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BA ranks the Top 10 Yankee prospects

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 10, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Baseball America.com today unveiled its ranking of the Yankee prospects. This is their criteria:

Baseball America’s Top 10 Prospects lists are based on projections of a player’s long-term worth after discussions with scouting and player-development personnel. All players who haven’t exceeded the major league rookie standards of 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched (without regard to service time) are eligible.

This is their list:

1. Austin Jackson
2. Jesus Montero
3. Andrew Brackman
4. Austin Romine
5. Dellin Betances
6. Zach McAllister
7. Alfredo Aceves
8. Phil Coke
9. Mark Melancon
10. Bradley Suttle

I don’t see Melancon behind Aceves and Coke, but I can’t much quibble with their list otherwise. If you’re a subscriber, Jon Manuel is doing a chat on the list at 2:30 p.m. today.

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170 Responses to “BA ranks the Top 10 Yankee prospects”

  1. mel November 10th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Wow. Austin Jackson in the top spot is really tough. Lots of pressure for the kid, and he’s still learning the game. I’m not going to call him the CF of the future until I see him in the Bronx.

    I hope that people don’t dump on him like they did on Phil. Just enjoy what they contribute.

  2. RalphieD November 10th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    ajax should take pride in being the yankees #1 prospect..but with prestige comes pressure

  3. Tom November 10th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Is this list only available via print?

  4. James G November 10th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Phil Coke #8? Really? From what I saw this past season, he looked pretty good. Hopefully, he does turn out to be that good… AND we have 7 guys who turn out to be better!

  5. Mark in Tampa November 10th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Maybe Melancon is behind because they are projected as starters, and Melancon is a set-up man? That could have changed the values. Also, does Kennedy not qualify because of innings pitched in MLB?

  6. Art Vandelay November 10th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    I’m trying to help John Sterling circa 2010. Here are some ideas for him:

    Coke is it.
    Jesus Saves the Yankees.
    Ajax cleans up.
    A not-to-subtle performance by suttle.

  7. Ariel November 10th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Hopefully, the Yankees will not call Jackson up during the season and find that he is over-matched and not ready. His minor league (and AFL) numbers certainly suggest he needs more development before reaching the Bronx, his talents notwithstanding. We do not need a repeat of Hughes, Kennedy, Gardner etc….

  8. Patrick November 10th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Coke and Aceves should not be included in the top 10, in my opinion. Here’s my top 10 list:

    Jackson
    Montero
    Brackman
    McAllister
    Betances
    Romine
    Melancon
    Heredia
    Laird
    Suttle

  9. mel November 10th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Mark,

    I think that the raters saw what Phil Coke did in the Bronx. Yes, very tiny sample. But it was Joba-like with a miniscule ERA. Don’t know his stats, but IIRC Coke gave up very few hits?

    I still say that Coke’s a little too high and his age should downgrade his rating.

    And yes, I think that IPK has exceeded the IP limit. Otherwise he would still be a Top-50 prospect due to his total domination in the minors. :P

  10. RalphieD November 10th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    you can’t compare what they did with gardner with what they could with ajax..austin is much younger and hasn’t played on triple a yet..regarding hughes and kennedy, that was out of desperation

  11. Bryan (Yankees fan) November 10th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Fatcessa taking credit as the only one on earth who wanted the Giants to play their starters at the end of the season last year against the Patriots

    that man is so dumb its funny

  12. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    De La Rosa missing from this list hmmmm….. not surprised.

  13. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    “November 10th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    Fatcessa taking credit as the only one on earth who wanted the Giants to play their starters at the end of the season last year against the Patriots

    that man is so dumb its funny”

    I could have sworn the over night fans wanted them to play thier starters too. Heck it was debated on 1050 ESPN and SNY he’s getting a little full of himself right now.

  14. TurnTwo November 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    “and SNY he’s getting a little full of himself right now.”

    right now?

    you’re just noticing this about him now?

  15. pat November 10th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Holliday to the A’s?

  16. pat November 10th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Ooops hit enter by mistakes

    Per Jon Heyman on WFAN. DOesn’t know for who yet.

  17. SCRANTON November 10th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    yes holliday to a’s

  18. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Billy Beane is trading for him so that he can package him midseason. That basterd :lol:

  19. Ariel November 10th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    That Ajax is an incredible talent is not questioned. But temptation must be resisted. He is not yet ready and will not be ready this year. Perhaps not even next year. Let him develop, don’t repeat the mistakes of the past.

  20. vin November 10th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    One of the most blunt post-steriod criticisms I’ve ever read…

    “113) Eric Gagne, RP: Not close to the Gagne of old after he stopped pumping himself full of performance-enhancing drugs. ”

    From the link Pete posted earlier.

  21. Ed - looking foward to 2009 November 10th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    **Billy Beane is trading for him so that he can package him midseason. That basterd**

    sad but true. lol :)

  22. Ed - looking foward to 2009 November 10th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Now that the A’s have too many OFers, look for Beane to unload 1 or 2.

  23. Broseph (Brightside '09: Giambi won't bat 5th!) November 10th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Longoria & Soto ROTY?

    Holliday -> A’s?

    Meh.

  24. raymagnetic November 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Maybe De La Rosa is missing because of his total lack of a pitching resume?

    Brandon, you’re really dreaming if you think that WDR (Yankees Weapon of the Dominican Republic is going to be in the Bx. this year. His IP limit will be around 140 this year. He’s not coming to the Bx. this year. Maybe ’10 but more likely ’11

  25. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    If Ajax doesn’t win the triple crown within the next 5 seasons, I will call him an awful bust. I have no idea why Cashman turned down the Ajax-for-Pujols deal — don’t we need a 1st baseman?– but hopefully Cash knows what he’s doing.

  26. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    “Maybe ‘10 but more likely ‘11″

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he does pitch in 2009 in Sept. if not 2010 is a more realistic yr. but would I be surprised if 09′ he’s walking out the bullpen door ? Nope.

  27. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    And why the heck isn’t Tabata on that list?!?!?! He’s a can’t-miss guy. It’s an outrage.

    Oh yeah. Now I remember.

  28. Patrick November 10th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    How is it that Joba didn’t even finish in the top 5 in ROTY voting? He was phenomenal this year.

  29. mel November 10th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Are they announcing awards now? Soto & Longoria for ROY.

  30. rumor monger November 10th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Holliday to the A’s is really surprising, although Beane clearly has amassed enough prospects in the last couple of years to land someone like him. I wonder if they will be serious about extending him, or if he is just straight-up trade bait come this summer.

  31. TurnTwo November 10th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    “yes holliday to a’s”

    pretty much assures he’ll hit the open market after the season, too. thats good for Cashman with Damon and Matsui coming off the books.

  32. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    If Holliday goes to the A’s, will Giambi come in to play 1st as a late-inning defensive replacement?

  33. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    If I’m Holliday I’m pissed that Philly couldn’t get me. They send him to Oakland where he knows he’s not staying to hit FA in winter of 2009.

  34. rumor monger November 10th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    How long before the first person rips Brian Cashman for not landing Holliday? I’m going with over/under 3:00 EST.

  35. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    But watch midseason as the bandwagon fans call for Holliday over the airwaves trade this guy, trade that guy, we need him in our lineup ! just watch.

  36. RhapsodyInBlue November 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Most likely the A’s will use the Big “G” as a sub on the bases.

  37. mel November 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Isn’t the Colliseum (or wherever the A’s play) cavernous? How will those splits look now? Even? Skewing towards his road splits?

  38. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Why the heck couldn’t Cashman get Holliday?!?!??! The Rockies have a need for a sunglasses-wearing Japanese AAAA pitcher with a chipmunk grin.

  39. CB November 10th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    The offers the Rockies were getting for Holliday weren’t very good. The Boras factor killed his trade value. Interesting to see what they got back.

    It will be very interesting to see what Holliday does in Oakland if he stays there. He’s going from an extreme hitters park to an extreme pitchers park. That could really hurt his numbers, especially going to a new league.

    I’d guess he’s not too happy with this trade.

  40. S.o.S.27 November 10th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Wheres Gardner on that list? I bet he could beat any of those guys in a 40 yard dash. That has to count for something.
    Can Leche get some love to?

  41. Tom November 10th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    The A’s could keep him in hopes of contending. Their pitching wasn’t half bad (same team ERA as the Red Sox). Their Offense was awful. Holliday helps them.

    Plus, the Angles pythagorean W-L record was 88-74. Their not as good as they were last year.

  42. S.o.S.27 November 10th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Now that it looks like Colorado is unloading some of their players. What would it take to get Atkins from them for first base?

  43. CB November 10th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    “Plus, the Angles pythagorean W-L record was 88-74. Their not as good as they were last year.”

    Very good point. I don’t think Beane is getting Holliday to just flip him. I think it’ll be a more wait and see issue.

    He’ll likely get less for half a season of Holliday than he gave up for a whole season of Holliday. He won’t make a “profit” in talent trading him midseason. Or at least he’ can’t assume he will.

    The Angels aren’t going to resign KRod. That’s one piece gone. If they don’t resign Tex that’s another piece. Vlad is a year older. Garrett Anderson is gone. The Angels just don’t have much offense.

    The A’s have a lot of young pitching. I think Beane may see the division as winnable for the A’s with more hitting and some luck.

  44. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    “The A’s could keep him in hopes of contending.”

    Tom this is Billy Beane we’re talking about not Brian Cashman or Omar Minaya. He actually gets the star and trades for the bulk stud prospects.

  45. Patrick November 10th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    I could see the A’s competing in 2009. They were better than expected in 2008 and who knows what else Billy Beane will do this offseason.

  46. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    You have to figure that either Buck, Sweeney or Gonzales will go to Colorado along with pitching (Duchscherer or Gallagher) along with minor leaguers for Holliday.

  47. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    CB I love ya but remember he can package him w/ Houston Street and get 4 – 5 quality young near ready players from a desperate team.

  48. no.27 November 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    I think it’s good news that the A’s got Holliday. He’s going to be a free agent next year and the Yankees will have a chance to get him then without trading any good young players. His offensive numbers are probably going to go down in Oakland, so he might end up getting a smaller contract than he would have if he stayed with the Rockies.

  49. Wave Your Hat November 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Heyman’s article now says “closing in on a deal”, not a done deal yet evidently.

  50. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    If Sweeney goes to Colorado it’s time for the Yankees to sttep in and deal Kennedy to Colorado.

  51. CB November 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    “You have to figure that either Buck, Sweeney or Gonzales will go to Colorado along with pitching (Duchscherer or Gallagher) along with minor leaguers for Holliday.”

    Those are reasonable names. The big question is whether Colorado was able to get Brett Anderson or Trevor Cahill. I’d guess they did not. If they did Colorado did very well.

    Duchscherer and Gonzalez seem like good bets. Don’t know how Duchscherer will adjust to Coors field. I think Beane wanted to sell high on him.

  52. Mr. Exceptional November 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    What’s the motivation behind the A’s getting Holliday? Are they actually looking to contend this year?

    Is the perpetual stockpiling and trading off of prospects finally coming to an end?

    At some point you figure Beane has to put out a contender.

    They’ve been spinning there wheels there for years.

    This is interesting. Holliday, maybe the Big G back there to DH.

    Definitely worth watching to see what happens.

  53. vin November 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Classic Billy Beane… make a move for a guy who
    best case – leads you to playoff contention
    worst case – play him for a season then get a couple of compensatory picks for him. Or get half a season out of an all-star level player, then deal him in July for 75 cents on the dollar.

  54. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 10th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    **CB I love ya but remember he can package him w/ Houston Street and get 4 – 5 quality young near ready players from a desperate team.**

    Brandon,

    that could be true. the Rockies are in need of a closer now that Fuentes won’t be returning.

  55. rumor monger November 10th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Garrett Atkins is a butcher in the field, I don’t think he really qualifies as a solution at first base. Plus, he’s a right handed hitter whose done the majority of his hitting in the NL and Coors Field–I say no thanks. If anything Holliday going to Oakland now is a good guinea pig moment for the Yankees–if he flames out in the Bay Area and gets labeled a “Coors Field phenomenon”, the Yankees can save their money and invest it elsewhere in Winter 2009. If he puts up contract year/plus corner outfielder numbers, than they can use some of that freed up Nady/Damon/Matsui money to pursue him.

  56. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    My bet is he rapes another team by the trade deadline for a Holliday rental.

  57. vin November 10th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    “His offensive numbers are probably going to go down in Oakland, so he might end up getting a smaller contract than he would have if he stayed with the Rockies.”

    And everyone will really see what kind of player he is away from Denver. Should be interesting.

  58. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    cg, i don’t think Colorado would affect Duchscherer that much, though Gallagher might be. I haven’t heard a word, but, they considered trading Duchscherer last summer, so it’s just a wild guess.

  59. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    **If Sweeney goes to Colorado it’s time for the Yankees to sttep in and deal Kennedy to Colorado.**

    you just read my mind. lol :wink:

  60. CB November 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    “he can package him w/ Houston Street and get 4 – 5 quality young near ready players from a desperate team.”

    Brandon,

    In a package who knows. But just for comparison, compare what Atlanta gave up for Teixeira and what they got back for him when the traded him.

    With Beane – who knows. But half a season of Holliday isn’t going to bring back earth shattering value.

    That’s a very bad division and the angels weren’t as good as their record. I think Beane may be looking to win that division.

    If the Angels loose KRod and Tex are they really that good?

  61. Tom November 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Brandon, when has Beane ever traded a elite hitter in season?

    If the A’s are in it come July, Beane will keep Holliday. He’ll let him go and get the two picks.

  62. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    ***That’s CB, not cg***

  63. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    If Holliday really does go to the A’s and it looks like Beane is ‘going for it’, does this not make it more likely that the Angels will try to keep Teixeira and/or go for CC?

  64. rumor monger November 10th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    I think it makes the Angels absolutely have to sign Teixeira if they are going to score any runs. Garret Anderson is ancient and possibly gone to another team, Vlad is hobbling around like a Grandpa, Juan Rivera is probably going somewhere else for more money, Kendrick is hurt every year, etc. etc.

  65. Fredo Corleone November 10th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    “If Holliday really does go to the A’s and it looks like Beane is ‘going for it’, does this not make it more likely that the Angels will try to keep Teixeira and/or go for CC?”

    Halos are probably going to make a major run at one or the other regardless of how this Holliday thing plays out. Think they are measuring themselves against the heavies of the AL East moreso than the Athletics.

  66. CB November 10th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    “i don’t think Colorado would affect Duchscherer that much,”

    GB7,

    Not so sure on that. Duchsherer was a pretty big fly ball pitcher last year. 42% ground balls and 38% fly balls. Not a great ratio. Only struck out 6/9.

    Last season his batting average on balls hit into play was very, very low – only .240 (average .300). That explains a lot of his success. Random chance was working for him to some extent.

  67. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Tom you have a point there. CB you make an even better one. Now can we go get Ryan Sweeney or the Gonzalez kid if he was sent to Colorado. :)

  68. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    In Arizona, Russo is 0-1, jackson is 1-1 with a double and run scored, Miranda is 1-1 with a 2 run homer

  69. no.27 November 10th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    It’s funny that people are already saying Beane made a great trade without knowing who he had to send to Colorado. As great as Beane is, when is the last time that the A’s had a serious playoff contender? I would think teams will be more wary to trade for Holliday next year when they will only have him for half a season before they have to give him that giant contract. I’ve always thought that Holliday was overrated for playing in Colorado and a few other reasons and think could end up being a bad deal for the A’s.

  70. TurnTwo November 10th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    “does this not make it more likely that the Angels will try to keep Teixeira and/or go for CC?”

    great question… would make sense, but we’ve never known the Angels to be THAT active in the market in one offseason.

    plus the Angels prob see the same thing that most see here… Beane acquiring a stud OF for the potential of turning around his investment for a bigger package of better prospects at the ASB.

  71. Fredo Corleone November 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Olney and Crasnick say it’s done. Greg Smith is apparently one of the pieces.

  72. vin November 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    I can’t imagine Tex not re-signing with the Angels. They made the decision to go for the franchise type guy with the big name, when they had a perfectly fine first baseman in Kotchman. If they don’t keep Tex, then it makes their GM, Tony Reagans, look bad. Trading a cost-controlled (I believe) Kotchman for half a season of Tex would be a bad for move for any team.

  73. mel November 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Nick,

    I like your thinking. And if Boras takes his sweet ol’ time with Tex, then they’ll go hard at CC who allegedly wants to stay west anyway. Leaving us with Tex.

  74. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    CB
    November 10th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
    “i don’t think Colorado would affect Duchscherer that much,”

    GB7,

    Not so sure on that. Duchsherer was a pretty big fly ball pitcher last year. 42% ground balls and 38% fly balls. Not a great ratio. Only struck out 6/9.

    Last season his batting average on balls hit into play was very, very low – only .240 (average .300). That explains a lot of his success. Random chance was working for him to some extent.

    _______________________________________________________

    I didn’t look at his numbers, CB. It just seems that every time he pitched, except for the one Yankee game, everything was a roller to the middle infield. So much for perceptions and the memories of old people, huh?

  75. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    **gonzalez huston street and smith were discussed according to Ken Rosenthatl **

  76. the shining November 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    What about this guy?

    >

  77. mel November 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    vin,

    The Angels took the gamble when they traded for Tex. If they really wanted to lock him up, then they should’ve insisted on an extension. But Boras doesn’t roll like that.

    So yes, what’s the point of trading for a Boras client? You’ll get screwed either way. Either they leave or you have to pay threw the nose.

  78. stu November 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    everyone talks about Wilkins De La Rosa (righfully so), but the other pitcher who was lights out last year at Low A Charleston was their closer, Jonathan Ortiz … no one talks about him … look at his stats … especially strikeouts to innings pitched ration.

    I dont understand why there isnt more talk about him and where he is projected long term

  79. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    “In Arizona, Russo is 0-1, jackson is 1-1 with a double and run scored, Miranda is 1-1 with a 2 run homer”

    Miranda is abusing AFL sommething about him being the leader in BA in that league by 100 + points.

  80. Fredo Corleone November 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Street, Smith and Gonzalez were discussed by the teams according to Rosenthal.

  81. harwood November 10th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    I still think we get Tex along with CC obviously. I dont think the Angels have the guts for the Tex deal.

  82. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    stu because WDR is a LHP who tops out at 96 mph w/ swing and miss stuff and is new to pitching and being new at it he dominated 2 leagues in 2 yrs., AA and AAA is next for him.

  83. CB November 10th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    “So much for perceptions and the memories of old people, huh?”

    GB7,

    Hardly an issue of age! World is too complicated now to get by on perception alone. Even in baseball.

    Just think about how much more complex rosters are now than they were in the past. Before a 5 man rotation was much more likley to be … well … a 5 man rotation. Never mind a 4 man rotation!

    Way more roster moves, minors play a bigger part. Just more players involved. Hard to keep tab on things without some guidance from numbers.

  84. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    “I still think we get Tex along with CC obviously. I dont think the Angels have the guts for the Tex deal.”

    After that Holliday deal don’t bet they aren’t weighing thier options then there are the NAts set to start at $200 mil for 10 yrs.

  85. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    mel, I have also heard it alleged that CC is a big fan of Ben Franklin. And not the one that appears in statue form on the University of Pennsylvania campus.

  86. no.27 November 10th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    I don’t think anyone in the media is considering the Angels the clear cut favorite to sign Teixeira. I think trading for him mid-season puts their name in the hat, but it’s just as likely that he’ll sign with the Yankees. If the Yankees have decided that they need Teixeira to replace Abreu and Giambi in the lineup and improve team defense, they should be considered the favorites IMO.

  87. Fredo Corleone November 10th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    “Miranda is abusing AFL sommething about him being the leader in BA in that league by 100 + points.”

    He’s 34th in the league at .300. Started out blazing then slumped badly. He’s 12th in OPS though.

  88. CB November 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    “Street, Smith and Gonzalez were discussed by the teams according to Rosenthal.”

    Don’t like Smith, especially in Coors field. Way too many walks. He gave up 21 home runs last year in Oakland. That’s going to be 30 easy in Coors field if he pitches to contact like he did last year. Stuff isn’t great.

    Street – who knows what’s going on with him.

    Curious deal if this is it.

    Oakland has a ton of pitching. They won’t miss guys like Smith or Street and they can afford to give up Gonzalez.

  89. stu November 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    brandon … your are preaching to the choir … i have been keeping my eyes on WDR just like other fans … but look at Jonathan Ortiz … he dominated at Rookie ball with Staten Island in 2007 and then with Low A Charleston last year.

    He also throws in the mid-90′s and has been burying hitters … if there are issues with him, i have yet to hear what they are

  90. Patrick November 10th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    “As great as Beane is, when is the last time that the A’s had a serious playoff contender?”

    They won their division in 2006 with 93 wins…

    The A’s make it into the playoffs on a pretty regular basis. As much as people knock Billy Beane, he really is a very very good general manager. I’d rather have him running the team than Brian Cashman, and I’m a big Cashman fan!

  91. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    stu
    November 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
    everyone talks about Wilkins De La Rosa (righfully so), but the other pitcher who was lights out last year at Low A Charleston was their closer, Jonathan Ortiz … no one talks about him … look at his stats … especially strikeouts to innings pitched ration.

    I dont understand why there isnt more talk about him and where he is projected long term

    _____________________________________________________-

    Ortiz was indeed impressive. He had one stretch ofabt three games where he ran into problems, but, yeah, he was good. Decent fastball for a small guy, bit of a cutter and, like De La Rosa has that big Bugs Bunny Changeup. His control is outstanding, nice kid.

    Torre Tyson did a great job keeping those kids working and enjoying themselves. Tyson will make a really good ML coach in another year and a good manager. What he needs is more coaching help, like an infield-outfield coach.

  92. mel November 10th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Nick,

    We’re all Benji fans, but you’ve got to make your decisions based on what’s in your heart.

    Nature vs. nurture.

  93. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Stu, Ortiz doesn’t have a mid-90s fastball. 91-92 at best, usually 89-90.

  94. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    I believe it’s in CC’s heart to take the Yankees’ offer if it’s significantly better than competing offers. Are you going on the record now predicting that he will sign with a west coast team?

  95. Fredo Corleone November 10th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    “Are you going on the record now predicting that he will sign with a west coast team?”

    I think that if a west coast made an offer to Sabathia greater than Santana’s, thus making him the highest paid pitcher ever, the union would have a much tougher time pressuring him to take more dollars in locale he may not prefer. Otherwise, I’d guess the pressure to take Yankee dollars would be enormous.

  96. vin November 10th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    “The Angels took the gamble when they traded for Tex. If they really wanted to lock him up, then they should’ve insisted on an extension. But Boras doesn’t roll like that.”

    True, but they probably didn’t want contract extension talk getting in the way of their pennant drive – especially with their “team first” philosophy.

  97. harwood November 10th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Ive never understood that. What does this “union pressure” actually consist of in baseball?

  98. mel November 10th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Nick,

    No, I’m not predicting such a thing.

    But I think that other teams will be interested in CC and will also offer significant amounts. Enough to make him really think about it.

    People act as if the Yankees are the only ones spending like a sailor.

  99. CB November 10th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Just as an aside regarding this Holliday deal…

    I know many, many yankee fans hate Ian Kennedy, think he’s bust and never want to hear from him again.

    But does anyone think that Greg Smith is better or more talented than Kennedy? Smith’s average fastball was 88 mph last year.

    And Smith may now become a key part of a trade for Matt Holliday. Smith was 7-16 last year but he was ok enough to suggest that he could be a league average pitcher.

    Part of the value in being patient with young players, particularly with ones that don’t have enormous ceilings, is that you want to trade them at the right time – when they’re value is high.

    At comparable points in their career, there is no comparison between Greg Smith as a prospect and Ian Kennedy as a prospect. None. Zero. Smith wasn’t even one of the ten best prospects the Diamondbacks had when they traded him.

    But the A’s were patient with him and he showed a little bit. Given how hard it is to get pitching the Rockies wanted him.

  100. Fredo Corleone November 10th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    “What does this “union pressure” actually consist of in baseball?”

    I think it’s pretty much brow beating. “If you leave dollars on the table, you’re hurting the brethren” type stuff.

  101. no.27 November 10th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Oakland has never won a game past the ALDS with Billy Beane. I’m not saying he’s a bad GM, but why not wait to see what he gave up before calling it another great Billy Beane move? And I know that they don’t have the resources that the Yankees have, but lots of teams have had more success than Billy Beane with equal or less resources.

  102. Fredo Corleone November 10th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    “And Smith may now become a key part of a trade for Matt Holliday. Smith was 7-16 last year but he was ok enough to suggest that he could be a league average pitcher.”

    If it’s Street, Smith and Gonzalez, then Smith is NOT the key part. IPK vs. Smith is a non-issue when the Yankees don’t have a Street or Gonzalez to offer.

    We have to see the final deal before knowing, but I seriously doubt Smith is the centerpiece.

  103. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    In Arizona, Russo is 0-2, jackson is 2-2 with a double and 2 runs scored, Miranda is 2-2 with a 2 run homer, through 3 inings.

  104. Tom November 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    “the two teams have agreed in principle to a deal that will send Gonzalez, Smith, and Street to the Rockies.”

  105. CB November 10th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    “If it’s Street, Smith and Gonzalez, then Smith is NOT the key part.”

    I never wrote that Smith is the centerpiece. I said he was a key piece.

    I agree that Gonzalez is the most talented player going back. But Gonzalez had an awful year last year – he hit .242. So his trade value was also down a lot.

    If you’re trading Holliday and only getting 3 players back then every player is an important one, especially when the most talented player in the lot had an awful rookie season and a .273 OBP.

    My point was that by pitching marginally well at the major league level Smith increased his trade value a lot (if this deal goes through as rumored).

    It’s not as if Gonzalez and Street have immense value right now either, particularly given this is Holliday they are getting back.

  106. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    There are a number of overlapping issues at play here, most of them revolving around what CC really wants aside from a huge contract. If he truly longs to play on the west coast AND he gets a massive offer from a west coast team — an offer that the Yanks can exceed but not dwarf– then it stands to reason that he won’t be wearing pinstripes.

    But we don’t know how important being on the west coast actually is. He said playing in NL opened his eyes a bit, didn’t he? So how much does CC value being able to hit?

    How much does he value playing on a perennial contender? Unless he plans on pitching 33 complete games, how much would he value the support of a good bullpen? Much to ponder for the hefty lefty.

    Recall what the Minky the Eyechart and others said in September:

    “I told him, ‘How’s $250 million going to look in New York?’ ” says Pirates infielder Doug Mientkiewicz, who played for the Yankees in 2007. “He told me, ‘I’m not going to go there.’ I said, ‘Trust me, dude, you’ll love it there.’ He could handle pitching in New York. He could handle pitching on Mars.”

    Everyone, it seems, has a different opinion on where Sabathia will wind up. Angels center fielder Torii Hunter thinks they’ll be teammates in 2009. San Diego Padres ace Jake Peavy is convinced he’ll be with the Dodgers. Pirates infielder Chris Gomez insists Sabathia isn’t leaving the NL. What’s certain, Melvin says, is the Brewers have a better chance of signing him now than they did two months ago.

    “I don’t know what will happen,” says Sabathia, “but I will say the National League definitely opened my eyes up. It’s a different game. I’m having fun. I’m taking BP (batting practice) every day. I’m wearing my (cleats) every game.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports.....thia_N.htm

  107. Fredo Corleone November 10th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    “I never wrote that Smith is the centerpiece. I said he was a key piece.”

    Semantics, I guess. Of the guys traded, Smith is the guy closest to IPK in terms of value. But he’s 3rd among the three guys Oakland is supposedly moving. My point is that the Yankees couldn’t match this package on the Street/Gonzalez front, so a measure of IPK vs. Smith is not especially relevant.

  108. Patrick November 10th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    “Semantics, I guess. Of the guys traded, Smith is the guy closest to IPK in terms of value. But he’s 3rd among the three guys Oakland is supposedly moving. My point is that the Yankees couldn’t match this package on the Street/Gonzalez front, so a measure of IPK vs. Smith is not especially relevant.”

    First of all, Huston Street is really overrated, mostly because he won ROTY. I’d say Smith is more valuable than Street.

    Secondly, of course the Yankees could match that package. Ian Kennedy, Austin Jackson, Mark Melancon is probably a more valuable package than what Oakland traded (is it finalized yet?).

  109. CB November 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    “My point is that the Yankees couldn’t match this package on the Street/Gonzalez front, so a measure of IPK vs. Smith is not especially relevant.”

    Perhaps I wasn’t being clear. I wasn’t suggesting using Kennedy in a trade for Holliday.

    I was using Smith as an example of why the yankees shouldn’t just label Kennedy a bust and trade him now for whatever they can get as many people have advocated because Kennedy won’t ever amount to much.

    The point I was trying to make was for the future. I was suggesting that part of the reason why they should stay patient with Kennedy is so that his trade value will increase and could give the yankees the flexibility to make these kinds of trades in the future.

    If Kennedy show enough at the big league level to suggest that he will even be a league average pitcher he’ll become a valuable trading piece.

    Smith didn’t pitch especially well this past year, but he pitched well enough to increase his trade value.

    That’s all I was trying to say.

  110. Drive 4-5 November 10th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Does anyone know the criteria used to determine if a player is a “prospect”.

    Phil Coke appeared in 12 games in ’08 and Ian Kennedy has appeared in 13 career mlb games. Is Ian Kennedy still considered a prospect by BA’s standards or is he considered a major leaguer?

  111. Tom November 10th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Drive,

    “Baseball America’s Top 10 Prospects lists are based on projections of a player’s long-term worth after discussions with scouting and player-development personnel. All players who haven’t exceeded the major league rookie standards of 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched (without regard to service time) are eligible.”

  112. Patrick November 10th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Drive, read Pete’s post more carefully :)

    “All players who haven’t exceeded the major league rookie standards of 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched (without regard to service time) are eligible.”

  113. rumor monger November 10th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Now ESPN is throwing Ryan Sweeney and Brett Anderson’s names into the mix. If Colorado gets Anderson out of this, that’s a pretty great deal for them. Everyone fails to mention that this has already ruined Bill Madden’s Great Plan for Rebuilding the Yankees…who would have thought that Madden would get something like “what players the Yankees will acquire” wrong, after all, he’s shown such wisdom in recent years when writing about the team.

  114. Drive 4-5 November 10th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Tom & Patrick,

    Thanks guys. I should have read Pete’s post closer. It’s what I get for sneaking quick peaks while at work:)

  115. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    So what tell CC he can DH in the AL when he wants :lol:

  116. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    “Is Ian Kennedy… considered… a major leaguer?”

    Argh, brain overloading, can’t process snarky answers…

  117. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    “Now ESPN is throwing Ryan Sweeney and Brett Anderson’s names into the mix. If Colorado gets Anderson out of this, that’s a pretty great deal for them. Everyone fails to mention that this has already ruined Bill Madden’s Great Plan for Rebuilding the Yankees”

    Ryan Sweeney in RF …Brian get on this now !

  118. Drive 4-5 November 10th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Nick in SF
    November 10th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
    “Is Ian Kennedy… considered… a major leaguer?”

    Argh, brain overloading, can’t process snarky answers…

    Just think Nick, IPK is now considered to be as much of a major leaguer as CC :)

  119. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    JB Cox + Ian Kennedy for Ryan Sweeney

    (anyone have a problem w/ that ?)

  120. hurricane boy November 10th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    everyone take a look at nick’s racist joke about asians:


    Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Why the heck couldn’t Cashman get Holliday?!? The Rockies have a need for a sunglasses-wearing Japanese AAAA pitcher with a chipmunk grin.”

    please i ask you to stop with the racist jokes, nick

  121. rumor monger November 10th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    “JB Cox + Ian Kennedy for Ryan Sweeney”

    Yeah, probably Dan O’Dowd.

  122. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 10th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    **JB Cox + Ian Kennedy for Ryan Sweeney **

    or just Ian Kennedy. :)

  123. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Pats get ready for the JETS!) November 10th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Holliday to the A’s? what gives? Their rotation is awful they won’t win 80 games with Holliday.

  124. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 10th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Hurricane Boy,

    I’m asian, I found nothing racist about that comment. I even think Igawa does look like a chipmunk due to his facial expressions.

  125. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Pats get ready for the JETS!) November 10th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Ryan Sweeney is a 4th OF no need to trade for him.

  126. Patrick November 10th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    “please i ask you to stop with the racist jokes, nick”

    How is that racist? Kei Igawa does in fact have buck teeth.

  127. Patrick November 10th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    “Their rotation is awful”

    What? No its not, they have a lot of young and talented pitchers

  128. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 10th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    what-up, ya’ll

    am away for a while, only to find out Oakland has a Holliday.

    I hate when Oakland gets players we want. It have happened in the past (Dye, Damon)

  129. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    In Arizona, Russo is 0-4, jackson is 2-3 with a double and 2 runs scored, Miranda is 2-3 with a 2 run homer, through 5 inings.

  130. Laura - Ready for '09 November 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    This is totally off topic, but has anyone seen the pics of the dismantling of Shea? They didn’t waste any time. I think it will be hard for Yankees fans once the old stadium starts to look like that.

  131. rumor monger November 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    What, a 23 year old who just had his first taste of extended playing time in the majors is guaranteed a 4th OFer for his career? That’s not shortsighted at all.

  132. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    I plead not guilty, Hurricane Boy:

    http://cache.daylife.com/image.....K/610x.jpg

    And I invite you to visit my photo essay on Chien-ming Wang fans in Taiwan:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....451651434/

  133. Tom November 10th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    “Their rotation is awful”

    -A’s Rotation ERA: 4.29

    -Yankees: 4.58

  134. StandingO'Neill November 10th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    JB Cox + Ian Kennedy for Ryan Sweeney

    (anyone have a problem w/ that ?)

    I have a huge problem with that as a Yankee fan. As much as people seem to hate Kennedy, he’s 22, has dominated in the minors and has had a taste of success in the majors. Scouts still view him as a back of the rotation starter, which in today’s game can cost $8-10 million a year. JB Cox could be a solid reliever, which cost you around $3 million, maybe more.

    Then lets turn to Sweeney who in 115 games last year slugged .383 and was just about league average. I’ll pass and keep the guys who may have value in the future.

  135. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Pats get ready for the JETS!) November 10th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    ““Their rotation is awful”

    -A’s Rotation ERA: 4.29

    -Yankees: 4.58″

    Hence why we need 3 FA pitchers this off-season. I dunno what they are competing for the Angels are still winning that division and the wild card is coming out of the East. This is a pure strategy move by Beane Holliday is traded by next July.

  136. StandingO'Neill November 10th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    If a little luck goes their way and the Angles play closer to their expected win total (88 wins last season), then Oakland certainly could contend. Its a long shot, but at worst they get two first round picks for Holliday.

  137. Paulie November 10th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Dude looks exactly like a chipmunk, so I guess the racist part is is by saying he’s Japanese? Or maybe that he wears sunglasses? Or, is it just flame throwing? Because, the fact is, he is Japanese, does wear sunglasses, does freaking suck, and does, look like a chipmunk. So, I guess I’m a racist too, because I agree with Nick!!

  138. Paulie November 10th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Beane Holliday is traded by next July.
    ______________________________________

    I think Holliday never touches and A’s uniform. I think he’s traded by the end of the week. Not only is Beane anti-Boras, and has said so publicly, he’s also not stupid. He has something else worked out already – it’s the only was this makes any sense at all. Ever. Matt Holliday wont even get on the plane to Oakland.

  139. Nick in SF November 10th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    I submitted a photo of Igawa in my defense along with another link, but it’s “awaiting moderation”. So here’s the photo by itself:

    http://cache.daylife.com/image.....K/610x.jpg

    I plead not guilty and the defense rests.

  140. rumor monger November 10th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    They are competing because they are a baseball organization, and those types of organizations actually try to win games, believe it or not. Furthermore, they have the chips to land Holliday and Beane probably sees it as a no-lose situation, which it is: Holliday could come and rake in Oakland and the team might contend, since the Angels, regardless of your blinders, are not a sure thing to run away with their division next year, especially if they get outbid for Teixeira. Beane is being the aggressor–and if his team stinks next year regardless, he can either ship Holliday out if the right deal comes along or sit back and collect 2 picks when he signs a free agent deal before 2010.

  141. Paulie November 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Nick, dude looks just like Alvin, man. hahahaha. And, he kinda throws like someone with a chipmunk arm, so i think the comparison holds water quite well.

  142. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 10th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Nick, I know you didn’t meant any harm. it’s just idiots that like to get you in trouble.

  143. David Cone's Labrum November 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    I just want to know if the guy who recommended Igawa to Cash$ is still employed by the Yankees.

  144. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Girl: Jene Afterman

  145. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 10th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Be back later.

  146. David Cone's Labrum November 10th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Jean Afterman? Wow – thought I had read Pags was involved somehow?

    If some kid on Wall Street fat-fingers a trade and costs his company $30mm, he’s fired.

    Afterman cost the Yankees $50mm, and may have only received a tongue-lashing.

  147. Drive 4-5 November 10th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    The standard knee jerk reaction to anyone suggesting trading Ian Kennedy is overwhelmingly negative. It doesnt matter if the player the Yanks would be acquiring is Johan Santana (very good) or Ryan Sweeney (very average).

    As everyone reading knows, the key to trading prospects is to make the move while their trading value is at its peak. That peak period for Ian Kennedy may very well have been last year. At this point in time, the Yanks might as well hold on to him. Over the next 2 years he can either re-establish his value ( and perhaps be of value as a Yankee)or be traded for a bag of bats if his next forays into the majors are like his last 2.

  148. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Pats get ready for the JETS!) November 10th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Buster Olney says the Giants would make sense for CC. However they will not come close to our offer and their best offensive player is Randy Winn.

  149. Joe from Long Island November 10th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    It’s always difficult to divine what Billy Beane’s agenda is.

    I don’t think the As can be considered to be a contender next year, regardless of what the Angels do; if they are, it’s a surprise. And I wouldn’t expect Matt Holliday to put up Coors Fields numbers in that great expanse where the As play.

    He’s not going to sign Matt Holliday long term.

    Baseball draft picks are even more risky than NBA or NFL (Ryan Leaf, anybody?).

    The only thing that makes sense to me (for what it’s worth) is that Beane has another deal lined up already. Because once the season starts, the time that a prospective trading partner has to make use of Holliday decreases, and the longer he plays at McAfee Coliseum (or whatever they call that ballpark these days), the more his numbers can come down, decreasing his value.

    Does anyone else have any other ideas?

  150. Joe from Long Island November 10th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Jean Afterman is a business-type. I don’t think she has much input on baseball decisions other than the contract details.

    From what I remember reading on this blog, Mike Pagliarulo’s (sp?) rave reviews had a lot to do with Igawa’s signing. For what it’s worth.

  151. CB November 10th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    “Jean Afterman? Wow – thought I had read Pags was involved somehow?”

    It wasn’t Jean Afterman. She’s not a scout. She’s not even a major part of their talent evaluation.

    The people who recommended Igawa were the scouts who covered Asia for the Yankees. It was their recommendation that he be signed. That may have passed through Afterman but she’s not a major part of the talent evaluation process.

    I do believe Pags was involved with the talent evaluation portion of the yankees assessment of Igawa. They then fired his firm and thus the bad feelings towards the yankees and Cash by Pags.

    I don’t know why Jean Afterman keeps getting blamed for Igawa on this blog. If she had any role, it was likely marginal.

  152. Drive 4-5 November 10th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Joe from Long Island,

    Pag’s endorsement of Igawa is what cemented his mention on Sept 21 when they showed the montage of Yankee 3rd baseman.

  153. Drive 4-5 November 10th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    CB,

    As I recall, didnt most scout see Igawa as no better than a 5th starter in the majors? And werent most scouts unimpressed to begin with?

  154. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Pats get ready for the JETS!) November 10th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    I like what Jeter said about talking to CC. “Nobody has to sell this organization”. Hopefully CC is getting calls from all the Yanks, but Jete is certainly the most important.

  155. raymagnetic November 10th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    CB,

    Only Brandon insists that it’s Jean Afterman who scouted and recommended Igawa. Brandon may have read somewhere that Afterman recommended that Cashman add on 194 dollars to the bid in respect for Igawa’s strikout total the year before and now he’s convinced that Afterman is responsible and needs to be fired.

  156. CB November 10th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    “As I recall, didnt most scout see Igawa as no better than a 5th starter in the majors? ”

    Yes. But that’s what the yankees signed him to be – a 5th starter. They weren’t expecting anything else from him.

    Igawa was a much better pitcher in Japan than Hideki Kuroda was. All the yankees wanted out of Igawa is what Kuroda gave the Dodgers this year. Roughly that kind of performance.

    It obviously didn’t work out at all. But that was their thinking was. The talent evaluators say he’s a 4th/5th starter. We need a 4th/5th starter let’s sign him.

    Notice this year the yankees aren’t involved at all with biggin on Junichi Tazawa. I think they’re done with pitchers from Japan. Far too much risk involved for the money they’ve been getting.

  157. David Cone's Labrum November 10th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Trivia Question: Who started the “Jeter Dive Into the Stands” game for the Yanks?

  158. rumor monger November 10th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Brad Halsey.

  159. David Cone's Labrum November 10th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    RM – congrats – you win…well, nothing.

    Great call.

  160. Tom November 10th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    “Brandon, Jean Afterman doesn’t evaulate players. Re: Matsui, she got credit for establishing a relationship with the Yomiuri Giants, but not for determining his viability as a player. The point person in the Igawa scouting was Gordon Blakeley”

    It seems Ken Davidoff already debunked Brandon.

    http://blogs.trb.com/sports/ba.....nt-2532984

  161. Doreen November 10th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    CB -

    Amen to that, at least for now. Until there is a better way to evaluate the transition from Japan to the States for pitchers, which may never happen.

    It’s interesting to note that as good as Dice-K has been for Boston, he’s nowhere near what was advertised. I believe they thought of him as a #1, #2 starter. He is a solid #3, but gives you agita along the way. And where, by the way, is the gyro ball?

    I have never lambasted the Yankees over the Igawa signing. Sure, to say he disappointed is an understatement, but he disappointed as a back end guy, not a potential ace, and that means something to me, anyway.

    So, now that Holliday is probably going to the A’s, can we officially cross him off the spec list??????? Please? :)

  162. Glenn November 10th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    It’s not beyond Billy Beane to spin Holliday off in another move.
    Beane does little by the book.

  163. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Pats get ready for the JETS!) November 10th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Man, this is a slow time of year.

  164. Drive 4-5 November 10th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    I’m not trying to beat a dead horse, but spending $46mil on a pitcher who potentially could be a 4th or 5th starter is why other fans think the Yankees spend money like drunken sailors.

  165. RoGo November 10th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    I hope Cashman is not making decisions based on what “other fans think”….it was a mistake….we move on

  166. dave November 10th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Dave Robertson should’ve been in the Top 10.

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