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What about Hughes and Kennedy?

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 05, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Spent a little time here at the St. Regis asking the Yankees how they view Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy these days.

A few interesting things came out of it.

Hughes was throwing 95 in Arizona the other night and the Yankees were thrilled. They’re also enthused about how well Hughes is throwing his cutter.

(As a side note, I was told that the radar gun on the scoreboard in Scranton is absolutely accurate. So when Chad Jennings was reporting on his blog that Hughes was throwing 95 over the summer, it was true.)

The question now is whether Hughes can throw 95 in the majors, which we’ve seen only on occasion. The Yankees still go back to that night in Texas in 2007 or how well he pitched down the stretch of that season once he came back from the hamstring injury.

“He’s had a lot of things happen physically,” Brian Cashman said. “You have to hope that he gets past all that and then, bang, he pops up and he’s that pitcher we all believe he can be.”

I asked Cashman whether he had lost any faith in Hughes.

“It’s not that. I still believe he will be that kind of pitcher,” he said. “But I can’t write him in as a No. 4 or a No. 5. He will come to camp and he has to show us where he is. But to answer your question, no, we haven’t lost any faith in him.”

I still believe that if Hughes had spent most of 2007 in AAA as the Yankees intended, this would not be a topic. He would have matured into a very good big league starter. But when circumstances rushed him to the majors, it threw off his schedule.

Facts are facts: He stood on the mound in Arizona a few nights ago and threw 95 against talented hitters and allowed one hit over five innings and he’s 22. I don’t see how you give up on that sort of talent.

As for Kennedy, the Yankees want him to be more than a guy who commands his fastball and has a nice changeup. He’s throwing a cutter as well and going to Puerto Rico for winter ball could be an important part of his maturation. There seem to be differing opinions within the organization about his makeup, which has been the case for a while.

I do think that by the time spring training rolls around, the Yankees will have used either Kennedy or Hughes as part of a trade package. But it’s going to take a lot for Cashman to move Hughes.

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87 Responses to “What about Hughes and Kennedy?”

  1. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 5th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    November 5th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
    Francessa: Cano and Austin Jackson, for McClouth

    the man is crazy

  2. Jimmy27 November 5th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Can some please explain the fascination with Orlando Hudson.

  3. Doreen November 5th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Re: Francessa -

    Do you think he actually believes in the things he says, regarding trades such as the above, or is he merely trying to generate controversy and phone calls?

  4. EvoLuTioN November 5th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    trading cano will bite us in the ***

  5. Jimmy27 November 5th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    -someone-

  6. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 5th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Pete:

    thank you for the report on Hughes. But why didn’t you ask Cashman the question/theory regarding Hughes mechanics?

    I happen to believe the theory. As it have coincided with Hughes lack of performance the past 1+ year (even when he’s been healthy)

  7. Trevor November 5th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    I’m not one who pays much attention to the radar gun but how is it we never see Hughes throwing 95 in the majors but we hear about 95 in the minors now Arizona?

  8. frits November 5th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    “Facts are facts: He stood on the mound in Arizona a few nights ago and threw 95 against talented hitters and allowed one hit over five innings and he’s 22. I don’t see how you give up on that sort of talent.”

    Uh…right. Here’s the thing.

    Prior to this start, Hughes had a layoff of eight or nine days. His start prior to this vacation: 4R, 1ER, 2BB, 2 HR. 50 pitches, 27 balls. Not pretty.

    To call the Arizona hitters “talented” is a bit of an overstatement. As waswatching put it:

    “Coming into this game, the Surprise Rafters – who Hughes faced – were batting .243 as a team. Regardless, tomorrow, Yankees fanboy bloggers will proclaim that this is the Phil Hughes that we can expect to see pitching for the Yankees in the near future.”

    Sounds about right.

  9. Alex November 5th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    i like Cano much more than Hudson, and he’s still young

  10. SJ44 November 5th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Did Francesa really propose that trade Vinny?

    If he did, its further evidence that Diet Coke has the same principles to one’s brain cells as crack.

    Be forewarned Pete. Too much Diet Coke and your brain will get as fried as Francesa’s.

  11. pat November 5th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Giving up on 22 or 23 year old pitchers is a mistake.

    Trading them for the betterment of the team may not be a case of giving up on them though it just may be it’s the best way to upgrade the overall team.

  12. al arodien November 5th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    well the elections is over now back to baseball!
    I truly believe that we have to stick with hughes even now he doesnt pitch that great but i like his mentality! About Kennedy.. try to get popcorn for him or whatever!

  13. jason November 5th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    frits – it has been documented that Phil had a fingernail problem his last couple of outings (including the rising stars game). That is why the layoff.
    If you look at Hughes’ first couple of starts up to the third inning three games ago in Arizona and then this last one (taking out the fingernail issue)he has been stellar in a hitters league.
    The cutter is a very important pitch for him.
    I hope he has been working on the change. If that comes around the sky is the limit. Even if he is at 92 and not 95, with the great curve, a good cutter and a good change he will be at minimum good. 22 Years old, cost controlled and “good” is very desireable. He has also shown he can pitch under pressure last season down the stretch and in the playoffs. This year in Scranton’s championship run he was dominant. He has also shown he can pitch in NY.

  14. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Francessa bragging about when he saw Liberace

  15. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) November 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    I agree. Don’t trade Hughes.

  16. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) November 5th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Especially don’t trade someone who doesn’t want to be here.

  17. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) November 5th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    sorry for my English. What I want to say is don’t trade him for someone who doesn’t want to be here.

  18. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 5th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    SJ: I took it that way. Francessa stated he wanted a CF for NYY, reafirmed how perfect McClouth would be. Actually he proclaimed McClouth will do for NYY, what Paul O’Neil did (his words). And said he believes it will take Cano & AJax, to make the trade.

  19. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 5th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    “Francessa: Cano and Austin Jackson, for McClouth

    the man is crazy”

    The man is stupid.

  20. Peter Abraham November 5th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Seriously, somebody looked at the team batting average of the team Phil faced the other night?

    Totally meaningless. The AFL has expanded rosters and players shuffle in and out of batting orders and games. It’s a league for individuals to get their work in. Teams send their best prospects there.

    He had a layoff because he cracked his fingernail digging it into a seam. It happens with every pitcher.

    Why do so many people try and run this kid down?

  21. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 5th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Up until this past season, McClouth was nothing but a 4th OFer. Francessa needs to do his research first.

  22. Brent November 5th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    “Francessa: Cano and Austin Jackson, for McClouth

    the man is crazy”

    That makes me sick to my stomach.

    Or we could just sign Orlando Hudson and ask him/make him play centerfield..a position he’s never played.

    “Free-agent second baseman Orlando Hudson’s name was floated in one hard-to-believe rumor that made the rounds in the hotel lobby: Hudson to the New York Yankees to play center field. Hudson, a three-time Gold Glove winner at second base, has never played any other position in his career.”

  23. Michael November 5th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Hughes needs to remain untouchable.

    There’s no one on the market that is worth trading Hughes for.

    I would take Hughes over Peavy anyday.

  24. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and show CC the money (and food)! November 5th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Listening to Francesa-I don’t even know what to say anymore about some of his “idears”.

  25. R+ November 5th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    It’s funny how good the reports are of Hughes in the minors and/or Fall League, but in the majors, his stuff looks pedestrian. He has yet to demonstrate his scouting report velocity at the ML level. If anything, he should be throwing harder than normal because he is amped up.

    It’s like he is from Japan lol

  26. SJ44 November 5th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Good Lord, the man is crazy.

    If the Yankees ever packaged Cano and AJax they have to set their sights a helluva lot higher than Nate McClouth.

    A below average CF, who has had ONE good offensive year in the majors, is not worth your two best (arguably) under 30 year old position players in your organization.

    To compare McClouth to O’Neill is simply nuts. Just because both hit lefthanded, doesn’t make them similar players.

    By the time the Yankees traded for O’Neill, he had a World Series ring and was a helluva lot better all around player than McClouth. In fact, its not even close.

    I get the fact that its a slow newsday and he has to try and generate calls.

    However, acting like an idiot is not the way to do it.

  27. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets are tied for first!) November 5th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    “He stood on the mound in Arizona a few nights ago and threw 95 against talented hitters and allowed one hit over five innings and he’s 22. I don’t see how you give up on that sort of talent.”

    Sorry I disagree. Those hitters are AA hitters at best and Phil SHOULD dominate them I’m not ready to annoint him “untouchable” we did that last year and it got us no playoffs. It is very ignorant to take a player off the table if a trade could yield an even better player. If anything Cano should be untouchable the guy is 25 years old and was 2 BA points away from a batting title. Hughes to date has had 3-4 dominant appearances in the majors that doesn’t make the guy untouchable.

  28. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 5th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Hudson’s speed and how he reads balls could make him a damn good OF.

  29. 7 UP November 5th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Why do people even dignify Francessa’s comments?

  30. frits November 5th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Steve Lombardi of waswatching.com did it. You can ask him why he did it, and if the stats are just for the AZL or what. Its just a caution not to read too much into his “dominating” performance, just as you similarly caution us when Hughes pitches the entire 2008 season with multiple injuries and a 7+ ERA.

    Not trying to run him down, but there’s no point in hyping him either. He is what he is.

  31. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 5th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    “Or we could just sign Orlando Hudson and ask him/make him play centerfield..a position he’s never played. ”

    Wrong. Hudson played a total of 22 minor league games in the OF.

    http://thebaseballcube.com/pla.....dson.shtml

    …NExT!!!

  32. frits November 5th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    http://waswatching.com/2008/11.....-as-nails/

  33. Brent November 5th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Why do so many people try and run this kid down?

    Good question..I’ve always thought that if Hughes could stay healthy that he would be a great addition to the pitching staff..and since our staff currently consists of Wang, Joba and (hopefully) Pettitte, hoping Hughes can finally prove himself is high on my wish-list for this upcoming season.
    I have no problem throwing him into the 5th-man role and see if he can do well enough to cement his spot in the Yankee’s rotation.

  34. Soul November 5th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    I do agree Pete, that one of Hughes or Kennedy will be traded by ST.

    I’d bet on Hughes because he has actual value and can bring back a nice young position player. If we sign 2 FA pitchers like Cash says we are, this makes it more probable.

    What in the world would Kennedy bring back? A bench player?

  35. PAT M. November 5th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    It’s been said so many times before, he’s going to be real good…If it were not for the Sanatana deal last winter, many here would be embracing him with love…..As for the Angels and CC Sabathia, there has been not one hint of intereset by Anaheim…Taht’s not to say they will not as the process moves forward…However they have many young pitchers that will be hitting arbitrtaion soon…Lackey is already there…They very well may pull off a Tori Hunter quick deal on CC, but I jsut don’t see that…..

  36. Patrick November 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    I mentioned this in a previous post but what does everyone thinking of signing Jim Edmonds to a 1 year deal? He had a very good year at the plate and his defense is still good enough. He’d be cheap and open to a short term deal. That would allow Jackson to spend the year in AAA and hopefully be the starter in 2010. I think Edmonds makes a ton of sense and if he fails we always have Gardner/Cabrera to fall back on.

  37. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “Why do people even dignify Francessa’s comments”

    pure entertainment value.

  38. Brent November 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    “Or we could just sign Orlando Hudson and ask him/make him play centerfield..a position he’s never played. ”

    Wrong. Hudson played a total of 22 minor league games in the OF.

    http://thebaseballcube.com/pla.....dson.shtml

    …NExT!!!

    You’re right. He’s practically a gold-glove CFer. :-)

  39. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and show CC the money (and food)! November 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    “Why do so many people try and run this kid down?”

    ———————————————-

    Because some expect perfection from him and have no patience. If he is not performing how they want/expect him to, the claws are coming out. If he gives up a hit-trade him now! If he’s not hitting 95-he never will.

    Plus he is a reminder that a certain pitcher many wanted for the Yankees, whose name is similar to Mohan Pantana, is instead pitching for the Mets and some people can’t let that go.

    So in a nutshell, basically some fans are just stupid. :)

  40. John November 5th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Atleast Cashman learned from his mistake and is not giving him a spot in the rotation next year.

  41. Fredo Corleone November 5th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    “Totally meaningless. The AFL has expanded rosters and players shuffle in and out of batting orders and games. It’s a league for individuals to get their work in. Teams send their best prospects there”

    Pete, it’s AA/AAA level ball. At best. We’ve already seen him dominate at that level. Whenever he stinks, it’s meaningless and he’s just getting his work in. When he gets AA guys out for 5 innings, we’re supposed to turn cartwheels?

    “Why do so many people try and run this kid down?”

    Suggesting a trade involving him is not running him down. Just bloggers making suggestions for ways to better the team.

  42. Vader November 5th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Keep up the great work Pete.

    If I remember correctly, I think that CC wanted have his deal done by Thanksgiving. Have you heard that he will do this quickly?

  43. Drain003 November 5th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Where is this mythical 95 MPH fastball?

    He has it everywhere except Yankee Stadium.

  44. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    SJ: do you believe NYY should approach this fall/winter, as they have in the past, and let other teams set the market, before operating? In particular, with this state of economy?

  45. Outlawz November 5th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Nobody is bringing Hughes down— we are just being realistic.

    He cannot be counted upon for anything. He has to prove to us that he is worth the type. He has been injury prone and has yet to show the “knock out” stuff that his scouting reports said he did. And his disappearing/re-appearing velocity is just frustrating. He hasn’t showed the minor league velocity here.

  46. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 5th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    And send CC his complementary Turkey.

  47. Fredo Corleone November 5th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    “Where is this mythical 95 MPH fastball?”

    Not unrealistic to see him hit 95 here and there. Would be unrealistic to think he sits there though. Seem to remember him sitting 92-94, occasionally ratcheting it up a little beyond that.

  48. Laura - Ready for '09 November 5th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    For me to be on board with NYY trading Hughes, we better be getting one helluva package back. I’m talking a front line starter and a top of the line position player. Otherwise, leave the kid alone and wait for him to become the pitcher they think he can be.

  49. TeKNetiCK November 5th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    I think people are just frustrated with him and are no longer hyping him based on his 2006 season, which many are doing. We are taking a wait and see approach.

    Nobody is giving up on him, we’re just not viewing him the same way we did in 2006 and he has to re-establish himself.

    Too many people think he is automatically destined for greatness based on one good minor league season, it doesn’t work that way. He has to change the perception.

  50. Bobby November 5th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    “I still believe that if Hughes had spent most of 2007 in AAA as the Yankees intended, this would not be a topic. He would have matured into a very good big league starter. But when circumstances rushed him to the majors, it threw off his schedule.”

    OK….except he pitched pretty well in Sept and Oct of 07 for a team in a pennant race. AAA would’ve been a better experience for him? Do you really think AAA would’ve “matured” him more? Give me a break. It’s not like he kept saying to himself, “I’m not on schedule to be a major league pitcher until 2008, so I shouldn’t bother getting better.” The only time rushing a pitcher to the majors has a negative effect is if you have somebody who is not mentally ready (i.e. Zach Greinke) and they can’t handle the ups and downs. And Greinke rebounded anyway. If the team can afford to take the hit, you should develop in the majors if their talent level warrants it. I thought that was common sense.

    I truly believe Hughes’ MLB experience from 07 was beneficial to him. And something tells me he’d say the same thing.

    On the same token though, I still think its silly for the Yanks not to include him in trade discussions. This myth of “you can only win by developing your own pitchers” gets debunked basically every year. Sure, it can only help for budgetary reasons but for every winner that developed the core of its pitching staff (03 Marlins, 08 Phillies), you have one that signed or traded for the core of their staff (04 Red Sox, 06 Cardinals). If there’s something out there to improve the 2009 Yankees, Hughes shouldn’t be untouchable.

  51. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets are tied for first!) November 5th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    If the Yanks are going to trade Phil it better be for a STUD position guy however IPK needs to go even if we can get some bullpen help it would be worth it.

  52. Y26 November 5th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    If we could get a stud position player like Loney, Bruce, Votto etc. I would trade Hughes in a second.

  53. bdog375 November 5th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    You CANNOT trade Hughes. That window is gone. Santana was the prize, and the opted to keep Hughes – which is fine.

    Kennedy should certainly be bait, though I am not sure what we can get for him.

  54. Fredo Corleone November 5th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    “I’m talking a front line starter and a top of the line position player.”

    He’s not worth that, Laura. He’s not a front line starter himself. Can’t overrate your prospects (though fans of all teams do) and you certainly have to recognize the difference between potential (Phil has plenty) and accomplishment (Phil has none).

  55. Devil's Advocate November 5th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Nobody is ‘running Hughes down’.

    Not going ga-ga over him dominating AA hitters in the AZL is far from running him down. Let him prove it at the ML level. He has dominated the minors for years, it is not indicative of anything. He should dominate this league.

  56. SDYankee November 5th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    In the same category as quoting the rafters team BA earlier in this thread, After Hughes left the game, the same lineup that he one-hit and struck out more than half batters scored 5 runs over four innings.

    Hughes is too young to give up on, so is IPK for that matter. Giving up guys like this and signing the big dollar free agents is what got us here in the first place.

    Everyone of the arms on the market today has a question mark and their best years were spent with someone else for a lot less money.

  57. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 5th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    “Hughes is too young to give up on, so is IPK for that matter”

    I agree on Hughes. Clippard, i mean Kennedy, is a different matter.

  58. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 5th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Heyman and Francessa claim Pat Gillick is still on the market ??

  59. Zolio November 5th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Amazing how people keep talking about Hughes and saying “We can’t trade him now because we held him for Santana”.

    Completely false. He was on the table, available for the Twins taking for 48-72 hours. Bill Smith got greedy and wanted Jackson/Tabata/Kennedy as the 3rd player in the deal. Cashman balked. Hank got frustrated. The thing then invariably fell apart.

    If Bill Smith had not gotten greedy and accepted the Hughes/Melky/Marquez when it was first offered to him, Santana would be here already. He tried to squeeze more out of us and Hank made those “Every team tries to fleece the Yankees” and the then Smith got mad and everyone moved on.

    Thats why it is foolish to blame Cashman for not including Hughes and saying he cost us Santana. It was the 2nd player in the deal who nixed the trade, not Hughes. Hughes was right there for Bill Smith if he wasn’t greedy.

  60. LLIME November 5th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    So funny how people lump Hughes and Kennedy together.

    Hughes is a guy with good stuff, a former #1 pitcher in baseball, good mental makeup.

    Kennedy is a soft tosser with no upside, average stuff, and is delusional.

    There is a reason the Yankees didn’t bring up Kennedy in September to enjoy the final week of Yankee Stadium and a reason that Carl Pavano was upping his value on our watch and Ponson/Rasner made 40 starts between them…. it was an indictment on what they thought of Kennedy. Hughes was rehabbing, he had an excuse. Kennedy was putting up great numbers all summer and was ignored.

  61. mel November 5th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Lots of Yankee chatter:

    Jim Callis: Melancon checked in at No. 9. I hate to force comps and I can’t think of an obvious one for Melancon, but I will say that he’s got the best chance of any Yankees farmhand to eventually take over from Rivera as closer. That is, if Rivera ever stops being money.
    ————————————————————
    Sean (NYC): is it time to panic as Austin Jackson keeps struggling? (2K’s and no hits last night)

    Jim Callis: No! Regulars to these chats know my mantra about not worrying about fall/winter stats too much. Jackson is going to be a solid big league regular for the Yankees.

    Kevin(the berkshires): What do you think about Cano and Hughes and Matsui to the M’s for Felix Hernandez ?

    Jim Callis: I think there’s our Ridiculous Yankees-Related Trade Selection of the Week.

    KO (PIttsfield, MA): Any thoughts on the Yankees making a play for Nick Swisher to play 1B?

    Jim Callis: Wouldn’t be a bad move if they couldn’t land Teixeira. I think Swisher will bounce back some in 2009, providing HR and OBP at a reasonable cost.

    Andy (MA): Joba, Lester, Lincecum…Rank em’ 2 years down the road.

    Jim Callis: Lincecum, Lester, Joba. Joba still has to prove he can hold up as a starter.

    Joel (Cincy, OH): Jim, Love your insights. As a follow up to Ben’s question,Who is the bigger bust at this point in his career, Hughes or Bailey? They were the top two pitching prospects for a few years and as high as #4 and #5 overall.

    Jim Callis: Bailey would be the bigger bust at this point. Hughes has had more big league success and he hasn’t been 100 percent very much due to nagging injuries.
    ————————————————————
    Ryan (Astoria, NY): Niese/Pelfrey or Joba/Hughes?

    Jim Callis: Joba/Hughes, not close.

    Garrett (CT): Joba/Hughes/Kennedy or Lester/Buckholz/Bowden?

    Jim Callis: Lester/Buchholz/Bowden.

    Nelson P (NYC): Ridiculous Yankees-Related Trade Selection of the Week Take 2: If Hughes+ Melky + Kennedy (equivalent to Hughes + Cano I think) could have gotten us Johan last year, what could Hughes + Cano get us now?

    Jim Callis: The problem is that every one of those four players has taken a hit in terms of trade value. So they’re not going to bring back as much as you might think.

  62. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets are tied for first!) November 5th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Honestly I’m not hurt by missing on Santana. Would we have made the playoffs, yes in all likelihood. However now we have a shot to get a pitcher who IMO will be better than Johan over the next 5-6 years in CC Sabathia. Santana went to the league with far less offense and suddenly lost 3-5 mph off his fastball. Sure he had a good year but the last thing I want is a guy with decreasing stuff. CC is a beast 250 IP 250 K’s the guy is a machine who will be a better fit for us in the long-run. Now all he will cost is money, Cash go get it done.

  63. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 5th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Mel: I like his take on AJax.

  64. Yankee1010 November 5th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Anyone who is citing Steve Lombardi might as well have their Flat Earth Society membership upgraded while they’re at it. Lombardi couldn’t be more retarded.

  65. Scott November 5th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    they need to keep Hughes. Good young starters don’t grow on trees.

    Kennedy I would be wary of trading him right now. His value is low and I still think he could be a Kevin Slowey type pitcher.

  66. steve November 5th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    i’d shop hughes for the right player, he shouldn’t be “untouchable” the way that joba or someone is.

  67. Fredo Corleone November 5th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Swisher?? That’s semi interesting. Tough year in Chi last year, but historically a very nice OBP guy with power. Switch hitter, has some position flexibility and for my money is nowhere close to as bad as his numbers in ’08 were (We’ll call this the Cano Syndrome).

  68. O*Line November 5th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Callis is right.

    Joba (and Hughes) for that matter need to prove they can stay healthy for 200 innings. So far, there are nothing but red flags.

    Health trumps talent.

  69. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 5th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    “Swisher?? That’s semi interesting. Tough year in Chi last year, but historically a very nice OBP guy with power. ”

    2008 would his his lost season, and his worst career year. Ozzie Guillen seriously misused him this past season. Swisher isn’t a leadoff hitter, or meant to be in the #2 hole.

    I remember last offseason, when the White Sox acquired Swisher, some certain Yankee fans were complaining why Cashman didn’t do it. Swisher wasn’t even on the block, and it just happened out of the blue.

  70. jack November 5th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    prediction

    kennedy will be the best of the big 3

  71. Russell NY November 5th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    I think its smart to hold onto Hughes. He is better than Bucholz.

  72. Fredo Corleone November 5th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    “kennedy will be the best of the big 3″

    Best at what?

  73. mel November 5th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    vinny-b,

    Agreed. Most concrete proof there is that he’s not a Yankee fan. Callis acutally has patience!

    I just don’t see giving up Hughes for what we can buy. When have the Yankees traded for a rookie like Votto?

    Who would you guys trade Hughes for? Try to convince me. And I’ll shoot anyone who says Peavy. The contract and extension are pee-ew.

  74. Fredo Corleone November 5th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Mel:

    I’d move Phil for…………………………….wait for it…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………Jake Peavy.

  75. jake November 5th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    jack
    November 5th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
    prediction

    “kennedy will be the best of the big 3″

    Jack has been drinking a lot of Yankee kool aid.

  76. raymagnetic November 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    First of all there’s no such thing as a guy who should dominate because of service time.

    If that’s the case then major league pitchers should dominate anybody who they have more service then.

    Nobody at this point knows what Hughes is or isn’t. But when he had the two bad starts in the AFL I seem to recall dozens of posts saying Hughes needed to be traded NOW, NOW, NOW and being called a Hughes groupie because I didn’t think he should be traded and I also wondered how a guy who was a bum and couldn’t even get out AAA hitters could fetch anything back.

    I don’t agree with the assessment that when Hughes pitches poorly people make excuses for him and when he pitches well people are saying see I told you so. There are plenty of people here who complain when he pitches poorly but when he does well shout out that he should be traded for Peavy NOW NOW NOW while his stock is high.

    Sometimes I think the 24 hour media coverage is as harmful as it is helpful. Especially on blogs. Most people here have NEVER seen any of the minor leaguers play yet they are making up trade proposals and acting like they know who has talent based on internet game logs and what someone at River Ave Blues had to say.

    Last but not least, it would be beyond stupid to trade Ian Kennedy who can be a 4th or 5th starter for a relief pitcher Al from BK.

  77. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and show CC the money (and food)! November 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    ““kennedy will be the best of the big 3”

    Best at what?”

    ——————————————

    He will be the best at providing us post-game quotes that drive us batty?

  78. Second Base Yankee Stadium November 5th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Would someone please contrast Hughes and Kennedy with the pitchers the Phillies and Rays used as starters during the world series? Might be interesting to explore how they match up in terms of fastball, etc.

  79. Glenn November 5th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    High velocity and high MPH showings will get the attention of anybody but good command of the strike zone and mixing a good assortment of pitches is what gets the most attention of scouts and knowledgeable fans.

  80. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) November 5th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Of course, I don’t know what Hughes will turn out to be. However, I won’t trade him for Peavy. Not for someone who doesn’t want to be here anyway.

  81. trisha - Mike Mussina is a member of my 2009 rotation. November 5th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Jimmy 27 – Am going to the bottom of the posts to answer your question without knowing whether it has been answered in between.

    About Orlando Hudson – I think the guy is amazing. I will admit that I have always been a pitching/defense person as opposed to being blown over by offense, so my greatest appreciation is for what I see in the field and on the mound.

    I would watch Hudson when he played for the Jays and nearly salivate. The guy is phenomenal.

    About Hughes – I wouldn’t give him up for love or money.

    About Kennedy – I’d give him up without either!

    :D

  82. Frankie speaking . . . November 5th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Orlando Hudson may very well be on Cashman’s radar but until other elements fall into place, Hudson is a Plan C.
    Never tipping his hand, Cashman is likely to give a luke warm answer by saying only that he’s food for thought.

  83. Braintrust November 5th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Francesca again today mentioned Jose Tabata as being a Yankee prospect. He called him “Jorge Tabata.” This is the second time he made this mistake, and had to be reminded by his crew that Tabata was traded to Pittsburgh for Nady & Marte.

  84. rumor monger November 5th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    The Ian Kennedy hatred at this site is an absolute joke. You people have such a definitive first-hand sample size to write the final book on his career. After all 12 major league starts at age 22/23 are career-defining for a pitcher. Oh what, am I forgetting how telling his “body language” and “make-up” and “post-game quotes” were when thinking it’s stupid to constantly ridicule him? When he is inevitably a 4th or 5th starter on some other big league team in 2009 or in 2010 and the Yankees have received some garbage bench player or middle reliever in return, I look forward to the crocodile tears and rips of Brian Cashman that inundate this place.

  85. Cmedic November 5th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    If we need outfeild? Why have we not looked at the ST. Louis? They have a ton of outfield and most of them can or have played CF.

  86. EY November 5th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    No no no no no Peavy.
    No no no no no Holliday.

    Save Phil Hughes.

  87. John Downing November 6th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    Doc Medich,an established arm, was dealt for Willie Randolph,a promising but unproven commodity. Others involved in that trade was Ken Brett and Doc Ellis(????)Willie was the target in that trade. And that worked out fine.

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