Pettitte files for free agency
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 09, 2008 
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Andy Pettitte filed for free agency today. He is the last eligible Yankee to do so as far as I can tell. The Yankees hold exclusive negotiating rights with him through Thursday.
I think this week is when Mike Mussina will officially retire and maybe when the Yankees will come to a deal with Pettitte. The big lefty said Friday night he wants a one-year deal and he doesn’t want to go anywhere else. So give him a little pay cut (say to $12 or $13 million) and get it over with.
The Yankees need Pettitte and two more starters if you ask me, and nobody did. Then you get a rotation like so:
1. Big-ticket free agent (Sabathia)
2. The Wanger
3. Fairly big-ticket free agent (Lowe or Burnett)
4. Pettitte
5. Jobamania
Now before you get in a tizzy over Joba being the fifth starter, consider that his innings will be limited. They will have to skip him once a month at the very least to accomplish this. That is what you do with your fifth starter. Once the season starts labeling the starters is a useless exercise anyway.
This will allow them to start pick somebody decent (Alfredo Aceves, say) as a long reliever and to start Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy in AAA. Once somebody gets hurt (and somebody always gets hurt), you have Hughes, Kennedy, Jeff Marquez or whoever ready to fill in.
The Yankees need to insulate themselves now as best they can. Otherwise it’s another June phone call to Sir Sidney.
That would be a nice rotation-I still think the Yanks will make a bigger play than people think on Teixeria. CC and Tex is asking for a lot but it very well could happen.
I admire and like the way you prefaced the Joba as the 5th starter …You do know that there’s still going to be some backlash anyway….
Agreed. I sense the 09 season a good one for the Yanks.
If the Yanks can’t get or pass on lowe, AJ, than Greinke is a guy they better be pursuing heavily. He is available and ready to take that next step. Price will be high though.
Huh?!
I thought Phranchise would at least be our number 3!!!1!1!!!
So give him a little pay cut (say to $12 or $13 million) and get it over with no way 5 mil take it or see you
** Once somebody gets hurt (and somebody always gets hurt)**
sad but true..
Andy and the Yankees for another year is a perfect fit.
“GreenBeret7
November 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Payton was an amazing person. As a player, there was none better”
the best i’ve ever seen.
All indications are that Moose will retire, yes, but I’m holding out a little hope until it actually happens. Who knows, maybe Jeter will give him a call and whisper that he thinks CC might be coming… maybe Moose will think about one more try for a ring… maybe… oh well, a kid can dream, right?
If thats the way the rotation shakes out, if we get Sabathia we can’t sign Lowe. I don’t think he’s #3 material in the AL.
Burnett is a hang nail away from going on the DL but he’d be a better #3 than Lowe would be.
I don’t want to come off as jerk here but for those that think the yankees should go after grenkie, that’s just not a good idea. The guy has a document case of depression and I believe is currently medicated for such. He is very talented and I will bet a nice guy as well but when a big worry is always “will this guy handle the pressure of New York” his mental state doesn’t scream lets give up premium prospects for him.
Pete isn’t going to congratulate the Jets on a well played game? They kicked the rams butt today!!
I still say if he’s available and for a 2 yr. deal Ben Sheets would look good in a Yankee uni. if people aren’t down w/ AJ.
How can Chamberlain be a #5? He’s an “Ace”. Boy…some people. Igawa make the team out of Spring Training and becomes a 20 game winner. You heard it here, first.
**How can Chamberlain be a #5? He’s an “Aceâ€. Boy…some people. Igawa make the team out of Spring Training and becomes a 20 game winner. You heard it here, first.**
comments like that makes me think its an imposter. lol
**I still say if he’s available and for a 2 yr. deal Ben Sheets would look good in a Yankee uni. if people aren’t down w/ AJ.**
Ben Sheets wasn’t able to pitch when the games actually count, like his first playoffs game.
NYY really needs to consider front loading all of their big ticket FA signees. It would make it easier to move the contracts further down the road if something better comes through the system or FA.
Igawa: “I just woke up feeling like they were going to make me look stupid.”
Lost in translation?
Ed – looking forward to 2009
November 9th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
How can Chamberlain be a #5? He’s an “Aceâ€. Boy…some people. Igawa make the team out of Spring Training and becomes a 20 game winner. You heard it here, first.
comments like that makes me think its an imposter. lol
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Ed, that hurts. Can’t you tell expert, professional scouting reports when you see them?
GB, the next time I would have to identify you I would have to ask you for your age. lol, and i know you are like 20+ years older.
AJ is a very good #2 starter when he is healthy and pitching up to his ability like the 2008 season with Toronto.
Joba at best at this point is a #5 starter. Joba must prove himself fit enough to pitch 200 Inns in a season to be consider a starter. Great stuff does not always translate to being a great starter. Mo had great stuff back in the mid-1990′s. It took a while to finalize his ultimate role. Joba has a chance to be a great starter if he can stay healthy and stay fit.
“Ben Sheets wasn’t able to pitch when the games actually count, like his first playoffs game.”
Ed, I’m not saying go give him the max I’m saying he wouldn’t be a bad choice if he stays healthy remember every yr. since 05′ his innings has improved, last yr. he nearly gave 200 innings, he’s a big game pitcher, tried to give it a go and was shut down by forearm tendon it’s understandable the risks but his rewards could be big.
Put it this way if Sheets is available for 2 yrs. at 10 million per would you turn it down ?
What, no love for Phil Coke? Or is he an automatic bullpen guy?
Brandon,
I wouldn’t mind giving Sheets a chance, its whether when will he lands on the DL and for how long. His stuff would translate very well in the AL either way.
Ed – looking forward to 2009
November 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
GB, the next time I would have to identify you I would have to ask you for your age. lol, and i know you are like 20+ years older.
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You can tell that it’s me, Ed. I have about 6 typos per line.
**Put it this way if Sheets is available for 2 yrs. at 10 million per would you turn it down ?**
of course not. it would be a bargain.
GB,
what your insights on Josh Anderson? he would make a good LFer. Potential 300+ hitter with a decent glove. what would the Braves want for him?
I don’t think Andy is worth $12 – $13 million. At his age, he can be expected to deteriorate in effectiveness and innings. His ERA averaged over the last 2 years is 4.30. I’d predict 2009 to be 4.50 or higher.
He was overpaid for what he accomplished in 2008. That’s not a good reason to overpay him in 2009.
Now, Sheets would never sign for 2 year and 20 MM. Unless there’s some crazy incentives that push the money per year through 20 MM.
Wow, exciting ending in the GB/Minny game, congrats to the Packers for covering the tiny spread in a losing effort!
And booooooooo to AC Milan for conceding a goal to Leche late into injury time for a 1-1 draw. Leche is supposed to be a cute nickname for Melky, not a soccer team that costs me money.
CC/Wang/FA/Pettitte/Joba would be a terrific rotation.
Greinke would be great.
Matt Cain might also be available. Peavy seems not to be available–to the Yanks, anyway.
But how about this: offer Hideki Matsui to Seattle for Eric Bedard.
Bedard was one of the best lefties in the AL going into 2008. Then, things got weird. He just had some shoulder surgery–had a cyst removed, and a debridement, which is not major and, I think, similar to the procedure that Mariano Rivera just had–and could be back strong. He’s only 29.
I think Seattle would trade Bedard AND that they would love Matsui. The Yanks could replace Matsui’s LH power by signing Adam Dunn to DH. They’ve got a few “expendable” prospects if they’d need to sweeten the deal (Marquez, Robertson, etc.).
CC/Wang/Bedard/Pettitte/Joba would be one heckuva rotation.
“Now, Sheets would never sign for 2 year and 20 MM. Unless there’s some crazy incentives that push the money per year through 20 MM.”
There isn’t a team stupid enough to give him 3 – 5 yrs. that’s why he might get near Kyle Lohse like price tag instead of Beckett like. The closest suitor has been said to be the Texas Rangers, Nolan Ryan really likes him, ATL, NYY and STL are the other names.
Andy has done well financially during his career so a 1-year deal for $10-12M will not make him nervous.
If Andy wants to return he better take less than that. To give him 10 – 12 after last season what are we handing out $$$ now. For Andy 5-7 million 1 yr. would be understandable if not he can retire.
**The Yanks could replace Matsui’s LH power by signing Adam Dunn to DH**
I prefer Matsui over Dunn. Matsui is an rbi machine when healthy. this is his second time in his Yankee career landed on the DL.
Brandon,
Nady and a pitcher to the Braves for Josh Anderson. good/bad trade?
harley,
FWIW, the real Yankee GM has said that Coke’s role will depend on what happens over the winter. He said he could be a reliever or he could transition as a starter. Sounds like he’ll play a role either way.
No to Bedard! Had awesome stuff, but was very aloof in the clubhouse. I think one of the beatwriters said “weird” and another one used “doesn’t give a crap”. J/K on that last part.
Ed – looking forward to 2009
November 9th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
GB,
what your insights on Josh Anderson? he would make a good LFer. Potential 300+ hitter with a decent glove. what would the Braves want for him?
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I haven’t a clue, Ed. I know very little about Johnson, or, any of the Braves system players. Sorry that I can’t answer other than he came out of the Houston system.
He’s 25 and another LHB …next.
**I haven’t a clue, Ed. I know very little about Johnson, or, any of the Braves system players. Sorry that I can’t answer other than he came out of the Houston system.**
ok thanks.
“I prefer Matsui over Dunn. Matsui is an rbi machine when healthy. this is his second time in his Yankee career landed on the DL”
Matsui have been the best ‘post-dynasty’ New York Yankee, IMO. He is overlooked/taken for granted.
$5M is an insult for a pitcher like Andy. Especially for 1 year.
Shame on you for even suggesting such a figure.
Vinny-b he’s never healthy, and it’s not like he’s Griffey in the OF.
“$5M is an insult for a pitcher like Andy. Especially for 1 year.
Shame on you for even suggesting such a figure.”
What was an insult was last season Andy’s 2nd half, this is a business money needs to be spent wisely. You got to take your heart away when it comes to this.
Vinny,
agreed. people just think he’s an injury prone because of 06 and this year.
Brandon,
What’s an insult is that people ignore the fact that Andy was pitching injured.
What’s an insult is that people FORGET that Moose had a horrendous ’07 and bounced back.
What’s an insult is that people say give a blank check to a pitcher.
Giving a guy 40% over the second highest bidder is not only an insult to our senses, it’s a poor business decision.
Love ya, Brandon, but there’s plenty of money to go around. Andy doesn’t deserve $16M, but he does merit more than $5M.
Farnsworth made that much.
If Mussina was worth 11 million after his ’07 season, then Pettitte is worth 13-12 million.
Okay. Sorry about that. I’m calm now.
It’s not even a decision of the heart.
We need to shore up the rotation. Andy for a year does that.
If you don’t sign Andy and if Moose retires, we’re left with 1.5 pitchers. Wang & Joba.
Then you’ve got to sign at least 2, possibly 3 free agents to long-term contracts?
Tom,
The difference is that Mussina was under contract for ’08 for that money. Or was there an option?
Couldn’t agree more, Pete. That sounds dead on and sounds like that’s exactly what the Yanks will do. Get that much done and you’ve already got yourself a damn good off-season.
It really shouldn’t matter to us whether the Yanks bring Pettitte back for 5M or 12M on a one year deal. The amount of the contract should matter to us as fans when it is a multi year deal, and the amount of the contract makes that player un-tradeable. Or, if the deal is for so much that the Yanks can’t go after another player that would help the team. That is what happened in ’05 when they didn’t go for Beltran because of the dollars to RJ and others.
But, Pettitte, if he comes back to pitch, will be in NY all year regardless. And, I doubt if a difference of 7M or so keeps the Yanks from other moves.
A $5 million offer would be synonamous with saying “Andy, are you SURE you don’t want to retire or go back to the Astros?” Sometimes you’re paying a little extra for past performance, unfortunately, but Andy is worth more than $5 million regardless, he’s that proverbial innings eater.
Ideally, you would load the contract with incentives, but just give the man his money.
And the right amount to offer CC is the amount that he will sign for. If you offer the actual amount he would sign for without going too far over, it’s a bonus, like winning both showcase showdowns. But if you get CC in pinstripes, the price is right.
Listen I love some of you but to give a reasoning of he was pitching injured and he’s worth 16 mill is just ludicrous, so we are to assume he won’t get hurt next year and earn that 16 million, the Yankees catered to Andy the 2nd go around it’s always been Andy after that saying I’ll let you know well guess what in a business you have to weigh that decision whether it’s time to move forward from the old guard or keep it. No one is saying move away from Andy but 16 mil ? are you nuts ? If Moose recieves 13 that’s because he earned it on his pitching in 2008, Andy broke down in the 2nd half that’s just the truth.
Anyone for Rick Ankiel for RF?
With guys like Abreu and Giambi certainly gone via Free Agency, we only have Matsui from the left side with 2 bad knees.
We should try to cash in Matsui now while we can as he enters his last year (contract wise) in pinstripes.
nicely said pete.
Brandon, who is saying that we want to give Andy $16 million?
Mel,you are correct. I had my Mussina chronology all fluxed up.
Remember that story about Mussina telling Cashman that he’s “worth more than Pavano”?
“Nady and a pitcher for Josh Anderson of the Braves.”
Saw him play against the Mets and he has speed, defense in center was solid, a lefty who can’t hit lefties but hit aging righty Pedro Martinez that night. Basically the Yankees would be giving up way too much for him!
No rush to sign Pettitte. See how the starting rotation developes through FA first.
Yes I would take Ben Sheets for 2 years and 20M. So would any other team!
If the Yankees want another lefty starter, what about Scott Olsen who is arbitration eligible and on the trading block from the Marlins. held lefties to a .187 average with overall BA against of .253?? Would take a chance on Bedard, but not for Matsui.
My ideal rotation would come thru free agency:
Sabathia
Burnett
Wang
Joba
Mussina
Thoughts??
“Remember that story about Mussina telling Cashman that he’s “worth more than Pavanoâ€?”
He wasn’t lieing.
“Remember that story about Mussina telling Cashman that he’s “worth more than Pavanoâ€?”
That is certainly irrefutable logic, but if Donald Fehr and the agents catch wind of this, MLBs minimum salary will always be a dollar more than what Pavano made from ’05-’08. Forget the Mendoza line, welcome to the Pavano Line.
“Anyone for Rick Ankiel for RF?”
Ankiel is also a FA in 2010. There is a possible trade involving Holliday and others? for Ryan Ludwick and possibly Skip Schumaker going back to the Rockies. Could we find an outfielder from the Rockies if that trade goes down?
Schumaker, Spillborghs??
5M is an insult for a pitcher like Andy. Especially for 1 year.
Shame on you for even suggesting such a figure
insult is what andy was 2008 now thats an insult
Hello?! You’ve got an 8 point lead. What’s with all the 3-balls? C’mon, Knicks.
“Could we find an outfielder from the Rockies if that trade goes down?”
Hawpe
Boy are they lucky the Jazz can’t play in NY
I actually met Girardi yesterday at a WFAN event at BestBuy, of all places. He mentioned the same as what was reported a few days ago – Moose told him in September that he was leaning toward retirement – but Girardi thinks it’s a good idea to give him “a couple months” to come to a decision. I think he worded it “to find what’s in his heart,” heh.
Girardi mentioned he didn’t expect a decision from Moose until December. Who knows if it’ll take him that long, but Pettitte may be waiting a while for an offer, then.
i like this plan if FA #2 is Burnett; not so much for Lowe. Wang and Pettitte are both sinker-grounder pitchers, so if there are 2 FAs I’d want them both to be power pitchers.
I agree with Nick, I’m holding out hope for Moose, but even if he comes back for another year, there is little risk to bringing back Andy for 1 year $12M plus $4M in incentives.
I am also starting to get hot for Tex, I’m sick of 1B being a question mark for about the 5th straight year.
“I think this week is when Mike Mussina will officially retire and maybe when the Yankees will come to a deal with Pettitte.”
Here’s what I don’t get Pete. You have basically assured us that Mussina is retiring. You seem to get irate when anyone suggests the possibility that he won’t. Yet we all know he has not made a decision yet. So there is still a chance that Moose will be back. If he was as sure he was retiring as you seem to be, he would have done so well before now since Moose isn’t a games player. So the reality is that nobody knows whether he is going to retire or return. That includes you.
While it may end up that it does, it also may end up that he doesn’t. I think I could have a lot more respect for your position if you didn’t insist on speaking in absolutes, as if you know something about Moose retiring that nobody else does, including Moose.
Unless and until Moose officially announces he is retiring I will continue to hold out hopes that he comes back. I think there is much chance that he will as there is he won’t. My opinion is that his hearing that the Yankees want him back could very well be what it takes to get him back.
In any event, if your position turns out to be the correct one, then it does. But it sure won’t be because you kept insisting that it was going to happen. The only person who really knows is Moose – and he obviously hasn’t made the decision yet.
*PLEASE COME BACK MOOSE!*
“I am also starting to get hot for Tex”
to each their own
Trisha, I agree that Moose hasn’t made a definitive, 100%, lock-solid decision. I heard an interview with him from a couple of days ago, and when he was asked if he had come to a decision (not to necessarily reveal it on the air), he wavered and said that he “thought he had [made a decision],” adding that he wanted more time to stew on it.
I think it’s pretty obvious, between his comments and Girardi’s comments, he had originally intended to retire and is now having second thoughts. Will these second thoughts outweigh his original intent? I don’t think so, but I don’t think it’s a total done deal either. I do agree that the media has been a little vehement in insisting that he’s done, but it’s obvious the “I think he’ll retire this week” is speculation.
As for the Yankees reaching out to him, both Girardi and Cashman have essentially said that it’s a decision Moose will have to come to on his own. I do think courting him to come back would help the Yankees’ case a little bit, but they’re apparently choosing not to for whatever reason.
anyone played GTA 4? And if you have, do i need to pick it up, or should i just finish GTA SA first, and enjoy that game while it lasts?
“I think this week is when Mike Mussina will officially retire…”
Shocking how Pete Abe speaks in such absolutes.
John Perrotto says the Nationals will land Mark Teixeira, as they could be prepared to offer Teixeira – a Maryland native – ten years, $200MM. Turning down that kind of money would certainly be difficult.
“John Perrotto says the Nationals will land Mark Teixeira, as they could be prepared to offer Teixeira – a Maryland native – ten years, $200MM”
God bless them
If that’s offer number 1 god have mercy on offer #2 ,3, 4 and 5.
After which they will rename their franchise the Washington Teixeiras.
AG – I heard Moose’s final interview with Kim Jones and he said he wasn’t sure of what he was going to do (that made sense) and when Kim Jones asked if he would want to come back and play for the Yankees (she does ask repeat and dopey questions, almost giving the impression that she doesn’t listen to the answers she’s been given!) he kind of shifted it to the Yankees by saying that they were going to obviously have to come to some kind of decision as to whether they wanted him back. I’m explaining it as best I can, but if you heard it I think you might have gotten the feeling that he was on the fence and that he also realized part of the decision-making had to come from the team in order for him to come back. To me, the fact that he even took it that far made me think that he would at least consider the thought of coming back if they indicated they wanted him back and that he wasn’t taking their desire to have him back for granted.
I am *hoping* that he comes back, hoping against hope. I am *praying* that he feels he has more to offer to the game and still wants to be out there. I can certainly understand if he does decide to retire and I understand people saying he would be going out at the top his game, having won 20 games for the first time and also getting the Gold Glove. That certainly can cut two ways, and I understand that. He’d be leaving on his on terms, feeling good about ending his career that way.
So all I can say with any accuracy at all is that Moose hasn’t made a decision yet and that I sure hope he ends up coming back. I think it is the height of arrogance for ANYONE to be announcing that Moose is unequivocally doing ANYTHING at this point, since Moose himself hasn’t announced what he’s doing and has said through his agent that it is a very big decision and he intends to take his time. In terms of integrity I don’t think anyone would question that Moose has incredible integrity – and if he knew for sure he was retiring he would not be jerking people around. He would have announced it.
So it iritates me more than a little bit every time Pete tries to assert that he knows for sure that Moose is retiring. That to me is the height of arrogance. He may strongly suspect that Moose will retire, and he very well may be correct, but he does not KNOW for sure. So I wish he would stop talking like he’s pulling the strings on Moose’s arms and legs and it’s a done deal.
I admit that it might not irritate me as much if I didn’t really want Moose to return. If my little bubble has to burst, I want it to happen because the principal player in this scenario makes that decision and announces it, not because some reporter who thinks he has the answer feels the need to keep pounding us with it by speaking as if it is a fait d’accompli. It isn’t unless and until Moose says it is. Until then, anything is possible.
Anyone know Teixeira’s background? Teixeira is a common Portuguese name in Hawaii. Not saying he’s from Hawaii, just thinking he’s of Portuguese descent.
Nationals are a mess…There is no way they can compete in the next few years with that club.
Tex won’t go there. It’s either LAA, Yanks or Boston.
“Tex won’t go there”
if the offer is 10/200, he will go there. Will bet on it.
“Shocking how Pete Abe speaks in such absolutes.”
Actually you are correct that he is speaking in absolutes.
“I think this week is when Mike Mussina will officially retire…â€
The real relevant piece of information in the above has little to do with the TIME when Mussina purportedly will retire – but rather that what is being asserted is that Mussina WILL retire.
No charge.
I love that rotation Pete. Love it… luckily it’s realistic too
OK, I understand what you mean, and like I said above, I think it’s accurate to say he hasn’t made a definite decision yet. If nothing else, he sounded legitimately conflicted in that interview from a few days ago.
With that said, and I totally mean this in the nicest possible way… for your own sake, maybe try not to be so invested in what Pete (or any beat reporter) has to say. Whether a writer thinks a Moose’s retirement is a done deal or not has no real impact on his decision. I understand your annoyance, but I promise it’s not worth the stress.
How in the world does Jim Bowden have a job? He’s awful.
However: “An avid Segway enthusiast, he purchased a custom version in Washington Nationals team colors for Spring Training 2008.”
So there’s that.
“Tex won’t go there. It’s either LAA, Yanks or Boston.”
To play in his hometown and get 20 mill per w/ opt outs. heck that’d make me play in Washington. Oh and if he gets signed they could trade Ryan Zimmerman for SP or go w/ Zimmerman and Teix in the lineup as the 3 and 4 suddenly not a crappy team.
“anyone played GTA 4″
its great
Bring Bobby back! Deal Matsui for a 1st baseman, Derrick Lee, maybe? Sign CC but demand medical records, and an MRI on his whole entire throwing arm before anything is final. Re-Sign Pettitte, and then your done making moves. Let Burnett go elsewhere, unless the Red Sox are involved, then bring up the asking price. Let Lowe go elsewhere. Then you have Lee at 1st, a rotation of CC, The Wanger, Joba, Pettitte, Franchise. Then if Moose wants to return, put him in the 3 slot, push Joba to 5 and leave Pettitte at 4. Then you have Hughes, put him in a flex spot. 6th starter/spot starter/long man. If there arent any injuries or struggling starters, through May or June, send him to Scranton, and let him build his innings and pitch count.
“if the offer is 10/200, he will go there. Will bet on it.”
I think he wants a chance of winning as well.
“if the offer is 10/200, he will go there. Will bet on it.”
I think he wants a chance of winning as well.
“With that said, and I totally mean this in the nicest possible way… for your own sake, maybe try not to be so invested in what Pete (or any beat reporter) has to say. Whether a writer thinks a Moose’s retirement is a done deal or not has no real impact on his decision. I understand your annoyance, but I promise it’s not worth the stress.”
AG – thank you for that, and you are absolutely correct. You just really put it in very good perspective for me. And you managed to do it without trying to take me down. Very much appreciated, very refreshing, and thanks. Unlike other yipping toy poodles here who love to take side shots, you brought it to me in a forthright yet respectful manner.
Consider it done. I will wait and hope – and deal with any eventuality when the time comes.
“I think he wants a chance of winning as well.”
Oh yeh I’d love to win too but throw in 200 million for 10 yrs. in my hometown and tell me the team sucks watch me play w/ a smile over there.
Mel – I think you are correct that the name is of Portuguese descent.
What’s even more shocking is that Pete Abe was able to get away with implying something negative about Sidney Ponson.
I know why I still frequent this blog –because I’m a vicious cheap-shot artist and an overall bad person, so I’m apparantly in good company here — but I don’t understand why anyone else does.
Brandon:
give yourself a bit of credit. You know you’d take a hometown discount, to play for the Yanks.
Mel.
“Teixeira and Tacherra – Aside from being the most confusing of West Marin’s Portuguese names, it’s “one of the most ancient names of Portugal,” said Melo. The name originated from the Portuguese town of Teixeira (pronounced Tay-SHAY-rah) and was used as a surname for the first time by Hermigio Mendez de Teixeira, who was lord of Teixeira and the region of Gestasso. This was during the reign of King Sancho I in the 12th Century.”
“give yourself a bit of credit. You know you’d take a hometown discount, to play for the Yanks.”
Yeh I would but I from NY he’s not.
I’m *
Trisha, you really crack me up. You need to be told not to take anything Pete Abe or any other reporter says too seriously? Really?
You don’t like “side shots” and then call some unnamed person a “yipping toy poodle?” Deep breaths, Trisha. Deep breaths.
Look guys: Boras sold A-Rod to go to Texas. I’m sure he could sell Teixeira on Washington… the only reason I could doubt him going there is because he went to great lengths to get out of the rebuilding in Texas, so I don’t think he wants to go back to a rebuilding project in Washington. But, quite frankly, who knows?
All I know is is that if this becomes a bidding war between the Yankees and Red Sox… Teixeira will be a Yankee. New York won’t be outbid by Boston
“Yeh I would but I from NY he’s not”
and Texeria is from Baltimore/DC. Ok, forgot that part.
I think the Yankees should consider randy johnson if Pettite isn’t an option. Now remember this, You heard it here first.
I think some of these guys (Teixeira) need to sit down and really think about how long 10 years really is. It sounds secure, but it could also be confining, to say the least. 10 years ago, my oldest daughter was 11, with all the things that go along with being 11. Now, she’s 21, with all the things that go along with that. 10 years is a looooooooong time.
Joey… no.
You are such a bore Nick and love to stick your nose in where it truly doesn’t belong and take cheap shots. If Pete is santa, you are his chief elf when it comes to performing uninvited interventions. On the other hand, the only time I am forced to realize your existence here is when I have to take the time to respond to one of your cheap shots. At this point I have to concede that the characteristic is part of your genetic makeup. It doesn’t make it any more pleasant to have to deal with, nonetheless.
The upside though it is makes me truly appreciate the wisdom , intelligence, and gentility of people like AG who at least took the time to understand my side of it while at the same time telling me in the nicest possible way that I shouldn’t be stressing out over someone else’s opinion of what may happen.
I appreciate people who can note the errors of my ways and try to help me see the same without trying to make me look like an idiot.
“You don’t like “side shots†and then call some unnamed person a “yipping toy poodle?†Deep breaths, Trisha. Deep breaths.”
Geeze what is wrong with me! Hell man you’re right. To prove that I don’t like side shots, I will sit here all day and night and let you say anything you damn well please about me and make all the snide comments you want, and I won’t respond because I don’t like people taking side shots Nick.
Nice job if you can get it Nick. All I can say to that is truly, wow.
Genetic makeup? What on earth are you talking about?
i wonder if the yanks look at shea hillenbrand as a utility player or a backup for baseman
Doreen,
Well, apparently Alex felt cozy & comfy enough in New York. Lots of uptown penthouses.
Nick & Trisha,
Get along, please!
Interesting short story. The title almost made me have a heart attack though:
http://www.esquire.com/fiction.....ck=main_sr
Phillies in the hunt for Manny?
“http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/mlb#”
What is the current betting line on which FA comes off the board first, and how will that impact the sequence for the rest of the ‘dominoes?”
mel, I am getting along! The fish were jumping out of the barrel.
Although I would appreciate it if Trisha would clarify her odd remarks. I mean, not all of them, just the ones that pertain to me.
back bench:
expecting CC, to be the first FA to sign
expecting Manny will go to Toronto, if LAD doesn’t raise the offer.
mel, you may not have noticed it so I will point it out to you. The only time I address Nick here (other than to agree with some point he has made) is when I am responding to one of his uppity remarks about something I have posted.
I think AJ will be the first big FA to sign.
Vinny,
I don’t know about Manny to Toronto. They may be really high on Travis Snyder for the DH role/OF role.
In the end, Manny probably ends up in La-La-land. Although, he’s much better suited to being a DH.
If Mussina retires, is there any reason to lock up Pettitte before any deadline, until we see what free agent starting pitchers we’re able to sign?
He want’s one year to play for the Yankees only. Last year when he took the 16M offer that was on the table,in mid December, it directly affected the Yankees decision making on continuing to pursue Santana who was traded in late January.
Even if it goes past the arbitration deadline, would it be so bad that Pettitte is signed later and joins the team in May?
Trader, I sure don’t think so.
trisha,
I don’t notice too much uppity, BUT his snarkitude is what makes him so endearing.
Anyway, I was just joking about getting along. You guys don’t have to. But we’d all pay to see you two kiss and make up.
Vinny-b (and anyone else), what about a ‘hot stove prognosticator’s ballot? Fill in what you think will happen and let’s see how the dominoes fall.
Player Team $/yrs
CC
Lowe
AJ
Tex
Giambi
etc, etc
“What is the current betting line on which FA comes off the board first, and how will that impact the sequence for the rest of the ‘dominoes?â€
1. Marte-to Yankees-resigns 2 year deal with clib option for 3rd.
2.Fuentes-to Mets
3.Burnett-to Yankees
All Boras clients-Manny, Teixeira,Furcal,Perez, others, will take longer.
Yankee Trader:
why d*ck Pettite around? He put all his cards on the table, and is one of the greatest Yankees of all-time. More importantly, he can still pitch, and being on a 1yr contract, is the pefect/ideal sign for NYY.
if Moose and Pettite were both available, i’d sign each of them to a 1yr contract.
(no to Lowe. And a long-term offer to Burnett is not really ideal)
12-13 million for Pettite is way too much. He is not even worth 10 million at this point in his career. Hopefully the Yankees realize this as well. He was more of a liability than anything last season and I don’t see 2009 being much better for Andy.
Yankee Trader, if the Yanks want Pettitte back, which I think they will, it will be for the whole season, they’re not going to jerk him around. And besides, it would make no sense at all to not have him go through the full spring training routine and start the season on the regular schedule. He gives the team 200+ innings, that’s part of the point of bringing him back in the first place.
back bench:
1) big CC (NYY)
2) Manny Ramirez (LAD)
3) AJ Burnett (Baltimore)
4) Mark Texeria (LAA)
5) Derek Lowe (Mets)
6) Bobby Abreau (Mets)
7) Giambi (Oakland)
9) Pavano (FL)
10 Fuentes (Mets)
If Pettitte wants to be a Yankee, he should re-up now. That way, he’s no concern when the Yankees are pursuing Teixeira, C.C. and Burnett
mel, I might suggest that someone’s snarkitude is endearing until you are at the end of it. And then it becomes mighty annoying. It appears to me that Nick delights in giving but actually becomes insulted when it flows back in his direction!
That’s a fair fight!
Anyway, I would still like to see Burnett a Yankee, and definitely don’t want Lowe.
“Vinny-b (and anyone else), what about a ‘hot stove prognosticator’s ballot? Fill in what you think will happen and let’s see how the dominoes fall.”
Economy to have a role in $$$’s.
Player Team $/yrs
CC- 6/138M
Lowe 3/42M
AJ 4/62M
Tex 7/126M
Giambi 1/10M-allready has 5M from Yankees!
Manny 4/96M with incentives
Dunn 3/50M
Furcal 3/42M
Hudson 4/ 48M
K-Rod 4/52M
How’s that for a start?
“12-13 million for Pettite is way too much. He is not even worth 10 million at this point in his career. Hopefully the Yankees realize this as well. He was more of a liability than anything last season and I don’t see 2009 being much better for Andy.”
We might be two of the only people who feel that way. But I definitely agree with you.
trisha,
I’ve been the object of his snark, but you’re right. It’s still a 2-way street and Nick should play nice.
Nick,
Be nice or you’ll get a time out. And definitely no Moose Bars for dessert.
And mel, I’m happy to kiss and make up. Though traditionally confession and repentance come before forgiveness. And I don’t take such tirades as those above very seriously; sometimes people just get mad as hell and they can’t take it anymore.
Trisha, are you suggesting that I become insulted when you insult me? How novel. You have my blessing to insult away to your heart’s content, but I would respect you a lot more if you would explain what you mean when you say things like “genetic makeup” as that could be interpreted by the casual reader in a number of ways.
trisha,
No offense, but did you forget what Moose looked like in ’07? That he was so bad that Torre was forced to drop him from the rotation. And that the only reason Moose had his magical season in ’08 is that the Yankees were contractually obligated to take him back?
Nick…. I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. Punks are running wild in the street and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there’s no end to it. We know things are bad – worse than bad. They’re crazy. Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot You’ve got to say, ‘I’m a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My life has VALUE!’ So I want you to get up now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell !
If the Yankees have CC, Wang, and Pettitte at the front of the rotation, I think Joba, Hughes and Aceves/Kennedy/Rasner/Igawa should be good enough for the 4th and 5th spots. I look at it as signing Burnett or Lowe vs signing Teixeira. Is the difference between Lowe or Burnett and Hughes bigger than Teixeira vs anyone the Yankees could have at 1st base? I don’t think so.
mel, thanks for at least understanding.
Nick, I guess what you don’t get is that taking gratuitous shots at other posters doesn’t invigorate me. I will fight back when attacked though.
Is Ben Roethlisberger overrated?
Trader:
Which teams?
“No offense, but did you forget what Moose looked like in ‘07? That he was so bad that Torre was forced to drop him from the rotation. And that the only reason Moose had his magical season in ‘08 is that the Yankees were contractually obligated to take him back?”
You are absolutely right Mel. And I am Monday morning quarterbacking here in the sense that Moose’s fantastic 08 (interestingly enough turned around as soon as Hank called him out and made the comment about him pitching more like Moyer…) is the very reason I hope there’s an 09!
Since he was under contract I never had to stop and think about whether or not I would have been calling for his head and praying the Yanks didn’t take him back in 08. As honest as I can be about it without being in the situation, I can only guess that I would have hoped the Yanks didn’t consider him for another season. I can’t be sure, but that seems to make sense.
That said, it appears that the Yankees are going to take Pettitte back. I can’t be sure they are, but I think they are. My OPINION at this point, shared by some but not by most, I believe, is that he is a load and I wish the Yankees wouldn’t consider taking him back. I think he is more of a liability than anything else and if it isn’t his back spasms it’s some other unknown injury that keeps him from being effective. I’d rather the Yankees don’t waste a roster spot on him. Again, it appears that I am in the minority, but it is how I feel.
Did anybody besides Herm Edwards think the Chiefs had a shot at getting the 2 point conversion? Terrible job by him.
Is Ben Roethlisberger overrated?
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I think a little
Rob: nice catch, very funny.
Trisha: sheesh, is anything that I or anyone else says such a big deal? Yes, I poked fun at your looooong post in which you went postal on Pete Abe for again opining that Moose will retire. As you have so often stated, nothing that anyone says on here is going to make a difference in what happens, so what’s the big deal?
If I’ve said something that you have a substantive disagreement with, even if it’s seemingly just a joke, by all means call me on it or ask me to explain myself, I’d be happy to do so. Can you say the same thing? So far the answer is no.
What makes this psychodrama even more amusing is that my first post in this thread was about how I’m holding out hope that Moose will come back until he officially retires, if and when that happens. You can look it up!
In closing, no matter how mad you get at me, I will never stop loving you. Smooch!
That’s a really nice list, and I would really want to see that rotation in pinstripes, owning. But I don’t think they are going to achieve such free-agency greatness…
It was the right decision, but a horrible playcall on the 2 point conversion.
“In closing, no matter how mad you get at me, I will never stop loving you. Smooch!”
And see, that’s enough for me. I’ve always been known to be a cheap date.
Smooch back.
**that’s enough for me. I’ve always been known to be a cheap date.**
lol, no comment.
trisha,
Thanks for being honest.
My take on Pettitte is that he came back to the Yankees 2 years ago to help us. He also said that he wanted to pitch at the new stadium.
He’s a Yankee stalwart and I think that they should grant his wish.
He wasn’t terrible this past year, in spite of what people remember.
He only wants a year, contrary to the many reports to the contrary.
He fills the need of being an innings eater and he’s a lefty.
Can you imagine a world where Andy Pettitte is your #4 or #5? I can.
Can you picture a world where Carlos Silva or Livan Hernandez is your #5? I can, but then I smile and think about Andy taking the ball every 5th day and giving our team a chance to win.
Troy I know playing for the tie is a pretty lame way to go but I would rather take my chances with a coin toss where at least the odds are 50/50. Hope the G-Men can make it happen early so us Giants fans dont have to worry about that tonight. (8)
No, I mean I agreed with the decision to go for 2, but the playcall… the formation and play they went with… was horrible. I almost wanted KC to go for 2 to be honest, what’s their to lose for them?
Ed, I kind of knew I was leaving myself open there!
Trisha, its okay. I wasn’t going to say anything mean about it. you cool.
Ed – the good feeling is mutual.
Knicks win against a good team. Jets blow-out a game, what a day.
Yankee Trader
November 9th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
“Vinny-b (and anyone else), what about a ‘hot stove prognosticator’s ballot? Fill in what you think will happen and let’s see how the dominoes fall.â€
Economy to have a role in $$$’s.
Player Team $/yrs
CC- 6/138M–Yankees
Lowe 3/42M–Phillies
AJ 4/62M–Yankees
Tex 7/126M–Angels
Giambi 1/10M-allready has 5M from Yankees!–Oakland
Manny 4/96M with incentives–Dodgers or Phillies
Dunn 3/50M–Toronto
Furcal 3/42M–Dodgers
K-Rod 4/52M–Rangers
How’s that for a start?
Bill Lee more unplugged than usual. He seems fond of the phrase “kiss my (butt) but also has some funny lines.
Thinks trading Manny was a huge mistake……
“I told everyone on (radio) that the Red Sox would not win it without Manny Ramirez, and they told me to shut up. I told them, ‘You guys don’t like to win, do you?’ Because he’s the greatest hitter I ever saw.â€
“I love the guy,†he said. “He’s a prima donna and he pushed down a traveling secretary. Well, you pick the traveling secretary up, dust him off, apologize and you go back to work. You don’t say he was a pariah, like Curt Schilling said. He can kiss my [butt].†………“He always took August off,†he said. “In France, they give you a month vacation and give you two hours for lunch. … He did it in 2004 and did it in 2007. He’s always done that.”
Thinks the Sox should re-sign him now…..
“Sign Manny Ramirez,†he said. “He only saved L.A. … They should patch it up with Manny. You’re going to see his number [retired] on the wall sooner or later, aren’t you? He’s going to be standing where I’m standing right now. Because if he doesn’t go in the Red Sox Hall of Fame, you can kiss my [butt] because he’s the greatest I’ve ever saw.â€
http://www.projo.com/redsox/co.....2689c.html
Plenty of bad vibes today…..Better get the Winter meetings and the FA action started right away…..Nick in SF, taking my humble earnings from this weekend and riding the G-Men plus the 3….Are you playing the game…
“Yankee Trader
November 9th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
“Vinny-b (and anyone else), what about a ‘hot stove prognosticator’s ballot? Fill in what you think will happen and let’s see how the dominoes fall.â€
Economy to have a role in $$$’s.
Player Team $/yrs
CC- 6/138M—Yankees
Lowe 3/42M—Phillies
AJ 4/62M—Yankees
Tex 7/126M—Angels
Giambi 1/10M-allready has 5M from Yankees!—Oakland
Manny 4/96M with incentives—Dodgers or Phillies
Dunn 3/50M—Toronto
Furcal 3/42M—Dodgers
K-Rod 4/52M—Rangers
How’s that for a start?”
Good start I like us getting the 2 best starters
I think Moose will come back for another year, or more.
Mel-
Go to cbssportsline.com, click on Pettitte’s situational stats, and then tell me what contract you would offer him, pitching in the AL East!!
Boston 7.04 ERA
Toronto 5.12 ERA
Tampa 4.13 ERA
LAA 7.94 ERA
KC 6.20 ERA
Chicago 6.00 ERA
Detroit 7.50 ERA
Baltimore 1.93 ERA
Oakland 1.13 ERA
Tired or Injured shoulder last year. Why do we owe Pettitte 12M with incentives for 4M for another possible 16M contract??
If Mussina does come back, hopefully we will have signed two quality free agent starters where we don’t need Pettitte.
I’ll be sad to Moose go, but not totally suprised. I really hope Pettitte returns in better form this year.
Yankee Trader,
Thanks for those stats. They certainly aren’t pretty.
My opinion of the situation is based on intuition. That doesn’t mean anything, but there it is.
I like Pettitte for another year. Sounds like the Yankees would like Pettitte for another year.
I’d rather sign Pettitte to a low-risk 1 year contract than pick up a 3rd FA pitcher with a multi-year contract.
PAT M: Yes, I am riding the Giants either to the penthouse or the poorhouse. Love how they came back and tied up the game.
Yankee Trader,
And if you’re talking about the salary, I think I’ve already said that I don’t feel he’s worth $16M, but $5 was way too low.
Right now, we need Andy more than he needs us.
And we need him for the full year.
If Moose comes back, he said it would have to be for 3 years (he wants to get to 300 wins). I like Moose but no way do I commit to him for three years!
Mel
I see your point, and it would be great if we have a lefty in the starting rotation, besides, we all hope, Sabathia.
Why not look at someone like arbitration eligible Marlin-Scott Olsen, who is tough on lefties, pitched 200 innings, in a trade package. Marlins willing to deal him, and 3 years cost for him won’t even be one years cost for Pettitte.
I just don’t see Cashman inking both Mussina & Pettite…They just need one of them to pitch in 09..If they are intent on bring in two starters from the outside, then they’ll only need one of them for a one year as I would think that spot is reserved for Hughes in 2010….One pitcher that is flying under the radar is Dempster….He posted great numbers in 08 in his first year as a starter ( since his Marlin days )…Considering he pitches in Wrigley..I rather him than Lowe and maybe even Sheets…He is versatlie…..Someone here mentioned him before as a viable option….He’s not going to demand insane money ….
“If Moose comes back, he said it would have to be for 3 years (he wants to get to 300 wins). I like Moose but no way do I commit to him for three years!”
Totally agree- one year with club options for each additional year.
Pat-
I liked Dempster, until I watched him implode in the playoffs, walking too many batters. If the Cubs trade for Peavy, maybe they won’t resign Dempster, but I expect him to go back to the Cubs.
I think Moose’s comment about three years wasn’t that he would demand a 3-year contract to come back but just that, if he were to come back at all he would have to mentally prepare himself to pitch for three years. But that’s purely in the context of going for 300 wins. After further consideration he may decide that one more year gives him the chance to win a ring, after which he could again consider his future options.
Well, $5 would be insulting. I meant $5M.
Why worry about costs when people are willing to pay CC the moon?
Would we have to give up prospects? Maybe someone who could be pitching for the league minimum within the next 3 years?
I can understand the male urge to get creative with trades, but I don’t see why we can’t let Pettitte pitch for one more year. If indeed you did get CC, Pettitte surely gets pushed down the rotation.
Someone had some nifty #s from BA about the average ERA for each slot in the rotation. IIRC, the average for the #5 spot was like 6.13 or something.
I won’t try to hard to convince you. I think you’ve made up your mind about Andy.
mel, what does this have to do with male/female? Are you saying that females lack the ability to think creatively? I disagree.
As for Andy, I agree with you that I’d rather have another season of him while we wait to see which if any of our high-cealing pitching prospects can become actual major league pitchers. Rather than locking into multiple years of a Lowe or a Sheets.
Nick,
Get your mind out of the gutter.
On this board, it’s the guys who like to get creative with trades. And they’re very entertaining. Some real whoppers.
The gals are more wait and see, leave it up to the people who actually make the decisions. We’re very easy to please (well, most of us).
With his physical question marks, I wouldn’t go a penny over $10mil for Pettite. He was horrendous the second half of 2008. . .
I’m not referencing anything on here in particular, but it amuses me in general when people on message boards/blogs get REALLY particular about how much the Yankees should pay guys like Pettitte and Moose. I don’t think Pettitte is worth anywhere near $16 mil, but I’ll never understand why people want to be slightly stingy with guys like him and Mussina when they’re ready to pay an exorbitant amount for guys like CC and Burnett. “$5 million!” “No, $5.5 million!”
My mind was never in the gutter and I resent your awful gender stereotyping! I think the females on this board are just as capable of creativity as the males. Someday I hope you’ll agree.
Mel-
If you want a lefty for one year, sign veteran 46 yo, rubber arm, Jamie Moyer who was 8-1 post all star break, pitched 196 innings,and made 6 million. He’s great in the clubhouse, and younger pitchers could learn a lot from him.
The Giants/Eagles seem to have played a whole lot of football for 15 minutes.
Probably $7 or $8 million would be about right for Pettitte, because we all know from last off-season that $5 million can be an insulting figure. Sorry to bring THAT up again.
Aside from the first drive, the Giants are running and throwing all over the Eagles’ D.
Jamie Moyer would get DESTROYED in the AL East.
No way NickinSF you sily,silly man.
Moose is coming back! and for 3! years! Count them 1…2…3 !
Moose never lies !! NEVER!!!!
He told me 3 years and that’s what i’m going with!
That’s 3 loooooong Moose filled years and not a day short!
Nick
We are more than capable of creativity but we choose not to get caught up in insanity.
Who’s the Boss !!! The Giants win 35-14
It would be good to sign Jamie Moyer only for the inevitable comment from Hank: “Why can’t you pitch more like Mike Mussina?”
I hear you Yankee Trader, but it was only one game…Yes it does leave a sour taste indeed….I think we can agree that he’s better than that showing….
Okay, I think we’ve beat everything to death.
What do you guys think about Kennedy’s 4 no-hit innings?
“Jamie Moyer would get DESTROYED in the AL East.”
He probably would but his ERA against the one time he pitched last year against Boston and Toronto was much better than Pettitte’s. Except for pitching against Baltimore, the AL East ,AL Central, and the Angels in the AL West were a DISASTER for Pettitte. Look at my 8:30 post.
Heh, I just wanted to say that I totally agree with the statement that guys tend to be the ones coming up with elaborate trade proposals. Not that women lack the ability to think of them (I’m female!), but men seem to find it so much more intriguing than we women do. Reading trade proposal after trade proposal – 99.99% of which will NEVER happen – absolutely bores me to tears. It just seems so pointless and boring to me.
Just something I’ve noticed…
What a wacky day in the NBA.
The Knicks hand Utah their first loss (Thank you).
The Clippers earn their first win of the season vs. Dallas.
OJ Mayo has scored 26 points in 14 minutes of play.
Yankee Trader, I’m willing to chalk up a lot of Pettitte’s disastrous starts to a shoulder injury. I think a healthy Pettitte is far superior to another-year-older Moyer.
McNabb doesn’t look good at all so far. Maybe the Eagles should continue to use that Wildcat formation. It certainly works for Miami!
“Okay, I think we’ve beat everything to death.
What do you guys think about Kennedy’s 4 no-hit innings? ”
Great for Kennedy-Rockies like him. Do we have a trade there?
One last and final thought on Pettitte. If we sign both him and Mussina, it means we have probably failed to sign Sabathia and one other quality free agent starter, of which Burnett would be my choice, in my very humble opinion! Want 3 starters with electric “stuff.”
Good Night Moon, I mean Mel.
AG,
It also seems that the poor defense of the Yankees let down Andy more than the others.
No matter who we sign, we need to improve defensively. I think we need Gardner (or an even better defensive CF) and Tex (or a real 1B).
I disagree, Yankee Trader, I think if we somehow sign both Pettitte and Moose that means we probably only signed one big FA pitcher and are writing off the possibility of Hughes/etc. making the team out of spring training. Under that scenario, the rotation would be:
1. Big FA pitcher. And I mean BIG, hopefully
2. Wang
3. Moose
4. Pettitte
5. Joba
Take Moose out of that and the more likely result is:
1. big FA pitcher
2. Wang
3. other FA pitcher
4. Pettitte
5. Joba
For those that have decided that Pettitte is through, why? Though his 26 July game, he had a 3.76 ERA. He had 4 out of 11 starts afterwards that could be considered bad. He continued to give NYY the innings they needed, but, it coincides with the shoulder issues. Whether or not it was just a tired shoulder or not, I don’t know, but, I’d assume that was the problem and not as someone said, “He had elbow problems”. He had a short spring training and a hacked upwinter exercise program.
Until that 31 July game, he was 12-7. He didn’t forget how to pitch, he just couldn’t get his cutter to work. I see no reason that he can’t pitch to his previous seasons.
Why there has been no contact between Pettitte and NYY (according to the media) or Mussina and the Yanks, I don’t know, but, I hope that they at least offer arbitration, so, if those two feel forced to sign with other teams, NYY at least gets draft picks, instead of screwing up when they got nothing for Clemens. It’s just a matter of paperwork.
At least come to agreements with them and Marte until after the Rule 5 to protect more players and allow time to work trades with some of the excess. NYY will get hit hard in the Rule 5, if they don’t.
Brandon you didn’t have to leap
I liked the leap I just didn’t like being too casual with the ball. Leap and tuck.
DeSean Jackson is so awesome, it hurts to have to watch him in an Eagle uni.
A RB tandem that avgerages 5.4 per and on 3rd and 4th we throw….:?
averages*
If the Giants didn’t throw, the RB tandem wouldn’t average 5.4. Thunder + lightning + air attack = potent offense.
Nice Sam Madison!!!!!!!!!!
So who are the big name FA pitchers in 2010?
nobody runs a screen like philly….
I rather have Pettite than Mussina….Yanks need to load up with hard throwing guys who don’t pitch to contact….Moose surprised us all including himself….I just don’t see him replicating 08 in 09….Yanks import two starters out of this Free Agent class…At least that is what I’m hoping for….Along with a Texeria under my Christmas tree….
Buddy Biancalana, per cotts, I was too lazy to nit-pick.
-Brandon Backe HOU
Miguel Batista SEA
Josh Beckett * BOS
Erik Bedard SEA
Chris Capuano MIL
Jose Contreras CWS
Doug Davis ARZ
Justin Duchscherer OAK
Adam Eaton * PHI
Kelvim Escobar LAA
Mike Hampton ATL
Rich Harden CHC
Tim Hudson * ATL
John Lackey LAA
Cliff Lee * CLE
Jason Marquis CHC
Mark Mulder STL
Brett Myers PHI
Vicente Padilla * TEX
Brad Penny LAD
Joel Pineiro STL
Jason Schmidt LAD
John Smoltz * ATL
Claudio Vargas NYM
Jarrod Washburn SEA
Brandon Webb * ARZ
Todd Wellemeyer STL
Buddy,
Yuck and Poo.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....gents.html
Mel, I see we had the same thought.
Tom,
Looking at the list, I can see why the Yankees would pursue both CC and AJ.
Not exactly the blowout it feels like it should be, but the 1H NYG +1 is a winnnnnnnna and the rest are on pace too. Hold onto the ball in the 2H and we all go home happy, methinks.
Sooooo……..
Corey Webster questionable
Tyrell Thomas (rookie)
Sam Knight (old)
Sam Madison (I wouldn’t put him 1-1 w/ anyone unless it’s a goal line defense)
DeAngelo Hall is in Washington
This game is on Aaron Ross’s shoulders plus this offense.
Giants getting 3 points on the 2H bet. Seems too good to be true. A trap?
So surprisingly the Phillies want Manny huh
i think u can have joba be the fifth starter the whole season and limit his innings that way. no more switching him back and forth. skip him occasionally and keep him at no more than 110 pitches or so per start. skip him around the all star break. skip him in april a bit. take him out early in a blowout here and there. it can be done.
3-5, Utley Howard Ramirez. a dangerous heart of the lineup.
I played the second half to go with my game wager….The 43 overs is a lock …At least I hope….Da Bears killed what would have been a nice weekend…Played them a little to heavy today…..
Well played by the Iggles. I guess that’s why they were getting 2H love.
unless i cant count..if joba is the fifth starter he should be starting opening day at the stadium..how crazy is the crowd gonna be that day?
I completely agree with the rotation you set out Peter. That’s exactly what you need, with Hughes getting more practice in AAA before filling in for an injury.
Mwl, very true. To bad the best guys are with big market clubs or have options.
Ooops…I ment Mel.
Thanks Tom & mel-
I wouldn’t mind seeing Lackey in pinstripes.
Tom,
It’s spelled ‘mule’.
Mel-Ha!
The way I look at the FA pitchers is this: If they sign AJ It’ll be like an arranged marriage. Just because he’s not my choice, doesn’t mean I will not learn to love him.
Wow, incredible successful challenge, I thought they were nuts.
Nick, I think “Wow, incredible successful challenge” is the name of a japanese game show…..
Jesus, Freddy Robbins has two broken hands? That’s awful. I’ve broken all my fingers at different times playing but never more than 1 at a time lol That’s a man’s man for you. Let’s go G-Men!
Tom, you’re right, and what makes it sad is that Kei Igawa has already lost on it.
The Boss man leapeith!
Brandon, did you like Boss’ form on that jump? Notice how he cradled the ball during the leap, which Jacobs didn’t do before. Jacobs needs more leap drills but I think he’ll be a solid leaper before it’s all said and done.
I didn’t know Boss can jump like that
Meanwhile hey guys the Giants finally let Bradshaw out of his cell.
Need 7 here. Fade to Plax in the corner.
Hey Brandon there’s your boy Bradshaw showing America how they do it in the yard! lol
“Jesus, Freddy Robbins has two broken hands? That’s awful. I’ve broken all my fingers at different times playing but never more than 1 at a time lol That’s a man’s man for you. Let’s go G-Men!”
I played freshman football, for 1 play. On that play I caught a pass and got hit simultaneously and broke 2 ribs and my tail bone. I was absolutely miserable.
Nick in SF
November 9th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Brandon, did you like Boss’ form on that jump? Notice how he cradled the ball during the leap, which Jacobs didn’t do before. Jacobs needs more leap drills but I think he’ll be a solid leaper before it’s all said and done.
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Leaper or leper?
And just to think that a few short years ago, so many were ready to give Eli a one way ticket out of Gotham….Sounds somewhat familar regarding some unwanted Yankee pitchers…
Stupid russians gave Boss a 6.5
Eli is not an Ace?
These Giants must be first in the league in settling for 3.
My god why not throw there or atleast use Jacobs to run on the goal line. Boss’s leap gives us a FG.
Not good to settle for 3 there, but a 6 point lead means an Eagles TD does not kill the spread for the G-Men.
That’s the glass is half full approach Nick in SF….What a great block, calling it back though….
Damn Hixon had that perfectly , he faked the craddle and ran in unfortunately Johnson gave someone a hug.
Well that holding penalty really hurts. It may not have even been necessary.
The glass is more than half full now and with one more score it’ll almost be overflowing. Let’s get that 2-score lead!! I have the Giants on the money line too!
Well if they Yankees need 2 new starters on top of bringing back Pettitte then what’s the point of keeping Aceves, Coke, Hughes, IPK and others that are ready now?
Even if you think Hughes and IPK need more time in AAA what about Coke and Aceves? If there not good enough to be #5 starter then they should be part of other deals because IMO there worth more as a trade chip than as a long reliever getting mostly mop up duty.
IMO if the Yankees can sign Sabathia and resign Pettitte then they have 4 very good starters and if Aceves, Coke, Hughes or IPK can’t fill that role then deal them and go hard after a Jake Peavy.
I don’t want to hear about not dealing Hughes, if he’s not good enough to be one of the starters then deal him to improve the team elsewhere because as Pettitte’s time is up guys like McAllister, Betances,Heredia and hopefully Brackman as well will be ready let alone Coke, Aceves, Hughes and IPK.
Then there are 2 college pitchers from the 2008 draft that are going to move fast through the system and they are Jeremy Bleich and DJ Mitchell.
That’s not to mention Horne, Garcia, Marquez, Sanchez and Kontos.
So none of these guys are good enough to be a #5 starter for the Yankees?
Why was Cashman so against trading Horne and IPK last offseason when there is no room for them anyways? By trading them they could have improved the team elsewhere.
What’s the point of rebuilding the farm if they are only going to take advantage of part of it. It seems that they would rather collect talent then trade some of it to help the team.
Pleace Jacobs no torpedoe leap here.
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Ricochet
November 9th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Well if they Yankees need 2 new starters on top of bringing back Pettitte then what’s the point of keeping Aceves, Coke, Hughes, IPK and others that are ready now?
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The best reason to sign the top FA pitchers, regardless of how many pitchers they already have, is because it will annoy the non-Yankee fans and the rest of baseball.
That’s a first down your getting desperate Andy.
Maybe the point of signing free agent pitchers is to try to improve the team and win more games?
Jacobs, hold onto the darn ball!!!
Al Michaels repetition is getting annoying
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
November 9th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
If Andy wants to return he better take less than that. To give him 10 – 12 after last season what are we handing out $$$ now. For Andy 5-7 million 1 yr. would be understandable if not he can retire.
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andy would not accept that.
11 million per year is what he is wirth and that is great.
he was like 2-7 with an era over 6 in his last 9 starts,something like that.it was terrible.
andy makes me very nervous with the ped situation and not working out with clemmens anymore.
he seems like the type of pitcher that can lose it quickly.
worth
I just watched a video of the rookie of the year candidates on my iphone, I want Jay Bruce.
Slapball drills all week for the Giants RBs
Nick in SF…I’m not certain if I’ve asked you this before…Is Lefty O’Doul’s still open ? I plan on fying up next month for the Jet game and I never did make it to downtown last June when I went to see the Yanks….Love that place…There was a good Jazz club a few blocks away maybe on Taylor or Mason…..
The last time I was down in that area, Lefty O’Doul’s was still open. I’m pretty sure it still is.
Awww man, GOTTA get this 1st down.
Um. That was just awful. The glass isn’t quite half full anymore. Didn’t like that play call.
F-E-A-G-L-E-S FEAGLES!
We just dodged a bullet….Love Lefty’s as it’s walking distance to the Parc 55, so I can stagger my way back to the hotel…..
Time for the D to step up big now.
The half-full for the wagers is that the Eagles have to gat a TD and a 2-point conversion just to push the +3. So that’s not even an issue right now. But I want to win the d*&$%$%mn game.
Doesn’t anybody listen to Mic’d up Mike Francessa talks for five hours a day about his mom on the Fan? Chaos… Eli Manning works well under Chaos…. When it’s Chaotic he is calm. Chaos.
pettitte will be back.new stadium,yankees spending.
i’m sorry.i meant mussina will be back.
That was a great shot of Harold Carmichael. How he isn’t in the HOF along with Harold Jackson is beyond me.
WOW!!!!!!!!!
Yeah baby that’s the stop !!!!
Game, set, match…
Give Blackburn the gameball for that stop.
THE 9 – 1 GIANTS !
lol andy reid with 2 horrible play calls
4th and inches go get the 1st down, Jacobs trips and that’s 1 yard.
THE 8 – 1 GIANTS
NOW IT’S OFFICIAL
Damn Bears cost me a perfect weekend….
Hahaha, Philly Phans clearing out early. Love it. Great win G-Men! Cal-Giants parlay: winnaaaaaaaaa!
WhooHoo! What a game! Holding the Rockets to 34 second-half points.
Good call Nick….I did lose on SC( as well as Chicago today), but pushed on the unders in the Cal-SC game…..Not a bad weekend, but nothing like your parlay….
PAT M, I had the Giants in a ton of parlays and teasers, even with Italian/Spanish/English soccer games. A loss would have practically killed my account. Instead, I will dine well tomorrow night! Congrats to you as well.
And kids, this is all for entertainment purposes only.
Bingo Chips, that’s all we wager….
if moose wanna retire,yankees should re-sign pettitte
Pettitte for $12-$13 million?? Why is he worth that much? He had a bad year.
Nice post pete but i dont like the 10 plus million to pettitte after his horrendous yr last season. He is on he wrong side of 35 with two mediocre or worse seasons in the AL East. He clearly isnt the top of the rotation starter he once was as you even listed him below lowe and burnett type Free Agent above. A fpurth or fifth starter should be less than ten million but i guess with a one yr deal you hafta make sacrifices. Either way, He wont give us more than 15 wins next yr if he stays totally healthy and will at best, have an era of 4.5. That shuldnt be more than ten.
Also, Lowe wont cut it as a number three starter in the AL east. I dont even think he should be considered a cream of the crop free agent as he seems to be mentioned in the same lined as burnett and sheets who while more injury prone also clearly have more talent. I dont like any of them and would look heavily into trading for a number three starter. This is when cashmna is at his worst however – signing a middle of the rotation FA. When was the last time cash succeeded in that? one out of the last ten or so – pavano, igawa, johnson, vazquez, and the list goes on and on. He shuld really try redeeming himself filling this second hole. I am skeptical it will be for any sort of bargain or anyone we can really count on.
Baffling that they haven’t re-signed Pettite. Down this many SPs, a one-year overpay for 150-190 #3/#4 innings isn’t going to kill anything in the business plan; they can still sign the talent they need. Face it, they need 6-7 starters, not 5. This is messing with Pettite and trying to insult him – Cashman probably trying to talk Hankie-boy out of insisting on a lowball-plus-incentives contract – and driving him out like they did Torre. I don’t see a whole lot of evidence that Moose would be better in 2009. You can’t just photocopy 2008′s stat lines.
More evidence that the lunatics are taking over the asylum.
Joba as a #5 is a great idea. “Otherwise it’s another June phone call to Sir Sidney.”–not so much.