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Old Stadium will stand until summer

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 11, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A few other tidbits from today’s press conference:

The old Yankee Stadium isn’t going anywhere until the summer. They’ll be clearing out the area near the bat soon to make room for a pedestrian walkway to the new ballpark. But demolition of the old ballpark won’t be “until midsummer” according to Lonn Trost.

Meanwhile, the Yankees and the city of New York still have yet to come an agreement on the sale of assorted crap memorabilia from the old Stadium. “We’re negotiating,” Trost said. “They have views and we have views. And they have attorneys and we have attorneys. We’ll get it done.”

I’m sure there are valid reasons for it. But why have the Mets already moved into Citi Field, started demolishing Shea and put their stuff up for sale?

 
 

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167 Responses to “Old Stadium will stand until summer”

  1. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets in first!) November 11th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Shea carries a lot less history than YS and perhaps the Yankees are just taking their time because of sentiment.

  2. Bobby November 11th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    because the Mets need a parking lot. Yankee Stadium’s becoming a park, therefore no rush.

  3. Tom November 11th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Why not Juan Miranda at firts base. He has killed RHP in the minors-.911 OPS for his career.

  4. mel November 11th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Because the Mets are getting fined by the EPA for each day that Shea remains standing.

    :P

  5. Ramon November 11th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Did I hear right?

    I caught the middle of the Olney interview with Kay, Olney said we are going to offer $40-50 million more than other teams?

    I have to listen to the podcast when it goes up, but thats what it sounded like.

  6. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets in first!) November 11th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    “Did I hear right?

    I caught the middle of the Olney interview with Kay, Olney said we are going to offer $40-50 million more than other teams?

    I have to listen to the podcast when it goes up, but thats what it sounded like.”

    You likely heard right Olney has been putting those figures out there since October. I think we need to be around 150-160 to get CC.

  7. NITRO November 11th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Tom,

    He can’t hit lefties, which was a huge problem for us last year. Even in the AFL he is hitting .167 against them.

    He also is apparently a subpar fielder according to those who have seen him play.

    He would be an excellent lefty bat off the bench though.

  8. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Yanks should hire Boras as their agent to negotiate with the city.

    First point of business will be Boras whittling down the list of potential suitors to “3 boroughs”

  9. CB November 11th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    One of the great things about baseball is the connection between old and new, between tradition and innovation and the cycles that bind them.

    I thought it was rather ironic, and sad that on the day Tim Lincecum won the Cy Young at age 24, Herb Score should die.

    The similarities between them are sort of eerie. Score was a lefty, but other than that there are a lot of echoes between them.

    Let’s hope things turn out better on the field for Lincecum than they did for Score.

    Score was a remarkable man. Never felt sorry for himself. Made the best out of being dealt a bad hand.

    Herb Score. What a monumental talent. Just enormous. I would have loved to see him pitch.

  10. Doreen November 11th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Pete -

    “They have attorneys, we have attorneys.” That about says it all. :lol:

    But I agree with the above poster; there’s a lot more history/sentiment attached to Yankee Stadium as opposed to Shea. I think most people can’t wait for Shea to be a figment of their imaginations (or a bad dream). It’s quite different at YS. After all, just read the roster of past players….

  11. Eddie in Yonkers November 11th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    I’m sure there are valid reasons for it. But why have the Mets already moved into Citi Field, started demolishing Shea and put their stuff up for sale?

    * * * * *
    The city is trying to clean up Flushing of junkyards and chop shops and demolishing Shea makes a major statement of how fast they want to proceed.

  12. 4 x 4 November 11th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    To be honest, I don’t care how much money we pay CC. $40-50 million more than other teams sounds absurd on the surface, but why would we worry about those things as fans?

    Let the Yankees worry about the precedent they are setting for future transactions. Hal is a smart man, he will work it out.

  13. S.o.S.27 November 11th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Tom,
    What i hear is his defense is suspect and therefore the reason why Cashman wants a real first baseman.

    40-50 mil more is ridiculous. I thought Boston over pays for players(Mr.Gyroball and Mr.dl in right). I hope if we over pay to get him and with Alex’s 10 contract we arent hurting come 5 years from now. I dont mind paying more than anyone. But bidding against ourselves has gotten us in trouble in the past(giambi).

  14. X-Mann November 11th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Ramon

    Olney and Heyman have been floating out numbers like that for a while. Though they used percentages before like 30-40% more than the 2nd highest team, but that translates into $40-50 million area anyway if the estimates are correct, so hes not really saying anything new.

  15. Patrick Bateman November 11th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    “But why have the Mets already moved into Citi Field, started demolishing Shea and put their stuff up for sale?”

    Probably because most of the stuff from Shea is headed to a Staten Island landfill.

  16. Tom November 11th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    NITRO, I am well aware of his ineptitude against LHP. It’s just that if the Yankees miss out on Teixeira, why not give him a shot….

    He could do better then some of the names thrown out around here….

  17. jennifer November 11th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Because Shea is a dump, and they want to force all the rats that inhabit Shea out.

  18. jennifer November 11th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    So even the city agrees with me, they consider Shea a junk yard. :lol:

  19. vinny-b (Hank Blalock for 1st base) November 11th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    “Because Shea is a dump, and they want to force all the rats that inhabit Shea out”

    lol.

  20. bru November 11th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Tom
    November 11th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
    NITRO, I am well aware of his ineptitude against LHP. It’s just that if the Yankees miss out on Teixeira, why not give him a shot….

    He could do better then some of the names thrown out around here
    ————————————————————

    he will get his at bats but from what i hear he is a little better than giambi defensively and he is terrible against lefties,probably won’t work.

    i think nick johnson might be worth a shot.

    he is 30 yrs old,great defensively,400 obp every year,good ops.

  21. RER - 98 November 11th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    CB :

    I saw Herb Score pitch and there’s no telling how many strikeout records he might have set. He threw harder than Bob Feller at that time and consistently near 100 MPH.
    He was never the same after the rocket shot to an eye off the bat of Gil McDougald and the fine Yankee 3rd baseman’s career went downhill also.

  22. Outlawz November 11th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    What does it say about how desperate they are for CC that $40-50 million more than other bidders is floating around?

    And doesn’t that basically tell you what the organization thinks of their team as presently constructed without CC and how important they feel he is to the franchise?

    Everyone is preaching not to say “we’re doomed” without CC, yet the Yankees are doing just that, if these reports are accurate about the absurd dollar figure they will go to to secure him and bid against themselves.

  23. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets in first!) November 11th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    I heard that our deal will be about 6 years 160 for CC but hey its not my money and with the amount of money this new stadium is bringing in next year they will be alright.

  24. mel November 11th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Outlawz,

    It says we’re desperate.

    It says we’re scared we’re going to be turned down, even in an auction situation.

  25. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    “Shea carries a lot less history than YS and perhaps the Yankees are just taking their time because of sentiment”

    Sentiment = Money ?

  26. Doreen November 11th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Outlawz -

    I think it’s not that simple.

    The Yankees right now have a pitching staff of two and a half pitchers: Wang, who is coming off a season-ending foot injury; Pettitte, who is at the tail end of his career; and Chamberlain, whose innings need to be watched. And this is common knowledge.

    Everyone knows the Yankees really could use CC, to say the least.

  27. Tom November 11th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Nick Johnson could be ok-if he were healthy. Is there any reason to believe he is?

  28. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    I don’t know why people keep saying “it’s not my money.” In the end, if you purchase tickets or merchandise, you are affected by the team’s revenues and profitability. I suppose if you’re a shut-in who only listens to the game on the radio, you may be largely unaffected.

    Don’t you think that the Yankees know they can purchase state-of-the-art stadium technology because their projected profits cover it? It’s a business folks, and we’re the consumers. It’s foolish to believe that a Steinbrenner trust fund is footing all the bills.

  29. CB November 11th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    RER,

    That must have been some experience seeing Score pitch (what an ironic name he had – Score – for a complete shut down arm…)

    The stories you read and hear about him are just jaw dropping. And the numbers from his first two years… just ridiculous. At that age to do what he did. And to do it when there were so few teams in the league and the level of competition was so high… Just an absolute otherworldly talent…

    Better stuff than Feller, better pitcher than Koufax, virtually unhittable…. Just unbelievable. The descriptions of that fastball… He held that rookie strike out record for a long time.

    I read a great story about him in an obit today. In ’57 the Red Sox offered to buy him from the Indians for $1 million. At the time teams were selling for $3-4 million. Unimaginable. And the Indians never considered it! They said they wouldn’t have given him up for $2m!!

    And to then get hit in the eye like that. What a tough break. A once in a lifetime talent like that one day and finished the next.

    But he never felt sorry for himself and made it into the Hall of Fame as a broadcaster. Remarkable life story.

    Question – from what I understand he used to turn his back to the plate (which may have been partly why McDougald’s liner hit him?). Was his turning away from the plate at all like Lincecum? Less pronounced?

    The way Lincecum blew onto the scene last year and this year made me think of Doc Gooden and Score. I thought it was very ironic for him to get the Cy Young today so young on the same day score died.

  30. bru November 11th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    nj name has come up recently.

    he has to become healthy soon i would think.he has been rehabbing.

    don’t know if he is ready yet.

  31. mel November 11th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Doreen,

    Have you seen the next year’s FA class? It’s putrid.

    That’s why I support going after CC and AJ.

    However, paying the kind of premiums that have been floated by Olney & Heyman is not smart business IMO.

  32. Doreen November 11th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    I used to watch the Mets when Doc Gooden first came up, and Ralph Kiner was always comparing Gooden to Score, I guess in terms of having dominating stuff at such a young age. I had forgotten the tragic part of his story.

  33. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    I’ll agree with some of the other posters on CC. A rotation of Wang, Joba, Pettitte and whomever else allows us to edge out Baltimore for fourth place next season. No CC means no chance at playoffs in ’09. This rotation is currently as solid as swiss cheese. Even CC alone probably won’t be enough.

  34. E-Man November 11th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    “I’m sure there are valid reasons for it. But why have the Mets already moved into Citi Field, started demolishing Shea and put their stuff up for sale? ”

    It’s Shea stadium. I’d want to get out of that dump as fast as possible too.

  35. S.o.S.27 November 11th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    ZMANN,
    I was joking earlier about $20 hot dogs and extra charge for ketsup or mustard. I guess if we want him bad enough. We will buy the $20 hot dogs and enjoy watching him pitch. And for some of us watching on t.v. We will never know the difference.

  36. Tom November 11th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    BRU-
    “Nick Johnson still isn’t fully recovered from surgery to repair a torn tendon sheath in his wrist, but he expects to be ready for spring training.”

    http://www.rotoworld.com/conte.....38;id=2957

  37. Doreen November 11th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    mel -

    I hadn’t looked at next year’s FAs yet. I suppose if it’s really bad, they have no choice but to go after what they can this year. I was not all that enamored of CC, but when you take a look at what the Yankees have in the system, and the uncertainty of it, there really is no choice. Burnett scares me because of his health history, but if he truly has turned things around, I think he will do well with the Yankees. I think the reason he did so well against them was the intensity of the games between them and the Jays. Well, maybe, anyway. I’m also not crazy about Lowe. But that’s who is out there.

    I agree it’s not good business to have to out-bid your competition by so much, but what choice do they have? Their situation is widely known and it is being used as leverage. In addition to that, you have all those rumors saying how CC “likes to hit,” “likes the NL,” and/or “prefers to play on the west coast.” It stinks, but it’s not of the Yankees’ making. It is what it is. And frankly, the Yankees can’t afford not to make as high an offer as they can afford to make. If he turns them down, so be it – from a PR point of view, they won’t be able to be accused of being penny wise and pound foolish (no pun intended).

  38. bru November 11th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    mel
    November 11th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
    Doreen,

    Have you seen the next year’s FA class? It’s putrid.

    That’s why I support going after CC and AJ.

    However, paying the kind of premiums that have been floated by Olney & Heyman is not smart business IMO.

    ————————————————————

    make up yer mind mel.do we go after cc or aj or not.

    they aren’t gonna feel sorry for us and take less money.

    it is funny how you kill me because of my ideas and you suggest giving them both 43 million dollars a year combined for several years and fail to realize that those trades almost never work.

    maybe signing cc alone but both is insane.

    you just said that you support a bad business decision.

  39. S.o.S.27 November 11th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    CB and RER,
    This might be a dumb question. But here it is. Did Score try to pitch with one eye? Does it effect your pitches that much? I never pitched with an eye closed. So i wouldnt know.

  40. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 11th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    bru,

    Nick Johnson is at best a bench player at this moment. He’s a bench player until he’s proven 100% healthy. I would welcome him back, and reissue #36 to him. Now that Bowden as Willingham as his new 1B,I think Bowden would sell cheap on him. Since Bowden hates the Yankes, he might ask for a king’s ransom.

  41. you gotta have faith (MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) (bring back the real robinson cano!) November 11th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    ZMAN,

    4th place? ouch, thats a bit harsh no? thrid place is wayyyyy more dignified. lol :/

  42. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Mel-

    The 2010 FA class is not that putrid!! Look at 2nd base and OF!

    2010 Free Agents
    The following players have contracts expiring or should have the six years of service necessary to become free agents after the 2009 season.

    * – player whose contract includes 2010 option

    Player Club
    First Basemen
    Carlos Delgado NYM
    Jason Giambi NYY
    Ross Gload * KC
    Wes Helms FLA
    Aubrey Huff BAL
    Nick Johnson WAS
    Adam LaRoche PIT
    Robb Quinlan LAA
    Matt Stairs TOR

    Second Basemen
    Marlon Anderson NYM
    Ron Belliard WAS
    Jamey Carroll CLE
    Jose Castillo SF
    Mark DeRosa CHC
    Adam Kennedy STL
    Omar Infante ATL
    Aaron Miles STL
    Pablo Ozuna LAD
    Placido Polanco DET
    Brian Roberts BAL
    Freddy Sanchez * PIT
    Jose Vidro SEA

    Shortstops
    Craig Counsell MIL
    Bobby Crosby OAK
    Alex Gonzalez * CIN
    Khalil Greene SD
    John McDonald TOR
    Edgar Renteria DET
    Marco Scutaro TOR
    Miguel Tejada HOU
    Jack Wilson * PIT

    Third Basemen
    Adrian Beltre SEA
    Hank Blalock TEX
    Geoff Blum HOU
    Craig Counsell MIL
    Pedro Feliz * PHI
    Chone Figgins LAA
    Chipper Jones ATL
    Mike Lamb * MIN
    Melvin Mora * BAL
    Chad Tracy ARZ
    Ty Wiggington HOU

    Catchers
    Josh Bard SD
    Henry Blanco CHC
    Ramon Castro NYM
    Toby Hall CWS
    Ramon Hernandez * BAL
    Jason Kendall MIL
    Victor Martinez * CLE
    Benji Molina SF
    Jose Molina NYY
    Miguel Olivo KC
    Mike Redmond MIN
    David Ross CIN
    Brian Schneider NYM
    Yorvit Torrealba * COL
    Gregg Zaun TOR

    Outfielders
    Garret Anderson LAA
    Rick Ankiel STL
    Jason Bay BOS
    Marlon Byrd TEX
    Frank Catalanotto TEX
    Endy Chavez NYM
    Coco Crisp * BOS
    Carl Crawford TB
    Johnny Damon NYY
    David Dellucci CLE
    Jermaine Dye * CWS
    Ryan Freel CIN
    Brian Giles SD
    Ken Griffey Jr. CWS
    Vladimir Guerrero LAA
    Willie Harris WAS
    Matt Holliday COL
    Geoff Jenkins * PHI
    Reed Johnson CHC
    Andruw Jones LAD
    Austin Kearns * WAS
    Hideki Matusi NYY
    Jason Michaels CLE
    Xavier Nady NYY
    Magglio Ordonez * DET
    Manny Ramirez LAD
    Dave Roberts SF
    Gary Sheffield DET
    Chris Snelling PHI
    So Taguchi PHI
    Jason Werth PHI
    Randy Winn SF
    Dmitri Young WAS

    Starting Pitchers
    Brandon Backe HOU
    Miguel Batista SEA
    Josh Beckett * BOS
    Erik Bedard SEA
    Chris Capuano MIL
    Jose Contreras CWS
    Doug Davis ARZ
    Justin Duchscherer OAK
    Adam Eaton * PHI
    Kelvim Escobar LAA
    Mike Hampton ATL
    Rich Harden CHC
    Tim Hudson * ATL
    John Lackey LAA
    Cliff Lee * CLE
    Jason Marquis CHC
    Mark Mulder STL
    Brett Myers PHI
    Vicente Padilla * TEX
    Brad Penny LAD
    Joel Pineiro STL
    Jason Schmidt LAD
    John Smoltz * ATL
    Claudio Vargas NYM
    Jarrod Washburn SEA
    Brandon Webb * ARZ
    Todd Wellemeyer STL

    Relief Pitchers
    Danys Baez BAL
    Joaquin Benoit TEX
    Rafael Betancourt * CLE
    Chad Bradford BAL
    Doug Brocail HOU
    Kiko Calero OAK
    Jesus Colome WAS
    Chad Cordero WAS
    Randy Choate MIL
    Octavio Dotel CWS
    Gary Glover TB
    Mike Gonzalez ATL
    Tom Gordon PHI
    John Grabow PIT
    Kevin Gregg FLA
    Matt Herges COL
    Masahide Kobayashi * CLE
    Mike MacDougal * CWS
    Ryan Madson PHI
    Damaso Marte NYY
    Ron Mahay KC
    Hideki Okajima BOS
    Troy Percival TB
    J.J. Putz * SEA
    Fernando Rodney DET
    Duaner Sanchez NYM
    Scott Schoeneweis NYM
    Rafael Soriano ATL
    Mike Stanton CIN
    Matt Thornton * CWS
    Salomon Torres MIL
    Jose Valverde HOU
    Oscar Villarreal * HOU
    Luis Vizcaino * COL
    Billy Wagner * NYM
    Jamie Walker BAL

  43. MoBoy November 11th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Pete:

    To answer your question is that Shea stadium is a piece of crap and Yankee stadium is the most traditional stadium in baseball.

  44. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    “It stinks, but it’s not of the Yankees’ making.”

    Doreen — I think the desperation to acquire CC is almost entirely due to decisions the Yankees made or did not make regarding the staff. Cashman has fumbled many decisions regarding pitching, and the current predicament is his doing (along with others in senior mgmt).

  45. bru November 11th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    make up yer mind mel.do we go after cc or aj or not
    make up yer mind mel.do we go after cc and aj or not

  46. CB November 11th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Doreen,

    Kiner was always comparing Gooden to Score. I remember that.

    Hard to believe both Gooden and Score’s careers turned out the way they did. Very different reasons. But their playing days ended in ways few could have predicted.

    As a rookie in 1956, Score threw a 2 hit shut out against a legendary Yankee team, striking out 11 in the process. That was a team with Mantle, Berra, Bauer, Howard, … Just a legendary team. Score was 22 at the time.

  47. mel November 11th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Doreen,

    It is what it is, I suppose.

    As long as we get one of the two, we’ll be alright.

    Just give me players who want to be here and play for the Yankees.

    A healthy Joba and Wang would be two pluses over last season right off the bat.

    lol @ your comment in the last thread. Some things are just better left unsaid, you know?

  48. RayMagnetic November 11th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Nick Johnson has an excellent bat when he’s healthy, the question is will he ever be healthy?

    He’s never played a full season in the majors and he’s been up in the majors since ’03.

    He also has a bad back. If they could get him for cheap maybe I look at him, but he’s a tremendous gamble at this point.

  49. S.o.S.27 November 11th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    If we over pay for C.C. and he gets off to a slow start as he did this year. How will Yankee fans react? Scary thought.

  50. CB November 11th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    “Did Score try to pitch with one eye? ”

    S.o.S,

    Score regained vision in his eye. For a while they were worried he might go blind in the eye. But he regained vision and got back on the mound.

    The next season however, he developed elbow pain and got shut down. Was never the same.

    Score always said it was the elbow more than the eye that led to his problems. But that’s tough to say. Other players at that time said Score changed his mechanics after the accident (didn’t come to the plate the same way) and that very well may have caused him to lose velocity and hurt his elbow.

  51. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    I also think we’re kidding our collective selves to assume that Joba will step into the rotation and offer both health and consistency. He’s also somewhat of a question mark, in my opinion. Of course, the Yankees have no choice but to count on him, which only further underscores the woeful state of the rotation.

  52. mel November 11th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    YT,

    I meant the FA pitching class!

  53. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    No Nick Johnson, please. He’s about as durable as paper mache. Don Zimmer is a healthier specimen.

  54. mel November 11th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    bru,

    Been meaning to apologize. I didn’t say you were crazy. I said your crazy scenarios were entertaining. Sincerely meant it in the nicest way possible.

    Forgiven?

  55. bru November 11th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    the yankees have 2 pitchers and need 3 more.

    if moose retires they are very lucky pettitte is waiting around because he knows the yankees will overpay.

    3 pitchers in the fa market is going to be very expensive.

  56. Ed - looking forward to 2009 November 11th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Ray,

    Agreed. I have to blame the Mets for causing a collision between Kerns and Johnson. Johnson was going to play a full season up until the last week of the season, where he got injuried. After that, he was never the same. I would still take Johnson as a bench player. If he’s 100% healthly between now and 2010, he could very well become our new DH when Matsui retires.

  57. bru November 11th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    mel
    November 11th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
    bru,

    Been meaning to apologize. I didn’t say you were crazy. I said your crazy scenarios were entertaining. Sincerely meant it in the nicest way possible.

    Forgiven?

    ————————————————————
    absolutely.

  58. dave November 11th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    why demolish the stadium in the middle of the summer? Do they realize they have to play during the summer and fans have to come to the stadium during the summer and traffic is already horrendous but adding a demolition right next store prolly will just add to all the horrific traffic we already have to look forward to? They have an entire off season, the summer makes zero sense but i guess alot of things the yankees do dont make a whole lot of sense.

    I love the 2010 free agent post asking us to look at all the great free agents there are next off season. I feel like someone did that everyday last off season as well. i DUNNO what that is supposed to prove? That we dont need to sign good players cuz the free agents look better next yr. Alot of those players had options this yr that were declined and alot of those players have options next yr that will be taken. That list wont look nearly as good this time next yr. Notice how giambi is on that list – he wont be next yr unless he signs a one yr deal. Also, vlad was on this yrs list last yr but they took his option. Those posts are pointless and meaningless right now – who cares who the free agents r next yr unless it is likely that we get one of them through a trade?

  59. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Bru — it’s another sorry commentary on the state of Yankee starting pitching that they actually might need Pettitte. I’m almost embarrassed by this. In most other years, Andy would be invited back as a coach only.

  60. Doreen November 11th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    mel -

    Regarding ARod/Madonna – TMI – too much info. :)

    I agree; just having a healthy CMW and Joba makes huge difference.

    ZMAN7777-

    If you go back to past decisions, then, yes, the situation certainly has to do with things the Yankees did and didn’t do, specifically, trading prospects and paying a lot of money for Santana. Timing is everything, and the timing on that one was off. It’s all Johan’s fault, actually, for not testing the FA market!!!!

    CB -

    Doc’s tragedy was of his own making, though. But sad nonetheless. Maybe more so, because he ultimately could have controlled his destiny, whereas Score’s fate was settled in a split second. Although, to contradict myself, when I see my daughter and her friends in their early 20′s, and some of the things they are going through, I can’t even imagine how insecure Gooden must have been (with far too much money and freedom).

  61. bru November 11th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    ZMAN7777
    November 11th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
    Bru—it’s another sorry commentary on the state of Yankee starting pitching that they actually might need Pettitte. I’m almost embarrassed by this. In most other years, Andy would be invited back as a coach only.

    ————————————————————

    i agree but i am an optimist.i always believe we can pull out a miracle trade.

    we probably can’t but i always think it is possible.

    sign cc and maybe put a nice package together for a pitcher.

    i also think moose will be back.he is taking way too long to decide.

  62. CB November 11th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Doreen,

    Doc’s – as he says himself – brought it on himself. He’s the one responsible for wasting what he had.

    But to be that young in NY and unfortunately to wind up on that Mets team with the absolutely lousy group of guys they had was unfortunate.

    That was a terrible club house for him to wind up in. But it was his responsibility.

    19 is so young though… Even now it’s hard to believe what he did. 19 in NY…

    As a yankee fan I couldn’t stand the mets. But as a baseball fan watching Doc pitch that year was electrifying. That curveball…

  63. bru November 11th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    things can turn around quickly.

    we sign sabathia,mussina signs a one year contract now we have a rotation of

    sabathia
    wang
    mussina
    ????
    joba

    not unrealistic.

  64. S.o.S.27 November 11th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    mel,
    While your in an apoligetic mood. You have called me crazy,stupid,dumb,idiotic,self centered,i cant remember what else. At some time in the past 2 years. Im waiting.

    Thanks CB. Interesting stuff. Im going to look him up.

  65. CB November 11th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    s.o.s,

    Great obituary on Score:

    http://www.cleveland.com/sport.....r_her.html

  66. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Wow, Mel sounds about as appealing as Glenn Close’s character in Fatal Attraction! LOL

  67. [Code X] November 11th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Joba is going to throw about 130 innings next year and will be frequently skipped. They will baby him to death– 5 innings a start, no more than 95 pitches etc. He has also that injury cloud hanging over his head. He had shoulder problems on 2 separate occasions last year last year. He has medical red flags dating back to college.

    Counting on him to be anything more than a #5 starter is a mistake. He may be an ace in terms of his ability, but he isin’t going to help the team like an ‘ace’ is counted upon to do so.

    Saying Wang and Joba are at the top of the rotation as a way to rationalize missing out on CC is taking the easy way out and thinking provincially. We can’t force him to come here but lets not act like everything is peachy if we miss out on CC, we were a 3rd place team this year. (and please lets not use the injury excuse, every team has them).

  68. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    And while I’m on the topic, who names their daughter Glenn? It’s not some androgynous name like Chris or Kelly.

  69. S.o.S.27 November 11th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Question
    Why would a 20 game winner sign a 1 yr. contract with us when he can get a 3 year deal with possibly Phili or Balt? And if we have to give him a multi year deal. Is it worth the risk? Which Moose will show up. The 07 or 08 version?

  70. bru November 11th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    [Code X]
    November 11th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
    Joba is going to throw about 130 innings next year and will be frequently skipped. They will baby him to death—5 innings a start, no more than 95 pitches etc. He has also that injury cloud hanging over his head. He had shoulder problems on 2 separate occasions last year last year. He has medical red flags dating back to college.

    Counting on him to be anything more than a #5 starter is a mistake. He may be an ace in terms of his ability, but he isin’t going to help the team like an ‘ace’ is counted upon to do so.

    Saying Wang and Joba are at the top of the rotation as a way to rationalize missing out on CC is taking the easy way out and thinking provincially. We can’t force him to come here but lets not act like everything is peachy if we miss out on CC, we were a 3rd place team this year. (and please lets not use the injury excuse, every team has them).

    ————————————————————

    good point and right on the button.

    as one person said,it was heyman,olney or one of them on wfan.

    the yankees right now have 1 1/2 pitchers.

  71. mel November 11th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    SoS,

    The only thing I said was that you can’t spell to save your life. :)

  72. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Code X: Agreed. And Pettitte is a #6 starter on teams with top-notch staffs.

  73. bru November 11th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    hopefully the 08 version.

  74. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Seven luxury boxes down the foul lines priced at $600,000 remain available for the 2009 season, the first at the new Yankee Stadium. The team still had seven available in August, too.

    “There’s no getting away from the fact that the world is different than it was, so traffic slows,” chief operating officer Lonn Trost said Tuesday. “So you don’t have 10 people banging on the door. You may only have two people.”

    Trost said in August that 44 of 51 suites priced at $600,000 to $850,000 had been committed, and that the $650,000 and $850,000 suites had sold out.

    “We’re entertaining proposals from different folks,” he said. “I’m not going to put them into the sold column until somebody sends me an e-mail and says, `Done.’ It’s so hard to say close when you get attorneys involved and you start fighting over terms, and we don’t want to change terms.”

    He said in August that 3,500 of the 4,300 premium seats had been sold, including the $500-$2,500 per-game tickets near home plate in the first nine rows of 25 sections ringing home plate.

    Maybe the luxury tax should be suspended, until the economy turns around. 40% over 162 million for 40 on your active roster! Let’s see 160M for 6 years of Sabathia is 224 million in Yankee dollars, with unsold skyboxes and seats, therefore loss of concession revenues.

  75. no.27 November 11th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Which top notch staff would Pettitte be a #6 starter?

  76. you gotta have faith (MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) (bring back the real robinson cano!) November 11th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    “Why would a 20 game winner sign a 1 yr. contract with us when he can get a 3 year deal with possibly Phili or Balt?”

    moose said outright that he has absolutely no desire or liking for the NL, as for balt, who knows maybe he would maybe not

    as much as people are so sure that they know what hes going to do the reality no one knows.

  77. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Yanks have 26 mil coming off in 2010 (Matsui-Damon)

    Also Molina 2 mil?

    Nady ….

    Nothing else notable.

    Bottom line is they have more questions than answers over these next 2 seasons.

  78. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Exhibit G of how sad the Yankees starting staff is: People hoping that Mussina won’t retire. I feel like the Native American in that old anti-littering commercial. A year ago, Mussina was a washed-up old man; now he’s a 39-year-old riding a white stallion. Wow, have things gone awry!

  79. no.27 November 11th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    The Yankees can sign CC, Teixeira, and resign Pettitte and have a payroll under $185 million with $40 million freed up the following year.

  80. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption November 11th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    I would love to see the staff that Pettite would be a #6 on. That’s a funny joke.

  81. mel November 11th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    bru,

    Yes. I meant to sign both CC and AJ to good, but sane contracts. To use Cashman’s words, show some love. But not obsession to use ZMAN’s example. In a perfect world, CC would be no more than $22M AAV and AJ no more than $15.

    Why both? Next year’s FA class looks bad. Trading for a top tier pitcher will be costly.

    A core of CC, AJ, and Wang (#3 pitcher!) would be good for years to come. Pettitte for another year while Joba gets innings, Hughes hones his craft, and Brackman actually pitches.

    I’m not thrilled with the prospect of a 7 yr. contract for CC.

    Just give me 6-7 solid pitchers to work with in ’09. That’s all. :)

  82. yanksince57-is this 1959 or is it 1965? November 11th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    off topic, but in 50+ years of watching the yankees i don’t recall ever seeing a fatter looking player than prince fielder, EVER!

  83. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    “Which top notch staff would Pettitte be a #6 starter?”

    Sadly, and I wish this weren’t the case, I’m not sure Pettitte would crack the starting 5 in Boston. If Masterson were made a starter, I don’t think Pettitte makes the cut.

  84. [Code X] November 11th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    The only other team that Moose may go to is Philly– close to home, a contender that won the WS, and has the offense/bullpen needed for him to accumulate wins.

    But I don’t think they give him a 3 yr deal. I’m not sure what team that meets Moose’s criteria will. If he is willing to go to a bad team and/or be far away from PA, then he’ll have suitors.

  85. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    “Why would a 20 game winner sign a 1 yr. contract with us when he can get a 3 year deal with possibly Phili or Balt?”

    Well, because he wants to go into the HOF as a Yankee?
    Because he wants to pitch to Molina?
    Because he only wants to pitch in the new stadium, and not in a hitter friendly park?

    Anyway, if he declares FA offer him arbitration and take the picks if he moves on. He had a terrific year after everyone thought he was finished. Still only good for 6 innings, putting a strain on the bullpen.

  86. Patrick November 11th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    The Yankees have no rotation now but the great thing about this offseason is there are a lot of good starting pitchers available. Pettitte is virtually a lock to return as the fourth starter. Then the Yankees have their choice of Sabathia, Lowe, Sheets, Burnett, Penny, Dempster to fill the last two spots.

    ZMAN, I think you are being too pessimistic here. Pettitte throws 200 innings a season and even though his ending numbers were bad last season, through July he was pretty darn good. Its pretty obvious some shoulder problems hurt him a lot last year. If he is over those problems I can see him coming back and giving us another 200 innings at around a 4.00 ERA. That’s extremely good production from your fourth starter.

  87. harwood November 11th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    “Sadly, and I wish this weren’t the case, I’m not sure Pettitte would crack the starting 5 in Boston. If Masterson were made a starter, I don’t think Pettitte makes the cut.”

    I’ll have what he’s having!

  88. dave November 11th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    sheets when healthy is just clearly better than burnett or lowe. Its really more of a matter of health than stuff.

  89. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    “Maybe the luxury tax should be suspended, until the economy turns around”

    Here’s what MLB would say to that:

    To Quote the great warrior poet ARod;

    “Hah!”

    Yankees already got the last tax break they’re going to see for quite some time.(eternity)

    It’s hard to cry poorhouse when you just spent 1.3 bil on a new stadium and your payroll has been over 200 mil for the last half decade. No?

  90. dave November 11th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    patrick, i hope ur right. Seems tough to say the yanks have their choice of the cream of the crop.

  91. RER - 98 November 11th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    CB :
    Score always said it was the elbow more than the eye that led to his problems. But that’s tough to say. Other players at that time said Score changed his mechanics after the accident (didn’t come to the plate the same way) and that very well may have caused him to lose velocity and hurt his elbow.

    I recall Score coming straight over the top with his motion which suggests that he would face the hitter when finishing his pitches.
    After Cleveland released him he had a brief career with the White Sox and the one time I saw him pitch with them, it was clear that he altered his motion and mechanics and lost velocity in the process. Still in the 90′s but nowhere near the same movement of his pitches.
    It’s hard to imagine the near zero reaction time he had from Gil McDougald’s bat. I can still envision the old film clips of the incident.

  92. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption November 11th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Yeah well the problem with citing the Sox rotation is that Pettite is better than Wakefield and Masterson could be the next Buccholz/Hughes/Kennedy in the rotation, who knows. And Paul Byrd was in their rotation. Pettite is better than Byrd.

  93. ZMAN7777 November 11th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Patrick — what if he’s not over those problems? Also, Pettitte had a penchant even early last season for allowing one big inning. They probably have no choice but to sign him; I’m just not a big fan of the older Andy.

  94. no.27 November 11th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Z Man –

    I’d take Pettitte over Masterson or Wakefield. He had a bad second half because of shoulder problems that he would have sit out for if Wang or Joba weren’t injured and his offseason workouts being screwed up by Roger Clemens.

    Bronx Jeers –

    If the Yankees resigned Pettitte to a 1 year for $10 million he’d be a free agent next season. Nady’s $4 million also comes off the pay roll.

  95. Patrick November 11th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    If Joba stays healthy theres no way he pitches only 130 innings. He will get up to around 150 which is perfect considering he’ll be the fifth starter. Most fifth starters only get that many anyways.

  96. TurnTables November 11th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Cashman himself said he plans on getting 2 starting pitchers in this FA market.

    Does he count Pettitte as a FA though?

    Or does he mean 2 out of the CC, AJ, Lowe, Sheets, Perez, Dempster pack?

  97. no.27 November 11th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Hopefully he is including Pettitte as a free agent because AJ, Lowe, Sheets, Perez, and Dempster are all bad bets.

  98. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    “It’s hard to cry poorhouse when you just spent 1.3 bil on a new stadium and your payroll has been over 200 mil for the last half decade. No?”

    Luckily they brought in more than they spent, while enabling the Rays, Rockies, Marlins, Diamondbacks to go to the World Series.

    Then there’s AIG. Don’t see the government bailing out the nations favorite pastime.

  99. Patrick November 11th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    “Patrick—what if he’s not over those problems?”

    Then the Yankees don’t sign him…

    “Seems tough to say the yanks have their choice of the cream of the crop”

    I never said that. I said that those guys are available. Considering that most free agents sign with the team that offers the most money I’d say the Yankees have the inside track on pretty much anyone they want.

    If the Yankees sign CC and Lowe the rotation becomes one of the best in the league.

  100. TurnTables November 11th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Patrick -

    Agree. He should be the #5. People are crazy for penciling him in as our “ace” though.

  101. CB November 11th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Andy had a tough year – he tried to pitch through a sore shoulder and it didn’t work.

    The only reason he didn’t go on the DL was because the rotation was so decimated to begin with after Wang went down.

    That said, he pitched much better than people are giving him credit for.

    Look at Pettitte’s peripherals from 2008 and 2007. They are almost identical. The biggest negative between Pettite 2008 and 2007 is that he gave up more home runs in 2008. Other than that his performance was very similar.

    And part of why Pettitte’s ERA looks so bad in 2008 is because the yankees defense did a horrendous job for Andy in 2008.

    If you adjust for the yankee’s defense, Pettite’s ERA in 2007 would have been 3.87. His defense adjusted ERA in 2008 – 3.71.

    He pitched much better than it appeared he did, even fighting through the shoulder injury.

    Pettite did a tremendous job inducing ground balls last year – 52% ground balls. Only 28% fly balls. For comparison, Wang’s ground ball rate was 55%.

    Unfortunately for Andy, a disproportionate number of those ground balls got through the yankee infield for hits. I have a feeling Cano’s awful defensive year this year hurt Andy considerably. Left handed hitters often wind up trying to pull his cutter and the ball tends to go to the right side of the infield. Giambi and Cano were one of baseball’s worst right sided defenses this year.

    That is unlikely to happen to such a degree two years in a row. Part of it is bad defense, part of it is bad random luck.

    Andy will be much better in 2009 as long as he’s healthy.

  102. mel November 11th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Maybe they sell cheap seats in old Yankee Stadium. People can watch the games via video.

    It is kind of cool to have the two stadiums stand side-by-side for a while until the old gasps its last breath.

  103. CB November 11th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    RER,

    Thanks. That’s an interesting observation on Score’s mechanics.

  104. Nick in SF November 11th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    “Because Shea is a dump, and they want to force all the rats that inhabit Shea out.”

    Hasn’t Billy Wagner been gone for a few months already?

  105. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption November 11th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Yeah I agree Mel. With season tickets costing 600k a year maybe I can get season tickets for the parking lot somewhere nearer to 10k a year and listen to the games.

  106. Bronx Jeers November 11th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    I believe the Yankees as a baseball operation has been losing money for a few years. The Yankees plus the YES network makes money. They share revenues, not profits.

    The new stadium helps them in this regard as they’re allowed to deduct a percentage of the costs over several years(maybe even a decade) from their yearly revenue which lowers their payment. The new Stadium is like a giant tax deduction with MLB being the IRS.

  107. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    CB-
    OK you’ve sold me on Pettitte. An incentive contract?

    Still need two more quality starters to contend in the AL East. If Burnett can put up identical numbers as 2008, and gets 4 starts against Tampa and Boston, two teams he pitched well against, he should be good for another 18 or more wins.

  108. Yankee Trader November 11th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    “Yeah I agree Mel. With season tickets costing 600k a year maybe I can get season tickets for the parking lot somewhere nearer to 10k a year and listen to the games.”

    Why don’t you just go to Circuit City before they close their stores and get a big plasma TV and surround sound, and pocket the change, or use the difference to entertain your friends!!

  109. CB November 11th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    “OK you’ve sold me on Pettitte. An incentive contract?”

    There’s no particular reason to quibble on money with Andy.

    He threw 200 innings last year, fighting through shoulder pain that should have put him on the DL. No one has ever questioned his effort or durability.

    There’s no reason to make his deal incentive based. He’s already said he’ll take a one year deal. Just pay him. He’s not going to expect/ demand $16M. $12M, $14M whatever. Doesn’t matter.

    He’ll be back next year, IMO and will likely pitch well.

    I think CC will be in pinstripes. Not guaranteed but that’s what I’d guess.

    Who that third pitcher besides CC and Andy should be and will be I really don’t have a strong feeling on right now.

  110. bigjf November 11th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    “I’m sure there are valid reasons for it. But why have the Mets already moved into Citi Field, started demolishing Shea and put their stuff up for sale?”

    Shea’s memorabilia isn’t going to net nearly the amount of money YS memorabilia will. Larger figures = longer negotiation.

  111. murphydog November 11th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    “I’m sure there are valid reasons for it. But why have the Mets already moved into Citi Field, started demolishing Shea and put their stuff up for sale?”

    What’s the rush? With most Yankee home games at night, especially by mid season, they’ll do demo during the day and/or when the team is out of town. Shouldn’t be too bad. (Famous last words).

  112. Nick in SF November 11th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    This is still what I want:

    1. CC
    2. Wang
    3. Mussina
    4. Pettitte
    5. Joba & friends

  113. S.o.S.27 November 11th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    “SoS,

    The only thing I said was that you can’t spell to save your life.”

    mel,
    Can eye git da wurd n a senince pleez? Orgin? Apoligee xcepted.

    CB,
    Thanks for the link. Good stuff. I guess the best/HOF players needed luck on their side. Im sure their are many stories of potential Jordans/Babes/Gibsons out there that didnt have the ball bounce their way.

  114. dave November 11th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    i dont like this whole Lowe bandwagon – when did Lowe become one of the best free agents in the market? Last season, he was terrific especially at the end. But that is the NL West and he was god awful in his last two yrs in the AL. All of a sudden he is going to come back and dominate the AL competition? The same hitters he couldnt get out for his life a couple of yrs ago. Im sorry but Lowe isnt nearly as talented as either sheets or burnett. First, he is much much older. Second, he has never been in the same league as those two. They have far superior stuff. And it seems like all three of them are asking for a large contract. Seems to me, Lowe would be the worst choice for us. I would not be happy with Lowe as our number three starter. If the yanks a=have their pick based purely on offering the most money they should take CC and Sheets or Burnett NOT LOWE.

  115. yea November 11th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    They are keeping up the original stadium in case the new one or citi field is not ready for the opening of the season due to construction delays.

  116. Patrick November 11th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    “This is still what I want:

    1. CC
    2. Wang
    3. Mussina
    4. Pettitte
    5. Joba & friends ”

    I agree Nick.

    Moose and Pettitte would cost somewhere between 10 and 15 million but would only be locked up for a year. That offers a ton of flexibility for the future. Also they are still damn good pitchers and can throw 180-200 innings.

  117. Rand McNally November 11th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Mileage:
    Montoursville, Pennsylvania to Citizens Bank Ballpark Philadelphia, PA 186 miles
    3 hours 10 minutes
    Montoursville, Pennsylvania to Camden Yards,
    Baltimore,MD 178
    3 hours 25 minutes
    Montoursville, Pennsylvania to 161st Street and River Avenue
    New York, NY 197
    3 hours 20 minutes

    I don’t think “being close to home” is a valid argument

  118. you gotta have faith (MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) (bring back the real robinson cano!) November 11th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    ill take a pass on lowe, and if our rotation wasnt so depleted id pass on CC too

    if CC doesnt turn out to be the saviour as everyone is saying he is, this board will be flooded with hypocrites who swear they knew that the yanks shouldnt have spent all that money

    just counting down the days….

  119. S.o.S.27 November 11th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    We missed the playoffs with 4 of the 5 with us last year. Can we go into the season risking any of the 4 getting hurt or sub par year? Just asking. I think all these free agents have are some what risky.

  120. no.com November 11th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Dave

    Have you consider comparing Lowe’s innings pitch to Sheet’s and Burnett’s. Didn’t think so.

  121. Patrick November 11th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    SoS there’s always a risk of injury among starting pitchers. That’s why the Yankees should fill the rotation with guys that are safer bets to throw 200 innings (and Joba) then have some depth with Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves down in the minors. All three guys have the potential to be in a major league rotation for a full year but are better suited to begin in AAA.

  122. Nick in SF November 11th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Any pitcher is an injury risk, no? But CC, Pettitte, and Moose are all fairly likely to give you close to 200 innings, as is Wang, whose injury was freakish and non-pitching-related. So I think that rotation I suggested would be problematic because 3/5 of it was in the 2008 starting rotation.

  123. Nick in SF November 11th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Ha, Patrick and I are on the same wavelength. Must be the Moose Bars.

  124. Tom November 11th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Andy had 3 awful starts were he gave up 6 or more runs in the second half.

    He also had over 20 starts where he gave up 4 or less runs.

    rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated.

    http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2008

  125. S.o.S.27 November 11th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    I get it fellas. Im just in the mood for change. O sold me that change is good. I would take back one of Moose or Pettitte and go for a Burnett/Sheets. Thats of coarse with C.C. at the top.

  126. Nick in SF November 11th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Can’t we have Hope with only limited Change?

  127. S.o.S.27 November 11th, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Yes we can!!!

  128. YANKS IN 2010 November 11th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Nick & Patrick

    Right on! we need innings to get through the season…unless we are going to see more of rasner, ponson, geise

  129. yankee21 November 11th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Interesting words from CB and others about Herb Score.

    I think there is a lesson in there somewhere. A ML player living the dream with an incredible life style to boot has to realize how close they are to being out of the game, all it takes is getting hit by a pitch in the eye (Conigliaro), a line drive through the box (Score) or way before anyone’s time here , Ray Chapman(CLE) being the only ML player in history to die directly by a pitched ball (1920).

    Can’t take this game for granted.

  130. dave November 11th, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    no.com

    Are you joking? Of course I looked at and compared innings pitched. All three have missed significant time-Lowe has pitched alot of innings since 2002 which means one, he is older than the other two and second, he has a lot more innings under his belt. Lowe pitched 180 innings in the AL in 2002. Thas great for him. Unfortunately, he had a whip over 1.6 and an era over 5. Wasnt much better the yr before. The yr after he revived his career in the NL West. I dont want him to see if he can still pitch against AL East competition at 35 when he couldnt even get it done four yrs ago.

    Sheets was injury prone between 2005 and 2007 but he never pitched less than 100 innings. This isnt carl pavano type injuries we are talking about. Besides those three yrs of injuries (two of which he managed over 150 innings) he has pithed pretty much 200 innings every season (for four seasons.) He is also six yrs younger than Lowe making him less likely to be injured. Burnett is more of the same – effective when healthy and hasnt missed the majority of a season since 2003 with TJ surgery.

    This isnt rocket science – you dont go for the 35 yr old who had success in the NL after leaving the AL due to ineffectiveness because he has four straight 200 innings under his belt. If you want inning eaters sign garland. You go for the 30 yr olds who have the stuff to succeed in the AL East. Sheets and Burnett when healthy can be top of the rotation starters and even aces at times. Lowe has never been that kind of pitcher outside of 2002 (six plus yrs ago when he was 29.)

    And no.com id appreciate if your comment was a little less like a five yr old and just saying why you disagree with me.

  131. dave November 11th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Lowe had the whip of 1.6 in 2004 NOT 2002 my bad

  132. sara November 11th, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    “I’m sure there are valid reasons for it. But why have the Mets already moved into Citi Field, started demolishing Shea and put their stuff up for sale?”

    ummm…cause no one really gives a crap about a stadium built on a garbage dump or the garbage that plays inside of it!

  133. BBB (Andy still has a lot left, PAY THE MAN!) November 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    “I’m not sure Pettitte would crack the starting 5 in Boston. If Masterson were made a starter, I don’t think Pettitte makes the cut.”

    Pass that sh.. right over here son!!!

    Also, it’ll be a great day when the Mets or someone like them signs Lowe. I want nothing to do with him.

  134. Rock Smoother November 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    CB you are right on about Andy…..as are you Tom…..

    I love this number too……In 4 of Andy’s last 9 starts he went at least 7 innings and gave up 3 runs or less…yet only 1 of those 4 starts turned into a win………let’s just say 2 of those 3 turned into wins….would people be as apathetic about bringing Andy back if he was 16-14….

    People don’t usually piss away guys who win 15 games in back to back years

    I think the media and maybe the Yankees are taking for granted that it’s not easy to find a guy who throws 200 innings and wins 15 games every year…and oh by the way is a lefty. Not to mention all the obvious intangibles like Andy pouring his heart out every time he’s out there and ripping himself apart whenever he struggles. It also would be nice to continue to have Andy’s guidance and work ethic around Joba and any other young guns (Hughes, Aceves, Coke).

    On July 26th Andy was 12-7 w/ 3.76 ERA…..and in a great groove with Molina….then he started versus the Angels with Pudge(his first game) and got shelled shaking him off every two seconds and clearly uncomfortable b/c Andy is always fickle with battery partners…and then he went out in that ridic Texas heat…got hit pretty hard…hurt his shoulder (like Joba did in texas heat)…and battled thru the rest of the way…..with a few good starts which the defense and offesne let him down…and a few clunkers

    Bottom line: This guy is a horse….He is the ultimate competetior…and to let him get away again would be an enormous mistake. They better lock him down soon before he feels neglected.

  135. BBB (Andy still has a lot left, PAY THE MAN!) November 11th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    on an off-topic sports note, can the Hawks please lose already?!?!?

  136. John November 11th, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Nights like this is why you can’t trust the Knicks

    25 wins tops.

  137. Yankees#1 November 11th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Hope Rotation for Yankees in 2009:

    1) CC
    2) Wang
    2A)AJ
    4) Mussina
    5) Joba + Hughes

    If things go where, either Joba or Hughes can turn into a rotation mainstay going forward. Having CC and AJ will buy Yankees time to develop their own pitchers going forward while still have a competitive team on the field. For every Lincecum, there are many more Homer Bailey and Adam Millers, prospects with great arm but no results for a long time. To develop a great pitcher, it takes a great talent to begin with, it takes a great deal of work from the organization, it takes a great deal of luck for that pitcher to stay healthy, it takes a great deal of heart from that pitcher to learn to adapt to MLB hitters and have the courage to make pitches after some initial set backs. For every one stud to come out of pack, there must be at least 6-7 high end talent to draw from. TB went through so many of these potential high end arms to finally find a Kazmir. Yankees must have patience and great eyes to find and develop players. Being lucky does not hurt.

  138. ray (sox fan) November 11th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    BBB (Andy still has a lot left, PAY THE MAN!)
    November 11th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
    “on an off-topic sports note, can the Hawks please lose already?!?!?”

    The Celtics will oblige tomorrow evening.

  139. YankeesLuv November 11th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Pete,
    Because the Mets stuff isn’t worth as much as the Yankees stuff plain and simple.

  140. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 11th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    “on an off-topic sports note, can the Hawks please lose already?!?!?”

    They have a swagger this season.

    “Nights like this is why you can’t trust the Knicks”

    It’s San Antonio what did you expect ?

  141. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 11th, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    “The Celtics will oblige tomorrow evening.”

    IDK I think Al Horford is coming to his own and Joe Johnson/Bibby will give that backcourt problems.

  142. mel November 11th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    ray,

    You still here? WTH is wrong with KG? Wagging his finger and taunting Calderon like some playground punk. He wasn’t like that in Minny. There must be something in the water in beantown. How come you’re not like that, do you drink bottled water? :)

  143. ray (sox fan) November 11th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    Brandon,
    I will be the first to admit the Hawks have a very good team. They pushed the Celtics to the limit last year in the playoffs.

    However, people like Paul Pierce are still very determined this year. He scored 22 points last night against Toronto in just the fourth quarter.

  144. ray (I drink bottled water) November 11th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    Hey Mel,

    I will admit that KG seemed really animated last night and went over the top!

    I also think the Lakers do have the edge on the Celtics this year, but the Celtics second unit has been a very pleasant surprise.

  145. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 11th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    ray, I understand that but the Hawks aren’t a new team like Toronto. What happened in that Raptors game was that Toronto had no muscle inside and no one to defend The Truth, the Hawks other have 2 lock down defenders in the backcourt and are immensely talented in the fastbreak set.

  146. ray (I drink bottled water) November 12th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    brandon,

    I can’t argue with you because you make some very valid points. I think it will be a very close game with each team wanting to prove something because of last year’s playoffs.

  147. Dave D November 12th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    The Yankees know their needs – starting pitching tops the list – and are ready to start spending once free agency opens Friday, co-chairperson Hal Steinbrenner said Tuesday.

    “We’re going to do what we do every year,” Steinbrenner said, “and that’s try to field a championship team. That’s not going to change. We know that we’ve got some weaknesses, and we’re going to fix the problems as best we can. If that means spending money, obviously that means spending money. The philosophy has not changed.”

    “Everything has a price,” Steinbrenner said. “We understand free agency. We’re going to go after what we need, and if what we can do and what we’re willing to do is not enough, then it won’t be enough. But we’re going to pursue the market aggressively, as we do every year.”

    “We’re going to be ready for Friday,” Steinbrenner said of the first day teams can talk contracts with other clubs’ free agents. ” … Everything’s on the table.”

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....2089.story

  148. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 12th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    ray is it nationally televised ?

  149. mel November 12th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    ray,

    Second units are really key. In the close games we’ve had the Bench Mob’s come in to turn it around. (Pay close attention to Trevor Ariza. He skied straight up about 12 feet to block Terry’s 3 tonight) I thought our bench was good, but I was looking at Utah’s. They had AK-47, Korver, Millsap, and Ronnie Price. Jeez. And that’s with Deron Williams out.

    Anyway, about -Mr. Moving Pick-KG. He sure gets away with a lot, huh? Compromising pix of David Stern?

  150. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 12th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    mel you had to throw Ariza in my face tonight didn’t ya ..

  151. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en... let's try '09! November 12th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Methinks that KG is trying to channel Dikembe Mutombo with the finger wagging, and on a side note, the Knicks are coming to town tomorrow.

  152. mel November 12th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    ray (don’t drink that!),

    No joke on the 2nd teams. It’s getting competitive. Utah had AK-47, Milsap, Korver, and Ronnie Price off the bench today. That’s without Deron Williams playing.

  153. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 12th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    BTW the Nuggets look like a completely different team w/ Billups, there was actually ball movement and good shot selection and defense. Adam Morrison = SCRUB, BUST see Danillo Gallanara/Federic Weis/Kwame Brown

  154. mel November 12th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    sorry about the sorta double post. Connection problems and I thought it ate up my first post.

    Brandon,

    I thought the trade would benefit the Nugs. They went from a bubble team to a playoff team. And Rip’s having a hard time with Iverson. I mean, who’s the shooting guard and who’s the point guard?

  155. Nick in SF November 12th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Can the T’Wolves sink a shot as time expires to avoid OT in Oakland?

    No they McCants!

  156. Dan November 12th, 2008 at 1:04 am

    Tearing down The Stadium mid-season is just bad form. Great idea front office.

  157. Nick in SF November 12th, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Scott Proctor tried to burn it down mid-season, didn’t he?

    Maybe he should have set fire to hit arm.

  158. Al from BK( C'mon Yanks be smart and agressive this off-season.) November 12th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    I can’t understand how they could start demolition mid-season while people are trying to attend games right across the street.

  159. Nick in SF November 12th, 2008 at 1:19 am

    They could time demolition to a big Matsui homer and then show Godzilla on the fancy new video screens.

  160. Mrs. Kekich November 12th, 2008 at 2:25 am

    Maybe the old Stadium is staying up because there might be an outside chance the new one won’t be done? I guess the memorabilia sale is the main reason.

  161. TurnTwo November 12th, 2008 at 7:56 am

    “Tearing down The Stadium mid-season is just bad form. Great idea front office.”

    why? who cares?

  162. Jim PA November 12th, 2008 at 8:05 am

    I’m going to bid on the ATM machine that was on the Field Level. I spent a lot of time there over the years.

  163. pat November 12th, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Baseball America has a best tools list for Yankee Minor Leaguers. For those who really know the minor leagues, is the list pretty good or are they missing someone?

    Also check out the 2012 projected lineup. Jeter is still going to be the best option at SS and Brett Gardner at CF? Says alot about the lack of depth in the minors if that’s true.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....67148.html

  164. Gary November 12th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    I can’t wait until the speakers at the new Stadium are blasting away as Mariano leaves the bullpen for the mound.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYDetbwegs

  165. Jim in Dalton November 12th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    The Mets are moving?

  166. bru November 12th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    the yankees need to sign 3 of these pitchers sabathia,dempster,lowe,burnett,trade a package for a good young first baseman & cf. or sign tex.

    sabathia,dempster,burnett,tex will cost about 80 million.factor in arbitration raises and payroll is about the same as 08.

    with the extra revenue money from the new stadium they will still make a nice profit.

    they don’t have any pitchers in their system ready and no first baseman.

    should they trade hughes,kennedy,cano,ajax to fill their fb and cf needs and just sign 3 pitchers lowering payroll further?

    if they sign 3 pitchers they can afford to trade hughes,kennedy,acevez,ajax and others for a fb & cf and avoid paying tex.

    as long as they get a good young cf & fb i don’t see a problem trading hughes and ajax and some prospects.

    i would probably try to keep montero because the yankees need a catcher and montero has huge power potential even though he might be moved to fb or dh.

    i would love an adrian gonzalez or loney at first base.

    the yankees now have 1 1/2 pitchers and need to fix the pitching first.

    it will be interesting to see how cashman fixes fb & cf.

    do we go with melky,gardner and wait for ajax?

    i guess the easiest thing to do is sign sabathia,dempster,burnett,tex.

    this fixes the pitching staff,first base and we keep all of our prospects and get some nice picks in the draft i believe.

    rotation

    sabathia
    wang
    burnett
    dempster
    joba

    lineup

    damon
    jeter
    tex
    arod
    nady
    matsui
    posada
    cano
    gardner

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