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Hank: We want all the pitchers

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 14, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After hours of unrelenting torture at the hands of the Associated Press, Hank Steinbrenner broke down tonight and revealed what the Yankees are up to.

Steinbrenner confirmed that Brian Cashman made an offer to CC Sabathia. Then he added: “And we’re prepared to make offers to (A.J.) Burnett and (Derek) Lowe. I’m starting to become very optimistic. I think it’s going to be mutually beneficial to us and for these particular players that we’re after for them to join the Yankees.”

Offers are a long way from acceptance. But if the Yankees are seeking Sabathia, Burnett and Lowe, are they prepared to leave Andy Pettitte by the side of the road? Or are they offering three, hoping to get two and then moving on to Pettitte?

One thing is fairly certain: They’re not messing around.

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480 Responses to “Hank: We want all the pitchers”

  1. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 14th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    My god just say no to Lowe.

  2. tom c November 14th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    money isn’t enough, you can’t buy a championship. every year is the same, get way over paid and over hyped free agents and a real team beats you in the playoffs (on a good year)

  3. Ed - sign CC immediately November 14th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    On MY9 news, it was reported that A-Rod prompted the front office to pursude Orlando Hudson. They told him that they were interested with and without A-Rod’s prompting.

  4. yankeefan91 (sign c.c asap) November 14th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    wow all 3pitchers hank aint playinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

  5. Ed - sign CC immediately November 14th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    **My god just say no to Lowe.**

    I second that.

  6. TKinDC November 14th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    “wow all 3pitchers hank aint playinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn”

    literally – Hank is not even in the game.

    I guess I’d take Lowe before Burnett, but I wouldn’t be thrilled about either.

  7. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and show CC the money (and food)! November 14th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    “After hours of unrelenting torture at the hands of the Associated Press, Hank Steinbrenner broke down tonight and revealed what the Yankees are up to.”

    LOL
    I’m sure the AP had to work hard to pry the info out him..
    ;)

  8. pat November 14th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    “A-Rod prompted the front office to pursude Orlando Hudson.”

    Has Hudson played anything but 2B or what ya doin’ with Cano?

  9. PreteFunkEra November 14th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    I guess we can all put our $20 beers in the new handy dandy cup holders at the new stadium.

  10. MikeEff November 14th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    why no interest in ollie perez? aside from the fact that he’s a nutjob, he’s got great stuff.

    brandon–your take?

  11. R-Tek November 14th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    So Hank doesn’t mind that there are reporters hiding behind his shrubs/trees all day and night waiting for him to come out to smoke?

    What do the reporters do all day?

  12. Frontier November 14th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Get Hudson and play him in CF.

    1B – Swisher
    2B – Cano
    3B – Arod
    SS – Jeter
    LF – Damon
    CF – Hudson
    RF – Nady
    C – Posada
    DH – Matsui

  13. Ed - sign CC immediately November 14th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Pat,

    nope, Hudson did played a total of 22 games in the OF in the minors.Other than that, he’s a 2B since forever. With the Swisher acquistion, Hudson isn’t moving to the OF.

  14. miggs November 14th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    I actually prefer Lowe to Burnett, very much so.

    But the guy no one is talking about who I am really interested in is Brad Penny. Guy won 16 games in back to back years 2006-2007 and started the 2007 all star game.

    I know he was hurt last year and didn’t pitch well, but he’s gotta be worth a shot. He’d come cheap and for a short term deal. I wonder if he’s on the radar.

  15. Ed - sign CC immediately November 14th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    **Get Hudson and play him in CF.**

    then he will command alot of $$$$$ if he’s going to switch positions.

  16. harwood November 14th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    CC, Burnett and Lowe? But Tex is out of the question.

    And if they make an offer to either of them, especially Lowe before Andy there are going to be problems. Andy should be locked up already.

  17. West side November 14th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    I bet you when midnight struck last night, Hank came downstairs in his PJs with a Cuban cigar in his mouth, patron in his hand, and threw a party.

  18. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 14th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    “brandon—your take?”

    I like him, and under Mike Harky + Dave Eiland could be a sleeper if the price is right.

    As for Hudson I’m assuming Alex wants him for CF or him at 2B Robi in RF w/ that arm and ability on fly balls, Alex hooked Robi up w/ his trainer this offseason I doubt he wants him gone.

  19. Y26 November 14th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    They are being very prudent and that’s good. They are not putting all their eggs in one basket. They are preparing as if none of them will sign and are extending offers for everyone.

    Pettitte is their fallback plan at the moment because we have him in our back pocket.

    They don’t want to miss out on anyone. They want to lock up everyone as soon as possible.

  20. GreenBeret7 November 14th, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Hudson doesn’t have half the value of Robinson Cano.

  21. Jake November 14th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Ya, let’s get Orlando Hudson and play him in Center Field.

    Not the brightest thing I’ve heard.

    Its Cano at 2B until further notice.

    Why would Orlando Hudson want to switch from 2B to OF when he’ll field plenty of offers to play 2B. Why would the Yankees go out of their way to sign a 2B to play OF? And by out of the way, that means offer the highest contract.

    Sabathia, Burnett, and Pettitte would be the best option. Why go and get Derek Lowe when you can have Andy Pettitte instead? Again, makes no sense. If you can’t have Burnett, then you go to Lowe, but you still grab Pettitte.

    I get the impression that a lot of people are ready to send Pettitte packing when he went 14-14 this past season. He’s cheaper than Lowe or Burnett and he’s a REAL Yankee with plenty left in the tank.

  22. ATL Yanks November 14th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Alex wants Cameron and Hudson. Get one of them. Both are tight with CC too.

    But how much more will ODawg want to play CF? There have been reports (this offseason and last) that he is dying to play in NY with either the Yanks or Mets, so maybe he won’t make a big deal about switching positions.

  23. 34hughes November 14th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    peavy to yankees

  24. Quilvio Imposter November 14th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Orlando Hudson for CF?

    This is like when Francessa said he wanted Bernie to learn 1st base in ST last year.

  25. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 14th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    “peavy to yankees”

    Peavy to stay in NL

  26. Nick in SF November 14th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Lowe: No.

    And bring back Andy.

    Dassit.

  27. GreenBeret7 November 14th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    ATL Yanks
    November 14th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
    Alex wants Cameron and Hudson. Get one of them. Both are tight with CC too.

    But how much more will ODawg want to play CF? There have been reports (this offseason and last) that he is dying to play in NY with either the Yanks or Mets, so maybe he won’t make a big deal about switching positions.

    _____________________________________________________

    “Dying to play in NY” only means those are the big pay teams.

  28. Soul November 14th, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    34,

    I hope so. With the Braves out of the pitcher now, Towers may crawl back to us. I mean. what does the Cubs farm have that ours doesn’t?

  29. 34hughes November 14th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    peavy has no more options he has to come here

  30. Pete's Boss November 14th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Leave Andy on the side of the road…where he belongs

  31. Dassit November 14th, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    “Lowe: No.
    And bring back Andy.
    Dassit.”

    I fully support and aprove this statement.

  32. steve November 14th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    andy petite is better than lowe

    lowe is awful

  33. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 14th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    For people that think Hudson can’t play the OF in the Bluejays he played the corner outfield a bit, he is one of the smartest defensive instinctive players in the ML and putting him in the OF utilizes his speed and ability to track the ball better. It’s not that far fetch but it will depend on him, I’d rather have Cano as my 2B and Hudson in CF gradually moving him to the CO when Jackson develops down the road. This is how an organization thinks outside the box, it’s not like this guy can’t play CF it’s would he want to play in CF. Ever see Mariano in pregames if he never was a CL he’d be on hell of a CF but I’m glad to have him as a CL. :)

  34. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and show CC the money (and food)! November 14th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    “peavy has no more options he has to come here”

    He has options and he won’t be coming here. Not like he wants to anyway

  35. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 14th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    “34,

    I hope so. With the Braves out of the pitcher now, Towers may crawl back to us. I mean. what does the Cubs farm have that ours doesn’t?”

    We don’t need to sell the system for this guy, we can get just as good players through this FA. Frankly how about if Philly gets in the discussion then what ? he’s already said he wants no part of NY.

  36. Jake November 14th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Pete’s Boss,

    We can throw you in the dumpster if you like.

    If Pettitte is roadside material, you are definitely garbage can material.

  37. Rocco 7.0 November 14th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Something special is brewing at MSG

    Win over a very good Seattle team, 116 points, Randolph with 29/19.

  38. Jake November 14th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Brandon,

    Hudson is a good defensive player, no doubt, but what is the logic in signing him to play OF when we are already stacked in the OF with Matsui, Damon, Nady, Gardner, Cabrera (god forbid).

    I just don’t see the logic in signing a 2B to play OF.

    I don’t see logic in signing any OF for that matter…if we needed one we’d have re-signed Abreu.

  39. harwood November 14th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    “peavy has no more options he has to come here”

    nevermind the splits. the league. hes afraid to pitch here! why on earth do you want someone like that?

  40. Tom K November 14th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Rocco –

    Very good team? Oklahoma City dropped to 1-8 with that loss.

  41. Don November 14th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Towers botched it. The Braves package was pretty good, by far the best he is going to find.

    Escobar or Schaffer, plus Gorkys Hernandez, Charlie Morton, and Boyer is a good package.

    Towers saw what happened to Bill Smith, he ended up with Gomez, Phul Humber, and some scrubs. He should have taken the Braves package easily.

  42. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 14th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Wait till game 20 and teams will start to adjust to that Knicks team, you can’t play no D and succeed in the East like that. On top of that the last 2 games were vs Memphis and OKC and a Durantless OKC gave them a heart attack all OKC needed to do was hit one wide open 3 and a wide open layup. As for Z-Bo he’s getting dealt it’s a transition yr. for the Knicks they aren’t better than Boston, Philly, Atlanta, Indy, Chicago, Toronto, Washington, Milwaukee or NJ.

  43. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 14th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    “I just don’t see the logic in signing a 2B to play OF.”

    Like signing a SS to play 3B ? oh wait that did happen. It’s simple it utilizes Hudson’s strengths better, speed, IQ, flyball tracking and athleticism.

  44. Nick in SF November 14th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Peavy has the option of saying no to the Yankees, which will spare him the indignity of the Yankees saying no to him.

  45. Nick in SF November 14th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    2B —> OF

    Soriano?

  46. Pat November 14th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    If they think that signing Sabathia, Burnett and Lowe solves their problems, they are sadly mistaken. This team needs as much help on the offense as it does pitching. In fact if you compare 2008 with 2007 you will see that the pitching although not stellar was better in 2008 than it was in 2007. However their offense was significantly worse in 2008 than 2007. If they let Abreu walk and do not sign Teixeira who is going to bat in the #3 spot ahead of A-Rod, the options are not pretty!

  47. Jake November 14th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Brandon,

    That’s Alex Rodriguez you’re talking about dude.

    Orlando Hudson has nothing on the big guy. Terrible comparison, and btw, 3B is an infield position and SS to 3B is a more common transition ala Cal Ripken, Nomar Garciaparra, etc.

  48. Brian from PA November 14th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    I’ll be fine if they just get CC. That’s the important thing. I’ll be pretty disappointed if he doesn’t come to the Yanks. Burnett or Lowe would be nice fall back options, but i don’t think they’re necessary if they get CC. It would just be too much money to over pay those two overrated pitchers. Especially Burnett. I’m content for them to field a rotation like CC, Wang, Joba, Pettitte and then whoever can step up from the minors, whether it be Hughes or Aceves or another. I know many people here are discouraged with the farm but seriously- the managed 89 wins last year with a painfully inconsistent offense, and while playing musical chairs with 3 rotation spots. look at our rotation last year…it was in a shambles. and still, 89 wins. They don’t need to do THAT much. I think CC would be enough, and if Cash doesn’t feel comfortable leaving the 5th spot up in the air i think they’d be better off saving a little money by going the route of Jon Garland or Dempster or something who can make a capable back-end rotation guy.

    And i can’t for the life of me understand why there are STILL people on here talking about Peavy. I know, I rarely say anything so if you’re even reading this you’re probably like “who the hell are you?” but i read hear daily so i know what goes on lol. anyway, accept it, he doesn’t want to be a Yankee and trading for him makes no sense for the Yankees.

  49. randyhater November 14th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    I’m amazed at how many people want a slacker like Burnett (who by the way pitched to a 4 ERA last year) in Pinstripes. If a big arm, no heart, overrated rehab jockey is your desire, the undisputed champ is still available and he already knows all of our trainers.

    Lowe on the other hand has 7 straight years of 32 or more starts. (Burnett’s done it twice in 10 years, both times in walk years.) So what Lowe doesn’t strike out 10 a game? He’s a better than average horse who’s proven himself under October fire multiple times.

    I want a sure thing in the 3 spot and he’s the closest thing to it. If not him I’d look hard at Dempster, Penny, O. Perez or even dependable punching bag Jon Garland before I’d even consider a proven payroll thief like that ostrich-face Burnett.

  50. Joe I November 14th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    “That’s Alex Rodriguez you’re talking about dude.

    Orlando Hudson has nothing on the big guy. Terrible comparison, and btw, 3B is an infield position and SS to 3B is a more common transition ala Cal Ripken, Nomar Garciaparra, etc.”

    Yeah, and middle inf to of has been a common transition too. Mantle, Tresh, Murcer, Soriano and Knoblauch. Those are just the Yankees who have done it, even though Soriano went to of full time in Washington, but he was going to the of here before Knoblauch’s problems became too big.

  51. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 14th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    “That’s Alex Rodriguez you’re talking about dude.”

    Was it ? :?

    “Orlando Hudson has nothing on the big guy. Terrible comparison, and btw, 3B is an infield position and SS to 3B is a more common transition ala Cal Ripken, Nomar Garciaparra, etc.”

    Dude he tracks pops ups from 2B to the RF line at times over runs his RF or CF to the ball. Orlando Hudson is gifted defensively and can go from 2B to CF but it’s up to him.

  52. Ed - sign CC immediately November 14th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    “2B—-> OF

    Soriano?”

    the first year in the OF worked well for him, led the majors with 22 assists.

    oh yeah, Soriano stinks at 2B and just an error prone.

  53. Caps November 14th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    The Dallas Mavericks are angry, they will come to MSG and beat us by 20. Kidd loves playing the Knicks.

  54. Front Row November 14th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    Let’s assume for a second that we get Hudson and he plays CF. That means nearly everyone on the team is out of position.

    Damon is a CF playing LF
    Swisher is a RF playing 1B
    A-Rod is a SS playing 3B
    Nady is a LF playing RF
    Posada is a DH playing C
    Hudson is a 2B playing CF

    That would be awesome

  55. Jake November 14th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    OK, you’re misunderstanding me. I’m not saying Hudson couldn’t play OF…I’m sure he could because, as you said, he is athletic and a solid defensive player.

    My point is, why sign a 2B to do that? He doesn’t hit for power, he has speed sure, but what does our offense need more if it needs anything? We lost Abreu and Giambi, both of whom are not anything close to leadoff or two hole hitters like Hudson is.

    I can appreciate you guys are not hot on the prospect of Gardner or Melky in CF. Neither am I to be honest, but I don’t think Hudson is the answer.

  56. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 14th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    “The Dallas Mavericks are angry, they will come to MSG and beat us by 20. Kidd loves playing the Knicks.”

    IDK they are the type of soft team that can beat us or kick us around, either way yeh Kidd is going to be a problem.

  57. UtilityMan(#33 for AROD in 09) November 14th, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Ok…….I just got a text message saying CC agred to the Yankees deal………I dont believe it….my understanding is that his agents will shop it around this weekend first.

  58. Nick in SF November 14th, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    I forgot that Soriano was converted from SS to 2B.

    Burnett only pitches well against the Yanks and the Red Sox, right? I guess it sort of makes sense… but I’m not so crazy about him either. But there is something to be said for a guy who wants to pitch for the Yanks who is also wanted by the Yankee players. If that’s even true.

  59. UtilityMan(#33 for AROD in 09) November 14th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    I remember when they stuck Soriano at 3B years ago,he fielded a ground ball off his foot.This was before he became a 2B.

  60. Pete's Boss November 15th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    you people are blinded by the old andy and cause he was “home grown”…he’s done and useless…move on

  61. Ed - sign CC immediately November 15th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    **I just got a text message saying CC agred to the Yankees deal………I dont believe it….my understanding is that his agents will shop it around this weekend first.**

    did anyone also sign up for the text alert? if so, please confirm this.

  62. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 15th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    “Damon is a CF playing LF
    Swisher is a RF playing 1B
    A-Rod is a SS playing 3B
    Nady is a LF playing RF
    Posada is a DH playing C
    Hudson is a 2B playing CF”

    A versatile roster how is this a bad thing, the one problem we had was an underaverage 1B last yr. so far we have upgraded that position, Swisher can field at 1B, Nady wasn’t a disaster defensively, Posada’s bat at C is key, Arod at 3B nearly won a GG, if Hudson says yes to CF it covers the gap and makes the roster more dangerous and versatile, if Robi goes down for some time due to injury plug Hudson at 2B, if Posada goes down you have Molina, if Hudson goes down Gardner in CF and eventually Jackson one day. if the RF goes down Swisher to RF and Miranda at 1B. Thinking outside the box.

  63. Front Row November 15th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Brook Lopez was a monster tonight for NJ

    25 pts/9 rebs/4 blocks/2 steals

    Makes me hate the Danillo Bustnari selection even more.

  64. Jake November 15th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    UtilityMan,

    Whoever texted you is having some fun.

    CC will definitely shop around for more than 24 hours.

  65. Phil November 15th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    I don’t understand all the anti-Lowe sentiment, he’s coming off of several good years in a row. He’s been better in ERA+ than Burnett has been.

  66. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 15th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    “Brook Lopez was a monster tonight for NJ

    25 pts/9 rebs/4 blocks/2 steals

    Makes me hate the Danillo Bustnari selection even more.”

    Don’t worry as long as Lawrence Frank is the coach they aren’t going anywhere.

  67. UtilityMan(#33 for AROD in 09) November 15th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Jake
    Probably so…just went to a few sites to check,figured Id put it out here.

  68. Peter Abraham November 15th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Just a word of warning: Making up “news” will get you banned.

    1. It’s not funny.

    2. Some people will take it seriously.

    3. It leads to me getting stupid e-mails and I have better things to do.

    So don’t do it. Thanks.

  69. jax gmen November 15th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    this team is never going to win anything next year until we get some veteran paycheck position players

    vets/paychecks must be added to the roster

  70. Ed - sign CC immediately November 15th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    **Arod at 3B nearly won a GG**

    Beltre stole this year’s GG from him.

  71. you gotta have faith (MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) (bring back the real robinson cano!) November 15th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    go ahead hank get all the pitchers you want but if you plan on sending that lineup you have now without making anymore changes than you should reacquaint yourself with thrid place bc you’ll be seeing it again :(

  72. Kevin November 15th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    “Damon is a CF playing LF
    Swisher is a RF playing 1B
    A-Rod is a SS playing 3B
    Nady is a LF playing RF
    Posada is a DH playing C
    Hudson is a 2B playing CF”

    Nady was a RF before he came to the Yankees.
    Damon is better in LF then CF.
    Swisher had a .996 or so FLD% at 1B last year.
    A-Rod has been at third for 5? years now.

  73. Ed - sign CC immediately November 15th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    Pete,

    thanks for the clarification.

  74. thisguy November 15th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    everything depends on the length of the contract for the yankees, not the money.

    i would have started by offer CC 100 mill for 4 years…I wouldnt wanna go more than 6 years though.

    As for Lowe and AJ…I would take Lowe on a 2 year deal with an option, and I rather sign sheets for 3 years and AJ for 4 years.

    AJ and sheets both have injury concerns, but AJ has a concern about being a gamer…remember, the blue jays did all those tests and said it was all mental when AJ couldnt play in 2007. Even with being injury free last year, he had a good year, but Sheets is a much better pitcher and can be just as good as CC…you’re better off with sheets for 3, instead of AJ for 4…

    MY LIST (and what they will sign for, their market):

    CC (6/7 years)
    SHEETS (3 years)
    LOWE (3 years)
    AJ (4 years)

    It would be nice to sign tex, and have swisher platoon in CF and the corner OF spots, but that isnt happening…if abreu is gone…im not sure where our number 3/4 bat comes from…i guess we have to hope someone steps up for us.

  75. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption November 15th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    So much for my post earlier tonight being greatful that Hank had maybe learned something and wasn’t going to spout off at the mouth about every move the Yankees are going to make. Cashman must love this stuff.

  76. Jake November 15th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    UtilityMan,

    I appreciate the optimism, but its so unrealistic that I didn’t believe it for a second.

    What’s up Peter?!?!?! You’re keepin’ your ear to the ground huh? That’s why I love your work!

  77. Nick in SF November 15th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Peter: can you confirm that your boss is posting here and that he doesn’t like Andy Pettitte?

  78. Ed - sign CC immediately November 15th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    speaking of Brooke Lopez, him and Harris were monstorus tonight’s game. this is why Lopez should start over Boone. hopefully Frank learned his lesson. I knew tonight’s game was going to be closed, but glad they gave the Hawks’ their second lost. :)

  79. yanksfanmc November 15th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Only way the Yanks are signing Hudson is if they trade Cano first.

    Getting Hudson would go against Cash’s mantra of going younger.

    I really dont see Cano getting traded, especially given the fact that Giambi and Abreu are not coming back/ While Cano was bad offensively last season, we have seen before that he can flat out hit and is a doubles machine.

    Would Cano, Hughes and Melky get Peavy?

  80. UtilityMan(#33 for AROD in 09) November 15th, 2008 at 12:08 am

    Pete
    Was that suppose to be directed at me…..because I think I clearly stated that I didnt believe it…I was looking for some clarification.

  81. yanksfanmc November 15th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Cano and prospects to Milwaukee for Prince?

    Cano/Hughes for Sizemore?

  82. Jake November 15th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    *It would be nice to sign tex, and have swisher platoon in CF and the corner OF spots, but that isnt happening…if abreu is gone…im not sure where our number 3/4 bat comes from…i guess we have to hope someone steps up for us.*

    This is a perfect example of why signing Hudson to play OF makes little sense in our lineup.

  83. Jake November 15th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Oh ya, and I don’t agree with signing Tex, for the record.

  84. Nick in SF November 15th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    It could have been directed at me, yesterday I posted the news that Billy Beane had appeared on local radio and had refused to comment on CC, Teixeira, and Giambi.

    Of course that news was true.

  85. Ed - sign CC immediately November 15th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    “Cano and prospects to Milwaukee for Prince?

    Cano/Hughes for Sizemore?”

    stop playing your PS3 for the night. Prince Fielder = DH in the American League

  86. R+ November 15th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    I’d rather have Hank’s honesty instead of Girardi’s lying :)

  87. Jake November 15th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    yanksfanmc,

    why would we do that deal for Peavy when we weren’t willing to do Hughes, Melky, and Kennedy for Johan Santana?

  88. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 15th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Ed sumo-wrestling for fans after wins.

  89. Ed - sign CC immediately November 15th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    “Ed sumo-wrestling for fans after wins.”

    woohooo. lol….

  90. UtilityMan(#33 for AROD in 09) November 15th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Nicely put Kevin

  91. AP November 15th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    It’s not like Hank divulged the dollar amount or set a deadline or anything.

    I see nothing wrong in saying we will extend offers to all 3 of them. The media has been reporting the same thing for days.

  92. yanksfanmc November 15th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Boy, 2 posts and i get a lot of hostility.

  93. just on old fashion love song November 15th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Damon used to be a CF, and while he played that position last season for a good deal, it really isn’t his position anymore. He is better in left.

    Swisher played RF but did better at defense playing 1st, even though I am not a big fan of him doing that as his offense doesn’t thrill me, he is better suited defensively at 1st.

    A-Rod is too big to play SS now. He has gotten comfortable playing 3rd and does a fine job with it.

    Nady doesn’t really have the arm for RF. He is better suited for Left as well.

    Posada as C is what he has done for his career. Lets see if he can still play his position after his rehab before designating him a DH.

    Hudson, who knows how well he would do in the OF. It might work out very well.

  94. Ed - sign CC immediately November 15th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    Brandon, I think its stupid that Steve Nash has been suspended while he was trying stop the fight.

  95. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption November 15th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    “why would we do that deal for Peavy when we weren’t willing to do Hughes, Melky, and Kennedy for Johan Santana?”

    Well the reason Cashman has stated since that time was that he would have to give up valuable prospects AND a record setting contract. Peavy’s contract is pretty friendly. Why are we talking about this guy again? Didnt we go over the fact that he more likely than not isn’t being traded to the Yanks unless either the price goes down or every other team decides not to trade for him, ad nauseum ?

  96. Colin November 15th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    PHil Hughes tonight- 5IP-2H-0R-1BB-6K’s
    Reportedly throwing 94-95 the whole night.

  97. hank hal November 15th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Why not try out Pudge in CF?

  98. Nick in SF November 15th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    If you put Pudge in Center-Left and Swisher in Center-Right, you just need two outfielders.

  99. yanksfanmc November 15th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    Maybe next time we see Phil Franchise in the Bronx, he will have not forgotten the supposed 95mph gas in Scranton.

  100. harwood November 15th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    “Why not try out Pudge in CF?”

    Why not have Mariano play CF for the first 8 innings?

  101. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 15th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    “Brandon, I think its stupid that Steve Nash has been suspended while he was trying stop the fight.”

    Even stupid when T-Mac gets off scott-free it’s not like he was preventing anything.

  102. JOE November 15th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    swisher is just insurance, big tex sign a one year contract with the braves, waiting for giambi’s contract to run out, he was drafted by boston, went to georgia in stead, big mattingly and yankee fan, he has been waiting along time for this, this is a backroom deal, he will sign with yanks first, then the pitching, also look for garland to sign over lowe.

  103. Nick in SF November 15th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    “Why not have Mariano play CF for the first 8 innings?”

    I don’t want him throwing the ball back in, but otherwise I’m all for it.

  104. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 15th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Teix’s new home will be Washington,Baltimore or LA it’s that simple, his one thought is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  105. Ed - sign CC immediately November 15th, 2008 at 12:26 am

    “Even stupid when T-Mac gets off scott-free it’s not like he was preventing anything.”

    Agreed. damn refs! :evil:

  106. Ed - sign CC immediately November 15th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    “big tex sign a one year contract with the braves”

    shows what you know. he was TRADED.

  107. Patrick November 15th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    “Teix’s new home will be Washington,Baltimore or LA it’s that simple, his one thought is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$”

    Dang I didn’t know you knew him so well. Next time you hang out with him could you get his autograph for me? Thanks bro.

  108. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 15th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    “Dang I didn’t know you knew him so well. Next time you hang out with him could you get his autograph for me? Thanks bro.”

    No problem bro anything else ?

  109. Don November 15th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    Tex goes back to the Rangers for the 8/$140 they offered in 06.

  110. Nick in SF November 15th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    I heard that Tex occasionally thinks about his fantasy football roster too.

  111. John November 15th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Nick, are you actually in SF at the moment or in Vallejo, Pacifica, Minneapolis Airport etc?

  112. Nick in SF November 15th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    John, I am in SF proper at this moment. I strive for location accuracy as much as possible.

  113. Corey November 15th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Am I the only one that thinks Cashman secretly has a plan to sell high on Nady (for a bullpen arm), move Swisher to RF and give an offer to Tex still? If I was GM of this team that would have been my little plot…..maybe thats not why I’m the GM, but I think its a fabulous idea.

  114. john November 15th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    CC is the top priority, but i think they should go after Mark Teixeira before they offer Burnett or Lowe contracts. With the loss of Abreu and Giambi…another big bat is needed, and i’m sorry, Nick Swisher is not the answer.

  115. John November 15th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    lol, Nice

  116. RalphieD (Cant' Wait for Spring Training) November 15th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    “Am I the only one that thinks Cashman secretly has a plan to sell high on Nady (for a bullpen arm)”

    bullpen arm??? not exactly something we need..

  117. Patrick November 15th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Tex once told me that he prefers blonds over brunettes.

  118. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Jeremy Bleich is pithing for the beachboys to wrap up a spot in the Hawaiian League title game on sunday

    Beachboys lead 1-0 in the 2nd inning.

    Sublett is 0-1
    Bleich: 1 inning, 1 hit, 0 runs, 0 walks, 0 strikeouts. 2 out double in the first, stranded.

  119. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 15th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Jeremy Bleich protest vs ER continues ?

  120. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Bleich: 2 inning, 1 hit, 0 runs, 1 walks, 2 strikeouts. 36 pitches, 22 strikes, 14 balls

  121. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
    November 15th, 2008 at 1:10 am
    Jeremy Bleich protest vs ER continues ?

    __________________________________________________________

    I can’t believe that he’s so vindictive. He’s bound and determined to prove a few “pro scouts” and a lot of this board that whinned about the draft, wrong. I’m pretty excited about seeing him in Charleston, next season.

  122. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 1:26 am

    Bleich: 3 inning, 2 hits, 1 runs, 0 earned run, 1 walks, 2 strikeouts. two doubles, 36 pitches, 22 strikes, 14 balls

    Run scored on eror by Alonzo. two doubles so far tonight along with 3 warning track flies. Keep in mind, though, it’s a small ball park. 365 in the gaps and 385 to dead center.

  123. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 1:26 am

    47 pitches, 30 strikes, 17 balls.

  124. manny(yanksfan) November 15th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    I still think the Yankees aren’t out of the TEX bidding. CASHMONEY will surprise a lot of people.

  125. george November 15th, 2008 at 1:41 am

    i hope the Yankees remember that the last time they let Andy Pettitte walk, they brilliantly acquired Javy Vazquez and Kevin Brown. that worked out great.

  126. ray (sox fan) November 15th, 2008 at 1:42 am

    Interesting this evening on Fox Sports baseball analyst speculated that CC indeed ends up with Yankees, and that both Tex and Lowe end up with Boston.

    I’m not even sure I would want Lowe back.

  127. ray (sox fan) November 15th, 2008 at 1:43 am

    * meant to say baseball analyst Seth Everett

  128. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 1:45 am

    Bleich: 4 inning, 3 hits, 1 runs, 0 earned run, 3 walks, 2 strikeouts. 1 IBB, two doubles, 66 pitches, 37 strikes, 29 balls.

    Rough inning, ending with runner thrown out at the plate. Not his best outing, but, seems to know how to pitch out of jams. Best that I remember from his televised college games, he has close to an Andy Pettitte pickoff.

  129. ray (sox fan) November 15th, 2008 at 1:47 am

    Good evening GB7.

    Just curious, how old is Bleich?

  130. george November 15th, 2008 at 1:47 am

    “Just a word of warning: Making up “news” will get you banned.”

    or a “George King internship” at the NY Post.

  131. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 1:53 am

    ray (sox fan)
    November 15th, 2008 at 1:42 am
    Interesting this evening on Fox Sports baseball analyst speculated that CC indeed ends up with Yankees, and that both Tex and Lowe end up with Boston.

    I’m not even sure I would want Lowe back.

    ________________________________________________________

    It will be curious as to how Boston disposes of a 24 million dollar 3rd baseman with a bad hip. Add that to a highly overpriced backup shortstop, and, I don’t see it.

  132. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    ray (sox fan)
    November 15th, 2008 at 1:47 am
    Good evening GB7.

    Just curious, how old is Bleich?
    _________________________________________________________

    ewvening, Ray. Bleich will be 22 next June. He just picked off a runner from first. Talk about “right on cue”, huh?

  133. ray (sox fan) November 15th, 2008 at 1:55 am

    GB7

    We will give you Lugo for a Yankee dog and a bag of chips.

    Deal?

  134. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    Bleich: 5 inning, 5 hits, 2 runs, 0 earned runs, 3 walks, 2 strikeouts. 1 IBB, three doubles, 85 pitches, 48 strikes, 37 balls.

    He’s getting no help on defense. 3rd error, 2 unearned runs.

  135. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 2:04 am

    ray (sox fan)
    November 15th, 2008 at 1:55 am
    GB7

    We will give you Lugo for a Yankee dog and a bag of chips.

    Deal?

    __________________________________________________________

    You Red Sox fans are always trying to rip off Yankee fans.

  136. Tommy November 15th, 2008 at 2:07 am

    wtf care what alex wants?

  137. Eric November 15th, 2008 at 2:09 am

    Why are we going after Lowe and Burnett? Neither is a good pitcher. Burnett has ridiculous stuff, but that only translated into a 4 era because he does not have good command. He will be 32 at the start of next season and will probably want a 5 year deal. Do you really think he will still be hitting 98 on the gun when he is 37 years old? Signing Burnett has disaster written all over it when you factor in his injury history.

    Lowe is going to turn 36 years old next year and he was terrible last time he pitched in the AL. He will want at least a 3 year deal and it’s almost guaranteed he will lose a few ticks off his sinker between now and then.

    The problem is that including Pettitte and Joba who is only “half” a starter, if they can land CC they are still 1.5 pitchers short. Ideally they would have 6 pitchers to start the season + Hughes as the 7th man when someone inevitably gets injured. Swinging a trade or signing someone like Freddy Garcia (not saying they should sign Garcia, just someone who can give innings and put up a ~4.5 era) to a 1-2 year deal seems like the best option.

  138. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Bleich’s final numbers for the night

    Bleich: 5 inning, 5 hits, 2 runs, 0 earned runs, 3 walks, 2 strikeouts. 1 IBB, three doubles, 85 pitches, 48 strikes, 37 balls.

    Bleich’s final numbers for the year.

    7 games, 7 starts, 36.2 innings, 29 hits, 10 runs, 7 earned runs, 1 home run, 12 walks, 33 strikeouts, WHIP is under 1.15. ERA is 1.77. All in all, he had a very successful year, there, especially since he had very little experience in Staten Island. He only had 1 game and 3 innings.

    Bleich’s final numbers for the night

  139. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    Eric
    November 15th, 2008 at 2:09 am
    Why are we going after Lowe and Burnett? Neither is a good pitcher. Burnett has ridiculous stuff, but that only translated into a 4 era because he does not have good command. He will be 32 at the start of next season and will probably want a 5 year deal. Do you really think he will still be hitting 98 on the gun when he is 37 years old? Signing Burnett has disaster written all over it when you factor in his injury history.

    Lowe is going to turn 36 years old next year and he was terrible last time he pitched in the AL. He will want at least a 3 year deal and it’s almost guaranteed he will lose a few ticks off his sinker between now and then.

    The problem is that including Pettitte and Joba who is only “half” a starter, if they can land CC they are still 1.5 pitchers short. Ideally they would have 6 pitchers to start the season + Hughes as the 7th man when someone inevitably gets injured. Swinging a trade or signing someone like Freddy Garcia (not saying they should sign Garcia, just someone who can give innings and put up a ~4.5 era) to a 1-2 year deal seems like the best option.

    ________________________________________________________

    Yeah…sign Freddie Garcia, because he has no injury history.

  140. Mike M November 15th, 2008 at 2:27 am

    Sign Sabathia, dont sign the other 2, send cano and 2 others to the giants for cain. sign hudson to 2b, throw money @ tex, and play swisher in cf if he signs, or have 2 of christianson/gardner/melky platoon if u dont trade them for cain.

  141. Eric November 15th, 2008 at 2:31 am

    GB, you must have missed where I said I was not advocating signing Garcia, I said someone like him……. let me rephrase that, the Yankees need to sign a stopgap. They should not be looking to sign a mediocre starter to a long contract. Their farm system is stocked with SP. Obviously most of them will not pan out, but what are we going to do with them when 3 or 4 out of our 5 pitchers are signed to multi-year, $10 mil+ deals? We should not be signing free agents just because they are “the best available”, when the best available is not that good. Haven’t we learned already that throwing money at our problems isn’t the best solution?

  142. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 2:42 am

    If you didn’t have Garcia in mind, why mention him, when there are better choices? Sorry, but, I’ll take Burnett over anyone left after sabathia….including Peavey.

  143. chriistopher November 15th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    with all this pitching talk, i hope the yanks have an eye on offense although i can see them waitinh intil January to deal with the second tier offensive guys

    particularly Dunn who will be the best buy this off season (think of how much ryan howard would get and then compare the stats. very very close and yet howard is a perennial mvp candidate and dunn is someone with no love for the game)

    hudson – only if cano is traded, defensively he is better, but there will be a sttep drop in offense there. unless cano is the cenrterpiece for a major deal than i shy away from hudson.

    Tex – dont see it happening unless the bidding does not go north of 7 years

    Manny – okay, get the laughunhg out of your system. if the yanks traded matsui (15 million)and took on manny at 3 years 90 million – it would be only a 15 million dollar hit and one that can be absorbed next year when damon leaves.
    I am jumping back on the manny badwagon because of the great affect i can see him having on this line-up. Besides CC, which player who is available would excite you more than a signing of Manny Ramirez.

    2 pitchers and 2 hitters for next season.

  144. Eric November 15th, 2008 at 2:55 am

    Garcia was a bad example, it’s 3 am and i’m tired…. I would rather have someone like Paul Byrd than Burnett. Obviously Burnett is miles better than Byrd, but signing Burnett will kill their flexibility for the future. You know that Byrd will give you about 200 innings of league average ball, and you can slot him into the #4 slot ahead of Joba. A rotation of CC / Wang / Pettitte / Byrd / Joba is not bad at all, and we are not blocking all the prospects that we have in the minor leagues for the next half decade. If the Yankees make it into the playoffs you have CC / Wang / Joba as your top 3, which is by far the best playoff rotation they have had since 2003.

  145. no.27 November 15th, 2008 at 4:30 am

    Lowe is not better than Pettitte. If the Yankees don’t sign Andy, I hope he goes to the Dodgers to show Cashman how easy it is to put up easy numbers in that crappy division. Lowe is going have a terrible season if he is in the AL East next year.

    Burnett is 31 and has had 3 seasons in his ENTIRE CAREER without missing significant time. That’s a guy I would definitely bet $54 million on being healthy over the next 4 years.

    But definitely stay away from Teixeira. Why would you want a player that is one of the best offensive AND best defensive players at his position that is a switch hitter in his prime with consistent numbers and has no history of injury problems?

  146. E-Man November 15th, 2008 at 4:46 am

    Why Lowe or Burnett? Neither are really THAT great.. Why not just throw some big offer at Moose and try and get him back for another year? I’m sure we could get him for less years than either of those two.

  147. RockinDaBronx November 15th, 2008 at 5:48 am

    Hank is trying to over compensate for losing Santana. He also needs to learn to shut his big Yapper. What a dope.

  148. Guiseppe Franco November 15th, 2008 at 6:03 am

    Count me among those who think signing Lowe and/or Burnett is a terrible idea.

    Both would prove to be big time mistakes whether they are the best free agents available after Sabathia or not.

    I’d prefer to see them find someone else via the trade market or hope that Moose changes his mind and decides to return.

  149. Temple of Doom November 15th, 2008 at 6:22 am

    Gawd, half of the line-up is collecting social security.

  150. MJR (Shut Up Steve Phillips) November 15th, 2008 at 6:41 am

    WHY LOWE?!!!!

    “coming of several good years” is great when you’re 25. Lowe is 36!

    CC
    Wang
    AJ (?)
    Andy
    Hughes/(?)

    Stick Andy in there and see who we can get next year.

  151. Todd November 15th, 2008 at 8:10 am

    Is CC short for Crispy Cream???????????? Anyway, hope he says Si, Si to Yanks offer!!!!

  152. Todd November 15th, 2008 at 8:13 am

    I hope Yanks pursue Tex….Not often you can just buy a young Gold Glove, switch hitting 1B, who hits .300 with 33 Hrs and 121 RBI……….

  153. joeman November 15th, 2008 at 8:30 am

    don’t know about Burnett…for some reason when I look at him I see a possible Pavano

  154. Drive 4-5 November 15th, 2008 at 8:33 am

    And he looks sooo innocent…

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/11.....138828.htm

  155. joeman November 15th, 2008 at 8:33 am

    said it many times….Yankees need a 1st baseman,centerfield,2 SP’S,lefthanded RP & a utility man( ) who plays all positions

    got two done so far

  156. joeman November 15th, 2008 at 8:42 am

    is it possible the Yankees package Cano for Peavy & sign Hudson…I think a BIG surprise is coming

  157. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    joeman
    November 15th, 2008 at 8:42 am
    I think a BIG surprise is coming
    ___________________________________________________________

    The biggest surprise would be if you posted something that made sense.

  158. Mark in Tampa November 15th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Why are so many so quick to dump Cano? He cannot be replaced. He had a bad year. Big deal, so did everybody else, except Mo. Hudson is not equal to Cano. The only 2B who is clearly better than Cano going forward from here, is Utley.

  159. Trevor November 15th, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Sabathia
    Wang
    Peavey
    Joba
    Pettitte

  160. joeman November 15th, 2008 at 9:11 am

    the guy that plays 2nd base for the Red Sox isn’t bad

  161. Mark in Tampa November 15th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    Looking at the proposed Atlanta-Peavy deal, there should be no reason to give up Cano to get him; if that is the direction the Yanks are looking. Braves were going to give up a so-so infielder, injured young starter, a reliever, and a Class A outfielder. Towers put himself in a bad position by saying Peavy would be dealt by December, so it is likely that he won’t get any offers better than the Braves. Kind of like the Mets getting Santana for less than the Yanks or Boston would have given up last year.

  162. Mark in Tampa November 15th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    “the guy that plays 2nd base for the Red Sox isn’t bad”

    No, he isn’t bad, but *clearly* better than Cano? This year he was, but, IMO, Cano is more talented and will be better over the balance of their careers.

  163. 56Bomber November 15th, 2008 at 9:22 am

    “Why are so many so quick to dump Cano? He cannot be replaced. He had a bad year. ”

    Actually, he had a horrible April. He hit nearly .300 if you just throw out the April numbers – despite a poor May and June.

  164. joeman November 15th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    just saying the Yankees are not out of a Peavy trade…Cashman was said to have spent a lot of time talking to Towers last week…

    Towers..on the 13th of Nov

    The Padres have been unable to line up a trade with one of Jake Peavy’s preferred teams and next could turn elsewhere to move the ace pitcher’s four-year, $63 million guarantee amid apparent financial duress.

    “We’ve had advanced discussions with the Cubs and Braves, which are Jake’s priority teams,” General Manager Kevin Towers said Thursday night, “but at this point in time, I do not see a potential deal with either club.”

    The Yankees and Angels could be next in line, but that doesn’t necessarily mean Towers’ job will become easier.

    At season’s end, Peavy said he doesn’t want to go to the American League. His agent, Barry Axelrod, said a few days later that Peavy has a “strong, strong, strong preference” to stay in the National League.

    During the GM meetings last week, Towers said that Peavy, 27, might be open to going to the Yankees or Angels.

    If the Yankees and Angels become viable trade partners, Towers’ leverage would increase, but because Peavy’s consent is needed for a trade, that leverage hinges on Peavy as well.

  165. Mark in Tampa November 15th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    I am not a Peavy fan because of the home/away/NL numbers, and the fact that he seems reluctant to come to the AL. Is it because he doesn’t think he can handle the lineups, or is it just because he is used to the routines and cities and so forth?

    However, if the Yanks have signed CC, and have Wang and Joba; Peavy is fine as the number 3 starter. In reality, if not for innings limits, Joba is the 3. In that case, Peavy is as good a 4 as anybody in either league. But to trade for him as a backup in case they don’t get CC? No way!

  166. joeman November 15th, 2008 at 9:44 am

    they sign CC and trade for Peavy ( who is much better than Lowe & Burnett)Lowe age & Burnett injuries, they want to add two SP’s taking Pettitte & Moose out of the loop for now

  167. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009 and show CC the money (and food)! November 15th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Again,keep Peavy away from us.

  168. RhapsodyInBlue November 15th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    “are they prepared to leave Andy Pettitte by the side of the road?”

    Whatever the outcome of the free agent signings, they can’t leave Andy hanging.

  169. RhapsodyInBlue November 15th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    They waterboarded Hank.

  170. Braintrust November 15th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    The Yanks know they are probably not going to get all three, but they can get two out of the three if the money is there. It looks now as if Pettitte is a fifth starter option, which isn’t bad if he’s your fifth starter. Andy should be patient though. He made the Yankees wait for his decision last year, and the team stuck with him through controversy. I’m sure he’ll know where he stands before Thanksgiving.

  171. Yankee Trader November 15th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Peavy’s arm action and prior arm injuries, plus relying on the slider, equate to possible Tommy John surgery in the future.
    No to Peavy and No to Sheets.

  172. Yankee Trader November 15th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    “Peavy’s arm action and delivery (the two big parts of a pitchers mechanics) are absolutely awful and remind me of Mark Prior’s “winged” arm action when he breaks his hands. After Peavy’s hands break, he leads the backward movement of his throwing arm with his elbow and not his hand. Why is this important? Because when a pitcher leads with the elbow, his arm does not get into the high cocked position ready to throw until it is too late, after his front foot lands. Then, the pitcher needs to “rush” his motion to help deliver the ball. This type of arm motion eventually leads to elbow AND shoulder injuries.

    Also, the fact that he throws a slider almost every other pitch is cause for concern on the elbow, too.

    And Peavy has had elbow problems twice in his career, most recently this past season in which he missed four weeks with an elbow strain. During the 2006 season, he missed several starts with shoulder tendonitis. And in 2004, he missed five starts after a mass formed in his right forearm just above the elbow. Isn’t that similar to Billy Wagner, forearm tightness near the elbow?”

    Former post by blogger on the Joba Rule’s

  173. Mark in Tampa November 15th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    I would take Peavy or Sheets to be essentially our no. 4 starter, but not unless CC was already there. That would leave:

    Sabathia
    Wang
    Joba
    Peavy/Sheets
    Pettitte/Aceves/Hughes

    I would rather have Peavy or Sheets than Lowe. Of course, if SD is asking for more from us than they were asking from Atlanta, forget it. I have Joba as 3 because of talent, but he will of course slot as 5 because of innings.

  174. Doreen November 15th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    This morning’s Star Ledger reported that Yankees and Pettitte’s agents have been in contact. They are working out the money. Yankees want to cut his salary, evidently.

  175. Jerry from Queens November 15th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Agree with you Yankee Trader on Peavy. Also, Peavy’s overall stuff is slightly above average. He does not have one swing and miss pitch that he can use when the going gets tough. He will have an ERA around low to mid 4 pitching against AL teams. Sheet is a MAX effort pitcher and his delivery is not smooth. Way too much strain on his shoulder every time he throws. His best days are behind him.

    AJ on the other hand has a very smooth delivery. He should be a much better long term option at the top of the rotation. He reminds me of Jason Schmitt when he was first traded to SF in terms of potential productivity. Let’s hope Yankees can sign him and he will have many great years for the Yankees.

  176. Tarheelyank November 15th, 2008 at 10:19 am

    After signing CC, Cashman should should check out a deal with the Padres or Diamonbacks. The NL West is in firesale mode. It seems that they are desparate to cut salary. Any deal for Peavey should include Gonzalez. A Dan Haren,Conor Jackson trade would also be nice. Only If the cost of those trades could be done with Cano and Hughes coming off our 25 man, plus 3 or 4 of our top ten minors. I like Robbie, Hughes and Ajax a lot, but Either of those trades would be better then the risk associated with signing Burnett or Lowe.

  177. GreenBeret7 November 15th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    Doreen
    November 15th, 2008 at 10:12 am
    This morning’s Star Ledger reported that Yankees and Pettitte’s agents have been in contact. They are working out the money. Yankees want to cut his salary, evidently
    ________________________________________________________

    I’d guess something around, 10-11 million a year. Still much cheaper than what Lowe would cost probably better numbers than Lowe will put up.

  178. Joe from Long Island November 15th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Doreen – I’m not surprised about the Yanks and Andy’s agent talking. What it does suggest to me is that the Yanks are ready to strike fast to make a statement to CC and rest of the FAs that they mean business.

  179. Fran November 15th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Doreen – I could see the Yanks giving Andy an incentive based contract. Then if he does have any arm trouble, they won’t be on the hook for much money.

  180. Mark Alan November 15th, 2008 at 10:28 am

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  181. Mark in Tampa November 15th, 2008 at 10:43 am

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  182. Knudson November 15th, 2008 at 10:45 am

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    Easy to just say no but how about saying who. Yanks currently have 2 starters one of which is Joba who has an innings limit and Wang who is returning from an injury.

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    The Yankees aren’t trading Cano, one of the best pure hitters they’ve ever produced. Utley is a good comparison.

    Someone here comparing Pedroia favorably with Cano does not understand how to evaluate talent.

    Cano will have an elite career as a hitter, and is a gifted athlete. Pedroia is a good player – but they’re not in the same league.

    There’s a foundation for the comparisons with Carew and Gwynn that apparently elude people on this and other boards.

    Most fans don’t really understand hitting, or the difference between good and great. If a player on their own team’s potential greatness isn’t necessarily reflected in terms of power hitting, then they REALLY tend to miss the good/great differential.

    If they got it, you wouldn’t see these ridiculous trade ideas.

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    A source tells Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com that the Yankees have had “numerous discussions” with the Padres about Jake Peavy.

    Rosenthal claims that Padres GM Kevin Towers had a conversation with the Yankees’ Brian Cashman at the general managers’ meetings earlier this month. Towers told Cashman that he’d discuss a deal with the Yankees after working through a list of National League teams. With the Braves bowing out, it appears discussions with New York are now on. Nov. 15 – 10:40 am et

  186. Glenn November 15th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Should it turn out that A.J. Burnett goes elsewhere, Derek Lowe can suffice until any of Phil Hughes, Zach McAllister, and Delin Betances show they are major league ready.

  187. joeman November 15th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    before we start calling Cano a elite hitter, and a gifted athlete lets see him preform that way a few years…no question he could be, but he really has problems keeping his head in the game at times…

    CC
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    Peavy
    Joba
    Pettitte

  188. Knudson November 15th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Pat,

    I would re-sign Pettitte rather than Lowe….Lowe has done ok in an incredibly weak NL West but will get lit up in the AL East at this point in his career. I would wait on another pitching acquisition (other than CC) to see if Moose really isn’t coming back…

    In any event, if the Red Sox, who do far better due diligence than the Yankees, pass on Lowe (as Boston is the destination of his choice) it speaks volumes.

    If CC turns down the Yankees, we are in trouble, pitchingwise, under any scenario. Then, there will be more reliance on the youngsters.

  189. bodhisattva November 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am

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  190. Bret the Hitman November 15th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    The most likely combo is CC, Burnett and Pettitte.

    The second most likely is CC, Lowe and Pettitte.

    No matter what we’re going to see Pettitte because he’s the only guy willing to take a short deal that leaves room for Hughes to step in.

    If they sign CC, Burnett and Lowe (instead of Petttitte) then Hughes has no spot in the rotation for the next 3-4 years. He’d be blocked for the duration of the Lowe deal. That makes no sense.

    This is our most likely rotation from 2009-2010:

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    Burnett/Lowe
    Chamberlain
    Pettitte
    (Hughes in AAA)

    2010

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    Chamberlain
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    Hughes
    (Pettitte contract expired)

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  193. www.spinsurance.com November 15th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

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  194. Jeff November 15th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    One of the biggest knocks on both the Yankees and Yankee fans has always that we are laughably impatient. Perhaps this is just a reflection of life in New York City as we know it. But I think we all just need to calm down. Seriously.

    Why do we change our minds so much? I thought we finally came to our senses and realized why the rest of the league made so much fun of us for giving away all our young talent for washed-up veterans. And now, after ONE playoff-less season, it seems as if we’re willing to ship off Hughes, Cano, Melky, Kennedy, etc. for more established players who may or may not fulfill our expectations.

    Cano had ONE off-year and now everyone is talking about trading him or getting him to learn another position.

    Hughes had an injury-plagued season and never really had a chance to find his groove.

    I mean who in the world doesn’t want C.C., Burnett, Lowe, Tex, Peavy, and everyone else people on this thread have been calling for. In a perfect world, we’d have all of them. And then if they flop, we’ll be complaining about spending that much money on veterans. Again.

    Can we just all calm down and have some faith in our team and our decision-makers?

  195. Jack November 15th, 2008 at 8:21 pm

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    Teixeira,1B
    Arod,3B
    Nady,RF
    Matsui,DH
    Kemp,2B
    Posada,C
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  196. mike November 15th, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Ok how about we sign CC, Lowe and Manny. Trade Matsui For pitching and Go with Damon and Manny sharing time for DH/LF. The Rotation would look like this..
    1.cc
    2.Wang
    3.Lowe
    4.Chamberlain
    5.Pettite

    CC gets 6 for 150mil
    Lowe gets 4 at 75mil
    Manny gets 4 at 80 with incentives and a team option of 18 million with a 8 million dollar buyout

  197. Jack November 16th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    The Yankees main priority is starting pitching. Their pitching sucked in 2008. As I watched them suck in 2008 I thought that this offseason is going to be crazy. Here is what we need to do sign Sabathia, Burnett, Lowe, Pettitte, trade Hughes and Kennedy for Peavy and include the signing of Marte and the the Swisher trade and were good to go. All we need to do is have Moose retire. So here is the perfect team.

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    Posada,C
    Cano,2B
    Swisher,1B
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    CC
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    Wang
    Lowe
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