Lots of cake for the big lefty
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- November
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Here is the message the Yankees are sending the rest of baseball:
Don’t. Even. Try.
The Yankees have offered CC Sabathia a six-year deal worth $140 million. The record for a pitcher is six years and $137.5 million for Johan Santana. Don’t be surprised if CC ends up with $150 million, or an average of $25 million a year.
That the Yankees are opening with a record-setting offer indicates how serious they are about landing Sabathia. Do not expect an answer this weekend as agent Greg Genske needs to shop it around. But as the Dodgers dance with Manny and the Angels tango with Teixeira, what team could top that? There is a sense around baseball that it’s only a matter of time before the Yankees get this done.
Sabathia indicated several weeks ago that he does not plan to make this a drawn-out process. The Yankees, by their actions today, are in full agreement.
There are indications the Yankees will open negotiations with Derek Lowe and A.J. Burnett by early next week. When Brian Cashman says he wants multiple starters, he very well could mean Sabathia, Lowe or Burnett and Andy Pettitte.
That would close the door to Teixeira and Ramirez. But I’m not sure those doors were ever much open to start with.
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Get ‘er done.
Let’s get him signed and into a Yankees uniform immediately and then send Burnett an hour he can’t refuse.
Bring on the cake! That would give the Yankees their best rotation in a very long time.
CC, Wang, Joba, Burnett, Pettitte/Hughes
Nasty.
Pete,
Don’t forget that the Yanks could shed some more salary if they see a bat they want. Cashman talked about the O being the problem all season and he hasn’t forgotten it.
lots of does for CC
hope he can still perform in NY
“Change we can believe in”
CC Sabathia for slot #1 in Yankees Rotation 09’
Wow…
No screwing around this offseason. Cash is ready to go right out of the gate.
this is nice to hear. the yankees desperately need sabathia. i believe pettite will sign as well for a reasonable deal. but as for getting burnett/lowe. they scare me. they are going to want too much money, even if its not many years. AJ’s injury risks a big concern, and lowe’s perforance might change in the AL east/NY. the tex money is too much with cc. we need to rely on our farm system to fill some holes. not everything can be done via free agency.
Please do not let the Yankees sign Burnett. It will not work out well, mark it down.
CC
CMW
Burnett
Pettitte
Joba/Hughes
Wow!!!!!!
Also, the ball is in CC’s court. If he has no intention of playing in NY, he will turn down the first offer, because it surely will not be about the money.
Frankly, I half expect him to turn it down.
AJ and Lowe scare you but whats the alternatives? depend on the rookies again? NO THANKS!
He’s not gonna turn it down.
Im really annoyed that the yanks arent even considering sheets – Lowe will be completely ineffective in the AL East. he will end up being a fifth starter when we really need a third starter. Pettitte is almost an unknown at this point as to what he will give us next yr and joba is not going to even be able to start every five days. Id rather get no one and give hughes a chance than waste a ton of money on Lowe. Not to mention, we may end up getting into a bidding war with the sox for him – let the sox waste their money and sign Lowe. Sheets will prolly only need two to three yr deal to sign which could give us the extra cash to sign Tex or manny or look for another option for center.
What good is signing Sheets if he can’t pitch? He has a torn tendon around his elbow. He has elected not to have surgery.
In other words, he is a ticking time bomb. Why in the world would the Yankees want to run that risk?
This offer shouldnt really surprise anyone who knows what is going on – we need cc. This is not a luxury at this point. not to mention, cash just signed a new contract and claimed he would do whatever it takes to get the yankees to a championship – then, the first thing he did this off season pretty much was sign swisher basically bowing out of the teixera race,
Can CC bat 3rd?
sheets has serious health issues
CC Sabathia is a Yankee for sure.
I would rather have Texeiria, but I’m happy with this signing. He should help this team for a very long time.
He didn’t sign yet.
Wow, lots of cake indeed – or chedda, whichever you prefer. Git er done!!
We NEED a bat in addition to the pitching. Cash has lost it if he thinks Swisher is the answer for the gaping hole in the offense.
Yea, really there is no surprise here. Other than the offer being made so quickly, the amount should be no surprise to anybody that has a clue as to what is going on in the baseball world.
Basically, the Yankees are forcing CC to choose between the Yanks or everybody else.
If he turns this down without any other offers in the same range then he clearly does not want to be here.
If CC turns it down while having comparable offers I can see the Yankees making one more ridiculous offer and then saying take it or leave it and then moving on.
I do NOT want Lowe at all.
Here is my take on CC and Burnett.
CC: At first, I was very nervous about the amount of innings he has logged in his career. But then I came to the realization that the Yankees absolutely need a guy like this. Plus, he it is only money we are giving up, and that is fine by me (nothing coming out of my pocket, lol).
Burnett: I was very worried about his durability to begin with, and the fact that his ERA was not superb is a bit of a worry. But, even though I think it would be risky to sign him, if this deal pans out, we could be looking at a nice young pitcher for 5 years, in his prime.
Lowe: I just do not want anymore old guys, simple as that.
CC, Wang, Burnett, Joba, Pettite. That is my ideal rotation for 2009.
I can’t figure the fascination with Ben Sheets.
In his walk year, he couldn’t finish the season because of pain in his pitching elbow. That must have been really painful, else why would he lower his contract value? How does anyone know that he wouldn’t pull a Schilling – sign a contract then disclose a surgical problem? Why, when there are other options, why the fascination with him? Yeah, it’s disappointing, especially for him and his family, but that’s the way it is.
I don’t get it. It doesn’t matter how little he would sign for, compared to others, if he can’t pitch.
I will be disappointed if we don’t get Texeira. He fills so many needs- a number 3 hitter, .324 career with RISP (something lacking with the yankees for the past 8 years), switch hitter, great defense at 1st base, it just makes too much sense. As much as people like to blame the pitching for missing the playoffs last year, the offense was a big problem, too. They would run up the score against weak teams, but when they faced good pitchers, they couldn’t scratch out those runs.
If the Yankees get Burnett and CC, they will have 3 pitchers in the rotation with the potential to win 20 games. Plus Joba who has as good of stuff as any of them.
That’d be pretty sick and is probably a good way to go, imho. The Yanks still need another bat, maybe Abreu at a shorter deal, or I know I am in the minority here, but I think Adam Dunn is at least worth looking at, especially since he could shift to DH after Matsui’s contract expires.
How are the yankees planning to replace the production from Giambi and Abreu?
I think the Yanks did get rid of a gaping hole in their lineup.
They didn’t pick up the option on Jason Giambi.
Am I the only one who remembers the countless number of times he struck out with a RISP, or grounded into the shift because he refused to try to go the other way? Or the number of innings he prolonged because of poor defense. Or how he didn’t hit at all for, what, the first half of the season.
LOL, As Pete has obviously censored my last attempt:
Good start
Money talks, horsepucky walks
Pete,
You and Jon Heyman have totally different views as to Manny. You state “the door is closed”, Jon states “the Yankees remain interested…” http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hot_stove/posts/23422
Is this your opinion or do you have a source? Please clarify and thank you.
“Cash has lost it if he thinks Swisher is the answer for the gaping hole in the offense.”
Did Cash ever say that Swisher was “the answer” to anything? He got him for virtually nothing and people are complaining. Give me a break.
Eventually I can get my head around it if the Yankees don’t pursue Tiexiera. All he is is a an excellent player, in his prime and the ideal replacement for the #3 position in the lineup. That’s all.
I will never get my head around rewarding Manny Ramirez, a player who purposely cheated to lose by depriving his team of his best effort, with a contract for one red cent. I could care less what Don Mattingly or anyone else has to say about Manny Ramirez.What we witnessed from him is a disgrace to the game.
It aint happening, thankfully.
Best of luck to Nick Swisher. May he be another Scott Brosius.
dave
November 14th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Im really annoyed that the yanks arent even considering sheets – Lowe will be completely ineffective in the AL East. he will end up being a fifth starter when we really need a third starter. Pettitte is almost an unknown at this point as to what he will give us next yr and joba is not going to even be able to start every five days. Id rather get no one and give hughes a chance than waste a ton of money on Lowe. Not to mention, we may end up getting into a bidding war with the sox for him – let the sox waste their money and sign Lowe. Sheets will prolly only need two to three yr deal to sign which could give us the extra cash to sign Tex or manny or look for another option for center.
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sheets is literally a few pitches away from tj surgery.
the yankees didn’t finish that far behind boston with absolutely no pitching at all.
i hope these huge contracts don’t come back to kill them.
they are signing contracts that they will never in a million years be able to move if needed.that is not smart business.
they will sign sabathia,burnett and another good pitcher and still only be neck and neck with boston while boston will make a few very smart moves and pull ahead of the yankees again.
these are not very smart contracts they are dealing with.
they put themselves in this position.everybody is getting excited with the idea of signing all these players but not realizing the potential disaster including all the writers.
the yankees need one good ace and a few 4 era pitchers and that ace doesn’t have to be sabathia.
Vince, good points. Lowe is 35 years old. His stuff is ordinary at best even though he has the heart to compete. However, day in and day out against AL hitting, he will get beat up silly. He does not have swing and miss stuff that CC and AJ has and should maintain for some time.
If Yankees can get CC and AJ, Yankees will have signed a #1 and a #2 starter. Along with Wang who is a #1A starter and Joba with the potential to be a #1 or #2 starter, this is a very strong rotation. Potentially if Pettite can sign for around $8MM, this could be a deep rotation with upside on the top. Remember the good Yankee rotations of:
Clemens, Pettite, Mussina, Wells, back in the days? That’s what we need to be a consistent winner.
Ariel: I don’t comment on what other people write. I write what I write and I do so based on what I am told.
Hank Steinbrenner himself said yesterday the Yankees were not making an offer to Manny. Never once have I heard Brian Cashman express interest in Manny. That’s all I can tell you. The Yankees in general seem not to want expensive, old DH types.
Vrse: I didn’t censor anything. Your post got stuck in the filter because you used an obscene word. Don’t do that.
Meanwhile, why can’t people figure out that Ben Sheets is hurt? He ended the season unable to pitch because of an elbow injury. You want to give a contract to a guy with an elbow injury? This isn’t rocket science.
And stop pining away for Abreu. He could get three years from somebody. The Yankees are not giving him three years, nor should they.
Seems to me that this is more about selling those unsold luxury boxes before the economy gets worse than it is about the team.
bru, Yankees does not need to have a few 4 era pitchers with out upside. They need power arm front of rotation starters. This will allow Brackman and Betances time to develop and potentially turn into front of rotation starters in 2-3 years. Because Yankees are behind Bosox in terms of current talent and farm system, Yankees have no choice but to sign high end FA to close the gap in order to be competitive.
“I will never get my head around rewarding Manny Ramirez, a player who purposely cheated to lose by depriving his team of his best effort, with a contract for one red cent.”
Before Manny was traded he put up an OPS of .937 and had an OPS+ of 136. Yeah that’s dispicable. He was supposedly dogging it but had a higher OPS than EVERY player on the Yankees not named Alex Rodriguez.
Drive 4-5
I feel the same way about Manny and how he weasled his way out of Boston. Totally unprofessional. If there is such a thing as the “Yankee Way,” he will never be in pinstripes.
However, I am a Yankee fan, and I have no control over what they do. If they get Manny, I won’t stop being a Yankee fan, but I will be sorely disappointed. That will mean nothing to them, though.
I agree Doreen on all your points concerning Manny. A man is only as good as his word.
If the Angels don’t land Teixeira, it’ll be to the team that offers the most money close to home-Orioles? Nationals?
Boston doesn’t really need him.
Angels need hitting, not another starter with Lackey, Saunders, Weaver and Santana.
Manny will stay in LA- he’s a celebrity there. Dodgers keep him and can trade Pierre, Kemp or Ethier for other parts. Andruw Jones they’re stuck with. Don’t see Manny’s interest in the Yankees,as he’d be the #3 macho man behind Jeter and A-Rod. Manny could be a fallback option for Angels but would need to DH, or learn how to play 1st.
Big Yes and hope for Sabathia coming to the Yankees.
Yes to Burnett, worth the risk and close to his wife’s home in Baltimore. Not keen on Lowe.
Adam Dunn can’t field. In Yankee stadium, even if he didn’t always try for a homerun, he’d hit 40 a year. We’d have to move Matsui, which is about as likely as the Sox being able to move Lowell to make room for Teixeira.
Would be most happy with a starting rotation of:
Sabathia
Burnett
Wang
Joba
Mussina/Pettitte
Would like the Yankees to try and pry outfielder Carlos Gonzalez, from his new team the Rockies.
If we sign Sabathia 25M?, Burnett 16M? Pettitte 11M? those three plus the players due for raises and arbitration will put the payroll at around the target of 185 million.
Then trade some of our minor league pitching surplus for young athletic position players.
Thoughts?
If Yankees sign both CC and AJ, Yankees will lose their 1st and 2nd round draft picks. However, if all things go accordingly, Yankees can pick up a few picks as well.
If Abreu is signed by another team, Yankees can gain a 1st round S pick and either a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick depending on the team that signed him. Yankees must offer him salary arbritration.
If Pettite is signed by another team, Yankees can gain a similar package to that of Abreu is Yankees offer him salary arbritration.
Is CC going to hit too?
He may need to now, with how anemic our offense is shaping up to be. So he may get his wish after all and get to bat. I bet he could put up better numbers than Gardner or Swisher.
So Pete, what do you think the plan is to replace the 175+ runs and 175+ RBIs from Abrue and Giambi? I have heard they think that with posada and Matsui healthy and Cano back to normal they “should” be fine. But can they really believe that? I am just not sold on the lineup of hopefullies.
I know that you said Manny is a no cause Hank said so, but Hank also said that ARod was gone last year, but he came back. I am not saying that Manny is the answer, but what, in your opinion is?
Yankee Trader, good thinking and let’s hope this plan works.
I don’t see other than a salary dump that Yankees can pick up an athletic position player. Yankees must dump some old players first such as Matsui, Damon and Nady.
Pete,
Ariel: I don’t comment on what other people write. I write what I write and I do so based on what I am told.
Hank Steinbrenner himself said yesterday the Yankees were not making an offer to Manny. Never once have I heard Brian Cashman express interest in Manny. That’s all I can tell you. The Yankees in general seem not to want expensive, old DH types.
In your post of yesterday you stated “A big Manny fan a few weeks ago, Little Stein admits the Yankees aren’t going to make him an offer. “Not yet. It might be advantageous to do at some point,†he said.
All Hank really said was “not now, maybe later”. That is quite different than saying we are not making an offer,period, and “the door is closed”. I would therefore conclude the statement that the “door is shut” is based on your reasoned judgment as a reporter covering the Yankees.
Gardner is going to be a catalyst for our offense next year. He will hit .250ish with 15 doubles, 6 triples, 50 steals, 37 RBIs and GG defense.
“And stop pining away for Abreu. He could get three years from somebody. The Yankees are not giving him three years, nor should they.”
I just dont get it obviously pitching should be the emphasis, however we cannot ignore the offense. Swisher is a player who at best gets on base a fair amount with decent power and RBI potential. He does not make up for losing Abreu(.300 BA/.380 OBP) guaranteed each season or Giambi 30+ HR’s and close to 100 RBI. I just dont get where the offense is coming from next year. Heres the run-down. Damon- can hit well and play a decent LF, however he is getting up in age. Jeter- Decreasing skills at short and a slightly above hitter nowadays, no longer an all-world shortstop. A-Rod- possibly the best player in the game with not much help in the line-up puts too much pressure on himself to carry the offense. Nady- Decent hitter with solid power however the league started to pitch him differently and he struggles down the stretch. Matsui- coming off 2 knee surgeries can still swing the bat but is no longer an option in the field. Posada- coming off labrum surgery, liability in the field decreasing power and skills. Cano- young hitter power potential coming off terrible offensive year he could have a comeback year or stink again. Swisher- possible power threat switch hitter, moderate fielder bad BA strikes out a ton. Brett Gardner- small slap hitter, lethal speed however can’t get on base to use speed. How is anyone confident in that group of players with 0 additions?
Damon, Jeter, Swisher, ARod, Posada, Matsui, Nady, Cano, Gardner is far from anemic. Could be better but not anemic. It allows Posada to switch with swish at first so he can be in the lineup everyday. Our only offensive priority should be a center fielder. Once we know what FA SP’s we have locked up we should try to trade some pitching prospects for a legitimate center field prospect.
Hate to say it, but McClouth would work.
RayMagnetic,
I won’t get into a Manny Ramirez argument. Enough has been written since 2006 about the dirtbag I’ll let David Ortiz’s words this week speak for me.
On another subject, I wonder what it would take to get David DeJesus from Kansas City. He’d fit the bill nicely in center field and would be great insurance at a leadoff hitter if Damon were to get injured.
I don’t think they are ruling out Manny, Tex, or a trade for an offensive player at all.
I just think they are now shifting their attention to the most important part—the pitching. Getting CC and the 2nd pitcher is imperative. It requires their full focus and we need to pounce quickly.
Tex and Manny will be on the market long after the pitching has dried up… Boras won’t let them sign until after New Years and you know he will come back to the Yankees one final time before inking a deal with any team.
Clarifying Post
Pete,
“Ariel: I don’t comment on what other people write. I write what I write and I do so based on what I am told.
Hank Steinbrenner himself said yesterday the Yankees were not making an offer to Manny. Never once have I heard Brian Cashman express interest in Manny. That’s all I can tell you. The Yankees in general seem not to want expensive, old DH types.”
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In your post of yesterday you stated “A big Manny fan a few weeks ago, Little Stein admits the Yankees aren’t going to make him an offer. “Not yet. It might be advantageous to do at some point,†he said.
All Hank really said was “not now, maybe laterâ€. That is quite different than saying we are not making an offer,period, and “the door is closedâ€. I would therefore conclude the statement that the “door is shut†is based on your reasoned judgment as a reporter covering the Yankees.
CC going once?
going twice?
SOLD!
With the economy what it is, that is a HUGE bid for CC. There will be no other bidder in the ‘hood. Size up those XL/XG/XT pinstripes.
Kennedy for DeJesus?
people who dont want manny are the same people who are scared of latinos because they are “noisy”
feefoo –
That’s utterly ridiculous!
Reviewing some Brewers blogs, it appears Milwaukee may come back with a 6 year offer in the 120’s. Given his comfort level in sausage land, we will see if he indeed follows the money as most would, or remains where he is comfortable.
TKinDC,
The big man would be quite a sight in pinstripes, won’t he? David Wells looked good in them winning big games. I think CC will too. He and Nick Swisher will be great additions to the clubhouse. Too bad the Giambino couldnt be there to enjoy it too.
That was just the Yankees opening bid. Other teams would have to do alot of heavy lifting just to get to 140M over 6, and if they do, the Yankees will just outbid them.
feefoo-What?
Did I just read someone write that we have a gaping hole in our offense? Pretty interesting comment. On paper we have the best offense in baseball. You dont need 9 hall of famers. You need a balance. Great players and solid role players. Hopefully Swisher fits that role.
This is going to be awkward when the WC teams put their bids in.
How can they go to CC’s agent and say they are bidding $120 when the current bid is at $140? I mean, they’ll probably do that but it will be awkward. Their strategy is probably to get close enough to our bid to make CC consider taking a discount, which will in turn make us increase our bid.
ariel,
It wouldnt surprise me if CC didnt neccessarily take the biggest offer. The kid seems very well grounded. Of all the free agents in the market this year, he’s the one I’d be least surprised if he took less money. He and his family will be set for life no matter where he signs.
FeeFoo- people who dont want manny are the same people who are scared of latinos because they are “noisyâ€
You are making up stereotypes. Ever heard of Bernie Williams, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada? To name a few. Im sure there are plenty more. Oh, Jose Molina.
Anyone want to take a stab at which bid comes in next and how much it will be for?
If CC turns the Yankees down, more power to him. I may become a despondent mess for a week or so, but, it will not be as bad as October of ‘04.
Man, I hope they don’t actually sign Lowe, regardless of whatever happens with CC.
Drive 4-5
November 14th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
ariel,
It wouldnt surprise me if CC didnt neccessarily take the biggest offer. The kid seems very well grounded. Of all the free agents in the market this year, he’s the one I’d be least surprised if he took less money. He and his family will be set for life no matter where he signs.
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true but the union always pushes players to take the most money and set the bar higher,also sabathia’s agent get’s a percentage and the bigger the contract the more money he makes.
—And stop pining away for Abreu. He could get three years from somebody. The Yankees are not giving him three years, nor should they.
Pete, you need to make up your mind on your position on Abreu. You post on here that he can get a 3yr deal elsewhere and is gone, but I heard you say on that show you were on yesterday that he was considering taking the Yankees arbitration offer (when it comes) and that the Yankees may take him back. Well, which is it? Is he going to be signed by some other team (I’m sure the Cubs would love to have him) or is he returning to the Yankees (which is my preference)? He can’t do both.
AP,
Angels at $140mil.
Lowe is old and an NL pitcher who doesn’t miss bats.
Pass.
“The big man would be quite a sight in pinstripes, won’t he? David Wells looked good in them winning big games. I think CC will too.”
100% correct Drive 4-5
Wells and CC have a ton in common (pardon the pun) but both speak their minds, are hyper competitive and have a rubber arm to go tons of innings. Not to mention the fact they throw from the wrong side!
FeeFool
Hank should go out and visit CC in the Bay Area
They can party together
feefoo,
You may have a point. If Manny were extremly articulate, conversed with the media easily, like a Big Papi, would he have been cut some slack? Probably. In Big Papi’s interview of a few days ago, he discussed Manny and his problem with Sox management and the lack of Manny dealing effectively with the media, which could have ameliorated an unpleasant situation. Manny acknowledged the media issue, but obviously did not do anything about it…Manny is apparently not confortable conversing in English…and that may be a significant problem.
Remember the Babe and the Red Sox in 1919? He refused to play on a number of occasions since they would not renegotiate his salary. In disgust they traded him at the end of the season to the Yankees. And thus began a marvelous dynasty.
Drive 4-5
Looks like you and I (and my husband!) are the only ones not convinced that CC will be a Yankee. Wishing doesn’t make it so.
bru –
The Union may not like it, but ultimately, CC is a “free” agent and can make his own decision. Vernon Wells took defied the union just a couple of years ago. I don’t think there are any “repercussions” for not doing what the union wants.
“On paper we have the best offense in baseball.”
Wha? The Red Sox have a better offense hate to admit it but its true. Ortiz, Pedroia, Youkilis, Bay, Lowell(when healthy)Lowrie(tons of potential). They also might add another bat this off-season. Also the world champion Philles(Utley, Howard, Victorino, Rollins, Werth) would like a word with you also the Cubs(Derek Lee, Soriano, A. Ramirez, Soto, Fukudome, DeRosa). This team has an average offense at best, A-Rod alone doesn’t carry the offense sufficiently(as we’ve seen this year).
—If CC turns the Yankees down, more power to him. I may become a despondent mess for a week or so, but, it will not be as bad as October of ‘04.
If CC turns down that amount of cheese, they should build a shrine for him on Wall Street. It would be a symbol to those jerks that there’s more to life than greed.
Honestly, I can’t see CC’s wife letting him turn down that kind of money. That money would set them and their kids up for life. I’m sorry, but you don’t turn down that kind of money. It’s not like we’re asking him to endure some sort of torture. He’s being asked to pitch for the most successful sports franchise on the planet in their brand new, state of the art stadium. This should not be a difficult decision, even given the money involved.
“AP,
Angels at $140mil.”
Oh God no. Moreno is involved. This offer Should have been 140.
does anybody think we should trade nady or matsui packaged with kennedy and other prospects for a cf or first baseman?
Laura –
All due respect, but when one speaks of being set up for life, is there really a difference between 120 million and 140 million?
AL from BK, good point on offense. If Jeter and ARod can have their typical years, if Cano can rebound and return to 2006 and 2007 form, if Posada can rebound and return to 2007 output, if Damon and Matsui can have their typical year of healthy production, Yankees should be fine to carry a CF bat. Nady’s swing is so long. Does anyone think Melky can rebound and be a productive hitter going forward?
no way brett gardner and or melky is in cf on opening day,not going to happen.
—Also the world champion Philles(Utley, Howard, Victorino, Rollins, Werth) would like a word with you also the Cubs(Derek Lee, Soriano, A. Ramirez, Soto, Fukudome, DeRosa).
Sorry, Al. You blew it with this one by including Fukudome. Piniella didn’t take him out of the playoff lineups because he couldn’t pronounce his name. The league figured this guy out and he didn’t hit the entire second half. The Cubs would like to dump him and Soriano, but will have a hard time finding takers.
Laura:
Arbitration for Bobby would be a one year deal. One year is less than three years. For one year, Bobby would make sense. Not three.
My prior post was not to suggest I agree with FeeFoo. By way of clarification, what I intended to state was simply that Manny’s apparent reluctance to speak at length in English may have exacerbated the situation.
My apologies to anyone whom I may have offended, it was not my intention.
AP,
I don’t think any team matches, atleast not yet. I think the WC teams will make below market (6/$125) offers for him and try to convince him to take less to come West. They don’t HAVE to match us dollar for dollar. They will try to use his love of the WC to their advantage by giving him a lower offer and testing him.
The better question is how close do they need to get to our offer before we increase it?
CC’s still going to make 120+ million bucks. His wife and kids will be fine.
—Laura –
All due respect, but when one speaks of being set up for life, is there really a difference between 120 million and 140 million?
Actually, yes there is. You wouldn’t think so, but 20mil can make a difference.
Well, if Moreno put in a bid for 140, let the games begin.
Bru,
The union probably would push, but given the times and the circumstances, it would be horrible PR. I also believe they would be messing with the wrong guy.
Moreno said projected payroll for 2009 is $125 Million. If they went for CC and Tex, that would account for about 40% of their payroll on 2 players.
Laura –
Somehow I think they could manage on 120 million. Maybe they’ll forego the bowling alley in the mansion.
The amount of money being thrown around is obscene, but it is what it is.
At those dollar amounts, at least for me, it comes down to creature comforts – the money is not necessarily the deciding factor.
Doreen
November 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Laura –
All due respect, but when one speaks of being set up for life, is there really a difference between 120 million and 140 million?
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yes.
the goverment wacks you for almost 40 percent right off the top ,then you’re agent get’s 5-15 percent.that 120 million just got cut in half.
Doreen=
I think Laura is being facetious, at least I hope she is.
Why haven’t we taken care of Pettite yet?
Isin’t it a good idea to lock him up and get it out of the way?
bru, these guys you want to trade have no trade value. who would want these players?
Thats why it needs to be more than $20 million
If the Angels offer $140, then offer $175… thats just under 30 a year.
$180 would be the max I go though.
I somehow have the impression that CC is not impressed with outrageous wealth, and just wants to feel comfortable and appreciate his surroundings. Why else would a California guy like Milwaukee? If anyone would shun money for comfortability, he appears to be the guy.
Trisha the psychic says CC is ours. Book it! (Gut feeling kids.)
Trisha the Yankee fan says PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM LOWE!!!
Thank you, thank you.
For those asking about what the yankees are doing about offense, you need to realize that even with the injuries to Posada and Matsui, terrible offense from CF and C, and off years from Cano and Jeter they still scored more runs than Tampa Bay and the Angels who were the two top teams in the AL. Yes, if they eeked out a few more runs, they might have made the playoffs but it would have been another early exit without better starting pitching. They are focusing their efforts correctly on trying to put together an elite starting rotation. If their pitching is as improved as we hope it to be, they will have enough offense without adding any new big bats.
—I think Laura is being facetious, at least I hope she is.
I’m not being facetious at all. I can tell that none of you have friends who have big time money. I know a few people who are much richer than any of us and let me tell you – every dime counts. In our minds, 120mil is enough and should suffice. We could see ourselves taking care of our families on that without a problem. For people who have money, it’s never enough. Baseball players are rich, even the ones only making single digit millions. If you think they don’t see the difference between 120 and 140mil, you are mistaken.
I searched the web saw no link to CC and angels at 140…do you have a link?
Buddy Biancalana –
Read her response. I don’t think she was being facetious.
bru –
Okay – so 60 million versus 70 million net. Again, I ask, how is that not already “set up for life” money?
Seriously, I think we’ve all seen these figures be thrown around so often that even we are numbed to them. These are incredible amounts of money. I know it’s relative. I know it’s also competitive. So, I guess, dollar figures aside, how important is it to Sabathia to be the highest paid pitcher (until the next super-colossal contract) in baseball, whatever the amount?
“Manny is apparently not confortable conversing in English”
As anyone who heard his interviews with the Dodgers can attest, that statement is totally incorrect. Manny speaks English just fine, but shuts the media out unless there’s something in it for Manny. Also, living in New England I listened to Manny do interviews at the beginning of this season on NESN. He was accomodating until it became apparent the Sox were not going to negotiate with him. That’s when it all turned sour. There’s no language barrier with Manny Ramirez.
ariel
November 14th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Bru,
The union probably would push, but given the times and the circumstances, it would be horrible PR. I also believe they would be messing with the wrong guy.
——————————————————————————————union or not it is not likely anybody walks away from 20 million let alone probably much more considering between taxes and his agent he will only see 50 percent of that.
it can happen and has before but 99.9 percent of the time it doesn’t.
if he passes god bless him but he won’t.
some of you guys are just so impatient. you can’t get it all done in the first day of free agency.
if the yanks primary targets are to land TWO big pitchers, then kudos to them. once you shore up the rotation:
cc + wang + burnett + pettitte + joba (i had to double take on that rotation b/c it’s SICK)
that gives the yanks more options to get hitters. this then allows them to possible trade some of their minor league pitchers (like hughes) if they chose to get that big bat.
but if you look at the drays = pitching got them in, not their hitting.
once the rotation is set, they will go after bats. take a seat and enjoy the ride. this will be one of the greatest offseason’s in yankees history.
Guys… this is going to be like the Santana negotiations.. long and painful. Tons of posturing and smokescreens. Article after article full of rumors. Frustrating moments and moments of giddiness.
This isin’t going to be resolved quickly.
—Why else would a California guy like Milwaukee?
Did you expect CC to say that MIL was a dump and he couldn’t wait to go play for another team? Give the guy some credit.
I said on here several threads ago that CC may turn his back on the money and stay in the NL or go to a Cali team. I think it’s a ridiculous thing to do, but that’s just me.
“They are focusing their efforts correctly on trying to put together an elite starting rotation. If their pitching is as improved as we hope it to be, they will have enough offense without adding any new big bats.”
I couldn’t agree more. Although we can’t know for sure, I am willing to take the chance that we will have better years from Jeter and Cano and Jorge and Sui will be in it for the long haul. If we take care of our pitching we should have more than enough offense to make things work.
Think about this: we were still alive up to the last week of the season, and that was with Wang down and nothing whatsoever from Kennedy and Hughes. Imagine what we could have done had the pitching horrors not happened quite the way they did.
Jerry from Queens
November 14th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
bru, these guys you want to trade have no trade value. who would want these players?
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nady is tradeable and fairly cheap right now.it is possible depending on what prospects are added.
we got swisher for betemit and marquez.
Laura,
Your point is well taken. But some athletes do sign for less than they could elsewhere. Mike Lowell could have made more money last year. Paul O’Neill did it his last contract with the Yankees. Bernie Williams took a couple mil less to re-sign with the Yanks rather than Boston.
Thing is no one knows what the back story is. Laura, you say his wife would never let him leave a larger dollar amount on the table, but that’s not necessarily the most important thing here.
If this is an opportunity for her (and CC) to be closer to family while their children are small, that could be what turns the decision for them.
i understand it is possible that cc takes less money but statistics show that it is not likely.it would not suprise me if he took less but i still don’t think he will.
would you?
The Yankees are going to make it very, very difficult for CC not to sign with them. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them overbid any other team by $20mil. The players’ union would certainly frown on CC turning that down. And for that $20mil extra, he could have a private jet at his disposal at all times to fly him, or his wife, back and forth from wherever to wherever whenever he wants.
There is always a lot of posturing by players, teams, and agents this time of year. A player says “I don’t want to play there” for any number of reasons. Sometimes, he means it. Sometimes it’s just a ploy for more money. And, with regard to CC, he has NEVER said in public that he doesn’t want to play in NY, and for every “report” that “quotes” some player “who is a close friend of Sabathia” saying “CC wants to play on the West Coast,” there’s another such “report” that says just the opposite.
The Yanks will go all out for CC and will, in all likelihood, sign him. If they don’t sign him, they’ll sign Burnett and Perez, and still have a great rotation. No worries.
I think CC will give his eye teeth (and more) to play for the Yankees.
That said, I really don’t care whether he comes or not. I am not rolled up in a ball about any players coming and not coming. I think at least several of the female posters here, anyway, have indicated the same thing. We don’t get into a twist about what might be and what might happen. We wait to see what DOES happen, and then we root for the team on the field.
What’s the alternative? None of us have any input nor do we have any control over what happens. So why stress out over it?
RE: Manny, I could make a baseball case for considering him. Just like I could have made a baseball case for considering Millar at first if they hadn’t acquired Swisher or a case for considering an incentive based, short term deal for Pedro or Shilling. As a fan though, I don’t want any of those jerks on the Yankees and I don’t see how anyone who has been a Yankee fan for years could either.
Let’s hope we sign CC. If we do that and bring back at least Pettite or Mussina this will have been a great off season. Anything else (Burnett, Lowe) is just icing on the cake. I wonder though if you do bring Pettite back and sign CC, how many years and dollars would you really want to commit to Lowe or Burnett? We’ve got a lot of young pitching talent that’s a few years away and I’m not sure I’d really want to block them all for two long especially when I have some doubts on whether those guys are a great investment to begin with.
I know all the ladies are partial to him, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Xavier Nady traded, especially for a Jake Peavey. I’m not all that enamoured with either AJ Burnett and even less so with Derek Lowe.
I cant help but remember that Burnett never won more than 12 games prior to this season. They would be signing him to a multi year deal at age 32. Lowew, at age 35, is said to be loking for a 5 year contract.
I say trade for a #3 starter, save the money you would have spent on Burnett and put it towards the best 28 year old free agent to hit the market in years, Mark Tiexiera.
bru
i understand it is possible that cc takes less money but statistics show that it is not likely.it would not suprise me if he took less but i still don’t think he will.
would you?
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Yes. I would consider taking less money. There are issues other than money that I would consider. It’s not just the west coast to CC; it’s home.
Nady is not going ANYWHERE!! Im so sick of people saying trade Nady,it makes no SENSE!!
Thanks for the clarification all 50 people – i never once heard that sheets is a pitch away from tj surgery or that he elected not to have surgery. The yanks have something called a physical when they are planning on signing someone. If that player cant pass the physical the team doesnt sign that player. I figured if sheets was THAT injured, he wouldnt pass a physical. This is the first day Im hearing 20 comments about sheets being unable to pitch. And if he is soo injured i DUNNO why he is looking for a 2 to 3 year deal. That seems a bit much for someone whos arm is about to fall off as you guys have clearly stated. Pete, i dont remember you posting about sheets being injured – thats how i didnt know to be completely honest.
I think people are complaining about swisher not because they dont think the trade was a quality one. Obviously, getting value back for betemit and marquez was a good deal and I really like that cash traded for someone right after a down season. That is a rare occurence. But as pete had said multiple times, swisher is going to be our starting first baseman. This pretty much takes us out of the teixera race. Teixera seems like the ideal direction the yanks want to take the team in – he is young, athletic, defensively oriented as a gold glove winner and a switch hitter. Not even going after him, is almost a contradiction of sorts – the yanks want to get younger and better defensively and they arent even in the running for the player that is closest to the teams direction.
I get it after multiple posts- sheets is injured. We shouldnt go after him. However, that doesnt take away the validity of the argument that we shouldnt go after lowe. He is old – much older than burnett. We want to get younger. He is coming off of a great season asking for a large contract – we are trying to get away from older pitchers signed to long term deals. He was horrible in his last two yrs in the AL and has only succeeded in the NL since then – we must have learned our lesson that success in the NL doesnt always directly translate to success in the AL. Or atleast I hope the organization has realized that after all of the failure in the recent past. Not to mention, the sox have also been rumored to be going after Lowe – do we really want to get in a bidding war over a pitcher coming off of a career yr straight out of the NL with our rival? i THINK NOT. I hope lowe is completely taken out of the equation and we end up signing burnett.
Aaron,
Nady is a below average on base percentage player and only an average at best defender.
IMO his trade value could be at its peak.His 89 games with Pittsburgh were so far above his seasonal averages that it’s not hard to believe it wasn’t an anomaly.
I’m not saying that he should be given away, but he could be a valuable trade chip. The Yanks dont have very many of those.
Dave – we who remember Lowe in the AL, who live in the territory where we paid a lot more attention than those more geographically removed, don’t want to go anywhere near Lowe. We have a poster who follows Lowe’s former AL team who is in total agreement with our memory of Lowe and his meltdowns and his headtrips. All you need to do is look at his ERA during his last years with the Sux to know he can’t deal with anything but the mellowness of the west coast.
I refuse to believe the Yankees would seriously pursue him.
Ben sheets is ranked 23 out of 100 free agents on espn.com in terms of value – maybe that is how i didnt realize he was so seriously injured as well.
Abreu and Mussina will both be back.
I’ll take Tampa Bay’s lineup.
I wonder if Brett Favre can pitch. The biggest positive with the Swisher deal and this reported offer to CC is that Hank hasn’t come out and told the AP something like “We’ve made CC a very respectable offer and if he doesn’t take that within the next 24-36 hours the window will be closed.”
“Your point is well taken. But some athletes do sign for less than they could elsewhere. Mike Lowell could have made more money last year. Paul O’Neill did it his last contract with the Yankees. Bernie Williams took a couple mil less to re-sign with the Yanks rather than Boston.”
Yes, those guys took a couple of mil less. My guess is that the Yankees offer is going to be so much higher than what anyone else is offering that it will make a difference. Right now, we’re comparing 120 to 140. Next week, we could be talking 130 to 170. Then what? He turns that down? If he does, more power to him. He’s a better man than I am (actually, I’m a woman, but that’s besides the point) because I’d be in pinstripes before Cashman got a chance to hang up the phone.
The real news of the day:
RIP Fire Joe Morgan.
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Tampa Bay won with pitching
Their lineup had the likes of Zobrist, Aybar, Iwamura, Bartlett etc. in it.
Pitching wins hampionships
Drive 4-5 November 14th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Aaron,
Nady is a below average on base percentage player and only an average at best defender.
IMO his trade value could be at its peak.His 89 games with Pittsburgh were so far above his seasonal averages that it’s not hard to believe it wasn’t an anomaly.
I’m not saying that he should be given away, but he could be a valuable trade chip. The Yanks dont have very many of those.
Come on man.. Pleaes use ure common sense, all you people talk about is on base percentage.. You people are pathetic, you don’t know ANYTHING about baseball, Nady is a “BASEBALL” player. goes out everyday and plays hard, and is still young.. Makes no sense.. Who do you want to play in his spot then..
Where is this “trade Nady” talk coming from? First of all, the guy is frakin’ hot! Second, if Abreu isn’t coming back and Nady is leaving, who do we have in the outfield? Third, the guy is frakin’ hot!!! Fourth, I don’t think Cash gave up Tabata et al to rent Nady for 3 months. Lastly, the guy is the President of the Baseball Hotties club. He’s got to stay on a team I watch!!
So, enough of this trade Nady talk. If we are losing Abreu, he’s gotta stay ‘cause ya know…he’s hot.
Brunett is better than Lowe.
Brunett has pitched in the AL the past 3 years and was dominant. He has top of the rotation potential. He has electric stuff.
The Lowe we are getting is not the one who put up a career year in the NL West.
C.C.’s love for California is not a sticking point. For the life of his Yankee contract, he and family will find Westchester County just fine.
After his playing career he can spend the rest of his life on the west coast if he so chooses.
Agreed Squints. FJM.com will live forever in our hearts. Everytime a call is blown, a stat exaggerated, or Joe just makes some crap up about a team he’s seen twice all season, Joe Morgan will remind us how we once had a website to go and see him called out on it.
Hopefully, someone will carry the torch.
Laura, I’m not saying he’s hot, but the dude can play baseball..lol
and he’s not going anywhere, this guy just think’s he’s playing a video game and watch to trade everyone.. He doesn’t understand baseball.. Were getting younger, and people are still complaining.. I don’t get it, they’re just lonely people who live by themselves with no friends, so they blog all night..
GO GMEN!
that’s an awesome first offer.
CC should demand Teixeira or Abreu as a condition.
—Laura, I’m not saying he’s hot, but the dude can play baseball..lol
Oh, come on Aaron. There’s nothing wrong with one man acknowledging the good looks of another. Women have no problem in this area. I have no problem saying that Angelina Jolie, to me, frakin’ hot. That doesn’t mean I want her to leave Brad for me. That just means that I know a good looking woman when I see one.
As for Nady’s skills, I wish he was a little faster in the field and didn’t swing at the garbage up high, but I was happy with his performance after the trade.
Nady is the definition of average.
.280 average, .320 OBP, 120+ strikeouts, not much patience, no speed, average defense (below avg in RF), not much of a leader or ‘leave it on the field’ player (Swisher is though).
So he hits 20 HRs but what else does he do great? He isin’t a “gamer” or “grinder”. Gardner is, not Nady (which shows you how meaningless those terms are when evaluating players, but Nady doesn’t even fit that criteria).
He is 30 years old and been on 4 teams in 4 years. He isin’t a good player, he is an average 7th place hitter on a good team.
Nady’s the type of player the Yankees need, everyone has to remember this is Matsui(going back to Japan I’d guess) and Damon’s last year.. So Nady would be a good starting piece in the outfield when they leave.. If we sign him back, which im sure they will..
I’m reminded of Elaine Benes’s comment—“Just admitting a man looks good, doesn’t necessarily make YOU a homosexual.” That said Nady has a rugged look and strikes me as the type to wear a beard and a flanel jacket as he chops wood at his cabin during the off season.
What sbout signing Trevor Hoffman to SU for MO?
Wouldn’t that be a great way to end his career with a chance to finally win a ring?
I’m reminded of Elaine Benes’s comment—“Just admitting a man looks good, doesn’t necessarily make YOU a h0m0sexual.” That said Nady has a rugged look and strikes me as the type to wear a beard and a flanel jacket as he chops wood at his cabin during the off season.
re: Xavier Nady
I not a professional ballplayer, but I remember a couple of former players – David Cone and Paul O’Neill – saying on tbe YES telecasts after the trade last season, that Nady would have fit in well on the championship teams of the late 90’s – 2001.
But that’s just David Cone and Paul O’Neill.
The Burnett/Lowe dilemma is a difficult one. Burnett may be an injury just waiting to happen. Lowe is older and may have trouble re-adjusting to the AL. What to do, what to do?
I don’t envy Cashman on this one. My gut says that they are going to go for AJ first and approach Lowe if they can’t get AJ. That’s the approach I would take.
—That said Nady has a rugged look and strikes me as the type to wear a beard and a flanel jacket as he chops wood at his cabin during the off season.
Thanks for the visual!
Aaron,
Nady has Boras as his agent. No way we will meet his demands, especially when Holliday/Crawford are FAs next year as well.
Nady will be 31 years old at the end of next year, that isin’t someone you commit long term to. He is not going to be worth the contract Boras will get him.
I agree Joe, but im done talking.. the anti Nady people are pissing me off. Every night someone get’s on here and complains about one player..
GO G-MEN!!
I like nady but i dont think he should be batting third or playing right field. That is why we should re-sign abreu or sign teixera and put swisher in the outfield because we need a third place hitter to replace abreu if abreu is not coming back.
Nady hits lefties well. .854 career OPS vs LHP
I wish Mussina would just commit to pitch next year, then we don’t even have to take the Burnett/Lowe risk, we can just pair him and Andy with CC, Wang, and Joba.
RE: someones comments on Sheets
Do they do MRI’s on pitching elbows during the routine physical?
nady isin’t 1\2 the player abreu is
abreu hits for higher average, higher ops/obp, steals 25 bases, hits 40 doubles, has a rocket arm, sees a million pitches, walks a ton
abreu is an all-star player and nady is a league average player
cashman better not think about replacing abreu with nady. get tex or manny.
Am I the only woman here who doesn’t think Nady’s looks are all that?
—No way we will meet his demands, especially when Holliday/Crawford are FAs next year as well.
My money says Crawford stays with TB. As for Holliday, I’m looking forward to seeing how he does in the AL next season.
I also recall both Paulie and Cone saying Nady is a grinder and would have fit in quite well on the late 90’s teams. He’s not star quality but good solid and reliable player who complements the “stars” provided the Yankees have them.
swisher may be replacining giambis bat kind of but he certainly is not a replacement for abreu’s production. To me, out of centerfield, rightfield and first base only one player can be weaker than league average. If gardner is starting in center – that is our below league average player. Ppl always said last yr melky’s production was okay because we were so strong every where else. That is not the case anymore with giambi and abreu gone and cano not looking like the sure thing he did last yr. The more i think about, the more i think tex is the perfect fit. Swisher can move to the outfield of course.
—Am I the only woman here who doesn’t think Nady’s looks are all that?
Yes, pat, you are. What is wrong with you? We’ve got to get your eyes checked!!
pat –
Nady’s okay. He doesn’t make me crazy, though.
Mike R,
If people are claiming, that sheets will def need TJ surgery at some point in the near future and the yanks are signing him to a three yr deal – i would hope that the physical would actually look at whats going on with the arm. I dont think its a routine physical like somebody would get once a yr. This is millions of dollars for an arm – im sure they look stregnth of that arm.
I was just flipping the channels and ABC has a show on called Super-Manny. The male version of Super-Nanny.
The visual of a dreadlocked slugger taking care of a house of unruly children just gave me a good chuckle.
“Am I the only woman here who doesn’t think Nady’s looks are all that?”
Nady is a hottie!!
—Nady’s okay. He doesn’t make me crazy, though.
I see that we need to have Doreen’s eyes examined as well.
Nady doesn’t make me crazy, but I do enjoy looking at his face.
I’d take Burnett just because his upside when he’s healthy is a top of the rotation starter with knockout stuff.
We know what Lowe is—an innings eater. At best, he will be what Andy was last year. He is 37 coming back to the AL. His last year in BOS was abysmal. Burnett is AL tested.
All depends what you want-
210 guaranteed innings with the potential to be disastrous innings or the potential to be league average innings as well as a big game pitcher
or
Either 210 or 150 innings from Burnett with the potential to be a lights out starter for 210 innings or a lights out starter for 150 innings.
Okay people, the Yankees are not thinking about signing Sheets. After what they went through with Pavano, there is no way in hell they are going there. The guy is injured. It’s not like Burnett where we think he might get injured. Sheets is injured already!!! Why would we sign this guy?
—I’d take Burnett just because his upside when he’s healthy is a top of the rotation starter with knockout stuff.
Yes, but isn’t the knock on him that when he’s bad, he’s REALLY bad? Which Burnett are we going to get? I think we are going to have to roll the dice with him and pray for the best.
I think I hit a nerve suggesting that Nady could be a valuable tradr ship. lol
I didnt say he stinks or should be Wilson Beteminted away. All I’m saying is that the Yankees should, and I’m sure will, leave all options open. Nady is a decent player and can be used to fill a hole, but he’s not untouchable. As for him fitting in on the 90’s Yankees, I’m sure he would have. So wouldnt Mark Tiexiera.Enjoy the rest of your evening lol.
Wood says he would have done anything to stay with the Cubs, including signing a one-year deal. In light of that information, the Cubs’ decision seems more questionable.
While Wood has a preference for the National League, he’s open to pitching anywhere.
Cubs would be foolish not to take him up on that offer.
Braves moving on from Peavy-Burnett and Dempster top priorities.
—Wood says he would have done anything to stay with the Cubs, including signing a one-year deal. In light of that information, the Cubs’ decision seems more questionable.
The Cubs are saying that they need to commit their money elsewhere. How about buying those guys some guts; clearly based on their playoff performance, they have none.
Interestingly, before Nady was traded to the Yankees he was 2nd in RF assists, after Markakis of the Orioles.
DeJesus mentioned for CF. Is his arm any better than Damons?
I’ve read he’s now best suited for a corner position.
Guess is Peavy will get traded to the Cubs per his wish, when he gets back from his vacation.If they still sign Dempster, would any of you be interested in trading for Ted Lilly, who might be available, if our free agent plans fall through?
Cubs fans will LOVE Abreu. He will really strengthen that lineup. A good chemistry guy, high OBP, good speed.
Some team will be lucky to get him, likely the Cubs.
I didn’t want Ted Lilly back when he was a FA, and I still don’t want him. I just think he’d get crushed again if he returned, and I certainly don’t want to give up anything for him.
—If they still sign Dempster, would any of you be interested in trading for Ted Lilly, who might be available, if our free agent plans fall through?
I don’t think so. If memory serves, Lilly wasn’t very good in the AL when he was there. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong.
Yankee Trader,
Ted Lilly would be an interesting trade. It depends who you have to give up to get him. Hint: If you wanna not get tossed into a tub of hot oil,dont suggest Xavier Nady
“Am I the only woman here who doesn’t think Nady’s looks are all that?”
I’m with ya.
—Cubs fans will LOVE Abreu. He will really strengthen that lineup. A good chemistry guy, high OBP, good speed. Some team will be lucky to get him, likely the Cubs.
Isn’t the issue for the Cubs the fact that they’ve got two dead weights in their outfield that they can’t move without eating a chunk of salary (Soriano and Fukedome)?
Cubs fans want Soriano gone like yesterday. But I don’t see how the Cubs are going to move that contract (which they shouldn’t have signed, by the way).
—Hint: If you wanna not get tossed into a tub of hot oil,dont suggest Xavier Nady
Drive, I have no problem trading Nady … as long as we get Markakis back in return. They cancel each other out on the hotness scale.
:;
Hughes had a good start in the ‘Zona Fall League. 5 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 1 walk, 6 strikeouts, 80 pitches, 52 strikes, 28 balls. No decision.
Miranda….0-4, 1 run scored, 1 walk, 2 strikeouts.
Laura,
As a middle aged baseball fanatic, I’ll just have to take your word:)
I won’t stop pining for Abreu because I like the guy and think Cashman is making another colossal blunder by not acquiring a legitimate 3 hitter.
Rumor are circulating, however, that Bobby may actually accept arbitration because he want to stay in NY and doesn’t want to play in Wrigley. Given his instinctive recoil from walls—Wrigley’s are made of brick—I can’t blame him.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Teixiera goes to Boston and wrecks the Yankees. It would continue the same trend that began about 5 years ago. Theo, year in a year out, outmaneuvers Cashman and consistently proves himself a shrewder, more audacious, and all-around superior GM. I hate to say it but it’s absolutely true.
Abreu would wear a suit of armor at wrigley. Its walls would scare him.
“I won’t stop pining for Abreu because I like the guy and think Cashman is making another colossal blunder by not acquiring a legitimate 3 hitter.”
Kill-Schill – do what I do and make your life much more pleasant! Assume Abreu is coming back until you hear otherwise. I don’t believe Abreu is leaving the Bronx and will not believe it unless I hear it as an official announcement. Same thing with Moose for me.
kill schill – i agree. Cash is extremely over-rated by fans and media alike. I see so many other GMs do soo much more with soo much less. Cash is given the world to work with and has not really shown that he can improve the team. He consistently makes the decision most would make without outwitting or outmaneuvering anybody.
Yankee Trader,
Here’s my deal. The Yanks somehow get lucky and Abreu accepts arbitration. You play Swisher in left and live with Damon in center. CC signs. You ship the player who’s name begins with X, Alfredo Aceves and another minor leaguer to San Diego for Jake Peavey. The Yanks rotation is CC, Wang, Peavey, Pettitte and Joba.
Other than Damon in center, can you live with that?
“Cubs fans will LOVE Abreu. He will really strengthen that lineup. A good chemistry guy, high OBP, good speed.
Some team will be lucky to get him, likely the Cubs.”
Yea, they’ll LOVE him playing RF against that brick wall. What are you smoking?
San Diego has more need for a ML ready shortstop than they do for a 7 million dollar outfielder.
—You ship the player who’s name begins with X, Alfredo Aceves and another minor leaguer to San Diego for Jake Peavey.
Drive, did you miss the millions of posts about how Peavy doesn’t want to play for the Yankees or pitch in the AL? Why would we trade for him?
Drive 4-5,
Why would SD make that trade??
we should try to trade igawa for ted lilly – according to cash and other geniuses among the yankee organization they are of equivalent value.
No Peavy
Kill.Schill(ing),
It’s been said that boston doesnt have the payroll flexibility to sign Tiexiera,but I disagree.
Coming off their payroll is Ramirez- $19mil, Varitek – $10.4mil and Schilling – $8mil.
Granted they need to re-sign Varitek. But at his age he could be making only a little more than half of his ‘08 salary in a 2 year deal.
They could sign Tiexiera and still lower their payroll. The main proble