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Today in The Journal News

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Sunday Baseball Notes takes a look at five free agents the Yankees should think twice about. One of them is Andy Pettitte.

Darrell Rasner is on his way to Japan.

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Rich Lederer of The Baseball Analysts has a good breakdown of the Nick Swisher trade.

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  1. crawdaddie November 16th, 2008 at 6:53 am

    I have more faith in giving Pettitte a one year deal than a three year deal to Derek Lowe. Just take a look at Lowe’s numbers before he went over to the NL West.

  2. yanksince57-was this 1959 or is it 1965? November 16th, 2008 at 6:57 am

    mitre signed a minor league deal and should not be on the 40 man, which by my count is thus at 36. subtract albaladejo and britton (spare parts trade throwins), giese and ransom (easily replaced by major league FA desperately needing a job) and duncan (any real value anywhere? :() makes the count 31 with 9 spots available for FA and rule V saves – possibles found among malec/pena and
    claggett/cox/dunn/garcia/horne/sjackson. i suspect we shall see several prospects for prospect deals to reduce the glut there. btw, for a laugh check out the coaches page on the nyy web site LOL!

  3. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 7:40 am

    Albaladejo should be protected, not Chris Britton.

  4. Franken Harpo November 16th, 2008 at 8:00 am

    “btw, for a laugh check out the coaches page on the nyy web site LOL!”
    ———————————————————
    What year was that from? Shows the following:

    Manager & Coaches
    6 Joe Torre Manager
    54 Lee Mazzilli Bench Coach
    52 Tony Pena First Base Coach
    50 Larry Bowa Third Base Coach
    23 Don Mattingly Hitting Coach
    49 Ron Guidry Pitching Coach
    57 Joe Kerrigan Bullpen Coach
    50 Rich Monteleone Special Pitching Instructor
    54 Rob Thomson Special Assignment Instructor

    Somebody asleep at the switch.

  5. bodhisattva November 16th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    I have never gotten the attraction to Britton myself.

  6. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 8:39 am

    bodhisattva
    November 16th, 2008 at 8:29 am
    I have never gotten the attraction to Britton myself.

    ___________________________________________________________
    This is a list of player movements that I think would help clean up the 40 man roster. Of course, it’s not my fault if Casman doesn’t take my advice.

    Britton, Geise, Duncan and Wright will probably be traded or not protected on the 40 man.

    Cabrera, Veres and Ramirez will most likely be traded.

    Mitre doesn’t need to be protected, because he won’t be ready until late in the season.

    Kennedy, Christian, Albaladejo are less likey to be traded, but could be.

  7. JD(Just in: Yanks will make the playoffs,nexy year?) November 16th, 2008 at 8:40 am

    “I have never gotten the attraction to Britton myself.”- He really likes the bus ride from Scranton to the the Bronx!

  8. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 8:40 am

    ***Casman = Cashman***

  9. Drive 4-5 November 16th, 2008 at 8:50 am

    I realize it’s very very early in the proceedings, but if the season were to start today and Nick Swisher is our first baseman, who would be his backup?

    His skill set is similar to Swisher’s,but Mark Kotsay played a surprisingly good first base for Boston last year.

  10. just on old fashion love song November 16th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    At this point Cody Ransom is probably the back up infielder.

  11. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    Miranda/Ransom would back up first base.

  12. Drive 4-5 November 16th, 2008 at 9:11 am

    I’m definitely in the minority here.But if the Yanks are going to give a 6 year contract to a free agent I’d rather it be to Mark Teixeira than CC Sabathia.

    It’s rare when long term contracts to pitchers work out in the best interest of the club. When you look at all the long term deals over the last 10 years,how many worked out? Mike Mussina was probably the best and even he broke down in 2 of the last 3 years of the deal.

    CC is a wonderful pitcher and is only 29. But if history holds true, the Yanks could get less than $25mil in value from him by ages 34 or 35. I hope I’m wrong.

  13. bru November 16th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    i like the swisher trade.

    if he can get his ba up to respectable numbers like 270-280 with decent power numbers for 7 million he would be great.

    we got younger and better defensively wich is a good thing.would i wan’t tex over him? yes but with the way the yankees signed all the crazy contracts like arod,posada and so on it is something they probably had to do.

    i think the yankees should target high obp players like the red sox do and they need to stay away from long term contracts.

    arod’s contract might be different because it might pay for itself from what i understand.

    does anybody think we should try to move nady,damon,matsui packaged with prospects for a cf and if we package nady,kennedy with a few prospects for a cf who plays rf?

  14. BBFan November 16th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    I think Yanks will untlimately have one of Tex and Manny.

    The way the market will shake out, later in the free agency, a Beltran kind of situation will arise and Yanks will jump at the oppotunity at a reasonable offer for either of them. What is reasonable? Manny 3yr/70k or Tex 8yr/144k.

  15. bru November 16th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    the yankees should take full advantage of the tax & revenue breaks they get and frontload sabathia’s contract.

    year 1=30 million
    year 2=30 million
    year 3=30 million
    year 4=30 million
    year 5=15 million
    year 6=15 million for a total of 150 million.something along those lines.

  16. bodhisattva November 16th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    GB7,

    Our OF defense is pitiful whenever Cabrera/Gardner is subtracted from it, so I’m hoping Melky hangs around.

    Christian would be a decent bench guy, but not much more. He’s one of those guys whose outfield speed seems to get him into trouble rather than help him (turned a single into a triple during road game last season) but he makes a good pinch runner.

    As for the guys you mentioned to expose, no great losses there and frees up space for guys like Christian Garcia.

  17. just on old fashion love song November 16th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Its tough to stay away from all long term contracts when those are the demands by the players and there are teams that are willing to give the years.

    CC’s contract, if he signs with NY may be tougher to like in the 5th and 6th year, but the cost may not look as bad then.

  18. Drive 4-5 November 16th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    bru,

    With all the money due Damon and Matsui,it’s hard to get equal value. I’m all for using Nady as a trade chip. To your point,he’s a good player but a low obp guy.

    With the Yanks extracting the 2 highest on base percentages in their lineup (Abreu and Giambi), it’s critical to replace them. That’s one reason I favor giving the long term deal to Tiexiera rather than CC.

    The Yanks need pitching and have single mindedly drafted to address that need. I’m more in favor of offering shorter term contracts for pitchers and get what you can while Hughes,Brackman, Bleich etc develop.

  19. bru November 16th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    BBFan

    do you think an 8 yr contract is a good idea?

    the red sox rarely do this.

    what about a 5 yr/125.would he do it? what do you do with swisher?

    i don’t think cf is a good idea for him.

    do you trade nady,kennedy,prospects for a cf & put swisher in rf,trade damon,matsui.

    i like damon in a contract year.i think we need a good young cf with a decent obp.

  20. bodhisattva November 16th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    JD(Just in: Yanks will make the playoffs,nexy year?)
    November 16th, 2008 at 8:40 am
    “I have never gotten the attraction to Britton myself.”- He really likes the bus ride from Scranton to the the Bronx!”

    There’s this contigent that shows up on boards that loves this guy. It’s puzzling, especially when you consider how deep our BP is throughout the organization. Geez, evangelize for Melancon, for Dunn, for forgotten man JBCOX, but Britton??

    I guess one man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

  21. bodhisattva November 16th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    that’s contingent :)

  22. BBFan November 16th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    Regarding Pettitte, I do not think Yanks are too eager to get him back. I think they are eager to disassociate from any one who has past with drugs.

    They want to start with a clean slate in the new stadium.

    Also, I do not think they were happy with him re-upping last year the day before Mitchell report came out thus kiiling any last chance they were thinking about acquiring Santana. More importantly, they might have concluded that without the drugs, he will not be an effective pitcher.

    They are simply showing respect that they want him and keep fans happy, but he will not get a real chance to come back. I also believe that Mussina is coming back, he would hae annouced retirement by now if not so. If that is the case, it is Mussina who they want. They will give him one year guaranteed and the next two years vesting options based on innnings pitched.

  23. george November 16th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    i’m glad Pete’s not the GM. Too afraid of risk.

  24. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    bodhisattva
    November 16th, 2008 at 9:27 am
    GB7,

    Our OF defense is pitiful whenever Cabrera/Gardner is subtracted from it, so I’m hoping Melky hangs around.

    Christian would be a decent bench guy, but not much more. He’s one of those guys whose outfield speed seems to get him into trouble rather than help him (turned a single into a triple during road game last season) but he makes a good pinch runner.

    As for the guys you mentioned to expose, no great losses there and frees up space for guys like Christian Garcia.

    __________________________________________________________-

    Actually, I prefer Christian over Cabrera. He made a bad play on that ball, but, he can play the three outfields and 2nd base in an emergency. He’s an outstanding base runner, disoite the trip on the steal attempt. He can hit and he does have some line drive power He also walks his share and doesn’t strike out that much. He’s a little older than Cabrera but, he can play well from the bench….he’s not as likely to lose his swing as much as Cabrera. I just feel he’s a better bench player than Cabrera, but, he could also play well for an extended peiod if necessary.

  25. BBFan November 16th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Bru,

    If you are ready to give Tex 5yr/125k, then we are looking at 19k for three more years if you offer 8yr/144k. That is a screaming bargain.

  26. pat November 16th, 2008 at 9:39 am

    “I think Yanks will untlimately have one of Tex and Manny.”

    Michael Silverman from The Boston Herald agrees with you:

    “Other whispers: The Yankees trading for Nick Swisher was a hedge in case they cannot sign Mark Teixeira (another Boras client). If they do not get Teixeira, then Swisher can play first and the Yankees will go after – sit down – Ramirez (another Boras client). The interest in Teixeira has been strong enough that Boras is expected to meet with his client soon to winnow the list. Expect the Red Sox, Yankees and Angels to survive the first cut. . . .”

  27. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Thoughts:

    Sabathia: Yankees will get Sabathia, unless a West coast, preferably NL team, comes in with an offer within 10M of the Yankees offer. Reason-he sets the bar in this starting pitcher rich, free agent market, for the other pitchers and their agents.

    Peavy: Will eventually be traded to the Braves, unless the Braves get two of Dempster, Burnett, and/or Perez, free agent pitchers they’re interested in. Cubs traded away Cede a pitcher Towers wanted and are no longer a match.
    My feeling on Peavy is buyer beware-his mechanics and reliance on slider, and previous injuries don’t bode well for him staying away from the knife and Tommy John surgery.

    Burnett: Toronto will not be able to afford him, signing him would require an extension to Halladay. My hope is that the Yankees sign him as he pitched well against Boston and Tampa Bay, and shut us down, and hopefully is over his injury history-gives you innings and a 98 mph heater-along with Sabathia and Wang and hopefully Joba would not stretch our bullpen.

    Lowe: Boras clients tend to sign later in December, so while Angels are waiting on Teixeira, the Dodgers on Manny, the Red Sox/Dodgers on Lowe, hopefully the Yankees will have resolved their starting pitching needs. My feeling is NO to Lowe, Pettitte at 10-11M one year better option. Of course Mussina at one year, or year with club options, would be great.

    Sheets: Buyer beware ala Peavy.

    IMO, Nationals stole arbitration eligible young lefty Scott Olsen, who would have been a low cost option as a 5th starter, with a .187 BA against lefties and pitched 200 innings. Appears Marlins have sold off three of their arbitration eligible players allready. Are they done?

    San Diego: Fire sale of expensive contracts due to owners costly divorce. Interestingly, looking at Cot’s baseball contracts, Giles at 9M is the highest paid in 2009 with a limited NTC to Baltimore, Boston, Tampa Bay, Detroit,Florida, Brewers, Pirates and Nationals. Peavy is 2nd at 8M, but has a costly extension. Greene at 6.5M, Young at 4.5M with a costly extension and Gonzalez at 3M. The rest of their roster is cheap. Would Towers trade Chris Young? Any Yankee interest?

    Lastly, the more I read and learn about Swisher,the more I like him at 1st,and I’m hoping that we return to the exciting Yankees team of 1996, when comebacks with flair were the Yankee norm!

  28. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    ***dispite the trip on the steal attempt***

  29. Drive 4-5 November 16th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    BBFan,

    I think you may be correct about the Yanks and Andy.

    What if the Yanks used Nady in a deal for either center fielder or #3 starter and signed the enigmatic Milton Bradley? Bradley is an on base machine, can play right field and is only 30 years old.

  30. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    BB Fan 9:33 post

    Totally feel the same way about Pettitte, especially, by taking the 16M, in December, having the Yankees less interested in mortgaging our future for Santana.

    Mussina back on year to year contracts would be great.

    Still hope our two big free agent “pitcher” signings are Sabathia and Burnett.

  31. vin November 16th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Bradley can’t play the field without getting injured. If Cash is to go the headcase/can’t field route, then I’d rather see him go for Manny.

  32. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Bradley has played in less than 80 in the outfield in two years, and besides being only slightly less than a butcher, can’t stay healthy. He can’t keep from getting hurt, even as a DH. 19 games in the outfield in 2008.

  33. BBFan November 16th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    “What if the Yanks used Nady in a deal for either center fielder or #3 starter and signed the enigmatic Milton Bradley? Bradley is an on base machine, can play right field and is only 30 years old.”

    I think yanks will concentrate on good citizens and will not show interest in Milton given his past history.

  34. vin November 16th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Is anyone else getting the feeling that Mussina will return next year? Maybe I’m being overly optimistic, but I think the longer he waits the more likely he’ll be back.

    CC
    Wang
    Burnett
    Mussina
    Pettitte
    Joba

    Would Cash be bold enough to go with a 6 man rotation? Especially considering someone WILL get injured.

  35. Drive 4-5 November 16th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    vin,

    Manny is 37 and would cost approx $15mil/season more and you still wouldnt know if he’d show up for Spring Training.

  36. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Drive 4-5

    I’m not sure Bradley, who used to be a very good rightfielder, is anything more than a DH now. Great bat from both sides, injury prone, “head case”, or just misunderstood? Bargain for the Rangers last year at 5M.
    Can, and do the Yankees, trade Matsui before he shows he’s recovered from knee surgery? Doubt it!

  37. yanksince57-was this 1959 or is it 1965? November 16th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    i think wright, being sinister, will stay on the 40 man. i do wonder what happened to cox, who was passed so easily in the right handed reliever pecking order by robertson and melancon.

  38. vin November 16th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Drive,

    I know… that’s why I wouldn’t go that route. Bradley is a very good player – I saw a lot him in when he was in LA, but he’s going to get a fairly big contract, and I just don’t see Cash going for it. I really get the feeling (hope) that Cash is trying to build a younger / versatile roster while loading up the rotation.

  39. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    If Mussina and Pettitte both return, it wouldn’t hurt for them to get only 25-28 starts each and to have Sabathia and Burnett to skip a couple of starts. That would give Chamberlain the other starts and about 130-140 innings while making a few relief appearances.

  40. bodhisattva November 16th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Actually, I prefer Christian over Cabrera. He made a bad play on that ball, but, he can play the three outfields and 2nd base in an emergency. He’s an outstanding base runner, disoite the trip on the steal attempt. He can hit and he does have some line drive power He also walks his share and doesn’t strike out that much. He’s a little older than Cabrera but, he can play well from the bench….he’s not as likely to lose his swing as much as Cabrera. I just feel he’s a better bench player than Cabrera, but, he could also play well for an extended peiod if necessary.”

    The play in question was an example, aberrational only in that it probably had the worst consequences of a tendency to run around a lot under the ball. He’s certainly serviceable enough, & he could be slotted in for stretches there, but he’s not an everyday option for me in CF, as Cabrera is. I agree that he would make a better bench player than Cabrera, offensively any way. I haven’t given up on Cabrera, however. He is young, and just an excellent centerfielder.

  41. RhapsodyInBlue November 16th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    I think that the points that Pete has made about Pettitte reflects the opinin of the Yankees front office.

    I can see a scenario where Andy might be left out in the cold, especially if Moose returns.

  42. Drive 4-5 November 16th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    BBFan,

    “I think yanks will concentrate on good citizens and will not show interest in Milton given his past history.”

    I’m fine with that logic and hope it applies to Ramirez as well.

  43. vin November 16th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    I love this from Doug Melvin:
    “It sounds like they’re overbidding,” Melvin told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. “If the speculation is true that we’ve offered CC $100 million, why would you offer $140 million? Why wouldn’t you offer $110 million?” – ESPN

    Why is Cash bidding 140? Because he doesn’t want to insult and waste CC’s agent’s time. Pretty simple actually.

  44. Braintrust November 16th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Can we pay the Japanese to take Igawa back?

  45. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Christian is be no stretch a brilliant outfielder, but, he’s more than acceptable in all three spots. His value would be coming off of the bench. He’s never been prone to long slumps and that’s important for a bench player. Cabrera tends to disappear far too often.

  46. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    ***Christian is by no stretch***

  47. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    “If Mussina and Pettitte both return, it wouldn’t hurt for them to get only 25-28 starts each and to have Sabathia and Burnett to skip a couple of starts. That would give Chamberlain the other starts and about 130-140 innings while making a few relief appearances.”

    GB-7-

    Agree with you, however Pettitte and Mussina are usually 6 inning pitchers, relying on 3-4 bullpen arms to hold a lead, while Sabathia and Burnett are now proven 200 inning pitchers.

    With Wang coming back from an injury, if the Yankees can stay within the parameters of their budget having 6 good starters would certainly help. Most pitchers, however, have a routine and prefer only 4 days between starts. Would Andy be in the bullpen to start the season, while Joba gets in his 140 or so starting innings?

  48. Yankee Trader November 16th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    “Why is Cash bidding 140? Because he doesn’t want to insult and waste CC’s agent’s time. Pretty simple actually.”

    Vin-
    The other reason, is if another, preferably for Sabathia, West Coast team comes within 10 million of the Yankees offer, he’d probably take it, knowing that he won’t be hurting the other starting FA pitchers, bargaining power at a lucrative contract. 40 million is too much to leave on the table.

    Sabathia will probably be the 1st FA starter to sign, if the other agents are smart enough to see where the bar will be set.

  49. you gotta have faith (MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) (bring back the real robinson cano!) November 16th, 2008 at 10:23 am

    has anyone gotten a qoute from Swisher yet about being traded to the yanks??

  50. Drive 4-5 November 16th, 2008 at 10:24 am

    Talk about long term contracts..here’s an interesting tidbit from the Boston Globe. Boston owes Manny Ramirez $2mil a year until he’s age 55!

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....08/?page=5

  51. Drive 4-5 November 16th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    you gotta have faith (MOOSE FOR PRESIDENT!) (bring back the real robinson cano!)

    According to the NY Daily News, Swisher is “esctatic”.

  52. bodhisattva November 16th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    GreenBeret7
    November 16th, 2008 at 10:03 am
    “Christian is be no stretch a brilliant outfielder, but, he’s more than acceptable in all three spots. His value would be coming off of the bench. He’s never been prone to long slumps and that’s important for a bench player. Cabrera tends to disappear far too often.”

    The fact is, he SO deteriorated offensively, that he had to be replaced. He went from slap hitting to discovering some power, and lost his original good contact.

    Now comes Phase III – can he accommodate the new power AND be as compact as he was originally?

    Can he do that and get back to .270 and get his OBP to a serviceable place? If he can do that, he’s the CF.

    Christian would be great off the bench. As for MC, he’s a better option for everyday than off the bench, unless we’re looking at him more as a defensive late-innings guy.

    If we had troubled ourselves to maintain real outfielders over the years, we wouldn’t be in this trade-off situation to begin with.

    CF is not a throw-away position, which the Yankees understand, and which is why – other than his tender age – they had Melky on such a long leash. If he’s not dealt, the two-man battle between him and Gardner in ST will be interesting.

    They are the only real candidates in house for the everyday job.

  53. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Yankee Trader
    November 16th, 2008 at 10:07 am
    GB-7-

    Agree with you, however Pettitte and Mussina are usually 6 inning pitchers, relying on 3-4 bullpen arms to hold a lead, while Sabathia and Burnett are now proven 200 inning pitchers.

    With Wang coming back from an injury, if the Yankees can stay within the parameters of their budget having 6 good starters would certainly help. Most pitchers, however, have a routine and prefer only 4 days between starts. Would Andy be in the bullpen to start the season, while Joba gets in his 140 or so starting innings?

    ___________________________________________________________

    Having Pettitte and Mussina making a few less starts will keep them fresher and stonger through the season, and, it also gives Burnett and Sabathia a couple of starts to stay fresh. Pettitte would be gone by 2010 and, if Mussina collapses, NYY will still have 5 strong starters in 2010. By that time, they’ll have a new group of starters to pick and chose from.

    From that point on, it’s a mater of reloading the position players through the farm, FA and trades. Having a load of ready to go starters will make it easier to pick up players of the calibre of Teixiera, Adrian Gonzales and others needed. Pitchers will be the what the baseball economy will run on.

  54. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Pettitte, Mussina and Chamberlain can and have pitched in relief on their throw days, and Pettitte prefers that over jut throwing in the bullpen.

  55. RhapsodyInBlue November 16th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Any Yankee fans who would entertain the thought of Manny in Pinstripes should read this.

    “Red Sox tried to formally suspend Ramirez before trade”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3704917

  56. aron November 16th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3706123

  57. back bench November 16th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    “Manny Ramirez: He is not the villain some in the media have painted him out to be.”

    I’m sure I have the details wrong, but it seems this is a very important piece of the puzzle. As has been stated often here, the RS are the media’s darlings, so their take on a story is bound to get the lead play.

    In his defense (like he needs me to defend him), Manny did make a massive contribution to the recent RS successes. He is certainly getting up in age and looked at how the RS FO treated other players who had ‘made a difference’ and saw them doing nothing about his contract. Whereas the NYY took good care of Mariano and Jorge, the RS seemed content to sit on his option years (albeit at good money) and not discuss his future. He reasonably believed that he would have more left in the tank when those options were up but that the RS would hang him out to dry (Their MO) and his options with other teams would be small.

    Since Boras is his agent, is there a possibility that they decided to force the RS FO’s hand by becoming a severe nuissance? Folks may not like the particulars, but it’s not like the RS were blameless here.

    Manny is one of the very few hitters in the AL that you hold your breath when he comes to bat against Yankee pitching, and that would include CC. Having him in our lineup would have the same impact with Beckett and Dice-K, and he would love to get back at them. He may even trim his hair, who knows.

    If the deal is right, we should get him and consider the source for all of the stories we heard.

  58. Fredo Corleone November 16th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    “Talk about long term contracts..here’s an interesting tidbit from the Boston Globe. Boston owes Manny Ramirez $2mil a year until he’s age 55!”

    Deferred comp isn’t all that unusual. Doesn’t seem like the Yankees do it as much as some other clubs. I believe they are paying Clemens $1M per year thru 2014, but that’s the only case I’m aware of.

  59. RhapsodyInBlue November 16th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    back bench

    Obviously you ignored the article I posted about Manny.

    Everyone here as Yankee fans know full well what Manny provides at the plate, but signing him to a contract is a deal with the devil.

    Looking at Manny on any team in totality, the big picture, is just not worth it. Especially considering how the Yankees are trying to rebuild this club, he doesn’t fit in.

  60. Joe from Long Island November 16th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    If I was Cash, before pursuing Manny I would have a talk with Johnny Damon and hear it directly from somebody who lived in the same clubhouse with Manny. I would then have a talk with Jeter, Posada, Mo, and get their take on it. If Joe Torre can approve a deal with Albert Belle (which, reportedly, Belle pulled out of, thus clearing the way for Bernie to come back years ago, I think the story went), and Sir Sidney become a good teammate, then anything is possible.

  61. Fredo Corleone November 16th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    “In his defense (like he needs me to defend him), Manny did make a massive contribution to the recent RS successes. He is certainly getting up in age and looked at how the RS FO treated other players who had ‘made a difference’ and saw them doing nothing about his contract”

    Nothing about his contract? They honored it, which is more than you can say about Ramirez. The Yankees do not this one dimensional, low character, piece of garbage on their team.

  62. Fredo Corleone November 16th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    *do not NEED

  63. Brian (Red Sox fan) November 16th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Pete and “Back Bench” have both questioned the extent of Manny quitting on the Sox, or even whether he quit at all. Make no mistake about it, Manny (I’m sure at Boras’ urging) was faking injuries and refusing to play in crucial games before the trading deadline. I’m sure Yankee fans remember his disgraceful pinch-hitting appearance against Mariano, where he didn’t even bothet to put on his own batting helmet, then took three straight strikes to end the game.

    But when Manny went to LA, his hammies and knees miraculously rebounded (was it LA, or Lourdes?). I don’t believe that he missed an inning in the last two months.

    The issue wasn’t his productivity when he played …. the issue was his refusal to play ….. for $20 million/yr.

    If the Red Sox are to blame, it’s in enabling Manny throughout his career, and creating the Boras Monster that surfaced in 2008 (rather than the quirky Manny that had been somewhat tolerable beforehand).

    Let the buyer beware.

  64. pat November 16th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    I know I’m in the minority but Manny amuses me. Might be a different story if he played for the Yankees but I think some of you get too caught up in clubhouse stuff. That’s for management and the players to police and not for the fans to worry about.

    I laughed reading some of the comments in the last thread about Swisher. He can be the nicest guy in the world but if he goes 2-32 and makes an error or 2, how many will care if he’s buddying up with Joba and Bruney?

    I’m a firm believer that you teach people how to treat you. If you set the boundaries from the beiginning, there’s no debate in what is and isn’t acceptable. The Red Sox kept moving the line with Manny and then whined about it when he kept crossing it.

  65. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Brian (Red Sox fan)
    November 16th, 2008 at 10:57 am
    Pete and “Back Bench” have both questioned the extent of Manny quitting on the Sox, or even whether he quit at all. Make no mistake about it, Manny (I’m sure at Boras’ urging) was faking injuries and refusing to play in crucial games before the trading deadline. I’m sure Yankee fans remember his disgraceful pinch-hitting appearance against Mariano, where he didn’t even bothet to put on his own batting helmet, then took three straight strikes to end the game.

    But when Manny went to LA, his hammies and knees miraculously rebounded (was it LA, or Lourdes?). I don’t believe that he missed an inning in the last two months.

    The issue wasn’t his productivity when he played …. the issue was his refusal to play ….. for $20 million/yr.

    If the Red Sox are to blame, it’s in enabling Manny throughout his career, and creating the Boras Monster that surfaced in 2008 (rather than the quirky Manny that had been somewhat tolerable beforehand).

    Let the buyer beware.

    __________________________________________________________

    2008 isn’t the only year that Ramirez quit on the Red Sox. He quit in 2005, 2006 and 2007, usually during late season Yankee Series, and Boston continued to make excuses…players, front office, fans and especially the media (local and national). They made jokes about it, but, never criticized his. Rodriguez busts his hump and gets hammered no matter what, by the fans and media (especially the local). I guess there’s a a reason that there’s the saying, “everybody loves a clown”.

  66. Drive 4-5 November 16th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    back bench,

    It wasnt the Boston media to blame when Manny threatened to sit out when upset about a scoring decision during the ’06 Boston Massacre. It wasnt the Boston media to blame that he quit playing for the season shortly after that same series ended.

    It wasnt the Boston media to blame when he said he couldnt report to Spring Training on time in ’07 when it turns out he scheduled himself to be at a car show. It wasnt the Boston media to blame when he stood there with his bat on his shoulder and watched Mo throw 3 pitches by him in ’08. It wasn’t the Boston media that pushed the 64 year old travelling secretary down.

    One could go on ad nauseum about Ramirez. The only thing you can blame some in the media for is their current portrayal as Manny Ramirez being anything but a prima dona with a potential for trouble the minute he feels unhappy.

    No doubt about it. Despite everything the man is one of the greatest right handed hiters of all time. He’s that good. Also no doubt about it, he’s the poster child for the worst in professional athletes.

    Lou Gherig will roll over in his grave the day the Yankees lower themselves to signing Manny Ramirez.

  67. ray (sox fan) November 16th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    It was interesting reading Peter’s article about the different free agents. He noted that Manny communicated that he did not feel comfortable with the expectations in Boston.

    If you guys sign him for at least 3 years at well over 20 million a year are you prepared to have low expectations of him???

  68. RayMagnetic November 16th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    “Nothing about his contract? They honored it, which is more than you can say about Ramirez.”

    How did Manny not honor his contract? For years he wanted to be traded yet still put up monster numbers. Is that not honoring his contract?

    Manny was placed on waivers in 2003 and then put up OPS+ of

    152, 153, 165, 126 and 136 before he was traded. I don’t know how that equates to not honoring his contract.

  69. rconn23 November 16th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Pete’s column is dead on today. Stay away from fraudulent pitchers such as A.J. Burnett and Oliver Perez. Both of them have done nothing except pitch well against the Yankees.

    A better option would be an incentive laden deal for Brad Penny.

  70. ray (sox fan) November 16th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    “How did Manny not honor his contract?”

    In my estimation faking an injury so you won’t play is not honoring a contract. Everyone has heard the story about when he was sent to have an MRI on his knee he couldn’t remember which one was supposed to be injured.

  71. PAT M November 16th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    Brad Penny ???? He pitches great all the way to the All-Star break, and then he’s off to the Nurses office…..

  72. Kill.Schill(ing) November 16th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Manny, “low character”? Say what you want about him but I respectfully disagree.

    Here’s a Manny story for you.

    My ex-girlfriend who doesn’t speak to me anymore– but that’s another story– is a Cuban from West New York with cousins across the River in Wash Heights. (They must be the only Republicans in all of North Manhattan.)

    Well, every Sunday for her entire life Consuelo and her mother drive across the Bridge to eat dinner at 5:00pm.

    A few years ago on a big football Sunday, after enduring much screaming and yelling from Consuelo about how selfish I am, I decided to placate her and with great reluctance, joined her and her mother for dinner at her aunt’s.

    Fortunately, one of her cousins’ boyfriends is a huge football fan, so he and I left the apartment after about an hour and went around the corner to a bar in Washington Heights. The tables were full but for an NFL Sunday it was hardly crowded.

    Mid-way through the Pats-Dolphins game, I glimpse this big guy in dreadlocks walk by. I turn my head and dumbstruck, I realize it’s Manny Ramirez. The guy I’m with tells me he’s close friends with the owner and visits a few times a year.

    Naturally, within minutes, there’s a crowd around him that I want no part of. I’m more interested in beer and football. But when I go to the bar to order and to pay for my next drink, the bartender tells me it’s on Manny.

    Huh, I say.

    The bartender tells me when Manny visits, all drinks are on him. No one is allowed to pay.

    That night he stayed through the 8:00pm game. (Needless to say, I don’t remember much that happened after about 10:00pm, except for my ex-girlfriend’s profanity-laced recrimination.)

    It turns out, I later discovered, that Manny loaned the owner $100,000 to open the place but to this day, refuses to accept a single $ to repay it.

    Hey, if that’s Manny being Manny, then I’m all for it. I wish more people suffered from such “low character”.

  73. RayMagnetic November 16th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    “In my estimation faking an injury so you won’t play is not honoring a contract. Everyone has heard the story about when he was sent to have an MRI on his knee he couldn’t remember which one was supposed to be injured.”

    Can a team that endured Manny being Manny for years really be upset when Manny decides to be Manny?

    Still doesn’t change the fact that when he played he put up very good numbers for the Sox.

  74. ariel November 16th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Out of necessity, the Yankees will sign one of the two Big Bats. Contrary to what has been the prevailing view, they will lean to Manny rather than Tex as the first choice for a number of reasons. First, there will be no bidding war as it is unlikely the Dodgers will go much more than their initial offer; it is highly doubtful that any other team will be seriously involved. The length, obviously, will be considerably less, probably 1/2 at the most, with the annual salary in the same general ballpark. One long-term contract (on top of A-Rod), assuming CC signs, is enough.

    Second, the impact, both on the field and at the box office (including YES and other ancillary revenues, etc) will be more immediate. Long- term, perhaps not, as the steady play of Teix over the years will be rewarding (for the team that signs him).

    As to the “other” considerations, my bet, from what I read and hear, is that the Yankees have bitten that bullet and have passed go.

  75. ray (sox fan) November 16th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    raymagnetic,

    You make some good points about Manny. Certainly the front office of the Sox allowed manny to be manny for a long time and share in the responsibility for how it all ended up.

    Manny will be turning 37 soon. I don’t see him changing at this point. I guess I am just curious as to whether Yankee fans are prepared to accept not only the fabulous hitting but also the “manny being manny”?

  76. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    KS, you and I have differing opinions of character. Signing a contract of your choice and then trying to break it or giving less than full effort because you don’t get your way is hardly a perfect definition of character….more like lack of character. Character isn’t buying the bar around. Admirable of him to make the loan….but, I’m sure his team mates would have preferred that he didn’t screw them over.

  77. ray (sox fan) November 16th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Good morning GB7.

    Should I send you some material on how to join the Manny fan club?

    I’m just making sure you get your daily minimum requirement of harassment today my friend. :) :)

  78. Drive 4-5 November 16th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Kill.Schill(ing)

    I’m sure he’s helped a number of people over the years. His high school isnt one of them. There was an interview last year ( cant rememebr which NY paper it was in) with the coach of his old high school.Want to kbow how much Manny has donated to his Washington Heights school’s baseball team? Not a dime of his money or a minute of his time.

    Manny is not the devil and we all deserve forgiveness. But at age 37 he is too old to sign and has too much baggage to carry.

  79. Back Bench November 16th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    “If I was Cash, before pursuing Manny I would have a talk with Johnny Damon and hear it directly from somebody who lived in the same clubhouse with Manny.

    Thank you, Joe. I agree. And I would add Larry Bowa to that list to get his take on manny in LA. From what I have heard, Bowa is a good judge of character and a no nonsense guy.

    The rivalry with the RS for me is a transcending passion. Some how, hearing about how Manny disrupted the RS seasons doesn’t ring through when I recall what he did to Moose in 2007 and many other NYY pitchers over the years. Whatever stress he created was more than compensated for by the money he made for them with his bat. I don’t think they win the 2004 ALCS, 2004 WS or 2007 WS without him, but that’s just my dumb opinion.

    We’re talking about a possible line up with Manny and Alex (and hopefully a healthy Jorge and serviceable Matsui) operating in tandem with a SP staff of CC, CMW and +++. All the heartburn Manny caused the RS in the past (not denying any of it), but Holy Smokes, Batman, that’s some 2009 to look forward to.

  80. BBB (just say no to Peavy for Cano) November 16th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    The only thinking twice that should go on involving Andy is the Yankees pontificating twice in one day on how badly they want him to return. PAY THE MAN!!!

    also, just read on MLBTR that the Yanks are now full throttle in the Peavy talks with SD. I beg you Cash, dont do it!!! They better only be acting like theyre considering it so as to make themselves appear less desperate for a front line starter when negotiating with CC’s agent. I seriously want no part of Jake “add 1.15 to my ERA for leaving PETCO and another .75 for the switch to the AL East” Peavy. Not to mention how little sense it makes to deal from your weakness (young position players, which we WOULD have to give up at least 1) to add to your strength (young pitchers).

    Also, for all the talk about CC doing poorly in the playoffs, at least he has the excuse that he’d been used excessively/on short rest down the stretch. Peavy has no such excuse and he has never done well in Oct. either. Seems like a bad idea to make your two biggest offseason moves on pitchers who have BOTH struggled in the PS.

    Just CC, please!! Stay away from overrated Peavy, Cash!!

  81. bodhisattva November 16th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    The demonization of Ramirez is comical. Lou Gehrig would roll over in his grave?

    Because they Yankees could sign the greatest righthanded hitter of this era? To play baseball for them? First off, we’re likely not going down that road – it makes no sense as we can’t accommodate a full-time DH (we’re littered with them).

    Granted, Manny would be an exceptional DH – except that he hits the wrong way for the Stadium, ideally. But we wouldn’t be able to endure his fielding in our park – unless they want to “hide” him in RF.

    I just don’t get all the hate: the hypocrisy of the Red Sox is laughable – subtract this guy from your 2004 and 2007 lineups and you win nothing. They were more than willing to label him a lovable eccentric when it served their marketing and baseball goals. Now they badmouth the guy. Guess what Theo, with the genius out of the house, you were out of the running to win back-to-backs.

    I don’t know why there is such unilateral rage at this person – far from being a demon, he’s a flawed human who happens to be death on a baseball with a bat in his hands. If anything, he reminds us how silly Hero Worship really is.

    Manny never claimed to be anything at all – he just loves to hit. He dares to be successful without being a company boy – is that it?

  82. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    November 16th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
    Good morning GB7.

    Should I send you some material on how to join the Manny fan club?

    I’m just making sure you get your daily minimum requirement of harassment today my friend.

    _____________________________________________________

    LMAO. You’re the scourge of all Yankee fans…harrassing us decent folk.

  83. Knudson November 16th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Kill Schill,

    Great post!!! Manny is sounding more like the Babe everyday!! As we all know, Babe, in his last year in Boston refused to play on a number of occasions as he wanted his salary renegotiated…bailed on his teammates some would say….and the Sox, out of disgust, traded him to NY….horrible, low character, I don’t want him on my team…castigated by the press and a goodly portion of the fans.

    But the Babe, as part of his charm and charisma, always helped those who needed it, with or without fanfare. Interesting parallels.

  84. BBB (just say no to Peavy for Cano) November 16th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Hey ray, you were right, your Celtics did take care of the Hawks after all. And now they havent won since. Good job!!! :)

  85. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    correction:***harassing*** too many “R’s” or too many beers.

  86. ray (sox fan) November 16th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Hey BBB,

    I don’t think Cashman will trade for Peavy. San Diego would require a lot from you guys.

    As for the Hawks, they will be a force to be reckoned with this year.

  87. Knudson November 16th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Back Bench,

    I would add both Torre and Mattingly to the mix. (together with Bowa). What Donnie B said about Manny at Torre’s affair was stunning, even to me, an unabashed Manny fan. I would think this has not gone unnoticed by the Yankee brass (as well, of course, as the source of his difficulties)

  88. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Knudson
    November 16th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
    Kill Schill,

    Great post!!! Manny is sounding more like the Babe everyday!! As we all know, Babe, in his last year in Boston refused to play on a number of occasions as he wanted his salary renegotiated…bailed on his teammates some would say….and the Sox, out of disgust, traded him to NY….horrible, low character, I don’t want him on my team…castigated by the press and a goodly portion of the fans.

    But the Babe, as part of his charm and charisma, always helped those who needed it, with or without fanfare. Interesting parallels.

    _________________________________________________________

    The fact that Ruth pitched in 17 games and 15 starts that year and played in the outfield or pinch hit is hardly bailing out. Oh, by the way..Ruth played in 130 games of the 137 that Boston played that year. I guess he bailed on 7 games, huh?

  89. Knudson November 16th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Particularly interesting was Donnie B’s comments about Manny in the outfield. He said that Manny was actually a decent (he may have used a more positive accolade but I choose not to “over-state”)outfielder; he added that the tv clips of “Manny being Manny” in the field have been played over and over and thus contributed to Manny’s rep as a fielder. Check out Donnie’s audio clip.

  90. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Ruth played in 130 games, 111 games in the outfield, 5 at first base and 17 as a pitcher, out of the 138 games.

  91. Knudson November 16th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    GB7,

    Go argue with Wikipedia for a misleading commetary. You might suggest that the last sentence of the penultimate paragraph set forth below be deleted.

    “On December 26, 1919,[22][23] Frazee sold Ruth to the New York Yankees. Popular legend has it that Frazee sold Ruth and several other of his best players to finance a Broadway play, No, No, Nanette (which actually didn’t debut until 1925). The truth is somewhat more nuanced.

    After the 1919 season, Ruth demanded a raise to $20,000 — double his previous salary. However, Frazee refused, and Ruth responded by letting it be known he wouldn’t play until he got his raise. He’d actually jumped the team several times, including the last game of the 1919 season.

    Frazee finally lost patience with Ruth, and decided to trade him”

  92. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Gammons must have written that. It’s more likely that after his starts as a pitcher, he may have had a day off to regain his strength. The reason for the raise was because he won 9 games as a starter and completed 12. oh, yes…he set the then ML record for hitting home runs. Should have been worth a raise.

  93. Jeff NJ November 16th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Peavy is a backup plan in case CC doesn’t sign. No way they get both. The plan is pretty clear, CC, and two of Lowe, Burnett and Pettitte, then Wang and Joba with Hughes next up. Mussina is a wildcard. It’s too bad for Andy really, but he is fairly a bit down the list for them.

  94. Back Bench November 16th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    There is also the possibility that a lot of the vitriol directed at Manny by the RS is part of an active campaign to discredit him to the point that the NYY and LAA do not consider him. I would think the prospect of CC in pinstripes does not give the RS much pause (They hit him reasonably well), but the thought of Manny coming up against Dice -K after he has walked the bases loaded must be a nightmare.

    Personally, that would be gorgeous to watch.

  95. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Frazee financed a lot of plays and he sold at least 7 stars to the Yankees is two years, including Red Ruffing, Herb Pennock, Waite Hoyt (all HOFers), Sam Jones, Carl Mays and Everett Scott, who had the consecutive games played streak before Gehrig. One other bit of information…in order to finance his plays, he also got a $300,000 from the Yankees and the Yankees held the mortgage on Fenway Park for 3 years as collateral.

  96. Bo knows November 16th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Thinking back on the Swisher trade. The Yankees took on the contract and gave up kids. But why would they take a throw in reliever. They have a top bullpen times 3 and zip for position players. You would think that they would try for a high end player no matter how far down the line. Typical dom dumb. Never enough pitching.

  97. Jerry from Queens November 16th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Getting CC is a must to make the Yankees a good team. Getting AJ means getting upside and potential break down.
    Getting Lowe means getting consistency yet a #4 starter in AL.
    Getting Pettite back for 1-year is also getting a back of rotation starter.
    Penny could be an interesting consideration if his arm is structurally sound.
    Same could be said for Sheets if his arm is structually sound.

    Your thoughts and comments.

  98. RhapsodyInBlue November 16th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Manny generosity stories detailing him spending the money he received from a contract he didn’t honor.

    Who cares how Manny spends his money?

    What does it have to do with him not honoring a contract he signed?

    I’ve lots of people who are warm and friendly to others but are worthless on the job.

  99. BBB (just say no to Peavy for Cano) November 16th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    From mlbtr.com:

    Union Pressuring Sabathia?
    By Nat Boyle [November 16 at 11:28am CST]

    Anthony McCarron of the New York Daily News reports that CC Sabathia may be getting pressured by the Players Association to accept the Yankees 6 year, $140MM offer. Sabathia inking this dea would result in lucrative contracts for other free agent starting pitchers. However, McCarron adds,

    “One source familiar with the union’s thinking disagreed, insisting that “players are the ones who make the final decisions where they want to play, for how long and for how much. Free agents have played long enough to earn the right to make the ultimate decision.’ Two player agents contacted Saturday agreed that players have earned the right to have choices once they are free agents. Pressure from the union, they say, usually comes when a young, arbitration-eligible star signs a contract that trades years of free agency for a measure of security.”

    CC has been reported to prefer to stay in Milwaukee, his home state, and the NL.

    …interesting….

  100. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    They traded relief pitchers because NYY would have needed to protect Nunez on the 40 man roster (he would have been picked) and they don’t have to protect Texiera.

  101. BBB (just say no to Peavy for Cano) November 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Jeff NJ: If Andy is a bit down the list, I don’t think he should be. It’s so easy to just bring him back, and theres nowhere else on the FA or trade market we’re going to get a pitcher like him on as short a contract. Andy would give the Yankees such a big advantage over the back part of other teams’ rotations, and adds greatly to the depth of the starting staff, and will eat innings at a far above avg rate. It’s too much of a no brainer for the Yanks not to get it done soon.

    And I want no part of Lowe. He’s just too old. If the Yanks don’t get Burnett and Moose and Andy both dont come back, I’d look at Jon Garland before Lowe.

  102. just on old fashion love song November 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    CC might get a little pressure from the Union, but I bet he gets more either way from his family.

    I got a kick out of the Brewers saying the Yankees should have offered just 10 million more in their initial bid. They sound like they are moaning all the time over there.

  103. bru November 16th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    manny might have dogged it a few times like the at bat with mo but it is hard to dog it permanantly.

    i ged mad at my boss and lay down for a day or two or for hours but a persons true character always comes out 99 percent of the time.

    manny is the most clutch player in the game.no one is even close.he is as relaxed as can be.

    i doubt any of his behavior affected his numbers one single bit.

    i do not condone what he did but we don’t know the whole story.

  104. Broseph (Brightside '09: Giambi won't bat 5th!) November 16th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    First drive touchdown, Jacobs comes up limping. Ugh.

  105. Ariel November 16th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    I suppose the pros and cons (as to Manny in this instance) are what blogs and boards are all about. It provides a forum for anyone to express his views as to what he thinks is best for the team of his choice. So, thank you Peter to making a forum such as this available.

    But be advised that irrespective as to what views are expressed and the extent to which they may preponderate in one direction or another, the Yankees have made their decisions as to the players of their choice and how and when to consummate any transaction.

  106. We need the big guy!! November 16th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    I really hope that CC decides that he wants to be a Yank and takes the offer or something close to it. If he decides to wait to see what the Calif. teams do this can go until Jan. Since those teams are waiting on Bora$ and Tex and Manny most likely won’t sign until late Dec early Jan. I don’t see either of those teams offering him $130m plus anyway.

  107. Temple of Doom November 16th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    If the Yanks sign Manny, I would buy a luxury suite. Take note, front office.

  108. Ariel November 16th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    IMO, if CC turns the pre-emptive bid dowm (50-50 chance) the Yankees will turn to Peavy for Hughes, IPK and some choice farmhands, probably inclusive of Ajax. The Padres have no interest in Cano (fortunately) given his contract. Absent the CC LT contract, Cashman will aggressively pursue Teix. Plan B will then be in place.

  109. Nick in SF November 16th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    “…if the season were to start today and Nick Swisher is our first baseman, who would be his backup?”

    If you listen to Al from Burger King, Swisher is replacing both Giambi and Abreu, so I think that means that he can be his own backup.

  110. Ariel November 16th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    “I’m absolutely positive” that Cashman will read my earlier post and say “my goodness, this poster is right on…why didn’t I think of that!!!….if CC turns us down, let’s do it!!

  111. S.o.S. November 16th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Wouldnt it be better instead of going after Peavy to go after Gonzalez? He would save us from going 8+ years on Tex. Then we can use Nady,Matsui or Damon to land us a formidable center fielder or a young high upside one. If all else fails and we can get Manny for 3 yrs. to be our dh. I would pull the trigger and trade Matsui.

  112. Ariel November 16th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    It’s highly unlikely that the Padres would even consider trading Gonzalez, a local product with a very favorable contract, a fan favorite and the only proven power hitter on the roster, even in Petco.

  113. Ariel November 16th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    I wouldn’t rule out a Matsui for Washburn trade, not necessarily even up.

  114. mel November 16th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Manny dogged it with Mo because he didn’t want to be embarrassed by the master. :P

  115. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets alone in first!) November 16th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    No Jarrod Washburn in the 09 rotation please.

  116. mel November 16th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Agreed, Al, no Washburn. I’d rather have Aceves be an innings eater.

  117. Nick in SF November 16th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    We have no idea how many innings Aceves can actually eat, but he does seem to be the lean and hungry type. So I cuncur if we’re making a theoretical choice between Aceves and getting Washburn. Yay consensus.

  118. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    “Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports on a trade that seems too obvious to actually happen: the Tigers are “contemplating a deal with Boston to send either Nate Robertson or Dontrelle Willis for Julio Lugo, but some money issues must be resolved.”

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....rs/?page=5

    Can we better this say Reegie Corona for D-Train ?

    Way to go whatever your name is !!! 19 – 0 (seems familiar)

  119. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009. Show CC the money and stay away from Peavy! November 16th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    I am not fond of Lawrence Tynes.

  120. S.o.S. November 16th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Didnt D-train get demoted to A ball? Isnt he owed a substantial amount of money? Id take Washburn before i would look at Willis. In reality i wouldnt take none of the two.

  121. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets alone in first!) November 16th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Dontrelle is too much of a risk, he was god awful this year and giving up a decent package for him wouldn’t make sense.

  122. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    “Dontrelle is too much of a risk, he was god awful this year and giving up a decent package for him wouldn’t make sense.”

    He hasn’t been the same since Mike Harkey left, who’s our BP coach ?

  123. jennifer November 16th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Please let it be d-train. I’d be thrilled. :lol:

  124. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    I agree Mike Harkey needs to step up and tell the Yankees mgmt. team that D-Train is his guy he knows him better than anyone let him work w/ him.

  125. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    If I’m Bradshaw I’m getting pissed w/ this PR gig. The Big Daddy is back.

  126. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Nick in SF
    November 16th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    We have no idea how many innings Aceves can actually eat, but he does seem to be the lean and hungry type. So I cuncur if we’re making a theoretical choice between Aceves and getting Washburn. Yay consensus.

    __________________________________________________________
    He wouldn’t be on an innings count and certainly couldn’t be worse than Ponson and Rasner.

  127. bigjf November 16th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    I’m surprised at your feelings on Pettitte, Pete. A one year deal for less money than he made last year? That’s all reward, low risk. Also no pressure of him going elsewhere? Signing him is the easiest decision for Cashman all off-season.

  128. mel November 16th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    I don’t know that anyone can “fix” D-train. His mechanics are a mess and there are no “basics” to go back to. Like a big ball of tangled string. You can probably untangle it, but you’re probably going to give up on the whole thing and get a new ball of string.

  129. Nick in SF November 16th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    GB7: Well, comparing Aceves to Ponson and Rasner is setting the bar lower than comparing him to Washburn (but maybe not much?), but even so, we still don’t know how Aceves would perform as a regular starter over the course of several months. He might turn out to be worse than Rasner and Ponson. Or better. Ian Kennedy’s innings count didn’t really come into play, did it?

    Aceves definitely seems to have the mental makeup. Basically, I love him.

  130. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    The only way NYY should consider taking on Willis’ contract is to take Corona and Damon and they add Granderson.

    I know. I was kidding about getting Granderson, but I can always hope.

  131. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Damn Giants DE must be drunk today

  132. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    ROSS !

  133. mel November 16th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    GB7!

    Did you follow the Beachboys game?

    I fell asleep, tied at 3 in the 5th. As usual good things happen for them when I drop off. Pinch-hit go ahead 2-run shot in the top of the 9th. Papelbon opened with single, single, ground out, IBB, pop-up to 2B, flyout to CF. Must’ve been a great game.

    Sublett had a PH RBI single in the game, too.

    Looks like the title game is at 1:00 HST.

  134. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Nick in SF
    November 16th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
    GB7: Well, comparing Aceves to Ponson and Rasner is setting the bar lower than comparing him to Washburn (but maybe not much?), but even so, we still don’t know how Aceves would perform as a regular starter over the course of several months. He might turn out to be worse than Rasner and Ponson. Or better. Ian Kennedy’s innings count didn’t really come into play, did it?

    Aceves definitely seems to have the mental makeup. Basically, I love him.

    _______________________________________________________

    Other than the crazy deliveries of Orlando Hernandez, Aceves has a lot of Hernandez makeup and composure. He also started, successfully in Mexico for 5 years. He has a decent fastball and about 4 other pitches from all arm angles to be pretty good, even in the AL East.

  135. Joe from Long Island November 16th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Curtis Granderson is a good guy, and a graduate of the U of I at Chicago – my alma mater. I’d love for the Yanks to get him. Can’t see how it’s going to happen, though.

  136. S.o.S. November 16th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    IMO Dontrelle has been one of the most over rated pitchers in the last 8 years. Every year some team was rumored to have interest in trading for him as the answer to their problems. As if he was an Ace. If he would have been in the a.l. east for the last few years. He would have been another Igawa with his lack of control and probably been demoted as well.

  137. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Eli is toying w/ the Ravens right now

  138. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    mel
    November 16th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
    GB7!

    Did you follow the Beachboys game?

    ___________________________________________________________

    Yes I did, Mel…couldn’t get a radio feed, but, had to use Gameday. It was Sublett’s pinch hit single that started the 3 run rally that tied the game. He’s been pretty impressive.

  139. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    I should clarify that. Sublett drove in the first of the 4 run rally.

  140. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    correction…3 run rally

  141. Nick in SF November 16th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    To be clear, it would make me very happy to see Aceves eventually earn and keep a spot in the rotation.

  142. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Horrible throw there Eli…

  143. mel November 16th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    GB7,

    LOL. Makeup your mind. Sounded like someone reached on a wild swinging strike 3 with the homerun after that to go up 5-4.

  144. aron November 16th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....im_wa.html

  145. Nick in SF November 16th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    “Eli is toying w/ the Ravens right now”

    did the mouse just take one away from the cat?

  146. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Joe from Long Island
    November 16th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
    Curtis Granderson is a good guy, and a graduate of the U of I at Chicago – my alma mater. I’d love for the Yanks to get him. Can’t see how it’s going to happen, though.

    ________________________________________________________

    Hank Steinbrenner needs to hire Howard Spira to get some dirt on Mike Illych.

  147. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    mel
    November 16th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
    GB7,

    LOL. Makeup your mind. Sounded like someone reached on a wild swinging strike 3 with the homerun after that to go up 5-4.

    _______________________________________________________

    I got excited. The Lions actually got a firat down.

  148. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets alone in first!) November 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    D-Train was never able to replicate his 05 production. That year any team in the bigs would have wanted him.

  149. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    first down

  150. jennifer November 16th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    I hope the soxs trade for d-train.

  151. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Now the only issue is will the chinese delivery get here before the 2nd half :?

  152. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    With that cross body delivery, Willis has been on borrowed time anyway.

  153. Ed - sign CC immediately November 16th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    “Now the only issue is will the chinese delivery get here before the 2nd half ”

    lol i just had my beef and broc, and it was good. :)

  154. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
    November 16th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
    Now the only issue is will the chinese delivery get here before the 2nd half

    _________________________________________________________

    I was going to make a nasty remark about using an oriental escort service, but decided against it.

  155. mel November 16th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    GB7,

    Lions fan?

    If you are, you will love Ikaika Alama-Francis. His dad was an NFL player, but he was a prep basketball star who played at UH. Somewhere along the line he decided to try football. He bulked up, made the team at UH and was a beast. His speciality was pancake hits, laying out guys flat like…a pancake.

    Great, great kid.

  156. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Goody it’s here

  157. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets alone in first!) November 16th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    My teams off today just enjoying 1st place ;)

  158. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    mel
    November 16th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
    GB7,

    Lions fan?

    If you are, you will love Ikaika Alama-Francis. His dad was an NFL player, but he was a prep basketball star who played at UH. Somewhere along the line he decided to try football. He bulked up, made the team at UH and was a beast. His speciality was pancake hits, laying out guys flat like…a pancake.

    Great, great kid.

    ______________________________________________________

    Not really, Mel. I grew up in Michigan, but, right now, I’m stuck with the Lions/Carolina or Falcons/ Broncos game.

  159. Nick in SF November 16th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Go Panthers!

  160. mel November 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    GB7,

    My choices aren’t much better. CHI/GB or BALT/NY.

    CC needs to hurry up. Free agency won’t begin until he makes a move.

  161. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    IDK but this Ravens D is unlike any I’ve seen.

  162. Nick in SF November 16th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    BALT/NY is a pretty good choice, you get to watch the defending Super Bowl champs and the NFC’s current top team vs. the AFC’s so-called best defense featuring a player who always brings a knife to a knife fight.

    Go Giants!

    GB is a pretty good choice too, you get to watch a great former Cal QB who was stupidly dissed in the draft by the local team, a team that sorely wishes they could have a do-over now.

  163. mel November 16th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Like I said, my choices aren’t much better. :)

    Anyone know if and where Cano and Gardner are playing?

  164. Nick in SF November 16th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    What game would you prefer?

    Pats/Jets as an instant classic?

  165. PAT M November 16th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Looking for an afternoon game to play…..All I have is The Cardinals over Seattle…Morning games are going as expected……Nick in SF, anything good ???

  166. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    mel
    November 16th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
    Like I said, my choices aren’t much better.

    Anyone know if and where Cano and Gardner are playing?

    ___________________________________________________________

    Mel, here’s a list and stats of Yankee players

    http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/org.jsp?id=nyy

  167. mel November 16th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Actually, I am watching the Ravens game. I’m getting my first look at Joe Flacco. Looks pretty good for a rookie. Why don’t the Giants lay him out when he passes the line of scrimmage?

  168. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Bradshaw broke out the pound !!!

  169. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009. Show CC the money and stay away from Peavy! November 16th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Bradshaw!

  170. Nick in SF November 16th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    PAT M, all I have on the afternoon games so far is the Rams +20 in a teaser. But I’m thinking about the Titans -3 — streaks are great until they end, right?

  171. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Ravens D while watching Bradshaw go 76 yds. must have said to thierselves “I thought this fool was in jail ?”

  172. mel November 16th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    GB7,

    Thanks for that. They’ve already taken off Marquez!

    Russo’s having a great winter. I think he had a bases clearing hit yesterday.

  173. PAT M November 16th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Nick in SF….I’ve had a sterling morning with Denver to the G-Men covering….As for Tenn. Titans, I was looking ahead to the Jets invading Nashville next week….You might be on to something there….as the Titans very well may also be looking ahead to the Jets….

  174. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    mel
    November 16th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
    GB7,

    Thanks for that. They’ve already taken off Marquez!

    Russo’s having a great winter. I think he had a bases clearing hit yesterday.

    _______________________________________________________

    Russo has been a pleasant surprise, and he’s played about four positions, too. It’s going to help if he’s needed for a trade, or, if he wants to make the team during the season as a utility player. He’s even hit for some power, as has Christian.

  175. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Bradshaw in 1 Qtr. nearly did what no RB has done to the Ravens D run for 100 yds.

  176. Nick in SF November 16th, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    The Eagles are having a little trouble with the mighty Bengals, huh? Oh how far they’ve fallen.

  177. HughesChamWang ( Obama = biggest fraud) November 16th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Any news on Andrew Brackman?

  178. dave November 16th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    Almost every major free agent has risks this off season but what should the yanks do? Not sign any of them. Sign all of them and see who works out. We need CC and one more starter. And Im surprised Lowe isnt in your article as risky – its one thing if a pitcher is injury prone and its quite another if the pitcher is old and cant pitch effectively in the AL east. I would take the former.

  179. Brian from PA November 16th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    *sigh* did we sign CC yet?

  180. Redding November 16th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Ties are so dumb in the NFL.

    Why not just have a 2 OT?

  181. mel November 16th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Redding,

    That’s right. Why make it sudden death if there’s no death?

  182. Brilliance November 16th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Yankees should trade for Peavy, and sign Sheets and Sabathia
    Projected Rotation: Wang, Joba, Peavy, Sabathia, Sheets

    then Hughes goes into the bullpen as a setup man to work his way into the bigs some more.

    Trade Ian Kennedy and abenjado to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp to play center
    Projected Lineup
    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Matsui DH
    AROD 3b
    Swisher 1b
    Nady RF
    Cano 2b
    Poasda C
    Kemp CF

    a younger, more athletic team, and a dominant set of fireball starters, Sheets on a short term deal.

  183. jason November 16th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Brackman pitched about 35 innings in Hawaii. The season is all but over and he probably won’t pitch again.
    Best news – he got through that healthy.
    He had very nice strikeout numbers and limited hits but was very wild (walks and hit batsmen). These are to be expected coming back from surgery and for someone so tall.
    Jeremy Bleich was arguably one of the top 5 pitchers in that league this year.

  184. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    - Bad News :(

    “Knicks C Jerome James, who has not played this season, missed yesterday’s practice due to personal reasons and will not be at tonight’s game.”

  185. dave November 16th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Brilliance – Who praytell would the yanks trade for peavy – i noticed that cano was still in the lineup and joba was still in the bullpen. Peavy will require major league talent – NOT PROSPECTS.

  186. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets alone in first!) November 16th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Manny would solidify this line-up for a few years A-Rod in his prime and Manny backing him up would put up at least 900 runs.

  187. mel November 16th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    HWB title game:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....n_wocwin_1

    Sublett’s DH’ing.

    It’ll be on the radio. Here’s the webcast link:

    http://www.espn1420am.com/?id=68

  188. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    “Brilliance – Who praytell would the yanks trade for peavy – i noticed that cano was still in the lineup and joba was still in the bullpen. Peavy will require major league talent – NOT PROSPECTS.”

    That is just the yankees website, Peavy would require a bunch of prospects and I doubt Cano is going to get dealt. On top of that Peavy doesn’t want to be here, he’s told his agent heck he’s told Towers and there was a link stating that yesterday.

  189. AlbanyYankee November 16th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    “Trade for Peavy” and then you go on to have Cano, Nady, Joba, Hughes and Kennedy all available AFTER the trade?

  190. Ed - sign CC immediately November 16th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    “Peavy will require major league talent – NOT PROSPECTS.”

    Towers is on a limited payroll. He wants both, which he perfers prospects the most since they don’t require a huge contract. He wanted like 4 top prospects from the Braves.

  191. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009. Show CC the money and stay away from Peavy! November 16th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Let’s not forget this about Peavy:

    “In a conversation with Newsday about Peavy’s willingness to waive his no-trade clause and join the Yankees in a trade, Barry Axelrod invoked the name of Sabathia himself.

    “I saw the Yankees’ supposed offer to Sabathia,” he said. “I don’t think I have to expand on that any more.”

    Yet he did. Added Axelrod: “There’s an obvious difference. Sabathia is a free agent, and Jake would come in a trade and require the Yankees to give up players. On the other hand, Jake and Sabathia won the Cy Young Award. You have to look at that.

    “But if Jake played close to home [in Alabama], we wouldn’t have to ask for as much. It would be different if he had to make significant changes.”

    In other words, as of now, the only way Peavy would approve a trade to the Yankees would be if the Yankees offered such a massive contract extension — putting Peavy on a plane with Sabathia and Johan Santana — that it wouldn’t be worth it for the Yankees to give up both that money and the necessary talent.

    Peavy has four years and $63 million remaining on the contract he signed just last year with the Padres, who are downsizing considerably. The righthander strongly wants to remain in the NL and has authorized Padres general manager Kevin Towers to go fully ahead in trade talks with the Braves, Cubs, Dodgers, Cardinals and Astros.”

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....7138.story

    ——————————————————

    Can I get a hell no Peavy from the congregation?

  192. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 16th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    a double hell no

  193. 86w183 November 16th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    I’ve never thought Peavy was going to happen and based on those comments hell would indeed have to freeze over.

    CC will probably make a decision next week as will Mussina. I would be fine with CC, Wang, Joba, Moose and Andy. Still leave financial and personnel resources to upgrade the every day lineup.

    I love the suggested Albaladejo and Kennedy for Kemp trade, but I doubt Dodgers’ management will ever get THAT drunk.

  194. Al from BK( Fit CC for pinstripes. Jets alone in first!) November 16th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    No Peavy, he doesn’t want to be here and AJ Burnett would be the better fit with his AL East pedigree.

  195. Ed - sign CC immediately November 16th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    a triple hell no!

  196. bodhisattva November 16th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    HELL NO IS RIGHT. I can live without Peavy. Sign Sabathia and Burnett if you must, bring back Pettitte, let Hughes and Aceves buzz around the 5 1/2 to 6 spot and all will be well.

    I’m not trading ANY top prospects for this dude.

  197. Brian from PA November 16th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    Peavy is an awful idea. With all the good or adequate pitchers available on the market, giving up so much for peavy would be idiotic. besides, he’s had all of his success in the extremely pitcher friendly NL West. He’s struggled in big-game situations. BAD IDEA. i can’t stress that enough.

    The Red Sox want to trade lugo for Dontrelle Willis or Nate Robertson? Lol.

  198. EY November 16th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    Jake Peavy: Cost money AND talent?
    Plays in the weakest division. Not a big-game guy. Loves PETCO park. Home-road splits are like two different pitchers.

    HELL NO TO PEAVY. Stay in the NL that you love so much.

    Sabathia and Burnett are enough.

  199. Joe from Long Island November 16th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    The Jets beat the Pats last Thursday night.

    The Giants beat up on the Ravens this afternoon.

    I’ve got the Knicks on while I make dinner, and they’re actually beating Dallas.

    The Cowboys play the ‘Skins later on, an NFC East battle.

    So, when does ST start? How long do I have to wait?

  200. Brian from PA November 16th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    88 days until pitchers and catchers report.

  201. jennifer November 16th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    What is taking so long for CC to decide is 140 million is enough?

  202. jennifer November 16th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    Peavy’s head is getting way too big. His agent is putting him in the same class as Johan and CC. :lol: excuse me while I compose myself. But what drugs is his agent taking.

    I don’t want him on this team, as much as I don’t want Lowe.

  203. vinny-b -Behold the sword of Urlacher- November 16th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    how many days until MLB The Show 09, is released?

    :)

  204. Joe from Long Island November 16th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Thanks, Brian.

    88 days; that’s less than 3 months. Tomorrow it’ll be 87.

    I can make that.

  205. jennifer November 16th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    And the only way he’ll come to an awful place that we call NY is if he gets a 100 million dollar extention? (I am just guessing considering what his agent said.) He can kiss my you know what. Stay in SD and play for a team that stinks. I hope you never win another game.

  206. ugh November 16th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Peavy sounds like a whiny little bizzatch. No thanks, we don’t need a baby like you who’s afraid of the big bad AL.

  207. Doreen November 16th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    I think all Peavy is doing is trying to make it crystal clear that he does not want to play in NY and if the Padres and NY want to go ahead and try to make a deal, it’s going to cost. I certainly hope the Yankees take this for what it is and are not going to try and get a player who obviously does not want to come here.

    Really, since he’s not a free agent, this is all Peavy can do. He’s got the NTC and this is what it is for.

  208. jennifer November 16th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Well that he shouldn’t stomp around and whine that he’ll want a huge extension. All he has to do is say I won’t wave it.

  209. Doreen November 16th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Jennifer -

    I guess the bottom line is, he WILL waive it for the right price. :(

  210. jennifer November 16th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    I hope the Yankees realize he is a headcase and not cut out for the AL let alone NY.

  211. mel November 16th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Doreen,

    Just when I was coming around to the idea of Peavy in NY, this rears its ugly head.

    If I don’t want to pay CC CC type of money, I sure as heck don’t want to pay Peavy CC type of money.

    I think this goes back to getting guys who want to be here. They may not be the best, but they’ll give you your best.

    And yes, that includes CC. Even if he gets paid lots and lots to forget that he really wants to be elsewhere, dominating a lesser species of hitters, and getting to hit on a regular basis (whoohoo!) it’ll always be there, you know?

    Of course there’s a chance that he’ll love it here, being in the spotlight, and the players are great. Just ask Jose Molina what he thought about the Yankees before he got here.

    CC’s an easygoing guy and if anyone could do it, it’s him. He seems to have a lot of friends around MLB.

  212. PEAVY November 16th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    I can just feel the love!!

  213. S.A.-Looking forward to 2009. Show CC the money and stay away from Peavy! November 16th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    No love for you Peavy

  214. Ariel November 16th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Peavy and Axelrod believe they have leverage and have opened negotiations with the Yankees via the media. Cashman will do nothing publicly unless and until CC is finalized one way or the other. If CC accepts the deal, Cashman will/should give a “take it or leave it” proposal if he is still interested. If CC does not follow the money, Cashman may do likewise except give Peavy a little more knowing full well that there may not be another game in town…..bottom line is Peavy/Axelrod believe NYY is a sea of green, ripe for the pickings…..let him walk if the deal can’t happen on the Yankee’s terms.

  215. jennifer November 16th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Peavy there is no love for you here.

  216. LathamJoe November 16th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    If the Yankees sign Sabathia, there is no need for Pettitte. I also have the feeling that Mussina will play at least one more season. He reinvented himself early last season and became a totally different pitcher – and more effective than his last 5 seasons. His first 20 victory season, an outside shot at 15-20 more wins brings him closer to HOF nomination…..It’s too tempting.

    BTW, nobody has mentioned Dan Giese for a potential roster spot in 2009. Keep an eye on him. He’s a late bloomer, can give you solid spot starts as well as good early inning relief. He should not be overlooked.

  217. Doreen November 16th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    mel -

    Same here – I was starting to think, oh, well, if they can work out something reasonable, after all, he DID win a Cy Young, even if it was in the NL West. But he’s not worth this. No how, no way. CC isn’t worth it either, except that the Yankees need is huge.

  218. I got a Ravens Joe Flacco Jersey March 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 am

    I really liked your blog with the Ravens mention! A Super Bowl maybe this year?!?

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