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Little Stein stokes the Hot Stove

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Oct 31, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

That didn’t take long. This from the AP:

TAMPA, Fla. – Manny Ramirez in pinstripes?

Hank Steinbrenner said the Yankees will explore all options during the offseason, including the possibility of making an offer to the free-agent slugger.

“There’s nothing we are not looking at,” Steinbrenner said Friday at the Yankees’ spring training complex. “And personally, I like Manny. He’s one of the greatest hitters in the history of the game. He’s a free spirit for sure, but he knows how to win. We like some of the other guys, too. We just don’t know yet.”

Ramirez was traded from Boston to the Dodgers on July 31, and Los Angeles is expected to attempt to re-sign the high-priced outfielder.

New York’s priority is pitching, and CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett figure to be the top starters on the market.

“Every team in baseball wants Sabathia,” Steinbrenner said. “That’s the bottom line. It’s not a real secret. Pitching is in the forefront for everybody, not just us. That’s why starting pitching is at a premium.”

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Prediction: Between now and the start of the spring training, there will approximately 17 of these stories where Hank makes some sort of comment about a player he wants, or how the Yankees need pitching, or how he promises the Yankees will back or whatever.

As for actual news, Arm Tellem has arrived in Montoursville, Pa., for his meeting with Mike Mussina. Tellem said there was no set timetable and he wasn’t expecting Mussina to announce anything tonight.

That’s not really Moose’s style anyway. It’s a good bet that Mike will hold a press conference at the Stadium sometime soon to announce his retirement or have the Yankees release a statement and do a conference call.

There is no evidence that he will be coming back.

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311 Responses to “Little Stein stokes the Hot Stove”

  1. harwood October 31st, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    the prophet Abraham

  2. vtred October 31st, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    I heart Hank

    He is kind enough to allow us to dream.

  3. joltin joe October 31st, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Manny is just what we need. Bat him 4th behind Arod. Not only will it take the pressure of Arod, it will loosen him up with his best friend on the team. I say do it and I am a purist. He will be the straw to stir the drink.

  4. Joe from Long Island October 31st, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    1. I remember a post Pete had a couple of days ago, where he said the AP had a guy stationed at Steinbrenner Field outside where Hank goes to smoke, then shouts questions at him. What Hank said is not at all a surprise to anyone who follows the team, at least not to me. What’s he going to say, that the Yanks are NOT interested/talk about in CC, AJ or Manny. It all comes down to the specifics of the deal.

    2. Getting back to the additions to the 40-man roster – Eric Hacker has been in the organization for a few years. I’m curious as to why he suddenly seems to be putting it together. A new pitch, new mechanics, what?

  5. mel October 31st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Manny would be very nice in ‘stripes.

    The devil’s in the details, though.

    Dodger’s going to take a serious swipe at him, though they plead poverty.

    How about the Angels if they lose Tex? :)

  6. GreenBeret7 October 31st, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Right now, Hank Steinbrenner needs to keep his mouth shut about other players. He’s been tap dancing around tampering charges all year. I don’t care is he gets fined and suspended, as long as it doesn’t cost the team.

  7. mel October 31st, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Green Beret,

    Technically, he can talk about them, right?

    I thought I heard on the radio that agents can talk to other teams, just not talk money. Is that wrong?

  8. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story October 31st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Que sera, sera.

  9. Swayne October 31st, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Manny should be avoided at all costs. He will be a 37-year-old malcontent by July, and will destroy the clubhouse. Want to add offense? get Teixeira, or Holiday, or keep Abreu. But focus on adding Sabathia AND Burnett to go with Wang, Joba, Pettitte and Hughes.

  10. PreteFunkEra October 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    I like, shake it up a little. He’s only one of the best hitters in MLB.

    Manny #3, Arod #4

    Scary.

  11. mel October 31st, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Oh, no question. Teixeira over Manny.

    But Manny is one hell of a hitter.

    He won’t kill the clubhouse. It’s incapable of being destroyed. It survived Shef. :)

  12. GreenBeret7 October 31st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    mel
    October 31st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
    Green Beret,

    Technically, he can talk about them, right?

    I thought I heard on the radio that agents can talk to other teams, just not talk money. Is that wrong?

    ______________________________________________________

    Not yet, Mel. The team still has the only right to talk to the players about money.

    What is know, though is that another team’s officials aren’t allowed to talk about wanting other players. That’s tampering. That used to carry a $250,000 fine on the club and possible suspension.

    I think if they player has already filed, they can talk about anything but money…wink, wink. I’ll try to find the rules where it’s more defined.

  13. RhapsodyInBlue October 31st, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    Manny returning to Fenway in Pinstripes?

    Standing at the plate in half stadium watching a walk-off moonshot off Papelgoon.

    I’m sure he and Girardi would be tight.

  14. zeusrules October 31st, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Girardi couldn’t handle manny being manny. Gotta love hank though. He wants to run the team from happy hour at the Regal Beagle.

  15. Rubin-Bring back Bobby and The Big G!!!! October 31st, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    If the Yankees release a statement, Moose is retiring. If they hold a press conference at the stadium, hes coming back. Thats the way I think of it…

  16. Guiseppe Franco October 31st, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Manny isn’t coming to the Yankees so don’t bother getting your hopes up.

    He’s going to be 37 years old and Cashman has been telling us for awhile now that they need to get younger and more flexible.

    He’s a DH who happens to play left field and Cashman has explained numerous times just how much the Yanks desperately need to improve their defense.

    And none of that even begins to address his long history of behavior issues that would never fly in the Yankee club house.

    He behaved for two months in LA so he could paid. It’s as simple as that.

  17. Laura - Ready for '09 October 31st, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    “Manny is just what we need. ”

    The very people clamoring for Manny will be the same people complaining when he doesn’t run out ground balls or casually jogs after balls hit to Left. He behaved in LA because he wanted a contract. Once he gets it, he will return to being the same loser he was in BOS.

  18. For $13 I'll be a Macadamia Nut October 31st, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Hank says he wants everyone, or at least considers and thinks about how each player fits. Its not like its a shock that the Yankees would discuss any of these players, and frankly by his saying things like that, it must drive the other teams crazy trying to figure out what the Yankees are ultimately going to do.

    With him being all over the board with “wants”, it makes it harder for the others to gauge how much competition they will face from the Yankees. That might help out by driving the others higher than they were willing to go, pushing them out of other possible acquisitions.

  19. Rob NY October 31st, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Just say no to Manny. If you want to throw stupid money at a hitter I’d rather see Tex. (and I don’t really like that idea either. 10 Years of Tex is bad but not as bad as 4 years of Manny imo.) Whatever happens we would do well to get a new cleanup hitter and let A-Rod bat third.

  20. E-Man October 31st, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    “The very people clamoring for Manny will be the same people complaining when he doesn’t run out ground balls or casually jogs after balls hit to Left. He behaved in LA because he wanted a contract. Once he gets it, he will return to being the same loser he was in BOS.”

    It depends on the kind of contract they get him on. 1 or 2 years would be a max type of deal and I don’t see him jogging with those. I’m sure there would have to also be some incentive or performance based numbers to make sure that doesn’t happen again. Regardless, I don’t think any team is going to be dumb enough to give him a standard contract after the crap he pulled in boston.

    With that said, Bring on Manny if he’ll do 1 or 2 and a team option. Maybe it’ll help Arod.

  21. Fran October 31st, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    The off season will never be boring with Hank around!

  22. joltin joe October 31st, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    E Man
    You might be right. Since no one else will offer him more than 2 years at 25 mil, he might have to settle, as Arod did, for that with us. Then he can explore the market 2 years from now. We can throw in a 3rd year option but that would cause him to pull the same crap he did to the redsox.

  23. Housecleaner October 31st, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Even money, Manny will be in Pinstripes. Madonna and A-Rod both will be quite pleased. The Manny Bashers will continue to say “it will not happen”, refusing to acknowledge reality.

    Don’t assume this was a classic Hank off the wall comment. It may well have been planned, not necessarily to get Manny, but to let the Dodgers know they are in the hunt. If the Dodgers do sign Manny, they are out of contention for CC since McCourt certainly will not got for two big hits, perhaps not even one…so the likelihood of CC wearing pinstripes is enhanced. The possibility that it’s a ploy, makes it even money.

    We’ll see, probably by Xmas….fascinating.

  24. PAT M October 31st, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Just a side note…I met Danny Espinosa today…He was drafted in the 3rd round by the Nationals….He’s a local kid who works out in Laguna Beach at an incerdible complex owned by his agent Scott Boras, as do many of the local players who are in Borars’s stable…..He’s spent the past few weeks of his off season conditioning sessions with Rockies Matt Holiday…..Matt who resides in Laguna with his family for the offseason says he expects to be traded this winter and the Yankees are a serious player for him…..This is not some sportswriter exercising his creative writing skills……Maybe there is some merit to this…..They’ll want the best of the treasure chest of the Yanks young pitchers…..Danny was an outstanding SW hitting SS at Mater Dei HS…He recalls with quite clearity being whiffed three times by Phil Hughes……

  25. R+ October 31st, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    JP Riccardi has been talking openly about Manny for the past month. Check out MLBTR, lots of GMs have commented about other players not on their roster.

    When the season is over, there are no tampering rules. He already filed for free agency.

  26. O*Line October 31st, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    I’d have no problem with Manny. He could be the jolt this offense needs.

    Probably have to move Matsui though. No way you can play him in the field and move Damon back to CF.

  27. Hornblower October 31st, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    I can’t believe that anyone on this board wants to root for Manny Ramirez. Is Plaxico next?

  28. GreenBeret7 October 31st, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Pat, assuming the Rockies want near ready pitchers, I’d assume that it would start with either Hughes/Coke and include Bruney/Cox and possibly Hacker, along with possibly Curtis and either Cabrera or Gardner with Colorado sending another player (perhaps, but hopefully not Francis, I’d prefer Taylor Buchholtz). Obviously, Aaron Cook is not available.

  29. ray (sox fan) October 31st, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    “With that said, Bring on Manny if he’ll do 1 or 2 and a team option.”

    With Scot Boras as his agent throwing out there that Manny should get a six year contract there is NO way NO how that Manny takes a 1 year contract. Not possible.

  30. aaron empty October 31st, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    many didnt “opt out” so to speak to take a 1/two year deal some one will give him at least 3. the mets are desperate with the phils winning and all, count on it.

  31. PAT M October 31st, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    GB7,Ican only imagine the insane list the Rockies gave the Yanks to consider giving up…..The kid did say that Matt said they came close to a deal in July, but with Hughes and Kennedy still coming off the DL, it didn’t really have lEGS…..As for his indocrination into the world of Professional baseball, he was very clear that Jim Bowden is a idiot…He’d call him directly and bypass Agent Boras as they kept offering him below slot dough….He signed on the last day, and recieved above the slot money…..He now drives a new loaded Cadillac CTS….50,000 dollar car,not bad…He’ll end up as a 2nd baseman….

  32. JK October 31st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Even if they have no interest in Manny, they might as well let Boras use “The Yankees are interested” threat to run up the price on the Dodgers or Mets.

  33. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and show CC the money (and food)! October 31st, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    So I guess no vow of silence from Hank this offseason?

    Hank will probably be the one to first announce if Moose is retiring or not.

    :P

  34. GreenBeret7 October 31st, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    PAT M
    October 31st, 2008 at 11:03 pm
    GB7,Ican only imagine the insane list the Rockies gave the Yanks to consider giving up…..The kid did say that Matt said they came close to a deal in July, but with Hughes and Kennedy still coming off the DL, it didn’t really have lEGS…..As for his indocrination into the world of Professional baseball, he was very clear that Jim Bowden is a idiot…He’d call him directly and bypass Agent Boras as they kept offering him below slot dough….He signed on the last day, and recieved above the slot money…..He now drives a new loaded Cadillac CTS….50,000 dollar car,not bad…He’ll end up as a 2nd baseman….

    ________________________________________________________

    Yeah, the Rockies want list will be ugly, and I think they’ll want to tie Francis’ contract into it. They have one other ugly contract to move and that’s Helton, that nobody would touch. Do you have a list of names for a possible deal….just from your experience?

    As far as your acquaintance goes, he sure got intelligent at an early age, if he’s already learned that Bowden is two bricks shy.

  35. randyhater October 31st, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    “There is no evidence that he will be coming back.”

    Wasn’t he just quoted a few weeks ago speculating about a three-year deal and a run at 300 wins?

    I’ll be shocked if Mussina doesn’t pitch for the Yankess next year. I know he’s an odd bird, but how many players in major league history have walked away after a 20 win season? Leaving an 8 figure offer on the table, no less?

    Talk all you want about the money he’s banked and his undying love for his family, the guy is what, 40 years old? What makes you think he’s so desperate to embark on a 40 year odyssey sitting on a tractor in the bowels of Pennsylvania, eating pretzels and staring at Amish people?

    Let’s just hope that Cash is smart enough to go year-to-year with him.

  36. MJR (Lowe is OOOLLLDDD) October 31st, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    too close to 300 not to give it a try.

    hats of if he has the control to sit back and let it go by him.

  37. Mike November 1st, 2008 at 12:02 am

    Yankees sign Manny, I will burn everything I have that says NY or Yankees on it….no.freaking.way they should sign him

  38. pat November 1st, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Since Manny said “gas is up and so am I”, gas has come down 15% and people are a series and a few weeks removed from the awe of what Manny did in LA.

    Not a big fan of the word according to Hank BUT anything that drives up the price of free agents the Yankees don’t really want might help keep teams out of the sweepstakes for the players the Yankees might want the most.

    Maybe I’m giving Hank too much credit but there might be a method to Hank’s madness that might actually help this time.

  39. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 12:51 am

    GB7 are boy WDR is on the 40, guess we will see him in 09′ :D

  40. Yankee Trader November 1st, 2008 at 12:56 am

    In an ideal world for NYY:
    Sabathia signs for 5 years
    Burnett signs for 3 years
    Mussina reups for 1 year
    Abreu accepts arbitration-2010 free agent outfielders include Holliday, Bay, Crawford, Ankiel
    Matsui and prospects get traded to Giants for Sanchez and Winn
    Veras and prospects to Indians for Garko.

    Of course that’s wishful thinking.

    Lineup:
    Damon LF
    Winn CF
    Abreu DH
    ARod 3B
    Nady RF
    Jeter SS
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Garko 1B

    Starters:
    Sabathia
    Burnett
    Wang
    Mussina
    Joba
    Hughes

    Relief:
    Rivera
    Bruney
    Sanchez
    Coke
    Melancon
    Aceves

    Bench:
    Molina
    Gardner
    2 others via free agency

  41. sweet lou November 1st, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Manny for 6 years
    CC for 8
    Teixeria for 10

    Lets do it.

  42. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 12:58 am

    Coke isn’t staying in the BP.

  43. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 1:00 am

    “Manny for 6 years”

    No.

    “CC for 8″

    It won’t be for that long.

    “Teixeria for 10″

    Helllllllll no

  44. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
    November 1st, 2008 at 12:51 am
    GB7 are boy WDR is on the 40, guess we will see him in 09’

    ________________________________________________________

    Unless De La Rosa becomes Sandy Koufax of the minors this year and NYY has another string of pitching injuries, I can’t imagine him being in NY this year. I think that he spends April pitching for Tampa and then up to Trenton, if he does well. After that, then maybe the last couple of months in Scranton. He just hasn’t pitched that many innings, yet. Hopefully, he’ll work on things and get ready for the 2010 rotation.

  45. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 1st, 2008 at 1:11 am

    “Winn CF”

    Cashman is trying to get YOUNGER, not OLDER.

  46. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 1:16 am

    We’re expecting 140 – 160 IP right GB7 ? I could see late season call up to the BP for him or Dunn this coming season.

  47. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 1:17 am

    Got to get this in.

    “Yankees prospect Andrew Brackman (3-3) allowed two runs — one earned — on four hits while striking out seven and walking one over six innings. The former first-round pick has 27 strikeouts in 25 2/3 innings in Hawaii.”

    What a BUST

  48. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 1st, 2008 at 1:20 am

    brandon -

    just helping out the ignorant fans, eh? lol

  49. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 1:27 am

    Yup. :lol:

  50. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 1st, 2008 at 1:30 am

    brandon -

    why towel boy didn’t play tonight?

  51. Jim in Tokyo November 1st, 2008 at 1:34 am

    Give Manny a six-year contract for $100,000/game, but with a $2 million buyout executable at any time. He gets two free Manny Being Manny moments; a third one and he’s gone. (OK, I know the players assn would never go for it, still…)

  52. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 1:35 am

    The towel is in the locker room.

  53. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2008 at 1:38 am

    Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
    November 1st, 2008 at 1:16 am
    We’re expecting 140 – 160 IP right GB7 ? I could see late season call up to the BP for him or Dunn this coming season.

    __________________________________________________________

    Yeah, Brandon…Somewhere in the middle. He’s got a very valuable arm and he’s only pitched about 130 innings pitched in his career….107 this past season.

  54. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 1st, 2008 at 1:42 am

    speaking of stats and prospects….besides MILB.com, where else could I get complete stats? I’m trying to create some players for my PS3 :( , MILB only has AzFL stats for some players.

  55. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Ed, try baseball-reference.com in the minor league section or thebaseballcube.com.

  56. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 1st, 2008 at 1:54 am

    GB,

    I did, but they don’t have splits. like, what’s their avg vs righties and lefties, batting avg in RISP.

  57. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2008 at 2:22 am

    Ed, here’s another one for you that may help.

    http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi

  58. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 1st, 2008 at 2:25 am

    GB,

    sweeeeeeeeet. thanks.

  59. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2008 at 2:35 am

    My pleasure, Ed.

  60. george November 1st, 2008 at 3:13 am

    “He’s a free spirit for sure”

    So, Manny blew off a big game against the Yankees because he was unhappy about his multi-million dollar contract, and that makes him Henry David Thoreau?

  61. Don Capone November 1st, 2008 at 6:47 am

    Secretly, I wouldn’t mind seeing Manny in pinstripes.

    As for Mussina, I was waiting for him to announce his retirement during the final game of the WS. But no one knew when the final game was. Is it over yet, by the way?

  62. Drive 4-5 November 1st, 2008 at 7:23 am

    Absolutley, positively,unconditionally I do NOT want to to see that selfish,self centered,slacking prima dona wear a Yankee uniform.

    As a season ticket holder, I’d rather see the Yankees lose than lower themselves to signing the poster child for the spoiled and pampered.

    I’ve been a Yankee fan for over 50 years. I stand by the Yankees through thick and thin and have never booed a Yankee player once. But this is where I draw the line.

    I will boo till my lungs give out every time that piece of garbage walks out on the field in a Yankee uniform and I will revile that idiot Hank Steinbrenner forever.

  63. joey November 1st, 2008 at 7:38 am

    starters 2009:
    cc sabathia
    burnett
    wang
    chamberlain
    pettite

    lineup2009:
    damon-CF
    jeter-SS
    texiera-1B
    arod-3B
    matsui-DH
    posada-C
    nady-RF
    kemp-CF
    cano-2B

    BP:
    rivera,marte,bruney,coke,veras,melancon,aceves

    trade/hughes+…./kemp

  64. Drive 4-5 November 1st, 2008 at 7:45 am

    Anyone foolish enough to want Manny Ramirez needs to watch his last at bat against Mariano Rivera. You know, the one where purposely left his bat on his shoulder and watched 3 pitches go by him. Ramirez had determined he was going to have the night off. Terry Francona had the nerve to ignore the memo and asked him to pinch hit.

    In essence,Ramirez stood there at home plate and basically said to his manager “What part of I’m taking the night off didn’t you understand?”

    That folks, is cheating of the worst order. The steroid cheaters broke the rules to help themselves and, in the end, their team. Manny Ramirez cheated to lose!

    And people in here want this guy in a Yankee uniform because he’s a great hitter? Every Yankee fan ought to be ashamed if Steinbrenner rewards Manny Ramirez with a contract.Hank and Ramirez are both nothing but laughingstocks.

  65. Guiseppe Franco November 1st, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Drive 4-5,

    I completely agree with you on Manny.

    However, there’s no need to worry about him signing with the Yanks because it will never happen. I’d bet my house on it.

    Hank may like him but he doesn’t make the final decisions. His brother Hal and Cashman do and it’s pretty clear they don’t want anything to do with him.

    You can bank on it. He’s not coming to the Bronx.

  66. SJ44 November 1st, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Manny has as much of a chance of being a Yankee as Albert Pujols.

    Much worry about nothing.

  67. yankee21 November 1st, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Holiday season wish list

    CC, 6 years, 24K/yr
    Tex, 4 years,23K/yr
    Moose, 1 year, team option 2nd year
    Pettitte, 1 year, team option 2nd year
    Sheets, if he takes a 2 year, incentive-laden contract

    Stay clear of Burnette, and Lowe by all means
    Stay clear of Tex beyond 4 years, and CC beyond 6
    Forget Manny, but ok to signal interest.

    Part ways with Abreu and Giambi.

  68. yankee21 November 1st, 2008 at 9:35 am

    BTW, clarification of wish list,

    Moose or Pettite, 1 year, team option 2nd year, if Sheets is signed. If Sheets does not sign with NYY, then both Petitte and Moose.

    If Tex does not sign, I start kicking the tires on Casey Kotchman of the Braves. Perhaps a package of IPK, Aceves, and Laird gets it done.

  69. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 9:38 am

    “Manny has as much of a chance of being a Yankee as Albert Pujols.”

    Agreed. I think the market for Ramirez is pretty shallow. Not sure one exists in the AL. If the Halos are to spend big money, it would be to retain Teixeira. Pretty sure Boston’s interest hovers somewhere in the 0% range. Doesn’t seem practical for the Yankees on several levels. Jays have been mentioned but probably don’t have the dough (would not be shocked to see Giambi land there). Think it may come down to the Dodgers, Mets or perhaps the Phils as a replacement for Burrell.

  70. Kill.Schill(ing) November 1st, 2008 at 9:39 am

    21, someone is going to offer Teixiera at least a 7-year contract, if not longer.

    He’s already declined an 8-year contract offer for $140 million.

    For the Yankees to sign him, they’re going to have pay him 7-years, $140 at the bare minimum.

    And to have any chance to sign Sabbathia, they need to start the bidding at $160 million for 6-years, at about $26 M, per. Anything less and he’ll be happy to sign with the Angels for 6 years and $120 M, especially if they decline to sign Teixiera.

  71. yankee21 November 1st, 2008 at 9:43 am

    KS,

    Regarding Tex, Someone might, but I sure as H hope it isn’t the Yankees. I don’t want to clog that spot for 7+. And I don’t think Tex is the guy you want long term, as pointed out on this blog repeatedly, Tex is a very good player he is not a superstar.

    Sorry, more than 6 years of CC, I can’t do it,, I pass. I’m going to go with the highest AAV, if its over 24K ok, but I’m not going over 6 years.

  72. Mark in Tampa November 1st, 2008 at 9:43 am

    I prefer to look at Kotchman first, before Tex. If not him, then somebody else who would give the team flexibility. Tex is the best first baseman on the market now, but he is certainly not the best 1B in baseball. But, he will be paid like it. Pick up somebody who can play the position, not a converted C/OF, who can be dumped when there are elite 1B available for more reasonable prices than what Tex looks like he will demand.

  73. Kill.Schill(ing) November 1st, 2008 at 9:44 am

    Expect Angelos, as Boras’ customary “mystery bidder,” to promise Teixiera something obscene like an 10-year contract for $200 or a 7-year contract for $180 milion.

    Let’s hope that Teixieria exerts more will over the negotiations than our favorite Kabbalah scholar.

  74. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 9:48 am

    “If Tex does not sign, I start kicking the tires on Casey Kotchman of the Braves. Perhaps a package of IPK, Aceves, and Laird gets it done.”

    Not a big Kothchman guy myself. Doesn’t give you enough offenisvely for a corner infielder. I’d talk with the Pirates about the availablity of Adam Laroche. Plays a solid 1B and is a much better hitter than Kotchman.

  75. yankee21 November 1st, 2008 at 9:50 am

    if tex gets > 150M, more power to him, but hopefully not Yankee $$$.

  76. Kill.Schill(ing) November 1st, 2008 at 9:51 am

    BTW, SJ44 or any of you other posters out there with inside dope, what’s the word from the inside about Marte? Are the Yankees going to exercise his option?

    Heyman’s last columns lists him as a Type A free-agent.

    I wonder if the compensatory draft picks don’t provide reason alone to decline Marte’s option and to declare free-agency.

    Another reason: for every Type-A free-agent the Yankees lose, they can sign another Type-A free-agent without sacrificing one of their two 2009 draft picks.

    It’s amazing how suddenly we, as Yankees fans, have worry about draft compensation. Ten years ago no one ever discussed baseball’s amateur draft and the threat of losing a 1st rounder elicited nothing more than a snicker. (or at least a Melky Way)

  77. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 9:51 am

    “Let’s hope that Teixieria exerts more will over the negotiations than our favorite Kabbalah scholar.”

    I wouldn’t count on that.

  78. yankee21 November 1st, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Adam L. Interesting guy, but if you have trouble with Cano focusing, you won’t want Laroche. Notoriously slow starter and a very hot/cold hitter.

    Not sure of Laroche’s contract situation but if you can get him without giving up premium talent, then you have to at least kick the tires.

    I do like Votto best though there is no way the Reds ask for anything less than Hughes, and I am not ready to give up on Hughes just yet.

  79. Kill.Schill(ing) November 1st, 2008 at 9:55 am

    If the Dodgers want to dump Andruw Jones and are willing to subsidize 25% to 50% of his salary, anyone wonder whether the Yankees should consider him for one year in CF?

    (I would imagine in a salary dump, the Dodger would have to take someone like Kei Igawa in the bargain.)

    I think I’d almost prefer to see the Yankees give Gardner the opportunity.

    I don’t know whether AJ would waive his no-trade clause to play in NY anyway. Evidently, he hates the cold.

  80. Mark in Tampa November 1st, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Fredo,

    LaRoche is fine, though his Ks are high 122 to 49 for Kotchman. Obviously that is not the most important thing, but notable. The main point, though, is you don’t want to be tied in to a player for 7-10 years. That is just crazy! How many players currently would you feel comfortable being tied into for 10 years? Arod, but even that is questionable. Pujols. Maybe David Wright. Maybe. I think anybody else, and you would really be concerned about major production decline, loss of motivation, etc.

  81. Brad November 1st, 2008 at 9:59 am

    There’s always a Plan B.
    If Teixeira signs elsewhere, start with pursuing Casey Kotchman,

  82. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 10:00 am

    “Another reason: for every Type-A free-agent the Yankees lose, they can sign another Type-A free-agent without sacrificing one of their two 2009 draft picks”

    KS:

    As I understand it, one of the Yankees two 1st rounders is protected. The compensatory pick for not locking up Cole cannot be lost.

    I do not believe that losing a Type A precludes a team from losing a pick if they sign a Type A. As an example, if the Yankees sign Sabathia, the Brewers get the Yankees 1st rounder no matter who was to sign Marte as a free agent. If for example the Mets signed Marte, the Yankees would get their 1sr round pick. If however, it was a team like Detroit signed Marte, with their 1st round pick being protected, the Yankees would get the Tigers 2nd round pick.

  83. yankee21 November 1st, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Mark; I agree there are very, very few players I am comfortable with for > 6 years.

    the list would be short, Arod wouldn’t be on it, and Wright would. Primarily, because of age.

  84. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am

    “LaRoche is fine, though his Ks are high 122 to 49 for Kotchman. Obviously that is not the most important thing, but notable.”

    Mark:

    I think the more notable issues in a Laroche/Kotchman comparison is that Laroche is a superior OBP guy and has a far better slugging percentage. I agree with not wanting to lock up a guy at 1B for 7-8 years, as 1B is the most likely landing spot for Jesus Montero…who is not 7-8 years away.

  85. Mark in Tampa November 1st, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Look at it this way as well. If the Yanks weren’t tied into Giambi with no chance to move him, who could they have brought in to play first? DLee in his prime. They may have taken a flier on Ortiz. He may never have become what he is in Boston, but at least he never would have been there. They would have made a pitch to Konerko a few years ago. Probably have been Texas’ trading partner for Tex. At least they would have had him for 1 1/2 on the cheap. Would Pujols have been so quick to extend in St. Lou if the biggest fish in the pond needed a 1B? Maybe, maybe not. They may have not gotten any of them, but the point is that they would have had the flexibility to go after some of these players if they weren’t saddled with 7yrs/130M or so.

  86. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 10:13 am

    Yankee21:

    LaRoche is a free agent after the ’09 season. Last year he was paid $5M as he and the Pirates were able to avoid arbitration.

  87. Kill.Schill(ing) November 1st, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Fredo, I had thought that as well, but Heyman claimed otherwise on Francesco’s show the other day, so I have no clue.

    Heyman claimed that you retain your pick, despite signing a Type-A, if you lose another Type-A free-agent.

    Personally, I’d much rather it work your way because unless a playoff team signs Abreu (the Cubs perhaps), the Yankees draft position would improve.

    Which suggests to me that Heyman might be right after all. According to the method he implied MLB uses, teams would retain the draft position their record the previous season merits. Makes sense.

  88. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 10:20 am

    “Would Pujols have been so quick to extend in St. Lou if the biggest fish in the pond needed a 1B?”

    Porbably. Pujols was still three seasons from free agency when he signed his big deal. Cardinals bought 4-5 free agent season by making the commitment when they did and Pujols still gets a shot at free agency at the relatively young age of 31 or 32.

  89. yankee21 November 1st, 2008 at 10:27 am

    Fredo, thanks.

    Since Laroche is a FA at the end of 09, and would likely command in the 10m range, the Pirates have to consider dealing him.

    Then again, the Pirates were mauled in the press over the Yankees trade so they may be gun-shy dealing with NYY.

    Who would you be willing to give up for 1 year Laroche’s services?

  90. Mark in Tampa November 1st, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Fredo,

    You are probably right about Pujols, but he the only one I would even give a LTC to. The others probably could have been had for 4 years or less. You can live with a so-so 4 year deal(Pavano being the exception). Usually, you will get at least a year to year to a half of production that you paid for. Another year or so of decline. That leaves about one year of performance below what is acceptable for the contract value. It is conceivable to eat part of that year to move the player to a team that is hoping for the player to rebound. But 3 years or more is an awful lot of contract to eat for any team.

  91. Reacher November 1st, 2008 at 10:37 am

    In deciding how much to pay, for how long, and for whom, one cannot lose site of the Elephants in the Room who require grandiose portions for consumption. Conventional notions are of little moment when it comes to roster composition for 2009 which, will be a watershed year as the New Stadium opens its doors. Coupled with the need to feed the YES monster with that which satisfies the advertising base, the mandate becomes clear…..Success now, exciting baseball, and some level of controversy. Boring does not sell. The value of the Yankee organization is primed to, and must, increase over the next few years….the recession will then be over, a change in ownership or a sale of some of the component parts may be mandated for several reasons, etc. What is ultimately effected will be a bottomline business decision and will not be impacted by the immediate reaction of the fanbase or the press. Be prepared for almost anything….these are the NEW YORK YANKEES.

  92. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 10:39 am

    “Heyman claimed that you retain your pick, despite signing a Type-A, if you lose another Type-A free-agent.”

    Doesn’t sound right KS. As an example, in the 2007 draft, the Jays got the Texas Rangers pick (#16)in the draft when the Rangers signed Frank Cattalonotto. At the same time, the Rangers got the Astros pick (#17)when the Astros signed Carlos Lee. The Dodgers got Boston’s pick (#20)for the Julio Lugo (take a second to chuckle here) signing but lost their own pick at #22 for signing Jason Schmidt.

  93. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 10:44 am

    KS:

    Little closer to home, in the 2006 draft, the Yankees got the Phils draft pick at #21 when the Phils signed Tom Gordon, but lost their own pick at #28 to Boston when they signed Johnny Damon.

  94. Kill.Schill(ing) November 1st, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Is it possible they changed the rule? I wonder what Heyman was talking about then?

  95. BBFan November 1st, 2008 at 11:47 am

    The Yanks likely will ot sign Abrue.

    As a stopgap what are the possiblities of signing Baldelli as a FA. Tampa will not need him as they are loaded in the OF.

  96. Up w/Joba, down w/Joba November 1st, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Damon
    Jeter
    Texiera
    Arod
    Manny
    Matsui
    Posada
    Cano
    Gardner.

    Ouch.

  97. Boston Dave November 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    “Damon
    Jeter
    Texiera
    Arod
    Manny
    Matsui
    Posada
    Cano
    Gardner.

    Ouch.”

    And another early exit from the playoffs because they don’t have enough pitching?

    After watching teams with average to slightly above average offenses make the playoffs over and over again, it should be abundantly clear that we don’t need to score 1000 runs in the regular season to win the World Series.

    Forget Manny unless he does a 1yr contract with vesting options for performance. Only a fool would sign this guy to a multi-year deal. A damn fool.

  98. Boston Dave November 1st, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Pete,

    Could you or someone with knowledge go over the Rule 5 draft at some point?

    I’m curious what players the Yankees will be leaving open to be drafted and who the top players out there are (not that the Yanks would get any of them). I’m sure the Yanks have/had some tough decisions.

    Thanks.

  99. manny(yanksfan) November 1st, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    I don’t care how much money or years they give to TEX or CC, just get it done CASHMONEY!!!

  100. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    KS:

    Just read portion of the CBA that addresses draft pick compensation and the simplest way I can put it is to say that Heyman is wrong or was talking about something else.

  101. Meaningless Stats November 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    I have a feeling that A-Rod recommended Manny to the FO and tried to convince them how much he could help him personally and help a lineup that hasn’t hit in the postseason in years. He probably also said that he could control him.

    A-Rod better control him, because Girardi won’t be able to.

  102. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) November 1st, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Everyone is talking Manny but we all know Tex is the better investment. A gold glove caliber first basemen who hits for average and power is a true weapon. Obviously Manny is a weapon too but a one dimensional one, yes he would hit 40+ HR’s and bat above .300 and get on base at a .400 plus clip. However he is not for the future Tex would sure up 1B for us for the next half-dozen years and I like that security. More important than Tex or hitting is the rotation all of these moves should follow the CC offer IMO.

  103. wolf man (2008 is over) November 1st, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    get manny. even if he quits, he’ll still be a presence in the lineup.

    a non-motivated manny > brett gardner

  104. BX 44 November 1st, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    I think D’Antonio is hurting the team by not playing Marbury.

    Nobody can tell me that he isin’t better than Duhon, Crawford, or Mardy Collins.

    The players know it too, the fans know it, everyone knows it— they are trying to send a message to him at the expense of wins. This was an unnecessary controversy. I blame Walsh more though because he obviously told Pringles to do this so he would accept less in a buyout because he isin’t playing.

    Same old Knicks.

  105. Up w/Joba, down w/Joba November 1st, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Boston Dave:

    Sabbathia
    Wang
    Joba
    Lowe/Mussina
    Hughes
    + another free agent 5th starter/long reliever

    Bruney
    Martre
    Rivera
    Snachez
    Coke

    This may be the beginning of the end of the Red Sox, sort of like in last century when they had a good start….:)

  106. Up w/Joba, down w/Joba November 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    “I have a feeling that A-Rod recommended Manny to the FO and tried to convince them how much he could help him personally and help a lineup that hasn’t hit in the postseason in years. He probably also said that he could control him.”

    I am sure of this.

  107. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    holliday wish list:

    CC Sabathia

    Mark Loretta

    *Garko (or Blalock)

    *Matt Holliday

    *only if above trades made without giving up Ajax, Melancon, Montero, Romine, Brackman, McCallister, Pope and De La Rosa

    (not able to lose the few position players & LHP in the system)

  108. pat November 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    “I have a feeling that A-Rod recommended Manny to the FO …”

    LOL. Because the FO had never heard of him or knew what he could offer a team?

    In order for Manny to have a 1% chance of being a Yankee, multiple current Yankees would have to be traded and multiple free agent signings would have to fall through. Don’t get your hopes up.

  109. RayNFL November 1st, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Well it isn’t my money so I can have an opinion. I say get the following with ** but keep these others:
    SP- **Sabathia/ **Kazmir/ Wang/ Pettite/ (1 of Hughes & Aceves)
    CL- Rivera
    SU- Joba
    RP- Marte/ Coke/ Bruney/ Giese/ Roberston/ Veras or ??
    C – Posada/ Molina
    1B- **Texiera
    2B- Cano (Keep)
    SS- Jeter
    3B- ARod
    U – Ransom
    OF- **MANNY/ Nagy/ Damon/ Gardner/ Matsui
    DH- Rotate Manny/Damon/Matsui

    I would work Matsui & Damon as backup 1B.

    I also would get rid of Girardi as I see him as a control freak junkie who doesn’t understand players! But I know that isn’t going to happen! LOL!

    BTW, I think Kazmir is available. May take Veras plus some prospects in a 3-way trade to get him.

    25 Man Roster
    =============
    SP- 5
    RP- 8
    C – 2
    IN- 5
    OF- 6

  110. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    on target? (projectable top 10 prospects)

    1) Ajax

    2) Montero

    3) Melancon

    4) Betances

    5) Brackman

    6) Romine

    7) De La Rosa

    8) McCallister

    9) Bleich

    10) Laird

  111. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    note: not including any players with MLB experience

  112. mel November 1st, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Late to the party, but if you took a clubhouse poll, I’d bet the majority would want Manny.

    The players just want to win. They don’t care about anyone else’s baggage. They have their own to worry about.

  113. BBFan November 1st, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    “25 Man Roster
    =========
    SP- 5
    RP- 8
    C – 2
    IN- 5
    OF- 6

    That is 26, not 25 :)
    You need to drop an RP.

  114. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    “BTW, I think Kazmir is available. May take Veras plus some prospects in a 3-way trade to get him.”

    I assume when you say “Veras” you actually mean “Phil Hughes”.

    Beyond the chances of the Rays trading Kazmir within the division being roughly zero percent, a package around a dime a dozen reliever like Veras ti get him is beyond laughable.

  115. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    mel: why would you want the RedSox problems?

    Boston pulled every last stop, before finally unloading him. Well knowing, it would likey cost them a 2008 Championship/World Series. And they still moved him.

    not to mention reports (Brandon and others) explaining Manny doesn’t want to play in NYC or a large city. Trouble waiting to happen

  116. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    ti = to

  117. RayNFL November 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Sorry I meant only 5 OF. There are only 25 people on roster. I meant Veras to another team along with some prospects like Kennedy & others to get a person palatable to TB for Kazmir. (That is why I said 3-way.)

  118. pat November 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Heyman gets rankings from Elias.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c......rankings/

  119. mel November 1st, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    vinny-b,

    All I can tell you is that Manny’s wanted out of Boston for years. Years. Why would he be happy there?

    Manny did just fine in LA and he’s from New York.

    Manny’s a winner and he’s clutch. That’s all the players care about.

    I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but it’s foolish to think that Manny wouldn’t help this team.

  120. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    “Well knowing, it would likey cost them a 2008 Championship/World Series.”

    I’d suggest to you that Boston was working under the premise that keeping Ramirez wouuld have cost them a playoff spot.

  121. RayNFL November 1st, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Fredo Corleone

    Sorry I wasn’t more definitive on the Kazmir deal. Veras is a viable RP, but not a cornerstone of any deal. But NL teams like the Rockies need RP & pitching that may translate to TB having some Rockie players that may appeal.

  122. mel November 1st, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    I don’t think Kazmir’s going anywhere. He had problems after the ASB, but he was still considered the ace of the staff that made it to the WS.

  123. RayNFL November 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    If Yanks were to sign Manny, it doesn’t mean it has to be forever. He could be traded again and Yanks pick up part of his salary.

  124. RayNFL November 1st, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    I am living in Tampa area right now & the fans all wanted his spot to be skipped in the rotation & Price has to have a spot along with another possible Rookie next year. So Kaz is really available now because I believe he will be a FA next year.

  125. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) November 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Jose Veras for a young lefty stud like Kazmir, oh wow lol. I believe the A-rod FO Manny push, they are very close and Alex knows that Manny is the most feared hitter in baseball. Manny sitting behind A-Rod in the line-up would put opposing managers into a heck of a pickle all season. Also I think Manny would love to stick it to Boston and have a huge year with the Yanks. Although its unlikely stranger things have happened I never thought Brett Favre would be a Jet but hey it happened.

  126. Up w/Joba, down w/Joba November 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    A great expert of baseball who I think is still respected here, thought enough of Manny’s abilities to get the Dodgers to pull that trade. I’m speaking of Torre though Mattingly said some amazing things about him as well.

  127. mel November 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Ray,

    What does the front office say?

    And since when do the Tampa fans have any interest in roster moves. ;)

  128. Andrea - Just Say no to Manny November 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    I don’t care how good he is. I don’t want Manny.

    Call me naive, whatever you want. I don’t want him.

  129. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    The only starter that Tampa is likely to trade is Edwin Jackson, but, he’s going to cost somebody a lot.

  130. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    “All I can tell you is that Manny’s wanted out of Boston for years. Years. Why would he be happy there?

    Manny did just fine in LA and he’s from New York.”

    Media scrutiny was his big issue in Boston. It’s nowhere close in LA to what is in Boston and the northeast corridor in general.

    Bigger problem with Ramirez is he is a low character guy. You want a crapbag like him in a foxhole with you or do you want Matsui, who puts his heart and soul into his job. Ramirez’s biggest problem was not Boston. It was Ramirez himself. And every MLB team in the business knows it. Fans here have become fond of saying get CC because all he costs is money whereas Santana would cost money and prospects. Well, Ramirez could have been had by anyone for “just money” after the ’03 season at age 32. All 29 teams knew better.

  131. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    “The only starter that Tampa is likely to trade is Edwin Jackson, but, he’s going to cost somebody a lot.”

    Probably doesn’t have quite the command for it, but I’d at least give a look at Jackson as a potential closer if I’m the Rays.

  132. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) November 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    This Kazmir talk is seriously just an overblown wet-dream trade. First of all Tampa would hate watching Kaz turn into an Ace with the Yankees and secondly what are we giving them? Hughes isn’t enough he stunk royally in AFL so it would have to be Hughes/Ajax/Montero and thats too much IMO.

  133. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    “I don’t care how good he is. I don’t want Manny.”

    Ditto. He’s a cancer. The Yankees have enough drama in their lives and in that clubhouse. We don’t need to add Manny’s drama to it. I don’t care how good a hitter he is or what supposed affect his presence in the lineup would do for A-Rod. A-Rod has had monster years several times over without Manny hitting behind him. He can do it again.

  134. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    “I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but it’s foolish to think that Manny wouldn’t help this team.”

    Yes, he would in some ways. He’s a phenomenal hitter. But what would be the cost of that help when it came? How many of the 162 games would Manny be vested in? 100? 20? We don’t know with him. That’s the problem.

  135. RayMagnetic November 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    “He behaved in LA because he wanted a contract. Once he gets it, he will return to being the same loser he was in BOS.”

    This has to be one of the dumbest statements I think I’ve read on this Lohud Blog. Manny Ramirez the “loser” only led Boston to 2 World Series championships. He’s some hell of a loser.

    Hate Manny all you want, but calling him a loser is ridiculous.

  136. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    “The players just want to win. They don’t care about anyone else’s baggage. They have their own to worry about.”

    True, they want to win – especially the old guard. But if the reports that we’ve heard are true about the players being fed up with Cano’s behavior this season, how do you think they’d react to Manny, who can be ten times worse than Cano?

  137. mel November 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Ray,

    How many contenders would’ve liked to have a do-over in ’03? The Angels? The Yankees?

  138. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    “Hate Manny all you want, but calling him a loser is ridiculous.”

    Hey, there are several different kinds of losers. A guy who fakes injuries, doesn’t run out ground balls and bails on his teammates is a loser whether you like it or not. Being a loser doesn’t mean he’s not an awesome hitter – he is and he’s also very clutch. But you can’t just ignore all of the other crap that he does.

  139. Bryn White November 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Take Jeter, Posada out and Manny has more ws rings than the rest of our starting lineup. That cancer can hit

  140. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) November 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    If we are gonna give big money to an OF we might as well trade for Matt Holliday at least hes young and doesn’t hot-dog it. Manny is great but if the choice is between him and a younger more athletic guy (Tex/Holliday) then I have to prefer the younger guy after all aren’t we trying to get younger.

  141. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Green: what-up, brother. Had noticed one of your past posts, mentioning if i ever have a chance to view the minor league teams.

    until 1 year ago, had lived 3+hrs from Tampa. Viewed the Tampa team 2 times (when Kennedy/Joba/Tabata/Cervelli/Miranda were there). I now live in Wappingers Falls NY. Which is 10 minutes away, from the Hudson Valley Renegades stadium (Tampa Rays NY-Penn league)

  142. SoCalYankeeFan November 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Instead of signing Manny at 37, sign Milton Bradley for 3 years. He’s a type B free agent and is 31. Yeah, he has baggage, but so does Manny!

    SoCalYankeeFan 8)

  143. BX 44 November 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Winning is all that matters. Manny helps us win. Bottom line.

    No mortality involved in winning. Players would tell you the same thing.

  144. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    “Take Jeter, Posada out and Manny has more ws rings than the rest of our starting lineup. That cancer can hit”

    Nobody is saying that the guy can’t hit. He can. But think back to that NYY/BOS game late in the season. The game was on the line, Mo was on the mound and Manny was up at the plate. He took 3 balls straight down the middle and never took his bat off of his shoulders. Why? Because he was pissed about something BOS mgmt did. That’s the guy you want wearing pinstripes?

    I continue to be amazed at how desperate you people are to win. You’d think that we hadn’t won in 100 yrs. You are willing to accept Manny Ramirez as a Yankee after everything he’s done. I don’t see how you can be a Yankee fan and want a creep like Manny on the team. It’s mind boggling.

  145. Left Coast November 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    The reason Cano was even an issue is because we were losing. If we were winning, nobody would care. They looked for a scapegoat.

    Manny also has credentials, unlike Cano, so the guys on the team would be much more lenient with him than they would be with Cano.

    This Manny conversation is starting to sound a lot like the Joba one.

  146. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    “No mortality involved in winning. Players would tell you the same thing.”

    Really? You think that Derek Jeter wouldn’t have a problem with Manny not running out ground balls or faking injuries on days that he didn’t feel like playing? Jeter played I don’t know how many games this year injured – yet you think Manny’s fake outs would be okay with him? Again, mind boggling.

  147. joe November 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    get off your high horses

    manny is the greatest RH hitter of our time. a clutch hitter who will make our lineup immeasurably better.

    let him have whatever kind of personality he wants

    as long as we win it will be tolerated.

  148. Tseng November 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    If this is it for Moose then I’m sorry to see him go. Would have been interesting to see if the adjustments he made would continue to meet with success on the field this year.

  149. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    “Manny also has credentials, unlike Cano, so the guys on the team would be much more lenient with him than they would be with Cano.”

    Let me get this straight. So Yankee players don’t have a problem with people bailing on them as long as they are veterans who have WS rings and wicked stats? You’re kidding, right?

  150. mel November 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Laura,

    No one’s desperate here except for the people who say we’re going into a 20 year spiral if we don’t get CC.

    I happen to like Manny. There’s something about him that’s quirky, loveable, and kind of fun. It’s nice to see someone who doesn’t have a stick up the posterior.

    Can we just respect each other’s opinions?

  151. Bryn White November 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Oh the old “Winning isnt everything speech” Last I check, winning was part of sports. Hey I came in third, Yeah but I looked good

  152. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “as long as we win it will be tolerated.”

    It was tolerated by BOS for several years until they couldn’t take it anymore. That’s what you want for your favorite team? You guys are a bunch of posers or trolls masquerading as NYY fans.

  153. O*Line November 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Remember – The only reason Manny dogged it was because he wanted his options declined and wanted his money. If BOS had complied, he would have been fine. He wanted a long term deal but they had options for 2 years and he would have no choice.

    Give him his money and he’ll be fine. A-Rod is his best friend, he will control him.

  154. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    “Can we just respect each other’s opinions?”

    I’m not disrespecting anyone opinions; just scratching my head trying to understand them.

  155. sweet lou November 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Jeter is best friends with Bonds and Clemens.

    He isin’t a self-righteous person. He wants to win he doesn’t care who helps him do it.

  156. RayMagnetic November 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    “Hey, there are several different kinds of losers. A guy who fakes injuries, doesn’t run out ground balls and bails on his teammates is a loser whether you like it or not. Being a loser doesn’t mean he’s not an awesome hitter – he is and he’s also very clutch. But you can’t just ignore all of the other crap that he does”

    Bottom line is during his time in Boston he put up historic numbers and the Red Sox won 2 rings while he was there. His time in Boston was extremely successful for the Red Sox.

    He won more rings in Boston than A-Rod has won during his time with the Yankees. He is a monster of a hitter and even though he hated playing in Boston the only year where his OPS wasn’t close to 1.000 was 2007.

    All the other crap he does doesn’t matter when he puts up the numbers that he does.

    Boston doesn’t win rings without him in the lineup.

  157. mel November 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    O*Line,

    He only requested a trade every year he’s been there. They knew he didn’t want to be there, but kept him because it was in their best interest to. They kept him until he came to despise the place.

  158. Reacher November 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Mel, your comments about Manny are accurate. You’ve pressed some buttons around here and caused the typical knee-jerk reactions…”bad character’ blah blah blah!! They’ll get over it if as and when he is signed or move over to a Mets blog. Or, if really offended, there is Red Sox Nation…they would love to have them.

  159. jax gmen November 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    if you survey the players and ask them if they would rather win with a nonchalant manny or lose with the ‘all heart, gritty, team player’ brett garnder, guess which one they’ll choose?

  160. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    “manny is the greatest RH hitter of our time. a clutch hitter who will make our lineup immeasurably better.

    let him have whatever kind of personality he wants

    as long as we win it will be tolerated.”

    For the millionth time NO.

  161. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    What A-rod wants, Arod gets, and Arod wants Manny. Another step in the quest to make this Arod’s team, not Jeter’s. First Madonna , next Manny to protect him in the order, what more could a guy want except for Jeter to go down and a championship led by the new dynamic duo in NY. Then he can crown himself the new King of the City.

  162. RayMagnetic November 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    “It was tolerated by BOS for several years until they couldn’t take it anymore. That’s what you want for your favorite team? You guys are a bunch of posers or trolls masquerading as NYY fans.”

    Wish I could stay and play longer but I have to run right now.

    Anyway I’m not a poser in any way. Manny was tolerated in Boston because he put up ridiculous numbers.

    He’s never been in any sort of legal trouble and this past year was the only year that he ever had any type of confrontation.

    You may not like him because he seems like a loafer to you but his numbers that he puts up prove that he works hard and he’s a hell of a player.

    I’ll be back later to continue this discussion.

  163. Cobra 272 November 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    If you look beyond the surface, Manny actually has a great personality. He is fun loving, a free spirit, a clown, a guy who has fun playing the game.

    He wouldn’t fit in here with the corporate, wall-street, 9-5 clubhouse that we have nor will be obey the drill sargent Girardi. Thats the problem— Girardi will never control him. This is where we really miss Torre. If we do get Manny, we will rely on A-Rod to police him.

  164. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) November 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    If we don’t get CC its 3rd place again. Seriously I can’t imagine this rotation winning 95 games: Wang(coming off injury cant predict how he’ll do), Joba(on an innings limit of around 150), Pettitte(he declined this year), followes by a combination of Rasner/Ponson/Aceves. I cringed while typing this CC must be made an obscene offer if thats what it takes.

  165. Reacher November 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    There will be 50 addiitonal applicants for season ticket for every anti-Manny holder who opts not to renew if the ManRam comes on board. YES advertising rates will increase, or at the very least, offset any decline caused by the recession. Not to mention the enormous merchandising revenue increase from ManRam gear….that dredlock revenue will go through the roof. Most importanttly, chalk up more in the season W column!!!!

  166. Dr. J November 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    I have an idea:

    Why not sign Manny AND Pedro? Manny really started to go south when Pedro left, they are best buds.

    If Manny has Pedro and A-Rod, two of his closest friends around him, he will behave.

    Basically, give Pedro 1 million dollars to be our long man, and he can help keep Manny in check.

  167. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    “He only requested a trade every year he’s been there. They knew he didn’t want to be there, but kept him because it was in their best interest to. They kept him until he came to despise the place.”

    So the 29 teams who refused to pick him up off of waivers would have traded assets to get him? Is that the what we’re saying?

  168. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Manny means money. Season tix will increase, every game will sell out. Can the neo-Steins resist? That is the question.

  169. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    If your putting the get arguement Manny arguements up then his stay w/ the Dodgers can not be taken serious, he was playing for a payday, he never has had any thoughts of playing w/ the Yankees infact I’m betting when it’s all said and then Philly or Toronto will sign him because those are the 2 teams he wants to play in the most. Manny when the press hounds him becomes a problem, in NY it’s going to happen to him 100 times more than he has ever experienced in his life, no one can say just let him play like he wants he may be from Washington Heights and that won’t be a plus in his career if he is to play in NY for the money. What people forget he was nearly put on the shelf a season ago, he never settles in, the Yankees are above this they don’t have to do this type of move it makes no sense for locker room attitude or any sense for any thought of a blue chipper attitude in that locker room.

  170. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    “The only reason Manny dogged it was because he wanted his options declined and wanted his money. If BOS had complied, he would have been fine. He wanted a long term deal but they had options for 2 years and he would have no choice.”

    Glad this has been cleared up. Ramirez didn’t like the terms of the contract he agreed upon and signed and it was Boston’s fault. It all makes sense now.

  171. Josh November 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    “Boston doesn’t win rings without him in the lineup.”

    Boston got to Game 7 of the ALCS w/o Manny. I’m sure the Yanks will survive w/o him as well. I don’t care if he is one of the greatest hitters. He doesn’t play hard and we don’t need more drama in that clubhouse.

    Focus on Tex and CC.

  172. Reacher November 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Manny will not need policing. This clubhouse is quite different than Boston where he was one of the senior statesmen. He will respect and defer to Jeter, Posada, Mo, Andy (if he is back), and, of course, A-rod. The benefit to A-rod will be enormous…it will dwarf the success Papi enjoyed primarily because of Manny. Also, the Yankees have a history of far better relations with their players than Boston…the Boston situation will prove to be a non-issue as Manny comes home.

  173. James 3D November 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    jax gmen,

    That’s true. The players could care less who was on the team as long as they win. It’s laughable to think Jeter will give up improving the team and giving him a better chance to win over signing a ‘team’ player.

    But this point is moot anyway. Cashman doesn’t have the guts to make a move like this. He would rather lose with Gardner than win with Manny, sad but true.

  174. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    “If Manny has Pedro and A-Rod, two of his closest friends around him, he will behave.”

    That doesn’t matter. Pedro is done. Manny is nearing the end of his career, and will, lets not say may, he will clash w/ Girardi. Francona is one of the loosest managers in baseball and Manny couldn’t get along w/ him, GI Joe won’t fair any better w/ him.

  175. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    “Give him his money and he’ll be fine. A-Rod is his best friend, he will control him”

    LOL

    Arod: the leader

  176. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    “He will respect and defer to Jeter, Posada, Mo, Andy (if he is back), and, of course, A-rod.”

    You sir, are dreaming.

  177. mel November 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    So we’re frauds if we still watch the Yankees, even if they choose to sign Manny? I choose to support the Yankees and whomever takes the field on any given day.

    I don’t renounce my fanship because the Yankees are going to sign so and so. “The day the Yankees sign (fill in the blank) is the day I stop being a Yankee fan” is a popular rally cry here.

  178. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Extremely dreaming. Trick or Treat candy dreaming.

  179. pat November 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    All the talk about the “old guard” annoys me. The Yanks FO, players and fans can sit back and look at the glory days longingly or they can move forward and start making new history. A new Stadium is as good a time as any to turn the page and save the nostalgia for Old Timers Day.

    Some spend too much time worrying about babysitting 24 guys from the evil influence of 1 guy in the clubhouse. I don’t think Manny is the best fit for this team defensively and age wise but I could not care less if he ever spoke with the media or had hung out with teammates in NY as long as he was performing on the field.

  180. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    JAMES 3d
    Since when does Cashman’s opinions matter? This team is run by Hank n’ Hal.

  181. Outlawz November 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    The Boston clubhouse was devoid of Latin players. Guys like Pedroia, Youkallis, Papelbon, Varitek etc. had taken over the clubhouse and disconnected themselves from Manny. He became uncomfortable there.

    Here he has Mo, A-Rod, Posada, Molina, Betemit, Veras, Edwar, Aceves, Marte, Cano, Cabrera, etc. He will fit right in and be comfortable. He is from the Heights too.

  182. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    “JAMES 3d
    Since when does Cashman’s opinions matter? This team is run by Hank n’ Hal.”

    He’s the GM for the next 3 yrs. he didn’t come back to let some owner use him, if it’s like that Cashman will have no problem walking out and leaving them flat.

  183. Reacher November 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Keep at it guys, you are fighting an uphill with weathered arguments. If the Brass decides it wants him, we get him, plain and simple. I find there to be a groundswell of Pro-Manny attitudes (compared to a month ago)….and the momentum will continue over the next month or so.

  184. mel November 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Fredo,

    I’m not talking waiver deal. If they wanted to trade Manny, they could’ve. But they got the best of both worlds. They got 2 chips and they got Jason Bay. Great deal for Boston.

  185. Sevendust November 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    A-Rod will have Madonna place some Kabballah on Manny and force him to obey us.

    A-Rod is our leader now, the face of the team.

  186. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    “I choose to support the Yankees and whomever takes the field on any given day.”

    Absolutely not. Not really the issue here. The issue is does Ramirez make sense for this team. My feeling is NO. Your’s is something else. Doesn’t make either one right or wrong or more or less of a fan.

    Just friendly debatin’ is all. :)

  187. Josh November 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    “Manny will not need policing.”

    Do you honestly expect him to morph into a model player? Manny will ultimately do what he wants once he gets his contract. The guy knew what he was doing in LA – he put up monster numbers and ran hard so he could sign for a lot of money.

    If, by some chance, he becomes a Yankee, he would have to chop off his hair and I would expect him to sit out every game until it grew back.

  188. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    vinny-b (Matt Holliday —– NOT Tex)
    November 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    Green: what-up, brother. Had noticed one of your past posts, mentioning if i ever have a chance to view the minor league teams.

    until 1 year ago, had lived 3+hrs from Tampa. Viewed the Tampa team 2 times (when Kennedy/Joba/Tabata/Cervelli/Miranda were there). I now live in Wappingers Falls NY. Which is 10 minutes away, from the Hudson Valley Renegades stadium (Tampa Rays NY-Penn league)

    _______________________________________________________

    Afternoon, Vinny. Does that mean that you will be a Yankee mole and spy on the young Devil Rays talent?

    I’m looking forward to the Charleston team this year….in particular, Venditte, Maruszak, Rye and Kruml. Brackman, Bleich and Greinke should also be here, so the chances are, the pitching staff should be pretty good. Not sure how far you are from Trenton and Scranton, but, there’s a pretty good chance that some of the Charleston group could be in Trenton by mid summer. It sould be a pretty good draft this coming year, too….at least in numbers.

  189. pat November 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    “What A-rod wants, Arod gets”

    He wanted Mike Cameron for CF last year and the Yankees didn’t do that.

  190. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    “The Boston clubhouse was devoid of Latin players. Guys like Pedroia, Youkallis, Papelbon, Varitek etc. had taken over the clubhouse and disconnected themselves from Manny. He became uncomfortable there.”

    What a bunch of BS. He had Alex Cora, Manny Delcarmen, Demarlo Hale, David Ortiz…what happened in Boston is that he wanted out to get a rich contract.

  191. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    GI Joe is expendable. Remember Buck, cut from the same mold except he wouldn’t play the game. Joe G will for a while until he gets sick of it.

  192. Up w/Joba, down w/Joba (You don't want Manny? ("I'll Call you naive, whatever I want") November 1st, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Manny will change the chemistry in Arod’s favor after that which Jeter, Torre, Giambi and others did to kill his fit into this team.

    I said it on a different thread, clutch hitting depends on chemistry and this will do it for Arod, not to speak of the better pitches Arod will receive with having Manny bat behind him.

  193. Reacher November 1st, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Fredo,

    Your credo must be, “don’t bother me with the facts, I’ve made up my mind”.

  194. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Fredo,

    I’m not talking waiver deal. If they wanted to trade Manny, they could’ve. But they got the best of both worlds.
    _____________________________________________________

    Mel:

    Ramirez was an easier trade with minimal time left on his contract. My point was that when he had several years left on his contract, not only could he not be traded, he couldn’t be given away.

  195. 4 x 4 November 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Manny HATED Boston.

    The fans and media blamed him for everything. Here, they will blame A-Rod and continue to even if we get Manny. You know how the NY media is. He has his 2 rings and that takes away 90% of the ammunition from the media, they can’t accentuate the “He’s a loser, he brings down the team, he’s never won, etc.” argument.

    Thats what Manny really hated, how he was portrayed in the media and blamed for everything. Face it, in Boston, he was the only true star. Ortiz was a beneficiary of his success. They had no other $20+ million dollar superstars to pound. He was the face of the franchise for so long. Here, he is one of many.

    Different set of circumstances than in Boston. He will love NYC much more than he did Boston, this is his home.

  196. mel November 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Fredo,

    No. Seriously, someone called us a fraud of a fan for wanting one of the best RH hitters in history.

    And I’m simply replying that it’s not us who are frauds. What about the person that says, “The day they sign Manny is the day I stop being a Yankee fan”. Is that a real Yankee fan or a Manny hater?

  197. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    “GI Joe is expendable. Remember Buck, cut from the same mold except he wouldn’t play the game. Joe G will for a while until he gets sick of it.”

    That’s right lets have a locker room w/ no control that works best. Veteran players w/ no direction, no ruling, young players w/ no guidance, this is genius ! Please man check the record when GI Joe uses that BP, check the record w/ 3rd unit SP I guarantee you Joe isn’t going nowhere.

  198. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Reacher:

    What exactly was factual about this statement?

    “He will respect and defer to Jeter, Posada, Mo, Andy (if he is back), and, of course, A-rod.”

  199. Z (sign Sheets) November 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Give Manny his money and he will shut up. He will show up playoff time, thats all that matters. We can get there even if he dogs it.

    A-Rod will make sure he will behave. Alex himself is a model citizen so he probably will be able to get Manny to follow his lead.

  200. pat November 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Control Manny? Just let him be who he is and leave it up to management and the FO to keep him focused. Any of the players, whether it be A-Rod, Jeter or Damon- who was his teammate- only need to be there to support him, not police him.

  201. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    The same ones who hate Manny will get over it quickly if we win. As for Jeter, he will adjust. Remember he is best buds with the Rocket and Big G. It’s Arod he can’t stand. At least having Manny around would keep Arod from kissing up to Jete.

  202. X-Mann November 1st, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Tony Pena will be in charge of Manny, not Girardi.

    Besides, its not like Girardi is this disciplinarian, he is actually too soft and too slow to react to trouble, that was the criticism of him.

  203. mel November 1st, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    pat,

    We’re talking about a 3 year old child. He must be policed or he’ll run around without clothes and smear chocolate pudding all over the clubhouse. And keep all the scissors locked away.

  204. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    “The fans and media blamed him for everything. Here, they will blame A-Rod and continue to even if we get Manny. You know how the NY media is. He has his 2 rings and that takes away 90% of the ammunition from the media, they can’t accentuate the “He’s a loser, he brings down the team, he’s never won, etc.” argument.”

    The same crap will happen in NY ! Are you kidding the minute he does one of those Manny being Manny moments the next day everyone will tear into him. You think NYC is going to go easy on him ? Are you out of your mind, can seriously tell me that. My man NY right now is all over Plaxico Burress that’s after 2 weeks, one of these Manny situations happens and talk radio will turn into the bash Manny radio-thon. I think we have alot of PS3 and XBOX players not enough people thinking what the effects on the future of this team it has. I strongly you unplug your fantasies.

  205. Carl November 1st, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    The same ones who despise Manny are the same ones who killed Joba for his DUI and said mindless things like “I can’t root for him anymore, he will never be the same in my eyes etc.”

    A Tiger does not change its spots.

  206. Josh November 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    I agree with Brandon – NY and Boston are probably the two hardest towns to play in. Both have media that will tear any player apart for any reason.

    If anything, NY will be harder on Manny. He proved himself in Boston and helped win 2 WS rings. He has done nothing but terrorize NY.

  207. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    “GreenBeret7
    November 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    vinny-b (Matt Holliday——- NOT Tex)
    November 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    I’m looking forward to the Charleston team this year….in particular, Venditte, Maruszak, Rye and Kruml. Brackman, Bleich and Greinke should also be here, so the chances are, the pitching staff should be pretty good. Not sure how far you are from Trenton and Scranton, but, there’s a pretty good chance that some of the Charleston group could be in Trenton by mid summer. It sould be a pretty good draft this coming year, too….at least in numbers”

    lol. Hopefully the Rays will have less talent to spy, in the next yrs.

    yes. Definitely look forward to making the trip to Trenton and Scranton/Wilkes. Scranton in particular, is peaceful/scenic drive from where i live. Haven’t checked the stadium yet, from what i understand it is an attractive setting

  208. 4 x 4 November 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Brandon -

    The media is after Burress because he is the only lightening rod on the team. The Giants are a blue collar bunch. No controversy at all. He is the easy target, its not like they are a team full of superstars like the Yankees are. Thats the reason he gets killed in Boston, he stands out and is so different from the rest of their team.

    If Shockey, Strahan, Tiki etc. were still here, they would be killing them. He has replaced those guys as the whipping boy, but the hit he is taking isin’t anywhere close to what Shockey took. He was universally despised in NY, he burned all his bridges quickly.

    On the Yankees, he is one of many. The focus is still going to be on A-Rod. Hell, Girardi will take more heat than Manny will, so will Cashman. If things go south, they will get more blame than Manny.

  209. pat November 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    mel

    Hopefully Giambi will be gone this year so someone will need to fill the void of naked chocolate pudding smearing.

    I have no problem cheering for a player, warts and all, when they don pinstripes and some have been alot harder to cheer for than Manny would be. That being said, I don’t think he’s a fit but it has nothing to do with his off field behavior. I would sign him as a DH to a reasonable length contract in a minute but not as a LF for a long term deal.

  210. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Fine. Forget about his behavior, the fact that he assaulted an elderly man, that he only plays hard when there’s something in it for him. We’ve all been saying on this board that we need to get younger and faster. How does signing Manny accomplish that goal? You can’t have it both ways. Do you want the Yankees to be young and fresh like the Rays or you want them to continue to be old, slow and a team that relies on the long ball?

  211. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    I don’t get some of you. What was the problem with the Yanks last year? The pitching? NO. The lack of clutch hitting? YES! What do we need then? The best clutch hitter in the game? YES! The old George would have had him already.
    Sorry to say Hank is a watered down version of his old man so it probably won’t happen. And common sense Hal won’t want it. So forget what Cash and Joe want. Needless to say what Manny would do for Arod in the order. Talk about taking the pressure off. It’s all about winning here and how come I don’t feel like I sold my soul to the Devil?

  212. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    SoCalYankeeFan
    November 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
    Instead of signing Manny at 37, sign Milton Bradley for 3 years. He’s a type B free agent and is 31. Yeah, he has baggage, but so does Manny!

    SoCalYankeeFan

    _______________________________________________________

    Milton hasn’t been able to stay healthy for the last two years and in 2008, played about 25 games in the outfield. No thanks. NYY doesn’t need a DH.

  213. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    “No. Seriously, someone called us a fraud of a fan for wanting one of the best RH hitters in history.”

    mel, I would have thought that you knew that I wasn’t talking about you.

  214. Y26 November 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Has somebody answered where Manny would play exactly?
    Would he play 1st base?

  215. mel November 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    pat,

    LOL.

    Can’t help but think there might be a few more on board for Manny if he were on the right side of 30.

  216. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    This crap about Rodriguez will control Ramirez is laughable. Nobody can control Ramirez is he doesn’t want to play…which is far too often.

  217. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    You guys and gals obviously don’t remember the original Straw that stirred the drink. One Reginald Martinez Jackson. He put us over the top. It can happen again. Other teams have caught up with us. We need a difference maker now, otherwise we could be tinkering for the next 20 years.

  218. GreenBeret7 November 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    ***control Ramirez if he doesn’t want to play***

  219. Z (sign Sheets) November 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Laura, where are we going to get the young players like the Rays? We have nothing in our farm and there is nothing on the FA market.

    It is either Manny or Brett Gardner. It’s not like we want to sign Manny in favor of a younger player with high talent. We don’t have an Upton, Crawford, Victorino etc. available to us. All we have is a .230 hitting 5th outfielder that we cling to because he is fast in an otherwise slow lineup, despite his serious shortcomings.

    If we had some real young talent, this wouldn’t even be an issue.

  220. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    “That being said, I don’t think he’s a fit but it has nothing to do with his off field behavior.”

    pat, his off field issues aren’t the problem, although I’d prefer Yankee players didn’t assault people. I’m talking about how he is as a teammate. That to me is important. I seem to be the only one that finds what he did in BOS offensive. I don’t care that he helped them win 2 rings. His behavior sucks and I’m not going to be happy he’s a Yankee just because he’s a great hitter. I want to win, but we can win without him. Last time I checked, the Yankees had 26 championships and Ramirez wasn’t a part of any of them.

  221. mel November 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Laura,

    I wasn’t talking about you either. People have been saying that for over a month.

    Anyway, there won’t be any problem, this is all hypothetical anyway.

    :)

  222. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    “If we had some real young talent, this wouldn’t even be an issue.”

    Probably. We may not have the young talent that we need in AAA. That’s why Cash has got to do a better job at drafting. I’m prepared to wait for that to happen. I know that people want to win next year. But it won’t be the end of the world if we don’t. We haven’t won in 8 years and the world is still turning. Dynasties take time to build. I’m willing to wait for our next one.

  223. Frontier November 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    How exactly will A-Rod ‘police’ Manny? Would he attach a leash to Manny and take him for a walk to Madonna’s apartment and then tie him to the lamp post while Alex is inside?

  224. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    I strongly suggest some of you unplug your fantasies.

    To think there are people here thinking longterm wise this is a good move ? Are you kidding me ? He’s 37 soon that downside will come, it always does and he’s a lazy fielder.

    This is what I mean w/ bandwagon Yankees fans, these are the situations when they are asking for a young athlethic team and have a chance to finally do it but don’t have the sack to get it instead they turn around asking for HOF/AS in thier late primes at every position and where the hell does that get you ? The whole point is to make this a team that has baseball on thier minds and as a strong priority, you want those Pedroia/Youkilis types then start acting like it. Manny Ramirez is nowhere near that type of player, he will be a sideshow circus in NY and under more pressure than he has ever faced in his life, dealing won’t be easy.

    I also need to add some of you are delusional if you think the press will leave him alone, spanish press and english press has ripped him, he comes to NY it’s going to be coming from all angles, the day after he left the Red Sox spanish media ripped him a new hole, called him a chicken and disturbed player. Expect alot of that but again I don’t expect some of you to understand that.

  225. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    “This crap about Rodriguez will control Ramirez is laughable. Nobody can control Ramirez is he doesn’t want to play…which is far too often”

    and definitely not Arod. The board funny today

  226. O*Line November 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Just make sure all traveling secretaries and employees over age 60 have extra security protection, then things will be fine.

  227. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    The notion that A-Rod is going to have some influence on Manny is truly hysterical. A-Rod has got his own problems. Babysitting Manny can’t be added to his “already too long” list.

  228. RayNFL November 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Mel & Others.

    Tampa is trying to fix what broke down this year. They need a RH Power hitter, Bulpen help & a Closer. They are down on Kazmir because he taxes the bullpen because he only lasts 5 innings. Electric stuff, but wild. His point of delivery changes so he has a mechanical issue that needs help. Tampa is loaded with pitching prospects but their budget is still low. Floyd is gone off their books so they need a replacement for what he was suppose to be.

    Price/Garza/Shields/Sonnanstine/Jackson are their top 5 of course Kazmir could be anywhere from 1 to 5 as well. Also Gross is basically out and so is Hinske. I believe Crawford will be gone as well since he is eligible for FA after 2009 season.

  229. Reacher November 1st, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Plain and simple, Manny made a mistake in signing with Boston, especially for 8 (plus 2); far too long for someone who was not comfortable in the area…he was simply “not Boston material”. Unfortunately, management did not deal with the situation particularly well, and neither did Manny. Boston should have moved him earlier but due largely to the confluence of it’s parochialized mentality and the success enjoyed on the field it did not comprehend the gravity of the situation, and thus permitted the situation to fester upon and following his placement on waivers in October 03.

    His actions in July, though understandable from Manny’s standpoint—he just did not want to be there anymore and wanted an answer from management—, were certainly neither acceptable nor excusable. Boston as it has typically done with it’s fallen stars (Mo V., Clemens, Pedro, Nomar) did not handle the situation particularly well, and what happened, happened. Unfortunately for Manny, Boras’ obvious conflict of interest (since he has to deal with Boston on an ongoing basis and thus cannot advocate Manny’s position vis-a-vis Boston) prevents the public from knowing what really happened behind closed doors. but as we say in this perplexing day and age, “it is what it is”.

    Manny is not a “thug” as he has been called, he is not “Starbury”, he is not Bonds, he is not reprehensible, he is simply “Manny”. He is likeable. I would choose to take him. If the Yankees choose not to, I will be disappointed. Will I still be a Yankee fan, absolutely.

  230. Outlawz November 1st, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Manny needs real Latino leadership, not guys like Alex Cora or Delcarmen.

    He needs guys who are at his level like Mariano, A-Rod, Posada etc.

    Tony Pena is also a much better communicator than the coaches he had in Boston.

    He has the right support system here in NY.

  231. LLIME November 1st, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Maybe Hank will be Manny’s mentor.

  232. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Oh please. What if Manny were 3 years younger? Then it would be fine to get him?You’re talking about one year at a time here. You are rebuilding so you can’t take on the best clutch hitter in the game?, one who would create a monster in Arod, the monster he is now not. Worry about Manny in 3 years after we’ve won 3 titles, then talk to me. He can platoon with his buddy Damon in LF/DH for now.

  233. Mark in Tampa November 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “Arod is Manny’s best friend”

    Does Manny know this? Besides, I thought Enrique Wilson was Manny’s favorite person.

    Actually, I think Manny’s best friend, maybe his only friend, is Manny. On his good days.

  234. RayNFL November 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    BTW, Manny is one of the hardest workers in baseball. He has a great workout ethic & strives to be the best, which IMHO he has been for several years. Manny wants respect, but doesn’t realize it comes from more than his on field talent. So I say sign him.

    Would you rather see him in Toronto? Or Angels? Or Tigers?

  235. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    “Manny needs real Latino leadership, not guys like Alex Cora or Delcarmen.

    He needs guys who are at his level like Mariano, A-Rod, Posada etc.

    Tony Pena is also a much better communicator than the coaches he had in Boston.

    He has the right support system here in NY.”

    No he doesn’t and how the hell your going to tell me this I know more about him than you do and I can flatout say your wrong here.

  236. Mark in Tampa November 1st, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Joltin’ Joe,

    Manny is going to sign for 1 year with an option, maybe; to PLATOON in left? Not happening. Somebody will give him 3 years or more, and that’s what he will take.

  237. pat November 1st, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Laura

    What the media and fans call being a good teammate might not be the same thing that guys in the clubhouse call being a good teammate.

    Again, I don’t think he’s a good fit for the Yankees BUT it’s not my concern how good a teammate he is. That’s for the other 24 guys in the clubhouse and Yankee management to worry about.

  238. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Mark

    3 years, no options 25 per will get him, no one will give more.

  239. Forntoso November 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    If you think about it… Manny is probably the baseball equivalent of Hank himself, thats why he likes him.

  240. Reacher November 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    A-rod was asked, presumably as a friend of Manny, to do a video to be replayed at Fenway in celebration of Manny’s 500th homer. I assume he did it, and further assume that they are friends, casual or otherwise. Though I don’t believe Manny is into the Kabbalah.

  241. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Manny will play everyday either in LF or at Dh, the same for Damon. They would get the rest they need. Nady would play RF.

  242. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    “BTW, Manny is one of the hardest workers in baseball. He has a great workout ethic & strives to be the best,”

    Sadly, this true statement applies only to his hitting. His regard for other facets of the game like defense, baserunning and all that good stuff is pretty minimal and reflects in his play.

  243. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    “Actually, I think Manny’s best friend, maybe his only friend, is Manny. On his good days”

    I don’t know. Know he like playstation

  244. RayNFL November 1st, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Brandon!

    I saw with my own eyes what he did to electrify the Dodgers. In Boston he was a 2nd class player because wasn’t Ortiz and he was a target for Boston fans for years as to why they would lose every year. The last 3 he just wanted to either have his contract redone or released. He got traded & showed what an impact he was to Boston & is to LAD.

    BTW, you don’t know Manny!!!

  245. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Give Gardner a shot in CF. Damon can play there occasionally. Gardner has tremendous speed and is disruptive, can steal 50 bases in the 9th spot.

  246. Mark in Tampa November 1st, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    As far as Kazmir is concerned, IMO they should look to see what they can get for him. His command has been getting worse rather than better, and he has not learned to pitch as rapidly as the Rays expected. Every start it is a major struggle for him to get into the 6th, let alone through it. Plus, with Price moving into the rotation, they are dealing from position of strength to fill holes in RF and bullpen.

    That being said, he would not be dealt to the Yanks in any deal. It also is going to take a lot more than Victor Zambrano to get him back out of Tampa. But, the Rays should see if somebody will give up a king’s ransom for him, if not, hold onto him.

  247. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 1st, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    “The last 3 he just wanted to either have his contract redone or released. He got traded & showed what an impact he was to Boston & is to LAD.”

    …Really…

    “BTW, you don’t know Manny!!!”

    And you do ?

  248. West Coast Guy November 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    As Tim McCarver, during the NLCS, and after calling Manny’s conduct in Boston, “dispicable” stated that, in all his years, he had never seen a batting performance like Manny’s. There is little doubt that he can hit, and given his training regimen, he well may be able to continue it for a number of years. Remember a guy named “Bonds”? He did it into his 40′s. I can see a 4 year deal, max.

    Now living on the West Coast, I watched Manny quite a bit. I must say that I have never seen a performance like his. Neither have Torre, Bowa or Mattingly. You can bet they want him back.

  249. RayNFL November 1st, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Fredo Corleone

    Actually he works on his defense as well. He normally leads the league in assists as he has a rifle arm in LF. He use to be a terrible fielder but now he is about average.

  250. Josh November 1st, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Outlawz – the whole lack of Latin players in Boston is a stupid debate. Besides, you are somehow forgetting to mention the guys that ARE at his level – Ortiz and Lowell. Try mentioning those big hitters instead of a reliever and bench player.

  251. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Ray:

    Manny’s defense stinks and he does not possess a rifle for an arm. Rather he benefits from a very smal leftfield in his home park. He is one of worst outfilders in the game by almost any metric.

  252. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    How can anyone ignore the effect on the order with Manny baating cleanup behind Arod. The crap Arod swings at will be eliminated. Look at the decline of Papi w/o Manny behind him? Do you guys really want to win again? It’s been almost 10 years since we won. You people must be young and don’t remember all the losing we went through in the 60′s, 70s, 80s and 90;s. You think it is a given we will win again. When we won in 96 , I waited 19 years.

  253. Knudsen November 1st, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    For those of you who lament the probable loss of Abreu you might want to check the following.http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....nt-success.

  254. Josh November 1st, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Manny is a horrible defender. He benefited from playing LF in Boston – all he would do is stand and watch balls hit off the Monster and then toss them back to the infield. I remember one game from this season where he attempted a catch and ended up sitting on the ball.

    And while Ortiz was getting fewer pitches to hit, his main problem this year was his wrist. Watch what his numbers will be next year when healthy.

  255. dave November 1st, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    who wouldnt want manny for a one yr deal at a reasonable price? Its when manny starts asking for four to six yrs at his age that negotiations end. Im sorry but we have to stop making deals like that but hank didnt say anything unreasonable. If he told the reporter we would sign manny at all costs that would be over the edge. But just saying the yanks want manny doesnt mean a thing. I think cash would sign every free agent out there if they all accepted one or two yr deals.

    Pete, there is no sign that moose is coming back but is there any sign that he isnt coming back? just wondering.

  256. you gotta have faith (MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) November 1st, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    say no to manny, i beg please.

  257. trisha -DAVID SLEW THE FAUX-GOLIATH! November 1st, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Knudsen, I will lament the possible departure of Bobby Abreu and should he leave will remember him for all the good things he did as a Yankee. For that reason I have no desire to read any subjective poop written by people who probably didn’t have the cachet to write hard news stories and ended up writing sports stories. The majority of them, in my opinion, are junk-stirring blow hards.

    In like manner as I will do about Moose, unless and until I hear otherwise, I will hope Abreu comes back to play for the Yankees. And with Moose unless and until I hear otherwise regarding Moose, I will figure he will be back with the Yankees.

    When you read enough sports columns that end up being sheer folly, you get to the point of considering them less than believable.

  258. Josh November 1st, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Dave – no way Manny signs one year deal. Not happening.

  259. trisha -DAVID SLEW THE FAUX-GOLIATH! November 1st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    “who wouldnt want manny for a one yr deal at a reasonable price?”

    Me.

  260. dave November 1st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    joltin joe – you hafta get on base to steal bases. No one disputes gardners speed or defense – but u should have a pretty good bat to be a starting CF. Check out gardners obp and avg last yr. That wont dramatically improve if he is given a yr of playing time. Gardner is a good speed threat off the bench and a solid defensive replacement in late innings. Lets not pretend he is something that he is not like everyone seemed to do last yr with melky. And i think melky is actually a better hitter than gardner is.

  261. dave November 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Josh, that is what i meant. we would take him with a reasonable deal but he is going to ask for a ridiculous deal so in the end, he wont be a yankee

  262. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and show CC the money (and food)! November 1st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Manny, Manny, Manny…
    No, No, NO!

  263. pat November 1st, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Manny didn’t put up the fight he did this summer to get out of his 2 option years in Boston and make them remove them from his contract in LA to sign a one year deal somewhere else.

  264. Josh November 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Dave – ohh ok, haha sorry. I got two hours of sleep last night and my brain is not exactly functioning.

  265. bigjf November 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Of course all the media outlets picked up on the story and it’s in all the papers today, but Hank was far worse last off-season with the Santana situation. Even this year with the Sabathia situation, Hank is more blunt than this. At least here, Hank has the sense to say that the Yanks are exploring all options and looking at other players. He isn’t just sitting there saying, “I want Manny in pinstripes.” He compliments Manny’s skills and says he likes him personally. Big deal…

    But I’ll give you credit Pete. I saw an article today, I think it was in the NY Times, where they used your favorite phrase, “industry sources,” who claim that the Yankees want to sign Manny and move him to RF.

    I wonder how long it took Manny and Boras to turn down that rumored 2-year $60M deal from the Dodgers…that’s a hell of an offer to walk away from!

  266. bigjf November 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Guys, he’s not going to take a 1-year deal, not if he really turned down that Dodger offer. That one-year offer would have to be for like $60-100M for him to consider it! It seems to me that he’s serious about wanting a long-term deal.

  267. Brad November 1st, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Bryn White
    November 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    Take Jeter, Posada out and Manny has more ws rings than the rest of our starting lineup. That cancer can hit

    - – - – - – - -

    Add Mariano and Pettitte to the list of (4)WS rings.

  268. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    top 10 prospects: agree? Disagree?

    1) Ajax

    2) Montero

    3) Melancon

    4) Betances

    5) Brackman

    6) Romine

    7) De La Rosa

    8. McCallister

    9) Bleich

    10) Laird

    note: only listing players with no MLB experience

  269. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    “You think it is a given we will win again. When we won in 96 , I waited 19 years.”

    I don’t think it’s a given, but I think it’s highly likely that we will win again very soon. I also waited 19 years between NYY championships. It was a long wait. I doubt I’ll have to wait that long again.

  270. Laura - Ready for '09 November 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    I’ve got to run so let me say this before I go. The Yankees have some work to do this offseason. The key acquisition is CC, not Manny. We can debate this until we all turn red in the face. The fact remains that we need to add a pitcher and a REAL 1B before we even think about the outfield. I hope that C-Money has his priorities straight.

    Have a great rest of the weekend!

  271. Eddie in Yonkers November 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Omar Minaya is dumb enough to give Manny anything he wants of Fred Wilpon’s money.
    They will do anything to erase the September collapses of the last 2 years. They would build a special port-o-potty in left field if that is what it takes.

  272. Doreen November 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    I keep reading here that ARod wants Manny. I must have missed the memo. When and where did ARod say he wanted Manny on the team? Or did he just say Manny was a great hitter? Anyone?

  273. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Doreen
    Isn’t it well documented that Arod and Manny are best friends?

  274. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    “joltin joe
    November 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm
    Doreen
    Isn’t it well documented that Arod and Manny are best friends”

    I missed that memo too

  275. yankee21 November 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Vinny;

    Good choices, but at this point I think Jairo Heredia needs to be mentioned somewhere in the top 10. Not sure if I put Bleich in just yet.

  276. dave November 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    arod and manny are best f riends? I dunno how they even would have became friends nevermind best friends?

  277. mel November 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Okay, enough about Manny.

    Did anyone here see “Bella”?

    Mi madre recommended it, saying it was better than “Crash”. (I think she forgot how good Crash was).

    “Bella” was good, but a bit unsatisfying.

  278. mel November 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    CC & Cameron have nothing to do with anything.

    Neither do A-rod & Manny.

    A-rod’s a highly paid employee for the next 9 years, but I doubt he’s involved with personnel decisions at this point.

  279. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    yankee 21: thank you.

    yes. You prolly right. Heredia bein right-handed (and Bleich LHP) led me to overlook him.

  280. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    yankee 21: where would you rank banuelos?

  281. Keith November 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    The distinct difference between Manny and A-Rod is that Manny rarely looks in the stands whereas A-Rod is consumed with looking in the stands to see who is looking at him.

  282. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) November 1st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Vinny-B- Great prospect list, I agree 100%.

    Manny would help this offense alot and make Boston sweat bullets but if the choice is between him or Holliday/Tex for a new offensive weapon you have to be responsible and pay the younger player. The Yankees need to get younger on the field having a 36 year old Manny in the OF isn’t wise for the general direction of this team. Would it be great to see Manny mashing HR’s over the monster wearing pinstripes, hell yeah! However you have to make the logical decision and get a young bat in here.

  283. rackem November 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    “arod and manny are best f riends? I dunno how they even would have became friends nevermind best friends?”

    Well they have plenty in common – they are both egotistical jerks that put individual accomplishments before their teams.

  284. yankee21 November 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    vinny, don’t know enough about banuelos yet, I think he is too raw,,, so got to leave him off.

  285. mel November 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Nick,

    Are you not in Cal? Those playing conditions are bad. The Commisioner should suspend the game.

  286. Doreen November 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    mel -

    What is Bella?

  287. mel November 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Doreen,

    An Indy movie set in NYC & the Jersey shore.

    About a Rico/Mex futbol player whose life is changed when he accidentally hits and kills a little girl who ran into the street.

  288. Doreen November 1st, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    mel -

    Thanks. I think I won’t watch that one. :(

  289. yanksrule November 1st, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Manny would be great because when things are going good on the team hes playing for, there is no one you would rather be playing with, and with him hitting before a-rod it will be hard for things to not be going great.

  290. bru November 1st, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Fredo Corleone
    November 1st, 2008 at 10:44 am
    KS:

    Little closer to home, in the 2006 draft, the Yankees got the Phils draft pick at #21 when the Phils signed Tom Gordon, but lost their own pick at #28 to Boston when they signed Johnny Damon.

    ————————————————————

    the yankees got 2 of phillies picks when they signed gordan.

    because he was a type A free agent they got kennedy in the first round and joba as the second supplemental sandwich pick.not to shabby.

  291. bru November 1st, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    manny ,tex would be great but the yankees have a bad habit of signing players for huge contracts after other teams get the best years out of the player and release them.

    years v25-33 are the best years for the most part.

    we need pitching and decent production out of centerfield,fb.we do not need an all star at every position.

    i want the yankees to at least have a reasonable payroll.

    they have the highest payroll by far and need a lot of work.what does that tell you?

    i would sign holliday but only if matsui or nady are traded,i would consider trading cano.

    what about moving arod to first and signing a third baseman or moving cano to third and signing an infielder???

    the yankees need to fix the starting rotation and get a good enough first baseman and centerfielder.

    i would be worried about signing sabathia for 6 or 7 years,same with tex.

    i would much rather give more money yearly and less years.

    the yankees are in a tough spot.

    if they do not mind a payroll at 180-200 sign sabathia,tex,another pitcher maybe dempster,????? and look into trading for a cf or signing a stopgap player for a year or two.
    hey might have to do a trade with texas for a catcher if posada can’t throw.trade matsui and dh posada.

  292. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    “the yankees got 2 of phillies picks when they signed gordan.”

    They got two picks, but only one was the Phillies’.

  293. bru November 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    signing a 37 year old one dimentional player to more than a year for 20-25 million a year is not the right way to build a team.

    manny helped boston win the ws but their pitching was the main reason.

    Laura – Ready for ’09
    November 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
    “That being said, I don’t think he’s a fit but it has nothing to do with his off field behavior.”

    pat, his off field issues aren’t the problem, although I’d prefer Yankee players didn’t assault people. I’m talking about how he is as a teammate. That to me is important. I seem to be the only one that finds what he did in BOS offensive. I don’t care that he helped them win 2 rings. His behavior sucks and I’m not going to be happy he’s a Yankee just because he’s a great hitter. I want to win, but we can win without him. Last time I checked, the Yankees had 26 championships and Ramirez wasn’t a part of any of them.

    ————————————————————

    the funny thing is if the yankees sign manny and they are in first place in june and manny is tearing it up along with arod you will be loving it.

  294. bru November 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    joltin joe
    November 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
    I don’t get some of you. What was the problem with the Yanks last year? The pitching? NO. The lack of clutch hitting? YES! What do we need then? The best clutch hitter in the game? YES! The old George would have had him already.
    Sorry to say Hank is a watered down version of his old man so it probably won’t happen. And common sense Hal won’t want it. So forget what Cash and Joe want. Needless to say what Manny would do for Arod in the order. Talk about taking the pressure off. It’s all about winning here and how come I don’t feel like I sold my soul to the Devil?

    ————————————————————

    just because they scored a lot less runs and weren’t hitting in the clutch does not mean their pitching wasn’t a problem.

    their pitching stunk and needs a ton of work.

  295. joltin joe November 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    “their pitching stunk?” give me a break. I watched every game and of course the lack of wang hurt but it was not their pitching that stunk, esp. their relief, it was as you said their hitting, so we agree.

  296. Beanietown November 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    I believe ARod/Manny would be more popular to the fan base than Mantle/Maris ever were and as offensive as Ruth/Gehrig.

    I say go for it.

  297. Bret the Hitman November 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 am

    I don’t know if this was a caculated move by Hank but the Yankees expressing interest in a given player drives up said players’ value on the free agent market. If the Dodgers have to pay more for many, then they’ll have less money to lock up Sabathia. Likewise, the Angels overpaying Manny would cause them to cut ties with Teixeira. If I’m the Angels, I’d rather have Manny for 2-3 years rather than Teixeira for 10. The Dodgers have no use for Teixeira but I can see them engaging in a bidding war for Manny, exaggerated by Yankee interest. The Yanks would be left with Sabathia or Tex or perhaps both.

    I don’t think the Yankees want another 35+ year old DH making big money on this team. This applies to Abreu so please, let it go people.

    Thanks.

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