It’s official: The Moose is Golden
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 06, 2008 
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Yes, its true. Mike Mussina won the Gold Glove for AL pitchers.
After being unjustly left off the All-Star team by that rat fink Terry Francona* and somehow not being named Comeback Player of the Year, the Moose gets a little hardware for the mantle in Montoursville.
This is the seventh career Gold Glove for Moose, the first since 2003. Funny how winning 20 games somehow made him a better fielder.
* I’m kidding about Francona, of course. He actually handled the All-Star Game perfectly and treated the Yankees and Yankee Stadium with tremendous respect throughout the process.
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In other news, the Yankees have officially declined their $6 million option on LHP Damaso Marte, making him a free agent. They would receive two draft compensatory draft picks if he signs with another team. Brian Cashman indicated earlier this week that they could try and retain Marte with a new deal.
“Rat fink” seems a bit strong.
Hooray! Now he can retire happy…
I think Pete was joking when he said “rat fink”. That was pretty obvious.
Declining the option on Marte! Let the chessmatch begin. I like it Cash.
Would have been nice to keep Marte. He could have been valuable. Throwing a question out there. I don’t know how many people can shed light to it given lack of background information but:
Does anybody foresee big offseason contracts being made and signed prior to the new administration and the fear that taxes for every player are going to go up? IMO, it would be smart to get a contract in before new taxes programs are implemented.
Also, for arguments sake, if we get 2 starting pitchers and it’s determined we don’t have enough $$ to go after Texeira, what are we going to do for 1B? I guess i’m asking what the next best option for 1B for the Yankees is?
Either they’re signing Marte to a 2 yr deal at 3-4 million per or they want the picks. Either way, its better than having him for one year at 6 million.
who won 3rd base?
Ironically, if Francona had picked Moose for the ASG, he wouldn’t have been able to start the Friday immediately after the break and therefore would not have had the opportunity to get an extra start on the last day of the season in Fenway to try for 20.
I don’t think the Yankess will sign 2 pitchers and then say “gosh darn it, we ran out of money”. These guys have a gameplan. They aren’t going to run out of money. It all depends on how they want to spend it. If they sign 2 pitchers and want Tex, they’ll put up a strong offer.
My bet is they sign CC, resign Pettitte, and get Tex. No Burnett. No Garland. No Lowe.
You know who interests me? Brad Penny. No one is talking about this guy. The Dodgers declined a 9 million option on him. This is a guy who won 16 games in 2006 and 2007. Yeah, he had arm problems this year but still. He’s got NASTY stuff. I bet they could get him cheap. He’s worth the risk.
I will never, ever forgive Francona for slighting Moose and all of the other crap he pulled to try to wreck the last all star game at the stadium.
Congrats Moose – now come back for another 2 year deal at low money!!!
*COME BACK MOOSE!!!*
Gus – until Moose announces he is retiring, there is still the possibility that he will come back.
Bite your tongue boy!
Congrats MOOOSE!!!!!
Jose Molina should have won for C.
He was far and away the best defensive catcher in the AL this season.
Just because he can’t hit, he lost a GG.
Joe Mauer is not even close to Molina defensively. A much better hitter and all around player but, not in Jose’s league as a catcher and game caller.
Congrats to Mussina, he sure deserves it.
From the other teams standpoint, I wonder why you would give up the 2 draft picks for Marte?
I more or less meant if they decide they only want to spend big money for 2 of 3 positions between 2 starting pitchers and a 1B and they choose to throw money at the starting pitchers and take an economic route for 1B.
A-Rod should had won the gold glove instead of Beltre. He was better defensively.
Gold Gloves lost all credibility with Rafael Palmiero won it while playing 28 games at 1st base.
I would offer Moose one year with two mutual option years. I think he’d take that.
I can’t see him signing up to three years, even though he said if he is in for 1 he is in for three. I can’t see him pitching another season if he has a poor one.
Half stadium another all-star game. Only 100 years old?
01:43 PM EST on Thursday, November 6, 2008
BY DANIEL BARBARISI
Journal Sports Writer
BOSTON — The Red Sox have made a request with Major League Baseball to host the All-Star Game in 2012, which will be the 100th anniversary of Fenway Park.
“We have made a request to have another All-Star Game at Fenway Park,” Red Sox president and chief executive officer Larry Lucchino said today, “in light of the 100-year anniversary and all the changes that have taken place here.”
Lucchino made the announcement speaking to a small group after the team had announced the changes it will be making at Fenway this offseason. The Red Sox — under the ownership group headed by Lucchino, John Henry and Tom Werner — have made improvements and updates at Fenway each winter since purchasing the team in 2002, with the work scheduled to be completed by the beginning of the 2012 season.
The Sox last hosted the All-Star Game in 1999, which was billed as the last All-Star Game of the 20th century. It was highlighted by Ted Williams throwing out the first pitch and Pedro Martinez striking out five batters in two innings in a 4-1 American League victory
The All-Star Game was only played at Fenway in 1961 (a 1-1 tie) and 1946 (a 12-0 American League win).
“From the other teams standpoint, I wonder why you would give up the 2 draft picks for Marte?”
which may make it easier for the Yankees to make a deal with him…
and i don’t think a team has to give up 2 picks in order to sign a type-a. they give up 1 pick, and the team losing the type-a guy gets that + a sammich round pick…
Trish what’s going on? Waiting on Moose I see.
I also am curious to see if he retires. I think some people have the wrong idea here. People assume Moose will demand a 3 year contract if he returns. I think that couldn’t be further from the truth.
After the 2006 season in which he pitched very well he settled on a 2 year deal to stay here. Now 2 years later and 2 years OLDER, he’s going to demand a 3 year deal? No way. He would be open to gong year to year like Pettitte. But he knows he’d need to play 3 more years to get to 300. He’s reasonable, the last thing he’s going to do is demand 3 years.
Congrats Moose! Please come back and save us from having to sign Lowe/Burnett/Perez!
Is there anywhere online to find the voting at each position? In light of Bill James & friends “study” that concluded Derek Jeter is the worst defensive player on the planet,I’d be interested to see where Jetes finished in the voting.
“The Sox last hosted the All-Star Game in 1999, which was billed as the last All-Star Game of the 20th century.”
wait a minute, i thought all sox fans thought 2000 was the final year of the 20th century? they can’t have it both ways!
they should have to wait longer for another ASG, imo…
Rob,
Thats why he might accept arbitration– thats what the Pirates were afraid of. Who is going to pay him $6 million?
He has proven he is a LOOGY on a contending team. He has had an ERA north of 3.40 in 4 of the previous 5 seasons. Not closer material at all. Teams would rather trade for a Street, Putz, etc. rather than surrender 2 draft picks for a middle reliever.
Mets are probably the ONLY option but they already have a dominant lefty in Feliciano.
“From the other teams standpoint, I wonder why you would give up the 2 draft picks for Marte?”
Teams only give up 1 draft pick. The 2nd pick is a supplemental draft pick that is awarded between rounds 1 and 2.
Teams who have a top 16 pick this year do not give up their 1st round pick for signing a type “A” free agent. I think they may have to give up their 2nd round pick, but I am not sure.
Why would we want to re-sign him to a multi-year deal?
The smarter move would have been to overpay for one year of his services and see what we have in Coke, Dunn, De La Rosa etc. this year and had him as depth while Melancon and co. gets their feet wet. Then next year, we could have gotten our picks.
Cashman just never learns, does he?
Is Phil Coke the next Mike Stanton based on 14 September innings?
Gold glove awards are one notch above being a farce; the winners are either guys who are offensive standouts at their position or a guy who used to be known as a great glove that assumedly still is,, even though he may be 42.
Case in point,, at best in his career, Jeter was a slightly better than average fielding SS, yet he has won multiple GG. Another point, Greg Maddux, are we to believe that he is still the best fielding pitcher in the NL even though he is 42?
There are some good picks, but mostly they are just re-hashed.
IMO; Their peers should pick the GG.
Congrats Moose.
Am I missing something on Pedroia? They guy has 0 range and a minus arm and he wins a gold glove? His relay throw to the plate in Game 7 help cost the Sox the game. Help me out here…
Aside from the fact that it is not my money, I would not worry about the Yankees “not having enough money” to satisfy their free agency needs. The big engines (including YES) need all the fuel it can get to keep moving along at record paces…Exciting play on the field and winning provides exactly that, and the Yankees will do what they have to do.
A multi-year, lower annual salary deal opens up a little more $$$ to spend on the bench. Instead of having $6 mill tied up in Marte just for 2008, you can maybe cut it in half but give him the security of a few more years guaranteed. Conversely, you find yourself an extra $3 mill. to offset other players, and you also still have a veteran presence in the ‘pen for additional years in case the young relievers flame out/don’t perform. Honestly, the Yankees bullpen is inexpensive yet effective, which is a nice luxury (so they can focus their assets on other areas instead of overpaying for band-aid middle relief FAs). I hope (and think, in the long run) that Marte re-signs.
The year Palmiero won it Tino should have …he had to catch Knobby’s crazy throws that year. That should have given it to him automatically …Palmiero winning for first base was a joke when he only played 28 games at the position.
Go Yankees 2009!!!
“Mike Cameron is very close to CC Sabathia”
- per Heyman
I really, really, really hope Moose comes back. Not only is he one of my favorites, but he’s the only guy I see standing between the Yankees and a disastrous AJ Burnett signing.
Per Heyman – Cameron is very close to CC
CC is a wide fellow. Everyone is sort of close to him.
So does that mean CC will take 50 million less to stay with the Brewers just to stay with Cameron?
Congrats Moose! I really hope he comes back for the next season. I would love to see him on the mound in the new stadium
Noreaster – I unfortunately live in Boston and therefore watch a lot of the games. The Hobbit is great at getting to balls up the middle and makes a lot of diving stops. He gets rid of the ball very quickly which makes up for his lack of a rocket-arm.
Hehehehe this is gonna be one helluva a draft. Meanwhile the bait and hook CC plan is under way first Cameron then CC. Marte is declined we have better options than Marte and are stacking early rd. picks just for letting him Giambi and Abreu walk.
Be back later people.
Dunn and Wilkinson De La Rosa are both better than Marte.
Good move.
miggs,
I mentioned Penny earlier this morning. I agree with going after him for a reasonable price. He not long ago dominated the all star game. Yes he has that florida marlins jinx. But thats why you offer him a heavy incentive laden deal. At worst he takes the place that Pavano left open(dl)without all that money invested. At best you have an Ace like pitcher on your staff.
“So does that mean CC will take 50 million less to stay with the Brewers just to stay with Cameron?”
Of coarse Jennifer. Its all about having fun for them and having just enough money to feed their family. Fun first. Its never about the money.
Cameron seems like he could be a great clubhouse guy and a leader. He helped calm the clubhouse they the Brewers were falling apart.
He is best friends with CC and A-Rod. This would be a good trade as long as we don’t give up anything of value.
Penny and CC would really be pushing the weight threshold of the Yankees’ pitching staff.
“Penny and CC would really be pushing the weight threshold of the Yankees’ pitching staff.”
We can always trade Britton to balance it out a little more. Maybe use that bus fair that we spent on him yearly for an extra free agent.
Jamie Moyer is 46 years old…..That’s the same age as Phil Hughes & Ian Kennedy …..Combined….Ponder that for a momment…
Congrats to the Moose!
Marte’s status with the team doesn’t matter to me. I am a little confused why Cash was so hot to trot for the guy and is choosing not to secure him. But whether he’s with the Yankees or not is ‘eh’.
If Marte doesn’t come back with the Yanks, he’s going to get a ton of dough on the open market. The Mets could have a Marte/Fuentes knockout at the end of games. Not that I want to fix the Mets, but just illustrating that Marte is going to be making money somewhere.
If he comes back, then it’s for less AAV.
It could be that Cashman is looking at the young arms that are about to break through. Notably Melancon (yes, I realize he’s not a lefty).
$6M is too much for a LOOGY and we have righties that can get both lefties and righties out.
Either way. Win-win. Rah, rah, rah.
Lastly, CC’s not going to make a life decision based on where Cameron’s playing. CC’s got buddies around the league. He’s been to all the cities, he’s already said he doesn’t need a tour. The only question is how much is enough to lure him from the west and the NL?
Folks shouldn’t assume just yet that Marte won’t be with the yankees in 2009. I think they want to keep him, just don’t want to pay him $6mil for one year. NO team would pay him that if they didn’t absolutely have to.
I’m looking for the Yanks to announce a 2-yr deal with Marte soon. And i believe that Brian Cashman has, indeed, learned, that the Yanks need two LH in their bullpen.
However, if Marte doesn’t re-sign, Jeremy Affeldt is available, and he was pretty darned good in 2008 and might’ve turned the corner in terms of control and reliability.
Mike Dunn is expected to be banging on the ML door by late in the 2009 season.
Wilkins deLaRosa is being groomed as a starter.
Jeter has declined defensively, but really, he transcends this kind of pigeon holing. Jeter is a great player. He is great. There is no debate.
Congrats Moose!
give him as much money as he wants to forgo the west coast/NL.
170-180 million, anything.
Hey Miggs! Yep my wants are simple. I want Moose back so bad I can taste it!
I agree with you that people are really calling it wrong thinking that Moose is going to be insisting on 3 years.
…And so I wait
Would the O’s step up and give Moose a 3-year guaranteed deal? The Phillies?
Moose has already said that he wants a 3 year contract or nothing…
Good question back bench. I’d like to think that the combination of wanting to remain with the Yanks and wanting perhaps to pitch in the new stadium could sway him a bit.
jack,
Heyman/Olney/Davidoff/Sherman etc. every writer in the area has already said we’re going above and beyond for CC and give him any dollar amount he wants. Olney said he heard that as much as 30-40% more than the 2nd highest bidder.
I actually have no problem with the Yankees seemingly “selling their souls” for CC, its their money. It just shows you how desperately they want him.
“Moose has already said that he wants a 3 year contract or nothing…”
Well let me say this about that. I don’t remember hearing that, but even if he did say it, there’s many a slip between the cup and the lip.
And so I remain hopeful.
I love Moose just as much as anyone, but I wouldn’t give him a 3 year deal.
Mussina isin’t coming back to a non-contender.
1. He wants to get closer to 300. A bad team doesn’t give him a good chance of getting wins. Baltimore has no bullpen either.
2. He wants a ring.
Why would he want his career to end on a last place team? He already has millions.
Phillies are a completely different story. They won the WS, they have a lockdown BP and a great offense. They play in the NL and it is the closest MLB city to his home. If Philly makes him a good offer, I think he will definitely go there. I don’t think they would show much interest though, they’ll probably just bring back Moyer on a 1 yr deal.
After years of trying to acquire him, I’m surprised that the Yanks didnt pick up the option on Marte. Yes, he would have been overpaid,but there’s a dearth of quality lefthanded relievers out there. At a minimum, he more than likely would have been good trade bait in July.
Marte will be 34 in February.I would have rather have seen the Yanks pay him $6mil for one year than enter into a multi year deal with him given his age.
Why should we have to pay 30% over the next highest bidder? If we top any offer and he still doesn’t want to play for the Yankees, then let it go. It would be painfully obvious at that point that the man doesn’t want to come here.
But if you want to float a very generous, firm offer right out the gate, I’m fine with that. But none of this back and forth after we offer way above market. And certainly not a huge number over the 2nd best offer.
“Olney said he heard that as much as 30-40% more than the 2nd highest bidder.”
Thats pretty scary. We signed Arod to a 10 year contract last year and we are going to overpay for C.C.? What will this team look like in 4 to 5 years from now? Notincluding possibly signing Tex to 7 years. We would have older,overwieght declining players with albotross contracts. I thought we were doing away with that?
I’d only give Mussina a 3-yr deal if there is a provision in his contract where he retires if he doesn’t have it anymore (as determined by Cashman), so that he isin’t a liability and we don’t have to yank him from the rotation.
One thought to ponder. Say that CC accepts a huge offer from the NYYs and then turns in a good to great 1st season – 19 to 20 wins.
Then lets say that CMW is back to full health and completes what he was on track for in 2008 – 20+ wins.
Great for the Yankees, but what are the down stream salary implications?
There was a very revealing study done about the impact of ‘off the charts’ contracts given to one or two superstars on a team. The findings were negative for the overall team performance. Like what happened when we first signed Giambi and then Alex.
It also may not go down well with Moose to have to take a pay cut after a 20 win season and sit on the bench next a CC who is lending money to Warren Buffet.
Sos,
I agree, but the Yankees haven’t exactly shown they are fiscally responsible with their contracts. It seems they always find ways to out-do themselves and hand out a worse contract every year.
I would normally just dismiss that Olney report that we’re going 30% higher, but with the way the Yankees have handed out contracts, that actually seems accurate and something the FO is likely to do.
The real question to ask is which Mussina would show up in 09? Would it be the 07 or 08 version? Would he be worth a multi year contract if he was somewhere in between those numbers? I would offer a one year with a team option for a second. I would make a choice though with either him or Pettitte. We need to change this rotation. Retreading the same older staff wont help.
By the time our ace Joba is a FA, he will get $40 million a year.
S.o.S.27 ,
Unlike many of the age 30 – 40 something free agents of the past, CC and Tex are rather unique in that they are still in their 20′s. You’d be buying the prime years of their career now,especially Texiera.
lol, Zolio. I don’t think the CBA allows a “stick a fork in ‘em” clause.
If I had to, I’d go 2 years, no option. Moose thinks it’ll take 3 years, I say he can do it in two. He could do 15 per year with his eyes shut. If he doesn’t do it in 2 years, he’s going to quite with 293 wins or whatever it is? No, he’ll come back for a 1 year if he’s still got it.
*quit
Mussina and Pettitte – Whichever accepts a 1 yr deal gets to come back. Give them that ultimatum.
Jorge Tabata
November 6th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
By the time our ace Joba is a FA, he will get $40 million a year.
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Ypes! And Boras will have him negotiating with the new expansion team from Dubai.
Congratulations, Moose! Of course, I’m hoping he comes back, but if not, what a way to go out – on top of his game all around.
Glad the Peavy ship has sailed.
Hope Girardi makes better use of his coaching staff this season. At least now that Pena is bench coach, it’s his JOB to have input, so that’s a good thing.
Next stop, Las Vegas, right?
I wouldn’t sign Moose to a multi-year deal, but I would give him a one-year deal at an attractive price. I think he has one more good year in him, so the Yanks should do it. Of course, if the Yanks bring back both Mussina AND Pettitte, there won’t be room in the rotation for more than one new free agent pitcher (and that assumes Hughes will NOT be in the rotation).
Forget CC and his $180 million dollars contract
go and secure Brunette and Teixarera instead. 2 for the price of one.
Drive 4-5,
They are both in their late 20′s. C.C. is a BIG BONED man. Which unless he decides to hang out with Pettitte or Clemens will only become BIGGER BONED. And we gave a 7 year contract to a former mvp and look where that got us after his 4th year? I can see us getting our monies worth for the first half of those contracts and then having to count down the year they are out of here-ie Giambi.
“Well let me say this about that. I don’t remember hearing that, but even if he did say it, there’s many a slip between the cup and the lip.
And so I remain hopeful.”
Unfortunately he’s been quoted as saying he wants either a 3 year deal or retirement.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....peaks.html
“If my intent is going for 300, then if I’m in for one, I’m in for three,” Mussina said. He added that if he pitched one year and pushed past the 280-win mark: “By then, I would absolutely owe it to myself to try.”
Its pretty clear to me what the deal is with Moose. I have no problem signing him to a 3 year 30 million dollar deal if he doesn’t retire.
As far as old pitchers go, the best contract in baseball is Tim Wakefield’s. He gets renewed at $4mil each year until he and the team agree he’s had enough. Mussina would probably never agree to such a deal, but it would be in everybody’s best interest in these types of contracts became more common with older players.
I can’t believe there is actually a “lets avoid CC” crowd. Gee whiz. You would think that this team didn’t have the likes of Ponson, Rasner and Pavano starting more than a third of the games this season. This team needs an ace and unfortunately 25 year old aces don’t hit the open market in this day and age. So we should avoid CC because hes 28, wow hes just about ready to go out to pasture. Who cares about what CMW will make 2 years from now, the Yankees will come to an agreement with him he means to much to the team to worry about losing him to arbitration.
mel,
CC clearly doesn’t want to come here and the Yankees know this. They are trying to change his mind by financial means. They think if they give him enough dough he will ‘tolerate’ NY and come here, hence the “30-40% more than bidder #2″.
He is the 100% definition of a mercenary but the Yankees are ok with that. They were never known to bring in guys who want to be here, they always brought in guys who were the best available and used money as a way for the player to alleviate their apprehension of NY or the Yankees.
JINT,
What “Brunette” would you like the Yankees to go after?
Brady Quinn should slice and dice the Broncos D.
Al,
No one is saying avoid C.C. But to over pay 30 to 40% and probably give him a 7 plus year contract for an over wieght/lot of recent miles on that arm doesnt make sense. It seems that we always think that we are one pitcher away. From Johnson to Clemens to the Mr. dl himself. Which was supposidly the best pitcher on the market that year. Id say yes to 5 or 6 years at the same rate as Santana. No more than that.
Congrats to Moose!
Now, I wonder what the strategy is with Marte? I could be wrong, of course, but I really don’t think they’re ready to give up on him, what with they traded for him and Nady, and the fact that he’s lefthanded. I don’t know all the technical aspects of this, but could turning down his option be a prelude to a longer term deal?
This 180 million dollar contract is all speculation. The Dodgers are going all in for Manny 2-3 years at 25-27 per. The Angels are going all out for Tex and they already have 4 good starters under contract for 09(Lackey, Santana, Saunders, Escobar) so CC will not be a must for them. The next closest deal will be maybe 6 years 120 from the Dodgers but thats only if they don’t sign man-ram. The Yankees just need to make an offer around 140-150 million and we will have the highest offer by a mile.
“What “Brunette†would you like the Yankees to go after?”
lol. That narrows it down a bit. One that wont spend his time where Pavano did.
Yank1,
Thanks.
Just hope that all the BS we’ve heard is static and that the Yankees don’t lose their minds and throw what modicum of business sense they have out the window.
If it’s true, it’s lame, stupid, and desperate.
Like I said, I’m all for a good old-fashioned bidding process. I don’t mind an eye-popping offer on the 16th day after the end of the WS.
But, I’ll be pissed if we have to outbid ourselves in order to get the guy. This would be 2 years in a row and we’ve got to field a team of 25. Not a team of two.
The next time we’re desperate to fill a need, the top FA will be like, “I want to hit, I like the NL, I like the west, I like the Sox” to get their own 30% premium. Not a good precedent.
SOS27,
“C.C. is a BIG BONED man. Which unless he decides to hang out with Pettitte or Clemens will only become BIGGER BONED.”
I agree. But CC’s physique is not comparable to Giambi’s. Especially since many of Giambi’s physical breakdowns could possibly be traced to his steroid use.
CC is nearly identical to another overweight lefty, David Wells. Like Wells, CC is a good athlete for his size. I’d take a chance on him.
* I also forgot Jered Weaver
I’m looking at the picture of that Gold Glove, and am reminded of Paul O’Neill, who at some point I remember talking about his wife making him put away all his baseball stuff. Unless there is a dedicated room for this stuff, it’s really pretty tacky looking, isn’t it?
SoS,
What’s with TP?
And have you been watching Amare?
Oh, Mike Mussina is a Brunette, isn’t he?
Isin’t AJ Burnett a Blonde?
The only showdown I see this off-season for CC is the Dodgers and their interest will not be nearly as strong as ours. CC will be at the podium pulling the old “The Yanks wanted me a bit more and they are a great franchise blah blah etc.”
OK, I’m just going to clear this up, because I’m tired of seeing Moose misquoted. “If I’m in for one, I’m in for three” was not said in reference to the length of a potential deal. He was talking about how deciding to return for 2009 would, in his mind, dictate that he has to be prepared to play two more years after that. He wasn’t saying that he necessarily needs a three-year DEAL in order to return.
It’s the whole “I can’t walk away after I’m tantalizingly close to 300 wins” thing. Ultimately, he very well may want a three-year deal, but you’re misconstruing that particular quote.
Personally, I understand where he’s coming from, but it’s unfortunate that he may not choose to play in 2009 due to the possible weight of 2010 and 2011.
They def need to bring back Marte, last year Girardi had him all over, as a set up man, mop up man, lefy specialist, all sorts of things.. Bring his back a Lefty Specialist, it will be perfect for us. We haven’t had a sold lefty in the pen for awhile, we can’t just think that Coke will do it in the pen, after 3 weeks. Don’t get me wrong, he’s pretty good, but we cant just judge 3 weeks on him..Bring Marte back.
mel,
Its not a good sign when Tony scores 55 vs. a 1-2 team and they need double o.t. to win. Mid December cant come soon enough(As Barkley would call him.ginobliii!!!).
Thats not good news for the rest of the league if Amare gets back to pre injury talent. Still think L.A.,Houston,N.O.,Dallas and S.A.(when healthy)are stronger.
Doreen,
Is it me or do “blonde” and “brunette” refer to women?
I’ve never heard a guy referred to as a blonde or brunette.
I’ve heard blonde guy, blonde haired man, black haired man, you get where I’m going with this?
Mel, I believe “blond” is traditionally used as an adjective while “blonde” is used as a noun.”
mel,
I agree that it’s frustrating the way the agents and players play clubs off each other. But it’s been going on since Reggie Jackson signed.It always doesnt turn out badly.
Remember in ’04 when Curt Schilling said the only 2 clubs he agreed to a trade were the Phillies or Yankees? All of a sudden Theo Epstein shows up for Thanksgiving dinner with a $25mil contract extension and voila… Curt Schilling had a change of heart quicker than he could cash the check.
SoS,
TP, Timmy & Mason scored 111 of the 129 points. Not good.
But they’re like the Yankees were in ’08. Forced to use role players as starters because of injuries. Playing without the oily Oberto hurts, too.
AG,
LOL. Thanks. But have you seen a guy referred to as blonde? Dumb or otherwise?
Al,
The Halos were ousted in the first round. Escobar was injured all year and Santana had an exceptional year considering how bad 07 was. The staff you mentioned are all young with one Ace(Lackey). If they are willing to spend all that money to keep Tex and lets say they fail in retaining him. Whos to say they wont go after C.C. knowing that Santana can revert back to 07 stats and Escobar wont be much help. Not including Garland is out the door. Never count the Angels out. Arte is not scared to sign free agents.
mel -
Yeah, I do get where you’re going. And I was going to say I was a brunette, but, sadly, I haven’t pitched since I used to throw BP to my brother many years ago!
I had never really thought about that terminology that way – but it’s so true. Women are reduced to one-word adjectives – “She’s a blonde! – while we women are so much more descriptive of men.
It’s not a pure auction for CC’s services — that is, if team A bids $X, we don’t win by bidding $X + $1.
If CC is not keen to come to the Yankees because of his love for the Bronx and Kate Smith’s rendition of “God Bless America”, then the inducement will have to be a financial offer significantly higher than any other team’s. There’s nothing new about that. The only question will be how much.
Doreen,
LOL. I bet you did everything well. The football players thought you were a really good cheerleader. The baseball guys thought you were an excellent burnette.
They need to shake things up. Start Mason,who i believe is going to be the best pickup of the year for us. Bench Finley and Bower. Go with Mason and Hill. Cant do worse.
Hows that twin tower project turning out?
Nick,
Are you trying to tell me something I already know? :furrowed eyebrows scowl emoticon:
Who is your wallet cheering for? USC or Cal?
SOS- Not afraid of the Angels. They will NOT give Tex 130 mil and then be aggressive with CC as well. They have 4 quality starters coming back, they don’t have the need that the Yanks do, if they do make an offer it will be significantly less than ours.
Patrick: Read more closely. Moose’s quote said “IF my intent is going for 300 . . .” But he’s never said that is his intent, so there’s no need to give him three years.
SoS,
Not bad. Bynum’s finally accepted his “Your only job is to rebound, block balls, alter shots, and wait for the alley oop” role. Amazing how $58M will motivate a guy.
Gasol needs more touches.
We’ve only played subpar teams and played 2 games in a span of 8 days. Rust, rust, rust. Dallas on Sunday will be a test. Lots of parity this season. The Wolves, Blazers, and Thunder all look decent.
jose molina sucks.
but seriously. do you really want to spend all that money on sabathia?
Also the Angels have given out a few terrible contracts lately. Gary Matthews 5 years 60 mil. Torii Hunter got a huge deal and now they are going to sign CC and Tex in the same off-season with Vladdy and Lackey becoming FA’s next year somehow I don’t see that happening.
i think its pretty cool that last season the yankees front office and fans were all about keeping their young kids and not going crazy spending money..
now all of a sudded cano, melky, hughes, kennedy could all be traded away and to think.. you could of had JOHAN..
Let’s say the Angels/Dodgers offer $120 million (and thats on the low side considering the small market Brewers already offered $100 mil)
30%-40% of that is $36-$48 million. So anywhere from $140 to $168 for 7 years would be our offer to CC. That really isin’t that unreasonable, even though the precedent you are setting is ludicrous.
The real problem is if the Angels or someone goes to $140 or $150 as their bid, then if you follow that same model you are in the 200 millions.
it would be nice if the yankees can get chris davis from the rangers.he is about to take off.
i wouldn’t give up hughes,ajax,motero though.
i’d be willing to take my chances in center with who we have now as long as first base is fixed and the rotation.
i also believe the yankees should go after dempster.until the cubs sign him i wouldn’t give up on him.
i think the key is to try to get a decent first baseman and centerfielder without giving uo hughes,ajax,montero.if that can be done i would trade anybody else to make it happen except joba,jeter,arod,mo,wang of course.
if not we should try to sign tex,sabathia,dempster and go to war.payroll will be a little lower after signing those three and we keep all our prospects.
i just don’t think we can get any good first baseman or centerfielder without giving up hughes or cano.
i would consider moving cano depending on what we get in return.
cano in 08 turned into exactly the kind of player that the yankees do not wan’t.
*30% to 40% of that is 36-48 million
AL,
Dont want to beat a dead horse. But i was saying if they fail to resign Tex.
And as far as 4 quality pitchers. I see Lackey(ace)and everyone else is good or decent. Who knows what your going to get with Escobar and Garland is out. That leaves Santana(will the real santana stand up),Saunders(good) and Weaver(decent). If they lose Tex, they MIGHT want to make up for the loss of offense and go after another ACE.
Angels are MUCH more of a threat to CC than the Dodgers. The Dodgers have actual financial issues. The Angels are printing money and Moreno has no problem spending.
They might decide to pass on Teix and just go ahead with CC and trade Saunders or someone for a bat. The Angels want Tex but they don’t want to wait until January to find out if they have him and risk being outbid. Then they end up with nobody, CC will be long gone.
CC said he wants to get it done quickly. The Angels’ big deals have always gotten done quickly (like Hunter on Thanksgiving), they don’t like to get into long, dragged out bidding wars. They could afford CC and Tex too if they really wanted to, Moreno didn’t rule it out.
you cannot even begin to compare the number of bad contracts the yankees give out compared to that of the angels.
matsui – bust
pavano – bust
damon – bust
giambi – bust
igawa – bust
arod bust
might as well add CC to the list.
yanks should overpay for TEX, he is a gold glove swith hitter.
resign pettite, and if moose wants to come back.. take him.
BUT
put joba, petitte, wang, hughes in the rotation.
sign a derek lowe, or even a AJ burnett or brad penny.
sign brandon lyon AND Brian fuentes..
then, make a trade for matt holliday and perhaps work a deal with texas for a young catcher..
Dodgers need to sign Manny, they are at Boras’ mercy to do so and will wait until the market manifests itself before they go to other needs.
Angels on the other hand, don’t NEED Teixeria. They clearly want to secure one of the top FAs in this class. They don’t have shut down pitching. Nobody is afraid of Santana or Saunders in a playoff game. CC is a need for them and they might go that direction since it can be done quickly rather than the usual Boras manner of waiting 2 months to get a deal done for Teixeria.
X-Mann,
Luxury taxes will also have to be taken into consideration as well. Because as much as we’d like it to happen, the Yankees won’t be dipping below the threshold. At least not for very long.
Giants and Dodgers will be suitors as well, Al.
Damon / melky- CF
Jeter – SS
Tex – 1B
Arod – 3b
Holliday – LF
Posada – C
Cano – 2B
Melky / ???? – RF
if you trade with texas.. get Salty and put him at DH
he can catch when posada needs a break
wang, burnett/lowe/penny I(maybe Greinke)?, petitte, hughes, joba
lyon, fuentes, rivera
its a 5 inning game..
The Angels didn’t pick up Garret Anderson’s option, but now are hinting they may have the money to retain Mark Teixiera AND pursue C.C. Sabathia. If you’re missing any money from your 401-K, apparently it’s in Anaheim.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....est-f.html
The CC decision will be one of true judgement. If he really hates NY and takes far less money to go to LA then he wasn’t worth it anyway, but if he takes the Yankees deal for way more then he is just taking the best deal. I can’t recall in recent history a player leaving a significant amount of money on the table.
Mentioned this earlier. Thoughts on going after Matthews if the angels are willing to pay alot of his salary. If we are willing to go after Camaron. Why not a good glove center fielder that might not cost us as much good players. I know he hasnt hit good since hes been off the b-12. But Camaron isnt hitting the cover off the ball either.
Outlawz
November 6th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Cashman just never learns, does he?
Is Phil Coke the next Mike Stanton based on 14 September innings?
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the yankees pen will be fine.
they have dozens of relievers in the mix and their bullpen was excellent before marte.
i wouldn’t worry about the bullpen.
it was a good move.
This could all have been avoided if we just traded for Santana like we should have.
Santana is a much better pitcher than Santana. He is cheaper, less workload, wanted badly to come here, and has had playoff success.
Jeff Marquez pitched today. He went 5 shutout innings of 5 hit ball. No walks, 3 K’s.
Last i heard Salty cant hit worth a lick and his defense is suspect. Not sure. Just saying.
The point is that it’s pointless to be resentful that the Yankees might have to offer a lot more than the next bidder to sign CC. That’s just how it works, sometimes.
My wallet will probably take Cal and the 20.5 points but I’ll probably tease it up a bit too. And hold my breathe.
s.o.s 27
cano, melky, pudge, molina,
yea. yanks have too many guys that can’t hit already..
good point!
“This could all have been avoided if we just traded for Santana like we should have.
Santana is a much better pitcher than Santana. He is cheaper, less workload, wanted badly to come here, and has had playoff success.”
This is true. Unfortunately you can’t turn back time if you keep obsessing over the Johan trade you’ll just get a headache .
Front Row:
A) Santana may not be that much better then CC. This year they were basically even. In fact, Bill James (for what he’s worth) works, claim CC had the best year.
B) Santana had a less workload? I don’t think so. And if you wish to compare durability, then i will place my money on CC. Besides, Santana is already losing velocity.
note: were refering to Santana’s career workload. He was overworked, in MINN
“matsui – bust
damon – bust
giambi – bust
arod bust”
you stupid. how have they been a bust? Matsui been on the DL only twice ever since joining the Yanks in 2003. First, was the wrist while making a diving catch and second, was the knees. Damon was been consistant. Giambi was consistant was well besides this season. A-Rod only awful year as a Yankee and it was in 2006.
S.o.S.27,
Matthews may be a Gold Glove winner, but he’s not an elite fielder. Dude basically sucks.
Ed – looking forward to 2009
November 6th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
“matsui – bust
damon – bust
giambi – bust
arod bustâ€
you stupid. how have they been a bust? Matsui been on the DL only twice ever since joining the Yanks in 2003. First, was the wrist while making a diving catch and second, was the knees. Damon was been consistant. Giambi was consistant was well besides this season. A-Rod only awful year as a Yankee and it was in 2006.
your english skills blow. hahahaha
“your english skills blow. hahahaha”
and your point? wow, 2 typos. big deal!
“Santana is a much better pitcher than Santana.”
???
We still dont know what the final offer was for Santana. Last i heard it was Wang,Kennedy,Melky and someone else. The center fielders in the free agent market were already signed. Plus we would still be looking for another pitcher. Plus Santanas velocity is going down. Not a good sign. Lets move past Santana.
you only wrote 18 words..
i call them a bust because of this.
A. if you get signed by the yankees, you are brought in to win a championship.
B. Damon was overpaid. all because they wanted to get him out of Boston. and clearly he is not the same player as he was there.
Matsui – sure he was good right away.. but he is overpaid and injury prone
giambi – steroids, no defense, he sucks!
no championships.
are you a teacher? just wondering..
Looks like Mauer came on tonight to start something…lets review the roster proposed:
“Damon / melky- CF
Jeter – SS
Tex – 1B
Arod – 3b
Holliday – LF
Posada – C
Cano – 2B
Melky / ???? – RF
if you trade with texas.. get Salty and put him at DH
he can catch when posada needs a break
wang, burnett/lowe/penny I(maybe Greinke)?, petitte, hughes, joba
lyon, fuentes, rivera
its a 5 inning game..”
Yeah right…where did you get Holliday, Lyon, Greinke, Fuentes from???
What is this fantasy baseball?
Plus, you proposed a 300 million dollary payroll…bust
*dollar…since spelling counts
“Matsui – sure he was good right away.. but he is overpaid and injury prone”
wow, landed on a DL twice in his Yankee career and he’s an injury prone? do you even know what’s an injury prone? See Pavano. Just go put down your controller and step away! Playing too much games will not make it a reality.
Yans 2010,
he thinks playing too much video games will make his fantasy roster into a reality. just ignore his stupidness.
The only way Arod was a bust in 06 is if you compare him to the 05 MVP arod. He still hit 35 bombs and hit over .280. If you are saying that as a Yankee, the year is a failure if we dont win a championship. Then you might be right(Jeter has stated many times). But bust is way off.
The funny thing is…most of the aforementioned busts were not busts…however…the team collectively was
Being here in OC, it’s hard for me to see how the Angels can do deals for both CC and Tex. They’re going to want long committments. Lackey will be an FA after ’09, and they’ll want to keep him. They have lots of cash wrapped up in Matthews through ’11 and Hunter through ’12. They need to restock their pen (only Shields, Arredondo, and Speier remain, and the 2 S guys average $5mm each through 2010), need a starter, and a 1B. They have good prospect depth in the IF where they’re already young, will have Figgins and Vladdy also hitting FA after ’09 if not extended, and no big OF prospects. Santana is arby, as are Napoli, Izturis (yr. 2), and Figgy (3). Weaver and Saunders will follow next year with Kendrick and Aybar. They have money coming off the books this year ($35mm), but looking down the road they’d be pushing some big numbers and without much revenue upside since they’re playing to 95% capacity. Just can’t see them landing both big guys, despite Moreno’s penchant for the bold move.
I think they’ll go hard for Tex, find a lesser light for the rotation, and hope some prospect pitchers develop. That still leaves them to replace K-Rod and lefty Oliver in the pen.
Dodgers actually have lots of money freeing ($50mm), but also lots of needs (IF, SP), and like the Angels they were at $120mm in ’08. Thir downstream situation is better, as bad contracts for A.Jones and Jason Schmidt free up another $35mm after ’09. They could have the priciest and crappiest OF in baseball with Manny, Jones, and Pierre all signed, and Kemp and Ethier too.
Also, ARod had 121 RBIs in his “bust” 2006. If I recall correctly that was around 3rd highest in the AL.
It doesn’t make sense to me that the Yanks would decline the option and then sign him to a multi-year deal when they could have just picked up the option and signed him to an extension. Unless Marte is going to accept a 2-year, $6M contract (not going to happen)…I know lefty relievers is a big commodity, but he struggled in his short time here. I wouldn’t mind taking the 2 picks and taking my chances with the young arms and the other potential upcoming arms for the bullpen. I don’t know how much of a realistic option Coke would be for the pen, but if he has better stuff in the pen than as a starter, I’d pursue that.
The Yanks have a better draft position this year than they’ve had in a long time, so it could be a good time to pick up some legit positional and pitching prospects. I know Cashman wanted Marte back for a long time, but he can’t just go by blind lust for Marte. Farnsworth could make the same or less money for perhaps a 1-year deal, not that I want him back but he did seem to like being here and he did a decent job there for a little while this year. At least signing him wouldn’t cost the Yanks a pick.
Just saw from Ken Davidoff that the Mets are shopping Scott Shoenweis and would be willing to pick up part of his salary. That might not be a bad deal. Buy low on a lefty reliever at low cost…his numbers were good against lefties.