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Philly moves could impact Yankees

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 01, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Philadelphia Daily News is reporting that Ruben Amaro Jr. will replace the retiring Pat Gillick as general manager of the Phillies.

Highly respected scouting director Mike Arbuckle, upset at being passed over, has resigned and will seek a spot with another team.

Gillick is 71 and wants little to do with the day-to-day aspect of running a team. But as one of Brian Cashman’s mentors, perhaps he would be interested in some sort of secondary role as a consultant. Gillick was with the Yankees from 1974-76 as coordinator of player development under Tal Smith. He left the Yankees for the expansion Blue Jays.

 
 

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104 Responses to “Philly moves could impact Yankees”

  1. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    I’ve heard Heyman, Olney and Gamnmons suggest he’d end consulting for the Mariners (tremendous relationship with owners) or the Jays (where his home is). But who knows?

  2. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) November 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    It would be nice to get Gillick back in the organization in some capacity. He seems to bring winning wherever he goes maybe we can be next :)

  3. Oddessy November 1st, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Gillick is the best at finding the role players.

    Bring him aboard.

    He doesn’t even have to stay in NY, he can be in his home in Seattle and do some scouting here and there and recommend things to Cashman.

  4. PAT M November 1st, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Pat Gillick is a Hall of Fame Baseball Executive…..You certainly make a position for someone with his credentials and knowledge…..

  5. Josh November 1st, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    I wouldn’t mind having Gillick back with the Yankees. Sounds like a good idea to me.

    By the way, did anyone see the video of the Palin prank call? I am still laughing.

  6. NITRO November 1st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Wow Texas Tech might choke this one away

  7. Ramon November 1st, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Only if he brings Cole Hamels and/or Victorino with him.

  8. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    SOunds liket he more compelling guy is this Arbuckle. Seems he had a lot more to do with the construction of the Phillies than Gillick has.

  9. jennifer November 1st, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Yeah, all of a sudden they look like garbage. :-(

  10. jennifer November 1st, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Why did he allow so much time to go off the clock?

  11. jennifer November 1st, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    Wow LUCKY!! Just kick it.

  12. jennifer November 1st, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Or throw the ball down field and score a td. :)

  13. vtred November 1st, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    lol They stormed the field twice

  14. jennifer November 1st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    This is crazy, they stormed the field twice.

  15. NITRO November 1st, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Best CFB game of the year.

  16. Fredo Corleone November 1st, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Texas Tech or Penn State as a #2???

    Tech still has work to do. Both Ok and Ok State ahead. PSU has nobody left. Of course they’ve not really played anybody either.

  17. jennifer November 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    How dangerous is that, all those fans storming the field, one person falls they are dead.

  18. Al from BK( CC watch in 2 weeks. Congrats Phillies.) November 2nd, 2008 at 12:09 am

    What did you guys think about the Yanks keeping Wilkins De La Rosa on the roster to keep him off the rule 5? I love the move and I hope he is a fast mover also a quality lefty at age 23 should have every opportunity to climb the ladder glad the Yanks held onto him.

  19. canofan42 November 2nd, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Great game.

    @Jennifer

    You’re right, it’s deadly. I wouldn’t want to be the one who falls…

  20. EricNS November 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Hope he rejoins the Yanks – he played a role in Willie Randolph being acquired in the 70s.

  21. EricNS November 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Penn State played Ohio State – not as good as in past years but still good.

  22. gayle November 2nd, 2008 at 12:17 am

    As big a loss as Gillick is to the Phils in my opinon Arbuckle is the bigger loss. The Phils scouting this year was tremendous. I wonder if any of the other scouts will leave and if so I woul take any of them Gordon Blakey especially for the Yanks.

    Arbuckle could not have been surprised by not being chosen Amaro has grown up in te Philies system sort of like Cashman did with the Yanks.

  23. dave November 2nd, 2008 at 12:56 am

    they r reporting the yanks r abreus first choice. I have the best way for him to do that – take a one yr deal. Simple as that. That will actually prove he wants to stay a yankee. If he want to stay a yankee but only with a long term deal, he is gone because we have too many players who will have to move to dh in a few yrs. We cant afford to add anyone else whos defense is slowly fading to oblivion with another long term deal.

  24. dave November 2nd, 2008 at 12:59 am

    or he could just accept arbitration – how nice would that be of him? Otherwise, he should stop saying how much he loves and wants to stay with the yanks.

  25. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:02 am

    “What did you guys think about the Yanks keeping Wilkins De La Rosa on the roster to keep him off the rule 5? I love the move and I hope he is a fast mover also a quality lefty at age 23 should have every opportunity to climb the ladder glad the Yanks held onto him.”

    He was added because otherwise he could have become a minor league free agent. This keeps him away from free agency, as well as protecting him from the rule 5.

    He’s 23 and in high A ball. He’s only been pitching for two years. he was an OFer before that, but couldn’t hit. he’s still very wild. He won’t be a fast mover, and shouldn’t be. He’s not a “quality lefty”; he’s a very, very raw hard-throwing lefty.

    Sure, good to hang on to. But he’s still a long shot to contribute any time in the near future. So don’t get too excited about him just yet.

  26. dave November 2nd, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Moose,Marte, pettitte, abreu, CC, Tex and burnett are all type A free agents. I dont see Giambis name on either list.

  27. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:05 am

    “Otherwise, he should stop saying how much he loves and wants to stay with the yanks.”

    Well, first of all…they haven’t MADE such an offer yet. And someone asked him if he liked the Yanks and wanted to stay. Should he have lied? Said “No Comment”? Why? He liked it in NY. He’d like to stay. What’s wrong with honestly saying so?

  28. NITRO November 2nd, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Al from Burger King,

    I agree 100% re: De La Rosa. Smart move adding him to the roster over some 26 yr old one hit wonder like Horne.

  29. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:06 am

    “Moose,Marte, pettitte, abreu, CC, Tex and burnett are all type A free agents. I dont see Giambis name on either list.”

    Pudge is a Type B, and Kyle’s not on there either.

  30. dave November 2nd, 2008 at 1:07 am

    What do you guys think CC is going to cost in the end? I think tex is looking for 10 yrs 200 million as a best estimate. He turned down 8 yrs already. I would say CC is more in the 8 yrs 150 million dollar range. Tex will likely be more than cc. I cant imagine the yanks signing both but a fan can dream, cant they?

  31. R-Tek November 2nd, 2008 at 1:08 am

    I still don’t understand why they put Hacker on the 40 man so quickly. If anything, he was ab bubble fodder who might have grabbed the last spot over someone like Jason Jones or someone.

    Hacker isin’t a guy you should protect over someone like Dunn, Garcia, Whelan, Nunez etc.

  32. dave November 2nd, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Whozat,

    He could have said I liked NY and for the right price, i will stay. Going on about how the yanks are his first choice and he loved NY is what he shouldnt have said. Now, he is going to turn around and decline arbitration i bet. That just put players in such a bad light when they do that and he knows the yanks will offer him arbitration. Why wouldnt they? They either get him back for one yr at a decent price which they want or they get two picks which they also want. There is no down side. I know they havent offered it to him yet but they will and when he says no, he will look like a hipocrit. He forced himself into a corner saying how the yanks are his first choice. For one yr, he is the yanks first choice too.

  33. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:10 am

    “I agree 100% re: De La Rosa. Smart move adding him to the roster over some 26 yr old one hit wonder like Horne.”

    A wild, raw reliever in High A ball is more worth a 40-man spot than a guy with a chance to play in the bigs next year, if he can avoid injury? Horne has good stuff, and sometimes spotty command. He also has had injury problems. But, he’s still a much better shot to contribute usefully in the bigs than is De La Rosa.

  34. AZ Four November 2nd, 2008 at 1:11 am

    dave,

    I’d say anywhere from a year (no more than 7) and $20-40 (cumulative total, not per year) million more than the 2nd highest bidder.

    I don’t think the Yankees will just be the highest bidder by a few million and risk CC taking the comparable West Coast offer. They seem ready to blow him away and make it a no-brainer for him.

  35. dave November 2nd, 2008 at 1:13 am

    but what would be the second highest offer? I agree about the 7 yrs. I think that is right in the range.

  36. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:14 am

    “I still don’t understand why they put Hacker on the 40 man so quickly. If anything, he was ab bubble fodder who might have grabbed the last spot over someone like Jason Jones or someone.”

    Otherwise he’d be a minor league free-agent right now. It’s not like this is irrevocable. They can always drop him off later if they want.

    “That just put players in such a bad light when they do that”

    I’m pretty sure no one actually cares. He hasn’t backed himself into a corner at all. No one expects him to take a 1 year deal when he’s the best RFer in the free agent class.

  37. mel November 2nd, 2008 at 1:14 am

    They may be high on De La Rosa. And for the guys who were left unprotected, keep in mind that teams would have to keep them on their 25-man for the year.

    Haven’t looked at the 40 man, but have they removed all te free agents to be?

  38. Mike A. November 2nd, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Stop trying whozat, reason and logic have no place in Yankeeland.

  39. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:18 am

    “He turned down 8 yrs already. I would say CC is more in the 8 yrs 150 million dollar range. Tex will likely be more than cc. I cant imagine the yanks signing both but a fan can dream, cant they?”

    When did Tex turn down 8 years? That’s news to me.

    I don’t think CC will get 7 years. Santana’s was 7, including the last year of his old deal, right? I think CC will get 6, possibly at a higher AAV than Santana.

    Tex…I think he gets 7 years. Of course Boras says 10. But that’s crap. If the Angels come in with a big offer at 7 years, I could maybe see the Yanks going for 8. Hope not, though.

    I think they can and should sign both, hang on to Pettitte and avoid Burnett, Lowe and Sheets (unless Sheets takes a 2-year deal).

  40. Buddy Biancalana November 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 am

    whozat-

    Where have you been?

  41. dave November 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 am

    alrite – I just cant wait to hear that he loves the yanks and NY soo much that they only have to sign him until he is 39 for him to stay. I bet he wont even give any sort of hometown discount. Last thing we need is another 37 yr old DH in three yrs or so. Ajax cant come soon enuff

  42. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 am

    “Stop trying whozat, reason and logic have no place in Yankeeland.”

    I’m bored :-) I moved several weeks ago and don’t have a lot of friends here yet :-)

    Are you the Mike A from RAB?

  43. mel November 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Let Bobby go sign his 3 year with someone else, and when we need a full-time DH, we can trade for Bobby as part of a salary dump. :)

  44. dave November 2nd, 2008 at 1:25 am

    Santana got seven but it was an extension. Zito in his free agent yr also got 7 and sabathia is clearly a superior pitcher. Maybe he will take six – i dunno. Tex turned down 8 yrs and 140 million from the rangers. I think it will take atleast nine to sign Tex – i can see he angels offering eight. Either way Im sure tex is looking for more than CC. i hope they sign both too but we do need two starters at some point and that includes pettitte. The days of relying on Hughes and chamberlain to fill two rotation spots are over. it was a bad idea last off season and its a worse idea this off season.

  45. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:26 am

    “I just cant wait to hear that he loves the yanks and NY soo much that they only have to sign him until he is 39 for him to stay.”

    So…you wanted him to lie? Or publicly state that he would leave a longer, more lucrative offer on the table to stay? All that would do would be cost him money. That’s just silly.

    “Where have you been?”

    Workin’ :-) Also…this place gets overrun by trolls, and it kind of makes it suck sometimes.

  46. AP November 2nd, 2008 at 1:26 am

    For a 26 yr old who has had one good year in professional ball, has a fried shoulder and has been injury prone his entire career, has always had bad command, and is probably projected as a reliever… Horne sure does get a lot of fanfare on this board. The guy looked like Dontrelle Willis with his mechanics this year and got shelled in A-Ball.

    Hacker deserves to be protected over Horne, no question. Hacker has put up better numbers at every stop and doesn’t have the external problems Horne has.

  47. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:28 am

    “Tex turned down 8 yrs and 140 million from the rangers.”

    That was less than 20 AAV, and it was from the Rangers, and it was midseason 2007. Boras wasn’t going to let his boy skip free agency, pretty much no matter what. An offer of 7/160 now is better than that offer was then.

  48. Devil's Advocate November 2nd, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Most publications (the real scouts at Baseball America, Pinstripes Plus, ESPN etc.) see Horne as a reliever anyway, which we have plenty of.

    I don’t think he has a future as a starter here. He is 26 yrs old. He is going to have to leapfrog a lot of people and a lot has to go wrong next year for him to reach the Bronx.

    He should have been dealt last off-season

  49. dave November 2nd, 2008 at 1:32 am

    I hope your right – he had a pretty good season tho. We would be lucky to get him for seven at 160.

  50. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:32 am

    “Hacker deserves to be protected over Horne, no question. Hacker has put up better numbers at every stop and doesn’t have the external problems Horne has.”

    Weren’t we talking about DeLaRosa?

    Anyhow…Hacker’s basically Darrell Rasner. Which is fine. Horne actually has some good stuff, though. He was the next-most MLB-ready pitcher behind Kennedy, Hughes and Joba. He got fanfare (at least from me) because I expected him to be able to make some spot starts last season, at least, and not embarrass himself.

  51. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2008 at 1:33 am

    mel
    November 2nd, 2008 at 1:14 am
    They may be high on De La Rosa. And for the guys who were left unprotected, keep in mind that teams would have to keep them on their 25-man for the year.

    Haven’t looked at the 40 man, but have they removed all te free agents to be?

    ____________________________________________________________

    That’s exactly why the chose to keep De La Rosa. He has 4 quality pitches, he’s only 23, he has control, he’s healthy and he’s left handed. If he had been left off of the 40 man roster and he would most likely have been a 1 or 2 pick in the Rule 5 Draft. A team like Seattle, Oakland or Washington would have taken him in a heartbeat. Them keeping him on the 25 man roster wouldn’t have hurt them, because they aren’t going anywhere. Horne, being injured and with control issues is more likely to slip through.

  52. X-Mann November 2nd, 2008 at 1:37 am

    A bad team like Washington or Pittsburgh will definitely stash a guy like Garcia and let him develop in the pen for a year.

    23 yr old pitcher

  53. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:38 am

    “He should have been dealt last off-season”

    That’s easy to say, in hindsight. But he was supposed to be the first fallback position when Kennedy and Hughes faltered. Injury screwed all that up.

    “Most publications (the real scouts at Baseball America, Pinstripes Plus, ESPN etc.) see Horne as a reliever anyway, which we have plenty of.”

    So what? They should expose him to the rule 5? Relievers are volatile. Veras or Bruney could easily flame out — they too suffer from command problems. Horne wasn’t fetching anything on his own last offseason anyhow. Let’s see if he can get healthy. He can provide starting or bullpen depth if so. Better to keep him than not.

  54. Aardvark November 2nd, 2008 at 1:38 am

    I want Carsten Charles Sabathia and I want him now.

  55. KING FELIX November 2nd, 2008 at 1:43 am

    why not just package all of our rule 5 guys and trade them for matt holliday?

  56. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:43 am

    “He has 4 quality pitches, he’s only 23, he has control, he’s healthy and he’s left handed.”

    Slow down…are we talking about the same guy? The 23 year old in high-A ball? The one who moved to the mound two years ago? He doesn’t have good control. He throws hard and he’s lefty. So he strikes out a lot of free-swinging kids down in the low minors. He had plenty of games where he walked a ton of guy, and others where he struck out tons. Far from consistent. I don’t see how he’d have 4 quality offerings yet either. Maybe promising ones, but he’s still REALLY raw.

    This is not to say they shouldn’t protect him. Just that people are getting way, way ahead of themselves on this kid.

  57. mel November 2nd, 2008 at 1:44 am

    GB7,

    Isn’t Adam Loewen the converted pitcher from the O’s?

    If it is, he’s playing 1B in Hawaii.

  58. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:46 am

    “why not just package all of our rule 5 guys and trade them for matt holliday?”

    Cashman is an idiot for not doing this already. Get it done!

  59. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:47 am

    “If it is, he’s playing 1B in Hawaii.”

    Huh. From pitching to corner OF to 1B. He’d better be a heck of a hitter if he’s going to become a LF/1B type :-)

    Who picked him up, again?

  60. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2008 at 1:47 am

    Yes he is, Mel. He had his first hit last night and playing right field…which is a surprise since he had an elbow and shoulder injury.

  61. Buddy Biancalana November 2nd, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Jays got Loewen

  62. Oddessy November 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 am

    Instead of speculating on who will be added to the 40 man, lets speculate on who will be dropped.

    Candidates:

    (Pudge, Giambi, Abreu, Pavano, Ponson all FAs)

    Britton
    Rasner
    Duncan
    Giese
    Betemit
    Albaladejo
    Christian
    Wright
    Moller

  63. Jeff November 2nd, 2008 at 1:52 am

    The only reason they protected De La Rosa is probably because they had to— he was a 6 yr free agent not a rule 5 guy. He could have signed with any other team outright. He probably asked them to add him to the 40 man to give him some security and they complied because they didn’t want to lose him.

    If he was a rule 5 guy, I think they would have left him unprotected. He only started 2 games in Low A. I don’t think a team would take a guy who was THAT raw.

  64. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 1:53 am

    “Moller”

    He already filed for FA. As for Albaladejo, I don’t think they’ll drop him. Girardi was getting confident in him when he went down with the elbow injury.

    What of Karstens? I figure he’ll go. Giese…is he not a free agent? I’d hang on to him, if not. He seems like a really good swingman, especially to soak up innings after Joba or CC…that kind of heat, followed by Giese seems like a great contrast.

  65. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2008 at 1:54 am

    whozat
    November 2nd, 2008 at 1:43 am
    “He has 4 quality pitches, he’s only 23, he has control, he’s healthy and he’s left handed.”

    Slow down…are we talking about the same guy? The 23 year old in high-A ball? The one who moved to the mound two years ago? He doesn’t have good control. He throws hard and he’s lefty. So he strikes out a lot of free-swinging kids down in the low minors. He had plenty of games where he walked a ton of guy, and others where he struck out tons. Far from consistent. I don’t see how he’d have 4 quality offerings yet either. Maybe promising ones, but he’s still REALLY raw.

    This is not to say they shouldn’t protect him. Just that people are getting way, way ahead of themselves on this kid.

    _____________________________________________________

    Where do you get your information from? He didn’t have any control issues this year in Charleston or Tampa. He walked about 3.5 a per 9 innings, but, he strikes out almost 11 per 9 innings. He gives up very few hits and almost no home runs.

    One other thing…have you even seen him pitch before?

  66. Jeff November 2nd, 2008 at 1:57 am

    whozat,

    Karstens was traded in the Nady/Marte deal…

  67. NITRO November 2nd, 2008 at 2:00 am

    Ok everyone, it’s 2 AM on the East Coast. Time to move your clocks back an hour.

  68. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2008 at 2:00 am

    Jeff
    November 2nd, 2008 at 1:52 am
    The only reason they protected De La Rosa is probably because they had to—- he was a 6 yr free agent not a rule 5 guy. He could have signed with any other team outright. He probably asked them to add him to the 40 man to give him some security and they complied because they didn’t want to lose him.

    If he was a rule 5 guy, I think they would have left him unprotected. He only started 2 games in Low A. I don’t think a team would take a guy who was THAT raw.

    __________________________________________________________

    He had 8 starts in Charleston and 3 in Tampa. They broke him in as a relief pitcher to keep his innings down. An ERa under 2 and a whip just over 1. 125 strikeouts in 106 innings. He has a 94-96 MPH fastball, a slider, a curve and a Bugs Bunny change-up that is as good as Ramirez.

  69. mel November 2nd, 2008 at 2:02 am

    whozat,

    Really? That’s how invisible Karstens is. Anyone remember the Torre/Karstens joke? I forget what it was, but it was pretty funny.

  70. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 2:03 am

    “Where do you get your information from?”

    RAB. Reading his game logs, he tended to walk a bunch of guys in one game, and then not in the next. The definition of inconsistent. Overall, it came out looking ok. But it certainly didn’t seem like he demonstrated consistent command of his stuff. The guy’s been pitching for two years. It’s not surprising.

    I’ve never seen him pitch, no. I do the best I can with the info available to me. I’m not saying he sucks. I’m saying he’s raw and facing very immature competition.

  71. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 2:03 am

    “Karstens was traded in the Nady/Marte deal…”

    Ha! Oh yeah!

  72. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2008 at 2:04 am

    November 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 am
    Instead of speculating on who will be added to the 40 man, lets speculate on who will be dropped.

    Candidates:

    (Pudge, Giambi, Abreu, Pavano, Ponson all FAs)

    Britton
    Rasner
    Duncan
    Giese
    Betemit
    Albaladejo
    Christian
    Wright
    Moller

    _______________________________________________________

    Betemit, Christian, Giese and Albaladejo will all most likely be protected. Rasner, Wright and Britton may very well be traded.

  73. mel November 2nd, 2008 at 2:04 am

    Nitro,

    Really?

    (Fist-pump!)

    Laker games are now only 2 hours ahead.

  74. X-Mann November 2nd, 2008 at 2:04 am

    Green Barret,

    Thanks for that post. I was wondering about DLR’s secondary pitches. A changeup as good as Ramirez’ and a 96 MPH fastball?

    Wow.

  75. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 2:08 am

    “He has a 94-96 MPH fastball, a slider, a curve and a Bugs Bunny change-up that is as good as Ramirez.”

    When did you see him pitch?

  76. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2008 at 2:08 am

    whozat
    November 2nd, 2008 at 2:03 am
    “Where do you get your information from?”

    RAB. Reading his game logs, he tended to walk a bunch of guys in one game, and then not in the next. The definition of inconsistent. Overall, it came out looking ok. But it certainly didn’t seem like he demonstrated consistent command of his stuff. The guy’s been pitching for two years. It’s not surprising.

    I’ve never seen him pitch, no. I do the best I can with the info available to me. I’m not saying he sucks. I’m saying he’s raw and facing very immature competition.

    _______________________________________________________

    Instead of reading about De La Rosa, you need to watch him. That report that that fool wrote was done before the season started. He’s very polished for only 1 and a half years on the mound. He’s also about a year older as the rest of the players in that league.

  77. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2008 at 2:12 am

    whozat
    November 2nd, 2008 at 2:08 am
    “He has a 94-96 MPH fastball, a slider, a curve and a Bugs Bunny change-up that is as good as Ramirez.”

    When did you see him pitch?

    _______________________________________________________

    9 relief appearances and 5 starts in the Charleston, Savannah and Columbus in the SALLY League and 1 of his starts in Tampa.

  78. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2008 at 2:16 am

    X-Mann
    November 2nd, 2008 at 2:04 am
    Green Barret,

    Thanks for that post. I was wondering about DLR’s secondary pitches. A changeup as good as Ramirez’ and a 96 MPH fastball?

    Wow.

    ______________________________________________________–

    Most of the time his fastball is in the 93-94 range until the end of his starts and then he cuts it loose. Charleston has a great closer, Jonathan Ortiz with a 91-92 MPH fastball and the same change-up…great control and a definate strikeout pitcher

  79. whozat November 2nd, 2008 at 2:22 am

    “That report that that fool wrote was done before the season started.”

    Which fool?

    Also…I wasn’t going off of a year old report. I was talking about what happened in his games. He’d have games where he walked the park, and others where he didn’t. Against very undisciplined hitters. When a guy has powerful stuff, 20 year olds are pretty easy to strike out. I’m not saying they shouldn’t hang on to him. I’m saying that he’s raw. If they bump him to AA next year, and he’s got a K:BB of 3:1…awesome. But…I think it’s reasonable to be skeptical when a guy who’s been pitching for a year and a half is referred to as having “great control”

  80. pat November 2nd, 2008 at 2:41 am

    A hearing in the Clemens/McNamee case is scheduled for Monday.

    Initial reaction may be who cares but McNamee’s attorney has said he will be seeking depositions from many of Clemens’ teammates when he was with the Yankees.

    Let’s hope the suit is dropped or if it is going to happen the depositions will be done before the season starts.

  81. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2008 at 2:43 am

    De La Rosa will most likely start back in Tampa for the first month or two, and then move up to Trenton. Most of his strikeouts are swing and miss, but, he does have great control. He only had 3 starts with more than 3 walks. The aveage age in the SALLY League is just under 22, which makes De la Rosa not much older than them. Take into account that he’s only been pitching for a year and a half, it’s not like he’s taking advantage of them with his vast experience.

  82. mel November 2nd, 2008 at 2:50 am

    pat,

    What’re you doing up so late?

  83. ANSKY November 2nd, 2008 at 8:58 am

    Pat –
    Who are Clemens & McNamee?
    Nobody of sgnificance.

  84. DonnieBaseballHallofFame November 2nd, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Stand Pat has been a great baseball guy for many years. We could use him in house as a consultant but we could also use Stick Michael. Michael’s voice is NEVER ever listened to, but it should be.

    He was all for the Santana deal. And that is a deal that should have been made.

    I wonder where he stood on the Igawa deal???? Anybody know?

  85. murphydog November 2nd, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Re: Clemens and McNamee

    Jeez. Who is paying McNamee’s legal bills? John Henry and Larry Lucchino? Free publicity only goes so far.

    I’m assuming that the recently threatened depositions of Roger’s former teammates are regarding Clemens’ reputation and his claim for damages rather than more steroids stuff. My guess is that McNamee took his last best shot with the soda can and used needles – which I don’t recall hearing anything else about. IMO if McNamee really had the steroid or amphetamine goods on any remaining Yankees he would have used the info by now so I’m not really worried about much more collateral damage. But you never know for sure until you hear the questions.

    But I wouldn’t worry too much about the depositions affecting Yankee teammates of Clemens. A lot of Rocket’s former teammates are millionaires who will hire expensive lawyers who know how to handle this kind of thing. Moreover, the depositions won’t take very long when most of the answers are “I don’t know” or “I don’t recall.” By the same token, don’t expect many players to come out in support of Rocket at the depositions. Nobody else has a dog in this fight and no one is happy about having to get involved in this nonsense.

  86. Gary November 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 am

    Convince Mike Arbuckle to come on board in the Yankee scouting department or as an advisor to Cashman.
    Just 2 weeks ago it was said the front office would have additional help so here’s another chance.
    Livesly was a good start.

  87. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 am

    NYY did not pick up Marte’s option (per NY Post)

    why?

    based on 2 months in the bronx? The effectivness of a relief pitcher, fluctuates every year. And NYY have coveted him/attempted to trade for him for 6 years. You decline his option, based on a 2 month stint?

    apparently Coke will not get a chance to be a starter.

  88. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 2nd, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Gary: while having Cashman’s back, from the beginning, i have to agree.

    unlikely, tho. I don’t expect he would join the yankees for only $$$$ (ie, they can’t promise him with a GM title). Unless, you believe they would offer him Oppenheimer’s position. I don’t see how it would fit.

    maybe SJ44 will have insight

  89. vin November 2nd, 2008 at 10:26 am

    I’d love to see Cash make a move for Ramon Martinez. I think him plus Cody Ransom would start to make for a pretty versatile bench.

  90. Fredo Corleone November 2nd, 2008 at 10:34 am

    Vinny”

    Marte is not a $6M pitcher. I’d guess the Yankees will work with him on a 2-3 yr deal in the $3.5M to $4M per season range. I believe the Yankees will still have a two week long exclusive negotiating window before other teams can talk to him. I hope they get something done within those two weeks because otherwise, the Mets will be on him like ticks on a bird dog.

  91. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 2nd, 2008 at 10:36 am

    “A good scout not only knows what players to sign and develop but which ones to trade” (per NY Post)

    do we have these scouts? I don’t know. Considering the abudance of pitching we have in the minors, the Rule 5 draft, and holes needed to be filled on the ML club – they better!

  92. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 2nd, 2008 at 10:39 am

    fredo: hopefully, they work it out.

    I love draft picks, however the 2009 class is reportedly a weak one, and NYY should have plenty of picks, as it is.

  93. SJ44 November 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 am

    6 million for a lefty specialist is stupid money. That’s why the option wasn’t picked up.

    I think they will offer him a 2 year deal. Will be interesting to see if he takes it. He did enjoy being back with the Yankees. Now, we find out how much.

  94. Alex November 2nd, 2008 at 11:08 am

    the thing is, Marte isn’t just a lefty specialist, he is a quality late inning reliever. If the Yankees lose Marte because they didn’t pick up his option, i can see them regretting it later on.

  95. SJ44 November 2nd, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Make a list of every non-closer in the game making 6 milllion or more per season. You will see few guys giving you a big bang for that buck.

    Historically, non-closers are a fragile and uneven bunch.

    That kind of money can be put to better use in filling out the roster.

  96. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 2nd, 2008 at 11:27 am

    SJ: good to see you.

    do you see any potential for Mike Arbuckle or Pat Gillick, joining NYY ?

  97. yankee21 November 2nd, 2008 at 11:41 am

    I think the better question is are the Yankees prepared to invest in the front office, scouting department etc.. to round out the depth of help Cashman has to make sound decisions going forth.

    The Yankees are clearly 2nd rate in the FO compared to all I have heard of CLE, BOS, TB and PHIL, to name a few.

    Rather than focusing on any individual (Gillick, Arbuckle, other) they need to focus on beefing up the decision making/fact finding infrastructure. Only if they have a commitment to doing this, will they know who makes a good fit.

    Cashman has a good vision IMO,, but he needs help in executing it.

  98. Alex November 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 am

    SJ, that’s true… but there are countless relievers making 4-4.5 million a year, and let’s not forget just last year, the Yankees gave Latroy Hawkins a nice 3.75 million dollar deal… and Marte looks to be of much greater value.

    Two of the players who make 5-6 a year are Tom Gordon and Kyle Farnsworth (i’d take Marte over both in a heartbeat).

  99. hurricane boy November 2nd, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    loool the yanks have spent years trying to find a quality lefty reliever and now they have one they gonna let him go.

    so whats the trade tabata and that pitcher for nady? LOOOOOOL
    nady will hit .270 next year, count on it…

  100. vinny-b (Matt Holliday ----- NOT Tex) November 2nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    yankee 21: when had mentioned Gillick & Arbuckle, i had intended to in the context of advisory roles.

    I don’t really know much, far as how front offices/scouting departments are structured. Tho, when you see talent like that available, you want it to move to your favorite team.

  101. Therston November 2nd, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    IF Marte walks and Nady becomes a 4th outfielder in quality…with Tabata going the other way and the Yankees having a need for quality young cheap position players especially in the OF, that trade goes south fast.

  102. SJ44 November 2nd, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Vinny,

    I posted two weeks ago that the Yankees should make a big play for Pat and Gordon Lakey’s (Pat’s right hand man) services. Bill Livesey in essence takes the Lakey role. Both men are very talented.

    Pat? Wouldn’t shock me if Cash talks to him.

    Arbuckle? Love to have him but I suspect he will have better offers this off-season.

  103. saucY November 21st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    @ testing testing @

    testing testing

    *testing testing*

    -testing testing-

  104. saucY November 21st, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    %testing testing%


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