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The agent for CC Sabathia say his client has en open mind about the Yankees. This report from the GM Meetings also has details on Robinson Cano, Ian Kennedy, a new Yankee and some of Brian Cashman’s plans.
Mark Feinsand of the News has a story today suggesting that the Yankees will consider bringing back Carl Pavano. It’s not speculation, there are quotes from the parties involved.
There’s a chance that Pavano could well be a productive pitcher again. But bringing him back would send a terrible message to the fans and to the clubhouse given his history. I also find it hard to believe Pavano would not want to make a clean break. This is likely a long shot and for Cashman’s sake, I hope so.
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“Peavy has said forcefully he wants to stay in the National League. But he has agreed to consider AL teams, at least the Yankees and the Angelsâ€
This would be a big mistake if the yanks trade for him, he is a very good pitcher, but, he’s like Scott Kasmir he goes 5+ inn. and 105 pitches, and thats in the “NLâ€.
Someone wrote on the last thread that the Yankees would have to sign an extension to get Peavy.
-Hughes
-Melky
-Prospect
-Prospect
-4 yrs/$63M
-Extension
No thanks. Just give me Burnett.
No, no, no to Peavy. He’ll get killed in the AL.
I think that we are going to end up regretting letting Abreu go. Everyone here knows how I much I like Nady. He’s a good player and yes, he’s wicked hot in the looks department. But he is not as good as Abreu is at getting on base. He’s going to strike out more and walk less than Bobby does. Mark my words – it’s going to be a mistake, especially if we don’t land Texeira (which could happen).
As usual the Yankees (and the Angels) are brought up as possible teams a player would waive his no trade for (in this case Peavy) It drives his value up. He is not coming to the Yankess or the Angels. Besides who we gonna give up? Cano? Hughes? Te would want the earth for him.
Towers (Padres Gm) said just the other day that Peavy was a financial move.
The Braves then said they were not going to trade any of their top prospects for him.
Now Peavy will accept a trade to an AL team?
Sounds like posturing to me….
Price tag on Peavey would be extremely high, but who wants a guy who makes it clear he would rather be somewhere else?
The only way they could bring back Pavano with any credibility would be on a minimal contract with loads of performance incentives. Even then I gotta believe there are better options out there.
is anybody’s video frozen?
According to the article that Peter wrote, Cashman indicated that pitching is the “key to the kingdom” and that while losing Giambi and Abreu will be tough to replace, he seemed to indicate that hitting is a low priority with him.
Brian… multi-tasking, please learn how to do it. Pitching is a key ingredient for a strong club, but as we saw with the Blue Jays, you need to have offense as well in order to get anywhere. Heck, even the Tampa Bay Rays (silliest name in all of baseball), had better pitching overall than Philly, but because of their poorer offense they were done away with by the team that was more balanced.
With Giambi and Abreu likely to be wearing different uniforms the Yankees need to get at least one very strong bat to help make up that difference. Its not all hitting, but you don’t win many games if you don’t score runs.
“But he has agreed to consider AL teams, at least the Yankees and the Angelsâ€
Debunked.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11.....136785.htm
“However, Peavy’s rep, Barry Axelrod, said, “We have not given approval for those two teams and we haven’t even been asked to say yes or no.” Axelrod, in fact, said Peavy would almost certainly ask for additional conditions (read more money) to consider going to a team such as the Yankees.”
Buster Olney thinks the Yanks will offer Teixeira 6\120mil.
The only way I take Pavano back is for a 4 year salary at the league minimum to offset the 4 years he stole money from the team. And his new salary would all have to be donated to charity.
Tito Anderson Ken Eddy
Tommy Helen Ellston
Charlie Otis Uncle Ned Titus Randy Yoko
Barry Albert Carl Kevin!!!
Victor Omer Tim Eddy
Ovid Bert Amber Michael Adam!!!
The only way I take Pavano back is if God tells me that I have to do it.
“Buster Olney thinks the Yanks will offer Teixeira 6\120mil.”
Baltimore will top that.
Brandon:
They will. So will the Angels. And Boston.
i really need to remember to bring in headphones for these live chat days…
“And Boston.”
wait. i thought Boston going for Tex wasn’t true or was just a ploy to drive up his price for us? between youk, lowell, and that prospect-whats-his-face, are they seriously going for tex? i’m guessing no.
Blalock and Garko for 1B!!! They would be a cheaper alternatives.
“ohgodno
November 4th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Pete, we’re a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy”
+10 pts.
not many people know the difference, between the two.
Jeter worst fielder in MLB…
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Saucy:
With health uncertainties in Lowell and Ortiz, I think they make a big run at Teixeira. So does Olney, per his report this morning.
6/120 isn’t going to get it done for Tex.
A writer had an interesting take the other day that made it sound like Boras will move Manny before Tex to drive up his price.
He said Boras is marketing Manny based on what A-Rod is paid. Said the pitch is Alex is paid 27 million and Manny is as good or better an offensive player so he deserves “Alex money”.
Once Manny gets his, Boras will flip the script and say that because of his age and the other tools he offers, Tex is deserving of more than Manny because he is a more complete player and years younger.
It really did sound like something Boras would try to orchestrate.
Pete just said in his chat that he thinks Tex stays with the Angels. If that’s the case, I don’t think we should let Abreu walk. We can’t lose Bobby and Giambi and not pick up another big bat. Give Abreu 2 yrs with an option for the 3rd, leave Nady in LF and have a platoon in CF with Damon and Gardner. That’s what I would do.
If we don’t get Tex, who’s replacing Abreu’s production?
I think it’s too big a gamble to assume significant numbers from Matsui and Posada at this point.
“A writer had an interesting take the other day that made it sound like Boras will move Manny before Tex to drive up his price.”
Exactly I’ve been trying to make that point but it falls on deaf ears, Teix knows what’s up Washington/Baltimore, LAA, say hello to $25 MIL per yr. as a mid point.
“He said Boras is marketing Manny based on what A-Rod is paid. Said the pitch is Alex is paid 27 million and Manny is as good or better an offensive player so he deserves “Alex moneyâ€.”
Manny is quite the offensive force, but he’s also older than Alex and comes with a lot of personal issues that the team will have to deal with. Any team that signs Manny for that kind of money needs to have their head examined.
Pavano? Are they kidding?
Do you think he’d come back to play for 4 years at the league minimum, all 4 years non-guaranteed, with performance & longevity incentives that could bring him up to no more than a million a year max?
That would have him actually PLAYING for 4 years for an average of about the 4 years of $10M/per year salary he already has ‘on credit’ in a manner of speaking. The 4 years of league minimum & incentives would approximately equate to compensating him for the games he already pitched over the past 4 years.
If he did that, as a fan I’d welcome him back.
Otherwise, he gotta go.
To reiterate what people have said about him for a while:
If healthy, he can pitch.
Stressing this part of course: IF healthy.
IMO that speculation in the News is for a worst case scenario where the Yanks get absolutely NOTHING for the starting rotation from FA signings & trades, and Mussina doesn’t return.
“Exactly I’ve been trying to make that point but it falls on deaf ears, Teix knows what’s up Washington/Baltimore, LAA, say hello to $25 MIL per yr. as a mid point.”
That’s overpaying for him. I like Tex and would love to see him as a Yankee, but not at 25mil/yr.
“mel
November 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am
If we don’t get Tex, who’s replacing Abreu’s production?”
1 or 2 trades, maybe an additonal FA signing, and a strong bench
“Exactly I’ve been trying to make that point but it falls on deaf ears, Teix knows what’s up Washington/Baltimore, LAA, say hello to $25 MIL per yr. as a mid point.”
…and yet people fail to realize this.
Irabus son –
I just scanned backewards and read your post.
Obviously, you’re a genius.
Don’t look for Boston to top any Yankee offer for Teixeira with John Henry’s hedge funds on iffy grounds.
Money aside, the Yankees can also offer a new Stadium with every luxury a player could ever want opposed to an old, tiny venue with cramped quarters for players.
in all honesty, where can pavano sign? he’s got the reputation of a quitter who’d rather party than play. if a team needs a jerk to be a #5 starter at the league minimum, then look at him. i recognize that pitching is at a premium, but i doubt any contending team will look his way
“Glenn
the Yankees can also offer a new Stadium with every luxury a player could ever want opposed to an old, tiny venue with cramped quarters for players”
Although NYY stadium will not have its own eco-system, featuring an assortment of cockroaches, rats, mice, and wild hawks.
Boras does make a good point about Manny being as good or better than Alex.
The Yankees just might go for 3 or 4 years at 27 mil a year for Manny, which might be a better investment then 8 years for Teix.
If I’m Cashman I’m seriously considering signing Manny, temperament be damned. If they aren’t going to pony up for Teix they need offense from somewhere.
I think a Damon, Manny, Xavier outfield with Matsui DH’ing is one you can live with and then when Matsui and Damon’s contracts are up make Manny DH and sign Holliday to play right and move Nady to left. By then AJax should be ready for CF.
“in all honesty, where can pavano sign?”
the Rockies are interested in him.
“Don’t look for Boston to top any Yankee offer for Teixeira with John Henry’s hedge funds on iffy grounds.”
Henry’s personal fortune has little to do with the team. No owner’s personal fortune does. Steinbrenner, aside from the initial purchase doesn’t put his personal fortune into the Yankees. Rather he reinvest the massive revenues generated by the team into the onfield product. A team’s salary limits hinge on that team’s revenues not the personal wealth of the owner. If that made a difference, the Twins would have a zillion dollar payroll every year. The Boston Red Sox have zippidity doo da in terms of revenue problems. They have plenty of money and according to reports, can add some $40M to payroll this year.
vinny-b,
If that’s the case, I’d rather make a strong push for Tex. You get offense, you get primo defense (finally!), you don’t deplete the farm system for 1 or 2 players. The one or 2 guys you trade for won’t be cheap either if they’re good players. They’re probably older with NTC and may want extensions. We don’t have the bullets to get a Loney AND a Votto. Or whatever X-box scenario that’s dreamt up.
No one’s signing Tex for $25M. 50/50 between the Angels and the Yankees. Yes, the Angels like him and he probably had a great time in the last few months. But he might want to play in the east.
I get that we can trade, but we might be better off just signing the best available 1B.
Vinny, do you like Cody on the bench? It was a very small sample, but he looked pretty good.
“I think a Damon, Manny, Xavier outfield with Matsui DH’ing is one you can live with”
Not sure that’s an outfield the Yankees pitchers will want to live with.
“Don’t look for Boston to top any Yankee offer for Teixeira with John Henry’s hedge funds on iffy grounds.
Money aside, the Yankees can also offer a new Stadium with every luxury a player could ever want opposed to an old, tiny venue with cramped quarters for players”
although, NYY stadium does not have its own eco-system, featuring an assortment of roaches, mice, rats, snakes, and wild hawks.
“do you like Cody on the bench? It was a very small sample, but he looked pretty good.”
Mel, Cody SHOULD HAD made the team over Betemit during Spring Training. I told people since day 1, but people laughed at me. oh well.
The only way i would take Pavano back is if he paid us 40 mil for 4 years. Yes the money he robbed from us.
If Tex is going to get more than a 6 year deal. I say pass on him and see if you can pry Kotchman away from the Braves or Atkins from Colorado.
Who would do better in the a.l.? Peavy or Sheets?
Laura – Ready for ‘09
November 4th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Pete just said in his chat that he thinks Tex stays with the Angels. If that’s the case, I don’t think we should let Abreu walk. We can’t lose Bobby and Giambi and not pick up another big bat. Give Abreu 2 yrs with an option for the 3rd, leave Nady in LF and have a platoon in CF with Damon and Gardner. That’s what I would do.
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what happened to getting younger.
the yankees are going to have a whole team of 40 year old players making 15-25 million dollars a year.
“No one’s signing Tex for $25M. 50/50 between the Angels and the Yankees.”
Wanna bet ?
It’s a given that if both G and Booby are gone, the Yankees need a proven big bat….otherwise write it off even if they do sign CC plus one. Since Cash has not spoken with Abreu’s people(to at least schmooze and keep him on hold) it certainly would seem that he is going to make the big move for either Tex or Manny (not both); if not, ????? Well, there’s always Betamit!!!
I know I’m on record for criticizing a 40% premium on CC, but let’s talk about mere mortals.
The Yankees overpay for everyone. A-rod, Jeter, Mo, Posada, Pettitte, Giambi, Betemit (lol). And Tex, Lowe, AJ, or whomever else we sign.
So I can’t buy the overypay argument except when it’s ridiculous (40%), especially when it’s to fill a need.
Bru:
You make a fair point. This is where Cashman needs to show some creativity. There’s no skill involved in signing Sabathia or other free agents for big money. What’s he going to do to improve the team without breaking the bank, which is his stated goal, is the question.
“No one’s signing Tex for $25M. 50/50 between the Angels and the Yankees.â€
Wanna bet ?
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It was only a few years ago that 25 mil per year for a player was deemed ludicrous….A-Rod’s contract from TX
“what happened to getting younger. the yankees are going to have a whole team of 40 year old players making 15-25 million dollars a year.”
I know, I know. We do need to get younger. And that’s one of the arguments I make for not signing senior citizen Manny Ramirez.
We can let Abreu go, but we have to get a big replacement bat for 1B if they plan on sticking Nady in RF. If we can find a young replacement bat, more power to them. Otherwise, keep Abreu and call it a day. You’re going to be rid of Damon and Matsui in 2010 so that’s two more opportunities to get younger we can look forward to.
Everybody’s complaing about the 2008 bench being so bad. Keep in mind that most of the bench was playing either full time or in half the games. What NYY had on the bench were AAAA players.
Brandon,
Sigh. No, I don’t want to bet. I’m simply expressing an opinion, not laying odds.
Can we not get into it today?
****complaining****
mel we can do whatever you want here.
Fredo,
The defense would be terrible, but I don’t really see other alternatives if they don’t wanna pay for Teix.
Also if they get CC and Burnett to go with Wang, Joba, and Pettitte you have a pitching staff that will rack up on strikeouts and groundouts so you can live with a subpar defensive oufield in my opinion.
If Tex indeed signs with the Angels (or the Sox come in with a trumping bid) get ready for Dreadlocks in Pinstripes…otherwise, it’s a “walk/bloop, bunt and a prayer. They will need much more as the defense remains porous under any set of circumstances.
Brandon,
Thank you. I don’t like fighting with you. Stop trying to pick a fight all the time!
Sabathia Wang Joba Pettitte Hughes (Aceves 6th starter & who ever else emerges in AAA).
That’s my prediction.
Also think Damon is going to be traded and/or perhaps packaged along with some prospects for a first baseman.
Gardner in CF Nady in RF FA in LF
Raymagnetic,
You are on the right wavelength, as Cashman’s actions (or inactions) to date so suggest.
Trevor,
Cool. But you’ll see Nady in LF, if Johnny’s not there.
No reason to think a healthy Matsui and Posada can’t produce what they lose from Giambi and Abreu. Of course, health issues can be a problem with those guys.
If I’m Cashman I’m thinking Manny will ask for more than Tiexiera and Tiexiera is more bang for the buck.
By offering Tiexiera more than other teams will offer him, but less than Manny will be asking, the Yanks come out ahead and save $$$.
And, maybe people will be talking less about needing to add Manny The Irritant to the clubhouse in order to get Manny The Hitter When Hes In The Mood.
And the team’s overall defense will IMPROVE rather than decline to even worse than it was last year.
Spend less, add more … there is no need for Manny.
OK so I really don’t know what I’d be thinking if I was Cashman, but that’s what I’m thinking if I was me.
i think peavy would be very good in the al east. he strikes people out and is a competitor. he doesn’t seem to want to play here though, so that’s that. try for cc, burnett, and lowe in that order.
i also think 1b is a situation that really needs addressing. we owe in to wang to get someone who can handle an off-balance throw. someone who hits .280 and 20 home runs would be fine, as long as they have a glove. miranda? what would kotchman cost?
Ansky,
Thanks!
Marky Mark,
Your political post showed stupidity & so does your candidate.
Fredo,
That’s what I mean. You can’t assume those 2 will be healthy and productive. Acquiring one more bat would be the prudent thing to do.
What’s Dunn’s glove like? Is he the second best 1B on the market? Doesn’t he strike out a lot?
Fredo,
I would not want to go into next season expecting 50 plus home runs and 200 or RBI’s from the Posada/ Matsui combo. Would you?
The Yanks getting younger is going to be a gradual process and not one that can be achieved overnight.
The minor league reload hasn’t been in effect long enough and the nature of the Yankees having to compete while rebuilding means the process will require a little patience.
I wouldn’t touch Dunn. He’s Giambi right now. It’s either a strike out or a home-run. and does not hit for average.
Why is everyone freaking out over our offense…it takes pitching to win
If you look at many of the better teams in the AL & NL, post roid era, they are focusing more on pitching and defense than offense (Tampa, Boston, Toronto, Angels)
The days of the slugging offenses are over…
“Why is everyone freaking out over our offense…it takes pitching to win”
Really? Tell that to TB. They had decent pitching in the WS, but their offense was no where to be found.
Reacher:
Healthy? Probably more like 45 and 190 or so with similar OBP. If Cano and Jeter don’t underperform again and CF isn’t a total black hole, I think the Yankees will be fine.
As I said though, you can’t count on health.
Matsui with his two bum knees is 34 going on 50. He will be on the DL more often than not. When not, he will be vying with Posada for the DH position whose caught stealing rate will hover around 10%. This does not look good.
The days of the slugging offenses are over…
Not to mention, that formula doesn’t work in the postseason
The Yanks should focus on improving their defense, starting pitching, bullpen…
Yanks in 2010,
Agreed. Pitching wins. But why can’t we add a gold glove 1B with a good bat? A patient hitter that adds flexibility to the lineup because he’s a switch hitter? Gee, I wish someone like that actually existed.
Joking aside, we really have to shore up the defense. A real glove at 1B and Gardner in center would be a start.
Fredo,
As a diehard Yankee fan, I certainly hope you are right, but I do believe you are overly optimistic.
Really? Tell that to TB. They had decent pitching in the WS, but their offense was no where to be found.
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Young offense + cold weather + dominant Phillies pitching = no offense
mel: provided we have big CC in the starting rotation, i would go to war with the following team:
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Holliday/Kemp
Matsui
Blalock/Garko
Posada
Cano/Hudson
Gardner
yes. The above team has several variables. It is basically, the point. If Cashman is creative, there is several different directions he may go. Without signing Tex long-term, or bankrupting the farm system. Maybe it means moving Cano in a package for Kemp. Or Hughes in a package for Holliday. Either way, may be done without giving up untouchable prospects or making the team old (Holliday is 28). Also, Damon/Matsui have been mentioned in trade scenarios. At this point, we don’t know how it may all fit together.
other talented GM’s manage to assemble formidable/winning teams without taking the ‘easy’ route. And i know Cashman can. He has options.
far as the bench, haven’t made an evaluation on Ransom. I do like Mark Loretta for a bench role. Like Blalock, he has a knack for delievering key hits, and is a tough out.
Laura,
The scouting department and the whole Philly pitching staff was the MVP of the WS.
They scouted the Rays in the ALCS and saw that they had a tough time with the off-speed stuff. The pitchers went out and executed the plan to perfection, hitting their spots.
Plus, the Rays pitching staff crumbled under the pressure IMO. The games were relatively low scoring, but they allowed a lot of baserunners.
Experience won out in this series.
Agreed. Pitching wins. But why can’t we add a gold glove 1B with a good bat? A patient hitter that adds flexibility to the lineup because he’s a switch hitter? Gee, I wish someone like that actually existed.
Joking aside, we really have to shore up the defense. A real glove at 1B and Gardner in center would be a start.
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If “he” doesn’t sign with us, its not the end of the world…a lineup can be patched together, especially with A-rod in the middle of it…a pitching staff cannot (see Yanks 2008)
“Really? Tell that to TB. They had decent pitching in the WS, but their offense was no where to be found”
It lost to good Philly pitching. Every Philly starter made it into the 7th inning and their bullpen was great. It’s not like the Phillies offense was explosive. They averaged less than 5 runs per game despite scoring 10 in one of them.
“What’s Dunn’s glove like?”
Mattingly’s…….only it’s is made of lead.
Dunn is not a very good defensive player.
new posts folks
get with the times!
err… i mean, journal news!
Fredo Corleone
November 4th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Bru:
You make a fair point. This is where Cashman needs to show some creativity. There’s no skill involved in signing Sabathia or other free agents for big money. What’s he going to do to improve the team without breaking the bank, which is his stated goal, is the question.
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they are in a very tough spot.
trading for any good player will cost tons of prospects and signing tex will cost a ton of money.
a lot of things were done wrong leading up to this.
we need to sign 3 pitchers and sabathia is going to get paid an massive amount of money.
is this the way to go? would it be better to look at dempster and maybe trade cano for a pitcher?
sabathia for 6 or 7 years scares the crap out of me,much more than tex.
i just see all these teams sign tons of big contracts and none of them made it far into the post season.detroit,seattle,cubs.santanna,zito,bedard,hampton.they never work.
it is the smaller moves that work it seems.
signing sabathia and tex will cost close to 50 million and we will still need 2 more pitchers and have a centerfield problem.
with a 209 million dollar payroll how can we have so many problems?
if money is not an issue at all the easiest thing to do is sign sabathia,dempster,tex and another pitcher.our payroll will be the same in 09 because the above players will cost about 75 million,factor in the arbitration raises and it is about what is coming off the books.
the problem with that is every player is locked up long term for huge money except for damon,matsui,nady and after 09 we will need 2 outfielders and probably one of a dh or catcher.
what about moving arod to first and getting a third baseman?,trading hughes,cano for adrian gonzalez or another first baseman?,cano to get a pitcher and hughes to get a first baseman or centerfielder?
Boras is your consummate negotiator. He asks for numbers which he knows he will not get, but it’s Negotiating 101 to ask for far more than you expect, especially if you hold the cards. He does not really “expect” “10″ for Tex and “6″ for Manny. He will take what the market will ultimately give….As to Tex, it’s how desperate the Angels really are, knowing full well that the Yankees will play (but after their pitching needs are satisfied), and as to Manny, whether the LA media pressure pushes the Dodgers to make a “high” proposal that they know will be refused, or tabled, at best. Boras is playing two games with the same deck.
Tex is probably the easier sell for a deal closer to what Boras wants…so he could go first to the Angels and pre-empt the Yankees. That would leave Manny with the Yankees then having no reasonable alternative on the open market.
I just hope we don’t see another Tori Hunter quick deal…Recall last season, the Hunter signing came out of nowhere…….Those who are advocating to address the pitching needs first I believe are correctly dialed in…..Remember with the ( hopeful ) healthy return of Posada and Matsui, the lineup will be stronger and more effective….You can always add the pieces after resolving the most glaring concern Starting Pitching…..
““I think a Damon, Manny, Xavier outfield with Matsui DH’ing is one you can live withâ€
That defense sucks. The only reason it worked for the Red Sox is because they play in a little-league ballpark with retarded dimensions.
I do agree however with the sentiment of having Matsui bail next year and Manny playing backup OF and DH the rest of the time.
“Brandon,
Thank you. I don’t like fighting with you. Stop trying to pick a fight all the time!”
mel,
What can I say it’s a turn on
Laura – Ready for ‘09
November 4th, 2008 at 10:58 am
No, no, no to Peavy. He’ll get killed in the AL.
I think that we are going to end up regretting letting Abreu go. Everyone here knows how I much I like Nady. He’s a good player and yes, he’s wicked hot in the looks department. But he is not as good as Abreu is at getting on base. He’s going to strike out more and walk less than Bobby does. Mark my words – it’s going to be a mistake, especially if we don’t land Texeira (which could happen).
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if the yankees were guaranteed that abraeu would produce his 2008 numbers i might agree but giving a 35 year old a 3 year contract for a lot of money and he is terrible defensively is a bad idea.
we fell in love with his automatic numbers but how long can he do it.right now if his numbers drop his age would be the reason,a younger player not so.
the yankees 2007 production was and should not be a measuring stick in wich it has become.
it was during the ped era.
the yankees do not have to score 1000 runs to win it all and because of the huge dropoff between 2007 and 08 people think we have to at a minimum replace those runs,not so.
they have to win games and that starts with pitching,a balanced team,debth and player developement.
if they win 2 games in a row with a 2-1 score or lose 2 in a row with a 9-8 score the difference is in the 2 wins they scored 4 runs and the 2 losses they scored 16 runs.
point being,don’t get to caught up in numbers,pitching wins but you still have to have a good enough offense.
Ed – looking forward to 2009
November 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am
is anybody’s video frozen?
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watch out sometimes porn videos have viruses