Two non-moves for the Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 03, 2008 
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No Gillick? Oh my God, the season is over! Doooooooooooooom!!
Sorry, knee jerk reaction.
Thank God, Cameron is off the table.
Actually, Pete, Cameron could still be traded to the Yankees, and maybe Milwaukee picked up the option with that in mind, to trade him.
“Thank God, Cameron is off the table.”
Not necessarily. Can’t MIL just turn around and trade him? Picking up a guy’s option doesn’t mean you are keeping him.
well, able to cross one name off the shopping list (Gillick)
CC Sabathia
Matt Holliday
Hank Blalock
Mark Loretta
Vinny B,
add Garko to that list. lol
Cameron is still a tradeable option, which is what I’ll think will happen before the season is over. Whether or not that’s to the Yankees is debateable.
Yeah, I thought I read somewhere last week (likely MLBTR) that there was a good chance Milwaukee would pick up Cameron’s option to trade him. He could still end up a Yankee, I think it’s a move A-Rod’s been endorsing for some time. I guess he’d be like Minky’s stand-in? haha.
Nah, but seriously, I’d rather have Mark Kotsay as a stopgap in CF anyway. So this doesn’t trouble that much but it makes a Kotsay signing more necessary, especially is the trade cost for a DeJesus or Winn is going to be prohibitive.
Great, now the Cameron for CF talk can be laid to rest. I know hes decent but another late 30′s OF please NO!
Cameron would have been a mistake. His fielding, excellent for a long time and his most compelling suit, slipped considerably this past year. He never hit much for the average, but has some power. Great clubhouse presence for the younger players and a new buddy of CC’s…..both of which were compelling reasons for the Brewers.
Add Adam Dunn to that shopping list and you guys will be complimenting me in 1&1/2 seasons on my foresight when he is putting up out of this world OPS numbers as a full time DH!
Blalock or Garko, would be fine by me.
if NYY were to get Holliday, i don’t expect they would get Blalock. Too many propects, moving the other way
What about trading for Gary Matthews Jr if the yanks can get the Angels to eat most of the salary?
The LA teams have a penchant for signing duds in the outfield for overpriced deals. Though not quite as bad as Aundrew Jones, and slightly worse than Juan Pierre, Matthews was horrible. Like Cameron, his defensive prowess has diminished. I would rather have Gardner or Melky over either of them.
Hey Reacher- are you a Lee Child fan?
Gary Matthews Jr? Um?? Why not try to get Andruw Jones, Aaron Rowand and Juan Pierre while we’re at it?
The Angels eating his contract isnt going to make him suck any less.
Speaking of Blalock I read on MLBTR that the Rangers are “targeting” Ian Kennedy. That would make it easy for us to get Blalock but I think better options are out there. I think they may be the only team who actually wants Kennedy though, so maybe we’re not in a position to pass up that offer?
“Great clubhouse presence for the younger players and a new buddy of CC’s…..both of which were compelling reasons for the Brewers.”
Sounds like as compelling a reason for a team trying to sign CC too.
Interesting stat from NYDN pertaining to Cameron:
Bobby Abreu, Mike Cameron, Carlos Delgado, Brian Giles, Vladimir Guerrero, Derek Jeter, Chipper Jones, Manny Ramirez and Alex Rodriguez are the only players who have 300 at-bats and an OPS+ of 100 or above in each of the last 10 seasons.
Honestly, the only player I care about the Yankees getting right now is CC. Everything else will be gravy.
“Speaking of Blalock I read on MLBTR that the Rangers are “targeting†Ian Kennedy. That would make it easy for us to get Blalock but I think better options are out there. I think they may be the only team who actually wants Kennedy though, so maybe we’re not in a position to pass up that offer?”
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are you serious? link please.
Blalock does not impress me. I think Kennedy will straighten himself out. Is a #5 starter worth a fading IF? Casey Blake I think would be a better 1b man than Blalock.
If we get Tex, we don’t need to trade for an outfielder.
BTW, we’re the only team down on Ian Kennedy.
He’s going to be a major league pitcher. What’s not known at this point, is which team. I think that the NL would be perfect for him, if he’s the type of pitcher that needs to hit his spots in order to be successful.
Not that Kennedy can’t pitch for the Yankees. But if we get 1 or 2 FA pitchers. Plus Wang, plus Joba, plus Hughes (maybe), plus Brackman (major league contract), he might be the odd guy out.
Kennedy was a very good college pitcher, so we know he can pitch. The argument could be made, though, that all 3 amigos were rushed. Nothing that can’t be fixed, of course. And there’s nothing we can do about Joba’s shoulder woes.
“BTW, we’re the only team down on Ian Kennedy.”
That’s because we’ve seen him in action and worse yet, have listened to his post game interviews.
I think that he would do well in the NL. But he is clearly not Yankee material.
Laura,
I mean, really. Even Clippard and DeSalvo made rosters on other teams.
“Interesting stat from NYDN pertaining to Cameron:
Bobby Abreu, Mike Cameron, Carlos Delgado, Brian Giles, Vladimir Guerrero, Derek Jeter, Chipper Jones, Manny Ramirez and Alex Rodriguez are the only players who have 300 at-bats and an OPS+ of 100 or above in each of the last 10 seasons.”
Pat,
I’m not sure which side of the Cameron fence you are on, I say stay away, he doesn’t help the team much. As far as the Daily News stat, it sounds like a good example of how stats can be found to back up any argument you want to make.
Cameron is the kind of big K hitter who feeds on mistakes from average pitchers that has been killing the Yanks in the postseason the last few years. Well, not in ’08, at least.
“I mean, really. Even Clippard and DeSalvo made rosters on other teams.”
Good point, mel. There’s some team out there for every one.
““BTW, we’re the only team down on Ian Kennedy.â€
That’s because we’ve seen him in action and worse yet, have listened to his post game interviews.
I think that he would do well in the NL. But he is clearly not Yankee material.”
Very good point Laura. IPK is a guy who not only has an attitude problem but also has inferior stuff. He should have never been grouped with Joba and Phil.
Ed: Of course now that I’m looking for the link I can’t find it. I also can’t remember if I read it directly from their site, or from one of the articles they link to. It’s like a needle in a haystack! I promise I’m not just pulling it out of thin air tho, haha, but looks like that is the best I can do.
Sunny: I like Casey Blake over Blalock as well. He’s certainly more versatile. I think if we’re going to trade Kennedy I’d rather get another interesting young player in return, maybe one whose stock has also dropped. But with Blalock, there are no surprises, you know exactly what you’re getting and it aint that great. The only surprise would be if he falls off a cliff and gives us nothing, though that wouldnt exactly shock me. I think Cash will be much more creative both in finding a 1b and in dealing IPK, if he does.
The problem with Kennedy though, is that on one hand we don’t want to sell low, and on the other hand, how is he ever going to rebuild his value here when he obviously cant be trusted in important games and clearly cant handle NY? It’s a catch 22.
If you get a chance, check out Cameron’s monthly splits for 2008. He saved himself by having a huge August.
BBB -
I found the link. It said they would trade 1 of their 3 catching prospects, or Hank Blalock for the like of Ian Kennedy.
The art of making a deal is trading a player while their stock is at it’s peak and the team has suspicions about him.
A perfect example is the Braves trading overhyped minor leaguer Andy Marte to the Braves in ’05 for Edgar Renteria. The Braves filled a need at shortstop and gave up a player every scout said was a “can’t miss” prospect. Marte has since been a dismal failure with a career batting average of .211 and obp of .265
Ian Kennedy could very well turn out to be an Andy Marte, a quintessential AAAA player. At best he projects to a #4 or 5 starter. If the Yanks can unload him and fill a need, they should seriously consider doing it now.
Ed & Brandon,
If you want a good laugh. Check out this video. 10 minutes of cacophony. 4 ball players on a tiny jet arguing about the GOAT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YvqP_SvZ0Y
“A perfect example is the Braves trading overhyped minor leaguer Andy Marte to the Braves in ‘05 for Edgar Renteria.”
So did the Braves win or lose that trade?
Ed: Wow, that makes it even more exciting than the way I recounted it! One of their catching prospects? Obviously that can’t mean they’d be willing to move Teagarden, not for Kennedy anyway, no one is that dumb. But if they’d give us Max Ramirez I’d drive Kennedy to Texas myself. Jarrod Saltalamacchia is probably the most realistic target though, and it is an even trade b/c both players’ stock has dropped, and it also provides the Yanks with an insurance policy behind the plate. If we didn’t need him there, he could play 1st. That move may hurt for 2009 as Salty is undeniably a project, but I think it could serve us very well for the future.
Drive- Great point I would try to get max value for IPK before he nose-dives.
“That move may hurt for 2009 as Salty is undeniably a project, but I think it could serve us very well for the future.”
although come to think of it, it wouldnt even have to hurt us for next year if we picked up Kotsay who could play some games at 1b with Gardner substituted for him in CF.
anyone have Cashman’s cell number? lol
Another plus for Saltalamacchia in that deal is that the Yanks do not have names on the back of their jerseys.
Isn’t catcher our deepest position?
BBB,
if you want Teagarden, it starts with Hughes. lol. Ramirez and Salty, Kennedy would be fine.
This notion that Ian Kennedy is a bad kid because of silly comments he made after one game is totally insane.
1. Kennedy apologized the next day.
2. The manager says after every loss that everything is great and it’s no big deal. The kid was saying what he thought they wanted him to say.
3. In talking to Ian over the last two seasons, he is in fact a good kid who cares about his career and the Yankees.
4. This notion that he can’t pitch is ridiculous as well. He was rushed to the majors in 2007 and then awarded a job for no good reason in 2008. Of course he had growing pains. He pitched very well for Scranton down the stretch in the IL pennant race and deserves a chance to mature.
Part of being a good baseball fan is understanding that players don’t develop overnight. You have to have some patience.
“if you want Teagarden, it starts with Hughes. lol. Ramirez and Salty, Kennedy would be fine.”
Seriously doubt they’d take Kennedy. He wouldn’t survive in Texas and they have 5-6 bettere pitching prospects already. Wouldn’t take Hughes, but it would take more than Kennedy.
Mel,
thanks for the video. it was funny and interesting. I got to agree that Jordan is the better than Kobe during his prime. It’s true, that the Lakers became champs because of Shaq. Kobe was just a ball hogger up until last year.
Pete,
11am Eastern or Western for tomorrow’s video chat?
“2. The manager says after every loss that everything is great and it’s no big deal. The kid was saying what he thought they wanted him to say”
Interesting (and fair) point. Has Joe G apologized yet???
You guys also have to stop fixing problems that don’t exist. They’re not trading for a catcher. As Cashman said last week, Posada is their catcher and Molina is their backup. They’re not trading prospects for a young catcher at this stage. If they’re trading prospects, it would be for a player they need in 2009, not 2011.
The only catcher Kennedy will get us is Paul Lo Duca.
Mel, yeah we are pretty deep at catcher but mostly in the lower levels of the minors. Cervelli is the only one who is near ready and I’m not sure what level of MLB talent he projects at. I’ve heard lots of good things about him, but I’ve never heard anyone say he is a future starter in the bigs. Can anyone shed more light on his potential ceiling?
anyway, even if we were absolutely stacked at C a few years down the line, that’s a nice problem to have and puts us in a great trade position like Texas is now.
Pete,
any news on Phil? Is there a reason he hasn’t been starting in the AFL? Is he hurt again?
“4. This notion that he can’t pitch is ridiculous as well. He was rushed to the majors in 2007 and then awarded a job for no good reason in 2008. Of course he had growing pains. He pitched very well for Scranton down the stretch in the IL pennant race and deserves a chance to mature.”
Pete, don’t you think that Kennedy being lumped in with Joba and Hughes, two far more talented guys, set expectations a bit high??? I know the Yankees/Cashman didn’t perpetuate this, but the whole Generation Trey thing was ludicrous and probably led to people thinking Kennedy is more than the good #4/fair #3 type pitcher he projects to be. I think that may have disappointed people as much as anything.
“2. The manager says after every loss that everything is great and it’s no big deal. The kid was saying what he thought they wanted him to sayâ€
I am guilty of wanting to trade Kennedy, but this is indeed an excellent point that I haven’t heard anyone else make before.
I don’t think he’s a bad kid or wish him ill will or anything, just starting to question his ability to thrive under pressure, as much because of his nibbling as his postgame comments. As Pete pointed out though, he was rushed up prematurely so maybe he does deserve more of the benefit of the doubt.
nevermind it looks like he’s starting tonight
BBB,
I hear you, but to say that Salty’s been a disappointment is an understatement. I wouldn’t trade for him.
Mike:
They don’t pitch every 5th day in Zona. More like every 7th or 8th day. Also worth noting that Phil was chosen to start the AFL answer to MLB’s allstar game, which was about a week ago and does not reflect in his numbers.
Of course, part of being a good baseball fan is exhibiting patience with prospects. The same can be said with General Managers. It was Brian Cashman that showed zero patience and rushed both Hughes and Kennedy last year.
Ian Kennedy is not garbage,but he’s likely not a top of the rotation starter either.IMO, if the Yanks were to lose out on Texiera,they should at least entertain offers for Kennedy in an effort to acquire a first baseman.
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