Does Crisp deal open some doors?
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It appears that the Red Sox have traded Coco Crisp to the Royals for reliever Ramon Ramirez.
Makes sense for Boston, which has Jacoby Ellsbury to play center. Ramirez pitched well last season and is not yet arbitration eligible.
Now here is the question: What will the Royals do with their glut of outfielders? They now have Crisp, Jose Guillen, David DeJesus, Mark Teahen and Joey Gathright. That’s one too many.
The most likely scenario is trading Mark Teahen, maybe to the Cubs. There has been a lot of buzz about Teahen this winter and it can’t all be smoke. But in Yankees Fan Fantasy World (the place where Mark Teixeira comes on the cheap and Melky Cabrera has trade value), the Yankees could obtain DeJesus to play center field.
DeJesus would be a good fit. He was .307/.366/.452 and is from Brooklyn. But shouldn’t the Royals be in the business of keeping guys like DeJesus? Their best outfield would be DeJesus, Crisp and Guillen.
The Royals need pitching, starting and relief. Maybe there is a deal to be made there.
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Maybe I’m missing something because I don’t know (or care) much about the Royals… but if they need pitching and have extra outfielders, why did they trade a pitcher for an outfielder? Is the speculated Teahan to the Cubs trade for a better pitcher?
pete, you are saying that melky cant be dealt for some b-level pitching? that there is a team out there who wouldnt take a chance on him without giving up major pieces?
poor deal by the Royals…what are the odds on them picking up an $8m option on Crisp after this season ??? Their payroll averages slightly more than a typical Dunkin Donuts franchise (in a major city)…
without a doubt. Trade kennedy melky and another arm. Royals can then get rid of Teahen. See what melky can do for them either as a starter or bench player. The arms would take care of itself.
Pete, if the Cubs get Teahan, doesn’t that leave Abreu out in the cold or will the Mets look to replace Church with him?
Trade for Beltran.
Laura,
Rumor has it that Abreu, after being told that “there’s brick behind the ivy” informed the Cubbies that he was not interested.
Yankees Fantasy World! Pete that’s a good one!
the royals are desperate to get rid of teahen.. the cubs are desperate for a rf-er. that fits more than trying to pry dejesus, who the royals moved to lf, by the way.
so if he’s not good enough to play cf for the royals, what makes anyone think he could play cf for the yankees…
Gardner or Melky and some relief pitching for Crisp.
“Trade for Beltran.”
You think the Mets would trade Beltran to us? Unless we are sending them Cano, Hughes and some other hot player, the answer would be No.
Trade for Ichiro.
MLB.com’s Jim Molony received a “no comment” from the Red Sox on McRae’s report. Royals exec Mike Arbuckle said Crisp is still under Red Sox control, while Kansas City Star writer Joe Posnanski says there’s something to the rumor. – This comes from MLBTradeRumors.com
“Rumor has it that Abreu, after being told that “there’s brick behind the ivy†informed the Cubbies that he was not interested.”
I can’t stand coco puffs. Not sure I have a good reason, but I can’t stand the guy.
This Burnett thing is about to get huge. We want him, the Red Sox want him. We don’t want the Red Sox to get him because he kills us. They don’t want us to get him because he kills them. It’s addition by addition, AND addition by subtraction for whichever team wins.
This could get ugly. The Red Sox may not have our payroll, but they could if they wanted to (John Henry is ridiculously loaded). Not sure Theo will go through the roof to keep us from getting Burnett, but they showed with dice-k that it’s not out of the question.
Cereal Boy is a punk. I wouldn’t want him on the Yankees.
You all make me laguh. NOBODY wants Melky. LOL I wouldnt be completely suprised if the yankees cant trade him they DFA him. This is crazy given his melky like stats but I like Gathright. Hes young and fast
Gathright isnt that young. He has essentially been the exact same player for TB and KC for the last 5 (or so) years.
a 4th or 5th OF that only plays when someone else gets hurt… hits .280 with a low OBP and steals a bunch of bases before he himself gets hurt, and then fades to black.
Trade Melky for DeJesus, straight up! If that doesn’t get it done, throw in Shelley Duncan.
“John Henry is ridiculously loaded”
is he really still loaded after the fatal hit to so many hedge funds? maybe he is, but i’d be surprised to hear it.
“NOBODY wants Melky.”
You know, if someone would take the time to work with Melky, he could be a serviceable outfielder. He’s got a canon for an arm; his problem is that he’s forgotten how to hit. Get the guy a special hitting instructor and work with him. He could prove useful.
Didn’t seen the new post…
“I thought he was clearly the best non-Soria arm of the lot. Only issue with Ramirez is walks. A little too many. â€
Fredo,
We’ve had this conversation a couple of times – about the potential trade value of some of the yankees middle relievers.
I think the Ramirez-Crisp deal is a pretty good example of the kind of deal that I’ve been referring to in the past.
This deal also shows that if the Yankees put Veras out on the market they’d likely get a useful piece back.
Veras and Ramirez are similar and if you wanted to pick one over the other so be it. Veras does have much better stuff – but he’s also less consistent. Those guys are kind of wash (though Veras does have more upside…)
If the Royals could get an above average everyday player for Ramirez the yankees should be able to get something analagous back for Veras and to a lesser degree Ramirez.
The CF market is very slim this off season. And the Royals were still able to get back a CF.
Package Veras and Ramirez together and the return you could get back might become interesting.
DeJesus is a pretty awful defensive CF.
soria is a massive contract in waiting, dude is the goods
Cashman should trade Veras this offseason, even if it’s for a guy like Gathright
why would the Royals ever do that?
trading melky to the royals would do nothing for them, they have too many OF already. trade kennedy and some other pitching for teahen. teahen plays third, theres a chance he could play first if needed. normally though he can play CF, move damon to left and x-man to right. melky as the backup OF.
“is he really still loaded after the fatal hit to so many hedge funds?”
Good question, but I would think overall, yes.
randy,
thanks for your thoughts on burnett vs. lowe. I agree with you – very tough call. The point on AJ handling NY is a good one.
It must be very tough running a business right now. Amazing what’s happened. I hope things are going as well as possible for you at this time.
The battle lines are being drawn, with Boston also in the hunt for Burnett, as well as Teix and Lowe…makes it interesting and certainly jacks it up for players. IMO, it’s lessens considerably the likelihood of signing either AJ or DL. My take…not that anyone is really interested…is that we sign neither of them.
“is he really still loaded after the fatal hit to so many hedge funds? maybe he is, but i’d be surprised to hear it.”
From what I’ve seen in the paper Henry’s hedge fund took a big hit this past year.
I’d guess he’s still quite wealthy – but nowhere near what he was 2 years ago.
When the owner of the team has his fortune based in equities – a lot can happen.
Veras to the Stros for Wigginton???
“my take is that we sign neither of them”
We will sign both of them because my dad says I can have whatever I want!!!
Veras and/or Edwar to KC for DeJesus?
How would an OF of DeJesus (LF), Damon/Gardner (CF), and Nady (RF) look? If CB’s analysis of DeJesus’ production in LF is accurate, then it’s not too shabby.
Besides Mike Cameron, what CFs are out there who realistically might be available?
Hank S.
We will open our wallets, but you need to be smooth about your approach, dont just yell to the world we want everything. Dad had a little bit of tact. Just a little.
There you go, trade Kennedy and a bullpen arm for Crisp.
In case you haven’t noticed I like Crisp.
A guy like Crisp is exactly what the Yanks need in center.
Bernie Williams is available. We only have 6 outfielders, why not a 7th.
the Red Sox are a self-contained entity. I doubt that Henry’s personal travails, if any, will impact the Sox’ decision-making process….any decision they make is usually well thought out.
DeJesus is the better offensive CF, but Crisp is a far better defensive CF, and what’s more, he’s a free-agent after 2009, if you decline his option.
I think I’d prefer Crispy to retain the option of starting Action Jackson in 2010 or 2011.
Hal S,
We NEED to make our plans know so everybody will get scared and let us have what we want.
WHY would we want crisp. he does nothing for us, he’s an overpriced gardner.
“Veras to the Stros for Wigginton???”
I was thinking the same exact thing. That’s what immediately popped into my head when I heard about the Astros rumors.
If they dump Valverde they’ll need more help in the pen.
Veras is very cheap and has great stuff.
If the Stros are looking to dump salary I’d try to get them to take less than Veras – maybe Edwar and a minor leaguer (Stephen Jackson?).
But Wiggnington is exactly the kind of piece they should look to get using their middle relief depth.
“I think I’d prefer Crispy to retain the option of starting Action Jackson in 2010 or 2011.”
Like someone said before, Crisp is a punk. I don’t want him.
So all of this Cano-Kemp talk is done?
Given the Brewers bullpen woes, would a Veras/Edwar tandem get Cameron???
this board is littered w/ ridiculous/idiotic trade offers. i thank god brian cashman is the gm and not them…
Hank… Hank… Hank…
Don’t worry. In the end of the day, we will have CC, AJ, and anyone else from the MLB eye chart.
“Given the Brewers bullpen woes, would a Veras/Edwar tandem get Cameron???”
I think they would listen. Cameron is 12% of their payroll right now.
Given their need for starting and relief pitching I can’t imagine them allocating resources that way.
Ideally they will trade Veras in a package for some kind of CF help. That’ would be Veras’s greatest value to the 2009 yanks.
We don’t need Cameron…
We have 6 outfielders and haven’t even mentioned Abreu.
One more year we will have to ride out the Matsui-Damon era.
Then we have Austin Jackson in CF and no left or right fielders and we are back at it.
Hal,
You promise?!? Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!! This is gonna be fun, yaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!
Ariel, my original point is that if the Red Sox wanted a higher payroll, they could probably have one because Henry could always throw more money into the company to a much greater extent than can the Steinbrenners. As Randy and CB pointed out, that may or may not be the case any longer. No-one was saying they’d have to contract their payroll because of Henry’s hedge fund taking a hit.
Personally, I’d love to see Dejesus patrolling CF for the yanks. He’s from my town and is a Rutgers kid. I think he could replicate those numbers in the bronx.
The Kiid,
“This board is loaded with ridiculous/idiotic trade offers”
How would you like a job heading up our scouting department? I’ll start you off at $25,000 a year. You can start by picking up my dry cleaning.
Why are you guys so enamored with the idea of the Yankees acquiring Wigginton? Isn’t he yet ANOTHER LF? You don’t expect him to play 3b, I trust. I’d gladly play him in RF and send Nady on the first 7 train to the Flushing sewer, if I could, but Wiggy doesn’t seem to play RF.
I like punks, Laura, if they’re Yankees. The Yankees could use a few more brawlers like Joba and (alas, Pedroia and Youklis.) Too many guys like Jeter on the Yankees who wanted to be elected UN General Secretary.
GreenBeret7
November 19th, 2008 at 11:39 am
CB
November 19th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Package Veras and Ramirez together and the return you could get back might become interesting.
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Do you think Milwaukee would be interested in adding Ramirez, Veras and Nady or Russo and one of Wright or Kroenke to Milwaukee for Hart and a minor league infielder? It may look like a lot to some, but, NYY is dealing their most plentiful commodity, young starters and bullpen.
Have you seen my baseball?
I like Veras depsite his tendency to lose sight of the plate for long stretches. That curve of his when thrown for strikes is one of the best I’ve ever seen.
Unless Edwar can gain 40 lbs and enhance the velocity on his fastball so he can throw 92mph+ consistently, I’d much prefer to trade him.
When Edward gets hit, he gets pummeled.
A trade for DeJesus would be great. We could rotate Damon, DeJesus, or Gardner (Swisher too i guess) in center this year. Then, next year, when Damon and maybe Nady leave, we are not left with an outfeild of Gardner, Melky, Jackson??. We could put DeJesus on one of the courners with maybe Swisher(depending on Posada’s ability to play C)or Nady, with Gardner or hopefully Jackson in center.
Hank S, you’re hilarious.
GB7,
Your question from the last thread.
I think the Brewers won’t look to move Hart right now. In a pinch he can play CF. He’s young, not that expensive and useful.
I’d have to think they’d want to move cameron first.
“Have you seen my baseball?”
I just about wet my pants just now!! I think Cashman has your baseball, but he doesn’t call it a baseball. He calls it something else!
KS:
Remember how weak the 2008 bench was? Guy like Wigginton, who can play a few positions and can actually hit a little represents a pretty significant improvement.
The one uniform I’d like to see AJ Burnett in less than Pinstripes is Boston Red.
Can’t someone convince the Dodgers or Giants, or heck the Mets, to offer Burnett 5-years?
While we are stocking up on outfielders who are 75% of their former selves, why not Barry Bonds too? We can have a team of outfielders.
we go into 09 the way we are and next offseason, try to sign/trade for Crawford, Kemp, Upton, and other YOUNG, outfielders….
Wiggington is a great utility guy. No one wants him as a full-time starter, but a guy who can play some 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, DH and he gives you quality at bats while doing so.
Let’s make a deal and find out what’s behind door number one, cuz I wouldn’t want to wait for CC.
“Why are you guys so enamored with the idea of the Yankees acquiring Wigginton? ”
He had an .876 OPS last year and hit 23 HR (granted – bandbox park… but he did have an OPS+ of 128). He has a career OPS of .790.
He can play 3b, 2b, 1b, and LF. He’s even spent a few innings in RF but clearly that’s not an optimal position for him.
He has experience playing part time off the bench and has experience playing in the AL East.
The yankees are an old team in general. Last year when those older player got hurt they had to rely on guys who produced close to replacement level and this killed the offense. They also have a 2b who was awful last year and may need some kind of external motivation to keep him focused.
I think there is a pretty compelling case for Wigginton.
Fredo, do you really want to sacrifice Veras for a bench player though?
Wouldn’t you prefer to reserve Veras to see whether you can pry away either Crisp or The Jesus from the Royals?
I heard the Astros also have placed Carlos Lee on the block as well. Too bad, he can’t play 1B or any defensive position for that matter well.
You know, I’m actually beginning to believe the chance of the Yankees signing Manny has risen to 50/50.
Chase Wright for Dustin Pedroia…
Dustin will allow us to use Cano off the bench, and Chase Wright pitches really well at Fenway. It’s a win win…
CB
November 19th, 2008 at 11:52 am
GB7,
Your question from the last thread.
I think the Brewers won’t look to move Hart right now. In a pinch he can play CF. He’s young, not that expensive and useful.
I’d have to think they’d want to move cameron first.
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Thanks CB, I did’t think they would. Just going on the fac tthat they suddenly became very pitcher short and offense is one thing they have. Hart is a joy to watch. As bad as he can look at times on defense, I also wouldn’t mind seeing Billy Hall in NY. His defense gets streaky, but he does play 6 positions, has speed, arm and power.
Granted guys, love, Wiggy for the bench. I just don’t want to relinquish Veras for a bench player until I can confirm that I can’t use him to acquire a CF from the Royals.
Then if Melancon is ready, I’d explore the possibility but still prefer to cede Edwar instead, if the Astros would take him.
Fredo Corleone
November 19th, 2008 at 11:53 am
KS:
Remember how weak the 2008 bench was? Guy like Wigginton, who can play a few positions and can actually hit a little represents a pretty significant improvement
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The bench was weak because most of them were plying full time or more than they should have.
ichiro
***were playing full time***
“I like punks, Laura, if they’re Yankees. The Yankees could use a few more brawlers like Joba and (alas, Pedroia and Youklis.) Too many guys like Jeter on the Yankees who wanted to be elected UN General Secretary.”
I’d agree with you if Watson wasn’t such a Yankee hater. Whenever we try to stand up for ourselves and be tough, we pay the price. Everyone else gets off with a slap on the hand. We get major suspensions. In the end, it’s not even worth it.
“Just going on the fac tthat they suddenly became very pitcher short and offense is one thing they have.”
GB7,
Believe me I agree with you. Some teams just match up very well. The Brewers and the yankees have a very compelling case to make a deal.
The Brewers really have absolutely no pitching right now – rotation has to be their priority but their pen is empty as well.
They are not going to want to spend $4M on a middle reliever. They just can’t.
They’re team has also become much too one dimensional – they’ve taken the philosophy of always pick the best player in the draft almost too far. Too many bad defensive, power hitting, strike out oriented, low OBP guys.
Is Hart better than Nady? Not sure he’s an upgrade in RF and I dont’ think he’s a real CF.
I’d love Wiggington on the team, he’d improve the bench a lot. We saw last year what happens when the bench sucks. A good bench can be a huge positive for a team. Look at Tampa Bay last year. They lost Crawford and Longoria down the stretch but guys off the bench stepped right in and played well. Who did the Yankees have when A-rod got hurt or Cano played terribly? Wilson Betemit and Morgan Ensberg.
KS is there a logical reason why you’d like to dump Nady in the flushing sewer but wouldn’t mind having Wigginton in right?
There’s no evidence to suggest that Wigginton is a better player than Nady.
Hey Peter…love what you wrote here with the “Yankee Fan Fantasy World” and the possibility of acquiring DeJesus from the KC Royals. Do you think that Kennedy, Melky + one other relief pitcher/low level prospect would get it done? I think that DeJesus would thrive in New York and he is just the kind of guy that the Yankees would need to play CF. The remaining question would be…would he take over the leadoff position and Johnny Damon have to move down?
Hey Pete, you really have a difficult time hiding the fact that you are a raging New England fanboy. You are running a professional blog and you are covering the lower Hudson valley. The majority of your readers are Yankee fans. Even though what you may say is slightly accurate in the more absurd, incoherent Yankee fan circles, it is not true at all with the knowledgeable fans.
You are making me not even want to read a blog I once enjoyed. Every single time I read you take a shot at the Yankees, Girardi, or the fans. Please, you are not here for comic relief. This is a sports blog for baseball fans, specifically Yankee fans. You are turning this into a place where Red Sox fans can come and enjoy a nice read because all you do is insult the franchise you are covering.
Learn to write objectively. The more you show your bias the more readers you will lose, and then there goes your value to LoHud. For the sake of your job, cut out the nonsense comments.
I’m already counting the days to the first game I can see Joba throw inside again on Youklis.
I would make a Veras-Wiggington deal tomorrow, if possible.
Mark Melancon is ready, making Veras expendable.
They have Bruney and Marte setting up Mo.
Melancon can easily fall into Veras’ role in the bullpen.
In Wiggington, they get a guy who can play anywhere, hit good pitching, and has the unique ability to maintain his stroke without playing everyday.
He would be a perfect guy for the bench.
Its also a deal that makes sense for the Astros since they are looking to trade Valverde.
That’s a deal that makes sense for both teams.
Would be nice if that one could get done.
we go into 09 the way we are and next offseason, try to sign/trade for Crawford, Kemp, Upton, and other YOUNG, outfielders….
hahahahahahahahahahahah..
Seriously, guy.
im with decider.
though, even with pedroia as the extra infielder, we can still sign miguel cairo right? then trade the naming rights to jeter’s turn-two foundation for nate mclouth. we get a center fielder and they get some much needed good pr. everybody wins.
“The bench was weak because most of them were plying full time or more than they should have.”
GB7,
This is very true. But on the flip side – if you have an old team you are going to have injuries. That’s just the way it is.
And part of the way you handle risk with an old team is to have a very good bench. Someone is going to get hurt and Wilson Betemit is going to play.
There’s not a lot they could do about losing Posada – catching is just too hard to find.
But a guy like Wigginton would have made losing ARod and Matsui much, much more tolerable.
I agree about Watson. It’s clear that the Yankees always seem to take suspensions for throwing NEAR batters. When it happens to them, they dont complain or start fights, which is why people who go for them never get disciplined.
People like Ortiz whine and complain when the ball comes on the inner half of the plate.
It’s hard to be intense when you lose a player everytime they show some fire.
“The bench was weak because most of them were plying full time or more than they should have.”
That and they stunk. Bench to start the year was Duncan, Betimit, Molina and Gonzalez. While Molina is a fine backup, the one common bond these guys share is their inability to hit at the major league level. In general, it was a bad bench. Worse they’ve had in years.
CB, the advantage is that Hart’s a little more versitile, but, mainly, he steals bases, which could replace Abreu. It woulmake either Damon or Nady expendable, unless NYY wants to try him in center, but, as you say, it’s not his best spot nd that’s a big center field.
“I’m already counting the days to the first game I can see Joba throw inside again on Youklis.”
.400/.625/.400/1.025
So is he.
Don’t worry yankee fans. It is an odd year, thus A-Rod will hit somewhere between 45-55 homeruns and 130-150 RBIs.
No Ray, No logical reason. If you study Nady and Wigginton’s stats they’re almost identical.
I just wanted Bay instead of Nady and prefer Abreu to Nady as well. Cashman’s great attraction for and faith in Nady just irks me.
My dislike of Nady is totally irrational.
I called for Wiggy since the deadline. IDK if he’d be good in RF but his bat sure makes up for any mistake this guy went on a tear when Houston was battling to stay alive last season. I’d love Wiggy but where does he play RF, LF or 1B. Does he alternate w/ Swish in RF/1B ?
“That and they stunk. Bench to start the year was Duncan, Betimit, Molina and Gonzalez. While Molina is a fine backup, the one common bond these guys share is their inability to hit at the major league level. In general, it was a bad bench. Worse they’ve had in years.”
Which is why we also didn’t win many games in the late innings. How many games did we come back to win after the 7th inning? You can probably count them on one hand and still have a few fingers left.
“Fredo, do you really want to sacrifice Veras for a bench player though?”
Sure. I don’t think Veras is anything special. Good, but not great 6th/7th inning relief guy. Yankees need a solid utility guy moreso than they need Veras.
CB
November 19th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
“The bench was weak because most of them were plying full time or more than they should have.â€
GB7,
This is very true. But on the flip side – if you have an old team you are going to have injuries. That’s just the way it is.
And part of the way you handle risk with an old team is to have a very good bench. Someone is going to get hurt and Wilson Betemit is going to play.
There’s not a lot they could do about losing Posada – catching is just too hard to find.
But a guy like Wigginton would have made losing ARod and Matsui much, much more tolerable.
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I think back to the old Yankee benches of the early 60’s with Hector Lopez, Berra, Cerv and Johnny Blanchard. Evn Kubek was a utility player four his first three years. The last really top utility player NYY had was Rany Velarde.
“That and they stunk. Bench to start the year was Duncan, Betimit, Molina and Gonzalez. While Molina is a fine backup, the one common bond these guys share is their inability to hit at the major league level. In general, it was a bad bench. Worse they’ve had in years.â€
Which is why we also didn’t win many games in the late innings. How many games did we come back to win after the 7th inning? You can probably count them on one hand and still have a few fingers left.
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I know what i was doing with one of those spare fingers each time they blew a game or hit into a DP.
yeah, Spouklis has 2 singles in eight Plate Appearance against Joba– that’s a real representative stat.
Yankee fans, Yankee fans, I will do my best to land C.C. , AJ , and Teixeira. Swisher will play RF.
Wiggington is not an everyday player. That’s his value.
He can put up numbers and not have to play everyday.
He’s also better in the infield than OF. He isn’t a good OF.
He can play third, second, and first.
If Cano is slumping, or struggles against a certain lefty, you have Wiggington to plug into the lineup. He gives the Yankees more matchup options.
Don’t know if it can get done but, it would be nice to have a guy like that in pinstripes.
I agree about Watson. It’s clear that the Yankees always seem to take suspensions for throwing NEAR batters..
I agree with this as well. But on the same note, it’s not about pitching on the inner half, it’s about pitching on the inner half six feet off the ground. It’s not right to do that, ever. I was once hit with ball up and in, and I woke up four hours later with a surgically repaired orbital bone, and a ruined collegiate baseball career. I still get fuzzy days every now and then. Every single pitcher who goes up and in, at the head anyhow, should absolutely be suspended for 3 games, regardless of intention or not. If you’re a MLB pitcher, you should have the command to not do that unintentionally with a fastball.
Period.
Ortiz isn’t whining becuase the pitch was in, in fact, that’s his kitchen, and you’d be stupid to put on there. He whines (other than being a turd) becasue it’s UP and IN, which is wrong.
yeah, Spouklis has 2 singles in eight Plate Appearance against Joba—that’s a real representative stat.
Can’t have a big stat without a big sample size. I simply stated what’s there, I’m sorry you find fault in it.
BTW, Fredo, CB, anyone: who is setting up Mo and pitching the 8th inning next year? Lord, I hope it isn’t Edwar. Girardi is fixated with him.
Marte? Melancon? Humberto? (I know he’s been terrible in HI)
I guess Marte, no? Will he be better in that role than he was last year? I can’t believe I’m actually going to write this but I think I actually had more faith in Farnsworth last year than Marte in pitching the 8th inning.
Hank, you go girl.
Hank!!
Will stop playing with your baseball cards and take out da garbage!!!
You putz!!!
Jeter gets hit up and in 15 times a year. He takes it and goes to first. That’s the difference. No one aims for Ortiz’s head, Youkilis is a different story, but you just look at him and can’t help but want to land one on his face, perhaps knock some of the ugly off of him.
“Don’t worry yankee fans. It is an odd year, thus A-Rod will hit somewhere between 45-55 homeruns and 130-150 RBIs.”
People need to chill with this odd year stuff. You are just setting yourself up to be disappointed because enough will never be enough.
if nobody hasn’t said it yet let me be the first (didn’t read all post)I want David DeJesus playing centerfield for the Yankees…
Marte and Bruney will set up for Mo.
By June, Melancon will be in the mix. He’s that good.
That what makes a guy like Veras expendable.
The issue is, what can you get for him? If its Wiggington, I would think the Yankees would jump at that deal.
KS:
I’d guess a combination of Bruney and Marte, depending on the situation, who’s up, etc., to start the year w/ Melancon getting into the mix as the season progresses.
“who is setting up Mo and pitching the 8th inning next year?”
At the beginning of the year I think it will be a bit by committee. A mixture of Bruney, Marte and Veras – I think they will give Bruney the opportunity to be the main guy and see who performs best. They shouldn’t wear down Marte.
That said who ever is setting up at the beginning of the year is just keeping the seat warm for Melancon.
He’ll be setting up at some point in the season. He’s just too good to not emerge from the pack. I don’t think they’ll want him to take on the pressure of that role right away.
Paulie
November 19th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Ortiz isn’t whining becuase the pitch was in, in fact, that’s his kitchen, and you’d be stupid to put on there. He whines (other than being a turd) becasue it’s UP and IN, which is wrong.
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There’s nothing wrong with pitching up and in, especially when the batter’s hands and head are already in the strike zone. Batter’shaven’t had to se the inside pitches in years and don’t like it, because they don’t know how to get out of the way.
bruney and melancon will be the 8th inning guys
“Jeter gets hit up and in 15 times a year”
You’re confusing my support for suspensions for pitchers for defense of David Ortiz or Kevin Youkilis, which simply isn’t the case. I don’t care who it is, it’s wrong.
And Youkilis, like Jeter, walk into a ton of HBP because of the way they approach the plate on their downstep. Both, for lack of a better term, dive over to go the other way with the ball. It’s a good way to approach an AB, which is why they’re both so good, but it always results in a HBP on the arm or shoulder because the hitter is diving in.
I’m less supporting a player at all, much less David Ortiz or Kevin Youkilis, and more talking about pitchers in general who practice such a horrendous act of fear. If they could get them out, they’d pitch to them the right way. You don’t hit guys you can strike out. You hit guys you can’t. It’s a fear based action, and quite shameful.
There’s nothing wrong with pitching up and in/…
If you’re talking about the head, I can fully conclude that any and all conversations involving anything to do with baseball, which happen to include you in any way, can and should be ignored.
If you’re not talking about cheap head shots, then yes, I agree: There is nothing wrong with getting hit in hands or forearm. The plate belongs to the pitcher, and he should command it, but the head is completely and utterly off limits at all times.
I’d be fine with trading Veras for Wigs.
Getting anything for him would be a plus… sort of like getting a legitimate hitter or pitcher in exchange for a waiver wire pick in fantasy sports.
I think with Roger Clemens available and well rested, he could be had on the cheap as our fifth starter.
CC, AJ, CMW, Joba, Rocket.
think with Roger Clemens available and well rested..
Plus, he’s going to need the money after his wife takes half of everyhing he has for sleeping with the girl from Beverly Hillbilies.
Roger Clemens is innocent!!
“Plus, he’s going to need the money after his wife takes half of everyhing he has for sleeping with the girl from Beverly Hillbilies.”
Wadda shmuck!
I told dad, “dad, Roger is a shmuck for shacking up with middle school girl”
Hank hungry. Hank go to lunch now.
“You think the Mets would trade Beltran to us? Unless we are sending them Cano, Hughes and some other hot player, the answer would be No.”
Yes, something like that. Cano, Kennedy, and bullpen help. That should cover it.
“I’d be fine with trading Veras for Wigs.”
I wouldn’t just be fine with it, I’d be very happy.
I think just for the purpose of writing something.. Rotoworld(can see in the future) has J Edmonds signing with the Yankees for a 1 year contract for 8 mil
Wigs would be a great utility player
Joba Chamberlain should be the setup man for Mo..and his eventual successor. Joba is too much of an injury risk as a starter right now.
If the Yankees sign C.C. and one of Burnett/Lowe, my bet is Chamberlain goes to the Pen.
BTW, I like Wiggington and suggested him, too, at the Trading Deadline. But rather than deal a trading chip like Veras for a UP, why not see what Cody Ransom can do in that role? If he doesn’t show promise by end of June, trade for Wiggy.
“Joba Chamberlain should be the setup man for Mo..and his eventual successor. Joba is too much of an injury risk as a starter right now.
If the Yankees sign C.C. and one of Burnett/Lowe, my bet is Chamberlain goes to the Pen.”
First, Cashman has said Chamberlain will be a starter.
Second, starters are most always more valuable than closers. 150-200 good innings > 70+ great innings.
Using Joba in the pen would be an incredible waste of talent and would ignore the Yankees more pressing need of a good starting rotation.
“First, Cashman has said Chamberlain will be a starter.”
Squints:
Cashman also said a few years back that Bubba Crosby was his starting CFer.
I agree that ACE starters are most always more valuable than closers. But only if those starters can stay injury-free. I cite the examples of Mark Prior and Kerry Wood most recently. I’d rather have a healthy, lights out reliever for 70-75 innings than a starting pitcher targeted for `150-200 on the DL.
“I agree that ACE starters are most always more valuable than closers. But only if those starters can stay injury-free. I cite the examples of Mark Prior and Kerry Wood most recently. I’d rather have a healthy, lights out reliever for 70-75 innings than a starting pitcher targeted for `150-200 on the DL.”
In his first two years at the ML level, Joba has pitched 124.3 innings.
In his first two years at the ML level, Prior pitched 328 innings.
In his first two years at the ML level, Wood pitched 253.
The Yankees are clearly taking it lightly on Chamberlain to gradually break him in as a starter instead of dumping a big innings load on him right away. I expect him to do 140 this year and then in 2011 to be “let loose” and assume a “normal innings load.
I saw above that someone was talking about a Veras for Wiggington deal above. How about a Veras + Melky deal for DeJesus?
“I saw above that someone was talking about a Veras for Wiggington deal above. How about a Veras + Melky deal for DeJesus?”
Why would the Royals trade an outfielder for another outfielder when they already have a ton of guys in the outfield?
Unless they planned on trading another outfielder, of course.
Aside from what this could mean for the Yankees, I think this is hilarious news. One Yankee fan joked that MLBtraderumors.com should be called “MLBtraderumors Feat. Coco Crisp.” And now he has finally been traded! It’s also funny because now the RS are really down to their last few non-white players. So now MLBtraderumors.com should just be called “MLB Trade Rumors Feat. the last few Red Sox non-white players”
Don’t forget about Austin Jackson folks. The Yanks don’t need to make a long term upgrade in CF, though something short term might be beneficial. RF is a big concern to me, but once the starting pitching is settled they’ll be able to pursue other remedies from a position of strength.
Carlos Lee can really hit, but he almost has to DH. Matsui, Edwar and IPK for Lee and Wiggy?
“Carlos Lee can really hit, but he almost has to DH. Matsui, Edwar and IPK for Lee and Wiggy?”
I think it would definitely take more than that to get Lee and Wiggington.
I like Jackson a lot, but I’m still weary. After all, he’s only 4 months older than I am, and we’re already on the verge of calling him an organizational savior. I think he’ll do alright, but I want to see him for a full season at AAA and maybe get a cup of coffee before we’re counting on him.
No one has called him a savior. The organization doesn’t need one. He is, apprpriately viewed as the long term CF, but it’s certainly not a guarantee. I just don’t see any reason to complicate his development with a guy like Crisp or DeJesus. Now if Kemp were to be acquired we can introduce AJax to the joys of LF.
Yeah, the proposal was on the light side… but they are getting a lot of financial relief in the deal. Eventually the Yanks must add a significant bat.
“Now if Kemp were to be acquired we can introduce AJax to the joys of LF.”
That would be freaking wonderful, but I think if we were getting Kemp, we’d have to give up Ajax =(
I dont understand why you guys all think we need another outfielder to begin with. I think with Damon,Gardner, and the X-man we are in good shape. If We really want one I say make Damon the DH, Trade Matsui, DFA Melky, and Sign Manny to a four year deal.
Posada was right,,,joba isnt a long term starter!
put him in pen,,turn it into a 6 inning game, let him take reigns from sandman in a couple yrs..
get cc, then AJ,CMW then andy , moose..
That would be a complete waste of arguably the best pitching talent the Yankees have. Would you make Hughes or Kennedy a bullpen guy? Would you make David Price a bullpen guy? No. The only reason Rivera switched to the pen was because he couldn’t mix enough pitches to be successful in facing the lineup multiple times. Chamberlain has proven at every level now that he can do just that. Using Joba Chamberlain as a reliever is not a forward thinking or good long term strategy for the Yankees.
Posada is wrong Chamberlain has much more value as a starter and Moose is going to retire
CC
Peavy
Wang
AJ
Joba
Petitte has to Many issues
You know who else would make great closers? CC, Johan, Beckett, Lester (I could go on but I think you get my point).
I’d like the rotation to be:
CC
Wang
Burnett
Chamberlain
Hughes
Or flip flop Joba/Hughes.
Folks can keep joking about Abreu but next season when we don’t have his bat in the line-up or his arm in the outfield it will be the other teams that are laughing.
That’s wierd… usually when the Red Sox trade a minority they try to get back a white guy.
Wow how the “mighty” have fallen. Bye bye now Coco. Perhaps your arrogant batting face and mound charging scenarios will play well in the heartland.
DeJesus is a solid player but we already have one Johnny Damon. I’d much rather have Joey Gathright. He can bring speed that the Yankees have been missing for years.
Selfishly I would like to see Dejesus play for the bombers, I went to high school with him and played basketball with him growing up, kid has a nasty jump shoot. He’s a super nice guy, hard worker, and really is someone who deserves what he is getting in life.
PS pete I wouldnt really consider him a brooklynite, he was practically raised in manalapan, nj.
Earth to Pete, Earth to Pete – nobody thinks the yankees will get Texeira “on the cheap”. I don’t know where that idiocy was born but it is a fallacy, a strawman argument at best. Yes, every Yankee fan with a pulse wants the Yankees to use a portion of their league leading (and now luxury tax exempt) revenues to sign Mark Texeira AND CC Sabathia. They can afford it with no problem, and as such, should put their money to work for them.
However, there is no reason to believe he will not be expensive.
Oh and the Yankees COULD obtain any player in trade for a price.
But in Pete’s world he’s the smartest sports guy on the planet and even a contrary thought draws his ire and rebuke.