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Hot Stove Mailbag No. 5

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Oct 31, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

mailbox.jpgJon writes: When I read your blog post about the Yankees organizational meetings, one name mentioned caught my eye – Tino Martinez. I read that he is serving as a Special Assistant to the General Manager. So I wondered if his role was more of a sentimental one or if he was trying to get more involved in player development perhaps leading to a minor league or major league coaching job? Is he a likely candidate for Joe Girardi’s staff?

Answer: There is little room for sentiment with the Yankees, Jon. Tino has a legit job and he’s somebody that Brian Cashman listens to. Tino does not seem interested in a coaching role, as that would require a lot of travel and being away from his family. But as times goes on, it would not surprise me to see him have more influence.

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David writes: In 2008, the Yanks allowed 50 fewer runs than they did in 2007. All that is given the absolute failure of 40 percent of their Opening Day rotation, and injuries that took away almost a full season collectively from Joba and Wang. Meanwhile, offensive production decreased by 189 runs. I realize that getting a starting pitcher is important, but how is Mark Teixiera not the No. 1 priority, especially with the (highly likely) loss of Giambi and Abreu? Do they ever want to get on base again?

Answer: You raise a good point, David. But 2007 was an unusually productive season. You can’t hold the Yankees to that standard. Run prevention is as important as run production and the Yankees clearly can’t go into the season with a rotation of Wang, Joba, Pettitte and assorted suspects. Offensively, the Yankees believe that Robinson Cano will bounce back and that a full season of Jorge Posada will make a difference. Hideki Matsui being healthy should help as well. It’s also not unreasonable to think they’ll add a bat somewhere along the way.

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Danny from Brooklyn writes: Is there any concern within the Yankees organization about the fact that CC Sabathia has thrown over 500 innings the past two seasons including the playoffs? I don’t know enough about pitchers arms to know whether or not I should be nervous or not.

Answer: You should be worried. Counting the postseason, Sabathia has thrown 513 innings the last two seasons. That said, he’s only 28 and has no history of health concerns. He’s a lefty, he’s available and he’s very, very talented. Those plusses outweigh the minus of a heavy recent workload.

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Chad writes: We all know the free agents who might be available, but what are some viable trades we may see the Yankees make prior to the season starting?

Answer: Too early to say, Chad. Teams usually try and get a feel for the free agent market before they start to pursue trades. Once the GM Meetings get underway next week, we should have a better idea of what teams could make deals. The Yankees have so much money coming off the books they could fill their needs with free agents and may not need to make a trade,

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Bob writes: What are the chances of Yu Darvish posting this winter and will the Yanks be interested?

Answer: The Nippon Ham Fighters appear likely to hold on to Darvish for at least another year. He’s only 22 and is their biggest star. The Yankees will certainly be interested once he is posted. But it’s probably going to be a another few years.

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Steve writes: Any idea for a Yankees-related Halloween costume?

Answer: Blue blazer, pack of smokes, phone pressed to your ear … Hank Steinbrenner! Crewcut, protein shake, sunglasses and a jersey … Joe Girardi! You just can’t have any candy. … Carl Pavano would be fun. Wear a Yankees jersey, put one arm in a sling and carry a steering wheel in your other hand.

Best I can do on short notice.

 
 

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128 Responses to “Hot Stove Mailbag No. 5”

  1. Doreen October 31st, 2008 at 7:12 am

    For short notice, some pretty good costume ideas, there, Pete! Each of them scary in their own way.

    Happy Halloween, all.

  2. saucy October 31st, 2008 at 7:44 am

    “Carl Pavano would be fun. Wear a Yankees jersey, put one arm in a sling and carry a steering wheel in your other hand”

    Ice pack strapped to butt and a sack with dollar signs on it…

  3. Jim October 31st, 2008 at 7:53 am

    It seems many people worry about CC’s innings pitched, yet at the same time they would all love to have Roy Halladay. Yet he has only pitched 23 less innings in the regular season over the last two years than CC. CC added 18 innings over two post seasons, so that’s 41 total innings, big deal. He’s also over three years younger than Halladay.

  4. John in Ohio October 31st, 2008 at 8:09 am

    Just catching up this morning…

    16 years after the Yankees traded him for Jim Abbott, Russ Springer is still in the majors??

  5. VIGGY October 31st, 2008 at 8:27 am

    Did anybodt check out these numbers on Jesus Montero
    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=524968

  6. VIGGY October 31st, 2008 at 8:30 am

    The kid is just 19 years old

  7. YANKS IN 2010 October 31st, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Viggy…

    We are quite aware…and cautiously optimisitic

  8. Yankees 4ever October 31st, 2008 at 8:39 am

    I know that Gene Michael recently went to Japan to scout some players. Do you think that Darvish was one of them and also do you think he is still a viable and often listened to presence in the organization? Mike (I know everything and am an expert about the Yankees and could run them better than God) Francesca says that “Stick” just wanders around the office.

  9. ray (sox fan) October 31st, 2008 at 8:55 am

    Sorry guys, no use in the Yankees even attempting to compete next season. My Sox have already said they are bringing back Wakefield for next year!!!

    (I am trying really, really hard to write this with a straight face) :)

  10. Trevor October 31st, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Montero had a better year then Cano.

  11. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Ray:

    So long as he NEVER makes a postseason appearance and RARELY faces an AL East team, he still has a little value. If I’m the Red Sox, having him for short money as a #6 starter/long relief guy makes some sense. He’s getting old and has tanked late in the season lately. 7.50+ ERA in September over ’07-’08. Probably a worse number in October.

  12. GreenBeret7 October 31st, 2008 at 9:08 am

    ray (sox fan)
    October 31st, 2008 at 8:55 am
    Sorry guys, no use in the Yankees even attempting to compete next season. My Sox have already said they are bringing back Wakefield for next year!!!

    (I am trying really, really hard to write this with a straight face)

    _____________________________________________________

    Are they bringing him back for an old timer’s game? This must be the first time anybody signed a contract to play in one of those games.

  13. Hugh Stacks October 31st, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Here is my ideal offseason plan:
    First I trade matsui Kennedy and a humberto sanchez type prospect for ichiro. We eat most of matsui’s contract (8-10 million of the 13 owed). Seattle gets almost as big of a japanese draw as ichiro in matsui and that’s huge for them. They also shed ichiros contract and they can really start rebuilding.

    Second I trade Damon to the white sox for prospects. Your not gonna get much in return because of the 13 million owed Damon but you get that off your payroll and Damon is still a solid player and the white sox have always coveted him.

    Third, sign 2 out of 3 of cc, tex and Burnett. This is the reason everyone hates Yankee fans but let’s face it, this is reality. The Yankees have some major holes at the top of their rotation and first base and there just happens to be free agents that fit their needs. Ideally cc and tex sign but if its cc and Burnett I can live with a Miranda platoon along with everything else they have done.

    Fourth, I would trade for matt holliday with a Hughes centered package and lock him up with a deal. A hughes, mcallister and maybe gardner or melky would certaintly be enticing for one year of holliday.

    So now here is what you have done: added ichiro to the top of your lineup and in cf for about 4 million more than Damon (saved 3 million on matsui’s deal plus damons 13), you have cc at the top of your rotation for about 24 million and tex at first for about 20. Then matt holliday anchoring right or left for about 15? Million this year plus extension. So you spend about 70 million and with 80 plus coming off you cut payroll.

    Now there are some downsides. Some people will say they dont want to take the all star at every position approach but this is different because holliday tex and cc are all under 30. Now you have a 1-5 of ichiro, jeter, tex, arod and holliday along with a 123 punch of cc, Wang and joba. Obviously a lot of this is unrealistic but that is one scary team for a long time to come.

  14. miggs October 31st, 2008 at 9:19 am

    Hey Hugh, you think maybe you could trade a few more prospects? I don’t think your plan depleted the farm system enough. Please get back to me when you’re ready to completely reverse all the work the developmental department has done these last 3 years.

    Can’t you give away Jesus Montero and Melancon in a deal? How about Brackman and Betances?

    Can we sign some more high priced free agents? Why not Sheets AND Burnett? Now you’re talking.

  15. JohnC October 31st, 2008 at 9:24 am

    Trade Damon and Matusi for prospects and sign Manny.

  16. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Stacks:

    A few thoughts?

    1) Ichiro’s contract, which pays $17M thru 2012, seems precisely the type Cashman wants to steer clear of. He doesn’t want to pay a guy $17M per at age 37 and 38. Matsui, at $13M and off the books after this season better serves them in terms of payroll/roster flexibility.

    2) White Sox are not a prospect rich team. If the Yanks were to shop Damon to the White Sox, the first five words from Kenny Williams’ mouth would likely be “Sure, you take Paul Konerko”.

    3) CC would be great. I think it’ll happen because the Yankees will blow other offers away and the MLBPA will have none of him leaving big money on the table. I can take or leave the other two.

    4) Holliday, as a Boras guy, will almost certainly go to free agency and I seriously doubt $15M will be near enough.

  17. miggs October 31st, 2008 at 9:32 am

    Hey Hugh, here’s some more things completely wrong with your plan….

    Why are we eating 8-10 million of Matsui’s contract AND giving them 2 prospects to take on Ichiro’s albatross of a contract? If anything, the Mariners would be eating some of Ichiro’s contract in that deal since Matsui is only signed through next year and Ichiro has a 5 year deal. But yeah, let’s pay some of Matsui’s contract. Brilliant!

    Then you want to trade Damon for “some prospects”, but apparently we can’t get much for him because he only hit .310 last year and stole some bases and played a pretty solid left field. Oh yeah, his contract is such a burden… one year/ 13 million. You sure you don’t want to eat some of that contract also? Ok. Well thought out.

    Then you want to sign 2 of 3 out of CC, Tex, and Burnett but it doesn’t matter which two as long as they are signed to nice long bloated fat contracts right? To go along with Ichiro’s ridiculous deal. Oh wait. Then you want to trade Hughes, Mccallister, AND someone else for Holliday. Let’s add another huge extension onto his deal plus ignore his crappy home/away splits. I’m sure as soon as he puts on the pinstripes all that will be behind him.

    Just so many things wrong with your plan I could go on all day.

  18. Kevin October 31st, 2008 at 9:34 am

    For Halloween, you could go the Josh Beckett route, wear a “stupid turtleneck” with no trophy and be George Steinbrenner.

  19. Kevin October 31st, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Oh, and for the offseason? Offer Bobby arbitration, hope he goes to a top-15 team, bank the first and supplemental picks. Shop Cano to the Dodgers, see what kind of kooky deal Torre and Bowa can talk Colletti into giving up. Sign Grudzelanik as a cheap fill-in at second. DO NOT sign big-ticker FA until the new core is ready. FA should supplement a home-grown base, not replace it.

  20. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 9:41 am

    “4) Holliday, as a Boras guy, will almost certainly go to free agency and I seriously doubt $15M will be near enough.”

    while i agree you cant normally argue against history, Holliday himself said that those who assume he’ll definitely opt for the open market are mistaken… that he’d be willing to talk extention because all he wants is fair market value and long term security (in the ballpark of what Miguel Cabrera got from the Tigers, which is around 8 years/$150 million).

    I also think itd be intriguing to see the Yankees sell high on Damon coming off of last year, and see what they could get. I wouldnt expect an earth shattering package, but if you could rid youself of the cash, get back a couple of decent prospects in return, and open up the position for a Matt Holliday-type via trade, it might be in the team’s best interest.

  21. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 9:45 am

    “Oh, and for the offseason? Offer Bobby arbitration, hope he goes to a top-15 team,”

    Hope is right. Realistically though, he probably lands with either the Mets or Cubs. At Abreu’s age, it’s most likely going to be a team that is a player or two away from being a legit contender. Teams like the Nats, Pirates, Mariners’ etc. aren’t going to be looking at that type of player most likely.

    Grudz as a backup guy is sort of interesting, but I don’t know that he can play anything beyond 2nd. Not ideal for a utility guy.

  22. Bronx Jeers October 31st, 2008 at 9:48 am

    “My Sox have already said they are bringing back Wakefield for next year!!!”

    If this is true then our off-season is definitely starting off on the right foot. Resigning Veritek would be next on my wish list!

  23. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Turn Two:

    Which is why I used the words ALMOST CERTAINLY. One thing that’s true for sure is that $15M won’t get it done. It’ll take at least 20% more than that per year.

  24. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 9:49 am

    “Hope is right. Realistically though, he probably lands with either the Mets or Cubs.”

    i thought that the DBacks might be a decent fit for him, too. they seem to need a solid veteran bat for a young lineup, and Phoenix is the new Florida for retiring seniors.

  25. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 9:50 am

    “Which is why I used the words ALMOST CERTAINLY. One thing that’s true for sure is that $15M won’t get it done. It’ll take at least 20% more than that per year.”

    yeah… i kind of figure if you offered Holliday something in the ballpark of $18 million for 6 years and a blanket no trade after bringing him in, he’ll sign.

  26. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 9:57 am

    “i thought that the DBacks might be a decent fit for him, too. they seem to need a solid veteran bat for a young lineup, and Phoenix is the new Florida for retiring seniors”

    Yeah, they do. I would think with Upton and Young locked in, they’d have to move Byrnes contract to do something like that. Also wonder whether they’d look to hold on to Dunn.

  27. RJPinstripes October 31st, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Although CC is larger (but similar) why couldn’t he be a David Wells in longevity as a healthy lefty? Wells pitched forever and never had arm/shoulder problems. He did have back issues, but pitched well into his 40′s.

  28. raymagnetic October 31st, 2008 at 10:11 am

    TurnTwo,

    You don’t really believe that Boras will not go for the top dollar amount when it comes to Holliday do you?

    Holliday will have multiple suitors and there’s no way Boras doesn’t try to get as much money as possible for his client, which means free agency is a definite.

  29. YANKS IN 2010 October 31st, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Hugh…I like the trade for Ichiro part of your plan…it solves a lot of issues down the road…but I wouldn’t give up any high end prospects to do it, the money we are taking off the mariners hands is enough

    Issues it helps to resolve:
    who is our CF this year? who is our leadoff hitter next year? where are we getting more outfielders if Damon and Nady leave next year?

  30. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 10:13 am

    RJ:

    Nobody says he can’t be. However, Wells is the exception rather than the rule.

  31. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 10:20 am

    “You don’t really believe that Boras will not go for the top dollar amount when it comes to Holliday do you?”

    to me, Holliday seems like a man who sounded pretty sincere.

    does that mean that he wont go to the open market if he doesnt get a fair-value deal offered? no.

    but to me, yeah, he seems like a guy who would sign an extention before hitting FA if he got a fair offer and he was happy where he was headed.

    now, dont get me wrong… he’s not taking $120 million over ten years just because there is a no trade clause included… but fair market value, which will be a pretty penny, yeah, i do think he’d be amenable to it.

  32. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 10:22 am

    “I like the trade for Ichiro part of your plan…it solves a lot of issues down the road…but I wouldn’t give up any high end prospects to do it, the money we are taking off the mariners hands is enough”

    in theory, i also have no problem trading for Ichiro, and even taking on the contract… but i certainly wouldnt give them a major package if I’m taking all that money.

  33. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" October 31st, 2008 at 10:40 am

    “Trade Damon and Matusi for prospects and sign Manny.”

    We went over this. No.

  34. miggs October 31st, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Well I’m glad you guys aren’t the GM. Yeah let’s add Ichiro. Just another overpaid big name on the downside of his career. And let’s make that even better by giving up legit prospects for him. Genius!

    This is exactly the type of deal the Yankees need to avoid.

  35. Braintrust October 31st, 2008 at 10:42 am

    How about a Giambi Jersey, Fake Moustache, and one of those big phony doctor’s syringes!

  36. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 10:43 am

    “We went over this. No.”

    well, no, not everyone did.

    i wouldnt have a problem with that idea, but i wouldnt stick Manny out in LF. If he came to NY, it should be for DH purposes only.

  37. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 10:46 am

    “Well I’m glad you guys aren’t the GM.”

    ah, the good ol’ “im glad you arent the GM” line… anyone want to take bets on how many more times we’ll see that one over the next 4 months?

  38. Doreen October 31st, 2008 at 10:48 am

    If Manny comes to NY, you know what will happen, don’t you? He’ll inexplicably start being unable to hit pitchers he’s never faced before and lefties. He’ll also start to hit a lot of pop ups and ground into a ginormous amount of DPs. :lol: (j/k)

    I don’t want Manny for so many reasons. BUT if they get him, and IF he hits like Manny can hit, and if it means they win some 6-10 more games because of it, I’ll cheer for Manny like nobody’s business. I won’t be happy about it, but I’ll be doing it.

  39. Braintrust October 31st, 2008 at 10:49 am

    The Yanks # 1 priority is a top of the rotation starter. Signing Sabathia gives the Yanks a one two punch with Wang. You have Chamberlain as the # 3, and can trade for a number 4, or sign a Lowe or Garland type. In the 5 spot you can bring Pettitte in, or have Hughes & company compete. I think first base is a bigger hole than center field for the team. Even if Gardner can’t hit, he can play defense, and would be in the nine hole anyway. You can take a chance, if the rest of the lineup is locked down. They need a first baseman who can defend, and hit 25+ homeruns, while driving in 90+ runs.

  40. aron October 31st, 2008 at 10:56 am

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ru.....mlb,118820

  41. aron October 31st, 2008 at 10:58 am

    It’s not known what the Bronx Bomber, 33, and the Material Mom, 50 – who insist they are just friends – did during their stay at Seinfeld’s 12-acre spread
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10.....136098.htm

  42. aron October 31st, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Not long after the Philadelphia Philles won 2008 World Series, BetOnline.com delcared the Boston Red Sox are the favorites to win the 2009 fall classic

  43. mel October 31st, 2008 at 11:01 am

    a stewing Mike D’Antoni was caught on MSG Network cameras Wednesday in a tirade, mouthing: ‘You’ve got to be (bleeping) kidding me. You’ve got to be (bleeping) kidding me. What a bunch of (bleep) holes.’ ….

    What’s D’antoni upset about? Officiating? Nope. He was exasperated with the “We want Steph” chants during Wednesday’s game. The rest of the article’s in the Post.

  44. saucY October 31st, 2008 at 11:01 am
  45. saucY October 31st, 2008 at 11:02 am

    best jack-o-lanter ever!

  46. saucY October 31st, 2008 at 11:03 am

    http://img134.imageshack.us/im.....id2nz3.jpg

  47. Braintrust October 31st, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Sounds like Arod had the Whirley Bird Special! Ba-Da Boom!

  48. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" October 31st, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Damn Madonna must be that good in bed. :?

  49. mel October 31st, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Braintrust & Brandon,

    You’re crossing the very fine line of decency there. :gag:

  50. Braintrust October 31st, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Yeah, Madonna knows how to swing the bat.

  51. aron October 31st, 2008 at 11:09 am

    do you think it was madonna arod and Seinfeld ??

  52. RhapsodyInBlue October 31st, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Colorado Rockies Trade Buzz: Willy Taveras to NY Yankees for Ian Kennedy
    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....an-kennedy

    Rumors are swirling that a trade may be in the works to help shore up the starting rotation for the Colorado Rockies. The Rockies are reportedly in talks with the New York Yankees to swap center fielder Willy Taveras for starting pitcher Ian Kennedy.

    The Rockies have made it well known that they are in the market for a starting pitcher this winter. Most pundits have assumed that they would be dangling All Star outfielder Matt Holliday or slugging third baseman Garrett Atkins.

    In Colorado, Taveras has become expendable to make room for top prospect Dexter Fowler, another speedster who also hits for average and power. Even if the Rockies choose to let Fowler gain some experience in Triple-A Colorado Springs, they still have Ryan Spilborghs and Seth Smith to man center field.

    In New York, the Yankees are looking for an upgrade in center after Melky Cabrera turned in a disappointing ’08 season. Taveras’ numbers (.251 BA, .308 OBP) nearly mirror Cabrera’s (.249 BA, .301 OBP), except in the stolen-base department, where Taveras set a Rockies record with 67 stolen bags.

    Both players have an extreme upside. Scouts have said that Taveras, who is one year removed from hitting .320, is still learning how to read pitchers and steal bases. George Frazier, the Rockies’ TV analyst, believes that Taveras could steal 100 bases in a season sometime in his career. He is entering his second year of arbitration and could only improve at the plate hitting in front of Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez.

    Kennedy is still young, he was a first-round pick in 2006, and he may have not been given enough time to mature into the major-league player that he has the potential to be.

    In Colorado, he would be able to mature in a much more relaxed environment than that of New York City where the media constantly makes demands, and the Steinbrenner’s are ready to pull the trigger at the first sign of struggle

    A trade to Colorado would also reunite Kennedy with high-school teammate and close friend Ian Stewart.

    With Taveras in pinstripes, the Yankees would have a new mix of speed at the top of the lineup that would have the potential to force pitchers to think about speed on the bases, as well as power in the box—a mixture the Rays used to win the 2008 A.L. pennant.

    The trade may fit both clubs’ needs by providing a young arm in the Rockies’ rotation that will not hit the free-agent market for several years, and it’ll help the Yankees get a few more runners in scoring position for the middle of the lineup.

  53. Braintrust October 31st, 2008 at 11:11 am

    I don’t think Seinfeld’s into that, remember that episode with the threesome?

  54. vin October 31st, 2008 at 11:13 am

    “What’s D’antoni upset about? Officiating? Nope. He was exasperated with the “We want Steph” chants during Wednesday’s game. The rest of the article’s in the Post.”

    I don’t blame him… fans who want “Star”bury in th game are the same one’s who miss Zeke Thomas.

    Our boys in purple and gold are looking good, eh Mel? Love Odom off the bench. He’s Phil’s new Toni Kukoc.

  55. mel October 31st, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Ooh. Rich Eisen just dropped a Madonna-playing-Dodger- Stadium-Manny-catching-a-helicopter-ride-to-Seinfeld’s-place remark on Dan Patrick.

    If A-rod was involved with Katie Curic or other Mother Theresa type, would it be a story?

  56. DPF October 31st, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Why do I have this image of Jerry chasing Madonna down the street yelling “give me that marble rye you old bag….

    DPF

  57. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) October 31st, 2008 at 11:17 am

    “a stewing Mike D’Antoni was caught on MSG Network cameras Wednesday in a tirade, mouthing: ‘You’ve got to be (bleeping) kidding me. You’ve got to be (bleeping) kidding me. What a bunch of (bleep) holes.’ ….

    What’s D’antoni upset about? Officiating? Nope. He was exasperated with the “We want Steph” chants during Wednesday’s game. The rest of the article’s in the Post.”

    If Pringles would have gotten Steph released and kept Ewing this would have never been an issue. Obviously the people at the garden were (bleep) holes the team was up 20 and they were calling for Steph.

  58. mel October 31st, 2008 at 11:17 am

    vin,

    Trying not to get too excited because they were the Blazers & Clips.

    But, yes, they look incredibly deep and I’m loving Farmar’s game.

    When we play New York, it’ll be fun times, huh? Just like facing the Suns of old. Now they’re just old.

  59. mel October 31st, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Now they’re just old. (Suns)

  60. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) October 31st, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Taveras has great speed but he never gets on base. Might as well keep Gardner in CF.

  61. Laura - Ready for '09 October 31st, 2008 at 11:24 am

    “If A-rod was involved with Katie Curic or other Mother Theresa type, would it be a story?”

    Unfortunately, everything A-Rod does is a “story”. The guy can’t catch a break. If he’s involved with Madonna, so what? From everything that I’ve read, both of their marriages were in the toilet for several months. Why stay with someone if you are not happy? I happen to think that Madonna is a bit too old for Alex, but if she’s what he wants, more power to him. Hey, a happy A-Rod is a good thing. If he’s happy in his personal life, he’ll be happy at the plate. I’m expecting no less than 50 jacks from him this upcoming season.

  62. mel October 31st, 2008 at 11:24 am

    An interesting primer. Check out the line about the Yankees maybe getting 2 pitchers for the price of one Sabathia. :)

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/mlb/c.....id=3671778

  63. vin October 31st, 2008 at 11:24 am

    I know Mel… the suns have lost whatever uniqueness they had – now they’re just a middle of the pack team. The Knicks are like the Suns of old… except without… you know… talent. Which pains me because I am a Knicks fan…

    (I grew up in NY, but my dad who grew up in Brooklyn kept his love for the Dodgers, and became a fan of the Lakers while he was at it, which rubbed off on me – odd combo, I know)

  64. Patrick October 31st, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Ian Kennedy for Willy Taveras? No way..

    Willy Taveras is really overrated IMO. He’s basically Brett Gardner but with no plate discipline.

  65. vin October 31st, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Is Detroit’s letting go of Renteria a pre-cursor to them making a move on K-Rod?

  66. YANKS IN 2010 October 31st, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Kennedy was overrated too

  67. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) October 31st, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Kukjian is just speculating anyone who watches baseball knows that CC is better than Lowe and Burnett put together. This team needs an Ace not a pair of mid 30′s guys.

  68. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 11:33 am

    i see a Taveras for IPK swap similar to the idea behind a Hughes for Peavy swap.

    Peavy is what most people hope Hughes can become, but is already proven.

    same with Taveras. he’s the type of player most hope Brett Gardner can become: hit .280-.290, get one base around .330-.340 and steal 50-60+ bases, and play an adequate CF… but Taveras has already done it for a couple seasons.

    i think its a fairly realistic equal value trade. not sure that he’s the best CF option on the market; only time will tell that… but not an awful place to start.

  69. vin October 31st, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Kennedy for Tavarez:

    I like the fact that Willy has shown he can be a .280-.290 hitter with great speed… but does anyone know what kind of CF he plays? I’m tired of only watching other teams’ outfielders make the tough plays.

    I don’t like the concept of selling low on IPK.

  70. mel October 31st, 2008 at 11:34 am

    vin,

    That’s cool. There’s always the Pat Riley connection. lol.

    Knicks fans are pretty funny, tho. First they chanted for Kobe, now they’re chanting for Stephan. Wait until their team gets on a roll, they won’t even remember who Steph is.

    Everyone’s making a big deal out of the Curry DNP, but isn’t he coming off an injury?

    He’s got to play these guys at some point. Is D’antoni trying to send the message that you need to be in shape and a team player if you want to play?

  71. Trevor October 31st, 2008 at 11:34 am

    “Kennedy was overrated too”

    Overrated by who? Everyone with a brain knew he was a number 4/5 type of starter.

  72. Patrick October 31st, 2008 at 11:36 am

    “Kennedy was overrated too”

    Only by moronic fans who won’t face the facts. People who followed Kennedy knew that he will likely turn out to be a 4th or 5th starter in the majors. I’m sorry but thats more valuable than Willy Taveras. If they want to have a CF that can’t hit but is really fast the Yanks might as well just put Gardner there for the year and keep Kennedy.

    I’m not opposed to trading Ian Kennedy but not for Willy Taveras.

  73. vin October 31st, 2008 at 11:37 am

    I agree Al… pitching dept gets you to the playoffs, but studs win in the playoffs. Cash needs CC and Garland as well as Andy and keep the door open for Moose if he’s willing to come back. You can never have too much pitching.

  74. raymagnetic October 31st, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Why on earth would the Yankees trade Kennedy for a guy who’s no better than Melky? I don’t believe that at all.

    TurnTwo,

    I can’t speak on Holliday’s sincerity being that I never read the interview nor do I know anything about. If he’s willing to take a reasonable deal and not go on the market I’d be intrested in the Yankees trying to trade for him. I do have my doubts about him going against Boras’ wishes though.

    Does Dantoni know that Steph is a native New Yorker? Playing for his hometown Knicks? I wish Dantoni would never have been hired personally. I would have much rather seen Mark Jackson as the head coach.

  75. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) October 31st, 2008 at 11:39 am

    There is no selling low on IPK. The kid is a bust and we should try to get as much value as possible fir him although Taveras isn’t a great value.

  76. Patrick October 31st, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Al from BK,

    You might have a great eye for Whoppers but I don’t think I trust your evaluation of Ian Kennedy.

  77. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 11:43 am

    “I can’t speak on Holliday’s sincerity being that I never read the interview nor do I know anything about. If he’s willing to take a reasonable deal and not go on the market I’d be intrested in the Yankees trying to trade for him. I do have my doubts about him going against Boras’ wishes though.”

    yeah, i heard a radio interview he did over the AS break at the stadium, and read an article from the local Denver paper where he was interviewed.

    of course, none of us know these guys, or their real intentions, but he just came across to me as sincere.

  78. saucY October 31st, 2008 at 11:47 am

    speaking of Mark Jackson, is he not doing Nets broadcasts anymore?

  79. vin October 31st, 2008 at 11:49 am

    I’m with you, Patrick… IPK is too young to consider him a bust – he locates his pitches well. Problem is he didn’t throw enough offspeed or breaking balls this year. Hopefully one thing he learned from this year is that he can’t get away with throwing too many of his mediocre fastballs.

  80. raymagnetic October 31st, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Al,

    Ian Kennedy isn’t a bust. I keep repeating this but he’s already been in the majors and he did it in one year. You have no clue what you’re talking about when you say a 22 year old pitcher is a bust.

  81. mel October 31st, 2008 at 11:53 am

    When building the roster, the Yankees need to think about the running game.

    As we saw throughout the post-season, especially in the WS, stolen bases did make a difference.

  82. vin October 31st, 2008 at 11:53 am

    “Does Dantoni know that Steph is a native New Yorker? Playing for his hometown Knicks? ”

    What does that matter. Geography shouldn’t dictate playing time. The guy’s been a problem since day one. He’s only around because his contract expires after this year and that money will, hopefully, go towards the Lebron fund.

  83. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 11:53 am

    “he locates his pitches well.”

    but a big part of IPK’s problem last season was that he wasnt locating his pitches well, so this isnt really true.

  84. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Agree Ray, IPK is not a bust. Doesn’t appear to have a very high ceiling though. He’s got less than great stuff. Being compared/lumped in with far more talented guys in Joba and Hughes hasn’t helped him any.

  85. YANKS IN 2010 October 31st, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Overrated by who? Everyone with a brain knew he was a number 4/5 type of starter.
    _______________

    Overrated by the establishement

  86. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 11:56 am

    “Doesn’t appear to have a very high ceiling though. He’s got less than great stuff. Being compared/lumped in with far more talented guys in Joba and Hughes hasn’t helped him any.”

    totally agree, Fredo.

  87. West Coast Guy October 31st, 2008 at 11:58 am

    It would make no sense to trade IPK even up for Tavares, who is fast on the bases (as is Gardner) and a very good CF..remember his game saving catch against the D-Backs in the 07 playoffs?…but so is Gardner. Tavares cannot hit..his upside average is based upon his bunt singles. Nothing really is gained due to the presence of Gardner if the Yankees consider him to be the alternative. If not, there clearly is no issue.

    IPK, however, will ultimately be a 3-4 starter…but not for the Yankees, who burned the bridge by moving him up too quickly; also, his attitude is in question. Were Cashman to use some common sense (which he doesn’t to have too much of) he would season him in SW for another season, build up his numbers and deal after 09, and get more bang for the buck.

    Bottom line….Tavares adds nothing and would be an enormous mistake.

  88. gayle October 31st, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    Parade time!!!

  89. Cuz October 31st, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    This will be the first of many mistakes that Cashman will make this year(Tavares)

  90. raymagnetic October 31st, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Vin,

    I’m referring to Dantoni being so pissed that the crowd was chanting we want Steph. Steph isn’t a bad guy based on the charity work he’s done and he’s a ntive New Yorker which does matter to New Yorkers.

    Why would the coach be so upset at the crowd screaming we want Steph? They should release him if he’s not going to play, either way the money will come off of the books, no?

  91. Laura - Ready for '09 October 31st, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    “Bottom line….Tavares adds nothing and would be an enormous mistake.”

    Right now, this is true. However, the Rockies are trying to sell Tavares as someone who may hit .300 someday. Gardner doesn’t give off that vibe at all. If the Yankees fall for that bill of goods, they’ll make the deal. My choice would be to keep Gardner, but that’s probably because I just like the kid.

  92. vin October 31st, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    “but a big part of IPK’s problem last season was that he wasnt locating his pitches well, so this isnt really true.”

    Although there’s no denying he grooved a few last year, his bigger problem is his straight 90 mph fastball, and the fact that he threw it too much. He needs to change speeds and work on a different plane occasionally.

  93. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    “Does Dantoni know that Steph is a native New Yorker? Playing for his hometown Knicks?”

    I’d guess he does. Probably also knows that he’s not part of the Knicks’ future and the one thing having Marbury on your team guarantees you is that you won’t win.

  94. West Coast Guy October 31st, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    As to Holliday’s “sincerity” remember, he has Boras as his agent. Enough said. He will follow the money. If not, he would remain in Denver in a ballpark where he hits extremely well, is comfortable, has his buddies who he progressed through the Rockie system with, is the main man, with a team that should again be competitive due to its farm system, and is willing to pay him reasonable dollars though not for the term he/Boras would like….they don’t want another Helton albatross. The money the Rockies would pay even for less length certainly provides enough “security”; these “length of contract” terms that Boros always pitches do create enormous back-end problems as the Yankees, in particular, well know, and will come to know even more so, as Madonna’s Guy ages.

    It’s “follow the money” and don’t let anyone suggest otherwise. “How much is the total package and how long will I have to work to get it”.

    Curiously, the guy who is criticized the most, Manny, is the guy who is the most honest…. ManRam makes no bones about it when he states ” I’ll go where they pay me the most.”

  95. CB October 31st, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    “same with Taveras. he’s the type of player most hope Brett Gardner can become: hit .280-.290, get one base around .330-.340 and steal 50-60+ bases, and play an adequate CF… but Taveras has already done it for a couple seasons.”

    I hope not. Taveras is horrendous.

    Taveras was 19 runs worse than a league average centerfielder at the plate last year. 19 runs worse. While playing at Coors field. He was one of the single worst offensive players in baseball last year.

    He had a VORP of 1 last year. That means he was a replacement level player last year.

    Taveras was 2 runs worse than a league average defensive player in CF.

    So overall, offense plus defense he was 21 runs worse than a leauge average CF. That means he cost the Rockies 2 games compared to a league average centerfielder.

    He’s awful. This trade rumor is nonsense.

    If the yankees want a replacement level player in CF they could play either Gardner or Melky at a fraction of the cost.

  96. BBB (no selling low on Cano, no Tex, no Peavy, JUST CC!) October 31st, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    I’m feeling lazy today so my plan for later is just slick my hair back, rock #25, and get wasted….bam! I’m Jason Giambi. Happy Halloween Lohud!

    And an appropriate day for the Phils’ WS parade considering they are FINALLY exorcising the ghost of Billy Penn. Watching it on FOX 29 right now, looks like a good time but for all the reputed passion of Philly fans, Giants fans were way louder in Feb.! :)

    Anyway as far as these Kennedy for Tavares rumors…meh. At least we’d be both buying low AND selling low, but isn’t Tavares just kind of like Melky and Gardner combined? Why not just give Brett a chance to hit .250 for a year or so till AJax is ready?

    Not that I’m saying CF should be solely manned by Melky/Brett until then, but I’d rather fill the void with a veteran like Randy Winn. I’m sure he could be had for a reasonable price in a trade, too.

  97. Ed - looking forward to 2009 October 31st, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    “Does Dantoni know that Steph is a native New Yorker? Playing for his hometown Knicks?”

    I met him once by accident, when he was playing ball in Brooklyn. I got out of the train station, and I saw a tall person that looks familiar when I was walking home, and as I gotten closter, it was Steph.

  98. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Milton Bradley ended up being a Type B. The guy from Detroit Tiger Thoughts, who tried to bust the Elias system for determing this had Bradley as a borderline Type A.

    This guy had Pudge at the very bottom of the Type A list. Wonder how that ends up officially?

  99. #9 October 31st, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Red Sox favored to win 2009 World Series

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ru.....mlb,118820

    Not long after the Philadelphia Philles won 2008 World Series, BetOnline.com delcared the Boston Red Sox are the favorites to win the 2008 fall classic.

    Here is the full list, courtesy of BetOnline.com:

    Boston Red Sox 3/1
    Chicago Cubs 5/1
    LA Angels 5/1
    Philadelphia Phillies 6/1
    New York Yankees 6/1
    Tampa Bay Devil Rays 10/1

  100. West Coast Guy October 31st, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Laura, Tavares bunts for .300; he simply has not demonstrated that he can “hit” in the conventional sense. The Rockies are trying to “sell” him as he is excess baggage.

    If the Yankees wanted Gardner to do that, they could continue to work with him (as they started to do last year). However, IMO, you need more than that from your
    CF.

  101. BBB (no selling low on Cano, no Tex, no Peavy, JUST CC!) October 31st, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    btw, I do want to trade Kennedy, just not for Tavares. Fortunately I don’t think the Yanks will buy into that “but he could steal 100 bases!!!111!!” hype on Willy.

    I know we’re not going to get a MLB player back for Kennedy, but maybe he could net us a prospect that brings something more interesting than speed/beating out grounders to the table. Here’s an interesting nugget from MLBTR during the Mike Jacobs trade:

    “It’s surprising to see the Royals apparently willing to give up a prospect for a first baseman – they have a couple of palatable (and cheaper) options in Kila Ka’aihue and Ryan Shealy. Ka’aihue’s minor league equivalent says he could hit .243/.390/.442 in the bigs.”

    I wonder if we could get someone like Ka’aihue for IPK? Maybe if we throw in an additional marginal prospect? KC obviously doesn’t intend to play this guy, and if they’re dumb enough to prefer Mike Jacobs over their other alternative, then maybe Cash could have his way with their FO?

  102. miggs October 31st, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    “i see a Taveras for IPK swap similar to the idea behind a Hughes for Peavy swap.

    Peavy is what most people hope Hughes can become, but is already proven.

    same with Taveras. he’s the type of player most hope Brett Gardner can become: hit .280-.290, get one base around .330-.340 and steal 50-60+ bases, and play an adequate CF… but Taveras has already done it for a couple seasons.”

    This post makes no sense. Hughes has never done anything on the major league level, Peavy is one of the top pitchers in the NL with a Cy Young award under his belt. Tavaras and Melky had basically the same numbers last year .251/.308/.604. and Tavaras played in the NL West.

    This is what Gardner can become? Taravas is not exactly young either, he’ll be 27 next year and has been in the league for 5 years, so I don’t buy the fact that he’s still developing and learning the game.

    This is the first year he’s had over 34 sbs, so I don’t see how you can expect 50-60 every year from this guy. I also don’t see how you can expect him to hit .280 or .290 inthe AL east when he just hit .250 in the NL West.

    Another genius idea.

    Trade Kennedy for basically Melky with a few more sb?

    I’ll pass.

  103. BBB (no selling low on Cano, no Tex, no Peavy, JUST CC!) October 31st, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    hmm, since the Tigers guy was wrong on Bradley’s FA status, maybe he’ll be wrong on Giambi also and he will end up being a Type B after all.

  104. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    BBB:

    Doubtful on Giambi. This guy did have Bradley at the bottom of the A list, so he wasn’t that far off. Giambi wasn’t close to B.

  105. Laura - Ready for '09 October 31st, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    “Red Sox favored to win 2009 World Series”

    This is stupid. The offseason hasn’t even gotten hot yet; teams aren’t fully formed and already people think that BOS will win? Way to early to make that call.

  106. rconn23 October 31st, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    The Kennedy to Tavares rumor, I’m sure, is fabricated.

    Whatever your view is of Kennedy, Tavares is a horrible baseball player. He was dreadful this past year. He can’t hit, can’t draw a walk.

    Brett Gardner may be nothing more than a 4th outfielder, but he could put up better numbers than Tavares.

    This is just silly.

  107. ANSKY October 31st, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    For the last time, NO MANNY. I don’t want to read any more of this idiotic ‘get Manny’ crap now, does everyone understand? And if Hank or Cash ever thinks otherwise, tell them they have to answer to me. :)

    Manny’s got an attitude problem of biblical proportions, in case anyone hasn’t noticed. He’s so bad in the field that he can only be a DH, or did nobody notice that too? And he’s 37 or 38. Yes, I noticed he can hit. But I also noticed that he’ll hit if he feels like it. And he’ll pick a knee to limp on if he doesn’t feel like it. Sometimes he’ll pick a different knee from inning to inning.

    Look … we already have a couple guys (Matsui & Posada) in line for DH duty because they may not be able to play the field all the time. At least they’ll bust their nuts for the team at all times, both their salaries combined will be what Manny asks, and they’re both pretty good hitters.

    If the outfield, 1B and alternative catcher concerns get addressed like they should, there would be no need for Manny even if it’s just as a DH. Another way to look at it is that the money it would take to pay Manny would help prevent those issues and a front line starter from being addressed.

    Even if those issues are not addressed satisfactorily, there’s still no need for Manny.

    Regarding the OF, Ken Griffey Jr would have been a good move long ago but he is an older guy now. He hit about .250 this past season, just like Giambi. He can’t hit anywhere near as many HRs any more. He’s lost lots of time to injuries. If we could turn the clock back about 12 years I’d say sign him, but it’s not such a good idea anymore.

    If there is an older OF who’s worth getting for 3-4 years, it’s Ichiro. But I seriously doubt Seattle will ever part with him unless he demands a trade and they’re well compensated in terms of talent.

  108. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    “This is stupid. The offseason hasn’t even gotten hot yet; teams aren’t fully formed and already people think that BOS will win? Way to early to make that call.”

    Bookmakers thrive on stupidity. Obviously the odds will fluctuate as things develop in the offseason, but there’s one born every minute and a lot of them will bet on this stuff blindly.

  109. mel October 31st, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Varitek to the Tigers? Would the fans howl for Pudge to come bacl

    Is it true that agents can talk to other teams about their players during during the 15-day exclusive window, just not discuss money?

  110. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) October 31st, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    I think Hughes should be traded for Holliday. Then we could sign Holliday to a long term deal, this is instead of paying Tex. Then we could trade IPK to the tribe for Garko. Garko has a decent BA, OBP and has solid power, more importantly his glove is one of the best in the game. This solves first and LF for the foreseeable, also Holliday and Garko are 28 and 27 respectively.

  111. Skisan October 31st, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    “Those plusses outweigh the minus of a heavy recent workload.”

    CC is a big strong guy. Here are career innings for 2 other big strong types:
    #1 – 221,211,270,269,244,314,315,321,308,273,282,239.
    #2 – 211,233,254,287,299,280,175,304,314,294,245,278,195,240.
    Of course, that was before starters became pussies.
    (FYI, #1 is Drysdale, #2 is Gibson, neither one of which had any significant arm problems, despite the “workload”.

  112. Laura - Ready for '09 October 31st, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    “Then we could trade IPK to the tribe for Garko.”

    Again, I don’t get the fascination with Garko. The guy turned me off with his behavior during the playoffs last year. I want no part of him. Get Tex and be done with it.

  113. CB October 31st, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    “I think Hughes should be traded for Holliday. Then we could sign Holliday to a long term deal, this is instead of paying Tex.”

    Tex is better than Holliday and carries less risk (holliday’s numbers away from Coors just aren’t that great).

    Why would you ever trade talent for Holliday and then give him a contract that would have to be as big if not larger than the one tex is demanding? First base may not be a premium defensive position but neither is LF. They are the two easiest defensive positions to play.

  114. BBB (no selling low on Cano, no Tex, no Peavy, JUST CC!) October 31st, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    I like Garko and wouldn’t mind having him on the team, but why trade Hughes for Holliday when Holliday will cost only money a year from now? As a Scott Boras client, there’s no way he won’t hit the open market, and when he does, there’s no way the Yanks won’t get involved in the bidding.

  115. G. Love October 31st, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    I don’t think Manny Ramirez needs anyone to defend him. His offensive statistics do all the talking.

    However, isn’t it the least bit possible that Boston management could have pissed him off?

    I’m not saying Manny is a saint, but over the years you have heard stories about how Boston treats it’s players and condescends/talks down to them when they go to the front office with their concerns about their future/contracts.

    Haven’t you ever realized the non-coincidence that Boston never gets rid of a player that doesn’t have a problem?

    Think about that for a second.

    Everyone they trade/release/let go is put through a Boston/Gammons smear campaign.

    Everyone they trade for or draft is truly a “good guy” and asset to the game and the community.

    I’m not saying Manny didn’t threaten them or dog it, but I know in my employment history if my bosses pissed me off enough, my attitude and job performance went the other way.

    We’ve only heard one side of the story and it’s all from Boston media and jerks like Schilling.

    I don’t condemn the guy because I remember when Boston was winning WS championships with him, he was everyone’s lovable kook.

    If Manny wants to come here and the Yankees sign him, it would be a devastating blow to the rest of the AL East.

    I don’t know why Yankee fans have any hatred for the guy for what he did in Boston other than beat the Yankees.

    He didn’t do it to us.

    He looks like an opportunistic schemer, but was Jorge not an opportunistic schemer last off season when he was playing the Mets and that 4th year against us?

    Not to mention Arod and his opportunistic ways.

    And don’t give me the Manny choking the secretary story. There’s no real facts there other than what’s been trickled through the media.

  116. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) October 31st, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    ““I think Hughes should be traded for Holliday. Then we could sign Holliday to a long term deal, this is instead of paying Tex.”

    Tex is better than Holliday and carries less risk (holliday’s numbers away from Coors just aren’t that great).

    Why would you ever trade talent for Holliday and then give him a contract that would have to be as big if not larger than the one tex is demanding? First base may not be a premium defensive position but neither is LF. They are the two easiest defensive positions to play.”

    I would prefer Tex. However there needs to be a contingency plan if the Angels outbid everyone.

  117. Fredo Corleone October 31st, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    “I don’t think Manny Ramirez needs anyone to defend him. His offensive statistics do all the talking.

    However, isn’t it the least bit possible that Boston management could have pissed him off?”

    I think it’s possible Boston management enabled him, but he was a turd nonetheless. Almost annual vacations, frequently dogging it, smacking teammates, pushing senior citizens, etc. Boras is the right guy to defend him. He’s among the few anywhere who can do it with a straight face.

  118. BBB (no selling low on Cano, no Tex, no Peavy, JUST CC!) October 31st, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    “I would prefer Tex. However there needs to be a contingency plan if the Angels outbid everyone.”

    coughAdamDunncough4yeardealcoughcough

    ….sorry, I had something in my throat.

    I know everybody but me is against this, but think about it, his power, his durability, his OBP. He’d suck defensively at 1b, sure, but he’d bring more with his bat than he’d cost with his glove, and the best part is he’d only have to be our 1b for a year, then when Matsui’s contract is up he becomes the full time DH starting in 2010. It just makes too much sense!

  119. TurnTwo October 31st, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    “This post makes no sense. Hughes has never done anything on the major league level, Peavy is one of the top pitchers in the NL with a Cy Young award under his belt.”

    exactly.. you are making my point. people covet Hughes as the next future ace of this staff, and wont trade him, even it if were to get the type of pitcher like Peavy most people think Hughes, at his ceiling, could become and is right now.

    “This is what Gardner can become? Taravas is not exactly young either, he’ll be 27 next year and has been in the league for 5 years, so I don’t buy the fact that he’s still developing and learning the game.”

    how is 27 years ol now old for MLB players? really?

    he’s been in the league 5 years, but only played 4 full seasons… and one year, he missed 60+ games due to injury, and in the 1st year, he played in 10 games, and got 1 AB. that doesnt count as 5 years in the league.

    his career averages are .283 and .330, which if thats what Brett Gardner was anywhere near last year, he’d be jesus christ reincarnated on this blog.

    so yeah, Taveras, to me, is what people are crossing their fingers that Gardner hopes to become at the MLB level. he wont cost much, because he’s still arbitration eligible, and he might be worth a shot, especially if Kevin Long can get a hold of him and work with him.

    i’m not saying thats a great thing, and i’m not saying that Gardner or Taveras would be the best two options for the Yankees to start CF next season.

    but you gotta start to look somewhere.

  120. saucY October 31st, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    “Tex is better than Holliday ”

    but CB, Holliday blows Tex away if you go by your favorite stat, VORP. Tex is around 30 or so consistenly, while Holliday is up in the 60′s i believe…

  121. CB October 31st, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    “but CB, Holliday blows Tex away if you go by your favorite stat, VORP”

    Last year Tex had a better season than Holliday. Tex had a Vorp of 67. Best year of his career. Holliday had a VORP of 60.

    When you say Tex’s VORP is around 30 I think you’re only looking at part of his season’s statistics due to the fact that he was traded midseason in 2007 and 2008. To get his total VORP you have to add together what he did for both teams as VORP is a counting stat.

    Tex is probably around a 50-55 VORP player for his career.

    The bigger issue when looking at Matt Holliday’s statistics is how generalizable they are. If you are going to lay out $150M on a position player you can’t make a mistake. You need to know what you are getting.

    Holliday’s home road splits are far too concerning IMO to lay out that kind of money for him. His career OPS is .130 points higher at home.

    Put in another way Holliday is around a 75 VORP player at home and a 40-45 VORP player on the road.

    Tex’s statistics are more reliably generalizable than Holliday’s are. You can be more certain of the kind of production you’ll get. So even though his absolute numbers aren’t as good as Holliday’s I would still prefer Tex.

  122. chris A October 31st, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Why didn’t the Yanks look at this guy Jacobs that the Royals just traded for. He’s cheap, power hitting 1st baseman ( 32 hr’s and 90 ribs) that the Royals got for bullpen help.

  123. saucY October 31st, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    “When you say Tex’s VORP is around 30 I think you’re only looking at part of his season’s statistics due to the fact that he was traded midseason in 2007 and 2008. To get his total VORP you have to add together what he did for both teams as VORP is a counting stat.”

    you’re right. i think i thought i was more like an average than a cumulative type stat.

    thanks! :)

  124. JoeT 28 in 10.... LETS GO RAYS!! October 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Jon (from the first question): I believe Tino is an assistant coach with the University of South Florida in Tampa. I know he was a couple years ago and as far as I know he’s still there with the team.

    I don’t really remember if he was a “special instructor” type of a guy who was there when he could be (home games/practices) or if he was a full time coach that attended the away games as well – but I do know that he was definitely with USF.

    Now I go back to enjoying the fact that Cincy beat USF yesterday for their 3rd loss!!

  125. YankeeBaseball October 31st, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Trade Kennedy and a mid level prospect like Pope for Kila Ka’aihue of the Royals.

    With less pressure in KC, Kennedy could blossom into a decent middle rotation starter. He’s young and did great flying through the minors. Seems the Yankees rushed him and the pressure is too much for him in NY.

    Ka’aihue in 2008 at AA had a .450+ OBP, 104/67 BB/K, and 37 jacks in just over 400 ABs. He could be a guy to step in as the first baseman for the Yanks for many years to come. Since the Royals just traded for Jacobs and also have Butler and Shealy at first, it would appear the Kila could be available.

  126. 86w183 October 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    the Jacobs acquisition was a bizarre one. If Ka’aihue can be had for Kennedy or maybe a little more those are the types of trades I love to see… prospect for prospect, dealing from depth to fill need.

    I like Holliday as a player.. probably a notch above Jason Bay both offensively and defensively. Some of you have to get over your fear/loathing of all things Boras. The guy does what he’s supposed to do and some players let him pull all the strings and others don’t. Take your best show and don’t be afraid to walk away, that’s my attitude with regards to Boras and his clients, starting with Teixiera

  127. Yankees#1 October 31st, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Yankees should do the following to get back into contention:
    1) Sign CC. Go all out.
    2) Sign AJ. 5-years at $17MM per year.
    3) Try to sign Abreu for maximum 2-years at $16 MM per. If not, trade Hughes, McCallister and two other B prospects for Holliday.
    4) Play Melky at CF with Brett G. as the first back up.
    5) Try to sign Mussina. If not coming back, sign Pettite to 1-year at no more than $8MM guarantee money.
    6) Play Nady at 1B.

    7) Double the scouting department budget on good scouts.
    8) Double the player development budget on good instructors.

  128. Kevin November 2nd, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Yu Darvish’s team won’t decide when he leaves, Darvish will. The team has already said publicly that they won’t go against his wishes when he tells them he’s ready to move on. Problem is, he’s such a celebrity in Japan he might not want to come over here for a while.


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