Yanks to play Cubs in exhibition series
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- November
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This release from the Yankees:
YANKEES TO PLAY FIRST-EVER EXHIBITION GAMES AT NEW YANKEE STADIUM ON APRIL 3 AND 4 AGAINST THE CHICAGO CUBS
The New York Yankees announced today they will play the first-ever exhibition games at the new Yankee Stadium against the Chicago Cubs on Friday, April 3 at 7:05 p.m. and Saturday, April 4 at 1:05 p.m.
The Yankees will welcome the Cubs to the Bronx for the first time since playing a three-game Interleague series in 2005. The two teams also met in the 1932 and 1938 World Series, with the Yankees sweeping both Fall Classics. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, it marks the Yankees’ first preseason exhibition game played in the Bronx since a two-game, split-stadium series against the Mets in 1993.
“The Yankees organization is excited and honored to host the Chicago Cubs in two exhibition games to be played at the new Yankee Stadium,†said Yankees co-Chairperson Hal Steinbrenner. “As we welcome our fans into the ballpark for the first time, it is fitting to showcase two of Baseball’s greatest and most historic franchises.â€
“We are thrilled to have such a great organization in the Chicago Cubs agree to play the first-ever exhibition games as we unveil Yankee Stadium,†said Yankees President Randy Levine. “It will be a symbolic event for the fans of two iconic teams while we celebrate the beginning of a new chapter in this proud franchise’s history.â€
This two-game exhibition will also mark the return of 2008 National League Manager-of-the-Year Lou Piniella, who patrolled the outfield of Yankee Stadium for 11 seasons, was a member of two World Series Championship teams (1977, ’78) and served as the Yankees’ manager from 1986-88.
“The Cubs are thrilled to be the Yankees’ first opponent in the new Yankee Stadium and are honored to take part in this historic event,†said Crane Kenney, Chairman of the Cubs. “Lou Piniella and eight of our players had the honor to partake in All-Star Game festivities that helped say farewell to Yankee Stadium last summer, and we look forward to participating in the opening of the Yankees’ new ballpark next spring.â€
The Yankees will play their first regular season home game in the new Yankee Stadium on Thursday, April 16, 2009, vs. the Cleveland Indians.
The newly-constructed Stadium is located on the north side of 161st Street (between River and Jerome Avenues), directly across the street from the current Stadium. With a capacity for 52,325 fans, Yankee Stadium has improved sight lines, wider concourses, significantly improved and varied food options and state-of-the-art audio/visual capabilities. All of the new Stadium’s thoroughly modern amenities exist within the framework of the classic architectural elements of the original Stadium, most notably the instantly recognizable frieze that again circles the grandstand.
Ticket information for the Yankees’ two exhibition games vs. the Chicago Cubs will be released at a later date.
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Sounds awesome! All those current and former Yankees in one place…good times!
Really dumb idea. The first game in the new stadium should be a regular season game that counts. Not this stupid exhibition crap.
Rock ‘em:
It’s actually a very good idea. Teams in all sports and all new stadiums play exhibitions first to make sure the new stadiums are ready. You need an exhibition game or two to work the kinks out. Everybody does this.
Francessa just said the Mets are doing the same thing, the same days and times against the Red Sox.
That should be fun. Plus it gives them a chance to get the kinks out and make sure they are ready for the regular season.
I mean the Stadium and stadium operations!
will season ticket holders get these games?
Good move. Either the Cubs or Dodgers would have been good. An exhibition game lets them go through a dry run and make sure there are no malfunctions. The same day, the Mets open Citifield against the Red Sox.
I hope it doesn’t snow!
When can we expect ticket info?
I disagree. To me it just loses some of its luster to have a game that doesn’t count be the opener. It would be a lot more special if the first ever game in the stadium was against the Red Sox and it was a regular season game. I mean, its technically a spring training game so doesn’t that mean that the stars will only be playing a couple of innings if they even play at all? I really think they can work kinks out through testing and simulations, its not rocket science. It just seems to me that its just an excuse for to get an extra two home games in the revenue column.
Pete,
is the game going to be televised?
What does this have to do with CC or Moose?
It’s a nice idea, but it would have been nicer if it were against the Red Sox or Mets instead.
By having these games it also allows some fans to get to the stadium early without spending big bucks. I don’t doubt these tickets won’t be expensive or hard to come by but they should not be as tough a ticket as any regular season game will be this season.
Personally, I’d rather have Lou and Soriano breaking in the visitors dugout for the first time than Francona and Youkilis, or worse, Carlos Delgado and the guy they fired Willie for.
Nothing would be as exciting as the Dodgers coming in but the Cubs are definitely 2nd best.
i just wish it were against a team with less power so we’d be sure that a Yankee would hit the first HR ever in the new stadium…
Rockem-
Please tell me how you simulate have 50K plus people in one location all at the same time wanting something to eact, something to drink, using the bathroom etc etc.
The game doesnt count so it wont effect any of the traditional firsts for the place ie first homerun, first win etc etc.
It is a smart business move and pretty much every new stadium does it before the officially open.
I would much rather they figure out what they need to do BEFORE i get there rather than figure it out while I am there.
Hah, I hadn’t even thought of that, but I hope the first HR in the Stadium comes off the bat of someone just as unexpected as the last HR in the old one.
Only problem is, the most unexpected source would be either a Molina redux or Gardner, and by the time either one of them gets in the game, you might think a Cub would already have hit one out.
How bout a Jeter grand slam in memory of the Cubs’ last trip to the old Stadium?
Picking up on the last thread:
Not only do I see Moose returning, but I’m 99% sure Pettitte is back next year. I am cautiously optimistic of CC being in pinstripes, and something tells me that Lowe would love to come back to the AL east and stick it to the Sox. So, by my count that’s a (6-man) rotation of:
CC
Wang
Mussina
Pettitte
Lowe
Joba
In a perfect world this 6-man rotation would play out nicely, and everyone will stay fresh. Maybe Pettitte or Mussina will pull a Clemens and start pitching in June. But as we all know someone WILL get injured, and the pitching depth will (once again) determine whether this team sinks or swims.
I don’t understand why the cubs.. a team with a 100 year jinx on them. Good way to bless the New Yankee Stadium. Couldn’t we get St. Louis to come and play or how about the Phillies fresh off a WS champship. I think an even better idea would be the Mets, and then let us play them in Citifield for their exhibition.. keep it in New York. Does anyone agree?
there won’t be a six man rotation.
If Moose wants to return, and CC and another FA pitcher signs, the Yankees will choose either Moose or Pettitte, not both.
They have no desire to formulate a 6 man rotation.
6 man rotation with CC Sabathia? He’s so valuable partially because he can throw so many innings. I’d be happy with:
CC, Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Chamberlain
or
CC, Wang, Burnett/Lowe, Pettitte/Mussina, Chamberlain
I’m thinking that the longer Moose waits to decide the more likely it is that he returns. It’d be nice to have 2 guys on the rotation that are veterans capable of throwing 200 innings and signed to short-term deals.
vin-
Your six guys would add back around $60 million to the Yanks’ payroll, plus the $9 million already spent on Marte and Swisher.
I don’t see that happening.
The return on investment would be poor. You only have 162 starts no matter how manny guys are in your rotation.
There are going to be naysayers no matter what the Yanks do. The Cubs arent swiss cheese. I think it’s great to open the Stadium and work the operational kinks out while playing one of the most important franchises in the game. My only hope is that it doesnt snow.
The Hot Stove seems to have runneth cold.
We started out with seared Foie Gras but currently are left with cold ramen noodles.
Somebody make somebody an offer already!
With so many west coast teams involved we’ll be lucky to have these FA’s signed before Spring.
I agree with Jeterboy…I’m sure the Cubs have a big fanbase in NY (they have one everywhere) but if you want to test the place with a sell-out crowd, you’re guaranteed one with the Mets.
Are there any plans to have stadium tours of the new place for Opening Day?
Mets are playing Boston at the same times as part of their exhibition for Citi Field.
Gayle – I understand what you are saying but first of all I highly doubt there is going to be something majorly wrong with the stadium. 50k people will be able to go and enjoy the state of the art stuff that it will have. And if there is really something majorly wrong, do you really think they can fix it in less than two weeks before the regular season begins anyway? Before they even build these stadiums they have to do a ton of computer simulations ensuring that there will be enough exits, entrances, bathrooms, concessions etc. Minor changes can definitely be made. But I think the type of kinks they would be looking to work out were to make sure things like the scoreboard works, the PA system, all of which can be done with testing and simulations
I’ve worked in a Major League stadium before. I’ve had friends who have worked in security, grounds-crew, in the video department, with the scoreboards, in vending. I’ve heard tons of stories about stuff going wrong all the time, even in stadiums that have been around for years. If someone has trouble getting a hot dog the first time out, its not going to be the end of the world. The staff at the stadium can adapt and will adapt.
And of course its a smart business move, they basically get revenue for two extra games. Putting the World Series on at 8:37pm is also a smart business move but it doesn’t mean people like it.
I am fully aware that none of the “firsts” would be effected. I’m just saying I personally would prefer the official opening of the stadium to be a regular season game. That’s all.
“If Moose wants to return, and CC and another FA pitcher signs, the Yankees will choose either Moose or Pettitte, not both.”
I hope the Yanks decide not to go down that road. The rotation would be CC-Wang-FA Pitcher to be named-Joba-Moose or Andy. That would leave only the Moose/Andy slot open for the next three years, if not longer. Roster flexibility would be non-existent.
If they do that, there’s no room for the minor league pitchers the team is developing, which I was hoping would be the one area where the Yanks could save payroll and have some big upside.
CC is going to give the West Coast teams every opportunity to match our offer or atleast come close enough to where he can consider taking a discount.
I know CC said he wants to get it done quickly, but he knows he has the Yankees in his back pocket so he doesn’t have to rush into a deal with a team that he clearly isin’t thrilled about playing for. We are his last resort. When it becomes clear that he has to come here and the WC teams are not going to give him a huge contract, he will come here.
So it will take some time… the WC teams haven’t even made offers yet. His agent said he is going to shop this offer around for a while. They have tremendous leverage.
Good choice. Lots of things can be simulated, as Rock em points out, but the many new work situations can only be tried out with actual crowds of customers descending on actual employees. A lot of what happens at stadiums involves live human beings, not video and signage, so NYY is prudent to do the usual thing and give the people as well as the equipment a trial run.
And I think that the Cubs are a good choice as well. The Stadium will open with another historic team as the opponent—upstarts can wait their turn—but one that is not a routine opponent.
Traditional, conservative decisions.
Has the Hot Stove season always started off this boring?
Even the papers have had no rumors or anything this morning or over the weekend.
And it’s not like any offers have been made besides ours to any of the free agents. What are people waiting for?
Wave Your Hat, I hear what you’re saying and I partially agree. It’d be nice to fill 2 spots in the rotation with Moose and Pettitte next season. This allows the Yankees to have two guys that will be fairly good over 180-200 innings. They will also be on 1 year deals so it gives Cashman tons of flexibility for future.
However, Lowe/Burnett might be better pitchers than Moose/Pettitte at this point in their careers. Burnett for sure, not too confident in Lowe. Also, the FA pitching class this year is pretty strong; stronger than it will be in the future. It might make sense to lock 2 guys up long term and be set for several years.
For example lets say the rotation this year is Sabathia, Wang, Mussina, Pettitte, Chamberlain. Moose and Pettitte both decide to retire after 2009 and none of the young starters in AAA step up. Then the Yankees are left with two openings in the rotation and nobody to fill it.
Then theres the distinct possibility that Mussina retires and the Yankees are forced to get another FA pitcher like Lowe/Burnett.
Liked the Swisher, buy low, pickup.
Would Aaron Harang, 30 yo 6’7 275 lbs., righty be a buy low nice bookend to Sabathia? Last year worst year of the last four. Another strikeout pitcher.
Thoughts?
is this going to be televised?
Good choice for an opponent.
They won’t fly the Dodgers or Giants out East just for an exhibition, so this is the next best choice.
Yankee Trader- I like Harang however he gives up a ridiculous amount of HR’s. I like the K’s but then again he pitches in the NL. I would give it a shot if he would come cheap but chances are the Reds will ask for Ajax/Phil.
Don’t know how you can say that Burnett is a better pitcher than Mussina after what they both did last year. Burnett might have a better year than him, but I wouldn’t say it’s likely.
BBB
November 17th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Personally, I’d rather have Lou and Soriano breaking in the visitors dugout for the first time than Francona and Youkilis, or worse, Carlos Delgado and….
the guy they fired Willie for.”
yeah, the guy who was better suited to missing the playoffs than Willie was.
Bastards
I’m surprised the Cubs agreed to this.
They have Spring Training in Arizona and they open the season in Houston. Seems like an inconvenience to fly 5 hours to NY and do that much traveling just for an exhibition—- from AZ to NY to Houston in the span of 4 days.
As far as CC is concerned, maybe Hank should start his High Noon act with bogus deadlines and such.
That always seems to work out well.
Sid Ponson here we come !
They didn’t want a west coast team for the exhibition out of respect for CC’s feelings.
Patrick,
You are right as to the downside, but frankly I’m not so sure either Burnett or Lowe would give you more than Moose would next year. Maybe Burnett would, but that’s far from a sure thing.
Burnett and Lowe both carry long term questions. Burnett’s track history is well known, and Lowe isn’t young. But both would want at least three year deals, don’t you think?
In the meantime, there’s Hughes, Brackman, Coke, Aceves, Kennedy and other guys down there that will be pushing for a major league spot. I am not ready to believe that they all will be bad. There’s some real talent there. Plus, surely there will be free agent pitchers of Lowe’s quality in the future.
IMO, I’d gamble on the kids and spend the extra money on offense. But, that doesn’t seem to be the way the Yanks are headed right now.
Its obvious that CC is waiting for a WC teams offer but they are more pre-occupied about signing their big bats(Manny and Tex) then they are about signing the hefty lefty. I think us putting out the offer early lets CC know that we want him a lot more than those WC teams.
“I’d gamble on the kids and spend the extra money on offense. But, that doesn’t seem to be the way the Yanks are headed right now.”
Gamble on the kids hmmm last time I heard that we missed the playoffs.
The interesting part is that most of the other FA signings will be dependent on what happens with CC. The agents for AJ/Lowe/Perez will wisely wait until CC is off the market, then the teams who missed out on him will be desperate for pitching and will probably overpay for one of the 2nd tier guys.
And Teixeria/Manny will also be hot tickets with the teams who miss out on CC and have the money to spend and want a big name… the CC and Tex/Manny markets essentially consist of the same teams (Yankees, Angels, Giants, Dodgers).
Al-
Never fight the last war…
This better be televised…
“This better be televised…”
YES network will be all over this I assure you.
Al, you’re worried the Yanks would miss the 2009 playoffs because a rotation of CC, Wang, Mussina, Pettitte, and Joba would be too much of a gamble on the kids?
“IMO, I’d gamble on the kids and spend the extra money on offense. But, that doesn’t seem to be the way the Yanks are headed right now.”
You make good points but theres no assurance that Moose will return. Also, you guys are forgetting how terrible he was in 2007. If we get 2008 Mussina then its very likely he will be as good as or better than both Lowe and Burnett.
Its all about how how much risk the Yankees are willing to take. If they go with both Moose and Pettitte then they are basically depending on Hughes for 2010. Personally I think thats an okay risk to take because I believe Hughes will be a great player but will the Yankees take that risk? Especially after they got burned so badly in 2008? I’m not too sure.
If the Yankees go with Sabathia, Wang, Burnett/Lowe, Pettitte, Chamberlain that actually does leave some room for youngsters coming up. Pettitte is gone after this year and Hughes can step in. Then after 2010 Wang could be a free agent and Brackman can step in. Obviously this is the most optimistic situation possible but as you can see there is room for the young guys.
The safe move is to sign Sabathia and one of Lowe/Burnett. That pretty much guarantees 3-4 spots in the rotation for 3+ years.
Is the safe move the best move? I don’t know.
Gammons said CC was in Houston over the weekend at a football game with Dunn and Hudson.
Newsday said that CC was at a friend’s wedding in the Bay Area over the weekend
Heyman said today that CC was in Las Vegas at a charity poker tour over the weekend
So where was he?
I think CC will lead the way in the hot stove season. Once he gets decided, as he is the “big” prize, in more ways than one, it will give other teams the push to get moving. I am sure that other teams have talked to CC’s agent, but out doing the Yankees offer is probably not happening, at least not yet.
I wonder if CC is being wined and dined tonight by the Yankee welcoming committee.
“Al, you’re worried the Yanks would miss the 2009 playoffs because a rotation of CC, Wang, Mussina, Pettitte, and Joba would be too much of a gamble on the kids?”
No not at all. However bringing back Moose and Andy would be more of the same. This team needs 2 FA pitchers especially given the fact that we are not going after any bats it seems.
“We are thrilled…”
“The Cubs are thrilled…”
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Bringing back Moose and Andy would be more of the same from two spots in the rotation only. CC is not more of a same. A full season, hopefully, of Wang is not more of the same we got in 2008. Ditto for Joba.
And Moose and Pettitte became the defacto 1 and 2 in the rotation this season. They would be the 3 and 4 with CC and Wang as the 1 and 2. So even bringing back Moose and Andy isn’t more of the same from Moose and Andy.
As for the bats, it’s still only November 17, right?
I’ve got two words for CC.
KORONET PIZZA !!
If that doesn’t put us on good terms with him, nothing will.
http://jschumacher.typepad.com/joe/images/koronet_02.jpg
C.C VS ZAMBRANO ?
LOL at ‘the hefty lefty’. Classic.
I agree that Moose and Pettitte each moved back 2 spots in the rotation makes them highly valuable and certainly way more so than this year. And I also think Cash will still add at least 1 bat. Being able to sign Moose and Pettitte to short term deals to fortify the back of your rotation only helps his quest to do so as that’s less resources on pitching which could then go to adding the needed bat.
“I agree that Moose and Pettitte each moved back 2 spots in the rotation makes them highly valuable ”
and way above the normal performance of the average AL pitcher occupying those same rotation spots, I might add.
I wanted to respond to this earlier, but, alas, work interevened…
Although I’d like to see them give it a shot, I have to agree with everyone, and say they won’t consider a 6-man rotation… but it would be interesting (and bold) if Cash said “hey, best case scenario, Girardi has to find starts for 6 quality guys”... “worst case scenario, we have an extra arm of pitching inventory.”
I wonder what will have to happen for a team to consider the 6-man rotation… what’s so magical about going with 5 guys? Cy Young, and players from his era, were in a 4-man rotation. Somewhere along the lines another starter was added… I suppose it had to do with the number of quality starters infiltrating the game. Just throwing it out there on a “cold-stove” news day.
“No not at all. However bringing back Moose and Andy would be more of the same. This team needs 2 FA pitchers especially given the fact that we are not going after any bats it seems.”
You kind of sound like Obama’s stump speech. They aren’t replacing the Bush administration, they are trying to win a World Series. Mussina wasn’t the problem last year and Pettitte had a great first half and probably would have had a good 2nd half if he wasn’t hurt. They aren’t the pitchers that the Yankees need to replace. CC, Wang, and Joba taking the 50 or so starts given to Rasner, Ponson, Hughes, Giese, and Kenedy is what will make the difference in the rotation.
I think the Cubbies are a good choice for the opening exhibition game. It’s a team we don’t often get to see or play, and theres’ the Lou Piniella connection. All good. And you have to work out the kinks with the crowd. It would be foolish to open the stadium on the first day of the regular season and find out that, oh, I don’t know, the turnstiles don’t work or whatever. You want the people who show up for the official opening day to have as few problems as possible.
Regarding Mike Mussina – if he decides to come back – while it’s an “if you’re in for one, you’re in for 3” thing, I don’t think he will get, nor will the Yankees offer, a 3-year contract. I believe it should be year-to-year with options. I believe if Moose has a 2009 season that is closer to 2007 than 2008 that he will call it a day after 2009. But I think the Yankees will be very generous if he decides to come back, both in money and in terms of contract specifics. He’s been one of the very few successful FA pitcher signings ever.
I still think he’s going to retire, though.
Do you think we’ll know about CC before Sunday??????????? I’m “leavin’ on a jet plane,” and I don’t know if I’ll be bringing my laptop yet, and I want to know!!!!!!
(Signed, a spoiled Yankee fan!)
I think the Cubs need a new name, by the way. It’s too diminutive. A “cub” is a baby bear. They’ll never win anything if they remain the “baby bears.”
What about the “Wrigley Grizzlies”?
Okay people heres a question:
When will CC sign and with whom?
My answer: This upcoming weekend with the Yanks.
Chicago Bartmen? I guess it’s probably too soon for that.
This weekend with the SF Giants or the LA Dodgers.
Hey, did everyone hear about Mark Cuban? I didn’t see any references here all day. He is being charged by the SEC with insider trading.
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Yanks on Friday
Yanks on Thurs – in time for Hot Stove report on YES
I’d accept those kinks in order to make my opening day tickets mean something….....
this blog’s slow-down must be coinciding with dinner time on the east coast.
Lots and lots of things going on.
1. Moose is to close to call. He’s said he wants to retire, but that was a long, long time ago. Painting the Black was written at a low point in Moose’s career, so I can’t take much from that (especially since I haven’t read it!). I would think that he would’ve at least tested the waters with the Yankees if he was serious about coming back. But Moose seems like the type of person to just say, “Hey, I’m back!”. 300 wins is very alluring. I think he comes back on a year-to-year basis with a 3 year committment in the back of his mind.
2. If you land CC, AJ Burnett is absolutely worth the risk. If we don’t land CC, AJ Burnett is an absolute must.
3. I think having an exhibition is a good idea. There’s something cool about hitting the first “unofficial homerun” like Jorge did in SF.
4. Do we cheer for the Sox to spoil the Mets’ opener? Nah, Go Mets!
December 3rd with the LA Angels for 6/$137 (takes a discount go to there). Moreno will get fed up with Boras and move onto CC and get a deal done quickly.
I love how billionaires would risk everything to save $750,000. If he had $1 billion, and he tried to protect $750K… that’s like a person making $50k trying to save $37.50. Doesn’t make sense to me.
Pete Newell R.I.P
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CC will sign with the Yankees around December 10th after he begs the West Coast teams to match our offer and they refuse, so he reluctantly comes here for 6/$150
cc will sign with the san francisco giants after thanksgiving
their front office continue their lunacy of huge contracts to pitchers even after zito.
“December 3rd with the LA Angels for 6/$137 (takes a discount go to there). Moreno will get fed up with Boras and move onto CC and get a deal done quickly.”
I doubt it Boras no longer has any teams to play the Angels off of. The Yanks are out and the Sux have tepid interest at best I think Tex is more of a need for the Angels than a number 1 starter they already have Lackey and a very solid rotation. The Dodgers are a possibility however Manny was huge for them in the second half this year and had that whole team fired up.
I predict Milwaukee goes to 6 years- $120 milliom and he goes there because the WC teams do not bid on him and he does not want to come here so he goes to MIL.
Pete Newell R.I.P.
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does any one now when CC will meet with the brewers i think it was supposed to be somtime this week maybe hell make his decision a couple days after
I love how we have to twist CC’s arm to come here for more than $140M.
1. Who the hell else is going to pay him that much?
2. Bullpen?
3. Mariano?
4. New Stadium (I hear it’s really nice)
5. Yogi?
6. Ownership willing to spend (and spend) to field a competitive?
7. Where’s the center of the Universe?
The Giants will sign him unfortunately, because they are not a smart organization. They will get brainwashed by the fans and talk radio goons who try and convince them that CC can sell tickets and be the ‘face of the franchise’ after Bonds.
Giants sign him for Santana money in the middle of December.
Who is really in the running for CC?
Yanks – have to be the #1 choice b/c of their need for a stud
Angels – there’s no way they let Teix get away
Dodgers – they’d be foolish to spend so much on pitching when every single year they need offense
Giants – keep dreaming, Olney
BoSox – complete wildcard… they have Beckett for pretty cheap until 2010 (team option), after that they can let him go and have CC, Lester, and Dicey-K… pretty formidable
Who am I missing?
“I predict Milwaukee goes to 6 years- $120 milliom and he goes there because the WC teams do not bid on him and he does not want to come here so he goes to MIL.”
Doug Melvin will have to rob a bank first. In his world, he thinks the Yanks should’ve played Price is Right rules and offered 5 years $100,000,001.
vin –
Milwaukee.
mel,
It’s actually becoming pathetic how we have to beg and plead to get a guy to come to the Yankees. Our standards are becoming so low, the rest of the league is probably laughing at us.
The guy clearly doesn’t want to be here. If he does, its because the WC teams showed no interest and he was forced here.
cc will go to the angels
moreno has always shown himself to make off-the-wall moves like that.
people keep trying to tell themselves that he wants teixeria and isin’t interested in CC—where is the proof? every LA area paper says moreno is very intrigued by both.
“I love how we have to twist CC’s arm to come here for more than $140M.
1. Who the hell else is going to pay him that much?
2. Bullpen?
3. Mariano?
4. New Stadium (I hear it’s really nice)
5. Yogi?
6. Ownership willing to spend (and spend) to field a competitive?
7. Where’s the center of the Universe?”
Thats one thing I hate about CC we all want him here and he would be the guy in our rotation, yet it appears he will sign elsewhere for way less money after we showed the biggest effort to get him. If the Giants come along and give him 6 years 120 and he goes to a team with no offense we are better off w/out him.
Mr. Burns,
I don’t know if you’re pulling my leg or not.
But if you’re not kidding, welcome to the island.
Population: 2
Although I’m not so sure he doesn’t want to be here. But if the $140M isn’t enough or if he’s seriously looking at other teams who offer less, then yes, it’s sad indeed. It would just be Power and Pinstripes.
Miranda had 2 HR and knocked in 5 of the teams 6 runs. Problem is that we gave up 13. Humberto with 2 innings of 1-hit ball. Nice.
The Giants will sign CC to be the face of the franchise?
Don’t tell that to Tim Lincecum.
Milwaukee? I just can’t see them doling out that kind of cash and still being competitive down the line – look at ARod in Texas. I think it becomes an issue, both with the fan base and in the clubhouse when one guy is making that much money, and everyone else isn’t. He’ll become the scapegoat when they don’t make the playoffs (again, see ARod).
Like it or not, it takes a certain type of situation for a guy to make that much. If I move to the middle of nowhere Kansas and my employer gives me twice as much as anyone else in the office, there’s going to be a problem. If you want to make a lot and suceed, you need to be around other guys who are making a lot.
The West Coast teams all want CC and have the advantage because he wants to go there and go badly.
We give him the highest contract ever for a pitcher and he just brushes it off. He is going to wait until the LA teams hand in their final offer. CC probably instructed his agents to work tirelessly trying to hammer out a deal with one of the WC teams and convince them to sign him.
Really, all the Cali teams need to do is put in a competitive bid and he will go there. They don’t even need to match us. The Yankees know this too, as evident by their strategy to blow away the field. They know if its even remotely close, he will go West. It has to be a no brainer for him to consider us, Cashman knows this.
mel, some of your reasons are only valid to Yankee fans. But you already know that.
“The Giants will sign CC to be the face of the franchise?
Don’t tell that to Tim Lincecum.”
Good point… a guy they’re going to have pay a lot of money to, sooner rather than later.
AP, can you cite your source on CC brushing off the Yanks’ offer?
It was made on Friday, the first day of the free agent signing period. Today is Monday.
No mel,
I’m serious haha
It is pathetic the levels we are stooping to in order to try and ‘convince’ this guy to join the greatest franchise in sports. He doesn’t even want to come here—people are fooling themselves if they think otherwise.
Times like these make me really upset about the Santana deal
The LoHud Facebook group is taking off, I kinda liked in just this one place.
Also, how do we really know CC doesn’t want to pitch in NY? We’ve extrapolated that because we’ve heard that he prefers to be on the west coast. Well, a wise man once said, “you hear what they want you to hear.”
Buddy, I found out the name of the place in El Cerrito:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/yusan-sushi-el-cerrito#hrid:nor5qIktb9gIcTViCsR78g/query:yusan
But my friend hasn’t been there in a while and she said it might be under new management. So…. who knows.
IMO, this is worse than Clemens or Johnson.
Atleast those guys genuinely wanted to join the Yankees. Randy was miserable when he was here, but he wanted to come here and wanted to win. Clemens was a mercenary of the highest order but he too liked being a Yankee and wanted to be on the big stage and win. He wanted his money but he liked it here and wanted to be here.
CC wants no part of NY.
Nick,
As a ballplayer, you don’t have to grow up a Yankee fan, to appreciate that it’s a great organization, steeped in history and tradition. Especially if they’re showing you “lots of love”.
If the Giants sign CC, it’ll be a repeat of the Barry Bonds years. Except the fans will only get excited on the days that CC & Seabiscuit pitch. They won’t have funds to field a competitive team.
If it’s not the Yankees, who do you guys see swooping in?
Angels or Dodgers? With edge to the Dodgers?
The funniest part is everyone is slamming Peavy and trying to dissuade others from wanting to trade for him while citing that he doesn’t want to be here and doesn’t like NY as the reason…. when its the EXACT same situation with CC. He doesn’t want to be here either.
Aside from the fact that one is a FA and the other is a trade, how are the situations different? Neither wants to be here, yet Peavy gets crucified for it and Sabathia has people falling at his feet.
The Giants have not shown themselves to be a particularly smart or fiscally responsible organization. Thats why it would not shock me to see them sign CC.
—The funniest part is everyone is slamming Peavy and trying to dissuade others from wanting to trade for him while citing that he doesn’t want to be here and doesn’t like NY as the reason…. when its the EXACT same situation with CC. He doesn’t want to be here either.
Really? Please direct me to the newspaper article or website where CC said that he didn’t want to be a Yankee. We can easily find proof that Peavy wants no part of us. CC has never said “I don’t want to pitch in NY or back in the AL”.
At least this guy still loves us!
http://tinyurl.com/68366e
I love how everyone thinks CC hates New York even tho they have no evidence to prove it, CC never said he hated New York, CC Never said he want to stay on the west coast tho thats probly his first choice, Untill he comes out HIMSELF and says idt we should say he hate new york or the east caost
-The West Coast teams all want CC and have the advantage because he wants to go there and go badly.
I love how so many people on this board are speaking for CC, a guy they don’t know, have never spoken to and don’t know anyone who knows him. CC will make his feelings known when he responds to our offer. Until then, people should stop speaking for him.
mel, please, if CC is determined to play on the west coast, is he really going to be swayed by the the prospect of pitching in the new stadium or seeing Yogi every once in a while?
No.
Those are nice little things, but they won’t be important factor$ in hi$ deciSion. Ditto ‘center of the universe’. Some of the others—bullpen, orgainzation dedicated to winning, overall tradition and class—yes.
If we cant sign CC I seriously recommend a fire sale. This team wins 85 games tops next year without an ace.
I think CC might have said, “I like New York. I like lots of cities.”
Or was that LeBron?
Of course we don’t know what the truth is. We’re not hearing it from friends and family, we’re hearing it from Olney/Gammons/Heyman/Rosenthal so take it with a grain of salt.
But the Yankees must’ve heard something real because they made a huge pre-emptive strike.
We’ll see. Soon, hopefully. This is like waiting for Geraldo to open the vault. Will it be empty?
Why are people shocked that CC has not accepted our offer yet? Free agency is 3 days old!!!
He is going to give the Cali teams all the time they need in order to bid for him. He isin’t signing with us quickly. This thing is going to be long, tedious, and stressful and drag out a while.
He will sign with us if and when his agent determines that the West Coast teams are not going to approximate our offer and then he has no choice but to bite his tongue and come here and hope for the best. The off-season is still young… it will be a long time until that moment comes where he is slapped in the face with reality. However, they reality could also be him being adamant about staying West and taking a below market deal. Either way, we are far off from any decision being made.
Nick-
Thanks! It turns out the Sushi chefs opened their own place, not far from Yusan, it’s called Taki & received great reviews.
You should check it out with your friend.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/taki-sushi-el-cerrito#hrid:r_XyrtSyUDWOaHoVwsaWdA/query:taki
Nick,
Did you think my list was serious? Golly, gee!
“Lots of love” is Cash’s codeword for a huge offer. Not a big hug and a handshake from Lawrence.
Laura,
You have to be completely naive if you don’t think CC wants to go to the West Coast.
When does one ever come out and say they dislike or like a certain place when they are a FA? You have to read between the lines. So saying “Show me a quote” is a waste of time.
Teams that win 85 games have firesales?
It is pretty obvious that CC would prefer to go West. The question is how much money is he going to leave on the table to do so?
-Hey, did everyone hear about Mark Cuban? I didn’t see any references here all day. He is being charged by the SEC with insider trading.
I guess he won’t be buying the sCrUBS.
-You have to be completely naive if you don’t think CC wants to go to the West Coast.
There’s a difference between thinking that CC would prefer to pitch on the West Coast and saying that he wants to go there “badly”. We don’t know what is more important to CC. It may be the West Coast. It may be the money. Only time will tell.
Not even the shady NY media has picked up any information about CC for 3 days. Not a good sign that even Joel Sherman and George King have stopped writing redundant rumors.
As bad as I do want CC to be a Yankee, that is the one thing that does honestly dissuade me a bit. That we would have to convince him to come here. I want the Yankees to sign the players who want to be Yankees. You get more out of guys like that with the game or the season on the line.
That said, we don’t know that CC doesnt want to be a Yankee. Just the West Coast chatter from the media which is probably designed by his agent and guys like Gammons, who have a personal stake in getting the Yanks to spend as much as possible.
As much as CC might love LA, if he’s due to make $140 in the next six years, he can charter a lot of private jets to get to LA. Maybe he and Jeter can even split the bill. CC will likely go to the highest bidder, the union generally ‘forces’ top free agents to set the market at the highest rate possible. if the angels are close, then he may have some cause for concern, but that’s only if they are really close.
i personally have never had a million dollars. i couldn’t imagine leaving 10 on the table
So you DON’T think that those will be or should be factors in CC’s decision.
Ok.
I would just love to get to the Stadium for one of those exhibitions or the home opener (preferably).
-i personally have never had a million dollars. i couldn’t imagine leaving 10 on the table
I’ve never had a million dollars either and let me tell ya, I wouldn’t even leave 500K on the table. But you can’t go by me; I love money.
I get a kick out of all these people who are saying what CC wants. How the heck does anyone know other than CC and his family? This is negotiation time, it means he will look to get the deal he wants. Its rare for anyone to take the first offering, as usually those making the offer are willing to go up.
I don’t buy the yapping that he doesn’t want to come here till I hear it as a direct quote from him or his agent who is speaking on his behalf.
There is plenty of time left to the off season. The opening moves are being made, talks going on, this is the time when things start to develop. Give it time. That is what is wrong with this younger generation, everything is wanted instantly, and in real life it just doesn’t happen that way.
The location will be a factor, we just don’t know how big of one it will be. Like I said I’m sure there are many people who have personal $take$ in making it appear that it will take the moon for the Yanks to lure CC from the West Coast.
would the starters play these days or the backups?
Nick,
Okay, looking back at the list, 5 & 7 were jokes. The rest are definitely factors. Pitchers depend on bullpens to hold leads for them or help get them off the hook. And any pitcher who wants to win would prefer a perennial contender over a cellar-dweller. And the Yankees have shown CC a “lot of love” to use Cashman’s own words. So I was partially joking.
-Like I said I’m sure there are many people who have personal $take$ in making it appear that it will take the moon for the Yanks to lure CC from the West Coast.
Yeah, like his agent. Maybe he’s the one feeding the news media this “CC really wants to pitch in CA” line. We just don’t know.
Hey, the guy just got the offer. I’m sure the CA teams haven’t even had a chance to put together their offers. It makes sense that he would take his time as this is a huge decision. There’s no rush. Last time I checked, the season doesn’t start until April 2009.
“Teams that win 85 games have firesales?”
If the team is gonna stink and not make the playoffs then I’d rather stink while watching the kids playing not a bunch of overpriced veterans. The sux and rays are both going to win well over 90 games next year heck if were gonna finish out of the playoffs might as well do it in style and get the high draft picks.
anyone seen the new ESPN/NBA promo with Shaq playing scrabble?
hilarious
To think we could have had a prime age ace who actually wanted to be here just last year, it makes me furious. Also the package the Mets gave up was so inferior to ours.
Choosing to play in a certain city because they have a nice, new stadium is like choosing to go to a certain place for vacation because you like the hotel there.
I’m sure this guy is waiting to see how much the West Coast offers come to and that’s OK but still, he gets offered the largest pitching contract ever and apparently that alone doesn’t even warrant an acknowledgment.
If I’m Cashman I’m making 2 calls tomorrow.
First to Mussina to find out what is up and
Second to Pettite to tell him sorry or to get him signed.
Then I put out word that other offers to pitchers are coming pronto.
“If the team is gonna stink and not make the playoffs then I’d rather stink while watching the kids playing not a bunch of overpriced veterans. The sux and rays are both going to win well over 90 games next year heck if were gonna finish out of the playoffs might as well do it in style and get the high draft picks.”
The Yankees won 89 games w/Ponson and Rasner starting 30 games. The Yankees are not a bad team. They are a good team that was inconsistent.
And how do you know the Sox and Rays will win 90 a piece next year? I’m happy the Rays did as well as they did but they were five games above their pythag. record so there was definitely a little bit of luck factored in. The Sox are getting old just like the Yankees are-
despite infusions of youth-and their situation is by no means a guarantee. Let’s let spring training break before we say who’s gonna win X amount of games.“To think we could have had a prime age ace who actually wanted to be here just last year, it makes me furious. Also the package the Mets gave up was so inferior to ours”
I used to feel this way. Although i now believe CC may be the better pitcher for us, in the long-term. Maybe it is rantionalization (on my part)
Expanding on what I said about the Yankees…
Pretty much no matter what the rotation is, it will be better than one that included Sidney Ponson and Darrell Rasner. They will be better next year.
Al, don’t let it make you furious.
mel, we are in agreement that several from your list SHOULD be factors, or, to us would be factors. You don’t have to convince me about the value of a good bullpen, I’ve made the point myself. And from our point of view as Yankee fans, opening the new stadium could/should be a factor. And who knows, it might end up being one for CC. But we can make a pretty good guess as to what the ultimate factors will be.
A general point to those who are getting a little nervous because CC hasn’t accepted/rejected our offer yet: I wouldn’t want you negotiating something important on my behalf!
One more point: I’m not worried about a sad sack CC reluctantly agreeing to accept more money to come to NY and then pitching for us and pining for wester pastures. I think if CC signs, his heart will be in it.
now we’re panicing that CC won’t sign here?
a bit premature. No?
CC probably is fishing for more offers which he’ll probably never formally get in writing, but I think we’ll have CC news conference trying on extra large pinstripes by if not on, Thanksgiving Day.
“I used to feel this way. Although i now believe CC may be the better pitcher for us, in the long-term. Maybe it is rantionalization (on my part)”
I agree, however if he doesn’t sign the Santana deal is gigantic disaster and one of the darkest moments in our franchise history.
By the way, let me see, Wang and Joba are in and probably one spot for Pettitte or Moose, that leaves space for two free agents, ie CC and AJ. I think Lowe goes back to beantown.
Am I the only one who wants to sign just one FA pitcher? Sabathia should be that guy, but if not, it should be Burnett. Signing two starters and bringing back Pettitte or Moose unnecessarily blocks Hughes and there is no point to him pitching in AAA for an entire season at this point. I’d like the rotation to be:
CC (or Burnett, if Burnett, switch him and Wang)
Wang
Pettitte or Moose
Joba
Hughes
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/11/17/2008-11-17_mccready_apologizes_to_clemens_wife_deni.html
I will cringe if CC goes to the Angels. They already own the Yankees w/out him imagine CC/Lackey/Santana/Saunders/Weaver.
“Am I the only one who wants to sign just one FA pitcher? Sabathia should be that guy, but if not, it should be Burnett. Signing two starters and bringing back Pettitte or Moose unnecessarily blocks Hughes and there is no point to him pitching in AAA for an entire season at this point. ”
Yes, you are (ok, probably not). It seems to me that the organization wants Hughes (who is still only 22 years old) to get one good FULL year in AAA, so he can then make it back to the big leagues at the ripe old age of 24. Confidence, and a little extra pitching wisdom will go a very long way towards his future success.
Al, I conclusively proved in an earlier thread that CC won’t end up with the Angels, so not to worry.
(insert winky emoticon here)
“They already own the Yankees w/out him imagine CC/Lackey/Santana/Saunders/Weaver.”
That rotation is why I don’t see them going after CC…they’re loaded without him.
Al-
“To think we could have had a prime age ace who actually wanted to be here just last year, it makes me furious. Also the package the Mets gave up was so inferior to ours.”
No-one mentions that we could have had Dan Haren, if interested, at only 4 million last year.
If Sabathia and Burnett go elsewhere, and Lowe stays in NL, now who do you want?
2010 starting pitchers include besides star John Lackey, such “stalwarts” as Jason Marquis,Brandon Backe, Erik Bedard,Jarrod Washburn, Joel Pineiro,Jose Contreras, Mike Hampton-Take your pick!!
Outfielders galore in 2010-Crawford, Bay, Holliday, Werth, possibly Dye and Ordonez.
Still say need two quality free agent starters this year and then look to trade some our excess of some quality minor league arms for young athletic position, major/minor league position players.
moose should wait as long as he decides right, no need for a brett farve part 2.
I wouldn’t hit the panic button at all. Even if he doesn’t sign here it’s not like 2009 is going to be a waste. I still feel pretty good provided Wang and the young guys stay healthy.
But I am a little put off on a guy who is sort of scoffing at a record contract offered amidst the worst economic crisis in 75 yrs. This contract would give him the 2nd highest yearly salary behind you know who. And ARod is practically a non-risk to break down.(At least physically).
I think any player would jump at that money before it disappeared.
The worst part of it is (and I know this is really, really bad of me) that in my heart of hearts, I really believe that he probably will come to NY and he’ll do alright but not awesome and we’ll all say he wasn’t worth it.
And if he doesn’t come I hope he comes out and says that he just didn’t want to be the highest paid guy and deal with all the pressure that it entails. For that I’ll give him his props.
Trader- Dan Haren is good but hes no Santana and Beane would have insisted on Hughes plus another top tier guy. The thing that bothered me was watching Santana pitch like a God down the stretch and thinking that we could have had him. Its obvious its CC or bust this off-season, CC gives us a bonified 1-2 with CC and Wanger. If we don’t get him its a totally different story.
“I think any player would jump at that money before it disappeared.”
But he knows it won’t disappear. He’s doing what any sensible person would do when making a business decision – fielding all offers, and weighing the against one another… if anything, this ordeal shows he’s not an irrational, overly-emotional decision-maker. Or maybe it just shows that he has a sensible agent.
“The worst part of it is (and I know this is really, really bad of me) that in my heart of hearts, I really believe that he probably will come to NY and he’ll do alright but not awesome and we’ll all say he wasn’t worth it. ”
This really is the toughest part… simply because he probably will not be Randy Johnson circa 1995, but this is what the price is for all-star level, consistent, durable starting pitching.
Phil Hughes will outperform CC for the duration of his contract.
“Phil Hughes will outperform CC for the duration of his contract.”
Hahaha. lol, wow. Phil hasn’t proven he can even stay healthy yet and you are anointing him the future ace and better than a Cy Young award winner who throws 230 innings every year.
Yankee 1996,
Hughes won’t even put up better numbers in AAA than CC will put up at the ML level.
Yanks 1996
well, won’t that be awesome!
It’s not all about 2009.
If 2009 is Andy’s last year, then that opens up a spot for Phil Hughes. A 2010 rotation of CC, Wang, Joba, Burnett/Lowe, and a more fully developed Phil Hughes ain’t bad. Neither is a rotation of CC, Wang, Joba, Hughes, and (potentially) Brackman down the road.
The purpose of the 2nd FA starter is not only 2009, but to hold a spot open until 2011 for the projected guys in the pipeline who you want to fully develop.
It’s all related.
If each of the wealthy teams get to pick one star free agent to supply a “NEED”, then these free agents should be signed by these teams:
Sabathia-Yankees
Ramirez-Dodgers
Teixeira-Angels
K-Rod -Mets or Rangers
Fuentes-Mets or Rangers
Furcal-Boston
Bradley-Rays
Dunn-Giants
Wood-Tigers
Burnett-Braves
Dempster-Cubs
Hudson-Cardinals
Anderson-Mariners
Burrell-Phillies
Wolf-Astros
Garland-Toronto
Boring day so any thoughts??
Here’s a bit of good news:
The Orioles signed some guy named Brad Hennessey who really stunk it up in the Giants organization last season. Let’s hope he makes it to their rotation next season.
If Sabathia decides to take less money from another team the Yankees will sign Teixeira. They’d need to get Mussina and Pettitte both back and they’d probably go after Burnett too. They could even try to trade Hughes, Swisher, and Kennedy for Peavey.
Why would CC go for our first offer? I think if it gets to 150 he’ll stop screwing around and sign already.
If we’re ignoring levels of competition, Igawa was the best starter in the organization last year, wasn’t he?
The organization clearly feels that CC has a very strong preference to go West and the only way he will come here is if we blow the doors away for him and try to lure him here with money.
Why else would our FIRST offer to him be the highest ever for a pitcher?
They want to scare away the West Coast teams and send a message to CC and his agent. They know they are likely bidding against themselves but know that is the only way to secure him. If they felt it was an even playing field, why wouldn’t they participate in a normal bidding war?
“Yes, you are (ok, probably not). It seems to me that the organization wants Hughes (who is still only 22 years old) to get one good FULL year in AAA, so he can then make it back to the big leagues at the ripe old age of 24. Confidence, and a little extra pitching wisdom will go a very long way towards his future success.”
I see the wisdom in that and I don’t necessarily oppose it. It’s just, what happens if Hughes starts bringing the srs pwn at AAA after a month or so? There’d be no point to keep him down there, would there?
we need 2 new pitchers because we need a number 1 and a number 3
moose or pettite are number 4 starters at this point and joba is 5 so anyone who puts joba 3rd on their rotaion well that doesnt make any sense
Whatever writer voted 6 guys ahead of Pujols for MVP needs his vote taken away and the same for the writer who didn’t give Howard a top 10 vote.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081117&content_id=3682238&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
“It’s not all about 2009.
If 2009 is Andy’s last year, then that opens up a spot for Phil Hughes. A 2010 rotation of CC, Wang, Joba, Burnett/Lowe, and a more fully developed Phil Hughes ain’t bad. Neither is a rotation of CC, Wang, Joba, Hughes, and (potentially) Brackman down the road.
The purpose of the 2nd FA starter is not only 2009, but to hold a spot open until 2011 for the projected guys in the pipeline who you want to fully develop.
It’s all related.”
Very true, very true.
ps- i am aware that my last post totally contradicts my name, i guess im the only one a little wary of CC, but i understand that bc the mess the yanks are in we have no choice but to overpay for him
Al-
Even with Santana, lets say we’re the wild card [Posada, Matsui, Wang out] playing the Angels-would a rotation of Santana-then Mussina-[Pettitte hurting, Joba in bullpen]-Pavano gotten us past them, then the Rays, then the Phillies.One never knows but my feeling is no! Is Santana going to be a stud for 6 more years-his velocity is down? Will he be like Pedro Martinez for the Mets good for 2 years then downhill? Will Sabathia?
I know it is still very early, but so far the off season is pretty lame. The Yankees made their offer to CC, and boom everything stopped. The only thing I’ve read is the Mets are upset about the ‘false’ report about Krod.
Otherwise nothing.
“moose or pettite are number 4 starters at this point and joba is 5 so anyone who puts joba 3rd on their rotaion well that doesnt make any sense”
Why does it make no sense? Joba’s a freaking great pitcher and taking starts away from him and giving them to lesser pitchers is silly. The only reason is innings restrictions. I think through July, Joba will be the #5 guy to control his innings, but after the ASB, they’ll pump him up to “normal” innings loads; they have to take the reins off at some point.
“Phil Hughes will outperform CC for the duration of his contract.”
Even if he does (and that’s a BIG IF)... it won’t be until years 4,5 and 6… a time when Rivera and Posada are probably gone, Jeter is on his last legs (as far as being an all-star level player goes). I think it’s critical that Cash goes for it before these core guys lose all effectiveness. When you’ve got an advantage – great C & SS and HOF closer, you have to make every attempt to win now. Which is why I was disappointed to see Santana not come to the Bronx last year.
A guy like CC, can not only enable the Yanks to win now, with this core of guys, but also in the future when (hopefully) AJax, Joba, Hughes, Melancon and co. are leading the charge.
“ps- i am aware that my last post totally contradicts my name, i guess im the only one a little wary of CC, but i understand that bc the mess the yanks are in we have no choice but to overpay for him”
I’m a little weary too, but he’s clearly the best option. Lowe’s style of pitching isn’t great for the Yankees crappy IF defense and Burnett could be unreliable, despite his dynamite stuff and great strikeout rates.
I’d rather have Sabathia than Burnett AND Lowe.
“A guy like CC, can not only enable the Yanks to win now, with this core of guys, but also in the future when (hopefully) AJax, Joba, Hughes, Melancon and co. are leading the charge.”
Don’t forget Montero. I’m really excited about him.
Squints:
it makes no sense because its not going to happen, the yanks are going to baby him as usual and he will again be under strict innings watch
jennifer,
Tell me about it. There was more action prior to the start of free agency than there has been during so far.
So boring. Are we the only team to even bid on a free agent?
“If Sabathia decides to take less money from another team the Yankees will sign Teixeira. They’d need to get Mussina and Pettitte both back and they’d probably go after Burnett too. They could even try to trade Hughes, Swisher, and Kennedy for Peavey.”
Teixeira is a Boras client, unlikely to sign before the middle, if that soon, in December. We have Swisher, Posada might need to be eventually there and Jesus Montero might be our 1st baseman of the future. My guess is that Boras will get at least 7 years for Teixeira.
Peavy- Buyer beware-Bad mechanics, relies on the slider-possible arm trouble and doesn’t want to be in AL.
but i do agree with you joba is a star that is again going to be held back, if in the future this helps him or not i guess we’ll just have to wait and see
“it makes no sense because its not going to happen, the yanks are going to baby him as usual and he will again be under strict innings watch”
I know, I know. I hope, though, by midseason they let him get a little bit so that when they do let him go normally in ‘10 it’s not too big a jump.
“Lowe’s style of pitching isn’t great for the Yankees crappy IF defense ”
I actually think that with the acquisition of Swish, and if Cano cares about making plays in the hole, the IF defense could be pretty good this year. To me, Jeter has gotten better defensively the last 2 years, than where he was in the middle of this decade, and ARod is an underappreciated 3B.
I think the bigger worry is OF defense. I didn’t see enough of Nady in right to get a feel for his ability… we all know about Abreu and his wall-a-phobia.
“but i do agree with you joba is a star that is again going to be held back, if in the future this helps him or not i guess we’ll just have to wait and see”
I think it will ultimately help, but I can see a scenario where it could hurt.
I mean, Cole Hamels got a big innings jump in 06/07 and had some arm trouble so they could be looking to avoid that, which would be great.
But, at the same time, they could restrict his innings TOO much and then in 2010, he won’t be used to a big load.
We’ll see, I guess.
/shrug
e-rod, it appears that way. I haven’t heard of any other team making an offer.
E-Rod,
Apparently the Giants signed Jeremy Affeldt today… first FA to sign. Seems to me that no team knows what to make of the economy, and they’re waiting for a couple of guys to sign to help determine the market… the Yanks planning on over-paying CC won’t help the smaller markets – but too bad, this is capitalism.
“we all know about Abreu and his wall-a-phobia”
haha i have to admit i am a bobby fan, and his phobia is very annoying but i dont think anyone can say we’ve lost a game bc of it (okay maybe a 1 or 2 lol) i wouldnt mind him in the lineup next year but signing him for 3 years is a bit too much
Reports that Fucal and agent are looking for 4 year 40M contract, and Giants and A’s?? are interested.
Sooooo bored, so I’ll throw this possibly inane idea out there. Could Furcal, with his cannon arm and range, play the outfield [center] for us??
If the sox start making a play for teixera, will the yankees jump into the bidding war?
I can see that being a major way the yankees go after him. Especially, if their starting rotation is already set and the payroll is lower than it was last yr by a significant margin. If swisher is our only offensive signing up to this point – we are down about 80 million minus about 7 million this season which is 73 mil. If it takes 10 plus to sign pettitte – we are down 63 million. If it takes 25 million to sign sabathia, we are down 43 million and if it takes 12 million to sign Lowe, we are down 31 million. Tack on the money for marte’s new contract at 4 million per and we are down 27 million. I think Nady is making about 4 million and wasnt on the payroll most of last yr (if at all) so we are down 23 million. Am I forgetting anyone or miscalculating? Teixera will get no more than 20 million per. Is it worth it to have last yrs payroll but add teixera to our lineup instead of the redsox? I would say yea – esp since the yanks are going to sell out every game next yr, break every record in terms of product sales and make a good amount from YES. Why lower payroll before opening up a new stadium? Payroll flexibility – yea, im sure the yanks will break the bank if they have the same payroll they had last yr and be unable to sign anyone midseason. Not likely. I think this scenario is very plausible – probably the only way the yanks will get into the fight for teixera in the first place
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