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It’s official: Mussina has retired

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 20, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This release from the Yankees:

Five-time All-Star Mike Mussina today announced his retirement from Baseball. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Mussina becomes the first pitcher to retire immediately following a 20-win season since Hall of Famer Sandy Koufax exited the game following his 27-9 campaign in 1966.

Mussina, 39, was a member of the Yankees pitching staff from 2001-08, compiling a record of 123-72 with a 3.88 ERA. Since signing with the Yankees as a free agent prior to the 2001 season, no other American League pitcher recorded more wins than Mussina. He struck out 1,278 batters in pinstripes, ranking sixth on the club’s all-time list. His 72 wins at Yankee Stadium were the third-most since 1976 when the facility was remodeled, behind Ron Guidry (99) and Andy Pettitte (95).

With a 123-72 record, he finished 51 games over .500 with the Yankees while going 66 games over .500 with Baltimore (147-81). According to Elias, he joins Randy Johnson as the only pitchers since 1900 to own a career record of at least 50 games over .500 with two different teams (Johnson was 130-74 with Seattle, 56 games over, and 118-62 with Arizona, 56 games over).

Mussina reached the 20-win plateau for the first time in his career in 2008, going 20-9 with a 3.37 ERA in 34 starts for the Yankees. At age 39, he became the oldest pitcher in Baseball history to record 20 wins in a season for the first time in his career, passing Jamie Moyer (20 wins in 2001 at age 38). He also became the Yankees’ first 20-game winner with an ERA lower than 3.40 since Ron Guidry went 22-6 with a 3.27 ERA in 1985.

In addition, Mussina earned his seventh career Rawlings Gold Glove Award in 2008 (also 1996-99, 2001 and 2003).

Mussina pitched 18 years in the Majors from 1991-2008, making 536 combined starts (537 appearances) with the New York Yankees and Baltimore Orioles and posting a 270-153 record with a 3.68 ERA and 2,813 strikeouts. Only three pitchers recorded more wins than Mussina during his time in the Major Leagues. He reached 15 wins in a season 11 times, including a career-high 20 victories in 2008, and placed in the top five in Cy Young Award voting six times in his career.

Pitching his entire career in the American League East Division, Mussina finished tied with Hall of Famer Burleigh Grimes for 32nd place on Baseball’s all-time wins list after surpassing Jack Morris (254), Jim McCormick (265), Gus Weyhing (265), as well as Hall of Famers Bob Gibson (251), Carl Hubbell (253), Red Faber (254), Ted Lyons (260), Bob Feller (266), Eppa Rixey (266) and Jim Palmer (268) in the 2008 season.

Mussina’s .638 career winning percentage is sixth-best all-time among Major Leaguers with at least 500 career starts and ranked second among active pitchers (Randy Johnson-.648), according to the Elias Sports Bureau. His 2,813 strikeouts rank 19th on Baseball’s all-time list.

A native of Montoursville, Pa., Mussina retired as one of just 18 pitchers in Major League history to own a career record of at least 115 games over .500 (270-153). According to the Elias Sports Bureau, twelve of those pitchers are currently in the Hall of Fame, five are not eligible yet (Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez and Mussina) and one only pitched in nine seasons (Bob Caruthers).

He is the only American League pitcher to record 17 consecutive seasons of 10-or-more wins (1992-2008) and only Walter Johnson (18) has more total seasons of double-digits wins than Mussina all-time among AL hurlers. According to Elias, only five other Major League pitchers have compiled a stretch of 17 straight seasons with at least 10 wins: Greg Maddux (20 yrs., 1988-2007), Cy Young (19, 1891-1909), Steve Carlton (18, 1967-84), Don Sutton (17, 1966-82) and Warren Spahn (17, 1947-63). Also according to Elias, Mussina is the only pitcher in AL history to make at least 24 starts in 17 consecutive seasons (1992-2008).

A master of control, Mussina walked only 785 batters in 3,562.2 career innings, averaging 1.98 walks/9.0IP. According to Elias, he is one of just three pitchers in AL history to toss at least 3,000.0 innings while holding opponents to fewer than
2.0 walks/9.0IP, joining Jack Quinn (1.96) and Cy Young (1.11).

Though he never won a World Series title, Mussina pitched in 23 playoff games (21 starts), going 7-8 with a 3.42 ERA. He twice appeared in the Fall Classic – both with the Yankees – in 2001 vs. Arizona and 2003 vs. Florida.

Originally drafted by Baltimore in the first round (20th overall) of the 1990 First-Year Player Draft, Mussina ranks second all-time among Orioles’ pitchers in strikeouts (1,535) and winning percentage (.645, 147-81), third in wins (147), fifth in games started (288) and sixth in innings pitched (2,009.2). His 218 strikeouts in 1997 established a new club record that was later broken by Erik Bedard in 2007 (221).

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117 Responses to “It’s official: Mussina has retired”

  1. Stephen November 20th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    One last time:

    MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!

  2. tom November 20th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    gonna miss you moose.

  3. Bad Scooter November 20th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    HOFer. Did you see the names in that release? Plus he’s 100+ games over .500 in his career and all those guys are in the HOF.

  4. mel November 20th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    That’s a long, impressive career and some great company.

    Good luck to the Moose and his family.

  5. Squints November 20th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    My hat’s off to you, Moose. Thanks for a great career.

  6. Gary November 20th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    He’ll be back in spring training as an instructor to pass on his wisdom and knowledge.

  7. E-Man November 20th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Thanks for everything Moose.

    You threw a great game especially against the Red Sox.

  8. Tom November 20th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    I think of Mike Mussina, I even think of Old Mike Mussina and the championship we never found, I think of Mike Mussina, I think of Mike Mussina.

    /Jack Kerouac’d

  9. Broseph (Brightside '09: Giambi won't bat 5th!) November 20th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Awesome.

  10. Phil November 20th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    It was a treat to watch him screw with hitters.

  11. Yewnork November 20th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    “His 72 wins at Yankee Stadium were the third-most since 1976 when the facility was remodeled, behind Ron Guidry (99) and Andy Pettitte (95).”

    When I read that the first thing that came to my mind was that Andy was going to pass Gator next year. Only moments later did I realize they were moving into that other stadium. That is truly the first time that I realized that they will never play another game at Yankee Stadium.

    As for the Moose, he had a helluva career. He truly deserves the Hall of Fame.

  12. S.o.S. November 20th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    from a previous post.

    Food for thought on these cant miss free agents. We had everyone up in arms for not getting Santana last year. We probably will have the same reaction if we dont get C.C. or Teix.

    Santana-missed the playoffs
    C.C.-Out in the first round
    Teix-Out in the first round

    All im saying is they arent the answers to us winning #27. Just a part of the puzzle. The 90’s teams didnt have one player carrying them. It was a team effort.

  13. vin November 20th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    “Mussina’s .638 career winning percentage is sixth-best all-time among Major Leaguers with at least 500 career starts and ranked second among active pitchers (Randy Johnson-.648), according to the Elias Sports Bureau.”

    I think this will be the most compelling case for his getting into the HOF. The goal of any starting pitcher is to give his team the chance to win… and he did a pretty good job of that. Of course those numbers are affected by other factors (quality of his team, bullpen, etc.), but at some point the voters are going to have to recognize his consistency.

  14. vin November 20th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    SoS, are you saying Cash should get Hamels? j/k… you make a good, and often forgotten point.

  15. jay destro November 20th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    dude is gonna be missed.

  16. jessica(Let's Go Yankees) November 20th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    We are going to miss you, Moose.

  17. Jeremy November 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Moose,

    Thanks for being just about the only FA pitcher signing who was actually worth his salary.

    Thanks for taking a two-year deal rather than threatening to walk out on the Yankees or pulling some other stunt.

    Thanks for accepting a lot of bad luck (coming so close to a perfect game, a World Series ring, a Cy Young, and multiple 20-win seasons, but losing on out on them mostly due to factors outside of your control) and not whining about it.

    Thanks for announcing your retirement promptly and humbly, rather than stringing the team and its fans along.

    Thanks for consistently great pitching performances that should get you into the HOF.

    It’s been a great ride.

  18. trisha November 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    I still believe Moose is coming back, because I feel it in my gut along with my acid indigestion.

  19. S.o.S. November 20th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    vin,
    Yeah. My points are often forgotten. But more so ignored. lol

    If and when Mussina makes the h.o.f. I want his picture to be of one after an error was made. That would be truely hillarious.

  20. Joe from Long Island November 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    Great column by Tyler Kepner in the Times, and by Pete in his post before this. When you look at his career, and the names he passed, and that the level of competetion he faced in the AL East, and the steroid era…I don’t think there can be any doubt that he belongs in the Hall.

    I’m sorry that I will not have another chance to see him pitch (except on Yankee Classics).

  21. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    “I still believe Moose is coming back, because I feel it in my gut along with my acid indigestion.”

    Can’t see it Trisha. Not his style. He’s not a Favre-like diva. He says he’s gone and nothing in his personality suggest we shouldn’t believe it 100%.

  22. S.o.S. November 20th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Does Moose read this blog like Cash?

  23. EDUB November 20th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Moose was my guy since day 1. He was a lot like me when I used to pitch. Tried to out-think the hitters with a lot of pitch variety rather than just overpower people. I believe Pete that he probably wants to lay low and be with the family right now but it would be great if he could come in and teach as a guest instructor during ST. A lot of the kids could really use his insight into the game.

  24. SJ44 November 20th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    What a difference a year makes.

    A year ago at this time, a majority of Yankee fans wanted Moose out the door.

    Didn’t want him “standing in the way” of the “young guns”.

    Even the team themselves thought Moose would be the guy bounced out of the rotation for Joba when they transitioned him into the rotation.

    Now, everybody wants him back.

    Just goes to show you that you can play with stats, numbers, projections, and make all the predictions you want.

    You just never know what’s going to happen from year to year. That’s why they play the games.

    Who would have thought Moose would put together this kind of season in his last year? I don’t even think Moose did.

    He’s going out the best way possible. On top.

    Very few athletes get to do that.

    As far as HOF talk, its really simple for me. If Schilling gets in, Moose should get in.

    They have had almost identical careers as pitchers. Can’t put one in without the other.

  25. S.o.S. November 20th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Fredo,
    Read someones post in another thread that his brother said his elbow was hurting in the end of the year. If thats the case, i wouldnt expect him to do a Clemens on us. Thats in addition to what you stated.

  26. mel November 20th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Fredo,

    lol. That’s not Trisha.

  27. Joe I November 20th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    This from the Associated Press…
    NEW YORK (AP) – MLB owners approve shift of control of New York Yankees from George Steinbrenner to son Hal.

  28. jake November 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    trisha
    November 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
    “I still believe Moose is coming back, because I feel it in my gut along with my acid indigestion.”

    And we all know that the Yankee front office and Moose make their decisions based on what trisha feels in her gut!! :)

  29. S.o.S. November 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Good point SJ. He even made anti mussina dissapear.

    As far as if Shilling gets in so does Moose. I hope they dont judge the tie breaker on World Series wins. Marino could have ended up the best qb ever. But most think Montana jumps him because of the rings.

  30. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    “Fredo,

    lol. That’s not Trisha.”

    Should have caught that Mel. Trisha usually adds something extra to her handle.

  31. gayle November 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    from previous post

    J2–

    The name of the book is Living on the Black and as I said it is totally worth it.

    When it comes out in paperback and I am sure it will a new epiloge certainly will be needed.

  32. Chris NY November 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    I was one of the many (most) that thought Moose was finished after his dreadful 2007 season and wanted him to retire then and save the Yankees $$$ and a roster spot. Couldn’t have been happier to have been wrong. Would have been great to see a couple more years like last year, and a WS ring for a guy who deserves (but doesn’t need) one. But you can’t argue with the guy’s reasoning. Way to go out, Moose.

  33. sunny615 November 20th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Congratulations Moose. I wish you the best in your future endeavors and hope you enjoy your family. Thank you for everything that you’ve given to this team and we as fans appreciate everything you have done.

    Best wishes.

  34. Chris NY November 20th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    one of the stats I thought was the most interesting was this one:

    “A master of control, Mussina walked only 785 batters in 3,562.2 career innings, averaging 1.98 walks/9.0IP. According to Elias, he is one of just three pitchers in AL history to toss at least 3,000.0 innings while holding opponents to fewer than
    2.0 walks/9.0IP, joining Jack Quinn (1.96) and Cy Young (1.11).”

    Pretty good company.

  35. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers November 20th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Thanks for the memories Moose!

  36. vin November 20th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Looks like the Mets bullpen may get a little weaker (or stronger based on how he pitched in ’08)…

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3714657

    Who had any idea he was already 30? Time flies.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=5410

  37. Jeremy November 20th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    S.o.S.,

    Some of the players you list actually do a good job of identifying their teams’ glaring failures.

    Santana and Sabathia were everything the Mets and Brewers could have hoped for, bona fide aces who gave their teams a good chance to win every time they started. But the Mets’ pen reliably blew Santana’s leads, and the Brewers had to work Sabathia so hard to compensate for the team’s other weaknesses that he likely had nothing left in the playoffs.

    At least the Brewers could reasonably say that if they didn’t have Sabathia, they wouldn’t have made the playoffs at all. For a team like Milwaukee, which has had a playoff drought we Yankee fans can’t fathom, just making it to the postseason was a massive accomplishment.

    Teixeira was a beast for the Angels both in the stretch and in the playoffs. He was also a pure upgrade for 2008; the Angels sacrificed nothing but their previous first baseman to get him. The Angels had no glaring weaknesses going into the playoffs and acquired Teixeira simply to get a big bat, which he gave them.

    The Yankees have made no secret that Sabathia is a must-have acquisition. Simply put, the Yankees’ rotation is not playoff grade without him. Unlike the Santana and 2008 Sabathia acquisitions, signing Sabathia now costs us no players. The only thing it could block us from doing is signing Teixeira. And while I am a huge fan of signing Teixeira, and think he would be a gigantic upgrade over Swisher (who could easily find a home in the OF instead), Teixeira is a luxury, while Sabathia is almost a necessity.

  38. Tom November 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    S.o.S.,

    good points. Fan’s seem to think that one player can be the savior. I call it Mark Messier syndrome.

    would the Yankees make the playoffs and win a ring with CC, or Teixeira, or Santana? Who knows.

    Right now us fans are praising a player who, when he signed here, seemed to guarantee more championships. The year after that we signed Giambi….Then we traded for Arod and the Big Unit…

  39. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    “As far as HOF talk, its really simple for me. If Schilling gets in, Moose should get in.

    They have had almost identical careers as pitchers. Can’t put one in without the other”

    Hunter’s in and Tiant isn’t. Shouldn’t happen, but it often does.

    I like Smoltz over both of them but think both guys should be in sooner or later.

  40. SJ44 November 20th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    To me, Smoltz is in a class above Moose and Schilling.

    The fact that he also closed, and was dominant in that role, puts him above Moose and Schilling in my mind.

    I agree though, all 3 will get in. Especially when you consider they pitched in the Steroid Era. They will get extra credit points from the writers for succeeding in that era.

  41. MikeEff November 20th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    congratulations Moose for going out on top. as Sinatra said–you did it your way.

    we’ll all miss you

  42. Matt DiBari November 20th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Good for him.

    MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE

  43. Juke Early November 20th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Based on my ability to read & comprehend the material, the above data on Mr. Mussina should be sent to all HOF voters in 2014. To echo some others, looks like HOF stats to me.

  44. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    “Especially when you consider they pitched in the Steroid Era. They will get extra credit points from the writers for succeeding in that era.”

    Voters will likely give them extra credit, but they sholdn’t. More pitchers have been busted for PED’s than batters. Not saying any of these guys were using ‘em, but I can’t definitively say they didn’t. I believe they should be considered within the context of their era, but they don’t deserve any extra credit for it.

  45. pat November 20th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Wonder if Moose will pay a visit on WFAN this afternoon?

  46. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers November 20th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Major League Baseball owners have approved the shift of control of the New York Yankees from George Steinbrenner to his son, Hal.

    http://www.google.com/hostedne.....QD94IQ0980

    ———————————————————

    What? Not to Felix Lopez? :P

  47. jennifer November 20th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    SJ44 and sos. I can proudly say I was one of the ones telling everyone that he would have a productive season, now I never dreamed he would have a 20 win one. But I thought he would do well. I am also glad that anti-mussina dude disappeared, although I strongly suspect he is back under a new handle.

    I am very glad to see everyone giving Mike his due. It must be nice to go out on top.

  48. CB November 20th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Congrats to Moose. What a career. What a year.

    To so radically reinvent himself from a power pitcher to a command-change of speed pitcher was remarkable to watch. Especially after the debacle of last year. High probability he would have pitched very well next year with that reinvevted style of throwing.

    I was hoping he’d come back but this year was a tremendous way to go out. I think yankee fans will always remember him in this form – going out on top. I think it’ll give him a tremendous sense of satisfaction when he looks back on things.

    I must have looked at his stats a million times and I don’t think it ever dawnwed on me that his walk rate was that low. That is truly hidtorically great control – particularly when you think about how he was a power pitcher in his prime and the variety of pitches he threw. To have that kind of command is hard work but also a gift.

    He’ll be missed.

  49. Jeremy November 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    A lot of the “is he HOF” reaction on mlbtraderumors was negative. This surprised me.

    Moose suffers from a few things in a HOF consideration. Besides the obvious (

  50. mel November 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    bodhisattva
    November 20th, 2008 at 11:32 am
    mel
    November 20th, 2008 at 2:12 am
    Why trade Phil? We can fill our holes without him. Even Peavy can be had with out Phil going to SD. Does that mean Phil’s trade value dropped? No, it just means, “no way, no how, not now”.

    Well, I don’t get why people don’t get this: we can fill our holes without dealing him. Sometimes it’s as if people want to get RID of him just to do it.

    BTW: do you know where I can get good lumpia in NYC? It would have to be vegetarian. I had the most astonishing lumpia in Rhode Island years ago. Nothing else they made at this restaurant was any good, but the lumpia was heavenly.

    I’m fairly desperate to have that experience again – I’d gladly ride up the RI if I could repeat it, but that was about 20 years ago and the place is long gone. I’ll go to other boroughs in NY area, or Jersey, if you’ll just point me in the right direction.
    =======================================
    bodhisattva,

    Are you around? How about I just give the recipe? It’s easy to make if you have access to an Asian market. Duh, of course you do. NYC. And it won’t cost $175. :)

  51. Knudsen November 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Moose was a class act. Apart from Randy(ha ha), no one was even close….. other than Andy.

  52. Jeremy November 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Moose suffers from a few things in a HOF consideration. Besides the obvious (

  53. MikeEff November 20th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    one can hope that the HOF fame voters are better informed than most of the commenters at MLB Trade Rumors

  54. Jeremy November 20th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Sorry for all the failed comment attempts!

    A lot of the “is he HOF” reaction on mlbtraderumors was negative. This surprised me.

    Moose suffers from a few things in a HOF consideration. Besides the obvious (under 300 wins, no CY, no rings, “only” one 20 win season), he suffers from a perception problem. Lots of fans, and probably lots of voters, have the view that a player only deserves HOF status if your immediate reaction to hearing his name is “yeah, he’s a HOFer.” In other words, a player is HOF-worthy if he passes a gut-check test.

    Mussina will rarely pass anyone’s version of that test. I’m sure than five years from now we will see plenty of anti-Mussina HOF articles saying stuff like “Opposing teams were never afraid of Mussina,” “batters never trembled at the thought of facing Mussina,” “he was never an intimidator like Clemens or Randy Johnson,” “he never had a legendary playoff moment like Schilling’s bloody sock game,” and so on.

    To paraphrase from an old Bill Simmons article, he’s kind of like the Wade Boggs of pitching. Consistently great, but not scary great.

    Mussina will make it into the HOF, but it will take a few years to compensate for the gut-check factor.

  55. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Ouch!

    The World Champs got some bad news. Utley out 4-6 months with hip surgery. He could miss 1/3 of the ’09 season.

  56. Bronx Jeers November 20th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    From previous post:

    “I wonder if Moose has a 1961 Ferrari 250 GT California in his collection – so choice, if you have the means I highly suggest picking one up –”

    Nice FBDO reference. It took a couple of seconds to register. At first I just thought you were being a schmuck.

    WWMD = What Would Moose Do? Learn it -Live by it!

  57. gayle November 20th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    With regard to Hank being approved by MLB as controlling owner. Does MLB have a rule that it cannot be shared? after all the talk about the “sons” having equal control this vote makes it seem that to be not the case.

    I think we all know that Hal is the real brains behind everything and Hank the mouth but to have MLB vote this way seems a bit odd if they were always saying they jointly have control.

  58. Bret the Hitman November 20th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Moose is a class act and he will be missed. He really showed pin-point control in 2008. To duplicate that task would’ve been very tough for him. I thought he might take a three year deal in the NL but he’s in the HOF in my book.

    It will be interesting to see if the Yankees retain Pettitte for one year. I think they have to. You need at least one grizzly ole vet on the staff so I think this means Andy is almost a lock to come back.

    The Yankees should offer him a low-base contract of maybe 10 mil per with incentives bringing it up to par with his contract last year.

  59. pat November 20th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Can we now stop getting daily affirmations from Hank?

  60. mel November 20th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    gayle,

    They had to grapple for it and Hal won. Hank was out of shape and got penalized a point for touching Hal’s hair.

  61. jimmy27 November 20th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Bronx Jeers
    I assure you I was not being snooty or snotty.
    Such a good movie.
    Save Ferris!

  62. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 20th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    BREAKING NEWS

    Hal Steinbreinner has been named the sole owner of the Yankees it’s on the bottom line.

  63. mel November 20th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Reading the article further, Hal actually tapped out. He thought that meant he could tap the ashes and didn’t realize that tapping out meant losing.

  64. CB November 20th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    How the game is understood and evaluated continues to change.

    This evolution is going to make it apparent over time how good moose was.

    By 2014 writers will look at the game differently than the traditional voting criteria.

    Moose will get in the hall comfortably. Might not be the first year. But he’ll get in and it’s not going to be a sqeeker.

    Said this yesterday – big questio is orioles cap or yankees?

  65. pat November 20th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Wonder if there has been a change in George’s health that made this announcement necessary or if it was just time in the normal course of business?

  66. Alex November 20th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE.

    I’ll miss him. And the Moose call.

    Pete, you should post the conference call audio on here.

  67. Tom November 20th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    NEW YORK (AP) — Major League Baseball owners have approved the shift of control of the New York Yankees from George Steinbrenner to his son, Hal.

    The owners approved the change Thursday. Hal Steinbrenner and his brother, Hank, took over most of the daily operation of the Yankees from their father last fall. George Steinbrenner bought the Yankees in 1973 and became one of the most high-profile owners in all of sports.

    http://www.google.com/hostedne.....QD94IQ63O2
    Hal Steinbrenner calls his father “a tough act to follow.”

  68. jennifer November 20th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Conference call at 4pm. Mike hopes to get Mike on air shortly after.

    Now how am I supposed to get any work done than? :lol:

  69. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers November 20th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    “It was reported in 2007 that Yankee insiders nicknamed him “Prince Hal”.”

    http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/p.....geId=3.2.1

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    So..should we now call him King Hal?

  70. Jeff NJ November 20th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Let’s not forget, Moose pitched his entire career in the AL East. I can’t think of any other modern pitcher who can make that claim. Not that I’m objective, I’m a big fan of his, but I think he should make the hall.

    Of course I think as compared to Kirby Puckett, either Mattingly or Bernie Williams should be in as well. All 3 had similar stats. People say no to Mattingly since he didn’t have the championships that Puckett had, but Bernie has the rings, so we’ll see in a few years.

  71. jennifer November 20th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Pete ask Mike O’s cap or Yankee cap.

  72. bigjf November 20th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    There’s a conference call at 4pm, you covering that Pete? Can we please get audio?

  73. Chris NY November 20th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    I vote Yankees, obviously. O’s probably win out though. But the numbers are close, so who knows.

  74. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    “Said this yesterday – big questio is orioles cap or yankees?”

    Saw that query yesterday and replied with numbers that suggests it should probably be the O’s based on sheer accomplishment.

  75. mel November 20th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    The Japan League is upset about the Tazawa deal in the states, but they’re snapping up all our “stud” pitching.

    The Rangers sold the rights for Kameron Lowe to a Japanese team.

  76. Jeff NJ November 20th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    I think players lost the ability to choose their caps a few years ago. Bigger question is still if he gets in.

  77. Chris NY November 20th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    They don’t choose, but it’d be interesting to see which one Moose would want to go in wearing. I doubt he’d say one way or the other.

  78. j2 November 20th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Gayle,

    Yes, got it–and thanks!

  79. Bronx Jeers November 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    This is from the Hall of Fame:

    The choice of which team’s logo appears on a player’s plaque is the Museum’s decision, though we always consider the wishes of an inductee. As a history museum and as such, it’s important that the logo be emblematic of the historical accomplishments of that player’s career. A player’s election to the Hall of Fame is a career achievement, and as such, every team for whom he played is listed on the plaque; however, the logo selection is based on where that player makes his most indelible mark.

  80. Mrs. Kekich November 20th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    “Of course I think as compared to Kirby Puckett, either Mattingly or Bernie Williams should be in as well.”

    I agree Mattingly should be in based on this – for 4 or 5 years he was the best hitter in the game. He dominated. But career stats is all the geeks look at these days. In football, Terrell Davis dominated for 4 or 5 years. But people say Curtis martin is better. Hmmm.

    Unfortunately, being very good for a long time counts more than dominating. I mean, who would you have rather had in 1985 or 86 – Mattingly or Paul Molitor. It’s the Hall of FAME. People like Jim Kaat had nice careers but don’t belong.

  81. Mrs. Kekich November 20th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    “They don’t choose, but it’d be interesting to see which one Moose would want to go in wearing. I doubt he’d say one way or the other.”

    Tough call. Had his best years with the orioles but the Yankees paid him more money. It should be the Orioles. They developed him. Yankees just paid him.

  82. RonH November 20th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Best of luck Moose. Thanks for the memories. Enjoy the family time!

  83. Dassit November 20th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Thank you Moose! Enjoy the flagpole.

  84. jimmy27 November 20th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Moose on with Francesca after the conference call

  85. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    From MLBTR:

    “Stark believes that the Brewers were not thrilled with the Yankees’ “overbid” for C.C. Sabathia, and therefore would prefer not to trade Mike Cameron to them. Dan Graziano wrote yesterday about the Yanks’ conversations for Cameron.”

    Seriously? Are GM’s 4 year olds? Or is this Stark going all George King on us?

  86. Brian Cashman's Conscious November 20th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Thank you Wade Boggs for ruining the choice of HOF team uniform for everyone.

  87. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    “Moose on with Francesca after the conference call”

    Over/Under on moronic questions is set at 4.5

  88. MikeEff November 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    francessa now back-pedaling — he finally begins to understand the importance of moose’s win %..

  89. jennifer November 20th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Why is Curt a hall of famer and Mussina not? Please explain that to me Mike? Don’t give him the no WS garbage. Mike was 2 outs away from winning the WS.

  90. jennifer November 20th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Never higher than 3rd in CY young voting???? and this is the fool we are listening to? He was runner up in 1999.

  91. Brian Cashman's Conscious November 20th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    And Mussina has something like 50-60 more wins than Curt.

  92. Trevor November 20th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Francesa says Schilling’s post season’s will get him in HOF.

  93. the shining November 20th, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Yea moose! the single he got this past season should secure him to cooperstown

  94. John November 20th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Mussina should definitely go in with an Orioles cap. Look at his Yankee career -

    2001 – 3.15 ERA
    2002 – 4.05 ERA
    2003 – 3.40 ERA
    2004 – 4.59 ERA
    2005 – 4.41 ERA
    2006 – 3.51 ERA
    2007 – 5.15 ERA
    2008 – 3.37 ERA

    Overall ERA of just under 4 for his Yankee tenure (3.95).

    3.50 ERA in his 10 years in Baltimore.

  95. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    “Francesa says Schilling’s post season’s will get him in HOF.”

    He’s probably right. Schilling’s is one of the top 3-4 postseason resume’s ever posted by a pitcher.

  96. Ajay November 20th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    I am glad Mussina is going out on his terms however I don’t understand why people are going to miss him so much?Granted he was a solid pitcher in a rough AL East I can’t help but remember the playoffs Mike Mussina.Regular seasons he was good but come playoff time this is the same guy that went 5-7 for us with close to a 4 era in the postseason. Maybe everyone else was watching a different Mike Mussina.

  97. jimmy27 November 20th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    It seems that the press (Michael Kay notwithstanding) liked Moose.

    I get the impression that Schilling was not liked by anyone.

    Does the personality come into the voting? I think it could work in Mooses favor.

  98. West Coast Guy November 20th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Graziano continues to raise the Cameron card. .Cameron has slipped considerably as a defensive centerfielder during the past year or so. He no longer goes back well on the ball and does not hit the gap at the proper angle. I have watched a number of Brewer games this past season and observed a consistent pattern to that end. In 2007, when with the Padres, he also had declined from his earlier years when he had been an excellent centerfielder. Given his propensity to strike out quite a bit and hit, at best, around .250, I see no upside in acquiring Cameron, other than his close relationship with CC(which developed in July — – — so not particularly one of long-standing). Hopefully, this will not come to pass.

  99. West Coast Guy November 20th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Schilling is perhaps the most obnoxious player in baseball…. perfectly suitable for a Red Sox uniform.

  100. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    “Don’t give him the no WS garbage. Mike was 2 outs away from winning the WS.”

    The issue isn’t whether he was on a WS winning team, but rather his own performance in those spots. His ’01 Series was fair at best as he was twice outpitched (once by Schilling himself).

    That said, Mussina’s overall postseason resume is solid. It’s nowhere near the class of Schilling’s or Smoltz’s, but it’s pretty damn good and features him coming up pretty big in some tough spots on more than one occasion.

  101. Paulie November 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    No, you’re exactly right, Ajay.

  102. Paulie November 20th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Maybe they delayed the singing of the National Anthem on all his postseason starts, so he was off his game a little bit?

  103. pat November 20th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Moose was not a strike but doesn’t 7 Gold Gloves make up for that?

  104. West Coast Guy November 20th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    More on Cameron … his hand to eye coordination has likewise diminished. In an attempt to secure the ball, he often demonstrates “Johnny Damon hands”.

  105. Timmy Lupus November 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Fredo,

    I’d say Moose pitched very well in his limited WS apperances. Game 1 of the 2001 series was his only stinker in his 3 starts. In game 5 he went 8 innings, and gave up 2 runs. In 2003 he went 7 innings, and gave up a run to beat Beckett. He wasn’t a Yankee at the time, but his run in the 1997 post season has to rank up there all time. He stuck out 41 batters in 29 innings, and put up a 1.24 ERA between the ALDS, and CS. He wasn’t Smoltz like overall, but he certainly had his moments.

  106. Chris NY November 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    “They developed him. Yankees just paid him.”

    Has nothing to do with who developed him. If he came up with Baltimore and was traded after he played 1 game in the majors, then started for the Yankees for 18 seasons, would you think he should go in as an Oriole?

    It has to do with where he earned his place in the hall. Or in this case, where he earned it more. As the the excerpt from the Hall of Fame says above “where that player makes his most indelible mark.” So, it’s the hat people remember them in because that’s where they had the most success. With Moose, it’s a tough call, but it would seem like Baltimore has a slight edge. But the majority of his playoff experience came here, and he finished strong here (freshest in everyone’s mind)…. so it could probably go either way.

  107. pat November 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    a strike but = a strike out pitcher but

  108. Fredo Corleone November 20th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    “Moose was not a strike but doesn’t 7 Gold Gloves make up for that?”

    Gold Glove awards have become so bogus that it’s value has diminished even for those who actually deserve one. Not sure how much, if at all, HOF voters would give consideration to it. Don’t think he really needs it though.

  109. rover November 20th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    One thing about the Moose, even last year. I never felt like we werent’going to win with Moose on the mound. You knew each and every time,you were in a position to win.
    I find it distasteful that any player could fail to reach the hall based on rings. It is a team game and you win and lose as a team. Clearly no one player deserving personally should be snubbed due to failures as a team. It is not about great team as much as great individual effort. In that light Moose should be there. In my book the man has the credentials.

  110. bigjf November 20th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Francesa also happens to think Mussina’s best counterpart is Guidry, and since Guidry isn’t in he thinks Mussina shouldn’t be. Moose pitched 4 more seasons and has 100 more wins than Guidry. Not to take anything away from Guidry because his numbers are impressive, but while Mussina’s ERA is slightly higher over his career, it’s not too high to cancel out his extra wins. Not as good a comparison as some might think.

  111. jennifer November 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Mike is begining to see the light. Moose for the HALL.

  112. Timmy Lupus November 20th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    bigjf,

    Moose’s career ERA is higher, but his ERA+ is better. That’s the only way to compare pitchers from different eras.

  113. bigjf November 20th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    I agree, Timmy. Forgot to mention that.

  114. Kevin November 20th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    How could you read that release and still not agree Moose is a hall of famer? It’s not even close, when you really sit down and look at the numbers and the names he’s with.

  115. TIF November 20th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Thank you Mussina.
    Many thanks for every pitch you made in these years.

  116. VT Yankeefan November 20th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Pitchers with the best win differential since World War II:

    R Clemens 170
    R Johnson 135
    W Ford 130
    G Maddux 128
    W Spahn 118
    M Mussina 117

  117. beanietown November 20th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    II Hope Mike Mussina Takes An Announcers Job With the New York Yankees.

    I know he is highly educated and well spoken. I believe he would provide commentary as well as or even better than Flaherty and Singleton.

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