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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 15, 2008 
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The Yankees have made the pitch to CC Sabathia and it was a big one as he was offered six years and $140 million.
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When is he Accepting the offer?
and will they make their other pitches this weekend or wait until Monday?
“When is he Accepting the offer?”
Right after the Dodgers, Angels and Giants tell him they can’t approach it.
I hope that’s a firm offer. And it most certainly is an expiring one.
What do the other teams do? Milwaukee’s offered $20M. The Yankees offered $23M.
Do they go lower and try to sell the intangibles. Do they match it with lower years? How badly do the LA teams want CC? Does anybody actually top it?
If C.C. voted for Obummer, then he will take the Yankee’s offer since he will be able to spread the wealth around.
Mel, who wins tonight Honolulu or Waikiki? Bleich took the loss, but, no hitting and bad fielding cost him the game.
Any CPAs out there?
Question if there is one. What is the net after taxes to CC if he takes an LAA offer of 135m vs a NYY offer of 150m, over 6 years, equally distributed?
I assume that pasting articles comment was for me, since it was me on the last thread that posted Ken Rosenthal’s article.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....e?MSNHPHMA
There and I still say I rather look elsewhere heck if we can get Peavy by trade screw Peavy go after Cliff Lee or Franciso Liriano.
GB7,
I saw that. 2 ER on 3 errors!
Bleich’s ERA is down to 1.77. It’s not very significant, but he has had the best showing of any of the Yankee pitchers to play in Hawaii.
I don’t know who’s pithing tonight, but it would be great if they could win.
“How badly do the LA teams want CC? Does anybody actually top it?”
Probably don’t have to top it, Mel.
* 2 unearned runs
“I saw that. 2 ER on 3 errors!”
Actually it 0 ER and 2 R scored against.
“Bleich: 5 inning, 5 hits, 2 runs, 0 earned runs, 3 walks, 2 strikeouts. 1 IBB, three doubles, 85 pitches, 48 strikes, 37 balls.
Bleich’s final numbers for the year.
7 games, 7 starts, 36.2 innings, 29 hits, 10 runs, 7 earned runs, 1 home run, 12 walks, 33 strikeouts, WHIP is under 1.15. ERA is 1.77. All in all, he had a very successful year, there, especially since he had very little experience in Staten Island. He only had 1 game and 3 innings.”
He just has a knack of not giving up ER, it’s a ER protest
Cano, Kennedy, and X for Jake Peavy.
They sign Orlando Hudson.
Bank on it.
I hope that’s a firm offer. And it most certainly is an expiring one….
mel, did you read or hear about a time element?
X = prospect, not Xavier Nady. Sorry!
Fredo,
Well, they’d have to at least match it. A lower offer would look tepid, like they’re not very interested.
I don’t see the Giants being players.
They’re on the hook for Zito, who might actually be bouncing back to form.
Lincecum will suffice as their ace, and do it for pennies.
Their team is not good enough to warrant paying that much money to a pitcher. CC should be a finishing piece, or at least in the same neighborhood.
Cano, Kennedy, and X for Jake Peavy.
They sign Orlando Hudson.
Bank on it.
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not happening.
It’s highly doubtful the Dodgers would even come close, even assuming they don’t sign Manny. McCourt just won’t do it. If the Angels sign Tex, they won’t go after CC; even if they don’t, I doubt that they would match length.
Not this Peavy stuff again
yankee21,
Sorry about that. No, I haven’t heard anything like that.
But the idea of such a a large preemptive (sp?) offer is to get it done quickly. It can’t be a standing offer. Just can’t be.
Mel, have you seen Humberto Sanchez pitch? Any clue why he has been hit so hard? Has his velocity eroded? Is he not throwing strikes?
Ariel,
Only the Yankees can afford to buy more than one big toy.
Although, I was holding out hope for Tex, it doesn’t look like it.
IF CC signs with the Yankees, the dominoes will fall.
CC>>>Yankees
Tex>>>Angels
Burnett>>Yankees
Manny>>>Dodgers
Lowe>>>Red Sox
Now the other major FA will still get their money, because the Yankees will be in the shadows with their checkbook.
Man I envy you right now Mel. The weather in New York sucks almost as much the lineup Cashman is assembling.
yankee 21
Not a CPA but if you use a 39% tax rate on both contracts, the difference is about 1.5 million a year so 9 million on the 6 years.
“Cano, Kennedy, and X for Jake Peavy.
They sign Orlando Hudson.”
Rainy day + drugs = this
Kill,
????
I’m not in Arizona.
I don’t have a clue, except the ballparks may explain the longball.
The command and inordinate amount of walks is a mystery. He didn’t get much work in the minors, so maybe he’s trying different pitches. He did okay during his cup of joe in September, so he might just hate Arizona!
“Fredo,
Well, they’d have to at least match it. A lower offer would look tepid, like they’re not very interested.”
Mel:
If the Giants offered the exact same contract that Santana got, I’d suggest to you they move in front of the Yankees, even though it’s $400,000 a year less than the Yankees offer. But I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Ah, I thought Humberto was in the Hawaiian League, my bad.
Have you seen Brackman pitch, Mel? John Manuel recently reported that he threw 97 mph on his first pitch.
Going back to Andy Pettitte – I’d much rather him than Lowe. We’ll see, I guess. Fran, I think perhaps your suggestion of an incentive-based contract will be worked out.
Did you guys know that CC has a website? It is very similar in lay-out (and content) to Nick Swisher’s. Must be boilerplate. Anyway, what occurred to me is the charitable foundations/contributions that these players are involved with. Could a team that’s not able to compete with the Yankees on a pure salary basis offer to contribute dollars to a player’s charity? Is that legal? I am assuming it would be a tax deduction for the team if it is legal. Or, could it be done “under the table,” so to speak?
11/15/08 9:49 AM EST
Yankees interested in deal for Peavy
American League a possibility for righty as talks stall with NL clubs
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....;fext=.jsp
YES !
Kill,
No, I haven’t been to any games. Had tickets to a game (turned out to be an exciting one), but birthdays (not mine) only come around once a year.
It’s cold (70), but it’ll warm up in a bit. I do know it’s winter because the winter swell’s here. 30 ft!
CC’s Website:
http://ccsabathia52.com/
It doesn’t matter if the Giants or anyone else matches the Yankees’ offer. The Yanks will simply increase their offer to where the other team can not or will not match it. CC will then have to make a decision. Does he leave a large sum of money on the table? If he’s willing to do that, then there’s nothing Cash, Hank, Hal or anyone can say or do about it.
Doreen,
I agree on Pettitte vs. Lowe.
I staunchly support their retaining Andy…it’d be a real tasteless folly to not bring him back if he is ready to play another season.
A lot of folks on here are ready to throw in the towel on him and I just can’t figure out how Lowe suddenly got better in people’s mind than Pettitte. Pettitte is and always will be better than Derek Lowe. End of story.
Pads looking to cut salary, so Cano would not interest them.
Hughes, Kennedy and Romine for Peavy.
Then sign CC and Tex.
I can go to war with this!
Sabathia
Wanger
Peavy
Joba
Aceves or Coke
Damon
Jeter
Cano
Arod
Tex
Matsui
Nady
Posada
Swisher
RP
Mo
Marte
Melancon
Veras
Coke or Aceves
Bruney
Edwar/Geese/Alba
Bench
Molina
Gardner
Ransom
Miranda
The thing with Peavy, is that it’ll cost. Prospects + salary + extension.
Personally, I wouldn’t give up Cano, Jackson, and especially Hughes for Peavy.
The packages we’ve been hearing aren’t overly impressive, so if the Yankees are indeed in play, then the salary dump isn’t going as planned. And why would it? It’ll cost. Prospects + salary + extension.
I’m guilty of the same Brandon, from now on I’ll post the headlines of the article and then the link. No problem Pete.
If NYY is able to lock up Sabathia and Pettitte within the next 10 days, that will put a large hole into what they needed accomplished this winter. I can’t see Teixiera signing with anybody before mid-December. That gives them maybe 2 weeks to either Burnett or find out what Mussina plans to do. Mussina is supposedly going to make his decision next week. NYY would have their 5 main rotation and have Hughes and Aceves to back them up. I don’t know if they plan on signing Teixiera or not.
mel -
I guess it will come down to which prospects. Salary plus extension can be dealt with. But I’m with you – no Cano, no Jackson and no Hughes. I’m not sold on Peavy, I’m not sure how he’ll translate to AL East. I also am not encouraged that his preference is to stay in the NL. To me it says the guy doesn’t necessarily want to challenge himself over a certain comfort level. That’s not what the Yankees need.
“Hughes, Kennedy and Romine for Peavy.”
You never trade a catcher that can hit and field as a 3rd piece what are you nuts ? Plus that Peavy report by MLB.com is just taking Rosenthal’s article which is about the winter meetings which Towers balked and has said he rather deal w/ the NL, this is probably because Peavy wants no part of NY.
“I’m guilty of the same Brandon, from now on I’ll post the headlines of the article and then the link. No problem Pete.”
I know.
For all those fans that happen to be in possession of one of those shameful Giambi jerseys (I have one although I’d like to report that it was a gift), it’s a quick fix to turn it into a CC jersey! Assuming Dave Eiland gives it up.
Doreen,
Not to dump on Kennedy (I do like him), but he’d be perfect in Petco Park.
Peavy might not even want an extension, though. He could just pitch for another big contract.
But seriously. If we’re trying to get 2 of the 3 FA pitcher + Andy + Wanger + Joba + Hughes + Aceves. The canoe’s getting pretty crowded.
Maybe Cashman’s just helping drive up the value for his pal, Towers, who’s being put in an impossible situation by his owner.
mel -
Agree on Kennedy. I like him, too. He could be a good fit in SD. And someone is expendable. He seems the most likely candidate.
pat, thanks but state and local(NYC) taxes also need to be factored in… At the end of the day, I assume 135 LAA and 150 NYY nets out slighly more for CC if he takes this hypothetical NYY offer vs. the hypothetical LAA offer.
Mel, if you can trade for Peavy I think Burnett becomes excessive and they probably wouldn’t sign him. If the prospect list is right would people prefer Peavy over Burnett? I think I would, Peavy ERA+ 125 Burnett ERA+ 111. Obviously that isn’t the end all be all but it does say a lot. And Peavy has won a Cy Young so if you can get him as some sort of “salary dump” for prospects further from ML readiness I probably would like it for Jake to be our #3.
From CC’s website
“Who are the toughest batters to face?
I know that you can’t throw Manny, ARod and Jeter the same pitch twice.”
Sign with the Yankees and he eliminates 2 out of 3. If Manny stays NL or ends up with the Yankees somehow, he’d eliminate 3 of 3.
I think the Yanks should ONLY acquire Peavy if it takes little or nothing in the way of players in return. If the money is comparable to what AJ or Lowe/Garland would command, then why not? The only kicker is the question of how he would translate to NY and the AL.
But money AND young players for Peavy – the Yankees didn’t do that for Santana, they’re going to do that for Jake Peavy?
I would re-sign Andy; if CC signs I would not pursue either Lowe or Burnett (actually I wouldn’t pursue Lowe under any circumstance). We will know by the end of next week what Moose will do..if he re-ups, we have our five starters, with Hughes, Coke and Aceves in reserve. If Moose doesn’t come back, I would look to those three as the source for #5. I, tho perhaps in the minority, believe Hughes will step up next year and start fulfilling his promise.
The Yankees are idiots if they are trying to get Peavy to come here. All they will end up doing is sending him back to the NL when he gets here and doesn’t like it. You’d think they’d learned their lesson with Randy Johnson. I guess not.
Addendum..I would then focus upon augmenting the offense by pursuing a “Big Bat”, which IMO is definitely needed.
IF we sign CC, I’d rather trade for Peavy than sign Burnett or Lowe to a multi-year deal, but not at the expense of Hughes. The rotation would be sick.
CC
Peavy
Wang
Pettitte/Moose/Hughes
Joba
I hope that the Yankees have at least called Andy to explain that they are trying to figure things out and that they aren’t trying to jerk him around or be disrespectful to him.
Laura– RJ was geriatric when they brought him here. Wasn’t he already on 2 back surgeries at that point? Peavy is on the perfect side of 30 with a friendly contract. Despite what someone may think from reading here Peavy is very good. I still think the Pads are going to require a king’s ransom for him though. so I talk of him in pinstripes is sort of silly.
Rob,
I would prefer AJ over Peavy. He’s pitched in the AL East, which is a beast. Plus, he’ll only cost money, not that I’m prospect groupie or anything.
Hughes and Kennedy are pathetic. As soft as they come. Neither will have any real success in NY. Best to package them now before they totally expose themselves…
–IF we sign CC, I’d rather trade for Peavy than sign Burnett or Lowe to a multi-year deal, but not at the expense of Hughes. The rotation would be sick.
You are assuming that Peavy will be as good in the AL as he was in the NL. The jury is definitely out on that one. The guy pitches in one of the more pitcher friendly parks in the league. I find it hard to believe that he’ll be as good in the AL as he is in the NL. He knows this as well. Why do you think he’s so hesitant to switch leagues?
Rob,
And Peavy on the Red Sox doesn’t scare me as much as AJ on the Red Sox.
And they will be adding a pitcher not named Schilling.
Yeah Mel, that definitely would be the argument for AJ. I like him a lot too but I think he is more of a mirage in the desert. He looks like the answer to your prayers but then you get close enough and you realize it’s not what you were hoping for. He has all the promise in the world but over his career he hasn’t lived up to his stuff. (if that makes sense)
–RJ was geriatric when they brought him here. Wasn’t he already on 2 back surgeries at that point? Peavy is on the perfect side of 30 with a friendly contract.
True, but RJ’s dislike of NY didn’t have anything to do with him being old and having back troubles. He didn’t like NY or the team. Peavy is on record as saying that he doesn’t want to go to the Yankees or the AL. Why drag him here just for him to possibly be as miserable as RJ was?
mel, I’m curious, what does it matter if it’s a firm offer or if it’s a very strong opening offer with room for negotiation? And what does it matter if the offer is an expiring one or an open one until CC signs with someone?
The idea is to win the player at a cost acceptable to the Yankees, not to win the negotiations, if there’s a difference.
The Yanks aren’t making a pro forma offer to appease the fan base, as some teams do with some players; they really want to sign CC. The rest is details.
Mussina I’d be ok bringing back. He’s a class act and can still get it done. Plus would be a good mentor to the young ‘uns.
Pettite, no. When caught red handed, he “admitted” to doing performance enhancing drugs once (then when caught again, he admitted twice). Bottom line is he cheated, plus his second half last year was disgraceful. Not only shouldn’t he be brought back, he should give back a good part of last years salary that he stole.
Rob,
I’m thinking AJ’s a “late bloomer”, he just matured later than the others.
Just listen to what ball players say. They say he’s tough to face.
He definitely figured something out in Toronto, and it’s time for us to reap the benefits.
–Bottom line is he cheated, plus his second half last year was disgraceful.
Are you kidding? Andy pitched the second half injured because the team needed him; just like Derek played with a bad hand for months on end. Andy Pettite is a warrior, who made a mistake to help his team. Cut the guy some slack.
Didn’t look at it that way Laura I see your point now on his personality. The thing for me is if Randy Johnson had come here when he was 28 and dominated but was miserable and a real prickly peach I could have cared less. If you’re arguing that Jake won’t succeed on the field I would have to disagree with you and say that his league and stadium neutral numbers show that he is better than Wang. I’d take that for the right (prospect) price because I think Wang is better than Burnett. Will Peavy be miserable? I don’t care if he pitches the same way. If the argument is RJ and further Jake wouldn’t pitch to their potential because they don’t like NY I don’t know if I agree.
Nick,
You’ve scolded me before.
But really, I can’t see giving a pitcher $25M even if we “have” to get him. At that point, I think it’s time to move on. Seriously, would anyone pay Wang that much? Well, they’re similar in my eyes. They give me the same # of wins and have similar #s over the years (except strikeouts).
What I’m trying to say is that CC is not the only pitcher out there. We can win, with or without CC.
And I’m not penny-pinching. I’ve gone on record as saying this offer’s a good one. And it is.
I don’t know why Cashman wouldn’t be active with Peavy – he’s right up there with the best pitchers in the game. If they’re kicking the tires on a guy like Derek Lowe, they’re sure as heck serious about exploring a trade for Jake Peavy.
Prospects + salary + extension? So what? 2/3 of those are a non-issue for the Yankees. And being gun-shy about prospects cost Cashman Johan Santana, and probably the playoffs in ’07-’08. No reason to make the same mistake with Jake Peavy.
“pat, thanks but state and local(NYC) taxes also need to be factored in… At the end of the day, I assume 135 LAA and 150 NYY nets out slighly more for CC if he takes this hypothetical NYY offer vs. the hypothetical LAA offer.”
You are dead wrong.
In CA, the highest state tax rate is 9.3% (if your income is more than $ 1M.)
In NY the highest state tax rate is 6.85%.
CC is better off in NY for the same offer.
You are assuming that Peavy will be as good in the AL as he was in the NL. The jury is definitely out on that one. The guy pitches in one of the more pitcher friendly parks in the league. I find it hard to believe that he’ll be as good in the AL as he is in the NL. He knows this as well. Why do you think he’s so hesitant to switch leagues?
Look at his home/away splits from his unanimous Cy Young winning season of 2007 (he was hurt last year so 2007 is the benchmark)
Home – 2.51 era, 1.07 whip, .218 BAA
Away – 2.57 era, 1.05 whip, .195 BAA
So, as you can see, Petco does not inflate his numbers.
Jake Peavy is a nasty pitcher. I don’t buy the whole “he won’t be as good in the AL East” theory. Does his ridiculous fastball move less when he is facing AL East teams? I don’t get it.
I wonder if Cano + Kennedy + Melky is enough for Peavy???
But wouldn’t you rather have Burnett + Cano + Kennedy + Melky instead of Peavy?
I don’t think Peavy is likely with Burnett on the market. Say what you want about Burnett but he’s AL-East tested and Peavy is not. Peavy has said he does not want to pitch in NY but Burnett has expressed interest and the Yankees players want him here.
I’m sure the talk is just part of the Yankees plans to keep all options open. But the best option is to sign players for money and keep our trade chips unless absolutely necessary.
I want to add that I think the Yankees should concentrate on upgrading centerfield as soon as they lock up these free agent pitchers, whomever they may be.
Was Josh Beckett AL East tested when he came over? No. Does he have a world series ring now? Yes.
What is the last date to offer arbitration to the free agents?
Interesting to see if Yanks offer arbitration to I-Rod. If they do, it is clear Cash has an understanding with Boras to help him out with Lowe, Tex and Manny by letting him use yanks name that they are interested.
mel, discussing, not scolding. You’re right, CC is not the only pitcher out there, and though I want the Yanks to get him, I suspect they’ll still show up to play the games in 2009 even if he goes elsewhere.
But ‘he’s not the only pitcher out there’ is not the same as ‘hope this is a firm offer with an expiration date’. The former is just being realistic; the latter seems like it’s more about the perception of the negotiating process than about the result. Perhaps it’s just semantics. But a neutral reader might interpret your comments as betraying an indifference to signing CC at all. Which is ok!
The current offer is definitely a good one. If we take CC at his word, he doesn’t want to draw things out, so the question of the expiration date should hopefully be moot. Hopefully it becomes apparent that no other team is going to give CC what the Yankees will and then he can decide how important those other things are.
Pettitte may not be a stud, but he certainly would be one of the best #4s in MLB. We know he can handle NY. We know he eats innings. We know on any given day, he might pitch like a stud. We know he is competative and always puts himself on the line.
The Yankees need 6 starters. Not needing Phil this year can’t hurt. You can never have too much pitching.
Andty is not concerned with money. We can’t insult him with an offer, but his motivation is simply to be a Yankee for one more year. It would be insanity to turn down a on-year contract for Andy.
–If the argument is RJ and further Jake wouldn’t pitch to their potential because they don’t like NY I don’t know if I agree.
I don’t think that Peavy being unhappy in NY would affect his performance. I just don’t think we should be pursuing pitchers who have gone on record saying that they don’t want to pitch for us or in the AL.
Josh Beckett, as far as I know, did not state a preference for staying in the NL, though. I think it’s a red flag with Peavy. As I stated before, it says to me he doesn’t seem to want to extend himself beyond a specific comfort zone. That’s not say he couldn’t do well here; just that you’re already starting at a deficit with him – he’s not excited about the prospect of pitching on a large stage. That’s not an indictment of him as he is a talented pitcher – but everyone is wired differently.
I think at some point you have to weigh these “intangibles” and “red flags” that maybe have more to do with personality than pure talent. How else do you narrow the field and at the same time increase the percentages for a successful deal (trade or FA signing) in your favor?
–Jake Peavy is a nasty pitcher. I don’t buy the whole “he won’t be as good in the AL East†theory. Does his ridiculous fastball move less when he is facing AL East teams? I don’t get it.
Almost anyone you ask will tell you that it is legitimate to question whether a successful NL pitcher will have the same success in the AL. Fact is the AL has better hitters. Just because Peavy dominates NL hitters doesn’t mean he’ll do the same against AL hitters.
I’m not doubting that he’s a good pitcher. My issue (which I think I’ve beat everyone here to death with) is that I don’t think the guy really wants to be an AL pitcher or a Yankee.
At age 32 (in jan), isn’t Burnett a little too old for a multi year contract?
Also, Lowe is gonna be 36 next year.
atleast CC is only 28.
BB Fan
Yank21 may be a little off but short of dead wrong.
If CC’s state of residency is California, he still pays the majority of his taxes there no matter where he plays. He could deduct taxes for everyday he plays outside the state though. If he played for the Yankees, he would have to pay NY taxes for 84 days (81 home games + 3 against the Mets). That money can be deducted from the tax he pays to his state of residency though.
pat, weren’t/aren’t Jeter’s tax problems related to claiming Florida as his residence but (alegedly) spending too much time in New York? Or am I remembering wrong?
Nick,
Firm offer with an expiration date meant that, “We’re not rushing you or anything, but whatcha think? We got a deal or not?” That was the whole idea of throwing a record (barely)-breaking offer out there.
If we wanted to get into an auction-type situation involving other teams, I don’t think we would’ve started with a record offer for a pitcher. The whole point was to get the pitcher, but for this kind of consideration, I’d like not to get jerked into another stratosphere on the salary scale. And to get it done in a timely manner because we have a lot of money to spend and a lot of holes to fill.
Yanks in hot pursuit of Russell Martin and Matt Kemp according to rumor-monger Peter Gamons
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....mons_peter
2. Russell Martin. Some Dodger officials have spread the word that Martin will either be traded or moved to third base, with a Jason Varitek signing a possibility. Whether or not it actually happens will be interesting to see, but teams looking for catching, like the Red Sox, will do a headfirst dive to get in on Martin, who turns 26 in February. I’ve also heard that the Yankees are making a major push on Martin and Matt Kemp.
I am also not naive enough to think that your 25-man baseball team has to be one big happy family. There is no such animal – not anywhere.
The other thing is, though, that for Peavy to come here he does have to waive a NTC, so it is up to him. And if he decides he’s willing to waive that NTC, then one would hope he’s come to terms within himself that it would be a good move for him on balance.
Nick
You didn’t mis-remember. Florida has no state tax so lots of athletes use it as primary residence.
Jeter paid NY tax for the days he played in state but NY was claiming he should be taxed for the whole year minus the days he played out of state. The difference would have been millions.
He’s still careful in interviews to say he lives in Tampa.
Bret,
Isn’t that old news? Why would the Dodgers replace Martin, one of the hottest young catchers with a light hitting old man who can’t throw out a snail?
I thought Gammons worked for the Red Sox, not Boras.
Brent that blog post was dated November 4, eleven days ago. Since then Ned Colletti has said that Russel Martin is going nowhere.
mel, I don’t think you will be jerked into any other stratosphere, not to worry. I think the Yanks’ final offer (if we haven’t seen it already) will be such that, for him to turn it down, CC will be in effect saying that he really doesn’t want to play in the Bronx regardless of the value of the deal. Hopefully there is a dollar amount that will make him feel otherwise.
pat: I hope Jeter wins out on the tax issue; the diffence could be several Minka coats.
–He’s still careful in interviews to say he lives in Tampa.
Yes. In fact, I saw an interview with him recently where he said that he’s only in NYC when the Yankees are at home or for the holidays when he’s visiting his parents. Derek is no fool. He’s a master at giving interviews, but not saying anything that could come back to haunt him. After he’s done with baseball, he could go into PR work or even be a sports agent.
The SF Giants are small talking to Boras about Manny and Teix. Is Sabean finally thinking ?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....rss.giants
**The SF Giants are small talking to Boras about Manny and Teix. Is Sabean finally thinking ? **
or you mean giving stupid contracts that he will regret later on. See Barry Zito.
“the diffence could be several Minka coats.”
I see what you did there.
Just toeing the wrath of PETA line but yet not crossing it.
Get CC and Burnett problem solved. Peavy is a great pitcher but in the AL East he would be a 4.50 ERA pitcher just like Burnett, no need to trade prospects for the guy when we can get AJ for just money.
I am curious how the bidding is going to proceed from here.
I am hard pressed to find another team that will match our offer. Will the next bid be less money than ours? That seems kind of tacky but how else are teams going to express their interest in CC without matching our offer?
The WC teams know they don’t have to match us dollar for dollar… they just have to get close enough where CC considers taking a discount.
“The SF Giants are small talking to Boras about Manny…”
Did Sabean read my post last week about getting a new sometimes cranky LFer who hates the media, can crush a baseball and put butts in the seats?
“The Yankees, who are reportedly looking for a **catcher** in the **event** that Jorge Posada **is not** ready to start the season, could send a prospect to the Diamondbacks for **Montero**. Montero has drawn interest from the Red Sox, Giants, and Reds, among others, and it is possible the Diamondbacks might finally deal him.”
http://elismlbrumors.blogspot......nkees.html
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this could be interesting if its true.
James 3d — I think what teams may do is go for more or less years to differentiate from the money the Yankees are offering. Just a guess but I don’t think we’ll see another 6 year offer.
Wow – the rumor mill is really working overtime, isn’t it?
And sure enough, the Yankees are somehow involved in every single move contemplated by every team and free agent out there. Sigh.
Yankees rumored to be after every FA on the market.
Doreen
The only thing the Yanks haven’t been involced with are SS, 3B and closer but the weekend is still young and there are column inches yet to fill.
“Yank21 may be a little off but short of dead wrong.
If CC’s state of residency is California, he still pays the majority of his taxes there no matter where he plays. He could deduct taxes for everyday he plays outside the state though. If he played for the Yankees, he would have to pay NY taxes for 84 days (81 home games + 3 against the Mets). That money can be deducted from the tax he pays to his state of residency though.”
Pat, I agree with every thing you wrote.
I was questioning the the argument that if signs with an LA team he is better off with lesser deal. It is not correct.
involced = involved
pat, I’ve heard rumors that the Yanks might sign K-Rod just to keep him away from the Mets and then convert him to a utility infielder to rest Arod and Jeter. But I can’t cite the sourse, so pretend I didn’t say that.
Gotta run. Go Navy. Go Bears!
NICK– I thought I read that K-Rod would take over the Closer role for Mariano who would then be our every day centerfielder.
Miguel Montero ? please let that be true.
RE: J Peavy, does anyone know where we can see how he has done against AL teams during the inter-league games? There has been a lot of good debate about how well NL pitchers do in the AL, as you can see from the post below from the “Sporting News” Your Turn section on 18 October. The point about Pedro is interesting.
“Re: Peavy says
phinfanatic84 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:52 pm
krosnest07 wrote:
phinfanatic84 wrote:
I don’t blame him… he doesn’t want to get smacked around like every other pitcher that switched from the National League to the American League. After seeing C.C. go from one of the top pitchers in the AL to pitching like a first ballot Hall of Famer in the National League (shaving OVER a full run off his ERA) it’s easy to see which is the easier league for pitchers.
Not every pitcher gets smacked around when they go from the N.L. to the A.L.
Look at Josh Beckett, when he went from the Florida Marlins to the Boston RedSox he has gotten better(and dont mention that he has sucked during the postseason because we all know that, its because of an injury that he has)
Look at AJ Burnett(even though I dont like him) when he also went from the Florida MArlins to the Toronto Blue Jays. He has gotten better with also less time on the DL.
I mean yeah Willis was good with the marlins then stunk so far with the tigers but then again he started to stink with the marlins.
My point is there are pitchers who actually thrive when they go to the AL from the NL
Please… Josh Beckett has been awesome for the Red Sox but look at his numbers! He’s has been WORSE since joining the Red Sox! His ERA went up a run, his batting average against went up, so did the batters slugging percentage and OPS. Beckett has given up more runs in his three years in Boston than he did in all FIVE YEARS in Florida combined. Beckett gets more credit now because he plays for a large market team and is always in the post season (plus he’s been lights out in the post season).
A.J. Burnett is turning into a really good pitcher too but like Beckett his ERA is higher in the American League (Burnett’s ERA this year was over 4). I didn’t look at any pitchers that started in the American League, went to the National League and then came back to the American League but if the numbers of Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Roger Clemens, and Andy Pettite show anything it will be that their ERA is higher in the AL (like Curt “The Skirt” Schillings 4.20 ERA in Boston).
Rich Harden goes from Oakland where he has a career 3.33 ERA in the American League (which is really good) to the Cubs and has a 1.78 ERA for them. I could probably go all day with examples of American League pitchers going to the National league and dominating (Randy Johnson, C.C., Harden, etc) but I have to leave for work.
Only Pedro Martinez has gone from the National League to the American League and actually lowered his ERA! Pedro is the only NL pitcher who thrived in the AL. Barry Zito is pretty much the only AL pitcher to go to the National League and totally stink it up.
The facts are the facts. The D.H. and the American League line up’s are superior to the National League line up’s.
“The Yankees are idiots if they are trying to get Peavy to come here. All they will end up doing is sending him back to the NL when he gets here and doesn’t like it. You’d think they’d learned their lesson with Randy Johnson. I guess not.”
You do realize that Peavy and Randy Johnson are two completely different people right?
Don’t assume Peavy won’t like it in the Bronx simply because Randy didn’t.
“Hughes and Kennedy are pathetic. As soft as they come. Neither will have any real success in NY. Best to package them now before they totally expose themselves…”
A kid who makes it to the majors at 20 and another kid who flies through every level of the minors in 1 year are as soft as they come?
Something tells me your brain tissue is as soft as it comes……
Peavy has great stuff and a great attitude but I don’t think its a NY attitude. It takes a special player to perform here.
Not to mention Peavy has “a strong preference to avoid the Boston-New York holy war”.
“You do realize that Peavy and Randy Johnson are two completely different people right?
Don’t assume Peavy won’t like it in the Bronx simply because Randy didn’t.”
Pete already posted something along the lines that Peavy just does NOT want to pitch in New York.
Al from BK -
That’s what I’m sayin’ !
Back Bench -
I’m thinking it’s not that the NL pitchers aren’t as good, but that the hitters in the NL are better, and if not better, there are simply more legitimate ones to face in a lineup that includes a DH. As someone above stated, they don’t all of a sudden forget how to pitch or lose speed off their fastballs once they get to the AL. So, it must have to do with the calibre of hitting in the AL.
I know that I ALWAYS add one run to the ERA of a pitcher coming over from the NL to the AL. If by adding that one more run still leaves the pitcher well within or better than AL league average, then I really don’t see a problem. But I think you might have to factor in how that might affect a pitcher psychologically – will he still believe in his stuff, or will he think he’s doing something wrong/different and try to fix things to get back to his NL results – which won’t work, because it’s not him.
Please dont go after Peavy. There’s something about him that just says that he won’t go good in the Bronx.
CC and Burnett are the way to go.
Guys would you do Bruney/Edwar Ramirez for Ryan Church ?
I didn’t read through all the comments, but I know I’m not the only one who vehemently doesnt want to trade Cano for Peavy, (or trade for Peavy period for that matter). Cashman just emphasized the value of buying low in the Swisher trade, hopefully that is a sign that he grasps the importance of selling high too. I’m not against trading Cano in the right deal at some point down the line, but now is certainly not the time to do it.
“I’m not against trading Cano in the right deal at some point down the line, but now is certainly not the time to do it.”
Thank You.
Brandon – I’d be leary of Church, because of his history of concussions.
“Brandon – I’d be leary of Church, because of his history of concussions.”
I know but we’re not the Mets we’d actually rest him until he’s reading to come back instead of flying him to Colorado and playing him the next few days.
Brandon, probably Veras and Ramirez for Church. I think Bruney would be the setup guy going in 2009 if he cuts down on the walks.
ready* (hey it happens)
Ed your right they probably would want a latino.
“I’m not against trading Cano in the right deal at some point down the line, but now is certainly not the time to do it.â€
finally some sense on this board.
Give it time were getting close to happy hour.
we’re (crap that’s twice, I’m getting lazy)
“Ed your right they probably would want a latino.”
the top latino they want is K-Rod (not to sound racist) if Minya plays his game right.
Brandon, lol…stuff happens. woke up too early? hahas
more like club last night, ears hurt, woke up early to get $$$ from bank, laundry then back home.
“more like club last night”
Webster Hall?
Nah, We went LQs. I haven’t been to WH in awhile.
I went to LQ once, it was awesome. let me guess, last night was latino night?
You know they play other music at LQs
and no Latino Night is usually Saturdays I think.
“You know they play other music at LQs and no Latino Night is usually Saturdays I think.”
lol, hahas. gotcha.
Taj Lounge in 21st is hot, last time I was there like 2 weeks ago w/ a bunch of girls and do they love this chick’s music Lady Gaga I think her name is ? Her beat went on it was a circle forming of every type of chick rubbing against anything.
Espn reporting Braves/Peavy talks are over.
Houston next?
What if we-
Trade Cano and Nady to the dodgers for Kemp and Martin
Sign Hudson
Trade Kennedy or Hughes, Gardner or Cabrera, and Russo to Padres for Peavy
Sign CC
Just stay in the NL !
Ed remember what I told you about Happy Hour nearing ?, it’s almost here.
“Her beat went on it was a circle forming of every type of chick rubbing against anything.
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LOL,…i got to check out that out. inspirational music for the girls?
“Ed remember what I told you about Happy Hour nearing ?, it’s almost here.”
Oh yeah…thought normally happy hour doesnt start until 4 but oh well, today must be a special day.
I mean 5*
I can’t believe there are people in here against the idea of our favorite team acquiring 2 recent Cy Young award winning pitchers under the age 30 for anything.
If the Yankees get CC and Peavy it’s not a good thing, it’s a great thing.
This Navy/ND game is insane
“LOL,…i got to check out that out. inspirational music for the girls?”
This was the song, that’s the artist and I swear to you the reaction was almost like this but a bit wilder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-AuB0yw1UM
Just download Lady Gaga “Just Dance” I swear to you most girls know it by heart and some just wild out to it.
Re: Peavy
http://www.signonsandiego.com/.....livan.html
Lady Gaga is awesome. Christina A. needs to stop copying her
“Espn reporting Braves/Peavy talks are over.
Houston next?”
Chicago maybe? Just not the Bronx, I hope!
“Lady Gaga is awesome. Christina A. needs to stop copying her”
Ed see what I mean
G. Love: Sure, in theory no one would say no to adding a CY winner under 30, but I’m just against the idea of trading Cano at practically his lowest value possible. Especially for a pitcher whose success is somewhat a product of his home park, and I think I read that Peavy would want a new contract too. It comes down to the same idea as the Santana nontrade last year – why pay money and talent, when you can pay only money?
You all may have already seen and discussed this. I just saw it now.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy
Mama mia, Moosey, *PLEASE COME BACK!!!!!*
Despite all of the talk to the contrary, I am guessing that Moose comes back. I feel it in me bones.
Brandon, lol…i think its the other way around with Xtina and Gaga. it depends who came out first, since Xtina did 10 years ago but changed her appearance around 2001. So yeah, probably she did copied off Gaga. lol
Brandon, correction…just found out Gaga is only 22 and debuted this year. I would say probably her idol was Gwen Stefani or Madonnna while growing up due to her style.
Gaga I think is in her early 20′s and she from NY and according to the girls that were schooling me about her the music she creates is 10 times better than X-tina and her voice is just like hers and Xtina started copying her around the last yr. or so when she started blowing up overseas.
I could be wrong IDK I’d guess mel, SA and Trisha would know more about this. I just like watching the girls go crazy to it on the dance floor w/ me in the middle
LOL, you not the only one. hahas.
Brandon,
Please, do all of us a favor and stop with the visuals!
Did I miss the Braves making an offer to Tazawa? The link was from 9 days ago.
If Moose is “up in the air” with his decision, it probably means he will come back.
Brandon-
I thought you were spoken for?
So now that the Braves have “moved on” from Peavy, does C-Money see whassup?
BBB — We don’t even know if Cano would have to be part of the deal. He already makes a good deal of money and the Padres have none, hence why they are trading Peavy.
They’re going to want to prospects. Cheap ones.
I’m sure Hughes would have to go, but who in their right mind would not trade Hughes for Peavy?
If you wouldn’t, you’re just a Hughes fanboy, since Hughes isn’t as effective as Peavy and is more injury prone than Peavy.
At least Peavy can make it through a season and win in the bigs.
If Cashman can pull Peavy for prospects, it’s a frickin’ steal. If Cano and Hughes is what it takes to get Peavy, you do it and sign Hudson to play 2b and improve our defense.
A rotation built around CC, Peavy, Wang, Joba for the next 4-6 years will be INCREDIBLE. No one can match it.
“Brandon-
I thought you were spoken for?”
Still am, I can’t help it if her friends and her get loose to that music.
Brandon-
Hehehehe! Nice!
Why do the Yankees offer such a big premium over what other teams can offer? It makes no sense. Yanks should be able to sign players at a DISCOUNT given all the other benefits of playing for the greatest franchise in sports.
i still think we can sign both C.C. & tex ONLY if we don’t sign burnett & settle for less like a lowe or Mussina. IF he comes back. I just cant stand the possibility of the sox signing tex & us having a crappy lineup. But what do you guys think, would you settle for great pitching with risks involved and a crappy lineup? Thoughts?
It seems as if the Peavy sweepstakes are slowing up a bit.
I don’t see the Yankees in it as they’ve targeted their FA.
But if the price is right (no Hughes), I suppose I could be persuaded (even though I’m not thrilled about his home splits).
if cash can find a way to land peavy without involving hughes which i doubt, he should win GM of the year.
iris,
I was on the Tex thing a long time ago and would love to have him. There’s still a chance of him coming if he’s willing to take less to play in the east. I can’t see him going to Baltimore. Red Sox won’t pay him a ton when they’ve got Youkilis. I think the Yankees are still in play as Cashman’s not stupid enough to not explore the possibility of Tex in pinstripes. This is the ’09 version of the Bubba Crosby smokescreen. “We’re fully prepared to start the season with Nick Swisher at 1B.” Low risk trade for Swisher.
I don’t think the lineup’s going to be as crappy as everyone thinks it will be.
The glass is half-full!
Buddy Biancalana – man alive I sure hope so! (About Moose returning.) I’m feeling it. I’m feeling those vibes. I’m really hoping it!
That’s why you really need to wait it out and not give in to others’ opinions and thoughts (no matter how ABSOLUTE they may seem…) about what is going to happen with any particular player. I refuse to get on that rollercoaster ride!
When it happens, whatever “it” turns out to be – then I deal with that reality.
That’s why I still have Bobby Abreu and Moose pencilled in on my 2009 roster. There they both will stay until there is some kind of OFFICIAL notice to the contrary!
Cano will not be traded for Peavy or anyone else. He’s one of the top infielders in MLB and still has many, many All Star seasons ahead of him.
And if they trade him for a pitcher that they can duplicate twice over through Free Agency, who do they acquire with near equal talent to play Second Base??????
Sheesh!
Cano should NOT be traded. Hughes only in the right deal. For instance Hughes and a few others for Kemp I would do tonight. However the Yanks must be smart and not trade an all-star 2B who had one bad year, it will come back to bite them. Hughes we know his ceiling is a 3 starter in the AL, Cano’s potential is huge.
For the sake of my pinstripe pride – and also because I really mean it – I must go on record as stating I have no fear of the Sux lineup, with or without Teixeira. I respect any Yankee fan who feels the opposite, but please let it be known I am not one of them. In fact, I fear no team in the majors. (Again, I respect the right of any Yankee fan who has worries about any other team, and I respect any opinion in that direction. I just don’t share it.)
dear lord, here we go with the Peavy garble again…Towers will use the Yankees to gain leverage only to trade him to the Braves.
I think Cashman is smart enough to realize this, but even so.
One thing we have learned as Yankee fans. No announcement from Yankee management is cast in concrete…..
Last year….
“If A-Rod opts out we will not resign him”!!!
” since A-Rod has opted out, we will not make him an offer and will not resign him”!!
This year?…
It would be crazy to sign both CC and Teixeira at these prices”!!!
Don’t bet against it, especially since the Red Sox, we are told today, are in the hunt for Tex.
About the Sux and Tex – who gives a rat’s patootie? Well, I know for sure that at least Brandon and I don’t!
“I must go on record as stating I have no fear of the Sux lineup, with or without Teixeira.”
You shouldn’t. I know for sure the Yankees don’t. But they do respect them. Just as other teams don’t fear the Yankees but respect them.
Sox/Teix link….FWIW http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....s/thebuzz/
“For the sake of my pinstripe pride – and also because I really mean it – I must go on record as stating I have no fear of the Sux lineup, with or without Teixeira. I respect any Yankee fan who feels the opposite, but please let it be known I am not one of them. In fact, I fear no team in the majors. (Again, I respect the right of any Yankee fan who has worries about any other team, and I respect any opinion in that direction. I just don’t share it.)”
Trisha, I’m afraid you are exhibiting the symptoms of blind courage and Yankee-colored goggles. Obviously the Yankees have the chance to have a very formidable team next year, however there are many teams that can beat us and are deeper than us. To think we are the most superior team in the majors is flawed logic, we need to stop resting on our laurels and except that this team is good but not close to perfect.
Trisha, add me in as well.
Cano should be untouchable… we have no position talent at all in the minors and our lineup next year looks weak as it is.
Hughes can be had if we get a good offer
IDK about Tex to the Sux. That Lars Anderson kid looks like their 1B of the future.
Fredo – understand what you’re saying. Happy you said what you did. No fear of the Sux here.
Al from BK – if what you are saying is correct, the best I can say is that I come by it honestly! I mean and believe it through and through.
Ed – you and I are bonded for life! I apologize if that causes you distress!!!
R+.
No one should be untouchable. At the right price and in the right circumstance, if a deal betters your team in the long run, you make it. Its a business.
Al from BK,
Well said, but what laurels are we resting on?
Heres the 09 Sux line-up should Tex fall in their laps:
Ellsbury-CF
Pedroia-2B
Tex-1B
Ortiz-DH
Youkilis-3B
JD Drew-RF
Bay-LF
Lowrie-SS
?????-C
I don’t care how confident you are, that is a VERY good line-up.
Trisha, no distress at all. lol
Beware of (Peavy) cherry picked stats!!!!!
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Home – 2.51 era, 1.07 whip, .218 BAA
Away – 2.57 era, 1.05 whip, .195 BAA
“So, as you can see, Petco does not inflate his numbers.”
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Why pick a single year instead of his entire career???
Jake Peavy – Career IP/ERA/HR/K:
Home: 678 2.77 47 717 (1 HR/14.5 IP)
Away: 583 3.80 81 539 (1 HR/7.2 IP)
So…. what do we see? And ERA more then 1 pt higher on the road, 75% of the strikeouts and twice the HR rate.
Now consider that 90%+ of both H and A stats are against the weaker hitting NL, and with an unbalanced schedule favoring more games against the weak NL west. In NY, he is a RH pitcher with a short LF porch.
Is Peavy an excellent pitcher? You bet. He has a career ERA+ of 121, compared to Wang at 116. But put him in the AL East, and he won’t be as good. While ERA+ is nutralized for Park and League, it doesn’t not take into account Division and the unbalanced schedule, which can be significant, when going from the worst (NL West) to the best (AL East).
Again, Peavy is a VERY GOOD pitcher. But to give up Cano and/or Hughes and/or IPK and/or any other young talent….
IS PURE INSANITY!!!!!
As an aside – the downside to satellite television:
A downpour (such as what is happening right now in RI) causes you to sit and suddenly get a black screen with a message that says “searing for satellite signal”.
GRR!!!
Or, you watch a picture that breaks up, much like film at a movie theatre if it gets caught in the projector and starts to burn/melt
What I intended to say in my post was simply that anything and anyone is in play if it makes sense, irrespective of any contrary announcements that may have preceded it, especially those flowing from Yankee management.
Sox are much scarier than the Rays, who were a fluke. They will be good, but the Sox are the kings of that division, not the Rays. Rays will be a 90 win team, Sox will be a 95 win team.
I mean that team is loaded and Theo has some tricks up his sleeve this winter to make them even better. If Ortiz, Beckett, and Lowell were healthy, they would have beaten the Rays and won the WS. And people forget they lost Schilling, their #2 starter for the whole year too with no replacements. This year they will replace him with Lowe.
They will come out firing next year with a mean streak. If Cashman doesn’t improve the offense, we are screwed.
Al,
that lineup could be shut down. been it before, able to do it again.
PS: no more blogging for you?
“Al from BK,
Well said, but what laurels are we resting on?”
Many Yankee fans still think this is the team from 1996-2001. I for one have made peace that that team was a dynasty one of the greatest in the history of our legendary team. However this is 2009 the only players left from back then are Jeter/Posada and Mo. This team is no longer a dynasty now is the time to start building a new legacy and unfortunately you can’t move forward while living in the past. The old attitude of “were the best, because we have an NY on our chests!” needs to be retired.
Trisha, did you feel the same way one year ago? Two?
All you need to know the brilliant Cashman:
If the season started tomorrow, we would have replaced Abreu and Giambi (50 HRs/200 RBIs) with Gardner and Swisher.
I don’t care how good your pitching is, you need to hit in the AL. We have so many holes in our lineup right now.
ED- I couldn’t keep on top of it well enough I might restart it soon with a TON of updates. I’m letting myself become too much of a spectator need to keep on top of my writing.
Abreu will retire, everyone knows this.
Mussina will probably go to the Cubs and play right or the Mets if he can play left.
Yo Al – some of us scare more easily/worry more than others.
I’m not one of them, never have been, and never will be.
By the way, Ellsbury pretty much sucked this year. Your crystal ball telling you something about next year nobody else yet knows? Lowrie someone who causes you pause? Not I. So you’re thinking that Ortiz isn’t one a downswing? You might be right. Then again, you might not.
I don’t get shook by names on paper.
Again – I respect your right to view that lineup the way you do. I assume you respect my right to have a different visceral reaction to the same list of names on paper?
trisha was also ponson’s #1 supporter…….. ill leave it at that……..
Another point:
Winshares over the last 4 years:
Peavy 67
Cano: 63
So, even with Cano’s horrid year last year, he is almost as valuable as Peavy. He is younger, cheaper and less injury prone, and may actually be more valuable then Peavy if you consider bang-for-the-buck.
Nick – yes.
“Abreu will retire, everyone knows this.
Mussina will probably go to the Cubs and play right or the Mets if he can play left.”
Newark, I’m not feeling this. You might be right. I’m guessing/hoping you’re not.
Newark – that was a joke of course. I forget the smiley!
Al,
I get what you mean. I’m finding myself that I don’t have the time of the day, updating the blog when new rumors are flying out.
You know how people say CC wants to hit?
Well, he may get the chance to now… our lineup is so anemic right now, he could probably outhit the bottom of our lineup.
“trisha was also ponson’s #1 supporter…….. ill leave it at that……..”
You got it. I will be the number one supporter of any player in pinstripes who is helping out in any way shape or form, unlike many posters here who turn on a player the minute they don’t act like the wind-up puppets you expect them to be. I’ll leave it at that…
probably CC could be the DH on the day he’s pitching. double duties for him.
the sox are a very dangerous team
if they get teixeria they will win 110 games+
There is no Team in sports that I dislike more than the Boston Red Sox. That said, this is one of the better clutch hitting Teams in MLB. With the acquisition of Tex, they’d be real scary.
Sure, they will miss Manny and his presence, especially in Post Season.
But in 2008 the Red Sox finished:
1st in MLB in OBP
2nd in MLB in OPS (only to Texas)
3rd in MLB in Runs (2nd in the A.L to Texas)
3rd in MLB in Slg Pct ( behind Texas & White Sox)
Right now, They lack consistent starting pitching and 7th/8th inning relievers. But if their Farm develops (and its a good one) we’re in trouble for a few years!
Getting C.C and one other top line starter, plus a vast improvement in hitting w. RISP, is a must if the Yankees have Pennant hopes in 2009.
aardvark, I respect your right to think the way you do, but you are unequivocally a Sux fan or really want to be one. I remember your posts telling us that Beckett giving up 5
ER in 3 innings “gave his team a chance to win.” You said the same thing in the playoffs about Lester when he blew up.
So the way I see it, you live to say something positive about the Sux whenever someone here gives you the opportunity.
What a nightmare for the Yanks next year when they have to pitch to Tex, Ortiz, Youkilis and JD Drew in a row. Tex to Angels I can live with if he goes to Boston it could be a bad situation for us.
Lathamjoe, again I absolutely respect your opinion and your right to feel that way about the Sux.
I just don’t feel the same way.
No biggie.
“By the way, Ellsbury pretty much sucked this year.”
trisha, Ellsbury hit 280 last year while Cano hit 271, not to mention that Ellsbury was among the league leaders in stolen bases.
by your reckoning I would guess Cano didn’t even come up to the level of sucking this last year.
if hitting is that important to CC, he is a fool. What did he bat last year? .217? Oooohhh, scary.
i can appreciate that he enjoys hitting, but does he really think that is why a team wants him? its that magnificent arm he has.
silly stuff, this hitting.
Nick-
Did you go to the Prop 8 rally downtown?
I don’t remember this discussion being about Cano? Man you just can’t keep these Sux wannabe Yankee fans from hanging out here!
What makes everyone so certain Texeira is going to the Sox?
Where do they have room for him? The only way they do is by shifting Youk to 3B or the OF and that leaves them trying to find a team who is dumb enough to take on Lowell or they have to trade one of Ellsbury, Bay, or Drew. They wouldn’t be bright throwing Drew into CF.
So I don’t see how this is even a discussion short of a story in a paper that is more than likely meant to drive up the price on Teix.
So we’ve established something: fear or lack thereof in other team’s lineups has no correlation with the Yankees’ success or lack thereof in making or advancing in the postseason.
The free-agent signing period isn’t even 48 hours old and we have no idea what the actual opening day roster is going to be, so I don’t really get anyone’s excessive pessimism.
Excessive optimism is at least slightly more warranted given the options that we know are out there and the high likelihood that Cashman will field a competitive product. Yay team.
Buddy, I’m actually in an undisclosed location in Sonoma County right now. And I’m not much of a rally-attender anyway. And isn’t it generally better to rally about propositions before they’re voted on?
ok cash better work his magic and explore the possibility of tex in pinstripes. You just can’t rule it out. Maybe cashman has something under his wing but doesn’t want to say anything to the media. I feel that he will make him an offer and if he accepts fine if not move on. Either way we need another 30 hr guy in the lineup if not close to it. We still dont have a legit CF’er.
Chances are the sux are involved with tex to drive up the price. chances are they wont be able to move lowell and his bad hip.
We don’t need to dump $150 million + on Mark Teixeira.
Why else would we have traded for Nick Swisher? And DO NOT say CF.
“So we’ve established something: fear or lack thereof in other team’s lineups has no correlation with the Yankees’ success or lack thereof in making or advancing in the postseason.”
Why would it? How the Yankees perform during the course of a season is entirely independent of other teams’ limeups.
Nick-
Haha, yes I meant protest, not rally.
Al,
Exactly: to drive up the price.
Honestly, do you people think the Sox really need to add a bat like Tex when they already have Youk, Papi, Drew, and Bay at the heart of their order?
They’d do far better to spend their money elsewhere, for instance, on pitching…the Sox don’t really have too many holes to fill, unfortunately.
“We don’t need to dump $150 million + on Mark Teixeira.”
Jake – happy to see there are other members of the team here. So far it is you, Brandon, Ed, and I (that I know of or can remember).
I don’t mean to sound like Francessa here but what would it take to get McClouth?
No doubt the Moose would be a welcome and one of the best back of the rotation guys! It would be insane to expect a repeat performance of this year. But I’m for the moose in pini’s.
Is that true? The lineups of the opposing teams have no effect on the outcomes of the games?
That’s something I did not know.
It makes all that cap-tipping all the more suspect.
Nick – what happens in the course of a Yankee season (injuries to Yankee players, someone having an off season) is not dependent on any other teams’ lineup.
I would suspect that the more skitterish members of this forum don’t ever take the time to look beyond the final standings when they judge the “success” of the Yankees. I on the other hand look at the totality of the season, including things that happen. I guess that’s why I have the ability to put things in their proper perspective and not “FEAR THE MIGHTY SUX” or any other team.
However I respect your right to be as worried and or superficial in your assessments as you so choose…
“I don’t mean to sound like Francessa here but what would it take to get McClouth?”
They’d ask for Jackson or Hughes and McClouth is overrated by Fatso. He never even bothered to look at his hitting history comparing him to Paul O’neill.
BTW Nets fans it seems like Marcos Belleneli is going to NJ in a deal, hopefully it’s for Josh Boone and not Sean Williams (Lawrence Frank’s pet)
“BTW Nets fans it seems like Marcos Belleneli is going to NJ in a deal, hopefully it’s for Josh Boone and not Sean Williams (Lawrence Frank’s pet)”
:prying:
Aside from the fact that:
The Sox have Youkilis
Lowell is still owed $20+ million and is coming back from surgery which could hurt his trade potential
Boras wants $200 million for 10 years
Theo doesn’t believe in long term contracts
The only contract Theo has ever given over 5 years was to Dice K (6) and that was likely because it helped off-set the posting fee
AND
Tex felt that the Sox bad mouthed him which caused him to drop in the draft,
Boston seems like the a perfect fit.
Al,
At this rate, I would sign up for the Angels getting Teixeria in a heartbeat. No way do we want him in Boston hitting between Ortiz, Drew, Bay, and Youkallis.
I normally would dismiss the idea of being able to move Lowell, but these are the Sox and they are the model franchise right now and Theo always finds a way to pull off something like this if he wants to.
Please Angels, just snatch him off the market quickly.
pat -
“They’d ask for Jackson or Hughes and McClouth is overrated by Fatso. He never even bothered to look at his hitting history comparing him to Paul O’neill.”
I disagree with the Paul O’neill jazz but he is a good hitter 24 bombs 96 RBI’s. He also won the gold glove this year in center.
Nick in SF -
That’s not what she said. She had the performance of the Yankees’ lineup has nothing to do with the performance of the other teams’ lineups. And that’s true.
The Yankee lineup only has to score one more run than the other team to win. They can win every game 3-2. But against teams with a really strong offense, you need a pitcher who is capable of holding that team at bay just enough so your team can score one more run. They can win those games 4-3.
Anyway, it costs nothing to be positive and optimistic rather than negative and pessimistic – especially now. There are possibilities. And every team starts with no wins and no losses, no carryover from the previous season. Anything can happen.
Might as well be upbeat. Hey, they Yankees just submitted a huge offer to CC and signed a guy who can play first base better than the guy before him and so put themselves in a position as not be to caught with their pants down, so to speak, when the season begins and Mark Teixeira is still in LA. So far, so good.
trisha,
Ya, it just seems obvious that the Yankees nor the Sox have any real “need” for the guy. It’d be nice to have him, but its not necessary, especially at the asking price.
No thanks.
Pitching wins and that is the Yankee focus right now..thank god.
Al – I’d rather try for Kemp over McClouth. Kemp would be cheaper too.
Oh the coach’s pet reference was for Boone since Frank continues to put him out there as a starter when he just isn’t.
“Pitching wins and that is the Yankee focus right now..thank god.”
Good lord that’s a bingo!
Hughes for Issac Bruce would be a great trade… but I think the Reds would move Votto before Bruce
Thanks Doreen. That is exactly what I meant.
“Oh the coach’s pet reference was for Boone since Frank continues to put him out there as a starter when he just isn’t.”
yeah i know.
Exactly: to drive up the price.
If trading for Swisher somehow contains or lowers the price for Tex by $15 million, Nick has already earned his keep and the Yanks might be in on Tex. If it doesn’t, Cash moves forward.
**Hughes for Issac Bruce would be a great trade**
who in the world is Issac Bruce? Jay’s evil brother?
Who needs offense when you have a staff of Sabathia, Wang, Burnett, Pettitte, and Chamberlain?
With Rivera, Melancon, Marte, Bruney, Coke, Veras, Dunn, Sanchez, etc. throwing gas out of the pen?
We will have Gardner on the basepaths to manufacture runs with Christian on the bench to pinch run for guys. We will win a bunch of 3-2 games like the 05 White Sox. We’ll be fine.
First of all, Trisha, the real point I made above was that YOUR lack of fear of other teams’ lineups has no effect on what happens on the field. As you said, you felt the same way a year ago as you do today and the Yanks finished in third place. So it was more of a joke.
As for your point about other teams’ lineups having no effect on the Yankees, I’m not sure how you can say that since the Yankees don’t play their games in a vacuum. Your assertion, while still incorrect, only makes sense if you believe that the only reason the Yankees ever fail to win a particular game and the World Series every year is because of injuries or particular players having an off-day or an off-season. It’s all quite mad.
Anyway, I never said anything about fearing the Sox, the Rays, or any other team. I do, however, endorse sobriety. Beyond that, it’s all just chatter about a kids’ game, so you go, girl. Don’t give the pessimists an inch.
I know this may not be popular but what about re-signing Farnsworth?
Anytime, Trisha.
If you don’t pay attention to what your competitor is doing or about to do, you will lose, irrespective of what business or sport you are in. It’s Competition 101. If the Yankees don’t care what the Sox are doing, then the best 09 has to offer is a battle for 3rd in the AL East. Cashman cares and cares plenty..as do the Steinees. Likewise in Beasntown as to what the Yankees are doing.
That said, if the Yankees do not add a Big Bat, and go with what’s on the roster now as to position players, it will be a battle for 3rd even if they add CC and the other two.
“Patrick Ewing Jr. popped his head out of the locker room door at the Knicks’ practice facility Saturday in full view of reporters, one of whom asked, “What up, Junior?”
Or at least something to that effect.
“Oh, just working out,” he said, dressed from head to toe in team blue practice gear.
Uh-huh.
We call it getting ready to re-up with the team that cut him last month once it does something with Stephon Marbury or someone else.”
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Welcome back Jr.! Hopefully
Wow Mr. Positivity, I am getting psyched just thinking about that. Remember our teams when we had Wells, Cone, Pettitte, Duque, Ramiro Mendoza, Stanton, Nellie and then Mo?
Holy lord we were unbelievable.
Pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching and pitching.
Phew!
Doreen: you argue it better, but it’s still flawed.
Nonetheless, as I wrote earlier, I’m optimistic and think the pessimists have no good argument pending the final roster.
Nick in SF -
I don’t know why you keep missing Trisha’s point. I don’t want to argue, but she’s not saying the Yankees as a team are not affected by other teams’ lineups. That would be silly. Of course they are. But the Yankees own lineup does what it does regardless of who is in the other team’s lineup. Now, if you bring pitching into the equation, that’s the other side to it.
Boston is the defending world champs… I don’t know how people don’t fear them.
You would think our arrogance would have subsided after their 2nd title, if not after 04. We finished in 3rd place and our competition is only getting stronger. Our lineup is getting weaker.
Actually Nick, all of your pop psychology and word twisting notwithstanding, I continue not to fear any other team.
Next.
Ariel – actually Derek Jeter said it best when he said that all the Yankees have to do is play their game and not worry about what other teams are doing. That’s the confidence I have in the Yankees and I believe the confidence they have in themselves.
YOU CAN DO AND FEEL WHAT YOU NEED TO ABOUT THE COMPETITION.
It has no affect on how I perceive the competition or the game.
In other words, I am not telling anyone else here how they should be looking at the competition, but I notice that those with the most “fear” seem to continue to tell us who lack it that we should somehow have it. That is borne of your own insecurities and nothing else since I am not telling you to drop your fear. I am secure in the way I feel about the Yankees and not worrying about the other teams. Do what you need to do.
I still won’t worry.
Well, last year the Yankees lineup didn’t do much. Other than causing me to scream at my TV and pull out my hair in frustration.
Yes pitching is the main focus here but the Yanks need to find themselves a CF’er, a legit one and we’re set with the lineup. Can’t depend on someone like Gardner who has not even played half a season. Guess we’re stuck with melky & his 250 BA .. How about dejesus?
“Who needs offense when you have a staff of Sabathia, Wang, Burnett, Pettitte, and Chamberlain?”
That is dangerous thinking. The Rays and Cubs both had shut-down rotation then come postseason time the bats slowed and they didn’t win it all. Rays had Kazmir/Shields/Garza/Sonnanstine, Cubbies had Zambrano/Harden/Lilly/Dempster offense is always important. Anyone who watched the Yanks this year know that at least a dozen games were lost because of poor run support. Games where Rasner/Ponson actually gave 6 quality innings and the Yanks got shut out.
“Boston is the defending world champs… I don’t know how people don’t fear them.”
Um, that would be the Phils. About fearing them – reading my post to Ariel.
Knock yourself out.
Doreen – one of Nick’s flaws is that he seems to need to “set people straight”. You know, the bible according to Nick. I on the other hand believe in letting people actually feel and believe according to what makes sense to them.
Oh well.
I would trade Nady and bring back Abreu for 2 years and a vesting option for a 3rd year.
Abreu adds so much to the team— speed, patience, .290 average, high OBP, 20 HRs, 40 doubles, rocket arm etc.
Doreen: I will take your word for it, but then Trisha’s original point was no point at all, just tautology. No matter, we’re all on the same side here. Love, not fear!
Peace out.
Why anyone would want Peavy on the Yankees is beyond me…
1. He pitched in the NL West. The NL West. One more time now, the N L W e s t.
2. The NL West is in the NATIONAL LEAGUE.
3. Peavy’s home stadium is a pitcher’s paradise.
4. He has failed in clutch (i.e. playoff) spots for the Padres.
5. He is obviously not made for NY at all.
Doreen, people who insist on only looking at the bottom line will not be able to understand the perspective of those who look at how you got there as well.
Don’t waste your breath, it’s not worth it.
Ariel -
I think that’s why the emphasis is on pitching, becauser really good pitching, consistent pitching, has the potential to neutralize a potent offense. Mediocre pitching gets lucky every once in a while. And it’s not good enough to 1 or 2 good pitchers while the bottom 3 are mediocre or less. You need good pitching 1-5, and at the very least you need your pitching matchups 3-5 to be in your favor most of the time (assuming most teams have a pretty good 1-2).
Of course the Yankees care what their competition is doing. And if the Sox land Teixeira, well, that will be a concern, but no more so than when they had Manny in the lineup, in my opinion.
What is encouraging about Swisher is he does have “pop” – he’ll hit homeruns. He’ll also get on base. I’m hoping the BA will come up a bit (okay, more than a bit). Another big bat would be great, but if the Yankees get the pitching they’re after, they should be in pretty good shape without having to score 8 runs a game.
I’d be more concerned if the Red Sox got Burnett than if they got Teixeira.
Nick in SF -
Peace out!
Cool. Nick admits defeat while pretending to claim victory!
I have to wonder if his parents told him he could do no wrong or if he just developed that defect on his own.
Peace out Nick.
CC has also sucked in the playoffs…both have issues in the playoffs…
…the differences is, is that we are going to pay CC, and not give up plus prospects as well.
I still think it would be a mistake to give AJ a contract of 4 years…I rather not sign him.
As for Lowe, at 36, I wouldnt wanna go more than 2 years.
In saying this, I’d go for Sheets. His market is low, so he will accept a 3 year deal at 14 a year. He is younger than AJ. He has the same injury risk as AJ, except when Sheets is healthy, he is an ace and just as good as CC, if not better.
He also has the head for NY…I think you give Sheets a 3 year deal after signing CC, resign Andy…and then decide on what to do with the offense and CF…if we could get a real set up man, that would be nice, but I doubt someone like Wood (only real promising power arm free agent) wants to set up…
I wouldnt wanna give Tex 8 years, so I doubt he is in the equation for the yanks when it all comes to a head.
CC and Sheets is the best way to go when you talk about free agent starters…and resign Andy
CC
Sheets
Wang
Andy
Joba/Hughes/Whomever
ugh if the yankees don’t sign teixeira, the angels better beast on him. Heard they’re expected to make him a BIG offer then set the date.
Damon-Jeter-Matsui-Rodriguez-Posada-Cano-Nady-Swisher-Gardner?
Man… Beckett, Lowe, Dice-K, Lester, Wakefield, Buchholz, Masterson, Delcarmen, Okijima, Papelbon etc. are salivating thinking about facing that lineup.
We will never hit good pitching. We’ll pad our stats against Baltimore, KC, Detroit, Texas etc. but in a big spot and a big game vs. good pitchers, we will NEVER score. And the bottom of the order will be lucky to make contract.
“I’d be more concerned if the Red Sox got Burnett than if they got Teixeira.”
You betcha. The only season the Sux did us in (and it happened as a result of all of our pitching injuries) was the season that their rotation did not once go down all season!
Pitching, pitching, pitching.
Not sure if he misspoke but I just heard Steve Somers on the FAN say that the offer to Sabathia is now at 6 years and $155 million. Can anyone else confirm?
Theo is going to really upgrade the team this winter.
They will have a stud young catcher (Salty, Max Ramirez, Russal Martin etc.)
They will have a new SS or stud 1B (texeria or frucal)
2 new potches (Lowe, Burnett, Peavy, Cain etc.)
and some stud bullpen arms (Juan Cruz, Kerry Wood, etc.)
Sox already won 95 games with all their injuries. With a healthy Beckett and Lowell, plus their offseason additions, they will be unstoppable.
“Sox already won 95 games with all their injuries. With a healthy Beckett and Lowell, plus their offseason additions, they will be unstoppable.”
Case closed. Let’s cancel the 2009 season and save everyone the hassle then.
“Damon-Jeter-Matsui-Rodriguez-Posada-Cano-Nady-Swisher-Gardner?
Man… Beckett, Lowe, Dice-K, Lester, Wakefield, Buchholz, Masterson, Delcarmen, Okijima, Papelbon etc. are salivating thinking about facing that lineup.
We will never hit good pitching. We’ll pad our stats against Baltimore, KC, Detroit, Texas etc. but in a big spot and a big game vs. good pitchers, we will NEVER score. And the bottom of the order will be lucky to make contract.”
Sad but true. This team needs pitching and another bat.
Agree with those who said the Sox are more of a threat than the Rays.
We handled Tampa pretty easily this year. They don’t have an impressive lineup or bullpen. Their pitchers can be hit too except Kazmir.
Boston on the otherhand, was a battle every game. They own our pitchers and they have a shut down closer, explosive offense, and the winning pedigree. They also have money to make substantial moves this winter, Tampa does not.
Tampa will be good, but Boston is the team we will be chasing.
“Case closed. Let’s cancel the 2009 season and save everyone the hassle then.
”
Geeze do we even have a prayer in 2010???
“Tampa will be good, but Boston is the team we will be chasing.”
I think you mean that Tampa will be good but the Sux are the team who will be chasing the Yankees, don’t you.
That’s what I thought.
Let sox have Tex. Whoever gets him is going to pay through the nose — Boras has vowed to extract a pound of flesh from BOston — which outsmarted him on Dice-K. Besides, they’d have to move Youk to third and likely cut Lowell loose. Lowell is a much formidable clutch player than Tex. Much rather face Tex with game on line than Lowell.
Actually, there are many signs sox are on downward slope. Never would have won without Manny. And won’t win now that he’s gone. Ortiz is obviously on withdrawal from PED’s. Beckett’s problems maybe more serious than anyone has let on.
Besides, they’ve been mass-producing bad karma.
“We will never hit good pitching”
I guess we accidentally lucked into winning the season series against the Rays this year…
I don’t know if i totally understand this whole “pitching wins championships in the post-steroids era” philosophy. In the “post-steroids era” (which wasn’t really caused by steroids), could superior hitting be more important than superior pitching? Now that the game is starting to favor defense, mediocre pitchers are suddenly having the seasons of their lives.
“Let sox have Tex. Whoever gets him is going to pay through the nose—Boras has vowed to extract a pound of flesh from BOston—which outsmarted him on Dice-K. Besides, they’d have to move Youk to third and likely cut Lowell loose. Lowell is a much formidable clutch player than Tex. Much rather face Tex with game on line than Lowell.
Actually, there are many signs sox are on downward slope. Never would have won without Manny. And won’t win now that he’s gone. Ortiz is obviously on withdrawal from PED’s. Beckett’s problems maybe more serious than anyone has let on.
Besides, they’ve been mass-producing bad karma.”
Man alive you rock. In addition, you make total sense with that post.
Thanks for spelling it out. Maybe some posters here will be able to get a little sleep tonight!
I still don’t understand how the Yanks plan on losing Abreu and Giambi then subbing them for Nick Swisher. That is 196 RBI’s being traded in for 69 RBI. This team is one bat away from being very solid. However Cash can’t wipe his hands with this offense its not sound at all. We are currently depending on way too many over the hill hitters.
Al, I am still not convinced that Abreu is not coming back.
But even if he isn’t, we are just at the beginning. Nobody knows how things will look by the time spring training rolls around. I think you have to have faith.
Hopefully a healthy Jorge and Sui will help make up for a lot of the run differential that we missed this year. A better year by Jeter and Cano won’t hurt either. I think we were really hurt by a lot of injuries and “bad seasons” rather than not having the players to do the job!
Al,
I can understand what you’re saying, but your logic is flawed. You’re saying that Swisher will bat twice in the lineup? Swisher is replacing either Giambi (likely) or Abreu. He’s not replacing both. But, yes, we do need another bat.
Al
Jorge’s bat is also going to replace Molina’s and in a roundabout way Matsui’s replaces someone elses. Look at the numbers with binoculars instead of a microscope.
“You betcha. The only season the Sux did us in (and it happened as a result of all of our pitching injuries) was the season that their rotation did not once go down all season!”
trisha, I don’t blame you one bit for having confidence in your team and cheering them on with all your energy. However to state the the Sox rotation did not go down once all season just plain wrong. Schilling was out before the season even started. Dice-K was out for at least a month. Wakefield was out several starts with a bad back. Beckett was out several starts with shoulder problems.
Certainly cheer your team on, but stick to the facts.
Regardless of what other players IE (Cano, Jeter, Posada, Matsui) Abreu and Giambi are gone and only one player is being brought in return. Also Swisher not even at his best is he anywhere close to Giambi or Bobby as far as production goes. This is a huge oversight by the FO.
uh ray – I was referring to 2004. Ha ha ha ha ha! That’s actually funny, that you’d think that I would say that this year the Sux had a healthy rotation.
Read more carefully and examine what something might mean if it REALLY is preposterous, as what you are suggesting would be. And if you follow along with the conversation that preceded my post, you will note that I was asked a question about particular years for the Sux. I made reference to the year they beat us straight up – that would be 2004.
hello, ray….
And by the way Ray, if you knew anything at all about your team, you would know that the only season the rotation didn’t go down once WAS 2004. I believe that was the premise of my post? Why yes it was. Careful reading helps here you know.
Al,
We all have reservations, but I know that Trisha will join me in cheering whatever team takes the field.
I’d like to add Tex. I think they’re going with Gardner in CF. If they can find a better hitting CF that can play defense and run the bases just as well as Gardner, sign me up.
We need to take care of the pitching first, and then we can try all those crazy trades you guys are always suggesting!
“We all have reservations, but I know that Trisha will join me in cheering whatever team takes the field.
”
No truer statement could be made. My favorite team is the one the Yankees choose for me!
just curious, trading Nick Johnson for bench? if Matsui decided to call it quits and go back to Japan, Johnson could be the new DH in 2010. Honestly, I think Johnson’s bat and plate knowledge could replace Abreu off and on the bench.
trisha – Mike Mussina is still in my 2009 starting rotation. CC will opt to be a Yankee.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
“And by the way Ray, if you knew anything at all about your team, you would know that the only season the rotation didn’t go down once WAS 2004″
trisha….no need to get uppity about it. I realize you don’t want any sox fans on here but it is a public blog.
Hey Trisha – did you ever take the Stadium tour last week? I know it was a pretty nasty day.
“No truer statement could be made. My favorite team is the one the Yankees choose for me!”
So you support blind fan-dom. I will always root for the Yanks but I am allowed to be mad at the FO should they grossly overlook the line-up.
“trisha….no need to get uppity about it. I realize you don’t want any sox fans on here but it is a public blog.”
A guy way of saying that you got it wrong. Cripes that’s pathetic.
So, ray, tough night for both of us last night, huh?
Swisher will put up nice numbers with the Yankees… not great – but NICE numbers.
He’s a grinder that takes walks and finds his way on base.
Gardner will improve and deserves the shot to show that he’s a modern day Dykstra (minus the roids)
Abreu, Giambi, Pettitte and Mussina…
… ‘Good – Bye .. Nice To Know You’
-Incubus
Al – I support feeling any way you need to feel! Don’t you people get it yet? I don’t tell you how or what to think. I don’t need to be told how or what to think. JCA!
I root for whatever team is put on the field. I know what is best for me. I live accordingly. I’m certainly not telling you to go that way. Mel made a statement. I heartily agreed with the premise.
Man this is exhausting!
mel
November 15th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
“So, ray, tough night for both of us last night, huh?”
Hey mel, I think the celtics were lucky that we played the pistons when it was Iverson’s first game with them and he hadn’t had a chance to mesh with them yet.
Not predicting, just saying I think there is a fair chance that the finals this year will be the same teams.
with Mel, Al, and Trisha debating. this is better than the politics. no pun intended.
Fran, it was absolutely FANTASTIC. I was in awe the entire time. We got to sit in the press box, go into the clubhouse, into the dugout. I actually got some great pictures. It just takes me some time to get them from my camera to the internet!
I was in awe is the best way I can say it. Looking at Thurman’s locker in the lockerroom was a pretty emotional thing. I am so happy I did it. I really wish you could have done it, but I at least can share the pictures with you. To think that you were in THE dugout where the best have sat is pretty powerful.
“I root for whatever team is put on the field. I know what is best for me. I live accordingly. I’m certainly not telling you to go that way.”
When you say “I know what is best for me” do you mean the Yankees? Thinking that the Yanks can do no wrong is not being a fan its being a croney. Let me guess you think Igawa has a future with the team and Brett Gardner is Lou Brock.
“I’d rather try for Kemp over McClouth. Kemp would be cheaper too.”
No he wouldn’t. I’m pretty sure the price in prospects for Kemp would be much greater than the price in prospects for McClouth.
ray,
I don’t prognosticate because I’m superstitious.
As you can see a lot of thoughts here about Tex putting on some pink sox.
Whatcha think? What’s the word from up north? No way they give years and $$$, right? How far away is that Lars kid?
Trisha, I am so glad you got to go. Can’t wait to see your pictures. Did you get to go to Monument Park also since they didn’t move it across the street to the new stadium until this week?
No Al, but I do think the Yankees know more than you do and I KNOW they know more than I do.
Okay with you?
We got to go to Monument Park also. I didn’t spend a lot of time there because I had gone there the last game, and because it was so lousy out, but this time my camera worked! I have a picture of me with the Babe’s monument. I don’t know that there is a picture I could treasure more.
“However Cash can’t wipe his hands with this offense its not sound at all. We are currently depending on way too many over the hill hitters.”
It’s November 15th. NOVEMBER FifthFreakingTeenth. Before you complain about the lineup shouldn’t you wait until at least until pitchers and catchers report?
“Whatcha think? What’s the word from up north? No way they give years and $$$, right? How far away is that Lars kid?”
mel, a lot of people in the organization are very high on the Lars kid. However, I think he did just play single A last year. I try to get to a few Portland Sea Dog games each year which is the double AA Sox team.
He is supposed to start there this next year, but the Sox have been known to move guys directly from double AA to the big leagues sometimes. I look forward to seeing him in person some.
Tex would be a good match for the Sox, but I don’t see them committing to ten year contract.
Nick Johnson doesnt have enough pop for dh. I do think we should go after him for backup first base. Hopefully not playing full time keeps him healthy.
I would also look for Juan Rivera as a 4th outfielder for cheap.
“No Al, but I do think the Yankees know more than you do and I KNOW they know more than I do.
Okay with you?”
Fair enough. I think its great that the Yanks are FINALLY going all in for pitching. However you cannot neglect the offense which was horrible this year. I know you were in here back in August when this team couldn’t get any run support for Moose. We were all screaming for a big bat come the off-season and nothing has changed we still need a bat perhaps not Tex but somebody, anybody! Kemp, McClouth, Manny, Dunn we just need RBI’s, and they are NOT coming from Melky, Gardner.
As I recall, great teams seem to have great defense in the middle (and great pitching). Jeter and Posada are diminishing each year (Sorry Doreen), Cano is erratice at best, and Gardner, bless his energizer bunny heart, isn’t going to make too many forget he can’t hit for power (or average?). So why worry about Texiera (although he woul be a wonderful acquisition)? CC yes, but not for a bundle (or a bigger one than currently offered) and find us a center fielder? Or a ready catcher just in case–oh, and a solid bench inflieder. (too many typos, too much caffiene).
“It’s November 15th. NOVEMBER FifthFreakingTeenth. Before you complain about the lineup shouldn’t you wait until at least until pitchers and catchers report?”
By the time pitchers and catchers show up it will be too late to add a quality bat to this line-up. If this team thinks Swisher is the big off-season pick up for the offense then this team is in trouble.
–By the time pitchers and catchers show up it will be too late to add a quality bat to this line-up. If this team thinks Swisher is the big off-season pick up for the offense then this team is in trouble.
I’ve had time to give it some thought and I think that Cash has got something else lined up. God knows that I like Gardner, but I really don’t think that the Yankees plan to have he or Melky man CF. They may be trying to put together a deal to get McClouth (I think he’s slightly overrated) or Cameron (he’s older than I’d like). I will be very surprised if Gardner/Melky is our starting CF come April.
Al, I think Raymagnetic is saying that there is a lot of off season left. Nobody knows what other moves are going to be made. So you need to wait and see what happens.
Laura – I think you are right. Cashman doesn’t tip his hand. Remember 3 years ago that Bubba Crosby was going to be the starting CF and then the Yanks signed Damon.
“By the time pitchers and catchers show up it will be too late to add a quality bat to this line-up. If this team thinks Swisher is the big off-season pick up for the offense then this team is in trouble.
The free agency period started yesterday. No free agents have been signed by ANY teams as of yet. You have no idea what the plans are for next year.
There are so many variables and unknowns about next year and you are complaining as if the season starts tomorrow.
It may be difficult for you but maybe just maybe try waiting and see what happens?
Nick Swisher was virtually gotten for nothing. Everybody thinks the Yankees basically stole Swisher from the Sox. Despite having a .217 BA or whatever it was he still walked 89 times last year and saw the most pitches per AB in the entire league.
Do you know how many Yankees walked even 80 times last year? ZERO! Nick Swisher is a MUCH better player than you’re giving him credit for.
Amen to that Fran.
We just need to sit back and feel the excitement of what’s to come! I actually enjoy the suspense!!!
**Nick Johnson doesnt have enough pop for dh. I do think we should go after him for backup first base. Hopefully not playing full time keeps him healthy**
SOS,
but he has the plate knowledge for it. his OBP has been over 400 with a 4.29 p/pa even when he got injuried this season. I still think if he wasn’t ever traded, he wouldn’t be an injury prone.
Al, I disagree. It’s never too late to work a deal —
But you might have to wait for the approach of the trading deadline to find some comfort! And by then it just might be too late.
Relax a bit, the guys did pretty well without much this year–they play again next year, and the next, and so on. Some of us remember some very lean years for the Yankees–one more without the playoffs won’t hurt too badly, if the general direction is positive.
“Laura – I think you are right. Cashman doesn’t tip his hand. Remember 3 years ago that Bubba Crosby was going to be the starting CF and then the Yanks signed Damon.”
Very true. Hopefully once the dust settles with the pitching situation cash can get a quality bat in here somehow.
Sorry, Swisher actually had 82 walks last year. Still more than anybody on the Yankees however.
Things have only just begun. We just have to wait it out and see what happens and try not to rush to judgment. Though I guess it’s easier said than done.
–Nick Swisher was virtually gotten for nothing. Everybody thinks the Yankees basically stole Swisher from the Sox.
It wasn’t so much that we stole him as it was that the White Sox dumped him. Ozzie wants a younger, faster team and they are supposedly making every one available to be traded, even Jenks.
Just an off-the-cuff thought about something that hit me (figuratively) on the way to work the other day. I noticed
CB talking about how Swisher had an off season and how some others said he supposedly was unhappy in Chicago. Chicago traded for (among others) Wilson Betemit. I think that Ozzie enjoys having an Hispanic team, the way it appears Minaya does. Maybe Swisher felt the vibes there, I don’t know.
Just a thought.
“Laura – I think you are right. Cashman doesn’t tip his hand. Remember 3 years ago that Bubba Crosby was going to be the starting CF and then the Yanks signed Damon.â€
Yep. And I think we’re getting that same story now. It will be interesting to see who is playing CF next season. I do think we should keep Gardner around for late inning steals, etc.
“It wasn’t so much that we stole him as it was that the White Sox dumped him. Ozzie wants a younger, faster team and they are supposedly making every one available to be traded, even Jenks.”
Doesn’t matter what the Sox are doing. He still was acquired for pretty much nothing of value to the Yankees.
Trisha don’t speculate when you don’t know what really went on in the clubhouse.
Trisha,
Ozzie seriously misused him, and thought he was one because of the amount of pitches he takes. Swisher isn’t a leadoff hitter or meant to bat 2nd. He’s more like a bottom of the lineup batter. Ozzie finally realized he wasn’t a leadoff hitter after the first 2 months of the season began, which pretty much mess up his numbers then.
–Doesn’t matter what the Sox are doing. He still was acquired for pretty much nothing of value to the Yankees.
True, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s not exactly the answer to our offense prayers. I’m prepared to give Nick the Swish a chance to impress me by putting up numbers similar to what he had in OAK. However, I’m still underwhelmed by his selection and look forward to seeing what else Cash has in store for the lineup.
As a Hispanic American, I take offense to you saying that my people would not be supportive of a white player based on race alone. We believe in tolerance just as much as everyone else does.
As I said “Billy” it was an off the cuff thought.
And I ended by saying “Maybe Swisher felt the vibes there, *I don’t know.*”
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Hey, don’t why you singled me out on this one of all things, but, okay. I couldn’t disagree that Posada and Jeter are diminishing with each passing year. Heck, aren’t we all???
I don’t think we need to worry about them this year specifically, but it is a concern going forward. It would be foolish to believe otherwise. (I still think I’m 20, but then, I see the roots, you know?)
Doreen, I thought it was something you said in the past! I didn’t know for sure why you were named either.
–As a Hispanic American, I take offense to you saying that my people would not be supportive of a white player based on race alone. We believe in tolerance just as much as everyone else does.
Hey, if you guys can vote for a Black President, you most certainly can support a white baseball player.
I’m siding with RayMagnetic on this one. Look at the Marlins and Nationals deal, the Marlins dealt Olsen and Willingham for nothing. Even for Mike Jacobs to the Royals deal. Both deals were for nothing. When the Marlins were dealing, people were complaining how come Cashman wasn’t involved. Now that Cashman made a deal, this complainers still complaining? wow.
Why did you put my name in quotes? Do you think I am less of a person?
Al,
Nick Johnson is injury prone. Our dh possition is going to be needed to give guys some rest(arod,jete,)or we might end up seeing Posada finish his 2 years there. The less Nick plays the less chance for injury. Again,I want him as a slick fielding first baseman that gets on base. But i wouldnt be thrilled to have 3 first basemans on the 25 man roster.
I agree with Cashman landing us a center fielder. If and when he does then we can use Gardner as a Roberts with the sox type. For late innings base swipes.
raymangnetic. Not used to seeing capital letters on your name. Is that you or a different ray?
Haha very true Laura! =)
Yeah that’s it, I think you’re less of a person because you’re Hispanic. Happy?
Wow, I hope Pete reads that one.
–Now that Cashman made a deal, this complainers still complaining? wow.
And this surprises you? We’re Yankees fans. We’re never happy.
long time. nick in sf still cracks me up, as does trisha, in an entirely different way. i think my favorite post of the day was trisha’s saying she allows people to believe whatever works for them, meanwhile half the thread is littered with trisha’s condescension and refusal to entertain any opinion that does not align directly with hers. irony is awesome.
it’s nov 15, folks. cashman and co will field a competitive team. from there, it’s up to the coaches and players to get the job done. barring injury, tragedy or some other freak occurrence, there’s absolutely no reason to believe the yankees will repeat their third-place performance. if they do, i bet we’ll all survive.
“Now that Cashman made a deal, this complainers still complaining? wow.”
Well, that’s one consistent thing we can count on from the fans, complaining!
“I think that Ozzie enjoys having an Hispanic team”
Hmmm, Maybe we should trade Ramirez for Buerlee.
Laura,
lol no. if you head on to the Yesnetwork boards, there’s his particular guy always complaining on every single one of Cashman’s non-movements.
–it’s nov 15, folks. cashman and co will field a competitive team. from there, it’s up to the coaches and players to get the job done. barring injury, tragedy or some other freak occurrence, there’s absolutely no reason to believe the yankees will repeat their third-place performance. if they do, i bet we’ll all survive.
Yeah, but we’ll be pretty pissed about it.
SING IT OUT KASEY! I’ve so missed your crying songs.
I am pretty sure this is always my screenname. And I made that comparison after seeing my amigo Nick beat you in an argument, watching you fumble for a response.
Doreen
You and I agreed to disagree about Jeter’s value before the season ended. Singling you out was meant playfully, not in any mean-spirited way.
SOS,
I think we could get Johnson cheap. Bowden wants to dump him, since he most likely going with Willingham as his 1B due to his surplus of OFers.
–Laura, lol no. if you head on to the Yesnetwork boards, there’s his particular guy always complaining on every single one of Cashman’s non-movements.
Sounds like a Yankees fan to me.
Laura, then patience isn’t a virtue. lol
Let’s give Cashman a few more weeks! I am sure that the Yankees management wants to make the playoffs as much as we do. They lost a lot of revenue by not making them.
“i think my favorite post of the day was trisha’s saying she allows people to believe whatever works for them, meanwhile half the thread is littered with trisha’s condescension and refusal to entertain any opinion that does not align directly with hers. irony is awesome.”
Ah but not as awesome as your inability to comprehend the written word. Or is it refusal? Tch tch tch! I’ll live well in any event.
song sung blue weeping like a willow!
song sung blue crying on my pillow!
We need some news. Anything! I’ll even welcome Alex and Madonna love news.
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Ah, okay. I didn’t take it as mean spirited; I just didn’t remember our prior “conversation.”
pete –
i didn’t see any mention of it here, but i didn’t look hard. did you catch the springsteen “a night with the jersey devil” thing that went up on his site on halloween? it’s no longer on springsteen.net, but it’s all over youtube. if you haven’t seen it, you should check it out. picks up where his version of “reason to believe” from the solo tours left off.
I agree Fran! It’s still early.
Ed,
Agreed. I would sign him and see if Uncle Larry would be our third base coach again.
SA -
NOOOO! No Madonna and ARod news. Pleeeeeaaaasseee!!!!! Argh!
But I know what you mean!
The Yanks need all three pitchers:
C.C
Burnett
Lowe
*******Pettitte & Mussina are probably leaving.
2009 SP Rotation
1.Sabathia
2.Wang
3.Burnett
4.Lowe
5.Chamberlain
is sj44 gone, by the way? or just on hiatus? what about todd drew? todd, if you’re still reading this blog, drop me a line sometime, i’d be glad to hear from you.
Hey! I think “Billy” is Nick in disguise!!!
Now I get it “Billy”!
“And I made that comparison after seeing my amigo Nick beat you in an argument, watching you fumble for a response.”
I mustn’t have been around for that. I do remember a series of posts where Nick once again felt the need to stick his probiscus into my discussion and Doreen nicely advised him that he was mischaracterizing what I had said (WHAT A SURPRISE! NO NOT NICK!!!)
Perhaps you were thinking of something you read on another forum.
Bye now “Billy”
“We need some news. Anything! I’ll even welcome Alex and Madonna love news.”
Will a new Matsui scetch of his wife work?
SOS,
if you didn’t know it by now, we have a new 3B coach and that’s Rob Thompson.
I think the Yanks need all three pitchers
’09 SP Rotation
1.Sabathia
2.Wang
3.Burnett
4.Lowe
5.Joba
Lol no I am not Nick in disguise. Good try though you’d make about as good a detective as you would a baseball analyst. Unless that analyst was Joe Morgan.
hey i tried to get news for you guys but sadly this is the best i got! lol
http://perezhilton.com/2008-11.....bf#respond
I do wonder if Matsui is working, as I type this, on a new sketch of his wife. Maybe she got a hair cut and he has to get to work…
The prize for long-winded,self-referential posts with facile commentary and too many emoticons goes to…
kasey,
SJ was here yesterday. He usually pops up when there is something new going on with the yankees. Im here mostly on week days and he pops up regularly.
“Billy” uh you uh rock. Or something.
YAWN!
who eddie who?!?!?!
I just love when all of a sudden a crop of “brand new” posters show up at the same time, all with the same type of criticism.
I guess mommy and daddy are out for the night and the babysitter is letting you use her laptop. Have a ball kiddie.
It’s not who you think I meant Billy.
Except for the fact I am old enough to be a grandfather, that is a valid point.
Ed,
Im aware of Thompson being the third base coach. If Bowa wanted to comeback. Id move him in a hearbeat. Thompson would have to be C.C. luggage guy/chef or something.
the 8:03 eddie54 is an impostor…and it is who you think I meant Billy…
This is why we need registration on this site eddie.
Wow. Take a short nap and the blog explodes…and a kasey sighting.
kasey,
Todd Drew and crew have actually gone big time. Their blog’s hooked up with some bigger entity. Folks, help please with the name?
Someone is imitating me. Stop trying to make trouble. I didn’t mean it was her. Ignore the imposter Trisha.
SOS- I NEVER asked for Nick Johnson. Why would I want another injury prone platoon type 1B? This team needs a young athletic player, Kemp, McClouth etc.
Mel -
I think it’s River Avenue Blues?
NO! Bronx Banter, that’s it!!!
I think I will ignore all of you who have nothing better to add here than your displeasure with me. As if it makes any difference in my life.
I’m at least talking baseball. How about showing others here enough respect to do the same. Don’t read my posts if you don’t like them. But your childish attacks serve no purpose other than to interrupt the flow of baseball discussion on the forum.
Doreen,
Do you know who they hooked up with? Anyway, kasey, the news should be on their blog.
Getting Jake Peavy would not offset the loss of Cano…..Cashman must get a # 3 hitter….Texeria added to the Boston lineup would make them a very good team and would be the team to beat in the AL…..It’s early and there will be much movement in the next 4 weeks…..
we will never see Rasner again.. Japan Bound!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3705150
Mel,
Here is the link about Bronx Banter.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....nx-banter/
SNY.TV
Thanks, Billy.
“we will never see Rasner again.. Japan Bound!!”
wow, my night has just gotten better!!! too bad, we couldn’t trade him instead. Yu Darvish would sure look nice in pinstripes.
That’s really nice for Darrell Rasner. i wish him him the best. He may not have had the results that we wanted, but you can’t say he didn’t give his all, including standing and facing the “music” (media) after every start and being accountable good start or bad.
“Cashman must get a # 3 hitter…”
Cashman already has a No. 3 hitter. His name is Alex Rodriquez. Now he just needs to find a No. 4 who can hit under Post Season pressure.
Wow. Good luck Darrell in Japan
meant to put…
after my statment
Meant to write Ed, Al. I would not have Nick platoon. He would strictly be a bench player getting a start or 2 a week. We need slick fielding first basemans. Not experiement with outfielders in that possition. I wouldnt mind a young and athletic first baseman. But im affraid it would cost us alot to get em.
Good night fellas.
I’ve never heard of a ML team selling a player to japan. This is insane. He could have been uselful next year regarding depth in the rotation at AAA or possibly a long man.
Cash did it for Rasner and his family. Stand up guy, that Cashman. I’m glad he came back.
Please say NO to cameron .. another aging, not ever great player that clutters baseball.
and i get a kick out of everybody’s take on swisher … goo player – not great – but good
i’m sick of all the ‘supposedly’ GREAT ballplayers coming over here and being what they really are – very regular – at best!
Johnny Damon, Randy Johnson, Bobby Abreu..etc al…
if everybody here had their way, Paul O’Neil would never have been a Yankee based on his Cincinnati numbers and he was one of the best pickups we’ve had in our lifetime.
Remember Scott ‘Ferocious’ Brosius? … how ’bout Joe Girardi?
These were never amazing numbers guys, but GREAT grinders that came to play everyday and more importantly, WIN… i miss those players on these teams – it’s been the biggest difference.
and as far as the offense goes, the yankees have never been the same type of juggarnaut since we lost knobby…. we have been missing a TRUE lead-off hitter for many seasons.
You HAVE TO let Gardner show us what he’s got… he has the potential to be a MAJOR game-changer for this team and the missing piece.
Absolutely agree about Rasner. I wish him the best. He really did try for us and really wanted to help the team out.
cya raz
SA,
there’s your Yankee news that you were asking for before. lol
““Cashman must get a # 3 hitter…â€
Cashman already has a No. 3 hitter. His name is Alex Rodriquez. Now he just needs to find a No. 4 who can hit under Post Season pressure.”
Theres a free agent named Manny Ramirez, I heard hes pretty good.
Billy you’re being childish. You know she said that thing about you being Hispanic as a joke. She didn’t even know you were Hispanic since you both posted to each other at the same time. You just flame the fire more by doing what you’re doing. If you’re a grandfather act like one and not like an idiot.
LOL Ed. Yes, something! Finally.
The Rasner deal reminds me of the Kyle Kendrick prank from ST.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Al,
you watching the Nets vs Hawks game now? they picked up where they left off last night. a close game.
I liked Rasner. He seemed like a good guy. Good for him and his family and for Cash helping him facilitate it.
Another open 40 man roster spot.
An Igawa joke would be too easy so I won’t even.
“raymangnetic. Not used to seeing capital letters on your name. Is that you or a different ray?”
It’s really me S.o.S. I post on different computers. On this one my name is in caps and I never changed it.
pat – Ha ha ha ha!
Great news on Rasner, that opens up another spot on the 40.
Now that Cashman have an extra million, I’m wondering how would he use it? Add it to CC’s offer or signing a some kind of a bench player?
I know you’re all going to hate me for even saying this, and I know he is a wash every time he comes up, but Igawa did do well in AAA…
Is there REALLY no hope for him?
We sold Rasner to Japan? You can do that?
Pedroia… Ortiz … Tex … Bay … and Youk
o my god
PRAY that don’t happen!!
Trisha,
negative. although i do think, Igawa could do ok in the bullpen. remember Sean Henn, he stinked as a starter but “okay” as a reliever.
The Yankees sold Rasner’s CONTRACT. We don’t sell people (anymore, I hope, thank God).
Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets alone in first!);
I’ve mentioned Manny’s name several times in the past since the Yankee Season ended. He’s abrasive, self centered, non-disciplined off the playing field….and the best clutch hitter in MLB.
If the Yankees can’t improve their Hitting w/ RISP, Manny may be their answer.
About Rasner – I have to say for the sake of science, his pitching really started to go south when Jorge started catching him. Whether it was a coincidence or not, it is fact. I know that pitchers shouldn’t be reliant on just one catcher, but Rasner and Moeller really had a great rhythm going. It happens. We know that a number of pitchers haven’t teamed up well with Jorge. I’m not cracking on him but just mentioning it because it’s true.
I can’t help but wonder how things might have been different if Girardi hadn’t changed that around.
Is all.
i actually think Igawa greatest promise to the Yankee’s is going to be getting a nice chip from a team like the Nationals or some other basement dwelling NL team.
and as sure as the sun setting ..
he’ll do GREAT over there!!
**We sold Rasner to Japan? You can do that?**
Yep. but trading isn’t allowed.
“Al,
you watching the Nets vs Hawks game now? they picked up where they left off last night. a close game.”
They have a home and home? I saw they beat the Hawks I was impressed.
Ed, I fear you’re right.
“i’m sick of all the ‘supposedly’ GREAT ballplayers coming over here and being what they really are – very regular – at best!
Johnny Damon, Randy Johnson, Bobby Abreu..etc al…”
Wait… are you saying that Randy Johnson was a very regular player, at best? He’s one of the greatest left-handed pitchers of all time. Of course I also disagree on your other examples. Maybe I’m misreading your post, however.
Pinstriped, you’re probably right. To make it extremely simple, Igawa doesn’t seem to have the head to pitch under the pressure of the bright spotlights. When the pressure isn’t on him, he seems to do fine.
“Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets alone in first!);
I’ve mentioned Manny’s name several times in the past since the Yankee Season ended. He’s abrasive, self centered, non-disciplined off the playing field….and the best clutch hitter in MLB.
If the Yankees can’t improve their Hitting w/ RISP, Manny may be their answer.”
I dunno if I’m being too optimistic, but a guy from Washington Heights coming home to play for the Yankees. Seems like he would have a good time and perhaps lighten up the clubhouse. Heck if Joe Torre dealt with him I think GI Joe could learn to as well.
Cash must be pretty confident in his quest to acquire pitching this offseason. Rasner must be confident of it too, b/c he apparently asked to be moved to Japan. Most teams wouldn’t trade the guy who made the 3rd most starts of anyone on the team.
So why don’t we sell all of the players we don’t want on the 40 man roster or in the minors to Japan?
if you’re a GREAT player – you’re GREAT in ANY uniform…
Randy Johnson was supposedly GREAT … he came here, and was REGULAR at best.
i don’t want to hear about injuries, because he actually did better with Arizona last year than he did with us at any point in his Yankee career.
..sorry – this is not a great player to me.
Abreu?… so disappointed in him as well.
Good player… but not great.
and Damon?
i like the guy – would probably like to hang out with the guy more so than help pay his salary as a Yankee … but not a great player either.
Al,
tonight they are in Atlanta.
Rasner will be sold back to us next year in the middle of the season when there’s a couple of injuries and we’ve run out of healthy bodies
Rasner to Japan’s NPB?
God Help Him!
I hope he does well but given the status of non-Japanese players in that part of the world, I hope he grows a VERY thick skin.
I liked Rasner; I wished things worked out better for him. Now he’ll have to mouth the platitudes to Japanese racial purity/pomposity, but that’s part of the package. Given the reputation of the NPB among major leaguers, I hope Raz’s connection with the Yankees organization and teammates will give him some support, maybe even some protection (although MLB famously these journeymen loose to the NPB media wolves).
Good Luck to Rasner.
I’ll be looking for him in the box-scores.
Rasner pitched with heart everytime out there and was accountable.
He never made any excuses or said he pitched well like Kennedy. He was a gutsy pitcher.
Best of luck to him, he is an easy guy to root for.
Trisha, sometimes I scare myself when I’m right. lol
Pinstriped -
I don’t think it’s the players’ fault. We throw the word “great” around. There are really very few truly great players. There are a lot of very, very, very good ones, though.
[blockquote]Ramon
November 15th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
So why don’t we sell all of the players we don’t want on the 40 man roster or in the minors to Japan?[/blockquote]
Because Japan’s NPB has a racial quota; no more than 2 players of non-Japanese race can be on the team at any one time.
Why would Rasner ask to go to Japan? He would have caught on in MLB, and could be a servicable 6th starter. I think the Yankees found this deal to empty the 40 man and let it seem like it is what Rasner wanted.
Why did he want to go to Japan?
Even if he was released, he would have latched onto a team pretty quickly. He didn’t do THAT badly here… he could have been a middle guy in an NL rotation. I would think Japan is last resort if there is nobody who wants you at the ML level.
Hows the pay in Japan?
**Because Japan’s NPB has a racial quota; no more than 2 players of non-Japanese race can be on the team at any one time.**
for real? if so, i didn’t know that.
Ed – he he he!
No actually it makes sense. I guess I will always hold on til all hope is gone, and sometimes I need someone to verify that there is really no reason to be hopeful!
LOL
I just think that title is hilarious, “Rasner sold to Japan”.
At first I thought it was an onion article.
PinstripedPlayer – JD has posted a much better OPS+ as a Yankee then Knobby did, and stolen the same amount of bases. If you then consider the problems Knobby had in the field his last 2 years, JD has been a far more productive player… as well as a better lead off hitter.
Ramon
November 15th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
So why don’t we sell all of the players we don’t want on the 40 man roster or in the minors to Japan?
Because Japan’s NPB has a racial quota; no more than 2 players of non-Japanese race can be on the team at any one time.
“Al,
tonight they are in Atlanta.”
Hopefully they edge em out. They just have to D up Joe Johnson and they’ll be fine. My knicks are 6-3 and at home tomorrow still i will take the first 9 games with a grain of salt.
I will always appreciate with Rasner and Ponson did for us last year.
AL,
if the Nets go 2-0 on the Hawks tonight, then the Nets means business with Harris, and Lopez being in the lineup.
all good is good.
We should have set up a blind posting service for Rasner and seen if there is a Japanese version of Cashman who would have overbid for him.
Good for Razzle Dazzle. Not only was he going to get squeezed from above, he would’ve been squeezed from below as well. Lots of arms coming up. He had no shot. I’ve seen a lot of position players go to Japan, but not too many pitchers. It’ll be interesting to follow.
RJ was in his 40s when he was a Yank… you don’t think age had anything to do with his performance (which was actually pretty good in 1 of the years). You also don’t think going to the NL, and recovering from surgery, missing most of ’07 benefitted him this year? Also, first you say Abreu and Damon are regular at best… now you’re saying they’re good players.
Your perspective on this seems pretty warped.
“Hows the pay in Japan?”
Less than MLB but more than AAA.
I’m a Knicks fan, but damn, I’m jealous of the Nets. They are set up VERY well for the future. They are in fine shape even if they don’t get LeBron, they are loaded with young talent. My Knicks on the otherhand, are screwed without LeBron.
Frontier, absolutely. That is why I say I will always root for whatever Yankee team is put on the field, and as long as players are out their trying to give their best and taking accountability when they fall short (as someone pointed out earlier about Rasner) I believe they deserve my loyalty as a fan.
Al, that means that if the FAs you are hoping for end up on the Yankees, they end up being part of my favorite team and I cheer them on madly whether I hoped that they’d be on the team or not. That is what I was agreeing to with Mel earlier.
Is there any cooler name than Luc Mbah a Moute? Has anyone seen his jersey? I want to know what’s written on the back.
Maybe Ras can help Cash out with some scouting while he’s there? He’ll see players first hand and he has the reference to compare them to MLB players.
Al,
Gotta love what we’ve seen from Chandler and Robinson so far.
Zach is thriving in this system as well.
Trisha -
Here’s a hypothetical for you: what if, shudder, the Yankees sign Manny. Will you root for him?
I’ve already gone on record as saying I will hope he succeeds, but i don’t think I could actually root for HIM – distinction without a real difference, though, isn’t it?
“We should have set up a blind posting service for Rasner and seen if there is a Japanese version of Cashman who would have overbid for him.”
Yeah really I mean we paid 26 million to win the rights of Igawa. And I’d much rather have Rasner on my staff than him.
Nets will be a playoff team in the East.
So long as Frank doesn’t toy with the lineup. Keep Lopez in there.
I don’t know if you NYers are noticing, but it appears that the NY teams are all emerging again and this could be a NY year! For a year or two, the boston teams seemed to be on a run. But it is looking like NY could really become the beacon again. I know it’s early, but it sure is looking good.
Now I don’t follow hockey and nobody here reports on it much so I don’t know how NY teams are faring there, or whether it is also too early to make any kind of statement.
“I’m a Knicks fan, but damn, I’m jealous of the Nets. They are set up VERY well for the future. They are in fine shape even if they don’t get LeBron, they are loaded with young talent. My Knicks on the otherhand, are screwed without LeBron.”
Bro you actually watch the Knicks this year? Chris Duhon is a great court manager at point guard, Nate robinson is playing a lot better averaging 3 steals a game, and Wilson Chandler has played very well on both ends. Although you have to look for it the Knicks have a few players who could be the future.
I take it that Japan is embarrassed to take back Igawa?
Wasn’t he LeBron James in Japan (and Dice-K was Michael Jordan)?
bo!!! i hate the yanks i hope the brewers keep em!
trisha- Are you originally from NY?
Doreen -
Truth is that if he became ours, I would embrace him wholeheartedly – unless he acted like a jerk out there and pulled too many Manny being Manny stunts – then I would want him executed! My tolerance level is nonexistent when I think players are hurting the team due to selfishness – not acting like team players, not taking responsibility, things like that. But if they are out there busting their butts and the have the pinstripes on their backs, they own me.
“Al,
Gotta love what we’ve seen from Chandler and Robinson so far.
Zach is thriving in this system as well.”
I do like what I’ve seen man. Pringles has the guys playing hard, they are making mistakes that a young team makes however they stilll have found ways to win. Wil Chandler is a Shawn Marion in the making, Duhon has run the point how a real PG should 9 points/6 Rebounds/8 assists/2 steals, and Nate has loved playing in the run and gun style. Zach despite his lack of athleticism is playing like an all star in the “suns” offense.
vtred,
Marco Belinelli could be traded to the Nets.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Head.....TORY_13914
vtred – no, but my mom was born there and her family brought their love of the Yanks with them when they moved to RI. I got my love of the Yanks from my mom, but it was definitely solidified because my godmother is my mom’s sister, and she and my uncle took me to Yankee games at the Stadium! Of six kids, I am the only Yankee fan. Everyone else roots for the Sux.
Duhon was an excellent pickup. He has no ego and is the perfect guy to facilitate this kind of offense– he knows his role.
I think the team gained respect for D’Antoni after the Marbury thing. The media and fans were killing him for not playing him, yet he stuck to his guns and kept him away. He didn’t even want there to be a chance of him poisoning the team like he does every year. They also are not forcing Curry into the lineup. They gave him the ultimatum that he has to get in shape to play. A real coach is doing wonders for this team.
trisha – nice lol. So what other teams do you root for? I know not the Boston teams lol
Re: Peavy
I typically don’t buy the whole “he doesn’t want to play here” or “he wants to play near his family” thing… but with Peavy I do. I usually see those claims as a negotiating strategy, but I just get the feeling he wouldn’t want to play in NY (he has said as much).
Re: Manny
There’s no way Cash would make a move on him, unless he took a significant discount (which he wouldn’t), and even then I’m not convinced Cash would go for him. As great of a hitter as he is, he’s a butcher in left, selfish, and brings negative attention. He’s the type of guy Steinbrenner, in his prime, may have targeted, but with Cash running things I just don’t see it happening.
truth is that baseball is my biggest passion so I really don’t pay attention to other sports in terms of having any real rooting interest. So what it boils down to is that I find myself rooting for any team challenging a boston team! Ha ha.
Trisha =
Gotta give you credit, girl.
If he did not pull all the MBM stuff, it would be easier to accept him, I suppose. I just hope it doesn’t come up, you know?
BTW, what I object to about Manny is the way he got out of Boston. Very unprofessional, imo.
I liked Rasner but we needed to make room in the minors for Hughes and Kennedy to get some more innings in there, assuming we sign multiple free agent pitchers. Sounds like the plan is to have Coke start in AAA too, so assuming Igawa stays there, we needed to move some guys and free up some starts. If Aceves doesn’t win a spot in the pen, he’ll need starts too and Alan Horne is on his way back from injury.
Marquez and Rasner were getting too old to be good prospects and were being overtaken by guys with better stuff.
Good job by Cashman to turn one into a deal for Swisher and the other into a million bucks. After all, a million here and a million there, and before you know it we’re talking about real money.
“I think the team gained respect for D’Antoni after the Marbury thing. The media and fans were killing him for not playing him, yet he stuck to his guns and kept him away.”
Absolutely… I love the way he handled it to the media. He kept saying things like “Steph’s been great,” “We’re moving in a different direction.” I have to give D’Antoni credit, at first I thought he wasn’t the right guy for the job, but his PR strategy has been perfect, IMO.
There is something special brewing in NY… this winter is going to be electric.
Obviously the Giants won the SB last year and the success has carried over. The Jets are now a legit team and have a star QB, so they have become a very intriguing story. First time in eternity that both NY football teams are good this late into the year at the same time.
The Hot Stove season is obviously always huge in NY but this year it looks like we’re going to be very active and get premier names, so it is very exciting. The Mets should be fairly active too.
The Knicks have been so awful so even a 6-3 start is getting fans excited. NBA is always huge in NY, so any bit of success will be embraced. Nets are looking good too. Rangers are doing well.
Very rare that all the pro teams in the town are good at the same time.
Doreen, presently I cannot stomach Manny. I think he is a jerk, and I think Boris has played him like a fiddle. To me he represents the antithesis of what I would want to see on the Yankees. Every fiber of my being says PLEASE NO MANNY!
That said, if the unthinkable ever happened, the homey in me immediately kicks in…
trisha – Mike Mussina is still in my 2009 starting rotation. CC will opt to be a Yankee.
November 15th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
About Rasner – I have to say for the sake of science, his pitching really started to go south when Jorge started catching him. Whether it was a coincidence or not, it is fact. I know that pitchers shouldn’t be reliant on just one catcher, but Rasner and Moeller really had a great rhythm going. It happens. We know that a number of pitchers haven’t teamed up well with Jorge. I’m not cracking on him but just mentioning it because it’s true.
I can’t help but wonder how things might have been different if Girardi hadn’t changed that around.
Is all.
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Just so you know….Posada caught all of 3 games with Rasner and a BA of .338 against.
Molina caught 5 games and a .352 BA against.
Moeller was the best in 9 games and a .252 BA agaibst.
The fact that, for the most part, Rasner was just bad had nothing to do with who caught him.
Manny or no Manny this team needs another bat.
Trisha,
you from RI? the tinyest state of all.
vtred it is really exciting to see the NY thing taking place! I would have to say that the NY teams would always be my adopted teams of choice because of my love for the Yanks. So I am ecstatic to see this change over – especially because I got so sick of hearing how boston had taken over the country as the reigning sports city. PUKE!
“That said, if the unthinkable ever happened, the homey in me immediately kicks in…”
What do you mean, the “homey” in you, Trisha?
Ed, that would be me, in little Rhody. One of my brothers now lives in Houston and when we are there you can drive at least 45 minutes and still be in Houston. You drive 45 minutes here you’re almost out of the state!
Ed – sign CC immediately
November 15th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Because Japan’s NPB has a racial quota; no more than 2 players of non-Japanese race can be on the team at any one time.
for real? if so, i didn’t know that.
I have friends in the Navy, some of whom know minor leaguers (one’s even a family member). They know about the Japanese.
The reason why you don’t hear about it is because the media and MLB (out of business etiquette, jurisdiction, etc) turn a blind eye to it.
But among the players, Major and Minor leaguers, the realities of Japanese culture and the their baseball leagues are very well known.
On second thought, “well known” is not the right characterization.
I should say: “notorious”, even “reviled”.
BTW. This is the context that the media intentionally left out in regards to stories like Ichiro Suzuki’s problems in the Mariner clubhouse and all the other Japanese related stories. So much of it has to do with the fact that the rest of the players (whether white, black, latino or just plain American) are considered the “gaijin suketto”.
What I mean is that I am definitely a homer when it comes to my love of the Yanks. So the minute someone becomes a Yankee, with me all else if forgotten. I only distance myself from the laundry if someone is a jerk while wearing the laundry!
What if Pavano became a Yankee in 4 years? Would all be forgotten LOL
BREAKING NEWS…………Igawa sold to Siberian Huskies of the International Dateline League………
What did we get back for Igawa? Snow? Another genius move by Cash!!!
Maybe Igawa can sell peanuts at the new Stadium….
Vin:
not exactly warped… they’re good players… and i’ll correct myself and say maybe a touch above regular – but they’re being paid to perform as GREAT players.
You can’t tell me that you wouldn’t take 10 other players over damon and another 10 other players over Abreu.
Just on Age and athleticism alone i’d like to replace them.
This is never more obvious than when we play teams like the Angels and the Rays.
We look crinkity and very stiff ALL THE TIME!!
look…i’m just sayin’ that not every player needs to be a household name to try and go out and get them.
Let them become Yankees on the sly and let us MAKE THEM household names!
I think O’Neill, Girardi and Brosius are the perfect examples of what i mean.
…and OldYanksFan :
i’m not quite looking for so much power from my leadoff guy.
Knobby had a much better On Base Percentage as a Yankee than Damon has and there was a time when Knobby’s defense actually WAS a plus… not counting the ill-fated throwing yips, of course…not to mention, that Knobby played a premium position to Damon.
Before Knobby, we had the Rock – and AFTER Knobby we had Soriano.
Since Knobby, things just haven’t been the same.
I think I referred to Moeller being the best GB so you’re not telling me anything I didn’t know.
The fact of the matter is that Rasner was on a roll at the start of the season when Moeller was catching his games.
And your saying that Rasner was “just bad” actually doesn’t comport with reality. But it does comport with remembering the bottom line and nothing more.
Rasner had an ERA of 2.67 through 6 games, going 3 and 3, but only because the Yankees did not score runs for him in 2 of the losses. In fact this is what was written after his 4th game (and his first loss).
“The Yankees’ win streak ended at five, but Darrell Rasner is not to blame for the loss. The righty tossed six strong innings of one-run ball, but the Bombers could not plate any runs off Orioles starter Garrett Olson in the series opener. ”
In his 3rd loss he gave up 2 ER and lost 2-1! His next games, ER, were 6,2,7,2. Streaky but hardly BAD. And so went the rest of his season.
“What if Pavano became a Yankee in 4 years? Would all be forgotten LOL”
For me it would.
PinstripedPlayer
November 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Just on Age and athleticism alone i’d like to replace them.
***With who, and at what cost in money and players?***
This is never more obvious than when we play teams like the Angels and the Rays.
We look crinkity and very stiff ALL THE TIME!!
***And the Yanks still had a winning record against Tampa…again.***
“Maybe Igawa can sell peanuts at the new Stadium….”
No way, the people that sell peanuts at the Stadium have much better arms than he does. He would miss everyone he threw it to.
Night all and thanks for all the great Yankee chat!
GO YANKEES!!!
Rasner may have had a 2.67 ERA through 6 games, but in the last 14 it was over 8 and you don’t consider that bad?
Wow, it did get a little ugly in here.
Trisha, the back-and-forth shtick is all in good fun, for me at least, but I do not appreciate you accusing me of using a sock-puppet screen name to make comments directed at you or anyone else. It’s absolutely false and it’s a really lame accusation for you to make as it has no basis in fact.
So here’s what I would like you to do: if you are serious in your acususion, write to Pete Abe and tell him what you think I did. And you can reference this post when you do, as I gladly give Pete Abe my blessing to expose me publicly if I’ve posted under any name that does not include “Nick in SF” at its beginning. He can see all the IP addresses and he can settle it very easily. And he can ban my IP too. Whatever.
Once that has happened and Pete confirms to you that I have not done what you accused me of doing — or if you just come to your senses and figure out that your accusation was pure bunk — it would be decent of you to retract what you said. I don’t care if you apologize, though I’ll accept it if you do, but I would appreciate it if you’d admit that what you said wasn’t true.
Thanks!
PinstripedPlayer
November 15th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Please say NO to cameron .. another aging, not ever great player that clutters baseball.
and i get a kick out of everybody’s take on swisher … goo player – not great – but good
i’m sick of all the ‘supposedly’ GREAT ballplayers coming over here and being what they really are – very regular – at best!
Johnny Damon, Randy Johnson, Bobby Abreu..etc al…
if everybody here had their way, Paul O’Neil would never have been a Yankee based on his Cincinnati numbers and he was one of the best pickups we’ve had in our lifetime.
Remember Scott ‘Ferocious’ Brosius? … how ‘bout Joe Girardi?
These were never amazing numbers guys, but GREAT grinders that came to play everyday and more importantly, WIN… i miss those players on these teams – it’s been the biggest difference.
and as far as the offense goes, the yankees have never been the same type of juggarnaut since we lost knobby…. we have been missing a TRUE lead-off hitter for many seasons.
You HAVE TO let Gardner show us what he’s got… he has the potential to be a MAJOR game-changer for this team and the missing piece.
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that was the smartest post i’ve ever seen on this blogg.
it is refreshing to see something true instead of the yankees have to sign manny or tex or abraeu or this and that.or how are we replacing abraeu’s & giambi’s rbi’s?
i liked the swisher trade.he hit 9 less hr’s in almost 100 less at bats than tex.
he is not as good as tex but for one third the money and years i’ll take it.
the yankees have to stop signing long contracts.arod,jeter,posada,giambi.
they should go 4 years max except for the elite players like sabathia.they should trade damon,matsui,nady and change that horrible outfield.
gardner should be given a chance but he should probably prove himself a little more.
how come santanna,sabathia and other great pitchers era doesn’t double or triple when a new catcher catches them?
i think the league adjusted to rasner.