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Nick Swisher has shown he can play a lot of positions. He hopes to settle in at first base for the Yankees.
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Mark Feinsand of the Daily News will host a live chat over on his blog today at noon. So go ask him a few questions. My next live video chat will be coming up soon, definitely before the Winter Meetings.
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Sox trade Coco for Ramon Ramirez.
Good trade for the Royals. Ramirez is good but I seen better. BTW anyone think Alfredo Aceves is better off in the BP, that’s where he seems to be more useful w/ his stuff.
Is there a reason why the contract offer to Sabathia hasn’t been accepted yet? The longer it’s out there, is it only me sitting here thinking that the guy’s waiting for other offers to come in (which will probably not match the money offered by the Yankees) because he wants a reason to play elsewhere?
Anyone think that the Yanks could obtain Zito from SF with the Giants picking up some of the $100 mil left on the contact, a la the Rockies when they dealt Hampton to Atlanta? Young lefty in NY…just brain candy, this idea, along with seeing how available Andruw Jones would be for a year…
really?? By the way, When is Thanksgiving in the US? When is winter meeting?
In the bullpen as what? Setup guy? Long guy?
It would all depend on how often he can pitch.
I wouldn’t mind him in the long guy role if he can pitch more than once a week. His stuff seems back end of a rotation/long guy to me.
Has anyone seen the ESPN article Rob Neyer wrote about the Hobbitt winning the MVP? And you thought Yankee fans were complaining. His rant is that Mauer was the better choice. Sorry Rob, but Mauer’s 9 HRs just wasn’t getting it done.
I will love to have Alfredo Aceves or Giese for long man in the bullpen.
Why in the world would you want Zito or Jones? I think the Yankees are actually trying to make their team better
“Anyone think that the Yanks could obtain Zito from SF with the Giants picking up some of the $100 mil left on the contact, a la the Rockies when they dealt Hampton to Atlanta? Young lefty in NY…just brain candy, this idea, along with seeing how available Andruw Jones would be for a year…”
When I read posts like this, it makes me think that they are being written by Mets fans.
this was a good trade by the red sox.
they get a good young reliever who is under controll for years & don’t sacrifice a thing in cf while lowering payroll considerably.
“His rant is that Mauer was the better choice. Sorry Rob, but Mauer’s 9 HRs just wasn’t getting it done.”
Neyer is right. Mauer was the better player and should have won.
Mauer is well on his way to the Hall of Fame and is making a case to be arguably one of the greatest catchers ever given his offense and defense.
“I will love to have Alfredo Aceves or Giese for long man in the bullpen.”
Yeah that’s what he strikes me as in the ML level especially w/ his stuff he can be our Ramiro Mendoza.
Why shouldn’t CC see what’s out there? He’s a free agent.
That’s what free agents do…..search the marketplace.
Why would the Yankees want two guys, Zito and Jones, who are among the most unproductive players (given their contracts) in the game?
They are just names at this point in their careers. They aren’t productive.
The Yankees are trying to get away from non-productive name players. Not add to them.
Folks just need to be patient and not in such a panic.
Hot Stove talk is just starting. There is no reason to panic about anything right now.
this frees up the royals to deal dejesus or tehan.
i’d love to see dejesus put in center, then shift over to left once the jackson kid is ready. deal melky for some pitching prospects.
No. No. No. I won’t touch Zito under any situation.
When are said Winter meetings again?
I actually think that’s a bad trade for the Red Sox.
Given the way Ellsbury dipped last year, they have no safety net in the OF right now.
They have to hope Ellsbury becomes the player they think he can now because they don’t have Coco available to play if he slumps again next year.
Also, since Drew is hurt every year, they had a nice rotation going with Crisp, Ellsbury, Manny/Bay and Drew. Now, its shortened by one guy.
Ramirez is ok, nothing special. Personally, I think Nunez has the better arm out of the Non-Soria guys in the Royals bullpen.
If the Royals picked up Coco, they may have 1 or 2 CFers they may be intersted in moving.
I’m guessing they’ll try to move Guillen and put DeJesus in left because of contract but DeJesus would look pretty good roaming CF in the new Stadium.
DeJesus is a bad CF. That’s why the Royals moved him to left.
Gets bad jumps and really struggles defensively in center.
The Royals felt he took his struggles in center to the plate with him.
When they moved him to left, he hit much better and became a better all around player.
Is there any reason for the Yankees to wait on announcing a CC deal?
i.e. – Do they want to try to ink AJ and CC simultaneously so there final contract to CC will not impact the $$ for AJ?
Are there any considerations of signing a player to a contract vis a vis the 40 man and rule 5?
Might be a nice sight for a couple of new toys to have a joint press conference a la the Celtics with Garnett, Allen and Pierce last year. (maybe that is a good omen)
“this frees up the royals to deal dejesus or tehan.”
I like dejesus as a player – but he’s simply not a CF. He doesn’t have the range to play there and was pretty awful in CF for the royals.
There’s a reason why they felt they had to trade a young, effective, cost controlled arm for an older player on the last year of his contract.
For a team like the royals losing an arm like Ramirez isn’t optimal.
They only made that trade because they felt their need for a CF was that great. Dejesus simply isn’t a CF.
Ironically, Coco would be a perfect fit to play CF for the yanks…
i see a trade with the kc happening.
no way the yankees go with melky/gardner in cf.
Cubs are all over Teahen, that deal will probably happen now.
“I actually think that’s a bad trade for the Red Sox.”
Coco played well for the Sox last year (though his defense was surprisingly not as good as usual…)
I think this deal really speaks to the big hole the sox have in their pen.
It’s their biggest weakness. Ramirez will help – he’s better than DeCalarmen, Aardsma, etc.
is dejesus really that bad in cf??????
CB-
Does CoCo get flipped to the Yanks?
Wow, I guess no one has ever heard of two old sayings, “Sometimes a change of scenery helps” or “if a player shows that he has done it before, it means he can simply do it”?
Barry Zito turns 30 in May (hardly over-the-hill), is a lefty, and is a former CY Young award winner with American League success, all the while remaining healthy – an advantage not matched by a guy set to earn $15 million a year named AJ Burnett.
Sure, he has totally sucked for San Francisco, but if a chunk of money was taken on by the Giants, you’d just point to the last two season and wholeheartedly say it would by no means be worth a chance? I think it would be just as much of a risk with Burnett, just an opinion.
Andruw Jones has sucked for 2 or so seasons, but the guy has talent. He’d be available for next to nothing, or should be, and you’d only have a one year committment. One year. Is it that crazy to think that Andruw Jones for one year would not be worth it? What, is he going to impede Melky’s growth?
i don’t see enough offensive stats for pedroia to be the mvp. quentin and dye both had better years on a playoff team.longoria,pena,morneau, mauer and even vlad had better offensive years. lots of players had better years on non playoff teams.
maybe because he’s so athletically challenged so little production from pedroia is graded on a curve. i would give him the most valuable overachiever award, but mvp is really kind of silly.
it’ll be interesting to see how pedroia hits next year with the league paying attention to him as the hitter that they don’t want to beat them. being the main man is very different than being a complimentary player.
if pedroia is the best player the red sox have to offer over the next 5 years, they’ll be doing the yankees a favor.
I will miss Coco. In the second half of last season he actually did quite well at the plate after struggling last year, and he was an excellent fielder.
um because ther is no deal yet? just an offer.
jason November 19th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Is there any reason for the Yankees to wait on announcing a CC deal?
i.e. – Do they want to try to ink AJ and CC simultaneously so there final contract to CC will not impact the $$ for AJ?
Are there any considerations of signing a player to a contract vis a vis the 40 man and rule 5?
Might be a nice sight for a couple of new toys to have a joint press conference a la the Celtics with Garnett, Allen and Pierce last year. (maybe that is a good omen)
from last thread, carried over:
“So the Peavy talks are still on and they don’t need Hughes? Sign me up.â€
i would figure the trade would center around AJackson, maybe a catcher or a Brad Suttle-type, two high upside arms (think two of Betances, McAllister, Brackman, etc) and maybe a bullpen guy who can step in and maybe close for them going forward?
they have the weapons to do it…
but then if you’re Cashman, would you rather have the upside of Hughes now and for the next couple years as he develops, or give up Hughes and take a gamble on one of the other lower minor league arms who have a much higher overall ceiling than Hughes (like Brackman or Betances) but come with more risk for success, and may not be ready for 2-3-4 years yet.
The Giants aren’t taking on money to trade Barry Zito to the Yankees.
Name me the last team that took on money when they traded a player to the Yankees.
Fans love to think teams will eat money to make deals. Very, very few of them do and none of them do that owe the kind of money the Giants owe Zito.
Simply put, Jones may have been the worse everyday player in baseball last year. He’s 30 pounds overweight, has a ton of off field issues, and isn’t close to being the player he once was.
Its not a question of “change of scenery”. Its about improving your team.
Neither Zito nor Jones improves the Yankees. That’s why they have no interest in either guy.
“According to Richard Justice of the Houston Chronicle, the Astros “seem likely to trade” closer Jose Valverde and third baseman Ty Wigginton in the next few weeks due to payroll concerns. Both players are arbitration-eligible, a year away from free agency. The Astros stand to save $10-15MM if they move both.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor.....20182.html
I’d like Wiggy. I’m interested.
“I will miss Coco.”
I won’t. Never liked cereal boy.
“Anyone think that the Yanks could obtain Zito from SF with the Giants picking up some of the $100 mil left on the contact, a la the Rockies when they dealt Hampton to Atlanta? Young lefty in NY…just brain candy, this idea”
brain candy? Rat poison, is more like it.
Randy: I am almost 100% certain that in the history of the English language, the phrase: “if a player shows that he has done it before, it means he can simply do it†has never been considered an old saying, an idiom, or anything other than something you just pulled out of your head.
I’ll let the others destroy the Zito argument, but lets just get this clear now.
“Name me the last team that took on money when they traded a player to the Yankees.”
Texas says hi.
“Ironically, Coco would be a perfect fit to play CF for the yanks… ”
Yeah he would. Unfortunately I doubt the Royals will trade him if they really need a CF that badly. Crisp had a pretty good season in 2008 but he was awful in 2006 and 2007. Its odd how much his offense suffered when he was traded to Boston; he was a much better player with Cleveland.
“brain candy? Rat poison, is more like it.”
I was gonna say spiked coffee.
I don’t think Peavy is on the table for the Yankees unless they get shut out of CC, AJ and/or Lowe.
If they whiff on all three, perhaps they take another look at Peavy.
Absent that, I don’t see them doing it because it goes against what Cashman wants to do. Which is, trade players AND pay big money for a pitcher.
Its much easier for the Yankees to sign 2 FA pitchers than have to talk Peavy into waiving his no trade. They would have to trade a bounty of prospects and re-do his deal. Which, his agent said is a pre-requisite for him to waive his no trade to a team not on his approved list.
“Neither Zito nor Jones improves the Yankees. That’s why they have no interest in either guy.”
You mentioned this, but it bares repeating – they also both suck!! Zito goes from the tougher AL to the easier NL and stinks up the joint. How does a pitcher do that? That’s some sort of magic trick. AJ is simply done. Everyone says that there’s just nothing there anymore. No way the Yankees should even sneeze in the direction of these guys.
Why would anyone want Andruw Jones or Barry Zito? They are overpaid and not very good.
Ty Wiggington on the other hand.. he would improve the bench a LOT.
“is dejesus really that bad in cf??????”
Yes. He really is. SJ assesment on DeJesus’s season at the plate and in the field is spot on.
He was really having a rough season at the plate and then turned it around.
He was really terrible in CF this past season.
To put some numbers on it -
DeJesus played 500 innings in CF – not a small sample. That was about half his time.
In those 500 innings DeJesus was around 12-13 runs worse than a league average CF. That’s remarkable for him to have been so bad in only half a season.
If the Royals had kept DeJesus in CF all year he was headed towards being around 28 runs worse than an average CF. That would have made him amongst the worst defensive CF in the league – worse than Rick Ankiel.
On the flip side DeJesus was a great LF. Great. He was around 14 runs better than a league average LF. If he had played a full season of LF he was on pace to be 30 runs better than a league average LF – that would have made him the second best LF in the game defensively.
Forget the exact numbers here but you get the gist. I just found this amazing. Dejesus was playing on pace to be 60 defensive runs better as a LF than as a CF.
Clearly there is something way past physical ability going on here for him to be performing so much vastly better in LF than CF. I’d guess that he really hated playing CF and it was becoming a big problem in his game as a hole.
Swisher basically said the same thing – he’s not really a CF but was forced to play there. He felt he was doing an inadequate job and that affected him at the plate.
Zito? Barf
**Mike A.
November 19th, 2008 at 10:40 am
“Name me the last team that took on money when they traded a player to the Yankees.â€
Texas says hi.
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What I love about this blog ^^^ somebody always has an answer at the ready!
“I don’t think Peavy is on the table for the Yankees unless they get shut out of CC, AJ and/or Lowe.”
Man, I wish people would stop talking about Peavy. It’s almost like they think that if they mention him enough, it will all of a sudden change the fact that the guy doesn’t want to pitch here. I don’t understand why people don’t get that. People talk about CC wanting to pitch in CA, meanwhile, we’ve never actually heard CC say this. On the flip side, this Peavy coward comes out and says that he’s too chicken to pitch in the AL or for the Yankees and people are still lusting over him. Very hard to understand.
randy,
Good to see you’re back. I had a question I wanted to ask you in particular given your experience as a catcher.
What are your thought on Burnett vs. Lowe. I think this is a very, very difficult decision for the team.
Going after CC is a slam dunk. What to do after that is very difficult. Burnett and Lowe have near opposite pluses/ minuses in my mind (durable vs. not durable; great stuff vs. pitchability, etc.).
Thoughts?
Peavy isnt coming here. Ken Rosenthal just wants readers.
The Curious Case of CC Sabathia… does he take the money or look for lifestyle. I am sure we will find out within the next two weeks.
“Man, I wish people would stop talking about Peavy. It’s almost like they think that if they mention him enough, it will all of a sudden change the fact that the guy doesn’t want to pitch here.”
yeah, i dont understand why anyone would still talk about Peavy when names in the industry, like Rosenthal, just happen to continue to link the Yankees and Cashman to Towers and the Pads even though fans on the lohud blog dont like Peavy because he pitched in the NL.
just doesnt make any sense.
” I am almost 100% certain that in the history of the English language, the phrase: “if a player shows that he has done it before, it means he can simply do it†has never been considered an old saying, an idiom, or anything other than something you just pulled out of your head.”
frits-
translation please.
“Does CoCo get flipped to the Yanks?”
Buddy,
No i don’t see it. The royals have been trying to address their CF issue for quite a while. I think part of the value of having Coco there is that it allows Dejesus to be a better player.
if the yankees could just sign 3 pitchers starting with sabathia and 2 others and trade for a good cf they should be fine.
although i do like the idea of signing tex and maybe trading nady,swisher & a prospect or two or a reliever for a cf.
the two things that concern me is protection in front of arod & obp in cf.
“if a player shows that he has done it before, it means he can simply do itâ€
is not an “old saying”.
Not to mention Peavy doesn’t want to come to AL and Yankees when his ERA against AL Teams is closer to 4.
Jay – from my questions above I was not stating the Yankees had a deal. It was merely a question as to whether there would be any potential benefit to the Yankees to time and announcement and a signing if that is what comes to pass.
Coco played very well the second half of the season and in the playoffs. I am actually a bit surprised the the Red Sox got back only a middle reliever for him.
According to Olney, the Pads-Braves talks for Peavy are back on and he believes they will strike a deal in the next few days.
The Braves are freaked out they will get shut out of Lowe and Burnett since their offers are approaching 5 years. That means, its either Peavy or Oliver Perez for them.
I don’t blame them for being freaked! lol
Rosenthal did his job for Towers. Talked up the Yankees so the Braves come back to the table with the Pads.
Watching all this stuff is like doing a puzzle. You put out the pieces, place them side by side, and it all comes together.
I suspect we will hear the Dodgers will make an offer to CC in the next couple of days. That should stoke things up on that front.
“The Curious Case of CC Sabathia… does he take the money or look for lifestyle. I am sure we will find out within the next two weeks.”
It depends on what the CA teams do. If they come in at 120mil, CC might leave 20mil on the table and sign with a CA team. What works in our favor is that we will probably bump our offer up to 150mil if we think the CA teams are dealin’. I think it will be harder for him to leave 30 on the table than 20. Believe it or not, 10mil makes a difference.
Truth be told, I don’t see how LAA or SF can even come in at 120. If LAA is serious about getting Tex, how are they going to spend 200mil on Tex and CC? SF might be scared away from making a big deal after that Zito nightmare. LAD’s issue is Manny. They need to bring back Manny. Can they sign Manny and CC? That’s a lot of cash for them to spend. I think that for CC, we really are the only game in town.
Only game in town? haha you have high hopes.
. Interesting comment from Jon Heyman of SI today:
“ The Yankees are also checking in on Teixeira, even after acquiring first baseman Nick Swisher in a trade. However, the guess here is that the Yankees are one team that may actually prove to prefer Ramirez to Teixeira after they’re done reworking their pitching rotation. Besides the obvious benefit of Ramirez requiring a shorter deal than Teixeira, the Yankees probably wouldn’t mind tweaking the rival Red Sox, either.â€
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....osts/24801
in all honesty, i think that the issue will be more about how much money would be left on the table if he took a lesser deal. it would devalue the pitching market substantially from a free agent standpoint. the union would go bats**t crazy if someone who could really aid their cause of increasing salaries left something like 15 – 20 mill out there.
ultimately, i think sabathia will get a higher deal than the reported 140. i think a mutual option for another year might be put into the deal too.
“Not to mention Peavy doesn’t want to come to AL and Yankees when his ERA against AL Teams is closer to 4.”
in interleague play, Peavy has a 3.29 ERA, which, yes, is closer to a 4.00 ERA when compared to his career ERA of 3.25.
“According to Olney, the Pads-Braves talks for Peavy are back on and he believes they will strike a deal in the next few days.”
Up to know that situation have been very analagous to the Santana trade last year with Towers playing Smith and Wren playing Cashman. Right down to the no trade clauses complicating the deal and the similarities between Tommy Hanson and Phil Hughes.
It’ll be very interesting to see how this plays out – it makes too much sense for this deal not to happen between the Pads and the Braves.
I can’t imagine the Braves will ever agree to putting Heyward in the deal. Will they include Hanson? Will Flowers play in the AFL be enough to satisfy the Pads so hanson doesn’t need to be included? With McCann behind the plate the Braves are eventually going to trade Flowers. Is this the deal?
yeah, i dont understand why anyone would still talk about Peavy when names in the industry, like Rosenthal, just happen to continue to link the Yankees and Cashman to Towers and the Pads even though fans on the lohud blog dont like Peavy because he pitched in the NL.
just doesnt make any sense.
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You think that’s the reason some of us don’t like Peavy? Because he pitched in the NL.
Oh there’s more
Either Teahan, DeJesus, or Gathright becomes expendable in K.C. Let’s see who the takers are.
“Only game in town? haha you have high hopes.”
I should have written “the only money game in town”.
“Ramirez is ok, nothing special. Personally, I think Nunez has the better arm out of the Non-Soria guys in the Royals bullpen.”
You think, huh? Respectfully disagree. Nunez doesn’t strike guys out and seems a lot more hittable than Ramirez. I thought he was clearly the best non-Soria arm of the lot. Only issue with Ramirez is walks. A little too many. He’s not the best there is out there by a long shot, but I’d take him over a Veras or an Edwar if given the chance.
I think Crisp would be a great fit on the Yanks. I’d trade KC Gardner or Melky, and maybe a little something else for him. Crisp could be a Paul Blair type player.
I don’t know where I heard that number, but I am sure it’s much closer to 4. However, there must be some elements in that stats(closer to 4) I don’t remember.
“You think that’s the reason some of us don’t like Peavy? Because he pitched in the NL. Oh there’s more”
does he take lollipops from babies in strollers? or he pushes the ‘door close’ button even though he sees someone trying to catch the same elevator he’s on?
“I think Crisp would be a great fit on the Yanks. I’d trade KC Gardner or Melky, and maybe a little something else for him. Crisp could be a Paul Blair type player.”
And why would KC do that deal? They already have two many outfielders. We’re going to send them two more?
cb-
being in business in these historically difficult times suddenly made trying to understand the financial system more critical than trying to convince nick from sf that livan hernadez was a valuable pitcher( not that that wasn’t entertaining because it was).
i don’t know what to think of lowe or burnett because each comes with upside and downside. lowe fits in as a reliable pitcher who provides innings and is playoff tested, but he has a lot of mileage on him.burnett has nasty stuff, but the injury potential is risky. i’m not sure how much he has upstairs and in new york intelligence helps. randy johnson’s demeanor didn’t fit in well in new york. i’m not sure burnett would adapt well to the new york glare which wouldn’t faze lowe with his boston experience.
i wonder how much money teams really have right now. 2008 was fine, but things have changed since the season ended.income in 2009 may be very different . as in other businesses, isn’t this a time to be cash rich? wouldn’t it be better for the yankee to be very careful about spending money until they see how the financial crisis affects major league baseball?
“I can’t imagine the Braves will ever agree to putting Heyward in the deal. Will they include Hanson?”
I wonder whether including Schafer (sp?) in the deal along with Escobar and Morton doesn’t get it done. I know Schafer had the PED issue last year, but he’s still pretty highly thought of and had a nice season upon returning in AA ball.
KC will trade an OF, Teahen to the Cubs.
The Yankees (not we), could send them Melky OR Gardner and some relief pitching. They need pitching, and Melky OR Gardner are cheap. Just a thought.
“I thought he was clearly the best non-Soria arm of the lot. Only issue with Ramirez is walks. A little too many. ”
Fredo,
We’ve had this conversation a couple of times – about the potential trade value of some of the yankees middle relievers.
I think the Ramirez-Crisp deal is a pretty good example of the kind of deal that I’ve been referring to in the past.
This deal also shows that if the Yankees put Veras out on the market they’d likely get a useful piece back.
Veras and Ramirez are similar and if you wanted to pick one over the other so be it. Veras does have much better stuff – but he’s also less consistent. Those guys are kind of wash (though Veras does have more upside…)
If the Royals could get an above average everyday player for Ramirez the yankees should be able to get something analagous back for Veras and to a lesser degree Ramirez.
The CF market is very slim this off season. And the Royals were still able to get back a CF.
Package Veras and Ramirez together and the return you could get back might become interesting.
are the yankees worried that if they go after tex the angels will go after cc?
tex just makes so much sense for the yankees.you get a great defense,a high obp,protection for arod.
the problem if we get tex is what do we do with swisher.trade nady and or swisher,matsui,damon?
how about signing tex,trade one or two of nady,swisher,matsui with a prospect or two for a cf.
one of nady/swisher in rf & one of nady/swisher.matsui for dh depending on who stays.
can you imagine a lineup of
damon
jeter
tex
arod
matsui/dh
posada
swisher/rf
cano
whoever the cf is
with a rotation of
sabathia
wang
burnett
lowe/mussina/pettitte/peavey
joba
with a ton of debth ready and or near ready?
Wiggy and Catalanotto are two of my favorite role players in all of baseball. They can play multiple positions, are more than adequate offensively and defensively and by all reports are good “team” guys. Adding either one would be great and not only for the bench. Matsui, Posada, Damon all need time off maybe once a week. I could see Wiggy starting almost half the time.
Gotta get over the infatuation with DeJesus. I think Gardner will be better over the next four years. He’s just an ordinary kind of guy.
I too would love to see some decisions made. No question Sabathia is waiting to see how other teams respond to the Yanks offer, why wouldn’t he? Once he makes his decision I think things will move pretty quickly on AJ, Mussina and Pettite.
I actually think Andruw Jones might be trying to have a career-saving situation and if so he could be a fine player in 2009. Problem is he makes $ 18 M this year. They’d have to incluide Kershaw, Loney, Etheir or Kemp to get me interested in taking that risk even if it is just $$$.
“I wonder whether including Schafer (sp?) in the deal along with Escobar and Morton doesn’t get it done.”
Good point. The Braves had pulled Schafer out of that deal as well and made him untouchable.
That makes a lot of sense. Not sure how adamant the Pads are about getting pitching back – I guess they’ll have to be flexible on Hanson. If I were the Braves I wouldn’t trade him.
They could put Schafer into the deal and pull Gorkys Hernandez (who I get the sense is another one of those brave prospects who turns out to all athletic potential…) and then add a couple of the lower end pitching prospects.
Escobar and Schafer and two other players – that starts to look pretty fair for Peavy.
The deal the braves had been offering was ridiculous. Wren was really assuming Towers was waiting to be robbed.
i’d take andrew jones and pay the full 18 million for him if the dodgers sen’t me one of kershaw,kemp,loney & i would send them a few players.
we take kemp,jones and send them kennedy & matsui.dh jones & if he stinks,bench him,swish at fb,nady in right,kemp in cf.
i would rather sign tex though & still do the above deal.
now you have tex at first base and kemp in cf.we take on a lot of payroll but only for a year.
nady,jones,damon,matsui off the books in one year or we can trade a few of them to restock the farm system.
CB
November 19th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Package Veras and Ramirez together and the return you could get back might become interesting.
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Do you think Milwaukee would be interested in adding Ramirez and Veras to a good young minor league pitcher (Wright or Kroenke) and Russo for Hart and a minor league infielder?