Comments on: Marte deal makes a lot of sense http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:58:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: steve http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-588107 steve Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:28:12 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/#comment-588107 Coke is a good arm for the pen. He did well and demonstrated an ability to pitch at this level. I do not view his performance to September stats. Our pen next year shapes up as follows: CL: Mo Setup: BRuney Setup: Marte LRP: Coke RRP: Veras/Robertson/Abeljadeo/Melancon Situational Reliever: Ramirez Long Man. Geise/Aceves/Rasner Aceves can end up in rotation as our #5. I am not sold on Ramirez. I think he is a luxury since I think his best role is to face 1-2 hitters. I think he is less effective when you bring him in with men on base. If you let him go longer than 1-2 hitters then he becomes more predictable and gives up the long ball. He most definitely should not be allowed to pitch against the Angels. They own him. Veras has great stuff. His problem is command. When he struggles with the strike zone he will drive you to drink. When he throws strikes teams have a hard time making contact. Robertson has good stuff. His problem is also command. I am hopeful that last season will prove to be beneficial for this season Coke is a good arm for the pen. He did well and demonstrated an ability to pitch at this level. I do not view his performance to September stats.

Our pen next year shapes up as follows:

CL: Mo
Setup: BRuney
Setup: Marte
LRP: Coke
RRP: Veras/Robertson/Abeljadeo/Melancon
Situational Reliever: Ramirez
Long Man. Geise/Aceves/Rasner

Aceves can end up in rotation as our #5.

I am not sold on Ramirez. I think he is a luxury since I think his best role is to face 1-2 hitters. I think he is less effective when you bring him in with men on base. If you let him go longer than 1-2 hitters then he becomes more predictable and gives up the long ball. He most definitely should not be allowed to pitch against the Angels. They own him.

Veras has great stuff. His problem is command. When he struggles with the strike zone he will drive you to drink. When he throws strikes teams have a hard time making contact.

Robertson has good stuff. His problem is also command. I am hopeful that last season will prove to be beneficial for this season

]]> By: jake http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-587920 jake Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:46:06 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/#comment-587920 I agree that the comment about Coke having been "stumbling along" as a prospect was uncalled for. He'd had an excellent year as a starter in AA, then AAA, in 2008 and, actually, showed an ability to maintain 92+velocity deep into his starts. I also take issue with the comment about his late-season relief appearances being meaningless. He gave up 2 runs, once, against the Bosox, but shut the Bosox down on two other occasions and was pretty unhittable in his other ten, or so, appearances. Those games in which he appeared weren't meaningless to the BoSox, or to the Rays, who were locked in a race--even if the Yanks, themselves, were playing out the string. Coke was impressive coming out of the bullpen, and that's where he should remain. The Yanks need two lefties in their bullpen----look back at 1996, or 1998, as reference points--and Coke/Marte would provide as effective a pair as any that can be found in the game. If the Yanks want to move Coke into the rotation, he might be able to find success there. But he looked REALLY REALLY GOOD as a reliever. And, if they do make such a move, they're going to need to sign another lefty as a free agent--Reyes, or Ohman, or Affeldt--because one lefty just isn't enough. I agree that the comment about Coke having been “stumbling along” as a prospect was uncalled for. He’d had an excellent year as a starter in AA, then AAA, in 2008 and, actually, showed an ability to maintain 92+velocity deep into his starts.
I also take issue with the comment about his late-season relief appearances being meaningless. He gave up 2 runs, once, against the Bosox, but shut the Bosox down on two other occasions and was pretty unhittable in his other ten, or so, appearances. Those games in which he appeared weren’t meaningless to the BoSox, or to the Rays, who were locked in a race–even if the Yanks, themselves, were playing out the string.
Coke was impressive coming out of the bullpen, and that’s where he should remain. The Yanks need two lefties in their bullpen—-look back at 1996, or 1998, as reference points–and Coke/Marte would provide as effective a pair as any that can be found in the game.
If the Yanks want to move Coke into the rotation, he might be able to find success there. But he looked REALLY REALLY GOOD as a reliever. And, if they do make such a move, they’re going to need to sign another lefty as a free agent–Reyes, or Ohman, or Affeldt–because one lefty just isn’t enough.

]]> By: The Monarch http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-587894 The Monarch Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:11:27 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/#comment-587894 I'm glad Marte is back. I just don't understand why they would turn down a 1 year option for $6M, and instead negotiate a 3-year deal at $4M per year. I’m glad Marte is back.

I just don’t understand why they would turn down a 1 year option for $6M, and instead negotiate a 3-year deal at $4M per year.

]]> By: stu http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-587844 stu Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:33:13 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/#comment-587844 i agree the jury is still out on Phil Coke, but to say he was a "stumbling prospect" is inaccurate and unfair. Coke spent most of '08 at AA Trenton and had a terrific year. He struggled when he was promoted to AAA SWB ... but was starting to pitch better around the time he was called up to the majors. i agree the jury is still out on Phil Coke, but to say he was a “stumbling prospect” is inaccurate and unfair.

Coke spent most of ’08 at AA Trenton and had a terrific year. He struggled when he was promoted to AAA SWB … but was starting to pitch better around the time he was called up to the majors.

]]> By: Dionisio http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-587843 Dionisio Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:32:26 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/#comment-587843 I agree with jennifer. The games meant nothing to the Yankees, but they meant a lot for the teams they were playing against. I don't like Coke as a starter. He's just a lefty with 3 average pitches at best. As a reliever, he has a 95 mph FB and a plus slider, along some other breaking pitches. I wouldn't put my hopes on Coke as a starter if I were you guys. If you want a great lefty, check Jeremy Bleich, he's great. He's a lefty IPK, with less cocky attitude, and best secondary stuff. I agree with jennifer. The games meant nothing to the Yankees, but they meant a lot for the teams they were playing against.

I don’t like Coke as a starter. He’s just a lefty with 3 average pitches at best. As a reliever, he has a 95 mph FB and a plus slider, along some other breaking pitches. I wouldn’t put my hopes on Coke as a starter if I were you guys.

If you want a great lefty, check Jeremy Bleich, he’s great. He’s a lefty IPK, with less cocky attitude, and best secondary stuff.

]]> By: Ryan http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-587841 Ryan Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:32:11 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/#comment-587841 I don't understand why everyone's so down on X-Na..he's not the best outfielder but he's a pretty solid bat... I don’t understand why everyone’s so down on X-Na..he’s not the best outfielder but he’s a pretty solid bat…

]]> By: stu http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-587837 stu Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:30:11 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/#comment-587837 i understand that the jury is still out on Phil Coke, but to say he was a stumbling prospect before his call up is not fair. Phil Coke had a terrific season at AA Trenton, but struggled when he was promoted to AAA SWB ... probably needed more time to get settled in at SWB. You are half right in your analysis Mr. Abraham i understand that the jury is still out on Phil Coke, but to say he was a stumbling prospect before his call up is not fair.

Phil Coke had a terrific season at AA Trenton, but struggled when he was promoted to AAA SWB … probably needed more time to get settled in at SWB.

You are half right in your analysis Mr. Abraham

]]> By: bdog375 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-587769 bdog375 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:28:49 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/#comment-587769 "Joe Girardi’s strength as a manager is handling the bullpen" Pete, is this to imply it is his only strength? When is the hatchet going to be buried? “Joe Girardi’s strength as a manager is handling the bullpen”

Pete, is this to imply it is his only strength? When is the hatchet going to be buried?

]]> By: Reacher http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-587765 Reacher Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:25:02 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/#comment-587765 ******Three perhaps, more likely two.******* ******Three perhaps, more likely two.*******

]]> By: Reacher http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-587751 Reacher Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:15:26 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/12/marte-deal-makes-a-lot-of-sense/#comment-587751 It is far too early to reach any conclusions about who will play where in the starting lineup, particularly in the outfield. Taking Hal, who is known as being very conservative, at his word, money will not be an object to success. A Damon-Gardner-Nady-Matsui composition may now be where we are but surely it will not be come 3/1. Since injuries will undoubtedless take their toll during the season (Matsui is broken down and Damon is not far behind) obviously Cashman must do something. Hopefully, it will not begin and end with a re-signing of Abreu. I take Hal at his word..if it takes spending money obviously we will spend money. As a negotiating tack one would think that he would announce a more conservative policy in free agency pursuit given also the economy. But he didn't. Is he foolish, is he doing it to sell tickets, line up more YES advertisers and Yankee sponsors etc? They will do whatever is necessary to juice up the offense and if that means signing both big FA bats they may well do it. Neither Hank nor Hal is a baseball man like George is/was..they do not want to be where they are but only in deference to their DAD and due to the $$$$ involved have they taken over the ship. They're not interested in an endless journey in which they enjoy the process, as George did. They simply want to build up value in the franchise and it's related interests (YES etc) until the time comes (and not in the too distant future) when it is ripe for sale to the highest bidder. IF the team can recapture the glory days by the end of the current economic downturn, it could be sooner than later. As Hal has said, "if that means spending money, obviously we will spend money". If by signing certain players revenues for the franchise, related activities such as YES, merchandising etc can be enhanced, money will be spent..it takes money to make money. As stated above, it's simply a business to Hal, not a hobby or an otherwise enjoyable pursuit. Bottom line....your starting outfielders and DH will not consist of the four mentioned above or on last year's roster. Three perhaps, two at the most. It is far too early to reach any conclusions about who will play where in the starting lineup, particularly in the outfield. Taking Hal, who is known as being very conservative, at his word, money will not be an object to success. A Damon-Gardner-Nady-Matsui composition may now be where we are but surely it will not be come 3/1. Since injuries will undoubtedless take their toll during the season (Matsui is broken down and Damon is not far behind) obviously Cashman must do something. Hopefully, it will not begin and end with a re-signing of Abreu.

I take Hal at his word..if it takes spending money obviously we will spend money. As a negotiating tack one would think that he would announce a more conservative policy in free agency pursuit given also the economy. But he didn’t. Is he foolish, is he doing it to sell tickets, line up more YES advertisers and Yankee sponsors etc? They will do whatever is necessary to juice up the offense and if that means signing both big FA bats they may well do it.

Neither Hank nor Hal is a baseball man like George is/was..they do not want to be where they are but only in deference to their DAD and due to the $$$$ involved have they taken over the ship. They’re not interested in an endless journey in which they enjoy the process, as George did. They simply want to build up value in the franchise and it’s related interests (YES etc) until the time comes (and not in the too distant future) when it is ripe for sale to the highest bidder. IF the team can recapture the glory days by the end of the current economic downturn, it could be sooner than later. As Hal has said, “if that means spending money, obviously we will spend money”. If by signing certain players revenues for the franchise, related activities such as YES, merchandising etc can be enhanced, money will be spent..it takes money to make money.

As stated above, it’s simply a business to Hal, not a hobby or an otherwise enjoyable pursuit.

Bottom line….your starting outfielders and DH will not consist of the four mentioned above or on last year’s roster. Three perhaps, two at the most.

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