i like is mo,wang,cano.
if arod’s contract pays for itself like i hear it does that might be an exeption.
i see players putting up better numbers than damon,matsui,jeter,the list goes on and on and get payed half of what the yankees players do.
becket,10 million,schilling,13 million.
pettitte made 6 million more than becket.
the yankees have to put a stop to this now.
overbidding for sabathia is insanity,i would not sign him or tex until total team payroll allows them the flexibility to do so like the red sox.
they can take on tex.
you can build a winning team with a 180 million dollar payroll.
i’d like to see the yankees sign a few innings eaters.they have wang,joba and need to make that work.
signing cc for 25 million and 7 years and still not win it all would be devastating.
i am not saying putting scrubs on the field but get better at getting the most out nof you’re dollar in wich the yankees are by far last in the majors.
damon,matsui are not far from being bench players and make 13 million a year.
pettitte should be the 4th pitcher,joba 5,wang one or two.sign 2 reasonable pitchers or go with what we have.
trade prospects to bring in a centerfielder and or a first baseman that won’t cost what tex will.trade cano for pitching first,centerfielder,first baseman second.
it is cheaper to overpay in the draft then to overpay in free agency and the players are under controll longer and are much younger.
you get much more in return if you trade a longoria,garza,etc… than you get trading a damon,matsui if it’s even possible to trade an older player making 13 million a year.
the yankees are doing the worse possible thing,signing old players to long contracts and it is catching up to them now.
they have to turn the tides and get a whole new outfield,first baseman,catcher.
the good thing is that damon,matsui,nady,marte,jeter could all be gone soon or the yankees have the choice with them.
nady and marte should be traded to bring in players.
the yankees should of used tabata,olendorf,karsens to bring in players that are young and fixed real problems that the team has like a catcher,first baseman and centerfielder not 2 future free agents that will demand big bucks.
sign CC
sign Pettite
trade IPK for Blalock/Garko
trade Hughes in a package for Matt Holliday
sign Mark Loretta (for bench)
end of off-season
Vinny,
That would be great if we got back Blalock/Garko and Holliday….for a AAAA pitcher and a 3rd starter
Perhaps we should see if the Cardinals are interested in the following:
IPK for Pujols…that way we can get a great bat and a first baseman
end of season…lights out
Yanks 2010:
ok. I have CashMoney’s email. Let you know, what he say.
“Varitekian” is that the opposite of “Jeterian”?
bru “would not sign him (CC) or tex until total team payroll allows them the flexibility to do so like the red sox.”
Absolutely. Just tell them to wait for it, we’ll be back in a few.
The Yankees are going to have payroll flexibility. They have somewhere between 60 and 80 million to spend this offseason and Damon (13 mil.) and Matsui (13 mil.) comming off the books next year.
That’s 106(!) million bucks comming off the books in 2 seasons.
And with Austin Jackson, Joba, Hughes, and most of the bullpen arms being cheap and cost effective the Yankees do have payroll flexibility…..
Vinny-b ;
I’m in tune with much of what you say except take Ty Wigginton instead of the older Loretta.
The flaw in the plan…is that no one wants our young starters…the rockies don’t want to trade a perennial MVP candidate for a pitcher that can’t get through the AFL…
Many forget that it was the Angels that were supposed to run away with everything in the postseason.
Like any team, they have work to do over the winter.
How is it a certainty that “no one wants our young starters”? First of all, there are other “young starters” in the system besides Hughes and Kennedy. Second, I think the excessive negativity that surrounds Hughes at this point is pretty silly. Moving him in the wrong deal (for, say, a player who will be a free agent after the 2009 season like Matt Holliday)is selling him when his stock is probably at its lowest point–and it’s a stock that in the not-too-distant past was as high as “best pitching prospect in baseball”. By no means do I believe that the Rockies wouldn’t want him in a package for a soon-to-be-FA because he can’t post gaudy numbers in the AFL. Likewise, I don’t see the logic in trading him as he struggles in the AFL for someone that for all intents and purposes could under-perform in NY and then bolt after a year.
Yup Hughes was a complete and abysmal failure in the AFL.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....y=news_nyy
Oh wait. That must be some other guy.
Yanks 2010:
mentioned this trade offer yesterday:
Hughes, Veras, Ramirez, Colin Curtis. In exchange, for Holliday.
a knowledgable person on this board, said the offer was overpaying. Maybe you right. Maybe not. It have everything to do with the value the Rockies place on Hughes.
far as IPK goes. I don’t disagree.
Joey’s Poodle
October 27th, 2008 at 10:23 am
bru “would not sign him (CC) or tex until total team payroll allows them the flexibility to do so like the red sox.â€
Absolutely. Just tell them to wait for it, we’ll be back in a few.
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players in general,not them.
i just don’t like the idea of having a huge contract at every position and not even coming close to the world series.
it doesn’t work.
the yankees should of spent a lot of the money on pitching when the price of pitching was reasonable by comparison.
instead they spent it on position players.
whatever it takes to build a winning team and have a reasonable payroll i am all for.
it is very complex but i don’t think giving sabathia 25 million for 7 years is smart,if he get’s hurt it will devastate the team.
these signings never work.
you have to get a pitcher as he is becoming good and that is impossible to predict not after he has been good for years.
we have pettitte and mussina making 27-29 million total and wan’t to replace them with one pitcher like sabathia for 25 million.
maybe sabathia is the right signing,tex also.
i just wish we can lower payroll to a respectable level and not 250 million dollars.
This whole idea that Hughes is worthless is unfounded. Keith Law said as late September that He’d much rather have Hughes than Joey Votto:
Sam (San Jose, CA): Is a Hughes for Votto trade fair? Who wins?
Keith Law: No, I’d much rather have Hughes
I put more stock in what Keith Law says over some chicken little poster on this blog everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.
Congratulations to the Trenton Thunder:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=mlb
And Congratulations to Brad Lidge for winning the DHL closer award. (thank you, Philly for outvoting the ‘nation’)
The point about Hughes is mute…since Cashman didn’t execute the deal for Santana…his wagon is hitched to him…and he isn’t going to trade him for Votto, Loney, Kemp, Holliday…etc, when he could have had the best pitcher in baseball last year!
Second, I believe Hughes will still be a very good pitcher in this league…and I hope for the Yankees…but you have to admit that the luster is off the chip…and you would be selling low if you trade him now
From Sherman’s piece yestrday. Some quotes from scouts in Zona. Guess it’s always in the eyes of the beholder:
“It is not just that two of his four starts in the Arizona Fall League have been poor, including Friday night’s Rising Stars showcase game. But scouts who have watched him in the AFL say Hughes’ delivery, command and array of stuff have not been impressive.
He started the Rising Stars game and permitted four runs (one earned) in three innings, allowing two homers and walking two. One scout who has seen multiple starts in the AFL by Hughes offered this report from the Rising Stars game:
“His velocity was fine. He threw some at 93-94 (mph), but mostly he was in the low 90s, but the problem was that they were straight. He gave up two bombs and even the outs were mostly hard hit. He couldn’t command his fastball to the corners at all. Only about half his curves were good and only about one in four were in the strike zone. He is working to add that changeup (to use against lefties), threw three and all were up and out of the zone.
“I think the problem is that his elbow is too low so he is not commanding because he is not throwing downhill. His command stinks because his motion stinks. For example, his curve has good rotation and break, but I think because of that delivery it breaks early and so hitters pick it up.”
There were many reasons that Yankees GM Brian Cashman advised against making a Santana deal last season, notably having to give up prospects and award Santana a record contract. But central to his thinking was that he did not want to surrender Hughes, whom he has envisioned being a cost-effective, homegrown, top-of-the-rotation stalwart.
But Hughes has not been able to stay consistently healthy, and this season when he did pitch it was not particularly well: 0-4, 6.62 ERA in the majors; 1-0, 5.90 ERA in six Triple-A starts; and now the AFL issues.”
vinny-b
October 27th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Yanks 2010:
mentioned this trade offer yesterday:
Hughes, Veras, Ramirez, Colin Curtis. In exchange, for Holliday.
a knowledgable person on this board, said the offer was overpaying. Maybe you right. Maybe not. It have everything to do with the value the Rockies place on Hughes.
far as IPK goes. I don’t disagree.
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the yankees do not need a corner outfielder with terrible defense.
they made a huge mistake in trading for nady,marte when tabata,karsens,olendorf should of been used to fix real problems like first base,centerfield,pitching and catching.
if the yankees used them to fix just first base they could concentrate on pitching and centerfield,a much better position to be in.
worry about corner outfield spots after other needs are dealt with.
i think tabata,karsens,olendorf could of easilly gotten us mclouth not to mention the other player(s) involved in the trade.
that would of fixed centerfield for years.
yes nady allows us to let go of abraeu but the yankees need to fix problems and they didn’t come close to doing that in the tabata trade and could have.
please don’t write about the problems tabata was having,i don’t need to hear about them.
now we might need hughes and or cano to address these problems when we could of fixed them or 2 out of 3 of them without using hughes,cano or spending a ton of money to do so.
the idea is to get a good young player who is under control for a reasonable contract not 2 free agents who will walk unless they get paid big dollars.
the yankees failed miserably once again.
Tom
October 27th, 2008 at 10:53 am
This whole idea that Hughes is worthless is unfounded. Keith Law said as late September that He’d much rather have Hughes than Joey Votto:
Sam (San Jose, CA): Is a Hughes for Votto trade fair? Who wins?
Keith Law: No, I’d much rather have Hughes
I put more stock in what Keith Law says over some chicken little poster on this blog everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.
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i agree.
can we use kennedy and lower prospects to fix first base,centerfield? do we give miranda a shot at first base?
he is tearing the cover off the ball.
can we use him to get a centerfielder or first baseman?
why didn’t we use tabata,olendorf,karsens to get mclouth,kemp or a good young first baseman,centerfielder,catcher,pitcher even if we added jackson,kennedy,etc?
it easily could of been done and fixed a real problem and had us going in the right direction.
instead we are sitting here with the same holes to fix.
tabata,kennedy,olendorf,karsens for votto,kemp or mclouth or something along those lines would of been the way to go.then we concentrate on pitching and one of centerfield and first base.
just imagine if we got kemp in the trade above and signed sabathia,tex,pettitte for a total of 56 million a year.the payroll would be around 180 million and we kept cano,hughes,melancon,jackson and the other top tier prospects.
when you trade tabata and others you have to fix a major problem.in the yankees case that is cf,fb,pitching and they failed to do so and should have.huge mistake.
“tabata,kennedy,olendorf,karsens for votto,kemp or mclouth”
Those guys don’t gert you Votto, Kemp or McLouth. Only reason they got us Nady and Marte was that they were so close to free agency. Votto, Kemp and McLouth are under their teams control for several years each and would command more back.
YANKS IN 2010
October 27th, 2008 at 10:33 am
The flaw in the plan…is that no one wants our young starters…the rockies don’t want to trade a perennial MVP candidate for a pitcher that can’t get through the AFL…
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the problem is that the yankees don’t need a corner outfielder right now.
we need to trade prospects for a pitcher,centerfielder,first baseman.
the tabata trade should of been used for that.
kennedy,tabata,olendorf,maybe ajax,melancon to get a good young fb or centerfielder while keeping hughes,cano,coke,acevez.
small steps in the right direction.but now we still have the same problems.
nady and marte were not needed then and now.
i would much rather have kemp,mclouth,votto,first base or centerfield fixed for years and with a reasonable contract.
i heard the same thing from another scout that hughes elbow is too low and his mechanics were off.
the yankees need to take a look at this problem.
“i would much rather have kemp,mclouth,votto,first base or centerfield fixed for years and with a reasonable contract.’
So would everyone else. That’s why nobody is looking to move Vottos and Kemps, guys who have proven they can play at this level and are cost friendly for prospects who may or may not make it in the bigs.
Fredo…exactly
Why would you trade known, cheap, young commodity X (Votto) for unknown, injured, and inconsisten commondity Y (Hughes)?
Making trades is about leverage…Hughes isn’t giving the Yanks any right now (assuming they even wished to trade him)
i know it might take hughes with others added and i don’t know if i would do it but their has to be a trade that can be made,maybe not kennedy,tabata,karsens,olendorf for mclouth or votto but some smart trade.
the twins could have done better in the santanna trade but they didn’t.
there are bad trades all the time.maybe a player that is not big yet like Adam Jones ,Brian Anderson ,Cameron Maybin ,Chris Dickerson ,Chris Young .
the key is to get them at the right time like the rays did with garza.
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