Reminder: Live video chat tomorrow
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 03, 2008 
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We’re going to try something new tomorrow on the blog: A live on-location video chat.
At 11 a.m. (Eastern time), go over to our Mogulus channel and I’ll be on live from the General Manager Meetings to take your questions.
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Meanwhile, do your duty as a citizen of our democracy and go vote tomorrow. Soldiers die every day to preserve your right to take 10 minutes out of your day to cast your ballot. The least you can do is show up is do your part.
Thats the end of the blogging today unless some news breaks at the bar. Thanks to everybody for reading.
Cashman and Towers hopefully are at the bar together.
Forget Towers stay w/ Jocketty
“Cashman and Towers hopefully are at the bar together.”
more like Cashman and Jocketty at the bar later tonight.
CC, Peavy, Joba, Wang, Joba
Wow. Do it Brian!!
Brandon, LOL you just read my mind.
How about Cashman, Jocketty, Towers, Colletti, all have drinks together, just to keep all of our options open? (Actually, the idea is for Cashman to just pay for them while the other guys bottom up).
Jocketty is the Reds GM right?
Ohh… so we’re thinking Hughes for Votto/Bruce.
I like where this is going
I actually like Leftwich in this game as a Giants fan… he is mobile and still is a playmaker.
Ben had no chance tonight with his O-Line, he is getting pounded on every play.
As soon as I heard that Phil was getting lit up in last start before the futures game I just knew he had a physical problem. Someone here posted that he kept looking at his right hand during that start.
I’m glad it was just a fingernail. I was worried that it was something serious, and thought that he might be reluctant to reveal another injury.
He needs to talk to Wang about the fake nails.
And you know I just can’t keep from commenting on the Peter/Trisha thing from a couple of threads ago.
Peter, you know what you keep telling people about lightening up? You really need to take your own advice.
I realize that media criticism is your hot button, but after all the idiotic comments that are made on this blog, singling out Trisha is the height of hypocrisy. I don’t find stupid comments as annoying as I find your comments denigrating your readers.
As I have said in the past, you are supposed to be the grownup here. You run this place. If you don’t rise above and act like an adult when confronted with comments you find objectionable, it only encourages the idiots to respond the same way.
Keep BL in this game. He’s doing much better
“CC, Peavy, Joba, Wang, Joba”
That’s not gonna help limit Joba’s innings.
“How about Cashman, Jocketty, Towers, Colletti, all have drinks together, just to keep all of our options open? (Actually, the idea is for Cashman to just pay for them while the other guys bottom up”
please add Dan O’Dowd to the group
I think this is 15 posts from Pete today.
Pete, put the Mac down and get some Mojitos up in you.
i got a feeling hughes is going to be the next harden
The GM meetings sound like a fun place to be.
Luxurious hotel overlooking the Pacific ocean, poolside bar, late night deals being consummated while sipping Mojitos, baseball execs and agents everywhere etc.
No wonder Cashman is so laid back
““CC, Peavy, Joba, Wang, Jobaâ€
That’s not gonna help limit Joba’s innings.”
Actually Joba in the 5 hole can help his innings limit if he is handled conservatively.
The Yanks have a limit on what they’ll spend. That’s why they don’t expect to sign Teixera. So, which combo would you prefer: Teix and Hughes, or Peavy and Miranda? I’d take Teix and Hughes.
34hughes,
i agree. the kid just can’t stay healthy, just one thing after another with him. blisters? hamstring? vision? ankle? ribcage?
this is why you cannot hand him a rotation spot next year, too risky.
talented but injury prone
Guard,
I know Joba is our ace, but he is going to pitch twice a week? Wow, maybe he is god afterall.
I wish we could clone our ace Joba. One can be our staff ace, other a relief ace, and one a #5 starter.
“i got a feeling hughes is going to be the next harden”
Where is he finding the extra 7 MPH on his fastball? Oh you were obviously referring to his injury bug, I gotcha.
Leftwhich is awesome tonight… so much zip on his passes.
Ben had no chance tonight. He had 2 seconds at best to get off a pass. Leftwich’s mobility is a huge asset.
Al
Read it again. Joba is listed twice.
Al, I was going to say the same thing. Aside from them both being very injury prone, Hughes and Harden are really not similar. But yes, Hughes does appear to be Harden in that regard, not stuff-wise, fragility wise.
The comment about voting is out of line, as an argument could be made that voting actually causes more harm than not voting.
Many people abstain from voting for much nobler reasons that those that people have for voting.
The way you phrased it just is not good.
Pat- Sorry bout that didn’t read it close enough.
Frontier- Yeah I know what you’re saying I have a lot of questions about his durability. Harden when hes healthy has some of the filthiest stuff in the game can’t say the same for Phil. Hes good but Harden is phenomenal when he can get on the field.
Hope Towers watched Hughes tonight and liked what he saw.
He needs to finish the AFL season strong to maximize his value. No more injuries.
What argument is there against voting? What nobel causes are there?
Fed Ex Field sounds like Hinez Field tonight.
Nice to see the Skins losing.
Not to get political but I’m not voting. If you don’t find either candidate to be satisfactory voting just for the sake of voting is a silly idea.
Big Ben has a 15.1 QB rating tonight.
There is no drama with CC. All he has to do is let us know whether he wants to be a Yankee or not.
If he does, he gets a blank check from us and thats it. There is no bidding war. We will outbid any team by a lot.
So, he has to be upfront early on about his intentions. If he doesn’t want to be a Yankee, then we can move on quickly. If he does, we can get it done quickly. There is no point in dragging this out or fabricating some fraudulent bidding war when it is common knowledge that our bid will far exceed any other team.
“Not to get political but I’m not voting. If you don’t find either candidate to be satisfactory voting just for the sake of voting is a silly idea.”
No, not voting is a silly idea. Do you know how many people around the world would give their lives for the rights that you have as American, one of which is the right to vote?
“If you don’t find either candidate to be satisfactory voting just for the sake of voting is a silly idea.”
I do agree with this.
t-rock- Great post. The Yanks will obviously be highest bidder at the end of the day its a question of him wanting to be here.
So I see Hughes did well tonight.
He coordinated it perfectly with the Winter Meetings. Time to get some young position player or Peavy.
We have the right to vote and we also have the right to not vote. We have choices. Period
Leftwich did real good tonight.
“If you don’t find either candidate to be satisfactory voting just for the sake of voting is a silly idea.â€
I do agree with this.
There are other items to vote for on the ballot. It’s not just President. There are Senate seats, Judges and Misc items up for vote. I believe that California is voting on Gay marriage. Not voting just because you don’t like the Presidential candidates is a short sighted position.
“No, not voting is a silly idea. Do you know how many people around the world would give their lives for the rights that you have as American, one of which is the right to vote?”
I really hope you are not attacking my patriotism. I just don’t like either of the 2 candidates. Not voting is not a crime, many people decide to not vote because they are lazy or ignorant. I happen to have abject dislike for the candidates in this election.
“There are other items to vote for on the ballot. It’s not just President. There are Senate seats, Judges and Misc items up for vote. I believe that California is voting on Gay marriage. Not voting just because you don’t like the Presidential candidates is a short sighted position.”
I realize that. Different things are going on in different areas.
If people want to vote-go vote.
If they decide not to-that’s their decision.
I often find that the people who don’t vote are those who complain the most.
“I really hope you are not attacking my patriotism.”
Refusing to vote doesn’t mean that you aren’t patriotic or that you don’t love your country. It just means that you want no part in having a say in which direction the country goes.
However out of pure sports interest. The Yankees have never won the series with a Republican in office. So I guess Obama it is.
Higher turnout would tend to create more legitimacy behind US policy I would imagine.
That said, if you don’t want to go out and vote because you don’t like either candidate that’s fine. If you’re not going out because you think you don’t make a difference, that’s different.
If you don’t like either candidate you can feel free to write me in for any office =)
I don’t care either way, but election day is so fun.
Just following the News Coverage and the drama (even though this election doesn’t look like it will have any). Should be fun though.
For those who think not voting is a right may I suggest moving to somewhere like Cuba perhaps?
Cubans would love to be able to vote and have their say in the government.
Or maybe try one of the countries in Africa, where they’ll lop off your arm so that you can’t vote.
You guys should enjoy it in one of those countries.
Leftwich was dominant tonight. How is he a backup? He was pretty good in JAX.
How much would the Cowboys like to have him instead of Brad Johnson or Bollywood?
Hughes was absolutely dominant tonight. He was 92-95 on one of the guns. The velocity was good but the movement on his fastball and the location were even better. He was getting ahead in the count and then had guys flailing at the curve for most of his strikeouts.
He looked a little bit different tonight – he looked like he was pitching with a chip on his shoulder. It’s just an observation and I could be reading him wrong but it really looked like he was letting loose tonight – a lot more than usual.
At any rate, he was very impressive, with his command and the life on his FB. He was really popping the mitt.
Hey, even in this country only white males were allowed to vote until the 20th century.
Great times in this country, great times indeed!
Sorry – I meant to add that the comments above are from a poster on another board who saw Phil pitch in person tonight.
“Soldiers die every day to preserve your right to take 10 minutes out of your day to cast your ballot.”
That’s far too sensational a statement for me to swallow.
It’s my right to vote if I want to.
And not a single human being on this planet has died to preserve my right to vote because, in my lifetime, my right to vote was never in any jeopardy, despite whatever any run of the mill conspiracy kook might float out there.
Just saying, that spiel is a little over the top.
“I often find that the people who don’t vote are those who complain the most.”
Conducted a poll, huh?
Broseph, No but your dumb comment proved my point.
Anywho, I’m voting tomorrow-don’t forget, free coffee from Starbucks.
this was on mlbtraderumors:
The Yankees have been calling around aggressively, even inquiring on Roy Oswalt and Lance Berkman. They’re not available.
good to see Cashman working the lines.
Heyman reporting AJ’s agent says they will give the Jays a shot to make a fair offer before AJ decides on the opt out but Toronto will not be getting a hometown discount. When asked about rumors that AJ doesn’t want to play for the Yankees, Burnett’s agent said that couldn’t be farther from the truth.
Your right to vote is just as protected as your right to not vote if you find neither candidate satisfactory. Saying people who choose not to vote are un-American and should move to the Congo is a ridiculous overstatement. If that were the case over 60% of the country would be forced to leave. I just might vote independent but I’m not voting for either of those clowns.
Pete.. terrific stuff today
Bravo to you
Don’t make too much out of AFL starts— just like we don’t kill him for the bad ones, we can’t fall over ourselves when he does well.
Cashman said he is there only for innings and nothing more, Lets not make it more than it is.
Hughes is such a tease. Let him stay healthy for a full season before we get excited.
Atleast we have Joba to drool over!
This again? Can we stop analyzing fall league stats? So when Kennedy pitches well in Puerto Rico this winter should we guarantee him a spot in the rotation?
Nice to read that report on Hughes
Cash needs to forward that report to the San Diego GM or the Dodgers GM
The information should be coming in bunches now.. the papers should be loaded tomorrow. Hell, we got so much tonight alone.
Best time of the year.
It will be of great interest in about three years from now as Phil Hughes is winning 18 games and rising in the rankings as a top starter, how many of those here who are calling him a bust will stand up and admit their poor evaluation of his talent and worth ……At least several of us have been very outspoken in his behalf….The kid is going to be real good, give him the required time…..The I told you so time will be upon us soon…….Cashman will say no to the Padres and Peavy…..
Forget about Hughes
Focus on one Carsten Charles Sabathia and Marcus Teixeria.
“Your right to vote is just as protected as your right to not vote if you find neither candidate satisfactory.”
I wonder how your right not to vote got protected in the first place? Hmmm, could it be because people who lived long before we did fought and died for our freedoms that we enjoy?
It’s extremely easy for a person nowadays to have a cavalier attitude about not voting because everyone is now able to vote.
PAT M,
And will you rise up when he is the next Ben Sheets and can’t stay healthy and never lives up to the potential?
It’s a 2 way street. Too early to say he is going to be ‘real good’. You are just as irrational as the ones who are calling him a bust.
It appears there is nobody in the middle when evaluating Hughes. He is either a bust or a can’t miss star. Rational fans will just let go of all expectations (positive or negative) and take a ‘wait and see’ approach.
You guys do realize that Hughes probably has more big league service time than the entire roster combined right?
He SHOULD dominate this league. He is essentially facing AA hitters— guys he dominated more than 2 years ago. We’re praising him for something he was expected to do. That’s like giving the Giants extra praise for dismantling Brad Johnson led Cowboys. They were supposed to.
As the guy above said, lets not make Hughes’ starts more than it is.
““Your right to vote is just as protected as your right to not vote if you find neither candidate satisfactory.â€
I wonder how your right not to vote got protected in the first place? Hmmm, could it be because people who lived long before we did fought and died for our freedoms that we enjoy?
It’s extremely easy for a person nowadays to have a cavalier attitude about not voting because everyone is now able to vote.”
I don’t like Obama, I don’t like McCain. Would you like me to vote just to please you? Also I have many veterans in my family, so I do not take my rights for granted at all. Insisting that those who do not vote based on principle are somehow anti-American or unappreciative is the most ignorant opinion I have ever heard.
I’ll take the hit when and if that time comes…..Welcome to the gig Sweet Lou….Is that as in Sweet Lou Pinella…I played against him in a Spring Training game in 72 in Fort Meyers, he robbed of a sure double that SOB…..My issue is how all these baseball people can right off a 22 year old kid…A yaer ago or so he was the hottest pitching property in the game…Hell he’s still the youngest pitcher in the game….I think he maybe the youngest player in the peroid…..
PAT,
Let the kid develop please. Penciling him as an 18 game winner and destined for stardom is mindless. And people wonder why the fans are spoiled and dont have patience… saying things like that only makes the expectations even more unrealistic.
“You guys do realize that Hughes probably has more big league service time than the entire roster combined right?
He SHOULD dominate this league.
As the guy above said, lets not make Hughes’ starts more than it is.”
It’s the AFL, I’ve been saying all along that the stats he puts up out there don’t matter, good or bad. He’s there to get work.
Your thought process is indeed flawed however. If guys with more service time are supposed to dominate how do rookies come up to the majors every year and put up great numbers?
Why don’t pitchers who’ve been pitching in the majors for 15 years always dominate rookies who’ve just come up to the majors?
“Would you like me to vote just to please you? Also I have many veterans in my family, so I do not take my rights for granted at all. Insisting that those who do not vote based on principle are somehow anti-American or unappreciative is the most ignorant opinion I have ever heard.”
Al,
I couldn’t care less if you vote or not. As I said though it’s easy to have a cavalier attitude about voting when you’ve had the right to vote your whole life.
It is unappreciative when you so nonchalantly shrug off voting at all even for the numerous other seats and laws that are being voting upon simply because you do not like the candidates.
As I said also, to each his own and I’ll leave it at that.
I suspect it’s mindless when one drafts a player # 1 in the draft….I’ve been watching this game for a long time, and you can tell when someone has that little something extra special….I’m on the record, Phil Hughes will be a very successful big league pitcher……
Interesting that Cashman said he wants TWO FA pitchers and was so candid about it. He gave away his strategy which is very un-Cashman like, he usually never says anything just the generic ‘we’ll look at all areas’ statement. But its comforting to know he wants to improve this team as much as possible.
So it would be
FA
FA
Wang
Joba
Pettitte
Looks good.
Is Gardner playing winter ball?
Guys . . .
Obsessing over meaningless AFL stats is reserved for October only becausee there is nothing else to do! November is upon us, we will be getting real news for the next 2 months, that should be the topic of our discussion. the winter meetings just started
“Is Gardner playing winter ball?”
I don’t think so he turned it on at the end of the year. I know Cano is playing in the Dominican, but I don’t think Gardner is playing any winter ball.
Innings people, innings.
Nothing more, nothing less. No conclusions to draw about Hughes, good or bad.
Thanks Al.
Next week’s Mondat Night Football game is…
San Francisco @ Arizona
How the hell did that happen? Niners on MNF?
Phil is what he is.
A good prospect to some. The reason we don’t have Santana to others.
Phil’s had success at every level he’s pitched. Yes, even the majors. I discount what happened early in ’08. He had a cracked rib.
And as a Yankee fan, it’s my constitutional right to enjoy his successes. Even in a meaningless AFL game.
Mel, you just in a few words summed up the whole Phil Hughes matter…..
hughes has excuse after excuse made for him. when will it stop?
he has had such freaky injuries – blisters, vision problems, crack ribbed, ankle, hamstring, etc.
he is like ben sheets/pavano
for a guy who had an ideal pitchers frame – 6’5, 230 it is very very disturbing. even in the AFL he found a way to miss time. what good is he if he cant even stay healthy?
I swear the IQ level on here is dropping. Trade Phil for anybody, the sky is falling. Run around and panic. It is to weep. Step away from the keyboard and jump damn you.
Hughes is going to have Santana linked to him by the fans and media for eternity. Thats the way it is in NY. Cashman knew this when he didn’t make the trade. Every 5th day this year, we were reminded of Santana’s greatness and it was justified.
Hughes just has to be strong enough to withstand the boos when he doesn’t do well and the constant criticism/comparisons by the media.
Well, Jack, some things are worth waiting for.
How can any Yankee fan not support Phil Hughes and want him to do well? Ever since the Santana deal fell through, there’s been a fair amount of vitriol towards the kid. People taking far too much pleasure in Phil’s struggles.
And he’s hardly the first to have injuries. The pitching afficianado himself, Josh Beckett, has had a few DL stints himself for blisters. He himself has dealt with strained obliques. We should be grateful there’s nothing wrong with his elbow or shoulder.
“for a guy who had an ideal pitchers frame – 6’5, 230 it is very very disturbing. even in the AFL he found a way to miss time. what good is he if he cant even stay healthy?”
Phil not being able to stay healthy bothers me more than his struggles on the field. If he pitches well the rest of the way out in the AFL I would at least explore trade options for him.
The worst thing they can do is hand him a rotation spot next year. And no, a ‘competition’ is just meaningless. He will absolutely beat out Mitre, Aceves, Kennedy, etc. for a spot, so a competition is just as good as handing him a spot.
Bring back Andy for one more year and let Hughes develop in the minors. Let him prove he can stay healthy, something he hasn’t been able to do. Let him finally develop the change up he desperately needs.
You are doing him a disservice by letting him start in the majors next season. He should be the 6th starter. When he comes up, it should be for good, not constant shuttling between Scranton and NY and his head messed with. This ‘learning on the fly’ thing doesn’t work here.
I fail to see how wanting to trade Hughes for a premium player like a Peavy, Loney, Votto, Bruce (and its not like Hughes straight up will get ANY of them anyway) qualifies as giving up on him or having animosity towards him.
We’re simply looking to upgrade our team to the fullest. Truth is, he is our only real trade chip. Just because we’re not attached to him, doesn’t mean we dislike him. We are simply open minded when it comes to improving the team.
Most of us are Yankee fans, not Hughes fans.
Sevendust,
You’re right.
But I’ll cheer for any Yankee player or prospect until the day they are traded. I’d rather see them do well than fail.
“I fail to see how wanting to trade Hughes for a premium player like a Peavy, Loney, Votto, Bruce (and its not like Hughes straight up will get ANY of them anyway) qualifies as giving up on him or having animosity towards him.
We’re simply looking to upgrade our team to the fullest. Truth is, he is our only real trade chip. Just because we’re not attached to him, doesn’t mean we dislike him. We are simply open minded when it comes to improving the team.
Most of us are Yankee fans, not Hughes fans.”
Great post. I am a Yankees fan above all. If this team can add a legitimate stud position guy or solid starter I would move Hughes in a value for value trade. The Red Sox traded Hanley Ramirez for Beckett/Lowell and obviously Ramirez is a tremendous player but so is Beckett sometimes you need to trade value for value. Also Ramirez was a way better prospect when the Sox traded him, likely the highest rated prospect in the game.
On voting…
I would like all of you legal scholars to point out to me where in the United States Constitution the “Right to Vote” is located. It is absent from the Bill of Rights and the text of the constitution itself only refers to a guarantee of a “Republican form of government” (Article IV, Sec. 4).
It isn’t until the 15th Amendment is passed that the Constitution mentions a citizen’s right to vote. Up until 1913, US Senators were chosen by the state legislature. Subsequent amendments talk about voting rights for women and a voting age of 18, but the notion that the Federal Government bestowed on people a right to vote is ludicrous. It left voting procedures up to the states.
Regardless, a right to vote is not the same as an obligation to vote. I have a right to bear arms, but not an obligation. I have a right to peaceably assemble, but if I see a crowd on the courthouse steps, I am not required to participate in whatever charade they might be proposing.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for an evil. Not voting, or non-participation, denies a victor legitimacy. A government should fear the people- imagine if no one voted. What message would that send to the rigged system? This is a system controlled by the Republican and Democratic parties. Third parties are prevented from entering a ballot in many elections. How could a victor claim a mandate to control our lives if he or she only got a small percentage of the registered voters to select them?
That being said, if there are third-party candidates on the ballot in the state you live (whether Libertarian, Green, Constitutionalists, Socialists or Independents), I would encourage you to read their platforms and vote for them if you agree with them. Don’t buy into the “wasted vote” argument. It is not a wasted vote if it is what you believe in.
“Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”- James Madison
tom
gardner is going to play winter ball in dominican republic hes gonna play for los toros
Speaking of pitching and the best way to develop arms…
http://www.newsday.com/sports/…..596.column
Stupidest piece of writing in the history of mankind. Period.
First of all, what the hell does signing Manny have to do with whether Joba should be in the pen??? Whether you think the Yanks should sign Manny or nit is an entirely different subject.
Secondly, while havin a good 1-2 punch at the end of games is all well and good, any baseball fan with half a brain realizes that a young hard-throwing ace is more valuable to a team than a dominant 8th-inning guy.
Mathews tells us that the Phillies showed us how to win in October. How? A dominant closer in Brad Lidge. Oh, how about they had a young ace in Cole Hamels who dominated to an ERA around 2, huh? That’s nothin, I guess. Without Hamels, they never get to Lidge you dufus. That’s why Hamels was named MVP, and not Lidge, because he was more VALUABLE.
He writes that he doesn’t care that A-Rod doesn’t hit in October “because they’ve got to get there first.†Well Wallace, havin a good 8-9-inning punch don’t do you didley poo if you don’t have the lead. That’s right, “they’ve got to get there first.†And the way you do that is by having a guy shut out the opposition for 7 innings.
Then he says that scoring runs weren’t the Yanks’ problem this past season (I think they scored about 150 less than the previous year, but anyway), and he blames the Yanks’ problems on the pen, saying that “they couldn’t shorten games.†WHAT? That’s 2 blatant lies right there. Anybody watchin the Yanks last season saw that they struggled to score runs with RISP and one area which was not a concern was the pen, even without Joba!
What garbage.
Looks like the editor tabbed Mathews to write a column about the Yanks and he just had to come up with something. Craziest, most un-true article of this off-season by far.
I’m out.
“The Yankees have been calling around aggressively, even inquiring on Roy Oswalt and Lance Berkman. They’re not available.”
The art of misdirection/a theft attempt. Remember this rumor folks if Cash turns around and gets Joey Votto
tom November 4th, 2008 at 12:00 am
“Broseph, No but your dumb comment proved my point.”
You’re a regular social scientist.
pete, stick to baseball PLEASE! are our children dying in iraq because saddam wanted to deprive us of our voting rights? it’s the same sort of uninformed thinking that had vietnam being a domino in the world communist domination. i would much rather have you harass cashman and threaten trish!
“Looks like the editor tabbed Mathews to write a column about the Yanks and he just had to come up with something. Craziest, most un-true article of this off-season by far.”
Crazy, nonsensical articles are just about all the guy knows how to write, from what I’ve seen.
There have been numerous times I’ve wished there was an actual category: “None of the Above” listed on the ballot. Often, because my personal feeling is if you want to complain, you ought to have participated in the selection, I will choose the least objectionable candidate (to me, that is). There are a number of people besides Obama and McCain who are running for the office. None of them will win, none of them will garner much percentage of the vote, but there are quite a few choices if one wants to make their voice heard, even if in protest.
And, as has been pointed out, there are other issues on the ballot, as well. Every seat in the House is up for election today. Enough seats in the Senate are up for grabs that if the election goes one way or another will have a huge effect on what the next President will be able to accomplish (or not).
It is your right to vote or to not vote. I would urge those who are disinclined to re-think their position, if not on the presidential vote, then on the other positions on the ballot.
And I do wish, oh, how I wish, that we as citizens had the right to make an actual positive act if we don’t like the choice of candidates – a vote for abstaining, rather than the passive act of not voting at all.
In any event, let this be a peaceful day.
Doreen, I agree with almost everything you said. It was intelligently stated. My only objection is to your last line. I don’t want a peaceful day. I want to go to war against the Red Sox.
Green Beret 7 -
Well, if you’re talking Red Sox, then by all means, it’s all out war!
Doreen
November 4th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Green Beret 7 –
Well, if you’re talking Red Sox, then by all means, it’s all out war!
______________________________________________________
That’s right, Doreen. The time has come for “el deguello” against those commie Red Sox.
Someone please tell me Mark Fiensand is smoking crack.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....itch_.html
jennifer -
Maybe he’s not smoking crack, but he might be sleep deprived — didn’t he and his wife just have a new baby fairly recently?
I would think chances are slim, but I think there is a chance of that happening. My personal opinion is that they should close the door on that unfortunate relationship. Both sides.
Doreen- I can’t believe Cash would even bat it around! I don’t want him back on this team! I despise Carl Pavano. I think alot of his injuries were greatly exaggerated. I think he should have been able to pitch through them.
jennifer -
The only reason it’s even being considered, I would think, is that pitching is at such a premium. Pavano’s a decent pitcher, when healthy – but we’ve unfortunately not been witness to a healthy Carl Pavano all that much.
I tend to give the benefit of the doubt – BUT – the atmosphere in New York concerning Pavano is so toxic, I can’t see how it could work. He would be walking a tightrope every start – and Cashman along with him – as far as fan tolerance/patience/acceptance goes. I don’t understand how Pavano’s agent would consider it. He needs a fresh start somewhere – anywhere – else.
Actually it took me 20 minutes to vote today… But yeah, go vote.
“Pavano returned from his elbow surgery in August to make seven starts, going 4-2 with a 5.77 ERA. He went five or more innings and allowed three runs or less in four of those outings, though pitchers returning from Tommy John surgery typically return to their previous form in their second season back. “When he’s healthy, he can pitch,” Cashman said”
Is that true about the second year? And if so, is there some deal BC could work out that would at least see if the NYY can get some return on this investment?
It would seem like adding insult to injury if the Yamkees put up with all of this only to have Pavano come back in some other team’s uniform. It’s not like it really cost NY any real $$. (Insurance)
*Yankees*
Sorry. We’re just waking up here on the west coast.
From MLBtraderumors.com:
“The Indians would want a young closer type in return for catcher Kelly Shoppach.”
Hmmm, maybe we should pick up Damaso Marte’s $6 million option and offer him to them?
Course, 30 ain’t exactly young…
Hey folks, to any of you disenfranchised republicans who realize that John McCain is more of the same neo-con nonsense think about checking off Bob Barr. He is the Libertarian candidate but he is a true conservative and I gave him my vote to hope the republican party gets the point, we don’t want the type of candidate you’re giving us anymore.
And that’s why i’d say vote for a third party even if you only read about them today. Let the two major parties know that you don’t like what they’re doing. If a larger number of people made that type of protest vote the Dems and Repubs would have to take notice and alter what they do. It was at least the reason for me to go out and vote, since like you all say, both of these guys don’t sit well with me.
I went and voted and it took about 1 hour.
There is also another sports and politics “gauge” using the Washington Redskins and the Presidency. If the Redskins win their game before Election Day, the Republicans win. If they loose, the Democrats win. For whatever that’s worth, last nights Redskins loss is a good omen for the Democrats.
Fran how long does it normally take you?
I’m voting because Alice Paul was force fed through a tube while in prison so I could.
I’m voting because the only reason my friend can afford the life-saving bone marrow transplant she needs is because she’s on medicaid.
I’m voting because the $40,000 I paid a year for school is way, way too much.
I’m voting because I want to be able to hold my head high and say, “Yeah, I’m American.”
I’m voting b3ecause this right is too precious to me not to.
*steps off soapbox*
(I’m sorry I haven’t been around much. Grad school and my novel are combining to whoop my butt)
Jennifer -if you are still there, normally I am in and out in like 5 minutes.
Funny a few weeks ago I mentioned here that Cashman and the yankees would consider bringing Pavano back and was roundly bludgeoned by the loyal.
I wasn’t advocating anything just making a point, and now Mark Feinsand with the same.
When has Cashman said he was bringing Pavano back? All he did is what he ALWAYS does….leaving an “option” open.
I would venture to say the chances of Pavano returning to the Yankees are roughly the same as Ian Kennedy winning 20 games in the majors next year.
Sometimes, folks read WAY too much into things.
It doesn’t make any sense for Cashman to say anything of substance in terms of which players he will either bring back or acquire.
Especially since he has options due on certain players.
Rebecca,
My wife was watching a movie the other day about Alice Paul and the whole suffrage movement, Alice Paul was no joke.
On a separate note, how much is Pavano’s option for? I don’t know about his other injuries, but his last injury was real. I’d prefer to see him as a fifth starter over a Ponson or a Rasner type any day of the week.
““The Indians would want a young closer type in return for catcher Kelly Shoppach.â€
Hmmm, maybe we should pick up Damaso Marte’s $6 million option and offer him to them?
Course, 30 ain’t exactly young…”
Marte ain’t exactly 30 (34 on Opening Day). He ain’t exaclty a closer either.
Thanks Fran. I wonder if I should leave work early? Usually I am in and out in 5 minutes too.
Pavano has a 2009 team option for $13 million with a $1.95 million buyout.
Fran,
I’m hearing on the tv that when the Redskins win the game before the election, the incumbent wins. And when the lose, the challenger wins. It’s been true 16 of the last 17 times or something.
I’m reading that Cashman says that there might be a slot for Moose if he were to come back. They need to woo him, just a little.
Also read that the Yankees were getting calls for Melky, in addition to Gardner and Jackson. Since there aren’t many CF options available, we should fill that internally and focus on the rotation & 1B.
I don’t think we have what it takes to get Peavy. The only thing that’s a saving grace is the contract.
“Peavy is guaranteed $63 million over the next four seasons, and Padres GM Kevin Towers said he had talked exclusively with one unidentified team about a trade before enlarging the field. Towers would like two major league players plus prospects in return.”
Surely teams could offer better than Hughes, Melky, + 2 prospects. I think a NL team like Houston steps up. Too bad, the Mets have nothing to offer. Santana, Peavy in the NL? Wow.
If the rotation is going to have Wang, Chamberlain and 2 others, whether they come via trade or free agency, there is one spot open in the rotation.
They have a bunch of guys like Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy, perhaps even Pettitte or Mussina, to secure the fifth spot in the rotation.
I don’t see where Carl Pavano fits into that mix.
That’s just from a baseball perspective. I’m not even getting into the other stuff. Which, if they were honestly thinking about bringing him back becomes part of the decisionmaking process.
Cashman’s comments are more likely to be his way of not going negative on Pavano than actually viewing him as an option for 2009.
Pavano would be a good pickup. A relatively young guy who has never played for the Yankees.
I’d rather see Hughes or Aceves than Pavano. You’d save about $10M and people could actually root for them in good conscience.
Russell NY,
Not only that. He comes from that famed Florida pipeline!
“That’s right, Doreen. The time has come for “el deguello†against those commie Red Sox.”
Hey GB7 this is your commie friend.
I thought I would give you a heads up that Timlin wants to pitch next year but the Sox aren’t going to pick him up.
This is your guy’s chance! See, I’m always looking out for you GB7.
Well Pavano certainly hasn’t logged the 500 plus innings in the last 2 years that cc has. Not sure he has logged that in his career. So his arm should be young and healhty.
Jennifer – don’t know about where you vote, but all I know is they are showing huge lines all over the country. (And I have never waited on line in any past presidential election.)
Mel – when I heard the Redskins theory on tv last night they said it was good news for the Democrats. I guess I figured that it was a Republican/Democrat thing, not incumbant vs. challenger. Thanks
“Pavano would be a good pickup. A relatively young guy who has never played for the Yankees.”
I still would be happy to have AJ Burnett. I’m counting on Hughes to be in the mix and to be in the Bronx for a long time to come. And until Mike Mussina comes out and announces he is retiring I will assume he still intends to pitch and so he is definitely in my rotation.
Wang
Burnett
Mussina
Hughes
Sabatthia?
Pettitte (I fear that’s the reality. I don’t want him)
Joba
Somewhere in that mix is the rotation.
I would not consider NOT voting.
If I were superstitious I would be praying for a democratic win since the Yankees haven’t won a world series with a republican president in office since the days of Eisenhower.
GO AMERICA!!!
peavy is such a wuss. he probably soils himself thinking about the american league. what a sh*t scared league the NL is.
Here they have advised that the worst times to vote would be between 7 and 9 a.m. and 5 and 7 p.m.
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I believe what I said a few weeks ago was the Yankees had not closed the door on Pavano.
Until they have, they haven’t.
i wonder if a late lunch (1:30/2pm) would be a good time to go vote? for some reason it didn’t dawn on me that the polls would be open when i was up and at home at 7:30…
I’ve seen Peavy pitch often…Not overly impressed with him…..He’s a 15 game winner in the AL East….He’ll have a hard time getting in 6 innings per start…..Nibbles….
Pete, we’re a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.
Nice to hear Phranchise made some adjustments, and healed up.
It’s not Pavano that holds the 2009 option, it’s a team option . . . . .
http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=968
If the Yankees succeed in signing Sabathia, I’d much prefer to see the Yankees sign Teixiera than a second, multi-year free-agent pitcher (this excludes Pettitte).
How many times this year did the Yankees’ organization fault the offense this season for the team’s woes.
The Yankees couldn’t hit with RISP and their OBA fell from .366 in 2007 to .344. Now, they plan to let two hitters depart who registered among the 2008 lineup’s highest OBA. Without Teixiera, how do the Yankees replace either Abreu or Giambi’s production?
The Yankees can’t rely on Matsui or Posada next year to remain healthy, let alone to compensate for the loss of Abreu and Giambi.
For my money, signing CC, Tex, Pettitte and [reclamation project pitcher-- Pavano, Milton, Zambrano, Penny, Anna] makes more sense than CC and Burnett or Lowe.
I think voting during a late lunch could be a good idea, but many people will probably be doing that. I’m an absentee voter but I would prefer to cast my vote in person this year. BTW, absentee voting is easy peasy & really convenient.
Just say no to Lowe!
Cashman has always been a supporter of Pavano, but underlying it all is “wanting to be proven right”. What better way “to show the Press” (remember his comments of last month) than Pavano in Pinstripes in 09.
Until Abreu signs elsewhere, I will still think there’s a shot he’s coming back. I want him back on the Yankees.
ray (sox fan)
November 4th, 2008 at 10:18 am
“That’s right, Doreen. The time has come for “el deguello†against those commie Red Sox.â€
Hey GB7 this is your commie friend.
I thought I would give you a heads up that Timlin wants to pitch next year but the Sox aren’t going to pick him up.
This is your guy’s chance! See, I’m always looking out for you GB7.
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Morning, Ray. Just imagine what Timlin’s numbers would look like if he and Giambi get on the same time. Timlin might win 20 games.
Did you ever find out why Wakefield asked for that ball in his last game in Boston against the Yanks? That is still a curious thing.
By the way, for a Commie, you ain’t bad.
Well, mel, I agree with Roberts on 660 that the Yanks should look at a 6-man rotation. You play the hot hand, safeguard from injury, and give Joba a little break to meet his innings limit.
Wang, Joba, Pettitte or Mussina, then you pick up two free agents. I don’t think the Yankees are even going to consider Hughes or Aceves that 6th starter. I would give Pavano an incentive-laden contract and see what he can do for you. I’m not ready to count on Hughes and Aceves doesn’t have the largest sample size.
(This is from a news article. I don’t know the new hidden trick for italicizing…)
If Mike Mussina decides to pitch next year, the New York Yankees could make room for him in their uncertain starting rotation.
Mussina turns 40 next month and is coming off the first 20-win season of his career. While he needs just 30 wins to reach 300, at the end of the year he sounded as if he was leaning toward retirement.
“We just obviously have needs in the starting rotation. He certainly could be one of those guys that fills a need, without a doubt,” Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said Monday as the GM meetings began. “I just know that we need starting pitching, and it’s not just one. We’re not going to be one and done. We need multiple.”
HEY MIKE! COME ON BACK!!!!!
Nov.4th 8:52am: Peavy’s agent, Barry Axelrod, says they have not given approval for the Yankees or Angels. Axelrod reiterated that the Yankees would have to pay a premium (likely an extension). Towers said he doesn’t believe the Angels would have to pay the same premium.
The sad thing is we will not have to read comments all day about Pavano and Cashman”saying” he might bring him back. I agree this is more about keeping all options open and not ruling anyone in or out than actually picking up the option.
After Cashman takes care of what he considers the #1 priority (pitching) he will then focus on the other obvious needs. Since Boras well knows this, neither Tex nor Manny will be signed until the Yankees make up their mind which one to take. I would expect this to occur no earlier than mid December. Boras’ obvious conflict of interest (“dual representation”) will serve the Yankees well, but not the Angels or the Dodgers. Interesting alignment of power.
“Just say no to Lowe!”
Interesting piece by Crasnick on ESPN yesterday. 15 GM’s were asked, Who would you rather sign to a 4 yr deal, Burnett or Lowe?
Lowe was the preferred choice of 60% of the GM’s. A little evidence that reliability counts.
The Denver Post had the following tid-bit today: “Keep an eye on free agent Carl Pavano. The Rockies likely will pursue him if the Yankees don’t re-sign the right-hander”
Pavano does seem to be attracting some interest and I was intrigued by the net value of his option weeks ago but as a Shef tyhpe trade rather than the Yankees keeping him. The problem is even if the Yanks picked up the option with the idea that they would eat some salary to include him in a trade to spare one of the younger arms from having to be used, Pavano still has a full no trade which would have to be navigated.
Fredo, who said it had to be a four-year deal? Based on Burnett’s history I can understand the vote for Lowe. But I wouldn’t want a four-year deal anyway. I would hope the Yankees could go with two and a team option for a third for Burnett. I wouldn’t want Lowe for a quarter of a season! The guy’s an AL joke. Cripes at least Burnett knows the league!
My brother voted this morning in Arlington Va.. Long lines it took him 2 hours and 59 minutes to vote.
Trish:
You won’t get Burnett for less than 4 years. Toronto’s already gone there. Will NOT happen for less than 4 wherever he ends up.
One more point, Trish
Lowe’s AL ERA = 3.88 over 1000+ innings
Burnett’s AL ERA = 3.94 over 500+
Last 7 years, Lowe’s averaged 208 IP per season
Last 7 years, Burnett’s averaged 154 IP per season.
I’m not advocating one or the other in this case. Burnett will probably end up 4 yrs/$68-$70M, which to me is ridiculous for a guy whose numbers have never caught up with his preceived talent level.
Remember, if you are bloviating about other people following YOUR conscience and voting, that in addition to places where people are not allowed to vote there are those places where people are not allowed to not vote — their government or their employer herds them into buses and trucks them to the polls to vote ‘the right way’. The rights that matter are the ones that allow me to follow my own conscience, not yours.
That said, in my own opinion we can know enough to make a meaningful choice in local elections, and for my own conscience that means that if there are significant local issues being decided my place is at the polls. Voluntarily.
Fredo, gotcha.
I guess then I would only say that I would not want to see Lowe on the Yankees.