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If these rankings are correct, Jason Giambi will not be a Class B free agent. That means the Yankees would not receive a draft pick as compensation if he signs with another team. Keep in mind the classification system is based on three seasons, not the most recent one.
First base is an interesting dilemma for the Yankees. There are many ways they could go. A few of them are:
1. Spend millions to sign Mark Teixeira to a long-term contract.
2. Bring Giambi back on a one-year deal. This seems unlikely.
3. Acquire a first baseman by trade. Joey Votto? Mike Jacobs? Carlos Delgado?
4. Move Johnny Damon there.
5. Cobble it together for a year knowing that eventually Derek Jeter will play there.
6. Try Juan Miranda as part of a platoon.
I’m sure there are other options. First base is one place where I think Brian Cashman could surprise everybody with the move he makes. This is based on nothing more than a hunch.
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NO Giambi. No Delgado. No Damon.
Yes to Tex for big Bucks.
More than a hunch, actually, since Cashman was quoted at the end of the season when discussing the team’s needs as specifically mentioning getting a real first baseman.
It’s time to say goodbye to the Giambino.
With over $80mil coming off the books, there’s no reason not to make a serious offer to Mark Texiera. If Brian Cashman can find $46mil to spend on Kei Igawa, I dont want to hear that Mark Texiera is too expensive.
I think Derek will be the left fielder or center fielder before he’s the 1B.
Mike Jacobs is a butcher, and Delgado isn’t good either.
Who are you giving up for Votto?
Miranda hammers RH pitching but who are you platooning him with?
The best option to me would be Teix. A seven year deal at 23 per year should do it. He’d only be 35 when his contract ends. Sounds like a win to me.
Votto would be one of the best trades of all time, but I doubt the Reds feel the need to trade a player they are building around….
Jeter at 1B is not something I’d be happy with. Moving an aging SS to 1B works if that ex-SS has the power of an Ernie Banks or (in the future) possibly A-Rod. But 1B is traditionally a power position, and a declining SS who goes .282-7-60 at age 37 isn’t something I’d want at 1B. If that happens, then the power normally associated at 1B (say, at least 20 HR and 90 RBI?) has to be found elsewhere, and at a positon (SS?) that you usually don’t get it from.
How do they compile these rankings?
I vote for option 3, but no Delgado and no Jacobs (he’s got power but a .300 OBP? Yikes) I like Votto but why would he be available?
Instead I would go for someone like Konerko, maybe Overbay. The former is probably better than the latter, problem is since the Pale Hose seem to sweat Damon so bad, how do we get Konerko w/o surrendering our leadoff hitter? Adrian Gonzalez is an absolute stud and I covet him big time but I’m sure the price in talent would be astronomical.
i thought it was the last 2 seasons that were evaluated?
Oh, or even better…we were talking about this yesterday on here and someone suggested Ryan Garko. Just looked up his splits and he has very good numbers vs LHP (albeit in a limited sample size) but has still held his own against righties too. Especially if we also have Juan Miranda on the team who could get a couple of those starts against RHP, this is the exact kind of creative, viable solution to which I hope Cashman looks.
Anyone know if Garko has a good glove though? I think it’s important that we not have a butcher out there anymore.
The best option is Teixeira by a mile. That’s not hard to decide. He only costs money.
The next best option would be Votto, but he would require a boatload of prospects. Kennedy plus Cabrera and another scrap-heap player won’t get that done.
Other than that, none of the other options would make the team any better. Jacobs hits 30 home runs, but he has a horrid .299 OBP and is a terrible defender. Pass.
I’ve heard Ryan Garko’s name thrown around. He stinks.
Miranda would only work on a platoon.
Once again, the safest free-agent bet is Tex.
I hate this Jeter as a future 1b talk almost as much as I hate the Jorge can be a 1b talk.
This team needs to finally stop putting square pegs into round holes and build a team that works somewhat fluidly together.
1b is a premiere power position and the type of players who can normally play there outhit Jeter, Posada and Damon every day of the week.
I hope we sign Tex and if we don’t, I wonder if Cash goes in deep for a Adrian Gonzales or even someone like Derek Lee who Cubs fans seem to want traded.
All I care about is the construction of this team shows some thought and doesn’t cow tow to veterans who are declining and try to make them play a position where we can have a truly productive offensive player.
I wouldn’t touch Konerko though. He screams ex-PED user a bit to me and he seems to be going through the breaking down phase of his career. Same thing with Hafner.
I don’t think the Blue Jays would ever trade Overbay to the Yankees.
I keep thinking the new Yankee 1B or CFer is going to be someone no one has even mentioned yet. The return of Stealth Cashman.
23 million a year for Tex? That would be nuts.
Especially in this economic environment.
If he gets an offer of 7 years at 18 million per, and doesn’t jump on it, he will regret it.
I don’t see him topping the 20 million mark.
Perhaps Boras can get it out of Angelos or Moreno.
I don’t see him getting it out of the Yankees.
Carlos Dalgado?
helllll no.
Blalock or Garko.
I’d suggest that Cano move over to first. Slick glove. Nice hands. But he seems to have a tendency to let his mind wander at second. Keep him at first and he’ll be more focused in the field.
was anyone else surprised to see Raul Ibanez so high up on that list? the guy was 36 and if you look at his #’s, the last 3 years are pretty much the best of his career…
Teixeira is obviously the prime target. Unless Miranda goes in a deal, he’ll get some long looks in spring training.
The Yankess shelled out some decent money to get him from Cuba and may want to see what his value is.
There could be 3-4 other options of others not named Giambi, Damon, or Jeter.
Why in the world would the Yanks ever want Mike Jacobs? He has a career obp of .318 and strikes out 3 times as often as he walks? Even worse, he made 11 errors last year and his career fielding % is only .990
Joey Votto is another matter, but the Yanks would have to pay dearly in prospects to get him.
Mark Texiera, at age 29, is the answer. Defensively, he makes the entire infield better. Offensively, he’s your #3 hitter in the lineup. He makes perfect sense.
You made a mistake Pete. The rankings are based on the last TWO seasons, not three.
The Yankees are all about tradition,. so I hope Cashman embraces recent tradition and fills the 1B position with various minor leaguers, released utility players and aging outfield sluggers.
“I’d suggest that Cano move over to first. Slick glove. Nice hands. But he seems to have a tendency to let his mind wander at second. Keep him at first and he’ll be more focused in the field.”
Thank you, we need some levity in this situation.
If the Yankees really believe that Jeter will end up at first (which Pete implied), then why would they even consider Tex? Just move Damon there in 2009 and Jeter in 2010. Get Holliday for LF, move Nady to RF, and look for an athletic CFer.
But first and foremost, get some starting pitching.
If the Yanks dont bring back Abreu, they may be putting themselves in a position where they have to overpay Texiera. Otherwise, there will be a hole so big in their lineup that they may not even be competitive next year. Who would bat 3rd? Matsui? Posada? Cano?
“If Brian Cashman can find $46mil to spend on Kei Igawa, I dont want to hear that Mark Texiera is too expensive.”
Very true. If sunglasses and Pavano each got 50 mil then Tex and CC deserve their 9 figures.
“First base is one place where I think Brian Cashman could surprise everybody with the move he makes.”
hopefully its a good surprise lol
“If the Yankees really believe that Jeter will end up at first (which Pete implied), then why would they even consider Tex? Just move Damon there in 2009 and Jeter in 2010. Get Holliday for LF, move Nady to RF, and look for an athletic CFer.
But first and foremost, get some starting pitching.”
Resigning Jete after 2010 just for sentiment would be a terrible decision a 36 year old Derek Jeter should not be playing a power position. He barely hits 10 HR’s nowadays imagine 3 years from now if he is resigned for 2010 then it needs to be as a leader and a part time player he will not be able to produce enough to be worth playing 150 games at first when there are guys who can drive in 100 runs available. This situation could get Bernie ugly because Jete will still feel entitled to be a full time player but his bat and skills will say otherwise.
This is totally off topic but I just saw that Joe Jurevicius is out for the rest of the season because of staph infection.
The Cleveland Brown better do something quick this is now the 6th team player to get a staph infection Kellen Winslow was the last before this.
You die from this thing and it seems odd that so many players from the same team have gotten it although it is highly spreadable but still
rconn23: Why does Garko stink? I admittedly haven’t seen him play THAT much and I hate to judge a player solely on stats, but his are really not bad at all, at least not his offensive ones. Certainly worlds better than a guy like Jacobs and it seems like his price would be more reasonable than someone like Votto, or even Konerko where we’d be largely paying for his name and past accomplishments.
“a 36 year old Derek Jeter should not be playing a power position”
I agree. I was questioning the assumption that the Yankees want to move him to 1B in 2010.
I don’t see what would be so nuts about paying Teix 23 mil a year if that’s what it took.
Are the Yankees going to be lowering ticket prices due to the economic conditions in this country? No. So why shouldn’t they pay to put the best product they possibly can on the field?
Somebody is going to give Teix 20+ mil a year, might as well be the Yankees.
I’ll believe owners will practice fiscal responsibility when I see it.
Teix might not get 23 mil a year but he’ll get at least 20.
I’ll play 1b for cheap
Al from BK( World series over tonight! Fit CC for pinstripes>),
Great point, that is the future Yankee dilemma with Jeter. I can’t, and don’t want to, see them force Jeter to finish his career with another team, but his offensive game would be detriment at a power position like first or DH. And, if he is too old to play short, how can he play CF? Could get real ugly, and we have the capability of a similar situation with Posada!
I Like CharlesSDutton idea….
Move Cano their Pick up Orlando Hudson to play 2B.
I prefer Picking up Teixera, trading Cano in a package for Peavy.
Signing Furcal or Hudson to play 2B.
I concur No to Delgado or Giambi, we need some speed/youth NOT AGE!!!!
I think you move Jeter to CF (or even LF) before you move him to 1B. I can see A-Rod at 1B; not Jeter.
Garko hits like Andy Philips vs RHP. Mashes lefties though.
Maybe a Miranda/Garko platoon?
“I prefer Picking up Teixera, trading Cano in a package for Peavy.”
I think you missed the memo. Peavy does not want to pitch in the AL or in NY.
“You die from this thing and it seems odd that so many players from the same team have gotten it although it is highly spreadable but still”
Gayle,
I think somebody must have stolen the Browns’ “Employees Must Wash Hands Before Returning to Work” sign from their bathroom.
“I keep thinking the new Yankee 1B or CFer is going to be someone no one has even mentioned yet. The return of Stealth Cashman”
I agree. I think last year when A-Rod had opted out, Cash was looking forward to finding that type of out-of-thin-air, creative solution for 3b. He didn’t get the chance then and I’d bet he wants to make up for it now.
“Garko hits like Andy Philips vs RHP. Mashes lefties though.
Maybe a Miranda/Garko platoon?”
Please no, not another platoon! Seriously I thought Cash said he wanted a “real” first baseman not a platoon.
Jeter would be a disaster at first base. He has no experience at a misunderstood position where it as assumed anybody can play, and Jeter has no power and is on the decline. Moves like this are preventing the team from going back to being winners. I even heard the stupid idea that the Ynks wouldn’t go after Fielder because they are holding first open for Jeter in 2-3 years. Simply idiotic. Spend the money. They have it, and another bad season will further erode the value of the team and the YES network.
“Please no, not another platoon! Seriously I thought Cash said he wanted a “real†first baseman not a platoon.”
No to the platoon, but we need a backup to play 1B and it sure as heck better not be Betemit. Bring back Minky!!!! A-Rod misses his friend. Plus, the guy can pick it and really wants to be a Yankee.
Give Matsui a shot at 1B. But the Yankees won’t even consider this for some reason. Could it be because it makes too much sense? It alleviates the DH/LF logjam. Gives them a good hitter. He should be fine defensively.
No way Jeter will ever move to 1B. His bat would be a massive liability. CF, maybe. Sure, he’s not a good SS but he’s passable. Leave him be.
Maybe they could bring back Andy Phillips.
He had a hot bat, and was one of the nicest guys in the league.
“They have it, and another bad season will further erode the value of the team and the YES network.”
I agree with the “No Jeter at 1B” sentiment. However, I think that the above statement is a stretch. It will be a long while before the Stein boys have to worry about the value of their investment. Besides, as long as the Yankees have devoted fans like us on their side, they will always be the richest franchise on the planet.
Personally I think Jeter plays SS for 2-3 more years, gets his 3000+ hits and then retires…. he’ll go out on his terms once he feels his skills do not allow him to be the starting Yankee SS.
“Give Matsui a shot at 1B. ”
On the face of it, this sounds like a good idea. Godzilla wouldn’t put too much strain on those knees playing 1B. However, he’s not a naturally trained 1B. I really, really want a REAL 1B for us. Sign Tex and get Minky to spell him if he gets injured or needs rest. It solves all of our 1B problems.
Make Jesus Montero/Austin Romine/Jorge Posada/Dellin Betances/Andrew Brackman/Derek Jeter the 1st baseman!!!!!!!
“Personally I think Jeter plays SS for 2-3 more years, gets his 3000+ hits and then retires…. he’ll go out on his terms once he feels his skills do not allow him to be the starting Yankee SS.”
I don’t know about that. Jeter really loves playing the game. I think they are going to have to take him kicking and screaming off the field when the time comes.
The grim reality of the economy is reaching baseball and sports in general.
Houston announced that they will freeze or hold the line on prices and concessions with fans and other teams will soon follow suit.
With the revenue streams the Yankees have, they’ll be among the last to consider any changes but with a close eye on the state of the economy.
After the Yankees either sign or do not sign any of the top tier free agents, they may be in a position to deal with mid level teams looking to shed payroll rather than chance any hikes in fan costs.
The winter meetings will be the indicator. Some teams may look like they got fleeced in deals when in actuality they wanted payroll reduction.
Try Juan Miranda as part of a platoon!
i agree, and sign casey blake as a backup 1b/infeild/outfeild
What about Adam Dunn at 1B? Why does nobody mention this possibility?
I wouldn’t want him for more than 4 years or so.
““Personally I think Jeter plays SS for 2-3 more years, gets his 3000+ hits and then retires…. he’ll go out on his terms once he feels his skills do not allow him to be the starting Yankee SS.—
I agree I think Jete will only play until he cannot play shortstop anymore and honestly I think he could do another 3-4 years there. His defense is mediocre but not horrible also he won a gold glove a year ago so I think he still has a few good years there. Jete doesn’t strike me as a guy who wants to play into his 40’s I’d say if he gets another ring or 2 in the next few years he would retire on top.
With Jesus Montero as a possible 1st baseman of the future in 3 years waiting in the minors, why do we need another 7 year “albatross” contract. Teixeira is “all about show me the money” and a super long contract will limit our flexibility. We need two quality free agent pitchers first, or we won’t even duplicate last years 89 wins, even if Posada and Matsui are healthy the entire year.
Sure, and signing Sabathia, Burnett, Lowe, and Sheets would solve all of our rotation problems.
It’s easy to say to sign Tex. Nobody’s saying that he’s not the best option. But it’s the obvious solution, and the one that involves spending over a hundred million dollars of someone else’s money.
I don’t think simply saying “sign Tex” is a real valid solution, without more context (for example, “we can add $45M of payroll – where do you spend it?).
Of course we are Yankee fans, and money doesn’t matter…
I agree that a 1b platoon is not the solution, but Garko’s numbers are not THAT bad against RHP, he hits .271 against them, that isn’t awful. His .339 OBP vs righties is not great, but some other potential options like Konerko or Overbay don’t get on base any more than that vs righties OR lefties. Also, in 2006 and 2007 he did perform decently vs RHP, he just fared very poorly in 2008 which brings down his overall splits vs them.
I’m not saying he’s beastly against right handed pitching, but it looks like he can hit it well enough to get about 70-75% of the starts at 1b. The other 25% can go to Miranda, who we do want to be a part of the team anyway, right? I know I do. And then we’d have Ransom as a utility infielder (no more Bet pls) to bring in late for defense if needed, in the games that Juan starts.
CC and Tex should be a very good offseason if that’s all the Yanks could acquire. Another starter is needed, but that could be done with a trade. Market needs to filter out before the Yanks can gauge anything with starters. Mussina? Pettitte? questions that need to be answered. I would give Abreu a 2-year deal and have him hit in front of Tex with Arod down to 5th!!
Just saw on ESPN’s bottom line during PTI that Mike Mussina is likely to announce his decision next week. I hope he comes back but I think he’ll decide to go out on his high note.
Jeter needs to move to 2nd base. This would extend his career. His range for ss is poor, but for 2nd base it would be more than suffieicnt. Plus, his bat would also be adequate for 2nd base.
Cano can be either traded for pitching or moved to 3rd base eventually with ARod going to first.
Yanks would then have to find a slick fielding ss.
you should probably change that to “Giambi MAY Not Net Draft Pick” considering its based on speculation.
Bart, Dunn crossed my mind too. He’d certainly accord A-Rod dynamite protection in the lineup, FAR more so than ANY other potential target. And the runs he created on offense would probably dwarf the runs he cost on defense.
But in the end, Cash has been so adamant about wanting a 1st baseman to play 1st base that I’m almost sure he will not go that way, so I don’t even bother mentioning it. It’s almost a shame because A-Rod and Dunn as the 4-5 in the lineup really is the stuff that dreams are made of.
“It’s almost a shame because A-Rod and Dunn as the 4-5 in the lineup really is the stuff that dreams are made of.”
I’m not sold on Dunn. He whiffs too much. If we are looking for a whiffer, I’d rather get Howard than Dunn. I don’t see PHI parting with Howard anytime soon.
“It’s almost a shame because A-Rod and Dunn as the 4-5 in the lineup really is the stuff that dreams are made of.”
Actually, scratch that 4-5 idea. Considering how mind-bogglingly often Dunn walks, the 3-4 is more like it.
3. Dunn and his OBP
4. A-Rod and his odd numbered year dominance
5. Matsui and his situational hitting
My heart beats a little faster just thinking about what a sick heart of the order this would be!
Options at first.
Mienkhskjdfhsitz
Phelps
Phillips
E.Duncan
Cairo
S.Duncan
Miranda
K.Maas
D.Mattingly
23 mil Tex
or
trade
Find that trade Cash!! No more 7 year deals.
Other than the fact that Dunn strikes out more often, what exactly is the difference between Dunn and Giambi?
and there you have the dilemna.
If we do sign Tex to a long-term deal…what do you do with the Captain in 3 year’s time?
SJ44
October 29th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
23 million a year for Tex? That would be nuts.
Especially in this economic environment.
If he gets an offer of 7 years at 18 million per, and doesn’t jump on it, he will regret it.
I don’t see him topping the 20 million mark.
Perhaps Boras can get it out of Angelos or Moreno.
I don’t see him getting it out of the Yankees.
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i agree.platoon miranda with someone else,a righty and spend on pitching.
if something happens where we can get a decent first baseman by giving up lower level guys,do it.
keep trying our minor league guys until something works.as long as our pitching is solid.
i am sick of every position player getting 20 million dollars.
miranda might work.
Jeter’s First Game At First Base Post Game Interview:
Kim Jones: So how does playing 1st feel?
Jeter: I wasn’t playing 1st.
Jones: Come on Derek we all know you don’t like giving straight answers but you have to admit, you were playing 1st base tonight!
Jeter: Did you see me playing 1st? I was playing near 1st base at certain times during the game.
Jones: But Derek, we have it on tape!
Jeter: Was I the only guy near 1st base? There were runners, coaches, umpires…. maybe they were playing 1st. Gotta go.
Jones: That was Derek Jeter ladies and gentlemen.
Yes, lets give up a chance to sign a real 1B to accommodate a catcher in A-Ball. Real smart decision.
i would offer tex 5 years 19 million a year max as a one time final offer.if he rejects it tell him they will not offer it again.
BBB-
Dunn-never hurt, 40+ homers/year, 100 walks/year, challenges Ryan Howard for most strikeouts/year. If he could play 1st, which he can’t, he’d be an excellent pickup as a DH. But don’t we have Matsui, Damon, Posada as DH’s?
No to Adam Dunn. He is a DH in the AL and sure he’d hit 50 HR’s in the stadium but he’d strike out 4 times per HR. Also he won’t come cheap he is expecting Tex money and someone will give it to him, if I’m paying through the nose for a bat it might as well be a gold glove bat.
Dunn has no passion like JP Riccardi said.
Stay away from him.
or 6 yrs/18 mill a year and finally 7 yrs/17 million a year
Jeter has pride and would be the first to know when he’s reached the point of being unable to handle his position to the fullest.
Good players know how to cheat with their positioning in the field and he’s at that stage now.
Raul Ibanez on a one year deal.
“i would offer tex 5 years 19 million a year max as a one time final offer.if he rejects it tell him they will not offer it again.”
At which point Boras would hang up and laugh his butt off. Then turn to Boston and see what there offer was.
Laura: I like Dunn better than Howard because Dunn gets on base way more (.386 OBP to Howard’s .339) and that difference is even more pronounced considering the protection Howard has in his lineup as opposed to what Dunn has usually had. i.e. When Dunn was traded to Arizona and became a part of their even decent lineup, his OBP went up to .417. It’s a small sample size but I think he’d get on base constantly as a Yankee, Howard much less so.
Also, Dunn only costs money, whereas any deal for Howard would start with Hughes.
Everyone talks about the state of the economy being a deciding factor for how contracts will be looked at for this season. A larger factor will be who gets elected. With the tax structure facing a large change so the wealth can be spread around as well as the congress not extending the tax breaks that are in place, taxes will rise (even with the talked about “cuts”). That will impact things far more than the current economy.
This election will drive things more than the unsteady stock market.
Has there ever been a player who transitioned from shortstop to first base in his 30s?
Jeter is not going to be the guy who bucks that trend.
Jeremy, Ernie Banks
Carlos Pena sounds exactly like Omar Minaya
Ernie Banks did it, I believe he actually played more games at first than short.
Why are Jeter, Damon, Matsui, and Posada going to first. I had always thought that Mariano would be a perfect fit there when he can’t pitch anymore. Makes about as much sense as putting these other guys out to pasture at first.
Bronx Jeers
that was preetyy funny
Bronx Jeers
that was preetyy funny
Mark in Tampa
October 29th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Al from BK( World series over tonight! Fit CC for pinstripes>),
Great point, that is the future Yankee dilemma with Jeter. I can’t, and don’t want to, see them force Jeter to finish his career with another team, but his offensive game would be detriment at a power position like first or DH. And, if he is too old to play short, how can he play CF? Could get real ugly, and we have the capability of a similar situation with Posada!
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stop feeling sorry for the jeters,posadas and others.they are multi millionaires 100 times over and never have to worry about doing anything remotely resembling manual labor for the rest of their lives.
the yankees have to do what is best for them.
with jeter a lot less money and years or bye bye,that simple.
every single one of these players would leave in seconds for the money.
jeter isn’t worth what he is making now.
It would be great to trade Damon and Matsui for prospects and/bullpen help. Getting rid of 2 guys in their mid 30’s would help the salary cap as well as the youth of the team. Then sign CC, Tex and another pitcher without having to worry about the salary. Then you could put together a package for Holliday. The line-up would look like this.
1.Gardner(CF)
2.Jeter(SS)
3.Tex(1B)
4.A-Rod(3B)
5.Holliday(LF)
6.Posada(DH)
7.Nady(RF)
8.Cano(2B)
9.Molina(C)
“Other than the fact that Dunn strikes out more often, what exactly is the difference between Dunn and Giambi?”
Almost a decade, plus a DL stint or two per year.
Also,
2008 with RISP:
Giambi .692 OPS
Dunn .929 OPS
RISP & 2 out:
Giambi .707 OPS
Dunn 1.091 OPS
For $13 I’ll be a Macadamia Nut
October 29th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Everyone talks about the state of the economy being a deciding factor for how contracts will be looked at for this season. A larger factor will be who gets elected. With the tax structure facing a large change so the wealth can be spread around as well as the congress not extending the tax breaks that are in place, taxes will rise (even with the talked about “cutsâ€). That will impact things far more than the current economy.
This election will drive things more than the unsteady stock market.
I have to disagree with you. We are in a recession, which means spending habits are changing, unless you’re in the super rich bracket. This will affect ticket sales, especially for teams already with poor attendance.
The Canadian dollar is down which might affect Toronto’s ability to give out a large contract. Raising taxes will not take place anytime soon to affect this years free agent signings. In fact since there are only about 20 good free agents out of about 200 free agents, I suspect a lot of ballplayers to be lucky to get a minor league offer.
A healthy Nick Johnson (I know that’s a stretch) would be a fine cheap addition. No way Jeter plays anywhere but SS.
bru,
I’m not feeling sorry for them, I am pointing out the dilemma. It is a fact that Posada will be in NY for 3 more years, and he may not be able to catch at all. Maybe he comes to ST, is his same old self, and is a productive catcher for 3 years. Hopefully. If he can’t throw, that is a huge problem for the team, not just for Posada.
Dunn?
um, no thank you.
i thought we were trying to get athletic?
Al-
Wishful thinking! Damon and Matsui have NTC’s. Matsui is untradeable until proven healthy. Rockies are looking for a bundle for Holliday. Both Teixeira and Holliday are Boras clients and Yankees would need to sign Holliday to an extension, probably for the kind of money and length of contract that Teixeira gets.
Whats our starting pitching?
Wang
Joba
Aceves
?
?-Hughes probably traded in the Holliday deal, because I doubt you got back much for Matsui and Damon.
btw, this should almost go without saying but I wouldn’t want to sign Dunn to some big crazy megadeal. If he is getting that kind of interest from other teams then we should in fact forget it. But I don’t think he will get that kind of interest, Cincy could barely give him away at the deadline till ARI got involved, for some reason teams preferred guys like Ibanez who is also a butcher in the field.
Also, Dunn would have to play 1b. I know everyone and their mothers will say we need to get more athletic. That may be true, but how can you turn down someone who will giveth more than he will taketh away? As long as we have a defensive replacement to put at 1st in the 9th in close games, I think Dunn helps more than he hurts.
Damon at 1st is a no-go… anyone remember when they played him there in the late innings to a game? the man barely let balls get away.
NOT HAPPENING! SIGN TEX!
Mark in Tampa
October 29th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
bru,
I’m not feeling sorry for them, I am pointing out the dilemma. It is a fact that Posada will be in NY for 3 more years, and he may not be able to catch at all. Maybe he comes to ST, is his same old self, and is a productive catcher for 3 years. Hopefully. If he can’t throw, that is a huge problem for the team, not just for Posada.
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this is why these long term huge contracts are bad.people only see the numbers tex is putting up now not in a few years.
they all end up bad.
tex is not the answer.
move cano there,jeter to second,sign a ss,try to trade lower prospects for a decent centerfielder and get some pitching.
this will keep payroll reasonable.
For those of you who want Tex…what is your backup plan?
It’s so easy to say…let’s go get Tex…how bout something orginal…
Garko/Miranda seems the most plausible to me
Yankee Trader, the current tax cuts are set to expire, teams will not only look at the current year for what the cost will be, but also look at projected costs over the term of the contract. The recession will play a role, but tax structure projections will play a larger role.
The stock market has been up and down with the polls. Tax increases that are being proposed help drive that significantly. It affects long term plans tremendously as the owners will not want to go under for the sake of their contracts. Tax increase will also lengthen the recession (if this is indeed a recession – duration at this point is too short to be called that).
Teixiera will cost only money…plenty of it. The Yankees have “plenty of it” and need a Teixiera-type in their locker room. By his actions, and in keeping with his choice of Boros as his agent, he has made it clear that he is a “follow the money” kind of guy.
OC was a nice vacation for 2 months or so but not a great place for an East Coast guy to park his family for the better past of the year for the bulk of the remainder of his career. Baltimore, his hometown area with a great hitter’s park, would be better, but it is doubtful that he would care to suffer losing teams.
So it’s “NY,NY” IF the Yankees want him. “Want him” simplymeans a willingness to outpay the competition. Plain and simple, he will, or should I say, “should” be here.
Reacher
October 29th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Teixiera will cost only money…plenty of it. The Yankees have “plenty of it†and need a Teixiera-type in their locker room. By his actions, and in keeping with his choice of Boros as his agent, he has made it clear that he is a “follow the money†kind of guy.
OC was a nice vacation for 2 months or so but not a great place for an East Coast guy to park his family for the better past of the year for the bulk of the remainder of his career. Baltimore, his hometown area with a great hitter’s park, would be better, but it is doubtful that he would care to suffer losing teams.
So it’s “NY,NY†IF the Yankees want him. “Want him†simplymeans a willingness to outpay the competition. Plain and simple, he will, or should I say, “should†be here.
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tex would be great and the easiest fix but to overpay in years and dollars would be foolish.
if he will do 5 yrs/100 million i would do it.
Garko, at best, is a journeyman. Adds nothing except the perpetuation of mediocrity.
Tax rates don’t expire till 2010. Our economy will afect this years signings and attendance. Layoffs are occuring by the thousands daily. No more talk of taxes affecting this years free agent signings, unless you’re talking about the Premium 40% above 162 million, the Yankees will have to pay. Teixeira won’t cost them 20M/year, it’ll be 28M/year!!
Luckily with the cost of the new stadium, they save a bundle in revenue sharing.
Garko, at best, is a journeyman. Adds nothing except the perpetuation of mediocrity.
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Tex>Garko, in the event that Tex doesnn’t sign= Garko
The Garko/Miranda platoon is plan B…and better than any suggestion you have come up with
Sometimes even the Yankees don’t always get what they want…that’s life
If we are mediocre because of it…then what you gonna do
SHELLY DUNCAN@!!!!!!!!!!!
Bru, I really don’t see any teams responding positively to Boros’ opening salvo of 10 years; that was for starters and a typical Boros opening gambit. It will end up closer to 5 than 10. Moreno won’t come close, and if the Red Sox are in the game, they are less prone (based on recent deals) to stretch. The Mets? Omar is not particularly sharp when it comes to dealmaking and if he dumps Delgado, he might be fooolish enough to get his clock cleaned. Baltimore?..highly unlikely. My best guess is 5 -7, and if 7, that takes him to 35 – 36, certainly in the ballpark.
Sign Joe Crede and teach him how to play 1B.
“Garko, at best, is a journeyman. Adds nothing except the perpetuation of mediocrity.”
LOL hahahas. Garko, a journeyman? hahahas. yeah, he went through a long journey of being promoted to the major leagues while in the tribe’s farm system. Do your research first before saying something that isn’t true.
Ernie Banks, being one of the two greatest power-hitting shorstops ever (along with ARod) is the exception that proves the rule. Banks and Jeter are not similar players.
Banks transitioned to first base at 31. Before that he routinely hit 40+ home runs as a shortstop.
Jeter is 34. He has never hit over 24 home runs. Now he he’s lucky to hit 15. He hits well for a shortstop, but nothing like a first baseman.
Tex gets 6 years 132 million. 22 million per and the Yankees have 1B solved for the next 6 years. People always say that Tex will be just like Giambi at the end of his deal however Giambi was never an exceptional fielder even when he was young Tex will be the same in 5-6 years trust me.
bru,
Agreed.
Also, I think we all realize that Tex is certainly the best option for the next 3 years or so. But what then? 4-7 years of declining production and a contract that cannot be moved. We JUST got through with that. Are we willing to do it again? And Giambi was a much better hitter at the time of his signing. Yes, steroid-fueled, but still a better hitter. An MVP who was coming off of consecutive .333 and .342 years with massive power. Now we want to back up the Brinks truck for Giambi-lite?
If no Tex, I would feel out Texas for Chris Davis in exchange for some pitching prospects; Nolan R is calling the shots and has bemoaned the absence of pitching. The Rangers have hitting, and it looks like they will re-sign Blaylock for first. Davis is not a 3B, so if the deal is good, Davis “might” be expendable. If not, and nothing else is in play, I would definitely give Miranda an extended
opportunity…he looked good in September. Contrary to what Cashman has stated (he never backtracks, doe he?) Damon could do a credible job at first. There are options. Absent a “top draw” such as Tex, the Yankees have viable options other than a statue at the bag.
Jeremy,
You just asked if anybody has done it. Banks is your answer. I, too, think Jeter at first would be a disaster.
I might be wrong and someone correct me if I am, but didn’t Texeira turn down a 160-180 million dollar contract extension from Texas and that was the impetus for trading him to ATL?
If that’s the case, I can’t imagine him settling for less now.
why would they platoon someone with miranda, why not keep miranda in the minors so that way he can play everyday and gain more experience?
it doesnt make sense and i dont think they are planning to rush another minor leager into the big leagues.
Mark, I did not think you or Tom was advocating Jeter at first. I give you more credit than that. Thanks for mentioning Banks, as I enjoyed looking over his very unusual career stats.
why would they platoon someone with miranda, why not keep miranda in the minors so that way he can play everyday and gain more experience?
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Because he is really good against lefties…and terrible against righties..thats why
“Because he is really good against lefties…and terrible against righties..thats why”
Other way around. He hits RHP really well. Against LHP, not so much
Ed,
In my opinion, Garko, based on what he has accomplished in his 2 plus years with Cleveland, is a “journeyman”. I am well aware of his stats, and for a first baseman, I consider such to be representative of a “journeyman”. You may not, but I do. I would expect more from a requisite power position. He is also not a “kid”, being less a year Tex’s junior.
g love i don’t think he turned that much down.i heard something.i think it was 5 yrs/100 million or 4 yrs/80 million
http://www.dallasnews.com/shar.....962c5.html
my bad i guess he did turn down an 8 yr 140 million
so much for getting tex
Hughes/Ajax/Melancon for A. Gonzalez
Damon
Jeter
A-Gonz
A-Rod
Nady
Cano
Posada
Matsui
Gardner/Cabrera
CC
Wang
Lowe
Pettite
Joba
Good news is Pudge is an ‘A’.
“Hughes/Ajax/Melancon for A. Gonzalez”
You can’t be serious. How would this be a better move than throwing a ton of cash at Teixeria?
He’s younger, he’s cheaper, and he’s not looking for the payout (now at least)
Also, working under the assumption that he signs elsewhere…
And I find these rankings hard to believe. On what planet is Sean Casey rated higher than Jason Giambi? If they are in fact accurate then Elias has some serious flaws in their system.
Gonzalez is only 2 years younger, he’s not as good as Teixeira, and I think giving Tex a huge payout will prove to be a better deal in the long run than trading away 3 promising young players. Especially with Hughes and Jackson playing premium positions.
Yankees could have the best 3-4-5 lineup in baseball. 3-Manny 4-A-Rod, 5-Tex
I don’t know anyone can justify paying A-rod 27 million, CC 25 million, Jeter 20 million, and Tex 20 million
In what world is that fair…managing a baseball team should involve more than just throwing money at the best players in the sport
Any team constructed like that…will rot from the inside
The numbers on that blog post are not etched in stone.
Elias has never shared there system with the public. These are projections.
Jeter needs 465 hits to reach 3000 – while he has never overtly been a “stat” guy – somehow I think this milestone will be one that he will want to achieve. Realistically, he will need 3 seasons – taking you through 2011. So I predict that he will sign a one or two year contract that is incentive laden (but not on the scale of ARod) once his current contract expires to allow him reach the milestone as a Yankee. If he has aspirations beyond three seasons either he becomes an outfielder (left or center) – he has the arm and the type of speed to play the outfield – it is a different type of speed and agility required to play short, or he signs with another club to play short.
Jeter’s bat won’t play as a corner outfielder.
It’s pretty simple: try like hell to sign Teixeira. outbid everyone if necessary. this guy fills a huge need going forward for the Yanks for a number of years.
I’m sure the Steinbrothers are happy so many of you are concerned about the payroll. It’s a weird situation when there’s a FA that will cost less in 2009 than the departing lummox, is eight years younger, a better hitter and infinitely better fielder and there’s a debate about the merits… amazing!
Don’t read too much into what Tex (or CC) allegedly turned down. Neither guy was playing for a team that consistently wins and while Tex was offered a deal that was maybe alittle above market, CC’s was clearly below.
As for Jeter, he has to know he’s getting near the end at SS. That will not be an easy situation to handle. One option might be to offer him a 2-year extension while moving him to LF (the most sensible spot). Then trade Damon to the Chisox for Thornton and sign Furcal. Ta-Da!!!
I think Dunn would hit a ridiculous number of HR in the stadium, but I don’t know where you can put him. Can’t DH unless Matsui is moved. Matsui has a full no-trade while Damon’s is partial. I would only want Abreu back as a DH and occasional RF andno more than 2 years. I can see him with theMEts or Cubs rather easily.
Let the wheeling and dealing begin!
For the life of me I canot understand why people do not want the guy on the FA market capable of puting up the best power numbers. Erveryone wanted Giambi so bad when he was a FA – granted Giambi used to hit for high average, but if you put Dunn in front of AROD he will see steady diet of fastballs and that .400 OBP will come in aweful handy for Rodriguez
for my money, I would want to trade Damon or Matsui and for the price of Tex minus one of their salaries you could have holliday and dunn – doesnt that make for a deeper and better line-up.
the old yankees beat tams because they had deep yankees – no easy outs 1-9 or 1-8. Last year after number 5 in the lineup they were easy to pitch to. Deep line-ups score runs and more importantly win in the playoffs. If you rely on 2 or 3 guys and they slump you lose.
dunn and holliday make for a very good lineup and dunn could very well hit 50 homeruns hitting in front of AROD.
Get Joe Pepitone to play right, Tony Kubek to left and Bill Skowron for 1st. Problem solved……
Dunn? Please. He will be no better than Richie Sexson as he aims for that short RF porch at YS. The AL East pitching will chew him up and spit him out and the shift will keep his average barely above the Mendoza line. His OBP will become more mundane as the SO add up along with the boos. I’d rather trade for Blalock then deal with Dunn or overpay Tex for a non-critical defensive position.
Votto may be available since the Reds drafted Yonder Alonso the 1B out of Miami. If they think he can play, then they may trade Votto, but I don’t see how Alonso is ready at the start of 2009.
I thought teams received supplemental draft picks for type B players, or am I wrong?
Why not…
Trade Robinson Cano, Ian Kennedy and Ajax to the White Sox for Paul Konerko(2 years left on his deal), Jermaine Dye(.290, 35+ HR’s and 100 RBIs every year while playing a good RF) and Clayton Richard (the kid who pitched 6&2/3rd great innings against us).
Sign Orlando Hudson to a 2-3 year deal to play 2nd, sign one of CC/AJ Burnett/or Ben Sheets and finish it off by trading Johnny Damon for another pitcher, and signing Milton Bradley/Adam Dunn to DH.
That way, when Jeter’s D is too bad at SS, you can switch him to 2B when Hudson leaves.
1. Hudson – 2B
2. Jeter – SS
3. A- Rod – 3B
4. Dye – LF
5. Bradley/Dunn – DH
6. Konerko – 1B
7. Posada – C
8. Matsui – LF
9. Gardner – CF
1. Sheets/Sabathia/Burnett
2. Wang
3. Joba
4. Hughes
5. Mussina or Aceves/Richard
Here is my perfect offseason plan:
First I trade matsui Kennedy and a humberto sanchez type prospect for ichiro. We eat most of matsui’s contract (8-10 million of the 13 owed). Seattle gets almost as big of a japanese draw as ichiro in matsui and that’s huge for them. They also shed ichiros contract and they can really start rebuilding.
Second I trade Damon to the white sox for prospects. Your not gonna get much in return because of the 13 million owed Damon but you get that off your payroll and Damon is still a solid l
player and the white sox have always coveted him.
Third, sign 2 out of 3 of cc, tex and Burnett. This is the reason everyone hates Yankee fans but let’s face it, this is reality. The Yankees have some major holes at the top of their rotation and first base and there just happens to be free agents that fit their needs. Ideally cc and tex sign but if its cc and Burnett I can live with a Miranda platoon along with everything else they have done.
Fourth, I would trade for matt holliday with a Hughes centered package and lock him up with a deal. A hughes, mcallister and maybe gardner or melky would certaintly be enticing for one year of holliday.
So now here is what you have done: added ichiro to the top of your lineup and in cf for about 4 million more than Damon (saved 3 million on matsui’s deal plus damons 13), you have cc at the top of your rotation for about 24 million and tex at first for about 20. Then matt holliday anchoring right or left for about 15? Million this year plus extension. So you spend about 70 million and with 80 plus coming off you cut payroll.
Now there are some downsides. Some people will say they dont want to take the all star at every position approach but this is different because holliday tex and cc are all under 30. Now you have a 1-5 of ichiro, jeter, tex, arod and holliday along with a 123 punch of cc, Wang and joba. Obviously a lot of this is unrealistic but that is one scary team for a long time to come.
Tex is the best choice available,but no more than 5 years.
Miranda is a good backup plan. He’s a selective hitter with power and excellent defensively. Might pay to give a homegrown Yankee a chance.
For an out of RF “surprise” that Cashman might trade for:
KC just traded for Mike Jacobs to play 1B. They have an up and coming, near major league ready 1B in Kila Ka’aihue. Not a “name” yet, but will be.
SoCalYankeeFan
Yanks will be getting Ryan Howard to play first base, watch and see what is about to unfold. Get used to ARod Batting 3rd.
I would sign Tex or go with this option that hasn’t been mentioned:
Sign Casey Blake. He can play first regularly and be used as a great utility man if Posada needs to play first some days.
What about moving Arod there? and grabbing a 3b who can hit a little with a nice glove? Beltre??
im tired of everyone hoping that we sign texeira..we dont need him for those big bucks we would have to give out! we have good young first basemen in the minors…we should sign a good defensive first basemen, sign Manny and CC then we’ll be well on our way to number 27
just sign texiera……he is not a gamble…..he is bette then giambi was whe they siged him……..they need a real #3 hitter in the lineup and texiera is the guy…..he is also a switch hitter…..imagine his number batting in from of a-rod……..he is also a gold glove 1st baseman
A no-brainer – sign Mark Teixeira. He’s young, he’s a switch hitter, he’s an accomplished first baseman. What is there to think about!?!?!?!?!?
So he wants alot of money….give it to him for 6 years.
Who the heck wants to see recycled players adjust to playing first base such as Jeter, Posada or Damon. Keep them where they are and spend some of that money and get an accomplished first baseman, switch hitter and YOUNG! Which equals Mark Teixeira!!!!
there is no point in siging texiera. if they want jeter to play first in the future then they need to keep it open. there are plenty of people on the roster that could fill the first base void until jeter takes it over. as for the pitching, i think its time to bite the bullet and spend the big bucks for pitchers. CC and Burnett are deffinetly players we could buy. if we can get both then consider trading Hughes AND Kennedy. if they can only get one then trade away kennedy in an effort to get someone to possibly play shortstop after jeter goes to first or throw in cano and get a more reliable/consistant second baseman .
I dont know why, but i just dont like the idea of Derek Jeter at firstbase in the future. He’s not that type of player. Firstbase is stereo-typed as a position for a big power hitting guy with limited range in the infield. Yes Jeter is losing his range at shortstop, but with a chance to sign a 20-something year old firstbaseman who hits for average and for power,why wouldnt you? Sign Tex. Now as far as pitching goes, signing Sabathia should be the main goal. With him on the roster, the rotation could potentially look like this ( in no particular order) Sabathia, Wang, Chamberlain, Hughes, possibly Pettite but Moose likely will retire. Hughes will eventually turn out to be a front of the line starter in my opinion. All he needs to do is be consistent instead of pitching shutouts one day and getting rocked the next. And who knows maybe Kennedy can get his act together. I think with young guys actually competing for spots next year they will perform better knowing that one slip up and they’ll be sent down rather than basically guranteing 2 young guys rotation spots.
Comments? Agree? Disagree? What do you think?
I’ll take door #3.
i do agree with not putting jeter at first, BUT if they do plan on putting him there then why waste the money on a first baseman. As far as hughes goes its a toss up. if they can get something worth while then do it. if not just grin and bare all the injuries and inconsitincy that will follow
Votto? What a knob, no way do the reds ever trade him until he’s worth 10+ million. Why even suggest that
Move A-Rod to 1b
Move Jeter to 3b
Go get Reyes or Hanley Ramirez….now theres an idea…
To me this is an easy one for the Yankess. AROD has won an MVP award as a SS and A 3B. I say move him to first NOW and let him win an MVP as a 1B as well. How Many players have won an MVP award at 3 different positions? I don’t know that answer but would guess NONE. Then Sign Holliday for left field and CC Sabathia. Jeter to CF in a year or two. Id still like to see them trade Hughes and kennedy cabrera and Jackson for Hanley Ramirez and Olsen and move Jeter now. Oh and Id get crede to replace AROD at 3b.
Jeter in CF is not a good idea. Way too much area to cover plus needs a better arm. I love him but eventually his options are 3b, 1b or DH
The combination of wanting to christen the new Stadium with Pennant #40 and reap WS-related revenues, and with record revenues in hand, here’s hoping for the following 2009 starting lineup and roster: Damon 7/1/8; Jeter 6; Rodriguez 5; Texeira 3; Doumit 9/2/3; Matsui 1/7; Posada 2/1; Hudson 4; Gardner 8; SP Sabathia-Chamberlain-Mussina-Wang-Pettite; RP Rivera-Bruney-Marte-Veras-Ramirez-Coke-Giese; Bench Molina2; Ransom3-9; Betemit3-5; Duncan3,9,7,1…40% home-grown…assumes 3 from among Nady, Cano, Miranda, Cabrera, Christian, Britton, Albaladejo, Wright, Horne for Doumit + 1 AA)
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