Philly moves could impact Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 01, 2008 
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The Philadelphia Daily News is reporting that Ruben Amaro Jr. will replace the retiring Pat Gillick as general manager of the Phillies.
Highly respected scouting director Mike Arbuckle, upset at being passed over, has resigned and will seek a spot with another team.
Gillick is 71 and wants little to do with the day-to-day aspect of running a team. But as one of Brian Cashman’s mentors, perhaps he would be interested in some sort of secondary role as a consultant. Gillick was with the Yankees from 1974-76 as coordinator of player development under Tal Smith. He left the Yankees for the expansion Blue Jays.
I’ve heard Heyman, Olney and Gamnmons suggest he’d end consulting for the Mariners (tremendous relationship with owners) or the Jays (where his home is). But who knows?
It would be nice to get Gillick back in the organization in some capacity. He seems to bring winning wherever he goes maybe we can be next
Gillick is the best at finding the role players.
Bring him aboard.
He doesn’t even have to stay in NY, he can be in his home in Seattle and do some scouting here and there and recommend things to Cashman.
Pat Gillick is a Hall of Fame Baseball Executive…..You certainly make a position for someone with his credentials and knowledge…..
I wouldn’t mind having Gillick back with the Yankees. Sounds like a good idea to me.
By the way, did anyone see the video of the Palin prank call? I am still laughing.
Wow Texas Tech might choke this one away
Only if he brings Cole Hamels and/or Victorino with him.
SOunds liket he more compelling guy is this Arbuckle. Seems he had a lot more to do with the construction of the Phillies than Gillick has.
Yeah, all of a sudden they look like garbage.
Why did he allow so much time to go off the clock?
Wow LUCKY!! Just kick it.
Or throw the ball down field and score a td.
lol They stormed the field twice
This is crazy, they stormed the field twice.
Best CFB game of the year.
Texas Tech or Penn State as a #2???
Tech still has work to do. Both Ok and Ok State ahead. PSU has nobody left. Of course they’ve not really played anybody either.
How dangerous is that, all those fans storming the field, one person falls they are dead.
What did you guys think about the Yanks keeping Wilkins De La Rosa on the roster to keep him off the rule 5? I love the move and I hope he is a fast mover also a quality lefty at age 23 should have every opportunity to climb the ladder glad the Yanks held onto him.
Great game.
@Jennifer
You’re right, it’s deadly. I wouldn’t want to be the one who falls…
Hope he rejoins the Yanks – he played a role in Willie Randolph being acquired in the 70s.
Penn State played Ohio State – not as good as in past years but still good.
As big a loss as Gillick is to the Phils in my opinon Arbuckle is the bigger loss. The Phils scouting this year was tremendous. I wonder if any of the other scouts will leave and if so I woul take any of them Gordon Blakey especially for the Yanks.
Arbuckle could not have been surprised by not being chosen Amaro has grown up in te Philies system sort of like Cashman did with the Yanks.
they r reporting the yanks r abreus first choice. I have the best way for him to do that – take a one yr deal. Simple as that. That will actually prove he wants to stay a yankee. If he want to stay a yankee but only with a long term deal, he is gone because we have too many players who will have to move to dh in a few yrs. We cant afford to add anyone else whos defense is slowly fading to oblivion with another long term deal.
or he could just accept arbitration – how nice would that be of him? Otherwise, he should stop saying how much he loves and wants to stay with the yanks.
“What did you guys think about the Yanks keeping Wilkins De La Rosa on the roster to keep him off the rule 5? I love the move and I hope he is a fast mover also a quality lefty at age 23 should have every opportunity to climb the ladder glad the Yanks held onto him.”
He was added because otherwise he could have become a minor league free agent. This keeps him away from free agency, as well as protecting him from the rule 5.
He’s 23 and in high A ball. He’s only been pitching for two years. he was an OFer before that, but couldn’t hit. he’s still very wild. He won’t be a fast mover, and shouldn’t be. He’s not a “quality lefty”; he’s a very, very raw hard-throwing lefty.
Sure, good to hang on to. But he’s still a long shot to contribute any time in the near future. So don’t get too excited about him just yet.
Moose,Marte, pettitte, abreu, CC, Tex and burnett are all type A free agents. I dont see Giambis name on either list.
“Otherwise, he should stop saying how much he loves and wants to stay with the yanks.”
Well, first of all…they haven’t MADE such an offer yet. And someone asked him if he liked the Yanks and wanted to stay. Should he have lied? Said “No Comment”? Why? He liked it in NY. He’d like to stay. What’s wrong with honestly saying so?
Al from Burger King,
I agree 100% re: De La Rosa. Smart move adding him to the roster over some 26 yr old one hit wonder like Horne.
“Moose,Marte, pettitte, abreu, CC, Tex and burnett are all type A free agents. I dont see Giambis name on either list.”
Pudge is a Type B, and Kyle’s not on there either.
What do you guys think CC is going to cost in the end? I think tex is looking for 10 yrs 200 million as a best estimate. He turned down 8 yrs already. I would say CC is more in the 8 yrs 150 million dollar range. Tex will likely be more than cc. I cant imagine the yanks signing both but a fan can dream, cant they?
I still don’t understand why they put Hacker on the 40 man so quickly. If anything, he was ab bubble fodder who might have grabbed the last spot over someone like Jason Jones or someone.
Hacker isin’t a guy you should protect over someone like Dunn, Garcia, Whelan, Nunez etc.
Whozat,
He could have said I liked NY and for the right price, i will stay. Going on about how the yanks are his first choice and he loved NY is what he shouldnt have said. Now, he is going to turn around and decline arbitration i bet. That just put players in such a bad light when they do that and he knows the yanks will offer him arbitration. Why wouldnt they? They either get him back for one yr at a decent price which they want or they get two picks which they also want. There is no down side. I know they havent offered it to him yet but they will and when he says no, he will look like a hipocrit. He forced himself into a corner saying how the yanks are his first choice. For one yr, he is the yanks first choice too.
“I agree 100% re: De La Rosa. Smart move adding him to the roster over some 26 yr old one hit wonder like Horne.”
A wild, raw reliever in High A ball is more worth a 40-man spot than a guy with a chance to play in the bigs next year, if he can avoid injury? Horne has good stuff, and sometimes spotty command. He also has had injury problems. But, he’s still a much better shot to contribute usefully in the bigs than is De La Rosa.
dave,
I’d say anywhere from a year (no more than 7) and $20-40 (cumulative total, not per year) million more than the 2nd highest bidder.
I don’t think the Yankees will just be the highest bidder by a few million and risk CC taking the comparable West Coast offer. They seem ready to blow him away and make it a no-brainer for him.
but what would be the second highest offer? I agree about the 7 yrs. I think that is right in the range.
“I still don’t understand why they put Hacker on the 40 man so quickly. If anything, he was ab bubble fodder who might have grabbed the last spot over someone like Jason Jones or someone.”
Otherwise he’d be a minor league free-agent right now. It’s not like this is irrevocable. They can always drop him off later if they want.
“That just put players in such a bad light when they do that”
I’m pretty sure no one actually cares. He hasn’t backed himself into a corner at all. No one expects him to take a 1 year deal when he’s the best RFer in the free agent class.
They may be high on De La Rosa. And for the guys who were left unprotected, keep in mind that teams would have to keep them on their 25-man for the year.
Haven’t looked at the 40 man, but have they removed all te free agents to be?
Stop trying whozat, reason and logic have no place in Yankeeland.
“He turned down 8 yrs already. I would say CC is more in the 8 yrs 150 million dollar range. Tex will likely be more than cc. I cant imagine the yanks signing both but a fan can dream, cant they?”
When did Tex turn down 8 years? That’s news to me.
I don’t think CC will get 7 years. Santana’s was 7, including the last year of his old deal, right? I think CC will get 6, possibly at a higher AAV than Santana.
Tex…I think he gets 7 years. Of course Boras says 10. But that’s crap. If the Angels come in with a big offer at 7 years, I could maybe see the Yanks going for 8. Hope not, though.
I think they can and should sign both, hang on to Pettitte and avoid Burnett, Lowe and Sheets (unless Sheets takes a 2-year deal).
whozat-
Where have you been?
alrite – I just cant wait to hear that he loves the yanks and NY soo much that they only have to sign him until he is 39 for him to stay. I bet he wont even give any sort of hometown discount. Last thing we need is another 37 yr old DH in three yrs or so. Ajax cant come soon enuff
“Stop trying whozat, reason and logic have no place in Yankeeland.”
I’m bored
I moved several weeks ago and don’t have a lot of friends here yet 
Are you the Mike A from RAB?
Let Bobby go sign his 3 year with someone else, and when we need a full-time DH, we can trade for Bobby as part of a salary dump.
Santana got seven but it was an extension. Zito in his free agent yr also got 7 and sabathia is clearly a superior pitcher. Maybe he will take six – i dunno. Tex turned down 8 yrs and 140 million from the rangers. I think it will take atleast nine to sign Tex – i can see he angels offering eight. Either way Im sure tex is looking for more than CC. i hope they sign both too but we do need two starters at some point and that includes pettitte. The days of relying on Hughes and chamberlain to fill two rotation spots are over. it was a bad idea last off season and its a worse idea this off season.
“I just cant wait to hear that he loves the yanks and NY soo much that they only have to sign him until he is 39 for him to stay.”
So…you wanted him to lie? Or publicly state that he would leave a longer, more lucrative offer on the table to stay? All that would do would be cost him money. That’s just silly.
“Where have you been?”
Workin’
Also…this place gets overrun by trolls, and it kind of makes it suck sometimes.
For a 26 yr old who has had one good year in professional ball, has a fried shoulder and has been injury prone his entire career, has always had bad command, and is probably projected as a reliever… Horne sure does get a lot of fanfare on this board. The guy looked like Dontrelle Willis with his mechanics this year and got shelled in A-Ball.
Hacker deserves to be protected over Horne, no question. Hacker has put up better numbers at every stop and doesn’t have the external problems Horne has.
“Tex turned down 8 yrs and 140 million from the rangers.”
That was less than 20 AAV, and it was from the Rangers, and it was midseason 2007. Boras wasn’t going to let his boy skip free agency, pretty much no matter what. An offer of 7/160 now is better than that offer was then.
Most publications (the real scouts at Baseball America, Pinstripes Plus, ESPN etc.) see Horne as a reliever anyway, which we have plenty of.
I don’t think he has a future as a starter here. He is 26 yrs old. He is going to have to leapfrog a lot of people and a lot has to go wrong next year for him to reach the Bronx.
He should have been dealt last off-season
I hope your right – he had a pretty good season tho. We would be lucky to get him for seven at 160.
“Hacker deserves to be protected over Horne, no question. Hacker has put up better numbers at every stop and doesn’t have the external problems Horne has.”
Weren’t we talking about DeLaRosa?
Anyhow…Hacker’s basically Darrell Rasner. Which is fine. Horne actually has some good stuff, though. He was the next-most MLB-ready pitcher behind Kennedy, Hughes and Joba. He got fanfare (at least from me) because I expected him to be able to make some spot starts last season, at least, and not embarrass himself.
mel
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:14 am
They may be high on De La Rosa. And for the guys who were left unprotected, keep in mind that teams would have to keep them on their 25-man for the year.
Haven’t looked at the 40 man, but have they removed all te free agents to be?
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That’s exactly why the chose to keep De La Rosa. He has 4 quality pitches, he’s only 23, he has control, he’s healthy and he’s left handed. If he had been left off of the 40 man roster and he would most likely have been a 1 or 2 pick in the Rule 5 Draft. A team like Seattle, Oakland or Washington would have taken him in a heartbeat. Them keeping him on the 25 man roster wouldn’t have hurt them, because they aren’t going anywhere. Horne, being injured and with control issues is more likely to slip through.
A bad team like Washington or Pittsburgh will definitely stash a guy like Garcia and let him develop in the pen for a year.
23 yr old pitcher
“He should have been dealt last off-season”
That’s easy to say, in hindsight. But he was supposed to be the first fallback position when Kennedy and Hughes faltered. Injury screwed all that up.
“Most publications (the real scouts at Baseball America, Pinstripes Plus, ESPN etc.) see Horne as a reliever anyway, which we have plenty of.”
So what? They should expose him to the rule 5? Relievers are volatile. Veras or Bruney could easily flame out — they too suffer from command problems. Horne wasn’t fetching anything on his own last offseason anyhow. Let’s see if he can get healthy. He can provide starting or bullpen depth if so. Better to keep him than not.
I want Carsten Charles Sabathia and I want him now.
why not just package all of our rule 5 guys and trade them for matt holliday?
“He has 4 quality pitches, he’s only 23, he has control, he’s healthy and he’s left handed.”
Slow down…are we talking about the same guy? The 23 year old in high-A ball? The one who moved to the mound two years ago? He doesn’t have good control. He throws hard and he’s lefty. So he strikes out a lot of free-swinging kids down in the low minors. He had plenty of games where he walked a ton of guy, and others where he struck out tons. Far from consistent. I don’t see how he’d have 4 quality offerings yet either. Maybe promising ones, but he’s still REALLY raw.
This is not to say they shouldn’t protect him. Just that people are getting way, way ahead of themselves on this kid.
GB7,
Isn’t Adam Loewen the converted pitcher from the O’s?
If it is, he’s playing 1B in Hawaii.
“why not just package all of our rule 5 guys and trade them for matt holliday?”
Cashman is an idiot for not doing this already. Get it done!
“If it is, he’s playing 1B in Hawaii.”
Huh. From pitching to corner OF to 1B. He’d better be a heck of a hitter if he’s going to become a LF/1B type
Who picked him up, again?
Yes he is, Mel. He had his first hit last night and playing right field…which is a surprise since he had an elbow and shoulder injury.
Jays got Loewen
Instead of speculating on who will be added to the 40 man, lets speculate on who will be dropped.
Candidates:
(Pudge, Giambi, Abreu, Pavano, Ponson all FAs)
Britton
Rasner
Duncan
Giese
Betemit
Albaladejo
Christian
Wright
Moller
The only reason they protected De La Rosa is probably because they had to— he was a 6 yr free agent not a rule 5 guy. He could have signed with any other team outright. He probably asked them to add him to the 40 man to give him some security and they complied because they didn’t want to lose him.
If he was a rule 5 guy, I think they would have left him unprotected. He only started 2 games in Low A. I don’t think a team would take a guy who was THAT raw.
“Moller”
He already filed for FA. As for Albaladejo, I don’t think they’ll drop him. Girardi was getting confident in him when he went down with the elbow injury.
What of Karstens? I figure he’ll go. Giese…is he not a free agent? I’d hang on to him, if not. He seems like a really good swingman, especially to soak up innings after Joba or CC…that kind of heat, followed by Giese seems like a great contrast.
whozat
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:43 am
“He has 4 quality pitches, he’s only 23, he has control, he’s healthy and he’s left handed.â€
Slow down…are we talking about the same guy? The 23 year old in high-A ball? The one who moved to the mound two years ago? He doesn’t have good control. He throws hard and he’s lefty. So he strikes out a lot of free-swinging kids down in the low minors. He had plenty of games where he walked a ton of guy, and others where he struck out tons. Far from consistent. I don’t see how he’d have 4 quality offerings yet either. Maybe promising ones, but he’s still REALLY raw.
This is not to say they shouldn’t protect him. Just that people are getting way, way ahead of themselves on this kid.
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Where do you get your information from? He didn’t have any control issues this year in Charleston or Tampa. He walked about 3.5 a per 9 innings, but, he strikes out almost 11 per 9 innings. He gives up very few hits and almost no home runs.
One other thing…have you even seen him pitch before?
whozat,
Karstens was traded in the Nady/Marte deal…
Ok everyone, it’s 2 AM on the East Coast. Time to move your clocks back an hour.
Jeff
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:52 am
The only reason they protected De La Rosa is probably because they had to—- he was a 6 yr free agent not a rule 5 guy. He could have signed with any other team outright. He probably asked them to add him to the 40 man to give him some security and they complied because they didn’t want to lose him.
If he was a rule 5 guy, I think they would have left him unprotected. He only started 2 games in Low A. I don’t think a team would take a guy who was THAT raw.
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He had 8 starts in Charleston and 3 in Tampa. They broke him in as a relief pitcher to keep his innings down. An ERa under 2 and a whip just over 1. 125 strikeouts in 106 innings. He has a 94-96 MPH fastball, a slider, a curve and a Bugs Bunny change-up that is as good as Ramirez.
whozat,
Really? That’s how invisible Karstens is. Anyone remember the Torre/Karstens joke? I forget what it was, but it was pretty funny.
“Where do you get your information from?”
RAB. Reading his game logs, he tended to walk a bunch of guys in one game, and then not in the next. The definition of inconsistent. Overall, it came out looking ok. But it certainly didn’t seem like he demonstrated consistent command of his stuff. The guy’s been pitching for two years. It’s not surprising.
I’ve never seen him pitch, no. I do the best I can with the info available to me. I’m not saying he sucks. I’m saying he’s raw and facing very immature competition.
“Karstens was traded in the Nady/Marte deal…”
Ha! Oh yeah!
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 am
Instead of speculating on who will be added to the 40 man, lets speculate on who will be dropped.
Candidates:
(Pudge, Giambi, Abreu, Pavano, Ponson all FAs)
Britton
Rasner
Duncan
Giese
Betemit
Albaladejo
Christian
Wright
Moller
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Betemit, Christian, Giese and Albaladejo will all most likely be protected. Rasner, Wright and Britton may very well be traded.
Nitro,
Really?
(Fist-pump!)
Laker games are now only 2 hours ahead.
Green Barret,
Thanks for that post. I was wondering about DLR’s secondary pitches. A changeup as good as Ramirez’ and a 96 MPH fastball?
Wow.
“He has a 94-96 MPH fastball, a slider, a curve and a Bugs Bunny change-up that is as good as Ramirez.”
When did you see him pitch?
whozat
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:03 am
“Where do you get your information from?â€
RAB. Reading his game logs, he tended to walk a bunch of guys in one game, and then not in the next. The definition of inconsistent. Overall, it came out looking ok. But it certainly didn’t seem like he demonstrated consistent command of his stuff. The guy’s been pitching for two years. It’s not surprising.
I’ve never seen him pitch, no. I do the best I can with the info available to me. I’m not saying he sucks. I’m saying he’s raw and facing very immature competition.
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Instead of reading about De La Rosa, you need to watch him. That report that that fool wrote was done before the season started. He’s very polished for only 1 and a half years on the mound. He’s also about a year older as the rest of the players in that league.
whozat
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:08 am
“He has a 94-96 MPH fastball, a slider, a curve and a Bugs Bunny change-up that is as good as Ramirez.â€
When did you see him pitch?
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9 relief appearances and 5 starts in the Charleston, Savannah and Columbus in the SALLY League and 1 of his starts in Tampa.
X-Mann
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:04 am
Green Barret,
Thanks for that post. I was wondering about DLR’s secondary pitches. A changeup as good as Ramirez’ and a 96 MPH fastball?
Wow.
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Most of the time his fastball is in the 93-94 range until the end of his starts and then he cuts it loose. Charleston has a great closer, Jonathan Ortiz with a 91-92 MPH fastball and the same change-up…great control and a definate strikeout pitcher
“That report that that fool wrote was done before the season started.”
Which fool?
Also…I wasn’t going off of a year old report. I was talking about what happened in his games. He’d have games where he walked the park, and others where he didn’t. Against very undisciplined hitters. When a guy has powerful stuff, 20 year olds are pretty easy to strike out. I’m not saying they shouldn’t hang on to him. I’m saying that he’s raw. If they bump him to AA next year, and he’s got a K:BB of 3:1…awesome. But…I think it’s reasonable to be skeptical when a guy who’s been pitching for a year and a half is referred to as having “great control”
A hearing in the Clemens/McNamee case is scheduled for Monday.
Initial reaction may be who cares but McNamee’s attorney has said he will be seeking depositions from many of Clemens’ teammates when he was with the Yankees.
Let’s hope the suit is dropped or if it is going to happen the depositions will be done before the season starts.
De La Rosa will most likely start back in Tampa for the first month or two, and then move up to Trenton. Most of his strikeouts are swing and miss, but, he does have great control. He only had 3 starts with more than 3 walks. The aveage age in the SALLY League is just under 22, which makes De la Rosa not much older than them. Take into account that he’s only been pitching for a year and a half, it’s not like he’s taking advantage of them with his vast experience.
pat,
What’re you doing up so late?
Pat –
Who are Clemens & McNamee?
Nobody of sgnificance.
Stand Pat has been a great baseball guy for many years. We could use him in house as a consultant but we could also use Stick Michael. Michael’s voice is NEVER ever listened to, but it should be.
He was all for the Santana deal. And that is a deal that should have been made.
I wonder where he stood on the Igawa deal???? Anybody know?
Re: Clemens and McNamee
Jeez. Who is paying McNamee’s legal bills? John Henry and Larry Lucchino? Free publicity only goes so far.
I’m assuming that the recently threatened depositions of Roger’s former teammates are regarding Clemens’ reputation and his claim for damages rather than more steroids stuff. My guess is that McNamee took his last best shot with the soda can and used needles – which I don’t recall hearing anything else about. IMO if McNamee really had the steroid or amphetamine goods on any remaining Yankees he would have used the info by now so I’m not really worried about much more collateral damage. But you never know for sure until you hear the questions.
But I wouldn’t worry too much about the depositions affecting Yankee teammates of Clemens. A lot of Rocket’s former teammates are millionaires who will hire expensive lawyers who know how to handle this kind of thing. Moreover, the depositions won’t take very long when most of the answers are “I don’t know” or “I don’t recall.” By the same token, don’t expect many players to come out in support of Rocket at the depositions. Nobody else has a dog in this fight and no one is happy about having to get involved in this nonsense.
Convince Mike Arbuckle to come on board in the Yankee scouting department or as an advisor to Cashman.
Just 2 weeks ago it was said the front office would have additional help so here’s another chance.
Livesly was a good start.
NYY did not pick up Marte’s option (per NY Post)
why?
based on 2 months in the bronx? The effectivness of a relief pitcher, fluctuates every year. And NYY have coveted him/attempted to trade for him for 6 years. You decline his option, based on a 2 month stint?
apparently Coke will not get a chance to be a starter.
Gary: while having Cashman’s back, from the beginning, i have to agree.
unlikely, tho. I don’t expect he would join the yankees for only $$$$ (ie, they can’t promise him with a GM title). Unless, you believe they would offer him Oppenheimer’s position. I don’t see how it would fit.
maybe SJ44 will have insight
I’d love to see Cash make a move for Ramon Martinez. I think him plus Cody Ransom would start to make for a pretty versatile bench.
Vinny”
Marte is not a $6M pitcher. I’d guess the Yankees will work with him on a 2-3 yr deal in the $3.5M to $4M per season range. I believe the Yankees will still have a two week long exclusive negotiating window before other teams can talk to him. I hope they get something done within those two weeks because otherwise, the Mets will be on him like ticks on a bird dog.
“A good scout not only knows what players to sign and develop but which ones to trade” (per NY Post)
do we have these scouts? I don’t know. Considering the abudance of pitching we have in the minors, the Rule 5 draft, and holes needed to be filled on the ML club – they better!
fredo: hopefully, they work it out.
I love draft picks, however the 2009 class is reportedly a weak one, and NYY should have plenty of picks, as it is.
6 million for a lefty specialist is stupid money. That’s why the option wasn’t picked up.
I think they will offer him a 2 year deal. Will be interesting to see if he takes it. He did enjoy being back with the Yankees. Now, we find out how much.
the thing is, Marte isn’t just a lefty specialist, he is a quality late inning reliever. If the Yankees lose Marte because they didn’t pick up his option, i can see them regretting it later on.
Make a list of every non-closer in the game making 6 milllion or more per season. You will see few guys giving you a big bang for that buck.
Historically, non-closers are a fragile and uneven bunch.
That kind of money can be put to better use in filling out the roster.
SJ: good to see you.
do you see any potential for Mike Arbuckle or Pat Gillick, joining NYY ?
I think the better question is are the Yankees prepared to invest in the front office, scouting department etc.. to round out the depth of help Cashman has to make sound decisions going forth.
The Yankees are clearly 2nd rate in the FO compared to all I have heard of CLE, BOS, TB and PHIL, to name a few.
Rather than focusing on any individual (Gillick, Arbuckle, other) they need to focus on beefing up the decision making/fact finding infrastructure. Only if they have a commitment to doing this, will they know who makes a good fit.
Cashman has a good vision IMO,, but he needs help in executing it.
SJ, that’s true… but there are countless relievers making 4-4.5 million a year, and let’s not forget just last year, the Yankees gave Latroy Hawkins a nice 3.75 million dollar deal… and Marte looks to be of much greater value.
Two of the players who make 5-6 a year are Tom Gordon and Kyle Farnsworth (i’d take Marte over both in a heartbeat).
loool the yanks have spent years trying to find a quality lefty reliever and now they have one they gonna let him go.
so whats the trade tabata and that pitcher for nady? LOOOOOOL
nady will hit .270 next year, count on it…
yankee 21: when had mentioned Gillick & Arbuckle, i had intended to in the context of advisory roles.
I don’t really know much, far as how front offices/scouting departments are structured. Tho, when you see talent like that available, you want it to move to your favorite team.
IF Marte walks and Nady becomes a 4th outfielder in quality…with Tabata going the other way and the Yankees having a need for quality young cheap position players especially in the OF, that trade goes south fast.
Vinny,
I posted two weeks ago that the Yankees should make a big play for Pat and Gordon Lakey’s (Pat’s right hand man) services. Bill Livesey in essence takes the Lakey role. Both men are very talented.
Pat? Wouldn’t shock me if Cash talks to him.
Arbuckle? Love to have him but I suspect he will have better offers this off-season.
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